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I am unashamed.What about you?
Welcome back to Unashamed.Zach, are you with us?Are you still there?I'm here.I came into a weird... It was a pregnant pause.
No, I think it was actually you were frozen from our view.And so then all of a sudden it was kind of like a cheerleader making a snap move. Hey, yo, big team, I'm here.
You know he used to work with cheerleaders.Did you?Oh yeah, he was a cheerleading camp person.
Zach, I don't know what I would have done without these years of podcasts of getting to know you.Getting to know you.
I did.In college, I got a job working with, the company was Universal Cheerleaders Association, UCA, and then UDA.
He even knows the letter.I'm real careful about what I'm going to say next.You're going through life, trying to figure out what's your next move and how you're going to provide for your family.
And I just love to, I would have loved to been there when you had that moment.I got it, babe. I'm going to be married.
He was looking for cheerleaders at that.
I was looking for a wife.Uh, I hadn't met Jill yet.I was in college.Well, thank the Lord job.This, this was my job though.My job was I would go in and they would give me a dorm room to set up in and I would set up a camp store.
And I would sell t-shirts and all the little outfits and all the things.
But I'm just trying to get to the point, because I know how my buddies were when I was that age.And I go in there and I'm like, I got it, guys.Cheerleading.There's money to be made.I mean, look, we love our cheerleaders, but I'm just saying.
There's money to be made. It was, uh, it was quite lucrative for a college kid though.I mean, it was the reason why they put us in the dorm rooms is they didn't want the. I probably shouldn't say that.I'm going to say it.I don't know.It's 20 years.
Let's just move on.I'm sure you made tens of dollars.It was a lot.
It was a lot of money.And they didn't want the university.I don't think they wanted the university to know how much stuff we were selling.It was crazy.I mean, I'm telling you.
It's funny because most people on university campuses that are selling things to college students out of dorm rooms, it's probably illegal.
Yes.Well now it's all NIL.Oh yeah.Driven or is it N-L-I-L?
Name, image, license.Oh yeah.
I know.I was intrigued because, uh, you know, we're big LSU fans and there used to be a phenomenon back when Tyran Matthew was with LSU, they called him Honey Badger.Well, now we have a linebacker and, uh, I had to chuckle.
because there's been a big NIL driven t-shirt business that's developed because now Witt Weeks, who had an incredible last couple of games, they're calling him the honky badger.And my wife laughed out loud when I said that.
She's like, how did these people come up with these ideas?She's like, can you even say that in our culture now? And I was like, well, I guess I guess he can.
That sounds like he's embraced it.
You're just reporting that, you know, you're not, you're not making it.We didn't come up with it.
But he's like, oh, it's awesome.I'm going to sell t-shirts.He was excited about it.
So you get on these message boards.I mean, back in the early days of the blogosphere, the creativity.
particularly of college football fans is, is, I mean, it is, there was, you know, there was that whole thing about LSU fans smelling like corn dogs that came out right.15 years ago.
I never got, I never got the insult, but I think it's a pretty, pretty, it was pretty clever.
Well, I don't know when you, or the ones that member at the, when they have at the Vandy gay, when they said your graduates will be mowing our lawns, but the corn dog thing that a guy wrote a whole like thing about like being really careful.
When you cut on the pattern rage, they don't act like you can smell them because the, they get really upset if they realize that you are.So much.
So to your point is that, that a few years ago when game day was in, um, Ole miss that, that wherever they're at and Katie Perry.
Was the guest picker i think she's the one that she is she brought out a plate of corn dogs but she i think she was the first one to say that i don't know it was been around way for that it's been around she was just she was just tapped into below she doesn't even know her manager.
is an Ole Miss graduate.It's the only reason she was doing it.She didn't know anything about Ole Miss.It was very funny.I thought it was great.But I love corndogs.I'm not even offended by it.You're like, thank you.We sure like corndogs.
We could smell like what Jace was describing on the last podcast.That'd be big tubs of pestilence.
What is our problem?We keep getting back to some things are the smell of death. We can't leave it.
But corndogs do smell like life.I'll say that.If you smell corndogs, what do you think?Do you think there's a fair going on, a carnival?I like a good corndog.
There's a warm place in my heart when I smell a corndog.Don't be hating on corndogs.I love a good corndog. Have you ever seen the show Carnival Eats, Zach?It's on one of the food networks.It's our childhood, though.
It is, because they travel around to these fairs, you know, in the Midwest, especially.We don't do much around here anymore, but in the Midwest, they have these big fairs.
And you got the funnel cakes, the elephant ears, the corn dogs, the smoked sausage.I'm wondering, when do you have time to watch TV?Well, since I'm trying to diet now, I just have to watch it.I have to watch other people eating, which is funny.
So I went by and checked on dad.Obviously he's still not with us, not quite back yet, but he did have a procedure that he had done the last time this happened, but it was a little bit worse.So it's going to take a minute for him to get better.
But he was, he was hopeful.He was upbeat. And I said, well, dad, we got to, you know, I bought some food, Gimber cooked you some food last night and I smoked you some burgers.Yeah, that's good.You know?
And then he said, well, it looks like you're still eating pretty good.Even dad at his diminished capacity was still able to put that bar of it there.I said, well, dad, I'm working on it.
Well, what happened on the 60 by 60 or what was it?I'm still losing.You have a couple months.
I got a couple of months.I gotta try to speed it up a little bit.How much have you lost?I can't say.
Don't look at it like that.
You can't, because people actually have betting lines on this.That's right.
So I can't tip the Vegas odds one way or the other here by telling you my progress.
It's a lifestyle change.It's a lifestyle change.That's what I'm attempting.You can't do a diet.
No, I'm off the fads.I'm off the diets.I'm off the just eat this and eat a bunch of big piles of meat and stuff.I mean, I'm not saying it does work, but you know, I've done that for years.I wind up in the same place every time.
We'll appreciate this.You were late.And, uh, Zach was giving me this breaking news that he has now become the hamburger maker guru.
I've heard that, but, and I visited many times and I've never gotten to eating one.So I don't know.I've got it.I've got it figured out.
I've, I'm, I really do think that I've figured out the best burger you can have.The perfect burger.
I gave him the bad news.I said, look, for years, my dad, I mean, they used to call my dad's burgers, Phil's famous.Very legendary.And they were legendary and they were good.But my, what is he?
My nephew-in-law, Jay, your son-in-law, on the grilled burger, he went past everybody.I'm talking about burger on a grill. And fantastic.It's actually on a smoker, but yeah.But I will say my son read who has chef tendencies.
He got that from, from our family.He's a really good cook.He has gone past everyone with the pan fried burger.
Would you agree?I would agree.It is, uh, I told him the last time, cause he does one night on vacation every year, he does them and And so I missed it last year because Lisa surgery, but the year before I was like, let me know.
And Reed's doing burgers.
Cause I'm going to, well, he's got one element to it that, that I will say I'm going to try it because it could make mine even better.But my whole process that I figured out it's been, I
Uh, it, it is a process and you gotta have all the right things that you did add something that I haven't considered yet with read and what he's been able to accomplish in the burger game, which is he's focused on the quality of the meat.Yep.
Well, he is.His first move is to go find the butcher at the grocery store and he says- And they're always very hesitant about doing it.Well, they don't want to do it.They're like, sir, it's out there in a package.And he's like, nope, I won't.
And he has three meats that he uses.I think it's- Uses a short rib, brisket, and then ribeye. Ribeye, those are his three meats that he combined.
Which if you know, if you're a steak person like we are, you know there's a lot of marble in all of those.So it's the fat meat.With a high fat content.Exactly.But that's what makes the burger.
That's the juicy part.He's like, if you're gonna do this, let's do this.So when I first ate one, I said, Reed, what in the world?And he's like, well, it starts with the butcher. And I thought, you don't have to say another thing.
The fact that you just said that, which I'll tell you- You've never been prouder, have you, Jase?I've never been prouder.I thought, yes, I did something right.
Does he put anything, he puts them in the ball.So I did the same thing with the ball.Yeah, with the smash.
He smashes them down, but he does something with the buns.
He also covers them, you know, with the little thing I noticed when he's frying them, that keeps the moisture in there or something.
He actually uses the buns.It's a different kind of, I can't remember what they're called.It starts with a B. Brioche.Yeah, brioche buns.Again, an excellent choice.If you're trying to lose weight, I wouldn't recommend this.
Well, yeah, I can't do it, but I mean, I know what I'm doing.That's how I got here.
Here's the two things I figured out recently.One is I got one of those, they're like a slicer, and I get a white onion.I'm talking about thin, really thin.
He has an onion element to his, but they're like caramelized.Yeah, he caramelizes them first.
You put the onion on first, then you put the ball on top of the onion. then you smash it.
Sounds like you're in the same genre.
We're in the same genre, but here's the one thing that he hasn't done.I promise you, he has not done this next move.Because I ran up on this one after I read a little.
So Zach's been researching.Who's the hamburger? God out there who wrote the Bible for hamburgers.
That's got a guy.Well, tell us when I ran up on a little thing called market 11, it changed my hamburger game.And, uh, no, no, this is what I did.
I did it on accident, but, and this is going to sound crazy when I tell you the thing that makes it the best, because it's not what you think.And because I've always used the high end cheese thinking the same thing with the meat, right?
Well, don't say American cheese. No, it's worse than that.I get that. Oh, the Kraft Singles, the cheapest, like just the stuff you never- Okay, moving on.I'm telling you.We just eliminated SAC.I am telling you.Let me quote a verse.Listen to me.
I told you it was going to sound crazy.
You got to put that cheese on there because it's a different- I quit doing that when I quit eating Beanie Weenies and Vienna sausage.
Hang on here.Look, I heard the crowd.Unashamed Nation wants to send you a message. Boy, did you ever take a wrong turn.
He was in the genre, he was right there, he was talking about lingo.All I'm gonna say is you do a blind taste test, and you tell me I'm wrong.
I'm not gonna know a Kraft single when I see it.I quit blind taste tests at the age of seven. I'm telling you.Hey, here's what we do for our special bonus behind the paywall.We have whatever y'all call it, cooking with the Robertson.
Cooking with the Robertson.We need to, I'm gonna nominate Zach to do that. for the less palatable viewers of our audience to get that recipe.And I will not be attending, but I think it'll be good for humor and such.Oh, it's a game changer, boys.
Oh, that's right.Cooking with the Rybersons.
Dad's burgers are on there.
This is healthy competition. Let Zach make a stab at it.Zach was on such a roll.
I was so impressed until he said that.That was like, that was like the wrong term.
I was shocked just as much as you guys are.Trust me.I mean, when it happened, I was like, this is impossible.
So Zach's meat mixture is Vienna sausage, spam, potted meat.
This is giving me bad memories. I will, I know we have to take a break, but after the break, since Zach has now confessed his sin in trying to cook, because I'll just tell you right now, you had me and then you lost me.
I will share, I had a moment of weakness on my trip to Nashville that I will share.I have yet to share this to anyone.Ooh.Because it was a moment of weakness.
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There I was, I've always said the greatest fast food, and then I'll do a thing about honey in God's grocery store.Deer, ducks, you know, they're fast.I've heard you do it in your speech.
I don't do fast food, although I make an exception for Chick-fil-A because it's decent, but they're just nice. And so I'll do that.And they have fruit, which I love the fresh fruit.And Mia worked there, did she?She worked.
Look, and so did my son Reed.That was the development stage of what now is the greatest burger.And I will put my hard-earned cash I have to say I've never had a better one.
If we had a competition with Zach's little single... Zach might have hung in there with some decent cheese.You can't have a processed cheese product with a little... That's what I said.
Look, I said the same thing, Jace.You're not saying anything that I haven't already said.
So anyway, there I was, uh, and this, this story has a backstory before we get into something more meaty.That's an ironic joke.That's a pun.I found myself the last time I went to Nashville, you know, we get busy.
We, we were doing an event and you know, I had looked up and I hadn't eaten anything all day and, uh, it was late and.And y'all did a rare podcast without me, which I was thrilled.This is, but. I'm going back in time.This is another.Yeah.
But you know, I've noticed something when you're extremely hungry and you haven't eaten anything all day, everything's going to taste better, obviously.And Missy's like, here's your options. Cause we were wherever we were at.
And I was looking, what was all my fast food places?And I was like, was there a grocery store?She's like, babe, the grocery stores are closed.Cause I usually make that move.And, uh, so I stopped at Wendy's.
I said, I'm going to go with Wendy's because I heard somebody say something about a baconator was good.And look, the reason this is my first trip to Wendy's in 10 years, because the last time I went to Wendy's 10 years before that,
I had, 10 years, what am I saying?It had probably been more like 20.Yeah.Because back then I had no money and I had my best khakis on, which back then having a nice pair of khakis was like a treat.Yeah.And when I- You were dressed up.Yeah.
I forgot what we, maybe we had gone to a funeral or something and we stopped at Wendy's and when I opened the package, you know how they wrap, and went to eat the burger,
I felt something hot all of a sudden, and I looked down on my nice khaki pants, and there was grease dripping, not like a drop.It was like someone had provided a funnel from that burger. And it just stained those khakis, which never came out.
It was probably your only pair.And I said, I'll never be back.That did it.I chunked the burger out the window.I was mad.I lost my cash.
Which doesn't necessarily mean it was bad.It just was greasy.Well, it was greasy.Yeah.I'm not hating on Wendy's here.
I'm just saying you get what you pay for.And I mean, I'm a God's grocery store kind of guy.So I went to, we went to Wendy's and I get this Baconator. And look, first thing I did was check for grease.No grease was coming out.I ate this thing.
And in that moment, I thought, no, that's not as good as my dad.It's not as good as me.It was fantastic.I was like, babe, they're back in.A Baconator from Wendy's?Yeah.And I was like, I'm back in. So, I'll tell you that story.
And you're critiquing me about my burger.
Well, he's already said he was in a Banzack, he was starving to death.I hadn't eaten in 24 hours, I was literally dizzy.We'll give him a pass on it.The second part of this story, we're going to Nashville, this is just a few days ago.
That happened months ago.And so, hadn't been back since. And well, looked up, it's four or five o'clock, and it hit me, I haven't eaten.Because Missy eats like a bird.I said, babe, I gotta get something to eat.
She's all, I'm stopping to get- That right there though, Jason, that's the difference between you and me and Al.There's never a moment where I'm like, oh, I forgot to eat.No, no, it's never that.
It's always on the, it's always- I'm constantly saying I don't need to eat.I'd gotten busy and things had happened, and I just hadn't eaten. And she's like, well, I gotta stop gas and stop and get gas.And I was like, there's a Wendy's.
I remembered that Baconator.I said, the conditions are right.I haven't eaten anything today.Here we go.So I said, so we got up, I said, look at the line.I said, I'm telling you, they came up with that Baconator and they're taking over the world.
And she's, I was like, so I'm gonna go inside.So Missy didn't eat the Baconator. I said, what are you gonna order, babe?She's like, I'm good, thanks.The bird passed.This is a true story that just happened a matter of days ago.
I walk in there and there's only one person in front of me.I was like, perfect, you know?And so I said, I wanna get one of these famous Baconators, you know?And so the woman behind the cash registers, she said, and I continued with my order.
She was trying to interrupt me, but I was like, you know, I don't want mayonnaise on it, no mayonnaise.You know, I'm Baconator and I'll be, you know, let's see, what else y'all got?I was like, I came here for the Baconator, but she was trying to,
I was like, why is she trying to interrupt me?I'm ordering here.And then she says the famous words I thought I'd never hear.She said, we're out of meat.And I just was speechless. I was like, we're out of meat.You're at a hamburger.
And I wanted in that moment to go outside cause this long line that's for him.And I wanted just to declare. They have no meat.
And she said, they're not Arby's, so what do you want?
There was a commercial, where's the beef?
I started stammering.She's like, what else do you want?And I was like, I said, you can't help me.And I turned around, I walked out, Missy's looking at me.And I was like, they have no meat. And she said, what?
This is crazy.This is crazy.How do you have no meat?This is heresy.
I just couldn't believe it.That happened.And so I want, look, you know, here's the power of advertising.Well, she said, well, I said, let's just go to the gas station.I'll get something there.You know?
Well, in between, I see an Arby's, which I've never- They have the meats.Look, that jingle hit me.I said, wait a minute, they have the meats.And Missy was laughing, you know.
Well, I went in there and got a burger and- They claim that it's a Wagyu burger, but I've never tried it, no good.No, well, it just, you know.Just didn't do it.It wasn't for me.So there you go. I don't know why we went there, but I'll tell you this.
It reminds me.That reminds me of my son, Fred.Every time we got a subway and always just speaking of eaters, that man can eat.He can put it down.He'll order an Italian BMT with everything on it.And he'll say, hold the meat.
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Yeah I found out how addicted I was to the cell phone as well.
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Okay, Zach, you need to immediately have a conference. No, I love people who turn into vegetarians because that means there's more for the rest of us.More meat for the rest of us.I love them.
But I just say, why don't you just order it as a vegetable, like just vegetable sauce?But he's like, I said, what are you doing?I don't like the meat.I said, but then don't order an Italian. BMT, which has like four different meats on it.
I just want a vegetable.So I just ordered the side.It's just it's weird.
That's that's like going and ordering a meat lover's pizza and saying, hold the meat.I just want a pizza lover. All right, I'll segue this nonsensical conversation we have for Get Clean.
Oh man, it's been good for me though.Because this is a Bible study, we have to remember that.
It is, but I always love it when people say, when are we gonna get into the meat of the Bible?What I've determined is, I mean, Jesus is the meat here.I mean, this is, and I preached last night at a gathering in Monroe, which went, I thought,
fairly well, I guess, but what I was surprised at is the response was sort of like what we talked about in the last podcast with just regular everyday believers not knowing what to say to their friends, their neighbors about Jesus.
I mean, which is a little bit, we talked about this before, I take it a little bit personally, That I haven't necessarily been a great equipper. of people, it should have been much more simple.
In other words, and I'm just saying this for me, not other pastors, whatever, but obviously we haven't been doing something that we should be doing if it's so hard for people to share what's so easy to share.
Maybe we made it too complicated.I had a dozen conversations last night, mostly with young people, and I say young people, that's relative.I'd say 20 to 40.
who were saying, I remember one guy specifically, he's like, you know what, that was an interesting speech.I mean, it was all about Jesus.And, cause I kind of made the point, we all think we know Jesus.And I'm like, if you think you know Jesus,
You have no idea.I mean, this is never gonna end, you getting to know Jesus better.And I kinda did something different that I hadn't done before.It hit me before I got up.You remember the podcast where I read the first red letters in John?
His first statement, where he said, What do you want?They were following him.And he, cause I love his response.He's like, come, come and you'll see.And they spent the day together.
And so I kind of made a point about that, about you will never stop in your Christian faith investigating Jesus and you'll read the Gospels, I'm not saying you, I mean, I read the Gospels, and I am constantly thinking, did they rewrite this?
How did I miss this before?I mean, this is a constant occurrence.
That's why he did the deep dive into Proverbs you were talking about in the last podcast.
Exactly, and we're in the section Colossians 115, where that was his whole point.They were looking for deeper knowledge,
or these theories that somehow they had missed, and this is gonna provide all the answers to life with these other gods and this kind of mystical, there's something out there that's gonna make everything make sense.
And Paul, very cleverly, is like, it's Jesus. And the problem is you understanding, pursuing, investigating, however many words you wanna use to describe this, same thing he said in Ephesians, knowing him better, because you have his spirit.
And as 1 Corinthians 2 says, produces the mind of Christ.Well, if you're gonna do that, you're constantly gonna have to know him better.And it's not something that you just take a class on and you say, oh, I got it.
It kind of reminds me of marriage or your relationship with your family.The problem in it all is, so like with my wife, you put your best foot forward when you're dating. I mean, I was seeing no possibilities of disappointment and vice versa.
Well, we all know what happens when you get married. It brings out the best in you and the worst.All of a sudden you're like, well, this is disappointing.And you work through that and that struggle, you become closer.
But what I'm saying is with Jesus, there's never a disappointment in this getting to know him.It's constantly getting better and better and better and better and better.He's God in human form.
So what I did- I'll say that, those counselors will say, And books have been written that say, well, you need to keep dating your wife.And I understand what they're saying.They're saying, try to continue to put your best foot forward.
But actually, it's not really the best way to look at it.Because you're not in a constant state of dating.You're in a constant state of reality to grow this relationship into something better.
And so that's exactly what you're describing with our spiritual walker Christ.It's not like, well, let's keep acting like we did when we first got baptized and first became a Christian, because we were so on fire for the Lord.
And you're like, no, I mean, grow the relationship.Stay fired up.Yeah, that's right.But you don't want to say, I'm going to go back to immaturity. That's not good.
Well, right, and that's a very good illustration, because that was Paul's illustration when he talks about growing, and the gospel is bearing fruit and growing.It's a constant thing.
When he gets to chapter two, he talks about them being united and being rooted and built up in Christ.Well, it's a process, even in Christ, but where are the... where the problem happens is when we think, oh, I gotta move on somehow from Jesus.
He's not enough.Yeah, I need something deeper.And he's saying, no, no.Getting to know him better is the growth process.
And that's why I did the thing in Proverbs last time about you're looking for wisdom, and it does come from overcoming adversity and going through difficulty and dealing with your past sins and all that.
It's done through a person, a relationship with a person, which is Jesus.He is the wisdom.And it's always evolving as you grow.So what I did last night is I read the first statements in red letters from all the gospels.
And if you took a poll, to prove my point, on how many Christians would know that answer, it would probably be zero. which is kind of crazy if you think about it.Because we're like, well, yeah, we know the story.
And so in Matthew, the first red letters recorded is at his baptism, which is interesting.
And he's having a conversation with John the Baptist, and John is trying to deter him in chapter 3 and 14, saying, I need to be baptized by you, and you come to me. And Jesus replied, drum roll, first red letters of Matthew, let it be so now.
It is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.And when you read that, based on our conversation from Colossians 115, him being the firstborn of the creation, I mean, in that moment, you have the Holy Spirit descending on a person
that's a human.Now granted, he came from a virgin, but he's showing something contrary to John the Baptist's baptism, which was just a baptism of repentance.No Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit of God was not involved.And here this happens.
to fulfill all righteousness.And as we said from Colossians 115, that firstborn over creation, the word firstborn is like a prototype, where we get the word prototype.It was to show you that this could happen to humans.
God could literally live in a human body.
Because you had the voice.
of Yahweh that had been guiding people all throughout Old Testament history, and you have this man, this Jesus of Nazareth, and then you have the Holy Spirit, you're right, that's the picture that that painted is the world changer, it's the game changer.
There you go, Zach is being attacked by a large buzzing insect.
I thought he was playing into some kind of riff.I was painting the picture and I thought he was going to go into it.
You know what popped up on my screen on my computer was the unashamed podcast popped up and started playing.Zach, you don't have to watch.That was actually, that was uploaded five years ago.It was the Unashamed teaser.You don't have to watch.
What is going on here?You don't have to watch, Zach.We're actually doing the Unashamed podcast.I was watching the Unashamed podcast, probably doing the Unashamed podcast.I apologize.
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So then look, then I went to Mark and I didn't do this consecutively.It was like I had points that I would go back.Yeah.And so Mark won.
the first red letters is verse 15, when he says, the time has come, the kingdom of God is near or at hand, the kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe the good news.
And what I found fascinating is, so you've gone to Matthew and Mark, Matthew, you've got him receiving God's spirit, which was a groundbreaking, and saying this is, you wanna know- And all the deity in one picture there.
Yeah, bringing, and by the way, he said, the father, this is my son whom I love and well plea, this being available to human beings, Jesus showing that.
And here, now we have this idea of the kingdom, which is, I went from Colossians 1 15 backwards to these things.
where he says he's qualified us to share in the kingdom of the inheritance of the saints, and then he's like, Jesus has rescued us and brought us into the kingdom of the Son.
Well, this is- And by the way, the context of it, Jase, is still with John, but now John's in prison, meaning that page has been turned. You know, everything that was done by John the Baptist is now about to change, so that was interesting.
And interesting enough, in Luke, the first red letters, is his parents had lost him as a kid.Yeah, Luke 2.Yeah, and he says in 249, why were you searching for me? which is just a great standalone question, kind of like the, what do you want in John?
He asked, didn't you know I had to be in my father's house?And you know, also I read in the verse 32, where it says that Jesus grew in wisdom and stature and in favor with God.And man, even he experienced that growth process as a human.
But I thought, whoa, what a statement if you combine those three things, that his first words, you have him receiving God's spirit and receiving God's approval in that moment.And that began his ministry.He never did a miracle before that.
He didn't do his ministry before that.He was at this stage.Then you have the King, he announces the kingdom is at hand. And by association, he's portraying himself as the king, the king is here, the king has arrived.
And here, we know the implications of what he's saying here because he was at a temple, but later, we would become his house.
I think of that verse in Hebrews 3, 4 on why, you know, the Hebrew writer said when Jesus was better than Moses, and he makes an interesting statement.He's like, this is Hebrews 3, 4 through 6.
He said, every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.And then he talks about Christ. who is better, and then he said, we are his house.And I thought, well, okay.
And then- And why would you wait three days before, there's a sermon there, Zach, start with God's house.They looked in houses for three days before they got to God's house.You're searching in the wrong place.I mean, that was the message, right?
But even in John two, it makes you think when he cleaned out the temple and he was like, I am the temple.And we would become the house of God.Think of the last two verses in Ephesians two, all the implications of that.
And then the John one, which we did.So I kind of revolved Colossians 1 15 and an overview of Colossians with those four first red letter statements in each of the gospel.Cause I was doing that.
My point is the reason I'm doing that, I mean, there's no significance. It just happened to be the first thing, but what I'm saying is that's just the first red letters.And all of a sudden there's a lot to ponder on those individual statements.
Well, these books are pretty lengthy.And so, uh, I just feel like in our society, we're so, you know, we'll listen to seven sermons and six podcasts and, you know, watch eight episodes on Netflix of a show.
And, but if you tell people to go home and read a gospel, you know, one of the gospels, they're like, well, you know, Well, it'll take a while.
I mean, when's the last time you read one of the gospels all the way through just looking like, well, what is Jesus?How can I know Jesus?But that was my point.It seems like, oh, well, I already, I got it.And I just think that's the problem.
If you're struggling with having a conversation with someone about Jesus, and so every conversation I had, and I'll just give you one, I started and didn't finish. Uh, one of the young guys, he said, yeah, I usually got work.
And he said, you know, he's from here, so I know he believes in God.And you know, he just, he cusses like a sailor.And I hear he tells about what he did over the weekend.And you know, he was kind of trying to sugarcoat.
And he's like, but you know, I just- But he's local and he loves God.He's like, you know, but you know, he knows about God.
And he's like, I'm just, and I said, let me just, I said, the fact that you're bringing this up, that's the Lord moving in your heart to say something.Yeah.
I was like, do you really think this guy has Jesus figured out and has a relationship with him?He's like, absolutely not.And I said, well, what?He said, but I just don't know how to start.I was like, And it goes back to what we talked about.
I was like, everybody gives the illusion that they got it figured out.They're a believer.I was like, but he's giving you the proof that that's not so.I said, I think you would be surprised with just a simple conversation.
I actually pointed to my hat and I was like, wear one of these hats. I'm positive he'll say, what does that mean?I said, if it takes something like that, I said, but I said, I would probably start with, you know, we've been friends for years.
And, uh, I heard, uh, I heard a guy talk the other night and, you know, we were talking about eternity and living forever and having purpose on life.And I thought about you and I thought, you know,
If there's a God and there's an eternity, I wouldn't want you to miss out on this.I was like, I think you'll be shocked at his response.
You're, you're, you're telling him.And he may, he may be more receptive.I think people are more receptive to people just sharing their own relationship and their story of how God changed them.
And I was thinking about when you're talking about that earlier about not, you were talking about the word knowledge.We brought that up on a previous podcast as well.
If you think back to how Jesus defines eternal life, he defines eternal life as knowing the one true God and Jesus Christ, His Son, whom he sent.But if you go back to the Garden of Eden, And you think, well, what about the opposite of life?
What is that?Well, that's death.That's the opposite of life.What was the representation of death in the garden?And when you were talking earlier, I thought about this.It's actually a form of knowledge.
It says that in the middle of the garden, this is in Genesis 2, verse 8, in the middle of the garden, there were the tree of life, so you have the tree of life, which would be to know the one true God, and then later, Jesus Christ, His Son, whom He sent, the incarnation of that God.
And there's another tree, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And he says in verse 17, you can have any tree, but don't eat of the one of the knowledge of good and evil for when you eat of it, you will certainly die.
And I think that's why when we were talking in the last podcast about this being relational, what that means is talk about how you know Jesus and how Jesus knows you.And that may not be a sophisticated system that you figured out yet,
You may not have developed or studied a systematic theology that you can give some deep level apologetic.Really, that's not where most people are at.
Most people, they want to hear how God changed your life and how do you know this God who's a person, as opposed to knowing about all these things that are good and evil.That's what sin is.I just thought that was an interesting
play there on this concept of knowledge.Knowledge is going to lead you one way or the other.
It's going to lead you to intimate knowledge of a person, or it's going to lead you away from the intimate knowledge of that person and to know the things of good and evil, which is what we're trying to escape, is that corruption that's in the world.
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And also, Jayce, to your point and what Zach was just describing, most of the time when people are pretty passionately following worldly desires, whatever that is, whatever that is for people, because it's different things, they don't, they're not very fulfilled.
And sometimes just a simple question about, so how you feel about how your life is doing? A lot of times when people are striving after worldly stuff, in the moment of that, they think, well, not good.
I mean, you know what you just- I would think about this too, that it seems appealing when you're young and there is a version of that worldly life that looks appealing.And I think about like P-Daddy, who's all in the news right now.
with this big scandal.And I think about that guy, because I grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s, and me and Jep were in college together.And I remember in 1998, riding around in Jep's pickup truck, we were not living for Jesus at all.
And we were listening to Puff Daddy.I remember it like it was yesterday.And we thought that this is cool.This is glamorous.This is whatever it is.
Now you fast forward 20 years and everything that this guy was celebrated for in culture, he's now being demonized for, and it's gross.And nobody looks at P-Daddy.Nobody looks at the end of Hugh Hefner's life.
Nobody looks at Jeffrey Epstein and says, now that was the good life.Man, those guys, they were killing it because it's been exposed.And I think that if you can dial that back,
And that really is even present, even in the moments that we glamorize, that emptiness that you see now on display on every newspaper in America for P. Diddy, that emptiness is actually was present all along.
And that goes back to what we talked about in that podcast, where we're enemies in our mind.And I read that Augustine quote that our mind and isolation and all that, that's the hell.And that's the thing that you can
A lot of times you can't get someone to even have that conversation if you go in with this super religious practice presentation.But if you can go in with the sincerity of your own experience and the relationship that you have with that person,
that you've already built up that capital, and they know that you love them, you can start to uncover a whole lot of that insecurity and a whole lot of that instability and a whole lot of that just like, man, this ain't working really well for me.
And I hope Zach that because he's in prison now, I hope that out of the desperation of losing all that he thought was important, that someone will share Jesus with that man.
because he's not beyond redemption.
That's right, maybe he'll now finally be ready to listen, because a lot of times that's what it takes.It takes the devastation of the lifestyle that gets you there.
We were talking about salt and light Sunday in our sermon, and I was talking about how that salt has been used as a purification and a preserver, you know, throughout human history, it always has been, because Jesus made that statement, says, if salt loses its saltiness, it's not worth anything.
And I told a story, about Lot and his family, because he was living in a terrible, wicked culture, and God said, you've got to get out of there, because judgment is about to fall on it, and his wife could not leave it.
she couldn't bring herself to leave and be purified in God.And what'd she turn into?A big old block of salt.And it was almost just like it was a lesson for eternity that you need something more than that.That's just not enough.
Don't hang on too tightly to it.And I think about what we're trying to do with our sharing of Jesus.Yeah, the first thing you're trying to do really is just get people to understand that depravity is actually a form of slavery.
And you see it with this P. Diddy story for sure, like this guy was clearly a slave to his own depravity, which Peter talks about this.He says that these people, they promise freedom while they themselves are slaves to depravity.
And that the people are slaves to whatever's mastered them.And so when you think about what's being offered in the gospel, it actually is real freedom. Because it's a reshaping and a restoration and a transformation of your desires.
So that you can, when you're in Christ, you can do whatever you want, which Dallas Willard said this so eloquently.He says, yeah, in Christ, guess what?You can murder all that you want, which will be none at all.
And so it, because why it reshapes desire.And that's, that's really what I think people are, we're all looking for, we're not necessarily looking for the right information.We're looking for the right transformation.
Yeah.And you painted the picture from the garden of the old, you know, where did marketing come from?The evil one.He was the first marketer.I mean, he made it look good.
You know, he was looking at that fruit and she was thinking, well, you know, this might be good.I mean, it might be smarter and it looks like it'd be tasty.
So you were mentioning about P. Diddy, everybody looked at those parties and all those celebrities and said, man, wouldn't that be something?
It would not be something if I could be in there.And then you found out what was going on in there was sex trafficking and pedophilia, does all these awful, terrible things.And you're like, no, it's made to look good.
But in the end, it leads to death.Back to our smell.
And what Christ does, and this is key, because what Christ does through the power of the Holy Spirit is is it leads us to the revelation of that reality.
It basically is to expose the lies of the marketing campaign and say, No, actually, that's an infomercial.And if you order that, and it gets to your house, it's that snack machine is actually about this big.It's about, It's a lie.It's not real.
What you're seeing is not real, which is the language that I was thinking about out of Hebrews 5 when you guys were talking about meat at the very beginning of this.We were talking about the solid meat.
This is how the language of Hebrews 5 says it, that by this time you ought to be teachers.You need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God.You need milk.
not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the words of righteousness since he is a child.But solid food, the meat, is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment train by constant practice to what?
Distinguish good from evil.So it's a flipping back of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.But now we need the Holy Spirit.
And through our practices with him and listening to him and his revelation, we can begin to discern these marketing campaigns of the evil and say, no, that's actually not good.And that's actually evil.I'm not going to bite on that apple.
I'm not going to eat that because that's actually not going to be very fulfilling for me.That's good.
or bite on that burger.So the point of this whole thing was... The meat is getting to know Jesus better.The devil's temptation is the processed cheese slice that you try to slip in there at the last minute and say, oh no, this is good.
You're missing out on the greatest burger ever.I mean, just- Perfect way to bring it to a close, Chase.What a close.
We're going to stick with the meat and we're going to let Zach do the processed cheese.So we'll see.We'll see you next time on Early Shave. That really wasn't quite close.That was perfect.Brought it back.Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.
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