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God bless football, Mikey, eh? God bless football, Billy.Here we are.It's Friday.Big win for the Jets yesterday over the Houston Texans.We were talking a moment ago before we started recording.
Not a good day for the people that fell for the trap of saying the Jets are favored in this.I'm going to take them.
That'd be me.I fell for that trap.Early in the week, I saw Jets minus one.Give me the Texans.Give them to me twice.And yeah.
So we discussed it yesterday on pregame power up on DraftKings Network with Trey Wingo.If the Jets win this game over the Texans, are you back in on the Jets?By the way, we are presented by Smirnoff, the world's number one vodka.
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But Mikey, I'll ask you now that the game has been played, because coming into it, you said if the Jets win, I'm definitely not back on the Jets and believing that they're going to make the playoffs, believing that they're going to go far in this.
But now that it's happened, you're back, right?
I'm still out, but I'm fighting it more than I thought I would be.I'm fighting that urge to be like, you know, they really can go on a run here, because they can't go on a run.I said before, I was like, this is the game the Jets win.
This is the game.They have no business beating the Houston Texans.The Houston Texans are a great team.They were what, six and two coming in, and the Jets have no business winning.But here we are, and I'm fighting myself not to go back.
I don't want to do Jets schedule talk because I feel like that's where this goes.But Cardinals, Colts, like you get right back in this.
Listen, Joe Flacco is good.Joe Flacco is good.
That is true.Joe Flacco starting over Anthony Richardson against your team isn't what you want to see, which is crazy to say as a sentence out loud.But I feel like that's where we are.Also, CJ Stroud, sophomore slump.
I need to ask you a question about the Garrett Wilson catch because I am a Jets fan.I see it and I go, that's one of the best catches I've ever seen.But is it one of the best catches or am I just, do I have Jets blinders on?
Like I put it up there with the Odell Beckham one.
It was an incredible athletic catch.It was a great play.However, By the rules, I don't understand how George Pickens catch was not a catch.And that is a catch.Like the foot comes down.
Then we say the shin is down, but you know, the shin is connected to the leg and the leg keeps rolling.And then the leg goes out of bounds before the knee comes down.
And like, if the back of your foot, like the heel of your foot goes down and then the front of your foot touches out of bounds, you're out.So like, I don't understand what a catch is in the NFL anymore.
But it was great, but it was great, but it was great, but it was great.Where do you put that compared to the Odell Beckham catch?
Odell Beckham, Garrett Wills.But like, it's just a little bit.It's just a little bit.It's 1 and 1A?
It's, yeah, it's one and one A. It's one and one A. But I wonder, am I just saying that with Jets goggles on, or as somebody who doesn't like the Jets, do you look at it and go, yeah, that's one A?
Well, I think the thing with Odell Beckham is if you watch it from the side angle, is that when he catches it, he continues to move back and brings it well beyond the back of his head and then comes back in.
But man, that was a great catch last night.
And he was interfered with, yeah.Odell Beckham wins.
Odell Beckham wins, but last night was a great catch.I have some bad news for you if you are a Garrett Wilson fan, Mikey A, and I don't know if you're aware of this.
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College football week 10, eight and five a week ago, 46, 38, and two on the season.Pretty good. Here we go.Got a bunch of games.USF at FAU.USF is minus two and a half.I am taking South Florida.They win.They cover USF by ten points on the road.
Arkansas plus seven.Take it on Mississippi.Buy it up to seven and a half.Mississippi wins.Arkansas covers. Mississippi by four points at home.Army minus 22.Take it on the Air Force.Army wins.They cover.They win by 28 points.
And they continue their march towards a playoff bid.Vanderbilt plus seven at Auburn.Auburn. I don't like them.I thought they were going to be good headed into the season.You know what?They're not.I thought Vandy was going to be bad.They're not.
I'm taking Vandy here.They win the game outright.Buy it up to seven and a half.I don't know why I'm telling you to do that when I have them winning the game outright, but do it anyways.Vandy wins by four points on the road.NC State minus 10 at home.
Take it on Stanford.Stanford's awful. Buy it down to nine and a half.Take NC State.The Wolfpack win by 14 points at home.Syracuse plus four.Take it up Virginia Tech.Buy it up to four and a half.Virginia Tech wins the game.Syracuse covers.
Virginia Tech by a field goal.Buffalo minus one at Akron.Buffalo wins and covers Buffalo. by 14 points on the road.Nebraska, minus six, take it on UCLA, they are bad.Nebraska, I have no idea if they're good.
Whenever I have a team and I don't know if they're any good versus a bad team, I take the team that I don't know is any good.Nebraska, they win, they cover 14 points over UCLA at home.Navy, I have not given up on you. Minus 10 and a half.
They're at Rice.Buy it down to 10.Navy wins and covers.Navy by 17 points on the road.Texas A&M might be the best team in the country.They're going to South Carolina.They win, they cover.It's minus 2.The Aggies by 10 points on the road.
And finally, big game of the weekend.Peyton SMU. That's right, Pitt and SMU.You heard me correctly.It's the big game this weekend.I'm taking Pitt here.SMU is a seven point favorite.Buy it up to seven and a half.SMU's gonna win the game.
Pitt's gonna cover SMU by four points at home.NFL, week eight, season flying by.I say it every year.Four, three, and one a week ago, I am on a heater.36-22-2 on the season. Falcons, minus two and a half, take it on the Cowboys.
Atlanta wins, they cover the Falcons by 10 points over the Cowboys.Bills, minus six, take it on the Dolphins.The Bills, they might be the best team in the NFL, not to name the Chiefs.They might be. They win, they cover.
Bills by 14 points over the Dolphins.Bengals, minus 7, take it on the Raiders.Buy it down to 6 1⁄2.Cincinnati wins, and they cover.Cincinnati by 14 points at home.Commanders, minus 4, at the Giants.Giants, terrible.Buy it down to 3 1⁄2.
Washington wins by 7 points.They cover the spread.Arizona, minus 1 1⁄2.Take it on the Bears.Arizona wins.They cover.They get the record to 5 and 4.Arizona, by seven points at home.Rams getting healthy at the right time.Minus one at Seattle.
Rams win and they cover.Rams by seven points on the road.And finally, the Colts plus six.Take it on the Vikings.Vikings win the game.Colts cover.Vikings by three points at home.I'm taking the Colts.Those are the picks, everyone.Good luck.
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We're very happy for you.You have joined our friend Bill Simmons over at The Ringer.Your new show is out, The McShay Show, and we were laughing about the title of the show.It's cleverly named, but we were wondering what was second and third place?
When you guys were figuring out, congratulations on the show, Todd, and thank you for joining us.When you guys were figuring out a name of the show, what were the other options?
Talking about my kids, that's what they wanted me to offer up.I did.And people at the ringer just laughed at it and said, you can joke about it, but that's not going to be your podcast.
Um, what, uh, the Todd, Todd, Todd show from like the Caliendo bit, but the Todd, Todd, Todd cast.I'm not with, I'm not with Kuiper anymore, you know, and I am in spirit, but, but, uh, not, not company wide.So, yeah, I don't know.We landed on that.
That was, that was their call.It feels a little like arrogant, right?Like, look at me.
I get it.We were spitballing here.We said Todd talk would have been good.Yeah.Got to do it in front of like a black screen on a stage the entire time or also.
I mean, Todd, Todd, Bracillo just Bracillo was was remembering back to a time I was at the Shade Hotel in Manhattan Beach, brought him into my hotel room with all my film set up and talked him through Jameis Winston versus Mariota in that draft class.
And he referenced it as a Todd talk talk.
And you were right, by the way.I mean,
Yeah.Yeah.I mean, I don't want to, but I want that one.
I don't know that there are any huge winners in that, but yeah, no, there's not.
Well, yesterday you won.Uh, but Billy, you had another suggestion, right?
For titles.Well, no, we were thinking about like what we could name it.And Shannon Sharp has a show club Shay Shay.So we thought, what about club McShay Shay?There you go.That is more casual.You'd be on a couch.
I've been called Shay Shay before, but not since, not since that podcast that's gone away.
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Listen, you try being a Jets fan, okay?You'd be getting hammered on a Monday at noon as well, okay?You spent your day yesterday watching the Jets lose in person.Is that correct?
I was texting with you, Steve.I was like, It sounded like a great idea.My son's 10th birthday was recently we're trying to pick a game that we'd go to.
And obviously, you know, I played college football with Joe Douglas and thought it would be cool to bring him there and to take my son do it to a game and Joe was there and, you know, get the experience, right?Yeah. And that game looked interesting.
I knew the Patriots weren't going to be great, but the Jets are in town.They're going to have a great season.We all, you know, all were expecting that.
And then, you know, all of a sudden it's like, oh shoot, one in six versus two and five, but still an unbelievable experience.And thank you to the Patriots. Thank you to the Jets.Got to bring my son on the field.
I'm talking to a former ESPN executive on the sideline.I look over my son.I don't know if you've been on the sideline of an NFL game pre-game.They have the ropes up where people who are allowed on the field have to stay within a certain area.
And my son just thinks he runs the joint. And I look over and I'm talking to this guy, Jerry Madelon, who, gee, Matt, I don't know if he was there when you guys were at ESPN.
He's a wonderful man.Yeah, he really is a wonderful man.So I'm talking to him, lose track of where my son is and he thinks it's OK.Now I look over. He's in the end zone.And I'm like, Oh, you know, like, like, I know.
And I'm all that's running through my head is like, Joe texted me like, what are you doing?Stacey James with the Patriots yelling at me.
And, and so I look over and now the jets are coming out of the tunnel and Braylon Allen, the rookie running back number zero. comes running out and Tate is like, what's up, man, with his hand out.And I'm like, this isn't going to end well.
And so I'm like, Jerry, I got to go.So I start walking over and Braylon was cool.He looked around like what like this.He's not supposed to be here.And I thought he was going to get out of here.But he was cool.He was like, what's up, buddy?
How are you doing?So that was the start of my day.I thought we were going to get kicked off the field within like five minutes of being there.
Right.Kudos to your son for acting like he owns the joint.I like that.
I mean, he gets a page out of your your playbook, right?
Yes.Yes.But you're his dad, not me.Yeah.
Yeah.I mean, we had to have a conversation about that after.
I am certain you had a number of suitors.I'm wondering how you ended up, how this deal came to fruition.You with the ringer.I'm excited for you.I'm just wondering how it all came about.
You know, when I when I was laid off with a bunch of people at ESPN, I kind of made the decision a few months in after kind of, you know, being frustrated going through all the emotions that when I go back, I want to do it my way.
And my guy, Steve Mensch, who's been with me behind the scenes, scouting, lives up in New Hampshire, doesn't like to travel, just been doing the grinding for over two decades, like 25 years.And I was like, you know what?
Mench is going to be my guy and we're going to go on and we're just going to be transparent.We're just going to do it our way.
We're going to take people behind the scenes of our scouting process, bring them into, you know, in league offices and scouting departments, what they do and truly have fun with it.Like I've been I spent 15 years on the road.
Leaving on Thursdays, coming back on Sundays, going from Knoxville one week to Tuscaloosa the next week and had an absolute blast.But it tore me away from my family a little bit, a lot.It just was a grind.And I loved it.
But when I kind of came up for air, I was like, the media game has changed. the landscape has changed.I'm watching you clowns, you know, five days a week having a blast doing what you're doing.
And it was kind of an inspiration.I'm watching, you know, whether it's McAfee or, you know, we're silo and you guys, it just, that seems fun.So we shopped it around, talked to nine different places.Um,
Finally found the right, I found the right home, you know, and that's hard to do, but I found the right home.Spotify has gotten behind us.
We're going video with the podcast three days, three days a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays, every, every week during the college football season, we do a show right after the games, after the primetime game on Saturday nights, which I signed up for, and I love doing it, but now I'm going to bed at one in the morning, but, um,
But man, I love what I'm doing.And it feels right.And that's the first time in a long time I can actually say that.So it's really cool.And I appreciate you asking.
So we're happy for you.It seems like a life choice, though, right?Like this was a life choice.
Yeah.Good.You and I talked a lot.Yes.After I got laid off and I just. I talked to a lot of people who left ESPN or never worked there.And ESPN has been wonderful to me.I don't regret a minute.I learned so much.
They created who I am in terms of on air.And I don't have a single regret.And I truly, like I'm not just saying, like I truly appreciate ESPN and everything that it did for me and the relationships I have there are lifelong.
But, but this was a when when presented with this opportunity, it was about being able to do it the right way, in my opinion, being able to do it, where it was, it was best for me and my children and my family, and also being able to
do it without restrictions.You know what I mean?Of course.You guys do have the fun.Your whole thing, your entire life is you've been a great sports fan.When I listen to you guys, I hear the passion, the energy, I see the fun.It's contagious, right?
And that's why I love listening to your show still to this day.
For me, it's about all the tape I watch, all the conversations I have, to be able, instead of just in 90 seconds with a clip that has to be sold to somebody, to actually be able to sit with this stupid microphone in front of me and these equally stupid headphones on, to sit in my office where I watch tape and just to have the conversations with the audience that I'm having with people in the league and to be able to dive in deeper.
to what I'm doing to evaluate these prospects has been a lot of fun.
Is your life a lot different now that you're doing the podcast or I guess your professional life, like your workflow, is it a lot different?
You're still going to do a lot of the same stuff, but now we get you, you know, three times a week during the season.
My, um, the, The process is the same.We started in May for next year.It's a full 12 months a year evaluating.I'm watching the same tape, have the same database, have the same board, having the same conversations with everyone.
Nothing from the process changes at all.It's a lot less travel. And so with that comes fewer stories.I sat down with Nick on a Thursday before or Friday before a game.
And so I don't have as many of those stories, but I still have everyone's cell phone numbers.I'm still talking to everyone.But what's different now is
we get to like, I've already one week into the show, like I trust the people I'm working with the producers I'm working with, I trust mentioned implicitly.
And and to be able to just shoot a text like this week, we have Joel clap coming on tomorrow to shoot him a text this morning, but hey, do you mind joining your Penn State, Ohio State this week, and to be able to, to tap into those, you know, it's been two and a half decades.
of building relationships and getting to really know people and traveling with them and dinners and like, you know, to be able to kind of call on all that now is really cool.It's hard though, like, you guys make it look easy.
But like lining up guests, figuring out what the rundown is, that's the hardest part for me.Like I always go on shows and answer questions.I go into a studio, I answer questions.
I get a rundown and it's like, all right, these are the five players I'm talking about, or these are the three teams.So I've always been kind of pushed and pointed in the right direction.Now it's like this open canvas, if you will.
So the hardest part for me is figuring out, all right, what are we going to talk about this week?What's interesting? You know, so like the creative part is different and it's harder, but it's also more fun because it's challenging.
So, yeah, I don't know.It's a long winded answer, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it, man.I really am.I was worried.Like I was, I promise you, like pacing around nervous about the first couple of shows. Yeah, you gotta remember I've never done this.
I know, I know.I would go on a half hour show or an hour show and I would have a rundown.This is what we're gonna do in the eights.
Right, Jaden Daniels, go, right, exactly.
Yeah, Jaden Daniels and like here are the three clips that I have and I could time it out to, you know, what the video is.And so to have like, all right, we're on for 60 to 90 minutes, what do you got? So I was nervous.I was truly nervous.
I wasn't like shaking in my voice, but I was nervous.I did like an open for the first show.I've never written my own open.I don't host things.I'm not talented.I'm not Van Pelt.I'm not Labrador.I'm not, you know what I mean?I'm not these dudes.
So I'm not going to try to be.I think that's the biggest thing I've learned from the first week is I can still stay in my lane and I can screw this thing up.Like, procedurally, I'm not going to have these great transitions from one thing to the next.
But I think if we're just talking ball and I'm sharing exactly what I'm doing, I think there's a small audience that might be interested in as we continue to move forward.
I think a large audience.You have Levitard scripting out the first segment.Is that the way you have the show?
No, but I know, but I do watch LeBittard every once in a while when he wants to get serious.He like he'll come out and it's brilliant.Yes.I mean, he was a writer first, right?Yes.And I know LeBittard refuses to ever talk to me.
The closest I'll ever get to your show is talking to you guys.
It's really what it's really what you represent and what you represent is something that he hates.And that's the draft.
You sound sad about that, like disappointed that you're stuck with us.
No, I'm the only person who has a feud with somebody just because they refuse to get to know me.I'm flying down to Miami one day and we're going to go out to dinner and we're going to solve this thing.I know it's the draft stuff.
I know he hates the draft.
I think if you fly down to Miami, we're going to go out to dinner.Yeah, without love at all.
No, because you represent something he hates, I mean.
I understand that.But my point is, like, he'll start crying and he'll beautifully land a plane.And like, I can't do that.You know, I'm just like, that's not my talent.So I'm trying to figure out how to stay in my lane and not muck it up on the way.
When's the last time you cried?Oh yeah.I love a good cry. I didn't cry when I got laid off.You did it.
It sounds almost like in a strange way, Todd, and I could be reading too much into this.It sounds almost like it was kind of like a weight was lifted when that happened.
Not necessarily something you would have done, but you are almost grateful in a sense that it happened.He's landed in a good spot.
Yeah, yeah.It was not the plan.My plan was to work for ESPN the rest of my career.I'll be totally honest.They wanted me to come back and do TV at some point and do the draft, like I'm here, you know?
So it's not, I never had this intention and maybe I should have, but after I got over the initial phase of, you know, disappointment and all the emotions that come with something like that,
and started to talk to people who are doing this thing at a high level and started to talk to my agency.There's life after and there's opportunities.Yeah, I'm happy, man.I'm happy.So good.Yeah, I swear.It's like it's different.So it's a good thing.
Who do you lean on in terms of making this decision?Was Mel involved at all?Like who?
I talked to Mel Moore.I talked to Mel Moore in seven months. than I ever did.Mel and I probably talked in, I think 13 years together doing the draft.
We probably talked, I don't know, 30, 40 times in 13 years on the phone, you know, just side conversation, not like together driving to the hotel from Bristol and going to the draft.I'm talking just like pick up the phone and call.
He's always been a friend, but he became a close friend.And the advice he gave me, like lifting me up the confidence that he had.It was impactful, man.
It was like 41 you like I could still hear him in my ear right now 41 years I've been doing this Todd I'm going to be 64 I'm about to have a grandchild.I promise you.
If you gave me an opportunity where one year where I'm going to be part of a package where you get paid for a year and you can take it off, I would take it in a heartbeat.So enjoy it.Like, stop.I remember him being like, stop.
Stop worrying about what's next.Take a year.Be with your kids.Be with your family.Get healthy.Get right.Do things for you.And that was hugely impactful.Hugely impactful.
How's Kirk Cignetti doing it? Games aren't even close, they're just blowing people out.
Wow.He's the best.Wow.No, no, he knew, listen, we needed it, he gave it to us, and now you have to.
Yeah, it was getting like too sappy and emotional, no one cares.
Yeah, no, they do, people care, but Billy, that was, the timing was perfect.
It was that, or you would still got to wearing the exact same outfit, which is really distracting right now.Yeah, it's weird.
Well, he's got a sponsorship, I'm still working on mine.
Listen, not everything on my body is for free, okay?No, it's either for free or he's trying to get it free.
Just most of it.That vodka in front of you is, I know that much.Oh, for sure. Cignetti, Cignetti.It's interesting because so my, the guy I worked with, I talked to you about Steve Mench.There were three of us.It was myself, Mench, and Kevin Whittle.
And Kevin Whittle and his whole family, like they, he was with me for 12 years.He's now, he's now scouting with the Baltimore Ravens, Kevin was.He's always talked to me about Cignetti, IUP, like long history.And he's a different cat.
And so I've known, I've known about Cignetti before Cignetti was even anybody, you know, when he was at IUP.
And so to see him rise up the ranks and to win and Google me and all this stuff has been kind of fun to watch because I've had this like connection with him without knowing him.
But, you know, while he's like a different cat is the best way I can put it in terms like socially and all that, his attention to detail, his confidence in his plan and what he's doing, his leadership from top to bottom. You can see it on the field.
They are not the most talented team.They are not, you know, an undefeated team in terms of just pure got dudes on the field, but they don't make many mistakes.They believe in what they're doing defensively.They're buttoned up offensively.
They, they understand who they are.It's, it's really cool to watch.And he's, I just love it.And I also like, I have some friends who were really deep ties at Indiana football. It's a basketball school.There's no question about it.
But what's different between like Indiana and maybe even Kentucky, I don't know, is they absolutely freaking love their football and they've been starved for something like this.So it's been fun to watch.
They should enjoy it now because it ain't going to be there for long.I mean, why not?I mean, because he's headed to Ohio State next year.He's going to take a bigger job.I mean, come on.Why would he stay in Indiana?
I do hear, I mean, you get online, like, can you imagine having the win percentage, the recruiting, the talent, everything that you've done in your Ryan Day?And they're like, f*** Ryan Day, bring in Cignetti.We want Cignetti.Can you imagine?No.
A guy that they didn't know about two years ago.Wait, guys, Ryan Day is 56 and f***ing 8.He is 56 and 8.
It's unbelievable. Like how spoiled are you?It's ridiculous.And I don't know.And I promise you this, Cignetti, like they go beat Michigan and he's Ohio State coach.He's going to annoy their fan base too.He's not going to be as accessible.
He's not going to, like, he's not going to recruit maybe some, whatever it is.
As long as he beats Michigan though, Todd, that's all that matters.
Right. Herb Street always talks about it.It's the greatest fan base in the world, except for the 10, 15%, whatever you want to put that number, the lunatic fringe.He talks about it like the Ohio State lunatic fringe is up there with any fan base.
It's just, they're so loud that it drowns out like the other 85% of like rational, good human beings, like all those.It's just that lunatic fringe is special.
Todd McShay is with us, the McShay Show, a new show, part of The Ringer, and wherever you get your podcast, it is available.
I am wondering here, Todd, how you had the quarterbacks ranked last year, headed into the draft, and would you re-rank them differently now that you've seen them play seven or eight games?
You know, it's interesting because, and I said it a lot, and a lot I had to say to myself, because I didn't really have an outlet last year, except going on Rosillo's every Monday, so I guess I just said it to Ryan a lot. Caleb's special, okay?
I mean, and we're seeing it, we didn't see it for three and a half quarters yesterday, but we've seen it like the last five or so games.
He's special, he's got, I'm not saying he's ever gonna be Mahomes, he's the only one Mahomes, but he had a lot of those same traits where it's sloppy, footwork's not there.
But my God, can he create and can he do special things with the football that most guys just can't do?
So as a whole, I had a slight, I think it was like 96 and 95 on a hundred grade scale, like two of the higher grades I've given out in a long time ever at the quarterback position.
Uh, but Jaden, I had, it's like a third round or coming into the year.And I remember two years ago, um, being on the field with Brian Kelly with Jaden and being like, listen, Todd, like I know you evaluate these guys.
I promise you what I see in practice is a guy who can anticipate throws, who can throw to spots that you don't see always on tape.And I'm pissed because it was before the Tennessee game when they had Hendon Hooker and Tennessee was rolling, right?
And they got rolled up that day, LSU did too.But I was on the field like 20 minutes before kick and he's walking me through, he's like, the worst thing is, he's like, I know it's not you, but like the media,
especially locally, he's like, oh, Jaden's doing great.He hasn't thrown an interception.
He's like, I'm dying for this kid to throw an interception because I want to prove to him that it won't be the end of the world, that we're going to be all right.He's like, I just need him to rip it and trust his eyes.
He's like, he has to see a receiver come open.Very first play of that game, it was a comeback route on the left side.And I could tell by the conversation I had with him and then how the play unfolded.
He was like, listen, I don't care if you throw a pick six here. Get the ball out on time, trust your receiver, trust the play call.And he did and he ripped it and it was a beautiful throw to the left.
And I said that was the first time I saw like Jaden's not just a phenomenal athlete who can run in the four threes and can make some deep throws and do some beautiful things when the play breaks down.
If he trusts his mind and his eyes, he's gonna get to a point where he can do special things too.And so from that point on, he kept getting better and better and better, anticipating things, trusting the offense, trusting his eyes.
And then we saw the following year, he put together the season that he had.And I said it so many times to Rusillo, if I was dropped on this planet and said, all right, here's the 2023 tape of Caleb, 2023 tape of Jaden, I'm taking Jaden.
He had a better season.I see it more.It's just, it's more, it translates better.But I've seen the whole career of Caleb and I know what he's capable of.So I gave them almost identical grades, love both of them.I was slightly higher.
I think 96 and 95 for those two quarterbacks coming in.And Drake May was number three on that list, but there was a little, there was a noticeable gap between the first two guys and Drake May. That's that's where I stand.
It surprises me because no rookie should be playing the way Jaden has played.It's crazy.Yes, it's crazy.
He just like no rookie should ever have the rookie year that he's at.You can argue.I know he missed the time and he wasn't great yesterday before the Hail Mary and all that.But you could argue that he's the MVP of the league.
I said it this morning.You can argue that easily, by the way.I mean, Washington was a disaster before he got there.
And what he's done to that whole, the whole organization like the confidence has been instilled.
And there's, there's a lot of scouting I know we don't have to deep dive but there's a lot of scouting stuff here, like the same, the same offense he was running his senior year with Denver, who's now Notre Dame.
is a very similar offerance to what he's running now.So the transition wasn't that hard for him.
Playing more ball, transferring from Arizona State to LSU, and being in different systems, and getting as much game experience as he had, that's critical too.
And so I think some young quarterbacks can learn from his journey, I hate the word journey, but his experience in college, and the fact that playing more games is critical, because when he got to the NFL, he was ready.
And it's rare to see that a quarterback is absolutely ready.And Jaden Daniels has been ready.
Todd, another guy that was ready and he surprised me and I'm wondering where you had him, like how you had him rated is Bo Nix.He's been good.Bo Nix has been very good this year.
I didn't have a first round grade on him, man.
And I said this, like, it's either going to be one of the most arrogant mistake
that has been made in that organization or it's going to be, you know, we're going to see, we're going to see Sean Payton just thrive and this is going to be the greatest decision he's made and been a part of personnel was, and early on I was like,
This is the Bo Nix that I kind of thought that we could see, but he's gaining confidence.And the trust and confidence that Sean has in Bo, that's another case study.Not wavering, undoubtedly.And I even said, I said to Ryan, week two or week three,
I wonder if Sean regrets being so confident in bow, like publicly, not privately.That's what you have to be.But publicly, like, I remember watching clips of Diana Rossini on I know you guys have a great relationship with.
And like when she was a training camp and just raving about this guy, like he was a five year vet who had proven himself.And I was like, is he setting him up for failure publicly? And then he comes out and he didn't play great in the first few games.
But to see the growth that he has, and I think part of it is that unwavering confidence that he's the guy.And Sean has done great things with him so far.And yeah, he's playing good.I was worried about him.And let me also say this.
I'm not sure he would have this kind of success this early that he's had in recent weeks. if it was with anybody else.Not to say that Sean's the only one who could develop him.No, it makes sense.But the fit was brilliant.
Yes.And he believes in him.So that's, uh, that's also a big part of it.Uh, we're, we're wondering because we were talking earlier today about Jared Goff, like the MVP, Jaden Daniels.It could also be Jared Goff.Did you have golf being this good?
What was your, no, no, I really, I had him as the first quarterback.
I remember being I'll never forget being out at the Cal pro day right and you're out of Berkeley and it's just different setting all the redwood trees in the background and you know it's it's not like you're going down down to Tuscaloosa for a pro day or or Columbus that's a.
when you're scouting and you're going to all these things every year, you're, you're familiar with these settings and it feels like, yeah, I've been here before.
Now I remember being out at Cal and, um, and just, and watching it and it just, it felt different.It's hard to explain.It just didn't feel, it didn't feel Not that it wasn't first class.I don't, it didn't feel like the right setting for it.Right.
And, and then golf, remember that it was nine inch hands or nine and one eighths inch.That was a big topic conversation.So now here we are with this big setting and the redwood trees and it's, you know, the hippie campus and all this stuff.
And, and you've got, I think it was the Cleveland Browns or quarterback coach at the time has got him dumped before every drop back, taking the NFL football and putting it in a barrel of water.I'm like, this just feels weird.
You know, like it's a torture, you know, but they wanted to test, can he throw a wet football?So, um, I liked him, I thought he could, in the right system, be successful.I was really surprised.
You know, they go to a Super Bowl with him, and McVay's like, nah, I need, what was his line?I need a partner here, not a mentor role, or something along those lines, paraphrasing.And I understood that, but it still was surprising.
And I thought to myself, because remember, at that time, we've seen Baker now, we're seeing Sam Darnold.Retread quarterbacks was not a thing. Your first spot didn't work out based off history.You were done.You're done.You're done.
And so I'm like, Oh, golf's done.And he's going to Detroit. And Matthew Stafford, like anyone who studies tape and like knows this game, Matthew Stafford, if, if Matt can't do it, right.Nobody can't like almost nobody in the world can do it.Yeah.
And now Jared's going to Detroit.He's done right to see what he's done.And. Brad Holmes like talk about confidence and believing in a guy and Brad Holmes, the general manager, seeing what he saw in him.
And like I remember reporters after the first year like I do, obviously working in the draft.It's like, all right. draft needs Detroit.It was like quarterback, you know, golf is a placeholder.
He's a bridge, the gap guy, but they, if they're going to take the next step, they need to, they need to draft a quarterback early.And he, I remember watching a press conference where it was like, what are you guys talking about?We got our guy.Right.
And I still like quarterback top three need like they're, they're, they're just, they're playing coy, but he believed in him and that organization believed in him.And Ben Johnson, the coordinator is a big part of it too.
He's one of the brilliant minds in the NFL on the offensive side and, and watching them, not only did they get them to a level where he's like, They can win, they can win without him screwing it up.
Like he is now to a level where he's one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the league, maybe seven, wherever that number is.And they're winning a lot of times because of him.How about Jameer Gibbs?So good.Like Brad Holmes.
For a while, we didn't talk about Brett Veach in Kansas City, the general manager, and the job that he did, because it's all about Andy Reid and Holmes.And Brad Holmes, to me, is one of the great GMs in the NFL.It was a big FU.
I get all these draft picks. And we're going to take a running back and get mocked.And we're going to take an inside linebacker and get mocked.And look at him now, you know, like a tight end.
Then I think it was early second round just a couple of years ago.Look at those guys out in Jameer Gibbs.I mean, every time I look up, he's going for like a 40 plus yard touchdown run.
Todd, it's nice to go down memory lane and all that, but I'm a Jets fan, so I'm already looking to next year and the quarterbacks coming out there.
Yeah, I mean, we have to, but like this year, almost more than others, I feel like every week there's a different name we're hearing is this is the best quarterback coming out.So right now, as it stands, how do you have them rated coming out?
It's so it's interesting.You talk to NFL scouts, right?And early in the year it was like, yeah, this is the Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis draft.Like these quarterback, you know.Sounds like a Jets draft.
Yeah.It's gotten better.But, but every time you want to like, like this, this week I was watching Ole Miss.I'm not Ole Miss.A&M LSU and Garrett Nussmeyer.I just love, I still call it draft, draft Twitter, but draft X.
It's like, all of a sudden, it was 17-7, and I'm going through the feed quickly, because I'm getting ready for my first Saturday night show.And it was like this orgy of draft geniuses on X, clamoring over each other, like, no, I had him first.
No, he's my guy.I had him QB one four months ago.Meanwhile, he started a bowl game last year. It's just interesting to see because and remember first half of Alabama, Georgia, it was like Jalen Milrow QB one.
Yeah, I knew all along and then you get you watch Countdown with Greeny and, and he talked to field gates in the in the makeup room.And why not Jalen Milrow QB one, you know, he could be developed and we saw Jalen hurt.
So like, it's just funny in a year when you don't have Caleb Williams, right?You don't have Jaden Daniels and you don't have Drake may. how like everyone is so freaking eager to like tap on that shoulder and be like, he's my guy.He's mine.No, no, no.
I had him first.Well, maybe there's when we're fighting over that, maybe there's not one elite guy.I can tell you this right now.Shador Sanders, without question, has had the best tape of any quarterback this year in the country.
And everyone wants to dislike him because his dad's going to block him from going to Carolina and a handful of other places that he potentially could go and however that all plays out.
But Shadur Sanders, after that Nebraska pick six and that tape, has been absolutely lights out. They're protecting him a little bit better, which is it's hard to protect him any worse than they were early in the season.
But every game he's gotten better, more confident, playing within structure.He's the best pure passer in this class.I know he's not overly mobile.He extends plays, but he is not a guy that threatens you with his legs to run.
But I think from an NFL passing perspective, he has the most tools to work with. Cam Ward is exceptional.His his gift, like his tools, his his escapability, his arm.
Like, I don't know if you guys saw a couple of weeks ago, like that throw 42, 48 yards back to the end zone.Yes.Unbelievable, right?Yeah.Not many guys can do that.
But there's four or five plays every game where you're like, oh, you know, like careful.That's not he's not going to get away with in the NFL.And then there's another three or four throws like you got to make that.That's that's a layup.So
I think Cam Ward has a lot of potential.I think Shador is the best quarterback prospect in this class.I think they're both first round guys.I think Jalen Milrow is absolutely the wild card of all this.
I think he probably would benefit from going back another year and continuing to develop.He's made great, remember he was benched midway through last season.
So to see the strides he's made in just over a year, really one year from that point, and to see where he is now, and to see him have that first half against Georgia, there's a lot to be excited about.
And his ability to run is second to none in this class.But I think he could use another year.I don't know if he'll wind up doing that or not.
It depends on how he finishes this season, what happens in the SEC championship game if they're in it, what happens in the playoff if they're in it.
And if you finish finishes great, then yeah, he'll probably get a late first round grade and go somewhere in the middle of the first round because the team is going to bet on the upside.
But if I were advising him, I'd say, let's see how the season plays out.And if it's still kind of up and down roller coaster style, then let's let's strongly consider going back another year and developing.And then Garrett Nussmeyer.
Phenomenal for the vast majority.I think his tape is up there.I wouldn't say what should doors, but I would say he's been the second best quarterback in terms of like.
No, I would say it's it should or cam ward and just tape wise Nussmeyer, but then he makes that mistake and then three interceptions and the wheels come off. And Nussmeier has another year too.
And we talked about Jaden Daniels, how important game experience was for him in this rookie year he's having.I think Nussmeier should go back to LSU for another year and gain that experience.
We'll get you out of here in a second.We appreciate the time.Where does Ewers fall into that?Is he a first round pick or?
Ewers, After the Michigan game, another guy just climbing over bodies.You were QB1, you were, right?It's just unbelievable.Why do we have to declare right now?Well, you gotta be the first one to declare.You gotta say, I had that guy first.
It wasn't McShane, it was me.It wasn't Kuyper, it was me.
Exactly, exactly.And that's why Kuyper will put a player, he's got a number 40 on his board up at 25 and sneak him in. Yeah, the full, the classic.Um, but, but yours is in that conversation.There's no question.
I, I would say right now for me, it's, it's Shador one cam ward to Mill Road.It's like big asterisks next to one, but three got based off of potential. Nussmeier, four, but again, probably should return and gain more experience.One year as a starter.
Look at the history of it.Dating back to Sanchez, you guys know well, coming out of USC.So I would say Nussmeier, Ewers, and then Carson Beck.And Carson Beck was everybody's guy.No, it was Milrow in the first half and Beck in the second half.
Yeah, yeah.Can we get the combo?
It's so good, man.The McShay Show, it is a part of The Ringer.It's available wherever you get your podcasts, three days a week.You look happy, man.You really do.And I'm happy for you.We're all happy for you.So good luck with the new show.
We're here for you whenever you need us because you have been there for us and our show.So we appreciate you, man.Good luck with it.
I appreciate you Tuesday guys.You asked me before, like people, you were one of them, the people who I reached out to and people who reached out to me.
And I'll never forget that because you've got your persona and everyone knows all your, all your flaws and we love you for them.Thank you.
But, uh, but you were there like real, real texts back and forth and being honest and, and keeping me on top of some stuff.So I appreciate you and I'll never forget that.
All right.Well, I appreciate you saying that, man.Good luck with the show.And, uh, I know it's going to be great and we look forward to having you on more often, man.
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There's no safe like SimpliSafe. Yo, boys, what's up?Billy decided he had more important things to do than, you know, do our show and spend a little time with our friend Chris Sims, huh?Wow.What's what's he got to do today?What's he doing?
I don't know.Halloween stuff, I guess.
I mean, you don't even know.Like, you're his boss.You just let him just say, I don't show up and it's like, I don't know where he goes.I mean, damn, where can I get that boss?
Yeah, well, hold on, Mikey.He's got this all wrong.You think I'm Billy's boss?I mean, well, I mean, you're higher up, I think.
I don't know.I don't know.I'm not sure, actually.You're right.I'm not sure.
Well, I am higher up, but Billy doesn't listen to a word I say.Like, no, that's not how it works around here.
Yeah, Billy's just an organizer, though.So you're his boss.Like, I don't know what the f***.How do you guys let him out of this?This is disgraceful.Are you upset?Disgraceful.You're upset by it, right?
You feel like you're personally offended, and you should be.Yes.
Yep.Yep.Screw him.Well, we know it'll be a smarter, more cordial conversation today without him, so that'll be better.
BFD with Mike Florio every day on peacock the button podcast football night in America Mikey Mikey a and I were discussing right before you came on Anthony Richardson and Him tapping out and saying he's tired and god forbid a guy who runs that physically says he's tired for I mean Jesus the NFL everyone climbed down climbed out his back what were your thoughts on that whole thing because I
I think Joe Flacco is the better quarterback, is the better option, gives them the better chance to win, but that's a weird way to get yourselves back to Joe Flacco.
Yeah, no, well, it is.It is.I mean, first off, listen, that has never been seen ever in the history of football.
Never.Chris, we've never seen a quarterback run that physically in the history of football.Maybe Cam Newton. Oh, Cam Newton.
So, I mean, come on.We watch Lamar Jackson run seven miles every game.We see Josh Allen run everywhere, every game.We're watching Jaden Daniels run everywhere in every game.They're not tapping out.I mean, what?He ran two plays in a row.
Ask Ryan Kelly, the center, some of the linemen.They're going wait on some of those run plays on that drive.You just hand the ball off and watched.We were still blocking and working.You tapped out.You're supposed to be the leader of the team.
That's not a good look.I think that's just a microcosm of why he's being benched is that right there.I think there's more to it. Right.
And I think it's whether it's maturity, you know, just learning how to work and be ready for the game on a Sunday, all that.I think that there's a little of the the players have spoken out a little bit and then add the fact of what you're saying.
Joe Flacco gives them the better chance right now.Now, is that the right decision?Hey, listen, it's a good conversation. Anthony Richardson's good is really good, right?It's just as bad as really bad.And it's hard to win a game 10 for 32, 8 for 24.
Those are the stat lines we're seeing right now.Misthrow, misthrow, misthrow, bad decision, misthrow, misthrow, misthrow.Whoa, what a throw.Misthrow, misthrow, bad decision, misthrow, misthrow. Whoa, what a throw.
That's what it is watching them right now.And that's hard to win on a consistent basis.
And I think between probably some of the immaturity things and then what goes on in the field, I think that it was hard for Shane Sikand to sell that to his locker room anymore, that they were putting their best guy out there in Anthony Richardson.
And I think that's why they go with Joe Flacco. It ain't over for Anthony Richardson.Right.They know how talented he is.They're just last year's injury kicked the can down the road to this year and development.
And he didn't get the off season last year and all that.So yeah, there's still some work to be done, but they're not going to give up on them in Indianapolis.There's no way.Cause like you said, the high, high end talent is, is real deal.
Yeah.But Mike, yeah, he's so right about that.No one can make two quarters of bad quarterback play, go away with a single throw like Anthony Richardson.
Oh, it's amazing.And then what Shane Steichen is doing and managing games and keeping them in it, right?With that style of play is truly phenomenal.Now this week is where I think with Joe Flacco, you got to play the Vikings, right?
And again, he's more experienced.They have a passing game.The Vikings are one of the best teams in football.It's stopping the run.So if it was, you know, Anthony Richardson and just a run game and a few passes here and there,
totally plays in the favor of the Vikings.Anthony Richardson with all the stuff Minnesota does at the line of scrimmage.Joe Flacco makes them more dangerous.
He's gonna be able to check plays, get different protections, just more comfortable because of experience through the years in that element.And that's where I think, you know, that's where the value in Joe Flacco and starting him right now.
Chris, what'd you make of how well Jameis Winston played last week?
I mean, crazy.I'm a Jameis fan, right?Well, the first thing you say is what the **** would Cleveland look like if they played Jameis four weeks ago?Yes.
I mean, Stefanski's a great coach when he's coaching a team that doesn't have Deshaun Watson as quarterback.
The defense is an all-star defense.It's still one of the best in football.It's even better than when it's statistically ranked. Because, again, with Deshaun Watts on the quarterback, it was three plays, punt, three plays, punt, three plays, punt.
I don't care what defense you are.If you're the 85 Bears, you're going to break down eventually with that formula.
You need the offense to give you a rest, get a little momentum, put you in a position of power from time to time on the defensive side of the ball.They never got that.They're going to be dangerous here.
Watching that film on Tuesday, I mean, all you need to do is if you, me, and Mikey sat down and watched the film, you'd go, oh, my gosh. Yeah, I guess Deshaun Watson was holding him back.First off, he didn't make any of these throws.
Second off, the offense was totally different.They were way more creative and schematically did different things and aggressive that way, which shows you that they weren't comfortable calling some of those plays with Deshaun Watson.
So Jameis Winston was awesome in the football game.The Ravens defense is not good.People got to stop thinking Ravens defense.The Ravens defense sucks. They stopped the run.They can't stop the pass at all.
They can't rush the passer with their front four.They got issues there.But man, Jameis, I think, adds some juice to that Cleveland football team.And I think they're going to be dangerous here going forward.
Chris, they're 2 and 6.They take on the Chargers.When you say they're going to be dangerous, you're not thinking playoff dangerous, are you?
I'm not going to say that yet.But would I be shocked that they string together a bunch of wins here, and all of a sudden, we're sitting here a few weeks from now going like, damn, they're 8 and 8.
And if they can win the last two games here, or one of the last two, they might squeak in with some help or something like that.I think they have that type of capability.The Chargers are favored by a point and a half in this football game.
They're really kind of very similar teams in your face defense, right?They want to run the ball. Cleveland with Chubb is getting there.They're not quite where they want to be that way.
I took Cleveland to win the game because I just don't think the Chargers have enough firepower on offense to beat that Cleveland defense consistently.
And like I said, this Cleveland offense, I think, is something to be reckoned with a little bit now with Jameis at the helm.
Do you expect the Ravens?Because they got Deontay Johnson, but they need defense.You're right.And they have one of those kind of losses every year, man.They have losses like that usually in the playoffs.They're getting them out of their system now.
But do you expect them to get some defensive help before the deadline?
I, well, first off, I feel like the Ravens get a free pass.Everyone anointed them the Kings and the best team in football.And I'm going to be like, what?They're, they're five and three.They could have lost some other games too.Yes.
Like, I don't understand just because like, there's a love affair for Lamar, which I understand.He's awesome.Yep.But everyone was just like, Oh, Lamar and Derek Henry, they're going to the Superbowl.Like what?
First off, they get a little pass happy again, last week, Cleveland, if there's a problem with their defense, you can run the ball.They run the ball 11 times.I don't understand that.
Um, and yeah, the defensive side of the ball, uh, uh, Stu gots has got issues with the trade for Deontay Johnson.And yeah, they need another corner or somebody like that or a pass rusher, something of that element.
But obviously that's not presented itself in a trade package or anything like that.I think with the Deontay Johnson thing, they just showed you, forget it, we're just going to outscore everybody.That's what they're opting to do.Whatever.
And I would say this, and I said this on my pod Wednesday, when Baltimore tries to rush four and play zone or some side of coverage behind it, They're wasting their time.
Just walk off the field and go drink Gatorade, because the team always gets a big play.They're better.Blitz every play.Go crazy.Send the house.Send the house.Maybe you tip a pass, strip sack, fumble, get an interception.
Nonetheless, if they don't, let them go down and score and get your offense back on the field.I would play a little more like Detroit does. Detroit goes, you're either going three and out, or you're going to go down and score real quick.
But either way, Jared Goff and the company are coming back on the field, and we're going to attack, attack, attack.And can you keep pace with us?And I feel like Baltimore needs to do that.Stop trying to be like the 2012 Baltimore Ravens.
I think John Horbaugh would tell both of us.He would tell both of us, Kyle Hamilton catches that pass, we win that game.You're not saying what you're saying right now.
Well, yeah, I mean, I would still question the defense.No, the defense was bad enough.And even with that play right there, you know, it looked like he should have caught it.We know that.Yes.
Elijah Moore, Jamis Winston there, he was running on a certain angle.And as Jamis is throwing the ball, he did a shake and ran a different direction. So that really screwed it up.
People want to make fun of James and go, whoa, he'll give you one of those every game.That was more on Elijah Moore.But your point's real.But I still think, and I've been saying this even before last week, their defense is a problem.
And that trade for Deontay Johnson, that to me kind of shows you they're going to go screw it.We're going to go offense and try to outscore everybody.
Sims, walk us through the final play of Commander's Bears last weekend.Like, just walk us through what's going on in your head, like what you're saying.You're in the studio, you're watching that game unfold.He throws a 65-yard, 70-yard Hail Mary.
There's a guy celebrating off to the side who's not prepared for the play.What were Chris Sims' thoughts as that whole thing unfolded?Because Jaden Daniels, man, he might be the MVP of the NFL this year.
Well, I don't want to go.I'm not going to go that far.He's not the MVP.He can't throw seven touchdowns and only three interceptions would be the MVP.But he's still good.
The commanders are so bad for so long.And the difference is Jaden Daniel.
I know.Yes.No.And he's added juice to the organization.And he's playing awesome.There's no doubt about that.Like, really good.OK.I broke this down on my pod, too.The biggest flaw at this end of the football game was the second to last play.
That's, to me, the number one flaw.That's where it starts. If you go back and watch the end of the first half, Washington tried to throw some out routes to get in field goal position to get a late field goal before halftime.
Bears played the defense of protect the sideline.On the second to last play of the game, Washington was on the 35 yard line and the Bears had nobody within 40 yards of the line of scrimmage as far as coverage guys.
They just had the three down lineman, everybody was back. Why?Why would you let them throw a 10 or 15 yard out route with six seconds left?I mean, why?They can't throw it.He can't throw it 80.
He's not going to be able to throw the line of scrimmage being from the 35 and probably have to be seven or eight yards behind the line of scrimmage and throw it.He doesn't have that kind of arm. It's not that kind of arm.
Why wouldn't you protect the sidelines and invite them to throw the ball over the middle and the game is over?It's over.So that's where the dumbness started.
And to let them get that 13 yard completion to the 48 yard line that allowed them to throw the Hail Mary.And then the bears who were undisciplined, Caleb and the offense played like crap all day long. Found some magic late.
They did not play good at all.Caleb played bad.It was a bad game by Caleb.He went in there going, I'm going to show Jaden.I'm from, this is my hometown.I'm going to show everybody I'm the man.
He came in with a preconceived notion of how he wanted the game to go instead of just playing the game.And that hurt them.But then on the last play, I mean, I'm yelling.I was yelling on the second to last play.
But on the last play, we're sitting in the studio getting ready for the show, and I'm watching it happen.And of course, we just went crazy yelling, because it was probably about 6.30, 6.45, maybe even a little later than that.
And we were just about to start the show, or maybe had started the show.We all went crazy yelling about it, and the Tyreke Stevenson crap and everything along with it.
what's worse, the Stevenson crap or tapping out Anthony Richardson.I mean, come on.
Thank you.That's a good one there.
I mean, why is Stevenson still playing?Huh?
I mean, yeah, I mean the Stevenson one's bad.That's bad.First off, he had a personal foul in the game.He was drawn all game long. He got beat and didn't play all that well in the football game altogether.
Then he's going to try to rub it in the crowd's faces, not do his assignment, then run over there the last second, tip the ball in the air.I'll give him the crown over that one.Anthony Richardson I've his heart's in the right place.
He's just got to mature and run some wind sprints.Okay.During the week.I mean, we can't run out of breath at quarterback.Okay.You can't do that.Sorry.That's not in the rule book.
Uh, but yeah, I would go Tyreek Stevenson was, was worse than Anthony Richardson, Mikey.
Yeah.Here's the deal.You're not allowed to be tired in the NFL or at least you're not allowed to acknowledge it publicly as a quarterback.
You can be tired, but yeah, you can't be the leader of the offense and like, oh, you ran two plays in a row when the offensive line, while you were running around, it's like, and then the 10 plays before that were like, and they're working the whole time.
And it's like, oh, you work two plays and you want to come out now?That's a bunch of BS.So yes, you can't do that.
Does any other excuse work there?Like, hey, the shoulder pad kind of fell out of place.I had to get it back.
That it could have.Right.And you have an equipment, the equipment issue.Right.I mean, my strap fell off.Whatever.Yeah.Do that.But don't tap out because you're tired in a big moment of the football.
And then put the offensive Joe Flacco in that position.Yeah.That's not fair to them either.That's where it's a it's just not the right thing to do as an NFL quarterback.You know that.I know that.We all know that.
You'd be odd if the shoes untied and then they announced, Hey, we're going with Joe Flacco.The Colts got exactly the response they wanted.I'm tired.
We were talking about, is this the Kyler Murray that we've been promised for like years?Is this, is this that guy or are we just waiting for it to go down again?He's been good.
No, it's been good.And Mike, yeah, I think he has turned the corner.I do.Now, again, I don't think they're super talented to where I just think they're definitely going to the playoffs.They're going to make some big run here.
I think there'll be a pain in the butt all year long.I think ultimately they're not a playoff team, but probably upset some teams playoff dreams and are in the mix here throughout.They're tough.They're pretty well coached.
I think if we talk to most people on the street, they wouldn't be able to tell you a player on the Arizona Cardinal defense, right?Off the top of your head, you probably only know Buda Baker and that's about it.Yep.
And for most fans out there, offensively, they do lack firepower.Marvin Harrison Jr is very good.He's not the guy that's going to beat you 80 yards deep for a touchdown.He's very good though.And there's no doubt about that.
Trey McBride is one of the better tight ends in football.And James Connor is literally like, you know, the terminator Connor guy, like he just physical tough as hell, whatever.Right.Um, but to your point, my gay Kyler in the pocket tougher.
making more closed or tight window throws, pocket collapsing, not just abandoning ship and going, I'm out of here.Go, go gadget legs.I'm running.That's what I trust.
Standing in there, throwing big throws off his back foot, showing a little edge and leadership this year.I think we've seen a different Kyler Murray.That was a big time game last week.Listen, that was never easy for them.
They scored points in the second half because Kyler Murray was tough and made big time plays and throws and big moments.It wasn't like, oh, he's wide open.He's wide open.Oh, they're running the ball everywhere on them.No, it wasn't.
It was playmaking.So I got him losing a close one to Chicago this week, but I wouldn't bet on it because I think Chicago is a little more talented.But no, I think Kyler Murray and this style of play is here to stay, Mikey.
I think he's turned a corner.
I do. Chris, the biggest play of that game, the best play of that game, in my opinion, and the play that ended up winning them the game, and this is why Kyler Murray is so good, was that third down run by Murray.
That was such a great, like he's one of, I don't know how many quarterbacks can make that play, but he's one of them, man.
I mean, again, I've seen Kyler Murray run around for 74 seconds in plays and never tap out of the game, just to let you know, okay?Never.I've seen him do it like multiple plays in a row and be like,
zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, throw it away.Zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom.I ran for 20.Zoom, zoom, zoom.I threw it for 15.And he doesn't go, hey, coach, I'm tired.And he didn't come out.Hey, I get it.I got it.OK.OK.All right.I know.
It's happening organically.I don't know.It just happened that way.You keep proving the point.It was perfect.Right.It was perfect.But yes, his running, he's still one of the best runners in football.And then toughness there on that run.
Like that play looked like he was going to lose five yards and then he stayed patient.He puts his foot in the ground and goes upfield and kind of takes a hit and balances off and gets a few extra yards.That's what I'm talking about.
And his toughness, let alone those last two or three drives he made. a throw or two on each of those drives where you're like, oh my gosh, I mean, he's about to get hit.
The guy's not even out of the break, and he makes an unbelievable throw with pressure and tight coverage.Yeah, he's dangerous.He really is.And they're a team that's on the up and up.
They're not there yet, but another offseason of just now they just need some splash players, right?Need another star on offense, another star 2-1 defense, and I'd go, watch out for Arizona going forward.
They got the meat and potatoes of their football team. Now it's time to get some sizzle.And I think that's kind of where they are in their world right now.
I'm going to borrow this from Stu Gatz.Game for your life.Best game Kyler Murray has or best game James Winston has.Wow.
Wow. I'd probably take Kyler Murray.Yeah.I'd probably take Kyler Murray, but, but you know, Jameis is capable of his potential and big games.I mean, he's thrown for 5,000 yards.
I mean, he's thrown for, he's led the NFL and touchdowns, but we know he's led the NFL interceptions.
I feel like a Jameis greatest game you've ever seen is going to be like four 54 touchdowns, but probably two interceptions and maybe a fumble that he recovered.Right.Right. right?Something like that.Sure.
Where Kyler's best game is going to be like three 55, three touchdowns, maybe one interception, but then also like four or five, like holy runs for like 80 or 90 yards.Right.And I just, yeah, that to me is a little bit more dangerous.
I'll I'll take Kyler there.
James would have a tackle in that game though, too.Yeah, you're right.
Well, one of those interceptions, he's going to go get somebody exactly right.
Does Kyle look taller when he's playing well?
Oh, Hey, yeah, he does.I think everybody feels that he looks taller when he's playing well.You know, I had a little fun with them last week, just on, on football day in America.I, we headlined it call of duty, right?
Cause of his, uh, his, his past with the contract stuff, but it was more in a, Hey, call of duty's gone.Duty is called and he's kicking ass.And that's kind of how I tried to frame it.And I'm, I'm glad to see, uh, Kyler having success.
Uh, Chris, just back to the bears.I know you picked them this week.You think they'll beat Arizona.Uh, but Caleb Williams last week, just 24 past attempts.Like it's time to take the training wheels off.Let the kid play.
Well, that's what's crazy is they did in the weeks leading up or prior to the bi-week and last week too, they couldn't get on a rhythm early on in the football game, but that was partly blamed of him.I will blame him.
And if you watch my Wednesday podcast, I showed a number of screenshots and plays throughout the game that he either missed the throw, or he made a bad decision, or he just predetermined, I want to make a big play.I'm throwing it deep.
And it's like, why?The guy's wide open right here. Or this guy's wide open over the middle, why are you throwing it at 400 miles per hour?Just complete the ball and steady lose control of it.It wasn't as good of a game plan by them.
I do think they were a little conservative early, but it wasn't like the training wheels that we talked about the first week or two. It just looked like training wheels a little bit because he did not play well.
Like I said, I really think he went into the game with an agenda.I'm going to show everybody that Jaden's not as good as me.I'm back in my hometown and home area.I'm going to show all my buddies and family in the crowd how awesome I am.
And when you do stuff like that and you don't just play the game and react, you get yourself in trouble.And that's what I feel like happened to him in this one.Because he's pressing, you're saying.He's thinking too much.He's just not playing.
He's pressing too much.He wanted to impress too much.He wanted to prove to you.Jaden Daniels isn't the rookie of the year.I am, right?All of those type of things.
I'm going to show everybody that I'm the man and that he's been getting all these headlines, but they're going to see I'm better today.And I'm back home where I played awesome high school football, was the number one recruit.
I'm going to show all my family, I'm the man.I'm going to throw for 400 today.And he tried too hard in that capacity and it snowballed out of control.
Sims, we had McShay on this podcast and he likened this upcoming quarterback draft class to the Kenny Pickett year.So there's not much help coming out.And this Sunday night, you've got Sam Darnold, who's on a one-year contract.
How much money do you think he's making himself this year by how he's playing?And the fact that if anybody wants a quarterback going into next year, he might be your best option.
Yeah.No, we're right now it's, it's cha-ching.Now it's got to continue.
Like it's gotten a little rough here as of late to where if it play, if he plays like he did the last few games, it's going to be back to, we'll give them a contract, but it's like a,
Hey, a holdover contract for a rookie we got or something like that, right?That's to me where he's got to play pretty high level football.
So he's not in that book or in that boat of like, hey, he's good, but we're not sure we want to give him the franchise.We just want him to hold it over for a year or two, right?
And if he plays phenomenal and plays like he did the first four or five weeks here down the stretch, then it's cha-ching, he's gonna break the bank and be a big-time starting quarterback.
But if it's a little bit like we saw the last few weeks with some mistakes and some misthrows and staying on the number one read too long, He's going to get a contract where we're going to go, oh, that's good money.
But yeah, you can see they're not buying into him long term.And that's where he's going to have to prove it to us that he's worthy of us going down the stretch.Now, as far as the quarterback stuff here, and you know I'm not into that mode yet lately.
I don't see anything that jumps out.I would already say it's better than the Kenny Pickett year.That's what I would say.Now, that was not a good year.I did not think Kenny Pickett was a first-rounder, any of that.
I like Malik Willis a lot, but he was raw as hell, and I was the guy that picked Matt Corral, and obviously that was not a good year for me as far as quarterback draft.But he had some elite—none of them—they all had problems.
I think that's the point of McShay. But where I think this is different, Jalen Milrow's special.The Alabama quarterback, don't just look at it and go, oh, they lost two games.It must be him.He is the whole offense.They don't run the ball that well.
And if he doesn't make great plays and great throws, they don't win games right now.He has gotten way better at quarterback over the last year.His arm is special.And it's very rarely he's not the best athlete on the football field.
I think he's going to be the number one pick.So I don't think there was anybody like that in the Kenny Pickett draft. The other one, I would say, Shadur Sanders, there was nobody like that in that draft either.
Shadur Sanders, oddly enough, is slow and below average athlete for 2024, which is crazy to say about Deion Sanders' son who, you know, Deion Sanders is the fastest guy I ever saw in a football field in my life.But
When I look at Shadur Sanders, you know who I think of?Doug Williams.In the pocket, tough as hell, throw lasers down the field, not worried about a tight window or getting hit, tough as hell.
So I look at those two and go, right away, I think those two guys are better than anybody in that Kenny Pickett draft.
Chris, a couple of quick ones.We'll get you out of here.
Tua, what'd you think last week?How'd he play? Well, he played good.Their offense is definitely better, right?But again, this is what I tried to say last week, right?Let's not forget, the first two games weren't all that wow on offense with Tua.
And that continued last week.The league is caught onto that offense.And then here's the other thing, too.When you don't throw the ball down the field and all that, it over-accentuates that the league is caught onto that offense.
Man, there was a lot of throws at the line of scrimmage, behind the line of scrimmage, not down the field, not attacking.I get that.They want to get him in a rhythm.They don't want him to hold the ball and take hits and do all that.
But are we going to sacrifice the win and the game plan every week just to protect Tua?Hey, Tua's healthy.Yep, we're 2-14, but he's healthy.Hey, we're 2-74 the last three games, the last 76 games, but he's healthy.
I mean, that's where I go, it's hard to play and win That way, that's what I worry about.They won, still don't stick with the run well enough.I mean, come on, they were running the ball at will.They still get two pass happy.38 passes for 234 yards.
That says it all, okay?That is hard.It's hard to win games when you're not making the team back up a little bit.It's hard when you could tell watching the game Stugatz, he's conscious of holding the ball and getting the ball out of his hands.
And can you beat Buffalo up in Buffalo?Like, oh, wait, it's collapsing.Let me get it out.I don't think you can do that type of stuff.So yeah, I'll be interested to see where this goes.I think Miami's defense is a little overrated.
I think Miami is invested into stars a little too much that I want to go there past their prime. And I think stars are down there, not because they want to play for the Miami Dolphins, but because they want to live in Miami.
And I just think there's issues of toughness, grit, everything there in Miami.Uh, and I don't expect them to win up in Buffalo this week.
Uh, me and Mikey were talking right before you came on.We were talking a lot before you came on Jalen hurts.Sneaky.Good year.Sneaky.Good Chris.Yeah.
Hey, yes.I mean, their offense is I say this every week and I've talked to defensive coordinators who have played them this year.I mean, it's a watch them this week.They do nothing.They run two runs on offense.
They run a handful of plays on in the past game. but it doesn't matter.They're better than everybody, right?That's all it is.
Teams go, wait, I know what run they're running, but I don't know if we can stop Barkley and the five all-stars they have at the offensive line, let alone Jalen might keep it around the edge, right?
So their formula is very simple, but the defense has gotten better and Their playmakers make plays.That's what they really are, right?That's what I look at them.They're not like, oh, surgical execute.I just go, it's just a matter of time before A.J.
Brown makes a play, Saquon breaks a run, Jalen breaks out of the pocket, makes a throw that way, all that.
I don't know if that's sustainable against the upper class of the NFL, but against the middle class and lower class, and that's who they've been facing as of late, yeah, it is sustainable, and they got it going, and they're still extremely tough and talented.
There's no doubt about that, Stu Gatz.The Rams are getting healthy here.They're getting their receivers back.Are you going to be surprised if the Rams win the NFC West?
No, I will.I won't be surprised.I don't know if I'd still pick.I still think I like the 49ers to win the NFC West.We know you do.In total.Yeah.Yeah.
I mean, you know, I'm a little biased, but no, truly on the football field, I think I really believe that as well.Right.I do.But the Rams are going to have something to say.Yeah.The defense is young.They're tough.They're coached well.
They don't have a ton of playmakers, but they know who they are and they play the right way.And then, like you said, I mean, Seattle's defense is not good.
If you look at Seattle throughout the year, whenever they've had to play any good offense with a good quarterback, they get torched.
I think they'll have a hard time stopping the Rams and that run game and the receivers being healthy and all that this week up in Seattle.I like the Rams to win the football game.Packers Lions, your thoughts.
Packers, Lions, I think it's going to be an offensive explosion.Really?Yes, I think so.Because I don't think either defense is, the defenses are good, but they're ultra aggressive.
And they kind of have a style of like what I told you about the Ravens.
The Lions and the Packers go, we're either going to create a turnover, it's going to be three and out, or you're going to go down and score in five plays, 70-yard drive and a touchdown.
But either way, our offense will be back on the field and we'll be attacking.They play the same style, and that's why they're dangerous and tough to stop. I just think Detroit does it better.And Jordan Love is yet to play A-plus football.
And then a week out of practice, I like Malik Willis, and I think even if he plays, it'll be a fun high-scoring game too.But I just, I trust Jared Goff and that offense more in the way the Lions are playing.
I picked them to win 38-28 up in Green Bay this weekend.
If I tell you everyone's healthy, are you telling me that San Francisco is the best team, top to bottom, NFC?Or is it Detroit?
No, I'm going Detroit.I'm not going.I think San Francisco's got Super Bowl hangover.I picked them to win the NFC West but be the fourth seed before the season started.I think that Super Bowl last year was devastating to them.
And as you kind of heard two weeks ago when they were getting ready to play the Chiefs, it was the first time really any of them had watched the game back, right?
So I just, between that, the injuries, all that, you know, they do have a little disease right now of like, games up at the end of the football games, whether it's special teams, stupid turnovers, whatever.
I think they're one of the more talented teams when healthy.But no, I would still take Detroit in that category.I would probably even take Green Bay if they're healthy and Jordan Love could kicking on all cylinders over over the 49ers right now.
I think I would.And of course, the Eagles would be close in that conversation as well.
All right.There's no way we were letting you get out of here without asking you this. Judge Volpe, Garrett Cole, or Aaron Boone?Who is Chris Sims most angry with today?
Aaron Boone.I mean, I'm mad at Aaron Boone.Why?
Boone, he's not out there playing in the field.
I mean.But this is the whole year.They were like this the whole, I've been telling my friends the whole year, they'll tell you.
yesterday, whatever, they suck at running the bases and they sucked in the field all year, but they were the best offensive team in football.So that high, that just covered flaws.They would win games eight to six during the regular season.
You'd go, man, we had four errors in the field today.We got thrown out a second, we got thrown out a third.
The other team stole 47 bases on us, but good thing a judge hit two home runs and Stanton hit two home runs and somebody else had a big hit and we won the game. That goes back to that.That's the culture there.
Now, like the Garrett Cole thing is crazy too.I mean, for his old school, awesome.He pitched amazing to not go cover first in that moment there.So weird.I mean, that was the, that was weird.It was weird.I don't even get it.
That hurt me last night.I woke up in the middle of the night, devastated.I'm not even, I'm not even lying.He was tired.Garrett Cole tapped out. I guess so.I guess he thought the ball was hit a little harder to first and all that.
But I mean, one, you know, Rizzo slow as hell.I would never depend on him for anything.Right.You got to get over there.I just, I just couldn't believe some of those errors in that inning and what they did.
You know, even with the score to go up six to five and jazz Chisholm stole second on that same play and almost got thrown out.Like, yeah, we got away with it, but that was stupid.What are you doing in that moment?Right.
That again, I just, yeah, I know it doesn't seem like it really matters.It's Cashman runs the Yankees and that's all there is that said about it right now.He runs the Yankees.He loves Aaron Boone and Aaron Boone's not going anywhere.I'm sorry, Chris.
No, no, exactly right.Well, anybody you listen to up here in the know in that department would just tell you that yes, Boone just says yes to whatever Cashman says, and that's Cashman likes that, and that's all there is to it, right?
Boom got blamed a little in game one about the reliever he brought in when they, you know, hit the starter.He brought in to be a reliever.Well, exactly right.Exactly right.
That is, I guarantee Aaron Boone had no call in that.From everything I know, from people even associated with the Yankees.I don't think he had any part of that decision.I think he's told who he's putting in there and he puts them in.
Are you saying that's just all there is?
Are you saying when the bullpen phone rings and someone picks up the guy on the other end is Brian Cashman? Is that what you think?
I think he has to, I think they have to follow like, Hey, if it's, we're going to the bullpen and these people are up, you have to pick this picture.If these people are up, you have to pick that picture.
I think Cashman and the analytics totally run the show there.And that's why it didn't work with at the end with Joe Torrey.It's why it didn't work with, um, Joe Girardi.Exactly.
Joe Girardi, because they were like, wait, I know way more baseball than you, Brian Cashman.Like it's not even close.And you want to tell me what to do all the time.So yeah, that's, that's what's going on there with the Yankees right now.
Much like Mike McCarthy for Jerry
Well, that's what everybody says.Like if you listen to people up here, too, they'll tell you in interviews with the Yankees and like Cashman asked 75 questions.Boone said yes, 75 times.That's that's all.That's all there is to it.
Anybody I talk to that knows anything or connected the Yankees, as I hear that from everybody and I've heard it from people within the organization.Yeah.I'm Chris Sims.I live up here in New York.I've known a lot of those kind of people.
My dad's Phil Sims.I know those kind of people.And that's the shit I heard. You're very angry, very upset.I'm bad.I'm pissed.That was going to be an awesome story.Yeah, right.It was going to be awesome.
There'd never been a game six forced by a team down three.Oh, it was all there.
We blew it.Well, listen, at least you could enjoy Soto in a match uniform.All right.
Yeah, right.I know.That's what's crazy now, too, is now we don't have enough money.Like we're we're like we're we're less we're less rich than the Mets and the Dodgers.Right.That's what's crazy.
It's like we got to get another owner in there with us.I mean, we just can't compete with the Dodgers seven billionaire owners.And and Steve Cohen has got unlimited money.It's shocking.Like, are we really going to let Soto go to another team?
The Mets of the Mets of the Dodgers.That's where he's going.Sorry, bud. I will be mad at the Yankees if they let Soto go.You're mad at the Yankees now for making it to the World Series?
Well, yeah, I am.Yeah, well, it was 5-0, and then it was zero earned runs, and they came back and made it 5-5.That's insane.That's insane.It's like watching my son's eighth grade baseball team.That's the s*** that happens in that game.
That doesn't happen with the Yankees in World Series Game 5.
Crazy, crazy s***. BFT with Mike Florio every day on peacock, the unbuttoned podcast.Check them out there at football night in America.A good game coming up this weekend.Chris, we appreciate it.
I'm sorry to send you into your weekend in a very bad and angry mood.So my apologies there. Any parting shots for one Billy Gill on your way out here?
Fuck you, Billy.I don't know what the, what are you going to buy Twix and Kit Kats right now?I mean, what did you have to do that was so important?I mean, geez, I just can't even believe it, Billy.I really am.I'm ashamed of you.It's very upsetting.
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Hey, what's going on?Mojo just sent me a message earlier asking me if I knew this guy Austin.Was the guy Austin the one who took the ball out of Mookie's glove?Is that why he was asking me that?I don't know.Was it Austin?Was that his name?
I don't know yet.I think it was.And if it was, yeah, mutual friends with him on Facebook.That's why I think Mojo was asking me if I knew the kid.If it is that kid, he went to University of Arizona and played hockey there with Chris and Rob.
So I don't know for sure, but Mojo was texting me.
Mojo, so someone explain this to me well, okay?Mojo, are you saying there's a possible connection to the two fans amongst this group, Gordon in particular, that there is a connection to the two fans who helped the Yankees win game four?Is that the?
What I'm saying is whoever casts God Bless Football does such an amazing job.The fact that they were able to procure both Mojo and Gordon Gronkowski Jr. For the show, it's the gift that just keeps on giving.The associations are endless.
I got a text from TMZ this morning and they were asking me, Mojo, do you know who Austin Papio Blanco or something is?And I said, no, who's that?They're like, you're literally Facebook friends with him.So then I looked it up and my mutual friends,
Gordy, Chris G, Rob G, Len G, Dan G, Big G, and all the other Gs.So I don't remember this gentleman, but putting, getting my detective hat on, I can just, by deductive reasoning, assume that Gordy and I probably partied with this guy about 50 times.
I don't remember it whatsoever.All right, so Gordy, do you have any recollection at all or no?
Yes, if that, I believe that is correct.Everything Mojo just said.The amount of times partying, not quite sure.Right.But yeah, Mojo has partied with him before.And I think I have his cell number.And I actually think I have his cell phone number.
Oh, get out of here.I mean, Gord, send him a text right now and see if he wants to come on, OK?He's a hero, all right?Tell him he's a hero.
There's three links on this gentleman's Facebook page, one of which is hottestcollegeparties.com.Oh, wow.All right.Let's make sure that's not, page isn't available right now.So, maybe that's old.
Let's see if it's- A defunct party school website is exactly the kind of person I expect you guys to be friends with.
I don't know whether to take offense to that or not, Mikey, eh?No, just be who you are.
Just be who you are.Yeah, don't take offense to that.
We love you.Be who you are.
Yeah, don't take offense to that.Why would you take offense to that?I mean, you were already doing it.
CollegeMansion.com, Gordy.
Oh, that was part of me, wasn't it?Gordy, wasn't that part of you, College Mansion?
Yeah, that was Harvey.I guess you're right.We have a history of this.Yeah.Oh, my gosh.All right.So who's going to reach out to this guy?I mean, someone can send me the number, and I'll reach out to the person.I don't know.
Hold on.Let me see if I have his cell number right now.
You're the best, Gordy.Don't crash.
Gordy, Gordy, you're driving.
Be careful, Gordy.Yeah, I know.But this is more important.All right, Billy was just getting in.
Well, at least he's friends with all the cops at the police station.So if he gets pulled over, he's good.
Yeah, are we in Detective Matt's jurisdiction again?Where are we right now?
We are actually going downtown Boston, which I am good there because I put the new Boston Fitness Centers in.So I will have no issues there.Anywhere outside of those two areas, very questionable.
Billy, did you hear what they were talking about as you were getting set up there, the connection to the two Yankee heroes?
I did.I did hear that.And I heard that he may or may not own or has an association to a defunct college parting website now. K-Funk, on the other hand, his picks have been defunct this year.They've been absolutely dreadful.
He had another week where he won zero games.Yeah.He's not over.His overall record is atrocious, not even borderline atrocious.It's completely atrocious.I've updated the standings, if anyone is interested in those.
After two horrendous weeks from Kay Funk back to back, he has plummeted in the overall standings.Now, we have an exciting development here.We have a new overall leader coming into last week.
Our leaders were Chris Humphries and Detective Matt at three and two.It seemed impossible that anyone would pass them now. Last week's performances, two people have surpassed the 600 win percentage mark of Chris Humphries and Detective Matt.
Our new leader on this season at four and one is the underdog with a weak 800 win percentage.Get out of here.Now, I'm not sure if the underdog is going to be making an appearance again.
Who is the underdog?It was a girl, Emily, that was with me in the car randomly.
She wanted to see the link.I want to send it to her.
OK, well, we'll send you the link.So the underdog is now in first place with an 800 win percentage in second place. is the Spreadmaster who had a 5-0 week and is now 24-14-2 on the season with a 6-25 win percentage.
Carl had an incredible run earlier this year where three out of four weeks he was 4-1.The Spreadmaster has had a more impressive run the past three weeks.
The Spreadmaster is 14-1 over three weeks with the only loss being missing the spread by one point with my own Green Bay Packers who still won the game.
And I just don't know if I am feeling better about being 14 and one which put that record up against anyone in the country.
or the world, really.I'm the spread master, so I'm the master of the spread.But I think what makes me even happier than that is the fact that Jay Funk has won in 14 over the last three weeks.
But in conjunction, this has created the most beautiful thing to ever happen to sports betting. Yeah, no doubt about it.
K-Puck, how can you say you're not 1-14?He goes opposite.Because I'm not.Because I'm not 1-14.But if he's 14-1, you have to be 1-14.
No, he's not.Guys, he's absolutely not 1-14.He's 1-15.Oh, sorry.My PA, my PA, my PA.You keep losing those.Those count.Yeah.
Now, if you guys remember correctly, last week was particularly tragic because Mojo joined us for about 35 seconds and said he would simply be taking the opposite picks of KFUNK.
So KFUNK was in complete control and at the end of the segment I offered KFUNK an option which we've never offered before which was K-Funk, we know you're struggling, you know you're struggling.
If you'd like right now, you can just, we can put in for you all of the opposite picks that you made for yourself and then we'll give Mojo your actual picks since you're struggling to see if this will turn things around.
And he said absolutely not and had an over five week.Now, That led to Mojo's 5-0 week.Also having a 5-0 week last week was ShareBear.I think it was our first double 5-0 weeks that we've ever had.
That has helped ShareBear jump above Kayfun in the standings.So just below Mojo, we have Carl, who's 19-15-1 with a 5-57 win percentage.Then Mike Rollins had a good week.He was 4-1 last week.He's 10-15 on the season.
Everyone did awesome except for Funk then last week.
Essentially, yeah.Gordy had a winning week.Gordy's had some struggles this year.Gordy so much so that Gordy asked us last week, don't share my schedule or don't share my standings.
I gave Gordy a 5-0 last week.I didn't get that option.
Hold on a second.Well, you've been bragging about your record the entire time.So we're going to continue to show that.Now, here's something that I will tell you.
perfect.No, in last place is the blackjack dealer at 0 and 1.But KFUNK has done himself no favor because he's decided that off air, he's going to continue to send us these college picks.And all of those picks keep losing as well.
KFUNK, in an effort to improve his win percentage, has made it a lot worse.So KFUNK actually went 0 and 7 last week.So KFUNK is 13, 27, and 2 right now with a 333 win percentage.
Gordie, unfortunately, I'm going to share it now just for frame of reference. it's fine.That's fair.1226 and two.So Gordy's half a game behind K-Fuck now, but within striking distance.All right.
Oh, I will tell you this.If Gordy gets a hold of the Yankee fan, Gordy gets five and O's the rest of the time.Okay.I mean, that's it.
I would like to add a little bit of color.
You've been talking the whole time.Just let me say something real quick.For one, we just, are we just totally right.I forgot about the world series pick I guess because mojo.
This is god bless football this isn't god bless baseball.
I don't care what kind of gambling picks I say on a group chat.That has nothing to do with the show.I also gave you guys Auburn Saturday night.That one won.Guess what?You're only counting my losses, I guess.
I didn't see that one.I know, but I was down so much money on your other picks that I didn't want to bet it.I was scared.
Oh, you're so mad, dude.Look how mad you are, bro.
Carl will be on my side.I think he's with Jimmy right now.College is out.Yes, I suck.I'm probably gonna suck this week, too, but I'm on my way up and up.
Well, no, you're not.You're on your way down, but that's fine.You are.
Hey, can't go anywhere.I gotta read a text thread here, now that I allowed Funk to say his piece.Okay.I just wanna highlight that it wasn't just Funk making awful, well, not awful, the worst picks.
It was also me making perfect picks, because Kay Funk texted me Wednesday, October 23rd at 1.06 PM, and he sent me his picks.And I said, I responded, this is right here, I can prove it to you.There it is.I wrote, perfect.
I was actually going to take the opposite.Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.And I said, legit. You already told us that on the show.It's out there.I was going to take those pics anyways.Documented.Sure.I'm sure you were, buddy.OK.
Well, he just texted you.He said he was going to take those pics anyways.
That's just texted.I texted this a week ago.So it was days before the games actually happened.
Yeah.Exactly. Starting to feel bad for K-Funk.I am too, actually.He looks like he hasn't slept in a month.He does.Drink a coconut water, K-Funk.
It's been three years I've been on top.You know what?I'm not scared.You think I'm worried about this?I'm not worried.
I've won every single season that I've done on this show.I think that's true.
OK, every full season.It doesn't count if I show up for two weeks and then someone else makes my picks the rest of the season.He's undefeated, man.
He's undefeated.Give him his credit.
He had a wedding in there, too.Yep.
he's also doing all of this while expecting his first child which is more commendable i would say multitasking yeah uh gordy do you have the number the cell phone number did you check um i'm trying to actually park at this high school i'm supposedly supposed to be training some uh
clients on their fitness equipment.So I'm very apologetic right now.I will definitely work on getting that.
I'm leaving this to Mojo and Gordy.If Gordy wants to get a hold of him, Gordy will get a hold of him.That's it.And Mojo wants to get a hold of him, he'll get a hold of him.That's it.We'll get a hold of him.That's it.We'll get him.
We'll expect him on next week.
I think that's the last time Kay Funk got a pick right yeah.
I'm going to be quiet this week.
I have a solution that I think I'm going to offer you for next week, should you want it.And should everybody here agree to this?Just because, like, I think, I think I decline your offer.
You haven't even heard it yet.
Hear him out.Listen, you're not going to want to hear this, but we all feel bad for you.It's just it's it's going terribly right now.So we all feel very bad for you.And we want you to stop counting. to a
maybe you can pick the games that we'll all be picking next week and then we'll be picking against your own selections.Just to kind of get you back on the right track here.
You know what, I'm okay with that because every week we got the same damn teams and I hate them all so yeah.
Well there's only 32.Yeah.
Can we stay with every week? You're picking the same teams.
Well, let's make sure let's make sure we're all good with this mojo.
Are you good with this?We need to stay within the sport of football You know, I'll even say it too if we need to make this college just to get Kay Funk back.It's not even fun anymore, right?Like, I'm worried about ratings because it's still locked.
His college picks aren't doing great either.I don't know if that helps him or makes sense.
His college picks have been atrocious in the text messages.So I don't know that college is going to help the situation.
Let's just have a quick vote here, though.
He picked the Yankees, I think, too.So his baseball picks have been off as well.
I took the Dodgers.What are you talking about?
As long as it stays within the sport of football, I don't care if it's like high school football, if it's like ankle biters for under 70 pounds, like whatever helps you the most.
So that's a yes from Mojo.Are you good with this?Yes or no?
I'm great with it.I'm great with it.
OK.Gordie, it's very stressed driving.That's what Boston and driving will do to you in that city.Gordie, yes or no?Simple yes or no?
I'm just yes. Okay, good.
Okay, there we have it.We're doing it, all right?All right, Kay Funk.Ask Underdog what she thinks and get back to us on it, all right?
Guys, can I add another thing here?Of course you can.It's your show, Mojo.Go ahead.Mike, is that okay?Maybe we all make our picks first, but we allow Kay Funk to have until, like, Sunday, 10 a.m.to adjust his picks.Third quarter.
I'm glad you brought that up, Mojo, because half of these things changed.
So now you're on his side, huh?I'm just trying to help him here, guys.By the two-minute warning, fourth quarter, you can change your picks, okay?
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But his larger point is correct in that we're picking games on a Wednesday that play on Sunday and things change.So I understand what you're saying.There's nothing we can do about it.
I find myself putting my money against my picks sometimes because the lines have changed, is what I'm saying.
you're going to win all your bets just publicly you lose all we're we're all making money going opposite.
We're all doing.You should.I feel good about this week I feel like you got a five and
We need to get somebody on the show next week because it might get bad if he has another week like this.Yes.Yes.
More needs to go Gordy.Commanders at Giants Giants plus three and a half at home.Will you take it.
I'm never going with the Giants.Danny Dimes hasn't thrown a touchdown pass in two years at home.
All right.So you're taking Washington all day.All right.Bears at Cardinals Cardinals minus one Arizona. Lions at Packers.Packers plus three and a half.Who you got?
Lions at Packers, Packers plus three?Yeah, plus three and a half, at home.At home, y'all, I'm taking the points.
All right, Colts at Vikings, Vikings are minus five at home, Colts going with Joe Flacco.
Dude, I love Flacco, I just don't think he can pull it off, he's getting too old, I'm going with Minnesota.
Okay, Buccaneers at Chiefs, Chiefs are undefeated, they are minus eight and a half at home, take it on, Baker Mayfield and the Bucs.
They do not blow out anyone.I'm taking eight and a half.
OK, Gordy, we appreciate it.Get to wherever it is you're going.
Thank you.Great job, Kay Funk.
Good job with the kids.Good job training the kids.Gordy, get the Yankee fans on next week if you can.All right, absolutely.OK, that'd be fun.
Hey, guys, actually, I got to run, too.I got to run in one minute.All right, so go.
Obviously, Kay Funk, right?Wait, wait, do I even have to say it?No, no, you don't. You're good.
You want to promote anything on the way out, though, Mojo?
My man!Here we go, baby.Opposite bunk for my picks.And to promote today, Once Upon a Coconut, guys.100% all natural coconut water.100% juice.The best stuff on the planet, endorsed by the whole show here.Check it out.Once Upon a Coconut.
And again, if it goes bad for Funk, we need to have a therapist ready for next week's show.We do.We'll get a therapist.It's getting scary in here, guys.It is.
It's a great idea, actually.It's a great idea.
It's not just because it's Halloween.Like, I'm very scared over here for Funk, so.
All right.All right, Mojo, we appreciate it.We know you have places to go, people to meet.So we appreciate it, buddy.Thank you.
Funk, I appreciate you.Thanks for being so bad at your picks.We're having a great time with this.Love you, buddy.You're welcome.I got you this week, too.You're good.OK.OK.
You're welcome for the coconut water deal, too.
Let's get to the picks.ShareBear, going to you.Commander, Billy, do you have Carl's picks?
I do have Carl's picks, yes.
All right.So Commanders at Giants.Giants are plus 3 and 1 half before we get to ShareBear.Who did Carl Douglas take, Billy?Carl has the Commanders.All right.ShareBear, who are you taking?
I'm going to go with the Giants.I'm going to go with the Giants.Take the points.
All right.And Kay Funk, who are you taking, which will dictate whose mojo is taken?
Yeah.I mean, the Giants have screwed me four weeks in a row.So what am I going to do?Give me the Giants.Let's do it.OK.
Don't worry.I'm a little nervous now.I'm a little nervous.Yeah, I would be too.
Chairman, I'll give you five seconds to change your pick.
Hey, K-Funk's gonna turn.I'm gonna stay with K-Funk.I'm gonna stay with K-Funk.I like that.
Right, he's due.I like that.All right.Bears at Cardinals.Cardinals are minus one.K-Funk, who you taking?
the bears here I don't like it became the bears.All right.
It's like a wrestling.I love it I love it I love
It's like taking a dollar price is right.It's like dollar, you know I'll protect him.I leave.Okay.Fuck.You need a friend, man.I mean, share bearer.This is an alliance.
Who is Carl Douglas taking this game?Billy Carl has the bears of this game.All right, let's go to a lions at Packers.Good game.Big game Packers plus three and a half at home.Go ahead.Kay.Fuck.Are you taking, I'll take the pack at home.
Isn't it bobblehead day this week or something?
Who does Carl have?Carl has the Lions.Okay, let's go to K-Funk.I'm starting with you every time, so you know.Let's go to Colts and Vikings.Vikings, minus five at home, coming off a loss.Colts going with Joe Flacco.K-Funk, who are you taking?
I'm going with Flacco.Give me the points there.
I was 100% gonna go with Flacco as well.I really was.I love this.
Carl, who's Carl taking?Carl has the Vikings in that one.Okay, final game, boys.Bucs and Chiefs.Chiefs minus eight and a half points at home.Chiefs are undefeated.Who are we taking here, K-Puck?
This is a tough one.No receivers for the Bucs. give me the box.Give me the book.
That is the worst.Like in terms of myself into a bet, that is the worst I've ever seen.They have no receivers.
Give me the box.I never go against my homes either, but you know what?Hey, wait, what am I gonna do? It's a new K-Funk.It's a new K-Funk.
I'm going to give Funk a chance to get even, but I want to at least be an extra game ahead.Oh, here we go.So I'm going to do what Carl says.Never bet against the Chiefs.I'm going to go with the Chiefs.There you go.Oh, wow.Wow.Here we go.
Hold on a second.I have some information for you, ShareBear.They're all the worst.No, Carl went against the Chiefs there.He picked the Buccaneers, so you're following his lead.You take the Bucs also.All right, ShareBear.
I'm going to go with the Chiefs, though.OK.
All right.All right, K-Funk, do you want to go Chiefs here or what? I'll give you one chance.
I'm gonna stick with my dog, Carl.If Carl doesn't have faith in my homes, F them, dude.
Listen, your dog is ShareBear.Carl's in this for himself.He don't give a **** about any of us, man.
Hey, Carl loves me, bro.Don't get it twisted.Carl's my bro.
All right.Now, Kayfun.Yes, sir?You wanna keep these picks, yes?
I told you.I feel like this is gonna be another bad week, but I'm not worried.It's week nine.I'm fine.I got another 10, 12 weeks left in me.
I don't know how much ground you're going to make up at this point.You're slipping now.
You'd be surprised.You'd be surprised.
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