Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.I gotta tell you, Clay, I almost said of Trump and Kamala kicks off right now.Because that's what's top of mind.We're in the midst of the absolute peak of the election cycle.
And I just ran up a flight of stairs at light speed because I realized that we were in a commercial break that was coming to an end.So let me say this as I am catching my breath here, Clay.
some of the things that we are seeing from the kamala campaign you would absolutely expect which would be the phrases about how she's going to help the middle class and all that stuff about how she hates on trump one area where i think she has particular weakness is on the economy because i view it as such kamala has been the vice president for four years
she has been part of an administration that has been the steward of the economy now if we're gonna play the game that they always do which is it was obama's economy when it's good uh... it's trumps economy when it's bad or you know whatever that they like to pretend that you can actually ascribe any economic good things were bad things to any individual administration that's nonsense
that I think is just an indicator of how much the Kamala Biden economy has been an absolute mess.So when Bill Clinton is up there in Muskegon?Is that right?How do you do it?
I think that's right.Yeah, in Michigan, right?
Muskegon?Yeah, Muskegon Heights, Michigan.I just don't want to offend the good people of Muskegon Heights by saying it wrong.Muskegon Heights, Michigan.
Bill Clinton's like, well, yeah, I mean, the economy was better under Donald Trump, but... This is 18.Play it.
I don't think it's right to say that people have to vote for Donald Trump because the economy was better there.I don't believe that.
not a good enough reason apparently uh... devote because the economy was better you know they've they've put out all of these different democrats they wish they didn't have to have the current occupant of the white house joe biden as somebody who is a surrogate for com out there but they do play on the economic issue you i saw the governor of new jersey and i'll grab some of this audio for everybody in a back-and-forth
with one of the guys on the Squawk Box CNBC show, I forget his name, but Kernan, I think his name is Kernan, and he asked the governor of New Jersey, he goes, hey, what is the Kamala economic policy that you like?
Not Donald Trump is Hitler, not, you know, this is our democracy.These are meaningless phrases, okay?
And just to be clear, as they're lecturing us about fascism and autocracy, every autocracy, every fascist, there's a reason they call it the People's Republic of China.
There's a reason why they call it the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, right?They try to take the language
of democracy human rights dignity et cetera and use it for the worst regimes possible using the words means absolutely nothing in fact it's often a tell the people who are like we're all about democracy every dictator says that they're about the people always but clay when he tries to get some push or when he tries to push uh... the governor jersey phil murphy was a big democrat
what it was also a wall street guy that's the whole point right he's a former was it was in the uh... senior guy goldman sachs he's trying to push him on what the best kamala policy is he can't think of one and every economic policy that there's any discussion of from kamala harris right whether it's taxing unrealized gains
what is what is fair taxation this day she's got away with an entire campaign of saying we're gonna be a make people pay their fair share which is an obama is in by the way obama used to say that you means nothing
right i mean this is this is very much a time when i think people could go back and read orwell's animal farm and they will understand the slogans all of course meant to be it's a really biting satire of the soviets saying things like pay your fair share what is that it means nothing it's it's whatever you say it is and i just think that people are recognizing the kamala campaign has no economic policy that they're willing to say out loud
I there are several stats about the way that we focus on taxation now that drive me crazy but one of them buck is you know over half of Americans don't pay a dollar in federal income tax if you are listening to us right now and you pay one dollar
in federal income tax, you are in the top half of taxpayers in America.So when they run around and try to say, oh, we've got to make sure the rich pay their fair share, I believe the top 20% pays 80% of all federal income tax.
That seems way more than a fair share to me. And look, I've been in the camp where I didn't make very much money, and I didn't have to pay very much in taxes.
And now, fortunately, I make a lot more money, but I don't feel like the money that I'm giving to the federal government is in any way, by and large, being spent well.
I think that I could spend it better to try to help America to a large extent than the federal government could.And this is why, big picture,
Our federal budget is broken, and I love the idea, Buck, of, I would vote for Trump just based on, hey, Elon Musk, go look at the federal budget and figure out what we can just try and cut.
because Elon says he thinks he could find $2 trillion in savings in our federal budget.Wouldn't you like to have somebody as smart as Elon Musk just going through the federal budget line by line?
He fired 75% of the people at Twitter and the company works just as well as it did before.
i don't know what percentage of federal employees could we fire yeah i know a lot of people that are making uh... real money off of off of uh... x now no longer twitter yes but that was never the case before uh... twitter was getting a free ride off of everybody else now you're really a partner with twitter and you also have free speech as a result of it i think elon musk going in and with a chainsaw in the federal budget
you have to do it and it would be scary to some people right of the notion of how much he would cut when you start to look at what it what cutting a trillion or two trillion dollars out of the federal budget would look like uh... it's gonna touch things that people don't want to talk to this is one of the problems we have you cannot win in american politics right now if you are serious about tackling the debt and if you really want to start to pay it down you cannot win you will not win donald correct very in favor of all entitlements that's a reality
What you need is effectively a shock therapy where Elon Musk and his team, because he would build a team to do this, comes in and they go, we are going to unshackle the productivity and private economy of the American people from this behemoth of federal spending.
And then the prosperity and the explosion of real wealth, not money printing, which is just meant to paper over the fact that we're giving more to people than we are producing in some sectors,
The money printing is is a death sentence for our economy over the long term.Elon comes in under a Trump administration, dramatically cuts that budget.They will freak out.They will say it at the end.But they've already said that we're all Hitler.
So who really cares?And Clay, it would be remarkable.I mean, you see, it would be a little bit like Calvin Coolidge back in the day.Right.Calvin Coolidge brought income tax rates down enormously.
actually cut spending, cut the budget, and they were always all cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria.Then, of course, not.Roaring 20s, massive economic advancements and a boom.
I think that we could have a tremendous amount of prosperity and a much better long-term financial security as a nation for all people. If you unleashed Elon in that regard.But remember, I think, when was Bastia the law written?
I think it's 17th century.And Clay, he was writing on the fiction of the state as everyone thinking they can live at the expense of everyone else, right?And it's true.
it's true that's what that's what the democrats offer they offer the fiction that you can be uh... effectively on a sorry eighteen fifty i think so i did seven in eighteen hundred eighteen fifty uh... but that's all that's what they offer that everyone else will pay for all of your stuff yes and this is this is a long-range conversation five days we get an important election
The argument for Trump on the economy has already been made because we had the best economy in the history of the United States when he was in for his first term.
And that's why there is a nostalgic desire for that to return and all of their attacks on Trump are predicated on COVID happening and largely blue state and blue cities shutting down and forcing everybody to go home and not work.
February 2020 are the greatest economic numbers that have ever existed.Do you miss 2.5% mortgages?Do you miss inflation at 1.5%, 2%?
Do you miss your wages significantly outpacing the rate of inflation that is real money in your pocket for white, black, Asian, and Hispanic individuals?If you miss all of that, I believe Trump can return it if he's given the opportunity.
But what Buck's saying is so important, Whatever happens the next four years, we have major structural issues that have to be addressed over the next generation, over the next two generations.
If you're around our age, Buck, let's say you're 40 and you hope to live into your 80s, I have zero faith that social security as it exists now is going to be my safety net when I'm 80 years old living in the United States.Zero.
Because the math just doesn't math.And at some point, that becomes a big, huge, massive obstacle towards economic growth that we have to reckon with.But in the short term, Trump is the right economic answer.
But make no mistake, no matter who the president is, the challenges are still going to exist in the future.And candidates, by and large, only want to focus on the present.They don't really want to focus on the long, long range.
But the way to solve this, I thought Art Laffer, who was on with us recently, said, look, the growth rate of the economy is the key.That's really how you put America in a different stratosphere.We have to get up to 4% growth.
We have to get up to 4% plus growth because then the amount of money being brought in on all fronts, rising tide lifts all boats.It's not a complicated economic picture.
and and there's also the the energy people can ask or what would what would trump do what's different there's the cutting of spending the elimination of regulation include you when you see and you know you you run a business and you know we're running a business together now and you see the stuff you have to deal with that is really just all non-productive rent-seeking from the regulatory and government economy whatever business you are in
whatever you're dealing with if you're running an auto body shop if you're you know uh run if you're a general contractor if you're uh you know whatever it is there are all of these unnecessary and onerous costs put on you because unelected unaccountable bureaucrats particularly at the federal but often at the state level as well decide that it's
fair or it's sustainable or it's equity you start to pull all those shackles off the american people the american government just by a approaching it with a common sense attitude of we've got it is it isn't even the thing we have to worry about this why are you doing this
it would be a dramatic would be a sea change i think the american economy and and this is what uh... gets me excited about the prospect of trump dot two point out was to really just chainsaw to the to the not just the deep state but the bureaucratic state we'd unleash individual excellence in this country
And I think Trump would do a better job of it by far than Kamala.
And if you've ever founded a small business, if you've ever had to make payroll, if you have ever had other people's ability to take care of their families on your shoulders, then you know better than anybody out there, by and large on the Democrat side, how to grow business and how to take responsibility for
individual success in this country.And Trump is going to do a better job of that by far.Economics is not even close if you have a functional brain in terms of who's going to grow the country bigger, better, and faster.
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Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Thursday edition, Halloween edition of the program.
Buck, do you get a lot of trick-or-treaters at your place in Miami, or by and large, is it like not a trick-or-treat universe?Uh, no.So like you and Kerry will not have any candy ready for anybody knocking on your door at all?
nope so i will be i'm not even kidding about this in the probably 99th percentile of people who have their door knocked on for halloween now i will be running around with my 10 year old but
the amount of candy that we will give out and also laura has bought my wife i think i've talked about this on the show before we have a a while back fireball sent me a fireball shot machine So I have in my house a fireball shot machine.
We set it up every Halloween.I think my wife has 40 bottles of fireball.And for the adults, for the adults who are coming around on Halloween when their kids get candy, we offer them shots of fireball whiskey.
And we will go through, for adults walking around their kids, about 40 bottles of fireball tonight.
so if you're if you're in the uh the franklin tennessee area you may well come by the the the in our neighborhood not only do kids get a lot of candy but there are certain houses where adults can get alcohol it's a big party i cannot wait uh so i bet there will be a bunch of in my neighborhood in particular buck
Trump in garbage man gear and Trump in the McDonald's gear.I'm expecting to see a ton of these.
You're much more acclimated to the, I mean, I know you do the adult Halloween thing too, but you have kids, so they're, you know what I'm saying?Like you're in the zone.
I mean, as much as I would, if we tried to dress Ginger up like a little pirate, she would rip it off and chew it up.You know what I mean?She's not into that, so I'm not in that zone yet.
Well, one of the fun times when you get young kids is when you can start dressing them up for Halloween for the first time.Now, about two or three, they can start to pick what they would like to be.But those first couple of years, did you see Biden?
biting the kid who was dressed up like a turkey at the White House Halloween party.You saw this, right?Yeah, I mean, this is crazy.
Now, I think he's trying to be funny, but he's so weird that I saw this video and I was like, what in the world is our president doing that we've got a guy biting little kids like they're drumsticks in the White House right now?
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I'm not the only one who has figured this out either.Over at CNBC, you have Phil Kernan.I think it's Phil Kernan, right?Phil Murphy.Joe Kernan.
Joe Kernan.Thank you.Yeah, yeah.
Joe Kernan, Phil Murphy.There we go.You got Kernan and Murphy.And I thought the Simpson, because it's not just OK, he's a Democrat governor of a big state, New Jersey, which he is Murphy. Horrible on COVID by the way, just throwing that out there.
I remember because I was living in New York at the time, and in New Jersey I was seeing the press conferences too, and I was like, you gotta be kidding me.You know, just horrible stuff.Idiot stuff.
But anyway, Murphy, he's a Wall Street guy, he's a rich guy. And so he should understand how an economy works.I want you to hear what Kernan is asking him straight up.Just explain to me the thing you like that Kamala says.
Not that's like a concept, right?Like, Clay, I'm going to make everyone rich is a concept.I'm going to make everyone rich.You can say that.That sounds good.But it leaves open how? What are you going to do, right?
I mean, Clay, if you were coaching a football team and you went in before the game, you said, guys, we're going to win this game. And that was all you said.People might have some questions like, hey, coach, how are we going to win this game?
And that is at its essence what is missing with Kamala ism, if you will.There is no explanation.There's only these airy phrases.
There's only, you know, it's and and this is what happens when when somebody who works in the world of financial journalism asks somebody who understands finance, hey, what do you like about Kamala?Play the clip, please.
Governor, if we went on a checklist, you like Kamala Harris, not just against.Let me ask you, do you believe we should abolish the filibuster?And you can answer after I do it.How about getting rid of private insurance?
How about taxing unrealized gains?How about nationalizing energy?How about mandatory gun buybacks like Australia?How about decriminalizing illegal crossings, ending cash bail, child gender reassignment surgery being paid for in prison?
Raising the corporate tax rate.What are your favorite proposals from Kamala Harris that make you like her so much?
Joe, for a Jersey guy, for a Jersey guy, you sound like you're on the Trump campaign, for crying out loud.Come on, man.
Okay, well, which of those do you like?
You're cherry-picking stuff.
Which of those do you like?Which of those do you like?
I'm gonna tell you, he had no answer.
uh... we continue that clip which may we should play a little bit more of it there there's a new personal he goes at hominem clay which is always a big tip off right you know i i was trying to kind of funny music your jersey guy you should know better now that this is the real honest what is the thing that kamala harris has said she will do not a feeling she will evoke the thing she will do that will accomplish anything you know what is the lever that will be pulled that will result in the following action
I don't know.Does anybody know?I mean, they talk about things in these broad and sweeping terms, and I think it's very obvious because Kamala has no substance.She doesn't know what she's talking about.
She doesn't know how anything in the economy actually functions.And this is what happens.
She's a mess.And I do think that if you are in the finance world, that those questions are great.What is she going to do that you specifically agree with?And I don't even think it just has to be limited to the finance world, Buck.
I think anyone out there. If you are asking them, what do you think Kamala Harris has done well so far such that she deserves a promotion and will do well in the office of the presidency?I've never heard anybody answer that.
I mean, it's one thing to not agree with Trump, but almost everybody is voting on the Democrat side against Trump.They aren't supporting Kamala.And that's important because she's in office right now.
At least in 2020, Joe Biden could spin the web of, I'm going to restore normalcy to the country.I'm Scranton Joe.I'll solve all the issues that have arisen, in particular COVID.
That's an argument, now it wasn't realized, but he wasn't in office and he was saying, I'll do a better job.What argument has Kamala actually made suggesting she deserves a promotion?
If Kamala Harris's record existed in your place of employment, would she deserve a job, a promotion? Take it away from the President of the United States.
If she was the number two person in sales at your car dealership, and the guy who ran the car dealership had gotten too old and he was retiring, and sales had collapsed, and the overall success rate of the company was down,
would people inside of the car dealership be like hey you know what we need to do stick with the leadership that we have right now she would never get a promotion someone trying to run a rational business that was failing as kamala has failed as vp would never elevate her to ceo or commanding position and again buck that what joe kernan did there really just illustrates
The only reason people are voting for Kamala is because, to a large extent, people's brains have been broken by negative Trump stories, and they have bought into derangement syndrome.
And the reason why I'm cautiously optimistic five days out that Trump is going to win is there are a lot of you out there listening to us right now who might have bought that argument in 2016, who might even have bought that argument in 2020, but your eyes have been opened
And you have come to see how illegitimate that argument is.And I thought the clip we played of CBS was a perfect distillation of this.And in fact, in the third hour, maybe we'll dive into this.
Did you see Brian Stelter saying, if Trump wins, basically the mainstream media is dead?I'm paraphrasing the tweet he sent.
Import we should hit that I did see that I was thinking about that for today's show as well Because it is true.How do all these?Mainstream, I don't like that term.
We still use it sometimes by habit these legacy Democrat outlets clay how do they tell everybody that it's the end of democracy and Trump is Hitler and Then he wins and then everything's actually going along just fine How would you listen to anybody who does that ever get the entire Democrat media has gone along with that?
Yes, and again, we'll read that exact tweet, but I do think that he's right on that in some level, and that's why I want to win the popular vote.That's why I want all of you out there.
I don't just want Donald Trump to win the Electoral College by the skin of his teeth.I mean, I would sign up for that right now because I think it's important enough that he win, but in my ideal world, New Hampshire is too close to call.
New Mexico where Trump is visiting is too close to call.Virginia is too close to call.Minnesota is too close to call.We're expanding the battlefield to such an extent that Trump has a real chance
to win not only a huge electoral college victory but to win the actual popular vote because then all these individuals out there are forced to reconcile with the lies that they have told not only that but how i would argue not only are they being increasingly
Put to the sideline buck.
I would even argue that most of what you're seeing now of the propaganda media is actually aiding trump Because there are enough people paying attention now who are willing to change their vote and when they see norah o'donnell open cbs news In the method in which she did.
I mean, that's supposed to be a non-biased impartial newscast buck.That's why cbs has a broadcast license And they clearly are not doing that.They're just reading propaganda.
It might as well have been MSNBC that was employing Nora O'Donnell as she ran through there.We'll have some fun when we come back.Continue to break down.It's Halloween.I know a lot of you out there are excited about Halloween.
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Third hour, we're going to dive into some of these predictions that are out there about what the numbers are going to look like.Again, continuing to look really, really good.
But the data, we'll dive into some of the data and I'll give you a deep dive of where we think we're headed.
Buck, I posted a poll and I'm curious, this is a fun one, it's Halloween, and I know we're in the middle of serious times, but I was curious what your answer to this would be.So I am a fan of 1980s horror movies.
Back in the day, you could watch Nightmare on Elm Street, you could watch Jason, you could watch Halloween, you could watch Chucky, these are 1980s in particular. Yes.Which was the best 1980s villain from the horror movie genre?
If I gave you Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason, and Chucky as the four options, which is a poll that I put up, which would you say was the best?
I have only seen those movies, I think there were like eight of them for each one of those genres made.I'm not an expert at all on this, unlike action movies where I'm a world-class expert.I'm like a PhD in 80s action films.Yes.
I can do entire scripts from those movies.If it has Van Damme, Dolph Lundgren, Schwarzenegger, etc., I can do the whole thing in my head. I would say of the horror genre, Michael Myers from Halloween, I think, is the most iconic, followed by Jason.
I was never a Freddy Krueger guy, personally.I didn't really get that one.
I would have gone Freddy Krueger, number one overall.The voters have gone with you and Michael Myers.Michael Myers is getting 43% of the vote as the best 1980s horror movie villain out there.What is the scariest movie you've ever seen?
Oh, that's a great question.It is a great question.
I would team.You can also weigh in in New York while Clay's figuring it out.You can whisper it in my ear via the mic here or via the headphones.What do you think the best one is?What do you got for me, Clay?
I would probably go with the.Oh, man, I watched all of it and I'm going to forget what they're called now, the
the ones about the catholic priests who would investigate no not the exorcist standing alone that's really good but they're these are more recent and they go out and they basically investigate all of these paranormal activities it's a husband and a wife uh so i guess he's not a catholic priest but he is a uh is a religious figure not a very good one
Yeah, well, but maybe there's an exception if you're doing those investigations and the title of these movies is right off the edge of my tongue and I'm sure I'm getting blown up right now.
But Annabelle is the doll that is in them and there's an entire series.I have no idea what Clay's talking about with this series.What is this series he's talking about?The Conjuring. The Conjuring.The Conjuring movies, I think, are the scariest.
Because, Buck, to me, like, I understand the concept of, hey, you're, like, a crazy clown and you're walking, like, it was a scary movie recently came out.
That's spooky to me, but the way scarier parts are where you have, like, the devil, possession, like, someone engaging in some sort of behavior like that really gets me.
I mean, our friend Sean Ryan on his podcast, Long Form Podcast, was doing great.So many people listening.He had on a guy, a Catholic priest who does exorcisms recently.
And talked about his everyday carry, which included a piece of the true cross.Very interesting stuff. I would say The Exorcist is still the scariest movie that I've ever seen.
Although there's a director who's pretty in vogue these days who did The Northman.He also did a movie The Witch.That was the last horror movie that I have seen.I think it was 2018 maybe.And I decided I'm done.
I actually won't sit through a horror movie now.I won't.I'm out.
I'm out.My wife won't do horror movies.I love the scream movies.Those are really fun.I've watched them with my boys.
Those are really more like murder mystery movies.The scream movies are not really horror.It's not like monsters or possessed people.It's just like lunatics.
yeah lunatic killer um by the way the two guys two people edward warren and his wife lorraine morgan are the characters that are played and in the conjuring movies and it's basically demonic possession the stories of them trying to go out and solve all of these paranormal activity demonic possessions
And so they started in 2013.
I was on a plane flight buck I think it was like cross country or may have been I was going to england or something And it's rare that I have just tons of time And I watched three straight conjuring movies on an airplane Which I would think is probably one of the least threatening places you could be because everybody's been screamed You know like there's there's no like the real danger by and large on an airplane is the plane could go down But not that crazy things are going to happen on the airplane
I did used to watch in the 80s, I think they're horror but in the horror thriller genre.
Do you remember a movie called Critters?Oh yeah.Where there were guys from space and they have like laser guns and the little monsters that eat people.They used to make these crazy movies.They had little spines they would shoot at people.
I can't believe I used to watch this crap.It was on like channel 11 in New York City and I would watch these bizarre movies like that. I saw on HBO, The Hills Have Eyes.I do not recommend that.That was traumatizing.I would never watch that again.
You know what used to get me back when I was a kid, Buck?Unsolved mysteries.When the unsolved mysteries music came on, if you were a kid at home by yourself,
That was I think the creepiest show that you could watch on like NBC or whatever was regular television by far the scariest one out there beyond a shadow of a doubt.
But I bet a lot I can my mentions have exploded a lot of you are agreeing with me on the Conjuring series of movies.
Where are you on vampires and Dracula stuff?
I still uphold that for timelessness and entertainment value, Bram Stoker's Dracula is actually one of, I think it's one of the greatest novels of all time, which I know people flip out about, but I'm like, no, it's amazing, it's incredibly well written, and it created the whole vampire genre.
Yeah, and Francis Ford Coppola's version of Dracula is actually incredibly well done.That was Keanu Reeves, right?Isn't it, in that?Gary Oldman?
No, no, that was, uh, you're talking about the, um, the one with, uh, the British guy, Gary Oldman?
Yeah, Gary Oldman, like the 90s.I thought Keanu Reeves was the young guy who was, like, coming up to that, like, playing that.He is, yeah, yeah, yeah.That's, that one is really well done.Jonathan Hawker.
I like, but I like my vampires as my friend Mike Leach, rest in peace, used to say.Not the mopey vampires.Like the evil, actually scary vampires.Not like the romantic teen, you know, vampires which have taken over.
This is also where I gotta say, gotta throw in a word from a man Wesley Snipes in Blade, which I always talk about because... Underrated.Fantastic.
