I have some tour dates upcoming to tell you about.Bloomington, Indiana, November 13th, Columbus, Ohio, Champaign, Illinois, over there in Illinois, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Lafayette, Louisiana, and Beaumont, Texas.
There are some tickets still available, theovon.com slash T-O-U-R.Make sure to go through that link so you're getting fair-priced tickets. Today's guest is a rapper out of Dallas, Texas.
He has his new album, Take Care, which he's on tour with right now.He has hit songs, Texas, Whip It, Mm-Hmm, and others.We're grateful for his time.Today's guest is Big X, The Plug.
♪ Shine on me ♪ And I will find a song
Where'd you just come from?From Torrant?I'm gonna move this down.
Where'd we just come from?Louisville, Kentucky.Yes, sir.How was that?All right.Yeah, it was good.Was it sold out?No.It was packed. 95%?Yeah, it was crazy though.They got a lot of horses up there too.
I've been to the horse track up there.Yeah, I was just going to say, don't they do like derbies and stuff?Yeah.It's nice.Some of the horses are strong.Some of them aren't that strong. What else has been going on?Yeah, I was just up in Montana.
We had some shows up there.Met some Native Americans up there.You ever met any Native Americans?Like a real life one?No, I don't think so.We met a couple up there.They're pretty cool, man.
We was up at... We were at AutoZone up there and they had a couple Native Americans up there and we met them.And... Yeah, they're just wild, and they have a lot of good weed, too, a lot of times.
Oh, okay, then yeah, I probably would've bumped into a few if I was you.
But I heard this beautiful out there, Shaboozie, that's one of my close friends, and he was just out there shooting a video, and he was like, bro, I'm finna move out here, it's crazy out here.He's so nice.I gotta make sure I stop by there for sure.
Yeah, it looks like you're on this planet, but on the best parts of it.You look out there, and they got all kind of exotic animals too out there.That's why I think, yeah.Yeah, Native Americans have the best weed.I've always heard that.
I've never gotten to smoke any with them. They got that shit that'll bring your dead relatives back, you know?They got that real, they got that soothsayer gas on them.Do I want to smoke that?
Good point, I don't know.If they bring your dead relatives back, do you want to smoke that?
I guess if you owe somebody some money, maybe you just let them be where they're at.
And they had the best pets, too.Think about it.Native Americans had the best pets, man.Falcon, buffalo, eagles.
I'm scared of all that type of stuff. I'm scared of any animal that's, for one, bigger than me.So like horses, cows, I'm terrified of them.And then just eagles and all that stuff, you can't really do nothing about those.
So if they fly down and grab you and rip skin off, you can't do nothing to them.I don't do bugs, I don't do exotic lizards, I don't do snakes, I don't.Really?I could see you with a nice bird, man.With a bird?I do have a bird, my daughter's name.
So that's as good as it gets.I was terrified right there.Yeah, I was terrified.
You saw how far away I am from Norris?Oh, it is?Yeah, you kept your distance.Wow.Did you even FaceTime with that thing first, or they just brought him straight up?No, they just brought it.They just brought it. Yeah, that kind of stuff is a lot, man.
Horses make me nervous, too.They're just so big and you don't trust them, you know?Yeah, exactly.And I don't trust anything that only can see out of the side of its head.That, too.That, too.You know?
That's how I really feel about a lot of animals, but did you ever have any pets growing up?
Yeah, a lot of dogs.A lot of dogs.What kind do y'all have?Rottweilers.Right now I have a Cane Corso.I have two Pocket Bullies.I got a Frenchie.But just, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That actually looks just like my dog Sasha that's at the house right now with the white patches and everything. And does y'all have a chain on it?No, no, she's horrible, she's bad.Oh, really?Yeah, yeah.Can you even pet her or nuh-uh?
Yeah, you can pet her or whatnot, but she just, if she don't like it, she gonna go crazy.Oh, God.But once she's smelling you and she good, then you locked in.
I wouldn't even risk it.See, I get scared getting high around dangerous animals.That's one of my big things. You know, I would have sometimes trouble smoking with the brothers when I was young because a lot of them would bring a dog with them.
And if we got high, it just made me too nervous.Man, I had to get out of my own car and leave everybody in there one time.Damn.Because I couldn't handle it.Well, you might want to stay away from that weed in Montana.Yeah.
Yeah, I stay off that native stuff, man.Thank you so much for joining us, bro.No, for sure.It's a blessing to be here.Yeah, congratulations on all your success, man.So appreciate it.It's exciting.Yeah, I love listening to your songs.
They all have this beginning that kind of creates this like, it almost feels like it's a start of a movie.It's like before you come in with the lyrics, it's like there's this Each one has this ambiance that gets going.Who makes that?
How do y'all make that choice?How does that happen?
I've been with the same producers for about two, three years now.Bear Play, Tony Coles.We kind of just know each other's souls at this point. They just go based off of what they feel like I would mess with in a song, and then they go from there.
Tony pick out the sample, man play through the 808s, all the beatings on it, and just go.I'm a build-up person, so that beginning, that's my build-up.Yeah, it almost feel kind of romantic in the beginning, some of it.
A lot of shit, get you in the mood, get you ready, it make you want to hear what I'm about to say.
The video with the skydiving, did y'all really skydive in it?
No, I would never skydive in my life.Really?Oh, you'd go down quick.Skydive, bungee jump.
I'm one of those people who believe in like, I just feel like I would have a heart attack before I got, you know, or I would faint or something, so now I can't pull my string.So I'd just rather not do it.I'd just rather not do it.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know why some people do it. I wonder if they have a lot of, yeah, the video, that was so tough, man.How did y'all shoot it, though?Did you guys have like a fake chopper or something?
A fake plane, a lot of air, and great actor.Anybody want me in the movie?There you go.Yeah, you could be in like a paratrooper movie, man.For sure.It don't look like I fell that fast.It actually look like I fell at a- At a decent rate.
There it go, there it went.I dropped fast right then.
It did seem like you were, because I was kind of, when I was watching, because usually if people are really fly, you see like their cheeks going like that.And I was like, man, it seemed like he's kind of going at a casual speed.
But that's when you know you got, when you got a vibe, bro, when you can skydive at a casual speed.When you can do it your own way.What's happening in Texas, man?Still hot. How has your life changed over there?
Like, even in the past two years, probably.I mean, for me, it hasn't really changed.I still do the same daily stuff I would do if I was home.But of course, everybody knows me now, so.
Now, instead of going to Walmart, I now have to do curbside pickups.Now, you know, it's just stuff like that. As far as me and my home and my family, ain't nothing really changed.We're still everybody kicking when we can.
If not, I'm at home with my kids, chilling.Nothing too major.I'm as basic as it get.I don't treat myself like a superstar or nothing like that.
Does it feel overwhelming sometimes with people knowing you as much?Is it sometimes a little bit like, what is it like? Does it feel kind of like alarming sometimes?Does it feel like what you thought it would feel like?
Because a lot of people don't get to have that much popularity, right?So it's interesting when it does happen to somebody because it's just a rare thing, right?
I mean, as far as like, I was popular in school, but then it's like, After that era faded out, I started doing stuff that it's like you kinda don't want people to know who you are.
And now it's like I gotta let people get this close to me before I know if they're friend or foe.So of course it bothered me, but it come with the job.I just gotta keep big guys like him around me. Yes, sir.Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good choice there.And, um, and yeah, is it more dangerous?Because I think like, it's funny, sometimes if you're just like a regular guy, nobody will try to shoot you.But then when you're a rapper, people try to shoot you.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.It's just a lot of You know, just like it's God in the world, it's the devil.You know, it's the devil too, man.You know, the path that some people decide to take is not always the right one.
So, you know, you just gotta kinda be prepared for it.Yeah, you're a target because everybody feel like you got all this money, all of this.People don't even know, like, so a lot of these major artists, all they have is that chain and that watch.
They don't got no money, you know?So you just did what you did for a chain and a watch. Me, I try to treat everybody as equal, so like when a person walk up on me, I'm gonna give you that picture.
I'm gonna talk to you as if you're a normal person, because that's what makes somebody want to get you.When you, nah, I'm good, I don't, you know, that's what, when you show them that separation, that's when they want what you got.
When you're too fancy, yeah.Exactly, exactly.
For rappers, it just feels like, it just feels a little bit more dangerous, I feel like, you know?Like, do you have to keep like a EMT with like, like do your, People know CPR and your team and stuff like that or what is it like?
I ain't gonna lie, fellas.If we get to that point, don't y'all put y'all lips on me.Don't y'all put y'all lips on me.Y'all find the nearest woman and y'all teach her how to do it, but don't y'all put y'all lips on me.
Bro, you could have some girl sitting there watching a YouTube video.Yeah, yeah, I can't, nah, I can't go through that, so.Bro, you ain't gonna feel it, bro.You gonna be just... But when I come to, that's a question you gotta ask.
You know, when you come to and you say, what happened? There's gonna be that guy that's in the back of the room like, you know, and I don't wanna deal with that.Yeah, that's true.You gonna have to look him in the eye.You have to.
You don't know whether to say thank you or let's fight.Hey, chill, bro.
Exactly, exactly.Hey, next time, ass first.
My partner's so funny that they ain't gonna do nothing but make a joke about it. I almost died, and y'all talking about some, but y'all kids, though.Y'all kids, you know, so.You alive, but you a little zesty now.Just find the nearest woman.
Find the nearest woman for me.I don't care how old she is.Just find the nearest woman, please.
Yeah, that's what I just wonder.I think I would keep, if I was in the rapper, I would have somebody bow and arrow, somebody with a couple choppers on them, everything, Dracos, everything, guns, fucking,
A little ninja thing.Yeah, fucking da-da-da-da-da hell, bro.
Magic metal, fucking ninja stars, all of that shit, boy.
Torch.You just pray for the best.
Axe, I would have everything, bro.I'd have somebody just walking around, look like they were in one of those video games where they have all the weapons behind them like that.
Like when they get ready to go to war, they pack all of the weapons, but then they don't use none of them.Yeah.
Even cops now they got so many things on they got a taser.They got a gun.They got us a slingshot They got a pepper spray.They got a fucking you know a thing of marbles They got all kind of shit on bro.
You'll see they got a I've never seen an officer with a bag of marbles, but they got so many things He got a camera, they got a little spatula.A thing of just breath, man.He's just shootin' Mentos at people.
I couldn't even imagine runnin' around with all that stuff on me now.
Yeah, they do.They gotta chase people there.Yeah, that's crazy.On top of the Vicks, that's how it is.
Yeah, they're built like a 7-Eleven and they gotta run around and chase everybody down.It's too much.
Everybody would get away from me if I was a police man. I'll catch you eventually, you know.Hey, I'll catch you in the future.Yeah, now let me see you again, because I couldn't, I wouldn't, you know.
Did you, what was like a first job that you had, man?My first ever job was Taco Cabana.I was 16, I was getting paid seven, I was supposed to get paid $7.25, but when I started working, my first day he said, $7.25?No, you're too good of a worker.
I'll pay you $7.50.Really?And I just thought I was that guy. $7.50? That was my first ever check.My first check was like $200, two weeks work.I was so pissed.Bro, when you got that first check, it was nice, huh?No, I was so upset.
It was like two, $300, two weeks of work.Yeah, I was so mad, but I kept going.I kept going.
And how long were you in over there at the Cabana? Maybe like a month, maybe a month and a half.Damn, you didn't keep going at all, man.I've never had a job over four or five months.Really?What was it about it, you think?
Did y'all have some, like, was it contractual issues?What was the deal over there?
As bad as it sounds, it's just something about somebody telling me what to do.You know what I'm saying?Especially in that aspect, it's like, you're not even the big dog.
You work for them just like I work for them, and you sitting here telling me what to do.Exactly.I just always felt like, I watched my mom and my pops growing up, they was out there entrepreneurs, so they was their own bosses.
And I am working at Taco Cabela getting paid 750 when I would rather be my own boss.
So I think that's probably, me having that first job is probably what made me start wanting to do stuff to just be my own entity, my own boss, because that was horrible.Having somebody telling you when to come in, telling you what to do at the job.
I just, I couldn't do it.I couldn't do it. And was any of the food pretty good, or was it like?Yeah, yeah, they used to have this little, I don't even know what the bowl was called, but it's like a bowl shell.It's a bowl, but the bowl is a shell.
And inside of that, you got your meats, your guacamole, your rice, beans.I like all that.You can just crush the bowl.Exactly.Hey, whoever's doing that is doing a great job.
Oh, we about to pay that dude $7.50 an hour, I'll tell you that. We keep it in.
Get a new job, get a new job.
God, that does look good.That's like a little magic hat or something filled with a damn little Thanksgiving and a little Mexican Thanksgiving in there.
That was my, every time I would leave work, that's what I was taking with me.Yeah.Cabana bone. And what y'all had dessert choices up there, too?Uh, sopapillas.Oh, yeah.God, bro.With ice cream with them?
Not ice cream, but like some little icing at the end.I love those.Yeah, sopapillas.That was my first time ever having a sopapilla was at that job.My favorite thing to make there.Yeah?
You just gotta drop it in some grease, come out like the little perfect little square thing, dip it in the sauce, you good.Oh, yeah.
And y'all could smoke on the job?Was that allowed or not?No.
I was a football player at that time, so I wasn't really just smoking.I was on some of the other stuff.See, whenever I had jobs, it's when I was on a different path.Whenever I didn't have a job, it was a different path.
I was trying to be my own boss at that time.
You said one of your folks, they had their own business.What was their business they had?
I mean, it wasn't nothing that you could, like, write off on your taxes.You know, you could do taxes and whatnot, you know, but.Yeah, yeah, and they paid the bills.
They got the bills paid.Nobody fell out of W9.Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
No.But the bills was paid, it was clothes on my back, and there was a roof over my head, so I can't complain about it.
Yeah, not at all, man.Are your parents still married or no?
No.They was broke up before I even came out the womb.Oh, wow.But they're still good friends.They both helped take care of me, made me the man I am today, so it worked out for me.
When you had, because you have how many children?You said you have one daughter?
Yeah, I have a newborn little girl.She's about to be eight months, and I got a little boy.He's about to be six.Nice.Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I think I saw him in one of your videos, maybe.
That's my daughter right there.Is he?Is he cool?
Yeah?What does he like to do?
Cause havoc.So my little boy got autism, so he's just real, he's him.He'll sit here and be quiet one moment, and the next moment he trying to take something from you and run around with it.He just, he a character, man.
He his own entity within himself.Yeah, Carter, yeah.Aw, he's a handsome guy.Just like his daddy.Yeah.
What, if he has, so autism, does he have like, is it almost really interesting having a child with autism?Because it almost seems like it's more of a complex relationship or something.
So they're actually some of the smartest kids in the world, smartest people in the world.
Oh yeah, Elon Musk had all those guys out autism, the guys that are making all the machinery now.You gotta have autism to even get a damn job at somebody's joint.
But so, so like with him, it's just, it's more like of his speech.Like, I could tell him, turn on the TV, I could ask him what you wanna watch, he can point it out, it's just his speech, like, it's like his words run out of the way.
But if you tell him, I love you, he'll say, I love you, like he can repeat anything you say, whether it's good or bad, he can repeat it.It's just like he can't put it all together himself, you know what I'm saying?
But he's as normal as could be, he's smart as I don't know what.Any kid that can, that knows how to jump a fence, you see what I'm saying, to go get in the pool, that knows how to say, I wanna go to dad's house.
And then when he gets to dad's house, say, pool.Like, I only came here for the pool, all right?That's the only reason I came.He knows how to get in, I done had to.
put thumb print codes on my pantries, because when he was with his mommy, he used a lot of organic foods.And when you come to dad's house, you got the good snacks.
So now he know how to get in my pantry and climb up the, yeah, Carter is a character, but that's my dog, man, that's my dog.
Were you scared about having children when you was gonna have them?I would like to have children.I don't have any yet, but I would like to have some, but sometimes I'm like, man, is it just gonna be such a big change?
You know?I mean, you gotta leave a legacy.I grew up in big families, so on my dad's side, whenever we did Christmas together, everybody was spending the night at grandma's house.My granny got, I got what?
One, two, three, my granny got five kids, my dad got six kids.You know what I'm saying?So that just, it's just being over there on my mom's side, everybody just got kids.
So it's just, I just grew up in a big family, so I knew I always wanted a big family.I didn't think I was gonna start as early as I did, but.
I really feel like I'm doing better, because my mom and my dad, they was, my mom was 15, my dad, you see what I'm saying?So.
Yeah, a lot of, we had, in our, yeah, in our town, a lot of the young, a lot of the sisters, they got a little bit pregnant.Early, yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, you didn't even, We didn't even know.
We thought a lot of them just got kind of thick or whatever.Like one summer or whatever.And then we were like, damn, everybody's thick all of a sudden.Yeah, everybody got that baby in them.Yeah, and everybody had it.Then they all had a baby.
Yeah, they had a lot of them babies in our area. Yeah, I think that would be the wild thing.Dude, so were you already rapping when you had your son?No.Wow.So was it kind of nervous, like how I'm going to take care of him, or it wasn't like it was?
Yeah, I was sleeping.I was in my granny house sleeping on the couch.I had just got a job at UPS.Oh, yeah.
They got good benefits over there.
No, man, not unless you're a manager or like something to that sort.Or you got to work there a certain amount of time.It's not good.It's not good. But yeah, I had just, I was staying in Austin, Texas.
Whenever I went to school, got kicked out of school, I went and stayed in Austin, Texas with the mother of Carter.And I went to jail, got out.Where she was staying at, I wasn't supposed to go to no more.Like the whole apartment.
I had a restraining order from the apartment complex.Because what I had did was in the apartment complex.So when I got out, We did what we did.
The one last time I left to go back to Dallas, she called me three months later telling me that she was pregnant.I said, I'm sleeping on the couch at my granny house.All I could tell her was, all right, bet. I'm finna move you out here.
I'm on somebody's couch right now.You can come sleep on this couch with me, but I'm gonna get this right.She came, I think she slept on the couch with me maybe two, three weeks.And then I had a cell apartment.It wasn't no furniture.
The first week or two, we slept on a pallet on the floor.I'd be the chair, you'd be the chair, take turns.Exactly.But we made it work.Wow.That's wild, man.
That takes some commitment, huh?
Yeah, that's why she's forever taken care of.We're not even together now.She got everything she could think of, you know what I'm saying?Times 10, so.You have a lot of respect for her, it sounds like.For sure, for sure.
If it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be here.
And that's just me being honest.What did you go to jail, did you say you went to jail?What did you go to jail for?Well, how about this?What were the holidays like in jail?
What holiday did I spend in jail?Did I spend a holiday?I think I spent, no I did.
I spent Thanksgiving in jail.Oh yeah, what's it like?Do people get up early?Is there anything special like on that?
You know what, now that I think about it though, I was in solitary confinement though for that Thanksgiving.So boom, no, no, no.Yeah, yeah, I was, I was.Yeah, I was.So it was just a bunch of screaming from door to door.
Would you just hear people voices?Do people at least sing like a, I mean, you got, there's people that sit there that's actually crazy, you know what I'm saying?So they actually do scream and do all that other stuff.
And you got people- But do they scream anything special, like, because it's Thanksgiving?That's what I'm wondering, I guess.Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I was screaming something special on, the day I got out, it was a Tuesday.Like, the day I was supposed to go to court, it was a Tuesday.So when I woke up to take my shower, I was just, I was singing, Tuesday.
Tuesday, yeah, like if you ever seen Norbert, he was in the shower knowing that he had to go to the water park with old girl on a Tuesday.That's exactly how it was.Everybody that was in that room was just dying laughing.It was a happy day.
Yeah, it was a happy day.
Wow.So yeah, Thanksgiving, what about Halloween?Were you in there?Nah.
Nah, Halloween I was out.
Thanksgiving, yeah.So do y'all get a special meal or is there any?
I mean, yeah, they give you your little scoop of dressing and that, but it's just not the same as.
Do y'all go around the table and say what you're thankful for or anything like that?
Nah, I doubt that's how it works.You see, there you go.Aw, who are those guys?I don't know them.Oh.
I don't know them.Yeah, look, I mean, it definitely, yeah, it seems, yeah, I guess it wouldn't be the best. wouldn't be the best one.
Like really, holidays in jail, I feel like they're not really celebrated because that's the time where everybody wishes they was with their family, you know what I'm saying?So that's when everybody, it's kind of intense because everybody's upset.
Everybody want to be with their kids, their moms, their, you know what I'm saying?So everybody just kind of try to get through the day.
Yeah, that's a good point.I never thought about that.You kind of almost pretend like it's not that day.
Did they have like a lot of gay activity in jail?Did you see any of it or you hear about it sometimes on the internet?
There was one gay experience for me in jail and it was an older dude that he was in there from stealing a bunch of wood from Home Depot. Probably gonna build him a little V8 hut.A little cess shack.
He had been in there, I don't think nobody knew that he was like that or whatever, but you could tell he had been down a lot.He done went to jail a bunch of times.
And there was a guy that came in there that was a dentist, but he was a member of the LGBTQ community. And he came in with nothing.This is right when- He was a dentist?Yeah, but he was illegal dentist.You see what I'm saying?
So he knew how to do teeth, but he didn't have- He didn't have a storefront.Or the paperwork or anything.You know what I'm saying?Exactly, he just knew how to do.But he was from Mexico.
This is when the whole ICE situation was going on and they were catching a bunch of the illegals and sending them back.And so my pa was a bunch of illegals.
And he was one of the illegals, but he just happened to be a part of the LGBT, you know what I'm saying?So.
Right, he was a gay gentleman, but he also, he did dental?
And he would do dental in the?
No, no, no, that's how he got arrested.When he got pulled over, he had a bunch of dentist equipment and dentist stuff in his trunk.And he just, there was no license.Yeah, so that's what got him.But then on top of that, like I said, he was illegal.
Yeah.So. But yeah, he didn't have nothing.And the old school, he had some stuff.And so he just basically took care of them, and he had to take care of him.So it was just kind of like a prison, kind of a love story almost.Exactly.
And we wasn't even in prison.We was just in jail.But yeah, that messed me up though.
Yeah.That messed me up.Yeah.But even then, at least you get to see somebody having some romance, I guess.
I didn't see anything.Yeah.Or you get to...
I guess it's, yeah, I don't know.
I didn't see anything.I just, you know, you kind of put two and two together.
But I bet some people get a little bit envious, like, oh, at least he got somebody, you know?
I mean, hey, I don't know.I didn't think that way.Yeah.Me neither, dude.
But that's love.It's love, though.If people are in for a long time, I could see how if somebody was in for a long time and they're not going to get out, they say, I'm just gonna have to figure this out over here and call.
I mean, if you in jail, if you in prison for the rest of your life, nah, I can't even say that, because then that insinuates that if I was to ever go to prison for the rest of my life, that I, yeah, yeah, so, I don't know, we're here now.
Yeah, yeah, happy Thanksgiving.Happy Thanksgiving.Wow, man, yeah, I guess I wonder what the holidays are like in there and stuff like that, but is there anything that you miss?Wait, what's the difference between jail and prison?
I've never been to prison, so I can't really tell you how bad prison get, but from what I've heard, it's just, I mean, you gotta, it's, see, jail, you possibly going home, you know what I'm saying?Like, you can go home.
Prison, you know you there for a little bit, so that's when it's more hostile, it's more gangs, it's more, you know what I'm saying?That's where that stuff takes a play in, like the gang wars and then the racial stuff. That stuff is real in prison.
Some people say that the feds is better than prison, just because of the strength.For one, I guess a lot more people with money there, and there's just a lot more stuff there. tablets, you know what I mean?
Everybody got tablets now, even in prison they got tablets.But it's just, you know what I'm saying, for a while.
Swings, recess type shit, outdoor stuff.
I've never been to prison, I've never been to the feds, so I don't know, I'm just going off of what I've been told.But I know if jails suck, Prison got to be worse.Yeah, and the feds got to be worse than that.
Damn, you know So it's just like but if I ever go down and do some time I'd rather go to the phase because they just look like they they're not free, but they're freer Yeah, a little more relaxed.
Yeah Yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna ever go to prison or not.I mean, yeah, you know overall I would probably I would hope I didn't yeah, but don't fucking try me.Yeah So that's how I think about some of that They say first impressions are important.
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Like, what do you think gave you, like, such a good, like, at least kept you some motivation?So you said, like, you learned that, okay, I don't really like working for somebody else, right?And I know that you played football for a while.
When did you, like, think, like, then rap is something I have to do?Did it just kind of turn on for you?I mean, I think you're obviously a good communicator.So you have that that was built into you.When did it start to become lyrical for you?
So remember I told you I was in solitary confinement for Thanksgiving.I had missed my son's first birthday being in jail.And so when I got out, I knew I never wanted to work a real job, obviously.
And on top of that, when I got out, I just couldn't do what I was doing no more.Like all the street activity I was doing, I had made a promise to my son that like, you'll never not see your dad again.I'd never miss another birthday.
I'd never miss another anything, even though I kind of told a story, because here I am here, and he's in Texas, you know what I'm saying?But this is me doing what I got to do to benefit him, you know what I'm saying?
But yeah, yeah, so I got out, made the promises to him, and so I just had to figure it out.He's not my artist, but... He also my cousin, he was just a good friend at the time.He just was like, he'd been rapping since he was nine years old.
He had- He's your real cousin?Yeah.Okay.And so he had been telling me forever, you need to rap, you need to rap, because we would do like little freestyle sessions and whatnot, and I would freestyle.
And it'd be a group of us, but he'd just look at me and be like, bro. you need to rap for real.But I'm like, bro, you been rapping since you was nine years old and you ain't blew up yet.Why would I do that?You know, why would I?
Yeah, we're not gonna listen to you.Exactly.But whenever I got out and I just really didn't have nothing else, you know what I'm saying?Like, what I was saying, I was really trying to live up to that promise that I made to my son.
So whenever he was like, rap, I was like, all right, bet.And I tried it, did maybe like three songs.I liked the feedback I got from, you know what I'm saying, just from our friend group.Then it went past that to just people that we knew from school.
Then it went from that to people that we didn't know.And so I was just like, okay, it's doing something.
So you just gave it to friends first?Was it even like close friends?Or do you have like enough confidence?You're like, all right, I'm gonna put this, I'm gonna.
I mean, of course, I didn't even know how to drop music.Ro told me DistroKid, so I just went through DistroKid.But like I said, when I was dropping them, I was just telling my immediate friend group.
But then when I started noticing that I was getting tags and stuff from people that I didn't know, I was like, okay, it's doing a little something, it's doing a little something. Then just to walk around my own city and everybody know me.
I go in any club, everybody knew me.I was like, all right, you, this is really happening.Yeah, then I got my first deal in six months, my first distribution deal, under six months.So once that happened, I just went from there.
I seen I had made a little bag off of it.Because I done touched a lot of money in my life, but I ain't never touched I've never had $100,000 sitting in my hand at one point in time.And when I did that distribution deal, I had that.
And so I was like, me doing something non-illegal, I just touched $100,000 at one time.You must have been like, dang, this is it.Yeah, and then like three months later, I was broke.Did we get a water slot or something?
No, I just was doing for everybody.
Everybody bought some wild shit when they get a little bit of money.
I didn't even have no big chains.I didn't even want no chain.To this day, I wouldn't have this chain if they wouldn't tell me, bro, you got an image that you got to uphold.You're the biggest rapper in Texas.You can't.
But I don't, I never cared about none of that at first.I kind of got addicted after I started paying for it.Oh yeah.You get some nice.
carpet or whatever, you get a rug, a nice table, you start buying all kind of shit, lamps, silverware with your name on it.
Yeah, so with my name on it, it's crazy.So I had the smallest chains, I just was doing for people around me.I'd go in the mall, I couldn't even find nothing for me to wear in the mall.
I would go to the mall to buy shoes and just tell my friends, hey, y'all get whatever y'all want.You know what I'm saying?Like my mama, anytime she would ask for anything, giving it to her, my pops, anything, I was just doing it.
You know what I'm saying?Then I looked up one day and I was down to like, $25,000.I was like, oh shit.Oh man.
And you gotta pay taxes, you don't even think about that.
And I didn't think about none of that.I didn't think about none of that.And so I just had to, I really just put my foot down and grinded, and I got it all back.And then, next thing I know, that hundred went to,
I just, we went crazy after that, you know?So, all independent, so all my money come to me.Hell yeah.
We did good.Yeah, that's the same, we work for ourselves here too.It's inspiring.I see a lot of guys out there like that Lil' Russell, you ever see him? Yeah, he go crazy.Bro, his bars are good, man.And he's so inspirational.
He's got this whole thing, man.He does half the shit in his back.He's sewing half the sweaters himself that he's slinging, man.He puts it together.He's really inspiring.I like watching him.Did you see that Trump thing that happened with the guy?
I have not been in a debate situation at all, actually.
Well, this is a comedian.They just had him in yesterday.This is Tony Hinchcliffe.He's a friend of mine, and he just said they put him up at Madison Square Garden last night in New York City.
They put him up to speak, and then this was a joke that he told.It's just everybody's going crazy about it today.
Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now.Yeah.I think it's called Puerto Rico.
So that's the joke he told, right?At like a Madison Square Garden rally, I guess.So people are up in arms about it.Because a lot of people were Puerto Rican in New York.
Yeah, that was a very crazy statement.
Yeah, that seemed like a unique choice to me.But I don't know, I've made some poor choices, but I haven't made that one. I think we've all made a poor choice once before.I've made a ton.
Do you guys, do you feel like Texas rocks with Trump, or you feel like, are you a political guy?
I'm not a political guy.I just, listen, I keep my head down.I make the money that I can make how I can make it.As long as I can keep taking care of my kids, I don't care about anything.Hey, we gotta go to war, we gotta go to war.We don't, we don't.
You just gotta be ready for whatever comes.That's how I look at it.And I feel like I'm to the point now where they wouldn't even ask me.
If the world was to end, you know how in all the world ending movies, there's always those two ships or two boats, I think I've made it to get on one of those now.Like I'm on the list.Right, they're going to keep you.Exactly, like plus two.Yeah.
And you have to bring your children probably.Yeah, obviously, obviously.But do I bring two women so that I can repopulate?Start more children.Yeah. One kid, one woman.And the other kid just- Nah, nah, nah, I gotta take both my kids.
I gotta take both my kids.That's the best answer to end on, I think, for that.Yeah, people bet on it now.Two people betting on the election.They have, you ever seen this?So this, because a lot of it is, it's like, well, where's people's money at?
Because that's where they're really, that's where you follow the money everywhere.That's where you really learn things, I find.And they have CalShe, this is a website where people bet on the election.
And it's, yeah, Trump's at 62% now there and Kamala is at 38%.What else do they have on there?Trevin, if you can bring something up.Oh, how many number one songs this year on Billboard?But you can bet on all types of stuff.
Grammy nominations for album of the year. Who's that?Cowboy Carter.Casey has 93%.Casey Musgraves, Chris Stapleton.Will Big X win a Grammy, right?You could bet on that.You could bet on anything, you know?And they probably have some of it on there.
But what is he at right now?What's it at right now?Go back.Oh, it's Trump 62%.And the money that's been bet, $86 million.That's crazy.That's crazy, bro.That is so crazy.
Um, like as your life has kind of taken some new turns, you've had new opportunities.
Have you, have there been any new mentors that have come into your life or like people that you start to see, like this person, I feel something that they're doing is interesting or I could learn from it.
And then you kind of have created relationships with yet.
Uh, I keep my head down. I mean, I just recently did a interview with the million dollars worth of gang, Wilo and Gilly.But I mean, it's, I don't really, I don't know, I'm not a big industry person, man.I'm not gonna lie to you.
I keep relationships that are meant to be kept.I'm not gonna overextend myself.It's just gotta be genuine.And a lot of this stuff is not genuine.I just kinda stated myself.
I don't know, I feel like if anything, my biggest mentor is my son, you know what I'm saying?Just because I feel like you go through everything you're going through and you still, you get up and you smile every day.
Even though you might not know what's going on, you get up and smile every day, not even knowing, you know what I'm saying?So I have to say him.
Everybody else, I feel like, I don't know, I did everything that I've done to get here, I feel like I do it on my own.
so I ain't never.Yeah, you don't need, I guess, an industry, you don't, yeah, maybe you're your own mentor.That's interesting, your son could be your mentor, in a way, because it really is, a mentor's just kind of a source of inspiration, kinda.
Nah, for sure, because these days, I don't wanna get up, and I don't wanna do none of this, you know what I'm saying?
But if my son can get up every day and go to school and have the biggest smile on his face and have good days, why can I not, you know?Yeah.So.
Do you ever listen to Jelly Roll?You ever met Jelly Roll?
Man, I've never met him, but I've heard that he loves me.Man, I love Jelly Roll.Y'all would make us sick.Y'all could put something together.
I don't know if you do that kind of stuff.You have some collabs, right?For sure.Yeah, bro.He's one of the most genuine dudes.
I'm supposed to be doing a country tape next, and he's supposed to be on it.Yeah?Yes, sir.Yes, sir.Yes, sir.Who else will be on it, you think?Shaboosey, maybe?Shaboosey, for sure.That's my dog.
I think I got an unread text from him right now, my phone, I just texted my buddy.What's he like?
I got to sit near him at a, we went to a women's basketball game, don't tell anybody, but we went.But it was the Las Vegas Aces and they played good.
I had no idea Shaboozie was 29.You're old, buddy.Yeah, you're old, you're old.I thought he was my age.Shaboozie, 29.He a damn adult.I didn't know he was a Taurus, though.His birthday two days before mine.Oh, he's a damn Taurus as well.Yeah.Wow.
But now he's, like I told you, it's not a lot of genuine stuff in this industry.Him and Ellie Chopper, It's just, as far as rappers, that's really, you know, just it.But like, they the most genuine guys.
I mean, they, I can call you Nelly Choppa right now.He just called me the other day and thanked me because whenever he was going, whenever he transitioned to that, if I was a bad, like, he was on the way to go to Rolling Loud.
You know, the first time he performed it was at a Rolling Loud. I had just left Rollin' Loud, so we had the same hotel.We had already done a song before then, but we was chopping it up, and in the back you could hear the song playing.
He had somebody in the back specifically holding a speaker to play that song.A lot of people just didn't really understand what he had going.They didn't see where, I didn't even see the vision.
But I just knew, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day, as long as you're comfortable with doing what you're doing, and you know your reasons behind doing what you're doing, then why not do it?
You're young, at the end of the day, they doing all this other crazy stuff, why you can't do it?
And so he just basically thanked me the other day for just, you know, basically accepting, you know what I'm saying, what he had going, basically believing in what he had going.Like I said, that's my guy, man.I gotta give him all the respect.
He just reached out and said thank you?
Yeah, I was getting my hair cut at my house, he called me.He was in Tokyo, he was in Japan.
They getting him over there, I guess.
Japanese, they love everything.
It was broad daylight where he was, and it was dark where I was, you know what I'm saying?He was just calling me, he had just got out of the shower.He was like, yeah, man, I just wanna let you know I appreciate you, I thank you.
But yeah, Shabooz, that's my dog.I was just with him in New York.I was finna try to bring him out to the show today, but he in L.A.now, so.Yeah, he's all over.
Yeah, we sat next to each other at a game.It was pretty good.Watching the Vegas Aces is good, man.Yeah, I gotta go see a women's basketball game.
I feel like it's more intense.
I can relate to their games, because I can't dunk, they can't dunk.
Exactly, exactly.I feel that.
So every time they trying to dunk and they can't, that's Ryan.You feel it?Yeah.I feel it, I feel it.I'm like, I got, I know what these women are going through.
I actually can dunk.My manager just didn't get footage of it.Really?Because he, you know, he almost got fired that day as well.But I was just recently shooting a Pride Speaks commercial, big shout out to Pride Speaks, and I dunked the ball.
We won't say what he said.No, he said, I'm not lying.You're not lying?I dug the bow.Wow, really?
They don't believe it.No, I believe it, man.See, this is why you needed the footage.I believe it, I believe it.This is why you needed the footage.
So that's all I'm saying.
Drewski was there, Freddie Marco was there, they all seen it.
Wait, was Sketch there too?Yes.Yeah, Sketch and Drewski was there?Yes, sir.Oh yeah, how was that?I heard it was good.It was all for prize picks?
Yeah, it was long, but we got the job done.Yeah, I seen it before I said that.Respect.Yeah, they're all great guys.Man, everybody's just genuinely funny.From Spice Adams, that guy's hilarious. Spice Adams, I don't know him.That's the- Bring him up.
Yeah, bring him up.There you go.
Let me get a look at him.Spice Adams.
He's a chef?Nah, he does like the old basketball.When you see him, you- Oh wait, did he do the, that's Anthony Adams.
But he goes by Spice.He goes by Spice now.I thought that was Anthony Anderson actually for a second.
I think that's a movie artist or something.Yeah, it is.
You gotta pull up one of his clips, like one of the basketball clips.
Yeah, let's see if you can get one of them.
I didn't even know he played professional football.Me neither.
Hell, I didn't even know he existed, I didn't know he was. Spice Adams.
Go to the video, down to the right, far right, right there.Oh, dang, bro.We tried.We tried, Spice.Oh, there he is.He's a funny guy.
What was he doing, mic gaps?
Nah, he's just saying this is how older guys laugh.Oh, yeah. How O'Hare's laugh at glucose mama jokes.But yeah, he a character, man.Drew Ski, everybody know. Everybody knows Drewski is a character sketch.
Drewski's the best, man.Me and Drewski did a fake movie.It was like a fake movie that we made.This shit was messed up.So the family is called the Diggers is their last name, right?Drewski wrote it.Okay.So
where one of them, the dad dies, it's Druski and his sister, they're inheriting the funeral parlor.And then I'm married to Druski's sister.And so I'm getting part of the funeral parlor.And they're not happy about it.
But anyway, we're at the funeral of the dad, the guy that died.And the last name, his name was Nathan Digger, right?And so I had to make a speech in front of all these people.And it was like, man,
I don't know if I can say this right now, but I was like, man, this is the best digger we ever had in the whole world, right?And it was a room full of black folks who didn't, I didn't know any of them.
And Drewski and them are in the back just howling, bro.And I'm just having to keep, I had to do it like. 15 times.Finally, I was like, man, I can't do this anymore.
Yeah, it got awkward after a while.
Yeah, bro, write it before.
Even if I know that you're saying this other word, after like the seventh time, it starts to sound like the other word, you know?
Dude, it was, yeah, it got really scary even for a little while.But it was, Drewski's hilarious, dude.The video where he gets out of prison, that's Demon Home, you seen that one?Yeah, yeah, the Demon Home, yeah, yeah, yeah.That's Lil Ray!
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That's BetterH-E-L-P, betterhelp.com slash Theo. Plug, they're sending a lot of people to space.Would you ever go to space if we needed you out there?
A lot of people would have to go before me.You would have a group of people, not the astronauts that you would have, because they said they were supposed to be building a hotel up there.
Somebody gotta go stay in that hotel for a week, and come back safely, and they gotta check all their blood, you know, their vitals, and if everything good, I'd go on like the third or fourth group trip, you know what I'm saying?
I'd go on that, I would.That'd be wild if you were out there.It would, because I would be lighter.Yeah.That's really where I wanna go.Lean with it, rock with it, boy.Exactly, I would make, I have so many captions when I come back. Man.
Yeah, I wonder if you could write different bars if you were in space, because it would affect you differently.My mental right.I can't say nothing about standing on business, because I'm floating on business.I see what you're saying.That'll be hard.
We got to get us in space, man.First album written in space, that'd be tough.I'm on some Soulja Boy stuff now.First rapper to write an album in space. Yeah, I wonder, man.
Big extraterrestrial.You could meet an alien out there.Do a lot of you believe in aliens?Do you believe in aliens, my friend?I don't know.Because you got to think, man.They got a lot of space out there, man.
They do.Do I believe that there is another like planet out there with life on it, of course, I think so.Aliens, I think they might look just like us.I think they might look just like us, they might just speak different, and yeah.
I ain't gonna say they just look like, you know, I'm not gonna say that, but.Yeah, like a Teletubby or something.Yeah, they might look like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that.But they might look like the guy with the ears. Yeah.Him down there.
Down there, right there.They might look like that.Oh, damn.He look like he cut his own hair.
That guy cuts his own hair, man.
What if they don't have to cut their hair?That's just how their hair naturally is.They just snap and it falls off how they want it to be.Wow.
That's as alien as it'll get for me.We used to have a bus driver, he'd cut everybody's hair.He was the barber in our town, so once a month he'd pull the bus over, $2 everybody get cut up.
I don't know if I would want that haircut.I don't know if I would want that haircut.
Oh, it wasn't a great cut, but it was the only cut they had, man. But it's like, what can you give for $2?I mean, you get what you get.He was just sitting in a bowl out here just cutting around it.Well, he could do it off a site.
He didn't need a dishware or nothing, but he did it.
He didn't have that much faith in himself, though, because $2? That's, you get two dollars, that don't even get you no dip, that don't get you nothing.
But this was, man, this was 25 years ago, though, 22 years ago.Oh, okay, okay.So he had, yeah, he really, I thought he did a pretty good job, but he pulled that bus over, bam, everybody.22 years?How old are you?I'm 44.Really?
I'm an adult, man, I'm in a Dyson.I'm an adult.Man, you look good.It's the end, thanks, man, I feel good, but I'm just getting older, I gotta get a wife soon.
You don't have to.I know.You don't have to.You don't think?Man, it's like part of me feel like this, I don't know, man.I got two women right now.And I just feel like I probably would be better with none right now, you know?Yeah.
You know, because it's just like as you get, as it get better, it get worse.Yeah.
But there's something also admirable about a guy that's able to, make that work though too, I think.
If I see that and a guy's able to make it work, that he's able to take care of his wife or ex-wife, I feel like there's almost something a little bit admirable about it.
I struggle every day.I struggle every day, they see it.Every day I struggle.But I feel like it's making me a better person. Cause now I like, I feel like the past me didn't know how to treat women.
Now that I got a daughter, it made me want to treat women better and it will happen right when I have two women.So now I'm treating them both like queens, obviously, but it gets to a point where, you know, but that's another, that's another combo.
Look at everybody started listening.Nah, yeah.Yeah, that's another combo, man.That's something else, bro.Definitely take, take as much time as you need.Cause once you get married, It's a wrap.You dare.It's a wrap.
My dad just told me he finna propose to his girlfriend on the Dallas date.Wow.On stage.Uh-uh.And what song you gonna play a special song for him if she says yes?I mean, he's the voice on Texas, so I'll probably just play Texas.
First off, will you marry me?
Dang.If you got to meet some aliens, what songs would you play for him, you think?
Mm-hmm.Yeah.Mm-hmm.I'm from Texas and And what about some other artists?The biggest, the largest.
Yeah.I would play for them.They would like that.But if they pull up with a big-ass, large-ass alien, you're going to have some competition, though.
He's going to like the song, though.He's going to like the song.That's all I know.But I definitely would play—got to play some Lil Wayne.I would play— Yeah, dude.You got to play some Lil Wayne.
We used to live not far from Juvenile, and he chased a woman down the street one night in our neighborhood. We just gonna say she did something wrong.Oh, I'm assuming she did.Yeah.And we can probably take that out.
I don't want to hurt the guy's feelings.I don't know if that's still pending either.What, uh, Yeah, I'm trying to think of what else, man.You've had so much success this year.
Do you start to feel about different goals, or you just kind of stay in the pocket you're in?What do you feel like, do you feel a responsibility to keep up with your own success now?Because that's interesting.
Once you start to have some success, you almost set the bar for yourself without even realizing it, right?You're just trying to achieve some goals.But then you set a bar, kind of.
I mean, like I said, I didn't come in this wanting to be the best rapper ever.I didn't even want to be a rapper.I had to do something to take care of my child.
And so it's just to the point where it's like, as long as I'm taking care of my child, I'm good.I still don't feel like, I'm treating this as the NFL, because like I said, I thought I was going to be a football player.
The NFL stands for not for long.So I gave myself five years in this.I tell them every day, man, I can't wait to retire in this rap.And they'd be like, yeah, but you got like 10 more years.And I'd be like, no, I got two.And they'd be like, no.
I'm like, yeah, I only got two.Because after that, I'm just, I feel like movies, you know, like I'm just setting myself up for other things to bring more revenue to my family.
When I'm gone, my kids gonna be so rich, they ain't gotta do nothing, but it's gone like, I'm gone have, I don't know, I've been done so much, like as far as music, movies, commercials, voiceovers, whatever, you know what I'm saying?
It's gonna make them wanna do something, you know what I'm saying?Man, my dad did all of this.I gotta go do this.I gotta do something to make my own name.I want my kids to want their own name.
So it's like, everything that I'm doing right now, I'm basically doing it to make it hard on them.I see what you're saying.Because if they're as competitive, if they have that competitive spirit,
And I know that's in me, because it got passed down from my dad and my brother.It's just, I know, I know that's gonna be there.And so when they nice and ready, I just know they're gonna put their best foot forward when they're gonna figure it out.
But if they don't, they got pals to carry the shit on if they don't.
What about a Christmas album, man?You gonna do something like that for everybody?
Man, I did do a Christmas song one time, and I feel like it went crazy.I just dropped it at the wrong time.When did you drop it?In the summer?No, it was cold.It was cold.I actually dropped it right around Christmas.
It just was earlier in my career, so I had less eyes, you know?Yeah.But I think it's over a million-something right now, now that I've become who I've become.Maybe it could pick up then this year.Yeah. Yeah, I think we got 1.5 a year ago.
And would you ever do a mall Santa or something like that, like for children or for charity?I would.I would.That's actually a great idea.That'd be sick, bro.That's a great idea.Yeah, dude.If you got to be a mall Santa, that would be pretty good.
Yeah, I don't know if we can listen to it or not because we'll have to, it'll get claimed or whatever.What's your show like, man?What's the show like?
I might pull up tonight.You should, you should.Nah, it's more like... Now, at first my shows were just like, a lot of dancing, a lot of- People shaking a towel and all that?
Shaking a towel.There's always that one guy that's just the towel guy or whatever?Like on the rap stages, there's that one dude and he just- Oh, you're talking about like a hype man?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.I guess Roe is my hype man.It's good though.You gotta have him. Nah, but we're more like put together.I don't know what it is.Me and Ro, we've been performing together since my first ever performance.
He was on stage with me, so I don't know.It's just the chemistry is there.Everything that we done put together, it just happened.It wasn't nothing that we set.We just, for the first time, did rehearsals before this tour.
And we done did three tours before, like my tour, Kevin Gates' tour, Key Glock tour, we never rehearsed nothing, it was just we went on stage and it just happened.So now we finally rehearsing it, so I just feel like that made it.
Like now he come out on stage in a FedEx uniform, you know what I'm saying, like it's crazy, we just put more to it.Yeah, yeah, it's just, you should come.
To see a big guy my size move the way I move, and to, you wouldn't even think that it was an hour, I do hour sets, and you wouldn't, if I wasn't sweating so bad, you wouldn't even know I was tired.
I don't know, it's just kind of like second nature to us down there.We were football players, so it had always been under the lights, you know what I'm saying?And so, I don't know, it just make you want to put on more of a show.
Do you have some ballads in there too, some love songs like that?
I guess I used to, but now like, so the Take Care Tour is basically, I mean it's off of the album, and my album wasn't more of a, it wasn't a turn up album, it wasn't a for the women album, it was just me speaking on me in this industry, you know, speaking on me in the now.
And so like now I feel like my shows are more like, personal, like a lot of people that come to my shows now, they come because they feel the same way.Exactly, and so.
Like I did it myself, I've been doubted, and I still believed enough in myself to get things.Exactly, so now I speak, like now I perform with, what's the thing called that you sit the mic on?Mike Stan.Mike Stan, yeah, my fault.
I had a brain fart, my fault.But yeah, so now I come out, Mike Stan, like, I show you my intro now, you be like, okay, yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy.If you can pull my Instagram up, you actually can see it.
Yeah, let's pull it up, and I'm gonna come see tonight, man, and we'll get you out there.Yeah, make sure y'all follow me at Big X Da Plug as well.Oh, yeah.
Wow, bro, that's so exciting, man.It's really awesome to see just you have so many neat opportunities.
That first one right there, there you go.Shout out to my cameraman, Trace Owens, man.
I should've rapped, bro.Damn, I should've.You should've rapped.
That's crazy.I should've got in.
I had a little bit of a chance, but I didn't.
But hey, it happens.If you ask me, this is the easiest thing I've ever done in my life.No cap.If it wasn't for all the extra stuff that come with it, this is the easiest money I've ever made in my life.
It's different when you gotta lie and make up stuff, because that's a whole other process you gotta do.But when you're just talking about what you've done, what you've went through, that's just coming off my head.
I don't gotta think, oh, what would sound, you know what I'm saying?I don't have to do that.If you're staying true to your own life, then you don't have to manipulate anything.Exactly, and it's just so much easier.
You can go in the studio, you're basically writing a story about yourself.It's easy.
Man, that's a great, it's interesting.I think people can understand what you're talking about, too.They can, you just communicate so well that I think it just, it reaches a lot of people, you know?X, congrats on all the success, man.Appreciate it.
Yeah, congrats on the tour.
Album out now, man, y'all make sure y'all keep running that take care of.We got only three days in the tour.We still got 29 more dates.And a lot of these are sold out by now.
Yeah, a lot of these are sold out, so y'all try to get in where y'all can fit in. Oh, definitely get those meet and greets.
Yeah, how do you guys do that after the shows?
I try to do them before the show because after I'm all sweaty, so I like to do it before.But I don't know, I also feel like after it's more like,
Genuine, you know I'm saying before I feel like it's me It's just kind of like trying to give it up and this is coming from this is me being honest about me Yeah before it's kind of just feel like it's like I'm going through the my old sound check then meet and greet But after the show, it's like it's just more genuine cuz you tired and it's just the real you know You got the show already exactly and they've gotten to see it too exactly exactly so it's like whenever they come up like I
I had a guy, a grown man last night, walk up on me and tell me, bro, I love you.I appreciate you because of what you got going.You helped me, I love you.Told me he loved me twice, you know?So it's like that's real love.
Before, if we would've did the meet and greet before, he wouldn't have went through the show.He said, I might love you.Yeah, yeah, hey, great job.If you wouldn't have said it, I would've got it, but.
He listened to the show, he listened to the lyrics.
Yeah, after that, the energy's been there.There's been that connection.I think a lot of people, you don't think about it from their perspective, though.They're just excited to get to see you.
Some people, it's like you want to hear their music, but also I think you just want to be in the same building as them.And I think that's some of the energy that you have, I think.Some people, it's just their songs.
Yeah, I want to go listen for their songs.I don't know if I really have a sense of them as a person.But to me, it feels like, and it's just my thoughts, that there's something else where people are like, oh, I also want to be in the same room as him.
I just, you know, I feel like it's... And it's different when you got like, when you're actual, like when you're genuine, like you're humble.It's, you know, it's just you, it's actually you.It's not no...
You know what I'm saying, when you're just taking a picture, getting them out the way, you know, you enjoyed the show, how did you like the show, what was your favorite part of the show, appreciate you coming out, man.
People love that, that makes them feel like they're a person and you're a person, you know what I'm saying?When you taking a picture and moving them all out the way, that just makes it seem like you're a robot, like the machine is running you.
Oh, yeah.And these days, some of the best artists, it's just everything is outside of the machine.The machine's dirty, man.
That's why I feel like everything that we're doing right now is historic.You're doing it yourself?Because it's all us.We're doing it completely independent.Who's your team?
I mean, I know a lot of them are right here, but just... Okay, so I got a distribution deal through United Masters.Okay.So they don't do nothing but distribute my music.I mean, they gave me a small marketing budget.You know what I'm saying?
Nothing too major, like a major label. They pay for everything.This tour, I paid for out of my pocket.The bus, $200,000 on a bus.I know, dude.That bus is damn expensive.I take the whole bus.Wait.
Yeah, that's... Greyhound is $60, bro.$60, yep.To get to Rochester.That's smart. Or FedEx, you mail yourself overnight check.
You know what I mean?I don't know, but I just feel like, I don't know, I'm kind of glad we did the West Coast, you know, it's just.
No, you have to do it.You have to, it's hard to start to spend that money on yourself.
Like we, Tool Boy Comedy, we just got back from Montana, some different places, but it's like, you just, cause at a certain point you're investing just in your own, you have to be comfortable.
You can't show up like you're like rattled, you know, it's like, cause you have to put the show on.
No, you're right, you're right.
Not trying to preach at you, I just, I tried to nickel and dime.We fucking was on motorbikes one time.We was on all kind of shit trying to save money, man.We had a camper, we had all kind of shit, man.
Nah, for sure.Nah, yeah, I mean, this was cheaper than flying everybody everywhere, so.Yeah.And we just, I just, I went through the Sprinter experience and I just couldn't do that again.It's hard.Amen.
Yeah, we did all that Vans, Sprinter.And then finally, you just have to make sure you're comfortable enough to show up.Wow.Well, what a journey, Big X. Thanks for just letting us enjoy your music, man.I love just how humble you are, man.
And just, yeah, people to people, man.That's all we are really doing.
take care tour and you can get the album you get you still have if it's sold out there may still be meet and greet tickets available for sure and uh i know you're just gonna keep adding more dates man you're gonna be a busy man yes sir we're working we're working yeah i'm glad i got to catch you today man yes sir i appreciate you for having me all right blessings
When I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take
