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Episode: True Super Bowl Contenders, RIP Niners, Savior Penix, and the End for Rodgers (But Not for Russ) with Cousin Sal

Author: The Ringer
Duration: 01:41:04

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The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss Josh Allen's mounting MVP case, and the continuation of the 49ers' season from hell after falling to the Bills (2:16). Then, they talk Ravens-Eagles, Bengals-Steelers, Falcons-Chargers, and the Snakebitten Jets (20:30). They wonder who is the NFL's new worst

head coach, discuss Trevor Lawrence taking a scary hit vs. the Texans, the Bryce Young renaissance, Cardinals-Vikings, and the still confounding NFC West (46:57). Finally, they guess the lines for NFL Week 14, and close the show with Parent Corner (1:04:21). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In this episode of The Bill Simmons Podcast, Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal analyze the Thanksgiving weekend football matches, focusing on Josh Allen's MVP candidacy following the 49ers' struggles. The hosts discuss the impacts of weather conditions on player performance, notably Christian McCaffrey's challenges in snow. There's a detailed examination of the playoff picture, including the chances of teams like the Buffalo Bills, Ravens, and Steelers. Additionally, the hosts evaluate emerging quarterbacks like Bryce Young and debate the future of veteran players such as Aaron Rodgers. The episode culminates with predictions for NFL Week 14, emphasizing the unpredictability of the league.

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And it just, like, we lost our studio. Thanksgiving week, I have a bunch of stuff at the beginning of this week and it just doesn't look like. we're going to be able to tape a podcast. So we might take the week off, but here's the thing.

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We've done, I think, 365 movies. A bunch of them are on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel. We have seven years worth of podcasts to listen to.

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And I would just encourage you to go back if you miss us on the Rewatchables, just go back and listen to one of the old ones. Or you can watch Yacht Rock, a documentary on Max, because that documentary premiered on Friday.

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And people loved it, I was fired up. People really liked it and it's doing well. And you can just go, instead of listening to the Rewatchables, just go watch our Yacht Rock documentary. But I apologize, we'll be back next week.

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I'm also gonna be in Denver with Rusillo this week. We are doing a live show. It's already sold out, but really look forward to going. I think we're going to the Nuggets game on Tuesday night as well to see Jokic in his own domain in Denver.

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So that's gonna be super fun. Coming up on this podcast, Cousin Sal and I are gonna break down everything that happened today and across the week. Always a strange three Thursday games, a Friday game, all the Sunday games.

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So we're gonna try to remember everything that happened, see where it stands and where it's headed. It's all next, First Star Friends.

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project.

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We are live on YouTube. We are live on the BS podcast. Cousin Sal is here. It is 8 15 p.m. Feels a little early for us on a Sunday night, right?

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Yeah, they did a nice job of just running and running and running the ball so that we can get out early and talk about the sloppy, sloppy game. But. But, uh, Bill, forget Hallie Steinfeld. I'm going to marry Josh Allen right now.

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I'll think he threw a pass and he caught it for a TD bike. Same play. I've never seen that. I don't care if my son, Jack is freezing his balls off on the field. I'm going to marry that Josh out. You watch.

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My son Jack is like Jack Torrance, freezing to death in a chair. Yeah, Snow, second time in a week and a half for us. It felt a little less special after Brown Steelers, but it was still really fun. Do you like it? You like the game? I don't know.

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I mean, after we watched football for 10 hours, it was fun to have a wrinkle of a game that actually looked a little bit different. And the big thing was,

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This McCaffrey, them playing him in those conditions, we don't know, we're taping this and we don't know how badly he got hurt, but he limped off, it didn't look great. There were injury doctors studying, did his calf jiggle and all this stuff.

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I don't know why they played him. It wasn't a game I thought they really had a lot of a chance to win. Buffalo was like a touchdown favorite. It wasn't a game that necessarily made or broke their season, because they have a bunch of stuff later.

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And it just felt like, even watching it, I was surprised they didn't talk about it more in the lead up to the game than the first quarter, right? Because he didn't seem healthy the last couple of weeks.

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I think the problem with these games, well, first of all, with these snow games, it's like, it's either gonna be six to three, right? Which is like kind of disappointing, or it's gonna be like we just saw where everybody's sliding for nine yards.

00:05:46 Speaker_04
Like, dude, this is backyard football right now. And so I think they put them in there because they know, I mean, who's better at like quick stepping through holes than McCaffrey? If he's healthy. If he's healthy, yeah.

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I mean, he was looking good early on, but yeah, they got smoked. I mean, Josh Allen's just perfect for that one.

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Tough fantasy thing if you had him. You're counting on him for a Sunday night. Tough for the Niners fans, the year from hell is officially happening. But I was thinking like playing McCaffrey in that kind of weather.

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It would have been like at the, how many people did you have for Thanksgiving? So if you said, hey, all the relatives over 70, let's all start doing shots. Somebody would have said bad idea. Don't do that.

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Yeah, but we did it anyway.

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You did it anyway.

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It was Apple cider.

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McCaffrey and the Snow, same thing. I was trying to think, if Achilles is trending on Twitter, which it was today, would he have been like minus 400 for Achilles trending on a Sunday?

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I would add him, couple other suspects, like people who have already had Achilles injuries, like Rogers, Kevin Durant, but I think he would have been the favorite.

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That's a really good, could we bet on that, something like that? Like trending topics, like if sucking the life out of a team is all right, Aaron Rodgers, minus 3,500. Or is it Bryce Young? No, he was actually good today.

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Well, they just have the word. Sometimes it'll just be like Rodgers, and you just know something bad happened. This one, Achilles, not great. My wife waited, my wife came in and watched. Some of the game, she thought the weather was unfair.

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She thought it was an advantage for Buffalo and she doesn't understand why they would want to have advantages in the games. And I was like, well, that's why we have the phrase home field advantage. She's like, but why wouldn't they build?

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It snows in Buffalo every year. She went to school in upstate New York. She's like, it's the weather's terrible. Why wouldn't they have like a stadium with a roof? I was like, no, you don't get it. That's, they actually want this. This is great for them.

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Like they have this team from Northern California coming in and playing in shitty conditions. That's what you want if you're a Bills fan, right? Absolutely.

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No doubt about it.

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You went to college up there.

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I mean, you saw some of this. The second place team is the Dolphins. We saw enough, you know, they weren't in Buffalo this week, but we know that strategically, that's of course how you do it.

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Yeah, I went up, that lake effect snow is a real goddamn thing. But yeah, they'll have the advantage for as long as, I mean, they've never sucked in the snow, right? So that's all you need to know.

00:08:24 Speaker_03
No, it just feels like Allen, Snow, Home, Night Game. I put Buffalo, I had them in a couple of teases. It just seemed like I'd be shocked if this didn't somehow work out for them.

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You, I'm starting to see from your demeanor something bad might have happened today. No. What do you mean? Did you have everything go?

00:08:43 Speaker_04
No, we're fine. I had a battle back. I mean, I know this is not the way to do it, but Ohio State just crushed me. I thought that I had a 14 money line parlay, but I'm thankful because had the lions blown it like they

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should have, maybe, had the Chiefs blown it like they should have. I would have doubled and tripled up on Ohio State money line, probably with something else.

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But no, my only loser was the Ravens, and I know we'll get to that, but that was such a bummer of a game.

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That was my only loser, too. I did well today. Got a little luck, you know? I felt like some of the 50-50 games swung my way. Really glad I didn't have any money in that Tampa game, because that seemed like a nightmare, even though they covered.

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Buffalo going 10 and two now. They're still in the two seed. Pittsburgh now nine and three. Two up in the loss column over Baltimore, and yet the odds for that division are kind of weirdly close for where I thought that was going to be.

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Like the Steelers are only like, what, plus 125 and Baltimore's plus 155. Oh yeah, Pittsburgh's minus 155, Baltimore's plus 125. They play each other again and they both have that weird Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Christmas game comedy.

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And I don't think they know how to do the odds for that.

00:10:01 Speaker_04
No, I think you're right, but looking, and you look at the same games I do, I think the Steelers home for the Browns next week is the last time they're gonna be favored, right?

00:10:10 Speaker_04
So that's why I think it's so tight, but I don't even know what with the Ravens, like they. Well, save that, because I wanna talk Ravens.

00:10:18 Speaker_03
So Pittsburgh has Cleveland home, then at Philly, at Baltimore on a Saturday. Underdog, yep. KC home Christmas, and then home Cincinnati week 18. Baltimore is a buy, they have the Giants away, Pittsburgh home, Houston home on Christmas, Cleveland home.

00:10:37 Speaker_03
So they finished with three in a row. The reason I bring this up in the context of Buffalo is because I really want that two seed if I'm in the AFC. And Buffalo right now is the game advantage.

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And it feels like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, however this plays out, I don't think either of those teams catches Buffalo the way this is going. Buffalo, they put a pass to race. I want the two seed.

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I want to play Denver or whoever as the seventh seed in that first game. I want a home game, I want the 2-3 in the second round potentially. And the two seed sounds great if I'm Buffalo.

00:11:15 Speaker_04
Absolutely. And we saw what Buffalo did to Pittsburgh at home last year, right? They canceled the game 14 times and then finally played it and they won by two touchdowns.

00:11:23 Speaker_04
It'd be similar to, maybe not similar to what we saw today, but, um, yeah, you definitely want home field if you're an outdoor team like that.

00:11:31 Speaker_03
Well, yeah. And especially this year with that seven seat, but they're also a game behind KC. who, you know, that Black Friday game feels like it happened five weeks ago. But KC, just yet another pulling it out of their assholes game.

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They're somehow 11 and one. Nobody feels good about it. This last one really feels like of all the, Isaiah Likely is a 10 on a scale of one to 10. If I can't believe you won that game, the foot on the line. The Black Friday was probably like an eight.

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It was the Raiders, it was Antonio Pierce, it was Aiden O'Connell. There were things I didn't love about it, if you're scared for them losing, but they somehow steal it. I have no idea how they're 11 and one.

00:12:16 Speaker_03
They were doing these stats about how it's happened four times ever where a team has won this many games by seven points or less. They're already making history and there's four weeks left.

00:12:26 Speaker_04
Yeah, their point differential should be about plus 330 and I think it's plus 54. But I have a bigger statement to make. I think, Kyle, can you turn on the MySpace camera right now? I feel, did he turn it on? It's always hard to tell. The Chiefs,

00:12:42 Speaker_04
will be the first great team whose legacy is affected by their impact on gambling. I feel like no one back in the day would care if the 70s Steelers or the 80s 49ers covered the spread, but it's a big deal now.

00:12:59 Speaker_04
And even though they won on Friday, games like that leave a bad taste in your mouth, and I feel like they're a great team, but they're not gonna be remembered like your Patriots are, even if they get to that many Super Bowls.

00:13:10 Speaker_04
Dammit, I just couldn't win money off of them. I could never do it, I don't know why. So many people bet on them, that's just how it is these days.

00:13:17 Speaker_03
It's a great point, I looked it up, because in our picks poll that we have, I would never bet on the Raiders. That line was so high, it was 12 and a half, and I was like, man.

00:13:27 Speaker_03
It just doesn't seem like the Chiefs are reliable double figures over anybody. What have they been like the last couple of years? You go back this year and last year and it's just, they don't have a lot of blowout wins.

00:13:37 Speaker_03
It's not like the typical, like a game like today where Buffalo just beats hell out of somebody. But they have a way of hanging around and just figuring it out. We've been talking about it for, for months and months.

00:13:48 Speaker_03
It was somebody who texted, I'm blowing this with some friend. Probably Hench. Just say Hench. I'm sure it was. No, cause this is a wrestling thing. He wouldn't have.

00:13:59 Speaker_04
Oh yeah.

00:14:00 Speaker_03
It's the Chiefs have become a wrestling finish team. Oh. Where it's like, like remember Hogan in the mid eighties and every Hogan match was the same for five years where the guy would beat him up, beat him up.

00:14:13 Speaker_03
Then he would hulk up and the guy would beat him up and then he'd hulk up again and be like, Oh, he's Maybe this is the time he's not going to win. And then he'd suddenly he'd flip it. He'd do the leg drop and he'd win.

00:14:22 Speaker_03
That's kind of what the chiefs have been doing for two years now.

00:14:26 Speaker_04
Interesting. See, I'd compare it to like a weird finish, like a roll up from behind when the referee is not looking or when the manager distracts the guy, it's like, Oh, like a Mr. Fuji salt in the face. Oh, how did they pull that out?

00:14:39 Speaker_04
That's ridiculous. The crowd was pumped. It was, it was eaten. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. So yeah. Salt to the eyes.

00:14:47 Speaker_03
You've been doing a lot of media. You were up today, what were we doing, our Sunday pregame? 11 o'clock? You were on there, yep. I came on at nine o'clock. I had like an hour, but you've been doing a lot of media today.

00:15:00 Speaker_03
We have been doing really well in the pregame show, and John Jastrzemski is just becoming the weak link. I don't know what we do. Do we whack him? Do we do it like Pesci style? Hey, JJ, you're getting made. You're in the ringer, you're getting made.

00:15:15 Speaker_03
And he just walks into a room and there's just plastic on the floor. He ruined, everybody hit the same game, touchdown bet today. Anytime touchdown, three for four. Nope, JJ had Kenneth Walker. What do we do? Do we pull him for a week? Do we bench him?

00:15:29 Speaker_03
Do we bring in another host? What do we do?

00:15:31 Speaker_04
I'm going to laugh extra hard because you have no idea how seriously he's going to take this. I know. Yo, bro, was this serious? He's not going to have a great sense of humor about this. And I love him. But yeah, I don't know. JJ, we're kidding.

00:15:46 Speaker_04
I mean, Bill's not kidding, but I'm kidding.

00:15:48 Speaker_03
No, it is good. It's good to have a common barometer for the normal betting as we ascend above with all of our cryptics. No, I feel like he'll turn around.

00:15:57 Speaker_03
In general, like I said it when I was on the show today, the gravitating toward the bad teams, especially this time of year, unless it's like a straight money line play like the Panthers.

00:16:08 Speaker_03
I just like House was saying, should we throw the Tennessee in the tees? It's like, I don't want to put Tennessee. I'd never put them in the tees. I don't trust Will Levis.

00:16:16 Speaker_04
that would have been over before.

00:16:16 Speaker_03
There's certain teams that are just like, I don't trust.

00:16:19 Speaker_04
I get it, but there is some value. My best bet was your Patriots over 20 and a half. I don't want to have to worry if they won or something. I know, but for God's sakes, we should have had that in the second quarter, right?

00:16:30 Speaker_04
But two touchdowns called back and missed field goals and everything else. So there's a little bit of value. It's scary because most of the time you're rooting for bad quarterbacks, but your quarterback is damn good.

00:16:39 Speaker_04
I'm sure you've set aside 20 minutes for this. No, I didn't.

00:16:43 Speaker_03
We're not going to talk about it today. I will say I was happy that you were rooting for the Pats to get to 20 points and got to see what we've seen all year with that Pats team, with the coaching and the strategy.

00:16:55 Speaker_03
And like Drake May, every time we went back to pass, it was just a nine to 15 yard completion of somebody. Or he would just run for 40 yards. And then they're like, you know what, we're just gonna hand the ball off now for another 10 minutes.

00:17:07 Speaker_04
Well, he saw a soft zone, and I'm sure he would love to see that every week, but, and he got the ball out of his hand quickly, like two and a half seconds or less the whole time.

00:17:17 Speaker_04
But I do want to ask you, were you, I know you root against him at this point, because you want a better draft pick. Yeah. 68-yard field goal would have been pretty cool.

00:17:25 Speaker_03
It was moronic. It was some 30 degrees outside. What are the odds he's going to make that? It almost made it. He missed it by seven yards. He did? Yeah. I would rather do the Hail Mary.

00:17:35 Speaker_03
It like landed seven yards in front of the goalpost, which means to actually clear it. I must assume he put it around. Nobody's making that. There's not a kicker in the league that can make that. So Rudy texted us during this that

00:17:48 Speaker_03
Shanahan said McCaffrey has probably a season-ending PCL injury, so it's a knee injury. Oh, Jesus. Tough one. That's really tough. The official year from hell for the Niners, and somehow they are not out of it.

00:18:03 Speaker_03
One more Bills Niners topic is this now feels like Allen's MVP to lose. I feel like we've used the MVP to lose dot dot dot with different players this year, but now there's only five weeks left in the season.

00:18:17 Speaker_03
He's going to be a one or a two seed, which is one of the, you know, one of the things that usually has it. And it just seems like I, the way Lamar played today and the Ravens played today and they have five losses. He's got to, I don't know.

00:18:29 Speaker_03
I don't know who's taking that from him. Goff's not going to get

00:18:31 Speaker_04
Well, here's what's interesting. The odds are out, and I think you're right. Lamar kind of played himself out of it today. Goff had that five interception game, and even though he's been good since, he doesn't seem to be able to crawl back in.

00:18:42 Speaker_04
Mahomes is too far behind. Barkley, this is going to be the narrative right now. He's plus 500. He's second to Josh Allen, who's minus 230.

00:18:52 Speaker_03
You know, I know we talked about it last week, and I read some good pieces just in general about how MVP works, and then I forget who made the point, and I was just like, shit, I wish I'd said this a week ago.

00:19:05 Speaker_03
I know Barkley's having a great year, but we can't say he's the MVP of the league. If you just removed him and put an average running back in the Eagles attack, I still think they're a playoff team. If you removed Josh Allen,

00:19:22 Speaker_03
and let's give them, I don't know who's like the 20th QB, let's give them Tyrod Taylor. Are they a 500 team? Probably not. I think the Eagles would be a playoff team no matter who their running back was, as good as Barkley's been.

00:19:39 Speaker_03
So I think to me it's more of an offensive player of the year. And I hate the MVP conversation where it's always like QB has to win, QB has to win. We just have too much evidence how crazy valuable the QB is and everything Allen does we take.

00:19:54 Speaker_03
I don't know how he is an MVP.

00:19:55 Speaker_04
He touches the ball every snap. He has more opportunity to screw up. Obviously he has more opportunity to produce numbers too. But yeah, I think you're right. But two things working against Barkley, he's a running back and two,

00:20:08 Speaker_04
He's part of a team that has the best, most effective play in all of sports, which is the tush push. He's not a factor in it, so what are you gonna do? That said, if he breaks the record, maybe he should be considered.

00:20:24 Speaker_04
If he gets the 600 yards, whatever he needs, next four games.

00:20:29 Speaker_03
Who's your craziest, I know this guy can't win the MVP,

00:20:34 Speaker_03
but he deserves, there should be some sort of separate award for what he's doing this year, God, because mine is Baker Mayfield, who is 201 MVP, and just feels like week after week, there was that month-long stretch when he just had no weapons, he couldn't name a single receiver that he had, rookie running back, their line is, the guys are hurt, they're left tackles out,

00:20:59 Speaker_03
It just feels like he's running for his life every three plays, even today against Carolina. I have no idea how they won that game. But it feels like week to week he's just dragging that team to whatever the potential of the team is, which isn't high.

00:21:13 Speaker_03
And I feel like he should be higher than 201.

00:21:16 Speaker_04
Absolutely. Great energy he brings. Now, he got hurt for a minute and then came in and threw a bad interception, but he fought them back into the game.

00:21:24 Speaker_04
I would say, if I have to pick someone from that, Joe Burrow, because he's losing games at it, just statistically.

00:21:31 Speaker_04
Like, if you look at Brady's numbers, when he put up those numbers versus Burrow, Brady was like, you know, 22-1, and Burrow was like 3-9 or something. So, I don't know what's going on. Probably can't give him MVP, but...

00:21:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, Burrow's been saddled with the worst defense in either conference. Incredible. It's just over and over again, it feels like they're down 17 points. All right, break for the podcast. This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe.

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00:24:36 Speaker_03
Speaking of the Ravens. Same old Ravens? or brand new Eagles, if you had to pick one, because something felt a little different about that Eagles game, especially defensively, that was the most excited I've been about their defense in two years.

00:24:53 Speaker_03
On the flip side, Ravens, you know,

00:24:57 Speaker_03
nine nothing, miss a PAT, lose momentum for whatever reason, fall behind, and it's a team that sometimes when they're behind I just feel like the game's over and they can't move the ball and all of a sudden it feels like they only have one receiver.

00:25:11 Speaker_03
Lamar is just running around and you just watch it going, I feel like I've seen this game and bet on it 20 times and now I'm here again. So which one would you go, same old Ravens or brand new Eagles?

00:25:25 Speaker_04
I don't wanna give the Eagles any credit. So, I mean, I gave them enough just saying they have the most effective play in sports, but I'm gonna say, I'm a cynic, I'm gonna say, same old Ravens, but for different reasons.

00:25:37 Speaker_04
Like, it doesn't make any sense. Like, they got the best free agent of the off season, all right?

00:25:41 Speaker_04
Henry and Barkley are 1A and 1B, but, and now with, you know, with Henry, they can close out games, they have leads, and it's all negated because the greatest kicker of our generation thinks it's funny to bang every boot into the upright.

00:25:57 Speaker_04
Like, it doesn't really make any sense, does it? How are they gonna lose because of this kicker?

00:26:02 Speaker_03
Well, that was part of it, but I felt like he was getting an unfair, he cost them seven points. They couldn't cover A.J. Brown during like a huge swath of that game where it just felt like he was tearing them up.

00:26:16 Speaker_03
I don't know what they were doing offensively with some of the play calling. As usual, they only had one receiver. Aguilar had his typical huge drop at a really pivotal moment. I just didn't think, I didn't think the whole team played well.

00:26:30 Speaker_03
And if Tucker had made all those points,

00:26:34 Speaker_04
They gave up 252 total yards, like 112 and 140.

00:26:38 Speaker_03
The offense had the ball a lot, but didn't seem to ever be really doing anything with it.

00:26:42 Speaker_04
Right, yeah, I know, I know.

00:26:44 Speaker_03
But it felt like when they were up 9-0, 10-0, it felt like they were just gonna, that's when they should be putting teams away, and they went the opposite way on them.

00:26:51 Speaker_04
Yeah, four loss team, up nine nothing, at home, got the fans on their side. I still don't understand the kicking because it all led to everything else.

00:27:00 Speaker_04
Then they had to go for it on fourth and eight because he missed those field goals and he gave the Eagles good field position, whatever. But that tush push is really, do you know of anything else in sports?

00:27:12 Speaker_04
If a bunt down the first baseline worked every single time or if a corner kick in soccer, Or like if you deflected a wrist shot in hockey that went in the net every time. I don't know, I don't think that we've seen anything like it.

00:27:27 Speaker_03
I'm trying to think, it's almost like Kareem Skyhook is the only thing I can think of. Yeah, maybe. And even that wasn't nearly as reliable.

00:27:33 Speaker_04
They false start and fumble and still got it and scored. Forget it, it's over.

00:27:39 Speaker_03
Tucker cost him seven points, it was his first three miss game ever. Yeah. For the season though, not as bad as I thought. It just felt, it feels like they're all loud misses. He's 19 for 27 as a kicker. Like pretty, pretty run of the mill average.

00:27:54 Speaker_03
Like I don't think coup in Atlanta is better than that. I like that when you said a loud, do you mean like literally loud? Like the, it just, it feels like every miss like really resonated. It wasn't just like, Oh, it's a random miss.

00:28:06 Speaker_03
They're up 16 in the fourth quarter. It's like every miss felt like it was this pivotal momentum swing in a game, but it's all in this two PATs. He's 42 for 44 PATs. It's not like he's missed a million. Right. But so he's missed 10 kicks total.

00:28:22 Speaker_03
And yet I think I remember nine of them. It's just been one of those seasons. I didn't like how they played, though.

00:28:29 Speaker_03
I feel like if you're up, you have that kind of lead at home against a team, Hertz finishes 11 for 19 for 118 yards, nine for 29 rushing. If you just told me those stats, I'd be like, oh, the Ravens won.

00:28:43 Speaker_03
The explosiveness, other than Zay Flowers or a big Lamar scramble, just doesn't seem to be there unless Henry can bust through, but I really thought the Eagles' defense was excellent. And their D-backs that they drafted.

00:28:57 Speaker_03
Jalen Carter, the fact that he fell to them going back two years ago when all those teams passed on him. They didn't have Brandon Graham today. They still looked like they didn't miss him. But I thought, from what we saw, what are their NFC odds?

00:29:10 Speaker_03
Because we talked about this on the Sunday pregame today. Oh shit, so they were plus 750. I remember looking at that at Thanksgiving after Detroit, who I want to talk about in a second. And I was like, man, Detroit feels vulnerable.

00:29:25 Speaker_03
I wonder who the, and it's like Philly.

00:29:28 Speaker_04
They weren't 750 last week.

00:29:30 Speaker_03
Packers were plus 750, now they're 701. And Philly I think was plus 350, now they're plus 250. That's how it was.

00:29:37 Speaker_02
That makes sense.

00:29:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah. So Philly's now plus 250. And only a game back still from Detroit.

00:29:44 Speaker_04
I know, and you know what? I know everyone wants them, but while they have to get the home field, I just think if that running game is working, they'll win anywhere. I hate to say it.

00:29:53 Speaker_04
In spite of this coach, it's really everything is working out perfectly for him.

00:29:58 Speaker_03
The coach, it seemed, I remember making a joke on Twitter in September about being ready to try to bring him in for the ringer, toast the ringer Philly special after he got fired. It seemed like it was gonna be a wrap.

00:30:09 Speaker_04
And now. Was it on the chain with you? We were talking about has a coach like this made a comeback like before? Like a guy who's a hot seat.

00:30:17 Speaker_03
Yeah, I'm sure it's happened. Well, they've won eight straight. And now you look at their last five. Carolina home, Pittsburgh home, Washington on the road, Dallas home, Giants home. Pittsburgh's probably the toughest of those five.

00:30:30 Speaker_03
But they have a chance to be 13 in a row heading into the playoffs as a two seed or a one seed. Was not expecting that in September.

00:30:38 Speaker_04
Yeah, they're over on their 13 and a half, and the over's minus 245. So they're gonna have two or three losses.

00:30:45 Speaker_03
Ravens had the ball for 34 minutes, they had 24 first downs, they outgamed the Eagles by 120 yards, although a lot of those, that last drive, they had the cheap drive at the end where they went like 80 yards or whatever.

00:30:59 Speaker_03
And they have five losses somehow, the Ravens. Yeah. Would you keep them in your Superbowl circle at this point? I gave you seven teams.

00:31:08 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think you have to, because I think, you know, we talked ourselves into, first of all, we have that AFC division parlay with the Bills, the Ravens, the Texans and the Chiefs.

00:31:17 Speaker_04
And it looks like the Ravens are going to be the tough one, even though, like you said, they're plus 125. But yeah, if they win that division, I'm pretty sure they could win on the road. Like what, what would be their,

00:31:28 Speaker_03
if they went to Buffalo, you would, you would feel you could argue for them if you're going to be a three seed. Yeah. Like you could also just be the five seed and go in and beat the hell out of Houston in the four or five game. Right. Right.

00:31:41 Speaker_03
And then hope. a two seed or a three seed loses. If they don't, just go into KC in round two when they haven't played a meaningful game in like a month.

00:31:50 Speaker_04
Yeah, just try to- Lose by one score or win.

00:31:52 Speaker_03
Yeah. Okay, we know that's what it's gonna be. Well, our friends at FanDuel still have them with the best odds. Detroit plus 290. Buffalo five to one, KC plus 550. Eagles plus 550, Ravens 10 to one. Packers 14 to one I think are the intriguing long shots.

00:32:14 Speaker_04
So that's it, it's those six, right? With a month left, would you say it's those six?

00:32:17 Speaker_03
I would put the Steelers in there. I think the Steelers with the coaching and the defense and the field goal kicker who's been the best guy in the league this year and the fact that they always seem to make two or three big plays.

00:32:30 Speaker_03
There's always like a 40 yard play somewhere. I would have those seven and then I can't really make a case for any other team.

00:32:41 Speaker_04
Nah, that's it, yeah.

00:32:42 Speaker_03
That's it, right? Yeah. Like Chargers, you start looking at it and you're like, eh.

00:32:49 Speaker_04
I don't think that's it. They were not good today. I mean, you had the right side and everything, but I think I told you, I think I told you that game's gonna be 15-13 in the fourth quarter, but it was actually 17-13.

00:33:00 Speaker_04
It was a little more conventional, but same kind of stuff out of them.

00:33:06 Speaker_03
Next topic, next question. Speaking of the Steelers, what were the Russell Wilson comeback player of the year odds? Because I feel like he already has it wrapped. Who is even in the mix? Who else would get it?

00:33:21 Speaker_04
Well, the odds are up. Burrow has been favored like for the last month and he's even odds. And Kyla Murray just jumped ahead of Kirk Cousins now plus 650.

00:33:30 Speaker_03
How has Russell Wilson not come back player of the year? He was dead last year. Denver paid, paid 50 million in their cap to not have him play anymore. And he didn't even start the season and everybody thought Fields was going to be the starter.

00:33:43 Speaker_03
This guy, 414 yards, three touchdowns. He threw a pick six because Pickens got interfered with. They didn't call it. That was a red flag. Since he goes up seven nothing, it's like that was PI. You didn't call it. But I gotta say, I thought he was done.

00:34:00 Speaker_03
Didn't seem like he wanted to get hit last year. And he's kind of rejuvenated himself. I mean, he's not awesome.

00:34:06 Speaker_03
I'm not saying he's Russ from 10 years ago, but for whatever they were expecting from him versus what he's delivering, it has to have surpassed it. I'm all confused now with this. He played the full boat last year, right? Yeah, he was terrible.

00:34:22 Speaker_03
I mean, he got benched for whoever. I don't think you could win.

00:34:25 Speaker_04
His career was over. See, there's a whole discrepancy here whether you could win the award just because you sucked last year. I think you have to come back from it. It has to be an injury?

00:34:33 Speaker_04
Injury or some weird circumstantial, but they still have odds on them, so.

00:34:38 Speaker_03
If you asked 100 football fans what's been the most surprising comeback in 2024, Russell Wilson wins the vote.

00:34:45 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:34:45 Speaker_03
Nobody was like, oh, you know who's gonna be awesome at Pittsburgh? Russell Wilson. I have a good feeling about this guy. I think he's gonna be great. He seemed like he was done. Wouldn't even think he'd start, yeah. Well, you know, I realized this, Sal.

00:34:59 Speaker_03
The 2-7 could be Steelers-Broncos.

00:35:03 Speaker_04
Oh wow, right.

00:35:04 Speaker_03
That's in play. It would involve Buffalo would have to mess something up. Or Denver would somehow jump to six, so maybe it could be a 3-6. But Steelers-Broncos round one would be super fun. Yeah.

00:35:17 Speaker_03
Wilson going against a team that paid him to leave, and then he has to play him in the playoffs. So Tom, on coach of the year, do they have the odds for that?

00:35:27 Speaker_04
Yeah, so I was gonna make a case for that. I don't know that we need to see, although we just went over their schedule on how tough it is the rest of the way, but I think he's the guy. I mean, he's the favorite, they don't have odds up right now.

00:35:40 Speaker_04
He would be my pick right now. I mean, the guy, the fact that he's got nine already, he refuses to go under 500, he's so good after a loss, just doesn't eff up, he really doesn't.

00:35:51 Speaker_03
Who else would it be? I think you could make a case for Sean McDermott, considering all the, change that they had on that team with the coaching staff and some of the injuries.

00:36:00 Speaker_04
I'm just looking because I was- O'Connell's up there. I'm trying to think, who am I missing?

00:36:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, O'Connell's done like rejuvenating, yeah, he's definitely in there. Yeah. Maybe Dave Canales turning Carolina into like a watchable team over the last five weeks.

00:36:14 Speaker_04
The kneecap fighter too, Dan Campbell's, I think he was first last week.

00:36:19 Speaker_03
No, that's a good one. So Wilson is 15 to one to win comeback player of the year. And Kirk Cousins is seven to one.

00:36:27 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:36:28 Speaker_03
Is that true? Yeah. Kurt Cousins, who leads the league in interceptions, is probably going to get benched at some point soon. So Baltimore somehow still plus 125, two wins behind the Steelers or two losses behind the Steelers.

00:36:43 Speaker_03
They have the game at home, right?

00:36:45 Speaker_04
When they match up again, they play home. Yeah.

00:36:47 Speaker_03
You mentioned the Bengals. Is that the most disappointing team for you now? I think so. Their over-under was 10.5 wins, and they're 4-8.

00:36:58 Speaker_04
Yes, I mean, the Niners aren't gonna get to their over on there. My team, of course, personally, I'm most disappointed in my team, I guess. But yeah, the fact that the Bengals and Ravens had 13 combined losses and the calendar just turned to December.

00:37:13 Speaker_04
Jesus. It's rough, man, it's rough. I don't know, that Lulan Aruma, everybody loved him, but I don't know if he's scheming the wrong way, but as much as we like Russ, you can't give up 414 to that guy, you can't.

00:37:27 Speaker_03
Last three games, they gave up 389 yards, 435, 510 today. They've given up 35, 34, 44 last three games. And they give up big plays. I think Wilson had nine, 10 plus yard passes. It just felt like they were moving the ball downfield.

00:37:52 Speaker_03
I don't know, the Burrow thing's strange because he's, You know, he's one of the five or six best QBs by any calculation. He seems like if you were going to. just draft QBs to try to win a Super Bowl, he'd be one of the first ones that went.

00:38:07 Speaker_03
And usually when that happens, the team is at least, he pulls the team to nine wins, 10 wins, no matter who's on the team. This is about as bad as you can do with a quarterback like that.

00:38:16 Speaker_04
Yeah, how about six and six? I mean, just from a betting perspective, like if you back this team, you just get used to the idea that you're almost definitely gonna have the better quarterback and they're gonna lose because the defense is so bad.

00:38:30 Speaker_03
Well, I said that when I came on the, my picks today when I went on Ringer Sunday pregame. I really feel like this Thanksgiving week is the week that teams have been trying to tell us who they are, and we're choosing just not to believe them, right?

00:38:43 Speaker_03
The Niners were like that, the Bengals were like that, the Falcons were definitely like that for me, but there's just, you hit this point and it's like, there's no, oh, maybe this'll be the week.

00:38:54 Speaker_03
Like, we have a three-month track record of behavior at this point.

00:38:59 Speaker_03
You know, pretty, the Saints were a team that I thought, and we talked about it, but it really feels like as soon as Taysom Hill is hurt, injured, whatever, that team just completely falls. Maybe he should have been an MVP candidate.

00:39:12 Speaker_03
They hung around that Rams game, they were winning, even near the end, but that was the only, I was trying to figure out could there be like a four and eight, three and six, three and seven type team, but all of them got wiped out this week.

00:39:23 Speaker_03
The Saints, Miami, the Bengals, I guess maybe Indianapolis would be the only one that, a team with a losing record that's still hanging around, but that's it. Anybody else?

00:39:35 Speaker_04
Yeah, I'm with you. No, I'm trying to think. Tampa Bay.

00:39:37 Speaker_03
The Bears were another one. They're like, oh, maybe the, no.

00:39:40 Speaker_04
Yeah, everyone else is like six or six, and it makes sense that they are. I mean, I guess San Francisco, oh, they were five, what were they, five and six, or are they five and six now? Yeah.

00:39:49 Speaker_00
Yeah, I don't know.

00:39:50 Speaker_04
No, I think you're right. Nobody's coming from the depths. But New Orleans, I feel like with the coach, you have to see what the clogger did in the office, what he did earlier.

00:40:00 Speaker_04
You don't have to see a picture, but I want to know before I bet on the Saints what kind of damage he did.

00:40:07 Speaker_03
Maybe he should tweet that out.

00:40:09 Speaker_04
Yeah, he should.

00:40:10 Speaker_03
Maybe he should do Mexican food the night before or something.

00:40:13 Speaker_04
The player's walking into the stadium like Cam Newton. Oh, he's dialed in. He's got the fedora and the multicolored ascot. It's the same thing for the clogger.

00:40:23 Speaker_03
So, Michael Penix was trending on Twitter today. Speaking of seeing things trending on Twitter and kind of being able to guess what the result was, Kirk Cousins, zero TDs, four picks, including a pick six. He was one away from the full dilemme.

00:40:40 Speaker_03
He is now our interception leader at 13. I think your Darnold bets in jeopardy and he can't move. And they're six and six and it feels like they should be two and 10 or three and nine. Here's my question.

00:40:57 Speaker_03
So they signed Cousins on March 11th and the draft was like six weeks later. Do you think they saw something in that six weeks that made them think they had to draft a QB? What did they say? I don't know. They're just soft tossing at that point.

00:41:12 Speaker_03
They spent all that money on Cousins and then they got some sort of word between March 11th and near the end of the year at the draft that, eh, I know you paid for this guy, but did you know blank or they're working out with him or I don't know.

00:41:30 Speaker_03
Because now I feel like Penix, if you put Penix on the team that we've been watching the last couple of weeks and he's moving around, I actually think they'd have a better chance to win.

00:41:40 Speaker_04
Well, I'll tell you what they may have seen. And it's a good point because, um, at that point in March, they're really just throwing the ball around and stuff if they're even doing that.

00:41:50 Speaker_04
But out of all the terrible quarterback metrics you just read, the one that you didn't was one that was like kind of just invented the next miles per hour, the miles per hour. Kirk Cousins must be like, what the fuck? There's another thing now.

00:42:03 Speaker_04
He did not throw over 36 miles an hour in a minimum 20 attempts. No one's ever done that in a fricking dome. Like no one's ever done that before.

00:42:12 Speaker_03
Yeah. I was trying to think 36 miles an hour. Like nobody could throw a, you couldn't throw a baseball pitch 36 miles an hour. It's like basically impossible. Almost. Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:25 Speaker_03
Um, if I'm going 36 miles an hour on a 35 mile an hour street, I'm probably getting tailgated. Right. If I'm going for going slow. Yeah. If I'm going 35 on the highway, I'm getting pulled over.

00:42:39 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:42:41 Speaker_03
Not one time did he unleash it. So he's clearly not healthy. And he's been terrible for three straight games. He has done a touchdown in three games. Touchdown pass. He's been sacked like seven times. He's six picks.

00:42:54 Speaker_04
It's the easiest pick six in the league if you're throwing 30 miles an hour. I mean the charge is at 100, 187 yards.

00:42:59 Speaker_03
That one he had in the end zone. With the three guys where he kind of like, he lobbed it up like he was trying to throw something on top of a Christmas tree. And it became a contest for who's gonna intercepted, he was so bad in that game.

00:43:14 Speaker_03
Honestly, they had no business losing that game, and he single-handedly lost the game. That is my takeaway from that game. They had no business winning.

00:43:21 Speaker_04
The Chargers had 187 total yards on offense, and I commented that Cousins is throwing the ball like he's having a soft toss catch with his seven-year-old on Turkey Day, like a Turkey Day game in the backyard.

00:43:33 Speaker_03
Like he's coming back from rotator cuff surgery. Chargers had 10 touchdowns, I'm sorry, 10 first downs, 10 touchdowns have been a lot. 10 first downs, 187 yards total, but McConkie had 117 yards receiving. So, go figure that.

00:43:49 Speaker_03
Number 29, I didn't have sound for that game. I had that on the TV on the bottom left in my house. I don't know who number 29 is, but he picked off, he was all over the place. Who was number 29?

00:44:01 Speaker_04
Just some fan with a jersey.

00:44:03 Speaker_03
Some guy? Yeah. Just threw him a jersey? Yeah. But yeah, Atlanta had the ball for 36 minutes and somehow didn't win. I think they should start Penn X next week. And to me, that's not even overreaction. It's like, they're 6-6.

00:44:15 Speaker_03
They still, because they beat Tampa twice, they still have the division in their destiny. And there's no way you can think Cousins is gonna turn this around at this point. Why not play Panics?

00:44:25 Speaker_04
You just gotta do it.

00:44:26 Speaker_03
You gotta suck it up.

00:44:28 Speaker_04
To me, it's like the Russell Wilson thing. Oh, hold on, they're at Minnesota. It's his old team.

00:44:33 Speaker_03
But that makes it worse.

00:44:34 Speaker_04
I know, that's why we have to see it. We have to see it.

00:44:40 Speaker_03
Next question, will you ever trust an old starting QB coming off a torn Achilles ever again after this season with Cousins and Rodgers? Can we now never trust that again now?

00:44:53 Speaker_04
I'm trying to think if there's an age, right? How about 35 and up? Yeah, 35 and up is good, I'm out. I'm out on it for sure.

00:45:03 Speaker_03
You know what I was thinking about? Remember Rogers, when he tore his Achilles in week one last year, and then there was that stuff about how he might be able to come back?

00:45:11 Speaker_04
That year, yeah, last year.

00:45:12 Speaker_03
Yeah, and we were making fun of it on the pod, and I was like, I was trying to think of some crazy thing to do if he actually came back, because it was so ridiculous. He still hasn't been able to come back.

00:45:24 Speaker_03
It's 15 months later, it still sucks, he can't move. He should have come back last year. Yeah, he should have come back last year. He would have been just as good.

00:45:33 Speaker_03
He has not had a three, we're almost at the three year anniversary of his last 300 yard game.

00:45:39 Speaker_04
I love it, I love it.

00:45:40 Speaker_03
It's a week from Friday. Hasn't won a playoff game in four years, turns 41 tomorrow.

00:45:46 Speaker_04
Can I do a couple here from Ben's folks? The Jets are the first team to be favored a nine in the first 12 and end up three and nine or worse. Rogers has had a chance to tie or take the lead five times in the fourth quarter, oh for five.

00:45:59 Speaker_04
I want them to resign. I know we all had Seattle, so this wouldn't have been the game to do it. I kind of want the Jets to have a little bit of a one, two game resurgence, just so they sign them again. I want to see this again.

00:46:13 Speaker_03
So they're three and nine against the spread? 3-9 on the year, right? Are they 3-9 against the spread too, or like 2-10?

00:46:20 Speaker_04
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I think they're also 3-9.

00:46:23 Speaker_03
They've only won one game on a Sunday.

00:46:26 Speaker_04
Right.

00:46:27 Speaker_03
So the 3-9 against the spread, JJ's taken them all nine times. Bro, this is the game. Hey bro, enough, enough. You made your jokes earlier on, that's enough. Jets today, 12 penalties and a pick six.

00:46:44 Speaker_03
And the pick six was especially great because for people who didn't see the game, Rodgers had Wilson wide open on the play before in the end zone and missed him, and then threw the pick six on the next play.

00:46:55 Speaker_03
And probably should have been pulled at that point if they're actually trying to win the game, but they're so scared of him for whatever reason. But Seattle wins a game where in the first half, they gave up a kick touchdown.

00:47:09 Speaker_03
They fumbled on a kickoff twice. They missed the PAT. and their punter was so hurt that they just kept cutting to him.

00:47:18 Speaker_03
and he just kept doing that thing where he just had his hand on his back, and it's like this, and the announcer's like, well, that doesn't seem good. It's like, yeah, it definitely doesn't. This guy's supposed to be the funner.

00:47:29 Speaker_03
Definitely not good that he's like me playing pickup at age 55, and Seattle wins anyway. It was a ridiculous win.

00:47:37 Speaker_03
Their fans are kind of miserable, even though they won, because it was such a bad game for them, and the Jets were just somehow worse, and that was the legacy of that game.

00:47:46 Speaker_04
I'm trying to think of why, I know people hate whatever, me with the Roger stuff, but why would he even... Who hates it? I love it. He's on McAfee every week, and what's the point of even asking him about what he thinks about the future?

00:47:59 Speaker_04
What's your future gonna be like? What kind of old actor? It's like you having an old actor on every week, and who's not been in movies for like 25 years?

00:48:11 Speaker_03
I feel like whoever you say is going to be probably super insulted.

00:48:14 Speaker_04
Is Sean Connery still alive? I don't know. That's good. Sean Connery. Let's use him because he's dead. Sean Connery. You have him on. How about Alec Baldwin?

00:48:21 Speaker_03
We could use him.

00:48:22 Speaker_04
That's a good one. Yeah. Alec, would you do Gladiator 3? And he's like, well, you know, it's really up to the directors and the studio and stuff like that. Like, yeah, no shit.

00:48:31 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:48:31 Speaker_04
Yeah. It's not your call because you don't have it anymore.

00:48:35 Speaker_03
I think his only chance. Belichick loves him. And I think his only chance is if like Belichick got the Vegas job and it was like Belichick and Aaron Rodgers went to Vegas for a year.

00:48:46 Speaker_03
Some team like that where they didn't have a quarterback and Belichick just liked them and then they would turn on each other in like eight weeks. That's how that happened.

00:48:55 Speaker_04
That'd be fun.

00:48:57 Speaker_03
He's done though. It happens. We've watched, you and I are old enough now that we've seen a lot of quarterbacks hit the end.

00:49:05 Speaker_03
And I'll never forget one of my first ones to break my cherry with this was Dan Marino, who I was terrified of for the entire 80s and for the first part of the 90s.

00:49:17 Speaker_03
And then by the time we got to the late 90s and he had had like a torn Achilles and his arm was fucked up and he just wasn't good anymore. And I remember betting against him. and be like, holy shit, I'm betting against Dan Marino.

00:49:32 Speaker_03
This is like fucking touching the third rail on the subway. You're not supposed to, and just doing it and winning and being like, oh my God, I wanna bet against Dan Marino, but this is what happens to old quarterbacks.

00:49:42 Speaker_04
Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson was the pair, right? When Jimmy Johnson was coaching. Yeah, it was scary, but yeah, this happens with pitchers too.

00:49:50 Speaker_04
I mean, I don't wanna make excuses, but Rodgers is just, now he's just looking out for a way to get out gracefully, right?

00:49:58 Speaker_03
It's fake injury time. But I was thinking if they did win this game... how annoying the Tuesday interview would have been, where it was like, hey, you know, we were just out there having fun. You know, football's fun.

00:50:10 Speaker_03
And what we were doing out there, you know, you got all this tension, all this pressure, and we just went out there and we played like we were when we were kids. And it was like, yeah, that happened, but also Seattle made 45 mistakes, special teams.

00:50:25 Speaker_03
That was also super fun. Kuda, I gotta shout out Sean Fantasy. who tweeted on September 9th, 2024, so I have this on the record. I think this jet season will be an epic disappointment.

00:50:40 Speaker_03
Everyone will be fired at its conclusion, and Aaron Rodgers will retire. September 9th, pretty good. Fantasy, good job by him. He was adamant. I gotta say, the whole summer he was adamant that this was gonna end badly.

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00:52:01 Speaker_03
So Eberflues got fired after that Thursday game. And the reason I bring this up off the Jets. Who's the worst coach now? Because I said that Ibrafluous was my favorite bad coach. I really enjoyed him.

00:52:17 Speaker_03
I really enjoyed the Thursday game knowing that they'd probably fuck up that last minute, which they did, and watching things you don't get to normally see. Who's the guy now? Because I haven't narrowed down Antonio Pierce, Coach Middleseat.

00:52:30 Speaker_04
Middleseat's gotta be in there, yeah.

00:52:32 Speaker_03
Or the Jets guy. who's pretty terrible. He's been one of the worst interim coaches we've had. The team's definitely worse. Like, there's no way they'd be this bad with Salah.

00:52:42 Speaker_04
Yeah, we can't count. I don't know if we can count. Can you count him?

00:52:45 Speaker_03
Can you count him?

00:52:46 Speaker_04
Yeah, they have to have the job more than four weeks, five weeks or so.

00:52:49 Speaker_03
Okay. Well, he's bad.

00:52:51 Speaker_04
Yeah. Did you put anyone else in there? Can't even say Sirianni anymore.

00:52:56 Speaker_03
I mean, Mayo's pretty close. You got to see him firsthand today against the Colts.

00:53:01 Speaker_04
My guy's not lighting the world on fire. That's for sure. Is my guy, I don't know, what, do you put him ahead of Miami? That's getting close, too. McDaniel? Yeah.

00:53:15 Speaker_03
At least, yeah, maybe.

00:53:19 Speaker_04
I know we want to blame Tua, and it's fun to blame Tua, but he's got to try to figure out a way to win some of these games. He's got talent on that roster.

00:53:28 Speaker_03
The disc jockey?

00:53:30 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:53:32 Speaker_03
I would have said Pierce before this week, but I actually thought the Raiders played pretty well against the Chiefs. And at least they're smart enough to realize that Brock Bowers is like this generational tight end.

00:53:41 Speaker_03
It's just throwing him the ball every time. It's like Kelsey Cross with Gronk. Yeah, so Coach Middleseed's probably still the worst.

00:53:49 Speaker_04
Yeah, although I found myself feeling bad for him with that late hit, which was insane.

00:53:55 Speaker_03
I'm glad you brought that up. That was worst quarterback hit since when?

00:54:02 Speaker_04
Um, Theismann? No. I don't know, man.

00:54:07 Speaker_03
No, there was a really bad Shrink Green one a while ago, I remember. Oh, right, right, right. There was a bad Flacco one.

00:54:13 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:54:14 Speaker_03
What do we mean Kiki Alonzo?

00:54:15 Speaker_04
Like Dirty or like, cause two of them got rocked.

00:54:18 Speaker_03
Dirty crossed with Oh My Goddess, He's Still Alive. Yeah. Cause that was the first like, oh my God. Right.

00:54:25 Speaker_04
But the penalties offset, you understand.

00:54:27 Speaker_03
Yeah. They gotta figure that out. I've always made this joke when Warren Sapp horse-collared Jerry Rice and blew out every knee leg of it. That shouldn't have just been a 100-yard penalty. You get a touchdown.

00:54:41 Speaker_04
Yeah, or people say that guy can't play until Lawrence plays again. But to hit the guy that retaliates just shoves the player over. Should be less. What is he supposed to do?

00:54:51 Speaker_04
Either he's a pussy for not defending his quarterback or he suffers the same punishment as the headhunter. It's like if you shot my dog and then I slapped you in the face and we both shared a jail cell.

00:55:02 Speaker_03
It's offsetting.

00:55:03 Speaker_04
Yeah, doesn't make sense.

00:55:04 Speaker_03
I would never shoot your dog.

00:55:05 Speaker_04
Thank you.

00:55:06 Speaker_03
You know what it did lead to, other than a really scary moment, a great brawl, a rare, like, we are immediately fighting NFL moment, where it was just like, it really felt like that was gonna keep going and going.

00:55:20 Speaker_03
It led to one of my favorite sentences in NFL discourse. No love lost? There's no place in the game for that, so.

00:55:27 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:31 Speaker_03
There's no place. No place in the game for that. Where are the places for that? Do we have places? Can I go on Google Earth? Where can I just hit a guy when he's not looking and knock him out in my forearm? Are there places?

00:55:45 Speaker_04
The octagon, I guess, but not with pads. Pads and a helmet would be weird. I don't even think there's a place. There's no place. It happens every three weeks in the NFL, but there's no place for it.

00:55:55 Speaker_03
It's not what we teach here. No place for that. That's the cousin of you hate to see that? Hate to see that, hate to see that. Let's go to break. So Jacksonville is two in 10. So is Vegas and so are the Giants. You know college football way more than me.

00:56:12 Speaker_03
Is there a franchise quarterback that you feel like could be on that, at least Drake May level?

00:56:17 Speaker_04
I don't love him this year. I really don't. Sanders? It's fun to say you have Shador Sanders, but I don't really think, I think this is not the year to go two and 15.

00:56:29 Speaker_03
Who would you take, Hunter?

00:56:31 Speaker_04
Yeah, but I think they're going to have to make a decision on him if he's a defensive or offensive player. I think whoever drafts him is not going to have it in mind that he's playing both ways, right?

00:56:41 Speaker_03
If I'm him, I'd wanna go to which position if I was one of the best in the league at, where do I make more money? And I think the answer is receiver, right? If you're a good receiver, you're making 30 to 35 million a year.

00:56:54 Speaker_03
And he could also just play defense. He could be the nickelback on third downs if they wanted to use him that way.

00:57:00 Speaker_04
Can I say this? He's excellent, and believe me, I go nuts when Otani's, people are like, oh, he's not MVP. I'm like, when he's pitching, when he's playing both ways, are you kidding me? There's nothing to compare it to.

00:57:11 Speaker_04
For sure, Hunter should be the Heisman winner, but I've never seen a coach try to win an award for a player more than Deion Sanders is. Like, they're throwing to him on fourth and 31 when they're up 21 points.

00:57:22 Speaker_03
Just the pad stats. Oh, yeah.

00:57:24 Speaker_04
It's crazy. He's gonna get it done.

00:57:27 Speaker_03
Like LeBron going 29 and 16 in Utah tonight. Utah's like, we just wanna get Cooper flagged. Knock yourself out, buddy. Next question, could Bryce Youngwin come back player of the year just from what he came back from in the same season?

00:57:44 Speaker_04
Well, again, we'd have to get the stipulations. It wasn't an injury?

00:57:48 Speaker_03
Well, I suggest a new award. And maybe Russell Wilson could've qualified for this too. The Austin Powers I Found My Mojo Award. then the nominees would basically be Russell Wilson and Bryce Young, right?

00:58:01 Speaker_03
Maybe Baker Mayfield, although he was good last year. Bryce Young looked like he was being bullied in school and he lost his dog and his parents got divorced in like week five. Even they cut him, he just looked so sad, like your heart broke for him.

00:58:18 Speaker_03
It was like, oh man, this guy's like a bust. And now today, he was really good in that Tampa game. You know, it's not like he has a shitload to work with.

00:58:29 Speaker_03
Uh, and I thought his demeanor, it was all, it was the guy from Alabama walk around his chest out, making plays, creating stuff out. I'm glad that he's not a bus because we need more quarterbacks.

00:58:41 Speaker_04
I'm with you, I'm torn, and I think you are too, if you'll be honest, because it's nice to have a team to bet against every week, safely, you know? But yeah, I want him to be good, right?

00:58:51 Speaker_04
But the bad teams always figure out an effed up way to lose, don't they?

00:58:57 Speaker_03
Today was one of the worst, how did you lose that game losses? They basically, if Hubbard doesn't fumble, they probably win.

00:59:04 Speaker_04
Tampa handed it to them by getting that field goal, and then they came down, but I really, they're like, all right, you're not giving me much, Tampa, but we're still gonna, it's like when your mom comes over, right, and she, like all you have in the cupboard is like Goldfish crackers and Nutella, and she somehow whips up a veal parmesan.

00:59:21 Speaker_04
Yeah, it's like, wait, how'd you do that? It's like the bad team, by the way, to lose. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's more fluff than Nutella, but yeah, she does.

00:59:31 Speaker_03
I'll tell you this where Carolina reached. I looked at Tampa all week. I thought about putting them in parlays and teases or just doing Carolina straight up first half game. I mean, I'm sorry, Tampa first half game.

00:59:44 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:59:46 Speaker_03
Stayed away. All right. Cause I was like, Carolina has been good for four straight weeks here. And I, I, they make me nervous. I'm not going against them. And rightfully so they were good again.

00:59:58 Speaker_04
We crapped on Atlanta for good reason, but that is really tight now. Minus one 45 Tampa plus one 20 for that division.

01:00:06 Speaker_03
You know what else is really tight? You almost won the South Steelers special again.

01:00:11 Speaker_04
Oh man.

01:00:13 Speaker_03
They had to put up 20 points in the second quarter. It looked like you were gonna get a 21 to 21 to 20 type situation. Yeah, something in there. And then take it in the second half. That didn't work.

01:00:28 Speaker_04
Next week. It's always gonna happen eventually.

01:00:30 Speaker_03
Well, do you wanna do this NFC South? Do you even wanna waste time on this?

01:00:37 Speaker_04
I feel good about Tampa. I know they'll probably blow it, but But, well, you're gonna look at Atlanta's schedule and tell me it's easy, right? Giants.

01:00:47 Speaker_03
Tampa's four and two on the road, and their two losses were fourth quarter losses to KC and Atlanta. In the Atlanta game, they should've won. I just like the way they're playing way more.

01:01:00 Speaker_03
And if you, like you have that Tampa bet, which I backed out of, five to one. They have to beat Atlanta by a game to win the division.

01:01:08 Speaker_04
Right, because they lost both.

01:01:09 Speaker_03
Your fear would be Penick starting this week. Yeah, I think so. If you got the news like Michael Pennix will start this week, you'd be like, fuck.

01:01:17 Speaker_04
Right. Tampa's good. They beat Detroit and they beat Philly. They're not going to make the playoffs in that garbage division.

01:01:25 Speaker_03
Tampa's got Vegas at home, Chargers Dallas on the road, Carolina at home, New Orleans at home. Feels like they could get to nine or ten wins.

01:01:36 Speaker_04
Yeah, three or four.

01:01:38 Speaker_03
Atlanta's at Minnesota, at Vegas, home Giants, at Washington, home Carolina. The question for me is, could we get eight, nine, like an eight, nine tie for that division? Is that in play?

01:01:52 Speaker_04
Yeah, sure. Yeah, I mean, no one's gonna go four and one the rest of the way. They'll go four and O. That'll be the first time a division has ever been won three years in a row with a losing record, ever.

01:02:09 Speaker_03
Relegation, maybe we gotta start thinking about it. And yet somehow the NFC West is weirder and more annoying. Arizona just completely choked in Minnesota. And I can't believe we didn't talk about that yet. I had them, they still covered.

01:02:23 Speaker_03
I didn't expect to sweat it out when it was 19 to six. They had the ball for 36 minutes. They had 406 yards. They had 25 first downs. Minnesota's one at eight on third down.

01:02:39 Speaker_03
Sam Darnold had to orchestrate two touchdown drives to not even win the game, because they asked him to hit a field goal. Arizona, 10 penalties for 96 yards, that was one reason they lost.

01:02:50 Speaker_03
The other reason, and you and I vacillate on when teams should do this or not, but watching in the moment, fourth and four, Arizona's up three, it's like three and a half minutes left, whatever it is, they're inside the 10.

01:03:02 Speaker_03
And they kicked the field goal to go up six. And it felt like the wrong move because Minnesota had been going up and down the field on them. And watching it, hoping Arizona was gonna at least lose by three and still cover my bet.

01:03:16 Speaker_03
I just wanted them to go for it because I felt like they could've closed the game out. Because I liked the way they were moving the ball. The nerd stats actually supported

01:03:26 Speaker_03
going for it on fourth and fourth, it was like 88% you win the game if you do it, 80% kick the field goal. So they kick the field goal, they go up six.

01:03:33 Speaker_03
There's been other times where I'm like, just take the points, go up six, they're not gonna come down and beat you. But you were watching, did you feel like Minnesota was gonna come down and score on them? Because I did.

01:03:42 Speaker_04
Yeah, I thought it'd be close. They're going to get to like the 30 or something, then it's going to be luck. But I almost think you asked the defense in that situation, right? Like, hey, how tired are you guys?

01:03:53 Speaker_04
Because I know you've been at it for almost three hours. Are you going to let Sam Darnold go up and down the field here?

01:03:58 Speaker_03
Yeah. It's Sam Darnold. You guys realize it's Sam Darnold, right? Right.

01:04:02 Speaker_04
Yeah, so I don't know. Is Minnesota the most boring good team out there? I should have been through to that Arizona-Minnesota game. They had 75 yards at half Minnesota. I'm like, oh, they're probably going to win.

01:04:14 Speaker_03
It's really unimpressive. I can't wait to bet against them in the playoffs. So Arizona loses two incredibly winnable games in a row against good teams. Seattle last week. Minnesota this week, they're in a tie.

01:04:27 Speaker_03
The Rams had their fourth, I think their season is dead, moment of the season. They're down in the Saints game and it's just like, Of course, this is a five and 12 team. Why were we fooling ourselves? And then they pull that out.

01:04:44 Speaker_04
Do you ever feel like we will a team to, uh, we inspire a team through our texts because we were on the ring of pregame texts about how bad Stafford is.

01:04:52 Speaker_04
And each one of us is sending one stat worse than the other for Stafford for third down conversions and how many this and that. And then just like that, their offense came alive for like two drives and it was enough.

01:05:04 Speaker_03
It doesn't seem like they can block even remotely where they were last year. So that's one problem. But I don't know, I looked at all the schedules. San Francisco's at Chicago, home Rams at Miami, home Detroit at Arizona.

01:05:21 Speaker_03
And those Detroit games in week 17, week 18, there's a chance they weren't, Lions weren't gonna have anything to play for, but now we know they will.

01:05:30 Speaker_04
I think this is the only division that comes to Week 18. Oh, the Niners are a cross-off?

01:05:34 Speaker_03
I think Niners are a cross-off for me.

01:05:36 Speaker_04
Yeah, I agree.

01:05:37 Speaker_03
I don't see it.

01:05:38 Speaker_04
I think this is the only division that comes down to the final week. But in fact, we have the rematch, Seattle and Arizona, from two weeks ago. So that's as important as any other game, I think.

01:05:49 Speaker_03
Seattle's plus 145. Arizona's plus 180. Rams plus 290. And Niners, 14 to 1 now. So Fando agrees with us.

01:05:59 Speaker_02
Yep.

01:06:01 Speaker_03
At gunpoint, I kinda like Arizona's last five the most for opponents. They're at Seattle, home Pats, at Carolina, at the Rams, home San Francisco, who might have packed it in by that point. Feels like at least three more wins.

01:06:26 Speaker_03
But it's probably nine and eight, right? I don't think anyone gets to 10.

01:06:30 Speaker_04
It's not bad.

01:06:30 Speaker_03
Seattle's have seven? Oh yeah, Seattle's seven and five.

01:06:33 Speaker_04
Seattle's got seven. But that's the game, right? They play this week. I don't know if Arizona, you might as well just bet them this week, I think, if you're gonna take them to win a division. And then if they need a game in like three weeks or so.

01:06:48 Speaker_03
Oh, that game's in Arizona. I fucked up. Arizona's got Seattle home, New England home next to it.

01:06:53 Speaker_04
Listen, it pays to come and last every year. Eventually it pays off when you got a schedule like this, where the last month is cake.

01:07:00 Speaker_03
Well, Seattle has Arizona, at Arizona, home Green Bay, home Minnesota, at Chicago at the Rams. I don't know whether Seattle's roping me in and I'm gonna regret it, but I do think they can move the ball when they need to.

01:07:13 Speaker_03
Like if they really need to go 75 yards, I think they can do it. And I wouldn't say that about a lot of teams, but it's just really painful to watch them get to that point.

01:07:23 Speaker_04
Their offense is different, it seems, every week, right?

01:07:25 Speaker_04
It should be that Metcalf is around 100 yards and Kenneth Walker is either gonna get two touchdowns or three, you know, but it's, oh no, Charbonnet, oh, what, he can't, oh, the tight end's involved, but Metcalf's not open.

01:07:38 Speaker_04
It's very strange the way they do it.

01:07:40 Speaker_03
Well, they definitely can't block. No. are whatever games, Texans, Jags, Washington, Tennessee, and then Pats Indy, which I have no idea how the Pats didn't score 30 points.

01:07:55 Speaker_03
Did you see the clip of the two-point conversion that the Pats were blindsided by Richardson QB draws in big moments? No idea that the Colts might try that. How would there be any evidence they would do that in the biggest play of the game?

01:08:08 Speaker_03
But Barmar got tackled by the guard and pulled backwards. Richardson went right over him. There's a great end zone angle of just the most obvious holding call of all time and they didn't.

01:08:19 Speaker_04
The false starts must drive you nuts because that was not even close to being a thing under Belichick regime, right? You just never saw it. You'd see one every two weeks.

01:08:30 Speaker_03
I was watching the Bosco versus, what was the championship game? And even in high school at that level, there's not false starts at holding every five plays. And somehow the Patriots are a professional team.

01:08:50 Speaker_03
They were saying, my dad was complaining after. My dad was upset that they lost. And he was saying the Colts have this offensive line. Four guys are new and like backups, they've had a whole bunch of injuries.

01:09:00 Speaker_03
It's like the Colts, nobody jumped off the whole game for them, it didn't feel like. The Pats just holding left to right, but it's a shame.

01:09:07 Speaker_04
I think the Pats would kill Bosco. I mean, they'd win by at least 10, I think, if they played Bosco.

01:09:12 Speaker_03
I swear the Pats could have four more wins. Like, they could totally be in this Denver. If they were actually well coached, I really feel like they could be in the seventh seed, but maybe it's working out. for the best.

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Be a finance and HR rockstar with Workday. Visit Workday.com. to learn more. What are the records? Seven, five, and one. You have the lead. Yeah, you're kind of lingering this year.

01:09:57 Speaker_04
Yeah, I'm not going, I think I did all right today. We'll see. We'll see.

01:10:02 Speaker_03
Obviously you cheated.

01:10:04 Speaker_04
You steal these by half a point every time.

01:10:07 Speaker_03
Well, this is an interesting week because it's week 14. It's the last fantasy week for any normal fantasy league, I would think. And we have all of these crazy buys.

01:10:18 Speaker_04
Did they used to get rid of the buys by Thanksgiving? Or am I imagining that?

01:10:22 Speaker_03
This feels late, but I think they had to do it because of this Christmas game. I think they wanted those teams fresh because it's Baltimore, Houston. I guess Pittsburgh's not one of them.

01:10:33 Speaker_03
Baltimore, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, New England, Washington. I mentioned that because there's some big starting QBs in that. Couple good running backs, couple good receivers, and it's like weird fantasy implications to lose that many teams.

01:10:47 Speaker_03
Anyway, Thursday night is an awesome game.

01:10:50 Speaker_04
Really good.

01:10:51 Speaker_03
Lions Packers, it's in Detroit. And I meant to talk about this earlier, but I guess we can talk about it now. I really do feel like it's sitting there for the Packers now, with all these injuries the Lions have had on defense.

01:11:02 Speaker_03
You could feel it in the second half of that Bears game. We always talk about passing the point of no return. And it feels like that Dallas defense is right on the edge of maybe too many injuries.

01:11:15 Speaker_04
Dallas. Oh, Detroit.

01:11:16 Speaker_03
Detroit.

01:11:17 Speaker_04
Yeah. Dallas defense too.

01:11:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah. Dallas, definitely. I think they passed the point. But if I'm the Packers, I'm feeling really good.

01:11:24 Speaker_04
Yeah. I actually think Ibra Flues gave it to them. I think he was like, it was a sympathetic move. He was like, this will destroy too many Moneyline parlays before the first helping of Cranberry stuffing.

01:11:36 Speaker_03
He's trying to heal America. Exactly. I can't, I can't. You know what, surliness at the tables. We're not calling a timeout. I'm going to take this timeout right in the locker room.

01:11:45 Speaker_04
You're right, though. I mean, they get Jair Alexander and Romeo Dobbs back, right? Like Jordan Love was left for dead in Brazil. Like, they were going to dump his body in the rainforest, in the Amazon.

01:11:55 Speaker_04
But Tucker Craft, all of a sudden, like a top option, a tight end. Jacobs forced like 15 missed tackles the other day, the other night. I think they're really good. This is going to be a fun game.

01:12:06 Speaker_03
I've been on them the last couple of weeks with million dollar picks and just on the pod because I felt like people were sleeping on them or looking for reasons not to think they were good.

01:12:16 Speaker_03
And even a couple of weeks ago, they only won because of this. And then last week, it was cold weather. It seems like there's always an excuse for them. I just think they're pretty talented.

01:12:28 Speaker_03
They have a ceiling that I'm not sure they've scratched yet, but they can run the ball. They can throw the ball. They can do explosive plays. They can create plays on defense. They're pretty well coached. They have a home field advantage.

01:12:41 Speaker_03
This will be a nice test. They're catching this Lions team. They can definitely come in with some swagger. They played them well. I like it. I have Lions by four and a half. I put this in the Vegas zone.

01:12:52 Speaker_04
All right. I get it. I said four. It's three and a half. Ooh. Wow. I think they feel the same way about this Lions defense as you do.

01:13:04 Speaker_03
Yeah. It's tough because we, we know the don't get carried away one way or the other with these Thursday games.

01:13:10 Speaker_04
Right. Well, they beat him on Thanksgiving last year.

01:13:13 Speaker_03
Whatever happens, don't assume that that means that's going to happen in round two, round three, but it'll mean something. They beat him in, what was that?

01:13:21 Speaker_04
It was beginning of November, right? 24-14. I feel like they're much different now. Yeah, but I think they're better. Jordan Love's one of the best quarterbacks. I think he's the best quarterback getting blitzed. They're really kind of in sync now.

01:13:35 Speaker_03
Sunday Marquee. I could give you bills at Rams or card Seahawks. What do you think's the marquee out of those two?

01:13:42 Speaker_04
I guess bills Rams.

01:13:44 Speaker_03
Okay. I had that too. Bills at the Rams. I have the bills favored by two and a half. Let me find this cause they had it. Uh, higher.

01:14:00 Speaker_04
I said three. It's four and a half. Oh wow.

01:14:03 Speaker_03
Yeah. You are going to beat me this way.

01:14:06 Speaker_04
Well, now you know how it's going, though.

01:14:10 Speaker_03
Four and a half, that seems a whiff too high.

01:14:14 Speaker_04
Maybe a little bit. I mean, how much, the Rams were so unimpressive, but the Bills have such a lead now on their division. I know they're chasing the one, but you gotta think that they can't get up for all these games.

01:14:27 Speaker_03
Watchables, cards home for the Seahawks. Rematch, we saw this two weeks ago. This feels like a 1.5er if I've ever seen it. Cards by one and a half.

01:14:35 Speaker_04
That's what I said, because that's what it was a couple of weeks ago. It's two and a half. This is the one that flipped. It was Seattle one and a half, then it was Arizona, then it flipped again. They really like Arizona.

01:14:49 Speaker_03
Fairly watchable, it's got four. Vikings home for the Falcons. This immediately becomes a watchable if it's Michael Pennix. You could argue it should be a watchable anyway. I had to put the 0.5 on this, Vikings by three and a half.

01:15:04 Speaker_04
Oh, I get this one too. I said five, it's four and a half.

01:15:07 Speaker_03
Oh, come on.

01:15:08 Speaker_04
That's too high. That's stupid. Cousin's ball. This is a fun one.

01:15:14 Speaker_02
That's stupid.

01:15:17 Speaker_04
How about this? J.J. McCarthy against Penix and then it's a national championship from last year. McCarthy can get off his ass.

01:15:24 Speaker_03
Supposedly he got hurt again.

01:15:26 Speaker_04
Yeah, I know. I think that was a setback.

01:15:27 Speaker_03
Yeah. So let me ask you this. If Panix becomes the starter on Tuesday, does this line move?

01:15:39 Speaker_04
Oh man. No, I think it's already high.

01:15:44 Speaker_03
You don't think it moves toward the Falcons?

01:15:47 Speaker_04
No, no. You gotta see it. Are you sure? Get in there. I'm not sure. I'm never sure about this. I'm 571.

01:15:53 Speaker_03
I think it moves a point toward the Falcons.

01:15:56 Speaker_04
Really a point?

01:15:57 Speaker_03
I think that's how bad Cousins was today. Yeah, I do.

01:15:59 Speaker_04
No one's ever seen him throw.

01:16:00 Speaker_03
No one's ever seen him, but I know it's better than what I watched today.

01:16:04 Speaker_04
Cousins will be so pissed that they take this game away from him.

01:16:08 Speaker_03
Fairly watchables. Can't believe it. The Panthers have crawled out of the poopfecta.

01:16:14 Speaker_04
Wow.

01:16:15 Speaker_03
Through 500 yards of shit-smelling foulness. The legs they couldn't imagine. Panthers at Eagles. And I have the Eagles favored by 12 and a half.

01:16:28 Speaker_04
Oh, you nailed it. Wait a minute. This doesn't make sense. How do you make this a fairly watchable and, and make the line 12 and a half, which is right.

01:16:36 Speaker_03
Yeah. You know why? This Bryce Young thing's really fun. I like comeback stories. It looked like he was dead. And this seems like a classic Eagles take a dump and their fans freaking out game. And it's at least a fairly watchable for an hour.

01:16:54 Speaker_03
I want to see where it goes.

01:16:55 Speaker_04
I'm there for it. That'll be fun.

01:16:57 Speaker_03
Stewart's Browns in Pittsburgh. We saw this game 10 days ago, and they'll make this just high enough that I have to sweat it out when I'm teasing it, but not too high that I can't tease it. Steelers by eight and a half.

01:17:12 Speaker_04
Oh, good. I get it. I said seven. It's only six and a half. Oh, come on. They're really about all these division games. This is a teaser game for me, and I'll be pissed if that one doesn't come through.

01:17:25 Speaker_03
Can't get swept by the Browns.

01:17:26 Speaker_04
Well, what happens tomorrow if Denver beats the hell out of Cleveland? This goes up. Oh, it'll go up, yeah. Yeah. A short week going to Pittsburgh, an angry team that you beat 10 days ago, they can't. They're not sweeping anyone, the Browns.

01:17:39 Speaker_03
49ers home for the Bears, fairly watchable for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the new coach bump. One of my favorite things to bet on, Thomas Brown, very well-liked in the Chicago locker room. Respected.

01:17:56 Speaker_03
Iver Floos, lost the locker room. They always tell us after the guy gets fired, yeah, yeah, he lost the locker room last week. Where was that? We looked up on that two weeks ago for gambling. 40 diners minus three over the bears.

01:18:09 Speaker_04
Oh, no. I said five and it's five and a half. Oh, that's idiotic. But McCaffrey might be out. I don't know. I mean, I think people, I don't know. You're betting Chicago here? You're not gonna bet Chicago.

01:18:24 Speaker_03
That line's three points too high. Three? The 49ers are better than the Bears? The 49ers, you just watched them. They stink. They're five and seven. They keep telling us that they're not a good team. Everybody's like, I don't know, 49ers.

01:18:37 Speaker_04
Unless you're right about this new coach. I haven't seen the craps he's taken in the toilet situation. But other than that, I just feel like they blow every game. They don't care.

01:18:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, I need some Thomas Brown info. I want to find out more about him, his bathroom habits, drinking habits. What did Brown do for us? Bears look like a great underdog pick. Does that line out for the underdog yet, or for the money lines?

01:19:02 Speaker_03
They don't have the money lines yet, right?

01:19:04 Speaker_04
I didn't see it, no. No, they don't have them for that one.

01:19:08 Speaker_03
Damn.

01:19:10 Speaker_02
Okay. Poopfecta, speaking of the clogger. Saints at Giants, clogging it up.

01:19:22 Speaker_03
I think this is in the Vegas zone. I have Saints by four and a half at the Giants.

01:19:25 Speaker_04
Yeah, you nailed it. I don't know why I said two. It's exactly four and a half. Derek Carr's just miserable. I always forget. Always forget.

01:19:39 Speaker_03
And then it happens. The moment you pressure him for three plays in a row, he just turns into a different human being.

01:19:49 Speaker_03
I think some people, hopefully not on the Ringer Sunday pregame show, will be talking themselves into the Giants' money line on Sunday.

01:19:57 Speaker_04
No, not this one.

01:19:59 Speaker_03
Does it feel like a JJ kind of picked you? I don't know, bro.

01:20:02 Speaker_04
Yeah, maybe. Bro, I'm listening to talk. Derrick Crowe and Giant, Derrick Carr and Giant Stadium. You listen to these fans talking in a local radio, they're dialed in. They're dialed in for the Saints.

01:20:15 Speaker_03
The case for the Giants would be they always win one dumb game when there's four or five left that screws up their draft pick by like three or four picks. And this is definitely a candidate for that. Titans, Jags in Tennessee.

01:20:29 Speaker_03
I'm going to try not to watch one second in this game. I don't want this on a multi-view. I don't want this anywhere. I don't want to see it on the red zone. Titans minus three over the Jags.

01:20:41 Speaker_04
You get it. I don't know why I said one and a half. It's four and a half.

01:20:47 Speaker_03
He lost by 23 today.

01:20:51 Speaker_04
It's so high, that number. Although, your boy, Mac Jones, missed some very, very easy throws. Like, they could have won that game for sure. The Jags.

01:21:02 Speaker_03
I saw some of the clips on the internets. I swear, the first three months of his career, Mac Jones was good. I swear, I would go to my grave saying that. I don't know what happened to him that he can no longer come even close to hitting wide open guys.

01:21:18 Speaker_03
But for three months, he could. That should scare you in the jersey you're wearing. Now, it's different? Yeah, I'm wearing the jersey. I had this on for good luck today.

01:21:28 Speaker_04
Why is it different?

01:21:29 Speaker_03
What would Kyle say is different? Oh, he's, you can't, Jake May is like, he's, he's the best, he's the best rookie quarterback we've ever had. It's not even close.

01:21:38 Speaker_02
Oh.

01:21:38 Speaker_03
He can do everything. Okay. Yeah, he's like, he's unbelievable. Best rookie quarterback? That we've ever had. Yeah. Brady didn't play as a rookie.

01:21:48 Speaker_04
Yeah. All right.

01:21:52 Speaker_03
Dolphins Jets in Miami. Bro, we are going to take care of business in this game, bro. He's going. That's right. JJ's going. He's going to be there. Dolphins minus four and a half. Does that sound right?

01:22:08 Speaker_04
No, I hit this exactly. Six and a half. Oh. What can you do if JJ has to be in the building when Aaron Rodgers beats the Dolphins? Good night.

01:22:22 Speaker_03
What would you put on the announcement tomorrow, Tuesday, Aaron Rodgers has been waived by the New York Jets?

01:22:28 Speaker_04
Oh, waived.

01:22:30 Speaker_03
Released.

01:22:31 Speaker_04
Yeah, but there's no consequence, right? I mean, there's a little bit of a hit, right?

01:22:36 Speaker_03
They're just like, we're out. We're out of the Aaron Rodgers business. Good luck.

01:22:40 Speaker_04
Yeah.

01:22:41 Speaker_03
Tuesday? What are the odds? Would you say like five to one?

01:22:45 Speaker_04
You think they time it to happen during the McAfee interview?

01:22:49 Speaker_03
Like 20 minutes before the McAfee interview. They're just like, you know what? You're released.

01:22:53 Speaker_04
Yeah. I like it. I'd bet it. I'd bet it just for fun.

01:22:57 Speaker_03
No, but what are the odds? What do you think the odds are though? Cause I don't think it's like 10 to one. I think it's in the four to one to six to one range. Like if you're booking the bet.

01:23:09 Speaker_03
and you had to put odds down for people to bet, what would you put down for the odds?

01:23:12 Speaker_04
10 to one is too high, but I always imagine him walking away from it. I don't know why. You know when you have a friend.

01:23:20 Speaker_03
Like just the retirement, like right before the Netflix thing comes out?

01:23:23 Speaker_04
Yeah, like you have a couple, like oh man, he cheats on her all the time. Like wait a minute, she left him and she didn't even know that he cheated? Wow, I kind of feel like that's what it would be. What couple do you know that does that?

01:23:34 Speaker_03
That sounds like a fun couple. Bucks home for the Raiders is our last poopfecta. Baker Mayfield could be seven and six, MVP candidate, put that two inch to one odds down now. I have the Bucks by six and a half over the Raiders.

01:23:53 Speaker_03
I hit this exactly, I swore on our friendship, seven. Okay. Well, you were confident heading into this.

01:24:00 Speaker_04
They got to win that. Aren't there some teasers staring us in the face here? Some nice, we don't even have to do three-timers.

01:24:05 Speaker_03
I'm scared to put the bucks in anything after watching them today. Really?

01:24:08 Speaker_04
He's your MVP. How's he going to lose to...

01:24:12 Speaker_03
We just, we have to talk JJ out of not taking the Giants or the Jets as his underdog, man's best bet, whatever we call it. We just can't allow him to do it. Can't allow him to do it. Sunday night, Chiefs chargers in Kansas City.

01:24:31 Speaker_03
It's a Vegas zone if I've ever seen it. I'm gonna say Chiefs by five and a half. No, you went too high. I said three, it's three and a half. Oh, wow. So everyone's just done with the Chiefs as a high favorite now.

01:24:46 Speaker_04
Yeah, they're on to it.

01:24:48 Speaker_03
All right, we're all done. Does Mahomes know?

01:24:51 Speaker_04
He doesn't know. They don't tell him. They don't tell him until the last minute. Well, the Chargers have eight wins, right? Yeah, they could play like a stifling defense. Like, I don't know. I mean, at this point, the Chiefs are good for 22 points.

01:25:09 Speaker_04
So what's the other team that score.

01:25:13 Speaker_03
I have some Chargers action for the season that I'm excited to cash in on. They're one away from their over. Eight and a half was their over.

01:25:20 Speaker_04
That was good.

01:25:21 Speaker_03
Playoffs was, I think pretty, I think it was at least plus 120, something like that. Yep. And I have Harbaugh coach of the year, which is probably not gonna win now.

01:25:33 Speaker_04
What do you have to do?

01:25:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, you just- He has to go like at least 12 and five to win that, right?

01:25:37 Speaker_04
That's tough. That's tough. You got too many other division winners like that.

01:25:41 Speaker_03
The other guys. Monday night. What a hilarious game this is. Cincinnati, the Dallas Cowboys, unflexed, because it's on a Monday night. I don't know what team's been more disappointing. I have the Bengals' favorite, Bengals minus one and a half.

01:26:03 Speaker_04
Oh, wow. I thought this one you could have stolen, wouldn't have mattered. I said three and a half. Six and a half is the number. Come on. Well, this is a teaser, darling, right? Borrow against Rush. This is the season.

01:26:22 Speaker_04
Tis the season, Simmons, for the Bengals. It's over anyway.

01:26:26 Speaker_03
Even your crappy team could move the ball on them though. I know. It's going to be fun. You could win this game. Somebody will take, that's an underdog money line bet.

01:26:36 Speaker_04
7-6-1 on the year, here we go.

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01:28:11 Speaker_03
And parent corner coming off Thanksgiving. Always a lively addition. What do you got? You could do your own kids, you could do your parents.

01:28:21 Speaker_04
Yeah, they all drive me so nuts. Really, you know what, I'll do my kids. Here's what I was gonna go with. I feel like I'm thankful that they all have a piece of me. And it's not a great piece of me, but I see me in all of them.

01:28:37 Speaker_04
Like my oldest son, I told you last week, was leaving early Friday to go to the Oregon-Washington game. So yes, sports over everything. He's gone Friday after the meal. Good job. The wife's upset.

01:28:50 Speaker_04
The youngest kid, we go around the table on Thanksgiving and it's a torturous process. It lasts like 20 minutes, but we all say like what we're thankful for. And like my mother goes for like eight minutes and it's crazy.

01:29:02 Speaker_04
But when we got to my little, my littlest one, Harris, he thanked the Mets. He thanked the Mets for an exciting September, and I liked that.

01:29:11 Speaker_04
I was like, you know, and only when he was prompted by my mother did he come around and say he was thankful for anyone in the family. So there's that. I love that.

01:29:21 Speaker_04
And then my middle son, Jack, gets such a kick out of our friend Brad, our crazy friend Brad, who stayed with me. I said, Brad, you can come to Thanksgiving. It might be too much for you.

01:29:31 Speaker_04
There's gonna be 20 people, or you could stay with me the rest of the weekend. Or you could do both, whatever. He's like, I'll be here Friday. So he comes out, and my son Jack just loves it.

01:29:41 Speaker_04
I mean, you know Brad, he's like, every noise Brad makes, he loves it. If I let the dog out, I have to close the door quickly, because Brad is usually screaming.

01:29:49 Speaker_04
If there's a play on TV, or if his hip hurts or something, I don't want the neighbors to think there's a murder going on in the living room. So I'm like, come on. I'm waving the dog in, and my son loves it.

01:30:00 Speaker_04
My son loves that Brad is double fisting Mountain Dews at 9 a.m. Like he just, he's all over it. And like, this is the, this is when I knew like, that's my boy.

01:30:08 Speaker_04
Like we ordered ribs Saturday night after watching football and the order came and it was like a little light. Like, just like, you could tell like, damn it, I'm mad. And Jack gave up his ribs just so he could watch Brad eat.

01:30:22 Speaker_04
just so he could watch it and like wow that's true love and affection yes it's love and affection but it's also like he's like sneaking pictures too because you could have like a 12 pack of brillo pads and not get the barbecue sauce out of his beard for like even 10 percent of it it's a real spectacle and that's my boy they all have um terrible uh qualities of mine heads up

01:30:46 Speaker_03
No family dysfunction, no shouty matches, nothing?

01:30:49 Speaker_04
Not too much. My father started getting into politics and he was shouted down, so luckily that was good.

01:30:54 Speaker_03
How'd that go for him?

01:30:56 Speaker_04
Yeah, that was great. They're like, no, no, no, nobody wants to hear it. My sister announced that she and my mother are in therapy to 20 strangers, so that was fun. But that's it. It was pretty light.

01:31:13 Speaker_03
So my daughter went back to school today, but she was here for a while, and you know, it's just you fall back into the old habits.

01:31:21 Speaker_03
But on Friday, day off, my wife wanted to go for like a big, long walk, and we'll just go, and maybe we'll stop and get a drink somewhere.

01:31:29 Speaker_03
So we walk, we walk, and we walk, and we walk, and we end up all the way in Beverly Hills, and we decide to get a Bloody Mary. We're with our friend Krista.

01:31:39 Speaker_03
And then that leads to, we go by and we stop by my mom's house, who of course has wine going, so there's some wine there.

01:31:45 Speaker_03
And then we're walking back, we're talking about the French fries at the Four Seasons, which has spawned David Chang to do his BS fries at Majordomo. Like, you never had the French fries? So we go there, two more drinks, so now we're like.

01:32:00 Speaker_03
I haven't had this many, but my wife and Chris are definitely going for it. There might've been a couple.

01:32:05 Speaker_04
This is all on a walk?

01:32:06 Speaker_03
Yeah, we're doing it on a 25,000 step walk. This is what they drink and they walk it up. But you know, getting a little tipsy. So my wife's trying to get my daughter to come out and my daughter doesn't want to come out. It's like, come meet us.

01:32:22 Speaker_03
Now we're going to be here. Still doesn't want to come out. So then at four o'clock, we're walking back and was like, let's go to the Grove. So we're walking through the Grove, text my daughter again, meet us now.

01:32:33 Speaker_03
Then a half hour later, she texts both of us like, where is everybody? I've been alone all day. Sets my wife off. And she's just like, we've invited her this whole day. And now she's mad that we're not home. I'm coming home and I'm going to talk to her.

01:32:46 Speaker_03
I'm like, so we get home at like six. My wife goes upstairs and all of a sudden they're just yelling at each other for 10 minutes. And, and I'm just, I'm sitting down. I'm like, Oh my God, really? We're going to do this.

01:33:01 Speaker_03
And, uh, and then my wife comes back down. She's like, I'm leaving. I'm going out. I'm like, we're, Where are you going? Like, you're not trying. She's like, no, I'm going to watch. There's this party over there.

01:33:09 Speaker_03
Friends leaves and goes, walks to somebody else's house. And she's just mad. And next morning they wake up. Everything's fine. She goes in. Hey, sorry about yesterday, but I was like, oh yeah, it's fine. And I'm like, this is, we're back.

01:33:25 Speaker_03
How did we run this back so quickly? You guys played all the hits. You crammed them all together. You see, you never had it because you had the three sons. The mother-daughter energy is like nothing else.

01:33:40 Speaker_03
Honestly, I don't even really know what the fight was. My wife didn't really know the next day either. And what I realized is with moms and daughters, it's like in hockey,

01:33:50 Speaker_03
when, you know, it's like game four of a series, and it's like 5-2, it's like 10 minutes left, and all of a sudden the enforcers are skating around, and they're like, all right, and they just kind of drop the gloves and start going.

01:34:02 Speaker_03
That was what it was like. They just needed to kind of drop the gloves and go, get some punches in, hold each other, have the teammates. So I was basically the teammate in the, you know, in the, what do you call where all the hockey players?

01:34:18 Speaker_02
The bench? Yeah, the bench. I don't know why I was blanking.

01:34:21 Speaker_03
I'm on the bench, like tapping my stick, like, good brawl, guys, good brawl. And then, you know, they hang out the rest of the weekend. We went to dinner last night. My wife drove her to the airport today. It's like, couldn't be better.

01:34:31 Speaker_03
They just had to drop the gloves.

01:34:33 Speaker_04
And then, yeah, because like hockey, at the end of the playoff series, everybody lines up and shakes hands, right? So it's the same.

01:34:38 Speaker_03
That's what it is. Yeah. So, and I was saying to my wife, like, it's just weird that you guys have to do that. And she's like, You know, if we didn't do that, I think that would be, that would make me nervous.

01:34:49 Speaker_04
Interesting.

01:34:50 Speaker_03
And I'm like, okay, I guess that makes sense. And whatever weird world you're in, you know, it just means we're communicating.

01:34:59 Speaker_02
All right.

01:35:00 Speaker_03
Right.

01:35:00 Speaker_02
Sure.

01:35:02 Speaker_04
I guess that's what it means. That the 25,000-step walk leads to a 12-step program. I don't know. There's something in there. I'm not sure. 25,000 steps, seven drinks, and then 12 steps. Step one, denial. Step 24,998, admittance. Yeah.

01:35:21 Speaker_03
I want to have the Sopranos intervention for her and Krista. Just like Giuseppe Polli and Silvio and Tony. And Paulie going, you make me sick. Chrissy, you make me sick.

01:35:37 Speaker_04
Mr. Type A personality. This is not about my personality.

01:35:45 Speaker_03
Anyway, that's Parent Quarter. It's great. Great to have the family back. What do you got? What do you got to plug?

01:35:51 Speaker_04
What do I got? I got a lot. Through the ringer with the great Tate Frazier against the Lodz. We're going to go over the conference finals for college football. Ringer pregame show, which you were on. I'm 11-2 with my best bet, Simmons.

01:36:03 Speaker_04
I'm trying to make it a game here, but nobody wants to catch me. What are you going to do? Cut and Sal's Winning Weekend, Boomer Esiason is the guest, and I have a documentary that I produced on Yacht Rock. It's on Max. Oh, I heard that was really good.

01:36:18 Speaker_04
No, no, it wasn't me. That was you and Daniel Kelsen produced that, and I loved it.

01:36:23 Speaker_03
It was his idea, apparently, in some form.

01:36:29 Speaker_04
I loved it. I really did. Thank you. I'll tell you, my favorite is the Michael McDonald collaboration stuff with Kenny Loggins. By the way, the documentary says that Michael McDonald, not the same Michael McDonald, but coaches the Seahawks.

01:36:43 Speaker_04
So I didn't know that.

01:36:44 Speaker_00
Different one.

01:36:44 Speaker_04
A whole different guy. But no, that they did What a Fool Believes, which I know. talking about that they knew their next, or they thought their next project would fail. And that was, this is it.

01:36:56 Speaker_03
And that was- Yeah, they just want to like bang out a song quickly so they can write something else.

01:37:01 Speaker_04
And then heart to heart. I loved it. I really, really did. Oh, thanks, buddy. One thing I'll say though, And I feel like this could be like, is Die Hard a Christmas movie debacle.

01:37:15 Speaker_04
Total definitely influenced other yacht rockers, but I don't consider Total yacht rock.

01:37:22 Speaker_03
Interesting. Is that weird? I think they're an essential because of Rosanna and Africa.

01:37:27 Speaker_04
Yeah. You think those are, I mean, I don't know. I think Rosanna rocks too much.

01:37:31 Speaker_03
I think Africa is known as like a, yacht rock staple, right? Really? I don't know. You wouldn't put Georgie Porgie in there as a staple?

01:37:40 Speaker_04
Maybe, maybe, maybe. I mean, a lot of bands have one maybe song, but I just, and it was done so well, like where people like, you can't put your finger on what is your, you just know, you just know when you hear it, but.

01:37:51 Speaker_03
Yeah, like Ma Lambert said, it was like pornography where you just know that it's porn, yeah.

01:37:55 Speaker_04
Exactly.

01:37:56 Speaker_03
The weird ones for me are Hall & Oates, who I don't consider yacht rock, but I do think they have a couple yacht rock songs. And the Eagles are the same way. I don't think they're a yacht rock band.

01:38:08 Speaker_03
I would never say they did yacht rock, but I think one of these nights is a yacht rock song. So it's like just, there's a Venn diagram where when it crosses, you kind of know, and you just grab the song.

01:38:18 Speaker_03
Michael Jackson, Human Nature and Rock With You are yacht rock songs, but he's obviously not a yacht rock artist.

01:38:25 Speaker_03
Lionel Richie, The Commodores, like those guys had, they're more pop artists, but they definitely had songs that if you didn't know who sang them, they're yacht rock songs.

01:38:32 Speaker_04
Did you find that most of them were, I know there was definitely, I don't want to ruin it, but people were annoyed to be put in that category too. Right.

01:38:41 Speaker_03
For a while. Yeah. Because it became, it's like, are you making fun of me? Are you on my side? I think that existed for a while, but now I think it's such a popular genre. Now I think the artists kind of get it, that it's good for them.

01:38:55 Speaker_03
It's good for their music. It's good for the Spotify. It's also like, you know, for playlists, it's got its own serious station. Yeah. So it's become like its own genre.

01:39:04 Speaker_04
Right.

01:39:04 Speaker_03
You know, which like disco that happened. you know, like West Coast rap, like there's certain genres that you kind of know it when you hear it.

01:39:14 Speaker_04
So, yeah, it's right up my alley. I recommend it to anyone, anyone going on a 25,000 step walk, just a pop in max.

01:39:24 Speaker_03
25,000 12 step walk. Cuz, pleasure is always good job by you.

01:39:29 Speaker_00
Good job by you, buddy. On the wayside