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Welcome Todd McShay coming up also Brandon Marcello coming up.We'll talk NFL.
We'll talk college football I'll start with this and I saw where Bobby Portis house was broken into Bobby Portis place for the Bucs and he had a video up and he was like Here's like the footage These people broke into my house when I was at work meaning playing basketball and here Yeah, you have the audio mic
Here you go, play it please.
What's good, Milwaukee?Over the last four and a half seasons, I've considered Milwaukee as a home.The love you guys give me here isn't something that I ever felt before in my NBA career.
So I've always felt like I had to give it right back to you guys.I know we've gotten off to a horrible start to start the season, but while I was at my game yesterday, I had a home invasion and they took most of my prize possessions.
any info that leads to the return of any of my belongings will be rewarded handsomely let me know thank you that sucks for him it also sucks that he has to go okay i know what you're gonna say we've sucked this year and yeah because he had to like preface it in the middle of that hey
He's like, I know it's been a rough start to the season.He's like eight miling himself a little bit so other people don't do it.
He's like, but someone broke in and he showed like a black and white, maybe a video or grainy footage of who it was from security cameras.But. Yeah, that sucks.And not only does it suck, obviously, because someone got in and broke in.
I am surprised that whenever someone has a public profession like he does, when you know he's at a game or you know he's out of town, that there's not somebody at the house.Yeah, that's a good point.
Because, and again, this is not victim shaming at all, because that is terrible.And maybe there was somebody there and still they broke in.I don't know.But I know, and I'll compare on a very, very mild level myself, if I'm gone,
I'm at any time gone where people know I'm gone.Somebody's at my house because it's a job where publicly if I'm on tour and someone knows that I Don't know.I'm in Iowa or Boston.I Know that they know that I'm not at my house.Therefore.
Someone's gonna be at my house.And so hopefully this is Hopefully they get it back and they have a picture and somebody's gonna see that picture that video and know who that is Yeah, like for sure.Yeah But yeah, I hated that for him
It's also to have your house broken into, and I've had it happen to me before way back in the day.And again, it was while I was on the air even.And that's when I lived alone.
And so when I was on the air, you knew I wasn't at home because I was on the air, and they took that time to go and break into my house and steal all kinds of stuff, including my PlayStation 2, which had the only video of me skydiving.
I've got pictures. It was a CD, and it was the time I went skydiving, and I had a tiny woman that was attached to me.Everybody else had big men.I had a tiny woman, because I was the last one to sign up, and I went by myself.When you were skydiving?
Yes, a tiny woman that we were tandem, and so she was tandem behind me, and everybody else jumped off, but she did double back flips out of the plane with me, and nobody will believe me because I don't have the video because the person broke into my house and stole my PlayStation 2.
Dang.That's the one thing you wish you could have back?
Unless it was a PS3.Probably 2, at that time it was a 2.Maybe a 2?
They stole my Skydive video!I know, man.I promise we did 2 or 3 backflips out of the plane!And you must have been watching it too a lot because it was in your PlayStation.Why else would it be in there?Well, you could download games at that point too.
Oh, okay.So, I don't think I have a single game now.
You're watching it every day.
Oh, I bought one it didn't work.I bought one of the boys for Christmas.I bought him a CD Madden and it was the actual CD.Why would you not just download it?
Because so they can open up something in Christmas, you know, like they can wrap it up and stuff like that.That's a good reason.
They were all like, yeah, yeah.Yeah, I guess it makes sense. I hate that for Bobby Portis.I hope he finds whoever was it stole stuff.I'm sure some good stuff, too He's rich yeah, but for me.
I think it's the position I'm in if I'm ever gone and people know I'm gone There's somebody at my house all the time Because that's just begging people and matter of fact they have a gun pointed at the door every second.I'm gone every door
I've got somebody at every door with a gun if I'm not there.So, not the biggest sports story, but something I was thinking about, wanted to bring it.
Something else I've been thinking about, I bet the Cowboys plus three, I thought, you know, if the Cowboys are really gonna do what I think they do, I say we, because I bet on them, we're gonna beat the Falcons.Because you're a fan now, too.
I'm a massive Cowboys fan.And I thought, this is getting nothing to it.And so I bring, not just because we talk Cowboys every week, because Eddie's not a fan anymore, he's not even wearing a Cowboys anything.
I mean, even less of a fan this week.
I thought it was hilarious when you see Dak mouthing on the sidelines, we effing suck.
Hey, Dak, we've been saying that too, dude.Welcome to the club.
Watching you.We've been saying that.That's kind of dirty, dawg.I don't think that's true.
He has no weapons.What do you expect him to do?
Okay, what's he saying then?He's blaming the people that were on the field at the time?No!He's talking about himself too.
He's talking about the organization.
We feel you, bro.We feel you.We've been saying that too. But you're acting like it's Dak.No, my only point was you said... He said we suck, and I'm saying we agree.
Okay, I can subscribe to that, but it felt like you said Dak specifically.
No, I mean, Dak, yes, it's hard for him too.It's just hard watching the Cowboys, man.It's hard watching the Cowboys, and yes, we too have been saying that too for like the last three or four weeks.We suck.
And when QB2 came in, though, I was like, here we go.Did you really think he was going to come back?I thought he was going to come back.
There was plenty of time never down 14 with like nine minutes left.
I was like, here we go Do you think that they pulled Dak on purpose like because I just saw him looking at his wrist No, and then they came back from commercial and said he's out with a hamstring Injury.No, I do not get they pay him way too much.
No way and there was too much time left And a drive at that point would have made it a one possession game No I thought it was the finger injury when they pulled him.I thought it was because of the finger.
Not that his finger wasn't hurt, but yeah, they said, and they're doing an MRI on his hamstring today or whatever it is.
I guess it's all connected, right?Hamstring goes all the way to your finger.
Hamstring bone goes to the finger bone.Finger bone goes to the hamstring bone. So Dax hurt, then CeeDee was hurt.And I felt like he was really hurt, like his shoulder.Really hurt.And I had bet him the over eight catches.And he was at what?
Well, so he was at seven and he was hurting bad.And I was like, leave him in the game, leave him.He got that eighth and I was like, get him out of the game.For the humanity, get him out of the game.
He's hurting for Christ's sake.
He hit the over and I was like, you got to remove him.Take him out of there. So the Cowboys are going to have to win a lot of games.Yeah, I don't think that's possible.
I just don't think it's possible.OK, let me ask you this question.
If you had to take one of the teams to make the playoffs, the Cowboys, the Bengals, which have a pretty tough schedule coming up, Ravens, a couple Steelers games, Cowboys, Bengals, or Jets?Pick a team.I'm still going Cowboys.Ah, Bengals.Oh, man.
We'll have a bet from both the Cowboys and the Bengals.
I mean you go go Bengals right like I think there's get their schedule is tougher Yeah, I'm tired division all the Browns suck We've also seen the Ravens kind of crap a little bit But every team crafts a little bit everything doesn't crap a lot and the Ravens had an opportunity to crap this weekend They didn't yeah, they dropped 41 or something like that right angles got the Ravens Chargers Steelers next three
They can do that.The Cowboys beat the Steelers.
Different Steelers.Didn't the Cowboys beat the Steelers with Justin Fields?Yeah, and it was like at 2 in the morning.
That's true.Everyone was sleepy.
I'm still gonna go with the Cowboys over those other two teams.I'm going Bengals. I mean, I guess, are we in a vacuum where Dak's not injured?
No, I don't know.We're in the real world.
This is the real world, man.Hey, Cooper Cup wins, man.Not Cooper Cup, sorry.Cooper Rush.Cooper Rush.Cooper Rush.Who got kicked out of the Rams?Was it Puka?Puka.Puka?Yeah.For throwing a punch at us, man.Okay, I'm going with the Cowboys still.
I have faith.Because you're a fan.I have faith. You sound like one of us.I know.But it's because I put a bunch of money on him before the season because that he made me.
I'm going cowboys.Kevin.Yeah.Bengals.Yeah.Bengals.Eddie.Yeah.Go Bengals, man.Can't do the Cowboys.We have no chance.We have no chance.We are in the Cowboys schedule.
It's tough.We got the Texans coming up.We have the Eagles next week.It's just- Have you played Washington yet?I don't even think so, right?We have not played Washington.
No, we got the, uh, Eagles, Texans, Commanders.
Bro, J, I see two and one.I see two and one coming.
Then the Giants, Bengals, Panthers, Bucs, Eagles, Commanders again to end it.
The Saquon Matrix backwards jump.And I'm sure a lot of that was on accident.Oh, I think he saw the guy coming.No, of course he did.He jumped, but I don't think he jumped purposefully to flip backwards.I think he was trying to spin.Yes, his momentum.
Eddie thought he did it on purpose.Oh, I did.
I saw he did the spin, and then he saw the guy like, ooh, I'm backwards.Let me split it.
I think he was just, that was his movement.Momentum?And he just took him, but it was awesome.It was amazing.
Yeah, in slow motion especially.
I thought he was gonna lose his helmet though when he got hit after, because he landed and he took a pretty good blow, but he got up.How about you're the Giants and you watch Saquon just milling it?
Unbelievable.Okay. Going Cowboys, Bengals and Bengals.
I can't believe I'm saying that, but I got to be real here.
Every week we go through this.
What's the best case scenario for the rest of the season and offseason for you?
We lose every game and then get a good pick.Dang, he's done done.
We're done done.I think you can, even as it is, I think you'll still win seven to eight games.To do what?I'm not saying... What do you want to do after that?
Okay, no, no, no.I'm not arguing.I hope you do.I'm saying I think you will. I hope they don't.
I hope that we just lose, call it a year, and then start over next year.With major changes.
But does that mean you've changed out McCarthy?Does that mean... Yeah.Okay, are you trading Micah Parsons?
Oh, do you still, are you still called the cowboys?Like he started?
No, no, no.Let's go.Let me bring back the oilers.I mean, I don't know, dude.Honestly, I really don't know.So your best case scenario again, one more time is we lose.We lose every game from here on out and we just change.
We just change everything about our organization.But that's not realistic.Change everything. Well, I mean, we'd still have our owner, so that's problematic.But you keep the same quarterback, you just signed him.Same quarterback, we have to.
We have CD.So we've got to change the head coach.We've got to change that coaching.Obviously, with Zeke and all his problems going on, the discipline in that office is not there.Zeke sucks, though.
How many times did they say he was late?
Every time.Every time, dude.But Zeke's not a real factor.He's not going to be a real factor.He's not a factor.But I feel like if he's doing that, then that's just the culture in there.You can do whatever you want.
I don't know, I'm obviously not in there, but I feel like if that's happening, that's gotta be part of the problem.
Okay, then if A equals B, according to you, then C is you're not gonna watch any more games and you don't care.
Yeah.Oh no, I'll watch every game.But I won't care as much.But that means you're rooting against them every game.
What I will do is I'll watch the game, I'll probably be doing something while I'm watching the game.But that means you'll be rooting against them because best case scenario is you lose every game. That's hard.
I'm not going to say I'm going to do that.But if it happens, it's like it's like Kevin.
Like if it happens, I'm rooting for him.
Like he went to the game to go see the Patriots.He wanted him to win.Yeah.But he wasn't hurt that they lost.
But his team is terrible.
His team has no weapons, no tools.The one weapon they have is a baby infant weapon.It's a quarterback.Really?Who made a great play to get the game to overtime and a terrible play in overtime.But yeah, it's all right.That's OK, though.
Yeah, it's all right. Dude, when that ball was in the air, it was coming right at us.We were sitting in the end zone.I was like, he's got him!He's got him!And they got picked.I was like, he doesn't got him.You were on the field?
Towards the end, like everyone thought the game was over.And so we walked down and then they started driving and then we sat in the seats like 10 rows up from the end zone.That's where they scored.Oh, so you weren't on the field.
No, I wasn't on the field.
Eddie said you were on the field.
It made it sound like that.He was at the end zone, he said.No, I didn't think that at all.I thought he was like right there sideline.
Oh, I think he's like doing some reporting.Him and Aaron Andrews?
OK, let's see.My things were one, Bobby Portis, two, Cowboys, Eddie, three.I was going to talk to Kevin about going to the game.I feel like if I were a Patriots fan, I would be very happy with that Drake May performance yesterday.
Very.Yeah, he had a couple bad plays.That pick, the first pick was very, very bad.But overall, I mean, he looked like maybe the best player on the... Tony Pollard's pretty damn good, by the way.Best player out of both teams.
Just making plays, at least.He gives me some hope.It's exciting.
Your dad and your brother with you.
Yeah, they flew in and I could see though hoping for a win because the whole family was there Yes, so I can under cuz I you know if they lose great You want a better pick and they're not gonna win a bunch of games, right?
The Cowboys will probably win seven I think I was when at least seven games this year I think the Patriots may win one or two more just because the NFL has so much parody.
Mm-hmm So they lose they lose but I think I'd be I'd be sad they lost because you wanted to like win a game with your dad and your brother
Yeah, but I will say that fourth down play, the final play of regulation brought enough joy where you're like, that was fun.And I'll also say Gerard May will go for two next time.I don't know why they don't go for two.
What are we doing?You know, the general rule, great point.The general rule is if you're at home, you go to overtime.
If you're on the road, you go for two. Yeah, and they had all the momentum.And also, who cares?Exactly.Who cares?Exactly.It's like, why wouldn't you just go for it?Yeah, I agree.
And final thing was, a lot of people lost this weekend in college football.Just looking at the list of teams that lost, Penn State lost.Now, they lost to Ohio State, but I'm going to read you all the ranked teams that lost.Penn State at three lost.
Texas A&M at 10 lost South Carolina.Iowa State, who's undefeated, by the way, lost to Texas Tech.Clemson, ha ha, lost to Louisville. Kansas State we don't like this for Kansas State.We like Kansas State.
They lost to Houston Pittsburgh lost to SMU Pittsburgh was bad I guess that game was not a game and Pittsburgh scored late to make that Somewhat look like it was a close.It was 48 25 and it was not that close of a game.
Yeah, and then Minnesota beat, Illinois, Illinois was 24.We like, Illinois, but a lot of teams lost that were ranked one two three
Three four five six seven teams Arc, it's all bad god dang fireball turn that game on it was like 35 to six It got bad real quick, and I've you know I punished myself and forced myself to watch every down Oh, yeah, I was like if you're gonna be a fan be a fan loser.
I do that too, and so I watch every freaking out louder internally I don't know, because I talk internally to myself as much as I talk out loud.You call yourself a loser?Yeah, I'm sure I thought.If you're going to be a loser, watch the game.
Watch the game.Do not leave.A single play.If you're going to make a big deal about it, it was an 11 o'clock game, you're going to wake up in the morning excited about it, and you're going to watch the whole game.You did this to yourself.And I did.
I watched the whole game.
And it sucks.So, stupid.I'm stupid.It sucks.Why are we putting so much on a team that we have no control over? But we do.It's a passion.Everybody's got passions.But like really like after the game's over.
Oh boy.Here he goes.He's getting existential now on the sports because this team sucks.
Like I have no control over what they do.That's their life.
You don't have control over like what your bosses do either.Like corporate and they can fire you, hire you.I can send an email.Okay.We sent one to Jerry Jones.He let us come with the Cowboys.
That's true.That worked.God, it just feels like I know we put so much into this and then they just lose and lose and then we're sit there all sad for the rest of the day for the rest of the week.You know my Mondays are so hard now.
My Mondays were never hard.
But it only feels that way because you're losing when you're winning.You're like I love it.I love putting it.Mondays are great.You wake up.We pretty much sucked on the parlay.
Yeah, I kind of kicked that off too with army that was close though.
I mean by 17 Kevin's only one that Vanderbilt plus seven I did bed like the Live betting I bet put like 900 bucks on Vanderbilt to what and they did and it was awesome.That's great Vanderbilts I like that'll ease the pain a little bit.
Yeah, but here's the thing.Yeah, there were four there were four games I we knew we weren't gonna hit all four
Someday we will though and it's gonna be awesome when we do that Kevin hit Vanderbilt plus 7 at Auburn Tennessee did beat Kentucky, but they did not cover 16 and a half army did beat Air Force.
They did not cover Michigan Oregon which Reid picked That was Actually, I think they might have been covering and then Oregon scored late.
Hey, it was the worst one, but it was bad The game was never close
Let's talk about the game, the Monday night game.So DraftKings PickSix, different app, you're going to love it.You select two or more players and choose who will have more or less of a stat, points or rebounds if you're doing basketball.
Or, like the football game, you can do passing yards.Patrick Mahomes, more or less than 250 passing yards and they're playing the Bucs.
And it's easy to go more, because again, he throws, but he hasn't had to be the quarterback he's been needed to be in the past.I'm gonna go less.Less than 250.Baker Mayfield, more or less than 236 passing yards.I'm gonna go more.
I think they're gonna need to throw.Because he's gonna sling. What does that even mean?
With his eyes closed.What does that mean?Just spray and pray.Let it rip.Spray and pray.
You said like 60 shades?That's a Call of Duty reference, dude.
Spray and pray, really?I don't know.
No, that's like a 1980s military.Why does it have to be 80s?70s, 80s military.Spray and pray's been around forever.You mean hoorah. No, no, no.Spray and pray's been a thing forever.They may also say it in college.Oh, yeah.
Kelsey, more or less than 61 receiving yards.Eh, why not more?Who cares?Exactly.
You see his brother, Jason Kelsey?
Yeah, what was that?Why would that idiot frat guy?That's stupid.Yeah, he's an idiot.
What are you doing?I don't know.He's probably drunk.
Just to be an idiot.Yeah.
I don't mean what he was saying.I don't understand because he used a ratio Sorry a homophobic slur for baiting a pop star just in my mind.I'm like why first of all never use that slur second of all Dating a hot pop star makes.
Yeah, it makes that's like it make you make no sense No, and then Kelsey slammed his phone Kelsey out fell like you sound you saw him kind of fall, right?If it that kid is lucky Kelsey didn't pound him and
or by pounding him with one shot, or just shove him to the ground, like the restraint that Kelsey was able to, what an idiot, what an idiot.But anyway, Travis Kelce, less, 61 yards.Okay, that's how we got there.
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All right, we're going to start with this.It's our guy we talk to every week.It's national college football writer for 24-7 sports, Brandon Marcello.Brandon is a weekly regular.I think he's the best at what he does.Follow him on Twitter, BMarcello.
And as he tells us later, at Brandon Marcello on Instagram.Let's get into college ball with Brandon Marcello.OK, Brandon, I want to start with South Carolina and Texas A&M.Is South Carolina getting a lot better as the season goes?
Is Texas A&M getting a lot worse?Or is this just SEC parity?
It's the parody portion of it, but also South Carolina has been pretty good throughout the season.They nearly upset Alabama on the road.They probably should have won that game.They were very close against LSU at home in a morning-afternoon game.
Carolina, for them, they were really good along the defensive front.And then when you have a dynamic quarterback like Lenora Sellers for them, They've got opportunities to beat really anybody in the SEC.
It's just that like nothing had really kind of come together.You know, Lenora Sellers had been hobbled a couple of times with some injuries.
He's not a great passer, but when the running game gets going, it makes him a better passer because more things open up.And the key here for them, the difference in this game between those others two,
against LSU and Alabama was that the running game got going early.They got a big lead early, 10-0.A&M decides to try and go for it on fourth down on their own side of the field, and the floodgates kind of opened up.
And as a result, the playbook opened up a little bit more for South Carolina.
I see a lot of Texas fans taking joy that Texas A&M lost.And again, just speculation here.Can A&M still beat Texas?
Yeah, I think so, because A&M's got a pretty good defense, especially up front.Their quarterback situation is pretty good.
Marcel Reed is kind of still learning on the go as a first-year starter and being inserted and picked off the field and put back on the field these last couple of weeks.
You know, the thing for Texas is that they really haven't played a big-time game on the road this season.Their toughest environment, I would argue, has been at Vanderbilt. other than Michigan.Now, Michigan, the big house, is different.
But also, Michigan is maybe going to be a 500 team, maybe a little bit below this year.They're an average team at best.Vanderbilt's above average.
And so Texas, really, when they go on the road at Texas A&M in that rivalry game, finally being played for the first time in more than a decade, and there's going to be playoff implications on the line, and potentially a spot in the SEC championship game,
That is going to affect the way Texas plays so much more than Texas A&M.And I think A&M is most definitely one of the top three teams in the SEC.
But playing that game at home could make them end up looking like the top team based off of the way they perform in that game with the home crowd behind them.
If we talk about SEC home crowds, Kyle Field, a place you hate to play because they are very loud, they're nuts.They got those weirdo dudes in white suits jumping around. I was talking about Neyland Stadium, Knoxville.It's massive.
They play Rocky Top so many times that you just leave that place singing and you're like, I wish I could stop singing.But that is a dynamic place to play.What would you list your top three home-filled advantages in the SEC?
Great question, man.LSU at night is number one. Number two to me, when things are going well and it's rocking, Florida, the Swamp.That place gets really, really loud.I was at a game there, it was an afternoon game even.
It was between Auburn, I think was in the top five at the point, and Florida was kind of on the borderline there.This was about like six, seven years ago.It's the loudest environment I've ever been in anywhere.I couldn't believe it.
I've been to several games there, that one was insane. And then third, I'll go out on a limb here and say it's either Tennessee at night when they're rolling or Williams-Brice Stadium at South Carolina at night.
Sandstorm gets in your head just as much as Rocky Top and that place gets noisy whenever they see any semblance of fight from their team and they've got an opportunity to upset someone.
So for me, it's those four, but the tie at number three between Tennessee and South Carolina.
And when he says at night, everybody, he means when they're drunk. I've had a lot of time to loosen up.But yeah, LSU at night and Florida, it's uncomfortable loud where you think, it can't be that loud.But it almost hurts, right?
Yes, definitely.There's no atmosphere like LSU in the entire country. because they get wet and lathered up throughout the day at the tailgates.
And it's the only place really in America where you've heard horror stories of teams riding in on buses and the fans surrounding the buses as they're coming in.And once they park, they start shaking the buses and rocking them back and forth.
It's a very, very volatile atmosphere.
Okay, let's talk about annoying day games.There was one this week, the Penn State-Ohio State game.It was at Penn State because the big noon kickoff.It had to happen at, well, noon.That was stupid that it was a day game.Do you agree?
Yeah, but TV rules the world.And at this point, it doesn't matter if a game's on in primetime for it to be their quote unquote big game, especially if Fox has got the first selection because their games are going to be at big noon.
And they had that one spot to be able to fill this week.But yeah, it makes you wonder like if the bigger games of the of the weekend And almost seemingly, we should just always put those at night, right?
But college football has changed so much in the last 15 years when it comes from a TV perspective.You know, I still hear a lot of old heads going, why, you know, even for some games going, why is this game being played at night?It's a bad game.
It's like, well, because they've got so many time slots to fill that they're moving things around.And it's all about hitting the dynamic of
not having a lot of head-to-head competition at certain hours, and let's put this crappy game here, and let's put this top-tier game here.It doesn't really much matter depending on the network that's selecting.
And with all the major networks involved at this point, it's just, if we get the biggest game, we're going to put them in our top time slot.And for Fox, it's noon.
I feel like that game could have gone Penn State's way had it been a night game.And I understand the dynamics of the television.
Hey listen, I disagree with that.You know why?Because Penn State is just Penn State.Penn State has become... Penn State's become Iowa with different colors.I mean, they just look so conservative and uncomfortable in big-time situations.
Penn State had two opportunities inside the five-yard line, and they got stuffed every single time.Four straight times on one possession.Nothing creative down near the goal line to be able to punch it in.
I mean, the only creative thing we saw was they motioned an offensive lineman across the formation just so he could block. Like, what are you doing?You're not going to confuse Ohio State by doing that.
And it's just not to say Penn State's snakebitten, but they're 0-18 when Penn State's ranked going against a top five opponent this century.It's not just a James Franklin problem.It's a Penn State problem.Joe Paterno was having the same issues.
But the difference between, I know I'm joking here when I say Penn State's like Iowa in a lot of ways, but there is one big difference here. Unlike Iowa, Penn State's got the talent to face an Ohio State or a Michigan year-to-year.
Iowa doesn't, and Iowa plays conservatively because they have to do that to dictate the tempo to give their talent a chance to contend against the better talent.
Penn State's got equal to maybe just a little bit below talent than Ohio State, and yet they feel like they have to be conservative to be able to win games.No, let it all fly.
You're playing at home in front of the biggest crowd in your stadium's history, 111,000 people, and you get to the goal line and you run it four straight times.What are you doing?
I would still say, and I agree, but I would still say that crowd at night helping the defense, I think that's a two to three points win.And Penn State's up 10-0.I thought it was like, here we go, baby.This is about to be, and it wasn't.
And they, you're right, they bombed.They got tight.And when you play tight, you don't win.I feel bad for James Franklin.Did you, you saw him arguing with the fan after the game?
Yeah, he's got to stop doing that.It's not the first time he's done that, by the way, in previous years.You just can't do that.Don't get into the fans.
That's why they're paying you a lot of money, is to take that criticism and just let it roll off your back.That's what the money's for, as they say in Mad Men.
um that's not a good look and it's only going to add fuel to the fire for people wanting him out there which is ludicrous to begin with considering all the games he wins and also penn state's most likely still going to go in the playoff this year and has a chance to make a run there so he just needs to let that stuff roll off his back otherwise you're going to put yourself in a situation where it's not just a war of words what happens now that fans know they can get a rise out of you by yelling at you
All it takes is one fan to say something really crazy or bump into you, and then all of a sudden we have a bigger situation here with all these cell phone cameras out there.So just let it roll off your back, go in the tunnel, go to the locker room.
I feel like Penn State and Indiana, Indiana's still undefeated.It's amazing.I think Cignetti's actually creating a new bar for first-year coaches, much like there have been a couple rookie quarterbacks, just like CJ Stroud did, right?
He shows up with the Texans, and now they're like, well, all rookies need to be pretty good.I think Cignetti's doing that because he brought over some of the JMU guys.He's the first time ever.Indiana's undefeated.I think they're 9-0 at this point.
I think they're 9-0. But they haven't played anybody.Penn State hasn't beat anybody.And when I mean that, they haven't beat anybody with a number beside their name.
How will that affect either one of those teams going into either the Big Ten Championship or the College Football Playoff?
It's a great question.I think what's really going to be interesting here is most recently here with the first release of the CFP rankings, how does that affect them in the selection committee's eyes?Where is Indiana in those rankings?
Where is Penn State?Is Indiana above Penn State in the college football playoff rankings? Probably not, because they're going to talk about strength of schedule.
And as you said, Indiana hasn't beaten anybody with a number beside their name, really, at this point in the year.But Indiana has won every game by 14 points or more.
I mean, hell, they gave Michigan State a 10-point jump start this past week and then scored 47 unanswered to win 47 to 10.And you're right.I mean, Cignetti's done an incredible job there and has set the bar.But I will say this.
Don't be thinking you can reach that bar if you're a first year coach anywhere else.Cignetti's special.
I mean there might be some bars out there you might be drinking yourself to death if you think you can repeat what Cignetti's doing in this first year somewhere else because what he's doing is magical but also
He's been telling us to expect this right throughout the preseason.He said, Google me everywhere I go, I win.He knows how to coach.He knows how to build a roster, more importantly, and get the best out of them.
Brought all those James Madison guys and listen, those James Madison guys are obviously very good, but they weren't like highly recruited guys or people that just popped.
I mean, even several of those guys you brought on from James Madison were only really getting power five lower tier power five offers. In the transfer portal this past offseason, Cignetti just loves those guys with the chips on their shoulders.
I mean, their top receiver right now was a guy playing D2 football just a few years ago.He's just built different.
Let's talk about Carson Beck.Three pretty ugly interceptions.Georgia, it took him a while.I mean, I watched a lot of that game.I thought, wow, will Florida actually pull this off?
Carson Beck's draft stock, probably not as good as it was when the year started.Do we still feel like Georgia could win the national championship?And do we still feel like Carson Beck is elite?
Georgia can very well win the national championships still.They maybe have the best talent in all of college football, even over Ohio State.The problem, though, is Carson Beck.His stock has dropped considerably in the NFL draft.
And I think that our preseason concerns about what is he going to do without Ladd McConkie and Brock Bowers at receiver and tight end are now warranted.
He's thrown 11 interceptions in the last five games, back-to-back games with three plus interceptions on the road.And of course, one of those was a big win at Texas, but you're seeing the cracks in the armor there.
And the thing with Georgia, though, is that they just need to have a little bit more confidence in some of those other receivers.
I think Carson Beck, he's gotten in his own head a little bit and he's starting to see ghosts a little bit because he's not trusting the players around him when he should.And it's incredible.
Carson Beck has the most interceptions by a Georgia quarterback since Aaron Murray was the quarterback back in 2011. So it's been 13 years of great quarterback play.And now it's just kind of above average quarterback play.
And that's holding Georgia back a little bit.I think Florida would have beaten Georgia this past week if D.J.Lagway, Florida's quarterback, doesn't get injured in the second quarter and has to be pulled.
And they have to bring in a walk on from Yale to be quarterback there.This was a one possession game in the fourth quarter. And Florida was obviously leading still at halftime as well when Lagway went out.
So Georgia does have some issues, but that defense is just so damn good that they're going to be able to beat anybody else on the schedule.
It's just you can't allow Carson Beck to throw three interceptions on the road down the line because they got a big, gigantic one this week at Ole Miss. Ole Miss is a dangerous team that is desperate.
They have to beat Georgia to stay alive in the playoff race with two losses already, and that's a dangerous spot going into Oxford against a desperate team that can score a lot of points.
Got two final questions.My first question, I start with a statement.I'm so glad to see Clemson lose.I hate Dabo.I don't hate him as a person.He's just annoying to me.So the fictional version of him, I'm just annoyed by all the time.
So I was so happy to see them lose to Louisville.So, OK, Miami wins.And there were some real nutty plays.They just continue to win, though.SMU wins.Can SMU beat Miami and win the ACC?
Yes, because of the ground game, the way they're able to run the ball and their defensive line, they're able to stop the run considerably well.
They were going into this game in the top three nationally in rush defense, if I recall, and they slowed Pitt down, jumped all over him.The difference for SMU here of late has really been Kevin Jennings, the quarterback.
They inserted him as a starter, I think, after week three. And at that BYU loss, they lost by three.And they have really turned things around.
And they're finding their identity offensively, which is a run first team that can hit the big play down the field.And then also defensively, they're just really good.The good thing for SMU is that it's an incredible story.
They're undefeated in the ACC right now.Last year, they were a group of five team, right?And they only had 14 months from the day they found out they were going to join the ACC So what did they do?
Rhett Lashley went out and got 13 offensive or defensive linemen in the portal, all of them with playing experience at a Power Conference team.They built the depth up, and that's helped them.
They've had to deal with injuries, but because of that depth they built up, They're able to contend in the ACC and I most definitely think they could give Miami some problems because a lot of teams have given Miami problems.
It's just that Cam Ward, their quarterback, is an absolute magician and puts his foot down on the throat of everybody in the fourth quarter and they're able to pull away in games.SMU's built a little bit different.
Final question, this is a purely hypothetical, I'd like to say it again, it is so hypothetical that I am floating on a cloud riding a unicorn.That's how hypothetical that this question is, okay?
Let's just say the University of Arkansas head coach Sam Pittman retires at the end of this year.You know, he's got a bad hip, he's had a good run, nobody wants to see him get fired, but again, the program, hypothetically, not really.
So we're riding the unicorn right now.Who do you think Arkansas' first call would be to, Rhett Lashley or Barry Odom?
I think it would probably be Barry Odom because of the connection there that's already established between Hunter Juracek, the AD, and obviously Barry Odom being the defensive coordinator previously at Arkansas and has SEC head coaching experience in Mizzou.
I think he'd probably be the first call.I think Rhett Lashley would definitely be up there, too.I have my own opinions on who they should hire.
Feel free to give it.We're an opinion-based opportunity right here.
Oh, I'd hire Rhett Lashley in a moment.Arkansas guy gets the program.I don't know what his thinking is, really. That's a dream job for him.
I mean, this guy grew up a Razorbacks fan, went to school there, and I think he would probably jump at the opportunity if it's right.Financially, the NIL situation, the recruiting aspect of it, and Wright Lashley just wins everywhere he goes.
I think he's perfectly built as a head coach in this new era with NIL and revenue sharing.I think he'd be a great hire there.I do wonder
the Arkansas Boosters, how they would see the potential of hiring another SMU head coach like they did with Chad Morris.But the two are not related, obviously.
They couldn't be further apart, especially with the way the programs have been built in separate ways.He'd be the guy I'd hire.Absolutely.He'd be the guy.
riding a unicorn, that's all.It's a completely hypothetical riding a unicorn situation.I'd just like to say that again.Brandon Marcello, you guys follow Brandon at Brandon Marcello, or at BMarcello, excuse me.But I follow you on Instagram too.
Is your Instagram BMarcello as well?Or can I just have your Twitter?
It's just, it's Brandon Marcello on Instagram.
Okay.So be Marcelo on Twitter, but Brandon Marcello on Instagram, uh, follow Brandon.He is my absolute favorite writer and all the college football.Brandon, good to see you.And, uh, we'll talk to you again next week.All right.See you, Bobby.
All right.New segment called oddly numbered list.I make a list and I don't, I don't commit to a number like top five, top 10.Oh, cool.It's just an oddly numbered list.
And my oddly numbered list this week are, uh, sports personalities that are awesome.
And there are nine of them.It's an oddly number.It's not a number.So I call it an oddly numbered list.And I'm going to start at number one.And the reason this list is what it is, it's one, how much time I spend with them now, not personally.
Some of them don't know I exist, but I listen to them.How much time I invested in them as a kid, some of them that factors in.And if like something big in sports happens, do I go and search what they have to say?
Like that's the ranking system for my oddly numbered list.
And we're gonna start at number one, and at number one, sports personalities that I love and depend on.I'm going Rich Eisen.He's awesome.For a few reasons.One, he's awesome.Two, he's awesome.Three, he's awesome.That's all I need.
You need nothing else.Good.Young, loved him on SportsCenter.Now, I've got to fill in on his show.Didn't even meet him when I filled in on his show, because he was gone, obviously.
It's not like he's gonna be there to meet me when I fill in on his show.Otherwise, he could do his own show.But he let me fill in for a couple days. We have talked to him on this show a couple times, he's been to my house, we went to dinner with him.
He works for NFL Network, so he's got insides even if he acts like he doesn't.He'll have opinions and I know you know this because you know this.It's not even because you're just speculating this.Number one, Rich Eisen.Number two, Colin Cowherd.
I listen to Colin Cowherd probably three days a week. I listen to the best of Colin Cowherd, which is the boiled down version of his four hour show.Maybe it's a three hour show, I'm not sure.
So it's like 45 minutes of just, and I love, he comes on with a big monologue, and it's great.And he has big opinions, and he said to me once, He was like, it doesn't matter if you're right or not, just be entertaining.
And I was like, that's awesome because he has a lot of opinions and he's probably wrong a lot of times, but who cares?He's like, who cares?Just have big opinions that are entertaining to people.Who cares if you're right?Just have opinions.
And number two, Colin Cowherd.And number three, Dan Patrick.Much like Rich Eisen earlier, spent a lot of time with Dan Patrick as a kid watching SportsCenter.
Dan Patrick's television show that also exists now, as does his radio show, and the Danettes, I'm a fan.And I would watch the television show when my hours were a bit different.I would watch the television show all the time.
I remember they had a golf simulator in his studio. And they had a basketball court.It was awesome.I was like, man, I want to do that someday.And so I have a golf simulator like in the studio at home.So yeah, Dan Patrick.
I just also like his interview style.I think he's the most famous
Of all?He's been in a lot of movies.
Movies, like Sandler movies.Dan Patrick is at number three.And catchphrases, right?He had the catchphrase, en fuego.
That was Dan Patrick, right? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.You don't, you're too young.
I was gonna say, I. You're too young.Yeah, I'm not sure.Hey, shut up, you're too young.Okay.But you agreed.Yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah.
Sounds right.It's just getting me to move on.Yeah, yeah.And number three on my oddly numbered list is Dan Patrick.
number four are the guys from part of my take which is a podcast that I listen to it's on barstool and they have really no background in playing sports, they're just funny and big cat and PFT which by the way, he was known because he just wrote so many comments on the message board of pro football talk that he That's how they found him.
He would just write funny messages in the comment section and
Like, stupid comments, or like?
Yeah, just whatever, yeah.But they, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I probably listen to two out of three of their episodes.Not fully, I fall asleep, because I listen to it at night when I go to sleep.
I never hear the back of anybody's podcast, by the way.I always fall asleep.It's so crazy that you listen while sleeping.
It's the difference, because my wife, when we married, I watched television every night falling asleep, because I slept with the TV on, never had a bedroom, so I slept in the living room, TV was always on.
So I always slept with the TV on, even as I, so the compromise I made with my wife was I just listen to a podcast now, and I listen to it under my pillow.So they are, they're at number four, because they are very entertaining.
Number five, Bill Simmons. When it comes to NBA, nobody is better than Bill Simmons.
Also, just like his story of being a Boston guy, blogging, doing Grantland, ESPN, pop culture, the meshing and melding of pop culture and sports, going to start the ringer, selling the ringer, like mogul, and also have friends that work for him, two of them, one still does, my brother-in-law.
So, Bill Simmons is at number five on my list. Number six, Ryan Rosillo, who now works for Bill Simmons at the Ringer.
Again, massive NBA guy, but also Ryan Rosillo, him and Van Pelt used to do a show together way back in the day on ESPN Radio that I listened to.
I listened to Rosillo and learned a lot of what to watch on my NBA Sunday ticket, because I have a Sunday ticket for NBA.It's also called League Pass.
Yeah.So Rosillo is 6.SVP's at 7.Scott Van Pelt, and here's why.I never miss a Sunday SVP podcast because he's the only person who puts out a podcast on Sunday because he does it right after the games on Saturday night.
Now McShay does that, who we're gonna have on in a little bit.But Scott VanPel and Stanford Steve do a podcast after all the college games on Saturday night so they can talk about it and they have it up for Sunday.
And so on Sunday, when I'm going to sleep, nobody's put out a new episode, so I'll listen to that on Sunday night.So I'll listen to SVP.And also, he was SportsCenter, you know, next generation.He's an icon.
And he does a live TV like after Monday Night Football, right?Yeah, every weeknight.That's SportsCenter.
That's SVP Center, whatever it is.
And he's like the only OG still around.
But I don't think he's O. He's not O. He's like M. He's like a MG.But Kevin's younger.
Just because you're younger, you can't say who the OGs are.So the M is the middle?
Yeah, he's a middle G. Like, you don't put him in the same timeline as the Rich Eisen and the Mayne Patrick?No.They're not the same.Really?
That's like Stuart Scott, right?With the Rich Eisen and stuff.
He's not O, and you can look this up and see when he came on, but the Os are Berman, Dan Patrick, Eisen came a bit late, but Craig Kilborn was an O. See, I don't even remember the Kilborn days.Exactly, so shut up.Dang.Got him, didn't I?For who?
Yeah, Van Pelt.And then when did Dan Patrick come on?
An OG.He's an MG though.He's the biggest MG.He's like a middle of the M and OG.
You can't fight for that.He's an MG.
I think he's like a middle OG.He's a middle G. It's okay, guys.
You both can be right.No, I'm right.He cannot declare he's an OG.
There's a big difference in 89, 2001.Big difference. Okay, that's number seven, SVP.Number eight, Nick Wright, who is one of the smartest guys in all of talking about sports, period.
He comes out and he says stuff, and I'm like, dang, I thought that, I just didn't even know to say it like that.He works at Fox Sports, he does the television show.Nick Wright is really, really smart, like probably too smart to talk about sports.
He has a weird way of growing on you.Yep.Like at first, you're like, who is this guy?And then you listen to him, and you're like, actually, he's right.
Or you're like, wow, he's way smarter than I am.I'd like to challenge him to a fist fight.Because he says stuff sometimes you disagree with, and you're like, you know what?I think I've been convinced.
And then finally, at number nine, new on my oddly numbered list, because new into my life, and he's been on this show as well, but I like to listen to him talk about football and scouting, is John Middlecoff, because he was once an NFL scout.
He scouted for the Eagles and Andy Reid, and now he does a podcast underneath the CalHerds network. So, at number nine, John Middlecoff, who also does a golf podcast.I listen to that as much.I like to hear the football stuff.
But his is called Four and Out, Three and Out.
Three and Out.So, there you go.That's my oddly numbered list.
Nine, I know.I like it.Thank you.
Never seen another list like it.
None.Wait till you see the other numbers.I'm going to come here with a 122 one day.
Anybody you put on the list?
Those are all tops for me.I was gonna say Bill Simmons, Russella, I listen to a lot.I also listen to Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah, Move the Sticks.That's a big one that I listen to.
I don't know them.Are they good?Yeah, they're like- I've heard the commercial for it.
Yeah, NFL Draft Analysis.
Oh, so they're an NFL podcast?
Yeah, they both work for, and they're very like, it's much more like deep analysis of players and teams and rather than like opinionated.
Even if they're not right.
Even if they're not right, as long as they're entertaining.Okay, now let's get over... Mike, you want to go to commercial first?Yeah, let's go to commercial.Okay.We're going to come back with Todd McShay.All right.
Here is longtime NFL draft analyst Todd McShay.He has a new podcast called The McShay Show, where it's just in-depth on... I've been listening and watching, and I'll tell him this.I found out on TikTok.I was like, oh, McShay does a show now.
This is cool.But he does... I mean, it's a lot of football, and I would say he obviously talks about how good players are and possibly the draft, but he does more than just that.
I think because I know him from that, I only associate him with that right now, meaning the draft stuff, but it's a really good show.You can follow him on Twitter, at McShay13, but again, it's called The McShay Show, and here he is, Todd McShay.
Hey Todd, big fan, glad to have you on the show.Thanks for spending a few minutes with us. Of course.How are you doing, man?Good.You know, I kind of discovered your new venture.Like I discovered everything in the whole world now on Tik Tok.
And I was like, dang, she's doing a podcast now.And then it's all, it's all with Bill and Ringer.And so congratulations, because I'm already a fan.It just feels like when it comes to college and NFL, you're pretty dialed into both.
How, how has the transition been?
It's been fun.It really has.It's, you know, it's, it's not what I expected.I was with ESPN for 17 years and, um,
you know, kind of develop my career and through the NFL draft and then doing college games for about 12 years on the sideline as a sideline analyst.And so when when that relationship ended, let's put it that way.
I wasn't sure where you know what the next step was.So I kind of interviewed and talked to like nine different places and finally found a home.And it feels right with Spotify and the ringer.
And I always said, like, if I'm going to do it, if I'm going to come back, I just want to do it my way with my people, handcuffs off and just be able to share more of the process.Right.Like not just 90 second clips with video over it.
And the producer in my ear telling me, you know, when to wrap up. And I'm sure you can relate to this.Like there's something freeing about just being yourself with your people, being able to go on.And if it lasts 50 minutes, great.
If it lasts 90 minutes, great.But be able to just kind of be authentically you without any restriction.So that that part has been a blast.It's only two weeks old, but the McShay show, you know, so far so good, I think.And we're having a lot of fun.
Yeah I agree and something you said there resonates because obviously like I hired all my friends we've been doing this for a long time but it's the little things too like for example the Richmond Spiders helmet that's behind you and I watch clips I listen to the podcast and I was like okay I've watched McShay do draft analysis forever I've watched you do but like I didn't know your story but that helmet made me look into I had no idea that did you walk on at Richmond in like 95 is that is that what it is?
Yeah, so I was a kid from a small town, Swampscott, Massachusetts, right?Football is not it's not a hotbed.
It's not Georgia, Florida, Texas, California, and wound up a coach, Jim Reed, who coached at UMass for a long time, brought a bunch of he was, you know, in Massachusetts before coaching at Boston College when he got the head coaching job at Richmond, brought a bunch of mass holes down to Richmond, Virginia.
And that was kind of a culture shock for all of us.But
I was a preferred walk on and I came to realize what preferred meant was like, yeah, you can come and get a great education, but you're going to be a tackling dummy for a while and see if you have a chance to actually contribute to this team.
So it was a great experience. I never thought I'd be able to play with guys like Mark Magnus, Sean Barber went on to the NFL.But but but it kind of paved the way for me.
I got injured and wound up doing an undergraduate coaching gig with University of Richmond.
And and that was kind of the I don't know, the the jumping off point for me, just sitting in an office, breaking down tape, doing all these like, you know, demeaning tasks at the time.
But it got my foot in the door and it was kind of the start of all of this.
And to your point, because you do this podcast and you can go a bit more long-form and you can even pick the set behind you, I saw the helmet and was like, I wonder what his relationship is with Richmond.
Because again, I'd only watch you do what you do really well on ESPN, which was, you would talk about the draft for the most part.You'd be the guy that I would watch a lot of when it came time to actually
honestly making bets on who I thought was going to fall where.But it was that, and it was like what you're doing now, which is really cool, is giving a more look at actually who you are.
So congratulations, and I'm already a fan, so really looking forward to the growth in the podcast space.And I also enjoy, I was listening to you talk about running backs, and how
It's different than it used to be back when we were a lot younger when they would draft a bunch of running backs early, but there are going to be a lot of running backs drafted early for running backs this season, like multiple running backs.
It's interesting, you know, part of it is I think just football in general is cyclical, right?
And I think we got away from the running backs when the spread offense came in and you started to see it was all about wide receivers and getting guys the ball in space.
And so I think the running back position had to evolve to guys who weren't just built like Eddie George, you know, and 30, 35 carries a game, pounding it away. running backs now are an extension of the the run games and extension of the past game.
And and they've got to be able to catch the football and be dynamic when they get in space, because that's what everyone's trying to do is is create these opportunities.And so as the game has evolved, the running back position has evolved.
And now we're even turning in, you know, tune into the NFL on Sundays. Like running backs are becoming a bigger and bigger factor.
And it's not like, you know, three guys in a committee necessarily, like just, you know, the vast majority of good teams have one and some, and a lot of times like two really good running backs.Look at Detroit, right?
Like Jameer Gibbs, they use a first round pick.Terrible decision to draft a running back in the first round.How is Brad Holmes, the GM for tennis for Detroit gonna,
you know, gonna address all the important positions when he's using one of those first round picks on a running back.Well, now you've got Jameer Gibbs, you've got David Montgomery.They're kind of a two headed monster.
The running game is setting up the passing game.Play action is where, is where Jerry Goff feeds off of.And so we're starting to see that evolve.And I think in college football, you see the same.
And now all of a sudden you've got an Ashton Gente, who nobody nationally really knew about coming into this year.And now he's,
you know, probably the front runner for the Heisman Trophy with the number he's putting up, numbers he's putting up, along with Dylan Gabriel from Oregon and Travis Hunter, who's playing, you know, both sides of the ball and doing historic things.
So with Gente, he's going to be a top 10 pick.But even beyond that, like Quenshawn Judkins and Travion Henderson, watching that one two duel and what they were able to do against Penn State and what they're doing for Ohio State.
Omarion, Omarion Hampton for North Carolina is having a huge year.Nicholas Singleton, the running back for Penn State.I mean, the list goes on and on.It's unbelievable.
Trevor Etn from Georgia, Kalel Mullings, a former linebacker, now running back in Michigan, having a huge year.Dylan Sampson, anyone who's a fan of the SEC, watching what he's doing for Tennessee.So
This could be a historic year, not necessarily first round or even first two rounds, but when we get into like the late second, third, fourth, fifth round, it could be the most running backs we've seen come off the board in a long, long time.
I have a heavy bias because I have a relationship with Deion Sanders, coach prime.I've known him for a long time.I love him.He's my favorite.So I love what he's doing at Colorado.I have a heavy bias, but I say that.
So too, if I ask you, how do you feel like the, it's not even an experiment anymore.Does it feel like that?Cause he's been there long enough.How do you feel like coach prime has done at Colorado?
I think it's been a massive success by any measurement. You know, it started with the his ability because of his name and his brand and his the way he promotes everything that they do.And it turned a lot of people off.
But what it didn't do is turn off recruits from coming in one to play at Colorado.Colorado was one in 11 two years ago.And we had Joel clout on the show last week.
And he obviously was a three year starter at Colorado and is tied in very well to Colorado.I forget the number, but I think they lost by close to an average of 20 points that year when they were 1-11 before Coach Prime came in.
And so obviously the attention they got, the commercials, the interviews, and everything that came with it, It felt like a little bit of a disappointment when they won, what was it, four games a year ago?Four or five games?
But it was still a huge turnaround from the product on the field the year before that he was there.And this year, the attention, like the national media has not been on Colorado as much as it was a year ago in the first year that he was there.
This is a damn good football team, man.Like they're they're protecting Shador Sanders better.Their defense is a lot better.Like they're I'm not going to sit here and say they're going to win the Big 12 because you got BYU playing at a great level.
You've got Kansas State, Iowa State had the loss last week. But Colorado's in it.And when's the last time we could say like Colorado in November is legitimately in the Big 12 race.So that's been phenomenal.
See, the other thing too, man, I'm excited about.And I was talking to Joel cloud about this as well.I, I was, I think two weeks ago on one of our first shows,
I made the comment, and I believe it, we have to take it seriously when Coach Prime says, I'm going to dictate terms in the NFL draft.We've seen it before, John Elway, we saw it with Eli Manning.
Every once in a while someone steps in and says, you know what, your system doesn't apply. And I'm not going to allow my son to go to an organization that has no chance of winning.You know, David Tepper is the owner in Carolina.
There's no chance he's going to let his son go and play in Carolina.There's probably no chance he's going to let him play in Cleveland.So that's going to be such an interesting facet.And I also, it was interesting after I put out that clip,
Someone brought it to my attention that Coach Prime had liked our video.I think it was a video that we did on Instagram, right?
Just like a minute and a half clip on me talking about how it is serious that Coach Prime is going to dictate terms where Shador goes and maybe even where Travis Hunter goes.And he liked that clip.
And I'm well aware that he's not sitting around watching the McShay Show in the first two weeks of its inception.
And so how intentional he is with that and having someone that's scouring through social media to find clips to help kind of promote the concept and let everyone in the National Football League know, hey, this is real.
I'm going to be a problem for some of your organizations that want to draft my son.And that's going to be a fascinating storyline to follow.
You mentioned David Tepper, owner of Carolina.Let's stay on the owners for a second.Jerry Jones.I mean, I don't know.Is he too old to do this anymore?
It's hard to say that he's too old to do this anymore, but I think if he wants to help himself in the Cowboys organization, there has to be a little bit more checks and balances.
There's got to be people in that organization that can tell him no, that can have foresight, that can advise and guide a little bit better. Some of the offseason moves.I mean, you look at some of the people that they were that they let go.
You know, you know, Amari Cooper being one of them.And the Tony Pollard in Tennessee.I know Tennessee is not winning, but my goodness, is he is he effective as a running back there?
And can you imagine, like, the difference between bringing back Ezekiel Elliott, who wasn't even dressed this week because of basically a suspension for not attending meetings and all the other issues?Just. It feels like a mess.
And to see that, you know, to see Dak Prescott, they caught him saying, you know, we bleep and suck.And just like it feels like for the first time, it's not just like this big Cowboys show and the product isn't as good as all the hype.
It feels like things are falling apart in that organization.
and to spend the money they did on Dak when they spent that money, which meant they had to pay a lot more because they got so late in the process rather than setting the market a little bit earlier.
It just poorly managed in terms of the salary cap and the players that they're paying versus the players that are letting go, would to me stands out the most from this last off season.
Two more organizational questions and they can kind of be in the same or the Bengals have to win a bunch and the Jets have to win a bunch they both have Had pretty subpar starts to the season.
Can either one of those teams win enough games to make the playoffs?
I Think they're both capable, you know talent wise I truly think they're both capable of But the margin of error that they've put themselves in is just, it's hard to overcome.
So if there are any two teams that talent-wise are capable of doing it, it's the Bengals and the Jets.The Bengals, it seems like they always, with Joe Burrow, they've always got enough to slow starts.The contract situations with their wide receivers,
Absolutely played into that early this year.They're starting to pull it all together.I think they'll make a legitimate run at it, but I don't have enough confidence that they'll actually be able to win.
You know, what was the borough quote before last week?We got to win seven out of nine.That's doable.You know, we can do that.Paraphrasing, but essentially that that's what he said. And yeah, it is doable, but it ain't gonna be easy, you know?
And so I just, I wouldn't bet on them being able to make that kind of run.But if, again, if there was a team that could do it, I think they're one of them.
For the Jets, like you see the Richmond Spiders helmet, Joe Douglas, I'm pointing to the wrong one.Joe Douglas, I played with Joe.He's the general manager of the Jets, played with Joe at Richmond.So I've known him for, you know, almost 30 years now.
He's put together a really good roster. Ownership with Woody Johnson has made it difficult.
Just check out Bill Belichick and all of his quotes, and I know there's a rivalry there and frustration in their history, but he's not wrong with a lot of things he's saying.
And so it's difficult, you know, when ownership has its hand in some of the decisions, that plays a factor. Aaron Rodgers does not look the same.The injuries definitely slowed him down.He's not able to move around the way he used to.
That feels like there's a lack of tempo and urgency in that offense.But this past week they looked like they finally looked like the Jets that that you'd expect to see.Davante Adams.The addition is huge.
Garrett Wilson still playing at extremely high level.Breeze Hall is one of the best, most talented running backs in the NFL like they've got the talent.
I think defensively they they've been a little disappointing in terms of their tackling their linebackers and all that, I don't pull for any organization, but I appreciate what Joe has done there.
The players he's drafted, the players that they've brought in, they've done a phenomenal job.It's just, can this organization gel and can they play their best ball down the stretch, which they're going to have to do.
And they're going to have to go on a run similar to the one we were talking about with the Bengals, like probably seven out of nine wins.And that's not easy to do in the NFL.
Last question, multi-part, but I do want to talk about four rookie quarterbacks and how you feel like they have played based on how you felt like they would play.Obviously, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels.I love Bo Nix.
I didn't love Bo Nix, but I love Bo Nix now because that dude just goes.He's an idiot and he's awesome in the same game.Also, who else am I forgetting?Oh, Drake May.
So talk about those four quarterbacks and how you feel their development's been and kind of the ceiling for each of these guys.
Oh, I mean, we could go on for an hour, right?But I'll try to kind of be brief and sum it up.Jaden Daniels is there's a case study that general managers should should study.
And I think more importantly, quarterbacks in college football that are that legitimately have a chance to go play in the NFL should study.Jaden was a third.It was like a fifth round prospect going into his first year at LSU.
Talked to Brian Kelly before Tennessee game that they wind up getting blown out on, but he understands like what I do and told me like, listen, stick with Jayden.He's special.
We know he's a special athlete, but you don't see yet on tape is in games is what I see in practice.The anticipation, the ability to throw guys open when he trusts his read, he's a phenomenal passer. And we hadn't seen that yet.
And he said, I'm pissed off this week because everyone in the local media is saying, Jaden doesn't have an interception.He's been tremendous.He's like, I just want him to throw an interception.
I want him to realize the world's not going to end if he trusts a read, throws the ball, and it doesn't work out, and he throws a pick. And I'll never forget the first play in that game, they had a design comeback route.
And I could just hear him in meetings like, Jaden, I don't care if it's an interception.I don't care what happens.Let it rip.Trust your read.And he did.And it was a perfect throw completion.
And even though they lost that game, it was like from that point on, he kept getting better.And what we saw in his second and final year, I said coming out like,
I think Caleb Williams has tools that are unique and special, and if developed properly, can be one of the elites of all time.And you see some comparisons with Ian and Patrick Mahomes.
But if I was dropped on this earth and was just given the 2023 tape of the two quarterbacks, I'd say, oh yeah, Jaden's the guy.
And Jaden had, with Mike Denbrock, his offensive coordinator at LSU, Jaden came into the NFL and it was a lot of similar stuff. And it was very similar system.
So not only did he have like 56 starts or whatever it was between Arizona State and LSU and have the opportunity to grow in a more of a pro style system as he got to LSU, but he played in a system that prepared him for the NFL.
So I think the combination of the game experience that Jaden had and the developing that he did in his final year and a half there at LSU and the fact for NFL teams to look and say, you know what?
How critically important was it to Jaden his rookie year to play in a system that he was comfortable in?And so I say that because what he's doing is so unique and special.
Rookie quarterbacks should not play at the level that Jaden Daniels is playing this year.And what is Washington now, seven and two?So this is a rarity. But there's something to learn from this.
And then you look at Caleb, and Caleb after the first three weeks, we're like, oh no.And watching Jaden, how great he was playing, maybe Caleb's not what we thought he was going to be.
Maybe some of the, you know, the backyard football, the sandlot stuff, maybe he's just, he's always going to try to play hero ball.But then he started to really make progress from like weeks three or four, for like three or four weeks.
And now in the last couple of weeks, he's coming back down to earth a little bit.
The problem for Caleb is, if it keeps on this trajectory, it's gonna be just another rookie quarterback going into his second year with a new head coach, a new offensive coordinator, and starting over again.
And so hopefully Chicago makes the right decision, if that's the route they go with a new staff, and brings in someone that actually knows how to develop quarterbacks, because Caleb is absolutely special.He is.Jayden and Caleb are unique.
They're different.They have a chance to be elite quarterbacks in the NFL. So that's those two.Drake May is kind of exactly where we thought.An organization that does not have the supporting cast around him.
Hopefully he doesn't have to play as a rookie, but we all kind of know he's going to play as a rookie, right?Because they all do. And I've been encouraged, like I was at the Jets game.I went down there with my son and watched the Jets game.
And before he had the concussion and got injured, I was really encouraged by how poised he was, how comfortable he was.He's not there as a passer yet.The system's completely different, and it's been a big jump for him.
But you see some of the positive signs.
And I think if New England next year can bring in some more weapons, protect him better, another year of experience, I think Drake May is going to have a chance to be a solid to above average quarterback in the league.
And then Bo Nix, I didn't see it as much as Sean Payton.And I give Sean Payton a lot of credit.And there's going to be bumps in the road.
And after the first couple of weeks, I kept thinking to myself, maybe Sean shouldn't have been so over the top with his preseason hype of Bo.And maybe he set the bar too high.And so the expectation is never going to meet it.
But he loves Bo Nix, and that's his guy.And he's been looking for his guy, the next Drew Brees.And I'm not saying he's going to be Drew Brees, because there's not many that God makes, right?
But I do think that he is the right fit, and we're seeing Bo like he's mature, competitive. It just loves the game.Coach's son, all those sorts of things.And you can see the development week in and week out.There's going to be setbacks.
We saw it this Sunday.But you can see Bo Nix is the right guy for Sean Payton.And that's fun to watch, too, as a guy who sits in this room and watches tape all the time.
It's not just about the process of where they get drafted, it's about where they land and what do they have around them to develop.
And clearly, Jaden has the right things in place to develop, which is shocking to say from a Washington organization with Daniel Snyder at the top for so long, they couldn't do that.Caleb does not yet.Drake May does not yet.
Bo Nix, it will keep getting better, but Bo Nix is in the right place.And that's all you can ask for as a rookie quarterback.
I want to encourage everybody to check out The McShay Show.I'm already a massive fan.Are you doing three episodes a week?Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday? Yeah, we're doing it.
So Saturday night is just during the season.We're doing it after the primetime game.This is our first week live.I'm glad you brought it up.We the last two weeks, we've taped it.
This is the first week we're going to be live on YouTube and Spotify right after the primetime game.And we figure this is let's get the kinks out the first two weeks.Right now we're going into week three.
And I mean, who doesn't want to talk about LSU Alabama right after that game? And I know there's going to be lunatics that are still up that want to yell at their screen and like, we're the place to do it.
So probably around 1130, whenever Herbie and Fowler, they sign off on that game, we're going to jump right on and we're going to talk about that game and some of the other big games on Saturday.
And then every Tuesday and Thursday, we'll kind of college football reaction. college football look ahead Tuesday and Thursday, respectively, and always with the NFL and NFL draft tied in.
And when the season wraps up, it'll probably be two shows still on Tuesday and Thursday and, and just a heavy focus on the NFL, NFL draft in like, you know, February, March and April.
Go search up the McShay show.Todd, big fan again.Thank you for your time.And hopefully I'll talk to you again soon. Yeah, I'd love that, Bobby.I appreciate the time with you, man.All right, see ya, buddy.The NBA is finally back.
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All right, we're just about done.What is your one favorite story slash takeaway from the weekend?Kevin, I'll go to you first.
Probably, I'm enjoying watching Oregon.Oregon's rolling.
I'm enjoying watching them get, I don't know if they're getting better, but they're getting better.
It seems like they are, when all these teams, like the Georgia still barely beat Florida, like these teams are barely hanging on, and Oregon's just almost separating themselves now.
and especially because of the first of the year, they were almost losing.Like not just the Boise State game, it happened a few times.Yeah, Idaho I think.
Yeah, so I agree and we are a bit biased because we were up there, we were with Coach Lanning, but yeah, they are really peaking at the perfect time, it feels like.
Yeah, you see our boy Tez went down though?
I don't know if it's like a, I think it was a broken collarbone, but I haven't seen it.
Oh, I didn't know that.It was definitely a shoulder.That sucks, he's gone then for, Six probably six eight weeks broke collarbone right broken collarbone.I have no idea.
I love to play internet doctor Yes, but my buddy Chris broke his collarbone in high school, and he was out six to eight weeks So you base it all off of that?Yep, that's literally the only thing I base it off of.
Yeah, it doesn't say details, it just says, I think he's getting further evaluations, as they say.
Reed, did you watch any sports at all?I didn't watch anything this weekend.I just cooked and chilled with the lady.Reed's fiance was in town, so he was worthless to us on this show.
I didn't even play pickleball, man.
Oh, there'll be new rankings out.We had quite the match yesterday.There'll be somebody that is rising up the rankings.Can't wait to hear it.Stay tuned.So the new pickleball rankings will be out the next episode.Can't wait.
We'll play once this week, I'm sure, if you guys want to play Wednesday or something.But it is not going to be pretty for some folks if they don't get some wins in.That's all I'm going to say.
I'll be ready.Are there any new additions?
Okay. Solid yes.Eddie, did you go yesterday?
I did not.No, no, I did not go yesterday.There will be a new addition.And we had somebody new play for the first time.
You can't be on the list, because you've got to have two appearances before you get on the list, who took me to the championship match and gave me some business.
Yeah, I did not win.Did not win, but gave me some business in the championship match.OK.So that's all I'm going to say.What are the initials?Don't worry about it.How about that?D-W-A. Hi.Boom.Dwayne.It was Dwayne.Don't worry about it.I know him.Yes.
Eddie?What do you want to talk about?The Cowboys?What do you want to talk about?It doesn't matter.The best takeaway of the weekend?I mean, the Cowboys, they suck.Eddie's like a depressed... Well, it's hard to even watch football.
I tried to watch the game last night.
Minnesota Vikings and let's see if they can win this game fell asleep halftime We didn't get to talk about Casey's Jets win over the Texans because we did that show Thursday afternoon Yeah, so I'll give you a second talk about that here.
Yeah, I mean it was probably a typical Well, yeah, it was it was a typical first half of the Jets that guy Malachi Corley that we picked up last year.
Third rounder everyone was like hyping him up.They're like, we're like, where has he been?Where has he been then?He you know gets his gets his moment runs into the end zone drops the ball right before it crosses.
I don't know why people still do that I don't know how so raised So the first half was kind of what this whole year has been but I guess there was some kind of pep talk at the second half because they came out swinging man Garrett Wilson looking pretty good
Had that amazing catch that everyone's been comparing to OBJ's catch in MetLife Stadium.So, I don't know.We'll see.We got Arizona coming up and the Colts.
You got a little pep in a step, you hear?
I don't think the Bills are the only team we play coming up that is over 500.Every team that we play is under 500.So, it's time to believe in you guys.Including us.Including us.
Listen to the tone of his voice.It's amazing what a win will do.
One win.One win tone of his voice.Big win.Texans, man.Let's go.That's awesome.
So I don't like, I'll end on this.I don't like, I play in two fantasy football leagues.I don't like playing in two leagues.
I can play in one so I can put all my eggs in that basket and not have to worry about who's playing who and do I have teams on the, but I have two close groups, but in the league I play in with Kevin Kluge, my trainer.
I'm like, of all 12 teams in the league, I'm like third overall in points, but I was like, One and six so luckily they have that rule both leagues now do where six teams go to playoffs But the sixth spot goes to the person who has the most points.
It's not in the top five Okay, so it and I love the rule because they're just it's just unlucky sometimes when you play teams that are putting up a bunch of points Yeah
So record hasn't been good in that league, but I've been just scoring like crazy like crazy like crazy and so last week Dak put up like a 40 spot and I forgot the game was over to me but Dak put up a 40 spot when I'm winning my game because I woke up and I was like, oh my god, I won I don't remember because I I don't know why I stopped watching the game and
They scored late.So I ended up winning because Dag put up that 40.I didn't know.Logged on this morning.I was way down.Do you know what happened to my team?They put up a significant amount of points.They ended up winning me the game.
Can you think of anybody who put up significant points?
He did put up a lot of points, but something I wouldn't have seen.Jackson Smith and Jigba put up like 40.
He caught a lot of balls.And a couple touchdowns.
Oh, I had him on the bench.
Dang it.He had like 40 points.So in that league where I was like one and whatever, I think now I'm going to... Are we nine weeks in?Nine, yeah.I think now I'm four and five.I've won like four.Make a run.But I don't even need a run.
I got so many points.I'm going to have that six spot anyway.But big shout out to those games where you don't think you're going to win and you win.Because I hate it the opposite when it happens and it's the opposite.Because that's happened to me too.
I'm like, I got this.I'm going to bed and you wake up and you're like, He scored 71 points?Yeah.Um, so that's what's up.Thank you guys. And that's going to do her.Does basketball start today?College basketball?
What's today?Monday?Monday.I saw a bunch of games.
Maybe.Arkansas is not today, so that's all I think about.No, you guys play Wednesday.We play Lipscomb.
Yeah, Lipscomb in Arkansas, though.
I thought they'd be here.No, you didn't think they would be here.We wouldn't come and play here.But that would be so cool.I mean, I would like that, but we wouldn't come play here.
Yeah, there's some games today.
Let's go.That's it.Thank you, guys.And we will see you next week.Goodbye, everybody. Oh, we didn't blow the whistle.I'm blowing.We didn't blow the start.Okay, thank you. Theme song written by Bobby Bones, that's me, and performed by Brandon Ray.
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