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Hi, guys.Welcome to another episode of Two Teeth in a Pod with myself, Teddy Mulligan.
Erika just came in and my kids confused Erika for me.
Well, your son did.And you know, I've never met Dove.That's crazy.Until right now.I've known Dove since, like, she was growing.She probably recognizes your voice from when she was in my belly.And let me tell you something.I said, hey, Dove.
And she's like, hi.She's so cute in her Barbie PJs.She's really sweet.She looks great.
She was like, and then after you like walked away, she's like, alright, I'll go down and leave you to work.She's pretty.
Oh, that's sweet.Your kids are really nice.Teddy has very nice children.And I'm going to let the audience know one day, and I'm not going to say what, but remember that day your daughter called and tried to pull a fast one on you?
Okay, you guys know Teddy one way, that shit stopped in like five seconds.I saw you turn into like Southern mom mode.I just thought that's all I'm just gonna say.You were like, hey, I was like, that's my girl.
No, like I'm gonna check.
Listen, I'm cool till I'm not cool.You were so understanding and so sweet until, and then you were like, absolutely hell no. And that's not what you said, but that's the tone.
It was like, you just actually, okay, here's the line.
Yeah.You crossed it.And you, ma'am, little Miss Slate are gonna get woof.
No, and she knows, she knows.I was like, all right, Teddy. All right.You know, I've been a hand.I got a hand.
I handle something you can handle.No, you handle everything.It's just that was a moment.I was like, all right.OK, like that scared me.
Holy holy shit.I know we can't really talk about it, but we did just see the trailer for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Well, I mean, I think it looks pretty.It looks pretty.It looks interesting.
It looks like Dorit is back to season 1, 2, 3 of her season herself.
But I think it's more... Because she's going through like a separation marriage, you know, so you can see her emotions are really at the front Yeah, it looks like a hard season for Kyle again.
Yeah I did see you making out with Garcelle.
No, I first of all, I Kissed Garcelle
There looked like there was tongue.There was.
I don't do anything half assed.Well, it's one good kiss.It's not a session.We played a game.That's where I'll leave it.Okay.You'll have to wait and watch.Okay.
I do think it looks good.I think the trip looked incredible.I know how trips actually go, but I love seeing all of you guys.Like everybody looks on point. So I'm excited that's coming around the corner.It airs November 19th.
So make sure you guys tune in to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills on November 19th.I will be recapping it.
I was just about to say I get to listen to you and Tamara now.
Payback's a bitch!I have been really... You've been really good to Tamra.
Very fair.Very fair.Yeah, I just said, hey, I think this was too far.I don't... yeah.
The good news is I don't think Tamra really listens when she's not on.
Well, I don't think you have anything to worry about.
No, and anything that I say, I also tell her, but also as the audience will attest.
Teddy, you don't have to agree with me all the time.You know what I'm saying?When you've disagreed with me or said something, that's what you're here to do.You give that opinion.
So if you talk about me and Beverly Hills, I'm not going to have a breakdown. I don't.
Goals for this year.Goals for 2025.I just don't.I just don't.I get it.Well, I'm excited to see it.
Oh, shit.That's me.My phone is never like this.Oh, excuse me.What an amateur hour.Is that Raya?No, it's not.I probably should be on there, but I'm not.Does anybody know how to get me on?I have no.Yes. Are you on?I don't… Yeah.
Hold on.You're on, Raya?Yeah.What does it take?Okay.Just so you guys know, Raya is a dating app that people are very into in California because it's all about stature and looks and money.
Yeah.I was told that it was kind of like an entertainment industry-based Dating app, but then somebody told me that you could match a friend of mine's on it.
He's like, he's gay He said he matched with some dude in Istanbul I'm like, how the fuck is that gonna like if he's gonna fly you on a private jet every week What is that?
And so I you know, I've never been on a dating app But I wonder if I should but I need to be on an app where I don't know I just people need you know know what I do and
So guys, we're going to have to talk to Tara for one second, who's one of our producers.She's on it.She's on it.Did you have to submit a headshot?
You have to submit your license and everything, and then you have to get like five referrals.
to say that you're a year.
I don't give a shit like that is too long to be on somebody's app.Can I run your Raya app?Oh, would you? I would love it.Okay, let's apply.
Let's apply.But I want to know if it takes you a year to get in, I will never let you get in.
What are you talking about?We're doing it together.What we'll do is, Raya, if you're listening, let me in.I'm actually, listen.
We're going to create headshots right after this.
Right.There's enough headshots, believe me.Yeah, I will let you run my Raya. I think that I would be excellent at running a riot.I think you would be too, because you know what?I'm not good at that.I'm not very good with the old dialogue.
I'm very direct, very to the point, and men don't like that.
I feel like this is actually a show in the making.Running Erika's Raya.
Yes, you should.Running Erika's Raya.Or whatever, my hinge, my whatever.Whatever one I can get on.But apparently... You know what Garcelle told me is that she was on Raya, but she got off because she saw everybody she knew.And it felt weird.
She's like, oh, should I... She got on and she literally said, you know what?I saw too many people I knew on there and I felt weird about it, so I got off. So, yeah.
Well, I mean, would you rather see some people that you know or like see people with like 87 cats and like?
I'd rather see people that honestly work in our business because if I say, look, I got to go to Paris tonight.
I don't want to hear what does that mean?
Oh, does that mean you're not into me?
It means I'm fucking going.Yeah.And when I get back, you know, we'll pick up from there and don't ask me what I'm doing while I'm there.
So in other words, I know we got to get into recapping Orange County, but do not message me within the next five hours because I'm setting up Erica's Raya account.
Oh my gosh, here we go.I need five referrals.
Do I get only people that are on Raya get to refer or can I refer?No, you have to have people within the app.
Sorry, you want my phone?
I feel like I can get this moving.
If anybody, listen, let me tell you something, CIA or whoever the fuck finds people that aren't supposed to be found, this one right here, she can find anybody.
And here's a fucking challenge, if I can't get Erica on Raya by our next podcast when we're recapping the reunion.
Girl, it's only a few days.
If you don't think I can do it in four, five, six days, I failed myself.
That's a bold, okay, girl.Cheers.Cheers, cheers to you and me on Raya.Cheers.
I can slide into people's DMs.
I can find out who owns Raya.I... Well, that's it, we can just call.Yeah, I mean, I have a publicist.
Teddy, Teddy.Entertainer.Teddy's very good at this.All right, let's talk about these other chicks.All right.Okay.
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And then we get three reunions, which I'm excited about, actually.I'm excited about.I hope that we see some transition and personalities once we get into the reunion.
Yes, but authentic transition.I don't want to see, I've been a jerk all year and now I'm sitting on the couch and let me do my best.Oh, I'm so sorry.No, if you're going to talk that shit all season, talk that shit on the couch too.
That's how I feel.Talk that shit on the couch.But then also, I do need from every housewife to have a touch of like... Self-awareness?Self-awareness.Just a touch.You don't need to be fully self-aware.
Sure.Well, you do have to acknowledge the fact that you've either gone too far or hurt someone in a way, said some things that you didn't like.However it is, you do have to have that self-awareness.
Yeah.So it starts off, Emily, Gina, Jen and Shannon meet to throw axes.Remember when we had to do that?
And they said I couldn't throw the axe because I was with child, but I hadn't told you guys yet.So then you just thought I was being a stick in the mud.
They're like, Teddy, just throw the eggs, have a drink.I'm like, I can't, guys.I'm sorry, I need to wait 12 hours before I announce to the group that I'm in my second trimester.
I was so not aware. But if Tums Antacids is listening, this woman right here gave you a full on nine month long advertisement.All she did was eat Tums.It was fucking brutal.But they're like, why are you playing?
Is it because you're annoyed with Denise?No.I'm pregnant, bitch.They won't fucking let me sign off on to throw an ax.But also like the fact that you can't throw an ax while pregnant, there's no time you want to throw an ax more.
This is true, however, I was looking at this scene and I was like, yep, you have to have the closed-toe shoes.Yep, nope, we couldn't have the liquor, obvious reasons.And it's just kind of weird.
Remember our person that was helping us with the axes and we go get them?I just thought like, a lot of time, and then I thought like, how do these people stay in business?What's their insurance coverage?
What if somebody gets in there and like fucking throws it in the other people?
But also what I was wondering, which I understand, like we're going for a show and we're throwing axes, but I wanna know who pays to throw axes at a bar.
Well, there have been some moments when I've liked to have thrown some axes at some actual people.No one on these shows, but I'd like to have chopped some heads in another way.But yeah, I'm sure that some people really,
But I think the destroy rooms or whatever you go to, that I get a little bit more.A little bit.Like you wanna have some rage and you wanna do it in a polite way.Responsibly.Yes.Responsibly rage.
Well, I wanna responsibly rage, but what do you get off the ax?But Shannon got a lot.She felt really excited that she almost hit the bullseye.
Yeah, they didn't show us that. Hey, bravo.I want to know why you didn't show us that.Why didn't you show us that she left early?Because if I'd have left early, you'd have shown it.
Also, like Shannon, we know you have a cellular phone because you've shown us text messages.You could have easily recorded a little video or sent it to Sally Ann.Oh my God, Sally Ann, hi.
Sent it to Sally Ann and given us a little 20 seconds of why you left.We didn't even know why you left.How could you do that to us?I am fully invested over here.And then she just opened, poof, you're gone.Why?How?When?Who booked you that flight?
How did you pull this off?Because I was just about to say.And how much earlier did you leave? Was Gavin next to you?Did you sit with anyone?Who flew with you?That's what I want to know.Who took you to the airport?
Did you book a flight in the middle of the night and like take a cab?
Like, there were moments where I thought maybe I could take a cab and just get the fuck out of there.There were moments that I thought, should I take a cab?
But then I thought, nah, come on.
Then I was like, a cab's pretty expensive.
Oh, shut up, cheap ass.You know what?Here's the thing. I need to know this and I need to know details because look, I've been doing this for nine years.You did it for at least three years or four years.
I want to know how the fuck you got out of there.How did she pull that off?As many times as I've been like, fuck this place, how did you pull it off?
If you did pull it off, how much earlier did you leave?An hour?A day?Was it 45 minutes?I remember when we were going on a trip, and this isn't, nobody can get annoyed at this, but we all knew we were going to another country.
I can't remember which one it was, because I was pregnant and on antacids.
But Sutton had no passport.
Had no passport up to the airport with no passport couldn't find it and then was gonna charter a plane chart and Then I realized this bitch has a lot more fucking money than I'll ever have because if I missed my flight I wouldn't exactly charter a Gulfstream, but she didn't end up doing that.
She did come commercial but I was like, how the fuck do you not have your passport and How do you not realize until the day of that you don't have your passport?I remember one time, and I'm gonna out Dorit right here.
Remember when Dorit didn't have her passport for the Bahamas?Oh, yeah.Like the night before, or two days, 24 hours before, and then she got the 24, I was like, hey, babe, like, I mean.We know they filmed you packing six days ago.
Like, yeah, like, I know that my passport, like, I know you can get them in 24 hours.Yeah, you pay a premium, it's, you know, whatever.But like, really?Yeah.I know.
Well, anyway, all right They didn't show us any of that and I look anyway, my point is we need to know that's not fair We appreciate knowing we want to know the time frame.
We want to know it's not that easy I'm you it's not that easy It's not that easy to leave a trip.So I want to know how you left it
And I wanna know how early you left it.I think it's a very big difference if you left it 24 hours early, if you left it two hours before the other gals.
Right, what if she, remember when we said last week that she took her mic off and said, I'm not doing this anymore.Did she leave her birthday party to the Heathrow or wherever?
Yeah, I mean, did anything else happen?Did she do another enema before she left?
Oh God, jeez.And then I listened to our farting noises and you know what, I kinda liked it.I mean, just because we were stupid, yeah.
Well, Gina says Tamra and Shannon are both at fault, but Shannon is working on herself to be better.
I don't necessarily, do I think Tamra made mistakes and is at fault?
Yes, I think Tamra made mistakes.She's at fault.It wasn't her best season.However, let's not, you know, Let's not lay all the blame on one person when you all know it's an even fucking playing field.
But let's also call a spade a spade.If you were to get a DUI and you were to crash into a house and you were to injure yourself, I would imagine your next season we would see you in therapy. We would see you... Not drinking.Not drinking.
Yes.We would see you doing things... You would see, if it were me, I would make different choices than what I've watched Shannon Baddour do.Right.For obvious reasons.
If her version of bettering herself is not fighting with Tamra on camera, But fighting with her off camera, I'm confused on what these... Well, the fighting, you know what that is.
But you know what I'm saying, like we're not, right now we're not seeing it.Well, but you're feeling it.
Problem is you're feeling it, you're not seeing the fighting and what's being presented to the audience is different than what's actually happening.
But if you're saying I'm bettering myself, show me.
Well, I would have made different choices if that was what I was saying.
But then we see Jen and Ryan get engaged in the Bahamas.
Very briefly, all of a sudden, hey, we're engaged.
I wanna understand, was there a camera crew there or was that just like the same people?Hold on, where were we at the Bahamas?What was the place called?Bahamar.
Was it the same people that had stalked us at the slides at Bahamar videoing this?
I know. but I need to understand, was that video, because we see Jen- Was it shot on an iPhone, like this podcast, or what?
Like this high-end- This high-end podcast you got going, Teddy.
Where everybody every week is like, Teddy, step it up with your looks.I'm like, I can't, I'm tired.She's tired, leave her alone.I'm bettering myself.She's tired, leave her alone.Hold on, I'm bettering myself.
There you go, have another drink.
We see that they're getting engaged.
They got engaged, yes, which I thought is very sweet.
So she went directly from London to the Bahamas.
She did not come to Orange County to the Bahamas?
That's good because that flight would have been terrible.I actually admire that.So maybe not a camera crew.I don't know.What do I know?
I feel like Ryan probably alerted... The media?The media or... production that he was going to propose.Part of it didn't feel like it was an iPhone, but maybe it was.
It felt, the shot felt a little too centered and a little too clear for me.
And like her knowing to throw down her phone.
I don't know.Whatever, who cares?You got engaged, I'm happy for you.I hope it works, sincerely.
You sincerely think it's going to?
I said, I hope.OK, there's hope.The audacity of hope.
Well, Gina is happy for her, but questions why Ryan didn't just give her rent money.
Leave this child alone already with the rent, guys.However, look, if Jen is your friend, you accept her the way she is.Stop penny pinching and counting stuff for her. If Ryan wants to take care of her, that's on them.Don't worry about what they do.
But I think you just said a key sentence.If Jen is your friend.Yes, if you're friend.I don't think that anybody is really being friends at this moment.No, they're not. They're not.
You do normally see a couple of authentic friendships on the show.Yes, of course.Orange County, right now, it's... Feeling, yeah.I'm like, hold on to the one friend you got if you got one.
If you have one.Yeah.But I think we need to leave Jen alone about what she does with her money.Like, that's really... I know we're on a show about lifestyle, but again, and we've said this before, what she does with her money,
how she gets it, if Ryan takes care of her.It's none of your fucking business.And if she goes down in flames, guess what?She goes down in flames and it's not on you.So just let her be, please.Let people be.
Yeah.I also was wondering if Tam was actually invited to this ax-throwing conversation.It didn't feel like it.Or she was like, actually, I'm busy, thanks. Yeah, it didn't feel like it.
I didn't know, but what I did know, and listen, I really, from the bottom of my heart, as Erica would say sincerely, tried to find something redeeming about Alexis, but then she brought Clorox wipes to Tamra's, and I fucking hate props.
Yeah, if you have to tell a story with props, you're not interesting enough.
She says she's been ring shopping and thinks an engagement is coming.But then, this is also confusing, Alexis is throwing Jen an engagement party.Are they close like that?Have we ever seen them hang out one-on-one?
Well, I've only watched this one season and the answer is no.
But Alexis is back, this is Alexis' first season back and Jen's second season.
Yeah, the answer is no.So what authentically would make Alexis throw Jen an engagement party?
I think and hopes to make sure that Shannon is there because she's gonna support Jen and then to also bring it a chance to get Johnny J to show up.Okay.But I don't know, maybe the Clorox would have been a funny move if she kept it light.
But there was such like, it would have been like me bringing the Clorox wipes.I'm not a light human being.I'm like a very direct, more aggressive type of.
It's not like.There's your Clorox wipe.Yeah, I mean, again.Like Renna could pull off bringing Clorox wipes.Renna could pull off anything.Anything.That woman can pull off anything.
It's just not your vibe.It's not my vibe.
It feels desperado.Well, then Tamara found proof of Shannon asking her to get her friend to look under the glass.
Which I'm glad, so we can have a level playing field.Remember, like we said last week, both of them. Both of them have done this.Yeah, both of them meaning Shannon and Tamra.
It's not one-sided guys Tamra says Shannon is trying to Destroy her friendship with Jen.Okay, Tamra.Do I agree 1 million percent that?Shannon had her hand and destroying, like trying to pull things about Ryan.
Do I think that you possibly could have destroyed your friendship with Jen two weeks prior at the dinner?I think so.
I think, yeah.Tamara, I'm afraid you own this one.
From my point of view, and you can strongly disagree with me, Tamara, and it's okay, because I like you.But here's the other thing, you did this, babe.
Like that part, I can't forget the dinner. Two weeks ago?
No, no.We're not forgetting any of that.
But I can point out the hypocrisy of Shannon trying to pretend her hands are clean when they're as dirty as Tammy.
Yes, they are.Yes, they are.Again, you have two people here that are doing the same thing. Pointing at each other.
But also, did you notice that Tamara was wearing a London sweatshirt to remind Alexis that she didn't get invited?
I did, I caught that.I was like, wow, okay, cool.I went to London and you didn't.
And guess, you know what?Maybe Johnny J, you, and what are the shoes that Shannon bought Johnny J?Ferragamos.
Ferragamos, you and those Ferragamos.Wait, was Shannon bought, yes, Shannon bought the Ferragamos.
Let's pull out our 18 shreds of paper, like our run down here to show.
Dinner, $250.Uber.His portion, $50. Half a glass of wine.But then we get update on the kids.Jen's son, Dawson, is considering taking a GED and going to military school.
Babes, just, okay, Dawson, if you can hear me. Just finish high school, then go to the Marine Corps.It's a very upstanding thing to do.Just get your high school diploma, babe.
Well, there's been a lot of chatter on social media from Jen's ex-husband about he's trying to... And I'm paraphrasing, guys.I don't know.I'm not a lawyer.It's not exact.It's not exact.It's things that I read.
probably after I've taken an Ambien to go to sleep.
Oh God, those work on you, they don't on me.
And just looking through social media.But I saw something that her ex-husband posted where he's now trying to change the child support because Dawson is now with him in his one bedroom apartment and blah, blah, blah.
And all of these things are happening.
Do I think this is a lot for Dawson to go through? Yeah.Yes.Yeah.It is.Do I think it's harder the older that you the older you are as a teenager having to accept another man as your mother's partner?Yeah.Our stepfather.Yes.
I would imagine if you're two and this is your dad from.
Listen, I don't know if a 17 year old boy that wants to listen to anybody.
Anyone.And certainly not a stepfather.
who's not a stepfather yet, who's allegedly being investigated by the FBI.
I just like to say alleged because I know because you're nervous.
I'm not.It's a fact.It happens.It's OK.
But Dawson, listen, I barely graduated from high school myself.I feel you.I wish I would have worked a little harder and just finish that.
Here's the thing.Just get your get your diploma and Marine Corps will be there.And God bless you.
Then Heather's son Nick got his real estate license.I saw that!And sold his first house.Good for him.Well, I'm still not even to the point where I can handle this information because I'm now watching the dark side of reality television.
You mean on Vice?Well, I'm not watching on Vice.I paid $19 on Apple TV.
you miss cheapskate well once i realized they're going to be recapping the swan oh i love this one i love you did dr dubrow on the swan yes oh dr dubrow was on the swan a lot of you remember there was a beauty pageant at the end of course i did
I fucking forgot until I saw their new faces and I was like.
Guys, if you look back at like the first, you know, years of reality TV, my therapist, Dr. Jen, she did a show called Married by America, where America voted to marry two people.I mean, and she'll even talk about it.Like we love Dr. Jen.
Man, she's fucking awesome.But she, I mean.But she was also couples.Couples therapy for VH1.
Or couples therapy or couples rehab.
But anyway, back to Orange County, Teddy, back to Orange County.We get to Tamara's daughter.Sophia is writing, singing and producing her own music.
Thank God, Sophia.Keep going.You're engineering, you're writing, you're producing.I mean, you're like a one woman, you know, phenom.Keep going.Keep going. I love to see that.
And I can say this from the first time that I met Sophia because when I first met her was like at kind of the beginning of COVID and to where she is now, I've just seen this like metamorphosis of her getting more and more comfortable in her skin and growing.
And I think that's really cool because I think we forget that so many teenagers right now really went through the thick of it in COVID.They were taken out of school, they were taken out of their social settings.
They were so isolated.I know like talking to Kyle about what Portia went through.Yeah.I mean, my son's grown, so, you know, it's different, but I mean, your children and like Doreen's kids, they've been homeschooled ever since.
This is no judgment zone for people that do have their kids homeschool, but like my brothers did it.And I can't imagine how hard that would be.
Yeah, it feels like it might be.
My brothers, they're like 30, so I'm 43, they're probably 30 and 32.I'm not great with numbers, but they were homeschooled because they went on tour with my dad.We lived very different lives.
I went and lived with my mom, he was with Elaine, and he had the boys, and then they traveled with him, so they were homeschooled.But it put them in a very different, social.
I was going to say socially, how are they?Are they open?Are they not?Are they?
I would say one is and one isn't.And one isn't.But I would also say that it's hard, especially if you're on a reality television show where your life is being exposed.So you're constantly being exposed.
And then you don't have that reality check of like this is my life right now.
You have nowhere to go, yes.
Yeah, you have no kind of escape.So it's hard.But we see Sophia, who has now that I've realized, been on this show for 17 years.That's a lot.
She doesn't remember a time not being on the show.Yeah.Take that into existence.I mean, just take that in for a second. your entire life has been entertainment for other people who have weighed in, who have commented.
You've seen your mom go through good and bad things.Her parents got divorced on the show.So all of these things have happened to this young woman.That's a lot.That's a lot.
We're recapping OC from season three and Sophia's two.
see that you don't understand that you don't know anything other than all these people come over with cameras and my life and and there's a certain level of performance that every child like member when Cruz threw that huge fit before we went to go see Yes, I did the concert.
I remember your face too.I was like, oh god, like I was like This is gonna make it.
Yeah, like and he's just yeah And I remember being like that's not really normally his thing, but there is this pressure that it puts on kids Yes, so yeah, so that's why you know when you watch these Kids on reality TV.
It's you know, it's not going through a lot.It's not fair because it's not it's an interesting
We need to see the dynamic, I think.
Yes, but it also puts strain on the family.
And it also- And it doesn't matter whose family it is, how much money you have, where you come from, when you're putting families on, especially when it comes to kids, it's sensitive and it's a strain on everybody.
But then we get to Katie's daughter.
Oh, a girl.She told them kids, and then the son backed it up.Yeah, well, I also feel like- What's his name, the little one?I don't know. the little boy.I know, I don't remember his name.But he told on the whole family.
As like children do, you know, I mean, obviously it's innocent, I'm not saying told on, but you know how kids are.Oh no, mommy.And man, does housewives love a flashback, so.
They love a flashback, but then we get to, I appreciated this, Gina says it's difficult for Travis to live separately from her, but he's now realizing that she is not responsible for the decision.Finally, we're getting the conversation.
But I feel like we could have had this conversation 17 episodes ago.Yeah, but you know how men are.But do you do you think it's do you know how men are or do you think that conversation we're only getting now because Tamara outed it on in London?
It's possible.It's possible that Tamara pushed that.Yes, absolutely.
But that would have been useful knowledge for us to have.Yes, it would have.I didn't understand why she would break up the family and do all that.
And now we do, and then you look at Gina differently.Looking back, you're like, oh, I understand why she did certain things.
And it actually made Gina more likable to me.
Much more, yes.I was like, you know what?That's always the problem.It's like... When you try to protect too much... Yes, you think you need to protect something, which in...
Actuality, had it just been open, people would have understood why you were reacting a certain way, why you were upset, maybe why you cried, maybe why you broke up your family.
And look, there's no, problem is with these shows, there's no manual for this shit.You're like really, you're doing the best you can, you're making decisions, you're trying to protect people, meaning your family or your children.
And your story sometimes you meaning the woman on these shows the women on these shows gets fucked But I did feel in this moment that she actually really does love Travis.
She does and I think This was her line in the sand.Yeah You need to I didn't also realize that Travis wasn't actually divorced.I
Yeah, and that's a big key piece because now you understand why Gina's making these decisions and acting the way she is.Yeah.And that's also why you can't rush to judgment because you don't have all the facts.
Yeah, but Travis says he's still unhappy about the decision and Gina gets emotional, explaining she feels guilty and thinks they should go to therapy.
Go to therapy, it's worth it.Go to therapy.It doesn't matter.Great, go to Dr. Jen.Well, yeah, apparently.If she's not busy with Nick.Apparently, she's really- Like Shane Lawman.Listen, she'd probably fire me.No, she's awesome.
But then the women arrive at Jen's engagement party in tacky bridesmaids dresses. Okay, yeah.
All right, the women arrive at Jen's engagement party in tacky bridesmaid's dresses.When aren't they tacky, though?
Remember, Kyle's on Camille. Nothing I love more than a, what's the sleeve called?
A cap or something like that.
A cap sleeve and a flower halo.That might be your first photo that we use for your Raya account.
Fuck you.You know what, I'll never get any dick.
A cap sleeve and a flower crown is where it's at.
I have never worn a flower crown or maybe a cap sleeve in the 80s, but not lately.
I'm going to go and Google and find them.But there's a special guest, Jo De La Rosa.You don't know her, but she was- She was the first season of Orange County.
Yeah, before Gresham was.
Yeah, and she was like young and she wanted to be a singer and he helped her.But he also held on to all the rights of her music.OK.Wow.And then Tamara tells Gina that she's decided to stop drinking.
Probably a good idea for the moment.
Yeah.In this moment, I'm wondering, does she mean for the rest of the season?
Yes.I'm going to go with that.
Yeah.Which we've all done.I think after Provence, I was like, I'm out.Yeah.You tapped out on that.
Then don't worry.I embarrassed myself later.I had to quit too.Put me in retirement. Yeah, you gotta retire from that.
Meanwhile, I'm like, can I have another glass of champagne?Yeah, we put our asses in retirement.
Hold on, but listen, I know we're switching from Orange County for a second, but on New York right now, Tamara and I just discussed, Rebecca Minkoff drinks in real life, but doesn't drink at all on the show.And one of the girls is annoyed by that.
Well, it means she's trying to control the, yeah.
Right, but who wants a completely 100% controlled human?And then don't go on the show.
My first year I didn't drink, but I did that because I didn't know what I was doing and I wanted to be sober.I didn't want to be caught off guard.
I mean, and other than Provence, I would never have more than two drinks.
No, you're not.Two drinks are fun.You're easy.You can say a few cute things.You don't want to be me at Diana's party.
Although it was fun.Or Aspen.I think I probably was still probably worse than you in Provence.
I think they saved me.Ma'am, I don't think so.
Well, Heather says Matt and Katie ignored her.Katie and Matt think Heather snubbed them. I just thought they walked by each other.
I didn't read that much into this.Yeah, I'm with you.I thought it was kind of in crossing.I think that that's making too much of it both ways.I didn't mean that.
And I think oftentimes when you're entered and you're all getting miked and you're doing whatever, you just cross by one another.
It can happen.Let's not read too much into that.There's something else I want to read into.
the Shannon thing with Matt later.
Oh, you better believe it.
Oh, wait, I didn't get into that, honey.But then we skip down to Gina tells Tamra that her fight with Shannon is affecting her relationship with herself and Jen.I don't think so.I mean, I don't, I feel like truthfully, Tamra,
And Jen don't like one another.Not at this moment, no.But I feel like they're very different human beings.I feel like Jen is very passive.
No, let's say, I don't want to say passive.She has the softer edges.I just think that she's, look, they're just different.
Do you think Jen is naive?
There's a bit of innocence in Jen.Yes.I want to say innocence.I don't want to say naivete.But yes, I see what you're saying. Like, I think that- But there's a sweetness and a kindness inside of Jen that I really like.
I can tell you, when I filmed Orange County the one time, the woman that I, other than Tamara, because she's my friend, but the woman that I naturally connected with the most- Was Jen?Was Jen.Yeah.
There was something in her eyes- She seems like a sensitive, kind, gentle soul.Like, I naturally liked her in that moment.Which is also why I don't want her to get fucked over with Ryan. I'm not saying he's going to, but I'm saying I'm nervous.
I'm nervous too.And that's okay.I'm allowed to say that.Do you find Ryan attractive?I never look at men and find them attractive.Never?Not really.That's not what I'm looking at here.I'm not looking at him like that.I'm looking at how he is.
I'm looking at his, how he makes me feel.Not what he looks like, but what do I get from him.I always say this, I'm never looking at the way someone looks necessarily.I'm always looking at the feeling I get from them.
And the feeling I get from them is just, I feel like Jen's a sweet girl, but you know, I don't want him to take advantage of her kindness and sweetness.And I'll just leave it like that.
I think- Do you know what I'm saying?
Yes, and I've recently been doing some research on this and I think it is very common for women who are close to perimenopause to be going through transitional phases and make big life decisions that they- That ain't nothing but a midlife crisis, bitch.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, midlife crisis.But I think within that midlife crisis, She left what was comfortable for somebody that probably made her feel certain.
Probably made her feel amazing.
Probably made her feel really good, yeah, and brought up all of these beautiful feelings that maybe had been asleep.I don't know, I'm speaking for her.Oh yeah, I actually have no idea.
I have no idea, but I can imagine that something like that has happened.
But then Ryan goes on and says that Joe was the one who introduced him.Oh my God.Who you realize Matt is the guy that's connected to the Dodger guy to the- You can say the name Shohei Otani, you can say it.
Okay, so either way, Matt, the fact that Matt is in this episode is a little bit of heaven.
So Matt, the bookie slash professional gambler slash our money launderer is how he's in quotes here.
Matt then calls Ryan his money launderer.Yes, he guys don't go on this show.So you make fun of things like that.And then it fucking ends up here.And now you got to answer for it.You realize that somebody out there some low end fucking lawyer
is gonna make you answer for that.Don't fucking say this shit.
But the fact that they showed this more than once.
And I'm not talking about the feds, so don't be opening a case against me.
No, we aren't talking about the feds.We're too low brow for that.But the fact that they showed this more than once means the editors wanted to make sure we didn't miss this nugget.
They're driving home the point that he is a quote, money launderer.Guys, don't make,
I just want to point out something.
Very small.If all of a sudden all of my mail is going to your.I know you said this before.It's fucking weird.
It is weird.It is weird.It's weird.
I don't know what exactly that means.I also don't really know why Matt thought he should film.
I agree.Also, I want to know where Ryan and Matt's relationship is today after Ryan cooperated with federal government.
I don't know.Is he waiting to be sentenced? I don't know, but here's what I wanna know.Ryan, are you and Matt still cool?Let us know.I would like to know.These kind of things fascinate me more than these chicks do.
And does his mail still come to your house?Are you getting prison mail?Probably not.Is there gonna be like a wedding?
Somebody called me from the Orange County Jail.I was like, I don't fucking know anybody down there.Maybe it was them.
Actually, it's from the Raya account.
No, maybe it was from him.
Hold on, what is the prisoners?There's a prisoners dating site.
No.Well, I don't know about that, but have you seen that shit on TikTok where they call up and, like, do the, hey, I'm getting out in, like, three weeks, I'm looking for a down-ass bitch?Have you seen that shit?
Have you seen how good Armie Hammer looks now?
Yeah, I was watching it today.His Armie Hammer time?
I feel like it's... I'm ready to move into your next-door-neighbor situation.
Well, he's long gone.Yeah, see, so... Right.Yeah, Matt... We love that.Matt is awaiting sentencing. And I have a feeling that Matt's gonna do good time.And I wonder if he and Ryan, if they're friends.
I mean, cause after you talk like that, you probably aren't the besties.I don't know how it's done.
I don't really know how it's done.
And I don't wanna know, but unfortunately I got somebody in my family who does know.But then- Who's awaiting sentencing in December, thanks.I mean, my God.
Oh my God.Should I be at the courtroom taking notes?
Me and Ronald.Oh, God.Emily confronts Katie about Kaylee's comments about Heather.Emily says her sons are nine years old and have no idea who Heather is.Emily questions why Katie would tell Tamara.Katie says Kaylee was the one who told Tamara.
And then Katie says it was her mother daughter moment and they were giggling. OK, before we even get into the highs and lows of this.Emily, this is I know I do a podcast with you, you wearing your wedding dress.
It's not an ugly bridesmaid dress.
No, that's your ugly wedding dress.
Listen, I own the same ugly wedding dress.It's from Nicole Miller.Oh, you guys have the same wedding dress?I shortened mine.Oh, you did?And then I borrowed my friend's pink Louboutins to wear with it, which really... You know what?
Is that that picture right there?Yeah.That's cute though. That's not a fucking, there's no white bridesmaids dresses.
There are leather and moss.And then the fact that Shane had the bouquet, right?Yeah.Shane and her husband had the bouquet in the refrigerator or freezer or some shit.He saved that shit.That's very sweet of him.
Did you like save your cake?
No, no, no.Well, my first wedding I did, you know, I got married at St.Patrick's Cathedral.So I was married into a Sicilian family.So yes, the answer is you keep the top layer of your cake for one year and then you eat it.
Where do you think that is now?
Well, we threw it in the trash.But my marriage to Tom, I got married at LA Country Club.We didn't have anything like that.We went to Vegas for dinner.It was great.
Yeah, it actually was.It was good times.
Then Jen tells Tamra she doesn't want to keep rehashing things.Tamra says she has all the texts and Shannon brought this up to come between them.Jen says she's uncomfortable in their friendship and Tamra says she's not here to fight and walks away.
But then Vicky, who, I'm sorry.Well, she, you're not that, I mean, come on, already.So I'm gonna pull myself aside from this, but does Vicky seem like she wants to be on this television show?
Okay, personally, I think Vicky would like to be on the television show on her own terms.
Right, but because she's not, she's gonna bitch about it while she's on the television show, which to me is not entertaining to watch.It feels that way.Like, if you are willing to show up... You have to give 100%, you have to entertain.
Yeah, don't come.Or get on another show.Or go on another show, which I'm sure there's another show for Vicky out there anyway.
No, it got canceled. And now the whole, all that's canceled.
I don't even know what you're talking about, but okay.
No, the real housewife.What is it?The girls trip.
Oh, the ultimate girls trip.Oh, is that the one?Oh, they're not going to air that one.Is that the brandy one?
Okay.Well, I'm sure she's got something else going on.There's always the stage show, the live show. There's always the live show.You stop with that shady laughing.
Not the shady laughing.Oh, OK.Oh, that is delight.I mean, oh, my gosh, not this morning.I know. There's always the live show, you know, there's always the fucking live merch and uh merch sales You know, I'm gonna throw a couple shirts out.
Let's get a couple vodka tonics going.Yeah But anyhow then the women get together for a group photo and
Take this shit on the road.
Yeah, let's let's fucking go then Shannon says she's creating healthy boundaries from Tamra She says she is truly done with this and storms off.
Okay, I Did this fight at this point the next thing that happens with Shannon and Matt is Shannon, you lost me here.
This is not, that's a... Matt, all Matt was doing was going, I don't wanna be next to the other Matt, who's allegedly getting indicted.Money launderer.He's like, I'm just trying to sit here.
Listen, Matt, if you can hear us, you're a good man.
Matt, Katie's husband, Matt, not the other Matt.
Yeah, right, everybody knows.Katie's husband, Matt, you were just being a good guy. And you know what, you didn't deserve that.And I did not like the way Shannon twisted this, and it's not cool.
So clearly Matt's sitting there- Which gives Tamra fuel.You realize this, right?You just created a whole scenario that you didn't need to.So Matt's just trying to enjoy his time, probably enjoy like He's not enjoying any of this.
He's just being supportive of Katie.He just wants Katie to do well.
Right, he's just being a good guy.
Yeah, he's not even having more than like his standard one vodka tonic.
He seems like a really nice stable man.You know, the men on these shows, this show in particular, they're really nice people.
Well, I mean, you can't actually comment on the men on your show because there isn't.
There isn't a damn man to be found.We run them off.
They ran them all off.You can't fucking find one.But I'm finding one on Riot tonight for Erica, and he'll be on next season.
Hold on.I can fill my bed every night.It's just, do I do it?No.Okay.
Okay, you get on out there.
Um, well, anywho, he's standing there, he's trying to have a sip of his drink.Shannon runs off.This time she hasn't taken off her mic.Shannon says she used to say she's done and come back.Now when she says she's done, she means it.
She means it.Okay.And Matt says that maybe it's time to walk away. And he cares about her and she's been kind to him.And Shannon tells Matt that that makes her angry because he doesn't know her at all.Like, Shannon, don't get mad at Matt.
He's simply just a guy trying to be nice and have a conversation with you.And he says, well, you're standing in front of me right now telling me you're melting down. Yeah, I mean, look, don't if you want support, find a gay man.
Don't go to a straight man.Okay, here's a gay man laughing in the background right now.That's a gay man laughing in the background.I saved my point.Let me tell you something.Don't go to a straight man with a meltdown and look for sympathy.
You ain't getting it, you're getting a fucking solution that you don't wanna hear.
You're getting a solution to a problem, because that's how men think.Only your gays are gonna come and be like, bitch, yes, but let's fix it.Yes, you handled that shit.You handled him.Let's fix your, get back out there, tiger.
No, that's not what this is.And I didn't like it that she tried to make Matt a bad, you know, feel like he was a bad, I didn't like that.
This scene felt like a sneak peek of what Shannon Storms Bedore can potentially be like.
Listen, they left it in for a reason.Don't be fooled.
But also, if you don't want to be there, leave.
I don't think anything he said was for me.
But we've watched her leave many times.I don't think what even... He didn't say anything bad.Matt's a nice man.Let's not do this to Matt.He doesn't deserve it.
She tried, but she turned it into like breaking the fourth wall.
No, she turned it into, she just gave Tamra all of the confirmation.I've been telling you, Shannon's this way.Here it is.Here's your evidence.Yep, here you go.But then, John Jansen arrives.Oh my God.Which I gotta say something.
I'm glad they didn't show more of him or he didn't come in.I'm glad he just picked her up.That's the kind of energy I have.
But now he's in confessions.
Well, what I was about to say was this.Well, I love when I get you tongue-tied.It's my favorite.
No, no, no.It's not that.What I was about to say is I would have liked him throughout the season had he just picked her up and dropped her off and it'd have been minimal.When you're in a confessional, shit like that, that's where you lose me.
I would have been fine had he just... Dropped her off, yeah.Yeah, showed up to pick her up.Yeah. Um, me too, but him needing to get out and the whole I Emily love you Maybe maybe one too many Espresso martinis.
Oh, yeah Well, and it happens Gina up.
Yes over the wall to see Yeah, just go to the front door and look outside if but it's not entertaining.
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All right, the end credits, which I mean, ladies, I'm gonna need more.Shannon's girls are thriving in New York City and Paris.That sounds fun.Shannon is slowly entering the dating pool.Is she on Raya?
And although Alexis may have taken her problem, one still remains, and that's the unsettled lawsuit.
Emily. Shane finally went to the doctor, and though his tests were normal, Emily upped his life insurance policy.Emily.Emily.It's kind of funny.Luke and Keller have a new babysitter who does not spread rumors.
Emily, this is telling me we're going to have to work a touch on your storyline for next season.
With ending credits.Can I tell you something about all of it?It felt kind of lame.Yeah, it did.You know? I mean, oh my God, if you could only live my life for a day.
Sophia's attending community college for studio arts, like we saw.And while Tamra intends to speak her truth and be the bigger person, she's still waiting for Jen's wedding invitation.Jen, you could invite me and Erica.
Oh my God, we're so much more fun.I mean, Tamra's a good time, but maybe not your kind of good time right now.
I know that was, oh, he did.You know what, Ryan?I don't appreciate you not thanking me as well.
Well, listen, I think he did, but I was just more vocal that day.You like Jen.
Look, we, listen, I, there's much, there's a lot more people I dislike more than Jen.
Yes, you have a long list.However, I will say this, and I think that we can agree on this, Jen has a sweetheart.Like we've said earlier, she has a very sweet spirit about her.There's something sweet about her, and I want,
I don't want anybody to get hurt.That's all I care about.
If you had to pick a bestie, would it be Jen or Katie?
Oh, Jen.Over Katie?Yeah.Yeah.Because I think that Katie gossiped about Heather with her daughter.I do.And as much as I want Katie to meet her mom and I want that to go well, and I think she has a cool husband,
It's her first season and I think that, you know, she found out some, you know, make mistakes and you learn your lesson the hard way.
I also don't love when the ending credit is when they say at the, at the final episode, we're going to do something and then it doesn't happen.Like what?What are you talking about?
So Katie was supposedly going to see her mom, but it hasn't happened yet.It hasn't happened yet.I don't love it. No, no, but- I want immediate, because I realize- You want payoff.Teddy wants payoff.I understand.I am diagnosed OCD.Are you really?Yeah.
I didn't know that.You didn't know that?
Diagnosed OCD.Well, that explains it.Since I was younger, so I need that closure.
So if you're saying I'm doing that then like I need but you are that person If somebody says I'm doing this you do do that to the nth degree.
I have noticed Unfortunately, yes for everyone in my life But so Katie says Katie is yet to travel to South Korea, but hopes to meet her birth mother later this year I want it to go.Well, Heather will not be getting a souvenir
Yeah, we didn't think so.
Well, you can take Heather's now.
Right.Okay, so Nikki's first real estate deal broke a record for the highest sale in Long Beach.Congratulations.And while Terry's nose still doesn't make him look like George Clooney, he isn't snoring anymore, which I'll take any day.
A man snoring next to me is, I can't do it. I'd rather have a dog.No, that's what I'm saying.Tom did snore.I couldn't take it.
But I have a question.When he snored, would you allow it?
Or would you push to the side?
So I'd push his shoulder.Yeah, you'd push his shoulder.Or I'd adjust his head.Or any man that sleeps next to me, I will adjust their head.Because, you know, no, I don't want to hear it.
Here's the thing.If I fall asleep first, I can live with it.
No, but to get woken up out of a deep sleep by some man snoring is not good. But also, do we snore?Yes, yes.I had this full on with someone.I was like, you're snoring.He's like, all right, watch this.Full on, I was snoring.No.Yeah. That's disgusting.
Well, it happens.Well, Gina and Travis are still apart and share custody of Meatball and Clover, which are, by the way, are so cute.They are really cute.Gina is optimistic about their future as Travis gets closer to finalizing his divorce.
Are you optimistic about their future?
Gina, I just want you to be hopefully up to a cautiously optimistic. Travis, get the divorce.Gina and Travis can go from there.Ladies, please protect yourselves.That's all.
So anyways, then we get to the end.
So all the end credits are done.Oh, everything is lovely.And then boom. Cameras are back up!Three weeks later, Ryan is being accused of laundering money through casinos in Vegas.God damn it.
Hold on, who was the guy that everybody said that you were dating that was the old guy from Vegas?
So that was Michael Gaughan who started... Does he work at Southpoint?He owns Southpoint.He's a nice man though and like a Vegas legend.
Ryan is being accused of laundering money through casinos in Vegas.
That's a really big deal, y'all.
I don't really understand because I don't gamble.
So you take the money, so what you do is, and correct me if I'm wrong, you take money, let's say we have $50,000 that we've obtained illegally through betting, okay?
So we've obtained it not through this podcast.
No, we're going to take this. We're a bookie and we've made $50,000 like his friend Matt.But in order to make this money real, we're gonna go play.We're gonna go buy in at a casino for 50 G's.Now we're gonna lose some of this money, right?
But what we walk out with is clean and that's money.
How is it clean?Because it goes through.
Right, you put it into the system.You put it in, you've lost some.It's not just $50,000 that appears out of nowhere.
It's not a $50,000 check that you've gotten from Neutrogena and now you're trying to pretend that.
Right, it's not, it doesn't come through.It's illegally, it's taking illegal money and attempting to make it legitimate.
Okay, so this is where things get a little bit sketchy.Ryan says that life throws things at you that you never expect, and Jen says everybody- Is that like a pun on the show, Hey Otoni, because he's a pitcher?
I know, it grossed me out.
I mean- But the Lord's plan, when we invoke God here, Ryan, I know that I do some praying too, but God, Jesus. But you know, I felt for Jen when she said, everybody's going to question me and it's going to be a bloodbath.Yes, dear.Call me.
Tamra then says Jen's an idiot to marry him.
I agree, you have to put this on hold right now.
But then Tamra, Emily, Heather, and Alexis meet.Emily says it was $16 million and he could go to prison.Tamra says she was right about Brooks and now she was right about Ryan.So you know the backstory about Brooks?
Yeah, with the cancer thing.Yeah, no, Tamra was right and he's not gonna go to jail because he cooperated.Matt's going to go to jail.
But I have a question.If you cooperate... There's different deals. Did your money still get taken away?Fuck yeah!That's what I mean, like is Ryan still rich?
No.Any money that was obtained illegally is taken away and you possibly have to pay restitution.I don't know what the deals are.Listen, I'm sure somebody in the legal world can tell us, but no, you don't get to keep that.That is illegal money.
So ill-gotten gains, whatever the fucking word is.But yes, no, you don't keep anything.As a matter of fact, they may want more, whatever.I mean, this isn't, guys, I just wanna say something.There's a lot more to this story than housewives.
And this is, I just, again, Jen, this is serious, that's all.
But I do wonder and I and I start to have empathy for Jen because you can see she starts to film with some of the women and she's panicking about why she should she should panic but then We now know that she's doubled down on her relationship With him.
Yeah, that's okay.You can do that.But that's fine.If you love him, that's great and He cooperated, so apparently he's not gonna go to jail, but you're gonna have fallout from this, Jen, and they're never gonna let you go from it.
You already know that, and these women are gonna seize on that, just like they do in every franchise, on every Housewives show, and you're gonna be interrogated.
Well, they said Ryan received immunity for his testimony.His friend, Matthew Bauer, pled guilty and faces up to 18 years in federal prison.Yes.Jen and Ryan's wedding is planned for June 2025.OK.
Knowing what you know about Ryan at this point, and granted, he's now made her feel better than she's probably felt in a really long time.
How about we just live and have a nice time and maybe you don't become legally, you don't enter into a legal contract with this man, Jen.Not right now.
Is she safer to just stay engaged?
Hell yeah.Just don't, please don't marry this man until You know all the facts until all the dust has settled.That's what I'm trying to say.I just don't think that you need to do that.
That would be, if you were my friend, Jen, that's what I'd say to you.I know you love Ryan.I know he loves you.That's wonderful.Right now, the answer is, no, I mean that.No, no, I mean that.But just not right now.Not right now.Not right now.No.
Just give it a minute.There's no need to rush.
But I can say that Orange County is giving. I enjoyed it.I think, compare, I'm watching every freaking show right now.
If your shit doesn't measure up at this point, I'm gonna be really upset.
Oh, I can't control what these broads do or don't do.
I mean, you're one of the broads.
I can only be myself, honey.I don't know if you've noticed the last few years or who's been, you know.
Shit, fuck.Well, I don't know.Let's see, let me see. Yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna like it.There's enough strife to keep you entertained.
Yeah, I mean look, it's different.It's a different, it's a different vibe.That's why you watch different franchises.Everybody has a different signature.
All right, I appreciate it.Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Two Teas and a Pod.Eric and I will be recapping the reunions.
And I hope so much more, because I don't want to miss, listen, I'm not afraid to bring social media into this.Who wants Erica to continue on with me in some capacity?
I've had a good time, Teddy.I've had a really nice time.
Are you giving me the polite push off?No, I'm not.On the Raya swipe right or left?
No, I'm not swiping on you.Here's what I'm saying is that I have enjoyed
My time here with you, and I think that we've discovered something really cool together, and I enjoy talking with everyone I enjoy watching everybody in the comments, and I also like to get to spend this time with you It's fun for me, and we get to connect in a different way than if we were just meeting up with all the other women Yeah, so thank you for having me on well.
I've appreciated you doing this and you give me joy every week good good I'm here to make you smile
And you know what?That's what this is all about, guys.You listen, you watch these shows so that you can take a break from your own life and step into somebody else's shoes.
And if Teddy and I can make you smile in a recap, that's all that we're here for.
Yeah.Or get mad at us.Yeah, get mad at that, too.
Feel something.Have emotion.That's all we're here for.
That's all we need.We're entertaining.Thank you.
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