What is up, daddy gang?It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.Anna Kendrick, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
I'm so happy we're doing this.Me too.
We've never met.Wait, is it tacky?Should I get rid of my phone?
Only, you can put it on silent.It's not tacky.
Yeah, no, I think it's probably on whatever, but no, I'll just get it out of the way.
Just in case you get, like, an important call.
Who would be calling you?
no one no one that's fine are you a big texter oh yeah i'm always like if you need to get a hold of me like you're you're gonna have to text me if you want an email back you're gonna have to wait like two weeks you might as well send me a postcard in the mail i'm so bad on my email are you one of those people though that has like a thousand plus emails or are you like deleting um
I think it was you know that okay so you know that this is not interesting but you know that period between Christmas and New Year's where you're like what do what where are we and like time has no meaning um I was like I'm gonna clean out my email inbox because I did have one of those because it was like well what else are we doing right and I am one of those people and I hate that about me it's that I'm one of those people that has like two thousand
I have the same thing.And if anyone calls me, I immediately don't answer.And I wait for the text.
Well, I'm like, did someone die?This is bad news.This is terrible news.
I don't like confrontation.
No, I don't like communication.People, I don't know.No, that's not true.Mostly.Text.Yeah, you have to text me.
Okay, obviously being an actress, now obviously director, but what is your day off?What are you up to when you're not working?
Um, I'm trying to get mint to grow in my garden.I'm trying to really, like, be a homemaker.Not a homemaker.That's not what I mean.I mean, I'm trying to, like, do something physical and tangible that I can go, like, wow.And I grew this mint.
And now I'm putting it in a cocktail, because that's as close as I'm ever going to get to cooking.And I don't know.There's something about, like, devoting your entire life to this
very weird thing of pretending to be another person and crying on cue in front of a room full of people you met three days ago and whatever, that you're like, I don't make anything physical.You know what I mean?
So I feel like I'm always trying to find, I should really take up knitting or something.I just want to make something that I can hold and go, I made this.
OK, to give you a little bit more credit, you are making something.
That I mean like I mean, it's not like it's not real but there is just something like fleeting about it or I don't know Are you having an existential crisis right now?
Constantly this whole episode is us just trying to figure out like what is the meaning of being an actor and life?No, but I get what you're saying.You're like, I want something tangible aka mint.It's a little odd
odd that mint is the one thing in your garden?It goes in a lot of cocktails.Are you making good cocktails?
I'm trying, yeah.When I moved, I was like, I want to be able to have people over and be able to offer them a refreshment, but I'm never going to cook.
That's never going to happen.Okay, pretend I come over.What are you making me for a drink? Well, do you have like a specific... I like tequila and vodka, so I'm kind of like, I can go either way.I like a Moscow Mule, I like a Margarita.
Well, Moscow Mules are super, super easy, so we love that.But there's like a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like. I also feel like people tend to come over and say that they drink anything but gin, but gin makes great cocktails.
Drinking gin straight is for crazy people.I don't know what that's about.But it makes really great cocktails, especially if you want to serve something up.And also, if you want to commit to doing an egg white foam, it's really easy.
And people are like, absolutely blown away that you've created something that has foam on it.
I'm blown away already.Wait, an egg white foam?
Yeah, the key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the egg white before you add ice and then it will really and then you add all the other ingredients and then add ice and then it will actually like stay foamy and you know just put a little like
sprig of lavender or something on top.And people are like, oh my God, how did you do this?
Me, I'm the dumb bitch that's like, whoa, Anna.
Well, then that's what I would make for you.So that you would find me impressive, yeah.
Okay, that's good to know.What is one thing you can't leave the house without?
Oh God, probably ChapStick.I'm one of those people that I have like a drawer full of ChapSticks.And yeah.Same.Yeah.And I like all the different flavors.
Oh yeah, what's your go-to?
I really like the Burt's Bees.There's like a pomegranate one.
Are you fucking with me?What?No, you're fucking with me.
No, what?People are laughing.What's happening?
No, you fucking talk to someone.Are you doing a bit?
All my life, all my dad sold.No, absolutely.Wait, what is happening? Anna.You are not about to do that to me right now.
That's sick.No, you don't get it.I might have it in my fanny pack.I'm not joking.You brought a fanny pack.You know what?I'm doing a lot right now.Don't make fun of my fanny pack.
That's it.Now I feel like you're fucking with me.No, that's crazy. Okay, I have a bowl.I feel like you're the mentalist.You're Criss Angel, and you're like, you mean this pomegranate lipstick?
Whichever one you said.You're like, road lipstick.I'm like, boom.
Because I also like the sweet violet, but I was like, well, that's not really, I guess that's a tinted lip balm.I don't know.That's something else.So I was like, pomegranate.
I like the pomegranate, too, because it gives you that little bit of a tint.
The tiniest tint, yeah. I... What's happening?
We... and... I'm not kidding you, I thought you were doing a bit.
Or you were like fucking with me.
Wait, have you like talked... am I an idiot?
Have you like... No, no.Everyone that like really, really knows me, like you know the Arthur meme where he's like got the fist?
I always have this in my... and anywhere you look, like any interview I'm doing, I have it somewhere in my body and I have an entire bowl in my house and every single sweatpant... You have a bowl?
I have a bowl in my house of all the pomegranate next to my bathroom sink. and I just pick one up every day and I open a new one and I use it until I lose it.And then I go back.I love it.So we're on the same, we're on the same.Wow.
It's really creepy, but I think the reason I love ChapStick so much is because I have this feeling.
It's like the ick of myself is if I don't have my lips somewhat moisturized, I feel like that is, goes and is like almost contingent with having bad breath.
Like I feel like when you see someone with chapped lips, you're like, they must have bad breath.
I don't know.No, I think that, yeah, I haven't thought about it, but like subconsciously, yeah, I'm just going to lean away.
OK, so you're a chapstick girl.
Good to know.So you probably have good breath.Haven't gotten close enough to you today, but we'll see later.What is the most high maintenance thing about you?
Probably my hair, because I have I'm like a secret curly. I'm like a secret, like, like, like Keri Russell and Felicity level curly.
Well, you know, it's not really what my hair looks like.Yeah.And I've been like, I haven't like I've I've wore I started I was on like a natural, like, you know, curly hair journey.Like I let my therapist see me with my like real hair.
Oh, that's big steps.And like like two of my best friends in my house have like come over and I'm like, I should let you know that I have let my hair dry naturally, and I'm in a very vulnerable place.
Because it was one of those things that I always felt messy.Because I think when I really started to be like, oh, I need to start learning how to blow out my hair and whatever, was when pin straight hair was it.
It was when tiny butts and super straight hair was the height of female attractiveness.So I just felt like, you know?
Yeah, I don't know, almost like the chap lips things where I was just constantly like doing that, you know, just trying to like make my hair be like flat.
And when it would get like frizzy, if I would go to a concert or whatever, I would just be like freaking out about it, like humiliated.
But you're like, I have to leave.I have to leave the concert.
And I was thinking about like like all the fucking energy and time that I think we all spend without even thinking about it.
about like, okay, well, okay, if I wash my hair at this time, and then how long is it gonna take to do my blowout, and if I shave my legs on this day, I'll have stubble for that, well, but, like, and just, it's always just running in the background.
It's so exhausting and it's so dumb because we notice so much more about ourselves.Like, I bet if you had your curly hair here, I'd be like, oh, I love your curly hair.
Wait, what did your therapist say to you when, did you do like a big reveal of like, I'm gonna show you now?Was it on Zoom or in person?
um and i think it i think it was like i i was still like this is so boring but i i was still like self-conscious about it so i pulled back like you know i did like a half up half down thing and so she was sort of like oh where are you going like that it was you know that it was like
It just looked different, because I usually just wear it in a bun and a headband.So I think she thought that I was going somewhere.So I was like, well, that's encouraging.She wasn't like, what happened?But yeah, I'm still on a journey.
Well, you know what?We're going to support you on that journey.Your hair looks amazing today, but I bet it would also look amazing if it was curly.OK.Anyways, you've been making movies for two decades.
What do you think you would be doing if you hadn't pursued acting?
Oh, God.God, help me.I don't know what.I really don't.I mean, I feel like, obviously, I didn't get into show business because I hate attention.So there's that piece.
When people ask me that question, I feel like I'll usually just say, oh, I'd have a bakery or something.But I don't know.I would be so screwed.I actually remember when
When I was 17, 18, whenever I moved to LA, I was really, really jealous of all my friends that were going to college.Number one, because I felt really insecure about not going to college.I have a whole complex about it, but I was also
you know, on the phone, like, hearing about this exciting new chapter that was sort of laid out for them and, you know, going to classes and joining a sorority and, you know, having this, like, immediate community.And I was in L.A.
I was, like, 17 or 18.It's really hard to make friends in L.A.because of, like, the way the city is laid out, but especially when you don't
have a fake ID and even if I did I looked about 12 so that wasn't going to work anyway and I was just like absolutely terrified and really wondering if I was like making a huge mistake and then the weirdest thing was that when everybody entered their sophomore year I was I was still like just you know trying to get in the door and all that but
I then noticed that when I would get on the phone with friends of mine who were in college, they were suddenly, all of them, sophomore year, having a total crisis.
Because freshman year was like, this is so exciting, and there's this new chapter, and my whole life is ahead of me, and I'm making these friends.And sophomore year, it felt like, OK, I'm back with the same people, and that's great.
And I'm picking my classes for this year, and that's great. But what do I want to do with my life?There's no longer just the excitement of, oh my god, frat parties and the college experience.It's like, oh, I have to figure out what I want.
And so even though the thing that I wanted felt like a total pipe dream, and what am I doing?This is a disaster.It's so hard to carve out a space for yourself in this industry.
But on the other side of it, holy shit, I did not think, what a blessing to just know what I want.And I was watching all my friends go, oh my god, I don't know what I want, what to do.
It's so interesting. Because I went to college and I remember from a young age, I knew I wanted to be in Hollywood.
I knew I wanted to create, I knew I wanted to do something in this industry, but my mom kept just being like, no, you have to do school, you have to do school and then you can do it later.And I resented that so much for a while.
But hearing the difference, again, everyone wants what they don't have, of being in college wishing by sophomore year, I was like, get me the fuck out of here, I know exactly what I want to do.
But you being like, watching all of the kids in college and you being like, that was a big insecurity of mine.Why was it an insecurity though?Because you were like, I don't have an education technically.Interesting.
Totally.So I think my family really values traditional education for good reasons, bad reasons, whatever.And so I was the first person to not go to college.And my dad was a teacher and everything.
So it was very black sheep behavior to not go to college.Were they OK with you not going to college? Yeah, I mean, I think they knew I was going to do what I wanted to do.
But I think there was always that sense of, well, if things maybe don't work out that first year, it's not too late to just, you know.So I think that was always something that they had in mind.
But I don't think they were thrilled, which is understandable.But yeah, I then, like, just worried about like, oh my God, I didn't go to college.I don't know, it's like.
I get it.I think it's like in a great way.I do think like the concept of education now is becoming a little bit more lenient where people are like, you don't need to go to college to be X, Y, Z. Completely.
And it's interesting because you were right on the right path, but because of like societal standards of like, if you're smart, you go to college.Totally.
it probably felt so disorienting when you're watching all these people do the natural next step.Really, you just skipped a big step, and then you got ahead on your career.
But it doesn't mean you can't still feel insecure about it, of in conversation, having to be like, oh, I didn't go to college.I get that, especially if your family was like, go school, go school, and your dad being a teacher.
Totally.And I think now that I'm older, it's less of a thing.But early 20s, that's part of the conversation is like, oh, where did you go to college?Yes.
didn't like how oh my god I have to say I didn't and by that at that point like you know like 21 22 I didn't really have much to show for it yet you know like then some things happened and you know it was less of an issue but yeah you're like oh I didn't go to college because I wanted to become an actor and it's like how's that going well you know I think I got someone's I'm hearing my phone ring so yeah right they're like what are you in you're like I
Be back soon, gotta go.I get that.Talking about your family though, you were raised in Maine, right?Born and raised in Maine.What were you like as a kid?
I think I was really hyper-vigilant.I was really in everybody's business a little bit.But I think that, I was even thinking a couple weeks ago about how I do
One of my many toxic traits is I do kind of walk around with a little bit of a, all right, who's trying to fuck me over?And I was like, I don't know, there's a chance that it's like, oh, you're spelling bedtime?
You think I don't know what's happening here?I don't know, just being real aggressive about how I wanted things
done and like very opinionated but I don't I can't really tell if that comes from childhood or from like working in an industry where I'm sure you've experienced it's like you agree to certain things and then it's like oh and can we also do this thing that would be really humiliating for you and not like uh pay you any extra money or check with you in advance and ask you in front of a group of people so if you say no you'll look like a bitch you know so I'm just always like all right who in this room is trying to fuck
That's so interesting that you're like did that happen when I was young or is it just like something I can't not remember because you started in the industry at what like 10 you started really getting into it?
Yeah I started kind of auditioning for things when I was 10 and I booked my first gig when I was 12.So, but I mean, I wasn't auditioning all the time because I lived in Maine.
And so either one of my parents had to drive me to New York City for like a 15 minute audition.And they were like, well, sweetie, we love you, but Jesus.So eventually my brother and I would take a Greyhound bus from Maine to New York.
And that's one of the situations where
we were in that I auditioned for this show that I ended up getting and we were in New York and they asked me are you cool to like stay for a callback tomorrow and I was always just told like we'll just say just say yes you'll figure it out later so I was like absolutely I will see you tomorrow no problem and my brother and I like
that are just like, OK, we need to find a hotel in New York City.Anna, what are you, 11?I'm 12.He's 13 or 14.And so we found a hotel.And my parents called the hotel and faxed a credit card and told them like, yes, yes, we'll be along shortly.
And they're in Maine.And so I wash my underwear in the sink and then just put on this.I mean, luckily, there is a thing where if you get a callback, it's kind of conventional wisdom that you should wear the same thing.Oh, love.
So that didn't seem like I was the gross kid with one pair
clothes same underwear but so then the next day the same thing happened and again it was like no problem I will see you again in the morning and had to do it again and then they oh that's right they they did ask me because I was wearing combat boots and they were like can you because the part was for like a little rich girl okay
So they were like, could you wear something?We'd just love to see you in more of a Sunday best outfit.And specifically, someone mentioned my shoes.So I was wearing this ratty cardigan and ripped jeans and these combat boots.
But I was like, ah, the solution will be to go to the nearest Payless and find white church strappy sandals.
And so, like, with, like, the last $20 that we had, I, like, bought this pair of sandals, like, dress sandals, and wore those with my ratty cardigan and jeans, and then, like, wandered in, and I think they were just like, oh, for fuck's sake, yeah, fine, whatever, great.
And then we were on a Greyhound bus home, and we had this phone for emergencies, and that rang, and it was like, hey, you're gonna be on Broadway.
I'm like trying to picture 12 year old me walking around in New York City with my brother who's two years older than me.I'm like, how the hell were you not even scared?
I think that we just thought it was such an adventure.And I think we also wanted to be cool New York City kids so fucking bad that we were just like, yeah, this is so normal.I can't remember if we were low-key freaking out or not.
But I know that, I mean, even when I went there at,
17 I did this show at New York City Opera and I remember like riding the subway to work and seeing like oh my god you know you see those gorgeous girls who are like going to American ballet yes and being like and like looking at them and being like we're really doing it oh my god I'm in New York and I'm going to work and I'm going to work on the subway
And it's not a big deal at all, which if you're thinking about it like that, it's a huge fucking deal to you.I had no chill.But that was the vibe.But that's sweet.Yeah.
OK, all of this is happening.I know that you were nominated for a Tony Award when you were just 12.So it came from that.
OK, what did kids in school think?
It's weird, again, I don't know if you've experienced something like this, but there were several moments where it felt like if I mentioned anything to the kids at school, they, don't get me wrong, understandably,
Sort of thought I was like talking about something else like Like it like in the same way that if someone in my school in like middle school or high school had been like oh Yeah, I'm going to Olympic trials.I would be like oh
so is there some kind of like local like oh it's the olympics you know what i mean like i would just be like no you're not right like because that just doesn't make sense because we're from maine like what are you talking about um i remember having um like a really little indie film in the sundance film festival when i was 16 17 and going to sundance and
I remember one of my close friends, one of my like best friends called me and was like, that's so weird.There's something on the news about, I think it was, I could be getting this mixed up, but I think it was like the year that
Britney Spears and like Fred Durst went to Sundance together.There's something I've maybe I'm maybe I'm hallucinating.It was some other story.I don't know.But she called me and she was like, yeah, they're at like the Sundance Film Festival.
And isn't that so weird?Because you were just saying that you're doing something called Sundance, but it's like happening at the same time. And I was like, I'm at Sundance.I'm at the Sundance.I'm at the Sundance film.
That's why I was so fucking excited about it.
Right, you're like, I'm here with Britney Spears.
Yes, and she was like a close friend.So I think there's an understandable thing that happens where you're just like, not you.They just didn't get it.
Not from here.They didn't get it.And you didn't talk about it over the top where people would even have a concept of it?
No, no.I mean, even, I think there was a,
a luckily very brief window where uh it was kind of like a teasing situation so i was like i knew better than to be like running my mouth about it too much because people would make fun of you yeah isn't that so weird meanwhile it's like everyone wants to be a movie star i don't know i think just drawing any attention to yourself in middle like particularly this was like in middle school like right after i did the the broadway show
It's like you just want to disappear.I think people talk about high school as being cutthroat.Middle school was so much scarier to me.
It was so horrible.I completely agree.High school is actually like I started to get my shit together.Middle school I was terrified.
I remember feeling like, just like trying to be like a moving pile of laundry.You know, just wearing like the biggest clothes and just trying so fucking hard not to draw any attention to yourself.Yes.
So you obviously start to become so successful.Like, was your family like, oh, this is normal?
I found some success and then I think this is pretty typical for entertainment stuff that like the money really follows like several years later there's that period where you're like okay I'm like low-key a little famous but I am so fucking broke
it would make you tear up how broke I am.
So you're kind of trying to fake it till you make it, but like I had brought my family to the Oscars and you know, there was a really interesting moment a few years later when I like bought my first place and I had them at my place and it was like you could feel the energy, particularly for my mom and dad of like,
oh, OK, OK, OK.And it wasn't a mansion, but it was just like, oh, you're going to be OK.Because they were obviously very proud.But there's things with awards and reviews where that's great, but it's still really abstract.
And to just see something solid where it was like, OK, our crazy daughter who didn't go to college like has managed to buy a home.You know, it was like, I could feel not so much like pride, but that they were actually like, oh, you made it.Okay.Okay.
It all worked out.Like we don't have to worry about now her like going back to college and trying to figure out something else.
Completely.She's not going to move in with us and like drain us dry.
Love, love.You've been in so many great movies.I want to talk to you about a few of them today.We got to start with Pitch Perfect, obviously. We got to start with Pitch Perfect, obviously.What was that audition process like?
Well, you know, I think that the most interesting piece or the piece that has certainly followed me around is when I auditioned, they needed you to just like prove that you could sing.And I was like, well, I know how to do this thing.
There's a cup and there's this song and I could do that.So it was just because I was like, well, where else am I going to do it?Because I was like lame enough and dorky enough to have bothered like learning this thing.
And so I did it for my audition and they were like, we should put that in the movie.And originally in the script, like Becca, my character's audition song was, I'm a little teacup, which I keep meaning to ask the writer, Kay Cannon, like,
Was that meant to be funny?How would that have worked?How was I supposed to play that?I don't know what I was supposed to do.Would you have gone chill?Was I supposed to do a Christina Aguilera version of I'm a Little Teacup?
Or was it supposed to be like, oh, I resent that I have to do this, but I sound fine.How do you think you would have done it? I guess like that.I mean, I would have been relying on somebody to tell me what the vibe was supposed to be.
But luckily I didn't have to figure that out.So they were like, well, let's do that for Becca's audition.And I was like, great.I'm making use of a useless skill.And then people, when they saw the movie, would ask about it and stuff.
And so then the studio was like, we should release this as a single.And I was like, what are you fucking stupid?We're releasing this as a single? That's so embarrassing.I'm so embarrassed for us.
So they had me go into the studio for 20 minutes, a hit that was made in 20 minutes, and just sing the rest of the song.And I was in there with a stool and a cup, doing the cup in this weird studio.
And then they were like, what if we did a music video?And again, I was like,
are we what's going on this is so you guys i'm so embarrassed for you like i just was like there's no way anybody would care about this like i whatever um and so we like make this music video and then
Which is, by the way, why am I saying this phrase?Why is this phrase coming out of my mouth?It started climbing the charts.Like, why is this a part of my story and my life?Like, I was just like, what is fucking happening?
This is so out of the realm of anything that's supposed to be happening.And I always thought
Like, cause I was in the middle of making this like indie film and I'd be getting like texts from people going like, it just like got into the top 10 of like Billboard's top 100.
And I was like in the basement of some church, like shooting this tiny little indie film.Meanwhile, I think it was like, I think it was, speaking of the times, Miley Cyrus and Macklemore. was like also in the top 10.
And so I always just think like, they must've been like, what the fuck is this shit?Like, who is this girl?What is this?How dare you?
I'm out here like busting my ass on Good Morning America, putting on a live performance and this like freak show, whatever this fucking is, is in the top 10.How dare I?What on earth?I would hate me.I would hate me.
Did you ever learn to be like, damn, that shit's good.
They did send me a platinum record, and that was pretty cool.
That's literally perfect.That was pretty cool.
You're like, I guess it was kind of good.
Oh, I guess what I got my platinum record, though.
That's insane.That you're like, this is so fucking embarrassing, you guys.And meanwhile, it's like the entire world learned this shit.I remember trying to learn it, Anna, OK?No, you did not.Oh, I tried.Of course I did.Everyone did.
I couldn't really do it.You shut your face.You fucking invented it.It's so crazy that you brought that to the movie.And they were like, yes.
OK, I just realized also while you were talking, which is fun, is I have had on you, Britney Snow, Adam Devine, and I have had on Rebel.
I have almost had like the entire cast.
You're like collecting all the Pokemon.Yeah.Yeah.
I'm kind of having a good time.How would you describe your guys friendship on that cast?
Honestly, I use this word in the truest sense of, like, we are a family.Like, truly in the sense of, like, we didn't choose each other.Like, we didn't ask to be in each other's lives in this way.And we're so bonded.
And it does feel, there's something really, not to be lame, there's something really magic about it.
because so often like you'll do a big job and they'll be like one or two people maybe that you keep in touch with and they're the people that are like the most similar to you and we're all really really different and after like three movies you're like I think this is like a not getting rid of each other kind of situation.
I think the entire world is happy.It's a not getting rid of each other situation.
And also, I think that I'm very avoidant.So actually cracking that shell and being in my life, it takes some persistence.That's a big deal.So Brittany is always joking that her, she's like, well, your phone is all white, or whatever, the blue text.
Yeah, blue, blue, blue.Yeah, you get it.You get it.Yeah, yeah.Because she's always texting me and just being like, I know you're not going to reply.Stop.
you know I think that I'm kind of like certainly the curmudgeon of the group but it is like almost like everybody has a role and you know like, you know, Britney kind of like brings the party and I bring the grumpiness, I guess.I don't know.
But I am like, it's really interesting because even the girls that are not like one of the closest girls, like when they're going through something, I get the call and it's and it's it makes me feel so good because I do feel like that's kind of my role in the group is like if
If you're in jail, my shoes are on.We're getting you out tonight.I don't know how, but we're gonna figure it out.Whereas if you need help with party invitations, I'm gonna freeze up and be like, I don't know.I don't know.I don't know what to do.
I don't know.I have to leave the room right now.
Please call Britney.It's so funny. fun to know that you and Brittany Snow are so close because it, I don't know, it like set something right in the world.Like I like that you guys are friends.
I think it also is nice because obviously as like consumers, we know that sometimes on movie sets, like people don't get along and there's something oddly satisfying about how amazing those movies are and knowing you guys are so close.
Like it's just a fun thing for fans.
It makes me really happy.I saw some of the girls from the movie, the original, the craft having dinner once.And I was like, You guys are friends in real life.
It made me so fucking happy.So I would be like, oh, I wouldn't think anyone would care.We care.But seeing the craft girls, I was like, this is so beautiful.It means so much to me.So now you get it.
So now when people are crying when they see you guys out together, you get it.Totally.Are we getting a fourth one?
Oh, I have no idea.I'm always like, Rebel is kind of like the steam train of the group.Come on, Rebel.She's always like, I think we should do it.And I'm like, well, then great.I agree.I'll just be backup, I guess.We need it.
I would love that because we're all so and I'm so happy that everybody's so busy and successful and doing so much that actually getting the 10 of us in a room is impossible.So it's usually maybe six of us at a time trying to have a little reunion.
So it does feel like the thing that would actually get us all in a room again is the movies.So that's my best reason.
I will watch, so let us know.Twilight.Can you believe?
Can you believe, I mean, what?Okay, so someone was just asking me about, like a while ago, I had, you know, done a silly funny tweet where I just said like, holy shit, I just remembered I was in Twilight.
And people were like, but, you didn't like forget, you didn't forget that you were in Twilight.And the answer is truly, truly yes and no.Because obviously, obviously, I didn't forget the experience of making the movies, I didn't, you know, but,
those movies like especially at the time took on such a life of their own and like they were such a kind of like for for better or for worse like a kind of touchstone like like such a reference that you know everybody would talk about like trying to find the next twilight or whatever and i would find myself in like business conversations talking about oh yeah i've heard that that there's a book series that just got optioned you know they maybe want to try and make it the next twilight
And then I would be like, oh my God, I'm in, oh my God.I'm in the movie.Oh my God.Because I was also so on the, just on the outside, had a front row seat, but was just on the outside of the madness of it.And I was really like lucky to not,
be dealing with the eye of the storm, really.
I think that a lot of the folks that were in the movie, even in the later movies where they are playing, as long as you were a supernatural character, if you had one line, you couldn't leave your hotel room.It's crazy.People were crazy.
And people were criticizing, oh, but she has green eyes in the book, or whatever.And I just didn't have to. deal with any of that.
So it almost feels like I didn't really have to run the gauntlet that some of the other, I mean, most of the other people did.I just had to show up and say dumb, funny shit and just be like, what are you guys talking about?
You guys are fucking acting weird.Okay.Everybody's really serious.Bye.That was the gig.It was awesome.
Jessica!Oh my fucking god, Jessica.Being like, what's so great about Bella?Like, I don't get it.Like, what's going on with Bella?
Which is also crazy, because when I auditioned for that, I was like, yeah.I think in the book, she's like the blonde, athletic, volleyball captain popular girl.So I was like, well, great.I'm not getting this job.
and the goal then becomes like well I hope I just like make an impression on the casting director and the director so that maybe they'll remember me for something else right and so I was like well I'm just gonna like try to be like weird and funny because I don't know and then they were like oh great yeah let's do that so
There I am with my headband, because in that humid weather, they didn't know what to do with my hair, full circle.They were like, it just keeps getting bigger.So it was always in a headband or pulled back really tight.
you know in my like ratty little costume at like you know five inches shorter than Kristen going like I don't even get what the point is.
Meanwhile she's so stunning in real like you're like oh my god I'm staring into the eyes of like a Siberian husky.She's so gorgeous like I mean she's gorgeous on screen but like in person have you met her in person?No.
There's a quality let me tell you.Really?Oh My God, it's breathtaking.And she's obviously very beautiful, and sometimes you meet certain people and you're like, what?How dare you?Why are you doing this to me?
So, you know, the audacity of me to be like, I don't see it, I don't get it.
Right, you're like, right, right, right.Were you ever like, I'm being annoying, or you're like, it's fine, it's my role?
Yeah, I guess it was like, I'm being annoying, which means like, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
You're doing your job.I'm obsessed with you being like, they're trying to put my hair down, and I'm like, I don't know what to do.
It all comes full circle.Okay, next movie, Alice Darling.This is like, obviously a bigger shift, and is a, basically is about a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship.When you're taking on a more,
intense role like do you hesitate in those moments or do you enjoy those type of moments that are a little bit um it was uh oh gosh that's weird i'm about to use a phrase that i've been using uh in reference to directing so but it it kind of makes sense because it's a similar thing where it was like pushing myself off of a
cliff and not giving myself the time to go is this a good choice because it was like it was really scary and personal and
God, I'm just remembering, I remember I didn't tell, I haven't thought about this in a while, I didn't tell anybody in my life, not my, well, this was also kind of COVID-y, so I wasn't talking to that many people, so again, I'm bringing up my therapist, but I didn't tell my therapist, I didn't tell my closest friends that I was making this movie about emotional abuse because I had just gotten out of a relationship that was extremely similar to the movie.
And I didn't want anybody to tell me to not do it.I didn't want to get talked out of it.And I knew that there were good reasons for my friends and certainly my therapist to be like, is this the best idea for you right now?
So I just kept telling them it's about three friends in a cabin.And it's about their relationships, which in a way it is.But yeah.
I like didn't even when after the movie was wrapped, whatever, like they didn't even know that it was about emotional abuse until like the trailer came out because I just didn't I just didn't want somebody to tell me. Well, I don't know.
Maybe this is the childhood thing of like, I don't want you to tell me it's bedtime.I need to do this.I'm going to do this.
Can I ask how long did that abusive relationship that you endured last?
It didn't follow the traditional pattern, which is kind of yet another reason why I was finding it really difficult to identify it and name it as abusive.
Because I was like reading all the articles and going like this doesn't look like some of it looks like how they're describing it, but not completely and So the relationship was seven years But it was like an overnight
switch and that went on for about a year so it didn't follow that more traditional like it's like a frog in boiling water thing where it started slow it came out of absolutely nowhere but was built on this foundation of I had so much love and trust for that person so I thought it had to be me like I if one of us is crazy it must be me
Um, so it was very, very, um, difficult, um, to actually go, no, this, I think this is, I think this is him.I think, I think this is his stuff.Cause I turned my life completely upside down trying to, um, fix whatever was wrong with me.
And, you know, it didn't help that for a long period of time, our like couples therapist, I think just bought his, stuff kind of hook, line, and sinker.
And I've had several sessions with him in the last several years where he's apologized to me because I think he realized what was going on right toward the end.But yeah, that obviously made everything a lot more complicated.
we always have to remember like therapists are human people too.And a lot of times they don't know the inner dynamics.And if you are with a very manipulative person though, that is good in crowds, like they can mask it pretty easily.
And you can be kind of painted to be the person that's like insane or you're unreasonable or you're like unwilling to make the relationship work.And when you have a licensed person staring at you next to the person that is abusive,
Because we project so much authority onto them, even though we kind of know intellectually, well, they're just people.It's like, I just want, and it was also, I just want someone to tell me what's happening.
Like, I wasn't even thinking, like, we're going to go into couples therapy, and he's going to, you know, ream you out, and it's going to, I was just like, will someone just explain to me what's going on?
So, yeah, it was full on, but it was also interesting that, like,
I always felt like I was trying to stay so calm in couples therapy because I was like fuck in these sessions he's so able to kind of stay calm in a way that he does not do when we're outside of therapy.
And then there was a day again toward the end where I really kind of like lost my shit And I did think like, oh my God, what have I done?What have I done?It's gonna be so bad now.What did I do?And- What do you mean?
What do you mean it's gonna be so bad?
If things, when I'm trying so hard to appease this person, they're so fucking awful.So how bad is it gonna get now that I've yelled it?And I sent, after that session, first of all, weirdly, he was fine. which was very weird, very interesting.
Because I think he felt like maybe a little bit like calm because he was like, see, you're fucking crazy.So it was weirdly fine.But I sent the therapist an email being like, I'm so embarrassed.I'm so sorry.
I need to control myself or whatever because I had yelled in this session. he called me, which he hadn't done before, and was like, no, no, I'm so proud of you.And that's when I knew like, oh, something has shifted, like something's changed.
And then, yeah, things ended pretty quickly after that.
I mean, I appreciate you sharing this just because I have so many women that listen that are like, what are the signs?And like, I appreciate you, how you opened the conversation about this topic, about like, it literally changed overnight.
And I was reading all the articles being like, is this me?Well, no, that's not me.You try to justify things.Like, do you mind sharing anything that maybe like my listeners could be like, oh, this is happening to me too.
That like, maybe doesn't present as like, this is abusive and toxic, but the undertone is so there.
God, it's so hard.It's so hard.And I, well, I don't know, maybe I'll think of something, but this conversation is even like really complicated for me.It's like even talking about it, I can feel like my body temperature going up because
I think that sometimes the conversation around like red flags like those are important conversations that we should be we should be talking about it like thinking about it looking for them sharing with each other and I think that even the most well-meaning conversation sometimes about like
red flags can be a little victim blamey, which is hard because I'm like, well, also, I want to know and share red flags.
Because it does sort of put the onus on you to be able to identify something that, by the way, someone is working so hard to make sure you can't identify.I really started thinking about it
like if someone was raised from birth as like a wilderness survivalist and they just dropped you or I mean I don't know maybe you maybe you have this in your background but uh if they dropped you or me in the middle of the woods I would step into a booby trap within three feet because I don't know what to look for and it's like because I didn't spend my life learning how to build or identify traps like
How is it that we're meant to be inside the mind of someone who is working very hard to make sure that you feel very unsteady and are questioning yourself?So it's really complicated.
And it's hard for me because there are even times when I talk about my situation where, as I'm saying it, I will go, am I making that up?Am I making everything up?
I remember having a conversation with my therapist like a year after that relationship where I was constantly asking her to just diagnose me with like an egocentronic disorder so that I could just fix it and make sure that like, oh, this just won't happen again or something.
And there was a point where she
what she was talking about my ex and she started to say something where she was like well you know when you're dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing and I went no no what if I'm the wolf like what if it was me because I think that was the thing that I didn't expect was how totally convinced he was of his own victimhood like
I know him well enough, in spite of feeling like, well, I didn't know him at all, but I know him well enough to know, like, he's not an actor.He's not a performer.He, you know, not a great liar in a lot of ways.So I was like,
looking at someone who was actually kind of like suffering and I thought like well if he's being manipulative I'll know it because you know I'll smell the bullshit like I'll smell that this is kind of a performance that he's putting on but I don't think he was putting on a performance I think he genuinely believed that I was like
torturing him.He told me one day I was terrorizing him because I was just crying because I couldn't pretend that things were fine anymore.And I just started crying and he screamed in my face, you're terrorizing me.
But it was truly from the place of a person who believed that they were being terrorized.So I don't know if that's would resonate with people, but it does.
It's like even when I would watch these fucking videos, I would read the articles and watch the videos.And when like,
Dr. Romany, who I love, like, you know, she's doing like an impression of a fight where, you know, some abusive piece of shit goes, Alex, you're crazy.But that's not how it actually sounds.It's like, it was like, sometimes it was so emotional.
It was like, Anna, I'm begging you, like you're ruining everything you're making.Like it was so real for him that it was like, am I really, am I doing something terrible?And I think that,
You know, especially with conversations about like, well, you're always out with your friends and trying to isolate you, those kind of things.Like, I think they're really convinced that you're doing something terrible to them.
So like, the pain place is real.And that can be very, very misleading and convincing.
I just want to say the way that you everything you just said.Yeah.Did that any of that make sense?It made so much sense.If anything, it's probably one of the best descriptions of it because I really, really appreciate you saying like,
I still am uncovering some of the fucking red flags because I'm still even in my head being like, did that even happen?Am I, is it still some of it on me?
Like, I think that is a great message to just give to everyone listening is like, it is not normal.You should not be like, oh, that's bad behavior.And I recognize that you're being manipulative and gaslighting and blah, blah, blah.
when you're with someone that you love for so long and it does turn into an abusive situation it is so hard to see and that's why ignorant people that whether they don't have someone that they know or it never happened to them are like why didn't you just leave it's so it's so hard it's so much harder than that because even you to this day sitting here being like i still in my head i'm like
And even sharing that, I'm like, fuck, should I even say that?There's something that feels, I think incorrectly, but feels shameful about how am I not more solid in my healing, recovery, whatever?How am I still?
But it's not that, Anna.It's like you are present in your reality today, but when you reflect back on that relationship and that inner dynamic with that person, you are still perplexed by how the person sitting here today was in a situation
and how that went, that I think is normal.
I think that's what people struggle with, and that's why I'm appreciative of you talking with me about this, because it is so weird when you're like, I am happy and healthy now, so how can I still be affected by that?
I think it would be weird to not be affected by someone that manipulated you in a way, because it distorts your reality.Completely.
And so you sitting here, I guess I could ask, how have you learned, and I'm sure you're still doing it, to trust yourself again?
Yeah, it's hard.I mean, yeah, I mean, even having this conversation, you know, like in the, I know we haven't like gotten there, but in the movie that I made,
like something small like you know there are all these different women in the film and they all have like very different personalities and that felt important to me um because as like yet another kind of small reason why it feels like hey there's no i wish there was but there is no way to guarantee protection from someone who is determined to harm you and that sounds
grim and I guess it is but surely like the least we can do when someone has harmed us when we come out of like a devastating situation is take off that top layer of shame where we go well I should have known I should have seen I should have been different I should have been the tough girl I should have been the sweet girl I should have done and it's like none of that will save you none of that will save you and again like I almost hate saying that because it's so bleak
But I think I have, I did and still sometimes do so much self-shaming around like, how did I, how did I find myself in that situation?Like, I'm a real asshole.
So like, how did I, how did I not do the thing that I would have told you that I would do, which was immediately be like, throw a scarf over my shoulder and be like, have a nice life, dick.And, and like, it's, there's something like,
so vulnerable and kind of humiliating about the fact that I just stayed and I kept thinking, I'll just try to be, I don't know, warmer or better or something.I mean, even when our schedule was getting worked out to come and record this,
It was like the next day I went on social media and I saw a video of you talking about an experience you had where you were like, why did I not just leave?And I was like, girl, you were in a phone response.
And like that's the whole, like woman of the hour, it's like all phone response.It's all just like, what do I have to do to survive?Like you were doing what you had to do to survive.
Thank you for bringing it up because I do now want to talk about the movie.That's kind of what we've been building to is like these themes of every woman listening.
Yes, I feel like we're both pretty strong, independent women that we've got our careers and people could look at us and it's like, wow, you guys have got it all figured out.And we're both sitting here being like, no, no, no.
To this day, I've been in weird work situations that I'm like, wait, Alex Cooper, the Call Her Daddy person that just signed her big deal and all this.
No, there have been still moments in this industry where I am having uncomfortable interactions with people and I'm like, Wait, why didn't I just like do something?
Why weren't you just assertive?
It's not that easy.And it's, and I now want to talk about the movie because you're right.There are so many themes in it that are so brilliantly portraying what we as women go through every day.
And then it also, women will be like, yup, I've been there, I've been there.And still to this day, like, I don't know if men completely understand what we have to go through and why we fawn instead of scream, kick and punch in the face.
Um, let's talk about the movie.Um, Woman of the Hour, I, first of all, you were set to, you know, be the lead.Right.And then you also directed it.How did this come to be?
Yeah, so I actually got the script for Alice Darling and Woman of the Hour, like, the same, like,
month at least, like I want to say the same week but it might have been the same month and you know certain movies just come together quickly and certain movies take forever.
So I was attached as an actor for like two years and you know you're just sort of like well I love this script I love this story you know let me know and And that happens a lot in the industry.
And the other thing that happens is that sometimes something will just be kicking around for a long time.And then out of nowhere, it will be like, hey, we raised the money.And we have a start date.So let's try to keep this train on the tracks.
Because otherwise, it'll probably disappear again.And so we were suddenly starting the search for a director. I basically had like 48 hours where it was like this voice going, Anna, you should pitch yourself.And me going, shut up.Absolutely not.
Everyone needs to be quiet.We're not doing that.And it was that same feeling of like, oh my god, I'm going to push myself off a cliff.
Cliff and so I pitched myself to direct the movie Because I felt like I had become Slowly kind of obsessed with the script and there was a little bit of me Like where I would give like ideas feedback, whatever but you know, it was there were you know producers cooks in the kitchen, whatever and I
I was always a little bit like, well, you know, if it were my movie, I would probably do it like that, but it's not my movie, so whatever.And the idea of taking it and just tweaking it that little bit was really exciting to me.
So I pitched myself and I
got the job and then six weeks later I was in Canada doing like hard prep for the movie and then we were like making the movie and it really was like I'm gonna push myself off a cliff and I guess I will find out on the way down if I packed this parachute correctly.
Because if it had been six months later, I would have panicked and backed out.I would have been like, you guys are right.We should find someone way more experienced.It'll be great.
But I had also, in the last five years before that, started to have the experience of looking around a film set and going, huh. Oh, oh God, I'm the most experienced person here.Oh, oh no, I'm the most experienced person here and I'm an idiot.
This is a nightmare.Like it wasn't like, ooh, hot shit.It was like, oh no, but you are like, oh wow, I've been doing this a long time.So yeah, it felt like, okay, it's kind of a now or never.
And I was absolutely terrified, but I was trying to kind of just like fake it.I'm a super confident leader, I should be in charge of things.
And again, I don't know about you, but I absolutely overthink things and I can get paralyzed in perfectionism, all that stuff.And then when,
like my back was against the wall or like things were really running behind and you don't really have a choice but to be running on like adrenaline and instinct.
There were even things in the edit where, you know, you're looking at like the stuff in between takes where I would see myself like run into the frame and like give the actor a note and like adjust a piece of set deck.
And I was like, well, that lady seems like she knows what she's doing.Hey. Okay.Like when I'm in a blind panic and you don't really have a choice, I was like, she seems like she's an authority figure.How about that?
I mean, it's an incredible movie and you should be so proud of yourself.I know you are, but like to know that I didn't realize it was that where you're like, should I pitch myself?Should I pitch myself?
Thank God you pitched yourself because it's awesome.Like it really is amazing. Coming from someone that gets so fucking scared from movies like this.
Oh, I know, I know.And I did tell you, I was like, well, if you made it through the first five minutes, it's all, it's like, it gets easier from there.
It gets easier.But before, like for people who haven't watched it yet, the movie is based on an insane true story.Can you give just like a little bit of a bite for them to understand what's going on?
For sure, yeah.So it's based on the true story of a serial killer in the 1970s who went on the show, The Dating Game.
um and it moves around through time so it's kind of following this like more than a decade long period where he was really operating without consequence because nobody was really looking for him which is uh another interesting and by interesting i mean enraging um aspect of the story but uh
I play the bachelorette who's on the dating game and that some of that footage exists online but the full episode like all the footage appears to have been kind of like lost to time so the screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as this opportunity to
It's almost like a fantasy section of the movie, except the fantasy is, what if a woman stood up for herself?Can you imagine?But it's interesting because, speaking of asserting yourself, It's a really fun section of the movie.
It's a really tense movie, but that section is kind of fun.But as the viewer, it's complicated because you know that, OK, she's been shrinking herself and in a fawn response.And she's standing up for herself, which is so fun to watch.
But we know she's getting herself closer and closer to danger. complicated like there are times where you go why don't I just assert myself and it's like sometimes it's not that simple.
Women will understand those moments where you stroke the ego or you actually are like so fucking nice in situations that you're so uncomfortable in because in your head you're like the only way I'm getting out of the situation
is to be so appeasing and so nice and work it and then all of a sudden I know I'll be able to get out at some point but to a normal person that's never been in that situation or isn't a woman is like wait why don't they just like scream and run that's right and you're like
First of all, if I tried to scream and run, I'm dead, bitch.So fuck you.OK, like clearly we're not that dumb.I think that was like something very interesting in the movie.
Obviously, I talked to you earlier before we got out here about like that parking lot scene just like struck me because I think every woman, anytime you were in a dark area and you are walking anywhere,
your senses go up where you're like, what the fuck is going to happen to me?What the fuck is going to happen to me?Am I going to die?Am I going to get murdered?
How do you think this movie like what do you think it says about how women are preyed upon in society?
Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I just want to say like, it's so interesting that you use the word like your senses go up because even the way that like that scene was kind of the first scene that I could like visualize.
And I imagined it in kind of mediums and close ups.And then when that thing happens, where we've all been there, where you're like, an interaction is perfectly pleasant.
And then 10 seconds later, you're like, wait, 10 seconds ago, everything felt fine.And now like something feels very fucking dangerous.
It almost is like your entire, like your hearing, your peripheral vision is just like, okay, where do I see movement?Where do I hear movement?How unsafe am I?
And so that's when like the camera goes, jumps wide because it's like, oh, that's when you would be aware of like, oh, this parking lot is.
empty like there's not a maintenance man there's not a passing couple like all i can hear is the buzz of the street lights and it really is like in those moments in your own mind you're like oh i can almost hear like the ringing in my own ears because like there's nothing fuck there's nothing
That is so interesting stylistically, you having the decision making around the camera angles and how different, not that we love men and we love male directors, but I'm just so curious to know how a man would have directed that scene where you're directing it.
so in the presence of your own body and how you would feel in that moment.
Totally, man.And there were times when people were talking about, like when we were on set, people were talking about me as like, oh, I'm so glad a woman's directing this.And there were times where I was like, is it making that much of a difference?
I can't really tell. And then there were a bunch of examples like this, but there's a moment where the girl in the New York City apartment, when she kind of realizes like, oh, something's wrong.I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong.
And she doesn't even drop her smile, and you can just sort of see it in her eyes.And when we were shooting that, one of my producers was like, should we just do another take where it's just more clear what's happening?
And I was like, it will be very clear to women what's happening. Like, I think it will be clear to most men, but I was also like, if there's like 20% of men who are like, I don't understand what's happening in this scene, fine.Right, that's okay.
That would be fine.I would much rather like actually be like, no, this is how you would handle this.Like, you wouldn't let on.
at all no um so yeah it it was like oh i wasn't really sure how um like being a woman director would really show up in the movie but then yeah there were a bunch of things like that where i was like oh no that's not even what the scene's about like what no i love it so much and i i think again the themes are so important for people in society to just like grasp onto and understand and i think this is like a very accurate depiction obviously heightened like we're not all not like dealing with like a murderer
There are so many stories that I hear where, I mean, even your story, where you're like, why didn't I just, whatever.It's like, you did what you had to do.Are you kidding?Are you kidding?
It's just so weird, Daddy Gang, we're talking about the Paris episode, the Paris story.If you haven't listened, go listen.But like, yes, that story, I remember being so even anxious to tell the story online at first, because I was like, oh God.
Everyone's just gonna say like, well, girl, what were you thinking?
Like, why'd you get on a plane?Like, why'd you go? Because I thought that he was a normal, nice man.I think that's what we all go into it.
Unless you are burned so deeply from a young age, which is horrific, and you have those guards up from a young age, you go through life for a while until you hit a point where you are
fucked over in a way that like will stay with you for the rest of your life and we wish that wouldn't happen to us but when it happens you can't unsee it but before it happens you're trusting people you're like I want to trust people yeah I want to have a good time with someone like isn't it interesting that we're so easily uh
induced to go like, well, what were you thinking?Like trusting someone?Thinking other people are good?But then, by the way, if you're like, oh, I'm kind of cagey about dating and stuff right now, it's like, well, you gotta open yourself up.
And you're like, all right.Oh, oh, oh, oh, this is a setup.This is a trap.Oh, I see.I see.There's no winning.
Got it.There's no fucking winning.Speaking of dating, as we're wrapping up, I promise.Oh, no.Are you dating?Are you single?What's going on?
Are you dating, are you single, what's going on?No, no, I'm single but it is funny.
I was like, I was thinking the other day, I've been single for a while and I was like, oh God, this is very me, I'm very avoidant and I have all these kind of like little traps in my head or like escape hatches or whatever.
And I think for a long time now, I've been like, ugh, nope, no prospects.
Meanwhile, I'm like, Anna, every time your phone buzzes, it's someone being like, oh, I know this guy who writes on this great, he's on that show that's so great that everybody loves, and he really wants to meet you, so just let me know.
And I just put it back down and go, no prospects for old Anna.Poor Anna, nobody wants me.It's such a game that I'm playing with myself, where I'm like, oh, I'm not wanting to go there, so I just don't see. What's happening?
Like people going like, I'd love to take you out for a meal.And me going like, oh, he wants to be buddies.Like, that's not even a euphemism.That's just like how people ask you on dates.
And it's just amazing the way that I'm like, oh, no one for poor Hannah.It's so pathetic.
You're just not in the mood.
Yeah, basically.Well, and also like, I made this movie about like the most dangerous violent man.So there might be some bleed over there.
No, I think it's, I love when people are like, no, I'm not dating.I think like we can normalize that when people are like, you're not seeing anyone.I hate those friends that are like, come on.It's like, first of all, shut up.
I'll do it when I want to.But clearly like, yes, you went through something with someone and you made this movie and now it's like, you're going to get back out there when you want to get back out there.
Is there anything that's like a non-negotiable for you in a relationship?
Oh, well, in spite of my not great experience with couples therapy, I was like, first of all, I'm never getting involved with a man.Meaning, we're not even kissing.
We're not even going to have a real conversation unless you are in or have been in therapy.And if we're actually like, oh, OK, maybe this is a relationship, we're getting a couple therapist from jump.From jump.And like, by the way.
that guarantees nothing like even that but yeah i i i love that a man that's in therapy i know it warms my it warms my heart it's a good time it is not a guarantee of anything you're right it's not a guarantee but at least it's like a little bit more like
it's a little bit more in the right direction completely because a man that's like i would never fucking go to therapy i'm like what's wrong with you you're the one that has the most fucking trauma like not a good time and can i say i mean even the kind of going back to the red flag thing that like
I'm aware that I love that there is a bit of a community and women wanting to share, ooh, this turned out to be a red flag.And we should know those things and know that it doesn't necessarily protect us to look out for those things.
But I was thinking about how a classic one is any guy that says, oh, all my exes are crazy, that's a red flag. I was like, you know, all these guys have access to the same internet and the same culture that we do.
So I don't think that they're rocking up to first dates and going, Oh, all my exes are crazy fucking bitches.They're like, it was a messy situation.It was, you know, and I've been burned.And look, I probably contributed in some ways, too.But
I'm like, as we're learning it, they are too.Not to be like, oh, they're like, and I don't even think they're doing it on purpose.It's just happening subconsciously.
No, like those little fuckers are fully learning off of this episode being like, don't say this, do this.No, you're right.You're right.They're taking notes.Like they're not idiots.You're right.
I had a guy tell me about an ex where he was doing like it was almost like he was getting me to collude with him by being like no she was a great person but then would tell me things about her that would make me go that's not okay that's awful and he would sort of be like oh wow really do you think it was and then it was all bullshit it was all full-on fabricated crazy
But like it is like, oh, they're oh, oh, they're learning.They're like velociraptors.My God.
OK, so on a first date, what do you want to be doing on a first date?Are you going to a dinner?Are you doing a coffee?Are you doing a fucking Zoom meeting?Oh, my God.What are we doing?What's your ideal first date?
I know I'm like is there a way to just like have it like at my house in my pajamas I mean like you have to look nice and I will be like recording it for the authorities so don't try anything but yeah I am like what leave the house?Dinner?
Alex that's disgusting why would you say that?You'll do a FaceTime date.What go to a movie?Oh my god.Your movie?
How iconic.Yes.Kind of iconic.OK, last two questions.What is your best quality that you think you bring to a relationship?
Oh, God.Oh, sometimes when I feel like I've seen like memes and stuff online about like the girlfriend that will be like, this isn't what he ordered. You know how some men are like, oh, well, this isn't, but that's OK, and I'll just eat it.
I'm very much like the bodyguard.I think I'm compensating for how short I am.I'm always like, wait, wait, now hang on a second.Which is weird, because I'm the person where if the wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it.
But when it's somebody else, and it's the same thing with friends, where I'm like, where are they?No, no, no.No, no, no.Who said that to you? No, no, no.Where are they?I just want to talk.No, no, no.I just want to talk.
Like, I really talk crazy to people.It's a lot.But I don't know.I like that about myself.I kind of love that.I don't know if you find that it's way easier for me when it's somebody else.
Of course.And then to stick up for yourself, you're like, oh, no.No, no, no.Never, never.But to someone else, I'm like, oh, I got you, bitch.I'm coming in full swinging.Like, let's go.No.
I'm like, they're already dead.We don't even have to worry about it.I slept through it last night.It's fine.
That's a good friend to have.This is good to know about you.Brittany's lucky, but you're also lucky.Last question.What do you think is like the biggest misconception about you?
Oh, God, I don't know.I don't know.I mean, sometimes.OK, sometimes I don't know if this counts as like a misconception, but sometimes I truly don't realize how dry I'm being.I have like such
nervous kid sister energy around um like real like comics um and uh so i'll try to like be funny like even even if someone's just funny like i'll be like oh yeah i have to like keep up and i'll go so dry that
I think sometimes I don't realize it comes off like I'm being dead serious.I saw a TikTok of myself once.I was at this party, and this guy just got me to do a video with him.
And I was joking that he told me that he'd been filming me from across the party.It was fine.It was fine.Whatever. but I was like, oh, we're doing a bit about how like, oh, you were secretly filming me, motherfucker.
Like, so, okay, we're doing, like, I'm like, yeah, we're doing a bit.And then I see the TikTok, cause it like went viral.And I was like, oh my God, it seems like I'm, it seems like I'm, it seems like I'm ready to kill this man.
Which like, look, mostly am I ready to kill men at any given moment?A little, but I was like, I'm being so funny.And then I saw it back and I was like, oh my God.And all the comments were like, wait, is she being,
serious and i was like i don't know am i being serious my god like and it really i'd never like seen just a video of me doing a bit that wasn't like coming across as a bit right so i was like oh my god how many times how many times because this is like the tone that i snap into
when there's a comedy director or something, where I was like, oh, wow, there have got to be so many situations where they're like, I don't know.I thought we were getting along fine.And then she just snapped.She went dead-eyed on me or something.
Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm being so funny.It's going great.OK.I'm nailing it.Anna, you're nailing it.And that is the end of our episode.
And that concludes today's session, ladies and gentlemen. Anna, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy.This was so fun.
You're amazing.This was the best.Thank you.
Thank you so much for everything.Thank you.Thank you.
