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Well, guys, one of my good friends is here today, Mark Green.And if you don't know Mark, he is the founder and CEO of Mardell Christian Stores.Many of you have been to these stores.I just went to one, Mark, this week.
He's a part of the Hobby Lobby family and helps run the companies and is probably the leading voice behind so many ministries that you care about.I mean, just has been an advocate for everything from Illuminations to The Chosen.
All over Christendom, the power and beauty of the generosity of Martin and his family have shaped Christianity.And so we're going to talk a lot about generosity today.
We're also going to talk about a recent book that he just released with David Bowden, and it really is such a beautiful book, including the title, which is Learning to Live Loved. Gosh, it tackles every way.We have to learn that.
We're going to dive in.I'm so excited you're here, Mart.Thank you.
Thank you, Jenny.Excited to be with you and appreciate this time together.
I think we first became friends because of Illuminations. This is a passion project for you.
So let's start there because this was really... You were a part of shaping, if you don't know what Illuminations is, it is a cohort, an alliance of basically all of the major Bible translation teams that Mart and another friend of ours, Todd Peterson, just said, hey, this is silly that all these organizations work separately.
Let's have them work together. So you were kind of there from the beginning, Mart.Is that right?
Yeah.It was May 3rd, 2010 when I called the first meeting.And just as a business person, I thought 2150 was when the last Bible translation was going to get started.And so I said, Let's get together.
So what wound up being 11 CEOs and five resource partners, we came together and said, how about 2033?Let's have an all access goal by 2033.So that, uh, and it has metrics to it.
And, um, so we can do so much better together than a separate and being a business person, you kind of think that way.
And so, yeah, it actually started May the third, 2010 got to put on my heart that someday there'd be a project so big that no ministry could do by themselves.
be so big no donor could do it by themselves and it'd be so big that if the ministry and donors didn't come together it wouldn't get done.
So God gave me that vision in 98 and then he revealed to me in February of 2010 that it was to eradicate Bible poverty.
So then I said okay Lord if we're gonna eradicate Bible poverty I'm just gonna call all my friends and get them together and see what we can do.So yeah that was the genesis of it.
Well, I believe it is currently revolutionizing the way ministry is done because it did shave off, if you just did the math, 120 something years that now the Bible will reach the ends of the earth.
So yeah, this has been so encouraging to Zach and I from the moment we understood illuminations.We've felt like, why does every issue and organization not work together like this because it is so, so helpful and powerful.
And it really has, I mean, I know it's not easy.I know too much.I know it's hard for these organizations to work together, but gosh, they are doing it and it really has changed everything.
And so, yes, you've got to know about that, but there's so many things.We could talk about probably 20 things that are near and dear to your heart. But let's start with generosity, because this is such a passion for you.
Let's just start with where this originated.Where did you decide, your family decide, you know what, let's be generous with what God's doing?Was it before Hobby Lobby blew up and was a multi-billion dollar company?
Yeah, it started with my grandmother.Now, I don't, unfortunately, I don't know my grandmother's, I don't know my great-grandmother, but I know my grandmother was generous.My grandmother was a tent revivalist with her dad in the 1930s.
So my grandmother and her dad would go out, pitch a tent, and preach, and just go city to city.And one day, a young man who was raised to be a dancer, did not know the Lord, for some reason went to the tent, and he gave his heart to two people.
He gave his heart to Jesus, and he gave his heart to Marie, my grandmother. So they pastored little churches, never more than a hundred.Um, but, uh, they were, uh, always generous.Now the pressure for my dad, cause he has, there's six of them.
You only could be three things.You had to be a pastor, a missionary or evangelist.Pretty much everything else was in class.Okay.And so, uh, and my dad's the only one that didn't feel that way.My dad felt second class as a businessman.
Uh, but my grandmother, she had two dresses.Many times she gave one away. And even though three girls in the bedroom, mom and dad in the living room, the three boys in the kitchen, my dad moved probably six times during his schooling years.
They move these pastures around.But she also, if you gave her a gift. My grandmother figured out the value of it because she didn't want to pay tithes on her increase.
And so that impacted my dad to see her make up what we'd call sack a widow's mite kind of generosity.Generosity is not for the rich.Generosity is for everyone.It's a principle just like love is not it's for everybody.
And so because of that, my dad saw that generosity and we were generous and then The second story from my dad was he was in Tennessee and then somebody made an appeal to get literature to foreign countries and foreign languages.
And they asked for $30,000.Well, God moved on my dad to give $30,000.And he didn't have $30,000.I mean, we'd just get started in Hobby Lobby.We were just trying to make the business go.We're having a hard time paying bills on time.
And God gives us $30,000.So we went up to the guy and he says, I'm going to give you four checks, $7,500 each. September, October, November, December.And this is my faith promise.
If God provides it, I'll call you, but do not cash those things until I call.And so, and then on the plane trip back, God convicted my dad that he was anointed to be a merchant.So he knew you could be anointed to be a missionary, pastor, all those.
My dad never looked back, never felt second class again.And so yeah, generosity just became part of the bloodstream or the way the river flowed in our family.So it was through example.
Well, you know, I remember one of the first times we met, you put a little book in my hands.Tell everybody about that little book and how that shaped you as well.Treasure Principle, was it?
Yeah.The Law of Rewards is the kind of the booklet that came out of that.So Randy Alcorn writes a book and he says, you can't take it with you, but you can send it on ahead.And so he flushes out that what I believe determines where I'm going to go.
I don't believe in a works faith.I believe that it's told by faith that I'm going to heaven. But your experience in heaven is going to be based on your behavior.So what you believe is one thing is behavior.And I said, Whoa, I've never heard this.
So it was like this.You can't take it with you.Every day I, every day I get one day further from my possessions, but every day I get one day closer to my eternal possessions. I don't know what that is, but God rewards, and he says he rewards.
I didn't ask him to do that.He says he rewards 30, 60, 100.So every generous act that I'm doing, I believe is going to be paid back 30, 60, 100 times someday.
I don't have that all figured out how God does it, but it's one way for us to show, I say generosity is a relational response to Jesus.
So when you love Jesus, when I love my wife Diane, when I started courting her, somehow my money just started flowing right toward her. I spent money on her.
And now when you love Jesus, that's where your money's going to go, because you love Him and it's a generosity, relational response to Him.
I want to talk, Mark, about just your faith, because you love Jesus.You believe—we're talking this season about spiritual warfare and about the Holy Spirit.You believe in the Holy Spirit.You listen to the Holy Spirit daily.
You've said things to me at times, like God said on the way here that you need to blank.And so I just want you to share a little bit about where that came from for you.Maybe it began with your grandmother, that too.
But where did you really learn to have a relationship with God and to depend on the voice of the Spirit?
Yeah, Ginny, I was raised in a Christian home, but Satan is a deceiver.He has a heart language, it's called lying, and so he lies to you.So you still have this sense that you kind of have to earn it.
You know, if I do something bad, I better go hide in the corner, you know?And so that's kind of the deal.But it was February the 7th, 1998.It was a defining moment when my life radically changed.I was raised in a Christian home.
I had Christian bookstores, all of this, but I saw a man get his Bible and his heart language for the first time. And when I saw that, I call them Holy Spirit promptings.
God's never spoken to me audibly, but sometimes I have something happen in my spirit.And this particular day, I had argued with God for two days that I had just sent money.It wasn't a good return on investment.
As a business, I like return on investment. Because I found out this people group that I paid for the printing of the Bible only had 30,000 people and only 400 could read.I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
I just sent all this money and only 400 people can read the Bible.Not a good return on investment.I'm not going to do this anymore.And then it took me two days to get to this people group.
And so when Gaspar went forward to get his Bible, he did something I've never seen before.At Mardell, we sell Bibles, but I've never seen anybody weep when I help them find that right Bible.
He's taking a handkerchief out of his pocket and wiping it off.In that moment, I had a Holy Spirit prompting.The Holy Spirit prompting was, Martz, why don't you go tell Gaspar he's not a good ROI?And I had already settled that question.
He wasn't until then.And so I actually have a painting in my home that's four foot by four foot of that moment because I call that the BGAG moment before Gaspar and then after Gaspar. So the next morning I made a vow to the Lord.
I've only made two to my wife, Diana, for 42 years.And I've kept that and I love it.I don't regret that I made that vow.Bear with the eighth, 1988.I get first thing and read God's word for the rest of my life.
And so my intimacy, God took off then, because I got serious about God.I got serious about his word.I got up this morning again and read, I get excited because I'm like, Lord, what are you going to say to me today?Because this book is alive.
And so that has radically changed my life and my, what I call intimacy with God.And so our family mission statement is to love God intimately, live extravagant generosity.
And so, but Bible absorption is one of, I have 31 ways that I've gotten into it with the Lord.I have a little document I put together. When do I get close to the Lord?Songs, nature, 31 different ways.
Yes, it's so good.Well, and I love that, too, because I do think we tend to be like, Bible study, that's it.But you really, you are like, no one loves the Bible more than Mark Green.
And you also know that God is in so many things, and you've connected with him in so many places and ways.Could we link to that 31 ways of connecting with Jesus?
Okay, we'll have that link for you all to download that because it really is just beautiful and simple.You and your tools, I feel like every time I see you, you like put something in my hands.That's so great.I love it about you.
It's real though, and I think you do believe in tools because you started Mardels.Like you see the value of tools that help you know God's word and grow closer to him.Before we move to the book, I want to talk about stories.
And I guess this does move us into the book because some of what you do in the book is tell just fantastic stories.So talk a little bit about just your favorite stories from the work that you're doing.
And it can be across any ministry that you're touching right now, but you've seen some miraculous things happening.So talk about what you see God doing on earth right now in small and big ways.
Yeah, and obviously Bible translation is one of those.We kind of shared that story.Another one would be in 2008, I met a young man named Bobby Grunewald.A friend of mine in Florida called me and said, I want you to meet Bobby Grunewald.
I said, okay, where's he at?He says, oh, he's in Oklahoma City.And so I was a little upset that my friend in Florida knew my friend in Oklahoma City.I'm like, this is my town.You know, of course it's a big town.
And so I called Bobby Grunewald and he was going to put the Bible on the computer. But he was 32 year old when we had the idea, but he didn't realize that to put the Bibles on you had to get the rights because somebody owns the NIV.
Somebody owns the New Living Translation.These translations are open, are owned.He didn't know that.Well, he's 32 year old, has no relationship.And he's asked them to give him that text so he could put it up for free.
And they're like, no, we ain't doing that.And so I took my trust that I had built and said, hey, Bobby, meet my friend.Now I can only do so much.Bobby still had to do a lot of hard work.
But I at least had the relationship because I had Christian bookstores.I knew all the Bible people.I knew all the people that might could help him.So he slowly got the rights.It was hard.It took some time.
We finally got one, then two, but it wasn't working.The computer people weren't going to it.They weren't using to it, using it.Then he came to say, Mark, Apple's going to come out with this app store.
So we're going to write the app and give it away for free on the app.And of course I had a Blackberry. I said, Bobby, you can't get people to read the Bible on the computer.How are you gonna get them to read it on this little bitty screen?
And so I said, I don't get it, but you're the IT guy.We did all this hard work.You already got the rights. And so he said, we're gonna set a goal.We're gonna try to download 60,000 in the next six months.
And he called me on Monday and 83,000 downloads the first month.And that's when I went from being a trust friend to being a treasure friend.So I went with the family.I said, let's gas this guy and get him going.
And today, as you may know, over 800 million devices have downloaded the Bible.And so 2,300 languages.
Mind-blowing.And you know, I mean, it is on all of the apps, the Bible app.I mean, that's what people know it as.They actually don't know YouVersion.They know the Bible app.
It is a miracle, I mean, that they were there right at the right time, that you were his friend.And I just saw online something that before I was a Christian, I believed in coincidences.Now I pray and there are no coincidences.
And it's like, there's no coincidences that it feels like between Craig Richelle and Life.Church and YouVersion and your family, it just feels like all roads, you know, Roman roads go through Oklahoma City impacting the kingdom.It's just real.
And it's so beautiful.But I love too that so much of the work for you is just relational.It's just you have friendship with people and God It uses that friendship and your family's relationships with people.It's really beautiful.
And then great work is birth and built.I have to talk about this too just because we both love it so much, but The Chosen is also one of those things for you.
Talk about why you love that show so much because some of you, even though I've talked about it a bazillion times and we have interviewed Jonathan, some of you have still not turned it on.
So just tell everybody just your reason why you love it so much.
Well, I was just like all your audience that took 14 people.The average person takes 14.So maybe this will be the 14th time somebody hears this.Okay.And they'll go watch it.Here's what's crazy.I have Christian bookstores.I sell the product.Right.
And I still hadn't watched it.I just thought, ah, I don't think it's going to be good.And my friend gave it to me. Which is kind of ironic.A friend gives me a product that I sell.And so I thought, oh, good friend of mine.
I thought, all right, I got to watch this.So I stick it in.It was a DVD.Watch season one, episode one.And I'm watching it.And it gets to the point where Jesus approaches Mary and calls her by name.He says, fear not.I have redeemed you.
I've called you by name.You are mine.And I had a Holy Spirit.I was weepy.I was weepy.We all were.Yeah.And the Holy Spirit prompted me.You are gone to help Dallas and Amanda reach the vision I put on their heart. It wasn't my vision.This is theirs.
You're going to help them.Well, I've learned when God speaks, if it's really him, that's really Holy Spirit prompting.I really don't have to do anything else.Something will happen next.So that was in early 2020, May 25th, 2021.
I'm in a meeting talking about languages.And at the end, I didn't premeditate it.I didn't think it through.
They were trying to think about another project i said oh what if we go to the chosen they're only gonna do the monetize languages are for profit company let's go to chosen say how many languages y'all gonna do you be twenty five or thirty is about as far you would go will take it from there will take a thirty one will take you to six hundred cuz i know ninety five percent of the world speaks the top six hundred languages.
So that was May the 25th, 2021 at two o'clock.Well, I don't have Dallas's number.I don't know him, but I'm, I'm one degree away, right?I know somebody I'll call Jenny.She may know him.I'll call somebody.I'll find Dallas, but I'll do it tomorrow.
Well, that night I, uh, went to bed and I don't like to have any red dots on my phone.You understand what I'm saying?You got a little red dot.
I am that person too.I don't understand the people that have 17,000, 17,000 texts and red text messages.
So I've got to get them all off.So I go to Facebook.I've never posted social media.That's not me, but I had a red dot there.I go to Facebook messenger and it's Dallas Jenkins reaching out to me six hours after.Yeah.Right.Coincidence, right?
Is that, is that your coincidence quote there? I'm 62 years old.It's the first time ever that Dallas has reached out to me.It's within six hours when I'm getting ready to go look for him.
So that started a relationship, and so, yeah, I think it's gonna be one of the most powerful tools.We're gonna help him get in 600 languages for these seven seasons, and so it's just amazing.
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Let's talk about your personality, because your brother is so different from you.It's so funny who you married, because y'all are nine-day, too.You are a little firecracker.
Talk about even just the personality God gave you, just your gifting, because I never heard you talk about this, but I do feel like you are unique.
Yeah, great question.You did a series with Jamie Winship not too long ago, and so when I heard him talk about identity, I pushed back into myself to say, well, what's my identity?
So I went outside, I was praying, and then the Lord gave me a visual I felt like.It was a bridge.And then it led me to two words.He's a militant peacemaker, if you remember.That's what his identity was, a militant peacemaker.
I think mine's a transformational unifier.
Transformational unifier.Sometimes you have to, is that those two words don't quite, you have to transform it, then unify it.I had to do it in Christian retelling, bringing education.
What I did there, I went to Oral Roberts University, had to do the Bible translation.So somehow God uses me to be a transformational unifier and my three, and so a bridge.So I feel like I'm a bridge that brings things together.
And at some point I'm really not needed anymore. All right, but I am now inside it.I'm in that DNA, and that DNA is now inside of me.So all these things that I've done are inside of me.I'm inside of it, and bridges get walked on.
So that's part of the process.The adventure, it's uncomfortable.You get wounded, but you see God provide.And so just through Jamie, just in the last two or three weeks, I've kind of figured that.
And then my three core values would be that I want to be compound generosity, Einstein said he found the eighth great wonder of the world, compound interest.And I said, well, he didn't meet the number one, the greatest guy of all time.
If he had met Jesus, he'd have said compound generosity.Give now, because it produces.Plant your seeds now.So there are people that are selling their business, putting money away.
And there's reason to hold some of that, but I'm like, no, no, sooner rather than later.Your kids don't need to be giving it away.Gotta give it to you.Give it now.Compound generosity.So I want to be generous.I want to have confident humility.
So I want to be confident in him.I'm confident in Jesus, but I'm humble because it ain't me.It's him.And then I want to have sacrificial integrity.
And so my three big words are generosity, integrity, but I added it more because of Jamie added words to the front of them.And sometimes I've had to go back and sacrificially do things that somebody else did.That was a mistake.
And, but I felt like no integrity is to go back and clean up the mess.It wasn't my fault, but it's my responsibility.So that's kind of my personality.
You know, I was thinking about, I'm friends with some of y'all's kids as well, and I was just thinking how Lauren one time was talking about she had to replace something in her house and they were on a budget and all these things.
And I was like, what?And I'm thinking, y'all really have, like y'all give away everything.She was like, I gotta figure out how to fix my house. But I just think it's so beautiful that, you know, it's so countercultural.
And I'm so grateful that y'all talk about it because it's been such an example to Zach and I. When Zach and I left, and of course we'll never
have the kind of resources y'all have, but just like you say, whatever you have, viewing it in this way that it's not ours, that we're stewarding it and we exist to give it away, it really does shape people.
So just, even if you could, if you're comfortable talking about your view of handing down wealth and what that looked like when you think about the next generation and your kids, because y'all, it's very unique how you think about that.
Yeah, my dad was kind of trying to really figure out what to do if he and my mom died.Hobby Lobby got to the point that if they both died, our tax bill, I mean, we'd have to probably sell the company.
It'd be hard to pass the company down because of the tax.So what do you do?You buy insurance. Well, you buy insurance, you buy more insurance.Well, the company gets bigger and bigger, right?So, we started this company on $600.So, it starts at $600.
You don't have that problem in the beginning.Survival is your problem for the first 20 years, right?But then all of a sudden, you get to this place.And so, then you do generation skipping.You give ownership to your grandkids.
And then he just started thinking, well, but what if my grandkids don't want to be in the business?And all those kind of things. We just really realized that there was something if you're generous, you can do something different.
So we all have him again.So we're going to give ninety nine percent of the company went to trust and we'll keep one percent.And that one percent has all the voting stuff.
So what that means is someday if the company gets sold, then there'll be a whole lot of money to give away, because the 99% will go into a foundation to be given away.
I just need everybody to understand what you're saying, that you basically gave away 99% of the company.Yes, you still had control, full control, but that's pretty insane.Did it feel risky at the time? It just felt right.
It felt natural because we always felt like we were stewards.We always knew we were growing trees.We had one tree in the beginning, the little bitty sprawny tree.Now there's a thousand.There's a thousand trees.
Our kids know there's no trees out there for you.There's no limbs.There are no leaves.The only thing you can get is fruit.And if you want to be a cashier, you get paid this much.If you want to be a buyer, this much.
And so they have opportunity just like anybody else would.But that's stewardship versus ownership.If you want to own it, we do not know how to help you.If you want to steward your business, then you view everything differently.
If you wanna give away 99% of your business, talk to the green.But man, has God blessed it.
I mean, did you know, I found out yesterday, or this week, I was with my publisher, and they said, did you know your number two sales channel after Amazon is Hobby Lobby?Not Mardell's, not Target, not Walmart, it's Hobby Lobby.
I was like, you have got to be kidding me.And they, I mean, I just can't believe.And it's not even a bookstore.Y'all are just, it's amazing the amount God has blessed you and blessed that business. I just think it's such a beautiful model.
Give it away and it comes back a billion fold, I guess.I mean, this is really beautiful.Thank you for sharing all that because you just blew everybody's brains.Let's talk about the book.So why did you want to get this message out?
Why was learning to be loved such an important message for you?
Yeah.Well, David Bowden had the idea.I write books.They're called five-and-a-half by eight-and-a-half sheets of paper, and I get everything usually on one document.I've handed several of those to you.My longest one ever was a four-page.
Gateways have been to me, so four pages of my book.People say, oh, you need to write a book.I say, no, no.I sell books.I'm on the other side.Everybody can write them.
But David Bowden came to me one day and said, Mart, I want to write this book called Learning to be Loved.I've always felt like I had to earn God's love, but I'm just now learning that God is coming after me.
But Mart, when I talk to you, I always feel like God is chasing you down.Yeah.And that's kind of the way you live life.And I go.
Yeah, he's right.So he hit me on my one subject intimacy with God.If I'm going to write one thing, I probably wouldn't write about intimacy.People say you're the Bible family.I said, no, no, no, no.
We're the intimacy with God family because we just believe the Bible is the way to get to our ultimate goal.Our ultimate goal is not the Bible.Our ultimate goal is intimacy with God.So anyway, I took my intimacy.
He had my gateways of interest to me, my little four page little booklet. And he said, if you'll take 20 of these stories, I'll, I'll write kind of theologically.And he shares some of his stories.And then I just wrote a story.So he wrote 75% of it.
I wrote 25%, but he, so I wrote 600 word stories, 200, I mean, 20, 600 word stories.So that still stressed me pretty much.I'm not like you and some of these prolific authors out there can write hundreds and thousands of words.
So 600 at 20 is a max me out.
That's amazing.Well, but it added so much.I mean, what a vision on David's part to come to you because I love what he said about you.That's so accurate, Mart.
It just feels like you really do get a fun, special relationship with God, and I know we have access to it.We all do. You really do.It feels like he does chase you down.
One of the things he says in the book is that sometimes we talk about gateways or the gateways of intimacy.Sometimes we feel like we have to go into that gateway and go find God.And we're saying, no, no, no, no.
God's standing outside of the gateway waiting for you.Nature, God is in nature.He's there.You don't have to go find him.He's already there.
So when you show up with the right spirit and you're committed to him, you'll find him showing up all over the place.So nature, all these different places, God's done some amazing things.And so, yeah.
I feel like God chases me down and I believe he does everybody.I believe he loves everybody that much.It's not that he doesn't love everybody.He doesn't love Mark Green special, right?
I just realized he loves me so much and I just want to go back and give back to him.So that's what we're trying to challenge people to do.
So I want you to, we're going to close, and I want you just to speak to the person that today feels like God is so distant.
What would you say if you're sitting across from coffee with someone and they said, I want that, I want intimacy with God, but I don't totally know how to go get it?
Yeah, I would probably start with first hoping they would understand this love.But what I think I would do, because I think God's word is the love letter.That's how you know he loves you.Go read his love letter.
And I would suggest I pray these three verses every morning before I do.I get on my knees because I want to say, I surrender to you.I pray Psalms 119.18.Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in your law.That's the prayer.
My second one is give me insight. So I can do what you tell me, my whole life, one long obedient response.That's Psalms 119.34.And then I jumped to James 4 and 8, come near to God and he will come near to you.And I call that my O-I-O-I.
Open, insight, obey, intimacy. And so if you will try that, go do that for 30 days and then come back and tell me what happened.And so, um, I believe opening God's love letter, trusting him, believing he'll open your eyes.He will give you insight.
Now you got to obey.Okay.Sometimes God gives you something.Typically when God prompts you to something, it ain't on your list and it's going to get wounded and it's going to be uncomfortable, but trust God.
And then you'll have that intimacy that you're looking for.
Mart, I'm so grateful for you.You're a good friend, and I love causing trouble with you for the kingdom.We keep ending up in rooms caring about the exact same things.So I'm really grateful for you and your friendship, and thank you, thank you.
Will you pray we close this and ask God just to really to meet everybody listening in their personal lives right now?
Yeah, I'd like to pray my verse today.So this is where I was this morning.
I was in 1 Kings 3 and 9, and it says, give me an understanding heart so that I can govern your people well and know the difference between right and wrong for who by himself is able to govern this great people of yours.
And the Life Application Bible said, when given a chance to have anything in the world, Solomon asked for wisdom, an understanding heart.In order to lead well and to make right decisions, we can ask God for the same wisdom.So Lord,
We thank you, God, that you offer us wisdom.You just say we have to ask.And so we come to you asking for wisdom, Lord, because we need it in life.Lord, we don't come to ask you to do what you want us to do.We want wisdom to know what to do.
So Lord, help us to know what to do.And so I pray for each listener that's listening today that may be discouraged, that has been defeated, has been knocked down, as we all have, that God, you were there for us.You never give up.
No matter where we've ever gone, you are chasing us down. Lord, help us just to turn and walk one step closer to you every day, one step closer to Jesus.And we thank you for that wisdom.I thank you for Jenny.
Thank you for all the people that she touches all around the world.And we pray everything that we do would bring you glory.Amen.
There are few people as catalytic and generous and risk-taking as Mark Green.And you've got to check out his book, Learning to be Loved, The Everyday Believer's Guide to a Rich Relationship with God, that he co-wrote with his friend David Bowden.
I'm dropping a link in the show notes for you guys to check that out.And we can't wait to see you back here again for another episode of the Made for This podcast.
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