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because normal music has definitive begin.What's so funny?Watch me in the math.It's so it's a child's mask.And so it's like scratching my eyeballs and I'm doing this for you.Video, video.
Anyway, so yeah, I think there's something cool here of like, yeah, this is a mess of my, I can't fit my normal headphones under my hat.So I'm using my like digital headphones, which have like a two millisecond delay.
So I'm like almost stumbling over every word I'm saying right now.My eyeballs are on fire. This is a mess.That's what we do for Halloween.
Happy Halloween!What is up ghosts and ghouls of the internet?Welcome back to another episode of the WayInformed podcast.
I know that you're watching this on November 1st or possibly even later, but for us right now as of recording, it's spooky season, baby.It's Halloween.Cue the music.
I guess they didn't.I was kind of hoping they had something.
Adam looked like he was reaching for something.Anyway. Uh, we are your host.I'm David.And I am Andrew.And, uh, Marquez has to be out today because he dressed up as a skeleton and then he just became a skeleton.
And, uh, you know, that sounds like he died.I would have used zombie because he's sick.Well, if he was a zombie, he could have walked here.He's actually, he is walking from his apartment house.Right.Okay.Anyway.Oh, there we go.There's the music.
I don't like the like heartbeat.
Is this going to get us demonetized? No.
Royalty free.Anyway, in this episode, we have a lot of stuff.
It's not royalty free.We just paid for it.
Oh, okay.Anyway, in this episode, we got a lot of stuff going on.Apple had a whole week of releasing new Macs.So we're going to talk about all that.Nintendo dropped a number of apps this week as well, which was very random.
And then we'll wrap it up with more Pokemon stuff.But first, We're all wearing Halloween costumes.
We are, audio listeners, we are all wearing Halloween costumes.They already knew that, what do you mean?How?You can hear it.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.Screaming.Who wants to go first?
I feel like I'm the most recognizable here.So a surprising amount of the pieces of my costume were labeled Zorro.But no, I am famed criminal enemy of Mayor McCheese.I'm the Hamburglar.Commit crimes. Do it.I've been prepared for this one for years.
I am dressed as Wirt from Over the Garden Wall.It's a Cartoon Network show.That's amazing and everyone should watch it.I thought it was a book.
I don't know what you're thinking of.First I thought you were a RuneScape character.Then I realized that made no sense.
Pretty good.What?Oh, thank you.Did they already, did they release that?That limited series?
Dear listener, if it is November 3rd when you are listening to this, go watch the stop motion special that Cartoon Network is dropping on YouTube.
Wait, Adam, that's really on point.I know.I am worried.It's really good.Is that, did you make that cape or?
No, no, this came from, I want to say Amazon or something.The Washington Post? No, you are off point with that though.
Normally Zuri's here dressed as the frog and my fiance Jess is dressed as Greg.So as a unit, we are the characters.Can you send a photo?Yeah.Put it in the podcast.Okay, cool.For all the beautiful people out there.Today, it's just me.
So if you know, you know.
It's one of those.Just wort.Yeah, just wort.Andrew, what is your costume? I am an axolotl.It is a amphibian.
Weirdly, I only know about it because there's a disc golf player named Simon Lizotte who has his signature disc that's got an axolotl on it, and it's everyone's favorite version of this disc.
And then I just happened to be trying to buy a Halloween costume for Lane, and I thought it was really cute, so then I just bought one for myself.Also, I have a tail, too.
Listen, he's standing up and holding up his tail.Are we gonna get demonetized?
Yeah, exact same color and everything.I can't wait to go trick-or-treating tonight.Yeah, it's gonna be very cute.
Fun fact, during the pandemic when we were all at home, I released a short story children's book about an axolotl. Wait, what?Yeah, I know.Wait, you released it?I've lived many lives.Is it on Amazon?Yeah, it's on Amazon.No way.
It was like a self-published thing.Wait, that's amazing.Do you have a print of it?
Could I read it to Wayne?No, you cannot.David, you're up.Okay, I have to stand up for this one, because you have to see the whole thing.Okay.
Do you want me to, hold on.Wait, yeah.I'm going to describe what David's wearing, and then audio listeners, along with video listeners, can try and guess at the end.
We'll give you like 30 seconds.
Stop doing the dishes, and just picture what he's doing.Just like, yeah.Imagine this.Okay, David O'Mell. Sleek fur jacket, kind of croppy, would I say?Like a little short, big collar, unzippered with really nice bell-bottom maroon pants.
Serving looks.Yeah, giving very serving looks.And then on his shirt is a bunch of words from magazines.
And now, David, do you want to tell us what you are?All right.
What happens when you have words all over yourself and you're also a model?You're a language model. Yeah, nice.
Is that?Yeah.You wore that this weekend, right?I did.Well, no, I wasn't going to say.Mixed results.Well, so here's my question.When someone came up to you and said, what is that?Did you say language model or did you say what happens when it works?
I said the latter.This is the most Bay Area.
This is like you walking around with a can of Febreze and an Optimus Prime action figure, and you're like, I'm a diffusion transformer.
That's right, baby.Yeah, well, look, I told everyone at the party it was going to kill on the podcast, so I hope it is.I hope it is.So it's up to you all.Yeah, most people got kind of annoyed, because look, I also am annoyed at these language models.
Wait, people got annoyed at you?Yeah, it was sort of like a... Oh, you're one of those guys.
No, no, no, no.Just because we covered this.
Anyway, whatever.So OK.We did our costumes.Marques is dead for Halloween.Sick.Zombie.Zombie.It'll be here eventually.Anyway, we should get into the news of this week.We got a lot of Nintendo coverage this week, which is actually amazing.
We have both the Nintendo music streaming app.
Yes, this dropped this morning as of recording.And also, the Pokemon trading card game Pocket for mobile, which is crazy.It's been a great week for me and my inner child.Dude, for real.
So, the Nintendo Music Streaming app is basically this app that you can have on your phone that looks a lot like Spotify. It looks a lot like YouTube music too.It's like Spotify and YouTube music had a baby.
Yeah, and it just has like most of the tracks from like most of the games.
And there's going to be more coming later.
And I think that Nintendo knows that people love this iconic music.I mean, in every Super Smash Brothers Brawl game, there was like a music section where you could just listen to music from the various games.
And I spent so much time just like listening to Animal Crossing music as a kid.
Dude, I have, okay, so this is gonna be, turn into a mini me rant.I'm ready.So if you don't care, skip forward two minutes.Yeah.
So every year my top artist on Spotify wrapped is always some random game developer that makes music because I always listen to gaming soundtracks when I'm, even when I'm editing, I'll have it like really low in the background while I'm switching camera angles and stuff for the podcast.
If I'm writing or editing pictures or anything, I'm always having that kind of music behind me, just small 8-bit gaming music.So every year, that's what it is.I have a whole playlist dedicated to it.
Now, this app is included if you have Nintendo Music Online, which is only $4 a month or something like that.I think it's like $20 a year. Really?I get charged like $4.33 every month, so maybe I didn't do the yearly option.
But whatever it is, it's like, is that the cheapest music streaming service right now?
With the smallest library also?Well, I pay $2 a month for Spotify because I have a family plan.
Yeah, but family plan is like actually $60.You just hacked it.Or whatever it costs, like $28.99 or something.I don't know. I think this might be the cheapest one.And for me personally, but it only has video games.That's all I listen to.
That's what I'm saying.Like, this is so good for me.
Yeah.Four dollars a month.You're right.There's something else that's kind of interesting here, which is as someone who went to music school video game.
Shut up.This is my time.You're right.You're right.You're right.
Video game music is written really differently than all other music, because it serves a really different function.One of the interesting things about video game music is that this mask is so itchy.
Dude, I'm hot as hell in this right now.
One of the things that's really interesting about video game music is that it's written to be layered, and it's written to be open-ended.Because in theories, a player could spend an infinite amount of time in an area.
And that music needs to loop seamlessly.And there's something cool about the idea of a music streaming app that only streams music that's designed to be ambiently looped.Which they added features for.So I saw that, but if there was some sort of...
thing that they could incorporate here that could plug into your phones, knowing what you're doing at all times, which it does, and could actively do the same blends and fades and layers that a game engine is doing, because the game engine knows that your character is doing all the time.
It could be a really cool way to like, and you couldn't do this with normal music because normal music has definitive begin.What's so funny?Watch me in the math.
It's a child's mask.And so it's like scratching my eyeballs.And I'm doing this for you, video.Anyway, so yeah, I think there's something cool here of like, this is a mess.I can't fit my normal headphones under my hat.
So I'm using my like digital headphones, which have like two millisecond delays.So I'm like almost stumbling over every word I'm saying right now.My eyeballs are on fire.This is a mess. That's what we do for Halloween.
Well, I mean, speaking of the looping features, they actually introduced a number of really interesting features into this app.So you can loop songs or extend tracks for 15, 30, or 60 minutes.
I wanted to ask you about this.Do you think, you know how in Adobe there's like that remix feature?
I used to use that all the time in Android Authority videos.
And you just like, if you have a three minute song and your video is four minutes, you just stretch it out to four minutes and it like ambiently kind of makes it sound like a Smooth transition to a four-minute track.
Yeah, do you think that's what this is doing?Or did they record 50 30 minute versions 60 minute versions?
It says Select tracks 15 30 and 60 minutes and I think in games like Animal Crossing where there's just music infinitely I think there are parts like Ellis was saying like in the song where it kind of like fades into a thing and they naturally made it so it's able to loop in certain areas and
So I think that they just like they have those chunks and they can just blend them together Like very easily video game music is like the easiest music to do this with I know like ambient part of it Yeah, no all of it like because because the the whole thing when you're writing video game music is when you're scoring a film You have definitive times with right when things change Yeah, when you're scoring a game a guy your character could walk into a new area at literally any point in the tracks
So you have to it has to be written in such a way that it can blend into any other piece of music completely seamlessly.
What I was trying to say is like intro music into something or like something that's very specifically like the cut scene opening of something might not be able to do that because it's like.
The default open one where there's like the ambient walking around music.
Yeah, I mean like probably it has to be whatever I think they take advantage of Loading times because if you like walk into a new area it kind of fades and then it goes You know like in Zelda or something.
That's that's sort of what I meant with when I said layering like a lot of this music will have like you can't really think of a piece of music as like one thing in the same way you do with a film score a normal song where there will be hits and Moments and cutscene moments that are designed to come in and out at any possible point over that ambient light ambient layer Yeah, I think this is really cool picture.
Like this is a little Big Brother II but picture like you guys You guys both go to the gym.You go to the gym, too.You guys are all gym boys.I went to a gym yesterday.
So picture, like, you're wearing your watch and your watch knows, like, oh, his heart rate just went up.He must have just done some pre-workout.Oh, he's like, he's clearly, like, changing into gym clothes.
And your AirPods just start going, da-dun, da-dun, da-dun, da-dun, da-dun.
There's been years of people doing like what if my life had me like a Soundtrack to it.
So it would be that would be so sick if this can plug in your health data Nintendo you might be sitting I mean Nintendo is always sitting on a goldmine and not you doing anything with it.I
Well, that's why they made this so okay to address so some people I posted about this some people were kind of upset that this exists Some people think that now that Nintendo is putting out their own app with the official music They're going to use this as a way to like copyright strike people who have uploaded Nintendo music on YouTube
Which is how we've been listening to it forever.
Yeah, most people have been you know I don't think they're gonna go after like the remixes like people make KK slider music of anything like there was a there was a Charlie XCX brat KK slider that was freaking amazing
I don't think they're going to do that, but Nintendo are traditionally extremely hardcore about copyright.So we'll see.I don't think this necessarily changes anything because they already owned the copyright of the music.
And people who are just uploading straight songs from Nintendo, you have to understand at some point that could be taken down.
So can I just say that whoever is running Nintendo right now is doing an amazing job because it is the holiday season.Yeah.And they have released an alarm clock and a music streaming app.
I think this is kind of like what's really cool about this is like how Adam says he he uses it.And have you ever heard how Marquez says like
He doesn't do it as much now that we have so many people in the office, but when he used to work, he made sure the music that he was playing wasn't in English, because he said if it was in English, he would be paying too much attention to the lyrics, and it would take him away, so he'd listen to a lot of French music.
This is really good background ambient music that's not going to distract you, but still keep you in a not-silent space.
And it's already included in your Nintendo membership.
Is it, that's what I also wanna know.
If you have an Nintendo online account, which I do, because you need it to play like Brawl online, or not Brawl, Jesus.You need to play Super Smash Bros.Ultimate online.So I have it, and it's included in that.
It's just so interesting to me that I feel like they really know who their customers are.
I was gonna say, I think a lot of people who want this probably have that online subscription already.And then it's $4 by itself outside of that, or you're saying, okay.
Yeah, well, no, sorry $4.Just I'm gonna do online subscription.
Okay, it's just included in I thought you were saying to just get this now $4 a month, which I thought spelled a lot.But yeah real quick.
What is everyone's favorite?Nintendo soundtrack.Okay, cuz we were Mario Galaxy Yes Excellent choice.That is number two for me.What come on man.We channel, baby.I
Okay, that's iconic, but that doesn't make it like the best.That's the best.There's a whole station for it on this app It's its own thing.
That's so funny No, I mean it's a look it's iconic I don't know if it's the Super Mario Galaxy music literally makes me want to cry it is really not even joking like it's so good my
Yeah, I was going to say, for me, it's Galaxy 2, because that score is amazing.
No, no, not Super Mario Galaxy 2.Like, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is my number two.Oh, got it.But I think it's sort of an even split for me between, like, the Wii system music, because it is, like, unreal how good it is.And then Wii system music.
Mario Galaxy, and then I think Twilight Princess.Dude, Twilight Princess music is amazing.Unbelievable score.There's some pieces in that that are so creative and inventive.Yeah.Oh my gosh.
In like 2012 or, I don't know, 2010, they came out with a 25th anniversary orchestral soundtrack for Zelda music in general. And, uh, I bought the CD that it came on and it was, it's just incredible.You can listen to it online.
The Gerudo Valley, like live orchestral version is just incredible.Nintendo goes hard for orchestral music for their, for their games.And it's, it's great.
Wait, Andrew, what's your favorite?
So I grew up with a PlayStation. but my friend had an N64 and like my favorite song or the most nostalgic song probably doesn't even count because it's from GoldenEye.So like, it's probably just, it's just a James Bond song.
I remember Wave Race having good music, but like I couldn't specifically pull any of it.
You're not wrong, I think. As far as sound design or music design or creative audio branding goes, the PlayStation is the king.Especially the first three PlayStation systems.
I think one of the most genius creative decisions ever made by a human person is making the PS3 startup sound and orchestra tuning. There's like so much.
It makes you feel like, oh my God, like something complex and beautiful is coming to life in front of me.And then, you know, you play PlayStation, but damn.
Um, PlayStation two I had as a kid.That's the only, that's the only Sony console I've ever owned was PlayStation two.And that startup sound is freaking cool.It's like, yeah. Dude.
Funny enough, I went from a PlayStation to an Xbox and then totally ditched PlayStation after that.
But yeah, it was.Yeah.Every time I booted that up as a kid, I was like, I'm living in a different universe than everybody else.Seriously.It was incredible.One more feature on this app that is very interesting is they have a spoiler free toggle.
So the idea is that if you want to play a Nintendo, like they have all these playlists, right? And Nintendo generates the playlist, you can create playlists.
But if there's a game that you haven't played yet, and you want to like experience the music as it happens, which to me, Nintendo music is like a huge part of the game.I've been playing the new Zelda game, Echoes of Wisdom.
Every time I only play it while actually being able to listen to the music because it's such like a deep in my chest experience So basically there's a spoiler toggle where you're like, I haven't played these games yet And I want to experience them while playing the game So it filters out the music from do you still like them or does it know it from your library?
You tell it?Okay.Yeah, you tell it You just say I want to play these that's awesome.
It's cool.It's like no.No, I totally get very thoughtful feature.
Yeah, there's a in runescape there's something called the music cape because like it's a skill cape which are these things you unlock when you only reach the like highest level of a skill, but
new areas and new quests unlock different songs in RuneScape which RuneScape songs are awesome because one they're all copyright free and everybody can use them whenever and some of them just slap yeah and but every time you unlock every song yeah you get a cape that has like a harp on it and you unlock it called the music cape i think it's called that's awesome yeah
Damn.We love old school RuneScape.
We love old school RuneScape.We love old school RuneScape.
I love that that became a meme.Alright, I think that we're going to take it to trivia, then we're going to talk about all the Apple announcements of this week, so take it away.
Spooky trivia.I knew it.I knew you had done something special for it.I always do something special.
All right, spooky Halloween trivia.Let's get it.So question one, if my eyes.The most polarizing and delicious Halloween candy. Candy corn was invented in the late 1880s and originally sold as the candy version of what common farm animals food.
That's right, the original name for it was blank feed.
I have an idea.Imagine a trough full of candy corn.
What do you think is going on in my apartment?
No way!Dude, wax is delicious.
Polarize my ass.I've never seen a 4 for 4 candy corn.I don't know how you couldn't like it.
Did you all know that's what he was gonna say?When he said the most polarizing candy, what came into your head at first?I thought Tootsie Rolls.I thought Tootsie Rolls.Tootsie Rolls?What's polarizing about a Tootsie Rolls?I hate Tootsie Rolls.
I don't care that I'm passing candy out to these kids this year.Have some Tootsie Rolls.Especially the flavored Tootsie Rolls.Andrew!
I'm just saying, I don't dislike them, but if I get the white Tootsie Roll, I'm like, this person doesn't care about Halloween.
The white Tootsie Roll in a blue wrapper?
I've never heard of that before.
There's a ton of Tootsie Roll flavors.
Guys, this is a bad opinion.
I didn't say, no, no, no, no, no.I did not say I disliked them.I said they're a polarizing candy.Clearly.I hate them.
No, I think candy corn is the thing that people are either like, I'm going to devour 10 pounds of this, or they're going to be like, that is foul.And there's very few in between.
Ordinary Sausage did do a candy corn sausage.
Shout out Ordinary Sausage, one of the best small creators on YouTube.He's got like 800,000 subs now.Damn small.All right, nevermind.
But anyway, I think we should take a break.Hit the commercial.Hit the commercial and we'll talk about apples.
Adam's hat kind of looks like a candy corn.That's true.See you in a sec.I can't believe how good that cape is.
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All right, welcome back.Marques was nice enough since he went to a quick Apple briefing in LA, which is probably half the reason he's sick, because he traveled way too much in the last week.But he went and got to see some of the new products.
We all got to see just the releases, because they've been doing it throughout this week.Apple's been launching Mac products every day, essentially, this week.So we're going to talk about all of them.But first, Marques recorded a four-minute
little video about what he saw.So we're going to watch it and then we're David and I are just going to talk about it without Marques afterwards.So let's hit it.
Let her rip.All right.What's up, PodCrew?I hope you're doing great.I hope you're doing great.I know I'm out for the moment, but I couldn't help but weigh in on some of the new announcements from Apple this week.
So instead of an event like last year, but that scary fast Mac event we had in October, This time we had a week of press releases, so a string of press releases and also videos to go with them.
Kind of feels like they cut up what would have been an event into several days long of chatter online, but basically now the entire Mac lineup has got M4 updates, so that's what we're here to talk about.
I have a couple reactions to them and I'll leave you with these thoughts and maybe you'll have some stuff to add or some reactions or devil's advocate, who knows.But okay, I wrote them down.First thing,
Oh, Apple intelligence is like headlining all of these updates, which is interesting to me, maybe even a little bit misleading because it feels like, I mean, you can get Apple intelligence on any older, not any older, but lots of older Macs.
But if you look at the headlines or like Apple intelligence is here, but that's not really coming with the M4 chip.So that's kind of. interesting that they're selling Apple intelligence so hard.Anyway, first Mac update that came was the iMac.
The new iMac is now updated with the M4 chip, now 16 gigs of RAM or memory base.It's the exact same design and it has slightly slightly new colors just to be able to say they changed the design.So great, still a rainbow of colors.
And there's also now a nanotexture option on the display, which I actually don't think most people getting an iMac are actually interested in.
I mean, these are still like the every-person, all-in-one, put it in the kitchen, the living room type of computer.It's a better computer, but it's not really a gigantic update here. We got Mac Mini.
Mac Mini was interesting to me because I think it's maybe now, at the base price, the best deal in Apple's entire lineup of products.That's phones, computers, tablets, everything they make.
I think the base Mac Mini for $599 with the 16 gigs of memory is the best deal. A really, really good computer.It's tiny now.It's a 5 inch by 5 inch cube.Hard to overstate how small that is.It's closer and closer to the size of an Apple TV.
It's really incredibly small.I think that would only be possible with these new chips.So it gets the M4 chip, gets the extra memory. And it loses all the full-size USB-A ports, but has USB-C on the front and a headphone jack on the front now as well.
Every single price upgrade, if you look on Apple's website for it, is pretty expensive.Like the second you get off of the base price, you're overpaying for memory and storage and all that.But the base Mac Mini, really interesting.
We'll be getting that to review pretty soon. You also got then the one that I am personally tempted by, which is the MacBook Pro.So M4, M4 Pro, M4 Max.This is the one I'm interested in because I have actually been holding out.
I'm doing air quotes because I edit maybe three or four videos a year on the MacBook Pro.But I've been using the M1 Max MacBook Pro, and it's been great.It's been totally fine.16 inch. Maxed out, has 64 gigs of memory.
But this new one makes all the right updates in all the right places.It's got now this new M4 Max version, which is allegedly two times faster than mine.
You know, twice as fast graphics, better neural engine, up to 128 gigs max memory, Thunderbolt 5, faster I.O.for the drives I use, and of course the Space Black.So it's speaking to me.I'm very interested in the new MacBook Pros.
All of this, of course, we're hoping to get our hands on and review pretty soon, but the last thought I really have... is that maybe the most underrated thing about this M4 Mac update is that every Mac now starts at 16 gigs of unified memory.
It was all eight before.And I know that's decent enough for most people, but I think starting at 16, which is probably because of Apple intelligence, is actually gonna make a pretty big deal for a lot of people.
It makes a lot of the base price versions a much better deal. So anyway, those are my initial thoughts, just seeing all the new stuff.I'm curious what you guys think.And also send me attribute questions. Just send them to me.
Okay.I think that's all I had to say.Oh no.Oh no.I have many problems to talk about.
Well, first, first thing I want to say, which is just about the video he sent is Marques is sick and still records a video with like a swooping intro on the camera and he doesn't miss.He just, it's habit now.Pure YouTuber through and through.
When he answers a FaceTime call, he does the same thing.
I forgot I was making a video.Hand over the camera.Do you have any initial thoughts and then I think we can go through each one individually?Yes.
What's your biggest ones and then we could maybe group the other ones when we're individually.Like the most exciting announcements for me?
Or specifically what Marques said before we go into each individual thing, just so we can keep somewhat of a order here.
Yes, I think it made sense for them to make this a press release system because everything is basically based around the chips.And so it would be hard to do a whole event where they just talk about the same chip but in like three different devices.
Yeah, and his point of it being what could have been an event but just cut up, The reason that would be hard is because they zoomed into the exact same little hot hole part on every single video, I think.So that would have been a little weird.
But I overall agree with what you both said.
And it keeps the hype up all week for a number of products.Like each day, people are talking about a different product from Apple.I think that was a good move by then.
Yeah, so why don't we just go through all the different announcements and we can go through it based on the day that they were announced.Sure.Cool. So iMac was Monday.M4 chip was the biggest update.
People were talking about the colors, which is kind of funny.
At work, it said all new colors.And one person was like, the green is new.And someone else was like, the purple's new.
And then we were reading the press release for so long, trying to figure out which one was new, until we found this comparison photo that Basic Apple guy posted of like, they all are new.They're just a little different.
They're pretty much all new, except for the silver. Yes, exactly.It's the same right?I think it's the same all of them are but it's hard cuz I Are they all mute?
I would say they're more pastel Yeah, they're more pastel than they were before.
I do really like the green
The green is very cool.I think that in a elementary school, it would look fire, man.
This is like my old computer lab in elementary school with all the G three.Yeah.I'm actually three.Yeah.
We had those two amazing.Okay.So, um, obviously it got the M four chip is now standard with 16 gigabytes of memory. configurable up to 32 gigabytes.
Obviously, Marquez talked about 16 gigs of memory across the board being a big deal, and they even start all the MacBook Airs now at 16 gigs when you buy them online for the same price, the same base price, which is good.
Obviously, Apple is trying to push everything towards Apple Intelligence, and you need more memory for that.
Yeah, they said specifically on this iMac, it's the world's best all-in-one for AI and is built for Apple Intelligence.Okay. We're gonna hear a lot about that for the next year.
Yeah, so I wrote down in here and maybe we can read through them and yeah, but The press release and the like the video just had the most interesting comparison performance comparisons I've seen and I just kind of quoted a bunch of them because some of them are silly and it's it like shows us where we are performance wise but also just feels a little silly.
So I'll read some of them and you can react to what they are saying.The new iMac is up to 1.7 times faster than iMac with M1.There wasn't M2 and an M3 iMac, right?
There was an M3, there was no M2.But the funny thing is that, I mean, not the funny, it kind of makes sense for them to do this because you don't upgrade your home desktop computer that often.Especially like why would you upgrade from an M1 to an M4?
Agree, but it is still funny that they're not also, They very well could have put 1.7 times faster than iMac with M1, and they could have put, and still, 20% faster than iMac with M3, so we have an idea between those.But I also do agree.Marketing.
Marketing.Marketing.iMac with M4 handles more intense workloads, like photo editing and gaming, up to 2.1 times faster than iMac with M1.
They did make a big deal about the gaming stuff.That's a big movement, that's a big market that they're trying to capture.They now have the gaming adaptive converter thing that basically can make your game run well on Metal.
And I think they're trying to talk to a lot of studios to get them to do it.They talked a lot about this game Control, which I saw at the event had a bunch of stations set up so you could play it. So, yeah.
Cool.Neural engine is three times faster than M1, iMac on M1.There is up to 1.7 times faster performance in apps like Excel and 1.5 times faster browsing performance in Safari compared to iMac with M1.
What do either of those things mean tangibly?
The only thing I can think of with Excel is, have you seen the Excel games, like the pro Excel players, where they get a list of all these things, like delete all the green columns, and they do it as fast as possible?
David Pierce did an amazing piece on the Excel World Championships.
Did he really?A video or a newsletter?
I think it's just an article.
I need to read that.But it's amazing.Awesome. Gamers can enjoy incredibly smooth gameplay with two times higher frame rates than iMac with M1.The theme here is they're comparing to M1.This is my favorite.
Compared to the most popular 24-inch all-in-one PC with latest Intel Core 7 processor, the new iMac is up to 4.5 times faster.
That's so ambiguous.It is wild.The most popular 24, what are they referring to?
Most popular 24-inch all-in-one PC.
They just say Intel Core 7.Intel Core 7.
But what is the most popular?
Who knows?The most popular one could be the most popular because it's cheap and has terrible specs.
There are not that many all-in-one Intel computers anymore.
No, like when I think of all-in-ones, I think, do they even make the Microsoft Studio anymore?
The Surface Studio, they don't make the newest.They don't make the two, well they do still make it, I think.I think they still make it, but it's insanely outdated.
Dell makes an Inspiron i7 and Lenovo makes a Idea Center i7.It seems like HP also has an i7.
Yeah, which to me, to me that says about a corporation bought 100,000 of them. Which is like the absolute base.
Yeah, they didn't years Yeah, I just also thought this was funny because I think it was literally last episode So we were talking about the Apple graphs and like how it compares poorly to like random windows It's almost like they never compared to Windows laptop or Windows computers.
It's only ever past Mac things and then immediately.Yeah, I and they have in the past.I know they do both, but they always throw one shot of a completely unmarked graph compared to a computer we have no idea what they're talking about.
And then, compared to the most popular Intel-based iMac model, the new iMac is up to six times faster.I actually think that's a great quote because they're probably...
I think you know how you said not a lot of people are updating from M3 to M4, but even as a desktop computer, the M1 to M4 upgrade is very quick.I think most people using a desktop use that for probably closer to 10 years.
So comparing it to Intel based iMacs, this is a wildly different and six times faster is awesome.
Yeah, that's a pretty big deal.They also added this nanotexture option, which they added across the line.
We'll get to the MacBook Pro's later, but it's $200 on the iMac and $150 on the MacBook Pro, which this all makes things very funny because the Pro Display XDR, which by the way, still needs an update.It's very old now.
It's $1,000 to add it on the Pro Display.
So it's kind of funny that it's like, okay, well this isn't that much smaller and it's only 200.So, yeah.They're clearly overcharging for the Pro Display XDR.I mean, that display is so expensive.And it's not even an OLED.
it's like still you know so anyway it's perfect yeah um quick question yeah do you have anything else about imac uh basically just the accessories oh we did kind of talk about the rumor that they're all moving to usbc yes we got confirmation that the magic mouse is still on the bottom which i think we've gotten to a point now the port sorry the usbc port's still on the bottom
I think we've gotten to the point because Marquez tweeted about it that now people are like, why are you still harping on it?It's we like the magic mouse now.So maybe we like the magic mouse now.
I mean, how far deep we are down this rabbit hole.We've come full circle now that objectively bad design is like, OK, it's fine, whatever.
It's funny.It's a funny thing because you can't use your mouse when it's dead.But like Ellis has mentioned previously, if you just wait five minutes, it'll be charged for as long as you need to use your computer and then just charge it.
I just want to throw in there like how many tech products could you say just wait five minutes and it'll work and you wouldn't be upset with that?That's fair.
I think almost every tech product, we're in a point where five minutes is an excruciatingly long time.But I still... Yeah.
So they updated the Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboard with USB-C, which is, thank goodness, because now I don't have to borrow a USB-C to lightning cable from Adam every single time I need to charge my stuff.But what about the Magic Trackpad?
Did it not say anything about that?
Oh, they do have a USB-C magic trackpad.
Okay, good.That's actually one that I do want, because I don't use the mouse or keyboard, but I do use the trackpad, and I have one lightning port for that.
So they have a ton of colors for the mouse and keyboard, too, to match the Macs, so it's pretty nice.And then I think they also, you get four Thunderbolt 4 ports on the computer,
Okay, was it two before, two Thunderbolt and two USB-C?Do you remember?I'll look it up while Ellis is about to say something.
I just want to say two things.One, random mid-episode trivia. How long does it take to charge a Magic Mouse to have five hours?Five hours.Five minutes of usable time.Or excuse me.Well, you know, I'll give it the benefit of four hours.
How long does it take to get four hours of Magic Mouse usage from dead?Three minutes.Wrong.One minute.It takes 60 seconds. If you cannot stop what you're doing, that means you get two hours and 30 seconds.
The only people that are complaining about this, I'm sorry, I'm sorry if I offend you, you're gamers, you're gamers.And you know what you gamers deal with?You open your stupid call of duty and you see, oh, oh God, 70 gigabyte update.
Sorry boys, I'll see you tomorrow.That's fine.But all of a sudden I gotta wait one minute.
But, Tim Cook does use a Logitech MX Master.
I have a Logitech MX Master.There are plenty of times, once every two months, sure, where I come in in the morning and it's dead.And all I need to do is plug it in and I can keep using it.I can just go about my day.I don't need to wait 60 seconds.
I know, but, okay, here's the thing.I love the Logitech MX Master.I use it so often.That is a poorly designed product.It's great, but we, no one ever, I just want to say, I just like the MX Master.
Problem number one, it's only rated to a million clicks per button.That is so much less than every other competitor.Number two, we all know the MX Master is made of plastic that only lasts two weeks.
Number three, the terrible MX Master customization software doesn't allow OR statements. Or excuse me, it doesn't allow and statements.So you can, in the logic controls, you can only set two macros to do the exact same thing.
You can't set a command to go and, that thing is designed terribly.And no one is out here being like, oh, the logic, no.So everyone can shut up.
Okay, quick fact check, 10 million clicks.10 million clicks, also.Yes, but it is noticeably worse than most other mice.
I think it's rated for 10 million clicks, but I think Logitech has a notorious problem for mice getting double-clicking issues, because I know on one of the G-Pros that happened with it as well.
I just want to say, if we were not allowed to overreact about the most miniscule issue, this podcast would not exist.That is what this is for.We totally understand 99% of the stuff that comes out of our mouth is super mundane.
I also want to say, I do love the magic mouse.It's a great mouse, but okay, continue.
And Tim, Tim Cook, don't move that port.You're paying our salaries, man.
We're about to come up with a whole new bit.With that one, it was really about the design. Is it really 10 million?Did I miss a zero when I was reading the data sheet yesterday?Yeah.Because I was going deep into this.
OK.Wait, wait.Can I ask one more question to finish iMac?Yeah.What color iMac would you put in your kitchen if you had to pick?Yellow.
Let me look at the pictures again.Dude, the new yellow is ugly. The old yellow was like a burnt orange and it was great.
Well, that's probably the problem with the yellow is that it's better described as orange.
No, I mean, the old yellow was orange.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Oh, yeah.I mean, in my kitchen, you're not going to see the back of the computer.
It's got on the front, though.
The chin is the same color and the stand.I would say maybe the pink.
Pink's nice.I think I would, mine would be yellow or green because my kitchen's either green paint or like tan cabinets.
Yeah, I do like pretty much all the color swaps except for the yellow, because I liked the burnt orange. Anyway, yeah, I'm very glad that everything is now USB-C.Does that make everything in Apple's lineup USB-C now?Does that complete the circle?
I'm sure there's something.I mean, there's still the, I think they still sell the AirPods.
They still sell them, but I know what you mean.You're saying are all the updated things.
No, I'm just saying everything Apple makes, all USB-C.Like everything new that they make?Yeah.Oh, AirPods, oh no, AirPods Max have USB-C now.Even though that's all they did to them.
Does the Apple TV remote have USB-C?
No, that is, well, actually I don't know.Good question.Anyway, let's move on.Even though this is the USB-C podcast.Let's talk about the Mac mini, Tuesday.
This was the biggest kind of controversy on threads, which I find really hilarious because it's not that big of a deal.In my opinion, okay.
I think our office is divided on this.
Are we really?Jesus.Okay. Mac mini, smaller than before, but also taller.So that's kind of the weird thing.It's sort of like they squeezed it really hard and all went into the center and it's like Play-Doh, you know, it's like.It's five.
That was such a great description.Thank you.That's how I was feeling about it.It's five inches by five inches and it's two inches tall.It's pretty much the size of like two magic mice, like put right next to each other in width.
Wait, can we talk about what we think of the physical redesign of it?The size?Yeah.I feel like you said that's the most controversial thing.
No, that's not the most controversial thing.The controversial thing is the power button.
Okay, okay, yeah, sorry.Can we talk about what we think of size?That's what I mean, I think we're divided on.Oh, okay, I see.I am team new design.Okay.But you're team old design, right?
like that it's smaller in footprint, but I do like the flatter one better because it can act as a stand.
Yeah, I think, Ellis, you're team new.Yeah, I'm team new.I think cutting out, you know, I used to look at the old Mac mini and I was like, damn, there's about 600 cubic centimeters that just don't need to be here.
They did for Intel chips, because they needed cooling.No, it was a joke.But no, I do really like the new redesign.I think it looks better on a desk.
I agree I do think it looks better I do but I like the older one because it was more practical for me And I said this when we were talking about it in the studio like my personal setup I like hiding things under other things and because it was so like low to the to the desk It was easier to like slip under something
I think in like, depending on how you put this on your desk, where the real estate is on your desk, you will like it or dislike it.
Because if you have a bunch of stuff and you don't care about the height as much, then this new one's obviously better.But if you have a shelf, like you have a Grovemade shelf, right?Sliding it under that makes so much more sense.
Or do people with Mac minis, do they ever like attach them to the bottom side of a desk?
I've seen some YouTube setups where they have like a little stand, not a stand, a bracket type of thing and they like mount it.
Then the old one's way better for that because it's not taking up as much.You don't need the real estate down there.So you're losing less horizontal real estate, more vertical real estate.Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean, I think it looks pretty nice.It's fairly close to an Apple TV.The Apple TV console is, I think, like 3 point... I pulled it up here.It is 3.66 inches by 1.2, whereas the Mac Mini is 5 inches by 2 inches.So it's pretty close.
Yeah, let's go through the specs of it really quickly.So, obviously redesigned.You have two USB-C ports in the front, but they are limited to 10 gigabit per second, so they're not Thunderbolt, I believe.Yeah, they're not Thunderbolt.
And then there's a headphone jack in the front.You get Ethernet, HDMI, the wall socket port, and then three USB-C in the back.
And what's very interesting about this, as well as the MacBook Pros that we will talk about shortly, is that the three USB-C in the back are Thunderbolt 4, unless you get the M4 Pro, in which case they're Thunderbolt 5.
And Thunderbolt 5 is very, very new.The spec only got released a year ago.There's only a few devices out right now that are Thunderbolt 5.And I wrote down some things about Thunderbolt 5 that we can talk about shortly.
Default RAM is now 16 gigabytes, just like every other Apple product here, which is nice. It starts at $599, which I think, like Marques said in the video, I think the base Mac Mini is probably the best value computer right now.
But what's insane about that is that every other option that they sell is a bad value.
So, as you go through the purchasing page, the default one has the M4 chip with 10 core CPU, 10 core GPU, 16 core neural engine, has all these Thunderbolt 4, 16 gigs of RAM. but it only has 256 gigs of storage.And then, that's $599.
To go up to the next tier, which the only thing that is different is 512 gigs of storage, so they just add 256 gigs of storage, it's $200 extra.So then it's 800 bucks to get that.And then, Yeah, I know.$200 for less than a terabyte?
It's ridiculous.And then if you move up to the next tier, which is $1,000, which is almost double the price, you just get 24 gigs of RAM.
as well as the so that's 512 and 24 sorry um yeah as well as the 512 gigabytes of storage so that's another 200 just to move up to 24 gigs of ram from the 16 gigs of ram which is crazy expensive like that's ridiculous i i was thinking like you should buy a baseline mac mini you can literally i looked this up you can buy a two terabyte external i
hard drive with Thunderbolt for like $160 and it's two terabytes.But then you lose a Thunderbolt bus.Yeah, just put it in the back.Well, there's Thunderbolt four in the back.
There is.Quinn was saying.
I know, but then you only have one Thunderbolt left on the whole computer.
No, there's three Thunderbolt in the back.
Oh, are they on separate buses or are they all on one bus?Cause that, that is like a huge difference.
They're probably on separate buses, I would guess.Cause it can support three displays. So yeah.Anyway, I mean, look, I just think it's crazy how much they're charging for the additional ones.
And then M4 Pro is $1,400, which, yeah, you're getting the 12-core CPU, 16-core GPU.You're getting much more memory bandwidth, 273 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth.You can configure it up to a 20-core GPU and a 14-core CPU.
Up to 64 gigabytes of ran and 8 terabytes of storage But the benefit the big probably one of the biggest benefits of the m4 Pro chip is that you get Thunderbolt 5 which is like a pretty big deal.
What is Thunderbolt?Yeah, I was just gonna say can you explain this to me?
Let's talk about that because I don't get it.Okay? So Thunderbolt 5 is quite a bit better than Thunderbolt 4.The spec only dropped about a year ago, and there's only a few devices that can do it right now.
Thunderbolt 5 can do up to 120 gigabits per second of bandwidth, whereas Thunderbolt 4 can only do 40 gigabits per second.So it's a pretty big difference.
The actual rated spec is 80 gigabits per second, but it can reach 120 if it sacrifices receiving speed. So it's only gonna do 80 if you're polling and you're also pushing data.
But if you're just polling data, it can do 120 gigabits per second, which is really crazy.It can do three 4K displays at 144 hertz, or up to a 540 hertz display, or two 8K displays. which is pretty nuts.
Yes, Thunderbolt 5 also ups the power delivery, so Thunderbolt 4 could do up to 140 watts of power, but Thunderbolt 5, they have to deliver at least 140 watts of power, and they can go up to 240 watts of power.
So, there are Thunderbolt 5 docks that are dropping on the market right now that are just finally starting to come out.
This can be very beneficial if you're pushing around a lot of data really quickly, if you know that you want to jump onto Thunderbolt 5 SSDs, external SSDs.The thing is, you've got to pay $1400 to get that.
So, it kind of depends what you're looking for.
It is so much money.There's, you know, when I first read all this, I was super excited because if there's a lot of like small business and media like live media, there's a lot of applications where you need a lot of displays.
And that's always been something that Mac is less good at than PCs, because with a PC, you can just put in more PCI cards and just get more display controllers.
So I was really stoked to be like, oh my God, like if you own a barbershop, I don't know, and you have got four displays that you want custom stuff on, like now you could do that with one port, but man, dude, $1,400.
Yeah, $1,400.It's crazy because I, again, think the $600 Mac mini is like the best value computer out right now.
Because the regular M4 will do basically anything anyone wants.
Can I ask a newbie question as someone who's never owned a Mac mini before?
I've also never owned one of any.
Yeah, I don't know if anyone in here has owned one.
But you can ask it anyway.You have.
We've used them at work.Alright.
Does the power cable, is it just like an Edison cable or just a cable that goes from the computer straight into the wall?
So the power supply is inside that little chassis.
I'm assuming so.There is no power brick.There's no power brick.Exactly.
That's crazy.That's crazy they fit that in there.
Yeah, that's pretty wild.Okay, now we got to get to the most controversial part of this computer, which is that they put the power button on the bottom. Guys, it doesn't matter.I don't think this matters.I think it matters.
Am I on front bottom or back bottom?Back bottom.There's a graphic of someone just like kind of reaching around it.You can fit your finger underneath it.
I think the problem with it, at first I was like, this isn't an issue, but being on the back, Mac minis are so good because of the stuff you can put around them, like shelves, or you can slide them inside of shelves very easily.
And if you're all plugged in tight and cable managed in the back, and you can't reach through a shelf to get to that, and you can't pull it out now because it's managed so well, then what do you have, like a little...
poker or something.But the Mac Mini, the old Mac Mini, still had the power button on the back of it, so it was still hard to read.
Yeah, fair.Yeah, why did they?I just always thought the buttons looked nice on the Mac Minis, despite them being on the face of it, because they were like etched in almost, and like super flush with it, and it just worked really well.Yeah.
Yeah, I guess it was on the back.People have been yelling about this a lot.I don't know.Personally, I'm like, I don't ever turn off my computer unless it freezes or glitches in a weird way.I think you should turn your computer off more often.
Really?Yeah.Why? I don't know the exacts of it, but I'm pretty sure it's like good practice to fully turn a computer off.Sometimes I have to.No, no, no, no, no.
But the thing is, that's a, that's a really complicated myth that has way too many asterisks to give a simple statement.That's sort of what I feel.That's what podcasts are for, baby.For example, so if you're on a, so like on a Windows PC,
If you hit restart and restart your computer, it will clear all of the system states and you will get like clean cache, like that is good.
If you hit shut down or press the power button on a Windows PC, it will save the system states for a quicker reboot the next time.So actually the difference on a PC between shutting down your PC and sleeping your PC is pretty much the exact same.
It does negligible. to your what, like making your computer run faster, clearing anything, you have to do a full restart.On a Mac, it's like a little bit more complicated.
But I do know Apple computers hate it when you shut them down with the power button, like like they run so many more processes, and they clean up so much faster when you do restart from the Apple drop down menu.
So I think really, yeah, I think them putting the power button in the back was them being like, yo, don't touch that.
Yeah, I mean the only time that you actually need to do it is if you have to force shut it off Yeah, I don't I just want to be clear.
I'm not saying turn things off by holding the power But on most like because users prioritize a fast load time now I need to research if it's true on Mac, too But I know on most computers if you shut down a computer, it won't clear the cache.
It won't clear the RAM It is effectively the same as sleeping it if you restart those are different things
restart and shut down yes and restart is the one that makes you that you would think shutdown does they don't just do the same thing no it's but on Windows you can go into the settings and tell it to turn off the like I think the settings called like quick boot or something like that
But yeah, no restarting is definitely better than shutting down.
I often have to restart my computer before I play Dota I'm not sure why but if I like launch Dota after I've been using my computer for a while or and there's a bunch of Applications open and stuff.It just like won't load in the mouse texture.
It won't load in a lot of random stuff But if I restart it, everything's fine So yeah, it's weird.
I do listen, but I've also played dota on my MacBook Pro Try which a lot of people don't hitting instead of restart shut down and then booting your computer up and see if it works I mean that restart works fine.
I know no, but then call me so I know I'm more I'm more curious if it doesn't work Oh got it.Got it
Listener at home, if you're having an issue, call Ellis for all of your IT needs.No, no, no.
Yeah.But I don't know.I mean, personally, I'm like, this is a home computer similar to the iMac that you never really need to turn off.I saw a lot of people talking about like, oh, I turn off my computer every day.And I was like, whoa, that's wild.
I didn't know people still did that. You know, if you can do you, and I will not shame you for it, however, you don't really need to do that most of the time.
I think it's more so like the situation that Andrew was saying.I agree with that.Where like if you have to like force shut down your computer, now you just can't reach the button.
If you built it around something that makes it hard to reach the button, I understand that.
But I also totally agree that it's so minimal, and those situations you probably could just like undo a cable tie and pull it out a little bit, press it, and do it again.Yeah, yeah, right.
Andrew, what are you doing?We need to yell about something.
Listen, now I'm worried we're going to get yelled at for yelling about things.No, I mean, come on.
That happens every week.Yeah, so again, probably the best value computer you can buy right now in the standard, in the cheapest form, and a very expensive computer.
It makes me really mad. that they have different thunderbolts based on which spec you get.I just really hate when Apple does this.I get like, yeah, pay more to get a storage upgrade, pay more to get this upgrade, but don't lock something behind.
Because they've done this in the past with Wasn't it like storage speeds were different based on what spec you got of a MacBook Pro?Or was it a MacBook Air?I don't remember.I think it was the Air.
If you didn't get the higher storage, you didn't get it.
Oh, right, yeah, because they used a single NAND chip instead of two.And when you have two chips, they can read and write in parallel, so they're faster.Yeah, also something I don't like about all of the Mac Minis here is that
USB C on the front the two ports on the front are limited to USB 3 speeds Which sucks because if you're like a creator and you're like passing off a lot of storage if you want to get The fastest read and write speeds you have to hook it up in the back And if you're someone that you know build stuff around it, and it's hard to reach the back Why do you need to that's annoying put anything on an SSD when you can just airdrop it?
You don't love airdropping terabytes of footage?As someone who, when I went to Glacier National Park, took a ton of ProRes log footage.
No, on purpose.I have no idea how to get this footage onto my computer.I've tried airdropping it.I've tried connecting my phone directly to my computer.We tried burning it.
But in the end, I decided to just throw it all away. No, I still have it, and I still want to edit it.I just don't know how to get it on my freaking computer.Wait, which iPhone do you have?Uh, 16 Pro Max.
So you can plug a hard drive directly into your phone?Um, yes, but... Yes.I tried.Yeah.I don't know.I haven't done that yet.I'll do it.
It's just annoying because like, why can't I plug it?I plugged my computer directly into it and it still didn't really want to work.You're being too needy.Oh my God.Is that?Yeah.Yeah.Okay.Just look.Uh, yeah.
They should put Thunderbolt ports on the front because that's the area that you're going to want to put a Thunderbolt. At least one, because that's where you're going to want to connect your SSDs to.I agree.
Okay, MacBook Pros, there is a baseline M4 MacBook Pro, just like there was previously.They also added an additional USB-C slash Thunderbolt port to the right side of it.
So the cheapest one didn't have as many Thunderbolt ports, USB-C ports, but now this one does, which is awesome.Very cool.They now rolled out the Space Black color to all the models of the MacBook Pro.
They only had it on, I believe, the M3 Pro and Max MacBook Pros previously. Now also the 16 inch now starts at 24 gigs of RAM for the same old price, which is very cool.Although the 14 still starts at 16 gigabytes.Not really sure why.
The M4 Pro and M4 Max computers now come with all Thunderbolt 5 ports, which is awesome.
It's awesome, but again, not in the 14 inch.
Which I guess is like, this is the different.
No, the 14-inch has it.Has Thunderbolt 5?Yeah, I think so.Let me double check.This is Thunderbolt, they added a Thunderbolt 4 port on the right side.
On the cheapest, on the cheapest one.The regular M4, the regular M4.I was talking about M4 Pro and M4 Max.
But that still means the regular M4 doesn't have Thunderbolt 5.So it's the same thing they did with the, okay.
Right, but I think it's because the chip probably can't support it. Yeah, because they made the M4 chip a long time ago.And I just want to say, it's interesting that Apple is supporting a new spec so early.
They do that occasionally, like they supported USB-C very early.But yeah, it's cool seeing them support Thunderbolt 5 so early, because there's one external hard drive out right now that supports Thunderbolt 5.
Very cool, and I like that all the ports on the m4 pro and m4 max are Thunderbolt 5.I think that's really cool They have new 12 megapixel webcams that can now do center stage and desk view.
Do you think they're any good though?
Um, they're probably as good as the one on this one, which is I mean at least it's 1080p, right? I mean, remember when all the MacBook webcams are 720?Yeah.
So I think it's cool that pretty much all the cameras on all of the Mac products now can do center stage.I think it's cool.It also has that desk view mode where it basically skews and you can see directly in front of you.
Looks down like a top down.
Yeah, which is interesting because there's going to be a lot of keyboard.But we'll see how wide that can actually get. You can also now get the nanotexture display on the MacBook Pros for $150.
I think the chances that people buy the nanotexture on the MacBook Pros is much higher than them buying it on the iMac.
Because creatives are probably going to want that anti-glare, that kind of thing.
I mean, anti-glare on a portable computer makes a lot of sense.It's pretty cool, yeah.
Yeah, pretty cool.They said 2x faster ray tracing engine and neural engine and faster GPU cores.
Yeah, I think oh also they now have the new longest battery life on any Mac that isn't plugged into the wall and they're quoting 24 hours of battery life on the regular 14 inch m4 model as well as the 16 inch MacBook Pro.
Did they say 24 hours or did they say one day?
Yeah.All day battery life.Yeah, yeah.I feel like to say more than all day.
I feel like 24 hours battery life is significantly different than what I assume all day battery life means.
I mean, this is probably video playback, right?
Which is like the easiest thing to do now.
True, but still. which also makes now every time they say all day, the fact that they are aware of the fact that they say all day and 24 hours, those are not the same.
Right, right.But yeah, this is a much bigger update than the M2 to M3 Pro and Max MacBook Pros because you're now getting that bumped up RAM on the 16 inch.You're getting the option for the nanotexture display.
You're getting Thunderbolt 5 all around it.You're getting the extra port and you're getting center stage and desk view.
So just like Marques mentioned, I still don't think anyone needs to update from an M1 Pro or M1 Max MacBook Pro because the design is pretty much exactly the same.Unless you need ray tracing. It's 2x faster ray tracing, yes.
No, there's no ray tracing on the M1.Oh, on the M1, yeah.Or M2.Right, right.Yeah, but you don't need ray tracing.
Well, if you needed ray tracing, you shouldn't have bought the M1.
Well, yeah, yeah, like if you're like a blender artist, you know what I mean?Right, yeah.I have one thing to say about it.Okay, cool.Which is, I feel seen because on Apple's website page for the new MacBook Pro,
One of the application examples is my favorite software derivatives touch designer baby.It's in their representation.
I was actually thinking it kind of felt like Apple made all the examples.Yes, I was just gonna say that.
For our studio.There's the teenage engineering one.
There's one that's Adam's exact setup.
My same headphones, my same little sampler machine from Teenage Engineering, yeah.
And then TouchDesigner for Ellis.TouchDesigner for Ellis, there was one that was Brandon's setup, where it had like a notebook with like specifically drawn out scenes.And beautiful sketches and everything, yeah.
It was for the, I believe the programmer or the coder example in their video.
It was like a game designer, I think.Yeah, something like that.But, yeah, it looks like Brandon's notebook.And then there was a gamer one, which is like, you know, Alex or... Or me maybe, I don't know.
Or no one comes back with a Corsair keyboard and I've never seen that happen in my life.That was funny.Did you guys see the Disc Golf one?
It was crazy, they had like this Disc Golf Taco Bell Axolotl example.
Yeah.Um, yeah.So that's pretty much it, but I think it was a good idea for them to kind of spread it over the week.And I think that these are good computers.
I think like the way we kind of rolled through this is the perfect example of why it should have been spread out through the week because each new release is basically the same.50% of the release was the exact same thing, which is them for chip.
I kind of like this.I wish more companies would do that, just have a whole week of announcements.Going back to the Nintendo thing, they've just had three or four weeks of straight bangers every week, just dropping something new, and it's just fun.
I like it.I wish people would do this more instead of one event, one day.
It's fun for online discourse as well, because then we can all talk about one product for a day, rather than an event happens and people are complaining about this one thing, and then people are talking about the other thing.
It's like, it's hard to keep track of all of that, where you can kind of see how people are reacting to a singular product for 24 hours, for all day battery life.
And it's good for them too, yeah, for all day battery life.Okay, so we're going to get all these devices in very soon, so I'm sure we're going to drop some reviews on the main channel.But until then, let's kick it to trivia, baby.
For some reason after updating to Sequoia the Roadcaster and my computer are just like not as a delay or something Well, the lights just like don't even work anymore.
My computer actually doesn't even see the Roadcaster anymore So we'll get to the bottom of the ghost road cast.It's a ghost Anyway, here's that
So we've been speaking about Nintendo a lot this episode and it is also Halloween today the day of recording.Let's go I Just came to work Anyway, there are a lot of enemy characters in the Mario series like Koopa Troopa That's right Goomba.Mm-hmm.
And of course everyone's favorite blue piranha plus plant piranha plant.Oh Piranha Plant Plus Pro Max.Ultra.Ultra.But there is also a ghost enemy.What is that ghost's full name?I want the full name.
It's easy. Buregaard Q Kazoo.That was his father.Correct.Yeah, that's Mr. Buregaard to you.
Did no one get that reference here?No.So there's a full name for Boo?
Yep, a full name.The full government.What's on his photo ID?Does his royal title have to be included in his full name?Okay, that's important.King Boo.
Dr. Boo.Dr. Professor Mario Boo.
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Welcome back.For those of you out there that want to be the very best that no one ever was, Nintendo has something very special for you this week.They announced Pokemon Trading Card Game Pocket Edition.Play the music, Adam. There we go.Okay.
Just want to know when I was in high school, I freaking loved Pokemon trading card game online.So I'm very excited to get into this.I made an account, but I have not yet had a lot of time to play it.
So I'm going to throw it over to Adam because he has had more time to play it and I think he can explain it a little bit better.
Yeah.So this game just dropped.It's a mobile app on Apple and on Android.Android. App stores.
Thank you Basically, it is a card collecting game so you can battle other people So like you could share your friend ID and everything and like I could battle David eventually I have a couple of friends from the interwebs that have added me already.
So I Once I unlock it, because you unlock that at level three, you are able to battle other players, which is cool.But the main point of this game, to me at least, is just like the beautiful aesthetics and the card collecting feature of this.
It's like every 12 hours you get a booster pack so you could just unwrap it.And the way you unwrap it is really cool.
It's like the booster pack pops up on the screen and there's like a highlighted part of the top of the pack that you have to swipe your finger across, like rip it open. It's a really cool animation.It's so cool.
And then it shows each card one by one, and then the last card's a special card, and there's different probabilities that you'll get a rare card and all this stuff.And I think the aesthetics of this game are just so pretty.It's incredible, yeah.
They take everything that everyone has learned in mobile app development for the last decade and just threw it out the window and did Nintendo.And it's so awesome.
It's so cool.It sounds like opening packs,
All sorts of different trading cards is still like such a big thing You get the same like brain like feeling that you get when you're actually opening a real pack.Yeah, but it's free It's just like it's it's a game.
So it's free, but you can buy more patch.Yeah, and there are there's a premium tier I think like a subscription you could do if you want that you'll get two booster packs per day because basically you get a free booster pack every 12 hours and
Automatically?Yeah, automatically.That's kind of what I've been doing.I've just been waiting 12 hours, then you unwrap the next one.
Wait, sorry, I'm just confirming.Automatically means just even if you're, but like you're not even in the app at all.Like you don't have to log onto the app after 12 hours and claim it.
So if you go to sleep for 24 hours, you'll wake, you'll, if you don't open it for 24 hours, you'll just.
You use your new M4 Macbook Pro for 24 hours.
Oh, I don't know.Because I've been unwrapping it every 12 hours, so I don't know if, I don't do it for 24 hours.If it'll show up.
If you'll just have two packs.If I'll have two, yeah.I doubt it.So you do have to claim them?
Well, I was gonna say the difference between that is actually being able to log in at the 12-hour exact times, then it starts turning into you're not really getting two a day because now you've missed a four-hour period, so now it's one a day.
But then I could just not log in for a week and then unwrap 50.Yeah, that sounds awesome.That math checks out, don't check it.
So a very cool thing about this game is that they have all of these really awesome effects.So rare cards have this Incredible parallax effect and they kind of shine and have these sparkles and it's like it's so good.
It's so well done It's like it's it doesn't just look like oh, there's 2d sparkles.
It really feels like immersive It's like the same kind of like excitement when you would like open up a holocaust
A holo card, yeah.They really thought about that.And then there are also these really cool immersive cards.Which I have not gotten yet.
Well, when you get one, it basically zooms into the card and it shows this whole world that's developed in the exact same art style.Yeah, it's so nice.
And I think they did a good job of the rollout, at least in my opinion, because you open up the app and you're going through tutorial hell, basically, for the first 10 minutes.But they give you so many packs, so you're just getting hooked.
Oh, when you start.Yeah, when you first start.And I'm pretty sure that Yesterday at the time of listening for people that are listening to this.
I'm pretty sure yesterday they did a Special like everyone that I've seen that's unwrapped cards today has gotten a special card Oh, so like I got like a shiny snorlax thing hologram
It was a regular Snorlax, but I don't think it was holographic.
It was just like a special card.So in all of those
I might be wrong here, but from what I understand about most trading cards is essentially a specific spot in each booster pack is dedicated as the rare or uncommon card, which doesn't always mean it's a holographic.
It just means that in general, every pack gets one card that's more rare than the commons. So yeah, you're either getting like an uncommon or a rare, but then like inside of those rares, there are different levels of rarity.
So like the Charizard that everyone wants is like the most rare.
That's what I was just gonna say.Rich got that this morning.
Yeah, Rich got a Charizard.
He already got a Charizard.Someone else got a Mewtwo online.
No, I got a Snorlax.Snorlax, yeah.
Didn't you do a story and you got... I didn't- Marowak?Oh, that was the first- Marowak, is that it?Marowak.
The first pack I did, yeah, that was it.I didn't do anything.I set up my account and I haven't unboxed any packs yet.
Yeah, I need to do that, I'm very excited.Yeah, I mean, Nintendo's on fire this week.They're on fire, that's what I'm saying.I'm very excited for this game.A lot of people are going to spend a lot of money on this game.It is very funny.
To be clear, you don't need- Is there a trading market?
I feel like it's gonna feel weird if I feel like there should be a trading market, but I hope there's no Monetary trading market, which means if there's any trading market, they'll turn into one anyways I don't think they would do that because it's just gambling at that point
Yeah, that's the problem, because I'm pretty sure in Counter-Strike with skins, it didn't cost money in the game, but then the third-party markets online would set up transactions.
Trading is coming soon, is what it says in the app.But can you sell?
Probably not.Probably not.Probably not in the app, but there will be a way to figure that out.
PokemonGoLottery.com.Yeah, they'll figure it out.What's His Face is coming back.Yeah, this whole app is awesome.
Dear listeners, let us know what special edition Pokemon you got in your first day of playing this game.And that's about it, so let's take it to trivia, baby. Can I have a spooky whiteboard?
I'll give you a ghost board.The glass breaking confuses me every time.I have a marker.
No, that's not... I just break glass every time.
Oh.Under the table?Over the table.
Wow.Over the garden table.
I don't get it.Nice.Question number one.The most polarizing and delicious Halloween candy, candy corn, was invented in the 1880s and originally sold as the candy version of what common farm animals feed?I'm looking for what farm animal.
What was it called without the name of the farm animal?
Man, I wish my lighting cue.Google Duplex.I spent so much time on it.It's working.
Google Lens is gone?No, I'm kidding.Oh.YouTube.No.I'm kidding.Don't do it.
Upload date.View count.View counts. All right.I knew that's what you were going to say, because that's what I wanted to say.So I just decided to pick something else.No, I just picked so we didn't both have the same thing.I said cow.
It's called chicken feed.That makes sense.Duh.
I wonder what Marques will put.
Blank feed.And it was supposed to be the food of an animal.
Oh, interesting.Yes, and I'm looking for the animal and it is candy corn as we know it today.Huh.
What animals eat a lot of corn?I'm thinking about horses.I'm thinking about pigs.Uh.Pig feed, horse.I'll go.I'll go hog feed.
I'll go Hawks.You know what's crazy is that's actually what Andrew said you would say, but unfortunately it is chickens.It was called chicken feed.
Question number two.Okay.Also quick update on the score.Marques with 22 because dear listener, when he got back from California, me and Andrew sat by his desk and timed him 30 seconds a question and asked him the trivia questions from last week.
He got two out of three correct.So he's got 22.Wow.So we spoke about Nintendo this week, but it is also Halloween. So the ghost in the Mario games, what is its full name?
David, because you said it and I had to pivot really quickly during the trivia question.It was just going to be Boo, but he made it harder.
No way, really?Yeah.But then you were like Boo.I definitely would have gotten that one.I have no idea what this is.
Almost time. Flip them and read.What do we got?
I wrote boo-tiful.No, but I love it.I put boo-boo.No.Wow, thanks.
Wow.I definitely don't know this one.I was wondering if you would ask me the name of the ghost, which I knew was Boo.I do not know his full name, so I'm going to have to make something up.
This was one of those weeks where that was the original question, and then David said Boo at some point in the episode, and it was like, oh, okay, well, we can't, we gotta make it harder.Dang.
Mm, okay.Well, I mean, I'll make, I'll, I, let's see, his name is King Boo, you said?
So, his government name, if it was King Arthur, it would be like Arthur something, so his name's probably Boosifer, uh... Brown.Boosifer Brown.
That's awesome.No, the correct answer is Boo Diddley.
Boo Diddley?A reference to Bo Diddley, the rock star.
Who's that?He's like one of the most important figures in early American music, like inspired Elvis and stuff like that.Who's that?
All right, well, thanks for joining us.
Wasn't there a bonus question in there, or did we already get it wrong?That was last week.
I swore you just threw a bonus trivia question in the middle of the episode.
No, I did like a mid-episode question about the magic mask.Did we get it wrong?No, David, I wasn't a real trivia question.
It was just me proving that you can literally plug and unplug the magic mask in like 10 seconds and get it back.
I forgot about that part, because it was misinformation.Do you want to do a bonus trivia question?
That's our episode.Thanks for joining us on this episode of the Waveform Podcast, Spooky Halloween Edition.We're your hosts.I'm David.And I'm Andrew.And Marques is still a skeleton.
And even though it's Halloween here, some people celebrate Diwali and others celebrate Dia de los Muertos.So thank you for listening and enjoy the holiday.
Oh, comment your favorite costume.Ooh, that's a good one.And why it's me.And why it's Adam.Yeah.
And... Elliswood's most painful costume.
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