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Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt on the role that his state would be willing to play in helping the Trump administration with the law and order policy of deportations.We'll discuss that.
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why would biden we haven't discussed this yet on the show why would biden approve and first of all that biden is approving anything plays a problem like we all understand this right that biden's judgment on matters of truly war and peace is something that we are still subject to considering even democrats admit he's got cognitive issues very polite way of saying that has got in a senility dementia
uh... it just seems like an outrage to me but anyway he is still technically the commander-in-chief will certainly get a reminder of that when he pardons hunter coming up here in just a matter of weeks uh... and he has said that that ukraine is authorized now to use u s long-range missiles to strike inside of russia
that that seems like something that the russians are gonna pay attention to and not react favorably to will discuss with bridge why that is also uh... just uh... just for fun will get back to the backlash
to the morning joe backwards walking as in going towards donald trump the democrats as much as we found it hilarious and pathetic a lot of left wingers or outrage that you could go from he's a blur to maybe we should have a cappuccino in like ten days you know i think people recognize that is that's a little you know i mean
like uh... you know i i i've got brothers occasion my brothers and i will argue about something but it never goes to your hitler you know like this of the weird going on here uh... anyway will discuss that because i think that's also indicative of where the uh... where the media is falling apart right now they don't know where to go they're having more and more
Actual conservatives on CNN, they have asked me to go on.I don't know.Should I go on, Clay?I'm thinking about it.
My question for you, first of all, yes, I think it would be great advertising for the show.I think it'd be good for you as the book release eventually gets closer and closer.
My question for you about you going on CNN is, are you required to travel to New York to sit in studio, or can you do it remotely as a guest?Like, how does that process play out? I'd have to ask, I'd have to find out.
I'll let you know, I'll start, I'll respond to their very polite inquiries and say, what are we really talking about here?
Because if it's gonna be for- I do think that's indicative of the major vibe shift that is underway though, Buck.I mean, there is a full-on panic inside of CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post about what do we do for the next four years?
And they want more voices of rationality, which I take as a good sign, at least at a minimum.
i mean i i made when i was doing solo radio play i was very uh... open especially during the covid years covid era about my disdain for the way that jeff zucker ran that entity and i openly made fun of him and pointed out that the only reason brian stelter had a show was because he looked kinda like jeff zucker so he figured well that guy super handsome like i'm shocked i used to i used to trash cnn like there's no tomorrow and now they're like hey look
If they want to be reasonable, they want to have a conversation.I'm reasonable.They weren't being reasonable, so I was giving it to them on the rough side of things, but we'll see.
Maybe they're going to have a change of heart, although I very much doubt it.You don't have to send me the emails like, they're not changing.I know, I know, but maybe we can slap them around a little bit.
Clay, the big fights, though, right now in a way, we also have some criminal justice stuff. to get to with the knife-wielding madman who stabbed three, killed two in New York City, right in Midtown.We've got some of our team in Midtown.
The Daniel Penney trial, the defense is now putting forward their case.The prosecution has rested.That's certainly a discussion to have.The fights over confirmation and deportation, those are the two big things right now.
Getting ready for the deportation surge and getting Trump's people in place through confirmation, we'll talk about that. I'm seeing more over Matt and you know people have just like Berenson came on clay and he said oh no RFK jr.
Is more upsetting to the machine than gates I Think gates has got them more upset actually I think gates is the one that's getting the most attention We'll get into this and maybe a good way to start this clay is the the hush money case remember that in New York City
so today judge merchant and decided that they are going to in they're going to uh... indefinitely adjourn without discount without setting when the sentencing will be because judge merchant has to take into account
how the supreme court's ruling on immunity factors into trump's prosecution uh... i don't think they're ever even going to get to sentencing on this clay i think this case is dead which brings up a whole bunch of other issues like you prosecuted a president for the first time ever for felonies that were such a joke that even after you got a preposterous conviction you're not going to see it through
Yeah, this I think we predicted that this would happen.You've already seen it happened even quicker than I anticipated that Jack Smith said, hey, this case is federally are done.
But until you are sentenced, the conviction doesn't really officially exist.
And so I think the Trump felony convictions that Alvin Bragg got in New York, I mean, I said this a while ago, putting my lawyer hat on, that the implications of the Supreme Court presidential power ruling had to implicate state court cases as well.
And I understand sometimes this gets a little bit into the weeds, but there's the federal cases, which was South Florida, which has been dismissed.Washington, D.C.with Jack Smith has now moved to dismiss, basically ending both of those cases.
And then you had Georgia with Fannie Willis, which was a state of Georgia prosecution, Fulton County, Atlanta area.And then you had New York City, which was a state of New York prosecution.
General rule, again, there are exceptions, but general rule is federal law trumps, that is, takes over any state law.
And so if there is no federal case that can be brought against Trump because of presidential powers, presidential immunity as it pertains to the use of presidential powers,
that has to also apply to state law because otherwise you would just pursue the president under state law when you could not do it under federal law which again conflicts with the superseding power of federal law over state law when there's a conflict again that's going into the weeds a little bit
But this case is done, and the Georgia case is done, and I don't know exactly how they're all going to be rolled up, but Buck, what it ultimately represents is what we told this audience for years, and what all of you suspected.
This was all political. This was nothing other than a political hit job that they thought would weaken Trump.
And we didn't talk about it a lot in the wake of the election, but one of the most impactful parts of Trump winning two weeks ago today was it ended, I think, this argument of, oh, there's a political benefit to trying to put your chief political adversary in prison and or bankrupt him.
Now the American public has voted overwhelmingly and said no to this.
And I think that's an incredibly important result because it upends what had been an attempt to invalidate nearly 250 years of the way that we did races in the United States, which was we won or lost.
We didn't try to put our chief political rival in prison for the rest of his or her life.
If you're going to break that barrier of prosecuting somebody who is a major party nominee, I mean, it better damn well be for something serious that you know happened.You know what I mean?Look, I've got friends who are prosecutors.
You've got friends who are prosecutors.They'll tell you.I mean, especially if you're talking like on the federal side.
you know ninety seven or ninety eight percent of people plea and like ninety six or ninety seven percent of people that bring charges against they will say are guilty they've got it is very unusual in their minds i'm not saying it never happens there are people who are falsely uh... prosecuted i get it but overwhelmingly
did the decision to prosecute itself uh... should be it's a slam dunk right and so to bring this case against donald trump when he's the republican nominee and a former president both on such a flimsy charge
and ignoring some of the or surrounding legal realities of the form of a former president and what that means as a as a matter of law with the supreme court weighing in you know it's like we've said if donald trump after the electorate of donald trump at the end of his term or something had gotten drunk driving in a car and ran over five people
Yeah, I don't want to hear, he's the commander-in-chief, like he's, you know, you did the crime, you did the time, I get it, like you shouldn't be above the law in that way, you would be subject to state law there and you'd be able to be prosecuted after the fact, there's no statute of limitations on murder, or after your term I mean, but to go after him on a business
records charge and by the way there are some people who would just you know point out you can't prosecute a president while he's in office period i get it but to go after somebody on a business records charge clay and then to stack it 34 times so it's 34 felonies alvin bragg is what he has done to the law is just despicable
There are two other elements of this case that, again, I have been hammering for years now on this program, but one buck, it's outside the statute of limitations.So they went back in time a substantial amount.
Remember, this all happened in like 2017.So, I mean, you're going way back in time.Second part of this is they elevated
what should have been a misdemeanor to a felony based on an untested legal strategy that I think was on its base in appeal going to be overturned, but leave aside the sort of new angled approach without precedent that they tried to elevate the misdemeanor to a felony.
Overwhelmingly in New York City, they are reducing felonies to misdemeanors.That is, in this era of going soft on crime, they actually overwhelmingly are treating legitimate felonies as misdemeanors.
Here they took at bottom a misdemeanor and tried to elevate it to a felony, which is occurring almost nowhere, anywhere right now in the state of New York, Uh, it was a harebrained legal scheme that has come up snake eyes.
And as a result, uh, you are going to see it all just vanish and they're going to pretend it never happened.
well this is where uh... i understand a lot of the uh... support for matt gates look matt gates says of it is a lot of things but i want to use as is he's absolutely not guilty of any of these things that are being alleged about him that he has never been indicted for not even died nevermind convicted
and for them to use the allegations and to use innuendo and things that are unproven and even unindicted.Not that indicted necessarily means you're guilty, but usually that's a step the government takes when you do something that's very criminal.
You need somebody, Clay, I think, to look at this now who is angry about it.
back on the way you and i feel about covid you need someone to look at the abuse of the law as a political weapon not who says i will make it stop that just means you're not going to do it yourself you need somebody who will go in there and say i will punish those who are seeking to use the law as a weapon of politics to ruin people's lives
which is what they are doing, which is what they have tried to do with Donald Trump.
They wanted to lock Trump up in prison, make no mistake about it, and if he didn't win that election and the American people did not speak so forcefully on his behalf, we'd be in a very different place right now.
No doubt.We'll take your calls.We'll react to that.As Buck said, we've got the governor of Oklahoma joining us, Bridge Colby.A couple of guests in the second hour headed your way.Also, Buck, more Trump dancing.
Christian Pulisic, best player on the U.S.men's soccer team, scored a couple of goals last night and celebrated with the Trump dance.We have got a major cultural revolution that is underway.
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We're going to focus on public safety threats and national security threats first.And fugitives, those who crossed the border illegally, had great due process, a great taxpayer expense, were ordered removed by an immigration judge. They didn't leave.
They're also a priority.And third rail, we gotta find over 300,000 children that were released into this country to so-called sponsors that the government can't find.We also gotta find them children and try to save them.
All right, that's Tom Holman, the border czar.Unlike Kamala, a real border czar, as in he's going to do things to make the border better.Tom is one of my favorite picks.
I've known Tom and talked to him about border issues for years, really stretching back to Trump term one, 2017, 2018.Tom is, you know, very high on my list of all stars.Like he is.If Trump had said to me, Clay Buck, who would you put in?
I mean, I might have put him at the head of DHS, but OK, who would you make?The borders are Tom Holman would be the first name that comes to mind.So he's the right guy for the job.And what he's doing here is laying out.
This is going to be so important, Clay.They're going to tell everyone that this is monstrous and cruel.And they're deporting grandmas who have been here for 40 years.
That's actually not what the Trump operation is going to be in the first year and maybe ever.It depends on how all this goes. But what they're doing right out of the gate is, and this is so important, they always say, what about the dreamers?
And what about the hardworking people who've been here for 20 years?Then everyone goes, OK, I want to be kind.The kindness on the right is always used as a political weapon against us, right?You're like, of course.I get it.
That's a little bit harder for people.And I understand that.Now, for some of you, it's not hard.You want everyone illegal to go.And I get that, too.The law is supposed to matter, right?The law is the law.
When they're talking about deporting, the number, Clay, is something like 1.4 million criminal illegal aliens.
And that modifier, that adjective there is so important because I'm not just talking about people that are not allowed to be in the country.
We're talking about people who have been in this country, who have committed a crime, usually a state, sometimes a federal, but usually a state crime, who are now supposed to be deported.
yeah and they're just playing this this game of you know hide-and-seek they can't so there is no reasonable basis to oppose the deportation of all one point four one point five million of those who are in the country illegally with a with a deportation order on them already
And those who are in the country who have a serious criminal history who just came across our border unvetted.I mean, that's the category they're going after.
We have to we have to make sure everyone knows this because it's going to turn into AOC fake crying at the border again really soon.You remember that?
You know, the the all white outfit on the Polish ice like.
Yeah. Here's what I think we need to do.We've got to get our arguments lined up.Barack Obama deported a massive number of people during his term in office.
And almost no one is even aware of that because everybody has a goldfish memory in this social media era in which we live.What do I mean by that?Goldfish don't remember anything.
So it's like you're blinking and then something new happens and you decide that it's the worst thing that's ever occurred.Obama deported, I believe, team in New York, look up the numbers.
I believe Obama deported over a million people during his time in office, Buck.
and nobody talks about it and uh... and and those are significant so i think you need to have those numbers ready as a talking point that what we're doing now in the trump administration historically is not an aberration at all in fact Barack St.
Obama, who everybody wants to claim is the greatest human being who's ever been president in history, just a decade ago, it was very normal to deport.The other thing is, Buck, they have to be very calculated in the people that they start with.
they have to make the case we are removing people who are clear lawbreakers that are most likely to commit crimes of violence against innocent people in the united states and we have to make that case aggressively because i do think what you're going to see
is a lot of governors are going to decide that the way they become the nominee in 2028 in an open Democrat primary is by branding themselves as the anti-Trump.So I think you're going to see Gretchen Whitmer.I think you're going to see JB Pritzker.
I think you're going to see Josh Shapiro.I think you're going to see all of these governors who have aspirations to be the Democrat nominee in 2028, Gavin Newsom, line up against Trump
and try to be the most fervently anti-Trump as possible, not because they think it's the right decision for their state, it's not, but because they think it's the right decision for their political future.Prepare yourselves for it.
Tom Homan also made mention, Clay, of what he can see coming, which is the hashtag resistance, if you will, from blue cities and blue states, sanctuary jurisdictions.They're sanctuary cities, they're sanctuary states, effectively.
they play this game right they only do this with immigration you will never i worked at something called a high-intensity drug trafficking area facility in new york okay that was where the counterterrorism you know the m y p d was based at that time we had d a date we had d a there we had ice there we had n y p d obviously which is the body that i was assigned to uh... you know you and you and f b i nearby or or you're sitting nearby uh... it all work together and nobody was ever like hey
can it can help you with that like cartel assassin thing like that's that's more federal than state like if the feds ask for help or the state they were working together the only place i've ever seen this breakdown and law enforcement listeners let me know if there's something else the only place you ever see this is on illegal immigration where all of a sudden local law enforcement is told under orders
do not help and in even go beyond that don't even notify right so they'll have somebody in custody who's an illegal who's committed a crime and they'll release them pending and instead of saying hey ice we got this guy who's just been arrested for sexual assault uh... you know you want to come pick them up they let him out and they don't want to tell ice tom homan is saying
Blue cities and states, you don't want to get in the way of the mission here from the federal side.This is cut three.Play this one.
What happens to a mayor or local police department chief that is under Democratic leadership that obstructs ICE in your federal agents that are helping get these deportations?What happens to them?
Well, first of all, if they don't want to help us get the hell out of the way, we're going to do it.If I got to send twice the amount of resources to that city, that's what we're going to do.
If they would give us access to the jail, that would mean less agents in the community.For them pushing back and not letting us in the jail, it just means more agents are going to be in the community, so they're hurting themselves.
Finally, I'll say this.They need to educate themselves.They need to review this.Title 8, United States Code 1324-III.Read about that and don't cross that line, because it is a felony to harbor and conceal an illegal alien from ICE.Read the statute.
He's talking about harboring now and aiding Clay.This is, he's saying this is, people have gotten so used to illegal immigration being this area of law where it doesn't really count.You know what I mean?Here's one, Clay.
Do you know that you're not allowed to be in the country as an immigrant and be a public charge?That's actually against federal code.That's against federal statute.How many immigrants are getting welfare benefits and things like that?
It is absolutely forbidden under federal law. He's saying aiding and abetting a fugitive from ICE, this isn't something they're going to forget anymore.
So this state, local law enforcement and federal law enforcement issue could get very real here because you've got these woke, lunatic governors and mayors.
Buck, here's the number, by the way, and I think this is going to stagger a lot of people because I think it speaks to how dishonest our politics have become.
According to the New York Times, three million people were deported by Barack Obama during his two terms in office.Three million.
So for everybody out there who's going to act, and again, this is important, we have to mobilize the narrative to make people understand that what Trump is doing is actually just something that was not even considered remotely controversial in the grand scheme of things during Obama's term in office.
In fact, Barack Obama deported more people than any president ever, has in the history of the country.
It was very clever though, I mean the whole, remember he did the, he was the deporter-in-chief going into the 2012 midterms and then when he won re-election the whole, term one for Obama was Obamacare and we are still living with the consequences of that decision.
Term two was supposed to be amnesty.
and the way that they thought they could get to amnesty was to deport people while pushing republicans on the gang of eight bill and getting republicans to go along and there are bad republicans on immigration there are lots of them actually look at uh...
Langford in Oklahoma who tried to work with Biden right at the end of his term to put through a crap bill.It's embarrassing, honestly.
Embarrassing stuff.There are Republicans who are dictated to by the Chamber of Commerce, by big business, by the donor class, who like illegal immigration.That's a reality.
but clay it what what's so interesting here uh... and you know i'd give and colter credit for this for example the immigration issue she's always saying no no no there are laws already that need to be used that will help with this issue massively they just choose not to use them tom holman knows what those laws are
tom holman knows that the decision to ignore federal statute is not the same thing as a racing federal statute so there are a lot of tools at his disposal this time around uh... to do things because up and i just i mean this is where i want to know who you're not in the country legally and you're committing crimes here
you know it and you're and you're supposed to be able to stay that is a that is a national suicide pact over the long run that is completely outside the realm of the same
Totally.And again, I just want everybody to prepare for the fight that is coming and recognize how outrageous the arguments against it are going to be.But you're right, Buck.AOC is going to put on her all-white outfit.
The media is going to follow her.She's going to start to cry by a chain link fence.They're going to find the one four-year-old who gets separated from his dad or his mom.
And they're going to turn that into an anecdote reflective of a policy that is not actually representative, right?But they're going to find it.It'll go viral on social media.Prepare yourselves for where this is coming.
Also, Buck, this is also hugely important. The message is important too, because as soon as you start deporting millions of people, everybody that's coming here illegally is gonna say, wait a minute, is that trip worth it?
When you're telling them we're never gonna deport you, that's why 10 million plus illegals came in.It's not just about sending people back, it's about stopping the flow that exists right now.
It changes the incentive dramatically, right?It changes the incentive for especially
how the immigration issue the illegal immigration issue has changed where clay it used to be can you walk here so that was mexico some countries to the south of mexico the people showing up at the border are paying to fly from pakistan from yemen from uh
all over southeast asia and west africa and you name it like if it's a poor country basically people are coming here from there but they're flying to sometimes uh... you know country is very easy passport controls in south america they go up to the dairy and gap in central america they make their way up to end up past uh... you know if through mexico pay the cartels in mexico that's a lot of effort and money to spend if you're not
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We've got the governor of Oklahoma with us now.Governor Kevin Stitt is with us.Governor, appreciate you making the time for us.Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.
Absolutely.Great to be with you guys.
All right.So we're talking a lot today about the very prominent and now the media will say controversial Trump plan to begin deport deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past.
And law enforcement priorities pushing this, meaning people who are criminal, illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.You've unveiled in your state Operation Guardian.
Tell us about this program how work in Oklahoma as it's as it unfolds and also how you plan to have the state Work with the federal government the Trump administration to finally restore some law and order when it comes to illegal immigration Yeah, absolutely.
Well, first off.I mean, it's just a Optimistic mood in America.I mean you can feel it.We're going back to law and order we're gonna get you know inflation under control energy and permitting reform, safety across the world.
I mean, it's just really exciting to have common sense back in the White House.And so in Oklahoma, I mean, it's just total common sense.
If we have people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals, plus they're illegals, and Oklahoma, you know, if we give these people over to ICE under a Biden-Harris administration, nothing happens.
So we've obviously got bad guys in prison because we're a law and order state.
But now with Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to be the first state to kind of lead by example, to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not be footing the bill for people that are here illegally, number one.
And number two, especially people that are criminals, that are in our correctional facility.So those are the first ones we want to tackle.
And we wanted to kind of be a model to other states and work with the Trump administration and know that now we have a partner in the White House that believes in common sense and wants to protect
law and order, and wants to protect safety across the country.
Governor, appreciate you coming on.I'm sure you've already seen a lot of Democrat governors saying, we're not going to work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations.How do you think that will play out?
And how much of that, I think the answer is probably 100%, is that often political angling to try to potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat nominee in 28?
Yeah.I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.They can see they're talking from the exact same playbook.And it was amazing.
Like, I think the day after the election, you started seeing, uh, you know, the, the, the regular folks, the regular democratic, uh, talking points, uh, from all the different governors talking about, we're going to protect our citizens.
You're gonna have to come through me.Well, I think that they're missing the point.I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly.Trump got one, the popular vote, 312 electoral votes. And overwhelmingly, people want border security.
They want a law and order back in our communities.They believe in safe communities.We want freedom and education.We want to unleash American energy.And so, again, I don't think the Democrats learned anything from that last election.
And for them to come out immediately and say they're not going to work with the president on law and order, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot, and they didn't learn anything from Tuesday's election.
are are there sanction i know you're you're in a very red state the governor fortunately a very red state but i'm assuming it's possibly got sanctuary jurisdictions in tulsa uh... maybe oklahoma city i mean is that is that a challenge for you in terms of local and state law enforcement working together on this issue are they on board what what can you tell us about that because i just i wonder how that state local and and federal is going to all collide or work together on this issue
Well, you know, yeah, we are not a sanctuary state at all.I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city mayors that'll push back and are kind of squishy on this issue.
But really what I'm talking about here, and I don't know how any American and certainly how any Oklahoma would complain about it, we're talking about People that are here illegally, number one.And number two, they're also incarcerated.
They're criminals.They're either in gangs.They've had a run-in with law enforcement.They've got busted for running drugs and fentanyl coming across the border.So we're talking about that element first.I think that's what Trump's talking about.
And then we need to get them out of our states, out of our country. And then I believe in immigration reform.
We need to have, if somebody comes to the University of Oklahoma on an education visa and they get an engineering degree, we want to convert that to a workforce visa.
So if people want to chase the American dream and pay taxes and be part of our society and we have jobs for them, we want to connect the employers with employees, I'm all for workforce visas and changing that immigration
a policy, but we're talking about the criminal element right now.And I don't know how anybody could argue, Democrat or Republican, that that needs to be out of our country.
When you look at, you mentioned that you can feel a major vibe shift.I know Oklahoma is very much of a Trump, you know, fertile ground, right?You guys win in your state, go red by a massive amount.But I got some stats here for you, Governor.
This is the latest data in terms of how things have moved.New York moved 11.5% towards Trump, New Jersey 10.2%, Florida 9.8%, Massachusetts 8.7%, California 8.4%. Four of the biggest states to gain massively in Trump's support were blue states.
I'm curious, do you feel that when other governors are starting to talk that even somebody like Kathy Hochul, for instance, in New York, which is considered a blue state,
Crazily, New York is closer to a red state than Texas or Florida are to blue states based on the data out there.Can you feel maybe a vibe shift in terms of how even those politicians are talking, given what happened even in blue states?
You know, I really can.I'm the the vice chair this year of the National Governors Association, which is the bipartisan group.And so behind closed doors, when I talk to my Democratic colleagues,
It's very collegial, we've got a good relationship, and I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes, we need stronger borders.And that was what's so perplexing for the American people.
You know, the Biden-Harris administration was refusing to go back to Trump-era policies, which is remain in Mexico.And so I think that across the board, you know, the governors at least understand that we need to have border security.We need that.
And unless they're trying to kind of placate to their, you know, left-wing part of their party, these are just common sense things that if you're truly an American and you want what's best for our country, you shouldn't be able to argue these points.
But it's really exciting.If you look at the Hispanic vote, it made major gains towards the Republican Party.I tell people they believe in God and family and they're entrepreneurs, and they're more concerned about the economy than somebody's pronouns.
They don't want They're little girls to have to be competing with biological males in sports.I mean, the left has gone so far the other way that I think that you saw that in this election.And so hopefully common sense will return.
And I know common sense is going to return to the White House.And I hope we're seeing it return to New York and California and some of these other states and just say, hey, we want to give the Trump administration a chance.
And I think we want safe communities, and we want our girls to be protected when they play sports, and stuff that we've known in Oklahoma for a long time.
Speaking of Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, Governor, how many illegals are currently in custody in your state?Do you have a pretty good, firm number on that?
And what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just to incarcerate them, roughly speaking, on a day or monthly basis?
Yeah.So, you know, I've had our team go back and look at that.We have, I think, around 20,000 people incarcerated in Oklahoma.That's something I'm always working on is safe communities, but also want to make sure that we believe in second chances.
So we've done a lot of work there, but there's 526 people that should not be incarcerated.
uh... in oklahoma because they're illegal as they broke the law we're having to uh... pay for their car serrations itself it's millions and millions of dollars to the taxpayers of oklahoma uh... i think it's uh... i read something just so i i read something that's almost forty thousand dollars uh... forty thousand dollars to uh... for each one of those inmates is that correct me for the year that that is correct yet so it's going to cost us between twenty to thirty thousand of exact number
per inmate per year, and that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers.
So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers in your state, at a minimum, that should not be just for those who are incarcerated?
That is exactly right.That's correct.And it did no good before with the Biden-Harris administration. ICE was not doing their job.Under a Trump administration, we're going to return to the rule of law.
And so when we push those back to ICE, they'll be returned back to, they'll be out of Oklahoma and out of our country, which will be a good thing.We don't want the criminal element here.
But I also remind people we need immigration reform and we need to make sure we have state workforce visas and we match employers to employees.And that's good as well if people want to chase the American dream.
And so I think that's important for people to note as well.
Governor, we know that Barack Obama recently, Bill Clinton, Democrat governors, who are a Democrat governor in the case of Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama, but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal immigrants should be sent back.
This wasn't considered to be a political issue.How much do you think this will become a political issue going forward?We mentioned Democrat governors are already lining up.
Or do you think the fact that this was standard operating procedure to deport illegals, particularly illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama was in office, will that end up ultimately winning the public argument?
How do you see this playing out?
You know, I think they've gone too far.I don't see how this is.I think Trump has made it a national story.The Republican Governors Association sent a letter.We've made this a national story pushing on border security.
I believe the American people are there, that we have to have strong borders.We have to know who's coming through our country.We need to have immigration reform.I'll give you that, too.
But I don't believe that all of a sudden, in 28, the election cycle is going to flip, and all of a sudden, American people are going to vote for the crazy person that's saying, yeah, let's do open borders.I just don't believe.
I think the pendulum is going to swing back to more normalcy to say, hey, no, no, no. even Democrats agree that we have to have border security.And this is not a winning argument for their side.
And if they keep doubling down on it, I just think it just shows you how politically blind they are.Trump just won overwhelmingly with a mandate to say, we're going to secure our border and we're going to have safe communities.
And for them to come out day one, I think it's just very,
All they're doing is just trying to put themselves as the anti-Trump person out there, and they think it's going to gain with the far-left part of their party, maybe make them some kind of hero.But I think long-term, it's not going to work.
And if they keep running on that playbook, you're going to see the same type of landslide victories that you saw in 24 for the good guys.
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I jumped to some pretty dark conclusions about it, so I'm wondering what you think.Here we are, Biden is, yes, technically the Commander-in-Chief, but we all, including Democrats, know that it's pretty shaky.
No pun intended with that, but you know, it's a double entendre, it's pretty shaky.
uh... and he's having a tough time understanding what's going on around him meanwhile we're told that he has authorized the use of american provided long-range missiles so that ukraine can now fire missiles couple hundred miles i've seen different estimates of how long these will go in the russian territory to hit russian batteries what is this a big deal why is he doing this what's going on
will greatly with the bucking lights uh... it i mean it is honestly both disturbing and bewildering because the bizarre thing it's almost like this sort of reductio ad absurdum of the by the ministration policy where they're openly admitting in the new york times that this is not going to make that much of a difference and yet it is a very significant escalatory step it's been talked about tremendously on the western side but also the russians and putin himself have made clear it's a big deal
But yet, you know, the Russians have probably already adapted.They've moved their forces around.They claim they shot down several of the attackums.And apparently both the Ukrainians and we are low on the attackum stocks.
So it's this kind of, you know, perfect encapsulation of the Biden symbolism over effectiveness policy, which is, you know, really just, we can't get change soon enough.
And I mean, you know, they've been, this is something that I think is really important to stress here, Buck.
is they have been running policy on this for obviously the last four years, but certainly since the beginning of 2022, in late 21, when this crisis began.
And they've been working with certain Republicans who supported a maximalist sort of goals on Ukraine.And I call it the liberal-primacist alliance.
And now the deputy national security advisor admitted while Biden was down in Rio that the situation is extremely difficult and the Russians are willing to up the ante.Apparently, according to the Levada Center,
Polling, you know, life satisfaction in Russia, including among young people, is at an all-time high.So this is just a really bad situation, and they seem to be making it worse, I think, to, frankly, peer pressure.
You know, maybe the Europeans, maybe some of the, you know, sort of the Morning Joe kind of constituency, although even they seem to be defecting from Biden.
What does a solution, I know it's like a ceasefire, a peace agreement in your mind look like?
What I have been reading, Bridge, and we appreciate the time, is that it would look something like what I have seen is a 20-year agreement that NATO is not going to add Ukraine, international peace forces potentially to manage the border, whatever is negotiated as the new border of Ukraine.
Is that kind of where you see this going?And I also saw a poll today, and obviously in the wake of the election, we know polls aren't always reliable, but suggesting that somewhere north, maybe 52% of Ukrainians were ready for this war to be over.
Do you buy in that Trump in the first 90 days or so can get a solution?And if so, what does that solution look like?
well look i don't want to get ahead of the of the president i think he seems to have a somewhat of his own idea that he's not tip his hand which makes sense from a negotiating point of view i would just say looking at history we've got to be realistic in looking at the situation on the ground you know i don't think we can be expecting that like crummy is going to come back and i think we should be realistic and i think the fact the ukrainians are now looking for an end to the war but just objectively given the enormous human suffering the fact the war is not going very well
together means some kind of ceasefire or cessation of the conflict.That's realistic.I mean, these conflicts tend to end somewhere along the battle lines as they exist.
Unfortunately, the Russians are making progress, but there's reason to think that the Russians might not want this war to go on forever.It's obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem to be willing to manage it.
It's making them more dependent on China.It's closing them off from the West and Europe. So I think, you know, and Putin has seemed to be at least open and his lieutenants like Peskov to at least some, you know, hearing out their proposals.
And this war has been going on for almost three years.
So, you know, I very much hope and I think you've seen, frankly, the reality, obviously, you know, sort of lemming like you had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh, this war can't end, it's got to go on as long as it takes.
And then as soon as Trump receives this decisive electoral mandate from the American people, Olaf Scholz, the chancellor of Germany, is calling Putin.And you see the shift in the popular opinion in Ukraine.So what it looks like exactly, I don't know.
I don't want to get ahead of the president for sure.But I think we've got to be realistic.This to me, again, guys, is what I would stress, is I think we've got to calibrate, we as the American people, have got to calibrate expectations.
Things are being left in such a bad state by the Biden-Harris administration that we've got to be realistic.You know, you're not...
You know, the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood, and yes, an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine, but this is the real world, and we'd be better off dealing with the real world, as President Trump is always pointing out, and having made, you know, avoided this conflict.
rather than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden and Tony Blinket.And what I would say is on the NATO issue, I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should be in NATO.So I don't know why we would reserve the right even for 20 years.
I mean, what's the point of reserving something for 20 years?I mean, that's like way down the pike in strategic planning and diplomacy terms.So I think we should be prepared to negotiate on a range of issues in order to bring this conflict to an end.
bridge uh... i see something troubling that i know uh... the incoming trump administration is gonna have to confronted and hopefully uh... untangle uh... it seems that there is in axis a de facto act is that is forming uh... and you can almost see it like uh... like a cycle or or like some kind of assembly line you've got
russia selling its oil a lot of it to china and other actors uh... and you've got north korean soldiers who are fighting now on the front lines in russia you've got iranian drones uh... the she had drones being used on the front lines in in ukraine uh... you know or rather that's also the north koreans are fighting obviously in ukraine but on behalf of the russians uh... and so you have all this
I don't want to say these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming to get closer militarily and economically, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, than we've seen in a long time.And I think that's worrisome.
How do you see that and how do you think Trump can approach that?
well it's very worrisome and i think i mean i hate the term axis of evil because it harkens back to the disastrous policy of the early two thousands but there are you know i call like a counter coalition or something that's sort of a lame way of putting it but excuse me um... but i think you're absolutely right that there is a coalition of states that have come together frankly the biden his policy
through the rhetoric, through its behavior, has actually driven them further and further.And the administration has sort of admitted that.Blinken has admitted that the Russians have been helping the Iranians.
They've been helping the Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is very important, the North Korean nuclear and missile program.Of course, you mentioned the other things in the other direction.So I think, look, what can we do?
I think we can be selective about how we apply our military. So we're strong in the right places, particularly Asia.I think we can get our allies to do more and really do that.And you already see that happening.
You see Trump, you know, common sense breaking out all over the place with Trump's election, Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense, Germany moving in that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia, et cetera.
That's another piece.And then a more pragmatic and flexible diplomacy that harkens back to the successful
Republican foreign policy of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is being, Jim Baker, is being prepared to negotiate with our rivals and opponents, both to avoid conflict, excuse me, but also to potentially, you know, drive wedges as a little ambitious, but maybe create fissures and uncertainties amongst them that causes problems.
And that, I think, is kind of how we go.If you look at how, say, the Indians conduct their foreign policy, it's much more successful than the Joe Biden approach.
Bridge, how much do you think, and I know we've talked about this before, but Putin invading Ukraine, Hamas attacking Israel on October 7th, was just complete and total disrespect for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And how much do you think merely Trump being elected changes the calculus of Americans' foreign policy adversaries, whether it's China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea?
at well i think quite i think it's a big a big one i think you know the afghanistan thing is very important on it it was a seminal event but i think sometimes some of the kind of new conservative voices say i was such a disaster we should stay there till the can end of time i don't think that's right that's a present from the set as well
I think what Afghanistan showed is it told people a lot about Joe Biden and how he would make decisions.And I think Donald Trump's a very different guy.He's tough.
He's an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared to do tough and sharp and nasty things.In some circumstances, he's going to put the American people first.He's willing to break China, excuse me, so to speak.
to achieve successful outcomes, but he's also prepared to negotiate and be flexible.
So I think you could see quite significant changes right away, and I think you already see that both on the part of our allies, but also on the part of potential opponents.
The fact that he's willing to talk to potentially Putin, Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping, that's good.That gives us leverage, it gives us negotiating space, and it creates tensions among them.
bridge call the everybody bridge hoping that you will perhaps be helping the incoming trump administration prevent world war three which i think it's a bipartisan like we can all get behind that like let's not do world war three and i hope you can have a role in the behind that well nope yeah but i'm honored friends i i really had no no no world war three and bridge i want to try to avoid world war three i'm into that guys yes i think you're down with it i'm just gonna give you i would give you some tactical advice now bridge
Ginger, fresh ginger, grated, hot water, little bit of honey, gonna help with that throat a lot.You gotta take care of yourself, buddy.You're out there talking and stopping wars.But strategy, denial is his book.Rich Colby, thanks for being with us.
Thank you guys, pleasure.
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William Gilbert enlisted in the U.S.Army to become part of something meaningful and much bigger than himself.He loved the sense of brotherhood that came with being in the U.S.Army.
During his career, he was honored with a Good Conduct Medal, Non-Article 5 NATO Medal, a Purple Heart, and a Bronze Star Medal.
While on patrol one day, a soldier from William's squad stepped on an IED.As William and others tried to help, another IED detonated, resulting in the tragic death of William and two of his fellow soldiers.
William left behind his pregnant wife, Monica, and their kids.
The Tunnel to Towers Foundation provided his family with a mortgage-free home.Monica wants you to know that her husband was a friend to all.Although he was never able to meet his youngest daughter, she is the epitome of everything he was.
Honor heroes like United States Army Specialist E4 William Joseph Gilbert.Join us in donating $11 a month to Tunnel to Towers at T2T.org.That's T, the number two, T.org.
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