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Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.A few days ago, this big story broke involving a squirrel.A guy in New York State had taken a squirrel and a raccoon as a pet and put them on the internet.
Peanut the squirrel became an internet sensation, had half a million followers and people just loved that little guy.
Then a few days ago, the Department of Environmental Conservation seized Peanut and the raccoon named Fred from owner Mark Lungo's home.He had an animal sanctuary in rural Pine City, New York.They then euthanized the animals.
So they take the animals from this guy's house where he films himself snuggling with this squirrel and kissing the squirrel constantly and they're just like best friends and they kill him.They kill the squirrel.
A lot of people were outraged, me included.Now, I think it's important to note that I hate squirrels. I am not into them at all.I have an animal loving mom who saves turtles and, you know, feeds stray cats.
And she used to feed the squirrels on my balcony in Brooklyn.And I was very anti that whole thing.They're really gross.They're gross.They're vicious.I mean, I think the only animal I dislike more than squirrels are pigeons.Just ew.
But coming into someone's home and taking away their animal, who isn't bothering anyone, scares me.And I think it scared a lot of people who heard the story.
And I've seen a lot of commentary around this go something like, people are more concerned about squirrels than they are about blank.It could be anything.I saw high grocery prices, the border, death in Gaza, et cetera.
But I want to say that I found it very encouraging that people cared about the insane thing that happened with the squirrel. We can't culturally accept that kind of action from our government.If they do that, what else can they come and do?
As I like to say, this show is not about politics.And it's not the politics of this that bothers me.It's not that it happened in New York.If it happened in a red state, I'd be just as mad.
We're in this time where people tell me they can't sleep because they're so worried about what's going on in our country. And I really think that small stories, like this squirrel story, really exacerbates that, silly as that may sound.
We need to be able to count on things going a certain way, and the government coming to your home and seizing your, yes, weird, but harmless pet, should not happen. And then killing that pet is just really crossing the line.
I told my kids this story, and they wondered, why didn't they just set the animals free?After all, the whole concern, supposedly, was that they're wild animals and shouldn't be living in someone's home, right?Why kill them?
I worry about the future of the country with stories like that.I really do. People need to know what to expect.During COVID, I just wanted normalcy back, and we were willing to move to Florida to get it.People need normal.They crave normal.
I think stories like this move us away from normal, move us away from knowing what to expect, and that really harms our country overall. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iHeartRadio.My guest today is radio host, Tony Katz.How's it going?
It is going well.I didn't know if David Marcus rules applied and whether or not I could smoke during this.
Oh, you could totally smoke.Go ahead.Have you done an interview with David Marcus?I have, and I discouraged him from smoking just because I like picking on him.But, um, yeah, he, he smoked pretty much the whole way through.
Okay.But he's, but he's a cigarette smoker.He needs to, I'm a cigar smoker.
Right.So tell me about your, before we got on, you were telling me you have three radio shows, which, you know, I would say seems like a lot, but I have two podcasts now, so I get it.So tell me, tell us about your shows.
There used to be a time in radio where you could do just one show and feel like you made a living and feel like everything's going to be all right.It's a tenuous world is radio.So I'm the morning host of 93.1 FM WIBC in Indianapolis.
I've been doing the morning show here for 10 years.And then I am on the host of something called Tony Cats Today, which is nationally syndicated. We're in Memphis, we're in Tulsa here in Indianapolis, throughout Indiana.
We then share the show on weekends.And then I host the, which started as a hobby, because I'm a cigar guy, Eat, Drink, Smoke, which is the largest cigar and bourbon radio review program in the country.We're on 88 stations.
across the country on weekends, myself and Fingers Molloy, who is a joy and a treat of a man.
And that's led to books on barbecue and bourbon and just the very idea of, I have a hobby, I like this thing, I talk about this thing, and then it turned into... kind of turn into a business.
Well, that's the best, right?That is actually when magic happens, when you can talk about something that you love to talk about and make money from it.I love bourbon also.
I'm actually more into rye, but is it all brown liquors or do you limit to bourbon?
Rye is Rye is unsung in Indiana.It is.It is the drink.Yeah, I'm much more a fan of Midwest rise and let's say East Coast rise.I'm not as much of a Whistlepig guy as I am.So the other things.
Tell me some of your favorites.I need I need some recommendations.
See, that's unfair.Favorite favorite is I can give you recommendations, but I can't I can't rank. Pikesville.I think every liquor cabinet should have Pikesville rye in it.I think that is absolutely unsung, a spectacular, spectacular drink.
Out of Indiana, there's some guys called Hard Truth, which is down in Nashville, Indiana, Brown County, which is a beautiful, beautiful spot.You guys have a Nashville, huh?It's, it's, there is no Broadway.No, no girls going woohoo.None of that.
I can bring some over if you need it.
But no, please, please.There's only so much of that one can handle.So they do some great work because they do it.They do a sweet mash, right?Which is, you know, they're not using a starter.They're doing it fresh every time.
So as far as rise, those two, I think, should be in liquor cabinets all over the place.But no, it's not just it's not just brown liquor.Rum is fantastic with a cigar.And people never, ever put it together.Bamboo.
B-U-M-B-U, if you've never had a bamboo rum with a cigar, I think is great.We just did an Irish whiskey that was absolutely spectacular, kind of like apple and pear pie mixed with butter.It was
Yeah.Yeah.And I'm not an Irish whiskey guy at all.That is not where I feel it's like Japanese whiskey.That is just not good.It's not enjoyable, but no, it's, it's, it's more about just being able to taste and get an idea of what's like an art.
What is an artist trying to do?It's like the cigar.This is, this is art.What was the plan here?What's the thinking here.And, and, and kind of exploring what they're all about.And I'm much more of a cigar person than a drinker by any stretch.
I don't have to finish the drink.I will finish the cigar.
What kind of cigar are you smoking today?
So this is an Oliva, or sometimes pronounced Oliva.I leave it to others.The Suri V, this is the Melania, which is not Melania.This has nothing to do with Trump.
It's just... Although that's not a bad business idea, the Melania cigar.
Someone hasn't done Trump cigars already?
You know, they haven't created an 8-inch cigar and just called it huge.That has to have happened.I like this is a pretty moderately priced cigar.The regular Siri V is probably about $10, $11.This is probably about $17.
But I find it to be a very easy, all-purpose smoke, no matter what you're doing, whether you're doing coffee, whether you're doing bourbon, whether you're doing a Diet Coke, which is a nice, clean way to cleanse the palate each time without affecting flavor of the cigar.
It's in the humidor constantly. But it isn't my everyday, it's just what I happen to pick right now.
Can you see yourself getting into the business of maybe a bourbon or a cigar or something?I had Michael Knowles on the show, he has his own cigar company now.Clay and Buck, my overlords here at iHeart, they started a coffee company.
I think people are kind of branching out.Can you see yourself doing that?
I think that is... It's the business and the brand, and the concept of the brand.And I think we're all in it.And it gets very, very strange and very odd.I know Carol Markowitz from the New York Post.Now it's Carol Markowitz from the podcast.
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Yeah, so I'm doing, I did when COVID started, I did a rye whiskey called Recovery Rye. And we raised money for hospitality workers impacted because of closures, right?
So it's myself and a guy who owns a cigar lounge, Corey Johnston, and a group called Backbone Bourbon.And we did this and it did very, very well.Tens of thousands of dollars and was thrilled to do it.
I have coming out in the end of November my first barrel pick that I did with Hotel Tango Distillery, veteran-owned here in Indianapolis, a tenure.
So I've got a 10-year barrel pick, and now it's a conversation of doing a collaboration on a bourbon and a series of bourbons, really kind of focusing on what they refer to as orphan barrels.
This idea that this barrel never got sold, or this barrel didn't turn out the way people wanted.Well, what if you did this and mixed it with that?What if there's an idea here?
What if there's something here that's just perfect on its own, uncut, and just get it out to people and let them try it?And I think that it's all part of It is all part of joy, right?
Being able to do something like I did the podcast Eat Drink Smoke because I wanted an escape from the politics.Right.And then it became its own thing.That is that is that is lightning in a lightning in a bottle.Lovely.
But it's never it's not necessarily about the money.Being a capitalist.
Why not?You know, why not make money along the way?
No, I agree with you.Why not make make money?Sponsorship's now available.But it's it wasn't the driver.It's never been. The driver, the doing to me is much more interesting than the rest.
I would argue that I'd probably be further along in a career, more financially successful in a career if I had made some of those moves, but I kind of like just doing the stuff.Doing the stuff is kind of fun and let the chips fall where they may.
So doing a cigar is far different than doing a bourbon.You've got a lot of people out there that you can work with, reach out to, and do something in a collaborative effort and then use whatever platform you have to try and get it sold.
A cigar is only going to go as far as the people who sell the cigar are can push it because they're going to buy the box and then they have to sell the 20 cigars that are inside.
There has to be something worthwhile, a story that they're going to buy into and believe and share.And it has to actually be good in order for those cigar lounges to do it.So, you know, you can. You can gimmick a cigar from now until the end of time.
And there are a lot of people in the celebrity world who get into cigars.Those people are going to suss it out.You can't.You can gimmick bourbon.Snoop can give me gin and juice all you want.
And Ryan Reynolds can get lucky as bloody heck with Aviator Gin.Fantastic marketing.I'll leave the gin to others.What George Clooney did with tequila.Remember, no one's made more money than Sammy Hagar with Cabo Labo.
I mean, that guy is the originator for sure. But people will do it for the kitsch, not a cigar.Cigar has to be good.And I haven't yet decided on the cigar maker.
Well, I would smoke the Tony Katz.If you if you make it, I will smoke it.
So I pledge that to you right here.Do you smoke cigars?
I mean, occasionally.I'm not like I don't think I would do it at 1020 a.m.on a Wednesday.
Well, then I'll do it just to say it got done. And by the way, that's a great lighter.
But yeah, yeah, absolutely.You know, late night with a whiskey.Sure.Why not?
What do you drink?What is what is the Carol Markowitz end of the day?I've told people how great Florida is.
Yeah, well, once I've gotten through that, you know, I don't drink as much as I'd like.I know everybody talks about drinking, drinking less. Um, no, but it's true.
Like my bar has really grown and my husband and I are always like, Oh, we should drink more.We just don't remember to do it.Um, but again, I am a whiskey person.Like if I go to an event and it's like red or white wine, like kill me right there.
And I would say my most controversial opinion is that wine is bad.So I get a lot of flack on, on the Twitter X for that.It just whiskey so much better.It's just, it's, it's a different universe.
In a bar where I know they're going to have it, Woodford Rye is the one that I would go for.I love Four Roses.I do like Whistlepig.I like all those Kentucky brands.I like the fancy stuff too.I drink all kinds of Wellers.
My husband, when I had my third kid, he got me a bottle of Pappy's.We do it right also.
So on the Pappy side, the Weller 12, I think is a brilliant, brilliant bourbon.You don't have to spend the Pappy money.The Four Roses is a great pick.The Small Back Select, I think, is exquisite.
And on Woodford, Elizabeth McCall would be a great interview.She's now the master distiller there.She's tremendous.And they do not only, the rye is good, but the Woodford double oak, And there is, in small batches, the double-double-oaked.
Really?All right, I'll have to check that out.So how did you get into the radio world before you even had the show about the whiskey and the food and the cigars?What was the first step into this kind of landscape?
Going broke.I had moved to Los Angeles to start a tech company with a friend of mine, fraternity brother, still dearest friend in the world.And this was when the bailouts came in 2008 and 2009.
And anybody who was an investor was running for cover, trying to figure out which end was up and lost our funding.And I lost, I had to short sell my house back in Florida, in Tampa Bay.
at the time and spent a year trying to figure out which end was up.And as this was happening, the Tea Party was coming into existence.And I started that.
I was one of those original people and did that first rally in California on the Santa Monica Pier, which is a weird place to have a tea party.Yeah, for sure.But on the on those steps right at the end of the pier, that was that was me.
The first word spoken at a tea party in California. and did that for a while and said, I want to have these conversations, but I didn't want to make money off these people.I wasn't gonna be a guy printing T-shirts or anything like that.
So I knew of a radio station where I'd done a little bit of work in Clearwater, Florida, and I bought the time.And I bought an hour a day and did the show from California on Skype. Wow, Los Angeles.And that's and that's how I got started.
That's how I started my my my radio career.And it was right around the time where Arizona was was having this law SB 1070.You have a lawful stop.You can ask the person you stop what country they're from.
People were upset and they were saying boycott Arizona and don't do conventions in Arizona.And Congress members from Arizona were saying this.I thought this was nuts.
I started offering free advertising to Arizona businesses, which I mean, California, the shows in Florida doesn't make any sense.
A guy I know, John, I haven't spoken to in a great number of years, had run the story on his website and some other people put the word out and then Cavuto called.And three days later, I'm doing Neil Cavuto show my first time on Fox ever.
And that was the start of the career.
I'll be right back with more from Tony Katz.
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No, I knew nothing about tech.I had a friend who was smarter than me, who had a good idea.And I said, here's my money.And I was willing to risk all my money.And I did.I lost everything in that.My 16-year-old self was an extremely unhappy kid.
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It's just going to take a lot of work.And maybe, maybe you want to recognize it a little bit earlier than you did and be proactive. about it if I was giving myself that advice.But the the the also maybe the idea that nobody knows anything.
They all have advice, but no one knows crap.And and try some things on your own and see what works.It's OK.Failure is fine.
Right.So how did you turn it around?
I have a spectacular wife. Absolutely spectacular.I went to a wasn't a psychiatrist, psychologist once, once because my wife had a job and it was covered by insurance.And I went and I went back a second time.
And the guy was basically like, why are you here?I'm like, oh, all right.I must be fine.I wasn't cured.Right.Magic.I tell you, it's like taking the colloidal silver.You're healed of all your ailments.I certainly wasn't.
Not sure I've ever heard a therapist turn down clients before, but you must've been a...
A good one.I don't I it was it was odd as I look back on it was very, very, very odd.But it was a reminder that it was really up to me.I saw something wrong.Right.And that's first recognizing that you're saying something wrong.
I should have been more proactive.And the thing that turned me around, which really didn't start working until my 30s, was I stopped lying about everything. I never lied to another person again.I never lied to myself about anything.
Not the smallest detail, not how this shirt looked, not the fact that my hair is totally... I don't know what's there.Nothing.I don't lie about anything anywhere at any time.Let the chips fall where they may.And it really got me into this idea of
Don't do things for the money.Do things because they can be done.Do the thing.Try the thing.If it doesn't work, it's like in November, November 14th.I'm going to shameless plug.I'm doing an event understanding the election in three bourbons.Right.
Hopefully we'll have election results by then.Yeah, I'm going to break it down for a crowd.What happened in the battlegrounds and in the and in the battle, the sexes and everything else.And we're going to pair it with bourbon.
We've got food, we have cigars afterwards.The event. This is in Fishers, Indiana.You can go to tickets.tonycatz.com.Tickets.tonycatz.com.Thank you.I will fly you out, Carol, if you want to be a part of it.
I will certainly consider that.I've never been to Indiana.
Indiana in November.I'm not sure I have the warm clothes anymore for that.Oh, we have goodwills and a willingness to give you a sweater.These people are very friendly.They seem it.That has been years of me saying I want to do a live event.
Yeah, you know, you talk about like Clay and Buck doing the coffee and and rocket coffee.
You know, all these kinds of things do the thing.I have no idea if this is going to work.I have no idea if it's going to make money.I don't know if people are going to leave going.That's sucked. Or they're going to say, this was a great time.
If they leave saying it was a great time and then they learn something, that's the win.Great time first, right?That's going to be tough.I just like the idea of doing and saying, I have to do this.I got to get this out of my system.
Get it out of my soul.And so I now just do anything I dang well please.
I love it.So what do you worry about in whatever path you think that question leads you?
Yeah. So, I mean, you could argue some of the basic stuff, right?I have a family, I have children, and certainly concerns for them in this world, in this society, without question, being Jewish, it's something that we both talk about on social media.
More noticeable than ever before.
Right.More noticeable than than ever before.You know, I used to argue that very often what you saw was an anti-Semitism.It was moronism.Somebody was a swastika on a stop sign right down the street.They're not after Jews.They're a schmuck.
And they thought, oh, this will be shocking.It's it's you know, it's like pick the latest teeny bopper star who thinks that getting undressed for a camera is shocking.We grew up during Madonna.We've seen literally everything. She made a whole book.
You cannot surprise us in the slightest.But I will tell you that maybe it's a function of age.But over the last year, death. I part of the whole depression thing was being obsessed with family members.And what would I do if they passed away?
Like, it's weird, odd thing to be to be a part of.And how would I handle this?And how would I handle that?Like, somehow you could control that.But I couldn't control anything else in my life, which is part of the depression.
So I invented things that I could grab control of.And it makes sense as a you utilize that as a crutch, as a vehicle. dealing with the fact that mortality will come.
And I, the only thing that has truly ever stuck with me on a philosophical level from my father, passed away in June, he said, the worst part about the idea of passing away is I wanna see what happens next.
Right, yeah, that's it, yeah.
That is as a matter of just take a step back and have a sip of that, you know, Carol Markowitz proved rye. I want to see what happens next.
I want to see how things turn out.
It's all going to go on without me.It's all going to go on without us.It's all going to go on.Maybe worry is the wrong word, but that has gotten a lot of my attention lately.
I think about that a lot.I was raised partially by my grandmother who I just was like, you know, obsessed with.And she died before things got good.She died before I met my husband, before my career took off, before any of that happened.
She died when I was largely like adrift.And I wish she had gotten to see, you know, it turned out okay.It went better than expected.So I, you know, fully hear you.
You know, I so I don't I don't know.I think the idea that I do radio and I've done TV stuff and I've had these interviews, I think tickled my father to no end.And he lived in the in the villages.
And I am sure that everybody there heard, oh, my son, the radio, like it was like it was Jerry's father, you know.Right.
Did you buy him a Cadillac or?
Just, um, I don't know.We didn't usually talk in that kind of way.So I don't know.It's an interesting thought for sure.But does it bother you?Is that something you obsess about?
Obsessed about, no, but it is definitely like the regret, you know, the regret of like, my grandma didn't see that it all turned out okay.Again, it was like I was, I was in graduate school when she passed.
So it wasn't like I was completely a mess, but I, I had definitely been a mess in my twenties.And when you were talking about that and you started with, I have an amazing wife.I mean, it was definitely. my husband also that turned my life around.
And I think that I wish she had gotten to see it.That's that's really that's it.
I wish she had gotten to know that it was all good and that my brother got married and had two little girls and just the whole picture of like the family turned out OK, because when she died, it wasn't going that great.
Yeah, that's I think that's a relatable.I think that people are going to understand that very, very well.
Definitely.Well, I've loved this conversation, Tony.I feel like we had laughs, we had sadness, we really ran the gamut.You smoked the cigar.I wish I had to leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Oh, no pressure.No pressure from Markie Markowitz.Has anybody ever referred to you as Markie Markowitz?
I haven't, but I like it.
Copyright.Remember that?That's right.I don't know how you're supposed to lead a good life.I I it's like, what's the best cigar?Hell, if I know, I don't know you.I don't live in your taste buds.I have no idea what your palate is.
I think maybe the question is, have you asked yourself what that is?I mean, honestly, asked yourself and ripped apart the other stuff to get to the thing.I get that it sounds hokey.It sounds like I voted for Marianne Williamson, but it's.
I cannot, I don't, I don't think I can give it enough words to how true that is.Um, that it all got better when I stopped lying about everything.The weight just went away to an extent that something could go away.
It went away better and better over time, but it went away.Um, have you ever asked yourself what makes you happy?And have you ever asked yourself, are you willing to do the things that get there?
Because just because it makes you happy doesn't mean it isn't tough.That's, I mean, and by the way, it could be that taking care of your family makes you happy, and that means you work a job you don't like.And there's reward in that.
There's reward in that sacrifice.That is valuable stuff.So I don't know if I've got the good tip.I don't know if I'm, you know.I like that.I don't know.
Introspection with Tony Katz.I love it.
That's that's the new podcast that is coming on the podcast.
Podcast number four.Thank you so much for coming on, Tony.I've loved this.Go to Tony's event.Tell us one more time.Where is it?When is it?
is November 14th.Tickets dot Tony Katz dot com.You can find me on locals at Tony Katz dot com because, of course, love the locals and on Twitter X and on Instagram at Tony Katz.I hope to get to talk to you.And thank you, Carol, for having me.
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