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Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live.It's 11 a.m.Mountain Time on Thursday, October 24th, and we're live from MeatEater HQ in Bozeman, Montana.I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by Brody Henderson and Seth Morris.
We've got yet another great show for you today.We've got a rut report from the one and only Mark Kenyon.We've got one minute fishing.We're going to do a little show and tell.And we've got another hot tip off.
But before we get to all that, we're going to talk to a man who built a doggy door for a bear. You like that, Phil?It's just a great sentence.Brody, Seth, how are you guys doing today?Fantastic.
Getting a little excited for rifle opener here in Montana.It's almost here.Saturday.Very close.Very close.Can't wait.And Brody, you just got out this past weekend.
Yeah, I'm not even going out this weekend.We just got off the youth hunt. Four families, four groups of kids, six kids total, killed six bucks in a day and a half.
Some real stone cold killers out.
And that satiated your deer hunting bug for a little bit.
Yeah, I'm not going to hunt deer until the rut kicks in around here in mid-November.
Nice.Yeah.Good feeling to have that freezer partially filled.
Oh yeah, well... You got a moose in the freezer.
I mean, yeah, it's like way... Never mind, yeah, your freezer is stuffed.You probably got a second one going already.
Yeah, but I'm not in any rush.
Well, a quick reminder for our listeners.We are going to be doing a Q&A halfway through and then again at the end of the show.
So if you've got a question or a comment or you want us to address whatever is on your mind, please feel free to drop that in the chat.
Yeah, and on that note, we actually just got a really pertinent question from Bart.He's asking, does Brody know that he lost trivia?
Oh, that's a great question, Bart. After the Brody a few weeks ago when Janice hosted trivia.
There was a question about What's the what's the name of the what's the word the term a certain type of hibernation that animals Go through and he was asking I was the reptile one
Yeah, but it also actually applies to amphibians, and so my answer of salamander was in fact correct.And so you and I should not have gone to the tiebreaker that you then won, so in fact I won that game.
Right.Well, you know, you gotta win one once in a while, buddy.
It's been kind of rough for you lately.Delayed gratification is still gratification. All right.Well, we are going to turn now to our first guest, Kurt Shewey, who's coming to us live from North Vancouver, British Columbia.Kurt, welcome to the show.
Good morning, guys.Thank you.How are you doing?Very good. Excellent.
So Kurt, you know, a lot of us have had issues as homeowners with wildlife and all sorts of other creatures, but you have a particularly interesting example that you're going to share with us today.
Can you tell us a little bit about the issue you had and how you solved it?
Yeah, okay.So the issue was, we moved here 10 years ago. The fence on either side was pretty old and it had these big holes on it.
We weren't really sure why so I patched him up Within weeks we realized we're on a bear route and he just kept punching through the fence leaving the holes So he'd go through and break it.I'd fix it.
So I just eventually stopped and left it open Was this a black bear or grizzly bear?Yeah black bear there's probably three or four that hang around the area but there's this one big one that the last two years he comes by and
Consistently probably two or three times a week from June to September And this is just his route.
He's claimed it Well, we're on his route and it wasn't a big deal Like I had like my night cameras where we'd watch and we'd see him during the day Sometimes it wasn't a big deal until a month ago We put in a new fence all the way down on the south side and eight foot cedar I think you can see the picture right now.
Yeah, and if he either climate or he'd go around right just I didn't think he'd get I But within two days, my wife and I are sitting watching Netflix, maybe 7 p.m.And we look over and I just see the pine boards just being punched out.
I go running out and he's out there just punching the boards out.He didn't wreck anything, which was fantastic.But you can see the picture.He knocked the whole panel out and then just went on his way.And I chased him up the driveway.
He couldn't care less.And so we're on a route.He goes from the river, which we back onto, up to the street, and he goes through our yard.
Gotcha.Kurt, is this bear messing with anything other than your fence, or he's just messing the fence up as he comes by?
He, just the fence.He wants food.Like, I've got a dog, he doesn't bother.We've got kids, he doesn't bother.I used to have chickens, he doesn't bother them.He's lazy, he's fat, he just wants food.And he just goes on his way.
So tell us about how you solved this issue.
So I'm outside and I see the broken panel and I'm like, I'm not gonna just leave it open.I've got a new fence now, paid good money.So I just left a three foot by three foot opening for a couple of days.So yeah, there you see it now.
And then I'm like, hey, but raccoons, coyotes, everything else, my dog, neighbors, kids can get through.I'm like, I don't wanna just leave it open.So my wife's like, let's put a doggy door or a cat door, but we'll make it a bear door.
And I'm by no means a carpenter or handyman, so I'm like, well, OK, cool, Saturday project.I go to Rona or whatever, Home Depot, buy some hinges.Round one doesn't work at all, so then I just take a day off.I'm a little frustrated.
Then I grab some copper pipe, put it in on the top, and then it starts to swing.And a buddy of mine, as a joke, knew what I was doing.He sends me the bear sign.So Amazon package shows up. I crack it open, it's this bear sign.
I'm like, oh, what the hell?And it was him as a joke, because this whole thing is a joke.We're not thinking this is going to work.
So I put the bear sign on the door, and I set my Arlo security camera up right above it on my house, because this is about 10 feet from my front door.And we're like, well, we'll see if it works.It's a long shot.
But we didn't expect anything to happen.And sure enough, maybe 10 days later, we catch the video of him going through. And it's the coolest thing ever.
Oh, that's fantastic.That's amazing.
Just so that's on my neighbor's side.Yeah.I put a camera on my neighbor's side, too.So there's another video.I don't I think I sent it is where he actually walks up and he taps on the on the bear sign to kind of test it.
And it's hilarious.So I get the video.It's like six in the morning when I get up, get the video, send it to my neighbor who sends it to the bear society, local bear society. Canadians are really nice.So we want to just make sure everybody's happy.
Yeah They posted on Instagram and it just explodes that I'm not in on Instagram or tick-tock It explodes in the neighborhood and then global news Calls me they put me on TV do an interview and then CBC News calls me and
They posted on TikTok and Instagram within like four days.It's got over 5 million views.And then now I'm being asked to talk about it on a regular basis.And my kids and I are having a blast because this was just a joke.And it's gone viral.
Their dad, who's almost 50, has gone viral.And so we're all just... And last Thursday then we were at about 900,000 views.My sister texted me, she's like, Kurt, you're at like 950,000 views on this bear video of yours.
So I start watching it and just refresh, refresh.My girls come home from school.It's getting closer to a million, closer to a million. And then across is a million views.
And we start jumping around, hugging, celebrating, and then we're kind of like, now what?Like, is Jimmy Fallon gonna call?What's changed here?Do we look differently?Do we call someone?What should we do?
And, you know, we just have a total blast with it.And, you know, my 15 minutes of fame is almost over.And, but we're, we're riding this out.It's been really fun.
That's great.So are any other Have you seen any other bears or any other wildlife interested in using the door? Or is it just the big guy?
Just the bear.A couple dogs have tried it.Won't go through because even if they can't push it, they're going to get pinched.Yeah.Probably some of the most fun is when it went on to TikTok, hearing how the Americans, the Americans.
Oh, breaking up with Kurt here.This guy is so awesome.
Oh, sorry.We lost you for just a second.You said the Americans and then we lost you there.Fill in the blank.You could go anywhere you want with it.
The options are endless.No, the Americans, the comments the Americans left versus the Canadians.The Canadians are all like, oh, this guy's so great.Hugs and kisses.And I'm going to do that in my yard with my bear.
And the Americans are like, didn't this guy have a bullet?And this is like a typical Canadian.What, doesn't he have any guns?
Yep.It's an interesting sociological experiment.
Typically in this situation that bear would get a name.Have you have you named him yet?I love it.
That's perfect Have you have you had any contact with the local Fish and Game Agency or the wildlife managers in that area?What do they think of it?
No, we haven't.But that's intentional on our part, because in North Vancouver, there's the two extremes, people will like leave food out because they want to see the bear.
The other extreme is they call the conservation officer at like, any whiff of a bear.Oh, yeah.And so we don't call and we don't leave food out.So we're trying to just keep it quiet, like enjoy the fact that the bears in our yard on a regular basis.
We have a, Kurt, we've got a question from Trevor.He says he thinks you're pretty good with animals after this whole thing.Do you have a history with any animals or livestock?
Yeah.Nice question.Uh, yes.Uh, I have a history of livestock.It's not a very good history.
Uh, I'm glad my wife isn't here to answer this question, but I've had donkeys and goats in the past, but it didn't go well and we didn't have them for very long. I'm not a farmer.
Well, I mean, it's got to be real satisfying when you see the bear go through the door.Do you have, uh, do you have any other, I mean, a tree house, what's next for you?You're just going to enjoy the door for a little while.
So this is the south side of our yard.The north side of my yard, uh, is also on this route and currently has a broken fence.And so we, we booked a guy to come build us a new one on the north side.
So I'm going to build a bear door on the north side as well. Because again, he comes in from the north and he's on the south.So I've got another door to build.
Is this bear visiting every day pretty much?Is he pretty consistent?
Yeah, two to three times a week.And he, like I saw him this morning, much further from my house.And any time of day, he's just like, today's garbage day where the bins are out.So he'll be up, he'll be walking up the street, knocking bins over.
And just, again, really slow, really laid back, just doing this thing, looking for food, doesn't bug anybody.Some people freak out and others kind of just watch them and film them.
He's just a nice Canadian bear.
A nice Canadian bear would be in trouble south of the border.
Yeah.Well, I'm glad he's out there with you guys.I'm glad he's up there with you guys.Yeah.
And then when your studio reached out, I wanted to make it clear, like, I'm not shooting this bear.I'm not going to put him up on my wall. Well, this is, as long as we understand that, yeah, I'm not a hunter, I've got some guns, but I'm no hunter.
Well, thank you for sharing your story with us, Kurt, and thanks for joining us today, and good luck to you with that bear.Fencing is expensive, so I hope he doesn't take any more panels out.
Yeah, absolutely.Thanks very much, guys.
Thank you.Thanks, Kurt.All right.Next, our next segment is the rut report.
Oh, shoot.You know what?I totally forgot to make a drop for this. This is really embarrassing.It tells me to pause for sound.Here's the thing.I can't go on.It's actually a really funny story because I'm just... Holy shit, the fight's tail run.
Can't believe it's already here.I was gonna tell you what you should do.Think about the decks you'll buy.Kiss your wife and kids goodbye.Really hope they don't decide to desert you.
Nicely played, Phil.Nicely played.Thank you.I live my life on the internet like it's 2009.
Don't we all?Beautiful, beautiful time back then.The Rudd Report is where Mark Kenyon gives a whitetail hunting forecast for each region.Take it away, Mark.
Hey guys, Mark Kenyon here with Wired Hunt coming at you with the rut report for October 24th, 2024.And as you can see, I am in my truck, just got out of the tree, want to get you the latest report.
And what I'm seeing out here today, what I've been hearing from folks across the country is that things are about to get much better.For many of us across the country, the last seven days or so have been pretty slow.
There's been a very warm, stable period of weather, but that's about to change in the coming few days.There's a cold front moving across at least the northern half of the country, which is going to trigger more daylight activity.
And that is all on top of the fact that as we enter the last week of October,
bucks testosterone levels at least for that northern two-thirds of the nation those testosterone levels are rising and we are nearing the peak of scraping activity we are nearing the peak of those bucks feeling rambunctious and ready to go but we still don't have
very many if any does ready to breed that's about to happen for much of the country here any day now but maybe not quite yet so those bucks are out there searching for that first doe they are on the prowl they're making scrapes this is the peak of scraping activity for the entire year likely they are becoming more susceptible to calls and they're absolutely moving more in daylight in the south that's going to be a little bit different as there's variable rut dates for many parts of the southern tier but if you are north
of the Mason-Dixon line for sure the next 7 to 14 days.It's going to be exciting.
I'm excited.That gets me fired up.Oh yeah.I can feel my testosterone levels rising.Alright, our next segment is One Minute Fishing.
One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish.And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group.
This week, our angler is Chris Macaluso, who's on Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana, and he is fishing for a donation to TRCP.Chris, welcome to the show.What's going on, fellas?How are y'all?Oh, doing fantastic.Looks like a beautiful day up there.
Oh, man, it is gorgeous.You know, if I had to.And if I had my druthers, it'd be about eight or 10 degrees cooler because it's warm down here for late October.
But gorgeous man, not a cloud in the sky, a little bit of bees blowing, catching a fish here and there.Not a bad day.
What are you going for today, C-Mac?
Well, you know, just about anything that bites, that's the cool thing about the Lake Pontchartrain area is. It's freshwater, it's saltwater, it's brackish, you know, it could be just about anything.
So just as an example, we've caught largemouth bass, speckled trout, croaker.We haven't caught a redfish yet, but we did catch a blue catfish.We caught an alligator gar. But we've caught a big variety of fish.
And the cool thing is this time of year, the fish are really keying in on shrimp.The white shrimp start to come out of the marsh this time of year.
And that's what just about everything in this basin eats, including the bass and the catfish and everything like that.So it's just always one of my favorite times of year to be out on the water, especially in this area.
Lovely.What are you, what are you rigged up?What's your rig there, Chris?
Well, we, we fished a variety of things, but as I mentioned today, you know, as I mentioned earlier, the fish are really keying in on shrimp.So I'm fishing a voodoo shrimp, which is a plastic shrimp imitation bait.
I'll stick in front of the camera here.Let's see if folks can see it.
Voodoo shrimp about two and a half, three feet under a poppy.
And usually I'll fish that voodoo shrimp, just not under the cork this time of year, just kind of free lining it.But things have slowed down a little bit.Our tide quit moving about an hour ago and the fish really have stopped more or less.
So I'm not all that optimistic about my one minute challenge.
Yeah, that doesn't bode well for a 60 second contest here. Loa, let us know, are you ready to go for your one minute?
I am ready to go, man.Let's see if we can make this happen.
I'm in a spot where I've caught a couple of trout and I've caught a couple of catfish in here already.So let's see if we can get another one to bite real quick.
All righty, we'll reel up and we will begin our timer when you cast.
Here we go.Chris Macaluso, one minute fishing for TRCP.
Here we go.I will say that today's not really reflective of how good the fishing has been.You know, you guys meat eater crew was, was all down at Buras a couple of weeks ago.Uh, and I was down there at the same time.
And, uh, I'm hoping y'all's experience was similar to the one that I had, where we just thought pretty much whatever we wanted to just fight yourself. But let's see what we can make happen here.
Popping that cork.Phil, how are we doing on time?Got about 20 seconds left.20 seconds on the clock.
20 seconds.The pressure.I don't know if I can deal with the pressure, fellas.
It'll be over soon.Don't worry.
Oh, I just had a bite.I just had a bite. The cork went down and came straight back up.
Oh!Oh, that's the time right there.That's your time, 60 seconds.We'll have to get you back on here, C-Mac.
Man, I'd be happy to any time.I mean, you know, I will like to, you know, throw in a plug for TRCP.
I mean, we're doing so much good work in the marine fishery space right now, in addition to all the other great work that the organization's doing on public lands and water and everything else that we work on.
You know, we're really making some headway on forage fish conservation, making some headway on improving data collection for federal fisheries.
and doing a lot of good habitat restoration advocacy, especially in Louisiana and up and down the Mississippi River Basin.So I'd be happy to join you guys anytime to talk about any of that stuff.
Wonderful.Well, hopefully you won't catch too much flack on the Monday morning leadership call for failing to secure that $500 donation, but please know that you're welcome back at any point.
Yeah, I don't suspect I'm, you know, gonna get a pink slip or anything, but I appreciate the opportunity.
But they did just catch you out fishing on a Thursday.
No, well, hey, look.I mean... Oh.
Oh, that's disappointing.I always enjoy a chance to chat with my friend Chris there.
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Phil, do we have any listener feedback for today?Yeah.Anything that needs addressing.Sure.
I got a couple of things here.This is questions for Seth.Oh.Are you planning to participate in any fishing competitions with Chester in the near future?Thank you for your answer.
I don't know.I'd like now that Chester's in Wisconsin, I'd like to get back and fish with those top-notch fishermen in the upper Midwest.So hopefully we can make some tournaments happen in Wisconsin.
Does the competition aspect of it, is that appealing to you or is it just another excuse to like get out on the water X number of days a summer?
It's pretty appealing.I'm not like a very competitive person, but when I was fishing those competitions here in Montana, it made the fishing just like that much more fun.
Get your blood boiling, you know, just trying to
Especially when you're fishing against a bunch of really good fishermen.Yeah, it's like you just want to You just want to do good.Just makes you fish harder makes you fish smarter.
That's how I feel every day I come in this office I just want to do good
This is a question for Randall.Yeah.It's from Matthew.Has there been any interest or thought on an audio book on the history of houndsmen?Has this been a discussion with Steve?
There are groups in Texas trying to change management for mountain lions and the stuff in Colorado.
Oh yeah.Lots going on in the hound hunting and mountain lion hunting world.We have not actually talked about an audio book specifically on the history of houndsmen.We are working right now on the Mountain Men audio book and then we have
a whole slate of audio projects, history-based audio projects, coming out until I'll be 41, I think, by the point we do all that.So if you don't know how old I am, that probably doesn't mean anything to you.
It also means you probably didn't watch the episode I hosted on my birthday. But, uh, yeah, no, that would be a great topic.
Um, and I'm not sure that I can think of any resources out there, uh, that I've encountered that would cover that history, um, specifically about hound hunting, but it's certainly a fascinating subject.
Yeah, sure.Troy asks that he loves the meat-eater movie review.Has there ever been any discussion about book reviews on the live show?
I'll pipe in here first and I'll say, we're probably not going to do books on the live show, just because movies are a lot more digestible and more people can watch them.
Before we we do the live show, but the truth is Troy we have trouble getting people to read emails much less Works of fiction and nonfiction if you listen to the meteor podcast Occasionally we do a segment called Steve reads books, so you don't have to Those are usually books that you probably don't want to read anyway unless you're a guy like Steve which hey maybe you are
But yeah, I don't know.Maybe we'll do like a more legitimate book review soon.
Yeah, we appreciate the love for the movie club.It's very fun.It's one of the highlights of my professional life.So yeah, maybe we'll have to think about books in the future.
I saw another comment there for Montana Walleye Tour, in caps, just saying.Oh yeah.
The people want it.Montana Walleye Tour, period.You gotta give the people what they want.
Sounds like the people want it.
It sounds like, I'll write that down and we'll just send that upstairs.Yeah.I can only speak for myself, but the people want it. Yeah, great.Keep sending in questions.We'll do this again at the end of the show and yeah, let's move it along here.
Thank you, Phil.Our next segment is show and tell.
We need to show and tell.We need to show and tell.We need to show and tell.
Sorry about that.Just lost in the moment.It's that synth.It's that synthesizer.It's so rich.Oh, yeah, it's so rich.
Just really quick, Tyler says thank God Spencer isn't here with his rocks.
Oh, I think we've got something much better than rocks to share with you today.Seth, you're up first.What'd you bring in today for show-and-tell?
I, over the years, have been collecting shell casings, and I got a handful of them here.These are the ones that I have deemed to be the more interesting ones that I've found over the years. So let's see, where do I want to start?
Let's start with this one.This one is headstamped 30 Army super speed.And this one I found in a deep, deep dark spot on the Rocky mountain front.
I actually, me and my buddy Rick hunting, we're hunting way back in there one day and almost got cliffed out in a spot.And we were kind of,
Trying to pick our way up through this really sketchy cliffy area And I threw my foot up on a rock and heard some metal clinging and I looked down and this rifle casing was sitting there and Just one just one and I like I just thought to myself like you know what maybe we're not The only people that got ourselves into this shitty situation.
That's that's the only place I like to find cigarette butts It's just like in a really weird place in the woods.Yeah um The next one I got here is headstamped 7.9 FS 1939 and it has TC on it with the little, it's like the crescent moon with the star.
I really don't know a whole lot about it.I've done some research and it looks like it's Turkish ammo?
Yeah. A lot of those eastern block countries use those rounds too.
So I found this in Montana on the edge of a meadow and there was about five of them sitting there in a pile.
So someone is either doing some target practice or some bad hunting.
I think they were shooting a bull and just wanted to get him down.Just pump him until he's done type of thing.At least that's what I think. Got another one here that just says SL-45, so St.Louis Armory, 1945.
This one I found laying right next to a stone point.Oh, wild.In Montana.
Must've got a good hunting spot.
It's a 30-06, I believe.This one, from my understanding, was brought home from World War II from my great-grandfather. He fought in Battle of the Bulge, it's headstamped RA for Remington Arms, 1943, 50 cal, 50 BMG.
And then this one is my favorite, I have no clue what it is, it seems to be like a big bore Buffalo cartridge.Uh-huh.No head stamping at all.It just has a tiny little pinhole in it.So not a real, not a modern primer pocket.
No.Not a centerfire primer.
If anyone knows what this could be, please reach out.Throw it in the chat.
You haven't figured out even what caliber it is?No.
Which one of these is it, Seth?The one on the left right there.The one on the left there.Yeah, it doesn't have a centerfire primer pocket.
It doesn't have a centerfire primer pocket.I have no clue what it is. someone out there in the internet knows.I found it in what would have been crow territory in Montana.It's got to be an old, an old, old cartridge.Yeah.
Hard to say what it is, but yeah, that's, I found that when I was antelope hunting about three years ago.
And the, the aggregate of your collection, how many do you have at home?These are just the highlights.Got a bucket?
I have about 10 or 12.I do have a jar of like shell casings of either critters I've killed or just like random ones I've found.But yeah, these are kind of the cooler ones that I have.
Thanks for bringing them in.Appreciate it.Brody, what did you bring for us today?
Well, Seth brought bullet cartridges and I brought guns.Guns that'll make you glad you have the guns you can buy now.
We are living in the golden age.
We'll start with this beauty here, which is a Model 67 Winchester 22.This was my dad's first gun.I think he got it used. Um, so he would have got it like probably in the early fifties.
It was made probably in the forties, um, sold for like six bucks back then.Single shot Winchester 22.I shot a lot of red squirrels with this, with this little sucker.
I like that the screw holding the barreled action into the stock is just a big thumb screw.You don't need any tools to take it apart.
At some point, my dad had a scope on here.I never had a scope.
It's tapped at like 10 o'clock.
Yep.But we had to, uh, make a rear sight for it, which is like, it's not well done, but man, I shot it pretty well when I was a little kid.
And that's just like a single shot.Yep.Yeah.
You do the old, it's not loaded folks.It looks like an old farm implement.So you cog it, you pull that, that spring back.That's the safety.Right.And then you, uh, you shouldn't, shouldn't dry fire rim fire guns, but yeah. That was it.
It's a real safe gun for a kid to learn on.That's cool.Very cool. And my first like real deer rifle.I think I started hunting with a, sorry, Corinne, I was pointing at you.
It looks like when you, if you drifted over here a little bit, it looks like you're holding the muzzle up to my head.Yeah.
Um, yeah, I think I started out with a shotgun, but this is my first real rifle and it's a Winchester model 94 30 30, like millions of deer hunters started out with a version of this rifle.
This one was made before 1983 when Winchester went to a side eject, an angle eject.This comes out, right out the top, right in your face.You know, if you're cranking awesome shots at running deer, which was common back in the day.
It's kind of a pain, really.And because it's a top eject, You can see these old cheap scope mounts that are on here.You had to mount the scope offset.So you have to like lean over to the side to look through the scope.
Um, so yeah, it's a relic and, uh, I'm glad I still have it.
Very cool, man.That is, there's a lot of Pennsylvania deer hunters that ran that same setup for many years.
Yeah.I still want to, I want to take it out and kill something with it.
That'd be a great lion gun.
Well, for my show until today, I brought this book.And this is a book that I got.It was in my grandfather's stuff.It's called The Gods Were Kind by William Willis.
And inside, it is inscribed to Bjarne J. Moltu, who's my grandfather, Norwegian, if you are curious about the name, who is chief mate on the SS Kettereck, the last ship I served as a seaman
partner, friend, and great shipmate with good wishes, every good wish, William Willis, 1956.
And I found this and I didn't really know what it was, I'd never heard of this guy, but it's the story of him sailing alone with his parrot and his cat from South America to American Samoa on a raft made of seven balsa logs.
So he went down to South America, he picked out seven balsa trees, they cut them down, and then he just went to Samoa at age 61.
What's the distance on that little sailing trip?6,700 miles. On a homemade raft.
On a homemade raft.That's wild.The best part is he, after he wrote this book, and again this is just like one of those characters you discover, after he wrote this book at the age of 71, he sailed 10,000 miles from South America to Australia.
And then at age 74, he disappeared while trying to cross the Atlantic, the North Atlantic at age 74.Two out of three ain't bad.No, not bad at all.They found his boat.He was not on it, but they found his, his ship's log.
So, interesting character and this book has significance to me because it's where I first learned that Mahi Mahi were also called dolphin.Because I was reading this book at like 12 years old and I was like, man, he's killing a lot of dolphins.
He's like, I caught some more dolphins.I saw some dolphins.I killed them.I ate them.It's like I started baiting some hooks with dolphin heads.And I just thought this was very, very strange.
And so yeah, that opened my eyes to the nomenclature that we use for that fish. I have another sort of silly show-and-tell.Phil, if you'll bring that picture up.This photo is the other thing I'd like to share with you guys.
This week we are recording Meat Eaters American History Volume 2 about the Mountain Men.
This photo was taken by yours truly on Tuesday after a lunch of Thai food and Steve laid down and he attempted to use the helmet as a pillow But the exterior of the helmet he found the shell was too hard So he thought I wonder if it feels good if I put my head in there Which he did and then he proceeded to take a 10-minute catnap on this very carpeted floor
So please know that we are hard at work on the next volume of Meteor to American History.And Steve did say, because he ate a bunch of noodles, and he said, I thought marathon runners eat a bunch of noodles before they run marathons.
How do they do that?And I said, I think you're supposed to do it the night before.They're not hawking down spaghetti like immediately before the race.So everybody learned something that day. All righty.Our next segment is a hot tip off.
Hot tip off is where two members of the crew go head to head with competing pieces of advice.And after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter.Take it away, Phil.
Hey guys, Mark Kenyon here for another hot tip off.And here's my suggestion for you.Pay more attention to tracks.
If you are out there hunting whitetails, trying to kill a buck, especially a mature buck, it's really useful to know exactly what you're looking for when you're trying to figure out, is this a doe track?Is this a buck track?
Is this a big old mature buck track?The best way I've found to learn how to identify a mature buck track is to actually get a real mature buck hoof and test it for yourself.Now, this is obviously not a real mature buck hoof.
I don't have that, but what I have done in the past is taken off the hoof of a mature buck I've killed, and then go take it and press it into the dirt precedent to mud precedent at different angles, go to different types of locations and see what that buck's hoof print actually looked like in real life.
And then you will know yourself, this kind of buck makes that kind of track. It's an incredible and simple way to get better identifying mature buck tracks.And you can do it.
If you kill at least one mature buck in your life, save that hoof, test it out.See what a mature buck print looks like in the rain.See what it looks like in the dusty, sandy soil.It's very interesting, very helpful.
Jason Phelps. I'm Jason Phelps and here's my hot tip.Here in New Mexico, archery elk hunting, um, it's been getting pretty windy in the evenings, you know, from about three to five.
And so one thing I wanted to share is how I'm planning my evening hunts and even my morning hunts is I will put a way point where I think those elk are at, and I'll add wind to that point.So I can see what the active wind is doing.
You know, for instance, right now it's blowing seven miles an hour out of the Southwest. I then add in, what are the thermals doing?Is the sun hitting that face?What are the creek draws?Is there running water?How the wind could be affecting it?
And then I'll plan my approach that way.That way, there's no chance those elk are ever gonna smell me.So yeah, I'm always looking at that wind.I'm checking when I get up in the morning before I go to an area.
Maybe I have to go to an area, a different direction than is the easiest direction.So add those waypoints. Plan your hunts that way, and you're never going to fool an elk's nose.
So I'm always using this to make sure my approaches are good as I'm calling my way into elk, as I'm approaching elk, as I'm hunting elk just in general.You know, even for rifle hunters that are still hunting, this is even more important.
You know, at least I can hear these elk.So that's my hot tip.Use Onyx waypoints and the wind feature.And I think you're going to find it very useful.It's been pretty spot on this entire hunt.
All righty, two hot tips there.Before you guys weigh in, and I hope you consider the two tips you've just heard, I saw perhaps what is my favorite listener comment of all time here.Someone commented in regards to the mustacheless Mark Kenyon.
Is this Mark's estranged teenage son? Yes.
Mark does look quite young when he gets rid of his facial hair, so... Yeah, Michael also asked why we keep showing this little kid, and does he have working fingers?
Oh, it's a crying shame that Mark got rid of his mustache.Yeah, I don't know what labor law is in Michigan, but yeah, we could run into some hot water if we keep showing Mark without his mustache there.
Thank you both for those comments, that really made my day.
All right, we have a lot of votes for Phelps already, just to get in front of this.All right, Seth, what are your thoughts here?
Not a very popular opinion around these parts, but I like whitetails more than elk.So I'm going with the young boy, Mark Kenyon.
But is that, I mean, are you considering the actual utility of the tip and not just the tracks?
Yeah, the tracks.Knowing what a big whitetail track looks like is very helpful.All right.Yeah.Brody?
I gotta go with belts because it's just applicable to way more than elk.
Name a big game species and that tip is, you can apply it.
Yep.Yep.What I appreciated the most about Mark's tip was I imagined him rolling around a golf bag with different aged hoofs in it.Because he's like, he's like, you want to get a big buck hoof.
This, this is just, this is another buck's hoof.He has a caddy.He's like, I'll take the three and a half year old.
He doesn't have that many big buck hoofs laying around but yeah, I really enjoyed that I have to agree I think with Brody and what seems to be the consensus of the audience here.I like the tip from Phelps.
I do think, you know, a tip that you can carry with you in any different situation just makes you better as a hunter.
Spot and stalk, walk into a tree stand in the dark, like that tip will work.It's not just an elk hunting, you know, tip.
I guess you could do the white tail tip with elk and, you know, bear hunting, but It's a lot of weight to haul around.Yeah.Yeah.A little bigger hoof.Yeah.Yeah. All righty.So Phelps won.Phelps won.
Congratulations to Jason Phelps.He wins nothing.
He doesn't win anything?He can't make a donation?Hey, no, we ran out of money.
Because of you.You just got too many perfect games, Randall.
Oh, I forgot about that.Thanks, Phil.Yeah, yeah, we had we had quite an interesting day on Monday this week.You'll have to tune in to future trivia episodes.
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Our next guest today is Dante Perreno.
He's coming to us live from Baldwinsville, New York, and Dante recently caught a state record smallmouth bass, but chose to release it before the New York Department of Environmental Conservation could inspect the fish and verify the record.
Dante, welcome to the show.
Hey guys, thanks for having me on.
So Dante, thanks for joining us.I understand you had a pretty good day on the water about a month ago.Can you tell us what you were doing that morning and how things started out?
Yeah, so it was a New York Bass Nation Federation tournament out of Augsburg.So it's on the St.Lawrence and it runs about 100 miles to the mouth of Lake Ontario.And it was probably like a 75 mile run to where I was going.
It was an area that I wasn't really familiar with.I've just found it Friday morning before I was bringing my grandfather a load of frozen walleye before the tournament.
That was, it was a shortened day Friday, but I had to make sure he was taken care of.And then, uh, yeah, it was honestly pretty crazy rolled in there and caught two small ones.
And I was debating about leaving and I was kind of waiting for the lake to lay down a little bit and, uh, hope that hooked into that giant fish and that kept me around for pretty much the rest of the day before I had to make the run back.
Can you tell us a little bit about the technique you're using or the lure or tackle or anything like that?
Yeah, so I was using Garmin LiveScope out in about 30 feet and kind of just tracking them down and there wasn't a lot of fish around, but I was using a 3.8 ounce Ned Rig paired with a Berkley Maxscent Flatnose Minnow.
So it's real small, subtle presentation. just utilizing electronics to find them and hunting down.But I was throwing it on a seven foot medium Fantasista Premier Abu Garcia with a Revo Rocket.
I assume you knew you had tied into something pretty big when you hooked it, but what was the reaction when you saw it next to the boat?
Yeah, I thought it was like a six pounder.I knew it was a good one because it was fighting hard and obviously it was pretty heavy. I was alone, I didn't have a co-angler, so I netted it myself.
And then once I tried to flop it in with like one arm with the net and laid it down and go to fizz it.I don't know if you're familiar with fizzing, but catching fish from deep water.
So I threw it on the live well lid and then it was like covered up the whole live well lid and it was a, it was a freak.
Could you explain the fizzing for folks that might not be familiar with it?
Yeah.So I like to relate it to like, if you were to go swimming in a pool or swimming anywhere and you go to try to swim to the bottom, like you're, you'll feel that pressure on your ears.
Like it's a similar thing with, with fish, they have an air bladder.
So whenever you, you don't even have to really pull them out of deep water, but essentially whenever a fish comes up and change in elevation happens really quick, then their air bladder will like puff up.
You keep them out of the water for like maybe more than a minute to 30 seconds.So use like a little needle with a plastic insert from New York's barbelly, it makes like the best one in my opinion.
But you basically prick the fish in this air bladder, like four spine over lined up with the anal pore, just basically directly behind their one fin.
And you'll lay them in the water in the live well, kind of in your hand and level them out and you'll release the air and it'll bubble out.But you want to make sure you prick obviously in the right, in the right place.
And you'll let it bubble out and just kind of hold it in your hands like this until the fish will right itself.And then once it writes itself and should be good to live all day.
Cause I mean, I caught that fish early and that was my first thing was like, I was thinking, I was like, I gotta keep this thing alive.Cause it was early on in the day and I had a 80 mile run back and it was a hot summer day.
Yeah.And just so folks are clear, I know like in Alaska that you're required to, uh, pop the air bladder on some of those fish before you release them.But this is not required.You're just doing this.
This is an extra step you're taking to make sure that fish survives.
Yeah.Yeah.I mean, it's true.It's preached more and more in tournaments up here because there's a lot of folks that fish tournaments on the St.
Lawrence and more and more that are coming to that aren't accustomed to catching deep smallmouth or deep fish wherever.
So we're going to try to preach that the best we can to keep this fishery healthy.
Yeah, in Alaska we're required to carry what's called a deep release.Oh, that's right.Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
You basically, they come up, like you'll catch a rockfish, comes up, his bladder's hanging out of its mouth, eyes are all puffed out, and then you release, you basically send them back to the bottom with a bunch of weight.
Yep, that's what I was thinking of.Yeah, I misspoke.The deep release rig. Dante, I mean, did you know it was a smallmouth the whole time?Or were you curious at all?Like, what do I have on here?Or are you just like, this is a big smallie?
I was hoping it wasn't a drum, like it crossed through my head that it might be a drum, just because it was like the way it was fighting, it was coming all the way to the boat and then swimming all the way back down.
So you'll run into a freshwater drum or sheep's head is what other people call them. I was pretty certain it was a bass, just the way you could kind of feel them shaking their head whenever you're fighting them.
So usually the drum will do like a couple of real long runs, but the bass tend to like, I don't know, you can, if you catch a lot of them and you're in the zone, you can almost feel like their, the head shake and it feels like a bass.
But I was just hoping that it wasn't, it wasn't a drum basically.
So you, so then you kept fishing for the day?
Yeah.So I was, In points stand wise, it's like three cumulative tournaments and they take the top six in the state.And I was like behind in the stand.So I needed to catch like 28 to 30 pounds in order to make the top six.
So I knew as soon as I caught that, I need to catch like four more minimum five pounders in order to even have a shot.
So it was just like fizzed it, threw it in the live well, checked like five minutes later to make sure it was standing up straight and looked healthy as a horse.So just kept going throughout the day and it was,
Pretty, pretty crazy day full of emotions.
So the, the, the record has not crossed your mind yet.You're just solely focused on that, that total at the end of the day.
Yeah.I didn't even like once I voted it, like I didn't even really think about the record at all and not until I got all the way back to weigh in and weighed it and then the scale at nine, even in a few guys were like, Sam, call the DC, call the DC.
And they're like, that's a new state record.I knew it was an eight, eight and change from Cayuga, but I didn't really,
What is the existing state record?
So it was eight pounds and six ounces, but the New York D.C.did certify the one that I caught over the last couple of weeks.I think they made it official.
So I got them all the witnesses, signatures, length, girth, and then all the scale certification and calibration and everything that they needed to get official.But yeah, like you said, I mean, whenever we called them,
they said that they didn't have an ELC officer that could come on site, so they were like, if you want the record officially, then you have to keep it, put it on ice. won't come the next day, but like, we're not saying that you're going to get it.
We're not saying you're not going to get it if you release it.
So, so if you were to, if you were to have held onto that fish and killed it, you could have been sort of guaranteed that this would get certified, but instead you, you trusted that, uh, or at least you, you wanted to release it enough that you'd rather the fish survive and go sort of through the more, I guess, uh, the less certain route of taking all those steps to certify it.
Yeah, exactly.I mean, I didn't want to selfishly take that fish's life over.I mean, it had to bend 20 to 25 years old in order to get nine pounds.
So, wow.That's awesome.How'd you end up that day in the tournament?
I ended up winning.I had 31 and change 31.4, I think was the total for, for best five.So I ended up taken home and then, uh, quite a day.
When, when you rolled up to the weigh-in and you, you should pull that fish out.I mean, what was the reaction from, from the doc there?
Yeah.Everyone was going crazy.I wasn't really expecting it.And then like, I turned around to like, grab it out of the bag and then hold it up.And it was like, I don't know, 20, 30 people standing there with all their phones out, like freaking out.
So it was pretty wild. Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
Yeah.And what was your what was your previous big fish prior to that?Just like in your in your life of fishing?
I caught a seven pound two ounce one in July practicing for the Thousand Island Open out of Kingston.That was that one was like old and decrepit, like definitely past its prime.Yeah, this fits with like healthy and built.So this one was
It looked a lot different, but like in my, whenever I got that seven pounder to the boat, it was just like so old.There's so many just beat up marks on it that it looked almost looked bigger than this one, but this one was just.
built with shoulders and had a crazy frame on it.
So that's awesome.That is awesome.So, uh, are you, so do you have more tournaments up ahead then?I mean, I guess it's kind of all downhill from here, right?With a state record Smalley and a big day.I mean, what's, what's next for you?
It's going to be hard to top that, but I mean, ran into some unfortunate luck last weekend was the last tournament up on the river. and I've had my lower unit go out.So I was planning on doing the 62nd fish.Oh, yeah.The fish with you guys, but.
We'll have to get you back on for that.I have a feeling you might be a competitive candidate compared to some of the other folks we've had on.
I was looking forward to that when you guys messaged me a few weeks ago, and then last weekend it literally just went out.
So I'm going to be down for a few weeks, but hopefully I'll still be able to get out in November and just catch some fish for fun. They're, they're definitely playing that time of year.
Nice.That's awesome.Well, Dante, we appreciate you coming on.Uh, it's an awesome story.Congrats on the fish and kudos to you for releasing it.
Um, you know, it's, it's, um, it seems like it wasn't a question in your mind, but, uh, you did the right thing for that fish.And, uh, it's just a very cool story all around.
Thanks, man.I appreciate it.Thanks for having me on.We'll talk to you again.Thanks, man.Have a good one.
He's just like, he's a, he's a cool customer.Yeah.Yeah.
I would like to fish with him someday.
Yeah.I have a feeling he has a few spots he could take us to.Yeah.Well, gang, I'm sorry to say, but that brings us to the end of the show.Save for some listener comments, Phil. What do you got for us here?
Send them in now.Drop them in the chat.Please, please.
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Yeah, what do you got for us?
Stockton asks Utah proposed change to the changes to the rifle and muzzleloader hunts on my unit for the next five years They proposed open sight rifles and traditional muzzleloaders flintlock, etc.They want to increase deer herds opinions
I'm not fall open site rifles and true.I think it's just that they took away the option to use a scope generally.
Yeah.I mean, I think there are a couple different places across the West that are considering making some changes to the legal technology.Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough question.
It's tough to roll things back once guys are using them and they're used to them.But I think if that's what needs to be done to conserve the resource, and that's what the state or the managers think is most appropriate,
It's kind of hard to argue with it, but I'm just not familiar enough with that particular proposal.
Yeah.Like you said, rolling back kind of like a traditional use pattern.Like, I don't know.That's hard, man. I'd rather see them cut tag numbers.
Yeah.That's what I'm curious is like, have they, is it the case that they've cut tag numbers and they've shortened seasons and they still don't, if this is the last tool in the toolbox, I guess I can understand it.
But yeah, rolling things back and taking things away.
There's an argument to be made, like a serious argument to be made against doing that simply because you could say you're less accurate, more wounded deer, you know.
I always think about that when, when, you know, it's, it's, there's not a right answer, but like, yeah, certain technologies are more effective and for better or worse, like that might lead to increased harvest, but it also probably, hopefully leads to less, you know, wound loss.
Brent is asking, Randall, is it cheating if I have to Google the spelling of a meat-eater crossword answer?It sucks to suck at spelling.As someone who just got dinged for a misspelled word the other day.
Yeah, and I would like to point out I appreciate the support in the YouTube comments.I did think that chrysalis should have counted.If chrysalis is the right answer.
And I noticed that there are quite a few of you out there who agreed with me and I your support is Acknowledged and appreciated.
It was acknowledged by me as well as well, but not as appreciated as much I guess I guess It depends on how you're googling the spelling that seems like a slippery slope.So you're typing in the misspelled word
to get the right word, or are you saying, like, I'm trying to think of this word.
Yeah.Well, my opinion is that it's only going to slow you down, and that longer time is going to bring your score down.So by Googling spelling, you're kind of just, you're shooting yourself in the knee there.
And at a certain point, it's just going to cause you to not get the next series of
Yeah, correct.My general crossword philosophy is some days I will not look at any hints and I won't flip over any tiles.I mean, not on the meat-eater crossword, of course, but like when I'm doing the New York Times, some days I hold myself
very honest and accountable, and some days I just want to have fun doing a crossword.So, you know, you're playing against yourself.It's kind of like golf.
So just, you know, if you have to wipe a stroke every now and then, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
This is a single question, but when you were going over your show and tell stuff, there was an ongoing conversation happening in the live chat about what some of those rounds might be.
He's giving you tips, but this is a question, but this is me, Phil, giving you a tip, Seth, to maybe revisit the live chat after the show, because there was some discussion happening that was over my head.Maybe it won't be over yours.
I'll go through it.Yeah, I'll go through it. Yeah.And this is for all of you.If each of you could propose one very specific topic for an upcoming book in the meat eater lineup, what would your topic be?And I'd say sky's the limit here.
Not like realistically, like you personally, if you could pitch a book to be published as a part of the meat eater lineup, something that really, that you're really into.
Boy, boy, that's tough.That is tough.Because I have a pile of books that need to be written, as does Brody.
Yeah, we've got, there's plenty of books in your future coming from Mediator.I recently, and I still would like to see it happen, we, a few years, several years back, we did the hunting guide books. the big game and small game hunting guidebooks.
One of my recent pitches is doing a similar thing with fishing, but we're testing the waters to see if there's a demand for it or not.So send us, if you want it, send us a message.
As a photographer here at MeatEater, I wouldn't mind seeing just a fantastically beautiful coffee table book.
Which has been, we pitched that idea around.
All the photos that have been taken over the years here at MeatEater.That would be a good one.I think it would be pretty cool.
Wouldn't be cheap though.No, I bet not.No.Glossy coffee table books are spendy.
But it would be worth it.Oh yeah.Collectors item.Worth every penny, I think.Yeah, I think so.Even if you could, you know, if you could get some autographed copies, maybe do a limited release of Seth Morris autographed copies.
I think my idea that's just come to me now, it's not something that I've been dreaming up, but I think it would be useful to have like a
sort of a reference and history about, you know, public lands, the North American model, explaining different land management agencies and their history and sort of what their priorities are as an agency and just sort of giving people the vocabulary and context to talk about policy that affects hunters and anglers, you know, in a way that's like conversational.
Yeah, that's the challenge is to
Yeah, because you can get bogged down in like the the legalese and the administrative and bureaucratic jargon, but Obviously like there's no shortage of interest in that from our audience like people love that stuff and they want to know more and they want to be more involved so I think like a Dictionary or encyclopedia of conservation would be I think it's like I
Out being out here in the West you're just like kind of automatically more versed in that stuff.Oh, yeah like I'm sure there's a lot of like I didn't know what in hell BLM was when I lived in Pennsylvania, right?
So there's like a lot of things that a lot of people from Other parts of the country that could look they could learn a lot, you know.
Oh, yeah No, I remember when I was when I was in college I was finishing up and I really wanted to go bear hunting and I wanted to go to Montana and I wanted to go bear hunting in Montana and I remember
having this realization like national forest, you can hunt on national forest.And then I looked at a map of Montana and saw the green on the map and I was like, oh, of course I can go shoot a bear there.Like practically half the state, you know?
And, but that was like a moment that opened my eyes when I realized like that these lands are accessible and, and open to all and open to hunting.
Cause I was more familiar coming from the East or the Midwest with, you know, national parks and the more sort of hands off, uh, public lands.So.
That's my that's my half-cooked book pitch, which maybe should be a new segment here Ironhops asks if he should get Jack White tickets tonight or banked his bank time for the rut here in Wisconsin The answer is Jack White tickets next question Come on, Randall.
This is your first time in in the program since Louisiana So just give me a quick fishing update.
Man, Louisiana was a lot of fun.Met a lot of people from all around the country.Everybody had their own personal passion, hunting and fishing speaking, so we got to like just talk to people about deer hunting or pig hunting or whatever they did.
But the fishing was fantastic.Every day we went out and kind of had a different program, like we fished different looking stuff, caught a bunch of different fish, different species. It was consistent throughout the day, which was nice.
You'd get into them starting right out of the first thing in the morning, and then you'd be catching them up to lunchtime.And then you never know when you get a big one.So we had some big black drum, some big redfish.
You kind of never know what you're going to get.You never know what you're going to get.Yeah, we were fishing this one redfish spot. And, uh, we'd caught a couple out of there.
And then I hooked something that just went straight out into the Gulf, like under the boat and straight out to the Gulf, just ripping line and popped off.And the guide's like, Oh, that was a shark.
And Steve cast in the same place, like 30 seconds later and another shark grabbed it.
And he actually boated that one, but it was just like, yeah, I mean, coming from a place where you're either catching a trout or a whitefish, you know, uh, it's cool to be in a real diverse fishery.
Yeah, we caught a lot of different species.
And then we went out on the dock and just caught weird catfish.
And there was big gar rolling right there.
Yeah.Wild place, a lot of pelicans, just like super cool birds.Gators.Gators.Yeah.I loved it.I loved it.
Yeah. Cool place and Michael we address this at the top of the show He's asking about the trivia when being overturned Brody seems very unbothered by it if he is bothered.
He's hiding it very well Well, you know, I think if you Michael I think if you look back at the last several episodes, you know I've like I beat Randall a bunch so I got to give him a win here.It's true, you know
That's all the time we have.I'm just joking.We can have a couple more questions.
Oh, no.Anything good, Phil?I was going to end it there as well.Sorry.
You want to end it on a low note?No, I'm really... Well, I guess it's a high note because he's reminding us that I did win that game.Yeah.There you go.Yeah.Well, gang, appreciate you tuning in.
It's always a pleasure to do this and a lot of fun to read the chat.So signing off from Meat Eater Radio Live.Adios.
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