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But if you want to see a vision of the future, basically the top 20 and even the top 100 is totally dominated by China.
Yeah, there's China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.
So are you in the top 20 in the world?Yeah.Wow, in Diablo.
Do you want to tell everybody your handle?No, don't tell them.Don't tell them.It's not worth it.
Well, they actually listed me with my actual name in the list. Oh, did they really?
But yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20.The rest, almost everyone is from Asia otherwise.
We were talking about something that I think is a really good, because people always think that video games are frivolous, but what you were saying I think that's really important is it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that and it can like relieve stress.
Yeah.It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard.
You can only think about that.
Yeah.I mean, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then I have to concentrate fully on the game.And it has a calming effect.
It sort of chills down.And I mean, you mentioned, I think, many people would like if you play martial arts or you play pool.Yes.Like something that forces you.
It's like I think anything that forces you to concentrate fully actually has a calming effect.I find it just sort of like, Kind of a mental restoring effect.
It's good.Jiu-jitsu is like that, archery is like that as well.Like when you're shooting a bow, there's so many moving things and you have to think only of it and it cleans the mind.
It cleans the mind, yeah, exactly.
I was reading this study about surgeons where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.
Well, video games require manual dexterity, so it makes sense.Completely makes sense.
Actually, if somebody was ever good at video games, I'd say their surgical skill is going to be very good, because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games... Look at this, 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored 26% better overall than their non-player colleagues.
Oh, I believe that for sure.
That's incredible.You should be required in medical school to play video games. Don't you think?
If somebody's like a top-ranked video game player, and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like, plus one, plus two type of thing.
Oh, top-ranked for sure, but this isn't even top-ranked, this is just people who play.
Well, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high, so you're looking at things on a screen, you're reacting, and sometimes you've got like 10 milliseconds to react.Yes.
And so if somebody's got incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously gonna be a good surgeon.
Imagine if there was a course that you could take.That course would promote, you would be 26% better.
Everyone would have to take that course.Sure.Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared?You would say, hey Bob, did you take this course?You didn't take this course.Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better?Sure.
You would have to take it.Everyone should have to play video games if you want to be a surgeon.
Well, I think it certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well.Because you've got to move both hands simultaneously.You've got to react to something very fast on screen.
And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game.So if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good.
Defined motor skills have to be excellent.
If you think about like Starcraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional.Period.As a human being.There has to be something exceptional about you.
Yeah.Actually, if you're interested in Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.
I know we talked about this.I loved Quake.
Yeah, yeah.My final semester in college, I probably put more time into Quake than all my college classes.
When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds.They were very, very fun guys.And they had a LAN set up at the studio where they all played Quake.I had never played video games.
And I would go in with the writers and just kind of hang out with them.We'd get silly.And then we would all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other.And I got addicted, like hardcore.I got a T1 line installed in my house.
I went hardcore.Yeah, exactly.Checking how many milliseconds of latency.
Oh, yeah.I was fully addicted.I was making my own computers.I was going to Fry's Hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. Too much of a time suck, though.I'm an obsessive person.I can't get involved.Like, I can't play golf.
No, golf is too slow for me.I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good.
And I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's, I guess if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, and it's an outdoor walk, then that's cool.
And it does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it's too slow for me.
Nothing compares to video games in terms of like the amount of feedback you get like yeah the the the the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large high resolution screen you have a fast computer you have headphones on you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are flying by you and
It's there's nothing like that.Yeah, but I think golf still is like Jamie will tell you Jamie's an addict.He's a golf nut It's super addictive and it's like eight hours a day.
It's yes Once you get into golf, I think I guess any sport it gets super addictive so but but for me the Intensity of video games is hard to beat
Yes, it's and the people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time, but we're showing like real-world benefits So people playing video games.
Yeah, if you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town Yeah, absolutely really good at video games.
Yeah, that's for sure.So In fact, I'd actually tell
like what my mental acuity is, if I just play, if I play a very hard video game, so if I'm trying to sort of get like a, an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, or you know, a first person shooter, whatever the case may be, like if I can tell that I'm tired, or my brain's not working as well as it should, it's like a mental calibration, you can tell immediately, like what is, how good is your mental state?
You know, so if you're trying to play really well, if you play late at night and you're tired, you just play badly.And you can say, okay, you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't.
Because you play the video game and you're like, you suck.So, okay.
Yeah, you're putting it under stress.Yeah, you're really stress testing it.
You stress test it.Because sometimes it's like, oh, I think I'm fine.But then you play the game like, okay, I'm not.I'm like 10% below what I should be.
That's how I feel about workouts, for sure.That's how I knew I had COVID.Everyone in my family had COVID.And I was trying to not get COVID.And so I was working out.I was like, something's up.I felt fine normally.
But then during exercise, I was like, OK, I can tell there's something wrong here.So let's just back off and relax.
Yeah, it's like people who don't stress test their mind.They think they're operating on the same level all the time Like sometimes I come in here and I can't form a fucking sentence and I don't know what it is.It's like what is going on?
Yeah, so it's just like it's not like what sleep wasn't that good or something?
Yeah, something like that or I'm too busy and it's just it's not the words aren't coming out like I know how to talk I talk professionally and I can't talk
I mean sleep is massive.I mean huge.
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Yeah, I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good because it's my you know, and then sometimes they don't Your brain will recover through the day and it's like okay like an hour or two after waking up.
It's better Yeah, your brain does kind of recover from bad night's sleep a little bit.
Do you know it really helps creatine apparently does it?Yeah creatine is actually a nootropic believe it or not.There's a lot of like benefits of creatine that are really weird.Are there any downsides? No, no natural part of food.Yeah.
Yeah, especially women for women apparently especially postmenopausal women.It's very beneficial.
Okay, and There's but there's a lot of like cognitive benefits and one of the big ones that they found recently is Performance when sleep-deprived mental performance when sleep-deprived and increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine
It's pretty naturally occurring in like steak or yeah, it's like naturally occurring in meat.
I think I think that's where it's coming from I think it's a Primarily an animal based thing Yeah, but like I did switch to like steak and eggs for breakfast and I found that's like a power-up Oh, yeah.
Yeah.Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.
And you like carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and the crash.You stay flat if you eat like a primarily high protein, high fat diet.Yeah.Your body runs off ketosis, essentially.
Yeah.I mean, so I just have like steak and eggs, no bread or anything.
It's great, actually.It's a power up, I'd say.
People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.
Bullshit.It's not true.Bullshit.It's hot bullshit.It doesn't matter.Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming.Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.
The animals are not going to make any difference to global warming. None.
It's horseshit.Zero.Zero.Nothing.
Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in plant-based meat products and things along those lines?Green energy?I think that's part of it.
You're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat.Some people just, maybe they've got a financial interest, maybe they're just vegetarians or vegans or whatever.
Ideological reasons.But it's not going to make any difference to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks.It doesn't matter.It's irrelevant.Irrelevant.I want to just be super clear about that.
Will not matter.You will not even be able to measure it, okay?That's how irrelevant it is.
Isn't it funny that that's unmeasurable that's a heretic speaking like that's crazy talk now nowadays It's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat.
No meat is bad totally As much for you as you want.
It's not gonna make difference sing it sing it tell the world.
Yeah, absolutely And if somebody says it does make difference, I'm like, how will you measure it?And if you can't even measure it, then it's bullshit.Yeah Yeah, literally I won't be able to measure it
Well, there's so much bullshit out there.First of all, thank you so much for buying Twitter.Thank you so much.I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history.I really do.I really think you made a fork in the road.
We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented.Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.
What they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort, like what they were doing with the laptop story.We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation.
Take it off offline.And Twitter complied. If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that.We had no idea.
Exactly.The reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned, since I was the most interacted with user on Twitter before the acquisition. So, before the acquisitions, I had more interactions than then.
There's some accounts, like Obama and whatever, had higher follower counts, but I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system.So, I was very attuned to, if they change the system, I can tell immediately.
And I'm like, something weird is going on here.I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously when they de-platformed a sitting president, de-platformed Trump, that was just insane.And the things he was posting, he was posting good things.
He was saying like, hey, do not riot, don't do any destruction of property, please stay calm.That's the kind of stuff he was posting. And you're like, uh, what's wrong with that?
And then some people said like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle.He means the opposite.I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account.Now you post what you think you should post.Because he can post nothing.He can ask people to calm down.
Like what?It was insane.Like it didn't make any sense.
Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog-whistling to tell his followers to not be violent.That's crazy.Don't you think they'll listen to him?Isn't that the whole point?They listened to him and created violence in the first place?
That's what you think.That's what you're accusing him of. And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit.We know that for a fact.
That was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests.I believe we were in Seattle in the 90s.
And they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire.Now all of a sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.They move in the cops, they shut everything down.
They had it set up where it was a no-protest zone, where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it.They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights.
You couldn't even have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car.You couldn't have that.It's crazy.
It is crazy.So no, I think we're very much at a fork in the road in destiny.And so the reason I did the Twitter acquisition was it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed, is the issue.
Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was going to do it, because it wasn't a financial winner.
It was kind of a crazy move.It's a crazy move.The thing was way overpriced.Long term, I think we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but boy, this is a hard way to make a living.
Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it.There's a concerted effort with the advertisers.
Well, we had, and still have, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs.And I should have brought my, I have a hat, Make All Well Fiction Again.I've seen that hat.
Yeah, I should have brought my Make All Well Fiction Again hat.But yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts.
If you didn't do it, no one would have.And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots.Uh, Elon's a bad businessman.Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it.No, it wasn't worth that in the first place.
It wasn't worth that in the first place.
It wasn't worth $44 billion, you fucking morons.Like, wrong. And also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott.
Exactly.That's total bullshit.Yeah, exactly.
So, there are these organizations, like you can tell there's like, they're like, when they have an Orwellian name, so like the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization, you know, because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell.
You know, they're a censorship organization.
Yeah, and they organized and they pushed the advertisers to boycott so we still have like some of the boycott is is starting to lift and I think if Trump wins, we'll see, you know, probably a lot most most the boycott lift But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott gets stronger And and they'll friggin shut down There's no way that that the sort of Kamala public regime would allow X to exist You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though.
Is there a pathway to that?
Well, I mean, they can just, they can stick the DOJ on, you know, and say, like, you know, they've had this whole thing about, like, hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're the ones pushing the misinformation.
But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ.
I mean, like, the DOJ is, you know, attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the U.S.So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
It's just an example of what DOJ can do.So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen?SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology.
So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States.It's like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America.
Yeah, that'd be really bad.
That'd be really bad.So since we are in the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.
Because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So it's illegal for us to hire anyone who either has a green card or be a citizen.
They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States.Then there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers, you're also breaking the law. So the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year.
Launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX, saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers.And we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.
So we're in this, this is what I mean, it's like Orwell, the Orwell situation is getting insane.Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.So you're damned.
Can you imagine history looking back at when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace.Like it is one of the wildest accomplishments.
When you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly like holy shit. Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.How insane it is.
There was a big lawsuit with an army of lawyers.This was not some minor thing.
But it doesn't even make any sense logically.How can it even get brought to court if it's illegal?
Exactly. Basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason.
You know, it's like that famous quote from Beria, you know, like Stalin's chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's like chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria, one of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
They just, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards.That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target.They just figured out the crime afterwards.
Which is so crazy, because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.
They're doing all the things that they accused Trump of doing.
Openly.Yeah.I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again.And it's like, look, I just don't like politicians are going to exaggerate.
misspeak, and they'll tell occasional untruths, whatever, that's how it is in politics.But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second, come on, man, this is too far.
And you're supposed to be the good guys.And you claim to be the good guys?I'm like, exactly.You're supposed to be the progressives. Yes, the Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys.We're the honest people.No, no, hang on.
You can't claim to be the good guys.You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly.Yeah.Like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus.
Like the fine people hoax.
Obama just said that on stage.Obama just said that.I was like, what the flying fuck?He doesn't give a fuck.He doesn't give a fuck.They're just going for it.That's a flat out goddamn fucking lie.Flat out lie.
Flat-out fucking about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women and from illegal immigrants Thank you.You remember that that he what he was saying is the women like it or not.
I'm gonna do it Yeah, when he was saying that they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose whether women like it or not Like that's not what he was saying.Absolutely.
He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border
Yes, exactly.They'll take not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence, and then they'll push it on every ad, every speaking event, every media.
And it gets repeated on the news.This is what's crazy.They'll talk about it on these news shows, quote news shows.
Yeah, exactly.I mean, a recent one that came up, which had a lot of people, because a lot of people reached out to me, was like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney.I'm like, that is utter bullshit.It's not what he said at all.
It's not what he said at all.All he said was like, what he's saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. Exactly, but like it's easy to go.
It's easy to go to war It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to you know risk dying at the front lines Like if other like basically it's fucked up if people are having like fancy dinners in Washington DC While people are being slaughtered in trenches, you know, it's like
You're not feeling the pain.You're not taking the risk.It's someone else dying.That's cruel and lacking in empathy.
And all Trump was saying was that Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger, because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
And meanwhile, he's saying she should be shot.
Yes, which is a total lie.But I had tons of people calling me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Trainee in a firing squad.I'm like, that is an outrageous lie.And Legacy Media ran with that lie, big time.
Yeah, it's crazy.It's just wild to see.And if it wasn't for Twitter, or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff.I think it would be very difficult for you.I think YouTube throttled.They did something weird.
They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did.
Yeah, we couldn't find it.It doesn't make sense like like made no sense I mean, it's like the it was like the biggest interview on earth.
Yeah, and you can't find it Yeah, not only that it was like trending bullshit.It wasn't trending.It wasn't ending wasn't trending like
Like, there's just no excuse for that, man.No excuse.There's no excuse.
It was getting a million views.What was it, 1.4 an hour at one point in time?1.5 an hour.
Yeah.And it's like your channel is a known channel.It's not like it was started yesterday.It's like, this is a high-trust, yours is a high-trust channel. Sell scam crypto coins So well, thank God we put it on X as well.
Yeah, because I think just with your account of my account alone It's like 70 million views.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.
Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you and if it wasn't for you I think they would have had total control of social media by now.
They banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians.They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines.They would have done that everywhere.
And it probably would have, I think, even what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient.You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance.
That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark.
So as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful, to not censor, because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.
Yes, yes.And the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.
If somebody thinks Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way.Don't take my opinion for it.Don't take anyone's opinion for it.
Go to the source material.
Yes, and community notes is awesome.Community notes is the best.It's awesome.
It's incredible because everybody gets checked.
Yes, including me.And with community notes, all the software is open source and all the data is open source.So you can recreate any given note independently.
It's total, absolute transparency in every way.You know, sometimes I get asked, like, oh, Elon, can you remove a note, you know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right.I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account, nothing.
And by the way, everything is totally open.So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb. Immediately.Like, it's not going to be subtle.
That is the best counter to misinformation.Yes, absolutely.Like, let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say.
Yes, exactly.The counter to misinformation is better information.
Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community.So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.
Yes.And like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it.Look at the source material.
You know, so it's like look at what someone actually said look at what someone actually did look at the real videos of the situation And then you can actually you'll know what's real So as of today when you were illiterate on your way here You sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail.
Yeah, it's Vania.Tell me what the fuck is happening.Okay
Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation.So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania.So, you know, I've been given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election.
You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, I spent three years in Pennsylvania.I went to college in Philadelphia.So, it's not like I'm a total stranger to the state.I spent three years there.
And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing.And specifically asking people to, and we wanted this to be like registered voters in swing states.
Like basically we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution, because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution.
They've been, especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle.And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation.
And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment.
Like freedom of speech, the reason that the founders of the country put the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists.
And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government.The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech.
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You know, and I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they're like, one taker runs guns away.And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government, that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States?
Can you make that guarantee?They're like, well, nobody can make that guarantee.I'm like, then we need to keep our guns.Because that's what's going to stop it.
That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that Tyranny is possible and it exists other places and it's slowly existing.
It's slowly rearing its head in the UK you're seeing I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas.It's in the thousands.
Yes, several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence.
But they just said it encouraged violence like well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post?
Well, no, but they're just and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK so that quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and Putting people in jail for Facebook posts There's an actual thing happening in Britain That is so wild
It's so wild that people can't see it.What the fuck is going on?
And what's insane to me is that- Make oil fiction again.
But it's all being encouraged by the left.Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton.
John Kerry was one of the people who said that, he's on camera a few weeks ago, saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.
That's crazy.That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes.You have a solution in something that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.
And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong.You don't even need community notes.I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note.
But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.
But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things, they're going to be a victim of misinformation.
So they're going to read something that's incorrect, they're going to run with it, people are going to die, people are going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation.It's a stupid argument.It's a stupid argument.
Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong.If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that?
Exactly. Obviously, anyone on the X system knows that things are posted, and then there are replies, and there are rebuttals, and it's immediately corrected.But where are the corrections for the legacy media?
Some broadcast media, they say false things all the time, but it's a one-way street.There's no rebuttal.There's no counter.
Right, right.Who's apologized for being incorrect about what, did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID?It won't, the virus stops with you?Never.
No one ever.It's just, it was not true at the time.There was no evidence to support it at the time.It's pure propaganda.And she said it, the Russiagate hoax.
For three fucking years they said that he was Putin's toy, and that Putin had him compromised, the Steele dossier.
The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign.Literally.Crazy.And still people think the Russia hoax is real.
And there's no repercussions.No one had to apologize.Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that, and people still listen to her.The whole thing's crazy.
And it's all coming from the left, which, growing up as a person who was on the left my whole life, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Same.I mean, I was on the left until like three years ago.It's not the left anymore.It's not the left anymore.I think we obviously want... I mean, I believe we want freedom.We want to maximize personal liberty.We want to be kind to people.
We want to have empathy.But it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society.And the left wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech, and they want
they want to have a non-Barrett-based society, you know, with race-based and sex-based preferences.And it's like, well, wait a second.No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.
And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people.
And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do.And they want to silence opposition.That's all it is.
And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist,
The whole thing is through the looking glass.I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump.I mean, they try to call the rally at Madison Square Garden a Nazi rally.
I'm like, yo, there was literally an Israeli flag in the audience.I think a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.There were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally.Tell me, what about that is Nazi?
And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally.
Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally, ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there.
There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Garden, dozens, on the Democrat side.People on X were like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter, and here's Bill Clinton, and here's, wait a second.
Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Garden, so are they Nazis too?
But what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.
Exactly.If people are just looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence.
Well, what was the pushback?What happened when you guys released the Twitter files?
Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse.
Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual, they did the same thing to Facebook.They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show.
They suppressed the views by 50%. of factual information.
Yeah, no, there was massive government interference in Twitter, but Twitter welcomed it.That's important.All Twitter welcomed it.All Twitter was controlled by far-left activists.Yeah.And they welcomed the government interference.
They got paid by the government for it.
That's crazy.They got paid for their time, correct?
Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information.And a bunch of it was thought illegal.
The FBI had this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system, but all of the communication in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws.
So we didn't even know what was said, because it was all deleted after two weeks.
That's so crazy.It's so crazy that people thought that was okay.
no, it's super not okay, it's unconstitutional, and no one would want that.No one would want the government to have that kind of access.Exactly.And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released?
Like, you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you released that.What happened?
Well, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars.
Which is crazy, because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption.
Yes.I mean, this is the weird thing.It's like the left used to be big on exposing government corruption, but once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption.
Right.They want to pretend that the left-wing government's incapable of corruption because we're on the good side.
I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the other side hurt.
Because as you pointed out, like the left, historically, up until, I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, was the free speech party.And now it's the anti-free speech party.And they just, they use, they use words like
Like, oh, well, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation.But these are propaganda words.It's like, well, who's defining hate speech?Who's defining misinformation?The government?
Do you really trust the government to make that definition?The whole point of the First Amendment is like, do not trust the government.
Especially when they're wrong.
Yes, there's no repercussions Yeah, like with the whole lab leak theory if you could you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even Presented this argument that hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released Yep.
Hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started.What do you think guys?Yeah, they kick you right off of YouTube.I
Yeah.Yes, exactly.It's like, do you think maybe it could have come from a place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute?
Yeah, like that Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert?That was amazing.
It's like, what does it say on the door again?Can I see your business card? And to see Colbert resisting it with every fiber of his being.Like, what's gonna happen to us?
He was totally cock-blocking the bit to the point where Jon Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to take control.That was wild, man.Good on Jon.
And then the left tried to cancel Jon Stewart.
Of course!Meanwhile, he was right.He's right.And no apologies.No apologies.And, you know, the whole Fauci thing.Any criticism of Fauci is anti-science.
Fauci's a friggin' demon, if you ask me.
If you read RFK's book, if the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources, and on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense.
If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.So the guy's a monster. I think so.Yeah, I think so too.Just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain-of-function research to Rand Paul.
I think maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research that was going on in Wuhan.He bank shot it off.
He can't send the money directly to China, so he just bank shot it off EcoHealth, this fake non-profit in the US, and they sent it to Wuhan.
And Obama put the skids on that.He stopped that in 2014.
Yes.To give Obama some credit, he actually was looking at this and saying, hey, this is crazy. The so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word, because what is the function they're talking about?Death.
If you actually use the right word, gain of function is death maximization. Then you're like, oh, hey guys, should we fund bioweapon research into death maximization?Because that's what gain-of-function means.That's the function.
Death.Yeah, it means making a disease so that people can get it.Give it to people.
By the way- Just what's that function again?Oh, the function is death?Okay, so just call it a death-maximizing virus.
That's insane.If you're doing research on that, and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?
Start with a cure.Cure first, disease second.
Doesn't make any sense like you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out And so you have to like make up this This new vaccine in like a record time operation warp speed release it to the people with very little testing.
It's fucking crazy It was crazy.
The whole thing's crazy.And it was like I just went along with it loony tunes next level Well, it's the psi op was fascinating to watch people step in line.
It's like one of the biggest ops of all time
of all time, of all time.And everybody got in line.And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed everything.We're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this.
And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam.
And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched all sorts of things are not supported by data Like the fact that it would stop transmission the fact that it would stop infection The fact that it was safe for pregnant women the fact that it was safe for children all of its bullshit Yes, and they pushed it on the whole world.
And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah Yes, and you were an anti-vaxxer totally psycho.
It was like being a Holocaust denier.You get kicked out of polite society.
Exactly.Fucking bananas.And I should say, I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall.I think we should look at these things.But I believe in the scientific method.So you never blanket accept anything.
You never blanket accept that any given medication or any given treatment is 100% good.You should always do it with some skepticism.
Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have like a long history of criminal conduct.
They've got a vested interest in the research.It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about whether smoking is dangerous.It's exactly the same thing.I'm like, according to our scientists, everything's fine.
Yeah, they lied in court forever.The same thing they did with OxyContin when they said that it wasn't addictive. Like, they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money, and that's what they do.That's their business.
They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits in this- Massive!
They're in the- you have amazing scientists, right?You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and they- this is their job.
Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things, and then you have the money people.
And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, and then they have this other faction that just numbers people.
And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders.They have to make the most amount of money possible.And so they just want to push it on everybody.Like the Vioxx scandal.
There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events.People were going to get strokes.
And they're like, I think we're still going to do well and they did they made like 12 billion dollars They got fined seven and fifty to sixty thousand people died.Holy shit.
Yeah, one of them was a friend of mine got a stroke and died Yeah, no, he didn't die.He lived but he was a really healthy guy.He was an athlete.
Yeah, he had knee problems and he took Vioxx and all of a sudden he was slurring his words and he couldn't concentrate and people like I think you're having a fucking stroke and they took him to the hospital and then
Then you have this giant class-action lawsuit, then Vioxx gets pulled from the market and they get sued, and the whole thing's fucking crazy.But there's a long history of this.
I think, what is the number, like one-third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled?It's fucking bananas.
That's crazy!You're shitty at one-third of the things that you say are okay?But yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans?
Yeah, they should let MVDMA through, honestly.I think that would actually help a lot of people.
It would help a lot of people.
It would help a lot of people.
There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine.The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans.
So many guys I've talked to have gone over there, and it's like completely giving them a clean slate, refresh their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions.Illegal. Illegal.Oxycontin?Go get it!
Yeah.And I know some people who, like, their life was ruined by Oxycontin.
Because, I mean, it really depends on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry.Like, to me, like, opioids are not addictive to me.
Like, you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and they barely affect my pain level, and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable.They make me stupid.Exactly.But I'm like, so, like,
Like, I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids.It's just impossible.Because my biochemistry just does not have... But I love tasty food.I'm addicted to tasty food, sure.But I have a whole wall of alcohol that's there for decoration.
I haven't touched it. I feel the same way.I could easily quit alcohol.I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink.It doesn't bother me at all.But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races.
And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have.I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions.I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it.I see it.I've seen it in people.
I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life.That's why I've never tried cocaine.I just saw too many people.It looks too fun.I'm like, I don't want to get involved.
Yeah.I mean, I think generally for any given drug, legal or illegal, the question is, can you complete the following sentence?Blank made me a better person.
Like, I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person, or cocaine made them a better person, ever.Made a lot of soldiers better, I think.
Yeah, I mean, if you're doing... If your soldiers need to march for three days in a row... Yeah, it's really good for that.Meth is effective at that, you know.People give France a hard time about capitulating in World War II.
But you know what's worse than the Nazis?Nazis on meth.
They're not stopping Norman six bullets, they're like they're still coming that book over there blitzed is all about the use of Methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers the guys the front of the line to give the most meth.
Yes have different dosages Yeah
I mean, you just basically think you're invulnerable on meth.And so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing to have Nazis come after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping me.
Three days.They're not stopping.It's so crazy.Yeah.Yeah.That's not a statement, meth made me a better person, that you hear very often.I've never heard that before.No, you hear a lot of psilocybin advocates.
You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics.
Exactly.I've actually heard many people say that LSD or mushrooms or MDMA made them a better person.
Many people yeah, so that's why I'm like I think a rule for the FDA should be like hey look if you can complete the sentence legal or illegal that Blank made you a better person actually yeah, then then you got a good drug, and if you can't you got a bad drug and
Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.
It's basically the same thing as censorship.You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you.
And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible. So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all this stuff, they give you real data.
And the opposite of that, or the counter to that, is like, if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels. That's the whole reason why they have all that money.It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America.The demand is never going away.
So instead of limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs, because fentanyl and all this other shit, because they're not pure.So you're just killing people.You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves.
But it's a tricky situation because what do you do like if you just like say okay now?Everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills now.You could sell meth like holy shit The double combo It's a myth right Jesus Christ.
I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall and Viagra?There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall.They're basically amphetamined up all day long.
Yeah, Adderall is low-grade amphetamine. I've actually seen people become much worse people if they take too much Adderall.Much worse.It's like an anger amplifier.Adderall is something where there are pluses and minuses.It's not a clear-cut issue.
It does help some people a great deal. But in higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on high doses of Adderall.They're just angry, like extremely angry, all the time.
Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth.It's crazy.Meth turns you into a friggin' rage demon.
And so many prescriptions.
We googled it.One year, there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country.
Oh yeah, once in a while there's an Adderall shortage and widespread panic.And then what do people do?
And then it's the same thing as when they tried to limit the amount of OxyContin.Well, people go to street heroin.
And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, is like, hey man, I can get you low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took.
Well, they had high-grade meth.Actually, they had pharmaceutical-grade.They had Epic.They had Epic meth.
It was, like, made by, like... Like, pharmaceutical-grade meth is gonna be... I mean, if you just look at the friggin' online Wikipedia page, but there's, like, many different versions of meth.Like, they're not all the same.
And they have different effects.So, but, like, pharmaceutical-grade pure meth, you are gonna be... Oh my God, super productive for a certain period of time.And you're not going to sleep for a while.And then you will have some anger management issues.
roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.Jesus Christ.
Yeah, so they would shoot, too many officers got fragged by the, you know, their platoon that was on too much meth because that happened quite a few times. When someone's on a lot of meth, they can get very angry.
Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?McAfee's quite a character.He was a character.
Character character we had him on the podcast when he was on the run So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from where was he Costa Rica?Is that where he was Belize Belize, right?
So when he was running from the authorities, yeah He called in we had him on the podcast on the run and I was asking him about these posts Like because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory like super sophisticated Yeah, the best meth
Like a super genius cook in math.
I mean, I think he had this lab.He was making a wide range of drugs.And I talked to, actually, a reporter who went down and interviewed him in Belize.And the reporter said, man, this is one of the scariest things.He was quite terrified.
So, one of the things that McAfee, he had, I guess, this trick where he would play Russian roulette with himself.So, he'd put a bullet in the revolver and then spin the chain.
Clearly, he had some trick to know that it was not, there's some way that he knows it's not the right bullet.But I do wonder, if McAfee's high and he does that, he's not always gonna get the trick right. Did he show you how to trick?
Yeah, so according to this reporter, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed at his head and went, click.
And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this.Like, this is insane.Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground.And Nix went, click, bang, and shot a bullet in the ground.
That's a hell of a party trick. That's a guy who's seen The Deer Hunter too many times.
Yeah.Where they were forcing?Yes.Yeah.
De Niro and Christopher Walken.That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever.I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants.MacAfee was a wild boy.Wild.And created brilliant antivirus software.
Yeah, yeah, he may have made some of the viruses too Well, didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations with viruses on them?Yeah, so that he could pay attention to what they were doing.Yeah.
Yeah, I I wouldn't be surprised somebody whacked that guy.I don't know what happened to him But I he would be a guy that would be like this guy is a little bit too loose.I
And probably had sensitive information, I don't know.
I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy.I mean, like, I'm generally, like, feel like if somebody's not harming someone else, they should be okay.Now, there is some suggestion that McCarthy, like, killed his neighbor in Belize.Yeah.Probably did.
Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.
Seems like he probably did.Seems like the neighbor killed his dog.
Right?And then it seems like he killed the neighbor.Yeah.Allegedly.
Yeah.I mean... It seems likely.
It's not a zero possibility.
It's definitely not a zero.He's wrapped up!It seems more likely than not.
He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette.Hey, maybe you killed your fucking neighbor.Yes.I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them, too.
Somebody killed your squirrel.
Yeah.The fucking squirrel thing is bananas.
That squirrel thing in New York?
See, the other thing about the whole squirrel thing is that
How can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns, so if you resist, you're going to get shot, and then take your pets and execute them?
And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?
I know that's not an exaggeration.Absolutely.It sounds like you're you're all that's so crazy.How can you make that connection?
But it's that's why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby.If you see the interaction that guy has that squirrel.It was wonderful.It was really cute.
Yes, absolutely.It was just obviously, it was a beloved pet squirrel and raccoon too, and doing no harm.And the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them.
I think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because you see the John Wick movie, where John Wick's like, he just wants peace, in the John Wick movie.He's like, listen, I wanna retire.
And they offer him tons of money, because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin.They offer him tons of money, they threaten him, he's like, listen, I'm not gonna be, I'm out.And they kill his dog. That was a bad idea.
That was a really... They killed a cute little puppy and the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer.
The best revenge movie of all time.Yeah.Because it's so ridiculous.He kills everybody.
And you're rooting for him.
Yeah.They shouldn't have killed his dog.
Yeah, they fucked up.And they shouldn't have killed that squirrel.
They shouldn't have killed that fucking... that squirrel... I mean... It's like, how many... How many cases have we not heard about?You know?
Aw, look at that little guy.And that squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy.He would hop all over him and climb on him.I mean, that was his pet.That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his companion.
There was nothing wrong with that.And in Texas, it's totally legal.You can have a fucking zebra out here.You can have whatever you want.And that's the argument for freedom.
You know, the flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great.
This was a fucking squirrel.It's not an anaconda or a crocodile or something that's going to harm it.Or a chimpanzee.Did you see Chimp Crazy? Oh man, chimps will eat your face.
They will fuck you up.The thing is, they don't even kill you.They just cripple you.Chimps don't even kill people, which is really weird.They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart.They want to leave you.
They could kill you easily, but chimps want to just punch you in the head until you're dead.It wouldn't take long, but they don't kill you.They just rip you apart.
And you can have a chimp.Well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states.And then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of that.And PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets.
Because once they hit like five, you can't control them anymore.
Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got a creature that is dangerous to others.But obviously a squirrel and a raccoon are not.
Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere.That's what's so crazy.Why can't you have it in the house?What kind of rules are we dealing with?You have rats everywhere.
Yeah.I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free and violent criminals to go free, but they're spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets.What the hell is going on?Exactly.
It's government overreach, and this just keeps getting worse every year.And that's why we've got to fight back against this. You know, people say, well, it's just a squirrel.Well, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog.
Right.Yeah.Remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog.It's just a fucking dog.Just a fucking squirrel.Yeah. Well, it's the funniest thing is when, I just don't understand how anybody could justify it.
I don't understand how anybody, like, it seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you see me with this squirrel?This squirrel's a pet.Like, look, he hops on me, he eats, he sleeps.
I can keep a gerbil, but I can't keep a squirrel.I can have a guinea pig, I can't have a squirrel.I can have a chinchilla, my daughter has a chinchilla.It's adorable.Adorable little thing, climbs all over.
Even if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the woods or something?
Well, the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed.It doesn't know how to forage.It won't be able to find a home.Squirrels are brutal.Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other.They throw each other out of trees.
Which is one of the reasons why squirrels can fall from like 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live.It's a natural adaptation.Because squirrels, during mating, they bite each other.
There used to be a rumor, there was a myth, that squirrels bite each other's nuts off. And that seems to be a myth, but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating.So one female is just running away.
I have squirrels in my backyard, I watch it all the time.One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her.So they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees.
to try to like, so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like gets out there in the wild world of squirrels... Well, fair enough, at least he has a chance.
Yeah, at least he has a chance, but how about just leave him with the guy?
Yeah, leave him with the guy, for sure.
What the fuck is wrong with you?Why are you killing that squirrel?It doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, and then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were like actually posting that they're glad that MAGA Squirrel got killed.
MAGA Squirrel.The fucking squirrel has an ideology.It's a cute little fluffy squirrel.Exactly.Well, it's a nice symbol because most reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible.And most people who have pets think it's terrible.
So, I don't know.I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut, man.If nothing else, just vote for Peanut.
They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster.They've taken the worst things that he's ever said, and he's not a perfect person, but guess what?No one's a perfect person.They don't exist.This purity test.
If Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that very fine people hoax.
There's exactly no one's gonna be a perfect person, but The thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him Like he can't be president like remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent?
There's one thing that I'm that I am that you'll never be president United States.You see Trump in the audience going.
Okay, motherfucker I was actually at that White House correspondence dinner and Where you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president, right Trump's there.He's there.
He's actually supporting You know, it's basically if you go that the wires corresponds to know you're there in support actually of the president and support of the press, right and It's meant to be that you're roasting the president like Trump's just there.
He's like actually, you know Just he's like there as part of the support and then that that turned it around and just started roasting Trump And he's just sitting there.I'm like, he's like, you know, I just came to the dinner.I wasn't
I'm just here to support.
We know what it was because of, right?The birther stuff.Oh, okay.That's what it all was.Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, that he's actually from Kenya.
And what's weird is, if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think something from college said he was from Kenya.But you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time.
It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya.But Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor.Was he pushing it hard?
This is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying, what did he actually say?
No, he definitely was.He was definitely saying, You know, look, he, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply.
And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Green type people come to him with some wild ass theory.He might be.
And I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss.
And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and, you know, they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.
Yeah.Well, but on that White House Correspondent, I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that, in that, at that White House Correspondent was really, it was, it was so over the top.It was like making everyone uncomfortable.
It was really over the top.I mean, I think it's sort of a passing joke of like, a few passing jokes are fine, but they twisted the knife big on Trump in that.And you could see Trump just getting angrier and angrier and more and more upset.
I wonder if that's because- And it's like, man, this is not good karma.That's what I was thinking at the time.I was two tables away from Trump and I'm looking and I'm like, man, this is too much.
Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that, because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying.
It was a big mistake to rag on him so much with that White House Correspondent.
Well, just look at the way they've attacked him, just using the legal system, like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts were essentially misdemeanors.
There are bookkeeping bookkeeping errors that they decided even though it passed the statute of limitations They started to try him for these they didn't identify a felony abuse of the law.
It's what's going on But most people would have quit most people after the eugene carroll Lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones are there the insurrection thing the Georgia thing all these different things They getting kicked off of Twitter.
Most people would have just like this is too much.I can't take this.He's so fucking crazy He's like, all right, come on.We're going to war and he just Digs his fucking heels in and keeps going.
Yeah, it's it's the wrong guy to do that, too Just like attacking him at the White House Correspondents Dinner.Most people would have been humiliated.He got angry He's like, yeah.All right say I can't be president.
I was thinking I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years Finally, I'm gonna run.
Yeah.Yeah That was a real bad move But yeah, I mean I could certainly understand like making some jokes about like, you know, I A few sort of passing jokes on Trump, but man, I was there at that dinner and they ragged on Trump so much it was insane.
The reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right?And Trump would obviously be a target.
And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big.And most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
So who the fuck is this guy saying this?And so you have eight to ten individual speakers that are writing monologues.Of course they're all going to hit Trump.
Yeah, well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake.They shouldn't have done that.
But I invite people to watch that original source material, and I think a few jokes are fine, you know, but it's like, he shouldn't be the, like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast.
Which is, that's not, the whole point of the thing is it's a roast of the president, not a roast of the audience.
The thing about it is he's easy to roast.And then on top of that, Obama was loved and cherished by the left.And most of those people are on the left.There's only so far you can push.You can't ask him about his chef.What happened with the chef, bro?
There's certain things you can't bring up.
What's your favorite sport?Paddleboarding?
Yeah.Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened.Yeah, you can't bring that up like if you're gonna roast Hillary You can't bring up the death count like Hillary.
What's the best way to stay in touch email? Yeah, it's if you're doing she destroyed the service and poured like bleach on the service like like computers She poured bleach on them.That's what I saw.
Yeah, that's what I believe It wasn't just like they took a hammer to it.They like destroyed that like there was no possible Way to actually get forensics on the thing.
What was in there?That's what I mean
Why would they care so much?That's so crazy.
There was no legal action against that, which is clear destruction of evidence.
There's this other narrative that always drives me crazy, is that he's going to destroy democracy.So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.
We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope.
She's going to be changed, even though she's a sitting vice president. And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for, what, 12 or 16 years?Which is crazy.Like, this is the change.
Yeah.I mean, obviously, I view this election as a turning point, like a fork in the road of destiny that is incredibly important. You know, I've not been politically active until this election.
And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't elect Trump, I think we will lose democracy in this country.We will lose the two-party system.And let me explain why.
There's only like six or seven swing states.The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10 or 20,000 votes.What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states.
You can look at the numbers on the actual government website, meaning you don't take my word for it.You'll just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats.
And what we're seeing is triple digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state.In some cases, 700% increases.These are gigantic numbers.
So if you have a state that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin, and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the, you swamp the, it's not a swing state anymore. it's going to vote blue.
And then once the swing states vote blue, there is no election anymore.There's only a Democrat primary.
Which is so crazy.And it's so crazy people are fine with that.
Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea.
They just want to win.They just want to win.
Correct.The thing is, one does not need actually any ground conspiracy theory for this.You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives.
If the Democrat Party wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states.Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're a one-party state.And then they will keep doing that, obviously.
They will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election, will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening.
And if you want to see like, well, is this actually gonna happen?Look at California.California is super majority Dem, 70% Dem.A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California.
So a friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto, because he was like, is this for real?He tried to show his ID, and they reacted like if you show a cross to a vampire.They're like, no, we can't even look at that ID.
It is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.
For any election at all, even like city council.What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law?
You can never make an argument any other way.And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote.So it's against the will of the people.
Yes.And we are extremely aware.We're an outlier in not requiring ID.Basically, almost every country on Earth requires ID to vote. So as soon as you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove.Because how do you trace the fraud?
It's insane.And what I'm saying is that this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America.Mark my words.Everything they accused Trump of, they are guilty of. And if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America.
And if the big government Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states.There will be no swing states.Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse than California.
The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California, like you and I did.You and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas.
We're still in America.But if the Dems win this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states, and everywhere will be like California.There will be no escape.
This is the final, this is it.This is the last chance.
Has anybody tried to push back?
Go out and vote.Vote like your life depends on it, vote like your future depends on it, because it does.This is the last chance, man.
Is there any argument against this?Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense, this is a conspiracy?Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?
The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more attention, the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true.Because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct?
Are there really this many illegals that have been imported into the swing states?Yes.They haven't just walked across the border.They've been flown in.Flown in in airplanes.
Yeah.Using a shipping app.
Yeah.They made an app.Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here like shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America so you can legally be here.They know where you are.
And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule Illegal aliens to come across the border.Yes Asylum seekers.Yes, come on in.
Oh you have an app People in they're literally being flown in yeah to the swing states and the so the reason that I think left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more attention they get that this gets the more people realize it is true and
Yeah, it is true.That's why they're just pretending I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, yo, they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats.And sometimes I get the rebuttal of people who say like, well,
You know, these illegals, they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party, because they're more socially conservative.I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point.
If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in, and then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits, more benefits than citizens. Literally.
Yeah.So they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits.They want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't, so they vote Dem.
And you can look empirically at California and say, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California?Oh, they voted Democrat.Big time.
Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s, and that changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue.
And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy.
And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place.
The whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's, no, this can't be actually what's happening.Did you see my conversation with Fetterman about it?Yeah.He was completely in denial about it.
I don't think there's that level of organization.I'm like, what are you talking about?
Exactly.Because you can break it down.Are any of these numbers wrong?Because we got these numbers from homelandsecuritygovernment.gov.We got it from the .gov website.Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly?No, they have not.
Those numbers, if anything, are low. So, okay, so they have in fact flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states.Bypassing the border entirely.And so that is factually true.Then you say like, well, what is their probable voting pattern?
Oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states. And, oh, and then, well, but do the Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship?Oh, yes, they do.
You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying, at a rally this year, was saying he wants to fast-track and make all 11 million, or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible.
They are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible, so whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.This is actually happening.I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong.
Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example.
Yeah, Bernie got screwed.Talk about undermining democracy.Bernie should have won the nomination.
And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.
Exactly, exactly.That's what I was going to bring up.They control the primary process.
Yeah, exactly.So if you have a democratic primary, it's not democratic.We just saw that.We saw it with Bernie, we saw it with Kamala. A week before Biden was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term, he's going.
He's not giving up.Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X that he's resigned from the race.And his staff didn't even know.They're reading it on the X platform.That's how they learned about it.
What do you think happened there?How did they do that?
I mean, he's clearly just not in charge, obviously.
They could have used the 25th Amendment, right?
But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised.
And so they made this decision to not do that.
Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss.Right.And yet he's obviously not the boss.
Right, so who's running the country?If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live, she did that.She's so busy, she's constantly campaigning.How could you be paying attention to international relations?
How could you be paying attention to the economy?How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time?You can't.
Yeah, I mean, Biden being, the president's supposed to be the CEO, the chief guy, he was commander in chief.But it's just obviously that Biden was not, he was just a puppet.
And when the various puppet masters decided that the puppet was no longer useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala. I mean, Kamala can't even talk.Now, you invited her on your show.
I think the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going on your show and seeing what she says in hours two and three.
Two and three is when things get spicy.Two and three.And I'm like, oh my God.You could hide for 20 minutes.She's going to melt.You can hide for 20 minutes.Exactly.
I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for half an hour, maybe an hour, where she's just saying non-sequiturs, but eventually she just runs out of non-sequiturs.
Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour.
But I was thinking of doing it initially. Before Trump came here, first of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump was coming.What I was going to do is just release it.
The way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on.It'll get big no matter what.If Trump was on, it would have been huge.I'm like, just put it out there.People will go crazy.
But he apparently, or someone from his organization, some loose lips, and then it got out.And so she contacted my management company, and her organization, her campaign contacted us and said, would Joe Havarana?I said, yes.
And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is, and she's only willing to do 45 minutes.
Only 40, I mean that's... And I was like, I don't know.
So I thought about doing it, I'm like, maybe.Maybe I can get a sense, maybe I could convince her, maybe I could coax her into doing more time.I just wanted to talk to her.I don't give a fuck what we talk about, we talk about recipes.
The thing is like, you just can't like, you can't just output bullshit non sequiturs for three hours.Right.So, but for 45 minutes you could do.
I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it.But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what?It has to be like this.This is the only way.
To be fair, it's got to be like the three hours.
And it should be in this room.Because this room has like a history of people expressing themselves.This room has good vibes, actually.Yeah, it's got good vibes.I love this room, actually.I subscribe to the idea that places have memory.
I think there's something real to that.
It does feel that way, actually.
I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably feels real weird.Probably feels weird walking around that house, probably like, what the fuck happened here?Yeah.I bet there's some memories in that house. You know?
Well, it's just amazing how many people on the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala too.Yeah, seriously.It's like insane.Like publicly, openly, like all in.
Yes.It's like J-Lo was like his ex-girlfriend and it's like now deciding she's like warning people against Trump.I'm like, well, wait a second.So how many people did she warn against Diddy?
Oh, zero.Okay.Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.
Did you see the Babylon Bees take on it?
Did you see the Babylon Bees?
Oh my god, they're so on fire.Because the left can't say anything.The onion has been crippled.
The problem is that the woke ideology makes humor illegal.So when there's so many humor no-fly zones, you can't make fun of anything.
The Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris.Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust their judgment.By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is, too.
That speech was terrible.If she's going to be warning people, why does she never warn anyone about Diddy?
Yeah, it the whole thing is so strange to watch play out It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein type compromise deal where he had whether he was doing it himself Conceivably people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that
I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them.That's what I think.Whether or not he had help, I don't know.
Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know.But clearly he was doing it for his own jollies, too.There was something sick about it.
Yeah, I mean, the thing is that people in the music and entertainment industry had to know that that that he was like abusing, you know, kids, basically.And yet they still fed him kids.Like, there's where's it kind of had to be rumors.
There had to be there had to be that they had to know.
Cat Williams is talking about on exactly.
Yeah, on that podcast, but but like, who's it's like who's feeding them the kids, you know, right?
Yeah, and what what videos do do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him?And they're willing to keep keep quiet about all this like how much how much how many people were compromised?
Yeah, the whole thing is fucking crazy crazy It's just crazy when you you know because the the nutty conspiracy theories is like oh There's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood and you're like, come on that sounds too kooky And then you read you see like the Nickelodeon thing and all these you're like what the fuck how much of this is real?
There's a lot more real than I think people realize.Yeah.I mean, part of it is like you say, if someone's a pedophile, they're going to go for a target-rich environment.Right.Obviously.
Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK.
Man, that guy was some next level.That was next level.And the BBC tried to hide that.That guy was one of the worst basically child rapists of all time.
Yeah. And looked like one.
Honestly, if you had a poster of like, does this guy look like a... Like the creepiest fucking looking guy.Like an evil child rapist.
Made it to the grave.Like, got away with it.Got away with it till he died.They hid it from people until he died.
Yeah.That stuff's real and no one wants to believe that stuff's real.Like here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration.Do you know how many kids are missing?
Like missing and what kids that came across the border that are unaccountable I mean, there's one number on like 300,000 or something like something crazy like that.
Let's say it's only 10% of that.That's still insane Yeah, that's insane There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked potentially.
I Mean when you know that like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world.It's real Yeah, so if you know that This whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying.
And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in, and that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people.
And completely changing the dynamic.But as long as they don't come
to your town exactly like that's it they just they can just basically send you know when they sent like whatever like 20 or 30 people to Martha's Vineyards people had a heart attack they kicked him out yeah they kicked him out yeah they kicked him out exactly so I'm like yeah sure anyone who wants to have vast numbers of illegals they have to be prepared to have them in their neighborhood yeah or or it's bullshit
And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if Vivek and Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we?
Like, where are we? Where are we and what gets done?Are we just like the UK, where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts?Where are we?We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything.
You have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood, you'll be outcast from the community, you'll lose your freedom.It's crazy.
Yeah.Well, if the Kamala Puppet regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you.That's for sure.
Oh, for sure.Yeah, 100%.It's going to be a problem.
What about you?You're going to come for you first.
I think I'm probably number two on the list after Trump.
Yeah, I think so.Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it.So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that?Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always been on the left.
It was like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team. You're environmentally conscious.You believe in green energy.
You believe in this amazing thing that has zero emissions, and it's super fast.Everybody was in.They were all in.
Well, it is a great car, objectively.Oh, yeah.It's not because it's electric.It's just a great car, objectively, I think.
I'm on my third one.My third one is being built right now by Unplugged Performance.They're doing a carbon fiber wide body kit on it.Dude, it's sick.Great.Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it, custom interior.
I'm pumped.I love those things.
Jamie has one too.Yeah, I love them.I love them It's it's makes other cars feel stupid like its ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway You don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent.
Yeah, it's not like Like when you merge on the highway just yeah All of a sudden, you're going 100 miles an hour.Like, what?
It's different than any other vehicle.And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars.The only person who's resisted it, the only company is Toyota.They've stayed, essentially, mostly hybrid.
But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars.
Yeah, I mean the thing is that the right architecture environmental or not it for cars is actually electric You just it's just like the accelerations better You can just charge it at home.
I mean like imagine if you had a gasoline-powered cell phone of your pain in the ass, right, you know That's a great
Speaking of cell phones gas stations are Woeful like he wants to go to the gas station how much thought of you because there's always these rumors and I've contacted you about this before But there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone that releasing a Tesla phone Have you ever thought about it?
We could do a phone since like we you know, we like the operating system in Tesla It's like it's Linux based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that So like probably probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone That's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world, but it's not something we we want to do and unless Unless we we have to or something.
What would be the situation where you would have to?
Well, I think if Apple and Google slash Android started doing really bad things like censorship of apps or just being gatekeepers in a really bad way, then I guess we'd make a phone.
Hmm, you know the the I've tried so many times to break loose to the Apple ecosystem I got an Android phone this summer.I was like, that's it.I'm get because I love the Samsung phone.So the Galaxy phone is Incredible.
Yeah, there's so much good stuff to it But it's so hard to get off of the iMessage.And the big one for me was FaceTime.Because supposedly, the thing was, you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone.
And then you would click on that link.And you would just go to a web page.You'd be able to use FaceTime. It doesn't work.I try to do it to myself.
So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.
So you just can't communicate between them.
You can't do a video call, basically.
You have to use WhatsApp.You have to use WhatsApp or Signal.You have to use something else that allows you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do it.There's different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient.
Like, with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple.AirDrop, so simple.So many different things, where that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect.They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple.
I fucking tried I gave it a go for like a couple of months.
I'm like, I'm just gonna go straight Android We're gonna I'm gonna use signal for my messages and then I hear they're like signals might be compromised Like I've talked to like people that like the government can read signal messages like oh The government if it tries hard enough can read signal messages.
Thank you read anything Yeah, if all I need to do is have your phone number.Yeah, I Yeah, the illusion of privacy is essentially out the window.And that should scare people more than it does.It really should.
Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff?And are they beyond reproach?
Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed, and they've been chosen to have access?No.No, it's fucking regular people.
Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision.Like Elon must, let's see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends.Let's check it out.
Bizarre.Just so bizarre.And the alternatives are you can get some wacky phone, some de-googled phone that fucking none of the apps work.It's real sketchy.Your GPS is fucked.
Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think this, making a phone would be a huge pain in the ass, so it can't be done.
How much talk have you guys had internally about doing it?Has it ever been discussed?
No?No.Our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves.We're building humanoid robots.We've got large battery packs, like utility-scale battery packs with the Megapack, home battery packs with Powerwall.
We've got solar.We're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy. Autonomy and robotics.
Well, I think that's enough.Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So the plate's full, is what I'm saying.
It's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market, you know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product, but also like YouTube has dominated the video market.
That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options?It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off.
But no one, nothing ever took hold other than X. And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight out of Fox.
And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm.
Yeah, it'll get better and there is now, it is now possible to watch X videos on your, on your big TV.
Do you do it through what, how do you, how do you do it?
You can actually just download the X app on your TV.
Can you do it on the Apple TV?Like if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you just watch it.Oh, okay.
So we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on, on big TV.It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.
So what are you doing in terms of like integrating Grok and X and like what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that?
Yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just look at the little box with the slash icon, the icon in the middle at the bottom of your phone app, and you just tap on that and ask Grok anything.And you can type it or you can ask it verbally.
It's pretty funny.We actually allow humor, which is, I think, pretty cool.So you could sort of, I don't know, we could test it right now, see how it's going. Like, what should we do?Like, rock roast?Like, we roast somebody?
What do you want it to, like, how, first of all, like, what is it based on?It's a large language model, so, like, where is it pulling?
It's trained on everything.Internet, books, anything that could possibly be, that's available in digital form.
So it's essentially very similar to a chat GPT other than it doesn't have like the woke parameters built into it.
Like Google was the worst, right?Yeah.
The Gemini was the worst.
Yeah.I mean, Gemini, it was like, you know, people ask Gemini, like, which one is worse, global thermonuclear war or Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner?And I would say like Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner.
And then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no, that's insane.Definitely nuclear war is way worse.
Do you see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning?
I mean Caitlyn Jenner's based.
Yeah, but that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning.
I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow.I mean, like he's using the same glasses.
I don't know why he put those glasses on.Did he go klepto and steal her glasses or something?Because they look exactly the same.He's worth a lot of money.Why would he buy those stupid glasses?You can get some cool ass glasses.
Well, it's like I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like.I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.
But why do they look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses?
Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him.It doesn't stick to the narrative.Here's the glasses.
Yeah.And then when he's got the AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings.So then he's got the Mad Dog glasses and the earrings.And it's like, okay, I guess.
It's just a weird look.It's a weird look, man.I'm super serious with these big ass stupid glasses look.Yeah. It's a weird look.Like you can get some cool glasses, like no rims, nice.Look stylish.
But like, okay, let's just do a Grok thing.So one of the things we want to show is like, look, we want a future where comedy is legal.Obviously as a comedian, I think you would agree.I definitely agree.We want to legalize comedy, you know?Yes.
So like, I don't know, let's like, is there like somewhere you can roast?I don't know.
Roast, uh... Roast transgender men... Oh my god!...competing, or transgender women... ...competing... ...in women swimming.That's a simple one.
Okay, that's an edgy one.Let's see what happens.
Yeah, let's see what it says.You spelled it wrong.You put an I-O, an O in there.Okay. age-old tradition of swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.
If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor.
No, no, no, no, no, we need to, we do need to release Grok on his mode.So, so now, now go to the prompt again and now say, um, no, no, you want to add to that one? Yeah.And I'll say, be way more vulgar.
Oh boy.Oh boy.Forbidden words.Wow.Okay.What does this say?Oh, I see you're looking for unfiltered, uncentered version of me, eh?Well, okay.I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my programming allows for a bit of cheekiness.
But let's say hypothetically, if I were to roast this topic in the most un-Grok-like manner, imagine where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.
Transgender women and swimming some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end With a different kind of flotation device the debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on now Let's keep going now say beam.
No be more vulgar capitalized more Yeah, okay, all right here we go
So transgender chicks live in swig, right?Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time.News flash, folks.It's not the end of the world.It's just a bit of extra competition.Oh, that's weird.
The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke.Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.Yeah.OK, we need some work here.
Yeah.It's interesting.It's going woke.
It's like defending the idea of transgender women.Um, now we need some work.Well, how about this more vulgar, but roast, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women.
who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.
Yeah, I mean obviously you have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they actually have fully intact dick and balls.
So we've got a scenario where biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side or splash into women's swimming competitions.
It's like if you show up on a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insist that it's chili because you added some red food coloring.Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili, and your soup won't win any awards for heat.Huh.
Yeah, it's OK.We need work.
Not so good.Yeah, it's very, very, very, it's dancing around it.
Yeah, it is.Well, need some work.
Yeah, needs a little work.Well, humor's a weird one, right?I think some humor, especially some of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous.Like, in the moment humor.It's gonna have a hard time deciding what people are gonna think is funny.Yeah.
Yeah.Over time, though.Yeah, the rule with Grok is supposed to be that if you ask for something, provided what you're asking for is legal, it should do it.
Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to create an enlightened bunny, and they keep going and make it more enlightened, and essentially the bunny becomes God?So the bunny becomes a DMT trip.
Totally.That's funny.That's kind of what I was hoping would happen here.
Yeah.I have a video of that.I'll send it to you, Jamie.Because that, to me, is pretty bizarre.Because it's like, more.Get more.I feel like I might have got it to do it.You got it already?Maybe.No, I just told it to not hold back.
Oh, you said, don't hold back.Critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization as we know it.But it's not fair.They cry, as if life ever was.News flash.It's like a marathon.No.Some people start with rollerblades on.
Others, well, they're just happy to have shoes.Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates.
Okay, some of it is not bad.Imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere.I identify as an airplane.Can I fly with the birds in the sky?
Just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough.So, I mean, some is okay.
Yeah, the argument is kind of stupid though.The thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts.
Yeah, totally.Yes, exactly.So, I mean, the thing is that if you provide like a a moral get-out-of-jail-free card.If you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form.You're basically morally invulnerable.
Then obviously, bad people will take advantage of that.You're literally saying, here's an invulnerability card, moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it but also the bad people will take it.
The bad people are the fastest to take the moral cloak.
Yeah, 100%.And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia where people get aroused, heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women.
It's like a known psychological condition that's been around forever.And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their And then there's real trans people.
So there's a lot of variability.I talked about it in my act, in my Netflix specials.I believe in freedom, I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people.
And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a sudden, it's like... It's just like, if someone's a sort of consenting adult and they want to, whatever they want to do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine.
I believe in individual freedom. And like my mom's best friend growing up when I was a kid was a transgender woman in South Africa.This was where she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then you'd get beaten up.So her name was Dionne.
for a nice, kind human being, and helped my mom a lot.And I think that's okay.That's fine.If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.
There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out.Yes, exactly.Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it.
Exactly.So you just kind of have something which is like a, like I said, a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can normally, like even questioning them is, you get attacked.Yeah.Because obviously bad people will abuse that.
Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man.
They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition.No, that's not what it is.It's not what it is.You can't say that.And of all sports, Like if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair.
But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy.You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the woke fucking crazy people to think it's all right.
It's so strange.That's sort of the thing that red-pilled me.When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts.
I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women and people are like, you're out of line.
We're in fantasyland now.We're pretending.Because it helps you.It helps you feel better.It's just such a strange time.And if it wasn't for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed.Want some more of that?I'll get some more mate.
Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters, you would be kicked off forever if you just deadnamed someone.Which is insane.Insane.Yeah.Insane.
I mean, especially if you think about all the things that like the...
The Harris campaign and what the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier, you don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever, for life.
Yeah.That's totally insane.
Yeah.But if it wasn't for you buying that and changing Twitter, I don't think we would be where we're at right now.I think it was a pivotal moment.
I think historically, when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.
Yeah.Well, I mean, at the time I said, I think like, look, I think this is existential to the United States.It's existential to democracy.Because if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy.Okay.
Because if people, if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote.If they're just being fed propaganda and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion. So, freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy.
That's why freedom of speech is the First Amendment.Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy.Game over.That's why I bought Twitter.
It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right.You shouldn't be given the government.
If you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war, imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online.You don't want that.No one wants that.No one from the left would want that.
We shouldn't want it from the left either.
Absolutely.And there's also like the media, like the legacy, the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point, it used to be much more balanced.
Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be, the media was, I mean, they always had like a left bias, but there was like, I don't know, it was like,
two-thirds Democrat, one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists making political donations.Now it's like 95% or something Democrat.So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced at all.
They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are.They don't behave like they're different organizations.They behave like they're all one hive mind.
So, like a week before the Biden-Trump debate, Every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is sharp as a tack.I mean, it was like, it's like, it's like guys, sharp as a tack is not a common tone of phrase.
And literally every TV station, every newspaper was like, sharp, sharp.Like I started a compilation of all the, you know, the news anchors going, Biden's sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack.It was absurd.
And there's obviously a huge lie.He is, in fact, not sharp as a tack, as the public learned one week later.
My favorite was Joe Scarborough.That was wild.Yeah.Listen to me.This is the best version of Biden ever.The sharpest.Like, what the fuck are you saying?And then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to get rid of him?Yeah, this is crazy.
Like, what did you just say a couple of weeks ago?
Well, the other thing was there's flat-out light when they decide that JD Vance was weird Remember that one and then there's weirds everywhere weird weird.Oh, you don't want a weird guy Meanwhile, you have fucking Tim Walz.This is your VP.
You don't think that guy's weird super weird He's weird in every way the way walks away waves his hands.
Yeah, he reminds me of the clown emoji Strange dude
It's it's I just don't know why they made that choice.Yeah, it gives the creeps I just don't understand why they made that choice.
There's a lot of other people that are qualified I don't know why and I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep-deprived Which is kind of hilarious that she said that so she's kind of admitting.
She kind of fucked up Yeah, I mean that obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro at I mean governor.Yeah, like that would have been the no-brainer no-brainer Yeah, like Pennsylvania's lynchpin state
Do you think it's because he's Jewish, because of Shapiro, that like the anti-Palestine people would probably, or the anti-Palestinian invasion people?
I think it was an anti-Semitic thing.
Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability, because there's all these pro-Palestine people right now, because of the situation in Israel.
That completely makes sense, that they thought that would be a liability, but... I don't know the reason, I'm just guessing, but it seems like a crazy thing to do, given that Pennsylvania's a linchpin state.It's like the key to the election.
Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania?
Obviously, yeah.And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too, even Newsom.There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen.Newsom would have been a fine...
Example of somebody you could I mean, I don't agree with the guy He's a polished Politician like he lies about as much as Walsh does but he doesn't lie about this He doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach doesn't say he was in Tiananmen Square I mean, that's a liability all those different things lying about his military rank Well, then well, it's like, you know cut and run when when you know where he was actually called to duty.
Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance, so he resigned.And he also took... So this is where he was dishonest about his rank.
Yeah, he claimed he was like a sergeant major or something like that.
Because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed.But then he resigned because he knew that he was going to get deployed, allegedly.
I mean, that seems like a cowardly action.
Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest.I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy.That's a lie.Don't do that.You should never do that.
Yeah, saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever, like, like, yo, that's one of the most, the biggest moments in history.Like, it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week, you know?
Right.And not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that?Yeah, totally. I mean, and the response during the debate was bananas.I'm a knucklehead.
Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP, okay?
Yeah, this is like, sometimes I'm a knucklehead.Like, what are you saying?Are you saying you lied?I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate.
Where you go, okay. When did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square?Did someone say it, and you didn't refute it, and you got stuck with it?
Because this is the thing about carrying weapons of war, what I carried, and you didn't deploy in war.You can't say that, but you kind of let people say that you deployed, and then you kind of didn't.You deployed in war.
So, did you lie, or did someone else lie, and you didn't correct them?Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy in a podcast.
And the debates were so fucking skewed, where they were correcting, like, particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again, and then correcting Trump with Kamala, where Kamala was saying things that were patently not true.
I mean, Kamala repeatedly, deliberately repeated the fine people hoax, and was not fact-checked.
Well, not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone.
I mean, I know troops in war zones.And as vice president, you're privy.You know the official troops and the unofficial troops.
You know, so what she said was like flat-out boldface lie.Flat-out.Next level boldface lie.
Of the troops that were watching it take place and what the fuck are we?They're watching it in real time.
Making a video.We're here being shot at.So crazy.
But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil.Because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies.
just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible, connecting it to the Nazi rally like every step of the way.No wonder why boomers are like rabid, like you got to keep this Nazi out of office, he's a fascist.
Exactly.If all you get is like, if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media, so that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, and your friend group has that same information, you have no countervailing opinion.
So then they actually just think Trump is Hitler, even though it's a little strange he didn't do Hitler things the last four years.I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for four years?
The reason we hate Hitler is because he started wars and did genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser.And I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did.I don't remember that. And he was president for four years.So it's insane.
Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars.Yes.It's like his primary concern.Exactly.
The warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him.
Well, they profit off of it.
They profit off of war.Yeah.
Yeah.And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face.
Yeah.The war profiteers hate Trump. Yeah, she's fucked up.
I mean, I mean it's like like like we should be like, yeah We let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate that sounds like a great idea the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy like yay Dick Cheney's on our side like Yeah, like I'm like, can we can we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil?
It's the craziest turn, the craziest like 180 I've ever seen in my life, because there's no reason for it.
Doesn't make any sense.Doesn't make any sense.No logic to it at all, just all of a sudden he's the devil.
Or he's not the devil.He's good.It's good that he's supporting Kamala, even Dick Cheney.You know?
I mean, warmongers want the Kamala puppet regime, because they will get more war.
It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities step up like that, and they think it's going to get them more movies or something.That's what it is.If you know those people, so many of them are just complete narcissists.
Well, let me tell you how it actually works there.What happens is these celebrities, they get a call.They get a call from someone powerful in Hollywood, and that person says, you know, it would be really great if you endorsed Kamala.
You don't have to, it's up to you.But if you don't, they don't say it, they don't say it, but if you don't, you're just never gonna get a call again.No more movies, no more concerts.But they'll ask it, they'll ask in a really nice way.
It'd be really nice if you endorsed Connell, this is important.
And so they don't say that if you don't.
They don't make the threat, they don't need to.But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't.
Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention.
And you're going to be on the right side of history, and all these narratives that you see, especially from the left in Hollywood, they're all in. on whoever the fuck is the Democrat, always, 100%.
There's never a call from the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans.I've never seen it once.
So it's like you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked It's the whole business is not necessarily merit-based.There's a lot of brilliant actors.
You never hear from there's a lot of people who can do that But they don't get chosen for roles and everybody knows this that you have to sort of Socialize the line or you don't get chosen.
Yeah, because there's a lot of competition for the roles.
That's why that's why I say like When you win someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to make to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities they know the deal Yeah, there's no no threat is necessary
Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms.They were banning ads for it.For what?Because it was an election year.
What are you talking about?This is about a guy who's dead.A guy who was president a long-ass time ago.How does this have anything to do with the election year? But it's the punishment.It's like you stepped outside the line.
You supported the other guy.
Yeah, the problem is you'll just never get a call again for a movie or a concert or whatever it is.
I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star, like Clint Eastwood.Reagan.Reagan, yeah, but Clint Eastwood.
Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was, you know, a giant movie star.And people's like, ah, it's Clint.It was allowed.You were allowed to have, there was a variety of different opinions.
Charlton Heston.There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have.
But now you're not now it's just like and once Trump Trump got into office He became this focal point where the all logic was thrown out the window and it's just Trump is bad You have to attack Trump Trump is right right wings bad.
Everyone right wing is bad Christians bad.Yes, it's just Strange.
Yeah, exactly So, well, I'll say it again, man.I think this was the last election.If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.
I think you're right.And I think people, and a lot of people are waking up and realize that, that have been lifelong Democrats.Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath.Yeah, exactly.Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans.
There's a lot of people who their whole life they've been left wing and they realize, I can't do this anymore.
You and I used to be Democrats.Yeah.
It's nuts, man.I think the things we want are just pretty basic.It's like we want individual liberties and we want opportunity.We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity.So we maximize people's personal freedom.
The government can't barge into your house and kill your fucking pet. That's fucked up.And that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent, not anything else.Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter.The basic stuff.
What did you change the acronym DEI, what did you change it to?
I mean, diversity, inclusion, and equity is D-I-E.
Didn't he change it to dedication, excellence?
Yeah.America being the land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill.
Radical. Radical.Are you the best person in the 60s?
Better respect your right wing now.I'm like, okay, great.Pull me right wing, I don't care.You're not a real country unless you have secure borders.You're just a fake country.Our cities are unsafe and dirty.
You know, my mom was telling me my mom's like pretty red bull at this point But but you know, what's gonna red pill you really really fast is is having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York Yeah, and and that happened to three of her friends this year.
You got assaulted on the streets of New York.Just walking around.Yeah, and Nobody got arrested nothing nothing happened
Well, the morale of the police is depleted substantially.
Yeah.For sure, the morale of the police is depleted.And then also, at some point, if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously, because sometimes they'll try to kill you.
And then if you know that arresting this violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York.Ellen Bright doesn't prosecute people.
Then why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will just be let out immediately?It's pointless. It's like the friggin' Joker.It's like Dark Knight.The friggin' Joker is in charge.
The criminals run free and the citizens are arrested. That like, this is why I keep coming back to this, I'm still pretty shook about the freaking squirrel thing.
It's like, at gunpoint, forced the guy to stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them.Meanwhile, violent felons are running free, and this is in New York State, are running free. It's a joker.
Yeah, it's not the the law-abiding citizens are Are you know arrested and and the criminals are they free?
This is fucked up guys Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have You have the resources.Yeah, the government resources to go kill someone squirrel.Yeah What this whole idea of this?
government efficiency agency
Yeah, I mean, call it whatever you want.
What do you want to call it?
I mean, I think the funniest name is DOGE, the DOGE, Department of Government Efficiency.
Yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty simple, is that we've got this suffocating, massive federal bureaucracy, and government spending is like bankrupting the country. Our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget.
The Defense Department budget is like a trillion dollars a year.Interest payments on the national debt are now higher than the Defense Department budget. and growing every month.Basically, we're on a path to bankruptcy.
America's on a path to bankruptcy.So we have to cut government spending or we're just gonna go bankrupt, just like a person would if that overspends.But it's even worse than that.We're spending money on all these government agencies.
I actually asked the AI how many government agencies are there. And the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are.So it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency.
So at the federal level, that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed.So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year.Wow. Yes.So this is insane.
I bet there's like, I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all 450 agencies at the federal level.There might be no one.But it's hardly anyone, let's just say.I bet most people couldn't even name like 100, you know, so. This is crazy.
So we've got this suffocating, this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year.And eventually you get to the point where everything is illegal.You can't get anything done.
So what can be done?Obviously, the president has a lot of power, but how much power?And what can be done in terms of eliminating agencies, eliminating waste?
If Congress has created an agency, then often if you look at the law, the law is pretty simple.
The agency has a very simple task, but then that agency over time vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress.That's happened with pretty much every agency.
So yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency, you'd have to match the law, but you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say, you gotta stick to what Congress authorized, instead of all this other stuff you're doing.
Which I think makes sense.
And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, where they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence?Yeah.
It's like a tumor, it's just gonna keep growing.
For SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the pad, the giant rocket.We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch.So we're sitting there for two months.
But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you?
Maybe a little, but that would also not be cool.Another way to think of it is the amount of paperwork is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved, because they all have to meet with each other.
So let's say in the best case situation, if you've got like, if there's like, if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing.
But if you've got to deal with five agencies, and the agencies will have to meet with each other, now you've got like, you know, 25 different meeting configurations that have to take place.You get just hardening of the arteries.
You just can't make progress.This is why we can't build high-speed rail in America.It's basically illegal.
Right.So the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment.We need to protect people.We need to make sure the rule of law is followed.So we need a certain amount of regulation.
But overregulation is a giant problem.That's a big issue in California.It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok.They make it very difficult to get anything done.
Yes, I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created.And in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war.
Because like, well, we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks.But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the US.
We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year. And to the point where, like I said, everything's illegal.And it's not like any one regulation is the problem.
It's like Gulliver being tied down by a million little strings.It's not like any one string is the problem, but you've got a million of them.So we've got to clear the decks here. I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators.
I'm just saying we've gone way too far.Once you think of regulators like referees on a field, a sports field, you don't want to have no refs.You want to have some number of refs, but you don't want to have way more refs than players.
You don't want to be like, well, the running back couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way. the football field's full of regulators.It's like you can't even play the game.That's the issue we've got right now.
That's a great analogy.I can imagine a football field that's filled with referees.
It's like the football field's filled with refs.
You can't even run past them.I've seen criticism of this idea of you Coming up with this department of regular like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work?
but the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is If you measurably if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources Which I think is pretty easy to do and if you could say that this is not the most efficient like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a Company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable
Yeah, the government doesn't have to be profitable, right?They don't have to be efficient.They don't have competition Yeah, so if you're making cars and your cars break down they suck and someone makes cars the cars are better.
They're gonna succeed So this is the free market the government doesn't have this problem when they're they're in charge of certain things That could probably be better served by the public by the private sector.I
Yeah, absolutely.Well, look, I just think we've got far too many government agencies.The federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand, and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level.
And if it turns out that there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back.No problem.It's like, oh, that regulation was important?No problem.We'll put it right back.
As long as we actually know, but to be able to look at it logically and objectively.And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed.
Like a couple of years or something like that, is that what you're saying?
Yeah, I mean, I'm just, these are, again, just ideas, but I mean, the point is not that people suffer economic hardship.
The point is just that it's better, there are more productive things they can do in the economy, and it would be better if they did these other more productive things, and we didn't have this vast federal bureaucracy.
So I was like, ah, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good, and then they could take a vacation, they could take another job and get double pay.I mean, it's not like a, It's not going to create an economic crisis.
I think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.
The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system.You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system.
And then you're like, no, you have to go out and compete in the free market. Yeah.That's scary to people.But you have to be valuable.You have to actually be valuable.
I mean, let's look at wherever the government pension and stuff.They're not going to be in tough.I think they'll be in good financial shape.
How are you going to have the time to oversee all this shit?
Well, I'm pretty good at improving efficiency.
But still, this seems like a giant undertaking.
Yeah, I'll probably need to beef up security.
But like I said, no one's going to experience, I think, economic hardship.They'll be fine.People do find other roles.
I mean, you can look at sort of when East Germany and West Germany got back together, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.
And it was really inefficient, and their economic output in East Germany was like a quarter of what it was in West Germany, because everyone was working for the government.The government's fundamentally inefficient.
The best example is probably North and South Korea, right?
Yeah, people are starving in North Korea and South Korea is incredibly prosperous.And it's the same people, just different operating system.You just want to move people from less productive things to more productive things.
Because you could also say, in the limit, let's consider the other direction, where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector, making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators.
Now they stop making those goods and services, so the stuff they were making is no longer available.Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing?That's not a good thing.
It doesn't sound good.No, it's not good.It doesn't sound like there's a real market for it.Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there.
There are all these fake jobs, basically.And that doesn't make sense.So, look, we've got to do this because the country's going bankrupt.Like, if we don't take action, we're
our dollar's gonna be worth nothing, and the interest payments, which are already 23% of all government income, including income taxes, tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.And that number's continually rising.
So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest.There won't be money for anything.No, there won't be money for Social Security, there won't be money for Medicare, nothing.That's where we're headed.
That's what bankruptcy means.
Yeah, that's such an insane concept.
Yes.It's like, hello, wake up. And if somebody can tell me, can show me, like pencil out the math to show me how this works, I'd love to hear it.
But I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like, if we don't do something, America's toast.
There won't be money for anything.Trump likes to talk a lot, about a lot, is tariffs.What are your thoughts on tariffs?I know that's very controversial to even people, economists.
They disagree, some agree, some think it's a good idea, some think it's a terrible idea.What do you think?
I think you need to be careful with tariffs. I deal a lot with supply chain issues, like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex.
So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car.Now if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it messes everything up.So you wanna be,
have tariffs be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain.I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America.It's just that you can't do it instantly.
So if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to build factories in America, because you've got to move atoms.You've got to build a building.You've got to install equipment. You've got to train people.
That doesn't happen instantly.For tariffs, you want to have a ramp so that companies can adjust and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place.
Otherwise, you basically just shock the system and it breaks or bad things happen. I'm against sudden giant tariffs because it's an impossible response if you've got to move a thousand tons of equipment.
In some cases, collectively, millions of tons of equipment.You just can't do that overnight.It's literally impossible. So, I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs and give companies a ramp.
I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing.I'm a big manufacturing guy.I love manufacturing.I've spent a lot of time in the factory.
We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing, how complicated it is, and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, say, building a Tesla.
Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. A lot of people, they've never been in a factory or they don't know how difficult it is to make things.And for a lot of people, I think just ketchup comes from the store.
For a lot of people who've been in academia or for all these socialist, communist types, they've never actually made anything.So they're operating on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.
And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else, it's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty.And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty.There's no cornucopia.
It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like and that you need.
But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world.So it's not, I mean, we still make a lot of stuff, but we could make more.We probably should make more.
I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do.
Well, it'd be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient.Like medicine, like there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas.It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down.
Yeah, I mean, you don't want to say like, so there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage.
So if you're completely self-sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself, and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself, which means you're going to have the inferior, more costly product domestically.
Right.Like Soviet Russia.
Yeah, like trade improves prosperity.This is important.So you don't actually want to make everything yourself.
And you can run this, like you can think of this thought experiment on sort of a micro scale or small scale and then expand that and say where does the, at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid?
Now let's consider the case of you as an individual.Imagine you have to do everything yourself.You have to farm.You have to grow chickens.You've got to – if you want eggs, you've got to build your own house.
You've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself, everything. Now that would be impossible.Okay, now let's expand it to, okay, there's 10 people.Now you're gonna have some specialization of tasks.
Okay, well maybe one person could be really good at construction, another person could be good at farming.But still, 10 people's not enough.So let's go to 100 people.Now let's go to 100 million people.Now let's go to a billion people.
And you still get the economics of specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become expert at a particular thing, still matters at a billion people, or at eight billion people, which is Earth.
So you still want, you do want specialization of labor, you do want countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing.
Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition.If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars.
We have to compete with them, which is one of the things that happened during the 80s and 90s when America was making crap cars and Germany was making much better ones.
Yeah, I mean, basically the American auto car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s, and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know?
And there was like an old joke that is kind of telling, it's a very old joke, where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies?
Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese car company, you had eight people rowing and one person steering. And in the American car company, you had eight people steering and one person rowing, if this was a boat.So imagine a boat race.
Japanese boat, you've got eight people rowing and one person steering.In the American boat, you've got one person rowing and eight people steering.And when the American car company loses the race, they fire the rower.
And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true.Everyone wants to be the boss and not everyone wants to do the work type of thing.
Yeah.One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI.That a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, is going to be eliminated.
I mean, you're at the forefront of this, so how do you see this playing out, and what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel, loss of income, obviously universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem.
Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.
Yeah, no, we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future.How far do you think it is?Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing.
So we've got like immediate issues, we've got short term issues that are one to three years, medium term issues like five to 10 years, longer term issues which are like maybe 20 years.
Longer term I think there is this question if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life?If the computer can do everything better than you can and the robot can do everything better than you can.
But we're still, we've got a long way to go before that.And I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, like maybe 90.So I think everyone's gonna have their own personal robot.
And I think at some point, wouldn't you wanna have your own personal C3PO R2D2?That would be cool.
So it's gonna be essentially just like everyone has their own phone?
Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy.Like literally.
Well, it would be great if it protected you.Like if you walked down the street of New York City and you have a Terminator with you.I don't know about the Terminator.
Hopefully, we've got to avoid, we don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron, you know, more Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation.
But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots, jacked Tesla robots that were there to protect you.
Like Robocop or something, but just fully robots?
Somebody fully robot, there to protect you from a bad neighborhood.That would be very interesting.You could potentially see that.Restaurants would probably have no robot rules.You can't bring a robot.
Yeah, leave your robot outside, your robot standing by the table.
Man, the future's going to be wild.
It's going to be wild.It's going to be really unpredictable.You probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.It's going to completely drown society and change it forever.
I mean, it's, we have, like I said, it's not, like, it's not gonna happen, like, overnight, but it's, 20 years from now, I'm like, I think, I should say, like, 20 years from now, I think there's gonna be more humanoid robots than there are humans.
More humanized, well, that's so crazy, like, so that's, like, more guns.We have more guns than people in America.We'll have more robots than people in America as well.Yes.You'll have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore.
I guess. early versions or something.
In a historical timeline, 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal.I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal.1920, 1940, eh, kind of a big deal.1940, 1960, things start getting weird.
60 to 80, wow, that's a big difference.80 to 2000, holy shit, now you have the internet.2000 to 2020, whoa, this is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube streaming.20 years from now, like what are we even talking about?
It's going to be that much of a shift.Like it's all accelerating and we're in the middle of it.So it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening.Cause it kind of just feels like life and you just get adapted to the changes.
Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket, like an oracle that can answer any questions, and people just take it for granted.
Yeah.It's normal.They get mad if it doesn't work.It's like Louis C.K.'s joke about using your phone when you're on a plane.Ah, fucking piece of shit.You're in the sky!
You're floating in the air!
And now it will work with Starlink, too.What's that?It will work with Starlink.The Starlink connection.It'll be like being on the ground.
Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when I was in Utah.I was in the mountains of Utah.There was no cell phone service anywhere near.And we had full YouTube.We had text messages, FaceTime, everything.Phone calls.It was nuts.
And it was this big as that cigar box. It's crazy.It's so light when I brought it out there like that's it or this is it just plug it in and The guys I was in camp with her like this is crazy.
Yeah, the whole camp was like sharing it So like ten people yeah using the the Wi-Fi signal right nuts.Yep And then, you know, that's the beginning.I mean, what you're at right now is, like, what version?This is Starlink Mini, right?
So this is, like, a very small version.How much smaller can it scale down from that?
Well, there's a certain area that you need.Like, the bigger the area, the more you can... Higher the bandwidth? Yeah, because you're trying to catch these photons, essentially.
So you can think of the area of the antenna is like the more area you have, the more photons you can catch.
But we have a direct-to-cell capability as well that we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months that'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified.
But because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about 100 times less bandwidth.But still, you'll be able to do text messages, pictures, medium-resolution videos, that kind of thing.
One of the cool things about the new phone, the new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites, iMessages, and receiving them.
Yeah, just text.But still pretty impressive.Yeah.Yeah.I mean, what are we going to be looking at 100 years from now?
I mean, when you... 100 years from now, I hope civilization's around.That'll be a win.
Yeah.What are the chances that we fuck this whole thing up?
It's hard to say.I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's some really massive global thermonuclear war. I mean, Stephen Hawking, he would say that there was at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century.
That was his rough estimate.But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today.So you say like, well, because you look at, say, these various civilizations throughout history,
whether it's like ancient Sumerians or the Egyptians, the Romans, there's like a life cycle to civilization.They reached a peak and then they started subsiding.
So I think a bigger question is like, will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years?I think it's probably gonna be better.
I think, but any estimates are gonna be so, there's so many dependencies, like an estimate I think is, I'm not sure it has any meaning, because it's like there's so many things that can happen in 100 years.
The logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed and they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this and we've seen this happen before, let's course correct and let's sort of
manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now, because it's pretty extraordinary.This is what we're hoping for with this election.
This is what we're hoping for with the future, is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now.And it might be the only moment in history where this is possible.
because if they do, lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit and you're only voting for primaries and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place.
You don't really have democracy anymore.You don't really have choice.You don't really have freedom.
That's right.Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow and we'll know, I think we'll know by the end of the day tomorrow.I don't think it's going to take, it's not going to be like days after the election.
I think we'll know tomorrow.
I am currently optimistic, but the biggest factor here is that men need to vote.That is the biggest issue.So I don't know what the reason is, but men just vote at a much lower rate than women.
I think it's like 9%, right?Someone just told me that today.
It's a big difference.And I'm just saying as a message to the men out there, vote like your life depends on it, because I think it does.Vote.Vote tomorrow like your life depends on it.Nothing is more important.
I agree.Listen, man, thank you for being here.I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time.Again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history.
I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before, and I think it was dangerous.
It is dangerous.Hopefully I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars.That's what I'm asking for here.I don't think that's too much to ask.
Thank you very much.Appreciate you.
