We're live.Sagar, thank you, dude.Thank you for coming.Thank you for having me.I like your setup.Thank you, man.
Thank you.It's it's a it's since I'm in politics, you know, I kind of think I that's what I've I vibe with the set more.
I think I think it's a good look for you to do.I think you look good on it.Really?
There's something now I feel really self-conscious.I should have worn my suit.The only reason I didn't is because I'm going out after this.You know, I'm like going to be about for sure.You don't want to be walking around Austin, Texas.
I did it yesterday after Lex Friedman's podcast and I was getting a lot of love.
Do you guys both wear suits?
Yes, we both wore suits.That's right.
But his is the black suit.His is different.He has like a uniform.
And I like to change it up.
He's like an alien fighter.He dresses like Will Smith from Men in Black.
It's kind of, there's something nice about that.I've always wanted to do the Steve Jobs thing where I wear the same thing every day.
I think you could do it.I feel like I could.I know one guy who's been wearing all white for seven years and I might jack his swag.
In comedy, do you think it is useful to have a uniform or no? Cause I noticed that comedians have been getting very like fashion forward.Yeah.
And sometimes I'll go to a set and I'm like, honestly, what he's wearing is kind of distracting me right now.
Yeah.I don't understand why.I mean, I have like a loose uniform.It's just jeans, usually these sneakers and I just switch a plain color t-shirt.
That's fine.See that, that's not just, that's like a, that's comfortable.I could see that working, but sometimes I'll see these guys in like crazy ass Gucci stuff.I'm blinded by you right now.I can't even hear what you're saying.
I never understood that too.Cause it's like, dude, you're supposed to be making people laugh.You tell me.
I don't know.It's your profession.
I don't know what it is.I see people go way fashion forward on the stage and I'm kind of like, dude, you're kind of, it's just like a distraction.Totally.And nobody cares.I totally agree.It's like, nobody cares.Your job here is to play the fool.
Like you're trying to dress like a cool guy.It's like, I think it detracts.
I'm bringing it to tracks.If I ever wear anything that is remotely eye-catching, I'll think about it on stage the entire time.Really?I can't, yeah.It took me forever.This is my aura ring.It's just for tracking my biometrics.It took me forever.
I would meet every person I met, I'd be like, I'm usually not a two-ring guy.
You're the only aura ring person I know who's a guy.
I know.Well, they track their periods.
I know.That's why every woman I know is like, they're obsessed with period tracking.So how does it feel to be a guy wearing an aura ring?
What do you even get out of it?Me and Nick's ex from 311, I'm not the only guy.Real men wear whoop straps.Whoop straps are cool.But here's the thing, sleeping with something on my wrist, I get it to track my sleep.My sleep is way up.
I just too clunky on my hand.What do you mean it's too clunky on your hand?
It's too clunky.I tried doing the Apple Watch sleep and I just can't get with it.
I'll tell you, when I got my wedding ring, it took me months to get used to this shit. Yeah, it's just even now.I'm always like this.
I know subconsciously I'm Banging on shit.
I felt weird for the longest time and then now if I don't have it on I feel like a right I can make it boy ever get terrifying that you're gonna rip your finger off.
I think about that all the time How are you gonna rip your finger?I don't know like the the trunk or something like something will catch just exactly the right way Oh, you're gonna come into it like that.
Yeah, and your entire finger is gonna be completely ripped off.Oh
Then it's, well, look, if you rip your ring finger off, then it's on.You can do whatever you want.It'd be like, bro, my bad.What do you even tell your wife?Put the ring on the nub?Yeah, she's like, I lost my ring.
You just cheat on her all the time as you go into the ring finger?
I'm like, babe, I don't have a ring finger.It's gone.
Yeah, if you lose that finger, you're a bachelor.I like that.You remember those rules in the 2000s?I love watching, you know, 2000s movies or actually 1990s like American Pie when they're like, it's not cheating. in not in the same zip code.
And re-watching it 25 years later, you're like, that makes no fucking sense.Like, how is this conventional wisdom in 2001?That, the hall pass was another big one.Hall pass.There was a whole Friends episode, like, what's your hall pass?
But that's not real.It's totally fake.
Yeah, you're buttfucking a lady in a hotel room.Like, stop acting like it's a cute thing to do. Yeah, I was literally just thinking about hall passes yesterday.I was like, they try to push that for a little bit.
It was a huge 2000s trope as if all relationships functioned on if you're not in separate area codes, you're not married or you're engaged.Hall passes were apparently and allegedly a thing.What else was there?
Work wife, work wife, work wife was a huge thing.That shit pisses me off.Yeah.I don't like that stuff at all.
The entire work wife concept is fucking weird, you know?I mean, I understand how it arises, but it's like, it's not your work wife.You're cheating on your wife.Exactly.
You're having an emotional relationship.
You are having an emotional affair.
That's going to bleed over.Right.Yeah.
Things were weird in the 90s.They were.
And there was also in the 90s, it was like very in vogue.We talked about this before, but it was like very in vogue to like jailbait.The concept of like having sex with underage women was just like, yo, bro, jailbait.
That was a big, that's another big American pie thing too.
Yeah.I mean, man, they don't age well, but they are still hilarious.
They should remake it.They should do it again.We need, what was the last one?American Wedding.Is that what it is?
Alright, I lost track American pie.I saw that that was like a huge thing to see when I was younger I kind of jumped off that and hangover.I didn't really follow the hangover as well Comedies, they stopped making comedy movies for the most part.
Yeah, but the whole reason I'm here is because Shane is filming Todd.
I know.Now it's the emergence.It's re-emerging.And that technically is a show.The comedy, the great American comedy, there was like the Farrelly brothers, all these people.You don't have like a comedy in the theaters.
And the weirdest thing too is that the director, Todd Phillips, I mean, he made so many of those movies that I love.Old School, he made, what else did he make?He made Road Trip, I think, which is an incredible film.
Road Trip is so good. But now, and then he did The Hangover, he became filthy rich, but then he just made, he made the Joker movie.And then he made Joker 2, which is adorable.It's like a total disaster.
Dude, why did they do that?
I don't know.I mean, um, the Galaxy Brain case, Tarantino had a really good quote.He's like, Joker is Todd Phillips saying, you know, the way he talks, he's like, Joker is Todd Phillips saying, way of saying fuck you to the audience.
And that's why it's brilliant. And I was like, I don't know, Tarantino, I think you're galaxing, braining yourself into how this shitty movie is actually really good.
Yeah, it's just bad.It's just empirically bad.
I know.Even, even though to be like, yeah, cause it, for me, I always think of like the mood, like the, I guess if you're already, you have that track record, it's like people will still invest in you.
Well, that thing is fuck you money.And honestly, he's a super weird dude.One of my favorite books I read about Hollywood was Molly's game actually also became a movie, which is a good movie.I think it's on Netflix.
And it's about that girl who ran the high stakes poker game in Hollywood.But I ended up reading the book and I found out Tobey Maguire is a complete and total psycho.So Tobey, I had no idea.So Tobey was part of the quote unquote pussy posse.
So I knew that.But then I'm reading about these weird psychological mind games that he would play in the book. And he would, at one point he had a quote where he's like, poker is not about winning.Poker is about destroying people's souls.
And he would string people along and bring them, get them into debt.And he was constantly charging this girl, the girl who ran the games, and he was fucking with her and her livelihood.And he would take the game.
He's a multi-hundred millionaire or whatever.And he's constantly, he's charging her for using his automatic shuffling machine.Just weird power game shit.Like true Hollywood.
Reading that book, I was like, dude, you are an actual psychopath.Like, this Sebas, he's the jockey.That's Spider-Man.That's all I know about this guy.I was like, oh man, this is so weird.
Well, he's probably upset his parents died when he was younger and he had to become a superhero and got bit by a spider.
And then, yeah, the more I learned, and Todd Phillips is in the book too.That's what made me think of him.
He's a total weirdo.So this is all like a biographer basically, like digging into these
No, she wrote the book.She was like my journey running a high stakes poker game.Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.She was like the assistant to some rich Hollywood fuck and he brought her to run the games and then she got in with like Tobey Maguire.
Apparently Leo came and Tobey got Leo to come.The Pussy Posse, yeah.Yeah, but Leo's also apparently like didn't talk to anybody and just put his headphones on the entire time while he was playing poker.
Dude, I've heard a headphone story about Leo.
I was gonna say, so that's what reminded me of the other Leo story.
You know the song he listens to?
Oh, dude, it's a fuck.Then and then and then time to pretend he listens to time to pretend while looking like someone who's wearing like basically young women.
Time to pretend it.What?She's 27.It's time to pretend she's 27, which is no younger.What's it?What's the I'm saying?She's 18.He's pretending.
Oh, that's right.He's trying to pretend that she's 18.
They shouldn't pretend she's 27, but she is 18.
The whole thing is very strange.The Leo thing, I don't get it.I love Leo.He's such an incredible actor.He's got great instincts.He's actually a very, very smart guy.But yeah, his personal life, it's weird.I think we need to call a spade a spade.
It is.And it's also one of those things where I think Bill Maher is like another avowed kind of like, yeah, I fucked 19 year olds and I'm 65 and he's like... No, he's older than that.
I think he's like 67, bro.He might be pushing 70 actually.
Really?Yeah. Yeah, and it's another one where it's like, yeah, it is weird.It is definitely weird, dude, because it's the mental difference is crazy.Yeah.
I mean, we're talking like order, like statistical, like, like think about how many standard deviations away you are.
It's like a vampire.It's like you're an immortal vampire at that point.You're 70 talking to an 18 year old girl.You're kind of babysitting her.Absolutely.You are.There's no question.
And if it's like, dude, like you could be like, I can make a, you know, I can make a geometric case for their breasts.It's like, all right, dude, we'll like, dude, just stop being such a pervert.Go jack off.You don't have to date an 18 year old.
Just go jerk off.You don't have to like, try to make it a lifestyle.
I love this because this is a very just natural way of us, like, you know, bringing ourselves to being like, yeah, you know, there's actually really something about you should just get married, bro.Just get married, be normal.Being normal is good.
It's actually a good thing.People who aren't normal are fucking weirdos.
And I mean, you know, you and I are in a unique position where you actually probably eventually get to meet some of these famous people that you see, or you get to just hear little things that are not out in the public.
And you're like, oh yeah, there's a real cost to this, isn't there?And I'm like, I don't know I'm like, I don't want to fuck with this.This is not the way that I choose to live my life.And I don't really want to be associated with that.
Well, dude, there comes a point where you're either involved in this like, you know, cause yeah, you're absolutely right.Cause you, you, you get to like, you know, they're like the rarefied air of like Hollywood and that old stuff.
And it does turn into like a diabolical power game.
And it's like, we all have those instincts to participate in some level, but there are people who give their entire lives to like, you know, like looking at another guy's car or being like, he got what project?Fucking motherfucker.
Where's my 19 year old girlfriend.I need to fucking eat her pussy right now.
Weird, consumerist, like idolatry of the self.And it's like everything that I've learned, you know, in life is just like, all of that is horrible and it's bad. There's a good political, you know, thing to this too.
If you stay in Washington, the thing is, lots of people who are young come to Washington, 22, 23 years old, wide-eyed, bushy-tailed, all of that.Most people burn out by 27.So I'm like in my mid-30s now, and so I'm in the cohort, like, we made it.
Like, the people who actually got the job, stayed in the lifestyle and all that.
But this is also, you know, there's this cringe show about How I Met Your Mother, and there's a very important concept that Barney lays out in that show, where he's like, relationships, and I think life is like this,
have off ramps like an exit where it's like relationships is like one year, three year, five year, 10 year, 25, something like that.And if you look statistically, he's not wrong in terms of like when divorces and breakups and all that stuff happen.
But for like professional DC or honestly, any career where it requires you to give fucking everything to it, but then you start to see one of the most important pieces of advice I got was like, look at where you are and then look at the guy who's 10 years in that same path.
And I was in the White House briefing room, for example, And I was looking around, I'm like, wait a second, I don't want to be any of you people.I'm like, I need to get the fuck out of here.
I'm like, if we're on this track, I'm like, this is a bad track.
We gotta get out.What was the White House briefing?Was that like when you sit and ask questions?
Yeah, that's where, well, I didn't even get to sit.I had to stand like a bitch in the corner. But you're just yelling questions.It's horrible, man.Yeah, so actually I'm hopeful with the new administration that we can change some of this up.
So the way it works is that the White House Correspondents Association is like a cartel.And even though it's unofficial, they run everything.So all the briefing room seats are assigned by the White House Correspondents Association.
I was working for the Daily Caller at the time, which is a conservative media outlet.And if you want a seat, you have to apply.And applying takes years to get a new seat.And so if you don't have a seat, then obviously you have to get there early.
So I would get there hours early ahead of time just to be able to stand in the hallway, like on the side, and you're literally crammed in up against all these different people.There's all this jockeying, and there's foreigners.
It's like the stock market kind of, in a way. It's like a movie, right?And then you just sit there and you kind of like poke your hand.I was lucky because I'm tall.So I actually get my hand above.
There was a short girl behind me and she was like, can I get in front of you?I'm like, sorry, bitch.I got here.Yeah.I was here at 5am.It's a dog eat dog world.Like get here earlier.Yeah.I don't know what to tell you.That's the part.
That's what I'm talking about though.I don't want to be that person.That actually sucks.Or there was this girl who she's like, I am shooting a documentary.I'm from England and all this.And I was just wondering if I get my shot.
I'm like, yeah, if you get your shot, I'm going to get my question.So it's like, and then my boss is going to chew my ass out.So it's just not going to happen.Yeah.It's like, and you don't want to be in that mind space is more what I'm saying.
So that's, that's probably takes a toll.
Hollywood finance, politics, all these other things all function the same way in that if you want to be in the top 0.1% of your field, you have to give everything to it.
There's no other choice. Yeah.And you know, people should be real with that.So if you're listening and you're like thinking like, Oh, I really want to do something like that.Just be, just understand what it takes.
Understand what it actually takes to get there.
Oh dude.Yeah, for sure.And it, dude, it's funny cause I'm, I'm viewing schools now for me and it's like kind of related.So I'm looking at schools for my daughter.She's going into kindergarten next year.
So we're like looking at, and it's like, dude, schools now are, and I think it's good, but there, when I've been seeing, it's like,
they're educating people to like do something for everybody to like bring something to the world rather than like, well, you know, we were in school.
It was more like, yeah, build yourself up so that you're a high value individual that you can just take resources for yourself and just, you know, like fuck off.And it's like, yeah.But the problem is, is like they sold everyone that dream.
But the reality is, is like most people aren't going to get those.
Well, and it's not going to be on doctors and most people don't want to do that.
I'm Indian, so I don't know a lot of doctors.It's like, do you want to know how hellish medical school is?Be real.
Do you want to spend eight years in school, four years making shit money with $300,000 in debt, working 80, 90 hours a week, getting shit on by the attending physicians, then hoping and praying that you get
you know, your placement or whatever for the next job.So by the time you're my age, you can finally get your first paycheck.Oh, but fuck you.
Even though you get your first nice paycheck, 90% of that is going to be going to clearing off of your medical debt and you've lived 10 years.You're probably now addicted to smoking, food, like some bites of something.
Again, you, you know this too.When you work really hard, like it takes it all from you.You're going to be addicted to energy drinks, nicotine, whatever.Like you need something. It's not possible to do it natural.
It's true.I've, I've gone back and forth and it's like, I'm like, no, I don't need anything.And I had like a pretty harsh caffeine phase for myself.I'm like sensitive to it.I had to stop that cause I wasn't sleeping.
But how do you, cause you travel a lot.
I recently, it sucks.I've recently introduced the melatonin.I'm a very like natural type.I don't want to take anything, but I've, I've succumbed to just like, interesting.
Just kind of do a warning about melatonin though.So Andrew Huberman says not to take I know man, I know it's not good.
It was something about something he said like the label on the bottle can be anywhere between like two percent and one hundred and a thousand percent of what's actually in there.
Yeah, and he said something, don't take my word for it, but it was something along the lines of I've seen them give melatonin to rats and it shrivels their balls.So he's like I think that it messes with testosterone.
Enough said, I'm done.My opinion, you should stay off.I'm off it.
I'm off it.It is a, I, as soon as I started taking it, I was like, I get why Michael Jackson had a guy with like an IV in his arm.
No, that was a whole other level, man.That's like pro, what was it?Propofil?
Propofil.It was Propofil.But you start to like, dude, it's like, you're just sitting there reading a book and all of a sudden the melatonin just starts to like weigh, you're like a stone statue.
And then you're just like, did you read about this Matthew Perry thing? Oh, it was so fucked up.I love Matthew Perry.So, I mean, it's really sad.
I read his book, actually, after he died, and Perry was, obviously, everybody knows he was a drug addict, but his parents, it turns out his mom was the press secretary for Justin Trudeau's dad when he was a prime minister.
And apparently he beat the shit out of Justin Trudeau when they were kids, which is wild.
Matthew Perry beat up Justin Trudeau?
Matthew Perry beat up Justin Trudeau.
Yeah, it is cool.But so Perry, it turns out, when he was a really little baby, And he was crying.His parents would give him like benzos, like benzodiazepine.What?Like really fuck.
And he was like, yeah, well, some of my parents' funniest stories is about me as a baby just sitting there like drooling out of my mouth when they were plugging me full of benzos because I was crying.He was like, colicky.
And so his theory of why he's so fucked up and addicted to drugs was because at a very early age that he had benzos.
And he's talked about how the very first time he ever felt like anything was good in this world was when he was drunk at 14 years old.And that was the rat race.
And then he becomes a fucking hundred millionaire, centi-millionaire, whatever, from friends.And that's why you can see his weight wildly fluctuate on the show, because he was either drunk or he was on pills or he was on Oxy.But dude,
The thing is with Perry is he died of a ketamine overdose, I believe, and the Los Angeles District Attorney filed this case against a so-called ketamine queen, and they have text messages in there of the doctor and the girl who was selling him all this illegal ketamine being like, how much can we take this rich asshole for?
you know, charging him thousands of dollars per hit of ketamine of which they're buying.It's not very chill.Ketamine community.Deeply exploitative shit.Like really bad.
I have a horrible, I have a, a lot of people are really into ketamine.I have a very kind of like weird thing.Cause I knew a lot of like evil hippies who were like, Oh, They got like addicted to that shit.They used to call it hippie heroin.
K-hole, yeah.Dude, before it became mainstream, it was known like people were like, oh, it's hippie heroin because they would like nod out.What does it do?Because I thought that it helps.Dissociative.
But there's the depression aspect.There's like the therapeutic aspect.And apparently he'd been having ketamine in a therapeutic setting.But then I guess he got addicted to that.
And that's why he died in that hot tub, man, because, dude, and it was like his assistant, his little drug assistant, they were working to procure him drugs and charge him thousands of dollars because they were ripping this guy off.
That's not right.It's called cussing someone out.They're cussing him.You treat them cussy prices.Yeah.It's not a good thing to do.But yeah, I've heard people who swear by it.They're like, if you do like, because you can do,
Like, you know, they make like little lozenges and stuff.So you could like lay there.My brother's all about it.He's like, you lay there.He's a big K guy.Big K guy.Big special K guy.He was really selling me on it.
And it was like, you know, I'm like, and I get like, if you're laying there, it's like a 30 minute ordeal.You come out of it.He's like, it is.It's good.It's like, you know, blah, blah, blah.
But then there's doctors like, we'll prescribe you a little bit.Like, you can just kind of have it to kind of like, because you can either like get into a K hole or just kind of take the edge off.
And I knew like these dudes that would just snort K constantly.But if you snort too much, then you'll just be sitting there like,
The other K that I see signs for everywhere, and I actually don't know what it is, is kratom.What is kratom?You see signs for this everywhere.CBD, we sell kratom.I don't know a single person who's ever used kratom.I don't know what kratom is.
I just know it exists, but it's everywhere.It's literally everywhere.It's every gas station in America.
Gas stations sell like full on, they sell drugs, or you can sell weed legally at gas stations now.Dude, they did, it's the hemp farm bill allowed THCA, which is weed, the active ingredient is THC.Is that the same as, was it spice or whatever?
No, it's dude, so spice is a synthetic, so it's like if you take Delta 9, tetrahydrate, whatever it's called, there's the exact molecule that's illegal.
Spice is like, let's remove a couple carbon molecules and make a hydrogen, and now it's like very similar. But it's legal because it's not technically the same stuff.It's like an analog or whatever you want to call it.
So what kratom is, well with the THCA stuff, it's like weed picked off the plant is THCA because there's a carbon molecule.That's why if you have to make brownies, you have to heat the weed up to decarboxylate it.
And that's what, like, THC is illegal, but THC is legal.So now you can grow hemp, which is just weed, with THCA, which is just THC, and it's legal.And you can sell it at a gas station.It's completely schizophrenic.It makes no sense.
It makes no sense.But, I mean, I think it's sick.You can mail it right to your house.
Oh, yeah.You can just get it mailed right to you.
I was for the longest time.I can smell weed in here, you know.It wasn't me.
It wasn't me.I know you hate it.It wasn't me.That was you, bro.You were blazing.Me and Saga ripped the blood, dude.I like that.
Don't put misinformation out there, all right?The moment I came down here, my nostrils flared.I didn't want to say anything, but I did suspect you.I'm not going to lie.I immediately suspected you.
I was a big weed guy since I was in high school through college.
But you quit, right?So it's a success story.
I cut it out, but here's the thing.It becomes too much, especially when you have kids.It's like, I just can't.I can't be high.
Can you tell that to more people?Yeah.
Some people claim, but for me personally, it's like having a weird panic attack at a playground, not serving your family.That sounds horrible.Oh, fuck, dude.I just got to be brave for my daughter right now.
But everybody says it's chill.No, it's chill, dude.It's totally chill.
Dude, the thing is, the weed is so strong now.
Yes, I know.Thank you.Please continue.
Dude, I have, dude, I've literally, I was selling weed from 2008 up until whatever, pretty embarrassing recently, but the... Whatever, I don't even remember.I'm gonna call Philly PD.Maybe 2009.Is weed legal in Philly PD?
I knew a guy who got, it's totally, it's medical.I knew a guy who got caught with coke outside of the, you know, whatever, Delaware County. And apparently they, the Delaware County, or whatever township police called the Philadelphia PD.
And they're like, we caught this guy with cocaine.We also think he's been buying weed from Philadelphia.And dude, the Philly PD just went, hung up on him.He was in the room.
He was in trouble for it.I mean, to be fair, they have like actual problems.
Yes.Murders.Yeah.And they were just like, he's like, dude, the Philly PD hung up on the township police.
They're like, dude, we don't care about that.
But it is, dude, with the dabs, it has become drugified.So I like watched weed develop for years, like very close to it.
And it was like, uh, it became a thing that was like, dude, this is like, dude, like, you know, it was like, everyone talks about this.Like in the seventies, it was like 7% THC and you get like 14, 15 was like, wow, dude, it's like 30.
Some of them are like 28 to 30%. It's too much.
And they also, the percentage was that are sold to you.It's kind of like what I just said about melatonin.You have no idea whether that's correctly in there or not.So yeah, let's stay off the weed.Let me, that also allow me a weed diatribe.
That's fine.I'll give you one.What my thing is now, it's like, so now they're starting to regrow it and introduce like the, um, grow it so it's like only 7% with CBD.And that's very relaxing and it's not as psychoactive.
It really can make you, it's like the founding father weed.That's like the hemp George Washington smoked.It's very chill.You might get like, you know.
Well, he was doing opium too, do you think?
Of course, they all were doing opium back then.That's how the painkillers happened.That's a forbidden part of the 1900s and nobody ever talks about.The shocking number of opium and cocaine addicts that were up until the 1920s.
incredible amount of society was addicted to morphine, opium, cocaine.You could get it readily across the counter.A lot of the doctors were going to prison because they were coke addicts and they were prescribing cocaine to different people.
It's actually pretty wild.
Yeah, I think you can get it in prison.You can get opium in prison in like the 20s.I think you could order it on a commissary.Wow. I think so.I just read I read a book about like an old like a burglar from like a bad way to spend the time.
Yeah.Already locked up.Yeah.Yeah.You just gobble it up.You can just.Yeah.Exactly.You can just gobble it up.I think I think it was like either the guards were selling it.But I remember the guy was saying in the book he just ordered some opium from the
Well, it wasn't illegal for a long time.
I mean, it took a long time because there was a lot of same problems we have now.Opium addicts at the time, it's like for a while they're on opium, they can't afford opium, you start robbing people to pay for your opium.
And they're like, okay, we got to get rid of this.
Yeah, this is a problem.The Kratom now, Kratom is a... It's not- So what is it?Is it a plant?So it's technically an opiate.It's a plant.It's a natural plant, but it has- No, this is what they say about it.It's natural.It is natural.
What did you just talk about?Oh, the cross plays with this.Yes.30, 40% now.It's like, that's not fucking natural.
That's as natural as a red tomato in a grocery store.
I totally agree.I think they've totally, they've ruined weed.Now it's called type 2 cannabis.They're walking it back.And I think that, cause dude, I couldn't, I would just like freak out.I'm like, this sucks.This isn't fun at all.
Or I do think though, and this is like a, uh, I do like saying this to people because people get very like bullish with weed.They'll be like, dude, fucking five milligram.I can take a 50 mil.It's like this because you're a dumbass.
You don't have anything going on in your brain.
So you're just like, you've actually cooked so much of your IQ off that you no longer have the IQ to understand.
I'm saying naturally they're a dumbass.They've always been.People can do like 200 milligram edibles.It's like, yeah, because you're a fucking dumbass.You don't have anything going on in your mind.
You're just sitting there like, you're like a dog gets a brownie.You're just kind of like, uh, Or you metabolize it differently, I don't know.But the kratom, they do snag people with the natural stuff, but it's like it mimics opiates.
So people will use it to get off of like, you could be sick from heroin if it was a plant.But it also is different, like if you take a little bit it's energizing, but if you take a lot it's like you ate like four Percocets.
Dude, and people get addicted to it, man.
No, no, I do know that.That's why I brought it up, because there is a lot of this weird stuff like Kratom, obviously weed now with the mass legalization, and nobody ever talks about it.If you look at the weed graph, over 20% of weed users
are using it on a multi-daily basis.So imagine if 20% of people who drank alcohol drank straight liquor all day every day.
That's not even close.What is the percentage of people who drink alcohol daily?
Who are daily drinkers?I think it's like 7% to 8%. Actually, by the way, I'm not putting alcohol off.It's really bad.People who are alcoholics, it ruins your life.It will kill you early.There's all this stuff.
And actually, weed and alcohol, almost all vices actually have the same effect.It's like the Pareto principle where 20% can be responsible for 80%.
And so 20% of weed users consume almost all of the weed because they're using it every single day and it's extremely high THC and it's psychoactive Anybody who knows anybody's ever owned a liquor store?
It's like the vast majority of your sales are going to the same like alcoholics.Honestly, it's really sad Yeah, and then gambling is the same way like a huge percentage of casino returnees like You know, every people go to Vegas and they have fun.
But like, if you have ever spent time in a casino, like the people that come every single day, just like pissing their life.It makes you really sad.That's the saddest part.
It's so sad.It's really sad.It's so sad.When you see this, especially the old people there and you're like, damn, your kids stop talking to you.You've worked your whole life.
Do you have sports gambling advertisers?Do you?
Oh, big time.Oh, do you?Okay. You can talk whatever you want.Okay.All right.Well, then I'll say it.It's unfettered free speech.You think I'm going to restrict speech on the podium?
Sorry, DraftKings and FanDuel and all these other people.
We've definitely had that before.Say whatever you want.
Okay.All right.I'm not worried about that.Well, I didn't want to get you in trouble.I have become totally convinced.By the way, I don't put cars on the table.I actually like to go to the casino.
I think casino gambling is really fun, but I think it's very important that I have to go to the casino, to a physical location.The stats right now on sports gambling, it's just like weed, all vices, disaster.
If you look at the amount of money that is being sucked out of people's pockets, it's horrible.So in September, in New Jersey alone, New Jersey bettors lost $200 million gambling online, in full online gambling.
They lost 400 million, they were gambling on sports and a total of 900 million in a single month of September, just if you include also casinos.
So you can see that almost half of the money that New Jersey bettors lost, by the way, Jersey's not that fucking big.So we just talked about a billion dollars that got sucked out of the market.People are addicted to sports gambling, man.
It's terrible.And the other thing is, if I studied, I went and I read a little bit about how casinos operate and casino profits, like the amount that they take is called the hold, like on a game.
And the hold for DraftKings, FanDuel, and all these others is way higher because traditional gamblers and casinos, they'll bet the money line or they'll bet the spread.
But these retards on sports gambling are buying and doing all these parlays that get algorithmically pushed.You have no fucking chance of winning your parlay.Sorry, sorry, you're not going to win your parlay.
Don't ask me, check the stats and look at the profits for where all these people are coming from.Mass sports gambling has been a fucking disaster.
You've seen domestic violence has gone up in the places where it is, bankruptcies are up, you're seeing a huge amount of credit card debt, 25% increase amongst the people where it is legal.
Actually, I just read an article about Brazil yesterday where basically it's a social transfer program where the government is cutting checks to working class people.Those people are gambling almost 40% of their paychecks away on a consistent basis.
So it's like a mass wealth transfer that's happening right now.And yeah, I mean, sadly, because you can do it online, just imagine if you could take your phone out and there was an app on your phone where you could drink alcohol.
Do you know how popular that app would be?Imagine, yeah. Yeah, well, we'll get to that next.We're going to come next.This is going to be the Killjoy podcast.But imagine if you could suck marijuana from an app that was out of your phone.
People would be addicted to that.Gambling is honestly worse.
than both of those.It's a double addiction, because the phone's addictive.Yes, exactly.And then you put addiction on top of an addictive device.
So you have algorithms, you have phones, and you have money that is now at stake.Every single state where this has happened has been an absolute nightmare.
And all you have to do, the thing is that the gambling companies, legally, they have to disclose all of this.So all you have to do is go and read their profit and loss statements and look how much of this is coming from the parlay bets.
It's the vast majority of their profits.And yet you idiots keep signing up for it.And I get that it's fun. But it's not funny whenever your wife is like, hey baby, can we buy these berries for our child?
And you're like, oh, I actually pissed it all away on a parlor last night.And now you have guys who are, you've seen this explosion and people are like, I'm gambling on women's softball in Korea.And I'm like, bro, you have a problem.
You have a problem. That's always been, people are like, that's a degenerate behavior.Literally, World Series, you're a degenerate.You're a degenerate, yeah.You are a degen, bro.
And this is my case.I think gambling should be legal.I think, but it should only mean casinos.Because one of my favorite parts about going to the casino is you meet the characters, right?
You go to the craps table and you see a guy who hasn't showered in three days and has got his colostomy bag on.And by the way, he will teach you how to roll the dice, and so shout out to that man. ever showing me how to do it.
But seeing him, I'm like, I don't ever want to be even in the same universe of whatever this dude is.But you can't see that when you're on the couch.You don't understand.You're the sucker.Last thing on this that I found out from Nate Silver's book,
is that if you are any good at sports gambling, you're banned.And so that's kind of fucked up.If you win consistently on DraftKings or on FanDuel, they will cap your bet size to like $2.They're like, Oh, you're allowed to bet $2 and 14 cents.
Yes.And then people are like, I'm actually really good at sports gambling.I'm like, Oh, how you been on the app?They're like three years.I'm like, you're not any good at sports gambling. I don't believe it would have panned Jurassic Park.
That's everywhere now.I'm like breaking even basically.
It's like, well, first of all, you need to win 52% of your bets just to beat the house because 2% is the vig that goes to the house.But then over that, it's like, look, you're not winning.
If you're still gambling consistently on the apps, you have not won and you're the sucker.You know what they should do?
An easy amendment to this that wouldn't be such a money suck is that when you lose your gambling money, it's held from you for six months.They get to make money on the interest and then they send it back to
See, that would be nice, but- You're momentarily penalized.I just read in New York- I mean, why would they do that?They would be like, fuck you.How about we keep all of it and make interest off it?
These guys are making the biggest killing in the planet.And the best part is all the states are doing it too because they want the money.
But the thing is, look, they're going to pay for it because it's one of those where you're getting this fake tax revenue.
But yeah, when you have to come and send cops to Johnny's house because he went fucking broke and he beat up his wife or his girlfriend or whatever, you're paying for that in the community.
Yeah, he's blowing off some steam.Right.
Parley goes down.He's going to house one of those plastic bottles of whiskey from Costco.And we all know what happens next.
It is weird that like when like is like when jobs are scarce like it just people does end up beating up girls like if there's not good stuff going on people like well I guess I have to beat up a girl now. It happens across like every culture.
It's every culture.Uh, actually a lot of people got mad at me on the show because I was talking about, it was during one of our immigration debates.I think you've talked about it a little bit actually on your show.
Uh, and uh, and I was just like, look, and by the way, just full disclosure, I married into an Irish family from Philadelphia.
So I, I, uh, I have no discrimination against the Irish, but what I'm saying is back in the day, uh, I think it was reasonable to be like, well, you know, all these people are coming over here and they drank a lot of whiskey.So nobody knows this.
The very first thing that women did whenever they voted was ban alcohol.That's why the temperance movement was entirely driven by women.
And the reason why is because they were getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by their drunk ass husbands who were drinking a liter of whiskey per day on average to deal with the industrial revolution and all this.
But it was also, let's be honest, it was part of their culture, right?And so that That's what people don't forget is like that for some reason it's intrinsic like alcohol gambling and beating the shit out of your wife It's it's just a package deal.
It's one big you are signing up for that.
You are a hundred percent Yeah, it's just impulses ruling the roost and then actually the curtain closes and you're like, right
Yeah, well, really what I think it is, is just somebody for the first time is showing the reality of what you've done.
Where you can rationalize your parlays away, you can rationalize all this, but the very first time, like I just said, we were like, hey, can we pave to go see, I don't know, like, I want to go see my mom next week or whatever.Can I get a flight?
And they're like, no, we literally don't have any money.
Yeah, and or the ultimate being like, I told you the Chiefs weren't going to kick a football game.
It well it is funny there is a huge because you know my whole I'm all like Irish Catholic doubt and it's like yeah like we seeing someone fall at a wedding I'm like man it's like it's so normal and like my wife would like cry like that's not really like that's so sad I'm like dude.
My in-laws and their family are not like that.People fall at weddings it is what it is.
I did see a really funny tweet like you know I left Dublin and I moved I forget where they moved like somewhere in South America or something.And they're like, and what I thought was we were all having a good time.
It turns out we're just crippling alcoholics.Yeah.
Yeah.Like family beach trips were just like adults hammered for seven days.And I'd just be like, all right.Then the kids would get hammered.They would pass out.
I had no exposure to it cause I grew up here.Uh, but yeah, I went to like, I think went to Rehoboth, which is like the nice beach.Right.But even then I'm like, man, these ladies are hammering Tito's at like 9am in the morning.
There's some crazy shit going down.
East Coast beach culture is like getting it's like quiet.That's not like as like cool like Margaritaville.It's just people just quietly, quietly DJ.My uncle would be like an old joke.They'd be like, man, who's going to crack the first one?
I don't give a shit.I'll do it.Just crack.Of course, like now they don't let you drink on the beaches like that.Really?Yeah.
They're taking a lot of people doing it.
Well, and they're doing in the solo cup.That's what I'm saying.They used to and they'll still come around and police you.I grew up going to Sea Isle and you do do just beers, whatever.Really?
Now it's like you have to have a cup and they'll come around if you have alcohol in your cup.They can just write you a fine because everyone's going to drink on the beach.Of course they are.
See, and this is where my nanny state instincts come in.I'm like, all right, well, fuck off.People are also on the beach and that's just a money grab.We need rules, but really what it is is we need a better culture around this stuff because
We just gotta acknowledge the downsides, right?That's all I'm asking.Everybody's asking like, sports gambling is the greatest thing ever, it's about freedom, you're gonna get, and look at their ads, right?
They're like, you're gonna get rich, you'll join, free $15.00.No, we'll give you $500.00 for five bucks.
Wait, wait, $5.00 for a $500.00 deposit.
I'm like, once again, bro, have you ever been to a casino?That shit doesn't get built based on winners.Like 99% of the people who walk out of there are fucking losers.The odds that it are you is almost 99%.
So I think the gambling companies would be happier doing this because they do do that little disclaimer like, by the way, guys, if you know, in case you.
Yeah, but that's mostly bullshit.And a lot of it is because they're required by the state to put it in there.And then what the states do is they take part of these losses and they fund these gambling.But it's like you are the receipt.
Look, the rise in sports gambling addiction has created the need for these gambling addiction centers.So it's like, just don't have it in the first place.
The weirdest part about gambling addiction is that it's not even about winning or losing.Like I forget, I read some book.They like when they lose.That's the craziest part.
They love it when they lose.
Or it's more like the flow state of just being like, it's not the winning or losing.It's just going from thing to thing.And you're just, your brain's totally focused on something.
I get it.I like it.I love to play Baccarat.
I don't like to gamble.I'm just filled with anxiety the whole time.
I love games of chance.I think I could justify poker because I wouldn't even really call it gambling, although it is technically kind of a game of chance.But there's a lot of strategy in that.
Obviously, like the famous rounders quote, it's like the same 10 people may end up at the finals for a reason.It's not a game of fucking chance.Whereas, If you go to Blackjack competitions or Baccarat competitions, you get lucky.That's how it works.
I see the appeal of both, but there is something.This is where I'll flip the script, man.The magic of the cards.When the Baccarat thing hits you, you're like, nine, nine, nine, nine.You're just sitting there.That moment, the anticipation.
And it's fun.And when you hit it, oh my God, it's so fun.
It's also, I play like $15 tables in Charlestown, West Virginia, next to toothless Chinese women who are getting their Chinese ash.I prefer, honestly, I'd rather be around them.I love them.Shout out to the, you always want to gamble with Chinese.
If you're playing Baccarat, Chinese and Vietnamese, they know what's up. That's a good idea.
And the less teeth they have, the more they're more good at the game.They are.They have all these superstitions about dragons and colors.
And that's the thing, though, man, because I was like sitting there one time backstage at a comedy show and they're like playing dice, like in the green room is like this little box.And I was like, it is just people interacting with magic.
People are tracking gambling.It's it's it's just it's magic, like a divine thing.
You're like, oh, and everybody craps is also definitely most fun in the game, the casino. although it is minus EV every single bet on the craps table.But when you play, the magic of it is it's a crowd's game.And I love craps gurus, right?
Like I was talking about the diabetic guy, and he's like, yeah, he threw it over here, threw it over here.It's like, the first time he throws to the right, he's gonna roll seven, which means we all get fucked.
So he was like, he's like, he about to roll that, take your bet off.And I was like, all right, got it, got it.He was right.And I was like, shit.
My only time playing craps, a guy was like, just do what I do.And I was up $1,300 very quickly.Holy shit, 1,300? Very quickly.And I was just playing higher stakes than I am.I was just drunk.It's fine.And then I got cocky.
I was like, I know what's going on.As soon as I started doing my own gods, I was back down to 600.I just picked it up.I was like, thank you, sir.And just walk.I was like, I'm fine.
You left up.That's, you know, I will do that.
I'm ruthless at a casino.If I win a hundred bucks, I'm out.I'm like, get me the fuck out of here.I just want a hundred bucks.It could be 200.That's to me.I'm like, I get so disgusted when I lose the feeling I get.
I think about them just like taking the time I spent into work and life, especially when I was just working a job where I was like, I could be like, oh, that was a day of my life.
And I would just think of that just getting sucked into a vault with just a huge chamber of money.To pay for free drinks for these fat alcoholics.
It would kill me sitting in the slot machine like No, it would fucking kill me the worst part is if I I don't really gamble much anymore But it was like when I first did it I was in Vegas for my cousin's bachelor party And he was like you know do this do that and I won the first four times I gambled I won every time was it blackjack
Oh, yeah, I'd win like a high variance game though.That's the problem.
I mean like so easily dude I'd win like $200 and I win 200 I just get right fuck out and I would spend all my code was every every dollar I won gambling I'd spend it on everyone around me immediately And it worked you gotta spread the love you gotta get you need the luck just exactly and then like I tipped the dealers heavily and then like I like was like I think I'm good at blackjack and I instantly lost like $700 so so fast dude.
Oh, yeah the fat 15 minutes, I was just out.
That's what they do, because it's a high variance game, and they know they can wipe you out way before you're going to wipe them out.So what they want to do is just deal all those hands per hour.
And already, Blackjack, I think Blackjack is a 51-49 game, I'm pretty sure, even with perfect.Were you playing basic strategy, like perfect? No idea what the fuck I was doing.
There was a guy, no idea, and there'd be guys like, dude, you got a hit, and I'm like, no.
Oh, yeah, I'm sure they get mad at you.
Actually, yeah, if you don't play basic strategy correctly, because if you fuck it up, you're going to fuck the whole shoe up for the entire table, and so they get very upset.
They were very displeased with me, but I was like, bro, this is not my bra, we're not on a team, you're not sharing your money with me.
Gamblers know this, this is gen pop shit.
Like, we ain't got this gen pop shit. I'd be like, dude, we're not on a fucking team.We're not splitting this money.This is my call.
No, but it is a team because if you fuck the math up and he's going to hit it, he's going to get the wrong card because he's playing math and you're not.And so that's what screws, but Dana White has a theory.Yeah.
Dana White is like, sometimes you got to go to war with the shoe and you got to, you got to, he's like, you got to turn basic strategy.I was like, I don't really think that's how math works, but I mean, he's super rich.He doesn't care.Yeah.
I heard he likes to gamble. Oh, he's heavily.
Me and my friends who like to go to the casino, we will hype ourselves up with Dana White clips.Yeah, yeah.It's just like, because he has, he has like a love of the game.Like he's like, he's like, you know, I'm rich as hell.
I can get on the jet and I can go anywhere else.If my kids are gone, I'm going to the casino. Yeah, he's just like that's what he's like.That's what I do.
It's what I do It's just scary once you're that rich you have to play with big sums to excite yourself He plays for millions like I think he he said his dream is to play 1 million dollars per hand on Baccarat a million Dollars a hand he said I think the highest he's gotten is like 300,000 to be fair one of the reasons they probably won't let him and that's one of the reasons I like Baccarat is Baccarat is an actual 50-50 as I thought I thought I said just like 0.05% so he actually pretty I mean
odds, but better than fucking Blackjack or any of these, especially Craps.Craps is a shit show.It's the most fun game in the casino, but every single one of the games, like I said, is minus EV.
You're almost certainly going to lose money whenever you play, especially in the long enough timeline.So if you do win, just get out of there.If you're up, if you have 100 and you won 200, get get the fuck out, like out immediately.
Same with roulette.Do not play triple zero roulette.That is the biggest scam in the entire casino.Which triple zero?So on roulette, if you could just bet black or red, the way that the house has its edge is in the old days, they had a green zero.
So after a while, the casino execs were like, What if we had two zeros?
We're like maybe these idiots in Vegas and you know people are drunk and they're like, oh, there's only two zeros I don't even think about the zero the math goes from like 49 percent or whatever to like The house edge goes from like one or two percent to like seven percent and then after a while They couldn't add three zeros.
So they added like whatever the casino.No, they had a third one So they go zero, then double zero, and then they have like the MGM logo on the wheel.So now the edge is like 11%.
I thought you were saying they added one zero, one zero, and then a third, but it was a double zero.No, no.
So there's a zero, then there's a double zero, and then there'll be, so like MGM or Caesars or whatever.
You're just pissing your money away.Like people, you know, there's the meme.It's like, if you win, you're like, put it all in black or whatever.Well, check the zeros, because if there's triple zero, you're fucked.All right?
Dude, that's the you know what I've done though with with a poker or not poker The last couple times I've been in a casino environment for like stand-up or something a lot of times they give you chips There's something I've had fun.
Yeah, they'll give you a couple just let me know the dates I'll give you like a hundred bucks.I'll give you like a hundred dollars.Yeah, you can break that down Turn it into a 150
Dude, what I started doing is when they give me chips, I put it on, I go to roulette or blackjack, I put it all on one hand and if it wins, I give it to the dealer and say, here you go.I love that.That's very nice.
And if I lose, I go, hey man, you know, whatever.It feels good.
That does, yeah.I mean, dude, you know the people they have to deal with.Like, what a shitty job.I'm sure they make a lot of money, at least some of them, probably the good ones, but oh god, I can't imagine.
You're dealing with the absolute like dregs of humanity.
Especially like at you know at their worst like fucking up and like well I hate that too when people get mad at the dealers, and they're like it's your fault.
I know that guy sucks I'm just like dude fuck you, but then you also don't really want to do anything because you're like this guy's kind of crazy I'm not gonna be a whole white knight.
You put your hands on maybe but like, you know up until now you're like, can we get security over here?
Yeah, dude, it's it's a I've never got bit by the gambling bug man.I tried to be a bookie for a while I tried and it was just like yeah, but how where were you getting your lines from?
I know I it was like my friend knew another but it was like a sub bookie thing where I was like sending them Kind of just bats, but it was my job to like collect them all Friends and then what about when they don't pay so here's what happened they were like I don't watch sports like that so I didn't know what the fuck was going on so they were just if they lost they would call my and they I like there was leave me voicemails all weekend being like put another one put it and they just kept doubling down doubling down doubling down and
And then eventually, like, some of my friends owed me money.And I just got to the point where I was like, I'm not taking your money for this.And I just, like, told the guy, I was like, I'm not doing this anymore.I just felt bad.
Like, if you, like, sell something to somebody, that's like, yes, you gave me that.But to be like, yo, the Bears lost, you owe me $250, which is, I was like... And you actually have to collect it, too.
Yeah, and I was like, I don't want to do... Yeah, exactly.That's the big thing, man.
I don't know, yeah, I mean, East Coast sports gambling culture has always been there.
I don't know, I mean, I grew up here, I don't remember thinking or hearing like other parents, I guess I grew up in a Bible Belt area, so they wouldn't be doing it, but I don't remember a lot of money changing hands on college football, but now these days, college football is actually even more where the action is.
Because apparently it's like there's the mismatches or whatever, there's like underdogs and, you know, for somebody who hates gambling, I know way too much about gambling.
You don't know a lot about weed though.I don't know a lot about the experience of weed.Have you ever smoked weed?I think I smoked weed when I was very drunk when I was in college once.And that's pretty much it.
That makes sense.That's fair.What'd you blaze?
I don't know.I don't know.I mean, it's like, dude, you're at a party.
Somebody passes you whatever.It probably was fake.It was probably, like, not even marijuana.It was, like, somebody's grass that he had boughten off of somebody else and got ripped off.
Well, dude, the K2 is big in prison.That's, like, the stuff you're doing with Spice.I know.And that fucks people.I have friends that are, like... I know.
Yes.Yeah.I think these guys, you know, they'll do anything, like speedballs and shit.And I have friends that are, like, bro, the K2 is fucked up.Really?
You're in jail, you're in like a county jail, and you just blaze K2 and have like an absolutely satanic experience.He's like, dude, it's for real, like terrifying.
I think I saw some videos about that.For some reason, my YouTube feed has been pushing me a lot of prison content.That's good.You can go down a serious rabbit hole.
Prison tube.Shout out to Johnny Mitchell, by the way, The Connect. You should have him on your show, actually.What does he do?He's a comedian.
He's like 6'7", but he does this show called The Connect, where he interviews—when he went to jail as a weed dealer.And he interviews other people who were drug dealers and then also talks about their prison experience.So I actually did his show.
He's an interesting—he actually likes politics, that's why. We talked a little bit, but some of his content is really good.
He interviews like, you know, like high level drug kingpins.
And he'll be like, tell me about the story.But then also like, what was it like to be in federal prison or whatever?
I just finished a book about an LSD dealer who got caught in the early 90s.So he got sentenced for like 20 years.
for it never even got caught with acid it was just all he was doing Western conspiracy yeah exactly got a conspiracy charge 20 years and it was during he was in jail during the race riot like the crack laws sure and he had a altercation with the lieutenant like one of the guards and he was a white guy and when the crack riots happened it was
more it was just black inmates having riots or doing riots and the lieutenant was like he was he incited the riot sent him to fucking Marion which is like a super max and he had to do like I think like three years in Marion or he ended up only doing five years out of the 20 years right well I think everyone likes prison content because it's like what would I do
Exactly, exactly.I thought about that too.I'm like, well, I'm not white, not black, not Hispanic, and everything's racial in prison.
You're another.You'd be another.You're another.
That's what it's called.But how many others are there?
The other Indians in prison are going to be like doctors for Medicare fraud.You know, they're like, hello, doc.
I think it's called others.It's like Inuit, Indian.Inuit?
Actually, they're probably pretty good, right?They can fight.
Exactly.Pretty jacked.Your numbers are not great.
So, yeah, I think it's like I did.I got so deep into prison shit, but it's like, yeah.
So then my what was your strategy?My strategy would be getting my parents put money on my books.
And then we pay the others for protection.
That's the big thing you can do.My plan was always to pay the Muslim Brotherhood.Oh, so you can pay the Muslim Brotherhood to protect.But then it's like, yeah, it is like racial.
But I could fake it and I could just grow my beard and say that I was Muslim.
Yeah.You get a good you get the Muslim diet, too. You have to answer a few questions.The halal food is better?Yeah, people do the kosher diet.That's a big thing.Really?
If you can prove like you're Jewish and you're allowed to switch your religion every like six months or so to get a different diet.
I swear to God.I read that Ramzi Youssef, who was the World Trade Center bomber, the 93 bomber, he apparently stayed in his cell for like 10 years straight whenever, because he refused to do a strip search because he said it violated his religion.
But then apparently he was like, OK, I'm now converted to Christianity. But apparently the warden and all of them don't believe him.
So it's set up for, I don't really know what's going on, but I think he has started to like, he's finally left his cell after 13 years to go.He's a Christian now.Well, he claims he's Christian.
Are they going to scope out his butthole or like, he's like, all right, I'm ready.Well, I think you have to do that thing where you, with the squat and cough or whatever.He refused to do it.He was like, I won't do it.
So he literally, and man, he did not leave his, his cell in Supermax in ADX Florence or whatever for like 13 years.Like it was totally crazy. Fine after 13 years.He's like I think bro.Yeah, I mean, it's understandable.
It's like you spent 13 years You literally haven't you have never laughed you're like, okay, that's so impressive I would make 13 minutes and I'm like, you know, I'm gonna show this guy my ass You know, they say they sleep a lot.
That was the interesting.
That's a baby You can train yourself to sleep 12 hours a day, but it's like what do you do all day?you know, even when you're awake like Sounds you work out sleep a lot and in your cell.
Yeah, just right.Yeah, and it's the guy in the book I read about the LSD dealer Joel Blazer He was saying like he got schooled on like masturbation techniques.Whoa.Yeah, like just nothing nothing hands-on You know, he said he'd never was a punk.
That was his term a punk.I But he was like going into it how like you like use a sock and you flip it inside out So you're hitting like more the soft area and then at the very end He said you'd apply force to the under part of your head.
He's like and it's so funny him writing It's like my orgasms were intense and powerful when it's like this.
Yeah, but I mean that's always did you watch the show?Escape at Dannemora It's in it's on Netflix.It's really good.It was created by Ben Ben Stiller and And it's Benicio, and then the guy from There Will Be Blood, the guy who's the twins.
Anyway, Paul Dano, that's his name.And so those two are inmates who basically sweet-talk this woman, this obese prison worker, and then they both start a relationship with her.
and they get her to smuggle in tools and then they literally tunnel out of the prison.It's a real life story.It happened in 2015.So I watched the show.It was a fantastic, really good acting.And then I went and read the real story.Dude, it was wild.
They're both in there for murder.One guy literally murdered a police officer.The other guy butchered and kidnapped an old man for money.These are like no shit killers locked up in this high security prison in, I think it
I think it was in North New York, like, you know, upstate New York?Like the Adirondacks, yeah, up there.Yeah, it was in the Adirondacks.
And, uh, yeah, so they were up there and they were able to get her to smuggle in, like, hacksaw blades.
They cut their way out of their cells, were able to make their way, like, through the pipes and everything, use a sledgehammer, hammer through multiple walls, and then cut a hole in a drainpipe or whatever, crawl through the pipe, come up out on the other side, crawl through a manhole, and they were on the run for, like, 23 days.
One guy almost made it to Canada.They shot him, like, 10 miles from the Canadian border.Yeah, one guy was killed.The other guy, sorry, spoiler alert.What year was this?What?
Yeah, dude, it was like- They shot him at the, well, I guess, yeah, if he's that high profile.
Well, they were, a trooper was like, hey, who are you?And he just took off running.And the other guy apparently was a drunk, and they would find hunting cabins, and he would just be like, all right, and just grabbing whiskey.He was like a bear?
Yeah, he's barely, he's like a bear.That's a good way of putting it. He's like, we need the pill.He was just walking around.Yeah.So that the other guy left him.He was like, fuck this dude.He's like turned into a drunk.He's never going to make it.
And then he got, he got killed.And then the other guy actually almost made it to Canada.Yeah.I know.He almost, I, the weird part of the show is, uh, it's structured really well.The first like six episodes, you're really rooting for the prisoners.
And then before you get to the last episode, they do a flashback. that shows what they did.And you're like, wait, fuck these guys.Like, this is terrible.
Cause you don't know what they're in there for, you know, they're in prison, but then they're like, Oh, he literally murdered a cop.
And then the other guy like kidnapped this man and tried to extort money from him and fucking like butchered him and cut him up into little pieces.
You're like his parlays didn't work.I'm like, we gotta get this guy out of here.Like, this is not good.
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Yeah, the prison culture shit is like fascinating, man.Absolutely.I've won.I like almost.
I'm glad I'm going to go, but I kind of was like, damn, I kind of wish like how much weight were you moving then when you were selling marijuana?Decent amount.Like like pounds.
I could have gone.You actually could have done a good deal in Philly.
It was like you could have five pounds and you wouldn't really you would like get locked up, but you wouldn't do like a sentence at a certain point.But. That's what I've heard.
But like before, though, like in the scene, like the 2000s, it started getting more lax, more lax, more lax.By the end of it, nobody was going to jail for weed.
Even like the cops would find a half pound of weed on you and just Christ and just take it like the fuck out of here.
How does it all work, though?Like in terms not the cost.So were you selling to other dealer because you had enough?
Yeah, eventually it was like I do both.You would like you would get like like the way it would work is you'd have to like I remember I, like, saved all my money so hard and I eventually saved up $1,600 and I bought a half pound.
And then I got to, like, actually make money off of it.And then eventually I started, you just get it fronted to you, you, like, find somebody, they would front me, like, 30 pounds of weed.
Yeah, that is the interesting thing I read from Johnny's podcast is, like, there's a lot of consignment.A lot of consignment.
In the drug business.And then double consignment.I would get something fronted and double consign it to other people.And then you have to kind of, like, Well, what if he doesn't pay you?And then you got to pay the guy.
You tell them, hey man, I'm falling on tough times.That's the thing.
It's like, you're never supposed to meet that person, like the top level person, because they want to keep like an air of like, because they're going to tell the guy, like you tell him, I'm like, I'm a fucking murderer.But I met the guy.Really?
You know, wasn't it?Were you ever physically threatened?Did you ever see weapons?I got robbed at gunpoint.Yeah.Really?Oh, yeah.What was that like?What happened? It was surreal.It was like, so I got I got I got threatened with a club one time.
That's embarrassing.I gave in to the club just outside.This guy was like, I want to fucking hit you with this.And I was like, what kind of club, like a handmade wooden, just a fucking like a 1920s police officer baton.
He's like, but I was in West Philly, like trying to do the right thing.
And it was like seven guys around me.And I was like, seriously, guys, we're in Percocet.And they're like, dude, we'll fucking bash your brains in.I was like, all right, you guys can keep the $200.You win.You win this round.
Um, but yeah, it was that, and then I had a guy one time, he got robbed, and blamed it on me.
I think he just took my money, but he came out, like, we were in an apartment, he was like, something's gotta, he like cocked a gun, and walked towards me, and I was like, oh shit.That time, it was just like, everything just goes super slow.
I remember us being like, very slow, terrified too.People were like, dude, if someone pulled a gun on me, I'd fight.It's like, I was frozen, totally frozen.
Yeah, it's fight or flight, yeah.
Exactly.Second time, I... You got robbed twice.Oh, well that time, I got like, Had already I like paid this guy money to go get something and bring it to me He's like I got robbed after you gave me the money and I was like bro.
It's fine I like yeah, it's like it's all good, man He's like nah, man.This is fucked up, and he just fucking like cocked a gun like walked as he was like did you do it?I was like How the fuck did I what are you talking about?Oh like you?Set him up.
I was like why would I do that?
whatever but that was the whole thing and then the second time I was in an apartment and it was like someone had owed me a bunch of money and I was bringing them more stuff so I had like the money they owed me and like about four pounds of weed and there he was gonna give it to some other guy and this just dude comes up in a ski mask with the kid who was like supposedly his customer and the kid set it all up but that one I was like
I remember everything slowed down again, but I was able to read their faces, and the kid I knew was very much afraid, and the other kid, I was like, he's pretending to be afraid.
And then once the guy with the ski mask left with all the money and stuff, I was like, you did that.Did you beat him up?I started choking him.Good.Pretty badly.And then the kid I knew was like, stop! I was like a blind rage.
Oh, yeah, you're almost you have like a gun in your face.You're terrified.That's horrified I was just fucking just holding this kid's neck like I know you fucking did that and the kids like stop like thank God I was like, okay.
Yeah, you know, but I don't I don't think I wasn't a violent like that though I was never that was the only time it was all it was like almost all my money
That's crazy, man.How did you get out of this?What got you out of it?
I wasn't on Percocets, I was selling them.Oh, you were selling Percocets.I was never really a vice-ridden man.Porn, obviously, has been my downfall.
So you were a true leech on society.
You honestly should have gotten to prison, I'm not gonna lie.I think you owe three years of your life to the state.
I think I should, actually.But now I do service through a high-paid podcast.
That's true.Yeah, that's right.You're doing a service.
But I do, I honestly, it's not like a sexy tale, because yeah, usually you have the redemptive arc of like, I got caught, but I was always I was pretty principled.I remember I was like, pills are evil.I didn't know anything about them.
I'm like, oh, these are very addictive.Coke, I was like, this stuff's no good either.But weed, there was a thing where it was like, this is good for people.Because I was smoking so much of it.I was like, weed is good for people.
I was like, people need weed.It's good for you.I thought it was good for me.I was obviously killing it in life.Fighting people for Percocets.People need me more like you.
If you smoke weed, you can also end up in West Philadelphia with a club in your face.
That was for bills.Weed was chill.I was high forever.I remember I tried to start a policy where with every customer I would smoke a blunt with them and I ended up smoking like nine blunts.And it was just completely... How do you function?I didn't.
So do you still smoke a lot?You said no.
No.Now it's like very... I honestly try to... There was a big impulsive element of it, but now I've been trying to do it where I've tried to do this for years, where I almost incorporated it into a meditation practice.
But then you get into it, you're like, well, why do I even need that if I meditate?So now it's like... special occasions.
How much better did your sleep get?
So much better.That's the thing with weed.You don't, you can even say like, well, I'm sleeping better, but your REM sleep is trashed.
Thank you.That's what I was about to bring up.It's totally true.
There's a lot of people, there's a big psy-op by the weed guys who are like, oh, you smoke a bowl right before bed.And it's like, actually you're nuking your REM sleep.
It's like people, you know, when you get on an airplane and people are like, just going to have a glass of wine. just to go to bed.And I'm like, actually, you're way shittier sleep.
It's like you're actually not sleeping at all.Nobody wants to hear my conscious, but nobody wants to hear us.
I tell people all the time.It's like the weed does fuck up your REM sleep.You don't dream.You don't dream.You don't dream.And everyone knows when I stopped smoking weed, I have crazy dreams like that's because your REM rebounding.Interesting.
Same as alcohol.Oh, dude, it's yeah.It's like I. I was completely like, um, when I was younger, because also I was making a living off it.I'm like, weed is awesome.This stuff rules.Everybody needs this stuff.
Everyone needs to be selling this stuff under me.That's what happens with heroin, though.Heroin, if you're using heroin, you try to convince people to do heroin because you want to start selling it to them so then you don't have to pay.
Really, it's very, that's kind of, yes, it's very, very evil.And you're like, you're like one to inject them too. Yeah, I remember someone explained that to me, and I was like someone offered me to sell heroin.I said no I said no.
Thank you, sir Heroin's evil the pills are evil, but no one knew what the fuck they were yeah I came out of it.I got a it's Percocet the same as oxycodone oxycodone Yes, Percocet is oxycodone mixed with a cement of Tylenol basically, okay?
So oxycodone and oxycodone and Percocet are the same thing that is it the same strength is that correct?
What was the whole like pill thing in the 2000s then?So it was oxycontin, right?Or oxycontin.
It was all of them.It was Percocets.Um, there's a bunch of them.It's, uh, Vicodin.Vicodin was, uh, hydro something.Hydrocodone.That's right.That's Vicodin.Vicodins were less desirable.If you had Vicodins, people were like, fine.
But Percocets, people wanted them.And then the oxys came out, which was just like five milligram Percocet, 10 milliliter, you know, whatever it was.Oxy would have been like 40,
Yeah, it was like 80, right?I read a book about it, and I remember I watched some documentary about the Sackler family.That shit is evil, man.
In terms of the cash programs and those pill mills, and they had total knowledge.That's really what led to the heroin spike, all the black tar heroin and everything.
Big time, dude.Because these people had no idea what they were taking.It wasn't just the Sacklers.It was every doctor in the country.Absolutely. I would give a sore throat from my college campus than they do on Percocets.And I'm like, no.Yeah.
But I when I was like 19 or 18 and I got my wisdom teeth out and my friend was like, bro, I'll pay you.He's like, you'll get you get pills.I'll buy them off you.And I'm like, I'll give you two hundred dollars.I'm like, I was like, for sure.
I hate medicine.You can have my medicine.And dude, and it was like, I remember coming out of my wisdom teeth in a haze, but remembering, I asked them, I was like, what am I going to get?And they were like, oh, we're just going to give you ibuprofen.
I was like, I'm a real baby with pain.Is there anything else I can have?"They're like, yeah, we'll give you like, I think it was like Percocets or Hydrocodone.And they just gave me a full vial.
And that's, that was the whole thing that set the whole thing off because I made $200 off of it.And then once I went to college, I was like, I got to find more of those things.And my friend was like, yo, these things are awesome.So I didn't do them.
Interesting.And then I watched, dude, I watched firsthand a whole, there was like this apartment complex.At a certain time I was getting, I ended up finding like, I would get like 2,500 Vicodin at a time.
And I remember my friend would bring them into this apartment complex, and they'd all get distributed throughout there.And dude, I watched this whole little ecosystem of people degenerate.That's when I was like, oh.
I'm like 19, 20 at the time, and I was like, this is fucking bad.No, it's bad.
Yeah, the pills man that should go to jail dude.I'm such a piece of shit.
You just gotta give back to society I do I do I do I'm telling you that's my I'm all service now.I'm all service all right.I'm wildly overpaid, but That's all it did for real though the thing is is like and I this is why I like um oh
I've been researching the world religions a lot.There's a really good book called the religions, the world's religions by Houston Smith.
And he goes into like the connective tissue between like Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, you know, everything else, Islam.And, um, I, I do like growing up in a Christian like environment.It was, they don't sell it very well to young people.
It's like, this sucks.I'm not, it's like, it's just a bunch of shit you got to take on face value.I started researching Hinduism when I was like, It's a classic stoner move, just be like so high and be like, oh dude.
There's nothing more annoying than white guys who are in heels.I know.Than George Harrison wannabes.Just like, fuck off.In India, they literally laugh at you.They're like, yeah, we'll take your money, but I'm not sure.I know.
But it is a beautiful religion.
It's a very, and it was like for me, that was, it gave me a concept of God from researching it from that angle.And I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense.Good. But I like their relationship with pleasure from what I've read.It's not as forbidden.
It's like, yeah, if you want pleasure, go get it until you're tired of it, or is it?Kind of.
Well, it's hard to say, man, because even calling Hinduism a religion, obviously it is a religion, but it is intrinsic to the land of India, and I'm really convinced of that. As in, like, the practice of Hinduism, like, you don't go on Sunday.
You just have temples everywhere.People stop on their way and off from work, like, at the end of the day for special occasions, for little stuff, like, you'll go and you'll ask a blessing.
It's not in the—the Abrahamic faiths require, like, rigid practice, and this is much more like a part of daily life.So religion itself doesn't, like, say yes or no or whatever about, I don't know, pleasure, hard work.
It doesn't, like, prescribe rules. the Indian culture definitely also plays a huge part of it.So I'm not really convinced.That's why I think Buddhism is a religion.
I think that actually is a religion, and that's one that can transpose into Western society or whatever.But Hinduism, you really gotta be in India if you wanna be a real Hindu, I think.
or at least practice it in the way that it's meant to be practiced.You can try, obviously, and everybody can do their own thing, but there's a huge amount of people who are Hindus who are atheists.They don't even believe in God.
It's more, you're saying it's more of a cultural practice?
It's part of the Indian culture.When you're there, it just makes sense.That's how people practice their lives.Each village has its own deity.
There's a certain type of blessing, or they call it a puja, which is a ceremony, which is the type of puja that you would do for this milestone in your life,
whatever, whereas like Abrahamic faiths is like on Sunday or on Friday, we pray, we pray five times a day and we do it at this time and the, you know, the whatever, the chant of the prayer and the meat that we eat is like this, where, you know, even amongst Hindus, like 40% of Hindus are vegetarian, but 60% are not.
So, you know, there's no yes and no on life or on how to live.Like, it's just very much, yeah, part of the culture over 8,000, 9,000 years.
Yeah, it is such a funny stoner move, though, to be like, dude, I think I'm- It's so- Use two mushrooms, dude, I think I'm- And yoga.
It's like girls who are into yoga, it's like, shut the fuck- They're like, my shivasana, and we're like, ugh.
Yeah, that is tough.When you start, you know, like four Sanskrit words, and you're like, my suka.Yes.
Or the Om tattoos, you're just like, spare me, man.I will say, dude, I will say, though, from just like a- Isn't that a Hindu deity?It kind of looks like it. What do you got going on over there?Yeah, that is.That's Sanskrit.
That's Sanskrit down there.
I can't read it.Oh, this?No, this is actually English.Dude, this was a shirt I designed to try to sell as merch, and it's a very low seller.
Yeah, dude, I do think, though, there's something religiously, let's just say in the United States, it's like Christianity is, it's cool, it's getting a resurgence.
Statistically, no.Yeah, I guess maybe that's just the internet memes.
I'm thinking of- Yeah, I think you're thinking of TradWife.
I'm thinking of TradWife.
If you take a look at the stats, Christianity is never- I mean, not Christianity, religion.We have never lived in a more secular country.
Honestly, even coming back here is shocking.Like, to Texas in the modern- I mean, I literally grew up here.This was a deep Bible Belt state.That's what I remember.
And to watch it become like, cosmopolitan is weird, honestly.
Even when I go back to College Station, I mean, I don't know, I guess I just don't feel the same, I don't live there anymore, it's just kind of different, but it doesn't just feel the way that it did back then.
And in general, stats-wise, evangelism, Catholicism, all practicing religions and the rise of people who just call themselves spiritual or whatever, it's never been higher.
And that's really, I mean, the right-wing trad people are the ones who blame that for where we are.But honestly, kind of to make it political, I think that's why Trump is the first, like, real secular president.
Like, everybody knows that Trump is not- He loves the Bible.
What are you talking about?He loves the Bible.
Yeah, but it's like, yeah, he loves it so much that he sells a copy.But, you know, 30% of the people who voted for Trump are literally pro-choice.Like, over 30%.That's crazy, right?If you think about it in terms of the abortion election.
And all that so the mass secularization of America has made being conservative like just so though the Texas I grew up and George W Bush was literally my governor.Yeah that type of you know conservatism.It's fucking gone Oh, yeah for sure for sure.
I think they're old by to bring back to my main point.I think the I do think like there's a lot of people who have left organized religion who are going towards kind of spiritualism.
But now everyone has a very I think now it's like everyone has a very strange relationship.If people are trying to like practice some form of like God in their life.
I, I do feel like researching other religions helps people kind of like conceptualize it.Cause you're like, yeah, I'm not going to do this, but you can read that and like, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
And then even then, I mean, I could defend, what are your stances on that?
What religion, religion, God, God, God, I'm not religious at all.
Um, I mean, I grew up around here and so I still have a very like side eye view of a lot of the Bible belt stuff.Um, but I, I think it's good for people now that I've been removed from it for quite a long time.
It's like the South Park episode about Mormonism.We're like, look, this is some batshit crazy stuff.But the truth is, they're living a better life than you.Maybe we're the crazy ones, right?
They're the ones who believe in planet Kolob or whatever, but they have nine children.They're really happy.They help each other.The Mormon church has no debt. Make sure that you get very cheap education at BYU.
If you stay in the faith, they take care of you.They take care of each other.I grew up around a lot of Mormons.They're some of the happiest people I know.They have multiple children.They settled well.They seem like they're doing really well in life.
They have a big community aspect where you always have just dozens of people who share your values, who are around. who if you're out of town, somebody can come watch your pets or if you need help with your kids or whatever.
So like they're the winners in life, man.Like that's that's that's what people need to take away.
That's that's my yeah.That's my question is like that's what I'm what I've been trying to read about and like think about a lot is like what is the grounding force for like people's lives?And if it dissipates into like.
If there is no, that's like what religion has been forever.
And now people are, the antidepressants and all that, people are now like, you have to like back up the molecules in your brain because you're sad because your worldview is inherently kind of bleak.
Very, very well said.And also, I mean, like wokeism, quote unquote, is a religion.Or being anti-woke is also a religion.Politics is a religion.
Religion will find a way in its life whether you find religion or not.
The thing is about it is, what I would advocate for is that I think especially in big cities and like in elite circles, there's a real sneering at religion, but they don't look at it in the way that I just said, where it's doing quite a lot of good for people who are in the faith and the community.
So for me, I'm just like, look, do whatever you wanna do.And actually having lived all my entire adult life in mass secular America, we have a lot of problems.The gathering place of the secular American is the bar.It shouldn't be.
That's weird, actually.Waiting until you're in your mid-30s to even try to start having children, and then by that time, I don't know.
There's a lot of choices.There's just choices that you make that make it all about you.
And one of the things that are really important about religion is like, actually, no, it's not about you.It's about other people.
And so by doing that and by choosing the secular elite path, you are literally pursuing something that is just all about you.
It's about the pursuit of your own pleasure, about your own money, about all of this, but it will strip away any of the great things in life that will genuinely make you happy.
So if you're not religious, then you have to actually consciously seek that out. And I tell you this, you have children now, right?
It's probably harder to connect and find groups of other parents, whereas if you grew up in Texas in the 90s and you went to church, that's dusted, bro.Day one, it's sold.
Someone will be at your house when your wife gives birth, they will have food waiting in your house.But if you don't have that type of community, that's really hard.
That number of people, actually there's a really interesting American Family Studies study that shows that the number of friends, particularly among men, the number of like male friends that people have has an all time low.
I think the record number is actually in the zero to one category of people who consider themselves like close friends.
And so if you think about it, like in that community aspect, people are lonelier than ever, they're having difficulty really finding a mate. They're really having problems in terms of fostering close friendships, so they're doing what?
Betting parlays on gambling.They just want to feel something.
They're stimulating the brain.
Yeah, that is sad.That's my problem, is like there needs to be some sort of cohesive organizing force, and most of them are negative, where it's like, you know, again, it's like fucking, you know, Proud Boys, all that.
And it's not even like, you know, A lot of it, I think, does come down to the media, because it's like, you know, it's like you don't have to take your worldview or your life prescriptive path of the media, but it's like they are experts.
They are this.And it is looked upon as like this is an authoritative source of information.Yeah.And it's just mean like everything you see is just like he's a fuck you.This guy is such a loser.Let me tell you about this guy.It's on both sides.
I think that's bad for people mentally.
Well, definitely.But I will give that some that's a bit cope also because people blame the media.It's like, look, that's what you want.People want. Like at a certain point, like it's true.
I could be so much more successful, wealthy, and famous if I just did that.I actually am actively giving up a lot of that.
That's what I'm saying.That's what I'm saying.
No, I know, but that's a choice that I'm making.But the truth is, is that that is what most people want.Most people want to fulfill their base instincts.They want to have that, you know, that dopamine rush of saying, yeah,
I mean, honestly, Shane's bit about the Fox News dad.I mean, I actually, the first time I met him, I was like, you know, that really is like one of the, probably one of the most important bits you've ever done because it's deeply true.
It's in the vernacular now.
People will say, I have a Fox News dad.
It is a deeply true, like it's a bit, it's a comedy bit, but that is like an archetype and, and something that really does exist like in, in American society.
And I would flip it and say there are also MSNBC moms out there who are just as bad on wine moms and all that.But it is a cancer on American society.But honestly, that's what they want.
I was talking with Alex yesterday and I brought up one of my favorite media quotes and it's from a book called The Loudest Voice in the Room.It's a biography of Roger Ailes, who was the chairman of Fox News and the creator.
And he said, people want to be informed.People don't want to be informed.They want to feel informed.And I think that is like the most deeply true thing about media that I've ever read.
Yeah, that's true.I guess what I'm saying is like, It's just bad.
It's like it's bad because it's like it's like you're saying there's a financial incentive to be like a major dickhead, which when I when I first saw reality TV, I was like, this is bad.This is going this is creating a pathway.Right.
But it's being just a absolute.
It's so good.It's so good.That was bad for America.
If you were smoking weed back then, you'd have been like, what the fuck? Fuck, dude, this is so fucked up.I remember I was just high watching reality TV.Like, this is modeling a type of behavior that also pays off genuinely.Narcissism.
Which taps into people's, you know, own, like, biological drives.And I was like, this is not good, because that's what's being modeled.That's what you're pushed unconsciously to do.
And like you were saying, like, dude, if you wanted to, like, really double down, anyone, anyone can do it.Hang a couple American flags back here and be like, let me tell you something, motherfucking... I get so annoyed.
I'll be like, you're a grifter or whatever.
I'm like, bitch, I'm like, I could make way more money.
If I wanted to grift, I would grift you, you bitch.
If I just sat there and be like, look at these liberal tears that are flowing from their faces.
I'm telling you, all the channels, you put an American flag behind you, you sell your merch hat, and it's just like... Especially for me, brown guy.
Be like, brown guy. He loves Trump and all this stuff.I know, I know, I know, dude.So poor.The problem is that I get bored, man.I find those people so utterly boring that I have no interest in even talking to them.
It's embarrassing.Yeah, it is humiliating.But you could make a lot of money.I have a shit ton of money.Absolutely.Especially if you're a black guy that's at the top of the market.If you're a black guy with a red hat, let me tell you something.
It's like... You'll be famous overnight.MAGA memes will be sending you five bucks a month and being like, have you seen this nice young man?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I do hope we can somehow move to something that animates people.Do you think people will ever be animated other than their base instincts by the masses, or do you think there will be an actual... Gen pop?
No.Gen pop will always be the same.
Yeah, look, America, society, the rise of mass media has always looked exactly the same.People think it's worse now than it ever was.Total bullshit. If you go back and you look at the yellow journalism era, it was insane.
People were slamming each other.I mean, imagine this.America's news in the 1800s was literally political.When you would read the news, you would read the Kentucky Democrat, or you would read the Kansas City Republican.
Your literal newspaper was the party that you supported.And one of the ways that people would
get interested and instigate politics as socialists and others to be like, we're starting a socialist newspaper because the news itself was a political vector.That's crazy.
I didn't know that.Oh yeah.I was totally bought into like, dude, it's never been this bad.
Absolutely not.It's bullshit.So like,
The thing is is that in the old days, the rise of yellow journalism, of the penny papers, people like William Randolph Hearst and others, and before him, like Joseph Gordon Bennett, it was all sensationalism, tabloid, that's where it all comes from.
And that was overwhelmingly popular.What happened is is that the old days that we romanticize is actually a very unique time in American history, where the vast majority of Americans were getting their news from the network TV.
So in the 60s and the 70s, everybody romanticizes Walter Cronkite, all this stuff. Let me tell you something.The news was just as fake back then as it is today.
It's just that, thank God we have the internet to be like, no, no, no, no, it's fake and it's bullshit.Because so I book, it's a slog, but people should read it.It's called personal history by Catherine Graham.She ran the Washington post.
She was the owner of it and her father bought the paper and then her son is the one who sold it to Jeff Bezos.But so she ran the paper for basically her entire life. Her husband ran it, then he committed suicide.She took over and ran it for decades.
And if you read that paper, actually, if you've ever watched the movie, The Post, it's directed by Steven Spielberg with Tom Hanks, and it's about the Pentagon Papers.Meryl Streep plays her in the movie.
And it's really, like, when reading that book, you're like, you know, she's getting politicking with, Kennedy is at dinner, and he's, like, giving them advice on how to write in the paper, and her husband, who was the owner of The Post, is friends with JFK, and he's skewing the coverage in a certain way.
Everyone has this romantic nature about the 60s and Cronkite.It's like, no, they were just as partisan as people are today, as Rachel Maddow and these people.But America didn't know.They had much more higher institutional trust.
And cable news exploded that, obviously, after the network era, and then the rise of blogs and everything.But people were really romanticized this, oh, the news was fair and balanced.It's like, no, it's not.The news is what got us into Vietnam.
It's like, no. It wasn't fair and balanced.These people were writing columns and justifying all this bullshit.They knew what was happening.They didn't report any of it.It was only in like, what, 1968, we finally tell everybody the truth.
By that time, 500,000 Americans are sitting in Vietnam.
JFK, we used to go and hang out, and all of his secretaries, McNamara and all these guys, were hanging out in Georgetown, which is a very rich neighborhood, at their fancy-ass mansions, secretly telling them what they should write in their papers.
Like, dude, It's always been like as corrupt.People just didn't know it.
I feel like Trump did kind of crack the, he like parted the veil to be like, yo, this is actually, a lot of this is bullshit.
The roots of Trump are in, there's a famous clip, 2012, Newt Gingrich was the Republican debate, South Carolina debate, and the opening question, even I will admit it's a crazy question,
uh, they were like, Mr. Gingrich, uh, your wife, he like, I don't know the circumstances.He's on his third wife and he like divorced his wife.I think she was going through cancer or something like, Oh, it was terrible.
It was bad.And it was the second time that he'd done something like that.Anyway.So like, that was the opening question.And Gingrich is like,
Let me tell you something, that was one of the most disgusting acts, and the mainstream media is a direct participant, something like that, in the Democratic Party.
And the crap, the pop, as you would say, from the audience, oh, roars, like you can hear it on the microphone. And all of that.And I watched that clip because all the ingredients for Trump were there the whole time.
It's just like, you have to go and look for it.He was the first one that tapped into that.Well, he was the first one who attacked his media on the stage and flipped the debate and made it about them.And it was a referendum.
It was like, no, fuck you, actually. And you could see John King has kind of taken it back, because he's never experienced this before.And now it's the norm in Republican politics.People expect it.At that time, it was crazy.It was shocking.
But yeah, I mean, I watch that clip a lot, because I'm like, that's it.That's where Donald Trump, 2015, the famous debate, you know, and Megyn Kelly's like, Mr. Trump, you've called women pigs.You know, he's like, only Rosie O'Donnell.
everyone yeah the crowd just roars man and it's like that was it like that's the moment that he won in my opinion uh in the 2015 primary broke politics forever but the ingredients were there it's funny it's funny that he was like like that was like one of the first dominoes that toppled the mainstream media and he was just trying to get a fourth wife
He was just trying to get something new.He was like, bro, nothing's going to stop me.Not the entire mainstream media.
No, I think what it is in all of this is that the base has always hated the media.It's just that the politicians, they need the media.
I mean, this is another like fakery out of all of this is that the idea that the Republicans hate the media, like nobody craves media attention more than Republicans.
Specifically mainstream media.There are some good ones out there who actually understand that the news is bad and like don't want to give them access. In reality, like as much as they say they hate it, like they want to be on CNN, bro.They like it.
You know, they want to go on Fox.They want they don't.I don't know.
So speaking of the politician stuff, what is so Matt Gates?That's something I can't wrap my head around.He got it.He got appointed.That's his attorney general.Attorney general.
Yeah.He's nominated to be the attorney general.
And the big thing about him is that he might have trafficked kids.That's a weird one.
The details are very strange.And to be fair, the DOJ did drop their case against him.So they investigated it and they leaked a lot of the details.So he was never convicted or even prosecuted.
of any of this and there genuinely was some weird, I'd have to go back and look at the details but somebody was trying to blackmail him for like 25 million dollars and that's how some of this stuff came out but like empirically he was definitely like hooking up with like very young girls and like hanging out with sketchy people and getting blackout drunk like all while he was a congressman.
So the detail as I understand it 2021
To now, there's been a three-year investigation in the House Ethics Committee about Gates and his behavior that was instigated by an attorney who filed a complaint claiming to represent an underage girl who says that she slept with Matt Gates whenever she was underage.
Now, obviously, though, she may claim that, but as I understand it, the feds did investigate at least some of these claims, and of course, they haven't brought charges.
So the report itself was due to be released, I think tomorrow actually, from the day that we are taping.
And that report now will not be released because what happened is that Gates got nominated to be the Attorney General and he resigned as the House of Representatives.
So the House Ethics Committee, two days later of his nomination, was supposed to release that, but they will no longer release the report because he's no longer a sitting member of Congress, considering his resignation.So there's some background.
That's kind of sketchy, yeah.Look, I mean, his behavior has also made it a little weird in terms of, first of all, just what he admitted to was wild.
Also, why would he be appointed, though?It almost seems like he'd have, perhaps, dirt on DJT.I don't know.You know what I mean?
No, no, I don't think it's a dirt thing.Dude, Gates is just one of, like, he's one of his biggest... He's one of his bros.Yeah, no, not bros.He's one of his biggest defenders on television.
He's one of those people who, like, anything goes, like, he's all in.
I mean, it seems tactical, I'm saying, to abandon Congress and have a higher job two days before potentially the shoe drops.
You could read that into that if you want.But at the same time, why would Trump go along with that scheme then, right?Because for this, Trump would have to be like, okay, Matt, I'll bail you out.
That's what I'm saying.That's hence the dirt.I don't know.I'm just wildly speculating.I'm trying to figure out why appoint somebody with such a sketchy record.
Oh, I mean, I think that the case is simple.
Gates is a true believer.That's what it is.
He's been all in for Trump for eight years.He was his biggest defender on television.Trump loves him.He always goes on Fox.Matt Gates is always like, I'm all in for Trump. To be fair, Gates is an interesting guy, like from my perspective.
He has generally been anti-war.He's sponsored a lot of stuff with progressive Democrats about trying to end forever wars.He's somebody who wanted to pardon Edward Snowden.He opposed the Julian Assange stuff.You'll like this.He's very pro-weed.
He's one of the most pro-marijuana members of Congress.
I don't care about weed anymore.I like mushrooms, by the way.
But, well, we're coming for that next.But he had, he, yeah, he's actually quite libertarian is the way, he's pro-Bitcoin, you know?And he's been a heterodox guy for a while.
So I'm actually, I'm not that, you know, worried about, people hate Matt Gaetz because, you know, I mean, look, he's kind of an asshole, like media-wise.He's got a reputation about town and he likes to come in.
He likes to mouth off, can we put it that way?The Republicans hate him because he's the one who mounted that coup against Kevin McCarthy and got Kevin McCarthy kicked out.
A lot of the establishment types hate him, but Trump loves him because he's loyal and he wants him to root out a lot of the people who are in the Department of Justice who he would see as deep state or enemies or whatever.
I honestly think Gates would do that, but I mean, it is crazy because AG is like a real, dude, you're the chief law, like legal officer of the United States.Like you have to determine the legality of president's actions.
You direct the Department of Justice and the FBI, like what type of cases we're gonna prosecute or not.Like you make the call on some like really big decisions.
Like you have to write the legal justification sometimes for what the president is doing, work with the White House counsel's office.I mean, it is a real no shit job. Like, it's a real job.And yeah.
I'm glad you said that, because that was my next question.
I had to go look it up.I had to go look it up, because I was like, yo, does he even have a law degree?But he does, yeah.But I was like, I don't know if he's a lawyer, you know?
That's fucking wild.So it is about, we're about to enter, like, you know, what's the Senate and the House are Republican now.They'll get two Supreme Court picks, most likely.
Yeah, Alito and Clarence Thomas.
They'll probably resign.Although Sonia Sotomayor, one of the Democrats, she's 70.
uh but she does have type 1 diabetes and uh democrats have tried to get her to resign because they're like hey you need to go so that biden can body but she pulled an rbg and she's like i'm not going anywhere whoa yeah damn they wanted one oh yeah what's up can you believe that she did these people
People are such narcissists.She so believes in power and not even being part... I mean, look, I don't really care, but it's more from a liberal perspective.It's like, if you think this is fascism and the end of democracy, like, bitch, then resign.
Like, what are you doing?
You're literally type 1 diabetic, 7 years old, and you're obese.Like, what do you think's gonna happen?Look at a fucking actuarial table.
Dude, it's it is sad, though, if you think about like even like what happened to Biden, it's like being that old and being driven by kind of like the power drive until like your brain just falls apart.It's pretty fucking terrible.
I mean, I say it's sad, but it's also like pathetic and deeply egomaniacal and narcissistic.And at the end of the day, you know, that's what it takes to be a politician.Like, that's the truth is he, by the way, has been the same his entire life.
So I talked about this book yesterday with Friedman called What It Takes.It was written in 1988.It's about the 1988 presidential campaign.That's where Biden had that plagiarism scandal.
He's been an egomaniacal narcissist, chip-on-his-shoulder guy for his entire life.So, you know, what they say about when you get old is it just makes you more of what you already are.
If you're already an arrogant fuck, you're just going to be more of an arrogant fuck when you're old, I guess.
It's so sad, man.It's true, yeah.That's so sad.That was my overarching point with religion.
It's like you need, I feel like as a society, we need a vehicle for self-transcendence so that you don't become a just 80-year-old walking around demented, like trying to lead the country.
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, that's like genuinely like self-idolatry.He's like, I am the one.I will stop Donald Trump.I'm the most important figure.Nothing is bigger than me.You know, it's pure,
narcissism, and he's chiefly responsible for both for being a terrible president, but also for the loss of the Democratic Party.It really, I mean, it's crazy.If I were them, I would be freaking out.I would be so furious.
I mean, nobody has fucked their party more than Biden since George W. Bush and his handling of the Iraq war.
Yeah, for sure.What do you think the future of the Democratic Party's going to look like?Because I thought the same thing.Like, dude, if they don't like, I think they're going to need an outsider.They're going to need a Democrat.
Yeah, that was my prediction.Not necessarily Democratic Trump, but if we're in an era, so for example, like Obama, like rose from the ashes, right?Because, you know, he was a no-name senator.He gave it a great speech, no four, big fucking greel.Okay.
Yeah. But then he came out of nowhere.He had anti-war credentials, and Harry Reid is actually the one who was like, you should run for president.He's like, you're not a good senator.He's like, you don't like it here.He's like, get out of here.
Go run for president.He's the first person who put that in Obama's mind. Like, if we look in the past, Bill Clinton also came out of nowhere in 92.We had 12 years of Republican rule, 1980 to 1992.It was Reagan and it was Bush.
And Clinton, I mean, he was a no-name governor from Arkansas, but he created this thing, the Democratic Leadership Committee, which basically moved the Democratic Party much more to the right and made it more of a neoliberal thing, and that's how he was able to win a major victory in 92.
Somebody will come.I think that person needs to come from the ashes, though.I think anybody tainted by the stain of wokeism from the 2010s and the Great Awakening onward, on top of the Biden and all the trans shit and all this.
Plus, this whole last decade has been a nightmare, right?
It collapsed in on itself.
And it collapsed in on itself.So anybody really tainted by that at the national political level, they're going to have a tough time. in my opinion.
That's why, even though I think Gavin Newsom's very talented, and I think that Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg, and all these other people, I think that they, you know, they like to believe that they could overcome it, and maybe, right?
Like, Trump could fuck everything up, and he could be a nightmare, right, in terms of his popularity, and it'd be easy to beat him.Anybody could.
But if he doesn't, and if he governs even reasonably well, 40, 50% approval rating, you're gonna need somebody with, like, real political entrepreneurship and skills to be able to rise out of that.
Yeah, and they have they kind of the Republican side has a kind of like a I feel like a deeper roster.They could people they could tap that are also like, you know, like, like RFK, he's he can like talk.He's not like, like a total role.
He's not Republican, right?So he's a whatever.Yeah, he's an independent.He's endorsed Trump. Yes.Although I don't think RFK will ever run again.
I don't think he will.I don't think he will.But I'm saying they seem to have like a Tulsi Gabbard.Like they have like a deeper roster of people.Maybe that's just me.I'm biased.
But it's like maybe I don't know if anyone like you're saying like these like do some booty gauge is like I really think they need a new person.Absolutely.
You need somebody who is totally untainted by the system. and that's what Obama was, that's what Bill Clinton was.
I mean, the appetite for, although I will say, the thing is about the Democratic base is now it's rich white people, and the thing is about rich white people is they don't really give a shit about a lot of stuff, they just wanna win.
They are just like, we want to win.They're like, oh, you need to say what?Okay, whatever.Say it, just win.
So it is a little different this time because this time around, whatever narrative they're sold about what will beat Trump, that's who they're going to nominate.That's why they nominated Biden.They didn't care what he stood for.
They were like, we need somebody, we need Trump out of here.That's what it's going to be like.
Bring out the dancing black ladies.
They threw everything.They were like, Beyonce, Cardi.So were you as shocked as I was that they got paid?I had no idea.
I had no idea. I didn't know.
I thought celebrities just did it because they supported them.If they didn't get paid, it's because they're at the ditty parties.You better show my W2.
It's just so weird to be like, we're going to have... A million dollars to Oprah?A million dollars.
She's a billionaire.What the fuck do you need a million dollars for?What are we doing?
I mean, it's a nice little treat though.
Yeah, sure, but it's like, don't you already support Kamala?Just do it, you know?And that's the thing is, I don't think they're getting paid to say something that they don't already believe, but if you already believe it, just do it for free.
Why would you I don't think they believe it you can't you can't you're right you can't get like there's no way there's no like
But, you know, again, it's like Republicans, I'm not like a big Republican guy, but I really like zoom in on like the liberal Democrat, like the modern liberal Democrat type.It's like I don't really see a coherent vision at all.
It's all it's too bought in on the postmodernism, which is in itself is self-contradictory and goes nowhere.Definitely.So that's kind of what happened to them.They like it was their like Trump was the rights energizer battery pack.
Theirs was like the postmodern racial power versus, you know, worldview.Yeah, it was very it's very odd. And it just, it just literally collapses in on itself and it contradicts itself.Like, you know, there's no hierarchies.
It's like, well, who do you prefer Trump or Biden?Well, there's, there are all that bullshit.But it's like, they all, they're going to have, if I were a Democrat, like leading the campaign, the outsider candidate, and I will come by and be like,
If you're a Trump supporter, I still love you, man.That's all they have to do.
They made the whole dictator-fascist playbook that they ran this time.That was very stupid.I don't know how they're going to do it, man.I have confidence that they will figure it out, just because people are too triumphalist.
I know I was talking about the 2008 Obama wins, right?They're like, we will never lose an election again.James Carville literally wrote a book called 40 more years about how the Democrats will be in power forever.Demographics are destiny.It's over.
It's a white party.And now Donald Trump has won two out of the last three presidential elections. The last one, he won the popular vote and he won Latino men.He basically completed a racial realignment of the U.S.politics.
Imagine going back, you know, to 2008 and telling me that.That was only 16 years ago, man.
It wasn't that long ago.And Obama lost his juice.They trotted him out to be like, go yell at young black guys.
Like, dude, it just was like, ah, man.So you sneering. That's I, I, I have Obama derangement syndrome.Like I hate Obama and like not for the reasons that like white boomers hate him.We're like, he's destroying this country.
I was working construction when he got elected and it was a somber day for like for the boomers.
Yeah.Like boomer age white guys.They'd come into work and be like, they were, they were just mad.He was a black guy.That was it.It was, it was just, they came in and they were going, It was so, it was kind of funny.Yeah.But I do agree.
I think there's something very sinister about wrapping yourself in that like cultural identity.
I call him Instagram president.He's this fucking, you know, he's just this cultural elite.He's everything that he supposedly stood against and the way that he governed, you know, he came and he was supposed to end the Iraq war.
And the financial crisis he was supposed to solve, he fucked both of those up.We had a horrible economic depression for the entire period.
I mean, if you want to look at the wealth inequality, the explosion, the lack of wage growth that all happened under Obama, he got lucky that Mitt Romney ran against him.All the ingredients to be able to beat him were there.
Romney just ran a terrible campaign. Campaign and then immigration in 2014.
He over interprets his mandate and he's like, you know what fuck this I'm gonna do whatever I want on immigration and he goes all in and he does DACA and it honestly that is responsible for Donald Trump because What he did is he both polarized the liberal base on the issue of immigration, which was amnesty first Maybe border security sometime in the future, but he also energized the Republicans who were like, oh my god when they have power they're gonna mass legalize literally millions of illegal immigrants and
And that leads to the 2014, that 2014 executive order leads directly, one year later Trump comes down the escalator and says, no, we're going to build a wall and Mexico's going to pay for it.So there are direct consequences for these actions.
And immigration is the number one reason, in my opinion, why Donald Trump was elected.Like there's no question.
What do you think about the population collapse that's going to come when all the boomers go?You don't think we're going to have to be just importing people?
No.I mean, I think that's a very convenient explanation.I mean, look, at a certain point, too.
If the numbers dip, how is it not real?
No.What I'm saying is that the idea that, first of all, we're going to have population collapse, and we're like, Japan is just not true.
But the second is there's this presumption that the only way to do it is to import basically second-class citizens from South America.
Do you ever read The Next Hundred Years by George Friedman?
I have not read that book.I think I'm familiar with the thesis.
I mean, this is a very popular way that people justify mass migration.First of all, there's another way, which is you could try both economic and social incentives to change the picture.
But the other thing is there's something really sick about this idea that the only way to
that the birth rate itself is the only thing that matters and not what the actual makeup of the United States is, and all the secondary and tertiary effects of what mass illegal immigration does to the U.S.economy, to U.S.
society, it makes a mockery of U.S.law, and the entire way our immigration system works is just totally fucked up.People don't understand. Our immigration system is totally unique in the Western world.
The entire rest of the Western world has basically merit-based immigration.We are the only country still left on family-based chain migration.So what that means is that, so I'm a U.S.citizen, right?
And so, because I was born here, I was born here in Bryan, Texas, but the way it would have worked is my parents who immigrated here, their family members have a preference in the U.S.
immigration system if they were able to sponsor someone to come to America.It doesn't matter whether those family members are, are they college educated?Like, who are these people, right?Like, do you have a degree?Like, what's your job?
Like, are you able to support yourself?That makes no sense.If you immigrate to Australia, they're like, they have a points-based immigration system.So they're like, a college degree?Cool.Oh, you speak English?Much higher up at the list, right?
That's how it should work.It should be merit-based.It should be based upon, are you going to benefit America?Now, people get very squirrelly about this because it is contrary to the way that what I talked about earlier, the 1800s mass immigration.
Yeah, that was my mom's dad.Oh no, it was the 1900s, sorry.
But here's a good quote that I heard, we don't make immigration policy for our grandparents, we do it for our grandchildren.So just because some, so in the 1800s we had what, industrial revolution?
We needed a shit ton of basically just like bodies to sit there.Like shovel, oh you can swing a shovel, cool.You're fucking Slovenian, who cares, whatever.But that's not how the U.S.economy works.The U.S.economy is a service-based economy.
Our manufacturing jobs are high-tech manufacturing.Like you need to be able to speak English to function in America. 12 million people illegally entered this country in the last four years.
The 27% of them don't have a high school diploma in Spanish, by the way, so they're barely literate in Spanish.20-something percent of them have barely completed a high school education by Latin American standards or wherever they came from.
And then only a small portion are actually college educated.So, look, be real.Look at the stats.What is that gonna cost the United States?Are they bad people?Absolutely not. But it makes a mockery of this idea of, first of all, of just order.
Like in terms of being able to just come here, no matter who you are, you can just raise your hand, fake, say, I fear for my life.You're an economic migrant, let's all be honest.And if you interview these people, they'll tell you the same.
They're like, I came here for a job.I don't begrudge you, that's fine.But the point is is that you can't allow that system to be in place where basically the cost of the bill of all this is gonna come down to us.So we need to dramatically shift
to an actual merit-based immigration system.That's number one.But two, what we really need to do is also consider, after that period of massive immigration, of European migration, we had social chaos in this country.
We actually were becoming like ethnic.There was a whole war over this.Teddy Roosevelt gave a famous speech, we are done with hyphenated America. And hyphenated me like, you know, like, I'm a Slovenian-American.He was like, no, we're all Americans.
We need to be done with hyphenation.And that led to a complete shutdown, basically, of U.S.immigration from the 1920s up until the Immigration Naturalization Act of 1965.
that immigration moratorium actually allowed for assimilation where the term white became popular.Because it's like, as you know, if you read a book, ask white Protestants, were Irish people white in 1920?Absolutely not.Okay.Like Lithuanian?
They're like, you're Lithuanian.You're not white.
Just so we're all aware.That was bad. Yeah.And so the change in that, we need to go through that again.
Like we need to completely change the way that we've, our foreign born population has never been as high than previous from the 19, I think in the late 1900s, right around when we had the same immigration moratorium.
We're signing up for the same levels of problems, where our heterogeneous population is just way too removed from each other, we don't have a common civic understanding, or any of this.
And the truth is, is that if you just keep importing one million people per year, and then the vast majority of them are illegal, no disorderly process, like, dude, this just breaks the civic foundation of the country, like, it's just not gonna work.
And I say this to somebody whose parents came from India, but that's my point, I'm here now, I'm a citizen, I have to care about my children, my grandchildren, what country are they going to grow up in.
It is kind of a bullshit thing to be like, well since your parents came, you have to decide, I can change my fucking mind.
the third world so I could live in the first world and I can make up my own mind.The best part of coming to America and to the West, anybody who is from a non-Western country will know this.
In non-Western countries, you're kind of like told what to do.There's a path and there's a rigid class system and there's like, this is how we live our life.That's the best part about coming here, man.You can do whatever you want.
You can say whatever you want.
The social mobility here is better than anywhere else in the entire world, dude.
And that's that was the problem.I went to school for social work when I went to I got my graduate degree in social work.And and you were like, if you brought up social mobility, the teachers would really be like, that's a myth.
No, it's not.No, it's not.They're like, that's a myth.
Does wealth give you privilege?Absolutely.But actually, I think I read that people who are born in the upper quintile, if you look at the across generations, after like three generations, their kids are usually back down.
Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves.Yeah, shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves.Yeah, exactly.It does have money.Extreme money has a degenerative effect.
It like it's obviously it's incredible, you know bounty to be born ton of money But dude it like kind of warps people big one of my favorite books is the fall of the house of Vanderbilt And it's exactly about this and it's basically I think a hundred years after Cornelius Vanderbilt died his generations Not a single one of them was a millionaire not one and the first Vanderbilt after Cornelius Vanderbilt to make anything of himself was one of the only Vanderbilts not to be born with money and
His name is Anderson Cooper.He is the first Vanderbilt member of the Vanderbilt family to not be born with money.The first one who was broke who made anything out of himself.What the fuck?Yes.Yeah, that's it.
Anderson Cooper is the first successful Vanderbilt in like 200 years. since Cornelius, since Cornelius, uh, the Commodore Commodore.I didn't, I've heard he's a Vanderbilt, but it's always like he's a CIA.His mother was Glandor, Gloria Vanderbilt.
Yeah.And, uh, yeah, I mean, if you, and you read their stories, the money just destroyed them and destroyed their family.Uh, all of them just became like,
degenerate dilettantes who became, you know, I mean, they were addicted to alcohol and drugs and they would blow it on these gigantic houses.And, uh, you know, they got caught up in the British rat race and they, they all became dollar princess.
I love the term dollar princess.A dollar princess is in the 1800s, American industrialists were filthy rich.And the way to have social mobility is they're like, we need to get our daughters married to English Lords, but the English Lords were broke.
And so they were like, oh, we'll marry your kids.So Winston Churchill's mother, she was a dollar princess, Jenny Churchill.And they hit the Duke of Marlborough.I forget exactly what his name was.It was another Churchill.
I think it was Randolph Churchill.He married one of Cornelius Vanderbilt's either granddaughter or great-granddaughter. Same thing, he bailed him out, so he literally could rebuild his house.
And after they got married, he was like, by the way, I don't give a shit about you at all.
He's like, I really don't care.
He's like, I married you for your money.He's like, I'm just gonna go do whatever I want to do.Like, I'm just gonna go live my life.Yeah.
No, it's horrible.It's horrible.Her life ended up, it was a nightmare, unfortunately, for her.
Yeah.Well, it's also very rigid.And I know if you have generational wealth, it's like you're, you have to, you can get cut out of the will, then you're fucked.Yes.
There's stuff like that.And then, you know, you have that house, the Biltmore down in, uh, in North Carolina, the largest house literally ever built in the United States.It was built by a Vanderbilt.Um, you know, it's just, you read about them.
Like this guy would have like seven marriages in the course of his life.
Dude, I, I did work in Arlen Specter's estate.He was dead, and it was, I think one of the- The senator from Pennsylvania?Yes.Yeah.I painted his house.Really?Me and my friend helped paint his house.
Did you ever ask him about JFK?Huh?About JFK.
He was dead.Did you ever ask him?I should have asked him, but that's why I think he got a nice little estate.Dude, it was just like his surviving family members, and it was for real sad, man.
We were in there using oil primer, and the lady came in and was just like, this smells. Like, yeah, we had a yes, it's fucking right.Oil paint.I have a party coming in.We're like, OK.
And she started spraying, just walking around as if you were like an inanimate.She would just spray perfume in the room.And if you were standing there, she would just go like right in your face.Jeez.
My mom, my mom was a maid for the DuPonts and she said it was the same thing.She was a maid at the house of the guy who was like a, who became like a psycho killer wrestler guy.
She was down there and she said it was like, she was like, I remember being like, it was a very sad, it was just like a sad vibe in the house.
I mean, after a hundred years, yeah, basically destroyed them all.And it is very sad because most of them, the burden of, and it's not just them.I read another book about the Astor family.
I mean, John Jacob Astor was like one of the first like real millionaires in the United States.He was a slumlord. In Manhattan, he was like this Dutch slumlord.He was like, hey, how many of you immigrants gonna charge $20 today?
But and then and you know and his family like they become these titans of society And all of that and one of his what great-grandson, I think died on Titanic He was the one he was the richest man on the Titanic and he died on the Titanic his 19 year old wife who just impregnated and
She got off.She had a baby.He became the Titanic baby.
Um, and yeah, cause he was literally in his mother's womb, uh, whenever she was, uh, she was saved off of the Titanic, but basically after him and he was, by the way, ended up being like some degenerate playboy, you know, it's just like, it didn't really live up to it.
That is the funny thing you can achieve.It is very funny though, to be like, you can achieve at the highest level. just so your grandson can just like crash a boat while he's like coked up.Right.Yeah.I mean, one day it happens all up on a river.
The Rockefellers, you know, John, John D rock.He was kind of a psycho actually.His, his son actually was relatively successful.He seemed like a good guy.His grand, his son's a Nelson Rockefeller.
He was the vice presidential nominee for the Republicans governor of New York.But after that, you know, things start to drift off and now we're in the, you know, the fifth and sixth generation.You're like, Ooh,
Yeah, the Kennedy family dude, you know, it's like the longer you go down the Kennedy family You're like, is there anybody impressive in that?I saw JFK's grandson going around the DNC when I was there like filming tech talks and stuff and I was like
That's the kiss of death.Like fucking John F. Kennedy's grandson.I know.I want to shake him.I'm like live up to your goddamn father.
It's got to be a crazy family to be a part of.
Oh yeah.I just want to be like if you're a great grandfather, the patriarch could see you, he'd be sick.Like looking around.Just fucking dancing.Yeah he's like taking selfies and be like hey guys.Like you suck dude.
Yeah, I was like, dude, this guy blows.
He's a dandy.It is absolute dandy behavior.Yeah, it just does suck because it's like you want to do well.But it's like if you kind of like, you know, if you just try to go for the absolute top.Yeah, it does.
Like without a vision of some sort, you just end up just kind of like.
I think that anybody who comes into even a modest amount of money, you probably need to do some serious thinking.
And you really need to be like, okay, what is my life going to look like?Look.Children, how does this work?
This is why people need to sell a lot of weed when they're 20.Oh, really?I did this.I had the hero's journey.I came into like, I would make like $4,000 a week and just be like- Holy shit. Dude, I was killing it.4,000 times.I lost all of it.
4,000 times 52 is how much?
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They can definitely not go well very quickly.Oh, absolutely.
Also, I would just say I've met a lot of people who are like super wealthy and all of them are pretty weird.Like every person I know, every person I've ever met with a hundred million more net worth, I'm like, dude, you're a weirdo.
Well, you can't connect with anybody.You can't talk about it.
Like if you even broach certain subjects, 80% of people are going to be like, you want to know a funny, I was talking to a guy and I was like, yeah, you know, when you're in an airport and he's like, Oh, I haven't been in an airport in 20 years.
And I was like, Whoa.I was like, Oh, cause you fly private.I was like, I've never even been on a private plane.And I was like, that's a crazy, that was, it was so casual.He's like, I haven't been in an airport in 20 years.I know.I was like, Whoa.
What a life. Yeah, like what does that even look like?
Yeah, dude, I was talking to somebody one time excited about like flying first class and he was like, dude, my kids have never not flown private and I was like, I don't even think about that.
I was like, fuck.Yeah, but that probably really fucks them up.And what are they going to do then whenever they have to fly economy?
Either they'll be stoked.Oh, here's the thing.I remember I grew up in like a upper middle class suburb.So like I moved to West Philly and I was in the hood and I was like, this is so cool.
And then like, so maybe they'll just be on an airplane and be like, wow.
Yeah.But I mean, you know, sometimes you're a, what is it like C on Southwest and you're like trying to go for the middle seat or whatever.And you're like, my life sucks.Yeah.
That's, that's, and I'm talking about plane.And now I'm talking about, you know, this, your Northeast guy, mega bus, like when you're taking like a midnight mega bust in New York city, the cheapest one.And you're like, well, I'll take a bag.
And when I get there, like changing a bathroom,
Megabus was nice.Megabus, we did the, there was a Chinatown bus.Oh, the Chinatown bus.I know the Chinatown bus.It's just a pregnant lady driving it, and you're like, what the fuck?
But dude, yeah, it's- Stomach's up against the steering wheel.
Yeah, for real, dude.There was a real pregnant lady driving it before.People, drug addicts are like freaking out in the back.And someone's like, hey, can y'all keep it down back there?And they're like, shut your goddamn mouth. That is true.
It does kind of set the bar too high.And then it's like all you can ever do is be disappointed in life.Or, you know, I did eventually become very disillusioned with life in the hood.I was like, this is sad.This is so sad.Dude, it's real so sad.
Yeah, because it's the systems are like designed to just keep everybody down.And I mean, look, they have individual responsibility for sure.But like also the the way the entire thing is designed, it's like they keep it contained.Nobody cares.
Everyone just wants to pretend like it's over there.And it's dude, it's real.
Like it's like I remember me.I bought a house in West Philly with my brother when I was like 21.It was the house to the house was twenty seven thousand dollars.I lived in there. Yeah, it was pretty fucking awesome.Did you hang on to it?
Did you sell it?We sold it, and then it got knocked down immediately.It was structurally... It had a tree growing through the basement.It was bad.
But I remember going into my neighbor's house, and they were like... It's funny, because when you live there, there are a lot of... When you grow up... I grew up with my parents watching Fox News.
It's just the news being like, black guys are up to no good again, and it's like... So you get this skewed picture, and then you meet the individuals, and you're like, damn, these are some of the nicest people.
Then obviously there's people doing monstrous behavior. But I remember like the first time I walked into somebody's like their hat my neighbor's house.It's like visually jarring because it's like Everything's just fucked up like ever.
There's no symmetry that everything's built fucked up And it's like I remember like being 10, you know, there's just like bugs and just being like fuck dude That's it was like just crazy.
I know but then it's like that's why you have to do good It's it's like the brutal reality behind all of like the you know, let's save everyone political messaging.It's like dude.I Nobody you have to bail yourself out at the end of the day.
You just have to it's sad.
It's not fair Yeah, I look at you have to do it ways as in you we have to of course like design and move systems to create like a quality of opportunity, but you also have to have a responsibility given the circumstances.
For example, like, I don't know, any money, anything, anything that you're working with, I'll often be like, what a bullshit.For example, and you guys probably have this too.I, you know, Crystal and I co-own our shows.We're small business owners too.
And we have to deal with all the small bit. All of the paperwork and all the fucking accounting and all the shit behind it is mind numbing, it's stupid, it makes no sense.
It's genuinely not fair because these major corporations and all these other people get all of these crazy tax breaks and we're sitting here trying to figure this stuff out and it sucks all of our time and it's super stressful.
And I could just be like, oh, it's not fair.And it's actually not fair.The people who are small business owners, you get fucked.Like that's the reality. But you just have to do it, right?
So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna sit here, I'm gonna spend 10 hours of my goddamn time learning the ins and outs of all of this to make sure I'm not getting ripped off when my accountant says this and this.You gotta double check, man.
I'm like you, you know, Patreon and all this.I wanna be a good steward of other people's money.I don't wanna be pissing people's money away.It's not nice, you can't do that to people.
I mean, it's a serious responsibility when you're like, hey, pay me $10 a month.It's not a fucking joke, dude.You're like, actually, you have to be my steward of that money. For real.
Well, hold on, man.People want to give their money, man.But no, I agree.I agree.You got to give them something.You got to do something.You can't just piss it away.
Yes, you're working for them.And you can't just, you know, and it's also money.It's like, look, I grew up Indian, so, you know, money, it means something.You know, you're taught from a very young age.
And I don't care how much money you have, like $100 will always be $100 to me.I know exactly what that buys and I know what it means and what it does.
Well, it's funny because where I'm from in Garner Valley, Pennsylvania, there's been like a massive influx of the Indian population.
Everyone I know, like people of like landscaping companies, they're like, bro, they're like just haggling on the fucking lawn.He's like, their lawns are this fucking high.They're like, I'm not paying.
It's like, my cousin's like, bro, they haggled me to fucking death.It's really funny.
That's what he gets.Yeah.But dude, it is.It is.It's one of those things.I feel like India.It's like they were out of the race conversation for a long time.Of course we are.
Yeah.We're we're the inconvenient minority.
Asians in general are completely invisibilized by U.S.racial discourse.Big time. Um, I mean, look, you guys are killing it.Yeah.We're the richest people in America.Um, yeah, I think it's cool.I mean, I mean, I'll say this.
It's not really fair because Indians in America are, uh, like so-called like the twice selected elite.And so why do they say that?Because India is a billion people.Okay.But, uh, the caste system where Brahmins, which is the top cast, those people.
Oh yeah.So you do know. Brahmins, 40%, I think it's only like 1 or 2% of India, my math could be wrong, but 40%, so 1 or 2% of India, but 40% of Indian-Americans are Brahmin.
So that means 40% of the people here are part of the top 1 to 2% already of the Indian caste system.
Yeah, because they're doctors, engineers, lawyers, people who are highly educated.So part of Brahmin culture, that's where I come from too, by the way.
But no, but I'm saying our family has generations of revering education, family, we don't drink alcohol, we're like, this is how we live our life.Our life is about family, it's about furthering the next generation.
Individualism really as a concept is like, not part of that.And that's actually why I think it meshes really well with America, is America will drag you to individualism.
America will drag you to a little bit of consumerism, a little bit of like, you can be whoever you want to be.But the backstop that you have is like, no, no, no, no, no, this is not what we do.Like money, we don't spend it on stupid shit.
When we have money, we spend it on books, on education.So my upbringing was like, The budget is limitless for anything educational.The budget is like zero for anything stupid.For fucking around, yeah.
No offense, white people, but I have noticed you have proclivities for new cars and for nice sneakers.Check my ride, bro.And nice kitchens, and so I'll be like, so your kid's got $25,000 in debt and you've got a new fucking kitchen?Interesting.
In our culture, that shit does not fly. But that's why I would say Indians are very successful in America because it's like, we're both obviously highly educated, that's number one.But two, I really think the culture is a huge aspect of it.
The way that you revere money, you think about family.There are no Indian parents out there who have the money who are not paying for their child's college education.It's just, it would never happen.
And in white families, there's this weird hyper, they got this boomer mentality of like, They've got to figure it out, because back in my day, I'm like, well, have you looked at inflation?Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
And they're like, well, they'll get it when I die.And I'm like, yeah, but it's actually way more useful to help your child out when you're 18, 19 to 25.Those are the foundational years of your life.So it's a mindset difference.
That was the one.No, no, dude, I appreciate you saying that.That was the one thing my parents were actually really good about, is like,
Don't go into debt if you ever avoid it at all costs and also keep a low profile like don't don't try to my dad does spazzy like he'll get he has like phases where he has like 57 bicycles in his basement.
But they were very bad now my parents weren't like educated really they you know they went to high school and they got out that was it. But they were very like that was the one thing I think that's the thing I'm going to copy off of them.
They like sent us to like an all boys Catholic high school, paid for our college.And it's like, that's the one thing with my kids.It's like we were looking for schools for my daughter right now.
And it's like I was telling my wife, I'm like, your mom's big on a lot of people I know are like the public school is just as good.And it's like, I don't think so.I don't, I don't, I genuinely don't think so.
It's like, I'm assuming you live in a nice area.Probably.
Yeah.It's pretty nice.A lot of Indians, a lot of Indians.
I think you're probably fine then man.I went to public school.Yeah.
No, I, but now the public schools around me are, it's like, it's newly nice.So the public schools are, but it's like you compare it to a private school and it's like, I mean you've done well for public school. I'll give you the case for and against.
My point is if you can't afford it, you should spend money on your kids education.
That's all I was trying to say.Absolutely.
And so in that case, it's interesting, but more what I meant in terms of that is sometimes people will be like, I don't know, like I knew a girl who wanted to take like a graduate test, like study for the GRE.
And she was like, oh, my parents won't pay for my GRE test thing.But they have the money to pay for it.But they're like, you have to work to go for your GRE test prep.I'm like, what?Who are your parents?In my head, I'm like, that doesn't even fly.
But if I was like, hey, dad, So if I was like that, I need five thousand dollars for a prep course.And I was like, twenty three or whatever.Like, absolutely.
But if I was like, I need five thousand dollars to go hang out in San Tropez or it's like he's like, what the fuck?
No, that doesn't make sense.That's what I'm talking about.
And a lot of the suburbs like that I'm from, I've learned that many of the families are just dead.It's just like the whole thing runs on a giant balloon of debt.And it's like kind of Americans are obsessed with debt.
Americans are obsessed with consumerism, and my dad, when he was making good money, was rolling around in a 1988 Mazda with no air conditioning in 150 degree Texas with his windows rolled down, and he refused to get it.
He eventually sold it for $1,000 after he put 200,000 miles on it. That's where I come from.Do you need a new Raptor truck, Texas?Probably not.
No offense, but if you look at the average car payment, Texas is the highest average car payment in the nation because all of these idiots are rolling around in trucks. You don't need a brand new truck.You don't need an $80,000 Raptor.
It's ridiculous.Like, sorry, you need a Toyota Camry or a Hyundai or like any of these other cars.They're great cars.They'll get you.So I am actually a big proponent of Dave Ramsey for the vast majority of people.
I think Ramsey hates what you were just saying. I think his common sense approach, if 95% of people followed their life that way, they would be better off.He preaches avoid debt, don't use credit cards and all this.
I personally am a big credit card point fiend, but I pay it by balance and all this stuff.But here's the thing, I think what he gets at is what we were talking about with impulse control and all that, look at the stats.
People can't control themselves.They're only paying the minimums.They're taking out 35, 40, 50% debt or whatever on their APR, HELOC loans and all this. He's taught me about financial products.I didn't even know existed.
I'm like, wait, so people out there are taking two mortgages and then another mortgage on top of that one.How do you sleep at night, bro?
Oh my God.I actually cannot imagine.So if, if for anybody out there who's listening, If you listen to Dave and you actually take, at the very least, take some of the advice to heart.You know the number one thing is budget too.
No matter how much money you make, you still need a budget.And the reason why is you just need to know where your money is going.And you need to be conscientious about every dollar that you spend.
So like you were just saying, you and your wife need to sit down and make a choice.We're sending our kid to private school.That means this is our nut.We need X, Y, and Z amount per month.This is how it looks like.
And we're saving and this is what it looks like.
With I'm still I have an open mind right now.I'm like, I'm I've looked at like four schools.Yeah.And it's like I've noticed a huge difference.But it's like if I see a public school that works, I would go.I don't I don't like one or the other.
But I went to both so I can make the case.So I was very lucky.So I grew up in College Station.I went to public school for the first 16 years of my life.My last year is a high school.
My parents, we moved to Qatar and I got to go to a very fancy private school. It was part of the deal.Like an international school?The American School of Doha, right?
So I went from a school where probably the median income of the parent was like, let's say like $40,000, to a school where the median income of the parent was probably like $300,000.An elite school.It was an outrageously nice school.
And we were flying for school trips, like everybody there, their parents worked for Exxon and all of this.
Dude, that was one of the schools we looked at.Like, we're going to send your fourth grader to France for a week.I was like, what the fuck?I was like, no.
That's what my last years of high school were like.And I will tell you, I definitely loved it.I loved it.
But I would worry that if I had grown up in that environment, and anybody out there, if you've ever interacted with people who are in that bubble, There's a lot of downside that man, like that's when you were talking about the first class thing.
We were on a school trip once and one of the kids had never flown economy before and we were all flying economy together.He was like 17 years old.What the fuck?He had never been in economy class.He only ever phone first.
And frankly, he was a pampered little bitch, you know, it's like, and I, the people like that, like there is, there is something important.
And I think about it too, where, you know, about the people that I grew up with, I didn't even love them that much.I'll be honest with you. But it was important.I got to interact with people from all across different walks of life.
I think public education is very important.And I actually think at a young age, too.I think in high school, I could make a really good case if you have the money to go to private school.
If you look at the stats, private schools send the vast majority of their kids to Ivy League and to other schools, especially if that's what you want for your child.But K through what, middle school?It's not really about education.
It's about socialization.And so for socialization purposes, I don't really want my children, just me personally, to be growing up in a bubble.And in that bubble, I
I've spent enough time now in elite circles that I can see how dangerous that it really can be to the mind and to how that person can eventually use that privilege in others.And first of all, they're over-interpreting their own success.
Like this idea of like, they'll be like, oh, we're doing pretty good.I'm like, you are not doing shit.
I'm doing good.You're not doing good.You have not done anything.
and uh dude it is weird man that's that's the kind of the thing i've been struggling with it's like you know because i don't want to be like get them older and be like what the fuck you could have sent me to a nicer school and i'm like i don't want to be a dickhead yeah but you can also just track each of your children and like what if them one of them is real there are different types of schools there's magnet schools there's math schools there's uh sports there's drama there's like all these other ones like you gotta what i would do is i would be like okay but first of all again k through
eight is about, it's not about education.Actually a lot of that education, my man, is on you.If anything, you're trying to pay somebody else to teach your kids how to read better.That's about you.You need to step up in the house.
That's what I'm saying.You got to be keeping that shit up every day after school.Not even tutors.You need to be engaged.You need to be making sure that you're sitting there and making stuff, is this stuff done?
Because that's where the parent really is the most important.Of course, middle school, high school, when we start talking about SATs, that's when I think education and the quality of teacher can really make an impact on them.
But that's by the time they're starting to become formed as a human being and may have an idea of what they want to do.
But those initial years, I think it's really just about learning how to like be a person in the world, about how to interact with others, following rule, like what does it mean to live in a society and be in like this ordered weird thing that we call.
So that's the purpose of school, man.Like at the end of the day.That's why homeschool people are fucking weirdos.Can we all be honest?Have you ever met a normal one?They're freaks, all right?It's true, man.Like it's true.
I know a couple of people, I know people who are homeschooling right now, they're going to be pissed at you, dude.
We met one homeschooled kid.
Sometimes they do it in pods and they're okay.
We met a homeschooled kid in my baseball team and we drove him to tears.Yeah, you should.
There is a huge aspect of the socialization for sure.
For sure.But then it's like with the public schools, what are they getting socialized into?Then you look at all the other shit they had going on with like, you know,
Like when they're like, don't tell your parents if you want a trans, come to us and we'll send you to a doctor.That's fair.That was the shit that was free.
You're living here in Texas, dude.What are you worried about?You were actually worried?
Dude, these schools, dude, now all the schools, I'm in Austin.Yeah.So the schools are like, dude, they're pretty fucking, they go pretty hard with that shit.And that's the stuff that I'm like, eh, but I don't know.
What about the rest of the burbs around it?Round Rock, Fredericksburg, all those other, but they can't be there.I mean, I grew up around here, man.Those are some Bible belt dudes.You've been going for a long time, dude.Yeah, that's true.
You left, bro.Yeah. That's kind of yeah, I don't know I went to a wall I won't buy we can get out of here soon with how long are we doing Josh? Damn, dude, we almost did a Rogan.I'll let you out here in a second, but I was laughing.
Today, we toured, because again, it's like I'm going to public schools.I'm just trying to find, that's the one thing I will try to give my kids the best in education.
Well, you should.I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with doing private school.
But I will say today, so I was thinking that, I went to a Waldorf school today.I don't know if you're familiar with Waldorf.
I know, I'm familiar with what it is.
Dude, I've never seen anything like that in my life.And it was like almost, theoretically, I'm like, it's all the stuff I like, and I saw the reality of it, and I was like, no. It was just like almost creepy.I agree.
There was a, there at one point, there's one, there's one dude in the tour, no matter what the person said, he would go, oh, it's so important.And like, at one point, at one point, they were like, we have climbing trees, we have trees we don't climb.
Those are the climbing trees.
And then we're in another room, and they're like, for math, we have a tactile sensory aspect where we have these marbles, and they're actually counting the marbles, and the guy literally over marbles goes, oh, yes.
I was like, dude, would you shut the fuck up?That's so weird.There becomes a point of it where it is like... There are some millennial trends.It's like a fake favorite.Like, we did the entire Odyssey school play in fourth grade.It's like...
There's some millennial trends.I need to look more into them, not 100%.
I think they do well.I think it has like... Go ahead.I'm sorry.
Well, I was going to say gentle parenting is the one that I've become familiar with, this millennial trend of being like, they don't say the word no, right?Everything is about redirection.
And the Indian in me is like, how can you possibly turn out like a well-formed adult?Like, actually a huge, I would say majority of adulthood is learning how to deal with the consequences of the word no.That's what adulthood is.Oh, you want a job?
There's a giant no.Oh, you want more money?Fuck you, no.There's a giant no hovering over your entire life.
Yeah, it's really like, you're like, oh, you want to go on a date?It's like, what are 99% of these women going to tell you?No, absolutely not.You're a loser, actually.
I know. Yeah, I go back.So it's like I grew up in like the rigorous old school, like, you know, if you get in trouble, you get hit, all that stuff.I do think that's not a good idea to do.Probably.I think it's genuine.
It's like, you know, I don't think it's the end of the world, especially if you're not like getting drunk and like coming in for no reason.If there's like a rhyme and reason to it, it's not the worst thing.
but i do think the um punishing physically makes you as a kid like i'm not going to tell my parents anything that's right i don't want to get smacked no but they need consequences right like yes take away the things that they like yes be like you're in silent treatment or
Stuff like, I do, I think consequences are really important because man, when you get shielded from it and honestly, you know, even, even I remember like that first time when you're 22 years old and you graduate from college and you're actually out on your own and you really are like, you're like, Oh my God, like this is, this sucks.
Like you make a bad decision and you're sitting there, you know, and you're like, Oh dude, and this is on me and I'm by myself right now.Nobody's going to bail you out right now.
I'm telling you, the worst possible is when you're making bad decisions and it's paying off because eventually it all hits you and you go, oh!And it comes for everybody, dude.And you go, oh, man.And the older you get, you go, there's no way.
I gotta live my way through this now.And it's like, dude, thank you so much for coming.I could talk to you forever.I could talk to you forever.I really enjoyed it.It was actually pretty fun.
Appreciate you.Thank you.
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