What's going on, everybody?Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.I'm your host, Nick.And we have an incredible episode for you today.Most importantly, Shenandoah doors on this episode.
Yeah. And Danny and Whitney.
What was everyone's big takeaway meeting Shannon?
Joel's a liar.Joel can boost her.
Oh, yeah.That boy's a liar.
It's just more like I. Yeah, I just think after meeting Shannon, I really think that all of her castmates are kind of bullies.
Have you guys met Joel?Have you?
No.I've seen him live a lot of times.
She's a Joel Stan.I'm not.
So then why do you think he did this?
Why do you think he's a liar?
You guys are putting words in my mouth.You guys are putting words in my mouth.
She defends him every time she defends him that I'm like, I hate that man.Yeah, I hate him.Well, I don't hate him.Okay.I love Shannon.
No, I mean, he said crazy shit about her.
I don't appreciate the way he treated Shannon.You're not a fan.Yeah, of those actions.Of Joel.Of those actions.He was good on Fire Island.
He wrote Fire Island, and he was incredible on Fire Island.
Why did he do what he did to Shannon, Mary?
I don't know him personally.I maybe don't necessarily agree with the way in which he went about it, but I imagine that every story has two sides, and I would be interested to hear what he had to say about it.
Mary follows him on Instagram.
Did you DM him for the videos when he posted DM me for the videos?
I don't know Joel personally I'm just a very big fan of his work and I think he's very a Talented comedian and actor and writer and you don't want to criticize the artist just the man.I don't want to criticize the man Honestly, she loves him.
I do him but his apology I I think that the apology if I was him I wouldn't have apologized
But it's how he apologized that made me lose all respect for him.
Yeah, he should have stuck to it.
Oops, I shouldn't have done that.Do you know what you did?
I don't agree.I don't agree with the personal attack aspect of it, but everybody has their moments.
I think that if Shannon has been allowed to have moments, a lot of people are allowed to have moments where they post things and do things that doesn't necessarily represent them in their best moment.
Shannon is allowed to have moments that don't represent her in her best moments, then why is Joel not allowed to have that?
I think because he said he wants her to suffer.
Again, I don't agree with that.
Like, I don't think that he should have said that, but I will say that in the moment I was kind of gagged.And I think he's very funny.
And not y'all turning Mary into Joel's PR crisis representative.
Joke and booster, I love you.
I'll stand by that.Not that Joel's the only one who does this, but his statement and then his apology gave very much like he is very much main character syndrome.
I guess in the Bravo sphere, I understand how Joel comes off as a villain, but as a fan of his work for a very long time, I don't know.I think Joel's going to be fine.That's my take on it.Of course he's going to be fine.I don't know.
I don't think this is as big of a big career thing as a lot of- Oh, I don't think it's career ruining.
You know what I mean?I just think he might be Bravo ruining.
If I wasn't going to watch the show before, I'm going to watch it now.
I think he should be a housewife. He can be a friend of one season.
I don't know.I love Joel.Joel, I love you.
I put it this way.I wouldn't want to be friends with him.
She loves him.I think it's Debbie in the back.You and Alexis Bellino both follow Joel Kombuster.Let that sit in.
Let that sit in.Do not put me in the same camp as Alexis Bellino.
I have another question.Are you and Alexis teaming up together?What's going on here?
Actually, Alexis and I have had multiple conversations.Alexis, Joel, and I have all thought of ways that we are going to team up about Shannon Bedore.We're taking a trip together.Ultimate girls trip, but just evil people.
I'm going to call it the hate hotel.
The hate hotel.Me and Joel.No, I think Joel's so funny.I think Joel was probably in a moment where he was being mean and joking and it went too far and it didn't land.Sometimes stuff doesn't land.You know what?He's still flying. He's still fine.
Everybody go watch Fire Island.It's a really good movie.
Why?Have I seen Fire Island?It's on Hulu.
It is.It is.It is.It's a Pride and Prejudice remake about gay guys on Fire Island.
It has... Well, you know what Fire Island is, right?Like as an actual or it's called something else, but it's an island off of New York, right?
Somewhere around there, where it's essentially a lot of queer, gay people go there, and it's a lot of sex, hooking up, drugs, and it's a thing that people do.
And they made Pride and Prejudice about it.It's Joel, Joel is Elizabeth, and then Bo and Yang, and then Matt Rogers is in it, a lot of people are in it.
It's a beautiful movie for people of all identities and sexualities to watch.Okay.
Yes.Margaret Cho plays the mom.It's very incredible.I love it. So yeah, I'll always, I'm a Joel girl, I'm sorry.Sorry, Shannon.
No, you don't have to apologize.She's a Joel nerd.I'm a Joel nerd.We allow discourse on this show.Thank you.It's a safe space for people to disagree.
I hold no hatred in my heart towards Shannon Bedore.I think that she has gone through a lot and she doesn't deserve it. And I don't necessarily agree with Joel.
This feels like you're fending off the Shannon.You know what?
Fuck it.Now you're PRing.
Yeah, she's PRing herself.She's like, well, I do also just want to say I don't agree.
Fuck it.Joke and Booster has never done anything wrong in his entire life.Come at me.
We'll put we'll put Mary's Instagram in the bio for you.
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Oh, finish.Well, he also did have it.
All right.He does tell us why he could not.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Anyway, we had we have a lot of fun with them as well.That will be up shortly.Oh, by the way, don't forget that the Going Deeper episode with Jaleel White, you might know him as Steve Urkel, is out now.
And you, if you ever grew up watching any family members or TJ Fridays whatsoever, you would definitely want to listen to this or watch this episode.
And in honor of him, we're dressed up as nerds today.
Yeah, you're kind of giving Urkel, Justin.Justin is very much giving Urkel.Yeah, pull your pants a little bit more.
I can't do impersonations.
Yeah, it's nerd day here in the household, for those of you listening.
Nick really took it a step further with the duct tape.Are those sunglasses that you punched out the glass?
Oh, you punched out the glass?
Yeah, no, I'm committed to the bit.
Wow.As someone who has actually had to tape my glasses just because I couldn't find a screw before.You had to?Yeah, actually.
No, I'm just saying my culture is not your costume.You better take those glasses off right now.
Who else?Megan Thee Stallion, she also finds it to be offensive.
So there's a clip from when she was in high school because she was a nerd and she actively talks about this and basically it's her being like, It's a discrimination to nerds everywhere.Honestly?We're celebrating nerds today.
How about nerds?I mean, I came dressed as myself.I'm a Harry Potter nerd in real life all day.All of this is my own.
Potter nerds would call themselves Potterheads.
Potterheads.I am a Potterhead.Well, do you know what is heartbreaking?What?Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz ended their engagement.
You know who's not heartbroken about it?Who?Jenna Dewan.
Oh, he was the one who wrote ha ha ha ha?
He's the one, yeah.Wait, what?We took it a step further in the petty department.
He posted on his Instagram story, ha ha ha ha.
That's all he posted?The day it was announced, just a black screen, white font, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Aren't they trying to get his money?
Yeah, they're suing him for Magic Mike money.Wow.That's pretty gross.
I think some people need to utilize that little close friends.I think that would save a lot of people's asses.
That 100%, you are right.Yeah, that was a close friends post for sure.
I think he was being tickled by Jenna and happened to have his phone out.No, no, no, no, no.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.This ha, ha, ha went on.
First of all... Can I see it?
If he was being tickled, how did he have that much dexterity in his thumbs?
He did all caps and it went on for forever.That's crazy. At some point while he's writing that, Jenna had to be like, who are you texting?What are you doing?Because it went on for so long.
They both did that together.
Oh, she was over his shoulder.
No, they for sure were looking and they're like, yes, let's one more line.Perfect.
I'm sure she follows him and saw it too.
Back to like, why is he trying to get his money?I mean, I know they were married and everything, but like. Magic Mike has been.They got divorced how long ago?I remember we talked about it.
Well, him and Zoe have been together for three years.
That's the thing.That's what I was confused about because I don't think she worked on Magic Mike.They might have been married during the first one, but like it's like she wants... April 2nd of 2018 is when they announced they were separating.
But she wants like money that I think he didn't disclose for the divorce based off of like what she knows that he made off of Magic Mike.
I could be wrong, but I'm- Which is kind of a traditional, like, when you become famous, prenup conversation.
Well, and also Magic Mike also went to do a live show in Vegas that's making a shit ton of money.
It's still going.They have a kid together.They do.They're co-parenting together.A thousand percent.
Why is he writing ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Yeah, it's like, aren't you just wishing, like, I don't know, for the father of your child to be happy, you know?It's a weird thing to, like, be so, like, it's so funny that the father of your child's, like, engagement ended.
And, like, I don't know Jenna Dewan's personal finances, but I'm pretty sure, like, she's rich.
She's fine. in the grand scheme of things, but I guess anybody could be richer.
Maybe they just didn't like the movie that David Kravitz directed.Bling Twice?
We have to watch that.Is it good?I thought it was a very awesome, original idea.A great depiction of what happens at elite parties without it being this exaggerated, like everyone's in cloaks and masks kind of thing.
It's just like kind of what the rich get up to.It's dark and it's a little uncomfortable, but she did an amazing job, an amazing job for her directorial debut.
Did she break it off, do we know, or are they like joint statement kind of?
There hasn't been a source close.A source close has not confirmed who did the dumping.
I want to see the ex-wife and her husband, fiance's.
Wait, that's right.Shannon Gannon had a whole full-on relationship with someone in between.
And they weren't that engaged.
And they broke up.Then they got back together, broke up again.And then he started dating Zoe.I mean, it's been a minute since him and Jenna.
I think if Jenna and them get money.Almost a decade.I think if they if Jenna gets money out of the magic Mike of it all as a kid of divorce, I think that money should primarily go to the child.That's my take.
Yeah, which I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Channing is taking care of his daughter.
There's definitely some support in there, probably.
But yeah, no, I'm really sad about this breakup because I really liked them as a couple.They were a really hot couple.
They seemed to get each other, you know?I hate that.
Do you think they'd still be able to have a kid together for us?
Just to make more beauty in the world.
Yeah.Yeah.Just like for us, for us.Yeah.I think that's why else are we sad?I mean, we want to see them.More nepo babies they make together.The nepo universe.
A nepo baby has a nepo baby.Wow.We haven't seen levels like that since Billy Lord. Who?Granddaughter of a nepo baby.
Billie Lourd's mom is Carrie Fisher.Carrie Fisher's mom is Debbie Reynolds.
Billie Lourd's mom is Carrie Fisher?
Yeah.Have you not seen her extremely touching?She'll post on the anniversary, Carrie Fisher died a lot.
Obviously, I'm outing myself as not following Billie Lourd.
I love Billie Lourd.I love Carrie Fisher.I love Debbie Reynolds.It's a really good
Where does Debbie Reynolds fit into this?
That's her grandma.Debbie Reynolds is Carrie Fisher's mom.There's actually an amazing movie with Meryl Streep.Halloween Town?Debbie Reynolds was in Halloween Town.Star Wars?
It's Meryl Streep and Shirley MacLaine basically are playing Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds in this movie that Carrie Fisher wrote about her getting sober and having to go back and live with her mom.
And Billie Lourd's an actress too, right?Yeah, she was in Scream Queen.
Is this the same Debbie Reynolds that was at Sarah and Wells' wedding that we hung out with?
Oh my God, but Debbie Ryan's iconic.
Debbie Reynolds wasn't singing in the rain.
You think Debbie Ryan is a grandma to Billy Lord?
I'm just trying to keep up.Nick, do you have a letterbox?
Debbie Ryan's iconic though.A what?Don't download that.
You review movies and you like... It's for movie nerds. Okay, sorry.
Everyone's looking at me like I'm stupid.
I've never heard of Letterboxd.
It's for movie nerds.It is for movie nerds.
If you love movies, you watch a movie, and then you go on Letterboxd, you can give it however many stars or whatever you want, and then you can leave a little review, and you can look at everyone else's reviews.
You can follow your friends, see what movies they watch.
It's social media for people that are obsessed with movies.How is this different than Rotten Tomato?These are normal people.Rotten Tomatoes, you would think, are people who know what they're talking about, but this is the social media. version of it.
Isn't Rotten Tomatoes that too?
I don't trust Rotten Tomatoes though.
Yeah, I don't trust it.Well, they have a critic score and then they have like a normie score.
Yeah, it's basically if the normie score was like an app.
Did you see that the Menendez brothers might be home by Thanksgiving?
Well, that's what their lawyer is hoping for.I was just, the most shocking part of this story was realizing that Mark Geragos, he was in his 30s. when he was defending them back in the day.Yeah, around 35, I believe.
He looked every bit of 60 back then.
I think that was just the style.
Maybe.I'm not trying to age shame or anything like that.I think we just aged differently back in the day.
Oh, yeah.If you look at a yearbook from the 80s, everybody looks like they're taking their employee photo.
We've talked about this, though, because little kids now look so much older.
So I think we just look older in different versions.
It's Gen X?Babe, I'm a millennial.
I'm a senior millennial.I'm the first.I'm patient zero millennial.
Okay, so it's like Gen X aging badly, and then millennial... Sunscreen was created, so millennials have the sunscreen kind of.
Oh, and preservatives.I think we eat the right amount of preservatives.Microplastics.And then now I think Gen Z is... Full organic.
Well, more Gen Alpha.No, I think they're all processed food babies.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.Gen Alpha.More Gen Alpha.
Gen Z, we're still a little normal.
It's Jennifer Alpha.She is, she's aging them the same way that Gen X was aging them.
But I feel like it's like the organic food, no preservatives, no nothing.For who?For Jen Alpha, and that's why y'all are a little dirty.
But they're filled with microplastics.
Sometimes you need to eat a honey bun, you know?Thank you.
Oh my God, are those still a thing?Those were all the craze when I was in high school.
They're at every gas station everywhere.My economics teacher would tell me that there was well fat in them.
That's what makes them so good.
I'm also joking about the preservatives.I don't know that for a fact.I'm just thinking about that.
That's my scientific assumption.
You guys, we're only dressed up as nerds.Someone's going to be like, yeah, we're not actual nerds.
PSA, I appreciate you all listening to this show.I hope you're not coming to the show for any facts.
Or information.Someone did DM me and say you should put me through law school though, because of what I said last episode.
What did you say last episode?
Where you were like, he's petitioning.And I was like, well, so it means it's up to the court.And you guys were like, no, no, no, no, no, no.And then the definition was literally what I said, just in more specific terms.
You're the smartest one on the couch.
They said you should put me through court so that I can be the consultant.Law school?Law school.
So you want to leave the vile files and go to law school?
Why can't I do it simultaneously?A little paralegal action?
You can be Erin Brockovich.
I would never, for the record.I can't do that.On the topic of snacks, though, I'm not going to let this die.
Give me your Timbit or whatever the fuck it is called.I don't know.
Okay, okay.So basically, one of our lovely listeners, Danny Jackson from Australia, heard our Tim Tam conversation.Thank you, Danny.Sent us a box of Australian snacks.In front of us, I have the Vegemite on toast and Tim Tam.
So for sure you're trying- I'm not eating the Vegemite.Can you at least fake it?No.Like act like you're eating it.
I think I've had it before.
But you don't know.It looks not for me.Just give it a little nib.Grab a Tim Tam and a Vegemite.What's on it?The Tim Tam you'll for sure love.That's pure chocolate and biscuit.
Yeah, so do the toast first.
And he still took the smallest bite of a Tim Tam.
It tastes like a Kit Kat.Yeah, kind of.Okay, well, I'm going to try the Vegemite.
I'll try the Vegemite too.Oh, the Vegemite is really salty.Yeah, I'm good on that.
Oh, whoa.Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I don't mind the Vegemite.
I think you might have just only gotten toast.
No, I actually got the salt.You look like you're good.
Oh, my God.It's so salty.Yeah.Not a bite.Because I had a squidward.
For my Australian people out there, give it back.Tim Tim.
Tim Tim's good.The Vegemite tastes like if you took a top ramen packet of seasoning and like dumped it on a piece of toast.
Look, look at this giant taste.
It tastes like soy sauce.You look sick.
Soy sauce?You do.Are you okay?I'm good.
Keep chewing.Keep on chewing.
He looks away.That's good.
You're getting more and more dehydrated as you eat this.
This is very salty, I will say.
And our lovely Australians eat this in the morning?This is like a breakfast food?
I'm not educated, but every show that I've seen, Bachelor-esque, that takes place in Australia, it's always Vegemite.
Wait, isn't that I Love Lucy?Vegemite.Vegemite.Vegemite.Vegemite.Yeah.
Kind of burns the tongue.
That one's not for me, but the Tim Tams are great.
Tim Tams are good, though.We have a whole pack for you, Nick, to take home.Another topic.Did you see that if your airline is delayed by three hours for domestic flights or six hours for international flights, you can get a refund?Cash refund.
That's crazy. Yeah.A full refund?So this was just made active recently.And basically, what I said, if your flight is delayed, the flights are required to give you a cash refund.
But do you still get on the flight?
I understand it as you either choose the flight or you choose the refund.
Right.So if your flight's delayed three and a half hours, you can just opt out.
Yeah, I would assume.But who would do that?I would do it.I would take the money and just get a cheaper flight later. What if it's not cheaper?And what if you have a place to be?
What if it's more expensive?
I would take the refund and be like, you set me up, give me more.
Justin has incredible follow through.I will say that.I would say, wait a minute.
Even to his own demise.Yeah.We've learned.
Do you have the heart of a scammer?
I just get what I'm, I'm anti.
The perseverance of a scammer, like you would make a great scammer if that's what you chose to do, but you've gone down a good path.
And Nick is, for the people listening, Nick is saying this because on Plus I told him how I had a war with Black and Decker.Yes, I had a war with Black and Decker because they scammed me and I reported them to the Better Business
He got in a fight with Black and Decker when all he had to do was just reach out to Amazon.And I did, but I also got compensated through Black and Decker too.Four months later.Yeah, sure.That is true.
Did you get compensated by Amazon as well?Yeah.So you did scam.
I did scam.Wait, you got a double dip? You gotta pay up twice.
You failed us.I didn't scam.Disclose that information, Justin.I didn't scam.Amazon was like, here's a refund so you can buy the piece.I bought the piece, but because I reported Black and Decker to Better Business Bureau, they were like... The BBB?
The BBB.They basically were like, you know what?We're gonna refund the money you spent on that piece.So I got like... Double.No, I just got the money back.So basically, I didn't spend anything.I got what Amazon gave me.
What did you get?You made money.
No.Well, yeah, I didn't make money.
Well, I had to buy the piece anyways.I had to buy the piece.It just was not as expensive.
Do you think if you had all the resources in the world, you could be dangerous and in a good way?
You could you be a fixer?I would reallocate.Like if I were a billionaire and I was like, you know what I need in my life?I need a fixer.You know, like every like rich person has a person who like fixes things and like does things behind the scenes.
Well, no, you're the fixer.
How much are you paying?Did you watch Scandal?Unlimited.I watched Scandal on How to Go to Theater.
So, like his Olivia Pope.
Olivia Pope was the reason I wanted to go to law school.You want to go to law school?No, I wanted to.I rested my case.Oh. No longer.
Yeah.What?Like it's hard?
Yeah.Anyways, we were talking about the airlines before and Nick raised a point that it was like, if you get the refund and still get to take the flight, then every corporation would just like send the flight off regardless if it was safe or not.
Corbin America, I don't think they care about us.
So real.You think?That's probably true.I did chase one of our neighbors yesterday.Oh, for what?Oh my God.
We have the video.See, that's the thing.It's always the footage, I will say.Should we post this?Maybe.I want to hear it first.
It was around 3.50 in the afternoon, and I said, River, let's go check the mail, honey.And we go outside, we check the mail, we go back inside.10 minutes later, Nick texts like, oh, I'm almost home.
So I'm like, oh, Rivi, let's go greet daddy out front.We go outside.There is the biggest pile of shit on our driveway. I honestly could have been human.It was the biggest, it was crazy.It was the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life.
And I was like, did someone just come and shit on our driveway?And then I thought it was, did you tell the story about the woman at the park?Anyways, I thought it was the woman from the park who was like, followed you home.
Followed us home and put, yeah.So then I'm like, who?So then I check our camera.
It was on the grass or it was on the actual pavement?
Yes, like my car would have backed up and would have, psh, everywhere. So then I check our cameras.I couldn't see it from the camera angle.It was in a weird spot, you know what I'm saying?
So I go to my neighbor, who has a clear, direct view of our driveway, and I'm like, listen, buddy, I need your camera footage.So we're looking through, and it's a man with two golden retrievers.
and he lets his golden retriever take a dump, and then he realizes that the dog's taking a dump, and he looks away, looks at the camera, and then is like, I'm gonna act like I don't know this is happening.So he's looking around, scratching his head.
The other dog then goes around and smells it, and then he walks off. and leaves.
While wearing a neon orange jacket and a green hat with two golden retrievers, bitch.So I'm like, oh, you're going to be easy to fucking spot.So then I'm like, now he gets in her car.I need to get in my car.I need to go find this man.
I was driving around the block looking for this man.
I think he like, I think he must have lived close and ran into his house.But I know what he looks like.And I know what his dogs look like.And I won't let this die.Where did the turd go?
So whenever I was talking to my neighbor, he had a friend who was like walking up to the house.And I was like, will you grab? Because you don't want to roll it over.
You're chasing.You're busy.I was busy.
I was working.And so then this friend comes over and he picks it up and puts it in the trash can.And then Nick pulled up as soon as he put it in the trash can.And my neighbor was like, oh, we should have shown Nick.
And I was like, no, I believe you guys. Big piece of shit.I respect that though.
You're giving Claire Dunphy in this moment.Yes.It's very Claire Dunphy.Who's Claire?Modern Family.Claire's Modern Family?
Sarah's mom on the show, Julie Bowen.Julie Bowen.
But that's a good thing.Yeah.Okay.
I feel like, I keep saying Karen-era, but I don't think it's Karen because it's not like I'll talk to your manager.
You're like her daughter, Julie.I don't think she's Karen either.
I'm not like, I'll talk to your manager.I'm like, I'll fuck you up.
Nick called me a Karen too.
It's fairness.It's just like, you know, like whatever.
I think Karen is more like if you're in the wrong in an overreaction situation, like that person at the park who we told this story on Plus, but like, yeah, we were at the park and some lady came up.I don't even want to.
She went out of her way to address.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.It was it was ridiculous.
But no, she said, my son wants to play here.
and wanted us to move with our dogs.And I was like, ma'am, this is a large park, please find somewhere else to play.Like, that's ridiculous.
But where we have blankets out, we have our baby, we're throwing fetch with our dogs, and you want us to pack up and move?Sorry.But I felt like that was a Karen moment.She was the Karen.
She was definitely the Karen.She brought up the law.
That's what I think.If you bring up the law or rules, you're the Karen.
Absolutely.It's very Lisa, what we call Lisa Barlow a Karen.
Yes, but I respect her Karen because she's using... Why are you so obsessed with Lisa Barlow?I'm not, I just respect her knowledge of using the law.
As a former person who wanted to go to law school, Justin appreciates her knowledge of the law.
I respect her because she overreacts, and I acknowledge that's her.Okay.Also, her and Sutton recently spoke out to Haiyu about their support of the LGBTQIA community, and I very much respect that too.For sure.
She has a lot of glorifying parts of her personality.
Most Karens don't.But also, someone pooping and not scooping it,
I mean, we felt targeted.I did.
And then I was like, I wonder if like maybe he left and he's like going to come back with a bag, like drop the dogs off.Maybe he didn't have a poop bag with him.Right.I'm like giving him all the benefit of the doubt that I'm watching.
He never shows back up.He never shows back up.And I'd be like, oh, it's not there.If that were me.
I would've knocked on the door, and I would've been like, I'm so sorry, I don't have any bags, my dog just took a giant shit in your driveway, and I'm gonna run home, but if you don't have a bag, I'm gonna run home, I'm gonna pick it up.
But he disappeared, and now I know what he looks like, and now I know what his, yes, the look around, the look in the camera is crazy.
You can move your dog over to the side, letting him do it on the driveway, not the grass, also unhinged.
Exactly.It was, it was, uh, yeah, it was a moment where I was like, I won't let this die.I also chased a solicitor the other day because I have a sign that says no soliciting and they knocked and they, they came to the door and it was a dog barked.
No, it wasn't not a girl scout, a girl scout.I would have let it pass.It was someone being like, Oh, thank God. I am one for the children.Hello.
It was someone being like, you know, Oh, if you're looking to sell your house, we have people who want to buy.I don't give a fuck.I'm not sure.If I, if I wanted to sell my house, bitch, I'd have a for sale sign.Okay.
And, and they come to the door, the dogs bark.It wakes up my baby.Now I'm pissed.Now I'm angry.I have a crying baby.I go outside and she's like, ah, do you have a question?And I was like, I actually do have a question.
I have a sign that says no soliciting.And yet someone still came up to my door and solicited. And they're like, oh, we're just trying to do our job.I get it, but like.
Children can't read, but you can.
Maybe let's not go to the front doors of people who have signs.So I am I'm those things that are starting to piss me off as a mother and the people who speed through the neighborhood.I've been.
That's literally the episode of our family that I was talking about.What is it?Slowly driving.You can't see.Yeah, that Phil's trying to sell a house to this woman who, like, keeps speeding through the driveway and like and Claire is so mad.
She's in the street chasing down the car.
Y'all need to watch Modern Family.
I'm gonna send you that episode for sure.Please do.
Yeah, that's me.I'm like, there's kids here!As people like speed by.
I actually respect the ignoring the no soliciting sign as a former salesperson.Respect or ignore it.
He respects the ignoring.
If they're children.No.I mean, listen.You can't call?
Cold calls exist?I want a no soliciting sign.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.I do agree with that.You got to have thick skin if you're going to knock on some doors.
But I also understand, like, I am an influencer.I'm soliciting to people who honestly probably don't want to be solicited some of the time.That's different.It is different.Thank you.It is different.
You can close Instagram.It's harder to close a door than move my house.
They don't have to follow you.You know what?
Unfollowing is a lot cheaper than moving.That's so true.
To be fair, you don't have to follow Natalie to see her.She's just like Colostrum.
Period.Literally.Period.I'm trying to let the people know.You're on every other slide.This shit's good.
Southern Charm is also good for the new season.
Very excited, it's coming, when's it come out?December?December 5th.Yeah, we'll be talking about that.And what's his name's ex, Sexter's on it?
Well, so we have new cast members, Sally Carson and Molly O'Connell as friends.
Why does the name Sally Carson sound familiar?Was she on Bachelor?Was that the girl on Clayton season who left day one?
One of them's on The Bachelor, so I think it is Sally.That her?The one who showed up, showed up again for Paradise Left again?
She was on Clayton's season of The Bachelor.What?Nice callback.
She's from Charleston.Do you think she's going to show up and leave again?
Is she the sexter?No, I think she might be the one that hooks up with Jesse.Somebody hooks up with Jesse Solomon this season. I'm on the wrong show, I'm on the wrong show, I'm on the wrong show.
But they do have crossovers.
So basically Molly used to sex Craig back in the day.Craig is dating Paige Summerhouse.So there was a crossover.
And this is like Molly's storyline, as I used to say.
Molly used to sex with Craig.She wants to go toe to toe with Paige Disorbo.She's in the trailer saying, it's not like I'm going to steal him away from Paige.
Do you think Paige cares?Paige gives zero fucks.
Paige is too powerful.She's like, OK, next.
Paige is the type of bitch that's like, if you could take him, he can leave.I never watched any of these shows.
I guess your nudes couldn't close the deal.
But I know who Paige Disorbo is.
She'll snap a finger and go.
Do we think Paige should have been a housewife instead of Brynn?
I've been seeing that, and I would love that, but I'm also kind of like, I still feel like Paige is too young, versus like with the other women, even though she is kind of, Erin's 30.
How old is Paige?How old is Paige?
She's like 33.Early 30s?So Raquel, when she joined from New Jersey, wasn't she in her young, or young 30s, late 20s?
I feel like the youngest housewife was like 38.
She's the youngest.Brynn is 38.Rachel Buddha.
Brynn is 38.How old's Rachel Buddha?
Rachel Buddha's 33, but she joined like 30 or 29.Brynn looks good.
Okay.So she's the youngest all-time housewife.So Paige could have been.
But I would have loved Paige on Housewives, to be honest.Yeah.She'd bring like the nice, the humor, that wit, that like lightheartedness, or like, oh my god, you guys, stop taking yourself so seriously.
Yeah, her and Jenna would have a really good, like, fashion.Yeah.
But I, not, we'll get into that.I just feel like there's too much getting along.Yeah. Honestly, they all seem lovely.The cast of Roni, it's just like they all seem kind of like nice and normal and cool.And I want to be friends with all of them.
And it's just like... They seem like real people.Yeah.
They need to be monsters.
Yeah.It's like classy in a way.
Well, we were kind of talking about that before we started filming because the original Roni, the whole like appeal of it was that these women were so rich and so like aloof about it that like the edits kind of almost made fun of how wealthy and out of touch they are.
Where is this cast is very grounded but you really don't know outside of Jenna Lyons like who's wealthy like what ball field for playing and you know what I mean where is like we had Sonia Morgan who is from like the Morgan family married into the Morgan family you have Ramona who's completely delusional and who was a countess like where is this cast miss those days you know what I mean in this cast were like.
I'm doing good, I don't know how much better you're doing than me.
Early emotional moments where you're really endeared to them, just like this episode, her mom passing, it's just like, I don't wanna... I wanna see that.I don't wanna be mean to any one of these people.Oh, yeah.
Not even mean, but it's just like, they make it too easy to wanna see the good in this entire cast.Fair.
Yeah, I think they're trying to do something different, which is like, actual like you actually want to be these people instead of like you want to kind of make fun of these people which I feel like is what Housewives does a lot.
Actual aspirational.They're trying to do now what they were trying to do with Leah McSweeney with the Yoji cast which is bringing in younger less like uber rich people but more realistic people and then Leah McSweeney.
I love Leah McSweeney.I love Leah.
But you know what I think we do all love just like a big character on Housewives, especially Rihanna, following Bronwyn.
Yeah, dude.What a big day for Bronwyn.They share the same quote.
They share the same Instagram page now.
Cool celebrity that follows you?Nick Viall.That can't be possible.Do I follow you?
I'm gonna unfollow right now.
Who's the coolest person that follows you, Nick?
Ryan Reynolds, that is a good one.That's a really good one.
I may have went like, ah!
I do think you cried a little, actually.
He was not walking around, he was floating, gliding on cloud nine.Me?
You wanna be friends with me?You like my content?Did you screenshot?No.
Has he viewed any of your stories? You haven't checked?I don't know how to check that.Somebody else does that for me.
I haven't posted on my own Instagram in years.
I have a handful of times checked to see if he unfollowed me.That's why I said screenshot.
And he's paranoid.He's like, was it real?
I was just like, you know, I'm definitely afraid.I've been followed and unfollowed before.It happens all the time.And I just was, you know, just.
So what I need to know is every Instagram post going forward for Ryan Reynolds.
Justin did on Final Countdown.
There's trap for Ryan Reynolds.
Wearing his Deadpool. That's so funny.
We're happy for you, Meg.That's actually a perfect opportunity for Halloween.You should have been Deadpool.
Congratulations to Whitney of Secret Lives.She had her new baby.She had a baby.
Congratulations to Billie Jean Leavitt.
Billie Jean.Billie Jean, what a name.
That is, yeah, that is Michael Jackson's.
And then what, her and Whitney, other Whitney?
Yeah, so there's a movie coming out, a 24, I mess up the pronunciation, Heretic?
Heretic?Isn't it Heretic?
What's it, because that's like, it's a... Well, Heretic is someone who like... Sins or something?
So basically, A24 has a movie coming out, Heretic, and they're hosting two separate competing screenings of the film, battling of the Whitneys.So one Whitney from Mormon Eyes will be at it, one Whitney from Salt Lake City will be at the other one.
Who do we think's gonna win?
Salt Lake City.Salt Lake City.
Heretic is a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.There we go.
So it's connection to Mormonism.It's about a Mormon heretic, I think. These two Whitneys could not be more different.One is tightly wound, and the other one is kind of like... A lot of people compared them.
I mean, if I had to choose, I'd go to Whitney Rose's in a heartbeam.
A lot of people said it was the bob that made them act the way they do.
They seem like very different type of personalities.Oh, I agree.But some would say that Whitney, Mormon Wives Now, is Whitney when she started back then.
Whitney has had like a huge transformation.
Really, you know, a healing journey.
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G-A-I-N.com backslash V-I-A-L-L for 20% off and make sure to use our promo code V-I-A-L-L so they know we sent you.Well, Dani, Whitney, welcome to the show.
It's great to be with you.I haven't seen you in a while.How long has it been?Years.
Like, since you're on the show?Five, six years?
But when you walked in, I'm like, my wife Nellie's gonna come.And Whitney was like, you're married?
Thanks for the follow Mind blown but that's awesome.
Congratulations Danny, how you been fantastic?How's the dancing gone?It's amazing.Yeah, so fun Just learning new stuff every day all day long.
My brain feels like mashed potatoes half half the week So is the worst day the first day after the next week hundred percent fucking another dance Yeah, Wednesday afternoon is like a very... Wednesday and Thursday are very stressful for me.
What was more stressful, dancing or Special Forces?Ooh, that's a good question.Are you serious?You're contemplating?
I would say... Special Forces is insane.
It's a different level of stress, though.
Like, I am not even close to a Navy SEAL.Like, not even close.
Yeah, I think dancing is more stressful.No!Why didn't you win Special Forces, Dani? What an amazing experience that was.It was incredible.I went out there just to jump out of helicopters.You crushed it.And do the fun stuff.The missions were great.
I tore my rotator cuff fighting Dwight.That's right, yeah.You tore it?I tore my rotator and my bicep tendon.
Like they mentioned you had an injury, but they kind of were like, yeah, he's going to hurt.I kept it under wraps.And I told the producers, I was like, listen, I could leave right now and feel amazing.Or I could try to stick it out.
And they're like, we'll alter the last couple of things.And I show up to the last mission, and I had to wear a 15 pound weighted vest and swim across this lagoon.And I'm like, You guys didn't change anything.You actually made it harder for me.
Yeah, a hundred percent.And I, you know, I just sucked it up, got through it.And then the last night was the torture scene.I had to have my arms on the wall.
for like six hours and I eventually just couldn't hold my arm up anymore and I'm like all right.Oh yeah you had to do the torn rotator cuff.Yeah I started smelling the cheeseburgers from the production next door and I'm like yeah.
We were filming in New Zealand and like every mission we went on we drove through town Yeah.So we were driving through, like, society.
Like all these restaurants and people outside.And that was the worst part.I was so like I was telling Danny before we started, like the hardest part of I'm a picky eater and they they feed you prison food.Yeah.I don't know how.Wow.
So you did Special Forces.
Just catching up.OK.Got it.
Yeah, I know, you don't follow me, it's cool.
Nick won Special Forces, or he completed Special Forces.You completed, you passed it, good job.That's intense.
I went like four more hours than Danny, basically.I also didn't have a torn rotator cuff, so it was a little dirty.
What was your craziest mission that you did there in your mind?
Well, it was the, we had this boat race that they kind of made up.It was like the equivalent of the, when you guys pushed the Jeep, and it was like what felt like four miles of them just like you going full.
Yeah, you had to carry it.
you're going maximum effort for the whole time.That was tough, and I was like, we did well, so I was like, my adrenaline was high, but that completed my tank.And then that night, we had to fight.
And then the next day, they woke us up and did a bee sting.It was freezing out.And they did one of those courses, and we had to just sit in freezing water, and that's when I got hypothermic, and that just fucked me up.
And I was about to quit, and I just suffered for three days.
Just trying to finish, yeah.
Wow.Did you watch your season back?
I did, yeah.As they came out, I watched them.
Did you feel like it was a lot harder that you experienced in watching it?
Yeah, it didn't depict the level of stress and depletion.They didn't feed you.It was very stressful and it didn't portray on film as much as it did out in the middle of the desert.
Part of what was difficult was just like, it was 18, like it was just long days and you can't, that what's made it so hard is that like everything lasted forever.
And it's a 45 minute show.
And then they show a two minute clip of you like pushing a Jeep and you're like, we did that for three hours.
That's crazy.But dancing, yeah, it's a different type of stress. It is for me, the whole performance aspect is what I'm learning the most, like encompassing facial and posture and actually getting emotionally locked into each dance.
The footwork, I can get down.It's everything else that's kind of been a struggle or been a challenge.So that's where I'm really kind of trying to hone in and obviously take notes from Whitney and then some of the other guys on the show too.
In the nicest way possible, you're surprisingly very good.
I mean, like every dance, you get better and better, which I guess is the point of it.
But yeah, yeah.I feel like he is getting better and better, which is, yeah, exactly.Like the point of the show is taking somebody that doesn't have any dance experience at all.So I feel like there are some really good dancers.
But the fact that he's like keeping up is just a testament to, you know, how hard we actually really, really work.
PETA.It was a double elimination.Nancy Kerrigan, the Olympic gold medalist.
Was I on that season?I was a pro, yeah?Yeah, I think you were.Who was my celeb?Do you remember?We're going to have to look back in the archives.
Yeah, I was definitely on.I can't remember who I had though.
I think you were early elimination though.
K. Yeah.Oh, that was a special one.Danny, you've never seen that film.
I haven't seen that film.Yeah.
Well, Danny, since you're a professional football player, we do this thing called Vive vs Stats every week, and we figured maybe you could like I'm always solo every week picking games while the rest of the team has partners in crime.
So you guys down to play Vive vs Stats with us? Let's do it.
Whitney, you got this.Yeah, I got it.
I'll just play on.Well, the Packers is Nick's team.Do you have a team that you root for?
No, I don't.Yeah, I played for seven teams.
Wait, wait, let me see if I can get... You played for the Rams.You played for the Patriots.Yeah.
All right, well, five more, so we'll be here all night.
So I started out in Dallas.
Undrafted, free agent to Dallas, was on practice squad for a year.Damn.Got cut, went to Philly for a cup of coffee, went through camp there, got cut, put on practice squad, beginning of my second year.Then I got picked up in St.
Louis for the Rams, ended up being there for four years.Okay, yeah.Kind of got a role there, kind of broke into the league there. And then got a contract in New England, stayed there for five years.And then went to Miami, Detroit, and then Houston.
And then I coached for the Raiders last year.So that's the eighth squad.Do you want to maybe get into coaching? I thought I did, and I'll always have that.My father's a football coach, and it's the only thing I've ever known.It was great.
The hours are gnarly.In my life right now, I don't want to spend 16 hours a day in the office.Maybe in the future.Yeah, in the future, later down the line.
The first time I remember, like, knowing who you were, you played for the Rams.And I wonder if you remember, it was a game, and I think you, like, broke your collarbone or something, and you, like, slammed your helmet on the sideline.
I'm like, this motherfucker's a badass.
I remember that game, like, this motherfucker's really cool.
Yeah, we played, that was a Thursday night game versus the Cardinals, and it was, I was going into my contract year, and it was, like, I was having a good season, kind of beat up the year, and I was really, I really needed to get a contract that year so I could kind of, like,
you know, take care of my family.And, you know, it was the next big step in my career.And I separated my chest.
Yeah, in rehearsals, I'm like, get your chest out.He's like, I literally can't.Like, I broke my sternum.I'm like, okay, so you're a robot.
And it's like, how do you tell that? to the judges, like, fixed your posture?He's like, no, but I can't.So can you grade me on, like, just not being able to?
Yeah, Bruno's not gonna give a shit.They don't know.Yeah.Yeah.And, like, he's got, like, a plate in his foot.I'm like, point your foot.He's like, I literally can't.It's metal.
It's fused.All right, well, let's do some Vibe vs. Stats.Take it away, Mary.
All right, we have a very special edition of Vibe vs. Stats this week.It is a mascot dance-off. Okay, this week we have the Arizona Cardinals.Sorry, sorry to bring the Arizona Cardinals back up.
We have their mascot Big Red versus the Chicago Bears with Mr. Chicago himself, Staley Da Bear.He is swaggy.I love this guy.
This bear with the sunglasses and this tuxedo.
He is super swaggy.Wow. How this is going to work is I'm going to show a video of each mascot dancing.And with dancing knowledge, Vibes is going to decide who would win in Dancing with the Stars between these two mascots.
And then, you know, knowledge can be knowledgeable.
I can already tell this is going to be good.He's going to Dougie.
This is like filmed on someone's Blackberry.
I had an incredible time.
This is at the Rookie Symposium in LA.I love that you know that.
No.I feel like he's not the best Dougie.It's kind of off the music. His feet look a little sloppy.It's not a proper Dougie, that's for sure.Not a proper Doug.Not a proper Doug.Listen, he's got some swag.Yeah.He's got rhythm.We can tell he has rhythm.
He's feeling it.He's into it emotionally.
Yeah, he has rhythm.Yes.The spirit is there.
Yeah.All right.And then we have Staley Da Bear.Love that.
The slow zoom. Oh, I'd die for him.He uses his hips.
Okay, love the footwork.I love how the belly moves.I love the belly and the booty.His belly's connected to his booty. He is absolutely shitting on this Cardinal.
He's got it.Yeah, that was so good.So, yeah, I think, I mean, Chicago's a music town, so.True.He has it in his blood.
The Arizona Cardinals team doesn't really have any vibes, kind of period.Their team history is kind of lame.
They, yeah, they've been struggling the past few years, but, you know.
Formerly up, the Cardinals used to be the Chicago Cardinals.Did you know that?
No, I did not.That's crazy.Oh, so they lost all their vibes when they moved to Arizona?I don't know.
So do you feel like you need to pick the Cardinals because you have some underlying loyalty there?
I don't have any loyalty to the Cardinals.I don't have much loyalty to any team.I love the Patriots because we won some Super Bowls together and I have a brotherhood there.
But I love the Chicago Bears jerseys, so I would definitely pick the Bears in this one.
It's feeling like a vibes choice and I'm with it.I'm with it too, yeah.I think the bear took it.
I wonder where they're playing the game.Yeah, where are they playing?
They're playing in Arizona.
In AZ, yeah.That might be, I might be leaning towards the Cardinals just to win the game and overall stats.I feel like the Cardinals, yeah.I'm feeling big red.I want to go, I think we should go Cardinals. Yeah, they have an experienced quarterback.
Anytime you have a rookie quarterback with Caleb Williams in Chicago, it's going to be tough.He's a great quarterback.It just takes two or three years for a rookie to kind of get acclimated with the NFL. system.
So if I was a betting man, I would go Cardinals for the actual game.
Knowledge is going Cardinals.Would this change your opinion though to watch the Chicago Bears in 1985 do the Super Bowl shuffle?
Absolutely.They were undefeated.That team was so good.
Who is number 72, Nick?Do you remember him?The Fridge.The Fridge.What about 50?You know, 50?Singletary.Yep.And who's this right here?
These are the actual players.
That's Walter Payne.That's Jim McMahon.
Oh my God.Wait, this is incredible.Like, hands down, win.
Is this how you danced before you went on Dancing with the Stars?
Yeah, probably.This is probably actually a little bit better.A little bit better, I'd say, yeah.
I was like, Danny, give me something.Give me anything.
Whitney was like, what do you do?And I'm like, I can do the jerk.
I was like, let me see if I can fit that.
How do you think these guys would go on Dancing with the Stars?
It looks like they got rhythm.You know, they're not afraid to kind of put themselves out there, you know.I think they would do well.I mean, all football players historically have done pretty well on Dancing with the Stars.
Yeah, like they've got great footwork and they're strong and have great work ethic for the most part.So they would kill it.And they know how to shuffle.They know how to shuffle.
Professional football players on Dancing with the Stars have a pretty good track record.Rashad Jennings won five seasons.Donald Drivers won.
Specifically wide receivers.
Calvin Johnson.Yep. Did he win?Calvin got close.Calvin got close.
I think he did it freestyle, so yeah.
Basically what I'm saying, Dan, is you have to beat Joey.The Bachelors always go home the same week, basically.But Joey's doing really well.
You guys have a great fan base, and he is a good dancer.
He's good.He's a good dancer.His Tarzan was legit.
I'm like, okay, let's give him some higher scores than he is.But I have also never seen a dance go as viral as the move that y'all have created.
That was pretty crazy.Yeah, it was.We did not expect it.Like we were just going through our feed and then it kind of just like happened.And Danny was like, are we viral?Or is my algorithm like messed up?I'm like, I think everyone's doing it.
And then everyone started to come to us and we're like,
Great.Yeah, the other night now is like we got to do this move.It's Whitney and Danny.
I have a thigh cramp.I'm still recovering.You guys killed it, though.
Yeah, you guys did kill it.Yeah, but you're supposed to be light and feathery.And I don't know if we were.
No, you did good.It's honestly a lot to do with the girl just arching.Did you have that back pain at all or no?I probably did not.
He was like, now that we've got it down, let's do a couple more takes and really get it perfect.I was like, I have no interest in doing that.
I don't want to get back down on this Marvel floor.I was all taped up after that.That was a hard move.
We actually kind of, we, what do we, when you call it, when you don't do it, when you spot it or what is that?Mark it.We marked it.We marked it a lot of the week.We marked it a lot of the week.My back was kind of sore.
Yeah.My back was messed up.So don't do it too many times.Everybody can be safe out there.
Yeah.For our second game.
For our second game.Okay.To confirm we got, we got knowledge with the Cardinals.
And then we have with the bears.
All right.With our second game, we have the Miami Dolphins.I hate him.He looks.Yeah, Buffalo Bills.And we have game.We have
But if I may introduce to the room TD Air.
This is TD Air.This is their air version of the mascot TD, which is a blow-up version of the dolphin.Is that like when the human is out of town or something?
I don't know how scientifically it works, but I think there's a person in that blow-up too.
Can we do it when it's raining or something?
We do have a video of TD air dancing.
Oh, it's one of those.Yeah.I would love to get one of those suits, man.
It just looks like you're doing more than you actually are.He's just walking.Yeah, but he looks like he looks like he's got up his sleeve.
It looks like a kid with too much sugar.
Yeah, I don't know.I'm not impressed.
We got a turn of events.Yeah.
He jumps on his head and he's from Miami.So he's definitely got Pitbull choreography.He's got he's got Jimmy Buffett choreography.Yeah.
Yeah.Snowflake.Snowflake.
The Dolphins used to have a real live dolphin mascot and then they didn't have enough money to keep it going.
Yeah.I don't even know if Dan Marino stole it.Yeah.
It was just like in an aquarium somewhere and they're like- They had an aquarium, but I think it was like too much money to keep the aquarium going.
Yeah, it doesn't seem ethical.
Ace Ventura cracked that code though.
Yeah.Okay, and then we have with the Buffalo Bills, Billy Buffalo, not to be confused with Buffalo Bill, but two different people.This guy's really scary.Not the serial killer.Not the serial killer.This guy's kind of giving Buffalo Bill.
He recently got a makeover.They gave him a makeover.That looks much better.Yeah.There's a whole video.
Stop scaring the kids.Yeah.
There's a video on Twitter of him like having a spa day and getting a little makeover.And it's like a reveal.Oh, that's cute.Yeah.And sadly, I could not find any videos of him dancing.But I do have.Oh.
Jason Kelce in a Flintstones costume dancing for the bill.Alright, do we feel like that's the same? You know?Okay.I think he's an unofficial mascot.And he knows how to use his knees.
Those knees do move.It must be.
It has to be.Yeah, that was two weeks ago.Yeah.
That was like, I'm going to do as little as possible.
Yeah.See what happens.I mean, the head bouncing for the dolphins really stole the show.
Yeah, that stole the show.For sure.Where are they playing?They're playing in Buffalo.
Yeah.It's going to be kind of cold for the Miamians.
Yeah.Anytime you get a cold weather team going to, or like a hot weather team going to a cold atmosphere, it's tough.Yeah.
Like how do you practice in that?
Are they like- You can't.You can't.Is it tougher to go from warm to cold or- It's the same amount of difficulty, honestly.
When I was in New England, we'd play in Miami real late and we would go in the bubble and we'd all wear like, like hoodies and stuff underneath our pads to kind of simulate what it's going to be like in Miami.Like the humidity and like hot.
One time, one time we, as, as a Patriot, you know, in Foxborough, it was like, we had a snowstorm.It was like 10 degrees outside.We practiced outside. And coach thought we were going to get ready for the playoffs and be ready.
And we go down to Miami and we get the brakes beat off us because it was like, we're all dying.Everybody's getting IVs before the game.Halftime, two IVs.We were so hot, we ended up losing the game.But it's hard to fluctuate atmospheres.
If you're going from cold to hot, hot to cold, it's tough.Yeah, that would be hard.Yeah.
Who do you want to go with, Danny?Stat-wise, I would pick Tua's coming back.You know, Tyreek's hard to cover.You know, Waddle's great, too.I mean, they have a pretty good offense.Electric offense, especially with Tua, you know.
This is his first game back, probably.Second game back, so it'll be... A little bit of a learning curve getting getting him back into game shape because he's been chilling for the past few weeks.
But if I were to pick a team, I would I would say the Dolphins.It's not going to be terribly cold in Buffalo that week, so it would be OK.OK, we're going to go Dolphins.
All right.We're all going Finns.OK, nice.Let's go.
All right.Well, that does it for vibes versus stats.
That's been a pretty good stats, guys.
Pretty good stats, pretty good vibes.So Whitney, what is the initiation process like when you get your new celebrity that you're gonna dance with?
The initiation.Are you like, dance, what can you do?Yeah, first I'm like, what can you do, first of all?And it wasn't much, to be honest.
Nothing, ran a blank slate, a blank slate.
That's true, yeah, we took the positive spin on that.
Very coachable.Willing to learn. So it's a little bit of that, like, you know, show me what you can do.And it was like the jerk and then and then that was it.
I'm a product of Whitney Carson.What's been your favorite dance so far? I think the last two have been fun.The jazz and the contemporary were my favorite so far.It gives you more freedom.
You're not in frame the whole dance, so the jive was fun, lots of movement.The tango, we have another tango this week.
It's something that I had a little bit of a learning curve getting into, obviously, so just staying in frame and keeping that posture.
Usually it's been, I've always been, being a football player, I'm always hunched over and my fight or flight mode is like leaned over my toes.So whenever I get super, I get hunched over.
I'm like, everything you know, do the opposite.It's like all forward.I'm like, you gotta be back all the way.So that's been kind of tricky a little bit.It just takes a little bit more effort.
Was it a coincidence that you and Joey did backflips in the same week?It actually was.We were in the audience for that one and I was like,
And Joey was like telling us he's gonna go backflip, and then we saw you do that, and I was like, Danny's one-upping Joey.You guys are kinda competing for the same vote.You're both like good-looking, athletic, young guys, you know?
Well, during the week, actually, they came in and was like, hey, I heard you guys are doing a backflip.Like, we're doing a backflip.Like, let's just make sure it's not the same.
So we kind of knew going into the show that we both were doing backflips, but we just kinda, we just did it anyway.
Yeah, Operation Blackbird.
Operation Blackbird was that one.Yeah, we named all our lifts and cranks.
So when you were like, what can you do?Did you like, were you like, well, I can do a flip?
That came later.I had to like pull, I have to pull things out of Danny.Like I have to really just try.
I mean, you're an open book, but I got to try to be like, can you do this?Can you do that?I mean, some stuff you probably didn't even know you could do until you tried it.
Like the barrel, the barrel jump you love.
Yeah, the barrel jump is good.Yeah, no, never.I saw that Nacho Libre the other night and I was like, I love the barrel roll now.
I'm like, okay, we're doing it.We're putting it in.You watched Nacho Libre recently?
Yeah, like a couple of weeks ago.And then I got back to the studio and I was like, Whitney, you'll never believe what I saw last night, Nacho Libre.And it was like a pretty good barrel roll.Was it like just on TV or did you like turn it on?
What are your favorite shows?
I love it.I like to watch things that make me dumber.
Not much yeah, not much I don't watch too much TV I watch a movie here and there but how much you keep I mean I know you're not a fan of any specific team, but how much do you keep up with the league in general? Not much, not much.
Just being so consumed with it last year and then my whole life really, I'm kind of interested in doing other things, exploring other avenues of life using the other half of my brain or what's left of it. Just kind of keep it moving.
You do talk about it quite a bit though.People will come in and you guys will talk about the score.
Yeah, when I'm with my boys and I'm watching a game, we get super into it.We're calling out plays and talking penalties and strategy, but shit gets exhausting, man.I'm good. And your boy Tom Brady's calling games now?Yeah, he's doing good, man.
He's getting better.It's a challenge.
Yeah, and it's really hard, too, just to fill the airspace.And I saw the first game he did, and I thought he did amazing, honestly.I usually, when I watch a football game, I have to put it on mute. I can't listen to the commentating whatsoever.
I had to put music on and I kind of just watch it leisurely.But I think he's doing a great job.You know, he's he's good at whatever he does, honestly.So, yeah, he's a he's a he's a winner.He's a winner.
Does he have time to come to the show or no?
We'll see.Maybe the final.Get me to the playoffs, coach.Call him up.
Do you want to call him up now or?Yeah, let's just FaceTime him really quick.Is there a dance you're nervous to do?
Um, you know, I'm open and ready to go every week.You know, I just want to learn.I want to learn the history of each dance.I want to see film from old dancers doing the dance and just kind of learn.And that's why I'm here.That's why I'm doing it.
Really.I just want to, I want to like expand and learn new things and, you know, do cool stuff with what's a, what would be like a dream job for you?
That's a good post NFL career.
I mean, I love to travel.I love to do new things.Obviously, we did the Special Forces thing, a travel show or a travel experience, and somehow getting paid for that would be kind of cool.
You know, I've done a couple of things like that in regards to the NFL with a couple of old teammates, but really fun stuff.Just experience new things, see the world, and meet cool people.
What's the love life like these days?
Ooh, for me, single.Single?Yeah, just happy, peaceful, no stress whatsoever.
Do you want to settle down one day?Are you kind of enjoying it?How old are you?
I'm 38, about to be 39 next week.My dream is to get married and have kids.If you were to ask me when I was 24, 25, what I'd be doing when I was 39, I'd be married, four kids, white picket fence.
But it hasn't really worked out that way, which is great too.Life is awesome.I didn't settle down until 40.
I met Natalie when I was 37, 38.Yeah.
How old are you?I'm 26.Okay.It's a good, it's a good age.A little bit of an age gap.A little bit of an age gap.
A little self-conscious at first.
Yeah.Anytime anyone asks him, I'm always like, let me just show you a photo of him because if I tell you he's 44, you're going to judge me.
How often do you play the game of like, where were you in 2001?Oh, that's my favorite.
I love to show him, like, you know, shows where you watch it.
She's like, how old were you?
You know, like Facebook will be like, your post 10 years ago or five years ago.And it'll be like a cringey post.And I'm like, what were you doing in 2009?And he's like, oh, I was in college.And I'm like, I was writing, I'm bored on Facebook.
Oh my gosh.That's very uncomfortable.
How many kids would you want?I'd love I mean, let's start with one.Yeah, I'd love I'd love to ideally have like three or four kids, you know, have a troop.
See how it goes after two.
Well, someone who also thought he'd be married with kids at like twenty five, twenty six.Yeah.Happened to later in life.Yeah.I've really enjoyed.
Yeah.Life is good, man.I'm super blessed, super happy.I've got to live my dream, and now it's just kind of smooth sailing for me.
That's the thing.Whenever you find it, you'll just be locked in, and you won't have any like, oh, I wish I could have done this.
You've obviously had a great life, an exciting life, and you'll continue to do exciting things, but when that happens, it's like I have a lot of friends who are happily married and have kids, but they
They did that in their late 20s and they're all like, so tell me about your life.I have lots of those.
What are you doing?Go, go, go to sleep, man.
Are you a DM guy?Like, are you checking the DMs?
It's not really, they've been blowing up since we've been on the show.Okay, calm down.But I don't really, I don't really, you know, I'm just so... We're trying, yeah.
He's like, so you want my shirt off for this one too, or you don't?We're trying to get the shirt off.
Right.No, I've really just kind of focused on just being happy and peaceful and doing what I want to do.Yeah.Do you like Austin? Love Austin.I'm obsessed with Austin.
How'd you end up moving there?
So I was in, I was, you know, living in my whatever city I was playing in.And then I was training out here for like eight, nine years.So I lived in Venice for a long time.And then I got sick of the zombies walking around.
And then, so I ended up buying a, I bought a house in 2017 in Austin, fell in love.I'm from Houston originally.So, Texas boy.And then, uh, Austin's amazing.It's active, great food, good music scene, uh, good people.
There's a lake that goes right downtown.So we're on the, we're on the, uh, on the boat every other day.So it's, it's just great, great, healthy living, honestly.
That's awesome.Do you have any friends, like a lot of friends in that area?
Yeah, lots of friends, some from high school, some from college, some that I met, you know, more recently, but a great friend group, you know, very active, you know, we got good gyms and we're always, you know, trying to do things productive and healthy, so.
Is it cold right now, like Texas?
It's, no, it's 90 right now.So would you get in the water right now?
Yeah, yeah, we can get in the water.Would you get in the water in December?
Yeah, we can get in the water 11 months out of the year.
So I was just thinking about that, because I live in Florida now, and I was like.You live in Florida now? I live in Florida now.I was like, if we just didn't have the gators, I'd be in the lake all the time.
Yeah, I'm not messing with the gators.
We kind of mess with the gators a little bit.We don't mess with them, but we still get in the water with the boat.With the boat, because think about it.It's like that huge boat.It's got to scare them off, right?But would you, like, tune, or ski?
Yeah, we surf.What if you fall off, and then you're waiting for the boat to come?
And you get your feet up, and you're kind of like,
Whitney, that's crazy by the way.
I know, I do it all the time.That's crazy.Where in Florida?In Orlando.Oh, Orlando?
Yeah, we live in Lake Nona, but yeah, we love it, but it's just like, that's what I was just thinking about Texas, because I'm like, so many people moved to Texas, but I feel like it gets cold.
No, it doesn't.Well, it does a little bit, but you take the boat out of the water for a week and you can just put it right back in.If you need a wetsuit, you can have one, but I never use a wetsuit.I get in probably 11 months out of the year.
Okay, so you can get in in December.Yeah.
We have lake property in Wisconsin, but freezing.Sadly, you get four months.
You get four months, yeah.
And this is a raging four months, too.
Everybody's out there every single day. That's the one thing I hate about L.A.You love the weather.Weather's amazing, but there's no enthusiasm for it.Everyone's like, yeah, it's nice out in the Midwest.You're like, it's fucking warm.
What's the age gap between them?
Three and then one and a half.So they're they're like two and a half years apart.OK, do you like wild? Is it wild?It's wild, but I also have two really busy, crazy boys.It is crazy how different boys are.I think they really are so different.
And she's nine months, right?Nine months, yeah.Okay, so is she talking yet?She's babbling.Babbling, okay, yeah.I always forget.She's got one tooth.
Crawling?She's scaling on the stuff.She'll be walking shortly.
Yeah, Jet was walking at nine months, and I was like... I walked at nine months.Did you all cheer that on?And then for your second, were you like, get down?No.Yeah, my second one, I was exactly like that.My first one, I was like, he's not walking.
And then my second one, I was like, get back down.Get back down there.Because he was falling off everything.They're crazy.And then they're beat up all the time.
My youngest is going to be... A UFC fighter.A UFC fighter, 100%. He's tough as, he's tough as nail.
Every time I see him, he looks like he just got into like a six round, like beat down.
Did you pretty much play every sport in high school?
Yeah.Baseball and football.
I've got to show you guys this video while you guys are here.
Are they, are your boys playing any?I mean, how old are they?Three?Yeah.
They're golfing a little bit.The oldest is golfing.They both have really good arms, surprisingly.They can throw really hard.I have to show you this video because it just is hilarious.We'll probably do all the Florida sports like tennis and golf.
That's the way to go, honestly.
I'm just scared of football, honestly.The amount of times you've gotten hurt.The one you showed me where you passed out was crazy. How many impressions have you had?
eight or nine.You worry about that?Okay.Just watch this video, but okay.
Watch this small one.Okay.
Can you guys see?Oh, okay.Ready?
This is my life.This is me just like trying not Whitney.No, this is like, this is, and he gets back up and starts laughing.Like for real, he just jumped the chemical in your brain.That's like fear.He doesn't have it.It doesn't have it.
That's like equivalent to like a 30 foot drop.
Yeah.At what point were you like, yeah, that's them.It's fine.Like with your first one, we were like, oh my God.
Yeah, cause River falls and we're like losing our mind.I know.And by fall, I mean she just like falls on her butt.
Right.You're like, you guys are first time parents.Just wait till the second one.And you'll be like, as long as it's not drugs or alcohol, like just fill them up.We're good.
Has that happened yet?No.
This mean you get a lot more lax.
I've heard this story once when I was like three or four there, they took me to a wedding and I went around and like just started sipping.Like, you know, you go to a wedding, people just leave their drinks around and shit.Yeah.
And I went around and started sipping on drinks and I like, I got drunk.
My dad owned a golf course when I was a kid and I like was was up playing in like the pro shop and There was a can of coke.Hello from the south.I'm like obsessed with coke.
So I drink it and it was just full of cigarette ashes If there's anything wrong with me I do blame it on that Yeah, right.Do you recommend that age gap?Like, are you happy with?
I am really happy with that.I think at first it was really hard, just like the newborn and the toddler phase and they're like potty training and all that. But I think it's a good age gap, especially like going into high school and junior high.
I have a lot of nieces that are like that same age gap and they have loved it just because they're they're really close.So I think it'll get better.It's just it's hard right now, but I think it'll get better.Are you guys thinking of another one?
He's one of 11.I'm one of seven.So I think we both want big families.
How was that growing up with 11, bro?Loud.
Loud.I was the second oldest.Okay, yeah.And I have an older sister, and then it was like two sisters after that, and so my closest brother is seven age.I always say I was like an only child with 10 siblings, because I kind of did my own thing.
I was very much in sports.My sisters weren't, so I got a lot of attention.Yeah. I also like had my own room until junior year of high school.Yeah.And then you were out of the house.Yeah, I was kind of out of the house.But yeah, it was loud.
And, you know, you had to wake up or like I eat to stay like I have like the food's about to leave.
So we would say, like, wake the fuck up. up early because it wasn't enough for everyone.She'd buy like one box of Frosted Flakes and be like, first come, first serve.Oh my gosh.
And we were like allowed to have one bowl, but I would be like, well, there's still milk in it.So it's still one bowl.So you'd heat it up and you'd put a little bit more Frosted Flakes.
All those tricks.That's hilarious.
What age did you start playing football?
So my dad's a high school football coach and I loved, you know, I was a ball boy for his team like when I was like eight, nine years old.He wouldn't let me play in tackle football until I was 11.Okay.
Which was in hindsight, really good idea because I mean, kids get just so beat up.
So you would stand by that if you had a boy?
I honestly wouldn't.I would have him in flag football until he's about like 14. And then it kind of depends what position he's playing, but I would have him play flag football until freshman year of high school.
That is good to know.Where are we in the Dancing with the Stars weeks?How many weeks do we have left?
I think we only have three weeks left.I think, yeah.
We have a bye week, don't we?
Yeah, we have a week off for the election, which has never happened before, ever.So we have a week off, off, off, which is crazy.
That makes sense, though, because it's going to be kind of weird.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, to like be dancing and everyone's like trying to figure out what the world is going to be mad.
It's going to be interesting how that plays out.But yeah, and then we'll have three more weeks after that.So. Yeah, it's coming down to the wire, really.Lots of good people left.
So do you pick... I know you come up with choreography, right?Okay, so then do you also pick the songs or is that like produced?
Yeah, we have a music team.We also have a creative team.So the music team will kind of send us options of like, hey, I think this would be great on this show.Do you guys like this song?And then it'll be like X-Nate or You know, we'll come together.
If he hates it and I love it, then I'll try and convince him to do it.Yeah.Or vice versa.But yeah, so there's there's teams to kind of like support and help us in the music decision.Because for me, it's like it's all about the music.
Like I have to love the song, but it also has to fit with the dance style, too.So it's kind of interesting.Like you could love a song, but it doesn't actually fit with the dance style that you have to do that week. So it's kind of tricky.
You're kind of, you know, trying to have that right balance.
It's like, I will always love you with, like, the jive.And you're like, no, I don't really.
Oh, yeah.You're like, that doesn't really work.Yeah.Beat it a little.
This episode will come out next Thursday.This week, how many are eliminated?Do you know?
I think only one.Yeah.I think from here on out, it's only one.
You're not going to be, like, voted off, are you?
I don't think so in my gut, I don't think so.
That relies heavily on my posture for the tango.
That relies heavily on your smile.Because I looked scared every time I danced.
Yeah, what is more important, the facial or the posture?
Oh wait, and that boy walked on the dance floor, right?
I know I yes and I was with Milo that season and we were like for real we for all right now, but it's It's all about really I don't know It just depends on how many fans are voting and I guess a lot of fans are voting right now You I think you have to have a good balance like you got to be a decent dancer, right?
But you also have to charm America.People have to want to vote for you as well.
And they like to see people get better.They like to see the progress.They love that.
They love that.And I think Danny's personality is coming out a little bit more.He has more things to say.We're seeing different sides of him, the vulnerability side, and we're trying to show all sides of him.So I think it's a good balance.
You gotta be a decent dancer and try, right?But you also have to have America love you too.
Do y'all keep up with anyone who has been eliminated?
I haven't really talked to anybody, have you?
Not really.Elimination this season?
They're dead to us.No, I just, I saw, because Brooke Snader posted a TikTok being like, did you see this?Or she's like, when he's breaking up with me, but I had no idea we were together.
Don't know I took from the last time I talked to club things were good, so it could have changed And also like super nice in person this dating life is messy Messy especially when it's you know on TV like then everybody's involved right yeah, so I don't know People vote for you guys
How can people vote for us?
The number is 21523.You can vote up to 10 times.Text Danny.Is it the same number every year?Every year.Yep.Just a different name.
All right, we'll make sure you guys vote for Danny.
And you spell his name D-A-N-N-Y.
If someone misspells it, it doesn't count.His real name is Daniel though, so don't put that, put Danny.I just learned that the other day.
Whitney, what's your middle name?Capri.
From where were you named after you know, I Italy I guess yeah We just love those lunches We appreciate you coming it's been fun so fun to chat with you guys.Good luck the rest of the way It's been so fun watching it watching you.
Maybe the special forces like all-star year.
That'd be would you ever do it again?Oh Yeah, it depends where it is.If it's in a warm weather climate, I'll do it.
In Jordan, in the desert.That's kinda badass.Yeah, it was gnarly, man.It was gnarly.It was like 112, and then it dropped down to like 72 at night, so it was good.And you beat Dwight in a fight.Got him.And he's a giant.Got him.You just exhausted him.
Have you talked about that on... Oh yeah, all the time, yeah.
Once you, when you do special forces, you're trauma bonded to these people.So it's like, you went through the ringer with them.So it's like your brotherhood for life.
Oh, one question before I let you go.Cause I was, one thing I was terrified to do, but we didn't have to do it because we were in New Zealand, like the gas mask.
Oh my gosh, bro.It was the worst pain I've ever felt in my life.It felt like you stuck your face in bacon grease, dude.Your eyes were twisting in your head.It was crazy.
You go into a shipping container, and there's an instructor in there, you have a gas mask on, and then they pop the gas smoke, and then you take your mask off, and then it just engulfs you.And they make you breathe it for a while.
You have to answer three or four questions, then you have to find this bag that's hidden, and then you have to find an alternate exit route, not the door you came in.Like a doggy door.Yeah, you have to find the door.
And then you're, I mean, the only thing you can think about is getting out of the friggin' shipping container.So you're throwing shit around.You have to get the bag and then find the exit.
And then for like the next 10 minutes, your face, like it's so painful.And then 11 minutes after that, you're completely fine.Wow.
You're saying the tango is worse than that.Like, come on.
I was like, I didn't know this until we got done.They told us, they weren't allowed to do it, but every mission I was like,
Don't be the fucking gas Mike Piazza passed out in there ended up break almost breaking his orbital bone They rushed him to the hospital.
Yeah, he like fell on his face Yeah, yeah, Mike was beating the walls and Dwight goes like it sounded like you were fighting an invisible bear in there It was so painful I would never do that show Thank you guys for coming, thanks for having a lot of fun.
Good luck the rest of the way.Thank you.Nice to see you you too Wow, what a great team.
It's a good season of Dancing with the Stars.
Yeah, it is a really great season.I feel like none of the other seasons have been this viral.Is that just me, or have I never been watching?
No, I agree.I was walking through my apartment, and I saw through someone's window Dancing with the Stars, and I was like, hmm.
That's my favorite thing to do, is look through people's window.
Look at my peeping tom couch over here.
I accidentally looked.It was below my unit, and I was like, Dancing with the Stars.
You accidentally, but then realized what they were watching?
You were looking a little longer.
I saw people dancing and flipping, and I was like, that must be Dancing with the Stars.
Question, do we think it's because it's on Disney Plus now?
Possibly.And Hulu.Yeah, and Hulu.
The Hulu Disney Plus merger, so people are watching it.They're watching Agatha all along.They're watching that.
Did you figure out what Carrie Anne said that annoyed people?
No, but apparently she had a rough night last Halloween, the Halloween night.
I don't know.Everyone's just talking about her comments.I don't know.One of them was she gave Chandler, Kenny, who was on our episode,
this week, she was the only one, I guess it was an amazing dance, and she was the only one who talked negative about it, and Chandler was like, can you just tell me what to do?Yeah, I'm sad.
This is after her dig deeper comment.
Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was like you need to this wasn't No one was about her mother when she said that yeah, also cuz like Chandler is like just like really good at dancing Yeah, it's like is are you just picking on her because she's good.I
Yeah, or do you have actual critiques that can help her be a better dancer?
And Carrie-Anne kind of did support Anna Delvey, or not critique her, so it could be the skill thing.
Yeah, the judges are there to stir the pot.What are you going to do?Pascal. It's no longer, what a run though.I think we all thought he was gonna be some kind of more for the bit early on.
Yeah.I think I'm the only delusional person that really thought he had a chance.
No, I actually, I think the more we, the season goes on, I think Joan really, I think Joan liked Pascal the second most.
Yeah, I feel like that's when she kind of found out that like he wasn't fully there yet, not this week, but during hometowns.I think that might've also given her a little bit of comfort.Like if I do choose you,
We don't have to rush into marriage and everything.We can kind of take our time and figure things out. As I said last time, I was like, Chuck, I feel like it's 100% in.Guy also seems very like 100% in.
So I'm also like, I feel like there's a little bit of safety in Pascal where it's like, I don't have to commit to the whole bit.
We haven't talked about guys kissing.
I had to look away, because I don't know.It's really hard.The lips.
It's hard.Nick and I have this thing that we, I call them Phyllis kisses, because it's like he's kissing his grandma.Grandmother.Yeah, and they're just like little like, Yeah, like there's not a lot of effort, not even like a purse.
It's just like a touch.And I'm like, that's a Phyllis kiss.
And sometimes guy, he puckers up like four feet away.He's getting ready.
It's it's honestly, I I talked to my sister this morning and we were talking about. like my mom potentially going on, you know, next season.And we were both like, it's gonna be really hard to watch.
Like she was like, my sister Caroline was like, I can't, I actually won't be watching.She was like, I like to watch mom flirt and kiss.Like I'm not, I can't do that.
Have we put this in motion?
I texted Nick this morning, she made a video being, she has a really great idea for an entrance.
She came up with this idea, and I was like, that's actually pretty good.And then I said, you need to make a video.Because I was like, listen, I'm pretty sure I can get you on.I'm manifesting this to you.
But then also, if anyone is mean to her, you can give it to me, but I'll show up at your front door.
I don't know if I'd be able to deal with that.
And I guess we have Natalie Joy coming in.She's just bombarding on set.
I don't mean Natalie fighting with the entire internet.
Yeah.She's there on filming.Can I get some headphones, please?
I told him to make a video just because it's like, hey, listen, like, you know, Matt James mom is a perfect example.You know, he was she was on the first Golden Bachelorette, but like this is a TV show.
And I was like, listen, if you go on, you want to be more than, you know, Nick's mother in law.Right.You know, like and you want to endear yourself to the producers and you want to show that you are willing to play along and have fun.
And she did the video, I have to send it in.
That negates my point, because I was envisioning she's making it to at least the top four or three, but she's having cold feet or feelings.She's like, I need to talk to someone.
They fly in Nick and you to be the ones to talk to her, kind of like Gary did.
Sure, but keep in mind, Kelsey's dad didn't make it to Hometowns, so it's not a guarantee.
Well, Kelsey's dad is doing just fine, according to the internet.
Yeah, well, I think we have to have a serious conversation about potentially Pascal being your next Golden Bachelor.
Yeah, so- I don't think- I don't think so.
I don't think it is him.That was not a, your next Golden Bachelor exit.That was a like- I'm done.We did a ceremony ritual and it scared me.That's not giving I'm ready to be your next bachelor and find love.
That's true.If you're not ready now, you're not ready.
That's giving I'm not ready for a relationship and I need to like,
We do need to discuss who it will be because a lot of the eligible bachelors have been taken out of the race.
Nick pointed out that- Mark is 58, which is just, it seemed too young for- Mark's meeting Deb from Montreal. Wait, are they dating?
They dressed up as Prince Charming and Cinderella.
And Kelsey commented, so cute, on the post.Yeah, and I've seen multiple photos from that party, and they were by each other's side the whole time.
Well, either way, I don't think he's your next Golden Bachelor.
I don't think so.Well, and then Jordan was seen with Leslie from the Golden Bachelor as well.So it's like, so if he's not there, if Mark's not there, Charles L. or Pascal.Charles L. or nobody.Or Guy or whoever.I don't want to watch a season of Guy.
Obviously cannot be Guy.You don't think so?
with the restraining order.Well, he had all the restraining orders.
So yeah, so not Guy.So Charles, Elle, Pascal, maybe Jonathan.I think it should be Dan.
I'm going to put Dan out there.
Oh, yeah, Dan would be a good one.
And it should be Dan.And I have loved Dan from the start.And it should be him.He's handsome and he has a good story.We should ask your mom who she would want it to be.
She said Pascal.Before the show started, before the show started, when they had just released photos, I sent it to her and I was like, who is like the most attracted? to you, and she said Pascal, and now... I'm here for it.
I don't know where she is now, but I think if she'd watch it, she'd be like, oh my gosh.
Would you want your mom dating Pascal after the scene?
No, it doesn't seem like he's ready for love, and I don't need someone playing with my mom's feelings.I just think he doesn't love Jones.
I think that's kind of what I think too, that I'm kind of like, okay, he went through the entire process and he was like, hey, I'm not ready, I have my walls up, but okay, let's go to hometown and see how you are with my family.
Okay, I can see you a part of my family, I like you, but I'm not feeling that thing."We go to Tahiti.
If I'm on a white sand beach with you and I'm not feeling it, then yeah, I'm going to leave because I'm not going to convince myself or fuck this whole thing up for you, Joan.
We're obsessed with Joan, but to Ciara's point, not everyone is Joan's person.
The part that got me, though, is when he said, I was in a serious relationship where I really loved the person right before this, and then he goes, and then I got here and didn't think I would make it this far.
When I saw you, he said, I saw you and thought I wouldn't make it this far.So then I was like... Well, his daughter signed him up.
Do you really think when you show up to The Bachelor or Golden Bachelorette, I certainly, you know, my only goal was to not go home night one. And I was like, just don't go home night one.
After that, it was, especially when you show up, you're just like, it's a surreal thing to be cast on this show.
But when you lead with like, but I was really in love with someone before, to me that's like, okay, well I kind of knew from the start I didn't really like you.I think he was being honest.He was being honest, for sure, I respect that.
But he's saying that feeling's not being replicated here. You know what I mean?So if he's like, this is what I know, love to be, or how I felt about her, I don't feel that for you.
But it took you to Tahiti to realize that?When was he supposed to figure this out?
Right, he said that he was looking for a spark and he didn't feel it with Joan.It's like, it took you this long to realize you didn't have a spark with Joan?
Tahiti?How much time does he have to spend with her though?
Yeah, the filming is like six weeks tops.
They go to Tahiti, he's like, fine, at a white sand beach, I saw you with my family, my family likes you, so maybe there's something there, but for him to- You could have known by hometown.
He has spent maybe- He's talking about a spark?Maybe five hours with Joan.
But he's talking about a spark.Like, when you feel a spark with somebody, isn't that something that you feel pretty immediately?
So, do you expect Pascal to get out of the limo, look at Joan, have a five-minute conversation with her, and then be like, nope, sorry, gotta go?We'll talk out the spark immediately.
Maybe when he whispered in her ear that his walls were coming down after Hometowns, he didn't have to do that.
But maybe that was true.But I feel like Hometowns is the latest that you can be like, OK, I don't like you.Because when you see them interact with their family, that's when you know if you actually like them.
I think it's a little unfair to expect all the contestants on any of these shows to know how they feel about a stranger.
Especially this age group.And then it's like this second, third, whatever chance at love.I'm like, I think it's a little bit more nuanced and complicated.They're not gonna be like, oh, I'm fully in because I just met you and I wanna win.
And they're making friends for the first time in years.It's like a three month process.It's just like, I'm gonna give all these people a little grace.
More thoughts on Roni other than.
Jenna's bit where she was the dad from Clueless was really funny.I really liked her little phone when she just didn't really want to have a conversation with someone.I thought that was great.
Also, Jessa at the Haiyu convention said that the season had to end shortly, shorter than usual when filming because someone was sent to a hotel room and someone was sent on a flight home.So they had to wrap filming early.
Brenna's talked about how she has fight or flight.
And then Brynn was also forcing Rebecca Minkoff to drink.Forcing might not be the right word, but trying to get her to drink.
I think Brynn is not a villain, and they're trying to make her a villain, and I think you need to cast a villain.
I think Brynn is trying to self-edit herself, and it's making her edit as the villain, but it's like, yeah, the way she's talking to a lot of the women is like, I don't know.
I didn't know she was engaged.
Her ex-fiancé was part of her last year storyline.Gideon, yeah.
I felt like I missed something with Erin.I almost missed an episode because I was like, why is she upset with Jenna all of a sudden?
Or something that happened in episode one.
Literally.And Jenna's like, I guess I'm just a bad friend.I'm like, no, you're not.Erin's just being weird.
In reality, they all kind of get along and they're just trying to find drama.
And Brynn's the one creating the drama.
but who bothered me probably more than Brynn this episode, Pavit, Jussel's husband, when he was like, all holidays are made by the card company, don't even get me started on Valentine's Day, who gives a shit?
I'm sorry, but I'm like, in the sense of being a husband, if your wife is into it, and clearly you picked the most high-maintenance woman to be married to, celebrate her birthday, buy her the frickin' cards or the roses.
That's always been his bit, too, though, where he's like, the tuition's too much, can we just go to a different school?Like, I don't wanna have another child that's too expensive.He's a goofball, he's a goofball.
I think he's just hyper, like, money-sensitive, so anything that takes money, he's like, I don't... As he takes his Emirates flight to, like, Dubai to get a frickin' sandwich.
I like both of them, I just don't know... I don't like them together.
Yeah, maybe not the... Like, I think Pavit's great, but, like, Pavit, how long have you been with Jessel that you don't know that she's gonna be really upset if you don't buy her a Chanel handbag?
It's for the TV.He definitely isn't like that.I think he's doing a bit, yeah.It's a bit, yeah, it's a TV thing.
I think it's a bit, but it's a little transparent, I feel like.He's not that good of an actor.
Even her saying that she got a text the day of her party being like, so what do you want for your birthday?Like, I think that really happened and that's who he is.Like, all right, I didn't fucking do anything.I don't care.What do you want?
I'll go buy it.But she's like, no, well, anything that I want takes like a week to get delivered.
In his defense, if they came after me our first season saying, like, I'm cheating on my wife because I went to get a sandwich in a different country, then I would clap back the next season by just being a goofball.That's true.None of this is serious.
You guys are just burning bridges with people.
It's kind of like Seth in Salt Lake, his whole thing of being weird because he doesn't care anymore.Meredith was going through a lot, so he was like, I'm just going to make a fool of myself.
Exactly what's happening.He's just like, my wife wants to do this, fine.I am going to show up and I'm going to say things.
Because they don't get paid.The husbands don't get paid for at least the season.
Abe's also just trying to be Abe, trying to do his thing.
I do really like Abe.I love Abe.I don't know what it is about him, but I really do.
He seems more innocent this season than last season.
Yeah.Well, I think it's also just because Aaron's like, I just like, I cannot follow her train of thought at all this season.I don't know what's going on.
Well it seems like she hates him though this season where I'm like the way that she talks to him and just like about him or like reprimands him I'm like oh no I know that you're mad at him but I feel like this is a conversation that should have happened off camera.
And now we're getting all of this like weird toxic energy between the two of you like them at the coffee shop when like he like accidentally spilled on her and she's like get It was just the reaction.
We were laughing at that.
She was annoyed.She was nagging.The reactions to things where it's not this lighthearted, like, oh my God, I can't believe you did that.It's like, okay, well, you did it again.
It's like Erin's talking about how she's going through a lot, which totally, but at the same time, sigh. Lost her mother.Lost her mom is like planting a tree with her ashes in it and is like dealing with that.
It's like, but Aaron isn't like really communicating that to anyone, but then is mad at Jenna about Jenna's lack of communication.But the entire time she can't even tell Jenna she's mad at her.
Not even Jenna's lack of communication.She specifically said, I'm mad at you because some part of me knows that you believe Brynn, is what she said.So not even Jenna.Yeah.She's a Brynn.
And I'm like, I know site works a lot too, but I'm just like, I feel like Jenna works the most out of anybody on that show too.
So I'm like the idea that y'all are getting upset about like a text message where I'm like, when does she have fucking time?
They're coworkers, they're not friends.And sorry your coworker couldn't text you because she was busy at her other job.Like, I don't know.Yeah.
All right.Well, it's time.The moment y'all have been waiting for.Shannon, the door.
Shannon, welcome to the Vile Files.Let's just clap for Shannon.
We are huge fans.We've been rooting for you all season.Nick has been like dying on the cross for you.
I've heard that and I really appreciate it.
Well, in full disclosure, we, you know, were a little hard on you last season when all that stuff was going down.OK.
Well, I mean, and I deserved it.And and by the way, I appreciate you saying like we're rooting for you, but I want to make it clear.I put myself in this situation, you know, like I got a DUI.
I chose to date someone for much too longer than I should have.So, you know, I put myself there.
You know Shannon, and I'm glad you said that, and I think that's why we love you so much, and why we're rooting for you, because every step of the way, you have been the accountable queen that you seem to be, at least since the debacle that happened, and what's been so frustrating to watch this season,
is that your cast, your ex-boyfriend, all the people surrounding you just won't get out of your way on your healing journey on the way up.And they seem to want to kick you while you're down.
Yeah, I mean, it was really surprising to me how deep it went.And unfortunately, you don't see all of it.There was more, you know.
No, but they have to condense things down and I understand that, you know, being called the C word multiple times and being talked to like, you know, mafia gangster.It's like, who talks that way?
Who called you the C word?
You can guess.You can guess.Camera?Yes.So, you know, so that was hard, but I'll tell you today, I did, I cried a lot when I filmed through the season, but today I feel pretty strong that I'm, you know, it's over and I'm still okay.
Like it didn't kick me down.I'm still moving forward.
That's amazing. Also, if you don't mind me saying, the face is looking fantastic.
I don't care who paid for it.
No, okay, okay.But I did it, like, a few years ago.
Either way, you look great.It's my first time meeting you in person.
It was so 2022, so truly, like, get on board with 2024.
Are you watching this season back?
Well, we have to because we filmed the reunion.Oh, yes, of course.So I had to be prepared.
Well, I guess I heard Heather doesn't watch at all.Emily doesn't.
Oh.Oh, Heather does.She does?She does.It's Emily.Oh, is Heather pretending not to watch?Oh, I don't know.I mean, no, she watches, I think.
We just heard, we heard a rumor, so we don't wanna, that may not be true.
We're not in Heather's home.Yeah.We're not watching.I just, I know that Emily doesn't, and you know, filming is one thing, and you know what you filmed.
For me, watching it is the hardest, because that's when you find out what people say behind your back.
Yeah.And what has been the most difficult thing for you to watch?
camera's comments, you know, just that they're so harsh and she's just so angry and, you know, and I'm over the friendship, you know, it's like I have had the opportunity to step back and analyze this 10-year friendship that we've had.
And there have been so many ups and downs.There's always something I'm doing wrong in her eyes.I'm saying the wrong thing or not doing something.And then in the end, there's the tears and, oh, I'm so sorry.I want to be your friend again.
And I'm not going to go on that roller coaster anymore.
She's trying to get back into your good graces?
No, I'm not saying that.You know, the reunion is something.It didn't go the way that I thought it would go.But no, you know, I am still in therapy and I need to be in healthy relationships.And that friendship is not healthy.
I mean, I think I think it's I think that is very obvious throughout the season.I think we are all shocked to see some of the stuff that Tamara says to and behind your back.What do you feel like?Are you shocked that Gina has been the most loyal?
Oh, absolutely.You know, I it's so weird with her because when I came in to see her at the first scene, there was Heather had her luncheon.And a lot of times this season, I become overwhelmed with emotion when I'm talking to her.
And I just, I feel badly for not accepting her because for a while, right after her divorce, we did spend time together and I really enjoyed her. But I feel badly for everything that I did to her that was unkind.
And, you know, it's it's we have an amazing friendship right now.We really do.And I feel horrible about the stuff that's coming out right now on the show.
As soon as that comes up, you know, you don't I don't want to talk about it because it's going to be on the show.Yeah.So I just you know, I don't want to hurt her.So I just shutting down.You want to blame me for whatever?I'll take on the blame.
Yeah, that's what we said on Reality Recap, is just that it's like Tamra's bringing things to the show that clearly some of these people don't want to talk about on the show.
Absolutely.You're right.But you know what, though?See, I didn't realize I did.When we were in London, I showed Jen that Tamra, you know, had done this background investigation, and that then brought up an old topic.
So what was the old topic?
You know, and I don't even know what it was.There was some lawsuit years ago, and I guess I wasn't involved in it.But, you know, me talking about that all of a sudden sheds light on it.And that isn't that I felt really badly about that.
So I just you know, I'm not people can believe it.Say I investigate whatever.If I'm not getting along with someone, yeah, I will say snarky things like, yeah, let's take her down or I don't want to hear her.
You know, I can't stand her because we're not getting along.But, you know, I don't investigate.I don't I don't even have Siri on my phone.And let's just leave it at that.I don't I don't know where to start.
Like a difference between like Googling a couple of things versus like investigating.
Investigating is like look into stuff.
A whole thing is different.Yeah.Googling some tea and maybe thinking about gossiping is not quite the same.
But I don't like to do that either.I'm sorry.And I'm no saint.Again, I'm not a saint, but I don't like to do that.I think that's going below the belt.
Uh, your ex loves to keep saying how you are so good at making yourself the victim.
And while I, again, haven't known you for that long, you just, again, sound like someone who hasn't been trying to make themselves a victim and has acknowledged their wrongdoing.
And maybe you haven't always done that in the past, but why do you think he's so obsessed with you? That's my question.
You know, I really don't know, because a victim actually is someone who sits back and blames other people and doesn't do anything like I'm still trying to make myself a better person.So I'm not a victim.
And it really, oh, you know, Tamra has put that victim, victim, victim out there for years.And I'm tired of that.I don't know.You know, it's interesting.I got a DM and I never look at the DMs, but I happened to look the other day.
And someone said, I'm sitting next to John Jansen at a restaurant and all he's doing is talking about you.And then she sent me photographs of him and his animated hands and all that.And it's like, yikes.But, you know, I don't know.
Like I wanted to ask Alexis at the reunion, but I didn't have a chance to say. If you sleep in the same bed with John, how many minutes go by before my name is uttered when you wake up?That would be a really good question.I wanted to ask it.Damn it.
You can actually just look at the camera.Yeah.How many minutes go by every morning when you wake up with John before my name is mentioned?
One, maybe answer to five minutes. I mean, in fairness to John, it might be Alexis who brings it up first because she equally seems obsessed.
I don't know.You know, they keep saying for me to move on and I have.I just don't I don't want to talk about them.I don't want to think about this.
You are doing us a favor.We are talking about this. OK, so I want to be clear to anyone, anyone listening.Shannon would talk about anything else other than John and Alexis, but she's doing us a favor.We want the answer.
And that's that's perfectly fine.I mean, that's the thing.When all this is happening, of course, that's going to be the first question anybody asks me.It would be the first question I'd want to answer.
Well, he seems like a bully. your ex to me.I don't I don't want to get in trouble.
You know, it is what it is.I mean, I think I don't think this is about money.I think it's about his, quote, reputation.I mean, the last.Right.How's that going for him?
Yeah, he's ruining it himself.
I did watch What Happens Live and like 10 minutes before I went on I tried to settle it again with him and he came back with if I issue a public statement saying that he was generous during the relationship and that I didn't pay for everything and I'm not alleging that I did just at the beginning I did and that he and that I knew that when he gave me money it was a loan.
but he wants people to think he's a generous person, so.
This sounds like you were being held hostage, and you're holding a newspaper, and there's a gun behind a camera, and you're like, he is generous, he is a good person.
That's what I was gonna say, I kinda wish, I was gonna say, I wish Shannon, honestly, I kinda wish you would've agreed to it, because I kinda wish you would've gone on an Instagram live, and didn't be like, all right, John was super,
generous, you know, like and do and real lean in.I think I kind of wish you would have done that.
He didn't say in what tone you had to say it.
Right.Well, I'm sure it wouldn't be satisfactory.
No.He's him.Right.Right.And that's when I was in the reunion last season. I was so stressed out because it was like, you got to defend me, you got to defend me, da, da, da, da, da.
And when I came back and I went through the list of things that I had said, it wasn't good enough.And I said, whatever I said, it'll never be good enough.
And even though I said X, Y, and Z, we don't know if they're going to put X, Y, and Z on because we filmed for like hours and hours for the reunion.
We have, I feel like, very much had your back with these quote-unquote videos that Alexis wants to keep throwing out.
I think, Nick, you've said it very well of, like, anything you see from that night, you can't imagine it's gonna be like... I'm just like, did you kill someone?
Well, the thing is, I mean, I really, I had a lot to drink.And I was... You made some mistakes.I was 2.4, whatever that... Yeah, it was a lot. And so I don't remember things that happened during that night.
So, yeah, it's it's hard because I've come so far and it's well over a year now, a little over a year.And I just I don't know why bring that up.Like, I don't want to be the David Hasselhoff eating the hamburger video.Yeah.
Because he wants you to suffer, and he's a bully.
I don't know what's on it.We don't care.He says he's not going to release it, so I'm hopeful, because I don't think it would be a good look for him to release it.
It definitely won't make him look any better.
And whatever you did, I'll probably be like, yeah, she was having a bad night.Like, we know that already.You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I mean, it's bad.The whole thing is bad.And I'm so horrified about it.You know, people will be kind to me and they'll say, oh, I had a DUI too.And it's like, yeah, when you were 20, I was flipping 59.
So it's, you know, I tried to lead by example for my kids.So it wasn't a good look.
And you seem appropriately embarrassed.
And when people like us, you know, not that we're trying to let you off the hook, but you know, people, we want to offer you grace and you're very quick to say, Hey, you know, I don't, you know, I did that shit.
I, I'm, you're, you, you've clearly owned your mistake, which is what I don't understand about your peers.Cause they keep acting like you and you have it, which is so bizarre.I don't know how, I don't know if they're not, not listening to you.
Yeah, I don't know.I just, I will say, though, that where I am today, I don't know that I would have got to this point if all the things hadn't happened.I really don't think that I would have.
So, you know, at some point I'll say I'm super grateful for it all.But, you know, it is what it is.And I'm if I can say I'm happy today, that's a good thing.I don't know that I've ever been happier. And I'm by myself.And that's the thing.
I didn't go on a date for a year because I want to know that I will be okay.I want to find that partner.But if I don't, I'm going to be okay by myself because I did it.
Is it me or does it seem like a lot of the men in OC are obsessed with the housewives?Because it seems like Well, you know, you got John, who's now dating, who dated you and now dating Alexis.
And then we have Alexis's ex was seen out to dinner with some other former housewife.They kind of seem like housewife chasers, you know, like.
I don't know.I mean, John, John didn't hadn't watched any episodes when he met me, but I think he did a crash course and watched a lot.But I don't know that.I mean, it's a really small town and I don't go out all that often.
It's just a small town. No, I know, but there's only like five or six housewives.
I mean, I guess maybe over the years, there's more.
But like these guys seem to always find their way into.Yeah.
Yeah.I don't know.I don't know.I just I'm not on the out there in the scene.So I don't really know a lot, a lot about that.
You made a statement on the show that you were saying, like, this is my real life and the women, like, jumped on it.But with everything, I feel like there's so many blurred lines with, like, your ex, your relationships, new co-stars.
How do you... You know, and it kind of makes me mad because there are certain cast mates that might not show you everything, and I do.
So what I meant by that statement was, you know, when the show's over and if I'm not getting along with this person, I cannot speak to them until we film again.Like, you can shut it off. I can't shut it off.I still have a lawsuit.
There are still things going on that I can't just say, okay, we're not filming anymore.I don't have to deal with it for a couple of months.And that's what I meant.
And we love Heather, but it was a bit of a disingenuous comment from Heather because we know Heather.
doesn't want her entire life on this show that's why and i and i and i respected her for it i respected her for trying to have that off-camera moment with terry you know that was like hey don't talk to me that way i know it was a hot mic moment and it's caught its way but i respected her wanting to protect her relationship there right and it's like
To your point, you guys don't film 365 all year round.And so for her to make that comment, especially her, of all people, we know she loves a boundary when it comes to her life and her TV life.And she's not putting her entire life on TV.
She's very clearly selective.We have no problem with that.So it's kind of bullshit for her to call you out for that.
Well, that was just a hard dinner for me.I was so excited to finally, in 10 seasons, I had never hosted an all-cast trip.So it was funny because every time I filmed, I would go, wouldn't it be fun to go to Europe for my 60th birthday?
And so production, it got to be a joke in the end.They would take a bet how many minutes before Shannon brings up that trip.I was lobbying for it all season.And you got it.Yeah, I did.And I came home early.So yeah, it was super great.We love that.
Your co-stars hated it.They seemed to be trying to ruin it.
I think Shannon hated it.Yeah, no, I mean, it was bad.
I hated that that was, like, your birthday trip, and every night it was an attack Shannon night.Every day.Every single day.And so I asked in that last lunch, can we please just... I'm not confronting anybody.I don't want... I have had a hell trip.
I just want to have a nice afternoon.And that didn't happen.So I went home.It must be exhausting.
Joel Kim Booster. Did you like take a baseball bat to his kneecaps or something?Or spit on his face?
No, I was very shocked.I was in the airport, you know, we had wrapped and the last thing that I when I saw him is when we finished filming, he had tears in his eyes. for me and he hugged me.So I really, I don't know what's going on.
And it's, it's hurtful and it's upsetting to me because I always get close to the crew there.I consider them like my family.And in fact, the first night of production, I went into craft services, like, I'm going to get to know you all.
We're going to be together for over three weeks and we're going to become a big family.So I don't know.It's really, Really, it was really hurtful.Where were you when you found out about that post?In the airport.You were in the airport?
In the airport with, you know, some of my cast mates and some of the guys from the show, the men, and with some of the producers, actually.
And what was your first thought?
Like, what's going on?Were the people around you just as shocked?Absolutely.Every single person was.The girls, Giselle, Luann, and Ashley, who I love to death, like we're bonded for life now, but they were really supportive.
Just everyone was surprised.Yeah.
When he apologized, it made him look so much worse, I felt like.
Well, it wasn't.I don't feel when someone says, oh, I'm sorry I caused her to spiral and I hope she can make her way back.I didn't spiral.So I don't know.
But it's also like the things that he said in his original post.I hope she suffers.
That's like talked about your children.I mean, no, that the talking about my girls who, you know, who were part of it, that was really they were upset.
And then he was like he went on some podcast was like Like he had a bad day like as if he like oops.
He was like of course I didn't mean that I was like what you don't say something like that and say like ask for takes backseas or whatever fuck he was doing well
Well, you know, when the show airs and I'm so excited about the show airing, by the way, it's it's going to be really good.But when he when you see the show, he's going to look silly because he was nothing.
We were nothing but friendly with each other.Did he directly apologize to you?I did get an email that email.He sent me an email.So formal.
That's some weak shit.An email.
He could have gotten your phone number from someone.Have you forgiven him?
Or are we kind of just like, I mean, I I can forgive anyone, but you can forgive.You don't need to forget.And I don't think it was a genuine apology.And I'll just leave it at that.
Yeah, I was such a fan of him, and then he did that, and I was like, ew.What about that person in my orbit?
Well, I think we were all shocked, and I think it was all like, none of us were on that set.We had no idea what you had done.That was so terrible.But at the end of the day, we're like, she has been going through a lot.
If she snapped at someone, that's allowed.We offer her grace for that.Clearly, she's been going through a lot.She's been under a lot of stress.
Like, I don't know what she could have done that, like, would give this sort of response, but hearing, like, you've done nothing is just... Well, no, I mean, we all get tired and we, like, each one of us had points where, like, okay, like, I haven't eaten or, you know, I'm exhausted or I need to get, I need to take a walk away.
Yeah.But, you know, it wasn't like berating and screaming and, and no, not at all.
What was so crazy about it is that he did a thing and then tried to take it back as if it was an overreaction.So whatever he accused you of, he accused you of essentially having some moment of which he felt like you...
And then the thing he did was the thing that he is essentially accusing you of, like doing something so horrific, saying something so horrific publicly.
I didn't.Yeah, I didn't.And all I can say is I didn't.So, you know, who knows?Maybe one day he'll realize that anything he thinks that I did, I don't treat people what I think he said, subhuman.I don't do that.
Where do you and Alexis stand today?
Nowhere. You know, I'm not speaking to Tamra, so you know where we are, where we are.I get to take that break.Yeah.
If you could put Tamra on pause, would you?
What does on pause mean? Oh, you mean like I you know what?I don't I don't ever like to comment about, oh, I wish someone doesn't won't come back on the show because it's everyone's livelihood, you know, so I don't want to mess with that.
But I did it.I filmed with her.So, you know, if I needed to.But, you know, it's just it's never going to be the same with her.It isn't. Yeah.
What do you think Tamara's real problem with you is?Because I feel like you guys start off the season like she apologizes or you guys come to terms with things and then you're fine.
And then she just keeps picking at you, picking at you, starting with you again.And this past season, I'm like the vitriol that's come out of her against you.It's like, what did you do to her?
I don't know.Literally nothing.Well, I said she had a big ego.She does.And I'll admit that.And she heard that I said that to someone.OK, I did.
Because last time she was upset because you guys didn't speak when she wasn't on the show.
But I did speak and I have text messages to prove it.But see, I don't like to go tit for tat.Right.I don't think the viewers like to see that either.No, you did.Yeah, I didn't.You know, it's like no one wants to see that.
So it's like and that's I have done that quite often.It's like brush things under the rug in deference to the friendship and because I don't want to get into it and and have that battle.But now I'm going to have to.
get more into that nitty gritty if necessary.Are you drawing the line for the friendship or is there never a way back or are you?Oh, you know, right now I will say no, there is no way back.
No, it's a toxic relationship and I am doing everything I can to eliminate toxicity from my life.
What do you think of her most recent comments regarding her
Diagnosis.Okay.So, you know, I, yeah, I don't, I don't really want to comment on her mental health.All I can say is I hope she gets the support she needs.Graceful queen.
What is life for you today?
Well, it's kind of fun.Like I, um, with this new show, we film our interview confessionals in New York.So I'm going to be spending a lot of time back there and I have two of my three daughters that live in New York city.
So, um, I'm having fun and I met a lot of new people on. the show, The Love Hotel, and I have been, we're all going to be friends for life.So I'm meeting up with some of them.So I was spending time with them.We're just really good friends.
So just having fun.And, and you know what?I don't know that I am, I don't know that I'm even ready for a relationship right now.And I think that's okay.It's just, I want to have fun.
And then maybe at some point say, okay, where do I have the most fun?Who do I have the most fun with?
Have any have any men reached out at all, even though I know you're not necessarily ready, but I mean, there I mean, I did meet people on the show and I'll just leave it at that.Would you say yes to being the next Golden Bachelorette?
Well, I did.You know, we have some producers that work for the Bachelor franchise.And I said, what about me being the Golden Bachelorette?And and then I said, I know you're going to use somebody from the past or whatever.
You know, we just kind of put it out there.And then Andy called me and he said, we have an interesting idea.And they they asked me to join the show, The Love Hotel.So I kind of am a Golden Bachelorette on The Love Hotel.Yeah.And I was the oldest.
I was I'm 60. So yeah.Oh, I can't wait.Yeah.It's it's really good.
It's just really good because and I started watching The Golden Bachelorette.I have to meet Joan.I just feel like I have a lot of stuff in common.But in her show and in Love Hotel, you get story because we're older.
Like it's not just like we're young and dating.It's like we have story and issues and we're all single for a reason.So we all have triggers and all that sort of stuff.So it's good.
When you're kicking it, when you're not filming TV shows, what are you doing for fun right now?
Well, I've been traveling a lot and moving and I'm moving this week before I go back to New York.And I, um, I have a really, really small group of friends.And sometimes like last night, Archie and I went out to dinner by ourselves.
I have these neighborhood restaurants that are walking distance and I just do a rotation.So Archie and I went out, but that's crazy that I would go out to dinner by myself, but I did.
How just very new age of you.
Opening up a new can of worms.
Yeah.I mean, do we have any hope that this nonsense with John and this silly lawsuit that he's doing, any any clue when you might be able to put this totally behind you?
I mean, I do want to.And so does my attorney.But we don't know if the other side wants to put it to bed because people are talking about you when the lawsuit is still going on. So and that's a bummer.
You know, they're hanging on to it to help ensure that Alexis gets back on next season.I feel like that's maybe like it.
They you know what?Go ahead.And if if everyone wants to bring Alexis back, then have a nice time with her, because I'm not filming with her ever again.I'm not.No, I'm not.No, I'm not going to put myself through that again.
It was really, really difficult.And I you know, so someone told me that recently she said, oh, well, it was difficult for me.Well, I saw that and that was crazy.You didn't need to come then, you know?
That was so crazy.I'm like, no, Alexis, we don't care about you or feel bad at all.
Well, I I I took her place.Sorry.And I'm still here after 10 years.I mean, who knows if I'm here for year 11, but for now, 10 seasons and I'm still sitting here.And then she says, well, I'm well, I back after 10 years as a friend.
Talking about you, obsessed with you.You did, I think you said that on the show, didn't you?Yeah, I did.Yeah, you did, that was iconic.
I did, I did at a dinner.
So, do you know, if you won't film with her?
I just, I mean, I think it's pretty clear that it was a lot for me.I do feel like, I don't know that I really said anything unkind.
Well, it's one thing to film it.
I am now a little bit.Sorry.
No, I think you're allowed to.
This woman has been coming after you constantly.She says I am.So it's just it's just it's frustrating.And, you know, this whatever enough is enough.So and, you know, I don't know.That's the first time I said that.So now I'm probably in trouble.
But I have no interest.No, you have going to do that to myself again.A hundred percent.
It's a human thing to say.Yeah.
It is.I mean, it's one thing to film.
How can you be in trouble for protecting your mental health?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.It is one thing to film with your ex's new partner.That's one thing.Cordial, let's try to make, but this person is not.They're trying to make your life hell.They're constantly going after you.
It is a total mess up on your mental health.Like, I 100% back you being like, I'm not filming with this person.
Listen, if Alexis wants to be on this TV show, she needs to come up with a reason to be on it other than being obsessed with you.
Yeah.Because it's not that... She has to be interesting on her own, so... How many times do you think she practiced, there's the door, Shannon Bedore, in the mirror?
Yeah, I think so too.Did the dog situation weird you out?Her having the same dog as you?
Yeah, I mean, I... She's obsessed.
She's obsessed. The answer to all the questions is yes.
But I think she had the dog for a while, I think.I don't know.
Shannon, we know you got to get going, but we just want to say thank you so much for coming.
Thank you, guys.I feel so honored that you've been so kind.
We just call it like we see it.This year.
Well, we're not disingenuous.
We really are fans of you, and we love watching these shows because we do know that people fuck up and make mistakes, and we can criticize that, but we enjoy people like you who have been willing to, as difficult as it can seem and be sometimes, to try their best to hold themselves accountable and improve on themselves, and it's been really fun and enjoyable to watch you this season.
Thank you.Yeah, we've become such fans.So good luck the rest of the way.We can't wait to see you on the Love Hotel.
Yes, the Love Hotel.Fall in love on Love Hotel.
Okay, all right.Bye, Shannon Medour.Thank you. Thanks for listening.We appreciate all our guests, Shannon, Danny, and Whitney joining the show.Thanks for listening.
Be sure to check out the episode of Going Deeper with Jaleel White that dropped on Wednesday.And we are back for an electric week, headlining a Going Deeper episode with Ashley from Love is Blind.
If you left the reunion wanting more, like many of us, all of us, quite frankly,
Ashley sits down with us to go in great detail all of the kind of backstory between her and Tyler's relationship, the whole baby mama drama, every little detail about the conversations her and Tyler had and conversations they had with baby mama.
It's an episode you definitely do not want to miss.That is next Wednesday.Plus, we got some excellent episodes of Reality Recap.We'll see you then.Bye.
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