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What's happening?What's happening, man?
I appreciate y'all having me, man.Bro, we appreciate this.We really appreciate you played for a long time.Obviously, you understand the game.You are a very integral part on teams that went to the championship, that won a championship.
So it's nice to have somebody when we talk basketball, Um we had Gil last year.Gil did an unbelievable job uh and Gil from time to time.
He said if we ever need him, he's available um and so Gil, we really thank you for your contribution and your service last year.JR is your turn.It's your turn under fire.
So we look forward to getting your expertise on a lot of different subjects uh when it involves basketball and hey, we're going to talk football.We're going to talk a whole lot of other things.I know you're a football fan so Add a golf.
I want to talk about I want to football job team looking bad.
We look at stank right now on top of all right All right, let's get right into it The Cavaliers blow out the Lakers 134 to 110 and Ronnie James scored this first NBA point and his dad watches from the bench Jared Allen scored 20 points and 17 rebounds Evan Mobley had 24 at 5 points and Donovan Mitchell had 24 points
The Lakers were led by LeBron James, who played only 29 minutes because the game got out of hand.Anthony Davis continued his great play, having 22 points and 13 rebounds.
The Lakers were unable to cut the Cleveland lead after falling behind by 23 in the first half.In the final minutes, Bronny grew up in this arena.He made a 14-foot jumper with two minutes and three seconds to play for his first NBA point.
He's only a little over 40,000 from catching his dad. Switch when you watch this game and considering how well the Lakers had played, even though they lost the other night, I think it was last night.
I think last night they lost by four to a Phoenix, but they won the previous three.When you look at them, the first three games last night and tonight, what didn't you like about what you saw from the Lakers?
Um, I mean, for me, it's a lot about ball movement.Uh, you know, for one, I mean, Brown is what?40 about 41.
Yeah.Before 84.So no, he'll be 40 on December 30th.
Yeah.So for me, it's like at the end of the day, like seeing him lead the charge is concerning and it's alarming because obviously, you know, You need an extra guy or two to be doing it at his age.
It's incredible, but at the same time, he shouldn't have to be carrying the load like that.And for me, what's alarming that that is,
When you look at the guys who've been working out all season long, all off season long, been in the gym, and it's like, this is the time, especially earlier on in the season, this is the time where you, you know, you start displaying.
So further on down the line, down the road, middle of the year, end of the year, they're like, okay, we can trust this guy.This is where he's been, you know, this is where he's been excelling for me.
Being in those situations, I don't see that from their role players, the guys they brought back.Like, where are you getting better at?Like, what part of their game are you evolving to where, okay, we was lacking this part last year.
I'm gonna be a knockdown shooter.I'm gonna be a lockdown defender.I'm gonna be somebody who's getting in the pick and roll and, you know, makes plays.I don't see that from this team so far.
So that, for me, that's the most alarming part about it, but it is still hurtful.
Yeah, I'm watching them and it's a turnovers when you look at it.A. D. Had the most shot.He had 19.He was not a 17.Rui was 46.LeBron was not a 13.D. Low was 207 and Austin Reeves was 206.Now that's 206 and 207 is not great percentage.
But they only got six shots, Swish.They only got seven shots.AD only had 19 because you had 20 turnovers.So now you don't even give yourself an opportunity to get into an offense.
You don't even give yourself an opportunity to knock down shots, to get into the pick and roll, or you know what I'm saying, to run the dribble drive, to drop a dribble handoff.
So when you turn the ball over, you give them easy buckets on the other end.And so now they shoot 58% from the floor.They shoot 42% from the three.
Well, if you allow a team to shoot 58% from the floor switch, you know this, if you allow a team to shoot 42% from the three, you losing that game.And you're probably going to lose it by a lot.
Yeah, I was about to say, you're going to get smoked.You ain't going to lose.It's going to be embarrassing.
For me, it's like, you know, obviously a guy like Austin Reeves, some nights you're going to have off nights and stuff like that, but you got to figure out a way for him to get more than six to eight shots.
Like if he's going to be that one of those, the third guy to Brian to 80, he's got to figure out a way to get eight more, uh, at least 10 to 12 shots.D'Angelo Russell, 10 to 12 shots.
I mean, 24 minutes, five assists at the point guard with the players that you plan with no disrespect to DLO, but. I'm gonna need more out of that.And on top of that, you're not my primary defender on the ball, so you gotta give me something.
So for me, it's a lot of that, and on top of that, when I sit here and look at it, they had 37 assists to their 21.You ain't gonna win many games like that.
No, you know what?I got a question.You talk about some of the players that need to take more shots.How do you know when it's okay to take those shots?Do you have the green light from the head coach?
Do you have the green light from the other players to override passing the ball and be have the willingness to shoot?How much he make?
D-Low make about, D-Low make about what, about 17 to 21?Austin Reid make about 15?
Don't ask me nothing about shots.What you talking about shots?Just let it go?
So you can shoot at will based on your salary?Hey, what they gonna say? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
What they gonna say?Hey, look, when they ain't throw you the ball, it was by yourself, it was just man on man, what you was looking, hey, bro, ain't no man over the top, ain't nobody over the top helping, give me the ball.This is the prime time.
So for me, when I look at it, honestly, when I look at guys like D'Lo, Reeves, and you going in that third, fourth option.Rui.Rui, I mean, Rui for sure, I think Rui's a lot, he's underrated for me, because what he does,
is disguised by how good LeBron is.Because when you look at his size, he can guard all positions, he can shoot the ball, he can put the ball on the floor, create a play, he can defend, obviously rebound.
Like, he's in a tough situation because he's playing with a guy like LeBron.So that's the same thing, like, kind of like Jeff Green fell in that era with us when he was a Cleveland.He's in the same similar situation.So, Bron is gonna
They're going to cater to Brian when he's on the floor.So it doesn't really do him justice when they play them together.
You know, a D and LeBron's going to get the love bulk of the shots.You know that now, unless one of you guys are feeling it.We saw early in the season, uh, Austin Reed's feeling it.So he's going to get 15 to 18 shots DLO.He gets hot one night.Okay.
Now that might creep up the 20 shots in a given night, but you know, love Laura, LeBron and AD are going to get the bulk of the shots. But I think a lot of this had to do with because they were getting blowed out switch.
They only played 28, 24, 29, 31 minutes.It's hard to get those kind of shots.And that's fine.That small amount of time.Now they play their normal minutes. Maybe they can get up a few more shots.
But when you turn the ball over, everybody's shots are coming down because you don't even get an opportunity to put the ball up because you've turned it over.And as you mentioned, they had 37 assists.So that's telling me
Great ball movement, it's also telling me y'all turn the ball over, they get some cheap assists off of that.
Oh, 100%.And you look at the rebounds, 37 to 36, the Lakers actually win the rebound game.And they still get smoked.So for me, obviously it's turnovers for sure, because I was a big fan of it, especially in transition.
People hate the transition three early threes.I'm taking the early good look, opposed to me swinging around the horn and we turn this joint over, and now I've got to turn into the track star going on the other end. I'm gonna put this up.
I feel like I got a better percentage of making this opposed to us turning the ball over and then we got to get a stop on the other side.
What about in situations like this, Wish, where guys will try early on trying to say I'm so unselfish and you overpass the ball and you end up turning it over like you said.You're like, okay, I got a good look in transition.
I'm gonna let it rip as opposed to, oh, hot potato, hot potato.Next thing you know, the ball's going out of bounds.You're like, come on, man.Go ahead and take that shot.
Yeah, it's, you know, it's tough when you come into situations like when I first got to Cleveland, we used to run into that a lot because we got Kyrie at the point, me at the two, we got Bron, K-Love, and obviously Tristan setting the screens, and Rose, and Mozzie, but
We look around the horn is like, we got like, listen, I got a good shot, but he got a great shot.So let me kick it to him.And you know, guys just operating so fast.
You want to be unselfish, but at the same time, it's like, if I don't take this shot that he's not going to be open where we need it to be open.
So for me, a lot of those times is like, I want to be unselfish, but at the same time, I got to be selfish for the team because it's going to help us out in the long run.
Switch you watch Ronnie grow up.Spent a lot of years with LeBron in Cleveland and see Bronnie go from a 789 year old to not here.He is in the NBA.What do you what is what is this moment?What do you think this moment means for LeBron?
Oh, man.I mean, I couldn't, I can only imagine, like, to be able to, I just had my first son, he's seven weeks.So, for me, thinking about it, I appreciate y'all, man.Well, you know we saw that, right? I mean, I'm sure you did.
We gonna leave that alone, but I'm just saying, I just want you to know we saw that.
Hey, man.Hey, you know what?
I heard you.I ain't seen you, but I heard you.Okay.There you go.It's too soon.You know what?As a matter of fact, we thought on the same timeline.It's about seven weeks. That's why I left the headlines so quick, because you pushed me out.
You're like, get your ass out of these headlines.
Hey, I got the 72-hour rule, dog.It's over.Straight up.
Yeah, but you were saying this moment for LeBron and even the city of Cleveland to see LeBron come back and bring Junior with it.
Yeah, man.I mean, honestly, Bronny is such a, you know, you hear about so many different kids, so many different situations who were like,
you know, their parents are stars, and they're arrogant, and they're cocky, and they feel like they just, you know, the world is supposed to be their oyster.And Bronny is the complete opposite, man.
It's like, it's a very humbling feeling to see him in the situation he's in.He's very, he's very, um, was very grateful for the opportunity, you know, to live out your dreams as a kid.
That's one of the very, very rare, you know, few things that fortunately us three have been able to do, but like to actually live it out and to have your pops there with you to show you to really show you the ropes.It's very, it's inspiring, man.
Like I really look at it and think of like, this is something I would definitely want to give my kid one day.
If I can give him the keys to, if you can give the keys to the Chevy to your son, like what's different than giving them the keys to the business or giving the keys to the game, like just, and just letting them take it
for, you know, what they want it to be, regardless of the shoes that we feel, because obviously Brian is Brian and goes down the goat and everything else in comparison is going to be there, be there or whatever.
But to actually be able to live out your dream is something that very few people get to do.So I just hope he's he's in a place to where he can actually absorb it and be happy and be satisfied with.
I don't think people understand how dope this situation is, this scenario, as a father, as a father myself, and I'm just imagining being able to play long enough in the NFL, which is hypothetically damn near impossible, and to be able to
play long enough for your son to join you.Just that feeling and knowing all the work, you know, Bronnie and Bron have put in over the years and how it's paid off.
Not only is paid off, but he's now he has the opportunity to share the court and the sport in which they love and have grown up playing all their life and then to share on the same team at that.
That is dope in itself, and I really can't really put it into words how awesome it is.A lot of people have been critical of it, obviously saying, you know, the whole favoritism and he's only there because of his father.Well, hell, goddamn, yeah.
You're supposed to take advantage of those opportunities when you have, you know, the cachet and you have the power that LeBron does to be able to bring your son on with you and allow him to live out a dream, you know, to play at the highest level.
To me, it's unreal, it's dope, it's motivating, it's inspiring, and I just wish I could have done something like that.Obviously I can't, so I'm going to live vicariously through them. And that's pretty much it, man.That's really, really dope, man.
You ain't gonna see that in football, JR, unless somebody have a kid while they're in high school.No, for real.I mean, I got a couple homies right there.I mean, you guys could think about it.Tom Brady played 23 seasons.
His son is probably a sophomore junior in high school. Yeah.So he would have had to had that kid at 15, 16.So therefore, by the time he's 32, Tom got another 11 years.So by the time now, all of a sudden, that's a realistic possibility.
Now, you know, there might be somebody in the plot like, Hmm, I'm going to drop this one right here, you know, because that's what it's going to take coach Joe.You can't, I mean, LeBron had a kid at 20.
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Had a kid at 20.Even if you have a kid at 20 in the NFL, bro, what's the likelihood of you playing another 20 seasons?
Not good.Unless you're a quarterback and you're really, really, really, really, really damn good.
And not your son, because the difference is NFL players don't have the kind of leverage that an NBA player has.Right.Especially a superstar like LeBron, because the positions are so valuable.
So it's gonna, like I said, I think Gordie Howe, I think he might've played with his sons back in the, you know, but the likelihood of you seeing that in the NFL, but it's an unbelievable, I agree with you, Ocho, it is, I mean, if my kids wanted to do this, they could have an opportunity, but if they don't cut it, I'm gonna fire their ass.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, timeout, come on, man, timeout, timeout, timeout, would you fire your kids?Would I?No, like serious, all jokes aside, would you fire your kids?
Yeah. Wait, so would you fire him or like reposition him in a different department?
I would reposition him and get him another job with another company. But I think the thing is, but here's the thing, I wouldn't have to fire my kids because the job that they're gonna do, I know they'll be able to do it.
I'm not gonna ask them to do CJ's job, who's the EP at Club Shea Shea.I'm not gonna ask them to do Ash's job or something like that, an editor or graphics.That's not where they're good at.
I can find a job where they can be good at, but I'm a demanding boss. And they're my kid.Ash, don't do that.But we, I mean, look, I think I owe them that to give them an opportunity if they wanted to do this.But my son didn't want to play football.
He's like, it was too much because he dropped a pass and they tell him, well, your dad would have caught that.I know your uncle would have caught it.Well, you ain't got speed like your dad.He didn't want to hear that.Man, let the man roll.
He 13, he 12, he 11.What you mean?
It's crazy to me because like we, like again, and it happens to us a lot in our community where, you know, we, we throw shade on stuff like that.
But when I really look back at it, look back on it, like my owner in Denver for the Denver Nuggets, like our owner, uh, staying cranky at the time, like he couldn't own a certain amount of sports team.So he gave it to his son.Right.
Josh, Josh run the team, Josh own the team now and everything else.And Stan runs, owns the Rams and it's like, nobody said nothing.Avalanche, like Manchester.He got a hockey, yeah, he got a soccer team.Yeah, like, but nobody said nothing.
Nobody was like, it wasn't like, oh, he gave, like his son doesn't qualify, this or that.It was just like, oh no, hold on.
They've been passing businesses down for hundreds of years, JR. And they don't, and they don't bat an eye.It's us somehow feel that we shouldn't do that.Oh, it's nepotism.That's the whole part of being in position.
So I can do something for, it's the first time that I'm in position that I can actually hire this mofo.That's mine.He gonna get hired.Well, what can he do?Whatever I want, whatever I wanted to do.
If he just come in and just loaf and he don't have to do that till noon, whatever he wants to do or she wants to do, they can do that because guess what? It's my issue.Yeah.
So I've always wanted, I didn't know if I've ever would be in a position to do that, but they, they, Hey, Oh, he's going to take over.Look at, okay.Look at Jerry Jones, his sons, his son and his daughters, Charlie, Jerry, Jerry jr.
And, uh, what's the, what's the other name that looks just like Jerry, Steven, Steven, the Steinbrenner, Hank and how, What do they do besides hit the lottery?Oh, my dad is Mr. George Steinbrenner.
My dad is Jerry Jones, X, Y, and Z. So my kids should have the same thing.They hit the lottery.Last day, their dad is Shannon Sharp.So if my kids want to come, well, my daughter is going to come in January.
I'm telling y'all, my daughter put in her two month notice. She put in a two-month notice.
So she company she gonna be an employee now I don't know if she's gonna relocate cuz she loves the a but uh, yeah, that's the whole point I mean, we shouldn't feel bad Somehow we've been made to feel bad if we help someone a family member or someone in our community.
I ain't feeling bad about ish nothing
nothing so let me ask you this how does that feel being able to like being being a parent and being able to put your your child in a situation to where they can excel not only excel but learn on their own time and like really take it you know take it as far as they want to take it but plus i want to see i want to see jr if
This is something that they want to own.Or am I going to have to get off of it?Because I don't want them to feel obligated because this is daddy's business.They feel this is not their passion.It's just like my son.
My passion was to go play in the NFL.That wasn't his.So I wasn't going to force my passion on him.I still won't force my passion on my kids.Guys, is this something that you want to do?Do you feel you have the wherewithal?
Do you want to put the time, energy, and effort in it to do this? for the next 20, 30 years.And they say, daddy, you know, we appreciate it, but this is not what we, that's not what I want to do.So I don't want them to feel obligated to do it.
But J.R.to answer your question, it feels great.It feels great that I can really help my kids.I can help my family and to give my daughter, my daughter's like, well, daddy, how much I'm going to make?
I was like, well, how much you think you're going to be worth? I said, hey, don't be coming here and talking about no quarter of a million dollars at an entry level job.I said, but I'll make it worth your while.
I want you to feel that you can earn a decent money, you can put some money away, but you don't have to look, because I don't want you crying pole mouth to me talking about, well, daddy, you ain't paying me enough.
So I'm gonna pay you enough where you can earn a decent salary, but you can still live.
Yeah, I read an article on the Minnesota Twins where there was, you know, the family ended up just selling it, but it was like their great-grandfather had passed it down throughout time.
And, you know, the great-grandkids or grandkids, they don't want to run it or run a team, a sports team or whatever, but you just inherited, like, you know, a couple billion.So for me, it's just like, you know, it's all in,
Obviously if they're around it and if they if this is something they graduate to like my son like I want them to like as much as I love football and I grew up playing football.I don't want him to play golf more than I want him to play football.
Absolutely personally like I like that's just something I hope he just graduates to and takes to now that's not necessarily say he does, but just at least give them the tools.
So that's why I look at it like in business when they passing it down to the kids and whatever else is like, it's not only just that business.This is life.They teaching them life skills.Look, this is how you flip something.
This is how you make X, Y, and Z or quantify your dollar 10 X, your dollar by doing X, Y, and regardless if you want to,
sell baseball cards, whether you want to sell seats at arena or whatever you selling wine, whatever it is, but I feel like it's just something that just goes unsold and untold in our, in our, you know, in our culture.
Yeah.Cause I was talking to, I had a conversation with a Mark Cuban and he said, that's one of the reasons that he sold his team.He's like, you know, my kids, Do I want the burden?Do I want to burden them?
If they don't want to do this and just feel out of obligation, they got to run a team.That's what I want to do.I want to own a professional franchise.That's not, maybe that's not what they want to do.
And I don't want to feel like they're obligated to have to do it.Now, you know, Jerry's kid, that's what they want to do.All of them jumped into the family business and long after Jerry's gone, hopefully that's no time soon.
Uh, Steven, Jerry jr and Charlotte, they're going to run it and the grandkids, they're in the business.They're probably going to run it, but everybody doesn't, doesn't look at it like that old show and switch.And they're like, you know what?
And if you don't, if you don't have the passion to do it, Let it go before it starts to dwindle down and not be what your grandfather or your father, your great-great-grandfather passed down to you.Just let it go before it starts to dissipate.
Hey, Cinco, you going to let one of the kids run one of the McDonald's? Yeah.Yeah.It depends that, you know what?McDonald's might not be their passion.My kids are bougie.So I don't think that's something that they would want to do.It's okay.
No, no, no.Work it.I'm saying run it.Just manage it.Make sure the money coming in.
You had a couple of meetings.Just to be honest, they wouldn't even do it.They wouldn't even do it.That's, that's, that's not even a passion of theirs and probably something that they wouldn't even want to do or take the responsibility on.
Yeah. See, that's the thing is the responsibility of every single day.You got, you know, at some point in time, I'm talking to Ash about something.I'm talking to CJ about something. And constantly thinking, okay, how do I get better?
Okay, Ash, what can we do?Okay, what graphics can we run?What segments can we build?Okay, CJ, how do we make club shit?How do we be cutting edge?You know, a couple of situations where we had a performer, somebody that would come in and sing.
And then we have a guest.And so that's, we're always thinking about, but like I said, that's not where my kids are. My kids like, my kids like collecting a check.They like being talent.I'm no, no, there's nothing wrong with that.
Some people like that.No responsibility.I know I'm going to make X, Y, and Z. And then I'm cool with that.I don't know.I might make something one week.I might make something totally different, but I'm willing to bank on me.
A lot of people are not willing to bank on themselves.Some people will work their ass off to make somebody else rich, but won't work their ass off to make themselves rich.Explain that Ocho.
Somebody will go sit their ass on somebody else's job for 20, 30 years and make that person and pay off their Airbnb and their time share and help them get a lot and a loft and a private jet. But you won't do that for you.
Yeah, but you have to understand you think about you have to have a fucking passion for whatever it is that you're doing to actually want to run it.
The discipline to actually want to run it, the discipline to actually want to take on the responsibilities that come with actually owning something.It ain't it ain't easy.It's very hard.You think about all these entrepreneurs on.
All these entrepreneurs have all these great ideas and they always, they always crash out and burn because they expect instant success.Nothing happens overnight.
It's a long, tedious process that many people don't have the discipline for, which is why they go work for somebody else because it's instant check.
But you had the discipline to get your ass up every day for 20 years and 30 years and go on that man job. Yeah.
Discipline is discipline.If you got to get up knowing that I got to be on this man on Mr. Charlie job at 7 38 39 o'clock Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you can't do that for you.
Yeah, but it's also fear.
It's fear of failure, it's fear of accountability on yourself, because at the end of the day, when you like, when you putting, and people don't realize this, like, when you trying to make it, you putting everything into that.Yeah.You got to.
Like, in very, like, you know, we know as, as athletes, cause we put everything into it when we trying to like do, family go by the side, the, the clothes, the women, like everything drop, drop by the wayside.Cause,
This is one goal got to be achieved.And a lot of people don't understand that because they didn't, for one, didn't play team sports.Just a selfish individual.
And just unless I'm like, call it what it is, a lot of negative people out there who negative towards themselves, let alone other people.
So they don't have that belief system in themselves that they can even do it, let alone that somebody else who look like me who live next door that can make it.
Yeah, because a lot of times people will project, well, if I can't do it, I'm going to tell Ocho he can't do it.I'm going to tell Swish that, man, you know goodwill, you can't do that.No, you can't do it.
Don't project on me talking about what I can't do.And then sometimes when you start to have success, sometimes Ocho Swish, the only success people will taste, if they take a bite out of you.
Man, I had a coach in Denver, I don't wanna cut you off, I had a coach in Denver told me I would never be a championship, I would never start on a championship team.
Ain't nobody told you that but old ball head George Carr.
I swear, ain't nobody gonna never start on a championship team.I'm sitting here like, damn, like, am I that selfish?Like, damn, is it always all about me?And I'm sitting here like, looking at the team.Did you send him a picture of your ring?
Man, I should've sent him two, because I got two of them things.I should've sent him two. For real.
But let me ask you a question, JR.When he said that, because think about JR, you playing for this man.How can I go invest, put everything I got into it, get up in the morning and deny my family and be where I'm supposed to be, lift these weights.
And here I got a man that I'm supposed to be playing for.And he's telling me, what I can't do.Yeah.
Hey, before you answer Jay, the whole thought process anyway, even once you get to the highest level, you ain't playing for him.No way.No.
What, what, what, what is that?What is your code?What is, hold on, Mike Zimmer.What if Mike Zimmer and Marvin Lewis telling you, Ocho, we ain't gonna never win with you at start receiver.Hey, but listen, you know what?
I ain't paying that no mind.Who writing that check?What name is on the back of that jersey?That's your football. I'm going to do what I need to do.I am not playing for you.
Well, I'm just saying my, my, my, my mentality on it might be a little different.Yes.George Carl was his coach, but hell I'm playing for that goddamn one.
That money I'm making to keep it coming, because if I don't play up the par the way I should be playing, I'm going to be out the door anyway.
I'm going to want to leave because at the end of the day, you say that I'm not playing, but that's the head coach and I am playing for him because he's coach.So I'm going to want to go play.I want to go play for somebody else.
I want to go for play for somebody that believe that we can win and I'm an asset to that winning.For you to tell me that, look, we're not going to be a championship team because you own it.Because you're starting.
Ocho, they're telling you, man, we can't win no championship with you, Ocho.Not with your selfish ass. Straight up.Remember what Tua said?How Brian Flores told him?Yeah.He ain't playing for Brian Flores, but every day, you suck.I didn't want you.
beat you down.Just like a parent.We've heard stories of parents tell their kid, you never going to mount that.You saw the movie Precious.You saw it every day.You ain't ish.You ain't never be ish.You just like this one.You just like your daddy.
You just like your mama.After a while, it does have an impact on you.It takes a very, very, very few people have been able to overcome that.
to hear that negativity on a daily basis, on a constant, it's like, you know what, I'm gonna be able to push through it.
Because it's just like we said, Ocho, you got 80,000 fans, only 1,000 of them for the opposing team, but you hear those boos, don't you?
A thousand boos can drown out 80,000 applause, cheering.I don't know what it is about the negativity that rings It's so true in our ear and our inner circle.Think about the comments.Ocho, you get 50,000 comments.
And somebody say, oh, peanut head, Ocho.Yo, your mama peanut head.That's just the way we watch. Check this out, Pat Bell said JJ Reddick would have been fired if they started 0-3.
Patrick Beverly said if the Lakers would have started 0-3, everybody would have been yelling, fire JJ Reddick.Now top four seed in the West, marking it now.I don't think they fired him after 0-3.
He got to 0-3.Come on now.They ain't doing that.They ain't doing that. No, I didn't get one.
They gave a five-year deal.
It's funny, because they'll fire a fucking championship coach, and then you go 0-3, 0-4 for sure.Yeah.But if you just signed, nah, they ain't firing you.
Nah, they're going to get, they're going to get, well, hey.Huh?He signed four years.Well, they got Adrian Griffey the ass up out of there after 23 and 9, after 29 and 13.After 42 games, the man 29 and 13, the switch.
Yeah, that's a different situation though.Giannis ain't signed off on that. Yeah.Yannis, Yannis, Yannis had to sign up.
You think they let the man go without Yannis?
Yeah.Yeah.They hired her without Yannis's permission.
He wasn't, he wasn't like, you know what I'm saying?Like nah.Yannis is over there quickly.Nah.
And when I think about it, even if they did start 0-3, hell, start 0-5, 0-6, hell, I think LeBron would have to sign off on him letting JJ Reddick go anyway. No, he ain't, JJ Redick ain't gold.
No, I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, what Pat said, man, that ain't happen regardless.
It gotta go across his desk.I'll tell you that.I'll tell you that.I bet you won't make a move without it going across two, three desks.I bet you that.
Yeah.Yeah, it's, but I like, you know what, Swish?And like I said, I saw the first game, who they played? They played the Suns the second game and they fell down by 22. That was a game last year.They down 22.
The start is going to be out like midway through the third because the game is going to be 42.
And I'm not, it just seems like to me, even though they lost tonight, not withstanding, it seems like there's a lot less looking around, like who's supposed to be where, who's supposed to be doing what.
It seems like there's a lot more accountability and maybe, maybe they just need to hear a new voice in the ear.Sometimes Switch, that's what you need.But it just seems like, The atmosphere, the ambiance around this team is different.
Do you see that as a former NBA player from the outside looking in or are we reading too much into it?
No, you could definitely, I mean, you could definitely tell as a player and as a, I mean, we had the number one team in the East and we fired our head coach and then T. Lou took over and even just the chemistry and like the atmosphere and the vibe just changed.
And I love David Black.David Black was amazing to me.Like, he was one of the few coaches that I had who really gave me an opportunity to go rock.As long as I played defense, he said, you can shoot any shots you want.
You can do whatever crazy play you want, Ward or whatever.But as long as you play defense to lock in, you can do whatever.So I rocked with Black.But when he left, just because of, like, the chemistry around the team wasn't where it needed to be.
And I give, um... David Griffin, a lot of, a lot of credit for this because he's seen that and he made the change right before, like, right, it was right after All-Star, I think.Yeah.
And we was, again, first team in the East, like, but you can tell when something, certain things is off and it's literally, just that fast.It's a switch like that and the vibration is completely different.
Everybody on this, like you're saying, everybody know where they're supposed to be.There's very little confusion.If something does mess up, you know exactly where it was at.
It'd be so crisp to where fans can literally pick it out and they can be right.
I've been, I've been to a lot of, I've been around a lot of fans and they think they know the game and it'd just be like, nah, bro, we was actually in drop coverage and it looked like this, we was stunting.
But when you all are on one court and then that one string is out of place, you know exactly where it was at.So even when you watch film, it's just, it's so easy to where your accountability goes higher as a player because your team, you know,
where you're supposed to be at.
And for a team like that, especially for, for the Lakers, because even when I watched the Minnesota game and I didn't think Minnesota was going to be the same with the trade, but you could see the movement and the cohesiveness of the team.
And, and the, and obviously it's the first game of the season and it's cut and then everybody got energy, but you can tell a team who has Chemistry, and it's a team who doesn't.Like the Knicks, you seen when the Knicks got blown out by Boston.
Now granted, Boston's a championship team and they look really good, but the chemistry is just, people are just in the right spots at the right times on key and on point.
And it's hard to gain that, but with the Lakers, with a guy who's played, a guy who knows the game, I think JJ's gonna be a good situation.The only part for me, what I will say, I kinda got pissed at the hiring situation,
because he's never coached before.And it made Chauncey Billups, who's now a Hall of Famer, go coach for some years before he just gave him a head coaching job.
But from that standpoint, obviously I feel like JJ know the game, great basketball pedigree, but it's just, I think they could be in the run for the West though, honestly.They could be top three teams in the West for sure.
I agree, but they're going to need a consistent look.I already know what I'm going to get from broad.I know what I'm going to get from a D who's going to be our consistent third guy.Is it going to be really, is it going to be AR?
Is it going to be D low?I'm 10.I tend to lean towards AR because I've seen him over the course of last year.He was the most consistent of, of those, of the three.
But when you talk about Rui D low and, and, and AR who you like, who you think is the best third option?
I think, honestly, I think Rui is the best third option.But when you look at, for me, when I look at third option, I don't necessarily look at third option as necessarily a score.I think that a lot of times, even in our rotations, like Double T was,
Easily the fourth I was the fifth option double team was the fourth option of hitting more rows lobs and stuff like that So for me on top of that what he brought on a defensive side So for me, I think Rui could be that glue guy like like an LO was for you know The past Lakers to where he can guard multiple multiple positions.
It's almost like a plus-minus game He's going to me He'll had a higher plus-minus than the majority to do is because when he's out there he's covering so much space Okay.
So you don't look at a guy that necessarily say, okay, the third option, he needs to be a score.The third guy needs to be able to do a lot of different things.Score, rebound, assist, defend.
He gotta be a Swiss Army knife.That's what I feel like a lot of the teams are missing because when you necessarily go to like a quote unquote third option has to be like a six man, like a me, Lou Will, Jamal Crawford.Teams playing around that.
But when you a 6'8", 6'7", can start the offense, can drop, make passes, hit an open shot, get stops, you know, dive on a loose ball, get a couple extra possessions out of their offensive rebound here and there.
That changes the game more than anything.Switch when you when you when you first got to Cleveland, um
What was your, what were your initial thoughts?Obviously you knew LeBron, you had played against LeBron before, you knew what he was.So how did you, how did you find a way to fit in immediately?
Did he say, hey, hey, I'm gonna hit you, you know, did you talk about, I like the pass here, I like the ball there, X, Y, and Z. So how did y'all, how did y'all get that thing together?Because that was a mid-season trade that you guys took off.
Yeah, it was crazy because we got traded.We was in Memphis, me and Shump.I remember like we, Shump was in the locker room.This is the first time he was, he got traded and he was kind of like distraught.
And at first, like it kind of, I'm not gonna lie, it messed me up because Mellow's my dude.Like that's my, like that's my guy.And when the initial happened, I'm like, damn bro, like,
Like, you know, I holla at you like that type of vibes, but then I started thinking about it and I started walking out to the arena and I was pissed.Like, damn, my family was, you know, I'm from New Jersey, everybody with the Knicks.
And I started looking at them like, damn, we just went to Cleveland.
I started thinking like Kyrie, Bron, Kev. Shit, we about to win a chip.
Man, look, I swear, I swear to the right hand to the male, all five of mine, we was sitting in the hotel lobby, it was like the Hilton, right there, right across the street from the arena.
Sitting in the hotel lobby, drinking, we had a private flight to go to Cleveland the next day.
I'm sitting there with Sean, and Sean was over there like, damn, Joe, you got that Chicago talk, damn, Joe, they don't believe in us, Joe, they don't believe in us.I said, Sean, man, listen,
I don't know what you're talking about, bro, but pipe that shit down.We about to go win the chip, man.Straight up.He looked at me like, man, what you saying, Shorty?I said, bro, we about to go win the chip.Just relax.Just be cool.
And just let it happen.Man, we get there.First game, we play in Cleveland.The next game, we go on the road.We play like Golden State, Sacramento, whatever.And Bron comes back like the third game.
The first couple of games, well, him and Kai wasn't back yet when we first get there, but like the fourth, fifth game they get back, we on the road, one night we out drinking and shit, and this chump just grabbed me by my shoulder like, bro, you was right.
We doing this.We doing that.I'm telling you.We outta here, baby.We went from the last place to first place, man.You tripping.Get your act together, bro.Let's go.
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After the unveiling of his own statue, Dwayne Wade didn't shy away from suggesting that current stars deserve to be honored next.Dwayne believes next players to be immortalized with statues, LeBron, Steph, and KD.
When you saw Dwayne's statue, Swish, what was the first thing that went through your mind?Who signed off?
Who signed off on this? Like for real, man, cause we've been seeing Ronaldo.We've been seeing so many different statues and like, I'm at this point, I want to know who's signing off on this.
I don't even disrespect the Cove joint, but like Cove don't even look like Cove to me.I'm sitting here looking at these joints like, man, who's doing these?But I mean, it's a, it's a tremendous honor.
Um, it'd be interesting where they, to see where they put Katie's at, but Yeah, I don't, I don't think it looked like.
Well, he can't be anywhere but, but, but, uh, uh, Golden State or OKC.
No, that's what I'm saying.So it's gotta be Golden State.
Yeah.I don't see it though.
Well damn, where they gonna put the statue at?
I don't think he gets one though, to be honest with you.
No disrespect to him cause he's a hell of a player, but like, you gotta look like, and the same thing that goes for Melo, like you, you look at it like, he played with, he's in Golden State four years?Yes.
How many years has he been in the league?No, he's in there three years.He won the championship twice and then he tore his Achilles and he left.
Three years.How many years has he been in the league?This is what, 16, 17?18 years?Like 18.How could he get a statue in three years? They better put a Scottie Pippen statue out there in Chicago.I know that, if they're going to do that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Hey, matter of fact, speaking of Scottie Pippen, I'm glad you mentioned that.
I mean, he's not underrated, but I'm thinking, you know, I want to ask you, who are some underrated players that you think don't get the credit they deserve, but should actually have a statue based on their contribution?
Brandon Roy, for sure.I think, yeah.
TMAC and in Houston, that's a good one.That's a good one.That's a Mac gotta have one AI or AI got one Well, y'all is gonna have one in Milwaukee Yeah, he fish.Well, if he got one then they need to put one for my man Kareem to what?Yeah, I mean
But Kareem ain't underrated, though.He's not underrated, but he should have a statue.
He got three MVPs and went to two finals and won finals MVP.I mean, he's the most winningest player of all time.
Yeah, ain't nobody close to that.Ain't nobody gonna ever do what he did.Lost two games in high school, one game in college.I mean, ain't nobody winning like that no more.Went to 10 NBA finals, six MVPs, six chips.Nobody winning like Kareem.
I would like to see a PE statue in New York, honestly. Patrick Young.You think?Yeah.Okay.Yeah.Big Pat.
Oh, by the way, if we're going to say, uh, my bad, my business is totally disrespectful and I'm so sorry.I'll take my, take my hat off.If we're going to give him a TMAC one, we got to give a keen one.
Oh yeah, Elijah got to get a statue.If you're gonna get one at Houston, oh hell yeah.
My bad, my bad.NH2, my bad.My bad, Dream, that was on me.Timmy D gotta have one.
Oh yeah, well absolutely.Wait, who?
Oh, oh, okay, okay.Tim Duncan, KG, that's Givens.I think Chauncey gets one in Detroit.
You gonna put, where you putting KG at?In Minnesota?
Minnesota, for sure. I don't consider, I mean, he won a championship in Boston.I don't consider KG a Celtic.No disrespect, I don't consider him a Celtic though.When I played against the Minnesota ticket, that was in 2004, oh my God.
I've never been intimidated of another man on the court until I played against him, bro.I was just literally like, yo, is he always like this?Is he really?And I had a teammate, Lee Naylon, man.My man Lee, real deal.
He was like, man, that's fake, man.He ain't doing none of that.And I'm literally like, see him get into it?And did I see how Lee did it?I was like, okay, okay, okay. I see what's going on, okay, I see.You had me though, you had me fooled.
You had me fooled, for sure.I was buying them Wolf tickets, for sure.
Yeah, but y'all, I mean, now you can't fight like that.They used to fight in the NBA before you got there, Swish, back in the 80s.
No, when I was there, they fought, man.Rodney Rodgers swung on me a couple times in practice, bro, I was dodging him, it's just like a major.No, I'm talking about in the game.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, they don't fight in practice no more like they used to, Switch?
No, no way.No way.They not fighting like nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.Bro, no lie, when I came into training camp, my rookie year, I seen like four fights the first week and I was just like, these grown men, I'm 18.
These 34, 35, 36 years old throwing haymakers, like real live throwing them.I'm sitting there like, what the fuck is going on?It was either by money or women.
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I say, I say that because, I mean, I say, and I sound, I sound like one of them hating ass dudes, but like in 04, 06, 07, like bro, do you, like, this is like back in the day where like niggas was really knocking your shoulder off.
Like forearm shiver, you walk across that lane.Like I played against Oak. Like, you run across the lane and you just like, on some lollygagging, cutting through, you get your teeth knocked out.
Like, oh, no, I'm just... But Oak was about that for real, though, Swish.Oak was like that for real, though.No, he's to this day, not was, to this day.Yeah.Yeah, I know Oak 30 years.
Oak and I used to hang.So I know Oak, he about that.
For real, right now.I was mad.Oak is... I was in the Bahamas with Oak right now.I'm like, man, chill. Like, bro, like...
He killed a little bit.I tried to, and look, I was like, oh, come on now.You and I both, we done got old now.Somebody had their way with us now.They should have got us when we was back 20 years ago.
Then we could have held our own against two or three of them.But not now.
Man, shit, I'm taking y'all two against three, four.All he needed was you and the guard, I'm telling you.
Y'all would have cleared the house.Yeah, I wouldn't let him jam a boy up like that now.Come on now. Just ask him to leave.Y'all ain't gotta have like six cell phones.
Yeah, I ain't gotta grab my pad up there like that.
You don't like people touching you.Come on.No, hell no.And don't walk up behind him because he gonna swing on me.No, for real.I'm surprised he didn't swing on him.But if he hadn't been in the guard, he would have.No, 100%. 100%.
Joe Missoula made an appearance on a Boston radio and was asked what he would change about the NBA.
Missoula elaborated on why the NBA should institute power plays after fouls, forcing the offending team to play a man down for the length of the time as in hockey.Or he also wants to bring back fighting.
The biggest thing that we robbed people of his entertainment standpoint is that you can't fight anymore. I wish we bring back fighting.What's a little entertaining?What's more entertaining than a little scuffle?
How come in baseball they're allowed to clear the benches?How come in hockey they're allowed to fight?I don't understand.
I just don't get why some sports are allowed to clear the benches, have bats and weapons in the base at baseball, but we don't have, we don't have a ball.The other sport hockey is one of the hardest playing services, the puck and the stick.
And you know, yet you're not allowed to throw down, throw down a little bit. Come on, Joe.
I like, you don't like it?I like it.Yeah, because he a coach.Make basketball great again.Nah, I want to see the coaches.Hey, you listen, you'll think twice before you're coming through the lane trying to be all pretty.
Nah, make it like, you know what, a switch like in hockey, like the goalies go bump, okay, coaches, y'all got to bump too. Let's see how he like that.Since he like fighting, let's see if he really like the pump.
Yeah, oh, for sure.For sure.I want to see it.That's my only thing, man.You talking about it.You better be about that action.Somebody over there getting lumped up and your star player over there sitting over there with a swollen line.
He can't play the second half.
until somebody put a patch over Jason Tatum out, Jalen Brown out, and say close for the weekend, and now you talk about, well, you see what happened?What happened?You say you wanted to see fighting.
Yeah, as long as it's the 12th or 13th guy getting lumped out, but what if it's one of your first five?
Right.What if I put it in one of those hitters who just, that's what his plan is?Yeah.He gonna come here and set a wicket screen.Yeah, he get a big perk out there.Set one of them wicket screens, then you try to run up on him.What you gonna do?
Cause you know, in hockey, they had enforcers.All they do is, they looking for some stuff to pop up.They set the tone.You hit, you hit Messi, or you hit Gretzky, or you hit Lemieux, or you had to deal with the enforcer.
So imagine somebody rough house, but see, hold on, I'm trying to think out, you got somebody, cause somebody cheat shot at LeBron, and you, who'd you catch with? I bet you got it good too, I bet you.
Crowder.Jay.Yeah. Yeah, that's my dog, too.
You got suspended, though, for that, though.
Yeah, I got suspended.I got suspended for a few of them.I don't like that shit, dog.Like, for real, like, especially if you were on my team, that's probably my biggest fault.Like, I'm guilty.
I'm, like, I'm loyal to the fault, because, like, regardless if you would do it for me, I just do.That's just the way I move.If I'm with you and some shit go down, I'm riding with you all the way.Yeah.
You cheap shot my man, I'm not going to cheap shot you.I'm going to get you while you looking. And then if you want to do something after that, then we can do that too.But all that, you're not getting over on nobody I'm with.I'm not with that.
I'm CJR, that's what I'm saying.
Oh, you cheap shot my quarterback?Oh, I see.Hey man, such and such.Who?Okay, don't worry about it.We're gonna get him.We might not get him now, but we're gonna get him later.We're gonna get him.And I'm gonna make it look like a play.
See, I ain't gonna look at it like a play.No, no, no, no, no.You ain't have no problem cheap shot my guy.Now you got a problem?Mm-mm.Mm-mm.Mm-mm.No, you nothing to get my guy to think you gonna walk your ass up out of here just free.Oh, no.
See, for me, I want to make it blatant.I want to make it look disrespectful, because it is.Like, I want you to jump back, because that's what it's on.If you not on that, then don't start that. Yeah, I mean, I feel you.I lost a lot of bread.
I ain't gonna lie.I gotta make it look like a, I gotta make it look like a, what you call it?I gotta make it look like a plate.
I ain't gonna lie, I lost a lot of bread.Get suspended all these dudes, man.Jason Terry, Jay, I got a couple of them. But it was worth, a few of them was worth it though, I ain't gonna lie.
Like, again, if you playing dirty, then that's the type of game you play, then that's what you're gonna get.Yeah.
G.G.Jackson say players around the league have told him to stop meat riding after he claimed Victor Wiminyama would end up as the GOAT.
I'm looking 10, 12 years from now when he's got an extra 30 pounds and a nice goatee with a mustache, I think Wimby will be the GOAT.
What?Extra 30 pounds? He can't put no 30 pounds on that frame.I think he's going to be good.He's going to be very, very good at what he does.I mean, but he's not going to be LeBron.He's not going to be Michael Jordan.
You know, he's going to be up there, you know, in the top tier, but not the elite of the elite.
What do you think, Swish?You like what you see?I mean, a 7'4 guy, 7'4.5, however tall he is, I mean, he's towering over Rudy Gobert.They say Rudy Gobert is 7'1.So he's at least 7'3.5, 7'4.I'm going to say 7'4.Hell, he might be even 7'5.
But we've never seen a guy his height. be this athletic.Normally, they're cumbersome guys.We see Manute Bowe, we see Morrison, we see Bradley, you know, but normally guys that height, they can't move like him.We see, what's the guy?Bowe Bowe.
Bowe Bowe can move pretty good.What's the other guy? Boban, we see Boban, we see how clump, how cumbersome he moves, but Wimby is fluid for a man his size.He's athletic, he's rangy, he can go up and down the court.
Now, Manute Ball can shoot three, but his ability to put the ball on the floor, we've never seen a man that size be able to put the ball on the floor and be able to do what he can do.
Yeah, like I'm, I like watching him play, honestly.
I'm happy he actually got a point guard like CP to actually teach him, you know, how to be in certain areas and certain positions at the right time because he has a game to where it's very easily he could, I think, especially in today's game, 35 to 38 a game is very obtainable for him.
Hold on, average 35 to 38 points?Yeah.
Damn.He's very, I mean, he has the fluidity.He has the fluidity offensively.So even in double teams, like he could literally shoot over Rudy Gilbert, which is one of the tallest players in the league, and another dude coming over to double.
If he can get his game to be somewhere to be as efficient as a KD, smaller level, let's say Chet, He could be very, very dangerous.Very dangerous.And he's like, he has a demeanor, almost like a Giannis, where he wants it.
You can see he wants to get better.He's consistent.You know what I'm saying?
I agree.I mean, I like the young man.He'll block shot.And I think the thing is the biggest thing, if you're a shot blocker, you can't be afraid to get dunked on.Because if you're afraid to get dunked on, you can't be a great shot blocker.
Because it's gonna happen. I don't care, all the great shot blockers, you look at all the great shot blockers, be it from Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Artis Gilmore, Marvin Webster, you look at any great shot blocker.He done got poked on.Oh, hell yeah!
Everybody got it.Yes!Dr. Chanley used to tell me, he's like, hey man, they may get me, but I bet you I get them more than they get me.Right.Yeah, absolutely.
It's just like a DB.Somebody gonna get you, get a touchdown on you.Sometimes even a routine guy is going to make an acrobatic catch.You're like, hold on, bro.I just saw you shut down Megatron.How you let this dude get one on you?Oh, they get you.
Oh, they go catch you.Rest his soul, Dikembe.Think about how many times you don't see Dikembe on somebody highlight reel.
Man, he split my shit, dog.He caught you with the elbow?He just split my shit, man.I was in stitches they gave me.I went in the back.I don't like needles, man.They gave me a needle about this long in my eye, dog, like right under my eye socket.
Man, I thought I was about to die.
Yeah, them sharp-ass elbows.Dikembe had them sharp elbows.LeBron said he broke LeBron's nose.
Yeah.The beat caught a lot of people, though.Yeah.Straight up.And I don't want you to think it wasn't intentional either.I love God rest his soul.
That's my man.He tell you like, no, no, you get in my way.I get it.Yo, bruh, it was crazy.
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