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I just, Trump is running, Buck, I think the most fun presidential campaign that I can remember in modern memory.
And what's staggering about it is he's doing it just a few months after a bullet came within a quarter of an inch of blowing his head off.
The amount of joy, the amount of resiliency, the amount of sheer fun that he is packing into the last couple of weeks of this campaign is really pretty extraordinary.And we're going to play a couple of cuts from you yesterday.
Donald Trump was with Brett Favre and our friend Eric Hovde up in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
And he showed up, came off of the airplane dressed as a garbage man after Donald Trump, sorry, after Joe Biden referred to Trump supporters as garbage and proceeded to climb into a garbage truck and conduct a press conference inside of the garbage truck.
He then went to the rally and did the entire rally wearing a garbage man jacket. And Buck, it has completely taken over the news media cycle.
Even the left-wing media that wanted to pretend Joe Biden didn't call Trump supporters garbage has been forced to cover Trump mocking that assertion by Biden.And it has taken over now a couple of days of the news cycle.
Whatever Kamala Harris said on Tuesday in her big ellipse speech is totally vanished from the news cycle.
I'm sure with your behind-the-scenes coverage of the MSNBC crazy people, you are beginning to detect that they are being driven a bit bonkers as Trump continues to command the news cycle and they're slowly a realization setting in that he is likely to win on Tuesday as the early voting numbers continue to be in Republican favor.
We've got a sprint through the finish line.All of you have to get out and vote. But Trump is commanding the stage, whether it was working as a fry cook at McDonald's, whether it was taking over Madison Square Garden.
and now driving around in a garbage truck in a garbage outfit, he has completely commandeered all news coverage in frankly a joyful and genius combination, the likes of which I don't think we've ever seen.
Can you remember a presidential candidate who appeared to be having more fun down the stretch run than right now Donald Trump?I cannot.It's really amazing to see.
I thought it was so much fun also because the more fun Trump has, the more he ends up trolling people who are miserable and hate him.
So it's this double effect of when Trump is doing things that show the people who support him that he actually doesn't take himself too seriously, he's having a good time, he wants to, it's funny, Kamala talks about joy.
I see nothing joyful about her campaign ever.In fact, it always feels a little bit like you're in some kind of waiting room of a medical office or something when you see these Kamala rallies, everyone's kind of just like, yeah, this is great.
I don't think they think it's great. They have tried so hard to convince everyone through saying that Trump is a fascist and that this will be the end of democracy.
I think that they've recognized at this point, Clay, if you are capable of taking in information and making a judgment about it, Meaning you have not been brainwashed.
I mean, you have not been subject to effectively a sustained campaign of propaganda and mind control.If you are able to make judgments about information as it comes to you, when they say Trump is a fascist, you say that's that's just silly.
It's just silly.I mean, it's a lie, but it's also absurd.And I think that there's a bit of a creeping hysteria now at the notion that this may not go Kamala's way.
And it's funny because at some level, the emotional stakes, the stakes for the country, I think, Clay, are very high.And we can get into that.The emotional stakes, though, will be fine.You and I will be fine.If Trump doesn't win this thing,
uh... we're not gonna cry we're not going to be we're not going to say that uh... it's time for despair and it will come here will figure it out maybe we have the senate maybe of the house you know we get weaned you're up jd vance is phenomenal you got a whole bunch of other people the top of the g lp who are going to be maga for the next generation
So we'll be fine.I still think Trump's going to win, to be clear.And I think the Democrats realize that, too.But my point is merely we go into this thinking, all right, I hope America makes the right choice.
Clay, the other side is ready for total emotional Chernobyl. Yeah, they cannot handle and they've convinced themselves of this.They've created this world in which if Donald Trump wins, everything falls apart.
Now, some of them like the some of the MSNBC hosts and the commentators, they don't really believe it.Right.It's just this is a way to manipulate and entice the audience.
Catastrophism is always interesting to people, especially those who are emotionally unstable. But Trump's having a great time.
Let's play some of the excerpts from his speech, because they were phenomenal.I've got here Cut 14.This is Trump telling the story of how the garbage truck and the orange vest came to be at his Green Bay, Wisconsin rally yesterday.Listen to Cut 14.
So this outfit, you know, is when he called us all garbage.How stupid, what a stupid word.That blows deplorable away, don't you think? Of course, I thought irredeemable when she said deplorable or irredeemable.
I thought irredeemable was actually worse, but deplorable seemed to catch up.But this garbage stuff blows it away.So I'm in this beautiful plane, I'm enjoying myself, have a wonderful suit on.And one of my people came in and said, sir,
You know, the word garbage is the hottest thing right now.Out there.The hottest thing out there.Sir, would you like to drive a garbage truck?
And we've got more.Buck, there's about five minutes there of Trump talking about wearing the garbage outfit.And we've got that now where he says that he was like, there's no way.
So he talks all about, and a part of me thinks, in fact, guys, can you just pull, I shared I think a five minute clip, maybe in the third hour.We almost never do this to play a clip that long.
I think it's so incredibly funny and illustrative of what Trump is actually like that if you guys didn't hear it I think you may love it in the third hour so put a pin in this we don't usually play things for that long sometimes we go to live events and play it but I think we may even be
needing to play that whole five minutes for you because it was so good, but there's a snippet of it.
Here's another part of it, Buck, where he says he wasn't planning on wearing the outfit, but they told him that it made him look slimmer, and this is really funny.Again, listen.
I got in the car, and I'm driving over here, and I have this still on, and I come into the arena, and I say, where's my jacket?I want to get out of this thing. And they said, it would be unbelievable if you could wear it on stage.And I said, no way.
I got 25,000 people standing outside.I got all these people here.There's no way I'm wearing it on stage.They said, okay, sir.I said, get me my jacket.But if you did, it actually makes you look thinner.I said.And they got me.
I said, I want to wear it on stage.When they said I looked thinner, I said, in that case, I'll wear it on stage.
Buck, calling this guy Hitler, you can disagree with anybody politically.The thing that you and I really have never been able to get over, and I think it's registering more and more with a lot of other people, he's a really likable, joyful guy.
He's not dour, he's not trying to kill people.The idea that he's Hitler is so laughably absurd.The fact that it works for anyone, to me, is a function of how broken their brains are.That's the only way to even defend it.
One of the frustrations that we all have to just be prepared for is that whoever the next Republican is on deck, they're also going to say is a fascist.It doesn't really matter.They just are engaged in a campaign of emotional manipulation.
uh... and and of course the democrat party i think is defined more by uh... hysteria than anything else now uh... if you don't go along with it you were not to be trusted playout you all know what i was watching this morning 400 historians, 400.
And I want to say, I see they're like, what does that even mean?Well, you get a bunch of like a third tier college history professors who've written one book to be like, I don't like Donald Trump.I'm supposed to care.
I'm so angry as a history guy, Buck.I love history.I like reading history books.I thought about getting a PhD in history.I could have been one of those, you know, college professors who are teaching history.
They're all their brains are broken and if anything they should have more of an understanding of not being emotionally overwritten by the moment because history teaches us to be humble and Intelligent about the flow of history.
And so when I hear all these historians going on morning Joe, I mean tell us what it was like I mean, I I They really are go first of all there.
They had a whole set I probably need to stop, guys.Maybe just after the election I need to stop watching Morning Joe because it's like an entry into a parallel universe that none of you are dealing with.
None of you have to go through this portal into madness.But I sit there, I drink my Crockett coffee, so at least it feels like I have a safety blanket that I'm drinking, if you will.I sit there with my Crockett coffee, I watch Morning Joe.
and they're just living on another planet.I think, I try to understand what it is that they're saying and come to their perspective, or how do they come to their perspective.
Clay, they were talking this morning about how Donald Trump, just like Joe Biden, has cognitive decline. Yeah.There was a segment about this.I'm like, Donald Trump is doing stand-up comedy on the fly and two hour long rallies.I don't even know.
And they're talking about cognitive decline.There is no connection to reality for these people.And the things they say about Kamala Harris, you know what the primary message is?That she's going to be a uniter and a moderate.
there is nothing nothing in kamala harris is whatever i would issue like fifty nine or something or like roughly six hundred sixty yahoo sixty okay her rough her sixty years of life there is nothing to indicate kamala harris is a moderate is a uniter is competent is a particularly hard worker is particularly efficient gets things done whether it's alleged as a legislator as a prosecutor
And they're just talking about how great she's gonna be.And they had these 400 historians who were saying the future, I am not exaggerating, the future of the country, Clay, hangs in the balance if Donald Trump gets a second term.
How do you even discuss this with people?How do you even approach this?
There's so much fun, let's have fun, but I do think Trump actually directly addressed the cognitive attacks buck by saying he was so nervous climbing into the garbage truck because if you look at how much he had to lift himself, I mean that's not an easy thing to do for a young man if you look at how high the step up.
brilliantly attacks what they would have said if he weren't able to pull himself all the way up in there.I think we need to play it in the third hour.
I think we need to kick back, let people hear about what I think is five minutes of the best, most entertaining rally material just from a pure fun perspective that maybe has ever existed in my life in a presidential campaign.
When we come back in the third hour, we'll play that for you.In the meantime, we'll dive into the data.We got a lot to share with you here.Have some fun, by the way.It's also Halloween, and there's some good fun topics we can have as well.
We'll take some of your calls.I'm in a festive mood, Buck, because I am very optimistic, as we sit here five days out, and I love Halloween.It's a pretty fabulous day.
Clay's clearly got plenty of energy, like Donald Trump, who is ready to throw bags full of trash into the back of the garbage truck.Our friend Vivek Ramaswamy, also throwing bags of trash around.
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I gotta tell you, Clay, I almost said of Trump and Kamala she's suffering.Because that's what's top of mind.We're in the midst of the absolute peak of the election cycle.
And I just ran up a flight of stairs at light speed because I realized that we were in a commercial break that was coming to an end.So let me say this as I am catching my breath here, Clay.
Some of the things that we are seeing from the Kamala campaign
you would absolutely expect which would be the phrases about how she's going to help middle class and all that stuff about how she hates on trump one area where i think she has particular weakness is on the economy because i view it as such kamala has been the vice president for four years she has been part of an administration that has been the steward
of the economy now if we're gonna play the game that they always do which is it was obama's economy when it's good uh... it's trumps economy when it's bad or you know whatever that they like to pretend that you can actually a scribe any economic good things were bad things to any individual administration that's nonsense
That I think is just an indicator of how much the Kamala Biden economy has been an absolute mess.So, when Bill Clinton is up there in Muskegon?Is that right?How do you do it?
I think that's right.Yeah, in Michigan, right?
Muskegon?Yeah, Muskegon Heights, Michigan.I just don't want to offend the good people of Muskegon Heights by saying it wrong.Muskegon Heights, Michigan.
Bill Clinton's like, well, yeah, I mean, the economy was better under Donald Trump, but... This is 18.Play it.
I don't think it's right to say that people have to vote for Donald Trump because the economy was better there.I don't believe that.
not a good enough reason apparently uh... devote because the economy was better you know they've they've put out all of these different democrats they wish they didn't have to have the current occupant of the white house joe biden as somebody who was a surrogate for com out there but they do play on the economic issue you'd i saw the governor of new jersey and i'll grab some of this audio for everybody in a back-and-forth
with one of the guys on the Squawk Box CNBC show.I forget his name, but Kernan, I think his name is Kernan. And he asked the governor of New Jersey, he goes, hey, what is the Kamala economic policy that you like?
Not Donald Trump is Hitler, not, you know, this is our democracy.These are meaningless phrases, okay?
And just to be clear, as they're lecturing us about fascism and autocracy, every autocracy, every fascist, there's a reason they call it the People's Republic of China.
there's a reason why they called the democratic people's republic of north korea right they try to take the language
of democracy human rights dignity et cetera and use it for the worst regimes possible using the words means absolutely nothing in fact it's often a tell the people who are like we're all about democracy every dictator says that they're about the people always but clay when he tries to get some push or when he tries to push uh... the governor jersey phil murphy was a big democrat
Well, but it was also a Wall Street guy.That's the whole point, right?He's a former Wall Street.Wasn't he a senior guy at Goldman Sachs?He's trying to push him on what the best Kamala policy is.He can't think of one.
And every economic policy that there's any discussion of from Kamala Harris, right, whether it's taxing unrealized gains,
what is what is fair taxation this did she's got away with an entire campaign of saying we're gonna be a make people pay their fair share which is an obama is in by the way obama used to say that you means nothing
right i mean this is this is very much a time when i think people could go back and read orwell's animal farm and they will understand the slogans all of course meant to be it's a really biting satire of the soviets saying things like pay your fair share what is that it means nothing it's it's whatever you say it is and i just think that people are recognizing the kamala campaign has no economic policy that they're willing to say out loud
I, there are several stats about the way that we focus on taxation now that drive me crazy.But one of them buck is, you know, over half of Americans don't pay a dollar in federal income tax.If you are listening to us right now and you pay $1,
in federal income tax, you are in the top half of taxpayers in America.So when they run around and try to say, oh, we've got to make sure the rich pay their fair share, I believe the top 20% pays 80% of all federal income tax.
That seems way more than a fair share to me. And look, I've been in the camp where I didn't make very much money, and I didn't have to pay very much in taxes.
And now, fortunately, I make a lot more money, but I don't feel like the money that I'm giving to the federal government is in any way, by and large, being spent well.
I think that I could spend it better to try to help America to a large extent than the federal government could.And this is why, big picture,
Our federal budget is broken, and I love the idea, Buck, of, I would vote for Trump just based on, hey, Elon Musk, go look at the federal budget and figure out what we can just try and cut.
because Elon says he thinks he could find $2 trillion in savings in our federal budget.Wouldn't you like to have somebody as smart as Elon Musk just going through the federal budget line by line?
He fired 75% of the people at Twitter and the company works just as well as it did before.
i don't know what percentage of federal employees that we fire yeah i know a lot of people that are making uh... real money off of off of uh... x now no longer twitter yes but that was never the case before uh... twitter was getting a free ride off everybody else now you're really a partner with twitter and you also have free speech as a result of it i think you on must going in with a chainsaw in the federal budget
you have to do it and it would be scary to some people right of the notion of how much he would cut when you start to look at what it what cutting a trillion or two trillion dollars out of the federal budget would look like uh... it's gonna touch things that people don't want to touch this is one of the problems we have you cannot win in american politics right now if you are serious about tackling the debt and if you really want to start to pay it down you cannot win you will not win donald correct very in favor of all entitlements that's a reality
What you need is effectively a shock therapy where Elon Musk and his team, because he would build a team to do this, comes in and they go, we are going to unshackle the productivity and private economy of the American people from this behemoth of federal spending.
And then the prosperity and the explosion of real wealth, not money printing, which is just meant to paper over the fact that we're giving more to people than we are producing in some sectors,
The money printing is is a death sentence for our economy over the long term.Elon comes in under a Trump administration, dramatically cuts that budget.They will freak out.They will say it at the end.But they've already said that we're all Hitler.
So who really cares?And Clay, it would be remarkable.I mean, you see, it would be a little bit like Calvin Coolidge back in the day.Right.Calvin Coolidge brought income tax rates down enormously.
actually cut spending, cut the budget, and they were always all cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria.Then, of course, not.Roaring 20s, massive economic advancements, and a boom.
I think that we could have a tremendous amount of prosperity and a much better long-term financial security as a nation for all people
if you unleashed Elon in that in that regard but remember uh i think when was Bastia the law written i think it's 17th century and clay he was writing on on uh on the the fiction of the state as everyone thinking they can live at the expense of everyone else right and it's true
it's true that's what that's what the democrats offer they offer the fiction that you can be uh... effectively on a sorry eighteen fifty i think so i did seven in eighteen hundred eighteen fifty uh... but that's all that's what they offer that everyone else will pay for all of your stuff yes and this is this is a long-range conversation five days we get an important election
The argument for Trump on the economy has already been made because we had the best economy in the history of the United States when he was in for his first term.
And that's why there is a nostalgic desire for that to return and all of their attacks on Trump are predicated on COVID happening and largely blue state and blue cities shutting down and forcing everybody to go home and not work.
February 2020 are the greatest economic numbers that have ever existed.Do you miss 2.5% mortgages?Do you miss inflation at 1.5%, 2%?
Do you miss your wages significantly outpacing the rate of inflation that is real money in your pocket for white, black, Asian, and Hispanic individuals?If you miss all of that,
I believe Trump can return it if he's given the opportunity, but what Buck's saying is so important.
Whatever happens the next four years, we have major structural issues that have to be addressed over the next generation, over the next two generations.If you're around our age, Buck, let's say you're 40 and you hope to live into your 80s,
I have zero faith that social security as it exists now is going to be my safety net when I'm 80 years old living in the United States.Zero.Because the math just doesn't math.
And at some point, that becomes a big, huge, massive obstacle towards economic growth that we have to reckon with.But in the short term, Trump is the right economic answer.
But make no mistake, no matter who the president is, the challenges are still going to exist in the future.And candidates, by and large, only want to focus on the present.They don't really want to focus on the long, long range.
But the way to solve this, I thought Art Laffer, who was on with us recently, said, look, the growth rate of the economy is the key.That's really how you put America in a different stratosphere.We have to get up to 4% growth.
We have to get up to 4% plus growth because then the amount of money being brought in on all fronts, rising tide lifts all boats.It's not a complicated economic picture.
And there's also the energy.People can ask, well, what would Trump do?What's different?There's the cutting of spending, the elimination of regulation.
When you see, you run a business, and we're running a business together now, you see the stuff you have to deal with that is really just all non-productive rent-seeking from the regulatory and government economy.Whatever business you are in,
whatever you're dealing with if you're running an auto body shop if you're you know uh... but if you're a general contractor if you're uh... you know whatever it is there are all of these unnecessary and onerous cost put on you because on elected unaccountable bureaucrats particularly the federal but often at the state level as well decide that it's
fair or it's sustainable or it's equity you start to pull all those shackles off the american people the american government just by a approaching it with a common sense attitude of we've got it is it isn't even the thing we have to worry about this why are you doing this
it would be a dramatic will be a sea change i think the american economy and and this is what uh... gets me excited about the prospect of trump dot two point out was to really just chainsaw to the to the not just the deep state but the bureaucratic state we'd unleash individual excellence in this country
And I think Trump would do a better job of it by far than Kamala.
And if you've ever founded a small business, if you've ever had to make payroll, if you have ever had other people's ability to take care of their families on your shoulders, then you know better than anybody out there, by and large on the Democrat side, how to grow business and how to take responsibility for
individual success in this country.And Trump is going to do a better job of that by far.Economics is not even close if you have a functional brain in terms of who's going to grow the country bigger, better, and faster.
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stories of freedom stories of america inspirational stories that unite us all each day spend time with clay and bob find them on the free i heart radio app or wherever you get your podcast welcome back in the play and but i i'd mention this before i've done some deep diving into the official kamala economic policy side of things and uh... it is
just a lot of jargon there is no there there i'm not the only one who has figured this out either over at uh... cnbc uh... you have uh... phil kernan I think it's Phil Kernan, right?Phil Murphy.Joe Kernan.
Joe Kernan.Thank you.Yeah, yeah.
Joe Kernan, Phil Murphy.There we go.You got Kernan and Murphy.And I thought the Simpson because it's not just OK.He's a Democrat governor of a big state, New Jersey, which he is Murphy.Horrible on COVID, by the way, just throwing that out there.
I remember because I was living in New York at the time and in New Jersey, I was seeing the press conferences, too.And I was like, you got to be kidding me.You know, they're just horrible stuff.Idiot stuff.
uh... but anyway murphy was always a wall street guys rich guy and so he should understand how an economy works i want to hear what karen is asking straight up just explain to me the thing you like that kamala says not that's like a a concept right like play i'm going to make everyone rich is a concept i'm going to make everyone rich you can say that that sounds good but it leaves open how
What are you going to do, right?I mean, Clay, if you were coaching a football team and you went in before the game, you said, guys, we're going to win this game. And that was all you said.
People might have some questions like, hey, coach, how are we going to win this game?And that is at its essence what is missing with Kamala ism, if you will.There is no explanation.There's only these airy phrases.
There's only, you know, it's and and this is what happens when when somebody who works in the world of financial journalism asks somebody who understands finance, hey, what do you like about Kamala?Play the clip, please.
Governor, if we went on a checklist, you like Kamala Harris, not just against.Let me ask you, do you believe we should abolish the filibuster?And you can answer after I do it.How about getting rid of private insurance?
How about taxing unrealized gains?How about nationalizing energy?How about mandatory gun buybacks like Australia?How about decriminalizing illegal crossings, ending cash bail, child gender reassignment surgery being paid for in prison?
raising the corporate tax rate, what are your favorite proposals from Kamala Harris that make you like her so much?
Which of those- Joe, for a Jersey guy, you sound like you're on the Trump campaign, for crying out loud.Come on, man.
Okay, well, which of those do you like?
You're cherry-picking stuff.
Which of those do you like?Which of those do you like?
Let me tell you, he had no answer.
uh... we continue that club which may wish to play a little bit more of it there there's a new personal he goes at hominem clay which is always a big tip off right you all you know i was trying to kind of funny music your jersey guy you should know better now that this is the real honest what is the thing that kamala harris has said she will do not a feeling she will evoke the thing she will do that will accomplish anything you know what is the lever that will be pulled that will result in the following action
I don't know.Does anybody know?I mean, they talk about things in these broad and sweeping terms, and I think it's very obvious because Kamala has no substance.
She doesn't know what she's talking about, she doesn't know how anything in the economy actually functions, and this is what happens.
She's a mess.And I do think that if you are in the finance world, those questions are great.What is she going to do that you specifically agree with?And I don't even think it just has to be limited to the finance world, Buck.
I think anyone out there. If you are asking them, what do you think Kamala Harris has done well so far such that she deserves a promotion and will do well in the office of the presidency?I've never heard anybody answer that.
I mean, it's one thing to not agree with Trump, but almost everybody is voting on the Democrat side against Trump.They aren't supporting Kamala.And that's important because she's in office right now.
At least in 2020, Joe Biden could spin the web of, I'm going to restore normalcy to the country.I'm Scranton Joe.I'll solve all the issues that have arisen, in particular COVID.
That's an argument, now it wasn't realized, but he wasn't in office and he was saying, I'll do a better job.What argument has Kamala actually made suggesting she deserves a promotion?
If Kamala Harris's record existed in your place of employment, would she deserve a job, a promotion? Take it away from the President of the United States.
If she was the number two person in sales at your car dealership, and the guy who ran the car dealership had gotten too old and he was retiring, and sales had collapsed, and the overall success rate of the company was down,
would people inside of the car dealership be like hey you know what we need to do stick with the leadership that we have right now she would never get a promotion someone trying to run a rational business that was failing as kamala has failed as vp would never elevate her to ceo or commanding position and again buck that what joe kernan did there really just illustrates
The only reason people are voting for Kamala is because, to a large extent, people's brains have been broken by negative Trump stories, and they have bought into derangement syndrome.
And the reason why I'm cautiously optimistic five days out that Trump is going to win is there are a lot of you out there listening to us right now who might have bought that argument in 2016, who might even have bought that argument in 2020, but your eyes have been opened
And you have come to see how illegitimate that argument is.And I thought the clip we played of CBS was a perfect distillation of this.And in fact, in the third hour, maybe we'll dive into this.
Did you see Brian Stelter saying, if Trump wins, basically the mainstream media is dead?I'm paraphrasing the tweet he sent.
Import we should hit that I did see that I was thinking about that for today's show as well Because it is true.How do all these?Mainstream, I don't like that term.
We still use it sometimes by habit these legacy Democrat outlets clay how do they tell everybody that it's the end of democracy and Trump is Hitler and Then he wins and then everything's actually going along just fine How would you listen to anybody who does that ever get the entire Democrat media has gone along with that?
And again, we'll read that exact tweet, but I do think that he's right on that in some level.And that's why I want to win the popular vote.That's why I want all of you out there.
I don't just want Donald Trump to win the Electoral College by the skin of his teeth.I mean, I would sign up for that right now because I think it's important enough that he win. But in my ideal world, New Hampshire is too close to call.
New Mexico, where Trump is visiting, is too close to call.Virginia is too close to call.Minnesota is too close to call.We're expanding the battlefield to such an extent that
trump has a real chance to win not only a huge electoral college victory but to win the actual popular vote because then all these individuals out there are forced to reconcile with the lies that they have told not only that but how i would argue not only are they being increasingly
Put to the sideline buck.
I would even argue that most of what you're seeing now of the propaganda media is actually aiding trump Because there are enough people paying attention now who are willing to change their vote and when they see norah o'donnell open cbs news In the method in which she did.
I mean, that's supposed to be a non-biased impartial newscast buck.That's why cbs has a broadcast license And they clearly are not doing that.They're just reading propaganda.
It might as well have been MSNBC that was employing Nora O'Donnell as she ran through there.We'll have some fun when we come back.Continue to break down.It's Halloween.I know a lot of you out there are excited about Halloween.
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Buck, I posted a poll and I'm curious, this is a fun one, it's Halloween, and I know we're in the middle of serious times, but I was curious what your answer to this would be.So I am a fan of 1980s horror movies.
Back in the day, you could watch Nightmare on Elm Street, you could watch Jason, you could watch Halloween, you could watch Chucky, these are 1980s in particular. Yes.Which was the best 1980s villain from the horror movie genre?
If I gave you Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason, and Chucky as the four options, which is a poll that I put up, which would you say was the best?
I have only seen those movies, I think there were like eight of them for each one of those genres made.I'm not an expert at all on this, unlike action movies where I'm a world-class expert.I'm like a PhD in 80s action films.Yes.
I can do entire scripts from those movies.If it has Van Damme, Dolph Lundgren, Schwarzenegger, etc., I can do the whole thing in my head. I would say of the horror genre, Michael Myers from Halloween, I think, is the most iconic, followed by Jason.
I was never a Freddy Krueger guy personally.I didn't really get that one.
I would have gone Freddy Krueger number one overall.The voters have gone with you and Michael Myers.Michael Myers is getting 43% of the vote as the best 1980s horror movie villain out there.
What is the scariest movie you've ever seen?
Oh, that's a great question.It is a great question.
I would team.You can also weigh in in New York while Clay's figuring it out.You can whisper it in my ear via the mic here or via the headphones.What do you think the best one is?What do you got for me, Clay?
I would probably go with the.Oh, man, I watched all of it and I'm going to forget what they're called now, the
the ones about the catholic priest who would investigate no not the exorcist standing alone that's really good but they're these are more recent and they go out and they basically investigate all of these paranormal activities it's a husband and a wife uh so i guess he's not a catholic priest but he is a uh is a religious figure not a very good one
Yeah, well, but maybe there's an exception if you're doing those investigations.And the title of these movies is right off the edge of my tongue.And I'm sure I'm getting blown up right now.But Annabelle is the doll that is in them.
And there's an entire series.
I have no idea what Clay's talking about with this series.
What is this series he's talking about?The Conjuring. The Conjuring.The Conjuring movies, I think, are the scariest.
Because, Buck, to me, like, I understand the concept of, hey, you're, like, a crazy clown and you're walking, like, it was a scary movie recently came out.
That's spooky to me, but the way scarier parts are where you have, like, the devil, possession, like, someone engaging in some sort of behavior like that really gets me.
I mean, our friend Sean Ryan on his podcast, long form podcast, was doing great.So many people listening.He had on a guy, a Catholic priest who does exorcisms recently.Yes.
And talked about his everyday carry, which included a piece of the true cross.Very interesting stuff. I would say The Exorcist is still the scariest movie that I've ever seen.
Although there's a director who's pretty in vogue these days who did The Northman.He also did a movie The Witch.That was the last horror movie that I have seen.I think it was 2018 maybe.And I decided I'm done.
I actually won't sit through a horror movie now.I won't.I'm out.
My wife won't do horror movies.I love the scream movies.Those are really fun.I've watched them with my boys.
Those are really more like murder mystery movies.The scream movies are not really horror.It's not like monsters or possessed people.It's just like lunatics.
yeah lunatic killer um by the way the two guys two people edward warren and his wife lorraine morgan are the characters that are played and in the conjuring movies and it's basically demonic possession the stories of them trying to go out and solve all of these paranormal activity demonic possessions
And so they started in 2013.I was on a plane flight buck.I think it was like cross country or may have been I was going to England or something.And it's rare that I have just tons of time.
And I watched three straight conjuring movies on an airplane, which I would think is probably one of the least threatening places you could be because everybody's been screened, you know, like there's there's no like the real danger by and large on an airplane is the plane could go down, but not that crazy things are going to happen on the airplane.
I did used to watch in the 80s, I think they're horror but in the horror thriller genre.Do you remember a movie called Critters?Oh yeah.Where there were guys from space and they have like laser guns and the little monsters that eat people.
They used to make these crazy movies.They had little spines, they would shoot at people.I can't believe I used to watch this crap.It was on like channel 11 in New York City and I would watch these bizarre movies like that.
I saw on HBO, The Hills Have Eyes.I do not recommend that.That was traumatizing.I would never watch that again.
You know what used to get me back when I was a kid, Buck?Unsolved Mysteries.When the Unsolved Mysteries music came on, if you were a kid at home by yourself,
That was I think the creepiest show that you could watch on like NBC or whatever was regular television by far the scariest one out there beyond a shadow of a doubt.
But I bet a lot I can my mentions have exploded a lot of you are agreeing with me on the Conjuring series of movies.
Where are you on vampires and Dracula stuff?
I still uphold that for timelessness and entertainment value, Bram Stoker's Dracula is actually one of, I think it's one of the greatest novels of all time, which I know people flip out about, but I'm like, no, it's amazing, it's incredibly well written, and it created the whole vampire genre.
Yeah, and Francis Ford Coppola's version of Dracula is actually incredibly well done.That was Keanu Reeves, right?Isn't it, in that?Gary Oldman?
No, no, that was, uh, you're talking about the, um, the one with, uh, the British guy, Gary Oldman?
Yeah, Gary Oldman, like the 90s.I thought Keanu Reeves was the young guy who was, like, coming up to that, like, playing that.He is.Yeah, yeah, yeah.That one is really well done.Jonathan Hawker.
I like, but I like my vampires as my friend Mike Leach, rest in peace, used to say.Not the mopey vampires, like the evil, actually scary vampires, not like the romantic teen, you know, vampires which have taken over.
This is also where I gotta say, gotta throw in a word from a man Wesley Snipes in Blade, which I always talk about because, underrated.Fantastic.
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