Hello, ScreenRot fans, and welcome to this week's episode.
When we were recording this week, I stupidly forgot to start the Zoom recorder for a portion of the audio in the middle, and we thought for a moment that all was lost, but an incredible Rotter called Alex Archer, who is a sound engineer, and you can find his stuff at alxsound.com, he helped us, and he took the audio from the camera, and he's tweaked it, made it sound good, and it sounds almost exactly the same
To be fair, Timmy's done an incredible job.Thanks to Alex again.So you will notice that the bit in the middle sounds slightly different to the bit at the start and at the end where we've got the normal microphones.
But overall, I think it's worryingly similar to the job that I do.He's managed to country out of nothing.So thanks again to Alex and enjoy this week's episode.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Screen Rock podcast, the podcast where we discuss the weirdest and worst content that's been on our screens and indeed our minds.I'm here with Jake Farrell. Only joking.
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And of course, most importantly and most exceptionally, a big wink and a kiss to all the ladies who listen, who are indeed some of the most gorgeous and sexy ladies in the United Kingdom of England.I'm here with Jake Felt.
I'm glad you remembered there.
And also, I appreciate, you're kind of, you're aware of the basketball player Michael Jordan?You know of him?I've heard of Big George.You've heard of Big George?He's got a, I think kind of later in his career, he had one game where he had the flu.
And he played through it.
And he's called, it's called the flu game and he was like on top of his game.This is your flu game I think.I'm not that sick, I'm alright.
I don't know if you can hear it in my voice a little bit.
You can hear it a little bit, you're almost like struggling to, because that's a long, you've got to take a long breath to get out all of the intros.
No, I didn't do the intro very well because I took the break as the little wind-up in the middle.I didn't do the breath properly at the start.Anyway, how are you?What's going on, mate?Welcome to the show, everybody.
If you're a first-time listener, welcome.If you're a long-time listener, we do appreciate all of you.We've got a great episode today. We're going big with our targets recently.
Someone mentioned that on, there was a comment, I can't remember if it was on Instagram, Patreon or something.But someone was like, yeah, you're going for big boys at the moment.And I think we are.
I look back at some of the previous targets who were smaller.And it's not that I have regrets. Andrew Goodwin's got 31,000 followers on Instagram.
If you don't know who that is, he's like this kind of like Gen Z kind of Britpop reloaded amateur musician.We really fucking two-footed.And like the kid's got like 31,000 followers.
I mean he is, crucially, you know, when you're laying awake at night thinking what have I done? which this podcast frequently makes us do.You do look up where they went to school and find out exactly how much the fees were.Oh thank god.Oh thank god.
Oh, his father works for that company.Oh, thank God.
I was always feeling guilty.Thank God.Yeah.But this, I mean, this summer it became, it became cool to be rich in comedy, didn't it?In comedy?Yeah.
There was more than a couple of articles about, there's a couple of people that kind of came out as being rich, Finlay Christie and Olga Koch.They did shows about being rich and suddenly that was the talk of the town.
Yes.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Fucking hell, how good must that be?Imagine having millionaire parents and then it's suddenly being in trend to have millionaire parents.
That's what I'm saying.Wow. There was a lot of like chat as well, I felt kind of guilty at points about kind of being a quote-unquote working class comedian or playing off of that on my show because I felt like everyone needed a hook.
And everyone was a bit like, oh, shut up, it's boring talking about being working class.And then suddenly it was like, these guys, they're rich, but they admit it.
Yeah, in 2017 or 2018 for that brief period where like you'd get a little token for being working class, people like us, we didn't even enjoy it. We just felt like pricks.We just felt false.And now it's not even cool.
Everybody's cringed to admit you're working class.It's much better to have both the benefits of being rich and being congratulated for being rich.
Well done!Well done for being so brave to admit that you live in a three-bedroom property in central London that your parents bought for you with the money.
Those working-class comedians never shut up moaning.At least you've got the balls to say that you're rich.
Ooh, there we go.Three minutes a bit and it's to begin.I don't know where that came from.How are you?What's going on in your life?How's your stuff going?
It's been a long week at work.I'm off work today.I was off work yesterday as well.Bit of annual leave.Always nice.But before that, the rest of the week before that, have you seen that clip of Fred again with Zane Lowe?Have I?Talking about people.
My mate's, here we go, my mate's missus lives with Fred again's little brother.Wow. And the missus and the little brother obviously went to the same school as Fred again.
Right.Are they living in one of Frederick's properties now?
I think she pays rent, I don't know.So they know Frederick, do they?Yeah, yeah.They do not stop fucking going on about it.My God.
That is one of them, isn't it, where it's like there's probably the length of time before they're meeting someone new and being like, I know Fred again.
It's crazy.It's like when someone supports the Dulwich Hamlet women's football team.You always know.You always know.
I know a few lads that go out of great pains, go miles out of their way to tell you that they support the Dulwich Hamlet women's football team.
Thick scarf for outside and a thinner scarf to wear inside. Yeah, just briefly.Sorry, how did we get on to Fred again?
I was about to talk about what my working week was like and how it was like Fred again, but keep going with this.
Shall I bitch about Fred again's friends a little bit more?
I'm more than happy to, yeah.
That wasn't my intention, although this has got very bitter now.We'll get on to your difficult working week, but I mean, we started on Rich Kids.
Yeah, my I mean the thing is we we didn't my mate got with this girl You met her and you know an app or ever and they've been together a while now, you know, I know about enough But I think this we get back to her Like we didn't know Fred again was time.
No They kept they kept dropping this name.Oh, we were like, what the fuck are they talking about?
You know my mate you do this all the time.So you said you didn't know who who did you say?You didn't know who Oh do a leaper you weren't aware.I don't know what she looks like or eat aura and if those always
So you didn't know who Fred again was as in what he looked like or musically?
Any of it.I'd heard the songs but I didn't realise they were his.It's just pop shit isn't it?You just hear fucking stupid pop music and you're like I don't know it could be Harry Styles for all I fucking know.
My mate Oli still doesn't really understand it and he calls him Fred Astaire. Sorry, you were going to mention your difficult working week.Have you had a rough one?
No, well my difficult working week, the reason I raised Fred again is that clip where he's on Zane Lowe that went viral where he's like, he's got kind of the air of like a small child that wants to show off to Mr. Lowe and he does the thing and he's got his little beat pad and he's like... Like that was me, but instead of the beat pad, I'm emailing people asking them to leave me alone.
If you looked into my spare room when I'm working from home, that's what I look like.I look like Fred again with Zane Lowe.I'm just bashing out emails.
Have you still got your housing committee from your flat, from the building?
Please, I can't talk about that.
I've just aired one of my best mate's dirty laundry with his girlfriend.
I can legally talk about it, I just emotionally can't talk about it.For those of you who are not up to date, I stupidly, because I'm a little nerd, like know-it-all that wants to help with everything, got on the housing committee flat.
It's obviously populated by nutters, which I am one.It was this kind of frequent undertone of me being like, oh god, all these people that do this are fucking mad.
They're on a podcast somewhere being like, yeah, there's this bald ginger fella that just won't leave us alone.
We're not bald.We're not yet.Just trolls in the YouTube comments who call you bald.
YouTube trolls, not bald.And this week, we're doing the budgeting exercise for our housing block.
And one of the people in the group emailed the group and said, out of nowhere, at four in the morning, I didn't obviously receive it till the next day, and said, I want to add 50,000 to the budget for training for the committee.
And he put, after the 50,000, he put 50,000 sterling.As though I was going to think that he was proposing we do it in dollars. And I'm sure... I'm sure he's winding me up.I'm sure he's winding me up.So that's my life.
So he wants to train you?
No, he wants us to buy training in order for us to be a better committee, but he's just invented this number.
But he wants to train you?
He doesn't want to do it himself.
No, but he wants to get training for you.Yeah, yeah, yeah.He wants you to be trained.He wants me to be trained.
To be a better committee member. It's mad.It's fucking mad.
Yeah, so in between Fred againing my emails out, I'm getting other emails like that, that I just kind of send him into mental health spirals.Yeah, every which way.The Patreons can't put their address in for love nor money.
We're trying to send these people hats.How do you think they're going to get there?How do you think the hat's going to get to you? We're trying to get a hat to Australia.I'm going up north to do a podcast with Northern Comedians.
Oh man.Do you know what, it's so funny.I got in the car with this geezer.I did the Dead Men Talking podcast.Shout out to the Dead Men Talking podcast.Great lads.But I was getting in the car with Freddie Quinn.Lovely guy, Freddie.Northern comic.
But it's like the fucking Grimsby Cricket Club was trying to call him while we were driving to the podcast studio.And it's like, if you could write what would happen in a Northern Comedians kind of thing. Hello, Freddy.Grimsby Cricket Club here.
Could you come down for 20 minutes tonight and make us laugh?Anyway, let's fucking get on with things.We need to plug some things.First of all, ladies and gentlemen, we are fucking delighted to announce we're doing a live Christmas special.
We're going to do a Christmas special of this podcast live at the Bill Murray Comedy Club. Sunday the 8th of December at 8.30.Tickets are gonna go on sale to Patreons.To members of... The Illuminati.The Illuminati.
The top tier Patreons get first nibble at the tickets.That will be on Friday the 8th... Friday... Fucked it.Patreons will get first dibs on tickets.Top tier Patreons will get access to tickets on Friday the 25th of October.
If there's some tickets left after that, there's not that many tickets.If there's tickets left after that, the rest of the patrons, the Freemasons, will get a nibble on the 1st of November.
If after the 1st of November there are tickets left, I don't think there will be, personally, because we've had hundreds of patrons in the last few months and I think they'll get them all.
If there's any tickets left to go on general sale after the 1st of November, then I guess they'll go on sale, what shall we say, the Monday after that?Shall we say Monday the 4th?Oh no, it's not my birthday.I don't know when I'm born.
This is the flu episode. Monday the 4th of November will go on general sale.So those dates, one more time.Top tier Patreons, the Illuminati, 25th of October.399ers, the Freemasons, who we love very much, 1st of November.General sale, 4th of November.
Can I just say about this?If you didn't come or weren't aware of what happened at the
the summer episode we did the summer special episode live episode we did which was in August it was chaos it was crazy in a good way we had live burritos being made on stage we had people in cat masks turning up and this is good we've got some stuff planned for this one that makes that
looked like a Michael McIntyre gig in terms of how normal it was.
We've 100% got people that we've spoken about on previous episodes coming down, we have got live music, we've got all sorts of plans.
And I'm not saying like, oh we're mental in like a kind of Noel Fielding imagine if a dolphin was riding a bicycle.I'm talking about like just chaotic but fun things that you will like if you like this podcast.
It'll be a proper night out, it'll be really good fun.So that's on the 8th of December.A couple more things I'd like to plug, if you don't mind. I'm on tour!I'm back on tour!
I'll be on the road from the middle of November coming to Aylesbury, Leamington Spa, and of course, London, the Park Theatre on the 26th of November I think it is, last Sunday, 24th, 24th November.I don't fucking know, I'll phone this in, man.
Come and see me on tour, Jake will be opening for me on each date of the tour.
Stevenage are away in Birmingham on the day of the Leamington gig. So watch Stevenage getting battered away at Birmingham City in the afternoon, straight over to Leamington Spa in Laws afterwards.
I'm going to be honest with you, I'm going to meet you there.I'm not coming to that.I'll meet you at the gig.See you at the gig.Yeah.So yeah, come see me on tour.And finally, I actually had a chat with the founder of Dents the other day.
Okay. and he's commencing legal proceedings shortly.
Can I just say, it's actually a fucking great product.Yeah, sure.Let me just tell you now, every, so it's the only, do you know what, we've done enough intros, I haven't got time, and they're not paying me.
Jacob 30 at checkout if you want to try some dents, let's get into the episode.
We were talking about going big game hunting.We were talking about having a go at the bigger names.It probably doesn't come much bigger than this in the world of internet personality.
I'd say he's the most famous person we've spoken about so far.Would you say so?
Yeah, probably true.Yeah, cool.This week, we are talking about Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.
Could be a big week for impressions.Do you know what?I will say it was me that suggested Tim Peterson but it was mainly for your impression.This could be a long episode.
Oi, get on this.Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.Futo.
I don't know what B stands for actually.
Benjamin.What's the funniest B that stands for Brian I think?Dr. Jordan Brian.Barney. Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, I think, has got a kind of tragic arc.
as well. is a real like, it will be looked back on as a thing of internet culture.It's like, what the fuck is happening?Yeah, yeah, yeah.Do you know what I mean?Yeah, I do know, exactly.And I think it will be like the start of something in a way.
People will look back at it as like the beginning of something where it's like this kind of internet personality could become a mainstream personality and then become a hugely successful like author and whatever in its own right.
But for those of you who don't know,
It's funny, before we started recording, we went through the clips we were going to discuss, and you told me the backstory.I didn't know.I guess, I think... Sounds insane.I thought he was like a philosopher.
I thought this had always been his... I thought he'd just been doing this for years.I thought he'd always been a kind of like... I thought he'd had books out for fucking years.You know, try and be a gardener in a fight.Come up with that.
But this is the thing he's now become a kind of capsule like public intellectual work and by the way I say he's become a capsule public intellectual He talks about every single topic as though he has studied it intense and then but that's why Yeah, the reason I thought he was like he was like this like decade-long intellectual writer, right?
It's good He talks like that about everything.You could ask him how he stirs his tea and he would tell you that in a way.
What do you mean by that?Exactly.
Okay.Well, let's talk about that.How do I stir my tea?How do I say hypoallergenic?Weeping.Weeping as he said.What a question that is.
But he started in Canada, I think at the University of Toronto, and he was a psychology professor.And he did these insane hour and a half lectures that he would put on YouTube with very, very poor production values.And they were bonkers.
And he looks insane.He's had a real glow up. And he basically just about missed our age group.It was slightly younger men than us that I think were really trapped by Peterson.
Only by three or four years, but I wasn't really around for the start of it.
And then this thing happened in Canada where the Canadian government said, we're going to ask teachers or people that work in public life to respect the pronoun choices of people that they work with or students that they work with.
Now, he said that this was compelling him in a Marxist, Nazi-ish way.That's the kind of... He looked a lot like a Marxist.Well, yeah.He kept talking about how cultural Marxism was compelling him to speak in a way that he didn't want to.
And he famously said he would go to prison and go on hunger strike rather than do that. And that's what made him famous.He was then kind of pumped up and inflated by the world of Joe Rogan and that kind of like masculinity style podcasting.
And within that, I've noticed he's very YouTube shorts, if you know what I mean.He's not Instagram.I think he's still active on Twitter.Would you believe a nutter who's active on Twitter?But he's really YouTube shorts-ish.I do see a lot of
I do see a lot of reels shared by cunts.
The worst blokes I know will share a reel of him And it'll be him just talking absolute fucking nonsense.
Like, you know, sometimes they say using a knife for a fork is bad.I say using a fucking sledgehammer is worse.How about we show some respect to people who've been through things like that?
And it'll be that Tom O'Dell song.And it'll be shared by
a football hooligan and and it'll be as a kind of like this is why you need to leave man i know do you know what i mean it's always that it's it's always the worst blokes you know the worst blokes you know would rather go to would rather post pictures of dr jordan peterson than go to therapy jordan peterson talking nonsense over a tom o'dell soul yes
and he'll be saying nothing whilst saying a thousand words yeah and it'll be someone you know who likes to have fights at the weekend yes sharing that as an excuse for why they're a prick yes it'll be like a lot of people say that men should stop getting pissed and doing coke and going to work and having fights well we shouldn't because Jordan Peterson says it's better to be a fighter in a garden and whatever the whatever the sentiment that they're expressing
in that like, here's why this should happen.The actual opposite of that is true.So when they say, this is why you should leave men alone, you should keep watch on men. That is, like, whatever they say, to take it off of him, it'd be true.
Men like that need to be watched.They don't need to be left alone.They need to be put under supervision, ideally by someone with a taste.
But the funny thing is, because he's... I almost put him in the Stephen Bartlett category.Right.Of like, he just won't stop podcasting.No.You know, people will go, well, you're a fucking podcaster.It's like, yeah, one a week and an extra two a month.
He's doing like six hours a week.He's doing... We could game on this.We could.You were waiting for the camera to pan and he sat here and was like, well let me tell you about Bevo.
Honestly, many people thought Bevo was outside the biggest harvester in Essex, but it wasn't.It wasn't.What if the biggest harvester in Essex was inside of Bevo?You ever consider that?
It just says nonsense and you can use it to justify anything.
Well, let's watch the first clip What I've done is there's too much Peterson content.This is it.
I mean the fucking job you've had today I had to like pick the pick the the clips of this and it's like fucking like sifting through an ocean of shit There's just so much stuff.So I tried to do is kind of construct a bit of an art and
So, mainly off some YouTube shorts of his appearances, mainly on Joe Rogan, which I think were the big fuel to the fire.
Before that, he was a nutter psychologist who'd done a bit of work at Harvard, written this book that no one liked called... I think it was the first book called... No, The 12 Rules for Life is the one that made him very famous.
It's called Maps of Meaning.It's meant to be absolutely shit.Would you believe it?Indecipherable.Can't follow it.
starts appearing on Rogan, starts getting a kind of rep for being this guy who says slightly odd masculine stuff about the world, and this is from that era, and you can see it's from the era because he looks quite fucked still.
Those who have swords and know how to use them but keep them sheathed will inherit the world. And that's another thing I've been telling you.Yeah, no kidding.That's a lot different.That's a big difference.It's so great.
And so, like, one of the things I tell young men, well, and young women as well, but the young men really need to hear this more, I think, is that you should be a monster.You know, because everyone says, well, you should be harmless, virtuous.
You shouldn't do anyone any harm.You should sheath your competitive instinct.You shouldn't try to win.You don't want to be too aggressive.You don't want to be too assertive.You want to take a back seat and all of that.It's like, no.
Wrong.You should be a monster, an absolute monster, and then you should learn how to control it.
Do you know the expression, it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war?Right, right, exactly.
Wow, you're so wise, Joe Rogan.And that's exactly right.That's exactly right.That's exactly, well, yeah.
Now, I'm interested in a couple of things about him.The first is, Joe Rogan is maybe the thickest man I think I've ever seen on any kind of visual or podcast. I'm sure maybe he's a nice bloke, but probably not.
But he has the affectation of a man who thinks he's very clever.And so he'll say stuff like, oh, that's very different about a thing.And it's like, yeah, that's the point of the statement that you just said, Joe.
Those are two different things, aren't they?
He's got like you the thing is he's impressed by anything.
Yes, so you can say anything to Robert Yeah, and he'll he'll respond to you as if you've written the Bible Yeah, you could say the regular you know what me if I put my shoes on like the wrong way around I just can't fucking walk.He's like wow.
I never considered.I know it's here.It's an wow Wow, but like you walk backwards.Oh And there's that incredible Tim Peidecker thing.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a bit in that which is so perfectly spot on where he goes like, imagine going back 10 years, 20 years. He just keeps going through it for ages.And he's so easily impressed by people like Peterson.
But I think the thing I'm more interested in, not Rogan, is the way that he speaks is so... I think why he's become so famous.Because he's such a kind of clear communicator in a way.
Or like, in other ways, he's very verbose and he uses a lot of long words.But every so often, he does this thing And it kind of reminds me of the Drake flow.
Do you remember people used to talk about the Drake flow, where he'd be like, all of your flows bore me, paint drying.It would be like a punchline on the end of this thing.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Peterson will be like, so they say you should not be assertive.Yeah, yeah, yeah.And it's like, this is like a very similar thing, like set up a thing and they'll punch you.
It sounds like Mickey Mouse has got stoned in Red Wikipedia.
Okay then.Sit down, Goofy.We got some stuff to fucking discuss.I tried DMT last night.Let me tell you.Fucking Daffy Duck, she's been wrong the whole time.
I think that kind of part of his life, he became very famous very quickly for doing and saying these kind of slightly mad things.
And it obviously had a huge and profound effect on him, I think, because he obviously became a best-selling author as well.I've not read any of the books.They sound fucking mental.They're about hierarchies in lobsters and stuff.
I don't know what the fuck is going on about.But what do you think it was about that? this thing of the perception that men were being asked to be not monsters.
And then, why was it such a resonant thing to be told, actually you can be a monster?It's a resonant thing in that context because he's saying it to a guy who does jiu-jitsu.He's not stupid.
He like, he knows, he's like, hey, um, you do some MMA, right?And that's like Joe Rogan's thing, he's like, you know, it's good to be violent, but... It's like, well, yeah, that's MMA, do you know what I mean?
It's like, hey, have you heard that stretching's pretty good?It's like, yeah, yeah, exactly.Preaching to the fucking choir, mate.There's a big shaven gorilla sat in front of you who does nine hours a day of practicing strangling people.
Of course, he quite likes it when you tell him it's good to be violent.
Yeah, that would be like him coming in here and be like, do you know what's good?
Eating bread.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.He's like, he'll cigarette.
Yeah, he's stupid.He's like, hey, do you like electro bonds?Because let me tell you, they're pretty fucking good for your brain.
You know what I'm saying?Please provide me with a prescription.
Were you never, you were never captured by that ideology then?
No, I wasn't captured by this.But the thing is, he knows what he's doing.He's preaching to the alternative.You know what I mean?It's for the naughty kids at school.It's literally if you've ever been told to not be a shit.
Let me tell you the biggest shit answers we don't care Is anyone like anyone who's had any kind of issue with authority if you were told off by teachers school?They probably like no one ever said you you should take a back seat.
They were like stop fucking Punching people.
Yeah, you know, it's alright to punch people And he would probably say oh well you're kind of taking my
Message and you're you're twisting it however, but what I have a problem with is he says in that clip And he knows what he's doing because it makes for a bad clip It makes people listen is he doesn't say we use your masculinity in a controlled, but useful way.
He says be a monster Yeah, exactly.
Yeah Well, he knows what he's fucking doing because you know, like again, he knows his audience who listens to Joe Rogan monsters not controlled monsters monsters I think it's got such a wide
audience now, I guess it is, I mean, the Rotter audience is 95% men, but the Rogan audience must be 97%.Yeah, yeah.
But it's also, it's like men who, what, like, want to shoot and eat elk, and believe that COVID was... Do you know what I mean?
It's such a mad selection of people, though, because... Conspiracy theorists and stoners, that's who likes this stuff, and people who like monsters.The thing is, you have to be so careful with this stuff, because, like,
I don't know, I've watched... Monsters in the Jordan Peterson sense, or like... I've had this in the past though, where like, the problem is, someone like him, they say so much shit, there is enough of it where there'll be one thing where you go, oh... And you have to be so careful with your algorithm.
I didn't know how the algorithm worked.Like, the thing is, Across platforms it's very different.So Instagram shows you stuff that it thinks you like, right?So you go on your explore page, I don't know about you.Bread, cigarettes.Yeah, right, right.
My explore page is beer, haircuts, takeaways, and arse, right?People making big sandwiches.Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right.It knows what you want, and that's what Instagram shows you.
It shows you things that kind of back up your already bleached beliefs.I didn't realise that Twitter doesn't work like that.
Well, what was happening to me, and this was like a month ago, you know, because Twitter is basically an explore page, you never see it when you follow it, it just shows you, I don't know, well I was getting a lot of Tommy Robinson, and people like that.
Mate, it was fucking nuts, I did this literary event at Wilderness Festival in Oxford, right? I mean, I was fucking out of my depth.I don't know how I got booked for this thing.It was me, Rosie Holt, out of character, so she was fucked.
She didn't know what to do, bless her.She even said she was like, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do on the air.And then, like, these journalists, and, like, the... I don't know how the fuck I got booked for this.
And, like, the discussion was, like, how to cope with the news in the modern age.And I guess they'd bitten me to be like, should you laugh?Should you find it funny?It's similar to Rosie, bro. And it was just around kind of like fucking riots time.
And so, you know, that came up and I was like, you know, we've got to be careful.I was like, this is, you know, gang interaction.There's a lot of people who are believing all this, you know, believing this shit about a riot.
I was like, you know, Tommy Robinson had 250,000 people in Trafalgar Square the other day. And this journalist who was on the panel went, can I just, sorry, this kid's a bit dangerous, can I just correct you?And I was like, what?
He was like, Tommy Robinson didn't have 250,000 people in Trafalgar Square the other day.I was like, he did?And the guy was like, I can show you the tweet.And the guy was like, was it a tweet by Tommy Robinson?And I was like, yeah.He was like, yeah.
It's physically impossible to get more than 20,000 people standing in Trafalgar Square. And I came away from that and he made a comment in his journal and he was like, oh right, do you follow a lot of Tommy Robbins and stuff?
And I was coming away and I was like, I'm getting a lot of it.
And I came away being like, oh my god, am I going a bit fucking... And it was only later that I was telling someone about it and someone was like, well you know that Twitter shows you things you disagree with.
to quietly spark debate and argument and try and get engagement, do you know what I mean?I didn't know either, but it's just mad how, I guess the point I'm making is, I trusted the algorithm over my personality. Oh my god, I'm a Tommy Robbins fan!
That's what I was like!I was like, yes I am racist now!
I don't think anything racist, but I'm sat there with a journalist in front of fucking hundreds of people at the Wilderness Festival Oxford going, no no, Tommy got 250,000 in, and the guy's going, it's not possible, and I'm going, Tommy says he is!
But I guess what I'm saying is, the power of the algorithm is so compelling, that like, you can, like,
you know you're watching i don't know what he's trying to say there i have no idea what he was i guess he was trying to say it's better to be a man who's capable of beating the shit out of someone but chooses not to than being a man who can't be the chef i mean i'd argue just better to not
Do you know what I mean?Like, if you apply that, I don't know, I don't know where I'm going with this.If you apply that to geopolitics, is it like, it's better to have nuclear weapons but to just choose not to use them?
I like you just don't have the weapons.Is it a guns thing?Is he trying to say better to have guns and not want to shoot people than just not have guns?I don't know. I guess.I was taking this in a weird direction.I don't know what he's talking about!
He uses the word sheathed far too often for my liking.I thought we should wear condoms at one point.I didn't get it.
If he turns the camera in a bit of a Jurex advert, like, that's why, you know, don't worry, but make sure you got a sheath every now and then.
Trojans for the big man. I don't know.
You just chat so much shit that there'll be something that resonates with you at some point, and before you know it, you're in a rabbit hole and you're in it.
That's the broken philosophy as well, right?Because it's like, no one on Earth could be interested in all of the things that he's interested in, in terms of hunting, stand-up comedy.
talking about masculinity, whatever else is in martial arts, whatever.I guess most people are into cannabis.Most men are in, or like most American men, I suppose, are into one, like stand-up comedy being a big one at the moment.
It's like a big thing that people like.They like all the kind of Shane Gillis's.I think Shane Gillis.So you can like get, there's a little wedge for you to listen to on all of it.
And then like you say, then most of it is just kind of meaningless drivel, but some of it resonates here and there.The next one is kind of,
as he was coming into like his real prominence and he has this very famous interview with a British journalist called Helen Lewis and this is just like I think an example of slightly strange behavior and just completely kind of humorless and dour man
Are you still eating your all-beef diet?
Really, just beef?Can you have, like, ketchup on it?
No, nothing.Nothing?It isn't something I would lightly recommend.It's a little hard on your social life, makes travelling quite difficult, and it's dull as hell.
But what has it done for you?
Well, I lost 50 pounds in seven months.I stopped snoring.I had some autoimmune conditions that seem to have gone away.I'm not taking antidepressants.
My mood isn't perfectly regulated, but I'm under a fair bit of stress, so that might have something to do with it.I sleep much less.I can work more.
Great.I sleep less.I work more.Yeah.And as a man... Harder, faster, stronger.And as a man who already look worryingly thin, I lost 50 pounds.
Well, you know, explosive diarrhea.I can't speak to anyone because I stink.
Yeah, I guess I sleep less.The best three things that you can think of.The best three things that you can think of are, I lost 50 pounds.
I'm not depressed anymore.I like snoring.I'm not depressed anymore, but also my mood isn't great.It's not great.I mean, I feel terrible.
I bet you are stressed, you've probably shitting three times now.How was the time right?So about that time he had I think his self-confessed addiction to some kind of anti-anxiety medication and he basically went away for ages.
He went away for like six or seven months and apparently he went to like a place in Russia to like wean him off this anti-anxiety medication. And it was all basically a function, I think, of becoming unbelievably famous, unbelievably quickly.
And he's a man that talks about, you probably know, he cries quite a lot on his podcast, stuff like that, Fairplay, whatever.But he point blank refused.
to admit that that kind of, like, having to step away from the public eye, being incredibly ill, was a function of being, like, depressed or anxious because of... He was like, it's all down to this chemical thing, I got addicted to these pills, and now I've got on top of that by only eating beef.
So he quit the pills?Well, he quit the pills and only ate beef after that, and apparently that was what sorted him out.We've spoke about Coach Carnival Cam on it. Yeah, Coach Colorball Cam is doing some really cracker stuff the way we are on YouTube.
There is no one I've ever seen who only eats meat who looks healthy.The only being I've ever seen who only eats red meat who seems happy is Big John's Rottweiler.
That's the only person I've ever seen on social media who lives on a red meat diet who seems happy is Big John's Rottweiler who he feeds lamb and steak to on a daily basis.Everyone else, Coach Carnival Cam, he's grey now.The colour, he's gone.
This kind of purple-grey colour.He's fucking balder than either of us.Jacob Thornton, you check out, Cam.Coach Carnival Cam looks like a thumb that's been hammered. And this guy looks fucked!They're so thin!
No one would have ever said to him, mate, you know what you could do?You could lose 50 pounds in seven months. There's nothing on that shoot.
What was Coach Carnivore Cam recently, this might be one for a whole episode, but he went to the UK's first carnivore diet conference and he was posting updates from the carnivore diet.It was being held.Yeah, well I never felt more sorry.
I was gonna say the premiering staff get him with a flamethrower to those toilets after that conference.
Jesus Christ!Can you say that right?Can you say that?It was, yeah, it's like a fucking Vietnam War film in there.
It was a premier inn.It was like in the conference room of a premier inn.And so he was going like, and then we had lunch and I went to the buffet and it is just a hotel buffet.
But the hotel buffet staff are clearly quite perplexed because they've obviously got a memo in ahead of time being like, don't put any veg out or bread or anything.So it's just eggs and bacon.
And he's just like, then add 25 eggs and six bits of bacon.No crap in it whatsoever.
It's like, you fucking, you look like a man that's been put together by some alien.That's like what they think a human looks like.
I'm not sure about the beef diet.I don't think I could ever do carnivore.
You'd be fucked then.I'd be fucked.I've never looked at anyone who eats a bit of vegetable.There's so many people who look and feel great who do eat vegetables.When has it ever been a problem?
Do you know the other thing that people get so shitty about nowadays?Rapeseed oil.The amount of people who are like, don't eat rapeseed oil.And the argument they use is, you don't let people use rapeseed oil in machinery. It's like, what?
They're like, yeah, yeah, people Greeks machine it with very... It's like, well, you could Greeks machine it with fucking anything you wanted to.Like... Yeah, that thing doesn't mean a bad thing on the other end of it.
So you want to say something like, do you know what people do with cows?You know the cows you eat?You know the beef you eat?Do you know what people do with those cows?They fucking rape them to get milk out of them.
Like, like, you'd rather, you avoid rapeseed oil because it's possible to lubricate a machine with it.Lubricate the tractors.You eat a cow that has spent its entire life, I mean I don't want to sound fucking vegan.Don't be all Simon Amstel.
Sorry, I cannot switch from Refsable, we've done Impressions of Peterson to Impressions of Psylapse.
Let's give a nightmare blood rotation.
Psy, I'm still Peterson.Me, Peterson, and I'm still-
That was fucking hell.That's been the electro bomb after that.
Jordan Pizza was very influential, I think, in the widespread adoption of the carnival diet.
Then he got into this, like he came back from the kind of illness, the mystery illness, which definitely wasn't depression or definitely wasn't feeling stressed and was down to whatever it was down to.
And he started going full mental and he went on, this is one of my favourite clips, I remember seeing this, and me and our mate Josh were talking about, look at the way his teeth go in this.He looks more like a waltz than a man.
What are the rules governing sexual behavior in the workplace?Okay, can you come to work in a negligee?No.How about boxers if you're a man?No.Okay, so there's some... What about a short skirt?Well, this is the thing.
The devil's in the bloody details.You can't come to work naked.You can't come to work in boxer shorts.You can come to work in a suit.The line is somewhere between boxers and suit.Where exactly is the line?Can a man wear shorts?
If he can't, why can't a woman wear a dress?The way that men, in professional organizations, the way that men solve this problem is that everyone wore a uniform.The uniform makes you uniform.That's why you wear it.And the uniform is the suit.
And it's a derivation of a military garb.And so the idea was, well, we want to get rid of excess diversity in clothing.Wear your damn suit.Then we know you're playing the game and we don't have to be distracted by what you're wearing.
Now that is... What problem are they solving?
What problem are they solving? Who's this for?Who sat there one day going, what the fuck do I wear to work?I know it's either boxers or a suit, but just wear some fucking jeans.
What is wrong with you?I can only imagine that it's some kind of conversation about women looking attractive at work.I don't really know.
What's the problem they're trying to solve?Actually, the scary thing, as I say,
Think of the people that really like this stuff.Think of the average Peterson, Rogan enjoyer.It's the nutter in the office.It's the guy who's too quiet in the office, who drinks a lot of energy drinks.You know what I mean?
Who's shadowboxing behind his laptop whilst watching some MMA highlights on the weekend.Or just out till four in the morning for UFC.The real terrifying thing
If you're a woman in her office in the UK, there is a good chance that there has been a man who's listening to this podcast and you wore a skirt to work one day and he's sat there going... The devil's in the bloody detail on this!The skirt.
Derivation of military glong!
And I think that you say, what problem are they solving?But this also introduces something which I'm quite a big fan of from the clips, which is the Peterson hand gestures as well.Because I'm a stylistic Peterson fan, not a content fan.As a speaker.
And as someone you can do impressions of, because he's got a stupid Mickey Mouse voice.He's got a very particular cadence.And he's got a very particular way of presenting himself in terms of his hand gestures.
And at the end of this clip, you get the Peterson, it's in the air, rubbing your fingers together.And he does that a lot, because he doesn't know what he's about to say at any one time.He's got no idea where he's going there.
And what he does is he's famous.I'm just buying with time.Like he's saying, there's something in the air.And all he'll often do is he'll be like,
So when we're talking about morality, what we're saying is you are, how would you say it?You're diegetically opposed to the concept of the good.That's what it is.That's what it is.So you're diegetically opposed to the concept of the good.
And then he kind of backtracks on it.And as he finds it, he finds it in the air.He just finds a little bit of something there.And he'll just be completely off on something.Women, what should they be doing in relationship to men?We don't exactly know.
They shouldn't be at all.
It's just like divining his next thing from the air.He's just gotta find it.
It's kind of impressive.It's conversational jazz.He's like waiting to find the rhythm.He's like Fred again.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, we talking about it.Okay, okay.In terms of gender, there's no spectrum.I was born a man.Where's the line?Where's the line?I guess I was born with a penis.I guess in terms of that.I mean, trans people are a bloody problem.
Oh my god.Hey, I mean, it's crazy.We, again, like, I was looking for some stuff for him.It's just men who help out people. Like, I guess, because I watch this and I'm like, it's fucking nonsense.I don't know what you're talking about.
No, I have no idea.But that's the dangerous thing.You can apply it to anything.The dangerous thing about all this nonsense is you could apply it, like you could use it to justify anything.Do you know what I mean?Right.
Like, if you wanted to, you work in an office sometimes, you could go into your office, you know like those Borat mankinis? Do I? And after a while, someone would be like, can we have a word?Go into a side office and they'd be like, what's going on?
And you'd be like, pardon?And they'd be like, you know, you're wearing this, what's this?And you could be like, okay.So the line is somewhere between boxers and a suit.Women are allowed to wear skirts.
Women are allowed to wear skirts.
Where is the line? And if you wanted to, I reckon you could somehow survive a HR procedure by pointing to this clip.
Yeah, they probably would be sufficiently scared, I think, or sufficiently worried that it was going to go in a really bad direction that I think they would be like, look, what can we do to make you leave?
Because this can just, this is the dangerous thing about all this shit, about all this Peterson shit, all the Rogan shit, is you can use it to justify anything.Do you know what I mean?
Well I think it, like, yeah, you're right in that they are kind of pushing the boundaries of acceptable discourse quite a lot.It's so non-specific.There's a constant negotiation of where the boundaries are as acceptable things.
Because it's not real.None of it means anything.
Like, this is the thing, like, if he turned around at the end of that and was like, by the way, that's a metaphor for gender, You could use it as either an argument for or against, like, binaries in gender.
And that's why people should be allowed to identify whichever way they bloody want!
And you'd be like, well, yeah, I guess so, it makes sense.He wouldn't be saying that.No, he wouldn't. That's the irony of it all.It would make as much sense justifying that as justifying the opposite.
And what he's doing now is he's gone completely through the looking glass.He's gone completely mad.And he's really into religion now in a way that he wasn't before.Now, I don't think there's inherently anything wrong with being religious.
Maybe Mormons, actually.Mormons are fucking weird.
I think religion, as is the case with any kind of belief system, Fine in moderation, but when you go to the extremities it gets scary.
But from what I understand is, and a couple of friends that are interested in this as Christians, he's basically adopted the pose of a Christian and believes that, keeps talking about how Christianity is the foundation of Western society, but won't
commit to being a Christian.And he's going on a number of podcasts talking about it and people are like, so are you a Christian?
And he's like, what a bloody question that is.
So I've got a theory about that.Do you want it now or do you want to watch the clip first?Go on now because the clip is funny enough.It's a brief theory, but I mean, I've just, he's kind of, I don't watch much Peterson.
He's kind of vaguely to the right.
Very to the right.I genuinely, I don't know.So I do avoid it.Because A, I think it's bollocks.But B, after my Tommy Robinson scare in the summer, I'm just worried about my algorithm.But I do avoid it.
I think he is, he's against like trans people and being able to identify whichever way you want gender wise.I believe he's against that.
Oh yeah, that's all of that, all of that part of the world.
I've also seen, I mean, it's the mad thing with him is like, he's kind of similar to Andrew Tate in the sense that I think he's sometimes critical of the West and sort of like promotes Eastern philosophy, but he's also said things that are kind of anti-immigration and somewhat Islamophobic in the past, I think.
Oh yeah, no, I think this, his neck of the woods now is very like, and this is where the Russell Brand thing kind of comes into it as well, like the American right, he's Canadian but he's very involved with the American right of politics and a lot of that is about how like,
kind of Christianity is the foundation of the state in a way.
Yeah and I guess that's my point is that I think a lot of those people kind of default to Christianity because it's their kind of path towards being like we need to get back to tradition.Do you know what I mean?
Like whether that be, if that's your argument to be like people should stop identifying the way they want or we should stop allowing immigrants into the country, whatever it is, they often point to whether it be the UK or US, they'll be like
This was traditionally a Christian country!And it's like, you can use that as an argument to be like, so stop bloody... and then insert whatever right wing ideology you want.
Do you know what I mean?And it's led to a lot, I think a lot of interactions like this where, so he's gone on this podcast, I believe this is... But I guess your point is he's not actually a Christian.
No, not really.And that's what I mean, is like they're just using it as a way of hating on something else.It's not because they actually believe the thing.
And so this is him, and I assume the host is Christian, trying to get him to kind of commit to a Christian principle.And I think this is really funny.
Well, then here's the question.Do you think there is life after death?Even if you have no kind of way of knowing that infallibly, do you act as if there is?Do you think there is?
Your actions echo in eternity.
I don't.What does that mean?
Even if you have no kind of a way of knowing that infallibly do you act as if there is do you think there is?
Your actions echo in eternity.
I Don't what does that mean?
It's best I got man best I got man.
I've never seen someone squeeze their brain so hard to get words out.You know like when someone's in the gym and they have to really push to get it up.That's what he just did.The way he closed his eyes he's like.
I think he's in this situation quite a lot at the moment where it's just like obviously Christians are quite into people declaring whether they're a Christian or not and to a Christian I'd imagine it's a complete easy thing to do like yes or no I'm not but he has this like pseudo-intellectual interest in Christianity is the foundation of the Western ideology and so he's like of course it's like everything it's like the air we breathe and they're like oh so you're a Christian then he's like
He has to answer often with just a saying.And in that case he says, like, do you believe in life after death?
And he goes, I believe your actions echo in eternity.And he's like, what does that mean?He goes, the best I got, man.
It's like, he's so determined to just say something that doesn't mean anything, that like when an interviewer corners him and goes, categoric answer please Jordan, do you think this or that?
It's like you can see the stock workers in his brain like rummaging around the warehouse going like, oh god I'm sure they've got something nondescript we can fry out for this. What's up there?Oh, here we go.Your actions echo in eternity.Try that.
Isn't that a line from Gladiator?
Don't worry, we've said it now.
Fucking Celine Dion song, isn't it?Your actions echo in eternity.
But it is an amazing thing and what he does, and I've seen Klipsman do this again on the Christian question of like, are you a Christian?Do you believe in Christianity?He'll do this like thing where he's like...
As a folio for that simple or something like that.
It's like is that simple?
Yeah Well, where do you start with that?
We start with are you a Christian?
It's impossible I think he does it all with the clips in mind dragon, but like he's he's also there's always like a kind of he like he There's two He always looks like he's in a certain amount of pain And I can't tell
Whether it's because he wants... It's the beat.Well, I can't... Yeah, exactly.I can't tell whether it's because he wants whatever he says to perfectly fit the background music of the Tom O'Dell song, for the reals.It's time.It's jazz.
Or whether he's shitting himself as he speaks. You know, like in the one before where she's like, are you eating meat every day?And he's like, yeah, it's horrible.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
I can't tell whether his arse is bleeding while he speaks right there or whether in his mind he's like, right, remember at this point he's going, I wanna hold you.
And in that, again, this is like, we've talked a lot about like,
personalities kind of becoming a character becoming like you say with that thing he's aware of the clips almost he's aware of what he's about to say he started dressing like a batman villain yeah yeah yeah in that in that in that clip there where he's like kind of offering an aphorism instead of confirmation that he's a christian he's wearing a suit with pictures of jesus all over it
It's yeah, I think the Batman villain thing you fucking hit on it there, and I feel like I Can't tell whether this is deliberate or whether it just happened, but like you know Joker.Yeah, I Like I feel like all this started when that came out
There are men out there who are in a lot of pain, but they're actually very clever and they might do some bad stuff, but actually they're cleverer than you.That's the kind of ethos of Joker, is it?It's the ethos of Peterson.
It's the ethos of all these people of like, you know, sometimes the bad guys are actually okay.You know, like there's a new Joker film coming out.
I saw it. Was it horrendous?It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.I kind of heard horrendously bad reviews about it and I was like, I have to see this because this sounds fucking mental.
And it is pretty mental but it's not as mental as I thought it was going to be.What it is though, interestingly, about your, the first Joker film was
definitely like was taken at the time as like you say a kind of incel manifesto of like of actually it's the world that's fucked and wouldn't it be good if we just got a gun and we just fucking shot everyone in the head this film is an entire like two hours long it's quite boring it's quite long
of like, that's the wrong interpretation of this film, which is a really interesting thing to make a film about, where it's just like, okay, you the director think that all of the incels shouldn't have taken it that way in the first place, fair enough, I already knew that, and now I have to sit through another two hours of you being like, you're fucking thick and wrong.
it's like well who's this for then yeah okay so no one like main people who like the original one was the incels and everyone else was like i don't really like joker because it's for incels but now you're like well this isn't for incels actually it's like well you lost me when it became an incel thing so i don't know what you're trying you're not gonna get me back now that you've got fucking lady gaga yeah but i i saw i saw this kind of
I understand that that's the kind of notion of this one, right?Not as an apology, but almost a kind of like... A fuck you moment.Yeah, a kind of like, make no mistake, this isn't for you.Right, right, right.
And then I saw this Peterson account on Twitter, because like I say, all I'm getting on Twitter is fucking right-wing bollocks.Because you can see into your soul.Yeah, well, that's what I'm worried about.
There's Peterson basically being like, they made it deliberately shit. They made it deliberately shit because the quote-unquote wrong people were emboldened by the first one.Don't be dissuaded.
Yeah, stick with it.Keep playing the Tom Hiddleston.Keep fighting the good fight.Let's finish with, because this is gone, it is gone completely berserk and it recently came to a culmination.
I think this is why it's a good moment to do Peterson because it came to a culmination recently of him on stage at a kind of American, not necessarily right-wing, I think.I think it's more just like conspiracy theorists or like kind of YouTuber.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, like all these people that, I know exactly what you're trying to describe.It's like, what is the ideology?There isn't one.They're thick.Yeah, it's difficult to- They're just thick.They're just thick.
They're somewhere between kind of like right-wing Christian, somewhat kind of like anti-authoritarian, like free speech,
Rather than being right-wing, solely right-wing, isn't it?
They're just thick.They're just idiots.It's just fucking losers.They're losers.Every single one of them there is a loser and they think I sound like Trump.They're losers.
All these ideologies, they're just a way of pointing the finger at someone else as it being, it's your fault my life is shit. It does seem that the common theme is anger.It's like, left-wing people are the reason my life is shit.
It's like, well, okay, there's been a right-wing government in America for quite a long time, there's been a right-wing government in the UK for quite a long time, you know, most of the world is kind of right-wing at the moment, but it's left-wing people's fault that life's shit, okay.
Yeah, and it's anti-Christians, okay, well, you know, most of the world still applies by Christian values, but sure, it's their fault.It's just people, like, as you say, angry, sad people, who, in this case, are being led by a strange...
Well, Jordan Peterson, who weighs about four stones, shits himself three times an hour and can't finish a sentence without crying, and Russell Brand, the rapist turned Christian, who is- Do we have to say allegedly for that?I don't care.
What are you going to do?Fucking kick us out of my agent's office?He's a fucking sex offender and he's tried using the free speech thing to squeeze his way out and now he's gone Christian.
And this is what he's doing, we'll just end on this because this is just like such an odd kind of perfect image of like, where the fuck, how the fuck did we get here?
Lord, I ask that we be brought together in these principles under your name.I pray for America and if I have your permission, ladies and gentlemen, we'll end with the Lord's Prayer.Nicely into our permission for once, Brandon.
Peterson's wearing a half and half suit.
And they're praying the Lord's Prayer.
I don't know if they do the whole thing.And Peterson's kind of half praying it again, half not.So you get a very dramatic reading of it.The music behind it is too much.
Now, again, I don't think there's anything inherently strange or funny about being religious, if that's your thing, and whatever.
I do, yeah, I was raised Catholic, I go to church, and I think that Russell Brand being religious is inherently funny and weird.
There's a beautiful world where there's an alternative reality where time travel is possible and there's a Ponderland episode where he's watching that clip of himself.
What a tit I was, eh?Up there, shirt unbuttoned with that little fella, that little Mickey Mouse fella in his red and blue suit, all down on his kneesy-weesy was he?And there's just me apologising for putting my winky in the wrong place, sorry guys.
What a world we've had to analyse.What a world we've tried to bring some kind of shape or thought to.
They're just fucking idiots.They are.And I stand by what I said at the beginning, which is like, everyone I know who really loves this stuff, they're the worst people I know.
Well, we hope that your algorithm out there, if you found us through the algorithm, then you are likely some kind of bizarre screen rot lunatic that is maybe we're there alongside Jordan B. Peterson.
We're your Peterson.And if you wouldn't mind.Thanks so much for listening everyone.We'll see you next week.See you next week.
Because I'm telling you, honey.
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