What's up, everybody?Welcome to another episode of All Out War.I am Turner, and I am joined with Rosie.
What's up, Rosie?Yeah, we were going to say in the studio, but we're not in... It's a studio, like a home is where you make it.Right.A studio is where you make it.
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Well, everybody, we have a great guest on the podcast.It's been a long time coming.And I was just joking, like, I don't know why we haven't had this person on earlier.
And we are going to be discussing the topic of sleep paralysis and spiritual warfare.And so one person that is leading this whole information on this and just kind of this ministry around this topic is Vicki Jo Anderson.
And I just want to welcome Vicki to the podcast.Vicki, how are you?
Hey, I'm doing great.Thanks for having me on.
Our pleasure.Yes, our pleasure.And I know you just got off another podcast.And so we'll, we'll get right to the point here.Because I know you're probably just want to go to bed.How did you know?
I'm a night owl.I'm a night owl.But I have packed, man, I packed things really tight this week, you guys.I don't know what I was thinking, but I'm raring to go.
Well, I appreciate you.We had you scheduled for last week and then it was 4th of July and all that.And so we had to reschedule, but, uh, you were gracious enough to jump on.
So Vicki, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself, um, kind of your background, um, and how you ended up writing this book that you wrote.
Yeah, absolutely.So it's really strange guys.Like I'm maybe, heading into three years in on this journey.I mean, I've been a writer for a while, but this topic, I don't know.
I mean, I decided to write about it because it's something that I suffered with most of my entire life.And I, I really didn't think to write anything about it until I realized other people had it also.
I guess I've been a little bit of a recluse most of my life.And, um, I, I really didn't know that anyone else had this.I thought it was this weird thing that was happening to me and it wasn't the kind of thing you talked about.
So when I realized that it was something somewhat of a phenomenon that has been happening all throughout history in every culture, male, female, all ages, I realized, okay, uh, I need to investigate this because I don't really know what it is either.
Like, and why, why did I get targeted?And what is this about?And so, um, That's kind of where the idea got birthed.I had no idea that this was like the lining of the planet's time to start talking about this.Like I had no idea.
And just like a word of caution to anyone out there who thinks they want to be a writer, pick something that you're passionate about. and you're okay talking about for the rest of your life.You know what I mean?
There are days like, I'm still passionate about this topic because what it allows me to do is it allows me to glorify God and lift up the name of his son, Jesus.It allows me to expose the deeds of the devil and allows me to set captives free.
And because of that, I'll never tire of doing any of those things.But there are days where I'm like, oh my gosh, If I have to talk about these stupid shadow people, this dumb astral realm one more day, like you're just like, ah, you know what I mean?
I do know what you mean, actually.
So anyway, um, we can get into the details of, you know, why this was happening to me and things like that.
But just by way of background, I was born in Minnesota in 1972 and I had sleep paralysis pretty much from the time, at least four years old from what I remember.I have a vivid memory of four years old.
But there are other like personal memories and kind of bizarre things and things I remember saying to my mom and whatever that I do believe it was happening
earlier than that, but I don't have a recollection of it or I didn't really have the life experience at that point or the ability to communicate really what was happening or whatnot.So I think it's pretty much been happening from day one.
And I think what opened the door for me, because, you know, when you think of the typical church answers for this, You know, it's like, well, you must have opened a door.
You must have played with the Ouija board or you, you know, did some psychedelics or, you know, pornography.You know, there's all these sort of like knee jerk assumptions when people talk about this.
But what do you do when you're talking about a two or three or four year old?You know, that hopefully they're not sitting there with their feet kicked in the nose smoking a doobie.
Right.So how do you explain that?
I do have a question for you, though.Yeah, absolutely.Can we describe what sleep paralysis is or night terrors or whatever, however they go by?
Because before we jump into that, just so our listeners will kind of get an idea of what we're talking about.
Absolutely, absolutely.So sleep paralysis, little different thing than night terrors.I'll tell you the differentiation.
Sleep paralysis happens to men and women of all ages and it can follow into puberty, it can follow into adulthood, it can follow into the golden years. Night terrors is typically something that children experience.
And it seems to be more common with boys, though girls do have it and adults do have it.There's no such thing as like a formula that doesn't have outliers, right?
Night terrors tends to be a child waking up or not even waking up, but screaming bloody murder. and the parents come running into the room and the child can't be shaken out of this.And they're just screaming and screaming.
And typically the next morning, they will have no memory of it.They won't have a memory of a bad dream or of screaming or of anything.Night tears also commonly comes with sleepwalking and nosebleeds, ironically.
With sleep paralysis, you have got, again, all ages, And you have got people that typically talk about waking up in their room, not being able to move, being on their back.They can't breathe.They feel like they're having a heart attack.
They feel like they're being choked.Sometimes they see some sort of an entity or a, you know, troll looking thing on their chest.They'll see the shadow man, the hat man, the incubus, the succubus, the old woman in the rocker.
the little children laughing, the red glowing eyes, the alien grays, the gargoyles.That's the most common experience.There are outliers though.You will hear crazy things that fall outside of that.
Some people get pulled out of their bed, onto the floor. For many people, it turns into an out-of-body experience.They'll go out through the ceiling, typically.
If you're in darkness and you're going up to the ceiling, it's typically an astral abduction.If you are seeing a bright light and you're being pulled out of the window, that is typically a UFO version of sleep paralysis.
We all know that UFO abductions can happen in daylight, broad daylight, waking hours in the cornfield, you know, all that kind of stuff.But there is a sleep paralysis version of it where they come to the to the person at night.
And from from my research and the hundreds of people that have contacted me, I will tell you, obviously, not all people who have had sleep paralysis have been abducted.
But everyone who's been abducted and I'm talking about UFO, everyone who's had a UFO abduction experience has had sleep paralysis. So they kind of go with them.Yeah.There are.
Again, you have to be really careful, especially if you're a counselor, you don't want to make assumptions because there's always exceptions, but a large majority of the people that suffer the UFO abduction version their whole life, you're frequently going to find ritual abuse or sexual abuse.
And for the people that are getting the non UFO sleep paralysis, where they're just getting out of bodies, lucid dreaming, astral abductions, but we can talk about that more later.
Those people typically have childhood trauma, but it's not necessarily the sexual or the ritual kind.It's some sort of.
dysfunction in the home or the loss of a parent or being given up for adoption or in my case a lot of medical like I was in the hospital the first 15 years of my life in and out of course you know I got to leave but there a lot right so trauma is a huge piece of this and it kind of becomes a which came first the chicken or the egg did a
Did they have this paranormal experience and it traumatized them and then that created the trauma?Or are these entities attracted to children who are already in trauma or a little bit of both?It really becomes entangled at a certain point.
The reason why I think they target children who are traumatized is because if you have a huge thing in your life that sort of defines you and has become part of your identity.
And you know, you've been in therapy and you're on psychotropic medication and it was something really traumatizing.
All of the side effects of sleep paralysis, the sort of the ways that it manifests emotionally and medically and stress-wise, depression, anxiety,
every single thing that manifests, you can easily blame on trauma because it's all, it's already a side effect of trauma.
So the, the demonic aspects of it go unnoticed because anytime a child will complain about nightmares or anxiety or being antisocial or can't make friends or you know, whatever, everything just gets thrown into the bucket of their trauma, their traumatic experience.
And when you add up all of sort of the nuances of sleep paralysis, you're coming to children often before they're verbal.You are coming to a child who's traumatized.
You're coming to a child who's already got detachment and survival mode instincts because of trauma.So they're not necessarily going and expressing all their feelings to other people because they don't necessarily trust other people.
And then you've got it happening in your sleep.So if anything scary or out of the norm happens at night, we're never gonna notice missing time because when our alarm clock goes off, there's all sorts of missing time that we never question.
And if there's a fragment of any sort of a memory, even if it's demonic or of a UFO origin or paranormal or astral, when we wake up, it was just a dream.That's the mantra.So when you have all of these things going on at once,
That is why people can have this phenomenon 20, 30, 40 years and never question it, never bat an eyelash at it.And here's another thing with trauma survivors.
When you are dodging bullets all day long in your normal life, you're getting bullied at school.
or you're coming home to a dangerous or dysfunctional home where your physical safety is always in jeopardy, or if you're always in the hospital, or you're always having to do things that you have no way, there's no escape.
You have to have that surgery.You have to go to grandma's house.You know, whatever it is that's traumatic.You do kind of develop a personality that becomes so accustomed
to trauma that you really don't bat an eyelash when things that would make another person crumble occurs, right?So I've noticed even in my life, you know, little things that aren't paranormal or demonic in any way.
If I'm out one day and I get a flat tire, I'll just be like, oh, okay, like, hey, you know, hey, dad, I got a flat tire, can you come help me?It literally registers as a zero to a one on a scale of like stress.
Because you're thinking like, hey, this part of life, I drive a car, my tire's gonna get flat.And I didn't notice that until I got older and I started hanging around with more people and realizing how unnormal some of my reactions were.
Which is another thing, because when you go through a lot of trauma, You do tend to isolate and you tend to be very introverted.You don't tend to, by choice, go out a lot.
So you lose the advantage of comparing your life and your experiences and your reactions to other people.And you don't realize how normal some of it is and how abnormal some of it is.
And so now that I'm around more people and I see how disproportionate a lot of people's emotional reactions are to the actual situation, I realized like, wow, there's a lot of things that I just, I don't bat an eyelash at.
And that might be good if it's something as stupid as a flat tire, but where it is a disadvantage is it also occurs that a lot of things occur to me on a daily basis that is probably spiritual warfare.And I never even identify it as that.
So there's probably things that I could be praying against and really having some relief from, and it would never even, dawn on me as spiritual warfare, because to me, it's just kind of like a fly that's in my face.Like, oh, what a nuisance.
This is going to make me a nuisance today.So that's that's kind of some of the things with sleep paralysis and compared to night terrors and things like that.So kind of tying that in with the first question in my own story.
I think that the open door for me came through being born with this birth defect, so immediately I'm staying in the hospital.It's doctors, it's needles, it's invasive medical procedures, and that kind of carried on off and on for 15 years.
But another thing that you guys might find interesting, because it's a piece that came into play when I was two years old when we were living in Virginia. We were living in Fairfax.We only lived there for a year.My dad had a job there.
He was a VP at a Fortune 50 company.He did not work for the Pentagon or he didn't have a government position.
My dad, for people who have seen other podcasts, my dad was in the Air Force as a teenager, but he did his four years and was out, so he was not in a military position or anything like that.
We just happened to be in Fairfax because that was the territory that was assigned to him and his company.But it was a desk job.
But what I found out years and years and years later and what didn't mean anything to me until adulthood, after I started reading a lot upon a lot of these so-called conspiracies, is most of our neighbors
were Pentagon employees because that's the Fairfax area, right?So not only knows what, what the inside walls of some of these, you know, neighborhoods have seen and know, but anyway, strange, strange things were afoot in the Fairfax house guys.
And I'm two years old, so I don't remember a lot of it.I do remember the house.I remember the massively beautiful weeping Willow tree out in front.I remember my friend,
down the street, and I remember raking leaves and jumping off her little pop-up trailer into the leaves.And I have a lot of memories from two years old.That's another thing with trauma, because trauma serves as timestamps in your life.
And because I was having all of these surgeries, plus we were moving a lot.I think we moved like 18 times by the time I was a sophomore in high school.So because there was,
so much trauma in my life, I have tons of memories, even going all the way back to two.
So I don't have any recollections of sleep paralysis specifically in that house, but I do have one memory where I remember telling my mom I was afraid of the dark.
And the reason I remember it is because it was the very first time she had ever told me what an angel was.She goes, you don't have to be afraid because the angels are watching over you.And I said, well, what's an angel?
And she said, well, they're big, and they're bright, and they're everywhere.Because that's the two-year-old answer, right?So she left the room.
And because she didn't bother to tell me that these things were invisible, I'm like, well, I don't see big, bright things everywhere.
So I'm looking around my room feeling very unprotected because these big, bright things that are everywhere aren't in my room.So I stood up on my bed, and I got up on my tippy-toes, and I looked out the window.
And all down the street, I don't know if it's still this way on the East Coast, but in the 70s, there were streetlights going all the way up and down the street and they were like war of the worlds looking things.
They came and they bent over and had like an eye on them.
Okay.So I was like, Oh, there's angels all the way up and down my street.Cause they were big and they were bright and they were all over.So in my little two year old mind.
So I remember that and think, I wonder what was in my little two year old mind that prompted me to tell my mom that I was afraid or what was making me uncomfortable.
I have more memories at four years old when we had moved to Philly, but we have a lot of memories.
My older brother, who was four at the time, experienced night terrors in that home, sleepwalking, and there was a lot of paranormal type of activity in the house.And it was confirmed after we moved.My mom got a Christmas letter back in the day.
In the olden days, people would send Christmas letters out once a year, right?Okay. My mom got a Christmas letter from a neighbor after we'd moved out.
And the neighbor was very curious and said, we're all dying to know if anything weird ever happened in your house.And so my mom was a very stoic Swede.Like, I mean, she was very, she had a personality and she was very funny, but she was very private.
Like she was not one to like share her thoughts and feelings with strangers. So she kind of played dumb, and she's like, well, what do you mean?Why would you even ask that?
And the neighbor said, well, the rumor around town, around the neighborhood, is that the house is haunted.We had rented the house.We rented the house for a year.Because the owner of the home is a satanic high priest, and we heard he did the basement.
That's amazing.Yeah, right?So in the 1970s, this was probably 75, 74, 74 to 75.And so I don't know what my 20 something year old parents as evangelical pew warming churches, like attenders would have done with that information.
I don't know if that really meant anything to them.I don't know if we really had a firm understanding pre satanic panic of what a satanic high priest was, if it was even such thing, you know.
So I think that that probably exacerbated my problems, or maybe that's what first opened the door.But here's the problem with a lot of sleep paralysis.And when I talk about this, I'm talking about people that have had it their whole life.
I'm not talking about the kid who had it one time when he was 15.I'm talking about targeted individual types. what makes it tricky and what makes this Christianese idea about calling the name of Jesus and it goes away, you know?
Like, yeah, if you call in the name of Jesus, an episode can stop rather abruptly.It doesn't work for everybody.And it doesn't work all the time for everybody.I was a lucky one.
Every single time I called in the name of Jesus, bam, those things were gone.And I knew instinctively, even as a four-year-old, Jesus, and they were gone.Like, thank God.
But where we get a little bit naive and where we maybe unintentionally gaslight our brothers and sisters in the Lord is when you had sleep paralysis one time and you called on the name of Jesus and it never came back, that is awesome.
But if your friend in church didn't have the same experience and it continues to come back night after night after night,
It doesn't mean that it didn't work for them, or that they're playing with the Ouija board, or that they're terrible people, or they're not really Christians, or maybe they're into witchcraft and I shouldn't be their friend anymore.
This is where, this is really where as a church, we need to fill in the gaps and inform each other so we can help the conductives.Where it gets tricky is usually with those people, they're not the ones that open the door.
It has something to do with a, um,
Authority figure in the home a parent or a grandparent it could have to do with who owned the home previously like in our case it could have to do with Ancestral ties like great-great-grandpas who were part of Scottish right Freemasonry or whatever
It could have to do with bloodlines.If you come from a bloodline of a tribe of Israel or the line of David or an RH negative, or you actually come from a bloodline of the ref, the ref I am or something like that.
I know this stuff sounds arcane, but you know, um, some of these things, these bloodlines that are, uh, have, you know, taints of immortal blood in them that, you know, Bale and Molech and the Queen of Heaven, they didn't die.They didn't retire.
They're not in Boca.They're alive, right?They're still out there doing their thing.They go by different names and they have different tricks for different cultures, but they're still alive and well.
And so where it gets tricky is even if it's not your fault, you are not the one that opened the door.You did not provide the indication.
Where it gets tricky and why I think trauma is a necessary cog in their modus operandi is when you have little children who are going through trauma and they're being abused or they're being bullied, the natural human response, especially when we're immature in life experience and immature in our faith, a lot of the ways that we respond to trauma attract demonic entities.
we become angry, we become rebellious, or we get into drugs, or we become bitter, or we're jealous of other people.Question?
Yes, I have a great question for you.So this is something that was kind of rolling around in my brain as you were mentioning trauma.
How, so how does, obviously the spiritual realm, they have eyes and they communicate with one another so they can observe a person's life.But how do they know to pick out a person that's been traumatized?
And is it, is there something, like I know you alluded to the fact that they're more isolated and all of those things.Is it just an easier target for them in that regard?They're bullies.
They're wimps, yeah.But again, there's people that have been through trauma that don't ever have this.
The same way there's people who played with Ouija boards or been deep into the new age or listen to heavy metal music and watch horror movies, and they don't have it either, which is why we need broader, more intellectually honest discussions surrounding this stuff.
But with the trauma, there's usually, it's not just trauma, like a kid survives a tornado and now he's got sleep paralysis the rest of his life.No, there's usually layers of things.
There's several things that they're looking for, and if all the planets align, you're gonna get targeted.So in my case, I had the trauma.I had the house where the doors were all open and the invitation was set.I have the bloodline.
I didn't find this out until my 40s, but I have direct through a maternal grandfather directly through all of the males.It is an unbroken line
all the way through to the Plantagenets in England, whose throne was usurped by the Tudors, I believe, which goes all the way through to the Davidic line through one of David's more obscure sons.
You know, not one of the ones we talk about all the time, right?Not Baya, not Solomon, not Absalom, right?So I think that they start out, well, there's two different agendas.There's the you know, if you can't beat them, join them one.
And then if you if you don't join them, then it's the it's the will destroy you.Right.So for some reason, I never like they never started out with the friendly version with me.They never came in and tried to groom me.
They never tried to tell me I'm a special chosen one with a purpose and I have a gift like they never flattered me.They never came in and told me that They never attempted to kind of get me on board from from the get go.
It was always the hateful, you know, you're going to burn in hell.No one loves you.Your parents wouldn't come and help you right now, even if they heard you screaming.It was being and all of that stuff.
And so I think that that is because of my bloodline, because if you look at the promises given to David's ancestors.Yeah, we're a threat to his entire agenda, right?So there's never going to be any love.
So if you're one of these people, who never got the grooming or the nice stuff, or the you're a chosen one, or you're a starseed, or one of these things, chances are you are an enemy through and through and not you're not an enemy because you're a Christian, or because you go to a Baptist church, or you pray to prayer at youth group, they're not threatened by any of that.
but they're threatened by people that are sealed in covenants because all of this is about covenants.
So if you are, if you have a whole bunch of these things and you're a perfect targeted individual, chances are another, uh, tactic that they have is they're going to try to get you with honey before they get you with vinegar and a lot of these cases.
And so, There's the two ways.They're gonna get you with the vinegar or they're gonna just scare the crap out of you and torment and harass you.
This goes back to the prophecy of Daniel that in the latter days, the beast that rises up will wear out the saints, right?So part of sleep paralysis is wearing out the saints in a very literal sense.
That if you're not getting sleep night after night after night, and you're staying up later and later because you wanna kind of get past the witching hour when these things happen,
And when you have lack of sleep, just ask any soldier, you know, who's got foxhole syndrome, you know, it affects your grades in school, it affects your friendships, your relationships, your social life, your marriage, it affects everything, your job.
It's a literal, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual wearing out of the Saints.But their other agenda, and that's not to say there's only two, their other main agenda is,
they draw people in with the breadcrumb trail and they offer them all sorts of gifts.And that the gifts can be pleasure.It can be magic or an ability to manifest things.It can be arcane knowledge.It can be a sense of identity.
One of the things that I think was really fascinating about the whole why light series that was all the rage you know a decade ago with the vampire is
it really encapsulated perfectly how a lot of these children are groomed through sleep paralysis and astral abductions.
And that is, you get a kid who's lonely, isolated, moves around a lot, doesn't have a lot of friends, isn't pretty, isn't popular, whatever.And this is why so many kids on the spectrum are getting targeted on social media for certain agendas.
They are looking for people that in their real life are never special.I'm not the teacher's pet, the favorite kid in the house.I don't got a lot of friends, you know, that sort of thing.And they make this kid feel special.You're chosen.
You have a gift.Teach us.We want to learn from you.And and you're being groomed.You're actually being groomed.And then they have all of these gifts that they pro-offer that then become addictive, right?
And that's why in a lot of these cases, I won't get too graphic, but a lot of these cases, it is a grooming in the same sense that we would define grooming in the physical realm.
There are early sexual awakenings, and I'm talking three to five-year-olds.I have dozens of people that have called me and said that this has been happening to them since three to five years old, three to eight years old,
And it was a sexual grooming where three, four, five, six years old, they became addicted to masturbation, which was taught to them in these astral experiences.And then it led to deeper and deeper and deeper bits of that addiction as they got older.
And there is a, maybe it's different now, kids are more savvy, but in the 70s and 80s, when a lot of the people that I talked to,
There was a sense that these kids didn't necessarily know that what they were doing was wrong or dirty or simple, but they knew it was something very secret.So it wasn't something they went and told their parents about.
And that's why a lot of boys who have night terrors, they don't want to talk about it, but there are also a lot of wet dreams involved with the night terrors.There is a very intentional blending of
pleasure and pain, which is all part of mind control.It's all part of trauma-based mind control.You have a Pavlovian pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, pain, but then they keep coming back because they know that the pleasure is coming.
And so it is a very tactical strategy.And a lot of the people that are experiencing this in their childhood are being set up for the fall.And by the time they get into puberty,
There are addictions, there's rebellion, there's a lot of times you hear about the drugs and the sex that come out then in puberty, new age then, occult stuff, and a lot of people they get into the horror movies and the metal and all that stuff.
Fortunately, I got out rather unscathed.Fortunately, I was bullied so badly that by the time I got to high school, I had no interest in my peers.I didn't want their affection.I didn't want their attention.You guys are going to treat me like garbage.
And then I'm supposed to like want to be one of you.So I was like, I was like angry by that age.So I had a lot of anger that was letting stuff in.But I wanted nothing to do with my peers. I didn't want to go to parties.
I didn't want to hang out with them.I didn't want to dress like them.When I was in high school, all the rage was like the guest jeans and the esprit bags and like that, all that kind of stuff.I wanted nothing to do with it.
I wore ripped jeans and metal t-shirts.I didn't want to wear the makeup and anything that was like popular for females at that time. I went to the extreme of, I don't want any of you for one minute to think I admire you or want to be like you.
Those kids have hurt me.I did not want to be a part of them.So because of that, I avoided partying, drinking, drugs, sex.
I avoided all that because it would have necessitated my hanging around with my peers, and I would have rather have gotten my cavities filled without Novocain than have been around them, you know?
I think too, just living through that, I'm just a few years older than you are, and not being a believer through those years of my life, not having the internet, it made things very, because your world was so small.
And it was just like your whole world revolved around your neighborhood, the kids at your school, because you couldn't get online and have friends, which on the flip side of that, it creates a whole other issue of problems because now you're open up to an entire world of depravity that someone like me or you wouldn't have been exposed to at that age because of the internet.
That's such a good point.That's such a good point.The 70s and 80s version of the Internet, and this was also part of the grooming process, and why they choose empathetic, creative kids.
Yeah.And so I was a little pre goth.Sometimes I get mad.I'm like, I invented goth.I need this.But it was, it was the metal in my days, right?It was the heavy metal, right?
It was the black and whatnot.But anyway, um, pre internet, the internet of the seventies and eighties was this, and they would get into your head.And as a child, as a young child,
And as a teenager, and I've talked to many other people too, and this is why a lot of people who are tormented become artists and filmmakers and writers.Many of the tormented literary artists, the H.P.
Lovecrafts and the Edgar Allen Poe's, they had these astral things and they had trauma in their life.And they had it all up here, but you know what?Things were being downloaded to them in their dreams.
And they had elaborate creative minds that could create sceneries and places that they had never been.And, you know, as a writer, I would have this, too.
And when you're when you're in that phase as a Christian and you're going through puberty and your brain is elaborately creating in your head fantasy realms, escape, it's escapism, right?This life is hard.It's it's escapism.
But you have the ability to create worlds that are way more exciting than just the silly movies that you're seeing.And a lot of these realms are probably real in the sense of the astral realm.They're being put into your mind.
What gets really hard then is when you start learning the stuff in scripture about taking every thought captive and understanding that the mind is really the battlefield and all that.Because what God created,
for our safety and our protection and for our good can be hijacked by the enemy to create escapism.And even that can be an open door.
Because when we practice and indulge in extreme fantasy and escapism, and for the younger people, that would be called shifting or reality shifting what you're doing at night where you're trying to get into the different metaverses and the Harry Potter world and all this stuff.
What we're talking about there with extreme escapism is it's a form of self-loathing.It's a form of self-hatred.I hate my own life so much.And a lot of people that get through that, they become antisocial.
They stay at home and they literally will sit like zombies in their chair, just like the thinker post.They'll just sit there for hours in their own mind because they've created this world.And now technology is catching up to that.
And now we've got the VR and the AR and it's going to expand. what is dangerous and door opening about extreme fantasy and extreme escapism.And I'm not talking about sex stuff, guys.I'm not talking about sexual fantasies.
We hear the word fantasy and everybody goes to sex.I just mean you're envisioning I'm in my own little world.I'm an elf living in the trees in the Lord of the Rings world.And I'm a beautiful princess and I have these powers.
I'm immortal and all this stuff. When we live in a fantasy instead of a real life, the message that we're sending to the God who created us is, this world you created for me is boring.It's terrible.It's hurtful.
I don't get to play the character I wanted to play.I don't look the way I want to look.I'm not the right height.I'm not the right weight.My hair isn't the right color. It's actually a very subtle form of rebellion.
And then when you read verses in scripture that say rebellion is as witchcraft, and then you wonder why does this type of rebellion open these occultic and new age doors?Rebellion is as witchcraft.
And so I just, I'm going to throw it over to you guys.I'm just going to say this one last point.
that verse in scripture that says, finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever's pure, whatever's lovely, whatever's noble, whatever's excellent and of good repute, you know, depending on your translation.
Think about these things, you know, when we think about these things, we have peace, we have contentment, we have joy.When we think about that, we often overlook the word true.
We're thinking, okay, I gotta think about things that are pure and lovely, you know, because again, Everybody's thinking about, oh, my thoughts are sexual and dirty and whatever.
What does it mean to think about things that are true when we live in a world of non-reality?And in fact, I can't remember what word it is, but I can't remember if it's the Greek or the Hebrew.
If you do a deep etymological plunge into the word truth and you get really deep into it, one of its definitions is basically the opposite of non-reality.
And in our day and age, especially with all of the technology and the role playing games, and I'm not even just talking to the video games, I mean like these role playing games where you've got the board and the magic cards and people play the game some days and the D and D and all that stuff.
When we basically live in a non-reality world.And I'm not going to the extreme of the matrix where we're all plugged into chairs somewhere, though I love the theories of the simulation and I'm not opposed to something like that being true.
My opposition with the simulation theory is I don't care if this is real, I don't care how you, if we have no idea what real is, if real is this world or the dream world or a metaverse or a simulation, no matter what real is,
we will be held accountable.
And I think sometimes that's why people want to create these other things, because then they think somehow, well, if I'm asleep, I'm not accountable.Oh, you're accountable.So interesting.When I think about what it means to think about what is true.
And that brings peace and that brings me protection.Part of
meditating all day long on things that are true, it doesn't just mean meditating on scripture all day, it means that as Babylon is throwing us all of these possibilities, hey, there's ayahuasca, there's psychedelics, there is video games, there's VR goggles, there's Netflix, everything that's being offered to us is a form of escapism, so we don't have to deal with the monotony of our boring life.
And when you begin to embrace the fantasy world more than the real world, you are never going to have that peace that passes human understanding or that contentment or that peace with God, because the formula for joy and contentment in your life is thinking about things that are true and everything that's being thrown at us
right now is in opposition to that.The things that are thrown at us are virtual.We're getting virtual.And so those are just a few of my thoughts about that.But anyway, I don't want to totally dominate, so I'll throw it back to you guys.
Yeah, well, I would say, first of all, thank you for that discourse.That was incredible.And I would encourage our listeners to go back and re-listen to the last 30 minutes.
There's a lot of really great stuff.
But the problem that I'm noticing, too, is that there's an extreme disconnect, in particular with our younger generation, with the truth.
And they look at biblical narrative, historic biblical narrative and futurism in any generation, in any viewpoint like a thousand year reign or just heaven in general, the return of Christ as fantasy.
And they, for some reason, they choose to kind of bunch that in with the other fantasies like Harry Potter and all that.And it just, it robs them of an anchor or a rock that they can build their life on in that truth. That's what I'm seeing.
And these are kids that are raised in Christian homes that have been taught the truth and prayed over and have confessed Christ in themselves.You had mentioned earlier about talking about the spiritual attacks.
And one of the things that I wanted to differentiate, if you could help me, is you mentioned astral plane. and spiritual, what is the difference between the spiritual realm and astral realm?Are they one and the same in your mind or?
No, no.Okay.This is really, really good because this is where so many Christians and non-Christians have it unclear in their head.And because of it, people are being very deceived.
And I'm not the type of person that likes to argue for argument's sake. I will pick up an argument if someone's soul is at stake.
So when I'm online, I'm in a comment section or I'm in my Instagram.I have zero desire to argue with people.And when people come at me with a different worldview, I understand that not everyone was raised in a Christian home their entire life.
And I have my own experiences. So I don't really have a lot of angst towards people who have a different opinion than I do.Right.But where and I don't enjoy confrontation.I'm a Scandinavian introvert.I don't I just want to be visible in the corner.
You know, so if I actually.Reply to a comment and I'm saying agree to disagree.What you don't understand, unless you really know me, is I must really
love you because I'm putting every single piece of me out of my comfort zone to create potential rejection or conflict because the thing that you're believing is going to lead to your death.So when I do come back at people, it's because I
I have compassion that they're being deceived.And my angst isn't towards them, it's towards these entities that are deceiving them, that harass me my whole life, right?That's my enemy.My enemy is not flesh and blood.
So here's kind of a real layman's, I could get super esoteric and complicated on you guys, but I'm gonna keep it as simple as possible.The spirit realm, for me is every single thing outside of the terrestrial realm.
And some of that stuff we know about, because there's hints of it in the Bible and hints of it in apocryphal literature, but I think that there's a lot of things that fall outside of our little terrestrial world that we've never heard of or even thought of, right?
So I consider the spirit realm to be every single thing outside of our little bubble, right?Now, the astral realm is a little corner of that.
The Bible actually talks about the astral realm, and that's why I try to tell Christians don't get triggered by the word astral.Yeah, the New Age have taken that, but let's understand what the word actually means so that we're not ignorant.
In Ephesians 6-12, where it talks about the battle not being against flesh and blood, and then it mentions all of these occupants of the heavenly places or the high places, right?
the archons and the principalities, and depending on your translation, it uses different terminology.The word in Greek for the heavenly places or the high places is epourenios, okay?And if you do a deep dive into epourenios,
and say, you go to the Thayer's Lexicon, where you can look up the exact verse that you're looking at, and instead of a generic definition, it's gonna give you contextually exactly how that word is being used.
In the context of Ephesians 6.12, Epurrenios is referring literally to the heaven in between the throne room, or the third heaven of 2 Corinthians that Paul talks about, in between the third heaven and the terrestrial plane where we live.
So it's not the sky full of all the stars that we see at night.It's not the throne room.Obviously, it's not the throne room.You think the throne room, all the archons, right?But here's what's really interesting.You've got these heavenly places.
Now, when we talk about the astral plane, we talk about it singular, astral plane, but the Bible, has it as a plural word, high place, heavenly places.And this is what comes into play.
If you've ever heard New Agers talk, they talk about levels of the astral, right?And the lower astral is where all the scumbags hang out and you gotta get out there as quickly as possible.
And then supposedly, if you take the escalator up to the next level, friends are waiting for you, right?So I think that the reason why
the heavenly places is both singular and plural is because the astral realm is one area of the spiritual realm, but it's plural because there are many levels within it.But the fact that Ephesians 6.12 encompasses all of it as one realm
is to protect us from the very crafty lie that some of the levels are good.No, the whole thing is crawling with archons and principalities and spiritual forces of wickedness in the high places, right?So here's an interesting thing.
One more point about this verse, and you're gonna love this.In some of the translations that talk about the forces of darkness, awesome word in the Greek.It's the word skotos, S-K-O-T-O-S, if you phonetically writing that in English.
Skotos, which means darkness, right?In the plain sense, it would have the same definition as we in English, you know, darkness, evil, wickedness, sin, temptation, you know, all that stuff.
But again, if you go into Thayer's and you look into the context specifically of Ephesians 6.12, this will blow your mind.The darkness
incorporates an idea that the darkness is able to exist or succeed because it is banking on human ignorance of divine things.How specific is that?You get that out of the word.Yes.So what I sounds like the garden.Exactly.
So what I try, try unsuccessfully to convince my new age friends of is the reason why you think that there's aspects or levels
of the astral realm, where there's higher vibrational beings that love you, that care about you, that wanna give you knowledge and information, that wanna give you pleasure, that wanna help you, or that you're helping them, or they wanna teach you.
The reason why you come back from an altered state of consciousness, believing something completely above your pay grade to know,
The reason why you're 100% convinced by your emotional experience and can't be convinced otherwise is because you are ignorant of divine things and they know it and they're banking on your limitations.They are in essence pulling up in a van
and saying, hey, little kid, I got some candy.You want the candy?They are the astral peas, right?I can't say the word.I don't want you guys to get.They are the guys that pull up in their vans when you're in the astral realm.
and they offer you candy and you're in the back of their van eating all that candy and you have no idea what's going to happen by the time that van gets to the final destination and you get pulled out of the van.And you know what?
You can be in the back of that van eating candy for five years, 10 years, 50 years.You can be a guru.You can be an influencer.You can still be thinking you are just a God up there.
And the reason why some people get discarded very quickly and other people can be stuck in this for a very long time, is it depends on how useful you are to them.
If they put you through the training and the grooming process and you're of no value to them, you're lazy or you don't have any giftings or you're in it for yourself, if you're not willing to be a faithful little thrall to their agenda, they will have no use for you.
But if you are gonna get online and you're gonna peddle all of their doctrines for them and you're gonna get millions of users and people are gonna be buying your patches and your frequency patches and your candles, you are gonna,
You are going to be blind to this till the day you die.They're not going to let go of you.And it's not because they love you.It's because they need you.They can't come down here anymore.They tried that once and they got in big trouble.
The whole place got flooded.Their buddies got put in this.They're not allowed to come down here anymore.But they are.They are. They are going to continue their agenda.They will continue teaching the mysteries of heaven to man.
They will continue teaching us how to make weapons out of antimony.Now they're just teaching us how to make computer chips and things instead, right?
They still have secret knowledge that they want to teach mankind that will be used for our own destruction. but they know they can't come down here.
So their little loophole, their little legal loophole is if you guys come up here, we can't get in trouble for it.You came up here, you came on our turf.
And so another aspect of sleep paralysis, just to wrap this up, is when they come to the door, they want to see who's going to give them an invitation Who's gonna interact with them?Who's gonna take the bait?
Because as soon as you enter into a threshold covenant with them, because they come over the threshold of your bedroom door, and then you're crossing the threshold into the astral.
Once you enter into these threshold binding blood covenant, threshold covenants with them, you are then at their mercy.So it's just moths to the flame. It's moths to the flame.
And these Christians that night after night are saying in the name of Jesus, get out in the name of Jesus, get out.They're the ones that are saying, I do not consent.I do not give you invitation.
But because they have the legal right, because there's still doors open that haven't been closed, they're going to keep coming and they're going to keep coming in hopes to wear that person out either physically till their death to their death or get them to turn away from God.
I talk to weary saints all the time that say, I must not be a real Christian or this will go away.My faith must not be strong.God must not be powerful because it won't go away.He can't vanquish these things.
It's a very tricky cycle once you get wrapped up in it.
Yeah.Rosie, you had something you were going to ask.
I have so many thoughts.That was great as well.I really appreciated everything and it's been a, it's really in line with a lot of stuff I've just been thinking about for the last couple of years.
I'm just going to rattle off like some things that I really appreciated the difference between the astral realm and the spiritual realm because it, that's something I always equated the two.Um, and we can talk off air.
I relate to, I know I didn't get to hop in earlier, but, uh, yeah, We can talk off air.I really appreciate that.And I think I've talked about it before, um, on the podcast.Well, yeah, definitely.I did whole episodes about psychedelics.
So I talked about that, but I really relate to, uh, like when I was, uh, I started, you, you know, using particular psychedelics, strong ones too, for that exact reason of, uh, the way you described it was, is how I described it.
I was creating a world that I could go to because it was, you better.And then I wanted to be in and the the drugs really helped.
You know, I kind of said like, you know, my imagination, I was able to kind of build the rafters and then in the foundations of like a house, and the psychedelics were able to let me just
fill it with all kinds of stuff and really make it more of a home, if you will.But the, um, yeah, that's so crazy.And the, sorry, there's so many thoughts.
One of the things that, um, really struck me is, uh, and I don't think it's, I don't think it's a coincidence that you're using the term Archon, but immediately when you were talking about the difference of truth and all that, like literally one of the earliest, uh,
the tricks that the devil play, you know, there's these kind of, we've talked about two major kind of delusions against Christianity, you know, from the start of what is true is there's one that's like this legalist kind of thing that gets into Hebrew roots and all that other stuff.
And then, and then there's the Gnostic version.And that was from Satan in the garden, the first thing that God really say that and the tree of knowledge, you know, there's all these kinds of things.
But one of the very first things that, especially with the Greeks, when Paul was writing, like he was, there's a whole
tons of polemical work that he wrote in the Bible against Gnostics, against the Neoplatonist kind of thought that was creeping into the church.The early church fathers wrote a lot against all this stuff.
So that's really interesting and I really appreciated that.And this is, I think I've talked about this before, this is kind of one of these far out ideas, but
this idea I've always had with like the elites right and this isn't my own I found it from somebody else but it really resonated with me is to tie it into like the ritual abuse and why would you know some elite family continue to do just this terrible stuff because you know at the end of the day like there's only so many I don't want to say gifts or things that they can get on this earth right you
can get all the money in the world at the end of the day, you know, the difference between 100 billion, you know, practically speaking in 300 billion is not much you can buy whatever you want.
So there has to be something more that they continuously go after.And they know they're going to die.So that's part of why they're trying to defeat death.But I got turned on to this idea.And I really believe it that
when certain of these elites, they're able to actually go and they're welcomed into what you would say the astral realm.And I think that's a lot of like how they get power.And when you're describing it, it's almost like that's Baltimore, right?
That's the bad area.You know, it's don't go in there because it's dangerous, but there may be You know, or like, I was thinking like this super complex from like, you know, Judge Dredd, where it's just these huge cities that are in a building.Yeah.
And the layers as you go up, but you know, would be like, when you're talking about that, I'm like, that makes so much sense.Because you know, what you can't buy with like $300 billion here is
penthouse in that bad neighborhood, you know, where everything's good, and you can escape past time, you can live, you know, not forever there.But, you know, what if time was different?
And that kind of all ties it back into why these people keep doing these things?Yes.So I really appreciate that.And the same thing that when you're talking about, I really appreciated that the the
it tied in with the Gnosticism of, you know, that that's the whole thing of that, the, the God who put us here is actually the demiurge, you know, he's the one the evil one that is trying to trap us here.
And we can elevate through knowledge and stuff inverted, inverted.Yeah.And, um, Yeah, I just I really appreciated everything you said about that that really ties together a lot of kind of disparate thoughts that I've had Very cool.
Yeah, did you have before I keep going?
Well, yeah, I was gonna you know, how does like to practically, like understand this, how does a person, okay, wait, two questions.I'm sorry, I'm kind of, it's been a while since we've podcasted, so I'm not on my A game.
The first thing is, is I wanted to ask you a question about this threshold thing that you were talking about with invited, like the first thought that came to my mind when you mentioned it was sort of the old vampire lore, where it's like, if he can't come in until you invite him in, and once you invite him in, your neck is his treat, you know, or whatever.
but if you're a believer that own the house that your parents are renting.But what about, like, I'll use my family as an example.My wife and I, we raised our children in the truth.We were believers.When we got married, our children were believers.
They all confessed Christ and we prayed with them.They were all baptized.They were all trusting in the Lord.And yet all three of my kids experienced this phenomenon of
It's not even a phenomenon, a spiritual attack of sleep paralysis, all three of them.And we had prayed over our house, although my prayers over houses, Rosie and I, we have a hilarious story about where I prayed.
He was seeing weird things, hearing things, and so I went- Lived in a haunted house as well.Yeah.I went to his house and we prayed.We anointed with oil and we came back.
And there was like a handprint where we had, like a miniature handprint where we had put oil on the door and it was almost like it was mocking me, mocking us in our prayers to ask the Holy Spirit to just fill that room and that house, you know, and occupy it.
But how does, so to my question is, how does it Like, it can't force itself into a believer, right?I mean, a believer is sealed, Ephesians 6, or Ephesians 4, when it talks about, you know, the Holy Spirit, we're sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
How does it get that access?Is it just ignorance?Like, what's, I'm a little confused about it.
Yeah, yeah.Okay, so you'll be thrilled when you do read the book all of Chapter 4 is about that question.Chapter 4 is called Threshold Covenants and Astral Vampires.
It might be called Astral Vampires and Threshold Covenants, but it goes all the way into the similarities between the vampires and the invitation.
Before I answer that question, and I'm going to answer that question thoroughly, I want to do a little bit of housecleaning just, you know, to sum up some of the things that Rosie just said.First of all, just for anyone listening who is perhaps
into the new age, or there is a verse in the Bible that is very confusing to people who aren't biblically well-read, and that is, we can astral project because Paul talks about a guy in the third heaven.
So I just want you guys to know, from a scholarship point of view, that we already talked about the Epireneos, which is the astral realm, and when Paul talks about the man, who is probably him,
who goes into the third heaven, that word for heaven in that context of 2 Corinthians is urenos.So epirenios, urenos, you can tell that they're related words, but they are not the same word.It's not a conjugation of the same word.
We're talking about a second heaven and a third heaven.So the fact that Paul, against his will, was invited and brought up into the third heaven is not the same thing as you purposely navigating your way into the second heaven.
So if you want to go into the astral realm and you've got all your reasons for doing that, that's fine, but please do not use second Corinthians as a proof text, because anyone who knows the word, God is going to climb all over you.
Okay, so the other thing that I wanted to say, Rosie, direct connection to what you were just talking about, but then I want to get into the threshold stuff.When we're talking about what is motivating these elites to do horrible,
horrible conscience searing criminal things just for money and fame and political positions and what?And you're exactly right about the astral realm and they have access to it and they have access to higher levels than the deplorables do.
And they do have invincibility and healing properties.And there are gods in those kingdoms and things like that.And that's the big lie. They're willing to sell their soul in the physical realm, so to speak.
I mean, it's sort of the same thing that we do as Christians.We're willing to lay down our lives here and give up a lot of things because we know in heaven we're gonna have these other things.It's the same thing here.
I'm willing to do a whole bunch of stuff down here in the physical realm that's unsavory because I'm a god in this other realm and I'm checked out most of the time living in that realm, which a lot of them are.
I'm talking about the high up elites who we've never even heard of.But here's the deal.There's an interesting passage in Revelation where Satan is let out of the abyss or Zazel's let out or Apollyon, you know, whatever name you want to go by.
I'm not going to haggle over that.Some guy we don't want out of the abyss is coming out of the abyss, right?But we know that Satan is bound for a thousand years and that he's let out.And what's really interesting is at this point in time,
It says that he is pretty much wiped out by the brightness of his coming in a split second.In other words, there's no glory for him.He gets out and it's like, bam, anticlimactic, just fade to black.
But there's another portion in scripture that talks about how, I don't know if it's the beast, I believe that the beast raises up 10 very powerful kings on the earth.
If we think about the elites, all of these elites who think they're one of those 10, right?That's in the human heart.The disciples even thought about it.Who's greater in the kingdom?
So all of these elite people are cloying for that one of those 10 thrones is going to give to them, right?So they're willing to do all of his bidding and all this disgusting stuff that we're hearing about with the kids and everything.
They're willing to do all that because they're vying for what they believe.I'm going to sit on a throne for eternity with the ruler of this kingdom.So whatever I do down here, I count it all as loss, right?
They count it all as loss because they believe they're in the running to sit on one of these 10 thrones.
But what's interesting is, if you read Revelation carefully, when it starts to get really intense on the earth, the 10 kings give their power to the beast.Because he doesn't have enough. you know, oh look at the polar, right?
When he really comes against Jesus Christ in his full power and glory.This is just something right off the top of my head and I could be totally wrong.I don't think anyone, including Satan, has ever seen Jesus Christ turned up to full power.
So right now he's on stun and he's either gonna turn him up to kill right like no Satan thinks he knows what he's dealing with So he's amassing an army that he believes is gonna do it and then when Jesus comes back He's gonna realize that he is he is vastly outmatched and in a desperate last-ditch effort the kings that earned those ten thrones are either going to give or forfeit and
or have it stolen from them, which makes more sense because Satan is a thief, right?
So to the elites out there, not that I expect you to be listening to my silly stuff, to the elites out there, even if you are one of the 10 chosen ones who sits with pomp and authority on a throne over all the kingdoms of the world,
you're gonna have that power for a split second.It's gonna be stolen from you and you're gonna be ashes. It's right in the scriptures.You're gonna give your power over to the one who gave it to you because he didn't give it to you.
He's gonna take it back.He's going to renege on it.You can't expect someone who has spent a millennium breaking promises to keep a promise he's made you.You know, Adam and Eve never saw godhood. He didn't fulfill that promise.
He's not going to give it to you either.So anyway, I wanted to just kind of close the notes on that.So back to the threshold stuff.My entire chapter four is on this.You hit the nail right on the head.This is vampiric.
This is where we get our vampire lore.It's what it's based on. Vampire lore is fictionalized, romanticized caricature of what's happening in these demonic and spiritual realms. So now we have dumbed everything down.
We talk about these entities, we say demons, hat man, shadow man, it's very vague, right?
But if you go all the way back to the beginning of time, or to the beginning of written history as we know it, you go back to the Akkadians, the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, you go back to Epic of Gilgamesh and stone tablets and things like that.
We have stories of demigods, such as Gilgamesh, who had a watcher-like angel father and a human mother.So he was a Nephilim, he was a demigod.And what we have in these stories are creatures, demons,
whatever you want to call it, they were night demons, night terrors.In Psalm 91, the terror by night, it's the pahad, the Hebrew word pahad, it's the actual name of the demon, the terror by night.And he is, I think, very much,
It wouldn't surprise me if the Shadow Man or the Hat Man is the Picard.
We don't know, I don't know, but when you go into the lore of ancient history, the night demons, which were more frequently female than male, actually, you have this school of beings, and it was all kind of the same thing, but depending on your culture, you would have a different name for it, but the Lamashtu,
the Lamia, the Lilith, the Lilu, Lilitu, you know, they're all just iterations of the same concept.It was this night demon that would creep around the thresholds of your home at night.
And if you didn't have the proper evil eye or the Pazuzu or the right talisman on your threshold, this Lamashu would step over the threshold and would primarily attack Pregnant or nursing women or newborn babies, babies in the crib.
This was their explanation for crib death way back in the day, right?So you see this romanticized in Bram Stoker's Dracula, Lucy with Stenra.Lucy, short for Lucifer maybe, they're never clever.Anytime you see Lucy.
Lucy has, allow me to digress, because this is really going to play into things.Lucy has two suitors.She can choose between two men.She's an elite woman.She's of wealth.
And either of these two men, they're both handsome, they're both rich, she's going to live the life of a socialite the rest of her life. Also interesting, the setting is Hampstead Heath and Hampstead, England is the Beverly Hills of the UK.
It's where a lot of the elite people and the rich people and the celebrities live.So Lucy lives in Hampstead and she has two handsome suitors.So she becomes a vampire and when she comes back as a night demon, she doesn't target
these two handsome men, she targets the children who call her the bloofer lady, which is the, you know, street accent way of saying the beautiful lady, right?She's like a pied piper.
She comes out at night and all these children follow her because she's so beautiful.And then the children, of course, are sick or they become vampires or they die or whatever.Now, here is where we get insight into the threshold, the covenant,
and the sexual aspect of it.We miss it in our modern vernacular.But in Victorian days, you couldn't come right out and write smut.You had to say things a little bit more carefully.
And so the way that erotic sexual behavior between a man and woman was said in a word without being too dicey was wanton.If a woman was wanton, she was forish, she was in the throes of activity, right?
And so when Lucy, pre-vampire Lucy, is with her suitors, the author narrates the wantonness building up inside of her, you know, this anticipation of being married to one of these handsome men.
When she becomes a vampire, and they're describing her with the children, and she is biting their necks.She's doing so wantonly.And so you could say, oh, that's just bloodlust, you know, but look, look at all the vampire movies out there.
They've always been erotic to a certain degree.There's, there's always a, and I go into great detail in my book about this.Even the words for like the biting of the neck, it's, euphemistic for the kissing and the necking and it plays into it.
There's even a cool example that I give in my book where if you actually go into the Hebrew, we have Esau who wants to murder his brother and he cannot because he's forbidden by God to do so.
Now, when he dies, he sends all of his ancestors after him, you know, to this day, right? So what's interesting is when Esau sees his brother Jacob, we interpret it like, oh, they're hugging and they're friends again and everything's great.
You can tell from the text they're not friends again.Jacob can't wait to put distance between him.No, no, no, no.We got too much stuff and I got too many people.We're going to go over here.They could not get away from each other.
But when Esau approaches Jacob, he falls on his neck. And if you study that in the Hebrew, and I'll leave it for those who read chapter four of the book, there is a word play there.
That even though Esau did no harm to his brother, there was something in the guttural instincts of Esau that was murderous and vampiric. And it's very interesting.
Again, we're so divorced from the culture and the context and the history and the language and the geography of the text, we miss all the supernatural stuff.
You would think it was just like he's hugging his neck.Like he fell on his neck, like he's squeezing, my long lost brother, we're back again, you know?
Yeah.You know what's fascinating?If you've even read 10 sleep paralysis stories online, what is the part of the body that they talk about the most?I can't breathe.I can't move.
Yeah. The neck, yeah, they're strangling.
Being choked.They're falling on our neck.So anyway, let's get then into this whole threshold thing.In ancient times, all the way up to the mid-1800s, which less than 200 years ago, they were still practicing threshold covenants all over the world.
There was a Christian man named Henry Clay Trumbull who wrote a trilogy of books on covenants, Threshold Covenant, Blood Covenant, Salt Covenant.They're all great.They're fantastic.
Even though he's a Christian, in fact, he's the great grandfather of Elizabeth Elliot, I believe. And he was a theologian of types, but he's not writing the books from a biblical perspective.
He is literally documenting history because he saw these traditions falling out of the cultural traditions.And so he wanted to document them for future generations.So Trumbull, in his book on the Threshold Covenant, explains how
If you go all the way back in time, we were originally meant to be an agrarian society, right?We were all farmers.We had our own plot of land.We had our own home.There was no city.There was no city gates.That all came in after the Watchers.
This idea of gathering people into cities, it was a bad idea back then, and it's still causing us trouble, right?
What that meant wasn't that everybody had a garden and nobody had GMO food.What it meant was that your home was your temple, and the patriarch of the home was the high priest.The altar of the home was Anish the Hearth.
Okay, so the hearthstone would be put outside because in way back in the day when they lived in caves or other things, you didn't want the fire too close to the house.It'd be smoke inhalation, you know.
So the hearth was kept at a safe distance away from the home, which was actually from a spiritual warfare standpoint and from a strategy standpoint really wise because if that's the altar of your home where you're offering
offerings up to unknown gods or false gods or gods that, you know, deities that were angry.You don't want that near your house with your, your wife and your wife.
So you dealt those deities as the man of the house and as the high priest and whatever came upon house came upon you, you took the wrath and your family, at least the state in the, in the home.
So as time goes by and domiciles get a little bit more civilized, The hearthstone became the threshold.And the hearthstone was where they would do the sacrifices and the blood.
This is where they would do their hospitality rituals, where they would slaughter the lamb or the goat or the animal.And when someone crossed over the threshold into your home, they were crossing over blood.
You're always assuming when someone crosses over the threshold, you're crossing over blood.And that blood spilled was the promise of the high priest of that home. that as long as you're in my home, you're going to be safe.I'm going to protect you.
No one's going to hurt you.You're going to be as a blood born son or daughter in my home.And we see this in scripture all over.We see this with lot.
He wouldn't let the angels out because when he invited them into his home, there was a threshold covenant there.He probably slaughtered an animal to make dinner with them.They cross the threshold.They broke bread together.
A bread is a carrier of salt.Salt is another type of covenant.Um, So Lot had no choice.I mean, I'm not about to defend what in the world he was doing with offering up his virgin daughters.Maybe he knew they wouldn't have an interest.I don't know.
But the fact is he was not going to let those men out of his house because he blood covenanted with them that no harm would come to a hair of their head.
Sorry, I don't want to derail you too much.Does that have anything to do with why Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt?Is there any connection?
It's very possible.Salt, salt was the poor man's blood covenant.It was, you know, cause blood and salt both stand for life.Cause we, the blood and salt in our bodies, it sustains us.And so I'll give you a really cool example of this in scripture.
Again, we're divorced from the culture.So we miss stuff like this.When Jesus dipped the bread, and gave it to all of his disciples.It was during Passover, so we know he was eating unleavened bread.
So they were dipping the bread probably in like a type of a fish sauce that was salty so that the bread would have some flavor, because unleavened bread isn't super tasty.So what he was doing there was blood covenanting with all of them.
And we know this because right after this ceremony or during this same ceremony, he says all of the things that go along with the blood covenant. I go to prepare a place for you where you cannot come.He's talking about providing a home for them.
This is betrothal language.We're now engaged because we took this covenant.I'm gonna go and I'm gonna prepare a house for you.Then I'm gonna come back and get you.And then as a bride, I'm gonna carry you over the threshold.
So this is all threshold bride language.So when Judas got up to betray him, he did more than just turn his friend in. He broke a salt covenant because Jesus dipped that bread in the fish sauce.Judas took it and ate it.
They took a salt covenant, which means I will die for you.Jesus kept the covenant because he died for him.Judas broke it.He betrayed him.And this was well known in times of history.
If you look at the famous Da Vinci painting of the Last Supper, which is filled with Masonic stuff, by the way.
Judas is the one with his hand on the table holding the bag of coins, but if you notice, right at his forearm, there's a little jar tipped over and salt is spread out on the table.
Yep, the salt is spilled, he broke the salt covenant.Wow.So the reason why all this is important, you know, a lot of times when I babble like this and people are like, what does that do, sleep paralysis?
Like, this has everything to do with it, but you have to understand, we are the first culture to be completely divorced from this pertinent information. When we invite entities over our threshold, we are covenanting with them.
That's why it's important.I hear all these people now in the fringe community like, if I saw a portal, I'd walk through it.
It's like, if you walk through a portal, you're crossing a threshold into a liminal space and you have just covenanted whatever is on the other side of that.And it's not always easy to break those covenants.So here's the deal.
You're bait at that point.
Exactly, exactly. So these entities, to answer your question, how can they come to people who are Christians or who prayed the prayer?Well, here's a basic answer and then I'll give you the more in-depth answer.
If you're using Psalm 91 as a guide, becoming a Christian or proclaiming yourself as a Christian or praying a prayer at a Billy Graham conference, This is not what seals our souls in eternity.
What seals our souls is when we come into covenant with Jesus Christ.And what's interesting about Psalm 91 is verse nine is the linchpin.There's all these promises in Psalm 91 of nothing that's ever gonna touch us, right?
Where we fail to properly understand Psalm 91 is all of the promises of Psalm 91, all of that protection isn't for Christians. It's for people in covenant.Verse nine, because I have made Yahweh my dwelling place.Dot, dot, dot.
So all of the promises that come before and after that verse, everything hinges on that verse nine.
So the terrors by night and all of these things that are occurring by the plagues that are striking and the serpents and all of these things coming after us. What does it mean to make Yahweh your dwelling place?
It means you cross over the threshold, painted with his blood, you step into his home, you break bread with him.So there's a threshold covenant, a blood covenant, and a salt covenant, all in that.
In Revelation 320, you have a blood covenant, a threshold covenant, and a salt covenant.Behold us at the door of God. If anyone gives me the vampiric invitation, right?Jesus is looking for the permission.
I can't barge in because what happens if Jesus doesn't come through the front gate?He's a thief or a robber.
He's not a knock and he can't come in.And so we have to hear him knocking.We have to recognize his voice.So we have to be one of his sheep.We have to hear his voice.We have to go to the door.We have to open it.We have to invite him in.
He crosses the threshold. and then he breaks bread with us.It's the salt covenant.So let's break down.Everything has to do with covenant, sleep paralysis, astral projection, becoming a Christian, salvation, the bridal supper of the lamb.
Everything is a covenant.Everything's about covenant.And we should know that the world we live in, everything's a contract.Can't even buy a phone or a car.You can't do anything without a contract, right?We live in a contractual world and that is
at play in the spirit realm as well.So when we say I am a Christian, this is what it should mean, okay?It doesn't mean you go to church.It doesn't mean you listen to K-love instead of secular music.It doesn't mean I don't party.
It doesn't mean I prayed a prayer once.What it means is I died. Okay, this old man died.And the new person that now lives has heard the savior at the door, opened the door, invited him in, shut the door and broke bread.
You are now in a betrothal covenant.So what's intriguing about this idea of the covenant and the old man dying to the old man.Here we have vampire lore again. There are two ways.
If you sell your soul to Satan, if you invite the vampire in over the threshold, there's two ways to get out of it.You lose the bargain and die.Contracts all break at death till death do us part, right?That's a covenant.Death cuts off all covenant.
So if you want to get out of covenant, you can die and suffer the consequences.The way to only way to get out of a covenant without breaking the covenant is to die.So why is the metaphor of salvation that we die?
Does it just mean we don't listen to rock music anymore?No, when we die, the reason we're dying to the old man is because it's the only legal way to break the covenant.And in vampire lore, the only way to legally break a vampire covenant
is if you own the deed of your home and you sign the deed of the home over to a new owner.You can't make this stuff up, you guys.That's vampire lore.That's on the Vampire Diaries WB website, right?
So what you got here is when you covenant with Jesus Christ, you shut and lock the door and you don't look at Babylon anymore. And you are in a protective tent, a tabernacle, tabernacling with us, right?That's what his name even means.
He's tabernacling with us.He's sworn on his own blood to protect us.And when we are in that covenant, I am now married to you.I'm never gonna commit adultery.I'm not gonna cheat on you and keep going back to the world.
I'm gonna kill my sin and I'm not gonna abuse your grace.And I am gonna sell everything I own because the treasure buried in the field is more important.And I'm gonna, I'm going to speak your face and I'm going to long for your coming.
And when, when the seven eyes of the spirit range throughout the earth, looking for one person whose heart is fully committed to him, I'm going to be that person.That's a far cry from being a Christian, right?
So when, when you look at that definition and then you wonder why so many Christians have paranormal activity and sleep paralysis and these enemies, Look, the enemy prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
So our house isn't exempt.He's gonna be prowling around our thresholds too.
And if you've got that door open, if there's an unconfessed sin or if there is some ancestral legwork you haven't done, if you haven't prayed to the source of what opened that door and asked God in the heavenly realms to break those covenants,
Here's a prayer I pray.I'm going to tell this one thing and then I'm going to bat it back to you guys.Another thing that happens, and it's not fair, but it's about as fair as what the serpent did to Adam and Eve in the garden.
We know that we can be tricked, right?So what happens is a lot of Christians who are faithful to the Lord, who would never break covenant with him while they're awake,
They are tricked into breaking covenant with him in the dream world, in the astral realm.They're pulled out of their bodies into this astral realm during these sleep paralysis experiences.
And you'll see covenant language in your dreams sometimes if you remember them.You've got people, Alice in Wonderland kind of stuff.Drink this, here, drink this.No, take it.No, you'll love it.No, it's okay.Eat this, and it's cake.
It's honey, tea, coffee, milk, wine.These things are being offered to you.
you're being coaxed over thresholds, you're being shot up with things, or you're on a medical table, or you're signing something, like you're in a marriage ceremony, there's all of these.
Anytime you have a dream like that, that has any sort of a whiff of a metaphor of a covenant, or an oath, or an agreement, or a vow, or a promise you're making, do warfare when you wake up.And so I'm gonna leave it on this.
When I get up in the morning, Take this from Numbers chapter 30.So it's in the Torah.There's this weird passage in there about vows and oaths.
And it says that if you're a dude and you make an oath before God, it's sealed, signs sealed, delivered, there's no covering.If you're a divorced woman and you make an oath, you don't have a covering.
So signs, sorry, sorry lady, you know, sucks for you. You're no getting out of it.
But if you are a married woman or you're a virgin daughter living in your father or your brother's home, your husband, your father, or your brother can disavow you of oaths that you made.
So it's not, it's not apples for apples because we're not talking about oaths we made to God.We're talking about oaths that were made to false gods, right?But here's what I pray.This is the good news.If you take,
the physical aspect of that law, and you turn it on its head to the spiritual ramifications.We all, male and female, married, single, divorced, married, every single one of us has a father in heaven.Every single one of us has a bridegroom in heaven.
All of us have two people in the heavenly realm that can disavow us of any oath, covenant, contract, vow, promise, agreement, So when I wake up in the morning, sometimes I have a memory of the dream.Sometimes I have a fragment of a memory.
Sometimes I have no memory.So I just say, Father, as my father, Jesus, as my bridegroom, if I made any oaths, vows, covenants, agreements, you know, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.Will you on the day that you heard of it, which is right now,
Disavow me of any covenants made and bring me back over the threshold into your tent to dwell safely with you.I do not consent to any other covenant.I have vowed to make Yahweh my dwelling place in the name of Jesus.
You know, praise the spirit leads, that's not that prayer isn't formulaic.
You can plead the blood, you can do what you want, but I do, this is where I get a little antsy when people start talking about all the celebrities that have sold their soul to the devil and there's no way out of it.Yes, there is.
Amen, amen. When you were mentioning the salt, and first of all, thank you for that, because my follow-up question was gonna be, what can we do?What practically can we do if we find ourself in these situations?
Especially as a parent with a young child or something that's experiencing these.The one thing that when you were mentioning the salt that crossed my mind is when Jesus himself spoke and he said, he says, you are the salt of the earth.
And he says, if salt loses its saltiness, what is it good for?It will be thrown out. and trampled by the world.And I just think that when you were talking about the salt covenant and how it functions as life, I mean, we've got that in us.
It's been placed in us, this life of Christ, this covenant relationship of life.It is the only true source of life.And if it loses its saltiness, in other words, as Revelation 3, if you lose your first love,
you know, and you grow distant in that way, you've lost your saltiness.And it's almost like you've disavowed your covenant in some ways.And God will, and you know, throughout the scriptures, God's always more faithful than Israel.
He's always more faithful than his servants, than the ones he's called and saved and rescued and redeemed.So I always know I can trust in his faithful.He's not gonna abandon me, you know, in my weakness. He's not gonna cast me aside.
I don't think that's what Jesus was referring to in that situation, but that's what crossed my mind anyways.I just wanted to bring that up.
Yeah, we are a visualization on earth of the covenant.We're covenant people.And so for those who have eyes to see in this broken, fallen world, we are the salt because we are the representations of that covenant that he made with us.
And it's interesting that those who trample on that covenant are trampled, because if you go into Revelation and you see the fate of the wicked, they're squashed in the wine presses.They're trampled.So it's all interconnected.
I love the way Revelation connects with all of this.And it's all over if you're looking for it. Another verse that I quote often regarding this covenant is Song of Solomon 5.2.You've got an allegory there.
It's Solomon and a bride, but it's also us and the bridegroom.And you've got a bride who is asleep, but her heart is awake.That's how Song of Solomon 5.2 starts.We're talking sleep paralysis there.
You're in that altered state where you're asleep, but you are consciously aware you're tapped into your conscious mind, and the bridegroom knocks on the door.And that's Revelation 320 right there.
And I tell people, with Revelation 320, again, we're separated from the culture and the context, so we messed up.
We always, when we hear Revelation 320, most of us conjure up in our mind the little bookmark we got in Sunday school when we were five years old of Jesus knocking on the door at night in his
glowing Greek robe needing a cup of sugar or something, I don't know.
I know that.I have that.I have that.
I actually like it.I'm sorry.
Well, I got mine in Sunday School.It was a bookmark and the cross glowed in the dark.Yeah.But what's culturally and contextually wrong about the painting is Jesus is not in a rabbinical robe.He is in the garb of a bridegroom.
You need to picture him, in our culture, he would be in a tuxedo.He's not knocking at the outside of our front door, because he lost his key.He's actually already inside of our house, because we've already let him in, right?This is revelation.
This is end times.I hope we're not letting him in that late in the game.He's already in the holly place, right? What he's actually doing there is he's knocking on the door of the inner chamber, which is a euphemism for the honeymoon suite, right?
He's in the inner chamber in his tux saying, are you ready?You know, the bride is back there preparing herself, putting on her perfume and getting into her nightie.And it
It's controversial because everything in Christian has to be scrubbed up in Victorian, you know, but this is a bridegroom.
Full of zeal and anticipation on his honeymoon night, knocking on the inner chamber, wanting to see this bride that has spent their whole life preparing themselves to be presented to the king.So that's what it means to be incumbent with him.
You're the one behind the bridal door. doing everything in your power like, I can't wait till he sees me.You're doing everything back there to prepare yourself and he's on the other side of it, knocking.
So Revelation 3.20, dude, that's not some guy who forgot his key.That is a honeymoon verse.
Yeah, it's a consummate moment.
It is, it is, which is why so many people have sexual experiences with the sleep paralysis.It's a perversion.It's an assault of the bride rather than a consummation.They come to your bedroom door.
They trick themselves into invitation by getting you to be afraid because fear is a sin.We have to conquer our fear.We have nothing to fear.No weapon formed against us will prosper.All those who rise against us will fall, right?
So if we are in a moment unprepared for the battle and this thing comes to the door and we give into that fear, it crosses the threshold and then it consummates.And for some, again, for some people think that consummation is a really cool thing.
I'm a chosen one.There's a different agenda for you.But for those of us who love the Lord and these things have gained access, that consummation will be an assault.
Yeah.And side note, I loved when you verbally painted the picture of a bride being carried across the threshold.Uh, can anyone say rapture when Jesus gathers the church and carries her into the kingdom?
Yeah.Yep.I, I've got some real cool ideas.I'm just going to throw a teaser out there.I got some really cool ideas about stone 27 being a eschatological prophetic poem about how the bride is hidden during the bowls of wrath.
Oh cool.Love it.I have to check it out, Psalm 27.
You'll read it in a totally different light if you think this is how God's going to protect me from the wrath.
Wow.Vicki Joy, I love you.
Yes. I could go for another hour, however long we can go.
You can't see me because I'm off the camera of the zoom call.But I'm like, if you can see my eyes, I'm a little bit weepy.And I'm just full of like, encouragement and joy right now.Just it's, This is something that I think people need to know.
We cannot fall for these lies and live under this veil of deception.It needs to be torn out from and the truth needs to become presented and we need to live in that radically without fear.And these are the days
And we need to pray hard for our kids and pray hard for our spouses and our loved ones because there's too many people that don't know these things and they're just entangled.And the enemy is just having a field day.
And you know, third John says that the world is his, it lays in his lap of Satan.So he's been, you know, it's literally, he's been at work since the beginning and he's got it, he knows us.You know, I was talking, I have a,
Uh, I think it was a reel or something I did on Instagram one time, but it was, I went hunting a while back and this guy was, he knew exactly where the deer were going to come through in this field.
And not because we had hunted there before, but because he had studied deer so much and he'd hunted so much, he knew exactly what their habits were and what they were inclined to do based on the geography and the time of day and all of that stuff, even the temperature.
And he set us up right in the perfect spot to get a kill shot. when the deer came over.And I killed my first deer because of his knowledge and experience, right?
Satan has been sniping lives and the demons have been sniping lives forever, you know, since the garden.And it's nothing new to them, but God's given us weapons of warfare and he's given us wisdom from above.
and he's given us truth that's unchanging.And it's just, we have everything we need for life and godliness in Christ Jesus.Like, we've got it.Let's just live in it, you know?
Amen, amen.You know, we talk, especially nowadays, everything is so eschatological and it's the end of the world and, you know, all this stuff.So we talk about the Antichrist ad nauseum.
But we need to just change that vernacular a little bit more so that we know what's really at stake. it's really an anti-bridegroom, because it's a bridegroom that's coming back.
You know, Christ is coming back, yes, but the bridegroom is really who's coming back.And so it is someone posing as, not so much as a Messiah, so much as posing as the bridegroom, right?And so when you look at Jeremiah 29, 11, 13, you know,
you, if you seek him, you will find him if you seek him with your whole heart.That's what Jesus wants.He wants our whole heart, not just parts of it.So when you look at Satan, and we all talk about, oh, Satan sold our soul.Satan wants our soul.
Satan doesn't want our soul.He doesn't need it.He has no use for it.He could care less about it.He doesn't value it.He wants our heart, because that's what the bridegroom wants.He wants our So that's what he's after.He's after our affections.
And so we are dealing with anti-bride grooms.They're trying to steal our affection, affection that belongs to Christ.And that's why we have 10 million distractions in our everyday life right now.
Everything to take us away from the word, away from prayer, away from fasting, away from sanctification, away from from all these things, the meditation, all this stuff that we need to do, Jesus wants our heart.And so does Satan.
We have, you know, it's the rule of a patrol covenant.You're married to one guy at a time.And so you got to choose today who you're going to marry.
Amen, amen.Well said, that's awesome.The anti-bridegroom, it's like the best man that had eyes for the bride and calls her on the night of her wedding.Hey, you're not married yet.We've always been close.He'll never know.
Man, it makes so much sense.That was awesome.
There's just so much stuff that like it to to even tie it back to like Sleep paralysis and another this doesn't but like it that just when you at the end of there it really tied it full circle because like I was thinking about
you know, we don't have children that listen to this podcast.So we're okay.And we're marked explicit so that they can come after us, even though we're not we're not explicit at all.
But like, I, the bed, that's why it's like it's so it's such an intimate place, like true intimacy. with a partner is, you know, intimacy is not sex.It is the nakedness, vulnerability, vulnerable with someone.
And that's the, you know, in the bedroom has always been that kind of idea or that place where yeah, yeah, and totally separate.It's just interesting wording that the world is in Satan's lap.
Mmm, you know that has some connotation as soon as you read that I was like Yeah, okay.Yeah, like, you know that make that I don't think that that's a something like an accident.Yeah, but it Yeah, this man Thank you.
I'm like, there's so many thoughts and it's just like so perfectly poetic and has just really You know, I talked about as a kid, you know, using substances to kind of rebuild, you know, make this world more prettier.
And the way that you just summed up, like, that was like coloring, and enriched my idea of relationship with Christ, like it really did, like, in such a level that I will not be.I'll be thinking about this for a while.
I mean, what is paradigm shifting?And I just really thank you for that.
That was absolutely thank you for giving me the platform to do so because you know, I think we have such an awesome opportunity as as podcasters and people that are on podcasts.
We have the world's attention now because even people who aren't interested in the Bible are really interested in the Nephilim and the cryptids and all that.But we have to look at these podcasts as, you know, the podcast audience is Mars Hill.
And our podcast platform is that one idol to the unknown God.Like we know there's probably something else out here, but what is it?So yeah, we all have our little esoteric corner of research.And I can talk about sleep paralysis and I can go.
fully esoteric, if you want, and get into all sorts of crazy stuff.But what we have to see as believers, we have to see it like, I'll whet your appetite.We'll talk about this dog man who was cryptid or whatever.
But what all of us have to do with this area of interest is we have to ask, what is this mimicking?What is it mocking?What is it bastardizing?What in scripture, what reality, what beautiful reality in scripture is this a mockery of?
And then we use the mockery as a lead-in to bam.We share the truth because at the end of a podcast, I want the shadow people and the sleep paralysis to be the part of the podcast that no one even remembers listening to.
They go away pumped up thinking like, oh my gosh, I had no idea the Bible was this exciting.I had no idea Jesus was cool.And so if I have accomplished that in any small way, glory to God because he is the one that deserves all of our
Attention and the only thing I want these shadow people to do for me is I want to I want to use their backs to to to as a roadway to bring people to to the king, you know, they don't deserve our attention.They are nobody's.
Yeah.Amen.Love it.So true.Love it.And you're doing it.You're doing it.
I mean, you, you, I, you know, obviously I'm saved.I walk with Christ, but you did, you, you accomplished that with me.You know, I have a deeper understanding for sure in many ways.
So if even one person that's, that's, we always say, if we can only reach one person to Christ,
I'm preaching to my own soul to you guys.I mean, I don't necessarily go down this avenue in every single podcast I've ever done, but we do go down this avenue quite a bit.
And every time I hear myself saying it, it's like I'm reading a love letter to my own soul, like to be melodramatic.But every time I say it, it's like, oh my gosh, this is so incredible what he's he's done for us.
And so, um, I never tire of talking about it.
So Vicki joy, where can our listeners find you?
Yeah, absolutely.You can get me at Vicki joy, Anderson.com, which is my website.And all of my events are there.If you want to see, um, upcoming podcasts or places I'm going to be, I'm going to be a bunch of places in 2024.
I'm going to be in Ohio a couple of times.I'll be in Kentucky.I'll be in Branson. That's all on my website.If you want to listen to this podcast or any other podcast I've been on, I post all of those on the media page as well.
You can get me on Instagram at Vicki Joy Author.Would love to touch base with anybody out there.You can email me, you can DM me.I love to talk to people who are in this situation or who need help.I'm available to you.
And the book, They Only Come Out at Night, Exposing the Dark Weapon of Sleep Paralysis is available on lamarzulli.net.You will not find it on Amazon.And you will also, as of about a week ago, find me on Twitter.
YouTube at Vicki Joy Anderson, all caps.
Awesome.Yeah.We'll put links and yeah, we'll link to everything as well.So, and so when you're on next time, cause you're going to have to come on again.We need to get esoteric.Yeah.
Okay.We will.We can.Cause that's fun too.
If I would have known, I would have planned to break this up and we could have done some for our private sub-stack and stuff like that.
But look, if you're willing, we would love to continue our conversation with you because there's much more to unpack here.Yes.And I feel like we've just kind of hit the tip of the iceberg on some of these things.
And I want you to know that you are making a difference.Everything you shared tonight is making a huge difference.And I'm just thankful that you're obedient to the Lord.And I know He's speaking through you.There's no question in my mind.
And just as we prayed before that God would speak through this podcast, He used you tonight.And I think many people are going to be affected by your words, and I pray they are.
I want to encourage any listener, if you are being affected by these things, these paralysis moments and the spiritual warfare, reach out to Vicki. Get her book, you know, read up, get yourself equipped and stand in Christ.
Make yourself in covenant and live in that covenant with Him because that's the way out.And so I just want to encourage, you know, any listener to do that.But we will have you again and I'll reach out to you soon.
When we will.This is... Yeah, stay on after we... Yeah, don't hang up.
But we will... Rosie, anything you want to close with? God is good.He is, amen.So we'll catch you guys next time on All That War.See you.
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