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Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt on the role that his state would be willing to play in helping the Trump administration with the law and order policy of deportations.We'll discuss that.
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why would biden we haven't discussed this yet on the show why would biden approve and first of all that biden is approving anything plays a problem like we all understand this right that biden's judgment on matters of truly war and peace is something that we are still subject to considering even democrats admit he's got cognitive issues very polite way of saying it has got in a senility dementia
uh... it just seems like an outrage to me but anyway he is still technically the commander-in-chief will certainly get a reminder of that when he pardons hunter coming up here in just a matter of weeks uh... and he has said that that ukraine is authorized now to use u s long-range missiles to strike inside of russia
that that seems like something that the russians are gonna pay attention to and not react favorably to will discuss with bridge why that is also uh... just uh... just for fun will get back to the backlash
to the morning joe backwards walking as in going towards donald trump the democrats as much as we found it hilarious and pathetic a lot of left wingers or outrage that you could go from he's hitler to maybe we should have a cappuccino in like ten days you know i think people recognize that is that's a little you know i mean
like uh... you know i i i've got brothers occasion my brothers and i will argue about something but it never goes to your hitler you know like there's something weird going on here uh... anyway will discuss that because i think that's also indicative of where the uh... where the media is falling apart right now they don't know where to go they're having more and more
Actual conservatives on CNN, they have asked me to go on.I don't know.Should I go on, Clay?I'm thinking about it.
My question for you, first of all, yes, I think it would be great advertising for the show.I think it'd be good for you as the book release eventually gets closer and closer.
My question for you about you going on CNN is, are you required to travel to New York to sit in studio, or can you do it remotely as a guest?Like, how does that process play out? I'd have to ask, I'd have to find out.
I'll let you know.I'll start, I'll respond to their very polite inquiries and say, what are we really talking about here?
Because if it's going to be for- I do think that's indicative of the major vibe shift that is underway though, Buck.I mean, there is a full on panic inside of CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post about what do we do for the next four years?
And they want more voices of rationality, which I take as a good sign, at least at a minimum.
I mean, I made when I was doing solo radio play, I was very open, especially during the COVID years, COVID era, about my disdain for the way that Jeff Zucker ran that entity.
And I openly made fun of him and pointed out that the only reason Brian Stelter had a show was because he looked kind of like Jeff Zucker.So he figured, well, that guy's super handsome.Like, I'm shocked.
I used to trash CNN like there's no tomorrow, and now they're like, hey, look, if they want to be reasonable, they want to have a conversation.I'm reasonable.
They weren't being reasonable, so I was giving it to them on the rough side of things, but we'll see.Maybe they're going to have a change of heart, although I very much doubt it.You don't have to send me the emails like, they're not changing.
I know, I know, but maybe we can slap them around a little bit.Clay, the big fights, though, right now in a way, we also have some criminal justice stuff.
to get to with the knife-wielding madman who stabbed three, killed two in New York City, right in Midtown.We've got some of our team in Midtown.The Daniel Penney trial, the defense is now putting forward their case.The prosecution has rested.
That's certainly a discussion to have.The fights over confirmation and deportation, those are the two big things right now.Getting ready for the deportation surge and getting Trump's people in place through confirmation, we'll talk about that.
I'm seeing more over Matt and you know people have just like Berenson came on clay and he said oh no RFK jr.
Is more upsetting to the machine than gates I Think gates has got them more upset actually I think gates is the one that's getting the most attention We'll get into this and maybe a good way to start this clay is the the hush money case remember that in New York City
so today judge merchant and decided that they are going to in they're going to uh... indefinitely adjourn without discount without setting when the sentencing will be because judge merchant has to take into account
how the supreme court's ruling on immunity factors into trump's prosecution uh... i don't think they're ever even going to get to sentencing on this clay i think this case is dead which brings up a whole bunch of other issues like you prosecuted a president for the first time ever for felonies that were such a joke that even after you got a preposterous conviction you're not going to see it through
Yeah, this, I think we predicted that this would happen.You've already seen it happened even quicker than I anticipated that Jack Smith said, hey, this case is federally are done.
But until you are sentenced, the conviction doesn't really officially exist.
And so I think the Trump felony convictions that Alvin Bragg got in New York, I mean, I said this a while ago, putting my lawyer hat on, that the implications of the Supreme Court presidential power ruling had to implicate state court cases as well.
And I understand sometimes this gets a little bit into the weeds, but there's the federal cases, which was South Florida, which has been dismissed. Washington D.C.with Jack Smith has now moved to dismiss, basically ending both of those cases.
And then you had Georgia with Fannie Willis, which was a state of Georgia prosecution, Fulton County, Atlanta area.And then you had New York City, which was a state of New York prosecution.
General rule, again, there are exceptions, but general rule is federal law trumps, that is, takes over any state law.
And so if there is no federal case that can be brought against Trump because of presidential powers, presidential immunity as it pertains to the use of presidential powers,
that has to also apply to state law because otherwise you would just pursue the president under state law when you could not do it under federal law which again conflicts with the superseding power of federal law over state law when there's a conflict again that's going into the weeds a little bit
but this case is done and the Georgia case is done and I don't know exactly how they're all going to be rolled up but Buck what it ultimately represents is what we told this audience for years and what all of you suspected this was all political.
This was nothing other than a political hit job that they thought would weaken Trump.
And we didn't talk about it a lot in the wake of the election, but one of the most impactful parts of Trump winning two weeks ago today was it ended, I think, this argument of, oh, there's a political benefit to trying to put your chief political adversary in prison and or bankrupt him.
Now the American public has voted overwhelmingly and said no to this.
And I think that's an incredibly important result because it upends what had been an attempt to invalidate nearly 250 years of the way that we did races in the United States, which was we won or lost, we didn't try to put our chief political rival in prison for the rest of his or her life.
If you're going to break that barrier of prosecuting somebody who is a major party nominee, I mean, it better damn well be for something serious that you know happened.You know what I mean?Look, I've got friends who are prosecutors.
You've got friends who are prosecutors.They'll tell you.I mean, especially if you're talking like on the federal side.
in a ninety seven or ninety eight percent of people plea and like ninety six or ninety seven percent of people that bring charges against they will say are guilty they've got it is very unusual in their minds i'm not saying it never happens there are people who are falsely uh... prosecuted i get it but overwhelmingly
did the decision to prosecute itself uh... should be it's a slam dunk right and so to bring this case against donald trump when he's the republican nominee and a former president both on such a flimsy charge
and ignoring some of the or surrounding legal realities of a form of a former president and what that means as a as a matter of law with the supreme court weighing in you know it's like we've said if donald trump after the electorate of donald trump at the end of his term or something had gotten drunk driving in a car and ran over five people
Yeah, I don't want to hear, he's the commander in chief, like he's, you know, you did the crime, you did the time, I get it, like you shouldn't be above the law in that way, you would be subject to state law there and you'd be able to be prosecuted after the fact, there's no statute of limitations on murder, or after your term I mean, but to go after him on a business
records charge, and by the way, there are some people who would just, you know, point out you can't prosecute a president while he's in office, period, I get it, but to go after somebody on a business records charge, Clay, and then to stack it 34 times, so it's 34 felonies, Alvin Bragg is, what he has done to the law is just despicable.
There are two other elements of this case that, again, I have been hammering for years now on this program, but one buck, it's outside the statute of limitations.So they went back in time a substantial amount.
Remember, this all happened in like 2017.So, I mean, you're going way back in time.Second part of this is they elevated
what should have been a misdemeanor to a felony based on an untested legal strategy that I think was on its base in appeal going to be overturned, but leave aside the sort of new angled approach without precedent that they tried to elevate the misdemeanor to a felony.
overwhelmingly in new york city they are reducing felonies to misdemeanors that is in this era of going soft on crime they actually overwhelmingly are treating legitimate felonies as misdemeanors here they took at bottom a misdemeanor and tried to elevate it to a felony which is occurring almost nowhere anywhere right now in the state of new york
It was a harebrained legal scheme that has come up snake eyes.And as a result, you are going to see it all just vanish and they're going to pretend it never happened.
well this is where uh... i understand a lot of the uh... support for matt gates look matt gates says of it is a lot of things but i want to use as is he's absolutely not guilty of any of these things that are being alleged about him that he has never been indicted for not even died nevermind convicted
and for them to use the allegations and to use innuendo and things that are unproven and even unindicted.Not that indicted necessarily means you're guilty, but usually that's a step the government takes when you do something that's very criminal.
You need somebody, Clay, I think, to look at this now who is angry about it.
back on the way you and i feel about covid you need someone to look at the abuse of the law as a political weapon not who says i will make it stop that just means you're not going to do it yourself you need somebody who will go in there and say i will punish those who are seeking to use the law as a weapon of politics to ruin people's lives
which is what they are doing, which is what they have tried to do with Donald Trump.
They wanted to lock Trump up in prison, make no mistake about it, and if he didn't win that election and the American people did not speak so forcefully on his behalf, we'd be in a very different place right now.
No doubt.We'll take your calls.We'll react to that.As Buck said, we've got the governor of Oklahoma joining us, Bridge Colby.A couple of guests in the second hour headed your way.Also, Buck, more Trump dancing.
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Welcome back in.Clay, Travis, Buck, Sexton Show.Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program.I had to think for a minute what day of the week it is, Buck.I'm out in L.A.
Time zone's a lot different, but the vibe in L.A.is very similar to the vibe in much of the rest of the country, Buck.A couple of things here.First, only 93% of California votes have been counted. Two weeks ago, we had the election.
45 minutes after polls closed in Florida, we knew the full result.So for anybody out there who says, well, California is a big state, it's hard to manage a big state, BS, just copy what Florida did.
Regardless of your politics, Democrat, Republican, Independent, no matter how you vote, I think we should all be able to agree that two weeks of counting votes is unacceptable.I understand California is not a swing state.
And so people say, well, Democrats are going to win California no matter what.Well, there's lots of congressional seats that are still held up.We don't know what the overall margin in the House is going to be.This is flat out unacceptable.
It must be fixed.I will say, Buck, I flew out to California yesterday after our show. there is a major vibe shift that has taken place.40% of Californians roughly are going to vote Trump.
So there are tons of Trump voters listening to us right now in California.You and I have talked about how we are fans of the state of California, a beautiful place.
I hate to see what Democrats have done to cities like LA, San Francisco, places that are just fabulous and should be incredible to live.
But I will say that there are a lot of Trump supporters coming out of the woods on my airplane flight last night, when I went to get something to eat last night at the hotel.People coming up and just saying, hey, Trump won.
Thank you for what you and Buck do.Thank you for what you do at OutKick. on a level that I've never seen before, Buck.And I've been traveling out to LA for work a lot, because Fox Sports is based out here.
For now, better part of 11 years, I think I know the LA area pretty well.I've spent more time here than anywhere other than Nashville.
And it is palpable, the feeling that things have changed in a major way, even in a place like LA, that has a left-leaning bent to it People are feeling the change and the result is real and it's fabulous.
And I bet you're in Miami, which now is a deep red city, which is kind of crazy to say.
Uh, but I bet buck the next time you're in New York city, you're going to pick up on a different vibe, even in New York city than maybe what you have seen, certainly after 2016 and in the past.
indeed in fact i'll be in new york city to see my family for thanksgiving next week so hopefully i'll pick up on that vibe and uh... i'll be speaking to the uh... metropolitan republican club all good for you know you go on tuesday go to the metropolitan republican club website go check it out tuesday evening w or listeners i hope you come out in full force
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We got three rails of business, Lawrence.First of all, we got to secure the border.We know how to do that.We've done it before.Second of all, we need to run this deportation operations.The president's been clear.
We're going to, out of the gate, we're going to focus on public safety threats and national security threats first.
And fugitives, those who crossed the border illegally, had great due process, a great taxpayer expense, were ordered removed by an immigration judge. They didn't leave.They're also a priority.
And third rail, we gotta find over 300,000 children that were released into this country to so-called sponsors that the government can't find.We also gotta find them children and try to save them.
All right, that's Tom Holman, the border czar.Unlike Kamala, a real border czar, as in he's going to do things to make the border better.Tom is one of my favorite picks.
I've known Tom and talked to him about border issues for years, really stretching back to Trump term one, 2017, 2018. Tom is very high on my list of all-stars.If Trump had said to me, Clay, Buck, who would you put in?
I mean, I might have put him at the head of DHS, but okay, who would you make the borders are?Tom Holman would be the first name that comes to mind.
uh... so he's the right guy for the job and what he's doing here is laying out this is gonna be so important clay they're going to tell everyone that this is monstrous and cruel and they're deporting grandmas who have been here for forty years that's actually not what the trump operation is going to be in the first year and maybe ever it depends on how all this goes
But what they're doing right out of the gate is, and this is so important, they always say, what about the dreamers?And what about the hardworking people who've been here for 20 years?Then everyone goes, OK, I want to be kind.
The kindness on the right is always used as a political weapon against us, right?You're like, of course.I get it.That's a little bit harder for people.And I understand that.Now, for some of you, it's not hard.You want everyone illegal to go.
And I get that, too.The law is supposed to matter, right?The law is the law. When they're talking about deporting, the number, Clay, is something like 1.4 million criminal illegal aliens.
And that modifier, that adjective there is so important because I'm not just talking about people that are not allowed to be in the country.
We're talking about people who have been in this country, who have committed a crime, usually a state, sometimes a federal, but usually a state crime, who are now supposed to be deported.
yeah they're just playing this this game of you know hide-and-seek they can't so there is no reasonable basis to oppose the deportation of all one point four one point five million of those who are in the country illegally with a with a deportation order on them already
And those who are in the country who have a serious criminal history who just came across our border unvetted.I mean, that's the category they're going after.
We have to we have to make sure everyone knows this because it's going to turn into AOC fake crying at the border again really soon.You remember that?Oh, yeah.You know, the all white outfit on the ice like.Yeah.
Here's what I think we need to do.We've got to get our arguments lined up.Barack Obama deported a massive number of people during his term in office.
And almost no one is even aware of that because everybody has a goldfish memory in this social media era in which we live.What do I mean by that?Goldfish don't remember anything.
So it's like you're blinking and then something new happens and you decide that it's the worst thing that's ever occurred.Obama deported, I believe, team in New York, look up the numbers.
I believe Obama deported over a million people during his time in office, Buck.
and nobody talks about it and uh... and and those are significant so i think you need to have those numbers ready as a talking point that what we're doing now in the trump administration historically is not an aberration at all in fact Barack St.
Obama, who everybody wants to claim is the greatest human being who's ever been president in history, just a decade ago, it was very normal to deport.The other thing is, Buck, they have to be very calculated in the people that they start with.
they have to make the case we are removing people who are clear lawbreakers that are most likely to commit crimes of violence against innocent people in the United States and we have to make that case aggressively because I do think what you're going to see
is a lot of governors are going to decide that the way they become the nominee in 2028 in an open Democrat primary is by branding themselves as the anti-Trump.So I think you're going to see Gretchen Whitmer.I think you're going to see JB Pritzker.
I think you're going to see Josh Shapiro.I think you're going to see all of these governors who have aspirations to be the Democrat nominee in 2028, Gavin Newsom, line up against Trump
and try to be the most fervently anti-Trump as possible, not because they think it's the right decision for their state, it's not, but because they think it's the right decision for their political future.Prepare yourselves for it.
Tom Homan also made mention, Clay, of what he can see coming, which is the hashtag resistance, if you will, from blue cities and blue states, sanctuary jurisdictions.They're sanctuary cities, they're sanctuary states, effectively.
they play this game right they only do this with immigration that you will never i work it's on the call the high-intensity drug trafficking area facility in new york okay that was where the counter-terrorism you know the m y p d was based at that time we had the a bit we had the a there we had ice there we had and why pb obviously which is the body that i was assigned to uh... you you and you and f b i nearby or or you're sitting nearby it all work together and nobody was ever like hey
can it can help you with that like cartel assassin thing like that's that's more federal than state like if the feds ask for help or if the state they were working together the only place i've ever seen this breakdown and law enforcement listeners let me know if there's something else the only place you ever see this is on illegal immigration where all of a sudden local law enforcement is told under orders
do not help and in even go beyond that don't even notify right so they'll have somebody in custody who's in a legal who's committed a crime and they'll release them pending and instead of saying hey eyes we got this guy who's just been arrested for sexual assault uh... you know you want to come pick them up they let him out and they don't want to tell ice tom homan is saying
blue cities and states you don't want to get in the way of the mission here from the federal side play this cut three uh... play this what happens to a mayor or local police department chief that is under democratic leadership that obstructs ICE in your federal agents that are helping get these deportations what happens to them
Well, first of all, if they don't want to help us get the hell out of the way, we're going to do it.If I got to send twice the amount of resources to that city, that's what we're going to do.
If they would give us access to the jail, that would mean less agents in the community.For them to push them back and not let us in the jail, it just means more agents are going to be in the community, so they're hurting themselves.
Finally, I'll say this.They need to educate themselves.They need to review this.Title 8, United States Code 1324-III.Read about that and don't cross that line, because it is a felony to harbor and conceal an illegal alien from ICE.Read the statute.
He's talking about harboring now and aiding Clay.This is, he's saying, this is, people have gotten so used to illegal immigration being this area of law where
it doesn't really count you know i mean but here's one clay do you know that you're not allowed to be in the country as as an immigrant and be a public charge that's actually against federal co that's against federal statute how many immigrants are getting welfare benefits and things like that it is it is absolutely forbidden under federal law he's saying aiding and abetting a fugitive from ice
This isn't something they're going to forget anymore.So this state, local law enforcement and federal law enforcement issue could get very real here because you've got these woke, lunatic governors and mayors.
Buck, here's the number, by the way, and I think this is going to stagger a lot of people because I think it speaks to how dishonest our politics have become.
According to the New York Times, three million people were deported by Barack Obama during his two terms in office.Three million.
So for everybody out there who's going to act, and again, this is important, we have to mobilize the narrative to make people understand that what Trump is doing is actually just something that was not even considered remotely controversial in the grand scheme of things during Obama's term in office.
In fact, Barack Obama deported more people than any president ever, has in the history of the country.
It was very clever though, I mean the whole, remember he did the, he was the deporter-in-chief going into the 2012 midterms and then when he won re-election the whole, term one for Obama was Obamacare and we are still living with the consequences of that decision.
Term two was supposed to be amnesty.
and the way that they thought they could get to amnesty was to deport people while pushing republicans on the gang of eight bill and getting republicans to go along and there are bad republicans on immigration there are lots of them actually look at uh...
Was it Langford in Oklahoma who tried to work with Biden right at the end of his term to put through a crap bill?It's embarrassing, honestly.
Embarrassing stuff.There are Republicans who are dictated to by the Chamber of Commerce, by big business, by the donor class, who like illegal immigration.That's a reality.
but clay it what what's so interesting here uh... and you know i'd give and colter credit for this for example the immigration issue she's always saying no no no there are laws already that need to be used that will help with this issue massively they just choose not to use them tom holman knows what those laws are
tom holman knows that the decision to ignore federal statute is not the same thing as a racing federal statute so there are a lot of tools at his disposal this time around uh... to do things because up and i just i mean this is where i want to know who you're not in the country legally and you're committing crimes here
you know and you're and you're supposed to be able to stay that is a that is a national suicide pact over the long run that is completely outside the realm of the same
Totally.And again, I just want everybody to prepare for the fight that is coming and recognize how outrageous the arguments against it are going to be.But you're right, Buck.AOC is going to put on her all-white outfit.
The media is going to follow her.She's going to start to cry by a chain-link fence.They're going to find
the one four-year-old who gets separated from his dad or his mom uh and they're going to turn that into an anecdote reflective of a policy that is not actually representative right but they're going to find it it'll go viral on social media prepare yourselves for where this is coming also buck this is also hugely important
The message is important too, because as soon as you start deporting millions of people, everybody that's coming here illegally is gonna say, wait a minute, is that trip worth it?
When you're telling them, we're never gonna deport you, that's why 10 million plus illegals came in.It's not just about sending people back, it's about stopping the flow that exists right now.
It changes the incentive dramatically, right?It changes the incentive for especially,
how the immigration issue the illegal immigration issue has changed where clay it used to be can you walk here so that was mexico some countries to the south of mexico the people showing up at the border are paying to fly from pakistan from yemen from uh
all over southeast asia and west africa and you name it like if it's a poor country basically people are coming here from there but they're flying to sometimes uh you know a country that has very easy passport controls in south america they go up through the darien gap in central america they make their way up in uh past uh you know through mexico pay the cartels in mexico that's a lot of effort and money to spend if you're not
really sure that you're going to be able to stay so uh... home is the guy for the job this is a single this is uh... you know this and the and their government efficiency i think is kinda make a break for the trump administration agenda gotta be honest with you and and i know that setting a high standard because economy's gonna be great you know things in the better national security but this is really going to be the determining factor for year one how's it going we'll get back in this take some your calls on it as well
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uh... so thank you again for all the support there playa heather uh... texted us i should say uh... tweeted or i don't know what you say when someone i think it's still a tweet right here tweaked it because it can't be posted at us that's weird on acts a claim but look up clinton's deportation record obama does not have the highest deportation number uh... heather i think in the aggregate still brock obama over the eight years did have the most
over eight years i think uh... bill clinton was more like a uh... a million over his eight years but here's the thing it used to be adult male overwhelmingly mexican this is just by the data okay adult male mexicans illegally crossing and a lot of time play a legally going back as they were coming into the country seasonally to make money it was intact somebody who is coming here from me and more is planning to stay forever
Correct.That's the biggest change that I think has not been discussed enough, is when you're coming from all over the world, and what's the number?180 countries, I think-ish, that people have crossed illegally our southern border.
And to your point, Buck, when you're crossing the Darien Gap and you're coming all the way from Venezuela or you're coming all the way from Southern Latin America, you're not moving into the country to work seasonally and then go back and live your life primarily in Mexico, as was the historic immigration patterns for much of American history.
You're talking about people who are coming now and never leaving.
And the other part of this that we have to have a conversation about is Trump has to, I believe, come out and say, if you're here illegally, your child does not become an American citizen.
Why should we reward illegal behavior with American citizenship?
And just to get back to these numbers real quick, because people are going to say, wait, but but it's it's is a turn away a deportation.Sometimes they count that depending on the administration is yes.So stop at the border.Is that a deportation?
Are we talking interior deportations?So there's a lot of ways to crunch the numbers.But Biden didn't deport almost anyone.
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