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We're recording a little early, earlier than we normally would see.Still kind of putting one in the bank.We've got a special guest coming up. There's also- Knowledge fight tonight.Knowledge fight, Dan and Jordan, stay tuned, it's gonna be great.
But Cecil, it's an anniversary for us today.It is.It's 800, 800 episodes.
800 episodes.When we first started out, did you think we'd make it?It just never occurred to me, because when we first, we did another show, and we had only made it to like 70 or something like that.I've never committed to anything like this.
And that felt like- And I mean that.And that felt like a long, even the 70, because it was a couple of years, felt like a long time.It felt like we were like, wow, this is, because we were skipping weeks and things like that.Yeah.
But this has been not only 800 episodes, the first few we skipped here and there, but not only 800 episodes, I would say maybe from like 20 on, we haven't skipped a week.
Yeah, this podcast has outlived, I've never worked a job longer than this.Yeah.We've been doing this now, 800 episodes, we've been doing podcasting now for 17 plus years.Yeah.I've never done anything for 17 years, Cecil.
Well, cheers, buddy, we did it.
This is it.We did it in 800, that's solid.This is amazing.And next week, not this week, because we thought it was gonna come out the day before voting, but we're gonna have one more show before,
we vote on, before most of you, I already voted, but most people vote in November.But this is the show before that.And so right beforehand, we of course wanna urge everybody to go out and vote.
And I've been seeing a lot on my feed lately, Facebook feed, a lot of Democrats and Republicans are the same.They're the same thing.And a lot of refusal to vote.
A lot of, I'm not going to vote because I don't feel like either of these parties has my interest. And I've fought this fight a bunch.I think like, at this point, I'm kind of at my wits end.I think you should vote.
I think there is definitely a lesser of two evils in this election.We've said it multiple times.I think a lot of people, you know, I think we should be disgusted by what's happening in Gaza.I don't disagree.I think Gaza's a horror.
I don't think that there is, I think that there's one side that you might be able to change their mind and one you can't. And that I think might, should at least push you to vote.
The other thing I think too, is a lot of people are forgetting about Ukraine.
Many people are suggesting that, you know, that Gaza is the biggest piece, but you have to understand that if Trump gets in, we could pull all funding from Ukraine and all help from Ukraine.
And that could really be a very volatile situation over there that could even eclipse what's happening in Gaza.So like, I think there's a lot of reasons to vote this election. But to the people who just 100% are like, no, I will not.
I cannot morally do it.I can't convince you.I can't convince you.I've said it many times.I can't convince you.But I do want to say, if you're that person, please don't just do nothing.My suggestion to you is do something.There are things you can do.
You don't think anybody recognizes you and anybody represents you.And I understand that.I get it. but there are ways to help change our government that would help you and help many other people.The first thing I would suggest is ranked choice voting.
Ranked choice voting can change how we represent people in the state and it can be done on a state level, not a national level.So it's easier to implement.
The other thing is grassroots, another party grassroots organizing can help change many local elections and that across the nation. can help build grassroots for many different parties.
And that won't just be the two main parties in our government, the Democrat and Republican, it can help build other parties with more values that are more closely related to the values that you identify with.Those two things can really help.
What I see a lot of is, I tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas, so I'm just gonna complain about it.My suggestion is please, if this really does mean that much to you that you would, you know, not choose to vote.
I think you're leaving a lot on the table and possibly harming people.But, you know, you got to do something.And I think I would urge you to try to do something like that instead.
Yeah, I want to add to that.Same thing, I will say, I've made my case over the years, over the last year, as clearly as I can make it.Obviously not everybody agrees with me.I think this is a trolley problem.
I think you have no, there is no option for the trolley not to run over people.You've got to pull the lever.You've got to make a choice.If you decide not to make a choice, couple of things to add to that, Cecil, like, Social media is not activism.
Complaining about stuff is not activism.That's nothing, right?What matters?Let's raise money.Run for local office.Canvas for causes.Volunteer for an organization that you believe in and show up.You've got to put time, energy, and your body into it.
If what you bring to the table is vitriol in a comment section, a strongly worded email to somebody who doesn't have power to make change, you have not done anything.And I would suggest that if that is your level of engagement, you don't care.
You don't care. If you care and you can't bring yourself to vote, again, I've made my case.I still think that that's not a good case for you to make.We would have to disagree on that.All of those things matter.Raise money, money makes a difference.
Canvas, that makes a difference.Volunteer for organizations that represent your values and show up and do things on an outreach level.What you can't do is just be somebody who's mad on the internet.That's nothing. Take it a step further.
If you're not going to engage with your civil, I don't know, I want to say civil responsibility, but people will push back at the idea that that's a responsibility.
Yeah, you're shaming people if that's the case.
I'm not trying to say that.I just can't come up with the right word.If you're not going to engage with your sort of- You're not going to engage civically.The civic process, right.The civic process.Then that's fine.I get that.
But there are things you can do.What you can't do is sit out.Like you can't sit out because you're mad.That's not going to accomplish anything.I totally agree with you.
I also want to mention too, on this upcoming week, so last week, this will have released on Friday.So you can download this right now.On the other show I do, this Lawful Assembly show, Craig and I interviewed a Georgia State professor.
who is an expert on pernicious polarization.And we talked to her for about an hour.The final podcast is, I think, about 40, 45 minutes long.But this woman has a really interesting take on why
We live in a country that is so diametrically opposed politically.Too long, didn't listen.
I hope you listen because I think it's a really great interview that opens up a lot of the things and explains a lot of the reasons why we're in this position in a lot of nuance that I can't do in a minute.
But the sort of short of it is that we live in a time now where the politics used to be that there was a cross-party humanitarian thing. That was for both parties.So it would be there was people in the Republican side and on the Democrat side.
Both thought that civil rights was a good idea.And then there were people who opposed it on either side.We have become a and I think wedge issues help this become a place where
That isn't accepted, where people in one party really only have values about certain things, and then the other party has values about other things, and those two parties have too hard of edges to make it so that we can actually do anything.
We're frozen because of this.And one of her solutions is rank-choice voting changes everything.
It changes everything because you suddenly get a myriad of people who can come in and there's people that are at different levels of agreement with certain population centers.
And so what happens is candidates have to throw a much broader net in order to get more people.So they have to be more understanding.
And it changes, you can see it completely change in all these places all across the globe that don't have these two-party systems that fight each other all the time.
So I encourage you to listen to that, but like I said, I encourage you to go out, too, if this is something that you're so upset about, the two-party system is what's causing a lot of this damage, and it can be fixed.
There's ways to fix it, but we've gotta motivate to do it.
And lastly, I wanna touch on, and Cecil and I have talked about this on the show, we've certainly talked about it off air amongst ourselves.For those who think that we've not taken a position on Gaza, we have.Gaza is a genocide.
What is occurring in Gaza is a fucking genocide.We've said it on the show.Yeah, multiple times.Many times, we've said it on the show.It is a genocide.I strongly believe that only gets worse under a Trump presidency.It will not, there is no world
where there's a red line for Trump.There's no world where a guy who moved, I've said it before, moved the fucking embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem as a show of support and defiance.
Right-wing Republican leaders have signed bombs, signed their names to bombs. If you think that both sides are the same, you're objectively wrong.You're not subjectively wrong.You're objectively wrong.They're not the same.They are not the same.
There is no hope.There is no hope that anything that a Republican administration will do will do anything other than further exacerbate the problem over there. It's just, that's just the case.It's a fucking nightmare as it is.
I don't want to pretend it's not a fucking absolute hellscape, humanitarian disaster, genocidal nightmare.It is.It gets worse under a Trump administration.
All right, so this story comes from the New York Times, as Trump served up McDonald's fries, vitriol boiled outside.Let me read the subheading, because this is so fucking crazy.
I'm going to put the thing on the big screen, too, if we can.
In Pennsylvania, a critical swing state, supporters of Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, some in weird costumes, gathered along a roadside and screamed at one another. This is where we're at.
You've got the former president, a 34 count felon, who's running for the third time for public office, playing fucking kitchen.Yeah, cosplay.Yeah, cosplaying at a McDonald's while the two sides dressing costumes outside and scream at each other.
This is American democracy.I want off the ride.
I want off the right.You know, when I saw this though, when I saw Trump in this outfit doing this, they closed the restaurant down.They, they made it so that, you know, the people who came in were already planned to come in.He's, you know,
Someone had said that he had like multiple health code violations while he was doing the work.I didn't watch him do the work, so I can't make those calls.Also, I don't know what the health code is where he's at either.
It's pretty universal, but there are changes in certain places.So I don't know.
He's scooping the fries with rafts from New York.
I can't make that call, but I will say this. Pay attention, this is a guy who, in order to try to prove Kamala Harris wrong, that she didn't work at McDonald's.
A man who has never once ever had to do this for more than 15 minutes than he did, did this as a show.This is a show, this is, This is cosplaying as the working class, just like he likes to cosplay with the military.He does the exact same thing.
He was never part of the military in any way, but he loves to make it seem like he would have been if he were.
Same thing here, I would have been a great McDonald's employee if I was an actual, but he never had to, because he had a gift of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars from his father in order to start a business. None of this is true.
This is all just him cosplaying as a real person.Do this for one, you and I both worked in fast food.That's a hard fucking job.It's a hard fucking job. You're busting your ass the entire time you're back there.There is no waiting.
There is no standing.You are constantly being hounded to continue to work and to work faster.It's stressful.It's difficult.You're on your feet all day.It's exhausting.It's all those things. It's dirty, it's sweaty.He didn't experience any of that.
Not a minute.What he did was he came in to show people who are too stupid to understand that he's not like that and he never will have to be like that.He can exist off his own wealth.
You know, like a couple of things, like here he is. dressed in a fucking suit, like a shirt and a tie and a nice pair of pants, doing his fucking man of the people poverty play acting.
And this is a kind of like middle-class stolen valor bullshit that he really likes to do.Like to your point about the military, like this feels the same thing, like a middle-class stolen valor, right?Like where he never earned a minute of this.
He's not really working in the restaurant.There are no steaks.The customers are fake.The restaurant's closed for the day. And I see this and I'm like, who is this for?Who is this for?And I don't understand the answer.
I don't know who's gobbling this up like these fucking hamburgers that he's so in love with.Who is gobbling this up?
I think who sees this and is like, that's my guy, that fucking 76 year old man in a fucking crisp white shirt and a red tie with an apron briefly playing at work one day to be like, isn't it cute what you people have to do to earn money?
Think about the 76 year old people that have to work there during what they would consider their retirement.Yeah, man.Because they can't make ends meet.
When I'm doing that, I'm not going to be impressed by this.
Tom will take them out back and throw them in the dumpster.I've done it before.Accidentally light it on fire.I've done it before. You know, who is it for?And I think it's clearly for his diehards.
But it's also for them as a way in which to try to poke at Kamala Harris because they think she's a liar.So what they'll do is they'll make a bunch of memes out of these photos, which is clearly a photo op.
They're going to make a bunch of memes about it to say like,
The exact things that you're saying, the cosplaying as a regular person, cosplaying as a working Joe, the stolen valor of the middle class, they'll make all those same comments, but they'll mean it, right?
They'll make all those same comments be like, this is what a real man, a real man of the people looks like. And I guarantee they're gonna post something like that.
The only people that are gonna believe that I think are the real true believers, but it does carry a weight to it for them and it engages them in the process of sharing him and that's a win for him.
Yeah, like, you know, I look at this and it's like, one of the messages behind this is that what he finds unbelievable about Kamala Harris is that she's worked hard.And he finds that unbelievable, and he's pushing back on that.
Like it's such a nothing thing for her to be like, yeah, I worked at McDonald's.Like, yeah, a lot of people worked at McDonald's.Like something like 20% of Americans work at a McDonald's.It's a lot, because they're everywhere.
Yeah, so like, when she's like, yeah, I worked at a McDonald's, he seizes on that, and he finds it so egregious and unbelievable because he can't conceive of the idea of having done hard work. Right?
It's like embedded in the messages like, why would anyone believe that somebody successful has had to work their way up from the ground?That's the American dream we're all supposed to buy.We're all supposed to believe in the bootstraps, right?
We're all supposed to believe in the idea that like, this is the possibility of the American dream.I don't think, I think we're a lot of jaded on that concept now.I think we should be jaded on that concept.
I think the economic realities of the America we live in now make that less and less likely for people to sort of move up the economic and social ladder, right?But that's what we've been sold.That's what we've been told.
That's our cultural myth and mythology.So it's really telling on himself when he's like, I don't believe it.That is unbelievable.That is something that none of us, this is laughable how silly it would be that somebody could work their way up.
It's an interesting take, and I don't disagree with it, it might be true.My thought is it almost feels like he's upset that she's horning in on a demographic that he thinks he has sewn up.
The working class.I think he thinks he has it sewn up and that the working class should only adore him.And so her saying things like, I grew up middle class, I was working class, I worked at McDonald's, that upsets him.
That makes him mad because she's coming after his audience.I worked to get that, even though this audience has not, I mean, like you said, nothing whatsoever.In fact, he probably has contempt for those people.Absolutely he does.
But it's an attack on her to try to show that she's not genuine.It's an attack on her to maybe show that, you know, like, Like, it's unbelievable that she got to this, she actually did that work, etc.She's lying.
But really what it is, I think, is that he doesn't like to be shown up by a woman.
I think that's exactly it.I think it's also... It's really telling about like the state of American politics now and the way the political gamesmanship has devolved that we are no longer even making pretenses toward talking about substance.
And instead we're doing this.Could you imagine any of the previous presidential candidates doing this?No, this is insane.
and pandering that I never thought I would ever see in my entire, I mean, this is pretty, I mean, I'm willing to have my eyes open if somebody has an example out there that's very similar to this, but I've seen these people come into these places, right?
Like Bill Clinton comes in and gets a shake from the shake machine that only works once a day. He comes in and gets a shake.And then they make it a big deal because he came in and got a shake at McDonald's.That's a different story.
That's a different thing.That's a different thing than somebody serving up fries.
I never thought I'd see this level.I never thought I'd see somebody serve up fries as a fuck you to somebody who's like, yeah, I served up fries 25 or 30 years ago.You're like, like, if I, I guess like, I'm just like, I am, am I crazy?
None of this matters.None of this, how does this solve any of my problems?Like as a citizen of this country, as a citizen of the world.How does this address any of my fucking worries or concerns or anxieties or fears for my children?
Like, how is this anything?I look at this and I'm like, the fuck?I mean, like, this is a guy who spent the first 12 minutes of a rally in Pennsylvania talking about Arnold Palmer's dick.
But these people sit in this crowd and it's, Kamala Harris has said it multiple times, he will talk about himself and the crowd will adore it, they'll love it.She will try to talk about problems that you're having.
That's a very different, it's a very different approach.
It's a different approach because what he's figured out is like all charismatic autocrats If he can get people to buy into his cult of personality, he doesn't need to.That's why he's like, yeah, no tax for overtime.No, no.
I mean, he said he'll like come up with like, he'll just parrot left-wing ideas because like, what do you want to hear?
I'm not doing any of it.I'll just come up with a great medical plan.I don't know, whatever sounds you want my face to make, it doesn't matter.Adore me.It's a concept of a plan.It's a concept of a plan.
We are joined by Dan and Gordon.
Hi.So a little issue with the video for this guest section.It did get corrupted.So unfortunately, there is no video available.So don't go looking for it if you're just listening to the audio.But you can listen to these beautiful men.
talk at you rather than see them.But you know what?It's better for your imagination to envision what you think they look like rather than seeing live photos of all four of them.So have at it.Thank you so much.On with the show with Knowledge Fight.
So we are joined by Dan and Jordan from Knowledge Fight.Guys, it's been too long.How have you been?Way too long.
It has been too long.We have been exactly the same.
Almost exactly the same, except now I have a mustache and Jordan has a headband.
Cosmetic differences.That's what we're going for.
Okay, so guys, this is like the big thing that has come up recently, and we've got to start with it. I saw that all of Alex Jones's shit is gonna be auctioned off.I saw a link getting passed around.
They're passing around the link for all Alex Jones's shit.And I gotta ask, let's say somebody comes in and acquires 51% of it.Do you have to make fun of them now?
Are you contractually obligated to make fun of the person who has his equipment once he quits?
I mean, not contractually, but like, if you are someone who's going to do that, I'll make fun of you.If you're going to buy his shit, I'll make fun of you.That's a bad choice.
Are you talking more, more of like a, a, a idle hand scenario where anybody who has the equipment, has it infused with the, evil spirit of Infowars and thus no matter what they produce, it will become evil eventually?I think so.
It's like a Stephen King thing going on.There's like a monkey paw under every... No, you need a Van Helsing for that.We are not Van Helsing shit.That's not our thing.
No, that's after episode 1000, we're Van Helsing.Are we Van Helsing?
You just got to let me know in advance.Otherwise, I sound like an asshole.
We're getting into monster hunting from here on out.That's it.
How excited are you guys for that, for that auction?You guys have got, you clearly are bidding on the desk, right?
Well, see, I felt like there was an elephant in the room and that was a bit of a feud we have over the desk.
As much as I want to lay claim to the Knowledge Fight, or to the Info Wars desk.Same way. I am not an InfoWars.
I feel like when they do an Alex Jones, like fucking TKO behind him, like when Knowledge Fight has actually knocked him out, like it's you guys, like you gotta get the desk.Like I'll take second fiddle to the desk at this point.
This is an amazing change of tune.
You just gotta let us use it once in a while.We'll just come over once in a while.I just wanna fuck on it.
I just don't feel like you understand our oppositional defiance to literally basically anything.Now I wanna burn that desk to the ground.
No one will have the desk.
I wake up in the morning and just part of the desk is sitting next to me in bed.
It'll be Flotsam that shows up for Tom Hanks to talk to.
I swear the last time we talked, it was almost like we were gonna come to fisticuffs about the desk and now.
I think it was, but I've done a lot of soul searching on the issue of the desk.And I feel like maybe I don't earn the desk.Maybe I could just, like I said, I do want to fuck on it though.I do want to fuck on the desk at least twice.
I think we can agree to some of these terms.At least, because I'll be so excited the first time will be over very quick.
What if we like rented it out as a porn filming location? Every every like casting couch was just the casting info Wars desk now from here on out
I don't support casting, I feel like I don't want to talk about casting videos now, they're very, it's fucking awful.I wish I didn't know about them, what's wrong with me?
I feel like as much as I want the InfoWars desk, and I did want that, but again, like I would cede it to my betters, I understand that.
What I really want now, I've thought about this, what I really want is the printer that printed out all of his internet news articles that he passed around on the desk. I don't want his bullshit printer.I want a printer that is like it's 3d prints.
Actual bullshit.It'd be on its last legs.
Oh yeah.Oh yeah.Burned through printers.
That's some right there.Imagine if you've got that printer, everything's going fine.You're printing stuff out.And then one day three or four sheets of paper just start coming out with things that you didn't want.
Or you're printing an article and it comes out wrong.Like you're just like, information gets screwed up by the printer.This is the whole problem.
You're looking at the screen, the page, the screen, the page.They don't fucking match.How can they not match?How is Washington Post mentioning lizard aliens?
That's insane.Haunted printer.What are you going to do? Colleague Van Helsing.What an episode for Needful Things, Haunted Prison.
All Alex shows is shit.You know what's interesting is that you've had a switch of position on the desk and I kind of have too.
Because like when the breakdown of all of his property and stuff came out, it was like that desk is worth like $40,000 or something.
What the shit?What the fuck?Other than a joke and obviously a platform for fucking, what does somebody else need an InfoWars desk for?
Right, right.And I was like, I don't want to have a $40,000 desk in my home.I don't want a $40,000 anything in my home.
Yeah, that's a nice car plus $15,000.What the fuck are we talking about right now?This is too much. Holy shit.So what I wonder about valuations like that though is like, yeah, like the desk probably costs a lot of money to make.
but the next guy's got to want it $40,000 worth of wanted.You know what I mean?It's like, there's somebody out there that's, that has a real expensive beanie baby and it's not expensive anymore.
And they're like, but I paid four grand for this fucking little duck or whatever.And it's like, yeah, but the next guy's not doing that.So you have a $12 purchasing the desk.
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Post nut clarity on the desk.It's like, you're like popping.You look up, you're like, okay, I made a huge mistake.
That wasn't worth $40,000.
What you've touched on, too, though, is the the sort of irony of all of Alex's possessions is that, like, they're either worth nothing or a lot.Like, yes, depend.They're just like a beanie baby.
It's like if someone wants that desk, the fact that Alex owned it makes it worth fifty thousand dollars instead of 40.But for everyone else, it's it's just a fucking desk.It's like Hitler's jockstrap or whatever.
You know, it's like you're like, all right, that's not really worth anything objectively, but some weirdo out there is like, I want to put my balls where his balls were. So when is the auction happening?Did it already happen?Is it going on now?
It's November 13th is when the official, I just imagine a gavel or a hammer.
Oh, I hope there's a guy that's doing the da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
That would be amazing.An auctioneer?I hope it's a reverse auctioneer where they start high and go low.You know, and you just, cause that's the thing.You just like listen to them kind of talk themselves down slowly.You don't want this.
Pay less for this. What are you gonna do with this?What are you gonna do with this?What are you gonna do with this?What are you gonna do with this?This is shit.This is shit.You don't want it.Nobody wants it.
It's, uh, I think I I'm mystified by this whole process and I don't really know how it all works, but I think there's like people bidding, even as we speak right now, like there is the behind the scenes of all that stuff, but then it's going to come to a head on the 13th.
I wish it was, I wish it was a quick talking guy though.I do wish that amazing.
I know that that's very rare for actual auctions, and I also don't care at all, and in my mind, that's the only way they're ever done.It does not matter at all to me that that is in direct opposition to the truth that I actually have knowledge of.
Don't care.They're all cattle auctions.You need a paddle.So what is next for Alex Jones, though?Because they're going to sell all his shit. Is he going to be able to, for lack of a better term, broadcast again?
Will he just do the talk show guest circuit?I was thinking about this.If you sell all my shit, but I'm still the personality.
wouldn't I just do like guest spots, like paid guest spots on like crazy pants radio and everything and like continue my, my organization that way?
Well, uh, tomorrow Alex is going to own crazy pants dot radio, just in case. Yeah, of course.I mean, he's going to do all that stuff, but he's also going to be able to keep broadcasting.
Like he's not going to lose everything, everything in the way that we imagine.And he's already set up his whole structure to, to like land
All of his supplements are through his dad's company now, like the Dr. Jones naturals and all of his, like all this merch and shirts and hats and stuff goes through the Alex Jones store.com that's run by somebody else.
And he just launched Alex Jones dot network, which is the website where his show will be once he loses info wars. And he's been he's been really explicit about this on the show.He said, we're doing all this stuff.
And then if we end up winning and somebody who we like buys InfoWars, it'll all just get folded back into InfoWars.He's been very clear about this.
I feel like, I don't know anything about the law and I don't want to pretend that I do, but I feel like this is not how it's supposed to work.When you lose everything, you're supposed to lose something.Isn't that how that's supposed to work?
It's not like- It feels like- You know what's crazy?
What's crazy is that so far, everyone, to a man or person, has rejected my solution, which is turn him into a Quasimodo.Put him up in a bell tower. bell tower.That's it.I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to take a man's money.
I understand where he's coming from, but now he has to live in a bell tower for everybody.
I think that what he should do is be forced to be like Desmond on lost, you know, like he has to be in that, uh, in the, down in the hole, pressing that button every 108 minutes to save the world to be important.
You want it to be chosen by God.There you go.Yeah.
You are saving the world by pressing this button every 108 minutes, but that's all we need from you.Just do that.That's the whole thing.That's the whole job.Live in that bunker.Live in that hole.Stop bothering everybody.
Okay.So there's no, he's not going off the air.He's not going to stop broadcasting.He's just pivoting to a different website.Basically his cronies or buddies are going to buy the desk and give it back to him.Probably nothing
nothing's really gonna happen.Like the haunted printer will continue to spit out like fucking.
Something will happen.The money from that, the proceeds from that will go to the victims.So that's something.
Yeah.Yeah.There's definitely some little things that have been accomplished along the way.And I don't mean little things.
There has been things that have been accomplished, but in terms of if people have been anticipating like a grand explosion, the odds of that are pretty low.
You know, and then, and then let's be honest, like in a certain sense, you know, what are you going to do?What are you going to, you're going to cut his tongue out.You know, you don't want to set that precedent.
So it's a certain amount of like, Hey, I get it, but we are where we are as a society.You know, this, it kind of makes sense.I don't know.I don't know.What is every, what does everybody want out of this?
Well, I think to mitigate his ability to do further damage.See, it's not even money, really.It's like something ephemeral, some sort of like, the man deserves a dunce cap.The man deserves something.
Every 108 minutes, somebody walks in and slaps him in the face and then walks off.
See, everybody has their own kind of idea of what should be happening.And what is happening is maybe the best that can be done realistically.
See, see, slapping him in the face is physical assault.Okay.I might be opposed to that, but shoot him with silly string.That would work.
Or every 108 minutes, someone comes on set and tricks him with a squirting flower and he has to fall for it every time. Like on his lapel.So he looks like an idiot.
Or they trick him with the shit on your shirt.You got something on your shirt and then they hit him with the poop in his nose.Something like that.
Someone has to make him look stupid every 180 minutes.
Like, I know I'm an American.I'm supposed to blah, blah, blah about civil rights and free speech.But like, sometimes I'm like, well, but- No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You can stop right there.Before you continue- You just got stopped by Jordan. I know I'm supposed to care about civil rights.It's never the beginning of a good thing to say.You fucking flipped a gasket so fast.Why finish it?
Why finish the sentence when the beginning of the sentence is already bad?
Listen, black people should vote, but nope, you can stop.You can stop.You don't have to keep going.
Everyone can say whatever they want, but Alex, we can get him to shut up about stuff.If you could have the power of the state shot collar.
So now here's my question for you guys, obviously you've studied, that's a strong word for, you guys have spent a lot of time with Alex Jones and thinking about Alex Jones.Does he do this again and find himself in similar trouble down the road?
In other words, will this be a perpetuating cycle or do you think he learned a lesson here about where that limit is with respect to like culpability and repercussions?
he's gotten a little bit better about not identifying people.I have to be very qualified about that because he still kind of does sometimes, but like he tries not to identify mass shooters and stuff like that until there's confirmation.
Like he's gotten a little bit burned by the stovetop, but he's also definitely done the exact same thing that he did to the San Diego families to other people, even just like in the last six months, like he, he has targeted people unnecessarily.
Roger Stone's been on pretty regularly misidentifying the shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania saying that it's a, another guy is probably involved Um, and so like, they're, they're doing very similar behaviors.
They're going to hurt a whole, like a whole lot more people.Uh, it's, he's not going to stop.
And so do you think he's going to end up like just constantly selling the same desk back to himself over and over again?
The way that Jordan is, is like bleakly put it is like, well, why would he ever think that there's consequences if like, after all of this, he's able to just like move these supplement companies over to this other company outside of his company.
Unless he reckons with why people are mad about what he did, I can't imagine a scenario where he would change.
So I'm curious, well, I was thinking about this with respect to Alex Jones on my drive up to the studio today.So I was wondering if what you think of this idea that for most of us, let's say I got sued into fucking oblivion tomorrow.
I would find that terribly damaging.It would have huge long stream consequences on my life that I may never recover from.But I think like for influencers of a certain sort of size,
They are just genuinely immune because they have so much pull into the audience and into the world that they have an unlimited money bank.They have an unlimited bank account that they can just return back into.
So I'm wondering what you think of that idea that at a certain amount of influence with the general public, you essentially become immune to consequence.
Okay, okay, right.However, counterpoint, counterpoint, the NXIVM cult, they're doing worse, right?
Are they though?I don't know.
I don't know either.I think that guy went to jail.It's not about whatever's real.
The point is, it feels like that's a good response.But like, I feel like if you're like a Kardashian or something, right, just to use like a very like pop example,
I think genuinely, somebody as big as that, at this point, barring a scandal that's just gonna throw them in jail, that's gonna threaten their actual liberty, they kind of had an unlimited number of trips to the well, so to speak.
So if they go bankrupt on Wednesday, by Thursday morning, they're fucking rich again, because they'll just, exactly like Alex, just grift under a new you know, fucking LLC or whatever.
Yeah.And I don't think it's unlimited.And Alex is no Kardashian, but like, you know, I think everybody, I mean that ass though, it is precisely the same thickness and length and curvature as the neck.
Alex Jones is 100% clapping those cheeks on that desk every night.
Every night.No one was happy that OJ Simpson had money after he lost the civil cases.And I think that Alex can be rich in the same way that maybe he did.But he's just... there's diminishing.
There's diminishing of how rich he can be based on these consequences.Um, and there, that is something that kind of sucks.Like he can't run this business himself.
His dad has to run it.I guess that's why I was asking.Is he still, did he learn a lesson maybe?Cause what I was hoping is like, maybe he'll just be talking about like,
space alien lizard people in monoatomic gold and, you know, this sort of like, I don't want to say call it harmless because most of it's deeply anti-Semitic, but like this sort of trope-y shit that's been like passed around forever that probably kind of stays contained among the moon people or whatever.
But now it sounds like he's still just, you know, same old trick.So same old Dan.
Are we assuming that the moon people are real in this scenario? you don't understand.I'm fine.If we are, I just need to know for sure.Otherwise I'm going to feel like the idiot when I'm like, you don't even know the moon people.
I think I think the difficult position we're in right now is that like the election is coming up and that auction and either of those has a potential to branch the path that Alex is on and maybe he will just get into lizard shit and stuff like if things go a certain direction but
You know, depending on if Trump wins or doesn't, the narrative will be different.Like it's Trump will have won, but it's either he's won and now he's in power or he's won and Kamala stole it.Let's presume Trump gets in office.
What would be the the thing that would change?What would Alex Jones say about something like that?
Well, he'd need to, uh, you know, the enemy needs to shift a little bit, you know, just the same way that when Trump, I see when Trump won the first time, the deep state is like the, it becomes this, uh, war inside the agencies and all this.
And so he'd need to do that again to make an excuse for why Trump isn't doing all the utopian shit he claimed he was going to do.Whereas if Kamala wins, then it's just a simple game of Trump secretly won and they stole the election.I see.I see.
I mean, I wonder if the real here's maybe what the deeper question you're asking is.And I think it applies to all of us is when was the last time anybody ever said was just like, hey, man, I think we fucked up.I think we just fucked up.
Like, is Alex going to be like, hey, you know what?Trump lost.I think we boned it.All of the stuff that I've said, all of the whole thing, I think I choked it.I think I really failed you guys on this one and I'm going to be better.
I think tomorrow I'm going to do it.
spirit of Christmas comes back with his desk with a bow on it there.
You learn something in the political game.
I want to, I want to come to you all and give you a very sincere apology.My printer has been haunted for the last 30 years.
We saged it, we saged the printer, it's a lot better.
Now a guy came and threw water at it.
What is Alex Jones's, is he talking a lot about the election as of late?Is he spending a lot of time on politics?Because I know for a while he was very Trump gung-ho, but he goes hot and cold sometimes.So I'm just curious where he's at now.
He's very, I mean, he's hot, he's hot. Um, it's a matter of survival and Harris works for the devil.So, okay.
It's definitely, uh, implied that if you want to live, you got to vote for Trump.Um, but he's also so bored by the actual election that like, there's no substance to anything.He'll just cover various shit he saw on Twitter and then yell about it.
So like, I think he's checked out of the actual election, but he still cares a lot about the idea of Trump winning.
what's the over under on five years before he has a fucking heart attack?Cause that guy, that guy's walking around with just like an enormous, even if it's fake, an enormous amount of like acted stress all the time.
He looks like he is an aneurysm with fucking legs on it.Like I see that guy and I'm like, that's not going in a, this is not a 20 year long, He's not making it.
It's, it's complicated.Cause I went to Pennsylvania to see his show with Tucker.Um, I, and Oh my God.Oh my God.I was kind of shocked by, he came out on stage and he was moving.Okay.Like better than I thought he would be walking.
And Jordan is dying right now because the, because the bar is, he walked onto the stage with relatively little difficulty.
I don't know how to respond to he's moving.Okay.Without laughter.
It feels like when Trump showed everybody he could drink a glass of water.
I've seen him dunk off his ass on all these podcasts and like taking his shirt off and he looks like shit.He can like hobble around.And I feel like even when I was, uh, did that deposition in Texas a few years back, like I felt like you, you
felt like he was moving a little bit better than he did then.Um, and he looked somewhat healthy.Uh, but also if you watch that show, he, he is like what you're saying.
He looks like he's gonna, his heart's going to give out, he's screaming and he looks like shit.Like in terms of like the energy that he has, it's heart attack energy.Uh, but he looked, he's been looking better.
I, I hate to say it, but you know, if we're going to, we're going to talk about him looking sloppy at times.
You know, he could move, he could walk.When you went to go see Tucker and Alex Jones, did you two go together?Did one of you get, like, did you do two, two guys in a trench coat to get in and somebody wore like a fake nose and mustache?Is that?
Jordan was on my shoulders.
I'm not, I'm not allowed in public.Let's put it, let's start there.I'm not allowed in public.Cause if I, if I get outside bad trouble, trouble is just like a bird that sits on my shoulder. So Dan is the intrepid explorer in this scenario.
Intrepid.Intrepid's an interesting word because I did.The reason I have a mustache is because I wanted to go in disguise slightly.
Intrepid includes a mustache.
But yeah, I went, Jordan, I feel like you would have probably had a miserable time in this room full of people chanting like, USA, USA.
I just feel like Jordan would have no fucking chill at all in that situation and a thousand percent tell on himself.Like there's no, I don't think you'd get through 10 minutes.
Can I tell you, I'll tell you this about myself and not to agree with you, but to more emphatically agree with you. could ever possibly understand.I love baseball.I love going to Cubs games.
And at the beginning of every Cubs game, there will be, or, you know, somewhere in the early stages, there will be like, here's somebody who is in the military service and everybody will stand up and they will applaud.
And I will sit there and I will look at everyone and go like, Are we still at war?I don't think so.And just remain seated in fury as 30,000 people applaud someone who probably had nothing to do with an actual war.
Jordan fights 26,000 Cub fans.Just get in a fucking line, let's go, one on one.Wrapped around the whole thing.
That's what it would have been at the Tucker show, except I'm off on the side, getting a pretzel kicked out by a bunch of racists.So tell me who is more concerning to you, Tucker or Alex Jones. think Tucker for sure.
Because I think that Alex, they're already starting to use him as if he's dead.You know, they're starting to use him as like, look at this profit type, who he saw it all coming.He knew everything in advance.He's so ahead of his time.
And that shit does not work if you're wrong constantly.And so the less he does have a show in the future, the more UC is to people like Tucker, but listening to Tucker, I felt like he has a different thing.
Like there's a lot of emotion to he's a whiny little baby.And for some reason, that's not a problem for the audience that likes him.And that scares me a bit because it's, it's, it connects very emotionally to, to the folks.And I don't know.
You can't really argue with that.Can't argue with emotion.
There's like a weird confluence with like the Tuckers and the Jordan Petersons and like there's a whole crew of those guys who like do this weird espousing of this hyper masculinity virtue and then they cry and weep about it as if to be like,
I guess they seem to be at odds with their own presentation of what masculinity means in a way that somehow their crying lends credibility back to it.It's like, well, this is the foil.
This is my emotional vulnerability of how hard it is to be Tucker Carlson.I can no longer wear a bow tie in public because of the trials and tribulations that I've endured.And you're like, all right, man, settle down.This is nothing.
Okay, all right, let's fucking do this, okay?How long have we really had the internet?Like 30 years, okay?Human beings are fucking apes.They're like 300,000 years old.
So for like 99% of the time, 15 dudes getting together, hanging out and hitting people was all you needed, all right?
That was the whole thing.You can't, Blame the monkeys for still, you know, living the way we're gonna live.That's who we are on the inside.
You're way too accepting of these people.I'm sorry.
Who said I'm accepting?You just did!You just did it!Have I gone on naked and afraid?Not one time.Not one time.I stay inside my little hole.Everybody else is out here saying, no, the Hunger Games is bad.This is- compromises between what we're doing.
So the next question that I have and I was wondering about this and I'm curious where you're at with this.
So with Alex Jones, I feel like years ago, I at least felt like and maybe you'll think I'm wrong, but I always felt like that the audience mostly saw him as entertainment. for the most part, and they did not see him as, generally speaking, credible.
It was this sort of like weird mix where people kind of understood that maybe there was something that they thought was true or maybe, oh, it is interesting.It was like the weekly world news kind of?
Yeah, but most of it felt like it was entertainment first, even for the audience. I am really curious if you feel like that's true, and if you feel like that's changed, because I'm actually more concerned about the audience, right?
The audience of Tucker Carlson, the audience of Alex Jones, because they feel more like a different kind of true believer, rather than somebody who's like, I'll watch the fucking chemtrails, that guy's a hoot.
Um, no, I would, I would disagree with that premise.Um, I think that, uh, the people who didn't like him all that much or were casual observers were like what you're talking about.They're checking in for entertainment.
They want to see this guy, uh, talk about some crazy stuff, you know, like you tune into coast to coast AM and here, you know, back in the day, at least.
That was a portion of the population, but the people who liked him back then, they liked him as sincere.Like this is real news.This is real reporting.
Um, you know, like there, the people who were pulling for Ron Paul back then, we're not like, it wasn't a goof.You know, they, they believed all that stuff about the federal reserve and quote unquote states rights and shit.Um,
I think the people have taken him seriously then and now.
The issue is that now what he like what he's brought them along to taking seriously is like these demons running around biting you, you know, as opposed to like, oh, we got to get rid of the centralized banking.All right.
I guess there's a conversation to have there.There's not a conversation to have about whether or not we need to rid the earth of demons.
You know, I wonder if it's even possible to have a sustained resistance to it.So imagine you are somebody who is checking in for entertainment purposes.Can you always be in a mental state where you can separate reality from fiction?
you know, or, or does it happen one day where you've had a long ass day at work or, or, you know, you're a little bit drunk and you're, you're having a late night smoking weed with your buddy over there and you got an Alex Jones video.
And then somehow all of a sudden you're like, you know what, he's right.And then, and then the next day you're like, I know it's a joke, but sometimes he's right.And like the curve happens. You know, so maybe that's just a fictional thing.
And some people are just fucking into it.You know, like you don't know for sure what's behind what people are interacting with.Maybe, I guess.
Well, it feels like and like just I mean, looking at like the election coming up, it feels like America has become. much less good.
Maybe we were never very good at this, I don't know, but like, it seems like we're much more openly accepting of more and more outlandish ideas, like crazier and more wild, insane bullshit than I remember ever being in the case before.
Like maybe somebody held one crackpot belief, but it seemed like back in the day, and I'm talking like not even that long ago, people didn't have an entire like, like foundational philosophy of crackpot bullshits that they sort of cobbled together.
So it feels like the audience has broadened in a way that is really upsetting.
Okay, this is a thing that I do wanna legitimately push back against, because I agree with you as far as outlandish ideas are concerned, that it does feel like there are more of them propagating around.But I ask you this question,
Is it a more outlandish idea to believe some crazy bullshit now or for an entire country to be fine with manifest destiny?Do you know what I mean?
Like, do you really think an entire country believing that God gave them the whole fucking West is not as outlandish an idea as fucking demons showing up?So maybe things are better.I don't know.
No!Fewer people believe in the God thing.
So we're in a different place.Oh God.Yeah.It's how do you guys, so, so you Jordan, you brought up like people sit around and maybe they've had like one too many beers.
How do I?I'm crazy.What do you mean how do I?The question is answered by the volume.
He's nuts and I got a mustache.You shouldn't ask us shit.
I feel like we've been, we've been having like the occasional chat now for several years and I'm, I'm beginning to worry about you gentlemen.There's a precipitous slide that is only so much you can consume.Does it weigh on you though?
Like genuinely as people, like as human beings, like, do you watch this like over and over an hour after hour and is it starting to have an impact at all?
I think that the, um, the way that everything has, uh, gone down is demotivating a little bit, but it's not just Alex.I do.
I think it's, you know, like the fact that we're doing, uh, this election with Trump again, 2016 seems to be echoing through, uh, the entire country again.Um, and so a lot of that is kind of.
uh you know it'll it'll tug on tug on your your hope um and then it's easy to get down about the fact that you know Alex faced the most real uh consequences that he's seen in the course of his career and somehow he's still able to you know move all of these businesses to like my dad's business and stuff you see this this
uh very public uh effort to subvert this bankruptcy and it's like well I guess you could just get away with that and you know that that wears on you a little more than I think the that like listening to him see you just you know it's just a angry liar
Yeah, that's great.Yeah, it's he was an angry liar before and he's an angry liar.Society's lies have gotten a little stranger.You know, certainly the weather weapons causing the hurricanes in order to like ruin GOP voting like that's a little
That's a little silly that, uh, that was bigger than, than, uh, it should have been much smaller.The amount of people believing that.
Yeah, man, but like- Yeah, Congress people said it though.
Like, yeah.There's like fucking flat earthers that are like, that's a real, like, this is second grade stuff.
Like, there's like stuff, like, I guess that's what I was meaning before is like, some of this stuff is like, like genuinely a not very precocious second grader is like, earth round, dum-dum.Like, that's like simple, easy shit.Like,
everything is sort of up for grabs again, even like the most insanely like basic principles and philosophies of like how physical matter is presented in the world.That feels, that feels like, look, I get the manifest destiny argument in sincerity.
I do, but I'm just like, God damn.
Did I make that up on the spot?
I actually kind of think you had a point. I do though.I actually think I get what you're saying, but like, it feels different.Crazy.Now it does feel different.Crazy.It feels like, like genuinely the claims are not even interesting.
They're so stupid, you know?
Yeah.Did we have a Marjorie Taylor green, like in the nineties that we've just forgotten about? I don't know.I don't think we did.It doesn't feel like we did, but it doesn't.
I think they would have been kicked out.
There was like the satanic panic stuff.
True.True.You know, we had those type of people who were, who were willing to focus on the family.
Yeah, well, even with your, you're saying like, things are crazier and these are like second grade things.Also, everything moves so fast, like because of what, you know, what is it, the internet or whatever?
I'm not sure what the cause of it is, but like, you know, Jordan and I were, uh, remarking that there was a presidential assassination attempt.And then like a week later, we've moved on to something else. You know, nothing sticks around at all.
We don't have time to talk about any of the things that are happening because we just move on to the next thing that people get angry about on, on Twitter.
What are you guys, are you guys going to be counting down the days to this auction?Are you going to do a live stream or something?
I thought you guys would be like, fire that shit up.
And like, that would be smoke a blunt and hang out and like get around about what's getting sold.If there's a stream of it, then I would consider it.But I don't know if there is, I don't know if there's going to be like an actual event of it.
But yeah, if there is like up to the minute news or something, that might be fun.
It was like, if they were like videoing it, like some dude has a stream and they're streaming that stuff up.
Like it's a Christie's or something.And next up for auction. We have the haunted printer.
I'm going to put, I'm going to put this out into the universe.I would like a victory procession.
So after every item is sold, they have to be like, and the victory is, and then the person has to walk up the red carpet, grab it, get a picture with it and then go, Oh, like a pro wrestling style intro.
Everyone has theme music. 100%. Everything you buy from Alex Jones auction should come with a certificate of inauthenticity.That's all I just The problem is Thank You Jordan, thank you
terrible.This auction is bundles.So it's like, uh, info wars as a whole.And if no one buys them, if they're not successful, then it becomes like the itemized auction.That'll be like the next step.I hope, I hope something interesting happens.
You know, like I don't know if anything, uh, like I think most people want there to be someone buys in four words and then it's destroyed or whatever.
And I don't know if people are going to get that, you know, they're going to be disappointed if they want that.But I just hope something interesting happens cause it's been a little bit boring with him.
Uh, and so something spicing it up, throwing a curve ball could be a little fun.Hey guys, if people were going to find you on the internet, where would they look? a knowledge, faint.com is our website.
I think, Oh no, actually, do you know what, do you know what we have?I don't know if we have it for sure still, but we did at one point have fill your hand.com.So you should go to fill your hand.com to get all your knowledge, fight information.
When Alex was drunkenly trying to, uh, uh, physically fight with Adam Schiff, you told him, yeah.
Oh my God.Amazing.Amazing guys.It's awesome.Always awesome to have you come out.Thanks so much for joining us.We appreciate it, man.
I love you guys.Spend a treat.Thanks for having us.
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