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Well, top of the morning to you today.I've got fluff in studio.And as promised yesterday, we have letters to America part two with Eric Metaxas.He's being interviewed by Joni Lamb at Daystar TV.An awesome, awesome network.So here we go.
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Well, it seems no matter where we turn, there are more and more issues facing the church today, but largely the church has remained silent.And as we learned yesterday, a silent church paves the way for evil to triumph.
Well, Eric, I want to jump right back in where we left off yesterday.We recently had Ryan Bomberger at the table talking about the importance of the church and standing up for truth.
And he is an incredibly talented young man that was actually conceived in rape. but allowed to live.And he's spoken at Princeton, at Harvard, but get this, at Wheaton College.
He spoke pro-life message and did great and had questions, but the next day they canceled him.They sent a memo out because they're supporting BLM and the woke mentality.
Listen, I have had Ryan on my radio program, but I'm glad you brought this up.
The Christian leaders, okay, many Christian leaders, I won't name many of them by name, I name a couple in the book, but these elite institutions, what could be worse than the fact that they would not get this?
That Wheaton, Christianity Today, Christianity Today is in the tank.
That's called like evangelicals, right?
They used to be straight up, but the thing is, times have changed, and they're sticking with an old script, right?
They're sticking with a script that, you know, it made sense 30 or 40 years ago, but they are now in bed with the cultural Marxist left.They want their elite friends to approve of them and to say, well, you're not like those Christians.
And I think that this has always been a temptation.And you get a mixture, but the worst are those that are worried about, well, what would my friend at the New York Times think?Or what would so-and-so think?
And I thought to myself, wow, you don't know that you're in a war.God is gonna judge you for how you behave right now.This is not like practice.This is not something in the future.This is now.And so I say to parents, understand
that if your kid is in a public school or if your kid is in a Christian college, they're getting this garbage shoved down their throats.It is unconscionable.
But if you let it continue, if you don't speak up, if you don't raise holy heck over this evil, you are part of the problem.And we have a lot of people, I mean, I get it where people say, well, I want my kid to go to Yale or Harvard.
And I think to myself, do you understand what you're sending them to?These are your priorities.You're blind.They're not going to be able to do much.
So you said we're in a war.So let me ask you this.How would Jesus fight this war?Because let's be honest, there's two definitions now of Christianity.Anyone can say they're a Christian.My question is, are you a Christ follower?
Are you a Jesus follower?Would you behave the way Jesus would behave?And so people think they get stuck right here in the middle of, well, I don't wanna cause any rifts.I don't wanna, I'm just gonna wait.
And when I started listening to your book about how you were talking about how the German Christians, you had two different sides. One that said, oh no, when they came to the door knocking to see, are you hiding any Jews in your basement?
You had two types of Christians, didn't you?And so you had one that said, well, I don't want to lie.Yeah, they're here.And they gave them up.And then you had some that fought like Jesus would fought, just like Rahab.
Yeah, that's why I put that stuff in the book, so people can have biblical understanding of what it is to be a Christian.
Because I think a lot of people, and again, it's so easy, especially in a culture like Germany at the time, especially in America today, where people somehow think, I can take the safe religious path, right?Jesus did not take the safe religious path.
And Jesus is not just some character from scripture.He's God.He's the Messiah.We worship him.
So when he flipped over tables in the temple, and when he called the Pharisees, you are of your father, the devil, you think to yourself, well, that's harsh.If he was a Christian, he wouldn't have said that. Yeah, it was Jesus, right?
So the point is that we have innumerable people today taking this tack.Look, they're wrong.Some of them are, you know, wicked.Some of them want power.Some of them are just genuinely confused.Maybe they're listening to those other voices.
And the reason I wrote this book, Letter to the American Church, is to say that you need to be disabused of the idea that that's God's path.
And I talk about the parable of the talents, where, you know, you can see what somebody's made of by how they act in a certain situation.And there are a lot of people that, they don't really like God.
They think like, I've just gotta, I've just gotta please God by don't do this, don't do this, don't do this, and do this, and I'm good.But don't bother me, God, I don't really like you.If you love God,
You don't have that attitude and and you know when when when the talents when the one that took the five talents and did Wanted to bless his master, right?We're supposed to want to bless God.
Yeah, we're supposed to do whatever we can so if the Jews are being persecuted and the Gestapo comes to the door, which I write about in the book
The person who doesn't care about the Jew and doesn't particularly care about God just says, well, what can I do so that I might not get in trouble?Like if I lie, maybe I'll get in trouble.So I'll just tell the truth.
Take the Jew, torture and kill the Jew.But I'm justified before God.That's the mad theology that some people have.But there are tons of Christians today who have this kind of safe, nice guy theology.They don't have the warrior spirit.
They don't understand that God calls us to war against evil. and that He loves us.And by the way, when we do that, we bless people.This is to bless people.
This is for the souls and the lives of so many people that are suffering because of the silence of the church.
Yeah, it's like, you know, we're going to have Walter Howell back on with us, who was a man that was an engineer that thought he was maybe supposed to be a woman, had the surgery years ago.But actually,
got into a church, had a miraculous encounter with the Lord, now he's a man again.
And just to hear the truth of the story and the deception surrounding it, you know, that part of the church you're talking about that, you know, let's just make everybody happy, don't say anything.
They don't understand that what he went through is something people need to hear that maybe are thinking about doing this and would hear the truth and say, you know what?That is a lie.And this guy has been through it.
And I'm not going to make the decision based on what I'm hearing, because I know this is truth.And that's what people are watching right now. you can discern whether something is truth or not.And the presence of God is in this studio.
I feel the presence of God as we talk about all this stuff because the Lord wants you to know the truth.
Susie, I know you've been kind of quiet, but I know this kind of stirs things in your heart as we're talking about all this stuff because we kind of see around us the Christians like what he's talking about.
don't have clarity or they're deceived or they're not willing to speak up.
Absolutely.You know, it's funny you said we'll be judged on the things we spoke up about because I have friends, you know, like even my kids' parents that they go to school with that I know that I am offending them when I post on my Instagram.
I know I offend people all the time, but it's what I feel like God wants me to say.
And if we would have a whole generation or if all of us would not worry about who thinks what of what I say, but God is pleased and I can make God smile, I mean, the church would change drastically.The church wouldn't look the same.
Were you shocked by the Christian response to the overturning of Roe v. Wade?
Well, of course.It made me think of, you know, David dancing before the Ark and Michael being, like, offended, right?And you're like, well, there's a time to dance and to rejoice, right?
But this is something that I, again, I think we have to, you know, there's so much here.There's so many issues.When you talk about the transgender thing, okay,
If you love these young people that are being deceived and confused, you will speak the truth.If you don't care about these young people, if you do not love them whom the Lord loves, you'll just say, well, I don't need to say anything.
The Lord commands us to speak this truth because they're not hearing it from the world.There are young men confused about their sexuality.If they don't hear the truth about who they are in Jesus from the church, they are going to suffer.
The church has become so much like the world in so many ways that we're just, we're timid, whatever.
And I really believe the Lord has allowed these horrible things to happen in the last few years as a mercy to wake up the church, as a mercy to wake up the church.
And I also believe that ironically, you have a lot of pastors that are like worried, like I might lose people in my congregation if I bring this up.The irony is that
We have tons of people in America right now who would not say, I'm a born-again believer, but they're looking around and they're thinking, things are insane.Does anybody see what I see?
If the church will say, yes, I see what you see, I affirm what you see, and by the way, we are going to fight for what is right and true, just as we would against the slave trade, just as we would against the Nazis, with no fear, join us.
Tons of people are coming to faith in those kinds of churches.
Yes, you know, you mentioned, I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I'm like him, I just do it.The thing about having your own network is that you can just, you can speak the truth.Now, who knows?
I mean, but as long as the Lord allows us this opportunity, this platform to the world, we'll continue to do so.You know that, those of you that watch.But I mean, we've had Dr. Phil right here in the studio.
I've interviewed him several times and he has, at least represented to me a relationship with the Lord.But he is one of those Christians, like what you're talking about, that he is in the world, so he has to be careful what he says.
And so here's a little clip I wanna show you.Lila Rose, I love her.She's been here, one of the greatest voices in the pro-life movement.So articulate, beautiful, I mean, just represents the Lord so well.
Here's a perfect example of what Eric's talking about.
There's no consensus among the scientific community.
There is, Dr. Phil.96% of scientists say that life begins at fertilization.If you're an in vitro specialist, you're looking to create a single cell embryo and then you know you have a new human life.So it is a scientific fact.
When do you say human life begins then?
Well, it doesn't matter what I think.I don't care what I think.What I'm saying is the scientific community does not have a consensus about when life begins.
It's simply inaccurate.It's simply inaccurate.
You can go to the body of- A single cell embryo is a unique new human life.
You can go to the body of scientific literature and you can find neuroscientists who say that it begins when there is a detectable brain wave.
But Dr. Phil, in an abortion, if it's not a human life, why do you have to kill it?
I haven't spoken over you, and you keep speaking over me, and I assume that's because you don't want me to finish my thought, which is,
If anyone here wants to fact check me instead of speak over me, you can go to the scientific literature and query what the definition is of the beginning of life and you will find that there are different definitions.
And it's up to you to decide what you think.
Listen, I'm sorry to say, but you have to call a spade a spade.When you use sophistry, it's evil.He says the scientific community.The scientific community and the medical community, okay, they don't want to speak truth.
So if they can say, well, look, there's no consensus, of course they're going to say that. It is, first of all, it's nonsense, but the idea, it's more upsetting to me that he would claim to have some kind of faith commitment.
Listen, I said this in 2012, I spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama sitting right here, Vice President Biden is sitting here, and Nancy Pelosi, and I spoke this morning,
that day because I thought to myself, we need to speak the truth about when someone says, I'm a Christian, we need to know, it's basically meaningless.
The Lord, you know what, this book is titled, Letter to the American Church, I almost titled it, Faith Without Works is Dead.Because when you claim to have this belief or whatever, You think you're fooling God when you say you believe?
What do you believe?Well, go to my church website and there's a statement of faith, I believe that, okay?That's a fig leaf.If you believe it, you will live it.And if you do not live it,
You clearly don't believe it, so you don't even have a saving faith.Think about how scary that is.These people say, it's about faith, I'm saved by faith.
The Lord says over and over, and I mention in this book, that your faith has to be real, and the fruit of your faith will be the courage to speak the truth when others are silent, because you have real faith.
And we have to be very clear that we're living in a day and age when if you are not living your faith, the Lord is going to judge us.
Now, you mentioned those 18,000 pastors in Germany.Of course, we're talking with Eric about his book, Letter to the American Church.He compares what happened in Germany as to what's happening in America right now.
But you talked about there were 18,000 pastors.
Well, there were 3,000 that were apostate.There were 3,000 that were standing firm for the Lord.And there were 12,000 in the middle.In the middle, okay.
That's it.Well, I want to show you part of the apostate right now.
Oh Lord, how long will women and girls be viewed as second class citizens?Giver of choice.You have created us in your image and given us agency over our own bodies.
We pray for all who partner with those in need of reproductive health care.We pray for the loss of life yet to come from forced childbirth and illegal abortion.We pray for those who are not of the same mind regarding reproductive rights.
Oh Lord, how long will women and girls be viewed as second class citizens?How long before women and girls will be able to make decisions for their own health and wellness?
Dare I say, if men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be a topic.All the guys, let's all set appointments to get vasectomies.
And while some view abortions as babies being killed, as I once did before praying for a deeper understanding, laws that restrict and take away freedoms are never on the side of Jesus and a God of justice.
As we continue in this time of gathering and lament, Reproductive justice is what we cry out to the God of all for.We will continue to be doing this work of reproductive justice.
Reproductive justice is what we seek, is what we pray for, is what we work for.
But if I could rock your theological noodle, I submit to you that my Bible teaches me that God is pro-choice also.
And some people will say, well, Bishop, you're a man of God.Are you pro abortion?I am pro human and civil rights.
Old Testament says I have set before you life and death.Therefore, I'm not going to legislate the answer for you.
This is not just about reproductive rights.This is about voting rights.It's about civil rights.It's about human rights. This is just the beginning of a demonic agenda and the church has to get in the gap.
Wow, what do you say about those leaders?
Just listening to that is so painful because we have to understand, and this is part of understanding evil.Evil is extraordinarily deceptive.Notice how they weave in scripture and they confuse and whatever.All you can say is,
Ladies and gentlemen, God is going to judge you.You have no out.He's going to judge you for doing what is right and true.
And if you want to play games like, well, there's no consensus like Dr. Phil, you want to play games like, well, I know people who have a different view.You can play those games all day long, but you can't play them with the Lord.
The Lord died for you. He died for you so that you would die to self and live for him.And in this day and age, that looks to me like not being afraid of what people think, but doing what you know is the right thing.And I think that
Christians have gotten confused into thinking that it's not about what I do, it's what I believe.That's not biblical.That is not biblical.The Bible says that if you believe something, you will live it out.I will see the fruit.
Faith without works is dead.That's put in the scripture so we can make no mistake that if it's just about, well, I believe those verses, I believe it.God knows whether you believe them.
because he sees your heart and he sees your life, and the enemy sees it, and your friends see it, and your enemies see it.Everybody sees it, and you're deceiving yourself.
Yeah, for sure, April.I just think that we gotta stand up.I mean, that was the church standing up, but the wrong side.You know, we just gotta stand up. Those kind of clips just put a fire under me.
Well, don't you find it funny, though?But they're not being accused of being political.
It's only when you say what the Scripture says that some Christians will say, well, but you're being political.
Well, you're playing games.
I say this a lot, but I guess I'm just, like, naive because I didn't realize, like, abortion was a controversial subject. for the church.And I was shocked at the response.
What would you say to people, especially Christians, who don't want to talk about it because they don't want to offend somebody who possibly have maybe had an abortion?
Would you offend somebody who's pro-slavery?How about somebody who hates blacks?Would you offend them by saying, that's wrong? At what point will you open your mouth and say, I'm sorry, but that is not right.
And when you say you didn't think it was controversial among Christians, you know, among actual Christians, it's really not controversial.But there are a lot of people playing church and playing games.I mean, many of them, they're not born again.
They're just social activists in some kind of a church setting.But the fact of the matter is that There are millions of offensive things.
In Wilberforce's day, there were tons of people making money off the slave trade, thinking blacks are inferior, and if you spoke the truth of God, you would offend those people. That's your job.
It was spoken about at our church.And all that was said is that we're celebrating the head of the giant, you know, that was cut off, you know, with the overturning of Reverse's weight.And people walked out.
And booed.What's funny is the scripture says, choose life so that you and your descendants might live.I mean, the enemy is trying to take away our seed.He's trying to take away our legacy.And we just got to wake up.We got to fight for our legacy.
Yeah, we have the choice that, like the pastor said, we can choose life or death.And then he stopped.But the rest of the scripture says... But think how funny this is.
He was literally saying, who's to say which is better, life or death?Like that was his, he wasn't literally saying it, but he was effectively saying, like, hey, God says choose life or death.So it's a smorgasbord, whatever you want to choose.
And the Lord clearly says, I am the way, the truth and the life.
Exactly.You know, and I do want to answer Rachel because every time we say abortion or women who've had abortions, you always, you know, my heart concerning that and that.
If you've had an abortion, God loves you, and He will forgive you, and all you have to do is ask.And I interviewed a nurse years ago who was, she worked in intensive care with premature babies, and she was from London, and her name was Elizabeth.
And she had two abortions, like between the ages of 20 and 30.And in her 30s, she was born again.And she had tremendous guilt and condemnation over the decision that she had made, even though she had asked the Lord to forgive her.
And she was living right.There are a lot of women watching that can relate to what I'm talking about. She said that one night she went to bed and she had the most incredible dream.She said, it was just as real as you looking at me right now.
She said, there was a beautiful green like field.There were these children that were running towards me in the field and it was just a color green I'd never seen before.They were calling my name, Liz, Liz, running, jumping, tumbling, laughing.
And she said, I don't know how I knew, but I knew that these were children that I had cared for. in intensive care that had died.She said, I don't know how I knew, but I knew that.
And then she said, I looked up and there were two boys standing at the top of the hill looking at me like, can I come?And she said, I knew those were the two that I had aborted.And they ran into my arms and I gave them a name.
And see, that's the thing, Eric, like we were talking about when you wanna tell people the truth, when you see these angry protests of women with the distorted, demonic faces saying that abortion is okay and even having blood on their clothes and holding up babies that are headless and all the crazy stuff we've seen, what they don't take into account is that those women, for the next five, 10, 15, 20 years, will suffer mental and emotionally
That they never address that.They never talk about that.So you say, why do you talk about that?
Because I don't want you to go through that.And if you have had an abortion, just like Liz, you can ask the Lord to come into your heart to forgive you.He will do that.And guess what?You will see those children again.
I always tell women, hey, just tell Jesus to tell that child that you're sorry. And you'll be surprised.Many of them will tell me later that the Lord came back and told them whether it was a boy or girl, and they even gave a name.
So yeah, you say, oh, well, you're telling the truth, but hey, it's the truth and love together.And that's what we do here.And that's what we want to come across more than anything else.So again, if you had an abortion, we love you.God loves you.
And guess what?He will forgive you for that.
I want to be clear, I have a child in heaven because when I was a young man, before I accepted Jesus, I participated in the choice to end a human life.And when I became a believer, I immediately understood what I had done.
And so, you know, you spend the rest of your life repenting, but the Lord wants us to know the truth.He wants to give us forgiveness.
In my book, Miracles, I talk about a friend who had an experience almost exactly like the one you described, where the Lord took her into a vision and showed her the child.And it was an amazing healing.The Lord wants to bring healing.
And you know what?A lot of these men and women that we've seen spouting nonsense and lies, some of them will come to their senses at some point, and will understand that they participated in these lies, just as I know that I did, you know?
So many of us have been taken by the Lord from darkness to light, and so we have to have hope for those that are still stuck in the darkness.
It's the truth, Rach.Yeah, I know that I've definitely been encouraged and inspired to be bolder.I don't know if we can be any more bold.But is there hope?Is there hope for the future?
Oh, absolutely.Listen, this is what's so funny.The Lord calls us to hope even when there's no hope. Even when we lose, we win.The God that we worship is so glorious that no matter what happens, Bonhoeffer went to his death.But here's a little secret.
Bonhoeffer knew Jesus defeated death.So even when you kill me, you don't kill me.Our job is just to trust the Lord and to fight for what is right and true.Trust Him with the results.I believe He will give us victory in the natural.
I believe that He is waking up His church.But I believe that Everyone has to do their part.We can't just say, well, what's going to happen?Tell me what's going to happen.What's going to happen is determined by what you do.
And so when people say like, do you have hope?It's like, I only have hope because I am determined to do what is right fearlessly before God.That's the only reason that I have hope.And I want to encourage others to do the same.
I think there's gonna come a time really where we have to decide, what are we gonna do?Are we gonna stand on the side of truth?Are we gonna stand in the middle?Are we gonna stand over here with people who are completely deceived?
Well, we are out of time, and I want you to remember that Jesus always spoke truth, even when it was inconvenient for the religious leaders of the day, and God is calling the church to stand for the biblical principles that are laid out in the Bible that we say we believe.
The body of Christ cannot sit on the sidelines.Now is the time. to stand and raise your voice.Now is the time to make sure that you get out and that you look at the platforms, especially here in America, and that you vote.
And those of you around the world that watch Daystar, same thing.God is calling you to stand.He has allowed you this opportunity to live in this time and all of eternity.Can He trust you with the fact that He's allowing you to live right now?
That's the question I wanna ask you.That's the question we'll be asked one day.
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