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Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jelly Roll.
You know, two people to get hated the most is handsome people and fat people.You're handsome and I'm fat.We should really relate to each other.Getting the choke slam awesome theory.Dude, that was sick.It was so good.MGK and Megan Fox.
I pull up on them.I'm like, do you want a ride?I just kept on walking.
And you mentioned that everyone hated you.And I don't know if you were joking or if you were serious.I was dead serious.So now everyone loves you.And I've had the opposite journey.
I also, man, between us, I don't know if I want to go that deep, but I still have to fight the, like, do I want to get up some days?You know what I mean?Like, I don't know.
got a haircut on the last episode.
Yo, just the episode before this.Yeah.Fire.I feel like I missed all the good.You got equity in a company.He got it.It was a big, it was a big episode.
That last episode, he was talking about his kid.We talked about Moodang the hippo.You did you see him?You know, Moodang is a big deal.Big deal.We also talked about death by nitrogen.Uh, Nitrogen gas.
Really?Yeah.Euthanasia in America.
Let's kick this off the right way.What are your thoughts on euthanasia?Do you have your PR team with you?I can't.
Yeah.No, she just left.We're actually wide open.In fact, I can put this podcast out whenever you want to and make no edits.She's gone.
The cat's away.The mice will play.Burn it down. Who you voting for, Mike?No, just kidding.
No, I'm sure you are.You're a new dad.
The dad thing is pretty tiring.
They were right.Oh my gosh, I'm tired.Let me intro you.Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jelly Roll.
I love the show.I've been watching y'all a long time.I'm like every other guy that has had a YouTube channel since YouTube started.So yeah.
Thank you, man.I appreciate that.That means a lot.I want to say something to you right off the rip. We've crossed paths a couple of times backstage, WWE, usually the big events, the PLEs.
And we've always said what's up, but I've not actually sat down and got to have like any sort of real conversation with you.And a part of me feels like bad about that.Like I regret it because from what I hear, you're the best person on the planet.
is what they say.He is a positive force of nature.Before this episode even starts, this is going to be one of the most important and amazing episodes that ever comes out.
I'm just going to set the expectations right now because he is one of the most positive and amazing people that exists in this world.I have not met one person who knows this man that does not speak of him in the highest
Of nature and that's got to make you feel good knowing that it wasn't probably always the case No, dude, i'm honored because anybody who knew me before like five years ago would only shit on me Yeah, they would just be like I hate that y'all love this guy.
He's such a bad human.So it's like To work my way from that being the situation like when I used to walk into rooms like it was instantly a downer
I felt the energy shift, like dogs didn't like me, kids didn't like me, cats didn't like me, like it was bad.Cats don't like anyone.Yeah, for sure, dude.And so yeah, for people to say, yeah, so that means a lot that people speak highly of me.
Do you think that that was actually, because I can, a lot of the stuff that you're going to say today I can relate to, which is cool, which is why I'd love to be sitting down with you.
Do you, and I know you're going to the, on the WWE side, but no, you don't, you don't know that.Cause I wasn't, I wasn't.Okay, fine.Do you, do you still believe that ever?
Do you, and, and have you learned whether or not that was actually true or was that something that your mind was telling you? Which is that I wasn't gonna be- That when you walked in a room, people thought- No, no, no, no.
It was true.It was true, man.Because this is a true story.When I first got out of jail, we stopped at the closest gas station, which is kind of just a trend of like, I want to go get whatever they have that I couldn't get.
It's like freedom, freedom, right?A gas station is like the epitome of freedom when you're out of jail.You're like, I could get whatever.I don't even remember.Whatever candy they didn't have on commissary, you know?
And I walked up and this, I swear it's a true story.I'm standing at the counter and I've got like $6 to buy whatever soda I'm getting and something else and a pack of cigarettes.
And this little girl, like maybe two year old child just comes and hugs my leg.Dog, I don't want to get emotional this early in the podcast, but when I tell you before that point, kids cried when I looked at them.Like dogs ran away from me.
Like I was like, Maybe it happened.I was like, maybe this shit that I'm telling myself that just happened in jail is really happening.Went home, I was with this chick.She had a dog.Dog loved me. Love me more, I mean, swear, love me more than her.
It was like crazy, it's crazy.The cat loved me, it was fucking nuts.I'd wake up, the cat would be asleep on my face.It was totally different.
Did the little girl confuse you for her father?
No, no, no, no, no.I didn't look like nobody daddy.I can tell you that, dude.So nobody looks like you?No, no, at that time I was 24 years old and I looked like I was finna steal something.
What do you think it was about the time inside that, how long was that stint?
I did a couple years too, I guess two and a half, maybe three that time.
What do you think it was about that time that shifted your appeal to others?
Well, I had a woman pregnant whenever I was free.So she had had the baby when I was born, so that was my daughter.That was the birth of, ooh, ooh, great parallel.Let's go.Great parallel.So this was my first child story.
I was incarcerated and they knocked on my cell door and told me that she was born.
And I know it sounds crazy, but it was like a light switch happened in my head right then that I was like, and I think it was the pressure of that moment that caught me too.Cause you're like, I'm worth like $32 in potato chips and honey buns.
That's like what my life is worth.And like seven packets of paper, three pins, six pair of boxers, five t-shirts, two jumpsuits.That's all I owned.One outfit with like a $10 bill in the pocket that I'd had hidden in a,
Watch pocket to the police didn't confiscate when they arrested me.
That's all I had and I was like and I'm a father And I just like felt guilt and I felt shame my whole life and guilt but never like this And I was like, I got to figure this out and I immediately I wouldn't get my GED while I was still in jail I've been in jail a year and some change at that point had done nothing but play poker and get in trouble and
And imagine how they felt in that jail when I woke up one day, I was like, I would like to go to the educational unit.And they was like, yeah, fucking right.We're going to bring you up.You've done nothing but cause us a problem.
I'm like, please, sir, I'm a change man.They're like, and I bet God came and seen you in your cell last night.
I was like, he did.I have a kid and I want to change.
So it's crazy.Talk about a disparity or difference between two like ways of coming into that fatherhood.
But watch this though.Same feeling.
Hmm.He, he knows.Cause I just iterated that on the last podcast. You don't understand until it happens.And I was trying to understand, because everyone told me, your life doesn't start until now.And I felt like I had a life.Now I don't so much.
I've been saying, fuck the next chapter.This is a new book.This is dad mode.It's a complete shift.Do you feel like you owe your life to your daughter? because of the way she affected yours?
Oh, 100%, man.But what I know as a father is that we owe our life to our children anyways, but especially the way she affected mine.You know what I mean?
But I can also tell you that the biggest curse we can give our children is an unlived life of our own.So always keep that in mind, too, while you're doing the balancing act of being super dad, but also being super Superman.You know what I mean?
That sometimes Clark Kent had to exist so Superman could.
Do you think she was the catalyst for, for the shift in you?It sounds like that was like the thing.
It was for sure.Really?100% her.It was like immediately like, okay, I got to start applying these things.
So then I'm also curious because you know, it, it, what you're describing, let's go, let's say what's her name.Bailey.Pre Bailey and post Bailey are like two different versions of yourself. 100%.
And just hearing you now, it sounds like the pre Bailey, pre Bailey version of yourself was resonating at like a low frequency.And, and, and dare I say negative aura.
But it's like, you know, L Riz type shit, but, but, but, but it, you know, that, that, that can be felt that your energy is contagious.And, and, and D was it as simple as.
flipping that switch where, you know, now like a random little girl's coming up and hugging your leg.Like it can be felt is what I'm saying.It resonates.It can be felt by other people, like animals, dogs, you're mentioning.
Yeah.And I did a lot of work too.You know, I describe it as a light switch moment, but man, it's been tons of work that went into that moment.Right.Like the moment that was the moment that made me go, I want to change.Okay.
And that was, but the work after that boy, I mean, it was a, it was a barefoot race up a glass heel.You know what I mean?
But, um, he, he, the number of analogies he's going to have is going to blow your mind.He told me when I met him at, at summer slam for the first time, right.Is that what it was?He said, um, it used to be so bad.I could walk.
It could be raining pussy and I'd get hit by a pecker.And now I could run blindfolded into a forest and not run into a tree.Cause that's how much his life has changed.
And see the stuff, it takes me a second to react to this because of all the crack smoke.But I think, I think, listen, we'll, we'll talk about so many things today, but I think more than anything, You are an example of comeback and of redemption.
And you know, obviously that's something that I pride in myself a lot too.And hearing a story about having your child well incarcerated,
to the average ear seems like a wild way to have a kid, but it's actually a story that probably happens quite often to a lot of people out there.And I think that you've become a symbol and an icon to those people that they can achieve greatness.
I mean, I look at the past week of your life.You're sitting here with us today.You did Saturday Night Live on Saturday.Insane.You were on Fallon last night.
You're touring every night, everywhere selling.MSG Friday before Saturday, sold out.Crazy, crazy week.I got a show tonight.I'm living here.
I don't even have to ask this.Could you ever have imagined?
No.Goodness, no.I've been joking about this all week long with people because somebody sat in there and laughed and said, was this your dream?And I was like, who is so cocky that they dreamed they were going to be on Saturday Night Live?
Like I wasn't brave enough to dream of being on Saturday Night Live.First, the idea that I could even do it didn't hit my radar until this year. You know, does that make sense?
And then it was like, even if you'd have told me last January, you might do Saturday Night Live this fall, I'd be like, ha ha.You know what I mean?This year I was like, oh really?This could be a thing, you know?
So yeah, dude, I never even dreamed I would.We were leaving Central Park, and I posted this somewhere.We were leaving Central Park, going to Saturday Night Live.We had a police escort, I'd just played Global Citizen.
And I'd done MSG the night before.And I was like, it was a moment where you're like, what's really happening right now?Like, this is different.This is not, you know, this is not normal.This is not normal for us.
So yeah, I've had the best weekend ever, dude.Thanks for bringing it up.Sounds like a great weekend.
Congratulations.Thank you.That is fucking awesome.
It's so crazy.Cause like when I look at you and like, I think probably, probably most people, you fit.You're right where you belong, and I mean that.
I think when I see creators, artists pop up, and I'll definitely say you popped up on everyone's radar pretty recently.I was like, yeah. I don't know, it was a familiarity that I felt.
And to me, it seems obvious that you're in this position that to you maybe wasn't so obvious at some points.You obviously have the talent, you have the look, you have the charisma and energy, but
Why didn't you see it?I think I was still struggling to see past who I was, not who I am.I kept getting stuck in this like shame spiral of just not being able to find my way out of who I was.
And there were so many things that I had to go through to start breaking those little patterns.Like I was thinking about it when we were following the police.
I was like, even my relationship with law enforcement, it took a long time to like, I love police now.Like when I see them at my shows, like they hug me, I hug them.I started collecting their challenge coins.I think it's cool.
I have a wall dedicated to it.I think it's so cool that they give me these challenge coins, you know?And it's like, I was literally a decade, you know, 14 years ago, You know, I mean, I think I own the fuck the police shirt.You know what I mean?
It's like I was so against, I had to change so many different, I had to look at everything of life Logan differently, Bubba.I mean, a lot of people who haven't experienced that don't get it.
I think that's one of our kinships is, I'm sure you were the same, like I can't look at, I mean, how I wiped my ass wrong. I did, you know what I'm saying?Like I was just, just did everything.I had to reassess it all.
It seems like a different life now.It's a totally different world.And he asked you about, or you were just speaking about like having trouble forgetting it.
And I, I was going to ask you, you know, to tap on, tack on top of that.How do you practice making sure you fucking remember it?Because, because I'll have days where I'm, where I'm, I get in a fight.
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With my assistant in my $5 million house in the hills, and I'm like, man, fuck this day, bro.And I get in my RSQ8R, $250,000 car, and I fucking speed down the street, and I forget that the last, you know, exactly what you said 14 years ago,
I was driving a 1996 Ford Escape to the gas station and putting $1.26 in the gas tank.You remember putting fucking less than $2 in the gas tank?
How shitty that felt knowing that you were going to have to try to figure out how to find another dollar to put in the gas tank to get to the methanol clinic?
This is even deeper than just $1.60.If you've ever been in a place in life where you put a certain number in the gas tank, You know what I mean?
Like I didn't, I remember the first symbol of success for me was the first time I swiped a debit card and was like, I'm gonna let that motherfucker go.You know what I'm saying?
Like, and I remember watching it the whole time, butt cheeks clenched a little bit.You know what I'm saying?Stomach still tilting.I had a little money in the bank by then, but I was still like, Ooh, it takes $80 to fill this drink up.
I would have never known.I've only done 50 at a time.You know what I'm saying?So like those were the moments.And yeah, coming from those moments, you're right though.But something else I had to learn was identifying emotions.
Because my first problem was, one, there is a space, like recentering yourself and your gratitude in that moment of like, why am I tripping out on my assistant? this is my life, this is unrealistic, right?
Where it took me long enough to just go, what was the root of the problem, right?Because for me, it just always was anger.It didn't matter what it was.No matter what happened, it triggered an anger.
And then I would ruminate in it, and I would just get angrier.And I would just get madder and madder, and I would fester and just spiral.And it was just the never ending.So I still have those days where I have to re-anchor.
But now I'm just more honest now.And I wake up and be an asshole some mornings, and then double back and be like, hey, man, My bad.
I just did that.I just rectified this morning.
Yeah.It's like the text.Yeah.No, I have to, I have to do it all the time because what I've learned is I hate to go back to like cliche shit, but halt hangry. Angry, lonely, tired.You know what I mean?
It's like- We got a bunch of drugs.I've never heard that.Wait, we got a bunch of shit.
That's amazing.Yeah.I'm tired.Yeah.That's big.Halt.Pause.
Pause, bro.You're just tired.
That's awesome.Halt.I'm just tired.You find yourself getting a little snappy or not feeling something the right way and you halt.Hold on, am I hangry? Am I hungry?Am I angry?Am I lonely?Am I tired?You know what I mean?
And I started having just little things like that and just hit them.A lot of the time, for me, it's tired. You know, my dude knows I'm a bear.If I'm super tired, but I also know that my food addiction kicks in when I'm the tiredest.
When I'm the most tired is when I crave the most food, is when I can't fill myself up.When I'm tired is when I wanna go have a drink, when it's when I wanna do cocaine.I'm the most vulnerable.Keeps you tired.
Because when you try to sleep after you eat or you drink your sleep suffers Why are you digesting food?
You're fucking your whole system up So you just got that downward spiral that you described earlier is that can happen pretty easily and I I think being aware of that
for someone like you who's like, you know, you, you lived it is, I mean, that's so important because then you can stop, you can halt.
That's it.I can halt.I can go, all right, what am I tripping about?You know what I mean?Now, admittedly, sometimes I should have halted four hours.You know what I'm saying?I'll be five.I'll be a full, I'll be three days into a need of a halt.
You know what I'm saying?Before I halt.You're in court.You're like, oh, it's too late.
It's like, hold on.I was just hungry and tired.
Well, especially this lifestyle you're living now, as you know, you could do it a lot.
This is so good by already.This is what I hope this would be.It's real shit.There's so much.I was like, yay.
I was going to ask you, you walked in with Miles.Yes.Because you've been talking about ongoing work.You've been talking, you said, Hall, getting in tune with your emotions.And I wanted to ask you how much of that is continuing to come in.
I bring up Miles because I just went to Onsite.
Man, I had a real serendipitous journey there, bro.I told Miles about it, but some crazy shit happened on the way, and I'll give you the abridged version.
But another singer from LA had told me about Onsite, which is this magical retreat in the hills north of Nashville, which works on addressing trauma.People that are hurt, which a lot of us are, all of us are.
She told me about it, I put it in the bag for two weeks.I see you at SummerSlam.It came up in conversation.You said, brother, that place saved my life.True story.Two weeks after that, I bring up Carl Lentz.
Pastor Carl Lentz, who we had on the show four years ago.I brought him up in conversation with my girlfriend.Not one hour after I brought him up, after not seeing him for four years, he appeared before me.
He appeared before me at the Rosewood in Montecito.I was having lunch with my girlfriend. I brought up on-site to him.He said, brother, that place saved my life.Actually?Yep.Verbatim.He said, saved my marriage.
He said, fixed, fixed a lot of things that I was working on.
I left that.I flew to Miami and went to a church called VU Church in Miami, Pastor Wilkerson. sent him a message how great his sermon was, which was a sermon on healing and the importance of healing.
Maybe you're not evil, maybe you're just empty, and you need something to fill it up, you need Christ to fill it up.I sent him a message, I said, hey, your sermon was very powerful, I appreciate that.He said, how long are you in Miami for?
I said, till Thursday.He said, oh, cool, I'm going to Nashville on Thursday.I said, I'm going to Nashville on Thursday.What flight are you on?He said, 137 PM American.I said, what seat are you in?No way. 2A, 2B.I was seated right next to him.What?
On the way to On-Site.In which I said to him, hey, I'm going to On-Site.He said, I've heard great things about that place.
It saved a lot of lives.And before I got off the plane to go to On-Site and drive the hour from the airport to the place, he said a prayer for me.He's an incredible man, Pastor Wilkerson Jr. out of voodoo church.
So all of these serendipitous things led to me, met me to Hansa, you being a part of it.And I had an incredible experience there.
I got to do equine therapy with horses and learn how to be present in the moment because horses don't allow you to be not present.There's a massive animal next to you who if you daze, who knows?
That's a wildest animal, by the way.It's just, let me tell you something about horses.They're, they're all wild. Even the ones that are, they're just tame.It doesn't mean they're not a wild horse.
They're just, they have agreed to let you do this, but it's an agreement.It's not, that's what makes horses so special.You also heard about their heart size too.Four times the size of a human.
Touching on that, kind of like the serendipitous nature of like signs, if you want to call it, like the universe speaking to you. Are you at all in touch with that kind of ether?
Yeah.Yeah.What he was just saying, I was going to say that whole journey of his, to me sounds like the alchemist.
Right.It's like, uh, the idea that when he went all this way out of his way to find out what he really needed was behind him, he didn't hit a closed door on the way home. You know what I mean?
It's that thing of like, when we're doing right, the universe conspires for us, I truly believe.I'm telling you, I hit nothing but brick walls my entire life.I have not ran into a closed door in 36 months.
God bless you, and I hope it stays that way.Because as someone who has had both, and you mentioned in the beginning of this podcast that everyone hated you, and I don't know if you were joking, if you were serious.I was dead serious.
So now everyone loves you, and I've had the opposite journey. Everyone loved me, and now they hate me.
You've only gotten smarter, brother.That's it.Which is so true.
And I'm partially being facetious, but not. The more I simply exist, the more people know about me, which gives them the opportunity to choose what they like or don't like.And I have had the ups and the downs and the doors have been hitting me, dude.
And also I've been running through the fucking doors.It goes both ways.So it's sort of a question and like, it feels, I'm not going to give you advice because you already know this man, but like,
truly cherish the positive moments where there isn't a worry in the world and the world is blessing you?Because there may be a day, as you know, where like you do have that feeling again of whatever it is, impending dread, doom.
Are you prepared for that?Are you just trying to stay positive about it?Are you aware that You know, because let's let's be real, Mr. Roll.Can I call you that?
Oh, I prefer jelly, but I'm on your podcast.
You know, let's be real, Joey.Like my good things can be stripped from you in a second, in one second.And like I've had it happen.
How do you we have built in defense mechanisms?No, seriously, by way of prison and drug addiction.
Yeah, it's just it's just they take away. We, not to speak for you, but we've been in the gutter, like actually.
And I know you don't want to go back, because you know what it's like.No, for sure.And also, like, man, make no mistake, shit's falling apart for me every day.When I say I haven't hit a closed door, I mean, it's just the faith.
I'm just still walking in the right direction, knowing it's worth it.I get shit kicked in my face every day.That's part of it, right?And I'm honest with people to tell you that I wake up in the morning and I have to spend real time
fighting a monster inside of me, Logan.A very dark one.Like I have to wrestle this guy and really, really, really get into my prayer closet and my faith and my wife and communicate and be vulnerable.This is before I pick up the phone.
You know what I mean?Like, I know that about me because I know that if I don't, you know what I mean?I know the risk that I am to myself and other people.So it's like, trust me, it's just the way that I approach it.
I know, listen, I'll give you the most recent example, but once again, how the universe still worked.My dream was not, my dream, once they gave me Saturday Night Live, I was like, yo, a skit is gonna mean as much to me as singing.
Like, that's the big deal.That's the chance to show that I'm more than a singer.It could open up a thousand other doors.This is the biggest program ever.It's just Saturday Night, We're there Friday, and they go, got you in a skit.Colin wrote it.
I'm like, oh, it's a Colin skit.This is going to be fire.And we come in for dress rehearsals, and we shoot the skit.And you know how dress rehearsals are.I've never done Saturday Night Live, so I'm learning all this.Over for time.Skit gets cut.
You know what I mean?You're just like, ah, but you're still like, man, fuck, I'm singing on Saturday Night Live.So you're just so like, whatever.Skit still went on YouTube, still went up, still got the virality I hoped it would.
It's the only skit that got cut that made it on YouTube.It shows me I was seen.Lorne Michaels praised me for what I did in the skit.
Colin thought I killed it.
You know what I'm saying?So it's like, even if the skit wouldn't have got seen, it was a small W for me.You know what I mean?But it's like, I'm just learning how to pivot and look at them different.It's also about how I started looking at things.
I started looking at things through the lens of love, man.Sometimes you can run into the door and you just got to look at the door and go, what, you know, where's the love at in this?
And as long as I can find the love in it, I can take any shitty situation to figure it out.You have haters?Of course.Fuck, dude, I'm a fat dude.Watch the comments.It's finna happen. Yeah, I'm fat with a pretty wife.
You think there ain't somebody in here right now, but do I have haters?Come, bubba.You know, two people to get hated the most is handsome people and fat people.You're handsome and I'm fat.We should really relate to each other.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what I tell MGK all the time.I'm like, you're fashionable.I'm not.I'm fat and frumpy.You're tall and skinny and cute.And that's fucking how we connect.Cause they hate you for that.They hate me for this.You guys, you guys didn't always connect.
No, no, no, no, no.I was a hater.
Because he's fashionable.But you guys are, you guys are pretty inseparable nowadays.
And I love that guy, man.I love, I love him, man.I love where his heart's at right now.I love that the world's getting to see his soul.
I sat down with him a few, uh, earlier this year and had a conversation with him when I was like, Hey man, I think that you haven't, maybe executed telling your story the right way.
I was like, I think you've allowed the art to do all the talking and the headlines.
And the art's incredible and we get it, but you know, between the fashion and the headlines, it kind of, you know, I was like, if people knew your soul and the change you've had and the man you've become, I was like, I think the whole world would look at you, you know, different, as if you're not wildly successful anyways.
Like y'all's pod, like how vulnerable, like how honest to see that in you.You know?
When you tell your story for the first time, I think it's, it's, I would say, I think he was a bit nervous.
I was going to say this.I still don't think the world has really seen Colson.
No, not like, not the way he's just starting to chip the surface though.He's just now getting comfortable enough sitting here and having long form conversations.Cause you've hung out with him.Like I have, I love him.
He's the sweetest, funniest dude ever.He's also goofy.
He's the goofiest.And he's so, he's hilarious.He's hilarious.And you know what I think it is?
I think the industry that he's in, like white hip hop artists, if you don't appear a little jaded and a little hard, I wonder if in his head, maybe that would, people's perception of him may change.
And I think that, I don't know, I don't wanna speak for them.
It's starting to happen.It's starting to happen though.You can feel the thing coming to.And there's also just a little bit of Cleveland For sure.It's like a little bit of you.Y'all got a little fuck you in y'all.That's just being from Cleveland.
I've been to Cleveland.That's how Cleveland, that's kind of the charming part of the city.
He's from, he's from really from actual Cleveland.I'll be honest, I'm from Westside, dude.It's a suburb.
It's a suburb outside of Cleveland.I just say Cleveland.It's like Franklin being from Franklin.Okay.Yeah.Yeah.
But still, it's like Cleveland people are like, you know, they're very prideful people and they're very like, fuck, you were from Cleveland kind of people.
It's fun to watch that come out of him.Like I'll be talking to him, sweetheart, goofy, fun Colson.And then that hard side does come out.
No, 100 percent.It happens.His fangs.Actual fangs, by the way.Yeah, he's got the big babies.He's got them chompers.
He said on our podcast that you still drive everywhere when you can.You're still personally driving yourself to the venue to, by the way, headline an event.And you're parking your car.Why not get a driver?
Man, I don't know.I'm from a place where I always drove myself.I don't know why I wouldn't.I think it's like That's been the hardest part of being successful is things change that you're like, but why would this change?
And some things have a really good reason.And when it really came down to having a driver, I just couldn't figure it out.I just couldn't really put a good reason.And I get in the car, and it's my time.I listen to my demos, my music.
I call my wife or my brothers.I'm a real family guy and have private conversations.And I do the speaker phones because I'm law abiding citizen these days, you know what I'm saying?So it's like, yeah, I just like it, man.It's cool.It counts.
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Always joking.So it's funny because I pull up on Kel's and it's like a movie on Grammy night.I'm like, hop in!And he's looking around like, huh?But he's just as weird as I am because we're at Stagecoach this year.
And listen, I'm pulling out of Stagecoach and him and his girl and Baze and his two homies are walking down. the main street of Stagecoach trying to find where they parked.I was like, I pull up on him.I'm like, are you okay?
He's like, nah, man, we're just trying to find where we're going.I was like, do you want a ride?This is MGK and Megan Fox, dude.He's like, no, we're straight.And she looks up, she's like, we're cool.And I just kept on walking.
I turned around and I guess somebody came and picked him up by then, but I was like, how long were they all out there?He's like, I don't know, 15 minutes, just fucking off.
That's why, that's why, that's why he's great.And that's probably why you guys get along.It's like, there's still a semblance of normalcy given this extremely abnormal life that you guys are living.
And you're lucky that, uh, I don't, you know, I, I, that happened to me.I, I think I'm like, at least now, especially like relatively normal in real life.Cause I'm a dad and stuff because I've been humbled.Right. Like, really humbled.
And I've taken that as an opportunity to, like, become a person again, which I like.And that's certainly why you and Colson, I think, are partial buddies.
Yeah.Well, my heart hurts for guys like you and Kells for a little bit of this reason of...
I was afforded the luxury of, because my hardships were an advantage in the aspect of, I was afforded the luxury of I didn't have to do all my growing in front of everybody.For sure.Same with you.Yeah.You know what I mean?
It's like, we've had to really watch, I've been watching Kel's his whole career.I've been watching most of yours.Like I said, I started on YouTube.My first thing I ever uploaded song-wise, any platform, was on YouTube.I was a YouTube kid.What year?
My daughter's 16, so this was 15 years ago.I'm sorry I'm so bad at math.
Yeah, that's generation one, basically.
I'm thinking 08, 09.I put it to you this way.You're going to get this.A lot of people don't.And I'm going to pop quiz.Let's go.The first thing I ever uploaded on YouTube was called the 10-minute freestyle. Can you guess why it was 10 minutes?
Probably had a max duration.Yes, sir.Nobody gets that.Back then, YouTube would only let a 10-minute and 17-second video go up.We called it the 10-minute freestyle, but it was really 10 minutes and 17 seconds.We had a 25-minute one.Did it just end?
Yeah, we just, yeah.At 10, 17, it just stopped.We were chopping it up, and at 10, 17, it just hard outs.Yeah, for sure, yeah.Dude, I'm so curious about your talent.
Talent in general kinda, It makes me really curious because you very clearly have a God-given talent.Singers specifically, artists, you're born with your voice sounding a certain way that appeals to a lot of people.
I guess, without being a fucking dickhead, With a talent like yours, how did you not become successful sooner?
Oh, I was in the right room with the wrong furniture. That was the problem.I was writing the right kind of songs.I was saying the right things.I've been consistent in my message and who I am for a decade now, right?
This has been the better part of my last, especially eight years since I got married.That really was the beginning of me being like, I want to get together.Because real love will just have you want to change things.You know what I mean?Yeah.
I just couldn't, I just started, and I kept feeling it getting closer, and then the furniture started getting right, but I was always in the right room.I think it was Save Me was the beginning of it.
I put a song on YouTube called Save Me that went pretty viral.And it was the first song where I was like a super slow six, eight ballad of me just belting the struggles of pain.You know what I mean?
Just like ass cheeks clenched, just screaming my soul out.And I'd never put a song out like that. And it, man, it just instantly went.
And I was like, man, this is, cause this was the kind of songs I was writing and recording, but not putting on my albums.I had like songs like this that I was just not putting out.You know what I mean?I was like, oh my God.All right.Well, cool.
People accept this kind of honest vulnerability.I'm in.So that's, that's kind of where it was.It was crazy.I was just, just couldn't figure out the furniture.
How do you handle the fame?
I don't feel famous.I don't feel listen when I was in Antioch.Everybody knew me.I'm from a small neighborhood Everybody knew everybody
I just run around and people say, hey, Jelly, it's nothing like, and equally, I've been blessed to have friends like Dwayne Johnson, who was famous.I was blessed to work with guys like MGK and Eminem.They're famous.
So when I look at me, I'm like, Luke Combs is famous.Jelly Roll is not famous.
Garth Brooks, famous.Jelly Roll, not famous.You know what I'm saying? It's all relative, right?
You know that's Jake Paul.It's hard to not see him.And similar with you, it's like you're very clearly like this entity.You're famous, brother.You're famous.And I know you felt the life change, like people approach you in the street.
Jelly Roll, can I get a picture?
But it's just like a bigger Antioch.It's just a bigger neighborhood.
Everybody knows you now, but it's just a bigger neighborhood.Because I think I've been blessed that the people that do speak to me make me feel that way. Like nobody comes up to me weird.They're always like, what's up jelly.
It just makes me feel like It's because you're real and authentic you talk about dude, there's nothing more authentic Entertainment's entertainment.People love to watch Dwayne Johnson.They love to watch a movie.
They love to, you know, and he's got, and he's got struggles.
I'm not trying to discount those, but there's nothing more relatable to people that will make them want to come up and hug you more than knowing that you, that you go through or went through the shit that they do.
That's the most beautiful.That's the best thing that I've taken out of this whole experience, putting out the fifth vital, having people come up to me, cry and be like, Oh, I understand addiction.I understand heroin.
Now I understand why my mom took her life.Like all that shit.That's, That's what gets me.It's not like, Oh, I saw you made this joke or you worked with this person.You know what I'm saying?
That authentic relatability is the most beautiful thing in the world.And like even sitting here with you, like a lot of the shit you're talking about stuff I want to know more about.And there's people out there that want to know more about it.
Like, like that monster that you fight every morning, who is he?What do you, and more and most importantly, what do you, what do you do?What's your, what does your morning look like so that maybe they could replicate it?
Well, it starts with, I had to get away from the electronics in the morning.Like, it was like, I got in this bad habit, and I don't know if y'all do it, maybe y'all are already smarter than me, but I would wake straight up and grab my phone.
And I tell you what, it's a gamble, because there's very seldom great news on there, right?
It's always, it's life kicking us in the face, and I don't know about y'all, but my phone, I go phoneless about six months a year, because my phone is just a benevolence box. It's just a request line, right?That's just it.
So once I identified that, you know, it's just people wanting stuff.You know what I mean?It's just how that works, right?So you know how it works, right?I'm not being fake here.
If someone wants something from me, they don't have my number.No, it shouldn't be like that.
I'm working on that, but I'm just still so compassionate. And I just, I have a bad relationship with my phone.So I'm just, I'm so bad with it.I either won't have one or overly have one.It's my addictive personality anyways.
Like right now I've lost a hundred pounds this year because I'm just obsessed with getting my fucking weight and health together.Wow.Good for you.You know what I mean?
But equally, I'm also, the flip side of that personality is I've had a year that I gained a hundred pounds. You know what I mean?So it's like, you know, I'm constantly fighting that.
So sometimes in the morning, I wake up and just kind of get in my own head gratitude list early.First thing, you're probably very familiar with this process.Are you familiar with the gratitudes in the mornings?
I say gratitude prayers every night, but I'm not familiar with this.
I love a gratitude prayer though, I get it.So in the morning, something about me writing still, because I guess I'm a songwriter, I mean, I want to write stuff.
I'll still wake up and write just basic like, man, I'm grateful I woke up next to my wife this morning.You know what I mean?Early in the morning, I'm sowing them seeds of gratitude.
Because if I don't, I might walk right out here, got a busy schedule, didn't get my stuff together, I didn't get my gratitude listen, I didn't get a cold plunge in, I didn't get to pray. I didn't get to spend a few minutes with myself.
You know what I mean?I didn't get to hug on my dog.My dog makes me happy.You know what I'm saying?And then I find myself yelling at my guy.You know what I'm saying?Upset because he fumbled the ball on something small.You know what I mean?
So I try to get up and I kill that guy.And I also, man, between us, I don't know if I want to go that deep, but I still have to fight the, like, do I want to get up some days?You know what I mean?Like, and it sucks because I'm have purpose.Finally.
I'm useful.I'm everything I ever prayed for.I've got financial insecurity.I've got everything I've wanted.And I still wake up some days and have to be like, I don't know.
I can relate to that for sure.And it's, and it's such a wild, animal for people out there to understand that don't understand it.
It's such a paradox because you look at someone who's successful, got the wife, got the family, got the money, and wonder how is that not enough?I see it all the time with people talking about it on social media. Oh, you have depression?
No, you don't, go to the gym.Go to the gym, eat better.I'm not saying those things aren't gonna help you.And they do.They do.Get loved ones around you, get a network.
Get a network, get in the sun.
I gotta get out of bed to do that.For sure.And that's what I tell people.And then nobody's in there to pull me out of that bed.Nobody's in there to drag me to that gym.And I have to fight that dude.That's the dude I have to fight.
Cause that dude, that dude, that dude is scary. You know what I mean?That dude scares me.And that's the demon, that's the monster.But I've learned, I mean, I've been working towards fighting this dude for years.You know what I mean?
And I'm winning a lot more than I've ever won.I'm kind of kicking his fucking ass.
I'm kicking his fucking ass.But you know what I mean?But I had to realize that this was a real thing in my life.
You know what I mean? you know, this do understand how important this conversation is.Like, like, it's just such a, like, I'm so happy.I hate that you had to have this moment.
Cause I hate that you're going through pain, but this is just such a necessary moment.It's like something that I've always aspired to talk about too.Like that feeling of dread of Not feeling okay.
No matter how okay things seem around me, you know what I'm saying?That being okay.And that being something that could be worked on.
Oh yeah.Question for you.Um, or now the, the, the idea of, uh, you know, just fucking, now you got something you're like, God, I don't want to fuck it up.
And that's a whole new problem.
I never knew the pressure that would come with just being like, whoa, man, I have so many people that count on me not completely fucking blown.And I don't know about y'all, I got a history of fucking shit up.
I've got a long history of like really blowing shit.You know what I'm saying, right?It's like, I've got a history of blowing it.You know what I mean?That's gonna be one of the hardest things.
That's gonna be one of the hardest things to give up.Your managers, you're gonna be, unless you work on that,
I'm six years in now, and every day feels like, bro, if I don't do this deal today, if I don't do this show today, if I don't do this thing today, tomorrow it's over.
Like, bro, that crackhead mentality that, like, yo, I gotta get my dose. Otherwise, yo tomorrow this shit could all go down.
Yeah, it's you got to put that thing away and I've tried to I've tried to get to a point where like yo the shit that I'm working on has strategic value and I'm doing real work, but it's that's that drug mentality Yeah, and that's and that's what I kind of want to ask you about too.
I did uh I did a roundtable yesterday with Bobby Kennedy in Philly.And a number of other people to talk about the rolling out of a strategy to get addicts back into the workforce, which I fucking love.
We as a country are suffering from a GDP that isn't growing as fast as we need it to.And it's one of the reasons why we're not a competitive country right now.
We've got, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of very good people who need to be reformed into us.Right.Or at least some version of us, you know what I'm saying?And these are great people.
They're not fucking scumbags like they get labeled as.We're not scumbags.We're people who got lost along our way and are now finding our way. For sure.
And I don't know about you, but one of the things that I know it was your daughter, but for me, one of the things that gave me my first self-esteem to continue being clean after I got clean was getting a job.
And finding some self-esteem in a body that had never felt that shit before.Tell them the job.I was a dog walker.
It's actually kind of therapeutic, though.It's actually, by default, a great job.
I'm about to go back to that.
You're going to shoot a TV show about it, I'm sure, right?Yeah, something like that.
My older sister took a chance on me and introduced me to some people and she took a real risk, bro, and brought me into a circle that I did not deserve to be in.
And I asked Bobby Kennedy yesterday, I said, how do we democratize what my older sister did for me?How do we get other business owners, other people to say, These are, these are hard.You know how strong fucking addicts are.
If you're an addict and you're, and you're still working today and you're still here trying your best, bro, you're a, you're the strongest human on this planet, bro.Because how much shit. in this underworld that people don't even know about, bro.
Do you know about it?In that world that is, it's in the shadows, bro.That grind, that daily grind of just trying to survive every fucking day for years.I did it for eight plus years of just every day, trying to just survive through the terrors, bro.
Shot at, like everything.All the horrors.Been through it all.My thing is too though is that it even expands past... just finding a way to give people purpose.What really changed my life was my daughter became purpose, and then music became purpose.
And then as the music started helping people, because I was writing these just sultry, honest songs, the people were like, when people were seeing me in the streets, they wasn't going, hey man, I bump your shit.
They were going, hey man, we listened to that song at my nephew's funeral. He overdosed, my cousin got shot and we played this song at his overpass.You know what I mean?
Like I was getting these, like, I was like, then you start finding more purpose and moving in that.It's like anything for somebody is purpose.
Like getting them a job, getting somebody on the right track, getting somebody a place that they can, hobbies.
God, man, I remember the weirdest thing too was, man, I had a problem too with my addiction whenever I was, I just addiction swapped and put it all into this, like, oh, I'm just gonna, the business was all that mattered.
And then when I'd have downtime, the demons were coming again. You know what I mean?It was like, I was scared to go to sleep.That's where the ghosts were.You know what I mean?
It was that kind of thing.Yeah, because there's this scene in, did you watch Euphoria, the show?You gotta watch it.
It's such an incredible show.
I have a teenage daughter and I started to watch it and it immediately disgusted me.
It is, okay, I hear you, but if you get a chance to watch it as an adult without the, and also- Well, I didn't watch it with her.
I meant like just having a teenage daughter and realizing that this, Underworld they created was supposed to be kids between 14 and 19.
I was like, it is though.It's not this fictitious world.It's not like, what do you mean?I lived in it.It's that it's exactly that.Is that true?Yes.A hundred percent, bro.I don't want to completely.No, no, no, no, no.
You can't sweep it under the rug.It's happening.
Yeah.Anyways, regardless, there's a scene in, there's a scene in euphoria with the, the main, uh, with Zendaya's character, uh, Rue who says, um, the first time she did drugs was the first time that she felt safe in her own head.
It's the only time she felt safe in her own head.And I, that I got goose, I saw the scene and immediately got goosebumps, bro.Cause it brought me back to sniffing Oxycontin and thinking to myself like, wow, like all that shit went away.
You know what I'm saying?So is that the reason why you use drugs?
Uh, I don't, I've, I've always tried to track back what it was for me.I think it just, was a cultural thing.Like, my father was a drinker.Like, I was in my late teens, I was in my early teens before I realized that vodka wasn't a sweetener.
You know what I'm saying?Like, if you watched a man pour it in a Stanley Thermos every day, you would eventually just be like, it's a sweetener.You know what I'm saying?It's like, you don't think about it. In a bad way.And I love my father.
He taught me more than anybody in my life.He's a great man, but he drank.You know what I mean?Especially he got a little more soberish later in life, but he was early.He drank.My mother did drugs.The neighbor did drugs.
They smoked crack across the street.They smoked crack next door.They smoked crack at the top of the hill.They shot heroin.It was just happening everywhere. So for me, it was just like protocol.You were just like, you know, you're 12 years old.
It's no big deal.You're smoking weed.13 years old.You're taking alcohol.You're stealing pills out of purses.You know what I mean?
That's why I say euphoria is real.
Yeah.I didn't know.I didn't know.I grew up in White Lake, Westlake.I grew up outside of Cleveland.I couldn't watch it because I don't know.One, I was afraid it would trigger me.And two, I was just like,
I can't even think about my daughter going to a high school that this could be happening, which she doesn't, but maybe she does, I don't know. I know they're drinking beer and having bonfires.For sure, I call them doing that.
We got started with Oxy's early.And it still happens.There's kids out there 13, 14 years old doing all kinds of shit.Was that a product of your household though?No, no, it wasn't.
So when did you start doing drugs?
When I was 16, I started using Oxy's.I was introduced to them through pain because I had a lot of trauma.Broken bones, splenectomies, a ton of ICU unit visits.
I have a song called She, I hate to cut you off, but it goes, and the song I wrote, it's talking about a young lady struggling with addiction.And it goes, nobody ever saw it coming cause it started with a little pill.How crazy.
Cause you don't remember, there was a time when our parents did pills and pills were like, they weren't OxyContin. Like that was the other thing that happened to me.
Exactly.But mine was also a product of location.The East Coast got eaten, bro.Eaten by OxyContin, dude.Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania.Like these states got West Virginia, Ohio, decimated by OxyContin.
By one company and one pill with one brand name on it.
Did you have you watched all the TV don't sick painkiller all of you how dope sick was fucking incredible So the guy who led the rounds the roundtable yesterday was the guy that Michael Keaton's character was based on really dope sick.
Oh god I should have went I couldn't it was not you got to come on the next one.I mean Bobby Kennedy's got a good a good plan, but but anyways Also on the round table yesterday was the coroner from one of the hardest hit areas in Pennsylvania.
Because as you know, as someone who speaks out on Congress, wow, what the fuck.Thank you, Bubba.To try to fend off fentanyl. the death rate, the overdose death rate is insane.Talk about a topic that is not being discussed.
Every day we hear about Ukraine, we hear about Gaza, major topics, obviously super important.A bunch of other topics that happen in the States.
If the trend continues within the next, I think Bobby said, it's like within the next year, the number of dead Americans from overdose
since this epidemic began, will surpass every American that has ever died in any war America has ever been fucking involved in.Ever.World War II, Vietnam, World War, ever, bro.
How often is this topic being talked about?Dude, you heard my analogy when I went in front of Congress.Did you hear it, Logan?I didn't.It's a 737 plane a day.Every day.Oh, I did hear that.Every single day.I didn't see it.Every single day.
So I make 300 quotes of it.Anywhere between 227 and 300 people a day.So it's like, and I looked and I had that moment.So my sister was helping me do the research for that speech.
And we were looking for like a comparison that would be the most jolting. You know what I mean?Of like, we were like, we were like comparing club sizes.You know how you're thinking about stuff?
You're like, how am I gonna present this in the most impactful way?And when we realized it, when I realized it was a plane, I was like, you're telling me that's like if a plane crashed in America every single day.
How many days would it happen before they grounded every flight in America?What's your prediction?Just ask.
I think it's two.Max.I think it's two max.I think maybe three, cause they have to go, Are we sure that a plane's crashing every day?It's like it happened the last three days in a row.
And I think they'd be like, ground them and figure out what the fuck's going on.At least that brand a plane.If it was a Delta, Delta's shutting down at that day.
And it's like, in our world, the way that we have dehumanized drug addicts and addiction is that America will literally step over their dead carcass and go, they made that decision. And I'm like, go watch dope sick.
Talk to, talk to Mike, a kid that was a straight shooting kid that was broke four bones in his body, tender age.And they gave him a pill.You know what I mean?It's, it's crazy.It's sickening.
I I'm, I'm ignorant to this.And I'd like to ask a question that perhaps you guys could shed some light on is like, why, why is that being ignored?Like you, you, you testified in front of Congress.
And so obviously like at least the start of the conversation is being had, but like, Why are we focused on such other petty shit rather than focusing on the traumatic stuff that's happening right here on our own soil?
Well, if we all came together to fix a problem, we wouldn't be fighting against each other, would we? No, no, you're so right.It's not in any of our government's best interest for us to all agree that we need to fix something.You know what I mean?
Because the day that happens, we've got a big problem.It don't matter what the cause is.The day that America actually agrees this problem needs to be fixed and everybody agrees, Our government is gonna be in fear.That problem could be saving geese.
You get the entire country agreed to fix that one problem, it's gonna scare our country.They don't want it.They don't want it.That's why we have a two-party system.
I say it all the time.It is the biggest problem that we have as a country, the two-party system.
Do you know why they don't allow you to have competitive two-person or two-team sports in jail except basketball?Because they kill each other. Period.
Because they know that if we put you in any sport that involves y'all going against each other, y'all are gonna fight to the point that somebody's gonna stab the other one in prison.But we do it as a country.This is it as a country.
It's gotta be one of the most mind-boggling things to me, especially as you watch the inability of them to ever even find any kind of unison.And by the way, not only that, it's not a disagreement.
It's a desire to always make the other party look bad.I liken it to a basketball game where both teams are playing against each other, neither of which are trying to score.Both are just trying to block each other's shots.
And the American public is in the audience just yelling.
I'm just over here like, yo, let's just, you know, yeah.And I think that's a part of the problem.And also, I think that we need to bring more light.I appreciate you being honest to go, hey, man, I'm ignorant to this issue.
It seems like this is a problem.Why don't we just fix it?That means a lot.Just more people like you being like, OK, I'm in tune now.
Well, Mike mentioned it earlier.Like, okay, I'll be honest.So first off, I really appreciate your vulnerability.And so does the viewer.The words that you've said today, just as far are going to really affect people's life.
As someone who, fuck, it's emotional day for me a little bit.As someone who just tries to be impactful, you know, like your story and your voice allows us to do that.
I think in a way we're like, you know, our content, this content specifically, it means something.It really means something.
And Mike mentioned it earlier, like that demon you talk about that you fight, that I know he fights as well, cause he's my best friend. is not truly a struggle that I understand.And I have failed to recognize how hard that can be for some people.
Just because of how you're wired, that's it.You got some neurons in your brain that are either over firing or not firing the right way.Some synapses are connected in the mismatch, crisscross, like, and I was not wired like that.
And it's, I'm so grateful for it, but I've had trouble in the past empathizing with people who are going through things that I can't relate to.
I think that sentence that I just said is the feeling of a lot of Americans and of a lot of people who are in control. that allows or where they're sort of enabling themselves to kind of turn the other direction.You know, they don't understand it.
They don't understand it.And so a educating people at having these conversations is, is, is super important.Um, but I think like, I think our, our, our country in general struggle struggles with like an empathy problem.
That's like an, that's a, that's a, It's like an evolved emotion for a lot of people.And something, I'm not trying to like hyperanalyze you, but your story is obviously so, like can really positively influence a lot of people.
So I'm trying to like hear you and take things that people can enact in their lives to make a positive change.And you have a self-awareness and self-awareness is a very attractive quality because like bare minimum, you're aware of it.
And you know, and to try to make sure that that car isn't going to crash, to be able to identify certain things about yourself and then put parameters in place that you know you need to put in place so you don't do XYZ.
or regress to that person you don't want to be, like waking up in the morning and putting your phone away, that's an evolved person.
That's something that is so important for people to do in their lives, but I think a lot of people aren't willing to put in that work, because it's hard.
It's so hard.For sure.It's always been weird to me, too, with the empathy thing.
It's a daily work, too, by the way, Logan.It's not just like the hard work is going through it, but still, I mean, it's a daily work.
What he was saying about empathy, and I agree with you 100%, I've always said that empathy is a learned emotion, so it's not easy for people to just magically have it.
I got empathy because I know what it's like to wait in line for methadone when it's 26 degrees and I have a jacket and the person next to me doesn't.You know what I'm saying?
I got empathy from being able to have a state's attorney when I went to court and having somebody do something nice for me because they had a good attorney. You know what I'm saying?
Like those little trade-offs and passionate moments you have from living in that, that gutter for so long, it breeds it inside of you.
The only reason I don't get it is because that some people don't understand the plight of addiction in the country and, or, and would turn the other cheek is their mom's addicted.Their son's addicted.The kid next door is addicted.
Every bro substance abuse has touched fucking everybody, bro. In this country.
So it's just surprising me that people are still, well, that, I think that's the thing, but it's also a testament to his honesty is that that's another thing too, is though that America has lost sight of taking the time to hear and care about what's happening with people.
You know what I mean?And we just kind of automatically, and I also get it too.Cause dude, we're all fighting.
I get it, I know what it's like to walk and be like, look, I'd like to stop and try to have an opinion about that, but life's fucking me as much as it's fucking him.You know what I'm saying?It's so true.It's so true.
And there's that, and I think that we've also, because of, There was a time in life you only got news clippings and spurts.
So you only seen the bad side of America at like seven o'clock at night on the news or in that morning when you read your paper.
Now it's like a nonstop funnel of all the fuckery that's happening all over the world all the time on every single feed we have.
Well, you know what it is?It's, it's, I mean, it's just shitty, but it's innate in humans to be drawn towards negative stuff.I think it's a defense mechanism.
Our species sees things that are happening that are bad, and instinctively we go, I need to stay away from that.I know about it. Now I need to stay away from it.Oh, this, oh, this mugging happened in the street.
And I see this video in four K of a security camera and it's horrible and it affects me and I'm scared.Maybe I won't go out past 11 PM.It's sort of instinctual.
Like in many ways, you know, I always sit on this podcast and I'm like, well, everyone just draw is drawn to the negative headlines, negative headlines, or you read headlines.Like, but at the, in the same token, it's like how we're wired.
We're just like, we're animals.
We're actually animals. I love it when Joe Rogan says we're all a bunch of dumb apes.He's right!He's right down the middle, dude.It couldn't be more it.It's all about love, though.
My message mostly is that I think that whether you have any connection with any of that stuff, what you do have is you love people.And then that'll end up bringing you around to compassion and being more empathetic of those situations.
I hate everyone.Just you asking and having it now starting to be that way.
I hate everybody.I don't hate everybody, but dude.
People are hateable.I get it.
You know what I'm saying?I'm hateable, bro.I mean, like, I get it.Do you hate me?I don't hate a single, there's not a single person I hate.
But you hate?Yeah.No, no, I truly have.I tell people all the time, anybody who don't like me anymore, it's one-sided.You know what I'm saying?Bro, is that weird?Like, I just don't.
When I finally made it out of that shit and got free from it and broke those chains, I was just like, hey, I'm sorry to everybody I did wrong to.I hope you accept it.And if you don't, then I get it.But I am, yeah, it's like,
When's the last time you left a negative comment online?
Oh dude, I've never, I missed that whole MGK post.
Not even my MGK post back in the day.
No, no, no.I just wrote a song about it instead.I don't think I never could comment.I probably sent mean DMs instead.
Hey, this, it's important that, that people like you are leading the charge.Um, and I'll throw myself into the, into it as well for, for this topic prior to, prior to us.And, and I asked you about it before the show.I'm an imperfect addict.
Think any good addict would say they are too, but I mean it even even less perfect.I I do some stuff that People in the AA community might not love.Yeah, we talked about weed before I love to gamble.
Yeah I do some stuff that is that is that in the old school would be frowned upon but I feel like
Us being authentically us and and and being truthful about it and transparent about it is Allowing us to talk to a much larger set of people through through being the opposite of a guru I don't claim to be a guru on anything in this world besides cheeseburgers But but you you are you are
not a scientist or a mental health professional.You are a singer.You're a multifaceted, multi-talented performer who just so happens to want to help in a place that he used to exist in and continues to struggle in.
And I think that we are the evolution of the program that is going to help people.
For sure.First of all, thank you for being so nice to me.I am a dumb songwriter that sings, right?That is it.It's nothing more than that.I'm a dumb songwriter and I sing.
And I have so much respect for the sober community and the clean community that I don't even claim that community at all, as far as for me.Now, I participate, I attend. I'm a friend of Bill's.You know what I mean?I'm a friend of Bill's.
But I completely, when asked, I never claimed to be in the space because I have so much respect for their model.I just also know that my mindset, what worked for me has been more of a harm reduction and less of an abstinent model.
Because I'll still smoke a little pot, a lot of pot.But frankly, if we're gonna be honest, it's a lot of reefer. But I have came really far from it and through it.And my thing is...
My thing with everything, and this is what I'd like for the rest of the world to just maybe even open their hearts to, is that I believe there's space for multiple things to be true at once.
I'm not married to just one school of thought about every single thing.
You're going to offend somebody if you're talking about nuance.Are you talking about nuance?You're going to get into a gray area that people don't think should exist.
God forbid.But it's like, I know that, God forbid, we all meet in the middle. I'm creating a side.It's the way I like to look at it.I'm creating a side and I just what it's even like right now somebody asked me I was in the gym this morning at the
the Lifetime Fitness somewhere down here in downtown.And I was just making sure anchored.I knew I had a big pod with y'all.First of all, I love the pod, huge fan.Genuinely watch clips all the time.
Watching your evolution and your growth going from like, you know, just like a like shithead YouTube kid into a man, into a father has been the way you've just gracefully dealt with things.
And when you're being a shithead, I know that it's all in the spirit of, you know, it's a work for you.It's not a shoot.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's, yeah, for me, I'm sorry, what was I saying before that?I want to make sure.How much you love our podcast.Yeah, I do love your podcast.That's where I got lost.I was like, I want to make sure I'm getting flowers.
But my sobriety journey is that my thing is that I think that same way about everything.It's like I just, he was in the gym and he's kind of preaching at me and he's, He's like, I've heard you lost a lot of weight this year.I'm like, yeah.
He's like, I'm telling you, I cut out seed oil, sugars, get rid of carbs.You know, he starts like, and he's like, this is what you like telling me what I need to do.
And finally, at some point I look up at him and go, man, that sounds like that's really been working good for you, man.I'm happy for you. For you.For you.Cause that's what's working for you.
I'm eating a potato for breakfast every day and I'm losing the fuck out of it.
I don't really need that.I didn't say that, but I'm thinking I don't need you ingesting.Like I don't even need that in my, you know what I mean?Like what's working for me right now is this, and this is cool.
And when it quits working for me, I'll reassess.I love,
And just so you know, the thing that I'll take out of this, it will continue to build on how much I've already been working on it.I love your confidence in saying that.Yeah, for sure.
Because I've been on this scene now for six years or seven or whatever, and have had people say not so nice things about the way I run my program.And they're people that I respect and people that are well-known and... You're talking about me?
Not at all, no.All you say is that I don't look good and stuff like that.I know, I'm just kidding.I'm just kidding.
But certainly I've felt sometimes not as good as I could about the progress I've made because other people have said that it's not as much as it could be or should be.And I should quote unquote cut out the seed oil.
Is it not crazy how much people have an opinion on what you should do, but they don't do anything?
Hey. I can relate to this.What's happening right now with me being a parent, everyone has something to say.
They're telling you how you should father, and most of them are bad parents.
Why is everyone wrong?Why are 5% of people on the right path?And by the way, maybe I'm wrong, but the point is, at least in parenting, working out, whatever, none of this shit is a perfect science.Everyone's different.
Your intuition, your gut, your feeling, at least with parenting for me, is what's been guiding us. Six days in, it's working.
Do you have a night nurse?Did you get a night nurse?Or are you just accepting the trauma that's coming with that?I tried.I fired her within an hour.No, really?The first time the baby cried, you just shot right in there, huh?
No, no, it's a it's I mean, yeah, yeah.I realize like I don't want this anyone handling my child and like because like, well, let's be honest, I'm in a privileged position where I can afford a night nurse.And that is a luxury.But at the same.
Token, I care too much to be like hands off, even at night, especially with my first child, like I I like being in the trenches at the moment, even though I'm tired.And I'm learning so much about parenthood.Like, bro, I'm on diaper duty.
That's my job.How's the wife doing?She's a fucking hero.She's literally my hero.She's a champion, dude. Oh, my God.I was just saying on the last episode, like what women go through.
Have y'all got a workflow at night yet?It's all just swapping on and off.
So we're kind of double teaming it right now, which isn't great for our sleep.Yeah, we will.We will do the vice versa.
No, it's just still so special.Y'all are both rushing.That's all.Yeah. You'll get past that because this is going to last a little longer than you think it is.It's a little bit of a journey.
I can't wait.He called me on day three and he's like, I think we've got it figured out.
That night, that night, yo, Esme was up from legit like 1 to 5 a.m.And on our like three, I was like, Ooh, this is gonna affect who I am.I need to sleep.I was hungry, I was angry, I wasn't lonely.I don't know if I will ever check the lonely behind.
So tired.But yeah, man, everyone likes to think they're an armchair expert.
Well, on that topic quickly, the only reason I bring that up is because The old school believes that there is a perfect science to recovery, which is one.
And by the way, my thing is, are you proud of the progress that you've made?Oh, come on.And fine coffee.That's what me.You're right.Like dog. I was fucking the shittiest human on earth.
If I am just smoking weed right now and that offends you, then fuck you anyways.You know what I'm saying?Like respectfully, fuck you, man.I changed my whole life, dude.
If you knew, I would have choked you unconscious, fucking and stole your wallet, fucking at one point in my life and stomped you on the way out the door.
Now I'm just smoking popular You say you're this shitty you were the shittiest person on the planet I bet I bet Mike circa 2010 would have given you a run 2010 I was I was coming back around Walt
I mean, we both.But I want to tell you something that might help you with this.And I wasn't ever going to share this on a podcast again, because I didn't want to have to circle back into this.
But I love you enough to share this and hoping to help you.I was with Flagrant the first time I did Scholten on podcast.Now, Scholten and me are really, really, really good, good, good friends.
And we were talking about my relationship with the church, because I have a cross on my face.I'm a man of faith.I'm very public about it.I smoke weed.I also do a lot of things that don't look godly, right?
And I just told him how I felt about the church on that podcast.I won't reshare those feelings here, they're online, you can go look them up.And I just said, but I love God and this is how I feel about the church.And man, did every pastor.
It felt like in America the next Sunday raked me across the coals.But I had three of the biggest pastors in the world reach out to me and go, that was the bravest act of Christianity we've ever seen. was you going to do that?
And you know what I realized in that moment, man?Man, what God's got for me, he's sending, baby.If them other dudes didn't come, they wasn't for me, and that's fine.God put me where I'm celebrated and I tolerate it.That is my request.
Put me where I belong.You know what I'm saying?Man, if I don't give you no more freedom, because it hurt my feelings, Mike.That first Sunday, I was like, Man, I thought Jesus would be proud of the way I carried that conversation.
These dudes were just like, this jelly roll is the devil.
They were like Southern Baptists.Like, if you listen to jelly roll, you're going to hell.You know, and I'm just like, golly.I was like, Jesus Christ, if he's going to listen, I believe I can fly all the way out of here.You know what I'm saying?
I'm the bad guy, you know?So just know that, man.Don't worry, man.That shit is like, it ended up working out in my favor because I ended up actually getting closer to God after that.
I picked up my Bible for the first time in a decade after that conversation.I started allowing a pastor to pour into me for the first time after a decade.It was a breakthrough for me.
So on the other side of all that pain and all that pissiness I felt and the fact that there's still, on average, like 20 or 50 churches a Sunday that talk about me in a bad way, that's just part of it.
Sounds like the movie Waterboy. Foosball's the devil, Bobby.They got your picture on the wall, and the church is like, this is Satan right here.
But the other guys were like, most big pastors and a lot of authors hit me up and was like, man, that was accurate.You didn't tell a lie.The church just don't know how to deal with the truth.
I'm a little confused how sometimes with certain sects of religion, sects, S-E-C-T-S, can't agree on their own teachings.Something that confused me, we had Cliff and Stuart Connectly on the podcast, and I asked them about evolution, right?
And they were like, yeah, yes.Scientific evolution, yeah.
When they said that, I was actually surprised, because most Christians I know seem to not believe in evolution, and these guys who are really knowledgeable and devout, good dudes who practice their craft and are the best at it, said the opposite of what I thought traditional belief was.
These are two guys that are revered by Christians and Catholics.I don't want to mess up witch's wish and the denominations that look up to them. They posted the clip on their Instagram as well as saying it on the podcast.
And you know, when I saw it, I was surprised because they were speaking directly to an audience that a lot of them don't agree with their opinion.And sure enough, in the comments, people were reaming them for saying that evolution is a thing.
similar to this like black and white conversation where like nuance is important.And that, that gray area is you gotta be comfortable like navigating there and acknowledging that it exists.
Um, but with religion in particular, there's just like a lot of that.Like it's like, like almost like, I mean maybe a shitty comparison as well, like parenting, like there's like an imperfect science.
And I think there's like an intuition that, that I don't know, like, follow the teachings that make you feel the best, the most fulfilled, and that make you feel like you are having that conversation with God.
Yeah, for sure.Whatever works for you.Yeah, man.Whatever gets you in touch with a higher plane.Whatever gets you outside.Because there's a lot of it to me is just getting outside of yourself.Just admitting that there is something greater than you.
If not, we're stuck in a real narcissistic loop by default.Nihilist.You know what I mean?It gets real murky waters there.But my deal is, First of all, nobody hated religion more than Jesus. Really?Period.No, absolutely not.
Not a figure ever in history has hated religion more than Jesus did.Why?He thought it was just a complete kind of a sham.He thought they had turned the temple into a merchant.They thought it was more of a money gag than it was.
I'm not telling you nothing the Bible don't say about Jesus, for the record.Go do your own research, come up with your own ideals, and that's what I did.I read the same book everybody else read.Maybe they read it different. I don't know.
But you know what I'm saying?That's possible.And you know what?That's fine too.You know what I mean?Because I tell people all the time, Cool Runnings is one of my favorite movies.And they're like, wow.
Because I think it's one of the greatest stories ever told.Because sometimes you can do everything right and the bobsled still breaks. Nobody else seen that though, right?
Everybody else thought it was a movie about a bunch of guys that shouldn't have been on a mountain in the first place.And to me, the real magic happened after they were off the mountain.It wasn't getting to the mountain that was the magic.
They thought it was a story of triumph and overcoming.I said, the story was the bobsled broke.They fucking were killing it.You know what I'm saying?It's, you know, but- I gotta rewatch it.
That's such a classic, dude.
Well, dude, it's one of the greatest movies ever.It's in my top five for real.
I haven't watched it.Have you ever seen it?
No, it's give me the, give me the other four in the top five.If you have them or at least at least three more, a beautiful mind, a beautiful stop for one second on each one.
That movie is fucking amazing.
Insane.Insane. I think Russell Crowe's greatest performance ever.
That and when he did the Cinderella Man, I thought was his too.Beautiful Mind is painful.It's a painful watch.It is so emotional when you start to realize what had been happening the entire time when you thought something else was happening.
Insane, what else?Big Fish.
Okay, yeah, that's a great one.
Big Fish is one of the greatest movies ever.I don't care who you are, it is so awesome.Big Fish is great.Yeah.Good Will Hunting.Yeah.It's another one of my top.
Perfect movie.Yep.Also, just watching it now makes me upset, because of Robin Williams.
Yeah.Greatest monologue in movie history.When he's sitting by the lake?When they're sitting by the lake, and he starts... Incredible.Name another one better.Name another movie monologue better.It's un-fucking-real.Did it...
Most of that monologue was one take.
Yeah, Steel Magnolias is my fifth one, by the way.Great movie as well.
Do you want mine?Yeah.They're all boy movies.
That sucks.Cause none of mine are, I guess I, I guess I could put, I could put a little haunting in there if we want one emotional, like meaningful movie, no country for old men, the fire.Incredible.So caught Sicario.
Dude.Never even seen it.I ain't gonna lie in brother.I'll make a note.I was grabbing for my phone.
Please watch it.Please watch that movie fight club.Hmm. We have no great war.Our great war is a spiritual war.And then I'll probably say I'll fucking piss Logan off and say probably Inception.It's Inception or Departments.
Well, no, but you love Interstellar more and me not having it on there.It probably upsets you.No, it's your list.His number one is Interstellar.
Yeah, it is.And Prestige.What's your other four?
I like the Prestige.I love The Greatest Showman.Oh, The Greatest Showman.That's a good one.That'd be my probably top ten.That's a good one.
Yeah.I can relate to the story.I love musicals.The Gentleman with Matthew McConaughey.It's a great movie.It was awesome.
I loved the show as well.I think it was on Netflix.And then this is like maybe it's the top tenor for me, but it just popped up on Netflix and I loved it.Edge of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise.I like action, you know.
Should I send you this list?It's called my movies grand list.
I mean, dude, like I'm a guy that I'm a weird dude that has a top five and everything.I have a top five movies shows.
But how do you, how do you even fit it?Like,
you know, Zero Dark Thirty, Children of Men, 1917, Running Scared, Saving Private Ryan is one, Rock and Roll, a great British film, The Godfather, Eastern Promises, Man on Fire, Smokin' Aces, Casino, Jason Bourne, Pulp Fiction.
I've so many movies.I watched Casino on the bus the other night, just on some like, we were up at four in the morning.So fired, just as fired.Sometimes you go back and watch them 90s movies and you're like,
Is it going to hold, you know, cause like technology and sometimes they don't hold and then sometimes they casino does.
I still hate Joe Pesci for what he did, bro.He ended up being such a, uh, what's, what's one movie that you don't want to watch again?Because I wonder if you can relate on, uh, a movie called Requiem for dream. Never seen it.Maybe try to watch it.
I don't know, actually.I'm not sure if I want you to watch it.Really?Yeah.Darren Aronofsky.Absolute fucking classic.It's a very disturbing, disturbing film about drugs.It is.It is fucked dude.Marlon Wayans, Jared Leto, Jennifer. No.Jennifer Lawrence.
Jennifer Lawrence.No, not Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer- Aniston.Jennifer Garner.Coolidge.No, it's one of the Jennifers.There's a lot of Jennifers.But it's an insane movie about heroin and just, it's dark.
I watch it, it's entertainment.I like more emotional stuff.I watch some dark stuff.
Brother, they call it the one movie you swore you'd never watch again.
It took me over a decade of being out of jail before I would watch jail shows.Nobody said Shawshank.
But even then I wouldn't watch it when I got out.I didn't watch it for like a decade.I was like, my wife would be like, she would get into like, uh, she loves murder mystery stuff.
And she turned on first 48 and I'd flip out when we first got together.I was like, yo, it's a great show.I was like, I was like, no, no. And she was talking to me the other day, she was like, what are you doing?I was like, watching First 48.
And she like, really?I was like, I've been watching to go to sleep lately.She, cause I've been, you know, whatever.And she was like, and that's such a sign of your healing.
She was like, when I first got with you nine years ago, she was like, you would like yell at me if I walked in the room.I was like, turn that shit off.Like immediately it would get like weird.And now I'm like, yeah, I watch it every night.
It's funny you say that.Cause I read a news report the other day that, Watching crime shows is one sign of potentially of a psychopath.
I was about to say, I know what you're talking about.It was a lie.
I go to sleep while in a true crime.What's that?Is your girl in the true crime?Every girl.Yeah.We watch.Of course.Do we watch forensic files?Which every girl's pretty sure.
You know, that show is a true crime pod.
Yeah.No, 100%.Yeah.No bunny.Bunny does it.And when she does her podcast in October, she does like a, like a horror theme every week with it, like either a murder mystery or something that caught her eye and she'll do a whole pod on it.
She dresses up for every day of the month of Halloween.She'll start posting her Halloween pictures today for the next 31 days.Every day will be a different Halloween.
How long you guys been together for now?
We've been together eight years.We've been married eight years, eight and some change.And how did you meet?At a bar. The old-fashioned way, baby, yeah.Where, where?It's like it happened in the movies.Las Vegas Country Saloon.
Wow.I was doing a show, it was a soft-ticket show, so we were like doing some of our songs and covers and just, you know, we're just doing a bar circuit.She was there and we bumped into each other at the bar. I was going to grab a drink.
She's going to grab a drink.I knew she had Xanax.I asked her for one.You know what I'm saying?So I was like, that girl's got Xanax.And I was just immediately like, ah.
She just looked like an angel.
Old South Nashville mating call.Shake a bottle of pills and I'll run.
That's so funny.What does she think of all the craziness?
Oh, dude, she's actually been my biggest supporter in all of it, of course, man.We talk about it.We foxhole up, though, man. It goes back to little things in your life that change.When I was in the streets, it was like no pillow talking.
Like you never talk to a girl about your business.You know what I mean?
Because what do you think they're going to do when you break up?
Yeah, for sure.Now I don't do nothing but pillow talk.That's all.I look forward to my pillow talk.I'm waiting for it.I'm like, oh, it's the end of the day.I can unload.I'm like a girl.I just like pull my hair back.I'm like, this is how it happened.
You know, like she's really been my anchor, man. That's awesome.
Also, you know, she's not going to get called in as a witness to a felony indictment anytime soon.She could tell her.
We also quit committing felonies.We did commit some together early in our relationship.We were both pretty wild.Yeah.
She's sweet.She's sweet, man.I have to ask you about WWE, please.They say you love it.
Love.Dude, I'm like truly a fan.And I think the storytelling right now is like probably the best it's been in a long time.Probably since like, I think it's the best it's been since the Cena era.
And to see Cena coming back around, you know what I mean?Like, and I think before that it was, you know, I mean, it was the Attitude Era almost.So it's like, I think that we're seeing, I would say wrestling's bigger than it's ever been right now.
So it's really fun.And, um, They are finding a way at the WWE to serve two masters.And they're serving that they are keeping people engaged every single week and they're keeping it fast because the times need fast stories.
But they're also allowing bigger stories to develop over longer periods of time, like watching the bloodline develop over 36 months. for taking three WrestleManias for Cody to finish his story.
Like, but they kept us so engaged that we almost had forgot that we had been watching these big storylines play out.Cause they were giving us the little fast nuggets that we needed for Instagram and TikTok too.
So I think they're doing the best they've ever done, man.I think the talent's higher than it's ever been.
I'm just, I'm, I'm admittedly, because I'm an older guy as a dude that like didn't tune into it around the scene of time, it got really live again.You're like, oh, it's happening. And a couple years ago, I started feeling the writing was changing.
I was seeing it more, and I knew that Roman was Roman.You know what I mean?You could feel it.Yeah, I mean, he just... It felt early that he was gonna be a version of The Rock, that he was gonna be some generation's version of The Rock.
You know what I mean?There's kids out there that look at him like I looked at The Rock.
When 1998, when he's at 96, when he's at Municipal Auditorium and him and Stone Cold are doing WWE Monday Night Raw, and I'm up in the nosebleed section with my brother, I knew that kids were feeling that way about Roman.
That's a true story.Oh yeah, absolutely.Told DJ this.I mean, true, true story.So it's like going from that, because you know, I was a South Nashville kid.
We'd go to the wrestling fairgrounds, we'd go to the underground, we'd go to the backyard ECW shits.
We were like super white trash.Okay, so can I?Okay, so that's amazing.That's amazing. What about people who maybe aren't fans of wrestling because they think what they think?How do you describe it to people who don't understand what they're watching?
Because admittedly, I was one of those people at some point.
You're watching one real incredible storytelling.And it's also wholesome.I know there's times it gets a little wild, but that's what makes it even more wholesome when it comes back around because it's always going to come back around.
And I'm also into it because I'm an entertainer.I'm a showman, right?Like, I just, I'll give you an example.When are y'all dropping this?
We got a little, you got a little bit.
Two weeks, two weeks.So I do, so that's all I'm going to say.
I'm going to, I do something in my show because I don't want to burn this for the people that might watch it, might be coming to my tour, even though most of your people are like, who the fuck is this fat dude anyway?No, not right now, buddy.
They're here to watch because it's you.They're asking who we are. But I took something from a Roman thing, I'll tell you off camera, that I put in my show.
I'm that much of a fan of stuff that when I watch things, I'm like, there's a quote in the entertainment business, you're gonna love this, because I watched your pod for years, that says, the good ones will borrow, but the great ones will steal.
Steal like an artist.Yeah, you know what I mean?So it's like, I stole something, straight from Roman, like this is it.
So yeah, I started tuning back in, and then I thought you were great for it, because you brought a whole new eyes in, and brought athleticism. You mind me telling a story?You can cut this for a fucking podcast.
You can cut it if you want to.Nah, we'll actually allow it, man.
Hold on, let's check.Well, it's about him.Is that cool?No, no, no.It's about Logan.I don't want Logan to like, I don't know if this is something he don't want people to know.No, I don't care.
But when I'm in the ring that day getting ready to sound check, I'm leaning over the ring and I'm looking around and I keep watching Logan switch chairs and he's doing this like he's fucking fixing to paint something.
And then he brings his dude over with the camera, right?And he's like, and they're looking at it and they're looking and I don't really get it.And then it still, I didn't fully get what they were doing.
So I just kind of keep going on about my business.I was like, this dude's obsessed with whatever's happening at this seat.And then in the middle of the match, I'm on the other side of where he was.
And when he goes and climbs up on those ropes, I go, this fucking dude.This is why he's one of the best dudes.This is why he's one of the best content creators. he was looking at the shot.He was that particular about exactly where he wanted it to be.
And I was like, and I love whenever people are great and you get to find out why.There's something special that happens when somebody's cool.Like, I hope I leave here today.And you go, I get it.You know what I'm saying?I got it beforehand.
And to be honest with you.Not that you didn't, but I'm saying like for me with you, like that was a moment when I was like, That dude is really thinking in the fucking future.
Can I blow?Can I blow your head up even more about that shot?
Yeah, he was he was probably gonna say is maybe not He was not only thinking of the future He was also thinking of the past in that moment because it's even deeper than then what you're talking about He wasn't only trying to create the next shot.
but he was trying to create a continuation of a shot that it happened when, how long before that?
I'm not even sure what you're talking about, Mike.
Are you talking about the moonsault off the rope?You created that piece of content where you had the practice shot.Is that what you're talking about?Yeah.
Damn it bro, you ruined my fucking fantastic story.So he had shot it in practice in Puerto Rico and combined it happening at SummerSlam with the practice shot.
When I'm telling you that he literally Two or three different seats got in the back row like he was right I was and I didn't know why cuz I hadn't seen him work out their shit yet I missed all that him and kills had just done it.
So when I'm out watching the match in real time I truly don't know what's happening.So I'm like a fan They got me mic'd up and everything and all I know is what I the one thing I know You know what?I mean?I'm watching when he goes up there.
I was like this motherfucker was staging his shot.
Sorry, you're totally right.No, it's okay, you're tired.First off, I appreciate that.Yeah, we're pretty specific about, well, I don't have the energy to dive into the intricacies of content creation, but I love what I do.I take it very seriously.
When you do have the time, call me.
Give me 15 minutes with some guy.
This is what I did want to say to you.Um, that is, I, that is, I think why I haven't really like try to develop a camaraderie yet with you at these events.Cause like, It's sort of like ritualistic for me and I'm very new still.
It's hard for me to be like a cool, fun, friendly guy and also be like, shit dude, 50,000 people are going to watch me probably break my leg. But I hope not.And here's what I got to do to make sure I don't break my leg.
And the headspace that I'm in at PLA, I'm locked in it.I haven't yet gotten able to like balance it.
You might not ever.I'm not doing flips in front of 50,000 people, but I'm doing 16,000 a night in an arena.And if you caught me on a show day and it wasn't in my dressing room in a moment, I was sitting down.
You would think I was fucking a lost puppy a little bit.I mean, because I'm thinking about how do I not go out here and blow this.How do I not blow my voice?I'm very picky about how loud I'll get on show days.I respect, I understand.
No, I do.And it's funny because watching you in the rehearsals, I was sitting, we were sitting behind you and it was the first time I'd seen you perform live.And I'm like, Oh, I get it.This motherfucker can fucking sing.
Like you, you put your soul into your music when you're singing.And, and I, I have to say just, Oh, that's cool.
Well, it's funny.The moments are super similar and, I'm telling you, like bro, I was sitting 15 feet behind you. And I felt it in my soul.I'm like, fuck, this song's a smash.Homeboy can sing.I got to get to know him one day.
Whatever, I'm in the headspace.
I'm glad it worked this way, though, man.
It's the way I like to do it, too.Me too.There's a lot, dude.You have so much depth.And I appreciate that we've gotten a chance to unpack.I have to give a shout out to Kevin, my videographer.I can't do this shit without someone
dreamily good at their job.That young man right there in the light colored shirt is so fucking good at his job.And like, I'm not here on accident because I got lucky by myself.
I have a team of really adept people who pay really close attention to what that lens is capturing.And that shot in particular was like a a large part in his ability to execute.
Because I need to trust that the person shooting that is going to get that shot.Because that could be my last jump for four months.If I pull my ACL, don't fuck it up.If I even get it right.And he did.
And so... You nailed it.It's also not a job to him.That's why. Yeah, it's his life kevin fucking lives for this shit, bro.It's hard to find.
That's the first time he looked like y'all were praising him Well, he deserves more praise.
That's why the deepest y'all were giving y'all were giving kevin the nicest words and he was sitting over like this That's how I look too, so I'll be cracked a smile That's why he said the light colored shirt.
I kept looking around like it can't be this No, I know.
I was like, I know you don't know who i'm talking about.He's just sitting there.No, it's him, bro It's him.He's a wizard.
He's a wizard behind the lens watching.I remember thinking man.That is fucking I've told that story about you to everybody I've talked to behind the scenes.You know how people talk.And they were talking about wrestling.I was like, how was Logan Paul?
I was like, dude, let me tell you about this guy.I was like, this dude, man, he was always sweet to me anyway.But I was like, The man just knew what he was doing, man.
It's uh, it's my most viewed video on Instagram ever.That particular video.Fucking beautiful.Sometimes you get that, you get that perfect video.And as like a person who's been doing this forever, dude, like I love that, that idea.
Did you feel it when you were flipping that it was nailed?Yeah.I know you probably talked about this a bunch, but did you feel it like in the middle of the air? I knew it.I love that feeling.
I knew it.And, and it was the best I had ever done it in front of 50,000 people.It was crazy.
Oh, that's the best feeling.
WWE is, I appreciate what you said about this showmanship artistry of, of what you're witnessing, because like, that's something that like, to my core, I'm obsessed with it.Every single action has a meaning and is important to get right.And
has a depth that I think like the average person doesn't understand.But once you're in the world and you like realize the stories that you're watching, I'm glued.
Now I'm a fan.Oh, the showmanship though, the athleticism.And dude, getting to choke slam awesome theories.Oh my God, that was, dude, that was sick.That's never happened in my career.Dude, that was sick.
I remember seeing that, I was like, why, yes.
Yes.I'm telling you, dude, I'm coming, man.Let's go.Oh, dude, you choked the fuck out of him.And I caught the bug in a way that I've never caught a bug.Sick.Yeah, I caught a bug so much, I think I'm going to buy a ring.It was awesome, dude.
And to shoot on it for a second, because I haven't got to do this yet, and this is where I've been hoping I got to do it.Let's go. Austin Theory is a superhero.He is a fucking hero, is what he is.
And I'm not in the business, so I don't gotta carry kayfabe.That dude made me look like a fucking rock star.I love that dude and will forever, because he told me that whole night, he was like, I got you, dog.Trust me.
And because I looked at, I sat down with R-Truth and Miz earlier in the night, and I said, look, y'all, if we do this right, we should have a top three viral moment.
I was like, Roman's return, Logan's flip, Arch fucking five knuckle shuffling chokeslam.That should be the three moments.It was the three moments, by the way.Dead on.
And I was like, if we pull this, and something you'll appreciate about this, and you can ask Miz, is I did the work too, though.I went back there and really got with Miz, and I spent some time back there.I do not, he's the best.
He is the fucking dude.He is the dude.R-Truth too.Miz is probably like a mentor to you, huh?Especially being an old Cleveland dude.
Send me a gift for my baby girl.Just sweet dude.He's awesome.I love him.And such a good coach.
Such a good coach, man.I felt like I was in the better hands in Allstate.I mean, I felt so comfortable with them.
I feel bad every time they make me wrestle him that I just have to beat his ass.Yeah, right.You got to do what you got to do.
At least you got to give a bump, bro.And you didn't have to fucking take one.He got his ass beat.The Usos flooded him up.You got to give a bump.Yeah, dude.
You got to slam somebody.I got smoked, bro.You should watch the Usos super kicking though.
Fuck!It was crazy in Saudi Arabia, dude.
I love Jacob.I love Jacob, by the way.Oh, yeah.Fatou?I think Fatou is... I think he is one of the... He is the dude.I love that dude as a dude, but I love him as a wrestler.I love his...
I love everything about very clear rising star.He's he's one of the only guys who really stands out to me.And I think everyone else sees it.And while I like, I recognize his greatness.Part of me also thinks He's on my list.
And I will be wrestling him in the near future and we're going to be going at it.So I sort of see him as competition.
The speed of that match is going to be crazy.
If y'all ever do end up in a situation, the speed of that.
I promise you we're going to go fucking crazy.Wow.Crazy. I don't know when it's gonna happen, but dude, it's inevitable.I hope so.
I'll tell you what, I'm coming.If it ever happens, I'm coming.It's gonna go crazy.To me, that's the two up-and-comers, man.The two wild cards in the WWE.Though y'all two have the two storylines that I think could go anywhere.
That is true, that is true.I got to figure it out.
Everybody else you can kind of see a little bit of how it's going, but y'all two are like, I can really kind of go wherever it wants to go.
They're like, so we actually can't even do that.Hold on, I want to ask him, are you hungry right now?Not at all.You got food?I did, I just put out a new product actually, it's called Bunchly. It's better for you than Lunchables.
Are we allowed to say that?Yeah.I'm saying that like I'm in the company now.Here's the way I use the word.You are.Are we allowed to say that?Yeah, we are.
It's got 400 milligrams of electrolytes, only, you know, nine grams of protein per pack.It loves for you.
Hey, I just did Mercury.I know.Small amount, tiny amount.Almost like an amount you wouldn't even like recognize as real.
Well, I didn't know that.
I do love the lunch.Um, I appreciate you jelly roll.Look, I know you have a Show tonight, which is fucking crazy that you even did.Yeah, thank you, baby.
I'm sorry I appreciate you coming on so much your vulnerability means so much to me so much to Mike and so much to our audience and I
I know you were joking, but I can assure you that any impulsive fans who didn't know who you were, that now know who you were, are going to be attending your shows and following your life and career, man, because you have made an impression on all of us in this room and everyone watching today.
Thank you so much for joining us.I appreciate your time.Love you, man. Jelly Roll, ladies and gentlemen.You have a new album?Yes.October?October the 11th.It's called Beautifully Broken.It's out now.We're fixing to come out.
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