Hello, everybody.Welcome back to another episode of the Santy Time podcast, where no matter if it's Easter time, Western time, or Pacific time, it'll always be Santy Time.So today I have returning guests who was on the Hunger Games discussion.
Aaron McVeigh, or should I still call you Aaron Lucy McVeigh. Uh, but, uh, but, uh, well, actually from my zoom name, I changed it to pop to, uh, to Santee Muad'Dib, you know, excellent.It's fitting because since that this is in fact.
Yeah, like originally, like originally, and, you know, like after the 100 Games discussion, I was thinking, oh, like I should definitely invite Aaron back, but then you were busy and all, and I'm so glad that I convinced you to come back, you know, so, it's, it's, it's, and Aaron, now Aaron, it is wonderful to, to have you return to Santitype.
How are you feeling today?
Yeah, thanks for having me back.I'm feeling good.I just couldn't resist.I couldn't resist a Dune discussion.You know, there's definitely a trend here.
Anything that's based on a book, it's really hard for me to pass up just because I love talking about book adaptations.But yeah, I'm super psyched to be here and talk about movie of the year, question mark, perhaps.
Fuck yeah.I would say it's definitely movie of the year.
something else comes along who knows uh yeah yeah i had to use the voice to get you to come back yeah you really did and it worked it did yes wait does that mean i'm part benedict deseret am i like paul i don't know whoa No.Okay.
So yes, this is in fact a discussion on Dune Part Two, which is in fact movie of the year.I mean, there was no doubt.It was basically my anticipated movie of 2023 and then 2024.I was really upset when I found out that it got delayed.
I remember where I was. You know, so I gotta ask, where were you when Dune II was delayed?
I think I must have been at work.I remember receiving like a text message from my partner and just a screenshot.I was like, Like, I knew it was coming, but it still didn't take away the pain.But that's all in the past now, because now we've seen it.
I mean, yeah, like, I mean, yeah, of course, like some major movie like Dune II was going to get delayed because of the strikes.Well, actually, it's not because of the strikes.It was because...
It was because these stupid studio executives, like David Zaslav, refused to pay their actors and their writers.Now, if only the execs did that before, we would have had it in November.But November was already a stacked month for movies.
And also December as well.A lot.
Yeah, I wonder how different the Oscars would look if Dune had come out last November.Because I think it would definitely have gotten nominations.But I guess we'll see for next year.
Yeah, I can tell you right now that even if Dune came out in November, it would definitely get a Best Visual Effects and a bunch of technical awards and not Best Picture.
So given that the Academy did that with Dune, in which it only was nominated for Best Picture and it only won technical awards, it was a possible outcome on that front. And when Dune Part One won those technical awards, it wasn't even televised.
Oh, yeah.Oh, my gosh.Wow.Dark times.
Exactly.I really don't like the Academy.They didn't invite my boy, Messi.
Come on.Justice for Messi.
Exactly.If you guys don't know who Messi is, he's the dog from Anatomy of a Fall.Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.Uh, so before we get started on doing part two, usually I, I, I put out some topical pop culture news here and there.And, um, what I'm about, and this is, this is very sad news that I'm about to share.
And it is one, it is one that has, that has now rocked the entertainment industry and a lot of people around the world.Uh, well-known,
Like a well-known Magaka creator and character designer, Akira Toriyama, the creator of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and all those popular anime, passed away at the age of 68 from subdural hematoma.
It's not just that he created Dragon Ball, he literally inspired... like generations of artists to draw manga, to draw comics, and Dragon Ball Z has influenced pop culture as well.
Without Akira Toriyama, we wouldn't have Shonen Jump, we wouldn't have Shonen Anime, we wouldn't have classics like Naruto and One Piece and all.So, yeah.Are you a fan of Dragon Ball?
I'm not a fan of Dragon Ball, but yeah, rest in peace.Really sad news.Such an important figure in the industry and really young.He was 68.
I thought he was older than that.
Yeah, rest in peace.Really sad news.
Yeah, it is.So your partner's a big Dune fan, right?
Yeah, so was he a Dune fan first, or did he get you into Dune?
Or is it the other way around?
So how we both kind of came to really loving and now reading the Dune series, when the Dune Part 1 was announced, because we're both huge Denise Leno fans.We love Arrival.Blade Runner 2049 is probably, certainly in my maybe
favorite 21st century releases.So just huge fans of his.And when I saw he was making a Dune film, I started kind of looking into the books and I was like, okay, this is a really popular book series.
And I, at this point, my partner wasn't really into reading yet.I was the big reader.And I was like, hey, what if we read this together?
if we like read it out loud to each other and we started before the movie comes out and we started doing that and anyone who's read the book knows that in the first five pages they're throwing out like Kwisatz Haderach, Bene Gesserit, Gom Jabbar, Arrakis, Kaladan and I was like I'm having a stroke.
I don't know what any of these words mean so we really made a good effort to read that book.And I think we got like, I don't know, 80 pages in.And then the movie was out.We were like, okay, I just want to go see the movie.
So we saw the movie, and my brain chemistry altered.It was one of the most amazing pieces of cinema I've ever seen.You know, it was a COVID release.So we braved the theater, we masked up and trudged over there.And I'm really glad we did.
So I got to see it on the big screen.And once we realized that the Doom part one is only the first half of the book.We were like, okay, we have time.And so then that was back in 2020, 2021.And since then, my partner has become a massive reader.
And when we saw that Doom part two got delayed, we were both like, okay, we have time. So he read it first probably three or four months ago now.And then once he finished with our copy, I was like, give me that.And then I read it.
And now we're reading Dune Messiah.
Yeah.And are you liking Dune Messiah so far?
I'm not very far in, but I am loving it so far.
I'm sure you've heard some of the discourse, I would say largely coming from folks who maybe haven't maybe seen both the movies or read the book, talking about how like, oh, we shouldn't watch Doom because it's a white savior narrative.
And I'm like, if you just read the books, you will see it's a critique of that. in the first chapter of Dune Messiah, we got done with the prologue and I was like, let's go.
Like, it is getting into the nitty gritty of all of these ideas and politics that were kind of brought to the forefront in Dune, the first book.And I'm just, oh, I'm so excited.
I'm so excited to just keep going and to have, you know, have this in my mind before I see Dune Messiah in probably like three years, whenever it comes out.
I mean, I mean, like the whole thing with like the whole discourse with like a doom being a white savior narrative when really it's a critique on the white savior narrative.Like that's just that's just textbook definition of media illiteracy, right?
Exactly. But just because, oh, they see Timothee Chalamet, a white guy, helping natives, and they think, white savior narrative, when they haven't even read the book or watched the entire movie.Their only context was like part one.So.
Yes.And, you know, I think that a lot of people are forgetting that like in, you know, storytelling, the best way to kind of engage with a topic is just to show it.And so, you know, it's like just because they're showing
Like it is a white savior narrative, but that doesn't mean it's promoting it or saying that that's good.It's just engaging with that topic.So yeah, I'm really excited to get further in.
If I can give you an example of promoting a white savior narrative, it is the best picture winning green book.
Yes, it is indeed.Oh, I hate green books so much.The most infamous best picture winner.Oh my god.I was so upset.And then I remember my sibling and sister just telling me to calm down.And I was already mad that the 2018 Oscars
like, had a terrible best picture lineup anyway, even though there were better movies.Like, even though there were better movies that were nominated, but like, that's a whole can of worms.Yeah.Yeah.Okay.So tell me about your Dune 2 experience.
yeah um i got to go to the fan favorite screening you did i did so i saw i know and i know you were dying because you had to wait until until like a week later or something like that um but i was at that sunday screening uh
I mean, it was just such a great experience.Like, I go to the movies a lot.I go to a lot of matinees, so I'm in a lot of, like, very empty theaters, which I don't mind at all.
But there is something about being in, like, a sold-out IMAX screen, and I think I get a lot of anxiety in theaters if I think that people are going to be really disruptive.
Like if I feel like there's a rowdy group of teenagers or something, I'm like, oh no, they're going to, you know, I start getting anxious that they're going to like ruin the movie experience.
So because this was a sold out screen, I started getting really anxious that there were going to be people confused and talking and kind of ruining the experience.And you could, you could hear a pin drop in my screen.No one
was talking, no one was on their phone, everyone, like teenagers, guys in their 60s, 70s, like were fully leaned forward in their chairs, just like eyes glued to the screen.And me too, like I was, I couldn't take my eyes off what was happening.
I did see it in IMAX, so I got that like, you know, chair vibrating sound and these
Huge, huge visuals and I, I avoided, I saw like the first full trailer, but then I avoided any other trailers or, you know, I heard that they showed like Paul Reilly's trailer play before it.
yeah yeah yeah exactly um so i was just trying to avoid as much footage as possible so i could go in like as fresh as possible so a lot of what i was saying i hadn't seen before i hadn't you know it was it was just so it was so amazing it was it was a great experience and i i know a lot of people are saying this but i just want to echo it i did leave the theater thinking like oh i'm witnessing
pop culture history.I'm living it.I'm living it right now.It was a really electric, electrifying experience.
Yeah.So, so yeah.And I'm really, yeah, yeah.
I'm really jealous of the fact that you got to see it early before everybody else, like a Europe, like a, you're one of like the many people like in our house of cinema, like Patreon discord, got to see it early, especially, especially Cindy Volpe, shout out to her, you know?
So, and, um, So I got to see it Friday night and this is actually a funny story.So like my boss actually asked me to come in for like the rest of the afternoon and I told him no. It's good for you!Thank you!
Yeah, I know, like I wasn't gonna miss out on a Friday night IMAX screening of Doom Part II, are you kidding?Yeah, you cannot miss that.
Like especially when the weekend that it was out, like it was already sold out and I wasn't gonna wait another week, like come on man.And... 6.30 is showing.I get in, you know, I avoid trailers.
You know, I avoid trailers by, like, putting on my headphones and listening to music or podcasts or whatever.Except the Furiosa trailer.That trailer still goes insanely hard.
That trailer in IMAX, I hadn't seen it in IMAX yet.I, like, I had goosebumps all over my body.
I was just like, I can't wait for this movie.I'm so excited.
Now, the one question that I have for you is, do you have it in you to make it epic?I think I have it in me.So do I. I heard a discourse with a lot of people saying, oh, these visuals look like shit.It's very glossy.
Dude, dude, like my brother in Christ, people felt the same way about Mad Max Fury Road.
It's a stylized franchise.It's extremely stylized.When Mad Max came out, I don't know if you remember this.I was like, I was like a sophomore in college when that came out.People thought that trailer looked terrible.No one wanted to see it.
And I, Santi, I believed.I believed from day one.I said, this is going to be fire. And I went to some theaters and I was like, what did I fucking say?I knew it.People did not like that trailer for Mad Max Fury Road.
Yeah.Fury Road is also a great introduction for everybody.This movie is for everybody.You don't have to watch the other Mad Max movies.
Like it puts you straight into its world and it just lets you soak it in.Same thing with the Dune movies.Like same thing with the Dune movies, especially with part one.Like it thrusts you into its world and you don't question it.
I'll get more into that.But anyway, my theater experience. I had a great time, you know, like, like seats, like a seats vibrating, like the speakers being loud, like especially during that scene with the
Like, especially during that Shai-Halud sequence, and it's like rumbling, and it feels like that you're on the worm.
Oh, man.Oh, man, it just gets me going.It's like the job of my life.OK.And after I saw the movie, I didn't know how to breathe.Like, it just took my breath away.I felt like I saw the greatest movie ever made.
And something did happen after I saw the movie.
So I tweeted something, right?Yes.And so basically I tweeted the night I saw it.
Like I tweeted the night I saw it, literally me coming out of Dude 2 thinking about how I'd been a part of a cultural moment in history and something that we'll probably never have for another 20 years.
Like 20 years prior being the Lord of the Rings trilogy.And the tweet got 14K likes and it's been viewed, it's been nearly viewed 600,000 times.
yes let's go this tweet blew up overnight and it was a video of kendall roy slowly walking with this like like with the stunted look on his face and i also felt like kendall roy like i was
like i literally acted like him you know so i think kendall roy would love dune part two personally yes he would yeah it would make him forget about you know like his uh his terrible siblings and how exactly and how and how fucked and how like the people at waystar completely fucked him over you know like have you have you watched all of succession throughout or
Okay, I still have like five episodes left of season four.But I do know, I do know who becomes CEO at the end.
Me too.Yeah, like I'm not gonna say it, but like, yeah, like, yeah, I can tell you right now that Succession has like one of the best runs of TV, like ever, like, like, like, this show lasted for four seasons over the past five years, whereas we
Whereas we have other popular shows with bloated budgets that last for over a decade, like Stranger Things.
Oh god, don't get me going.Don't get me going.
A whole other can of worms.
Yeah, don't get me going.
But yeah, I would say the Succession finale is one of the...
best like finales like in tv history you know like i gotta finish it yeah i yeah and and it's sad to say that hbo will never have another series like that again but oh t not even the twilight animated series santi okay i have yet to see how the animation looks
If it's animated by Studio Mir, if it's animated by Studio Mir, I'll consider it.
If you guys don't know what Studio Mir is, they're the same people who did Legend of Korra and all those other shows.So anyways, yeah, that was my Dune 2 experience.I saw, I basically saw one of the best movies ever made.
I tweeted it and it blew up overnight.So you could say I peaked here. Mark it, mark it on that day.Exactly, mark it.It was booked, marked and all.Yeah.Okay, they will remember Sati Mouadib's tweet.So yeah, so part one.
The thing that I really love about Doom Part One is that this is not an exposition heavy sci-fi movie where these characters spoon feed information to you, like we're complete idiots, it just thrusts you into... It just thrusts you into this world.
Okay, like, these are who these people are.This is, this is the planet Arakeen.They want, like, the duke, like a duke, like goes to desert planet for spice.That's all you'll get.Yep.And
And the Atreides family get their shit rocked by a bunch of bald white savages.That's all you get.
Yep.That's that's a really great summary of Doom Part One right there.Yeah.
Yeah, I I'm a huge fan of Doom Part One.So I've yet to see part two a second time.I'm seeing it next a week from today a second time.
And after coming out of, I don't know if you have this like later on the schedule, so stop me if I'm jumping too far ahead.
But my initial reaction coming out of Doom part two is I was like, I think I like part one a little bit better, but I need to hold off making that statement until I see part two a second time.Because I think like part one,
Like you said, you just get thrust into this world.You get to see Caladan, you get to see Arrakeen, you get to see like some of the Sietches, you get to see the Harkonnens and like the Sardaukar.
Like it was this huge sensory overload of all these new things.And I was like, wow, like so stimulated and just excited.And I didn't, I wasn't like ready for the fact that in Doom part two, it's less so about
I mean, there are some of the most stunning visuals I've ever seen, but they really just dig into like the characters.It's really about these characters and the politics and, you know, will Paul meet his destiny or not?
And so it just, it really felt different.And I was like, whoa, I don't know.I don't know which one I like more at this point, but I will say like Doom Part One, because I'm just such a, I'm such a world buildy girl.I love a big world.
I love seeing new things.I love seeing creative visuals.Doom part one is like candy to me.Like it's just so exciting to watch because it's so varied.
But yeah, so I'm holding off on whether or not I prefer part one or part two until I see part two again.
but yeah the way you just are like thrust into the world you're and the characters are so precise you don't need all that exposition you know exactly no you just get to watch these characters exist in their world yeah and if i could give
Yeah, if I could give another example, David Lynch previously adapted Dune back in 1986, and he had this movie be some exposition-heavy movie because he was hired to do it.He didn't understand the lore of Dune.Oh, David.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Poor David Lynch.Yeah.A lot of people I know who I've met online have said, like, oh, it's actually not that bad.
I've yet to watch it.It's on my watch list.
Yeah, yeah, like, you'll get it.Like, like, if you're a lynch head, you'll probably like it, but like if you're a massive Dune fan, you probably won't.That's just, that's just my thing really.And, and, like,
And the third act of 1986's Dune was basically an exposition-heavy sequence of characters talking about what's happening.Like, oh, I'm talking about the palace is being attacked.The palace is being attacked.Apollo Treatise is coming.
like he must live up to his stepping blah blah blah blah blah like okay like do we really need all that i prefer things happening you know yes and granted and granted like all like the conversation stuff like happened in the book as well but i'm yes expanded upon that can i just say
Denis Villeneuve is a massive Dune fan.He's been a fan since he was 14 years old.And I love the fact that he respected the source material and he wanted to make it right, you know?And he basically expanded upon that, you know?
The things that aren't in the first book, he adds more into it.I like directors that add more things into their books.I like that a lot.
Yeah, he's so smart with how he's doing it because The Doom Part II, I had just finished the book days before, like two or three days before, so it was super fresh in my mind.
And he really takes liberties, but it works so well because I think he just really understands the medium of cinema.Like reading a book, you're in, and the way like Frank Herbert
writes Dune, it's this third person completely omniscient point of view.So not only are you like, like you're literally in everyone's head and he jumps between people's heads, on a dime.
Like one sentence he'll be describing how Paul is feeling about something and then the next sentence we're in Jessica's point of view.And it's seamless.But you can't do that in a film.We can't be in someone's head unless you have a voiceover.
And so I just think Denis is so smart because he, one, a lot of like the action in the book happens off screen, you know, quote unquote.It's very Grecian in that way where it's kind of like,
They talk about it and then the next chapter it's happened and they're talking about what happened.And Denis understands that cinema is a visual medium.And so we have to see these moments to understand them, put meaning on them.
And he also does something so, so smart, which is like, he takes the point of view of the things that people are thinking in their minds about like, oh, is Paul the Kwisatz Haderach, like, is the Kwisatz Haderach even real?
and he puts them into characters.So like Chani has this strong opinion in the film that like the Fremen should free themselves.That's not really present in the book, but it is an idea that's present in the book.It is like
there, it's just within people's minds, but he puts it in a character because we need that as an audience.We have to have characters with goals and points of view.So I just I was really impressed with his adaptation skills.
It's it's masterful to say the least.
Retweet, retweet, retweet.Nice.Well said.Well, really, really well said.We'll definitely talk about Johnny later on.Oh, my God.She's Johnny.Yes.
okay uh first let's talk about our favorite scenes i love how it opens like i love the orange tint you know like it just makes me wish that the movie like also looked also looked orange throughout but you know what like like i like the orange coloring just the way like greg frazier like uses like vibrant colors it's like really it's like that it's so cool how he how he makes it
like how he does like mix colors it's just so so cool like how it's like like a house and i've noticed a parallel between how part one starts and how part two starts and it's both movies start with paul waking up yeah and well not necessarily like well not necessarily part one like
like, immediately started with Paul waking up, but just like, but just like the voiceover of Chani, like saying, saying, like, my planet, like, like, my planet Arrakis is beautiful when the sun is low and all that.
And then the next scene, and then the next scene, Paul wakes up and how part two starts is the voiceover of Princess Cerulean.
And, and like she says in a voice diary, like the things that happen, like, oh, like the Harkonnens and the Saurkar like attacked. And it's uncertain if Paul Atreides is alive or whatever.And then you get Paul waking up.
I just love how original movies and sequels are parallel to each other. It's just really cool to see them intertwine and all that.It's so great.
Yeah, he's just doing so many cool things with both of these films.
Yes, and I also like how the Sarkar levitate towards the next plateau.It's such a cool visual, you're just thinking to yourself, how are they doing that?
It was definitely like, they were definitely using harnesses, and they did a really good job, like, hiding the effect of that, like, wow.
it looks so good and it the way that it's like i also love that it's silent like there's no sound of like like compressed air or like i don't fucking know like jets or something like propelling them up they just float it's so cool sometimes sometimes less dialogue in a movie can be good guys okay instead of taking something that denise said out of context okay like it's so
It's the same thing with like Martin Scorsese, like said, said, oh, like superhero movies are dead when really, like, we're really like, this is just a guy who really, this is just like an elderly guy who, who grew up throughout the 70s and the 80s and the 80s as he watched like cinema evolve and all that.
In part two, I like that we get more of the Fremen, like, you know, like, like, like, we see, like, we see, like, where they are, like, the sieges and all that, like, it's so, we also get to see how, how the Fremen, like,
like take care of the dead, you know, like with the burial of Jamis or, or like, I wouldn't say burial.He's, he's mummified, I guess.Like, I don't know what you call it.Like he's drained of his like water and it's poured into the sacred water.
And I just, I really love the shot of Stilgar and Lady Jessica talking to each other.And you see this like open shot of, of the water reflecting them.It's such a cool visual.
I gotta tell you, Greg Frasier is probably my favorite cinematographer right now.
He did an amazing job.It just looked so good throughout.
I can tell you right now that the colors, that the vibrant palette that Greg used for part two, he's gonna use in the Batman part two.I can tell you that right now.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Yeah. Like, like I'm telling you, like how, where'd it get, where'd it, We're gonna get more blood red sunsets in the Batman sequel.Oh man.Let's go.Yes, anyways.So we also get more of the Harkonnen, specifically on Gaty Prime.
Oh, can we talk about the Gaty Prime sequence?
Yes, please.I'm watching it and I turn to my partner and I go, because they were like inside, you know, and we're seeing them be inside.And then they're in that gladiator pit.And I was like, is this in black and white?
Because it is in black and white, but it's in black and white in a way I've never seen in my life, in a way I couldn't even like imagine.
It's not even like a black and white filter that they would use in some movies.It's literally natural light from the hearkened sun.
Yes, I've never seen anything like that and it looked completely real and that scene in the book As I'm reading it, I was like, oh, I'm reading like a really intense action scene, but it just doesn't read that way, the way the prose is.
And so I was so looking forward to seeing this intense
action scene and like Austin Butler is just absolutely nailing his role as as Faye Drowtha and like oh my god those like weird wet fireworks in the air like yeah yeah the giant ink blocks in the air yeah oh wow it was it was really reminiscent of like Arrival to me of the oh yes of the language um I just was absolutely
blown away.That scene is probably my top scene in the entire movie.Just getting to see Gaty Prime, getting to see their black son, and like a glimpse at all the Harkonnens in the stands.I'm like, this planet is fucked.
It is so weird. Like they're at a Boston Bruins hockey game.Yeah, exactly.They're so hyped up.Or a wrestling match or whatever.
And knowing that Gurney Halleck was in those slave pits for years at the hands of the Harkonnens, I was like, wow, this is really giving insight into his character and his need. for revenge.I thought it was just so smart.
For my Duke and my friends.
Yeah!Josh Brolin, you will always be famous.He did so good.
Also, I hate this man with every fiber of my being.Do you know who John Campion is?
I don't know.Who is that?
He's some comic book fan who has his own YouTube show.
Like he drops a bunch of like controversial takes or whatever like he's leaked a bunch of like, like he's leaked a bunch of like superhero movie details that could have like spoiled the movie and all that, and he basically called
like he basically called one of the scenes in Doom Part 2 referring to it as Thanos fighting Drax the Destroyer and I'm like dude no no no no no no that's not that's not it at all it's just real actors doing a scene together I really I really don't like how people like refer to actors as their previous like as their previous like well-known like characters in superhero movies like it drives me up the goddamn wall
It's so weird.It's like, this is like, it's their job, like, and they don't sit around being like, I'm Drax.They're like, that was my job a couple years ago.You know, like, let them, let them have new jobs.Like, let them move on.
It's also the same thing when people were excited that Robert Downey Jr.and Buck Ruffalo were doing their Actors on Actors review, and they referred to it as, oh my god, Tony Stark and Hulk reunion, when really I looked at it as a Zodiac reunion.
Oh, yeah, I really, I love David Fincher's Zodiac, you know, so, and, and I always like, and I always correct people when I, when I know what someone says, like, oh, someone says, oh, wow, like Tony Stark and Hulk were in a movie together before, before they were in the franchise.
I was like, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, it's just two actors being, being, being in a movie directed by, directed by an acclaimed director, guys. It's like an ahead of ourselves.So, yeah, anyway, uh, yeah yeah yeah Katie pride.
Oh, fantastic sequence, I really good.Like everybody is just at the top of their game like like you said with like Austin Butler just killing it as fade Ratha, they'll never be sting by the way, but that's, but, um,
I can't believe Sting plays Faye Rotha in that version.I need to sit down and watch it.
Oh my gosh, it's crazy.I saw a rumor that Harry Styles would be Faye Rotha, which thank God that didn't happen.
Why?I'm so sorry, but why are we giving Harry Styles acting jobs?
I don't know, Erin.I don't know.
Is the man, is he an actor?I don't know.
He's really, like, he's really, he's really not, you know, like the whole reason why he was in Don't Worry Darling was so that One Direction fans could watch it and it wouldn't make a ton of money that way.I don't know.
But yeah, but he's a great pop star.Like,
yeah do your thing man but overrated pop star but yeah um sorry i'm sorry oh i'm not i'm not a fan cool all right i'm shaking your hand like yeah nice
I don't dislike him, I'm not a fan.
The thing that I love about Austin Butler's Fade Ratha is that you barely recognize Austin Butler, you don't see his wavy blonde hair, you barely see his Elvis voice.He's not just playing a character, he's a psychopath.You see a bald psychopath.
in action.You see him screaming and spinning at people and all that, especially when he's in the gladiator ring and he's fighting that one dude who wasn't drugged.And you see this open smile that he makes, he's cross-eyed.
You're not seeing an Austin Butler, no. He's being a total savage, really.
Totally.He really embodies, and you don't really get a lot of Fade in the books.
He's there, but I mean, I think this is a testament to both the casting, the acting, and the direction of how well they were kind of able to make him into this antagonist.
And I think what I liked most about the Gaiety Prime sequence was, because you're meeting Fade Rautha,
he is yeah he's this psycho um and sometimes that can come off as like corny like a like a psycho character unless you feel like you kind of like understand and i felt like everything i saw about gaty prime everything i saw about the harkonnens about their systems about how they behave i was like oh of course this dude like is like this this place is
Lazy.This place is, like, these people are gathered by the thousands to just cheer on this bloodbath.Like, this is a brutal society of people who delight in blood and violence.
They're not human, they're brutal!
Yeah, like, it was just so, it was so illuminating.And to get all of that I'm pretty sure, is it right before or right after we find out that Jessica and Paul are Harkonnens?I can't remember the sequence.
So yeah, to get all of that and then to find out that they're Harkonnen and they have to, and he says something like, we'll win this by being Harkonnen.I was like, whoa.Oh my God.Like, yeah, they're going to go crazy.They're going to be brutal.
They have to.And it was just, ugh.
Yeah, I loved it all.In order to beat an animal, you gotta be an animal yourself.
And yeah, just like, and also, I... Like, I see that barely any people talk about this.I really like Leia Sidhu in this movie.
She's one of the Bene Gesserit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.Lady Fenring.
Oh my god.I loved Lady Fenring.I think she just nailed it.It was so good, so creepy, so sexy.Everything about it, I was like, these Bene Gesserit, they're on something.
They're crazy too.Everyone in this world is crazy.
Yeah.And I read it.I read somewhere where she said that she barely gets jobs in America, less than her getting roles outside of the US.And I was like, yeah, you know what?I feel you, Queen.Hollywood is just cutthroat.
like hollywood is just cutthroat that way you know but uh but uh but very very nice yeah uh just like uh and also just like how
and also just like how like uh how a halfenring like uses like the gum jabbar yes on uh on fey dratha and then you get the next seed and she tells death and she tells a rulon and uh and reverend mother what what's what's what's her fucking name again i don't know uh gaius reverend mother gaius yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah reverend mother gaius and she tells him like oh
And she tells him, like, he didn't feel any pain when he put his hand in the box or whatever.And I was like, oh, OK.
Which makes me notice another parallel in which when Paul put his hand in the box, he felt pain, whereas with Faye Rotha, the inhuman individual that he is didn't feel any pain.
Yeah, and they use that box.
Just like he was trained that way.
Yes, they literally use it.They say, to filter out the humans.So it's like, the Bene Gesserit are so fucked up.I love them.Like if you can withstand that, and you can make it through, then they consider you a human being.
And so it's really interesting that like,
yeah, Paul makes it through feeling the pain and overcoming it, and then he's considered a human being by the Bene Gesserit, and Fade does the same thing, but it doesn't affect him in the same way, so it's like, is he really, what does it mean to be human?
And it really brings into light the flaws of the Bene Gesserit, which I feel like this entire film was really starting to highlight, is how they are flawed and manipulative, and what they're doing is a little problematic.
I can't wait to get into that more in the next movie, in the next book.
Yes, okay.What else do I have in my notes?Oh, yeah, I see it.And also, and also, as for Austen Butler's Fade Ratha, he's nothing like Heath Ledger's Joker.I don't know where people are getting this from.
I've only heard that comparison through, like, like discourse like i haven't actually i'm just like why would you even i i don't yeah i don't understand the comparison either i really don't
get it other than I guess they're both good villain performances.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.It's literally what these roles have in common.They're both like exceptionally villainous performances.
Only the difference is that they barely interact with each other.They don't they don't share a scene together until the third act.Like yes.Like what are we what are we doing here?
Like Batman and Joker didn't have a scene together in the Dark Knight until at least the second act.
And then what followed is like a battle between them or whatever.Like Joker taunts Batman, whereas Faye Rotha doesn't taunt Paul at all.
No, no, he's just trying to impress Daddy.
They kind of respect each other, kind of.
Yeah, exactly.Yeah, I don't understand that comparison at all.
And yeah, if I were to pick a top scene, the Paul and Faye fight is truly peak cinema.It's like watching two gladiator... It's like watching two respectable... It's like watching a folktale, right?It's like watching a Japanese folktale.
It's like watching two samurai, two well-known samurai in history battling it out.
I was so impressed with that moment.I think that there is a time and place for epic music, like crescendoing and, you know, really cool editing.There's certainly a time and place for that, and they do that in this movie.
But to make the choice to take away all sound, accept the sound that you would hear if you were in that room.
You would hear a knife on skin or flesh on flesh and they he completely immerses you in the reality of the present moment because this is what happens.History is not made with these moments that in real time feel epic and miraculous.
It's just these moments where it's like okay and now we're gonna fight and if I win I'm emperor and if you win, then everything stays the same.
Like it was just this to boil down this extremely profound turning point in history and in this story to such like a just a quiet uh now it felt very naturalistic like like just exactly what it would be like if you were there.
That honestly might be my favorite moment in the entire movie, that scene.It was so, so good.
And even though I knew what happened, I was on the edge of my seat.I was like, what is going on?Like, how is this going to go down?It was so well done.
Yeah, and yes, if we could talk about the quote, may thy knife chip and shatter, but how Faye Rotha says it, he's like, oh, well, actually, may thy knife chip and shatter, actually.
Those are my favorite memes going around on TikTok right now.
It's so funny.Yeah, I really like how Butler plays that moment.It's both funny and scary.He's making fun of him because he's so confident that he's about to get his blood, that's what he does.
And I know a lot of people talk about how cool, like Paul shouting at Gaius' silence, and she's like taking it back by it, you know, like everybody gasped.By the way, did your theater gasp when that moment happened?
I don't think, it was so loud.If they did, I didn't hear it.
Everybody gasped.It's like, it's kind of like one of the few times that we're like, we're like an audience like surrounding the like, like a reacted to like a scene that way.
And it wasn't since I saw, you know, the invisible one.Like since I saw the invisible man.
Oh, I haven't seen that movie.
Oh, really?Okay, like there's a there's a there's a literally, I thought that there's literally a scene that like, that's totally normal, you know, just two people talking and then something happens.
I've been wanting to watch it for ages.
Yeah.Yeah.OK.Yeah.Watch The Invisible Man.OK.OK.
And yeah.Yeah.Yeah.A lot of people talk about that scene.But my silence scene is actually when Lady Jessica like meets the it's like the dwarf woman who like who grabs the baby sandworm.I forgot what it's called.
And I don't remember either.
yeah and like you know like the dwarf woman she's calming it down right and you see how the water of life is extracted right and and and lady jessica tells him like my son paul must drink the water of life and and she's all like uh i don't know it's it's it's forbidden you know and yeah and lady jessica replies back let him try
That scared the shit out of me.That's my scene.
Dude, Rebecca Ferguson, I mean, I don't know if you're... She's by far my favorite performance, maybe my favorite character right now.Everything about Lady Jessica, I just find so delectably creepy.
And... the more I come to understand the Bene Gesserit, the more I'm just like, this was such an inspired, inspired story to come up with this entire world and this plot.
And once you learn that it's like, they're just pulling the strings for their own gain, it's, God, it's just so good.And they're so creepy.They're so powerful.And
I really hope that spinoff, The Sisterhood, comes out, which has the Bene Gesserit, it's been in the works even before Dune was coming out.
I really hope that comes out.If it gets cancelled, which I hope it doesn't, then I wouldn't be surprised.Because it's such a great idea for a show.
It really is.That's really smart.Yeah, I find the Bene Gesserit so interesting and scary.
Yeah, me too.They're like space witches, you know?
Yeah, they actually... Okay, I don't know if you know too much about Star Wars, but there is a tiny piece of lore where there are these space witches, and they're from the same planet that Darth Maul is from.
So they were basically responsible for his resurrection, because he died in Phantom and the Menace when he got his shit rocked by Obi-Wan and all that.And he came back, in the Clone Wars series.
Yeah, which is basically a genius idea for them because Darth Maul became one of the best characters to come out of that show.So anyways, let's talk about Shani.Zendaya's Shani.Love her.
She's kind of like a main character in this show, you know?
something i'm thinking about so much you mentioned it earlier doom part one opens with chani's voiceover talking about arrakis yeah and it ends with them following her into the desert i'm pretty sure the last image or one of the last images is like her face like he's following her face and then this one
ends with her getting ready to catch her Uber to ride her sandworm.And I, after she's- Are you Chani?Chani.And like, it's after she's had this major slight, this public slight of being kind of, of his,
Her boyfriend gaslighting her like, I'll love you as long as I breathe.A ruling, we're married now.And dipping out.
And the more I'm thinking about it, I'm like, I think that this is, because you know I'm a narrative theory nerd, and so I'm always trying to ask myself, Whose story is it?Because that's really important when you're writing.
You need to understand whose story you're telling, whose journey we're tracking.And there's a lot happening here.It's obviously Paul's, of course.But I think that at its core, this is actually going to be Chani's story.
because he keeps really focusing on her and he's putting into her mouth the ideas that like, no, the Native people need to be responsible for their own liberation.And that to me feels like the core of Dune is like, we need to empower Native people
to liberate themselves from their oppressors instead of relying on their oppressors for liberation, which will only lead to further oppression.And so I think this is Chani's story.
And I cannot wait to see, you know, by reading Dune Messiah, what happens, because I just have now I have no idea what happens next.I have no clue. And especially what happens with Chani, how she fits into this throuple that Paul is constructing.
And I think that she's really going to be a major, major character in the next film, which of course I love because Zendaya is amazing.
You say Zendaya, I say Zendaya.
You know what?Zendaya, Zendaya, it's kind of whatever just comes out of my mouth.
Right, right, yeah.And I will never forget how this movie ends with Shani's face, the sadness in her eyes that she's waiting to get away from her own people, away from Paul, and what she brought herself into and all that.
Oh, man. Yeah, I just think that, you know, between like, Timothee Chalamet, Zendaya, Austin Butler, and Florence Pugh, this is literally like, these are our next A-list Golden Age celebrities.
And they're all leading this franchise, which is just bonkers.It really is.It's historic. This is going to be a major, major moment.
In a way, we're getting the concept of the movie star back, you know?Yes.
Yes.I mean, I'm not the first person to make this comparison, but to me, Timothee Chalamet, I'm like, that's our next Leonardo DiCaprio.
Exactly.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We haven't seen a movie star like this for a long time.It's really exciting.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, pretty soon he'll be working with Martin Scorsese in like 10 years.I can't wait for that.Of course, yeah.If he's still alive in the next 10 years, you know.
Ugh, yeah.Don't talk about it.I hope he lives forever.I hope he makes more movies, man.Me too.Yeah.Me too.Okay, so I think, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who have said this, I think Paul Atreides is Timothée Chalamet's best role.
he is he is nailing this and I have to say I was not like I think Timothee Chalamet before okay so before I saw this movie I was like Timothee Chalamet is really good but I was not like a fanatic I was not if he was in a movie I was like cool I'm not the biggest
little women 2019 fan i know that's blasphemous but it's true i i don't know what it is i don't think it's bad i don't think it's poorly made or poorly written there's nothing about it that i think is like bad and but every time i watch it it never like hits me i've never had that experience i don't think i have ever cried watching it and i cry at
everything little women makes me happy cry you know it just it just brings a little joy to my heart i don't know so that it just does that mean i'm a ladybird person or i don't think i completely get greta gerwig none of none of her none of her films have ever really affected me i think they're undeniably
well-made, well-written.I really liked Lady Bird, and I think if it came down to it, I prefer Lady Bird to Little Women.
But never once in my life have I been like, I need to re-watch Lady Bird, or I need to re-watch, I've seen Little Women twice, because I saw it the first time in theaters, and it did not hit.And then I was like, I must have been on something.
Like, this has me written all over it.My favorite movie in the world is Pride and Prejudice 2005.Like, I should love Little Women. I don't know.
Maybe movies taking place in 1800s Massachusetts isn't your thing.I don't know.I guess so.
But I feel like after that, everyone was like, that came out, Call Me By Your Name came out, and it was like, oh, Timothee Chalamet, Timothee Chalamet.And I was like, yeah, he's good.I don't know.I don't think he's great.
But after this, and also, honestly, after Wonka, I was like, Timothy, you have my heart.
What did you think of Wonka?
I loved it.But I'm a huge theater nerd.I have gone to theater school twice.
And so I will always really, really appreciate a well-done musical.And I think that they, just did such a good job with the musical format.I loved all the practical sets and all the practical effects.And I went into that movie ready to hate it.
Me and my friends saw that movie ready to like, we were like, oh, it's going to be so bad.Let's go laugh at it.And then we walked out and we were like, color me delighted.There was nothing about that that I hated.It was so great.
I ended up seeing it again.
I thought it was okay.You know, I didn't, I really liked it.I mean, yeah, yeah.Good for you.You know, like, I don't know what it is.Like, like, I, I, I neither hated it, nor did I love it.I just think it's okay.
Maybe a second viewing will, uh, we'll have a different opinion on me, but that's how I, what you said is exactly how I felt about, um, little woman.Yeah.
I neither hated it, but I thought it was okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's fair.But I will say, so I really... I was just about to make a comparison with Little Women, because both DuParte and Little Women have Timothy and Florence, like, come on.
I know, I know it.But I do think this is Timothy's best role, and I think, in general, Denis Villeneuve always gets the best performance out of an actor that I've ever seen.
Like, after I watched Sicario, I was like, this is the best Emily Blunt's ever been.This is the best Josh Brolin's ever been.That's how I feel about Amy Adams in Arrival.That's how I feel about Ryan Gosling in Blade Runner.
Like, Hugh Jackman in Prisoners, are you kidding me?He's so good.And I just think he has this uncanny ability to get an actor's absolute best performance out of them.
i really don't think there is anyone else alive right now who could be playing paul atreides like timothy chalamet yeah he is the perfect paul yeah yeah yeah and i i again i read somewhere where like uh where denise like refused to pick anyone else other than timothy because he knew that because he
because he believed in Timothy.He believed that he could play Paul Atreides, right?And he did.Yes.That Fear the Moment sequence, I'll never forget it.
Yeah, he has this, like... Because he looks so much younger than he is, you know, he does have a baby face.We can believe... He still kind of looks like he's on the cusp of becoming, which I feel like is an important quality in Paul.
We have to feel like there's momentum in his life, that there's a journey, there's potential. And at the same time, he also has this, like, Tim Burton-esque face that looks kind of, like, tortured and, like... Oh, yeah.Like, a little, you know?
And so I just believe... Yeah, like, after he drinks the water of life, he looks drained and all that.
Yes, I just think he... And I think Timothee Chalamet's greatest strength as an actor, the more I watch his performances, is he understands what movie he's in.And I think that's why I liked Wonka so much.
Cause I was like, this kid knows exactly what movie he's in and he's just doing it.Like he's doing his job.And on top of that, he has a really great capacity for empathy.He doesn't overdo it.Like I just, I'm on board now.
Like I am officially on board the Timothee Chalamet.
fan train i think he's really really great and i would love i would love to see um an oscar nomination for him for this i don't know if it will happen i don't know if this will get any acting nominations but i if he did get one i think that would be apt well i mean lord of the rings barely got any acting nominations i know and return of the king won best picture so i know
Don't make me relive the no acting nominations, even though it won like 10 Oscars.
Yeah.Yeah, it did.All categories for Return of the King.
Yeah.But where was Sean Astin's Oscar nomination?Okay.
Where is it?Where is Andy Serkis' Oscar nomination?
Yeah, yeah.He did say that Frodo and Sam should have kissed.
He gets it.Okay.He gets it.Oh, man.Yeah.I really... Yeah, yeah, I know, like after watching, yeah, like after watching both Doom movies, like I was thinking, I should, I should rewatch Sword of the Rings.
I should, I should get on the extended editions again, like.
I, okay, I went to my, we have a great theater here in Portland that shows a lot of stuff, like a lot of re-releases and it's huge and beautiful and historic.So I was on that theater's website. to see if they were releasing Love Lies Bleeding.
And I was like, oh, I want to get my tickets.And I saw at the end of the month, they were doing it in Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Marathon.And I was like, oh, I'm there.I'm buying tickets.It was sold out.Sold out three weeks in advance.
I would have been so upset.
I'm really pissed.It was just on a Sunday at the end of the month.I never work on Sunday.Anyway.
Anyway, I'm just a little salty.Listen, listen, listen.I'm sure you have a mass subscription or you could buy physical copies of those movies.I own the physical copies.Oh, you do?Great, okay.Of course, yeah.
I think they're the copies from like childhood.I'm pretty sure I took them from my parents' house when I moved.
Oh, yeah, wait, do I?Oh, yeah, yeah, we also have Lord of the Rings DVDs, but I didn't bring them with me, so. Next time I will.
I've stolen a lot of DVDs from my parents' house.
Oh yeah, me too.Oh yeah, me too.After Christmas break, I took some DVDs from my parents' basement.
Nice, nice.They're not going to watch them, come on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.I tell them, hey, when was the last time that you put on a DVD in this house?Exactly.Yes, exactly.
Yeah.All right.Uh, okay.Anyways, um, I don't so I feel like Florence Pugh didn't have that much to do in part two.
No, there's no like, there's no performance that, uh, that makes me say, wow, she's good in this, but I'm always excited to like, see her and stuff.So maybe, maybe in the Messiah movie, she'll have more to do so.
I think so, I can only imagine she would.I was really surprised when that casting announcement happened, because her biggest present, she is there in the book at the end, in that scene where Timothy's like, you're my bride now.
But throughout the book, at the beginning of every chapter, we get her diary.We get pieces of this history that she's writing. So it was really cool that it's like throughout the entire book.I'm seeing her name at the beginning of every chapter.
I'm like, who is Princessy Rulan like I have no idea who this is.And then we finally meet her at the end.And then when I saw that Florence Pugh was cast I was like, oh, she's going to be a big deal in the next one.
Like, there's no way they would, you know, Florence Pugh has got to have a big fee to be able to hire her.She's such a big star now.So I'm sure she's going to play a bigger role in Messiah.
I am really excited for that romance movie that she's doing with Andrew Garfield.
yeah oh my gosh i can't wait yeah like that's what i'm more excited for more than thunderbolts which is like the next thing that she's gonna be and i'm like oh nice i i'm not i'm not excited just because it's it's just another mcu movie it looks like discount suicide squad i'm not i'm not too thrilled about it yeah i don't i don't i don't know what it is i can tell you right now that thunderbolt is not gonna come out i can tell you that right now
Put it on the record.Same with any future MCU project that's coming out.I have no faith.I have no faith in what's coming out.I used to, but now I don't because I'm into other things now.There you go.
Yeah, right now my only conception of superhero media is Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.Nice.Spectacular Spider-Man.I have the Blu-ray of it.Nice.The Insomniac Spider-Man games.
Yeah.Batman the Animated Series.Of course.The Batman Arkham games.Nice. Oh, oh, and the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Hero Show, which is criminally underrated, by the way.
Oh, and X-Men the Animated Series, which... Nice.I'm not too excited for X-Men 97.It's a bit... I'm a bit iffy on the animation.
Yeah, I'm... I was never an MCU girl.I would go... That's okay.Yeah, I would go because they were event movies.You know, it was fun to go get my popcorn and see what happened next.But now that there's like,
25 things I have to watch per year to even know what the fuck is going on.
Yeah, it's exhausting.Yeah, exactly.
I don't I don't care about it to that level.
So exactly.I don't I don't care.I don't care.Guardians was enough guys.Like, come on.Yeah, it really it really was speaking of Guardians 3.How good was Dave Bautista in Dune Part 2?
Okay, Dave Bautista is an actor.Have you seen um, Oh, the Shyamalan movie that came out last year.
Knock at the Cabin.He's excellent in that.
Oh, my God.I liked that movie, I think, a lot more than the general public.I really liked Knock at the Cabin.And so much of that was because of Dave Bautista.I was like, this guy, he has somehow found his calling.
Like, he started in one area of entertainment, and now, like, I love him in Blade Runner 2049.
It's because he's bad at wrestling, so he turned to acting.
Well he's- I'm glad he's bad at wrestling then because him as Rabam is so freaky and he's so good at playing his like really keyed up like frantic insecurity and like need to prove himself like he just understands character so well he just gets right at the heart of what the character wants
And that is always, like, my favorite kind of performance to watch.I just want to watch an actor play a character who's going after their goal with everything they have.
Yeah, to fail at it and be insecure about it.
Yes!Yeah, he is really good.I really enjoy him.He was the perfect casting, I think, for Rabban.
Oh, yeah, for sure.And it just goes to show that Dave is the best wrestler turned actor.I mean, sure, you have.I mean, sure, you can talk about Dwayne Johnson and John Cena, whatever.I guess at the end of the day.
They're freaking celebrities in blockbuster movies.And usually in the movies they're in, they're usually like the same goofy character that they play.
Whereas with Dave, he gets to play any type of character and works with a bunch of different directors, like Denis Villeneuve and Night Shyamalan.
Like like like freaking Sam Mendes in one of the Bond movies Which I don't think Sam Mendes is that good of a director anyway, but I really loved Skyfall And I don't think Spectre is that good.He's not in Skyfall.He's a Spectre.
So yeah, you can tell that Dave Bautista is interested in like the art of acting and filmmaking and he wants to like go there with a character as opposed to like
You know, I feel like, and this is not meant to be shade at all, but I feel like, you know, John Cena and The Rock, they know what they do.Like you said, they play the same character every time, which is fine.Like they know what they do.
And so they get hired to do that every time.And that is a very specific type of movie star.But I think Dave Bautista is an actor.Like he is doing something really fucking cool in every movie that he's in.
Yeah, specifically, I'm not really a fan of The Rock at the moment, so it's a whole other can of worms in terms of wrestling that I don't really want to get into right now, because it would make me so mad.
And yeah, back to... But yeah, everybody's at the top of their game in this movie, especially... And yeah, like as you said, especially Dave, Rebecca, Flo, Timothy, Zendaya.This is gonna sound like a hot take.
I think Zendaya's performance of Chani is better than her performance as Rue in Euphoria.
It is.It is.You want to know why?Because, because euphoria is, is made, it's made by an insecure creep, you know, like, like a nepotism guy.
Yeah, I- Euphoria season 2, I never finished it.I did see the episode that I'm convinced won Zendaya her- at me because there's an episode where it's like kind of all focused on her trying to get her fix and she's fucking amazing.
Euphoria season 2, I loved Euphoria season 1.I thought it was- it was like one of my favorite seasons of television ever.
but season two soured the whole thing for me and it also soured me against sydney sweeney i was like yeah girl's not a good actor like i don't know what the fuck she's doing i don't know if it's just the material the direction or what but like sydney you have talent i can tell that you have talent you're just not i know right roles okay she's not she's not picking good projects what they did to my girl cassie in season two yeah
No.Sour, sour tasting.I am excited for her horror movie Immaculate though.That looks good.
Yeah, I am too.I think she has a desire to like do interesting projects and I'm like, good for you.Go get a girl, like pick better projects, like get a new agent.
She even produced it, so.
Oh, cool.She knows what she's doing, you know?Yeah.I think she has some promise, but Yeah, I think that Zendaya, I mean, this is a stacked cast and everyone did so well.
So I think that like, I don't know, I don't want to like compare performances to each other, but everyone was amazing.I do think that there were, I'm excited to see what material she gets in the next movie.
I feel like every movie she gets more and more to work with.
Are you excited for Challengers?
Oh, fuck yes.Are you kidding me?Yeah!
Okay, I heard everyone talking.
Zendaya in a throuple with like two white boys?Come on.I'm losing my mind.
I had no idea what Challengers was about.And then I started seeing the trailers and I was like, oh, this is going to be like, this is going to be good.
Two great trailers.Two great trailers with amazing needle drops.
Yes!No, I can't fucking wait for Challengers.I think she's going to surprise everyone in just, anyway.
Yeah, yeah.I was really mad when it got pushed to spring because we could have had Zendaya September, you fucking assholes.I know, I know.That was going to be my September, you know?Jesus.Anyway, yeah.
What did you think of Christopher Walken in this movie as the emperor?
Probably the most puzzling casting choice, but I will say this.I forget sometimes that Christopher Walken, he's a legend for a reason.And like, he's goofy, he has a sense of humor, he's got a funny voice.Yes, yes, yes.
But he has a presence about him.And I think he like, tapped into that in this role. Like, I really felt it.I didn't feel it when he had his scenes with Florence, because it's just like a dad with his daughter, you know?
But I did feel it in those final scenes before Paul kind of takes over, that like, this is a man who is kind of not to be fucked with, and you just made him kiss your ring.I feel like Denis just did a really good job of
crafting that moment so it wasn't about Christopher Walken being like having a ton of dialogue or anything like that.
It was just, I was watching him and I was like, this is my, like, this is like some boomer who has like the biggest ego in the world.
And he did like such a good job of like playing that, of just this like very egotistical kind of like, you're a little boy, I'm the fucking emperor.And then they brought him literally to his knees.
So I don't know if it was the acting performance so much as it was just like, Christopher Walken and just his presence and his kind of legendary status.Do I think there's maybe someone else they could have cast that would have been a little better?
I don't know, probably, but I didn't hate it.
Yeah, I really can't think of anyone else.I think that Christopher Walken is a nice choice as the emperor, you know?
Yeah, I think what's so effective about it is that He's, you know, he's old.Like, this was the first time where I really looked at Christopher Walken, like, damn, he's old.Like, he's an old guy.And, but you, but we've known him for so long.
He's been this movie star, this legend in the industry for so long.And I think that really helped sell this character where it's like, this is a legend who's way past his prime, like not to be a dick, but you know, this is like an old guy.
And so we can believe that he is both emperor of the known universe and that this young boy can dominate him.It was a really cool casting choice that I wasn't sure about going in, but I really like now that I've seen it.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Took took the words right out of my mouth.Yeah. Yeah, it is a performance that barely anybody talks about, but the way that you just talked about Christopher Walken in this movie, I was like, yeah, well said.
Yeah, I think it was a really just smart, effective casting choice.I've heard that there's going to be an Oscar category added next year for casting.Did you hear that?
It's the first I've heard.It's the first I'm hearing about it.What do you mean?
I'm almost positive that I've read this.
But like it's a Sagan Sabal award or what?
No, like for casting directors.Oh.Like awarding casting directors for good casting.Okay.And I think that's really cool because it is, you know, we always say in theater, like casting is 90% of the project.If you fuck up the casting, you're cooked.
Like you can't really get the wrong actor to the right place.There's only so much you can do, so you have to find the right fit.And if this is true and not just like a rumor that I'm gossiping about, I'm almost positive I saw it confirmed.
I hope that Dune gets a nomination, whoever the casting director was, because they really did a good job.
And it's an automatic win for SAG Ensemble.Totally.Yeah, totally.The question that I have for you is, does Paul Atreides best Anakin Skywalker?
Oh, yes, because he'll just use the voice.Thank you.
Yeah, he would just use the voice and be like, Go jump in the lava.I have the high ground.
Or he'll just tell him to like, to like stab himself with a lightsaber.
Yeah.No, Paul, now that Paul has mastered the voice, he is kind of OP and I'm excited to see
that unfold further because i think that's the point yeah yeah it just goes to show that like the entirety of dune basically that it didn't just influence star wars it influenced the rest of sci-fi media as we know it yes yes everything like it's
I've been watching a couple interviews with Frank Herbert talking about it and it's just, I'm just like looking at this guy, I'm like, how the fuck did you come up with all of this?
Like this was just in your head, like you, he really, I know people are drawing a lot of parallels between this and Lord of the Rings, me included.I've been saying this for months.I'm like, this is Lord of the Rings for our generation.
But I think in the way that Tolkien and Lord of the Rings influenced all fantasy that came after, you cannot look at any fantasy media and not find its roots in Lord of the Rings.Like, you just can't.I think Frank Herbert really did that for sci-fi.
Oh, yes, well said.It's the same as how Akira Toriyama did a lot for pop culture, like how Frank Herbert did a lot for sci-fi, you know?
Yes, yeah.We have these giants of genre. And it's really just cool to see how they've touched everything that came after it.
Exactly.Exactly.Exactly.Yeah.So shall we get into our favorite roles from the Dune cast?Sure.
OK.OK.I'm going to start with our favorite guy right now, Austin Butler.I'll start. I'm going to tell you, this is kind of going to be a hot take.I am not a fan of his portrayal as Elvis.
Oh.Oh.Oh, really?OK.Yeah.
I started it one night, and then I thought to myself, do I really want to spend my night watching this?And I went, no, I don't.And then I turned it on.
Yeah, like Baz Luhrmann is a turnoff for you and that's fine.
I do love Moulin Rouge, but that's kind of his only movie that I watch.
Moulin Rouge is great!I love Moulin Rouge.Some people that I've talked to don't really like Moulin Rouge, they just don't get it.
The girls that get it, get it.
You don't get Moulin Rouge like me.
I honestly... And yeah, like, I'm not, I'm not doubting his performance.I'm not doubting Austin's performance as Elvis at all.I think he's, he's good.I just don't like that the movie portrays him as this like lovable musician who did nothing wrong.
When really, I thought when in actuality he was an insecure weirdo.He was.Yeah.
Yes, watch Priscilla.Jacob's performance in that movie was better.Come on.
He was really good as Elvis.
Yeah.He really was.God, I want to watch Priscilla again.
Yeah, yeah.I don't think I've told you this.I saw the movie a month before it came out. Oh, wow.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.I was one of the first people who saw it.And I really liked it.I saw it at New York Film Festival.It was great.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.And so for Austin Butler, I put Tex Watson from Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.And of course, Fade Rapa.Like, come on.
God, was he in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.He played one of the Manson guys.
Wow.I need to rewatch that.
Yeah, he's the guy with the long black hair, beard.He says the line, I am the devil and I am here to do the devil's business.
Wow.I have only seen that once.I am due for a rewatch.
I mean, my, obviously my only frame of reference for him is Dune. Um, and I'm really excited to see where he goes from here.
Um, I really, I really hope that sorry, sorry, I don't mean to cut you off.I really hope that he's in heat too.Because I saw a video of him like doing gun training.I don't know if you've seen that yet.
Okay.Okay, so there was like a really like, well filmed video of Austin Butler, like doing gun training, and he excels at it like, like you're basically looking at a movie star in the making.
nice yeah he is a star he's a total star yeah i i really enjoyed watching like he went from appearing in disney channel shows and nickelodeon to being who he is now like it's amazing he is a star i love watching him in interviews right now because i've noticed that like
They're doing a lot of press, you know, with the whole cast.And he's so, he's very attentive to his cast members, I've noticed.Like they'll talk and he's really engaged and like actively listening.And I'm like, that's a good actor right there.
Like he's just an engaged and attentive person.And I'm like, that's what makes him good.Cause he's not thinking, oh, am I doing a good job?Am I a good actor?Blah, blah, blah.He's just concerned about what's going on with the people around him.
Yeah, it's not like the Tom Holland mentality, where you're thinking like, oh, am I a good actor because I'm in Spider-Man, or am I a good actor just because I'm in movies that should be good?It's the opposite of that.
He has a natural curiosity, I feel like, for just life and people, and to me that's the number one trait in a good actor.
Yeah, so you didn't pick any roles Foster Butler, right?Because you said that.
Yeah, I haven't really seen him in anything else.
OK, let's go.All right.Next up, Timothy.Timothy.Yeah.OK, come on.Paul Atreides.Number one.Yeah, yeah.We both agree that that's the best. I also put Bones and All, Little Women, which you've said was okay.
And I really liked him in Call Me By Your Name.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.Specifically, I like the scene where he's like staring into the fireplace and watch the credits like in the corner.And it just stays with you.I like that.
Yeah, he's, you know, he's very good in Call Me By Your Name.He just does such a fantastic job in that role.And then, yeah, Paula Treaty's number one for sure.And then I'm throwing Wonka in there.I'm throwing Willie Wonka in there.
Respect.Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, for sure.Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely throwing Wonka in there. Okay, I think, and again, I love Little Women.I just don't, and again, I love Lady Bird.I just don't think he's that good in it.
He's just there, you know?
Yeah, he's there.He's doing what he needs to do.
Yeah, exactly.Flo, Florence Pugh.I put, I think her best role is Amy March in Little Women.I think she's really good in it.Like, she has this like, I don't know if you remember the monologue that she does.That's what really stood out to me.
Actually, no, it's between Emmy March and Dani from Midsommar.She's awesome in Midsommar.
I think, and I've been saying this since 2019, if I could have chosen, I wish she would have gotten an Oscar nomination for Midsommar and not Little Women.I think she, to pull off the level of like,
grief and fear and that she holds in her for like three hours straight in that movie is so fucking impressive.And yeah, I think she does a great job in Little Women going from young Amy to old Amy.
You know, I think I'm realizing my problem with Little Women is I don't like the character of Amy. And like y'all, whatever, come at me.I just, I just can't get behind her.
You mean like how she looks the same, right?
No, no.I literally mean like down to like the way that she's written.I, okay.This is my problem with little women.Not to go off on a tangent, but this is what it is.I cannot get behind.And I, people would say, this is the point.I get that.
That's fine.I can't get behind Joe's sister marrying Lori. I watched that happen in theaters and I was like, what?What?I can't get behind it.I can't get behind it.
I mean, that's just kind of the reality of the relationship that you think you want doesn't exactly work out.I just think that Joe and Lori were better off as friends.
They just felt like I didn't, I felt like the film did not help me understand that turn. that was my problem with it.I didn't, I was, I didn't feel like I was given the tools to understand that.Maybe I'm just a dumb dummy.I don't know.
But every time I watch that moment, I'm like, I'm sorry, am I supposed to be like, I don't get that.Anyway, I'm not going down the little woman rabbit hole.
I mean, that's okay.It's how I feel about love.Actually, I don't really, I don't really get the relationships that happened in that movie, but people seem to like it.I don't know.
Yeah, to each their own.It's a well-made film.Everyone does a fantastic job in it.But yes, Midsommar, when I saw that, I was like, that was the first time I ever saw Florence Pugh in a film.
I was like, whoever this woman is, she's a star in the making.She is good.
Yeah, my actual intro to Florence was Fighting With My Family, in which she played the wrestler Paige.And I thought she was good in it, but yeah, definitely Midsommar was a better movie for her.
I also really liked her voice role as Goldilocks in Puss in Boots 2.
Yeah, yeah, she does a good job with that role.
Love Puss in Boots.Me too, man.The sequel was great.
All right, next up I have Rebecca Ferguson.Let's go.I love her so much.Yeah, me too.Wait, wait, wait, can I just say that, can I just say, like, there's another scene that I didn't talk about from part two.
Like, when she first drinks the water of life, She has an amazing choking face.She is so convincing as somebody who's choking.Nice.It's amazing.
That's so funny.So true.Shout out.
Yeah, so yeah, Lady Jessica is her best performance.There's no doubt.And I also really love her as Ilsa Faust in the Mission Impossible movies.
Yeah, yeah, she's great in Rogue Nation, Fallout being the best movie of that franchise.
And Dead Reckoning Part One.Nice.
My introduction to Rebecca and still my favorite role of hers is she's the main antagonist in Dr. Sleep, Mike Flanagan's Dr. Sleep.That criminally underrated movie, first of all, I still can't believe it's not more popular because it's just good.
I feel like Dr. Sleep came in wet for a lot of people.
I thought that was going to be a smash hit.Who doesn't want to see the Shining sequel?Mike Flanagan, he
expertly marries like Kubrick and King's shinings into the ones that he adapts the source material beautifully and Rebecca Ferguson in that film is so fucking scary it is impressive she is so captivating she's just like she's one of those actors where if she's on screen I cannot take my eyes off her I'm always going to be watching her
And she nails that villain.The scene where the young Jacob Trombley, is that his name?Yeah, Jacob Trombley, where he's like... When he gets murdered, that... And in the book, that scene is long.That's like a mini page.
It's so disturbing.Oh my god, and he even King killing kids.
Like what is he loves to kill kids?Yeah, but that's my that's my favorite role of hers maybe even over Lady Jessica they're tied for me she's a good villain.Ah, so good.
Oh, she plays more villains, you know Next up I have Leah see do I have the lobster and no time to die.What do you have?
let's see i need to look up what she's been in um because i know i know her like i know her face let's see here oh my god she was in blue is the warmest color that's her yeah that's her yeah um i mean i liked it i don't love it you know it's i heard the um
process was really... I know.
Yeah, like how the director abused the actresses on set.
So it sours the whole thing.Yeah, for me it's got to be the lobster.
I hope we see more of Lady Fenring in the next Dune.Me too.Because I really liked what we saw from her.
Yeah, me too.And next up, Stellan Skarsgård.Fucking resume this guy has.
I know, the whole Skarsgård family.Like, are you kidding me?Yeah.
Yeah, I am really, I'm really excited for Nosferatu, like, come on.Oh my gosh, I'm losing my mind over here.Adelta, why are you releasing it on Christmas when we could have it sooner, guys?
I know, I know, it's so evil.
I don't want to watch the crow, I want to watch this instead.
Yeah, the crow?More like David Ayers the crow.Yeah, because he looks like Jared Leto's Joker over here. Mm-hmm.So true.All right, Stellan Skarsgård.I have Andor.Mm-hmm.Grenoble.Like, come on.Harkonnen.Baron Harkonnen.Come on.The Baron.He's great.
He's really good.David Pincers.The girl with the dragon tattoo.
Yeah, I forgot he was in Chernobyl too.
Yeah, he's great in Chernobyl.But my absolute favorite performance from Stalin is in Andorra as Lufen Rail.He's one of the beginning rebels against the Empire.He has this amazing monologue in the final episode where he says something like,
where he says something like, what should I sacrifice?Everything.I'll send you the clip.It's it's it's a really good scene.And and I have and I have the Pirates of the Caribbean movies as yeah.Yeah.
That's what he said about like, you know, like makeup effects and like and how he thinks like and how he thinks like that process is better, like more than like visual effects.And like, you know what?This guy's cool.
Yeah, he is. Yeah, I really like him in Pirates of the Caribbean as well.Chernobyl, one of my all-time favorite limited series, and he does such a good job.
He has a tricky character in Chernobyl, and I think he does a really, really good job of balancing that.And yeah, definitely all the ones you listed as well, and he is just absolutely owning the Baron Harkonnen.Like, what a run.
What a run.He's so good.Yeah.Uh, now I got Christopher Walken. Okay, um, I really like him.I really liked when he hosted SNL back in like, back in the 2000s, like, like, like, like the more cowbell skit iconic.It's very completely iconic.Yeah.
Uh, Batman returns as Max Shrek.Why just like Batman?Because he is Batman, you moron. Frank Sr.in Catch Me If You Can, Steven Spielberg's Catch Me If You Can.Right, right.Deep cut.
With the limited screen time that he had, I really liked him in True Romance.Okay.And Martin McDonagh's Seven Psychopaths.
Have you seen Mouse Hunt?
No. I don't think I have.I've seen clips of it as a child, but I don't remember it.
Okay, it's... I don't know if it's just because I grew up on it that I'm like really affectionate towards it, but it's like a really, really dark comedy.Like, I rewatched it recently.I was like, this shit is dark.
He plays an exterminator character in that role that is so fucking- It got to exterminate this mouse.It's so fucking funny.And he just like goes there.He goes full Walken.So I'm gonna have to shout out Mouse Hunt 1997, Christopher Walken.
Hell yeah.He nails it.Okay.So you have rated Doom Part II five stars, right?
Four and a half, okay.Okay, that's fair.
I think once I watch it again, I will probably end up rating it five stars.I think that the fact that I had finished the book so recently, because there's a lot of changes, there's a lot of changes, and it was really jarring.
I was like, wait, why, why?Hold on.So it was a little jarring. And also like kind of what I mentioned earlier of where I feel like in Dune part one, it was very heavy on like the world building and the lore.
And like, I was kind of expecting more of that and it was much more focused.And so that jarred me as well.And so I let, like when I left Dune part one, I was like, that is one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life.Like I'm enamored.
And when I left Dune part two, I was like, I, that was so good.So good.I was like buzzing. And I'm confused about a couple things.So I suspect on a rewatch, I will give it five stars.
But for now, after my first reaction, I was just left feeling a little not like, like, I don't know.I can't explain it.
I just need to see it again.Right.Right.Yeah.By the way, I forgot Javier Bardem. Oh, yeah, that little known actor, Javier Bardem.Yes, exactly.My guy, Javier Bardem, who came from Madrid, Spain, you know?Yes.Yeah.OK. I'm gonna list a few.
I have No Country for Old Men as the iconic Tom Sugar.Like a step out of the car, please, sir.So iconic.Skyfall, where he plays the main villain, Raoul Silva. I did not like him at all in Dead Men No Tales.
Pirates of the Caribbean's Dead Men Tell No Tales.I thought he was awful in that movie.
I can't even think about it.
It's offensive.It just makes me sick to my stomach.It pisses me off.Why didn't we do that?Three movies was enough.Come on.
Exactly.Stilgar in the new movie.He's like, come on.He's doing so well. He's saying that he's not the Messiah because he's too humble that he's the Messiah.We didn't talk about the humor in the show.
The humor is good in the Doom movies because these people know how to write jokes.What's like Stilgar?
like uh like uh praises like you know paul for being the messiah it's funny but then you get to the other half of the movie and it's not funny anymore yes exactly like i thought it's so like sad to the to know that he's like leading his people into like into imminent doom yes so like he's basically doomed his people for like blindly worshiping a white guy yep oh man okay uh and also like
and also like i found a letterboxd review that would say that that said that this looks that that says that like he looks like he's from like
This looks like that he's from like Timothy Twitter or whatever like a fan chalamet whatever like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah like a fan account yes, and And I didn't like him as King Triton in the Little Mermaid.
I thought he looked a bit goofy under all that CGI makeup
Yeah, I haven't seen that.I really do not care for the Disney live action remakes to the point where I don't even really want to watch them.I think that it's Halle Bailey who was starring in that, right?
I think she's a star, genuinely.And I'm sure she did amazing, but I don't care.I think the animated Little Mermaid is a masterpiece, and I would watch that any day of the week.
yeah me too but you spared yourself of scuttlebutt just i you know i don't i i chose i chose self-love by not watching the little mermaid yeah yeah good for you thank you that's that's and that's the end of that that's the end of the cast i i do want to shout out for javier bardem i'm a mother truther um i haven't seen her i
I love an allegory.I love an allegory.And Mother is just one giant allegory.And I fucking love that movie.And I think he's really good in it.And I don't think it gets enough love.
I, I might watch Mother someday, but I'm not really a fan of Darren Aronofsky.
So it's, it's a hard watch.And it's it's divisive big time.Like, I felt like I don't know.I came out of that movie and I just had to like sit and stare at the floor for like 30 minutes.I couldn't really talk to anyone.
It was so overwhelming, but I do really like it and I think that he's good in it.
Okay, great.So for one of my five star reviews, I put Paul won't go south, right?No, like Paul says, Paul, I won't go south.Title card, Paul goes south.
And then the Always Sunny theme plays.Pretty much.Oh man, like I just had to put an Always Sunny reference in there.Yeah.But it only got about 60 likes.I thought it would blow up.
It's a saturated review section right now.There's so many, you know?
Like how are you guys getting 10,000 likes when I should be getting that?Your moment will come.Do you want to know what my follower count is on Litterbox?Do you want to know what it is?Sure. 1,962.
Thank you.Thank you.This year.Like, like, like, thank you.This year, I will, I will hit 2k.And I'm not even close to like, 1000.Sad.But you know what, I'll get there.
1k is definitely something to be excited about.
Yeah. Yeah, so what did you write in your Letterboxd review?It doesn't have to be like the review.Is it like a one word review or?
I wrote one sentence.I wrote The Holy War Begins.I felt like that was all I could think about as I walked out of that movie was I feel like I don't know what happens next.But I feel like I just watched the best prologue ever.These two movies.
I'm like, the anticipation is at peak for the next installment.I know that this holy war, this bloody, deadly conflict is coming.And I think they have built up the hype and expectations so high, but I trust Denis
Villain of maybe more than any other like filmmaker working today I know he will do right by the source material and I know he will just make like a good movie and so that's like That's what I was left feeling and I'm sure once I watch it again.
I'll do a lengthier review But yeah for that first watch I was just like let's fucking go let's fucking go.Yeah.
Yeah, I Yeah, and I'm so glad that, like, the baby didn't come out of, like, Rebecca Fergus' womb, because, like, if you know in the book, like, Jessica gives birth.Uh-huh.And, like, the baby is already, like, at Bene Gesserit.It's talking, whatever.
And I'm glad that Dineen made the decision to change from the baby killing Baron Harkonnen to Paul killing Baron Harkonnen himself.
Yes, that was a good change.That was one of the biggest changes and I completely agree.I was like. for the world that he's building and the story that he's telling.This is what makes sense.We do not need Alia to commit that crime.
Yeah, exactly.We don't need Alia.I don't know why I said... I don't know why I didn't say her name, Alia.
Anya Taylor-Joy.I know.Like, it's so crazy that she's in a Dune movie two months before Furiosa comes out.
I know!And isn't... Wait, is she in Nosferatu?
People are teasing us.Like, what?What's up?
Oh, that's right.That's right.That's right.
Yeah, like she was originally signed on but like, but but but about but had to drop out.So gotcha.Gotcha.
Well, regardless, she's I would have like, I would have killed for another like,
like for another collaboration with, I keep forgetting the director's name.
Yes, Robert Eggers.Thank you.I thought that I would have killed for another Anya Robert Eggers, you know, movie, but I guess, but I guess not this year, right now.
Yeah, they'll work again together, I'm sure.
Yeah, yeah.Oh, yeah, absolutely.And also, And yeah, we basically spared ourselves of a Renesmee CGI disaster.
Yeah, he saw Breaking Dawn Part 2 and said, you know what?No, I'm not doing that.
CGI babies are a terrible idea, actually.It's a bad idea.
Also, what would the alternative be?Hiring a two-year-old?
not gonna work.Hey, okay.Okay, so so so I know that you're two years old, but I need you to learn how to hold a Chris knife like this.Okay, exactly.
Exactly.So funny.I think he I think it was a really smart choice.I love that he we got like a moment where we get to see Anya and she I think just like it's gonna fit so seamlessly into this world in this cast.I can't wait.
Yeah, me too.Me too.So you've said that your favorite Dini movies are either Arrival or Blade Runner 2049.
Yeah, I think same here.Yeah, I think if it comes down to it, I would probably pick Arrival.To me Arrival just has the strongest like emotional core on top of a miraculously engaging entertaining sci-fi world.
And then I'm just such like a Blade Runner girly.And I, I fully expected Blade Runner 2049 to suck.I was like, there's no way you can make a legacy sequel to Blade Runner, like you can't do it.
And then Denis was like, actually, they can and I will and it's gonna be one of the best sci-fi movies of the decade.And I was like, okay.
Yes, JJ, here's a legacy sequel.
It is so crazy good.And I just Genuinely, I just love it.I love the story.I love the acting.The visuals.
I need to watch Blade Runner again.
Yeah, I'm due for a rewatch as well.
It's crazy that Dineen made two fantastic sequels.I know.Barely any director has ever done that.Minus Sam Raimi with Evil Dead 2 and Spider-Man 2.
Yeah, he really just knows.He's an artist.I feel like that's what it comes down to.
he has a really strong point of view on what he wants his projects to be instead of ask, and I mean, he also has like the reputation and the talent to like kind of back it up.
But I feel like so many filmmakers now, because they're at the mercy of executives, it's just all about what's gonna make the most money.And then you just get these like soul lists, because there's no art in it.
You know, kind of the constant joke of like, wow, remember when the film industry was run by people who actually liked movies?
This is what you get when you have filmmakers who are filmmakers because they love film and they have a really strong point of view.So I just adore him.
Yeah, exactly.The reason why the Dune movies, the Batman, the Spider-Man movies from Sam Raimi, and even the Tim Burton ones are great. is because the studios let them cook.
Well, I mean, like, mine is Spider-Man 3 just because, just because, like, just because Sam Raimi didn't really like the idea of Venom being in the third movie.Right.So, like, he was forced to do that.So.
Yeah, I hope that executives see what's going on with Dune, because this is going to be maybe the highest grossing movie this year, or certainly one of them.And I hope they realize that, like, if, yeah, if you let an auteur
cook if you let them do what they want to do and you give them the freedom to do that like the fact that this is such a smash hit like i have people at my work who like haven't even seen lord of the rings ever being like oh i'm seeing doom part two tonight which is like crazy to me this is like this dense very cerebral sci-fi story but it's everyone loves it because it's just good
Yeah, exactly.It's just good.Sometimes you don't got to understand the war.It's just, you just got to like, you just got to vibe with it.Don't question it.
It's just got that mass appeal.It feels like it's from a different era of filmmaking that we just don't get to see anymore.And audiences love that.So I really, really hope that more executives kind of see what's happening here and yeah, allow their
their directors to just do what they need to do and to give them the money and the freedom to do it.
Tomorrow is the Oscars.Oh my god, I got I'm like, so, so nervous.Like, like who knows, like you know who knows what would win, and I might drop a bit of a hot take here.
I wouldn't be mad if Sterling K Brown won the Oscar for best supporting actor, you know, that's just me. It's just that part of me thinks that Robert Downey Jr.in Oppenheimer was a bit of an overrated performance.He's good.He's good.
I don't understand why this man is winning all these awards this season.Did we watch the same movie?Okay.
Okay.He was fine.He's a good actor.Yeah, he's good, but I think the praise... I don't get it.Yeah, yeah, yeah.The praise is too overwhelming for me.
It's confusing, but... And it's just part of me who's really upset that... He's gonna win.
Yeah, it's just part of me that really... It's just part of me who's really upset that Charles Melton and Dominic Sessa didn't get nominated.
Yeah, that would have been really exciting and I think very well deserved on both counts.
Like we almost, like I'm telling you, the Riverdale actor Oscar pipeline was almost there.
We were so close, so close.
We were so close to greatness.
I just hope, I don't think it's going to happen.And this I think is a hot take, but I think Cillian Murphy will win the Oscar.And I think he was very good in Oppenheimer, but my personal choice is Paul Giamatti.
Nice.I wouldn't be mad about that.You know?Yeah.I've heard a lot of people say, oh, oh, actually, Paul Giamatti might win.I'm like, yeah, OK.I also think he could, but I don't think it will happen. Yeah, yeah.
I've also said the same thing about, you know, like, I've also said, like, you know, and I've also, and I've been saying this, like, I think, I think last year, like, the Oscar for Best Actor could have gone to Colin Farrell for Banshees of Inasharan instead of Brendan Fraser.
He's great, but he was in the wrong type of movie, whereas with Banshees of Inasharan, it's an insanely great movie, and Colin was so good at it.
Yeah, Colin, he is a really remarkable actor, one of the best working today.Exactly.
He's really good.The Penguin Show is going to be so good.
It's going to be really good.Yeah.
Oh my god.I want it.I need it.I need it.Come on.And yeah, so I picked for Best Picture.I think obviously Oppenheimer is going to win, but I wouldn't be mad if Killers of the Flower Moon took it.I could not agree more.
I am not the biggest Oppenheimer fan in the world.I think it is an objectively extraordinarily made film with everyone on their A-game.Just wasn't for me, did not, I was like, okay.After watching it, certainly not my favorite Nolan.
And I, if it came down to my choices of what I think should win Best Picture, it would be Killers of the Fire Moon or Poor Things.
Exactly.Yeah, yeah, yeah.And you loved Poor Things, right?
And so did I. I loved Poor Things.
I loved Poor Things, yeah.I really, I really did.That's his best Yorgos to me, you know.
Yeah, yeah.It's ahead of, yeah, it's ahead of the favorite for me, so.
Wow. Oh, yeah.I loved it.Loved it.Yeah.Nice.
OK.Best actress, obviously, Lily Gladstone.Like, come on.
If there were any category I could predict a possible upset, it would be that one, just because I feel like I have heard the theory that the votes will split between Lily and Emma Stone.
And then a potential Sandra Holler upset could happen if the votes get split.So we will see.But my vote is for Lily.
And yes, the whole screaming scene where she's fighting with her husband, you have something bettier and meaner.That moment, that's great.But come on.When you watch Lily, she's the performance.She's the movie.Come on.She's the movie.She's the movie.
yeah i i'm very very i'll be very disappointed if she does not win that will be a big clown moment for hollywood big time i think for editing i think jennifer lame or uh or uh linda whatever her fucking name is um like like like thelma yes either jennifer lame or thelma schumacher
Both women should be tied for best editing, because I just think the editing of both movies are insanely good.
And... And yeah, costume design... Okay, costume design should go to Poor Things.I wouldn't be surprised if it's Barbie.
It took the words right out of my mouth.
I think that Poor Things should take costume and production design. But I think that Barbie could potentially take one of them.
Yeah.Or a director.What are you thinking?
It's going to be Nolan.This is obviously, you know, every once in a while, I feel like you get a season where Hollywood just decides they're going to reward a certain filmmaker.And that is not to say that Oppenheimer is not a good movie.It is.
It's excellent. But I think they have collectively decided, like, this is the year we're giving Nolan his flowers.So I think it will go to Nolan.I need to look at the nominees.
Like Yorgos is also nominated.
Oh, yeah.I mean, I just really, really liked.
I just really liked Poor Things.I think it was, I just think it was so good.Yeah. I wish it would, I would love to see Yorgos win for that.I would also love to see, honestly, I would love to see Zone of Interest more in the conversation.
I just think that how that movie was made is so remarkable and creative and artistic, and I wish it was more in the conversation, but I understand why it's not.
Yeah, because it came out pretty late in January, and not a lot of people saw it until late January, early February.
Yeah, for sure.But that's one of those movies that's like, I don't really want to watch it again, but it's really sticking with me.
yeah uh and and yeah i guess oh oh for oh oh okay best supporting actress who do you think would you obviously divine joy randolph come on yeah like yes like she she will she will win and she should win exactly yeah i think that she i i hope we see her in more yeah in more stuff after that movie god i love the holdovers oh my gosh
Yeah, yeah, I have the... Yeah, I have the collector's edition with me.
Oh my gosh, lucky!Wanna see it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go grab it.
Wow! Look at that gorgeous.I need to get my hands on a physical copy.
I wish I got a Blu-ray instead, but I'm happy with this purchase.
Yeah, for sure.Yeah.Super cool.
Mm hmm.Yeah, okay.Awesome.We have, we've now reached the end.Aaron, I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming back to Santee Time.It's always great chatting about movies, sci fi, what we love, really, you know, like, it's
It's great having you here today, and who knows, maybe I'll use the voice again to persuade you to come back for House of the Dragons, since we're both really excited for it.It comes out in June!
thanks for um thanks for having me back i i could not resist uh talking about dune one of quickly becoming one of my favorite franchises um and yeah love talking movies with you well actually well actually i don't think we'll talk about house of the dragon in june because in june i'm going to spain because uh-huh
because my parents are throwing a 25th anniversary wedding celebration and they're inviting all of their friends, their family.
It's going to be- That is going to be so fun.
I know.It's going to be great.
Congrats to your folks.That's a huge moment.It is.It really is.I hope you have the best time in Spain with all your friends and family.That sounds amazing.
I'm going to spend three weeks in Spain.Wow.I'm also going to spend my birthday there.
Oh, Gemini season in Spain.Oh my gosh, what could happen?
I'm probably gonna go out drinking with my cousins.Just, you know, yeah.
Best part of hanging out with the cousins.
Ah, well, fantastic.We can talk House of the Dragon when you get back.
Yeah, absolutely.Thank you.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.You heard it here first.House of the Dragon discussion this summer.
There you go.All right.All right.Thank you guys so much for for for tuning in.You could see two.
uh i think you can see dune part two in theaters wherever you are you know like be sure be sure to watch it in the biggest screen you can if there's an imax near you you know i think there should be more imaxes so agreed and more rpxs
yes yes yeah like doing is keeping the movies alive and i love it really is in that yeah uh so so so the socials i have you can follow me on letterboxd twitter and uh and instagram and tiktok
for now, because Congress is trying to ban TikTok again, which I don't think will happen.We've been down this road before for what, the fourth or fifth time?The ban is not gonna happen, guys.Let's all chill here, okay?
It's not gonna happen.And even if Joe Biden considers even banning it, he's just gonna back out at the last minute.That's just what the outcome will be.Erin, where can they find you?
Yeah, I'm on Instagram at Erin Elise.So that's E-R-Y-N dot E-L-Y-S-E.And not only do I love talking about writing, but I also do a lot of writing.
And if you want to stay up to date on my projects and hear me talk about writing process and theory, you can follow me on TikTok at E-E-M dot writes.So my initials E-E-M dot W-R-I-T-E-S.
Um, if you want to hear me talk about writing and see what I'm working on.
Yeah.Yeah.Great.And yeah, I really do like, like watching your writing process, you know, I'm excited to see what you're cooking up, you know?
So yeah, I got a lot of, I got a lot of stuff happening.Um, and I'm excited to just, just keep going and yeah, show everyone what I got when it's done.
Great.Okay, guys.Thank you so much for listening on Santy Time.And I will see you all soon.Bye bye.
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