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Episode: THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 65 — CEO Assassins? Best Christmas Movies?

Author: Charlie Kirk
Duration: 01:10:20

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Jack, Blake, and special guest Matthew debate the Thoughtcrime Rumble audience about the politically-motivated assassination of a health insurance CEO. Is vigilante political violence ever acceptable, and what does it say that so many on both the left and the right are defending it? Plus, the group discusses the best

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In Episode 65 of The Charlie Kirk Show, the hosts engage in a critical discussion surrounding the politically motivated assassination of a United Healthcare CEO, exploring the disturbing societal reactions and the complex perceptions of justice and violence. They delve into the implications of vigilante actions, raising questions about moral justifications and public sentiment towards the wealthy and the healthcare system. The conversation also shifts to the cultural significance of classic Christmas films, contrasting them with more modern productions and examining their themes of morality and community.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of Thought Prime Thursday. I'm here, Jack Posobiec, coming to you remote this evening. I'm down here in Palm Beach, Florida. I've been conducting a number of

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of the transition team, also doing the show from down here, watching as the greatest government that the United States has ever seen is being put together before our very eyes.

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Charlie Kirk, also intimately involved in said activities, and in fact, one of those activities is currently taking up a little bit of his time tonight, and so we're not actually sure if Charlie's gonna be joining us.

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He was supposed to be here, but he may be flying in But do not worry, do not fear, because we've got a fantastic thought crime lineup for you tonight. And joining us as well is Blake Neff. What's up, Blake?

00:02:43 Speaker_02
Howdy, Jack. Good to have you. You look like you are inside the sun right now, but I'm sure it's all for the best.

00:02:51 Speaker_04
I've got like a light. I've got like a light on my thing. I could turn it down. Am I still inside the sun? How's that? You're still somewhat inside the sun. As opposed to you, who looks like you've never seen the sun.

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Yeah, you know, it's just part of the color, as it were, or the lack of color, we might say.

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We have a special guest today because I think Andrew's on a plane, and I think Tyler was like, I have to help some Republicans, or some lame excuse like that. Whatever. We have one of the men who made our victory in this election possible.

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This is Matthew Martinez. He is with Chase the Vote over at Turning Point Action. I would visit him every day before the election. I would go in and I would say, are we going to win? And he would be like, 110 percent, Blake, we're going to win.

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And look at what happened. And we won. So if we'd lost, we might have thrown him off the building. But we won. So he doesn't have to get thrown off the building. And instead, he's the hero. That's the stakes of winning and losing.

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Thanks, Blake. Thanks for the introduction. And you know what? I do have a little bit more sun. We're calling here at sunny Phoenix, Arizona. Spent a lot of time outside of my life, you know.

00:04:00 Speaker_06
And actually, before I got into politics, I actually did a lot of AC work on roofs and attics, right? So I spent a lot of sun. So that gave me, you know, a little bit more of my complexion. Right being here in Arizona, but you know welcome.

00:04:15 Speaker_06
Thanks for having me on the show of course of course.

00:04:17 Speaker_02
Thank you Thank you for stepping in Well the first topic we have I think we were all in agreement. We had to hit this we have We have armed lunatics murdering CEOs right in the streets of America

00:04:31 Speaker_02
The CEO of United Healthcare, that's one of the nation's largest health insurers, was, you'd say, gunned down in the streets of New York, but that's kind of selling it short. He was basically assassinated.

00:04:44 Speaker_02
A guy came up, pulled a suppressed pistol, shot him, made a planned getaway, it seems.

00:04:52 Speaker_02
it seems police are closing in they have a photo of him they seem to even know where the suspect kind of how he traveled up to central park yeah he traveled there on a bus from atlanta by the sounds of it now oh they haven't released a name for the person so my guess is maybe they were able to

00:05:10 Speaker_02
Have they have they released today?

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I mean, I I have to imagine they have a name by now if you've got that much information You know, which bus he took, you know, which uh, they're talking about the hostel that he stayed at they have that they're talking about Well, I guess I'm sure they would I guaranteed it

00:05:28 Speaker_02
The name then so people could ask for information potentially like if they if they know who they're looking for but I guess Now that I think about it.

00:05:37 Speaker_04
They don't seem to do that One of the things was that apparently the guy was traveling with a fake ID and So it could be that the name they currently have is the fake name that he used to check into the hostel.

00:05:51 Speaker_04
And then if he was traveling on the bus, then potentially, yeah, he wouldn't need, you know, wouldn't really need to buy a ticket in name if you, you know, if you paid cash, if you did it in a smart way.

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So it's possible that they have a name, but it's just a fake name. And they're just kind of you know, whittling down.

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I mean, either way, here's what I want to say, so I understand we probably can't, can we play the video or, you know, we're on rumble, right? I don't know if that's doable or not, but the question is though, the first thing I want to say is that

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When this video first dropped, I remember it was going viral, people were looking at it, Charlie was looking at it, he was asking me about it. And people kept saying, Oh, this thing is so professional. It's a professional hit. This is the real deal.

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This is what it really looks like. And I remember watching it going, this is a joke. This guy's a LARPer. This is a guy who's just like, watched too many Liam Neeson movies and like, too many Jack Reacher episodes, Jack Ryan and things he knows.

00:06:49 Speaker_04
what he's supposed to do. And it was hilariously sloppy, hilariously bad. And I think that the more, it's like his gun jams at one point and then he slaps it. All right, we're playing the video. All right, here it is.

00:07:02 Speaker_04
I mean, this is just despicable stuff. Just straight up despicable, evil, disgusting. I've stayed at that hotel. You know, this is the Midtown Hilton. This is where Trump had his first victory speech. In 2016, this is where Trump's victory party was.

00:07:20 Speaker_04
It was the same, if it's the same Midtown Hilton, which I think it is, this is where Trump held his, yeah, his 2016 victory, was in that very same hotel.

00:07:29 Speaker_04
I was there that night, I was standing right, I remember at one point standing right there as Trump was walking in down that very same sidewalk, when was that, November 3rd of 2016, and we were still in the fourth, you know, at like three in the morning, and I'm walking by and I watched, there was a,

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fire truck there and I watched John Podesta's speech like on this like little TV that was in the side of the fire truck. And sorry, yeah, no, I mean, it doesn't, it's not connected to what happened.

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It's just my memory of that sidewalk, that very same stretch of sidewalk is so vivid. And then to think that there was this murder that took place there was crazy.

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But what was the, Blake, there's another piece of it where we also apparently found out how it is that this guy slipped his mask

00:08:17 Speaker_02
Oh yeah, so just breaking now, we were seeing this, we have a photo of the shooter where his mask is down. And apparently the way they got this was a woman was flirting with him at the hostel that he stayed at. I called it.

00:08:32 Speaker_05
I called it.

00:08:33 Speaker_02
And asked him to pull down his mask while she was flirting with him. And then you can see there, he's got his mask pulled down and is smiling at her. Wow.

00:08:41 Speaker_03
He's got that Mac in face. He's got that face like a Mac. You know, I'm something of an assassin myself. You can see it.

00:08:47 Speaker_02
A pure hideous incel shooter would have never made that mistake. He would still be on the run, no clues left behind.

00:09:01 Speaker_04
And so there were some clues that were left behind and this was, you know, apparently was done. So I remember one of the first things I said was, you know, why leave shells? You're leaving shell casings everywhere.

00:09:13 Speaker_04
They're going to be able to identify the gun. And it turns out that the shell casings were left on purpose with a sort of message. Do you have that?

00:09:23 Speaker_02
I don't know if we have photos of it, but the actual words were delay, defend, and depose. I think depose probably referring to depositions that you would do in a legal case. And so that gets into the second part of this, which is so interesting.

00:09:40 Speaker_02
He was, he's a health insurance CEO. Health insurance companies are not super popular in America because they're the ones you have to interact with and are very expensive. Healthcare system, healthcare costs a lot.

00:09:53 Speaker_02
They sometimes deny claims or contest claims. And, you know, the claim is especially that this company in particular allegedly is maybe more aggressive in contesting claims.

00:10:04 Speaker_02
And so what you have on the Internet, if you check Twitter or if you check the liberal haven of blue sky, you have people just overtly celebrating this murder. They're saying this is great. We got what we deserve. I hope this guy makes it out.

00:10:18 Speaker_04
Those words apparently are reference to a title of a book. right? This book that was written, Jay Feynman, Delay, Deny, Defend, which is exactly what you're talking about.

00:10:30 Speaker_04
It's a book that was written about insurance companies who don't pay the claims, what you can do about it. So it was this whole like,

00:10:38 Speaker_04
famous, you know, in those circles, you know, cut off of the insurance agency, a real grievance, by the way, a true grievance.

00:10:45 Speaker_04
I'm not saying it's not a true grievance, but apparently the writing, the words on the bullet casings were a direct reference to this book, you know, that was anti-insurance companies.

00:10:58 Speaker_02
yeah precisely and so it's it's a valid it's a valid critique to say that these companies deny too many claims but it's very dark that you're seeing this pivot towards people just overtly celebrating a what is an appalling murder in the streets and i'll be honest i'm a little upset i think even on the right i don't see people quite as

00:11:24 Speaker_02
Opposed to this as they should be you're young you might have a good. Yeah, dude.

00:11:29 Speaker_02
I feel like there's a lot of pro There's a lot of sympathy towards like underdogs however defined even if they're criminals sure or just the sort of chaotic element among young people where they think America's a scam or America's rigged and it makes them inclined to Cheer for people who are violent criminals.

00:11:48 Speaker_06
It depends on the side of my generation right for these younger people amongst students If you're attending all these woke colleges, they're probably gonna be parading a little bit more about this shooting, unfortunately. Sickening, it really is.

00:12:01 Speaker_06
It's a gross mindset to have. And this is, it could be anybody, right? These are the same people that were parading when President Trump got shot, right? They were just all excited, right? This is disgusting. Right.

00:12:15 Speaker_06
But these are also the same people who are against all these gun control or are for all this gun control people. So it doesn't make any sense. It's a oxymoron, frankly, amongst these people.

00:12:26 Speaker_06
But there's also another factor or I guess set of people my age who are recognizing what's going on, right?

00:12:35 Speaker_06
And they're seeing that this is sickening regardless of political sides or whomever it is, even if it's the most, although he is the CEO of the eighth largest company in the world, I believe.

00:12:49 Speaker_02
Maybe the eighth largest health and health. Yeah, something like that. The eighth largest overall. Now, I don't know. I don't know. My my company is

00:12:55 Speaker_06
But regardless, even if the Robin Hood idea, right, what we care about in a lot of my generation is justice. I think my generation is probably one of the largest, has this mindset of justice needs to be served with whomever, right?

00:13:14 Speaker_06
So that's why you see my generation protest at the drop of a pen sometimes, right? Because they want to see justice. So it is, we're seeing a mix in my generation, but I have also seen some things too.

00:13:29 Speaker_06
Some, I think I saw it on Blue Skies, the Democrat little organization, the Twitter of Democrats. Democrats and pedophiles. Yeah.

00:13:39 Speaker_02
Those are the two groups on Blue Skies.

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Make sure to say, right, they're mapped minor attracted persons, Blake. We don't want you to miss You even call it misorienting, misorienting the pedos. No, we can't have that. This is thought crime after all. This is a very classy production.

00:14:00 Speaker_04
No, but here's the thing.

00:14:02 Speaker_04
With what's going on, this is, so Blake, you and I did Chronicles of the Revolution last year, the podcast series, which then we turned into the book, Unhumans, The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them.

00:14:17 Speaker_04
the ideology that we wrote about in the book with Joshua Lysak came in and was the co-author of it and we talked exactly about the ideology of communists and how this stuff spreads.

00:14:30 Speaker_04
They take grievances and then they decide that they can just kill, maim, steal anyone who is on the other side of or not, right? So either a perceived false grievance or a real grievance. And sure, these are real grievances. I'm not saying they're not.

00:14:46 Speaker_04
We've all had all sorts of issues with health insurance companies. But that doesn't mean you can just pick up a gun and go start murdering people on the street.

00:14:55 Speaker_04
And the problem is that when I see conservatives going in and saying, oh, yeah, you know, take it to the elites, you know, take it to the man, etc. Guess what? They view you as the man too.

00:15:06 Speaker_04
They view you and Donald Trump and your family and anyone else as this because they see you as unhuman. They see you as an invasive species. They see you as standing in the way of their utopia. And ultimately,

00:15:21 Speaker_04
It's not about justice and social justice and equity and all these fancy window dressing words that they use to kind of, you know, church it up to try to dress it up. No, it's about envy. It's about grievance. It's about pity, resentment, and hatred.

00:15:37 Speaker_04
And so rather than do something to fix the situation, they just want to rob, kill, and destroy. continue, they will rob, kill, and destroy everyone until they are the only ones standing.

00:15:54 Speaker_04
I hate to say it, but we took a lot of crap when we put that book out, and it did very, very well. And look, we saw this coming and it actually doesn't surprise me at all.

00:16:07 Speaker_04
And Taylor Lorenz, by the way, is someone else who she posted, I don't know what they call them on Blue Sky, but she posted it, made a post on Blue Sky where she was saying that, oh, and they wonder why we want to kill healthcare CEOs.

00:16:21 Speaker_04
The day after, I guess the day of an assassination, cold blood like this,

00:16:27 Speaker_04
And so people saying, well, wait a minute, isn't this miss, you know, COVIDian Taylor Lorenz, and she's so, so worried about COVID and she spent months planning this like book launch. So it would be COVID friendly and COVID safe.

00:16:41 Speaker_04
And I say, wait a minute, how could she be so worried about that and about getting one person's Again, it's because they don't view you as human. They view you as something that is sub, something that is lesser, and they want you out of the way.

00:17:00 Speaker_04
And their reasons for it at that point actually don't matter because they will condone any level of violence in order to achieve their ends. It's all based in resentment.

00:17:11 Speaker_04
And by the way, it's the same thing that's been going back since the French Revolution.

00:17:15 Speaker_02
Yeah, you mentioned the Taylor Lorenz thing. I think we should highlight what she actually said, since a lot of people can't actually see it.

00:17:22 Speaker_02
So first, right after this happened, there was a news story with a separate health care company, Blue Cross Blue Shield. There was a dispute.

00:17:31 Speaker_02
I don't know the full details on it, but I guess Blue Cross was saying they were not going to pay for the full cost of anesthesia in some surgeries. And they backtracked on this, because there was a lot of backlash to it.

00:17:44 Speaker_02
All I would say is, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out there's scumbag doctors out there who keep you under too long, because then they can bilk, insure. There's a shocking amount of medical fraud in America.

00:17:56 Speaker_02
But whatever that case, even if they're really bad. And she replies to this. This is right after the shooting. And people wonder why we want these executives dead. And then she does various tweets. She does all these various other posts on Blue Sky.

00:18:12 Speaker_02
uh where someone said like you're posting your own sentiment don't she tries to backtrack later he says don't backtrack uh people shouldn't celebrate murder and she replies murder like what happens every year to thousands of innocent americans killed by greedy insurance executives denying their coverage

00:18:32 Speaker_06
uh you should probably understand this because taylor lorenz is approximately your age i believe she's somewhere between 18 and 50 these these people are the same people who say eat the rich they've been saying this for many many many years and it's been subliminal this is absolutely subliminal so when you have that same mindset that same campaign

00:18:53 Speaker_06
of attack the rich, eat the rich, despise those who make more. Right. It's it's going to cause motivation. And this is what we're seeing in New York. This is what happened just a few days ago.

00:19:06 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:19:06 Speaker_04
And what I remember that, hey, do you remember that movie Parasite? Oh, the Korean movie? The Korean movie years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So that movie is and it won like Academy Award or something. And that was a movie where the left was loving this thing.

00:19:24 Speaker_04
They thought it was so wonderful. It was like, oh, it's this great, you know, this great film, blah, blah, blah. And that's exactly what it was about. It was about a group of people who go to work for a family.

00:19:42 Speaker_04
And yeah, it won Best Picture at the Academy Award. So it won the Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best International Feature Film. It won a ton of things.

00:19:53 Speaker_04
And it was the first non-English film to win the Best Picture at the Academy Award. So the first foreign film to win, or non-English foreign film to win the Academy Award for Best Picture, this movie Parasite. And what was it about?

00:20:09 Speaker_04
It was about a family that essentially hires a rich family that hires a working class family to go and work for them and the working class family eventually just murders everyone in the rich family and ruins their lives and it's

00:20:25 Speaker_04
The rich family doesn't actually do anything wrong to the working class family, but we're told that the working class family are the heroes because they rose up and killed the rich people who hired them.

00:20:39 Speaker_04
And I remember sitting watching this movie getting all these accolades saying, what's going on? Why are we supposed to hate these people who, okay, yeah, sure, maybe they have this privileged life in terms of,

00:20:52 Speaker_04
wealth and in terms of how well they've done for themselves in their lives, and yet they don't really get into how hard they worked or any of the sacrifices they had to make to be able to get to that level, etc.

00:21:04 Speaker_04
We're just told that you're supposed to hate them because they're rich, and therefore the working-class family is justified in killing the rich family because of the wealth disparity. And it was crazy.

00:21:18 Speaker_04
And this won the Academy Award literally like five years ago. And I remember sitting there watching this going, why is nobody else talking about it? You're right. It's this eat the rich mentality. And yet it's totally been mainstreamed.

00:21:31 Speaker_02
yeah i mean even uh... i'm i'm looking at our comments on the stream and you know we have purple daffodil saying it's like when people are sad when child murderers get murdered in prison well okay but the guy who runs a bit earlier that is not a different is not a is not a child murderer they are a person runs a controversial business and that may require a policy action but what i've been warning cuz i've

00:21:58 Speaker_02
I've talked to people relatively on our side who didn't care about this, were blasé about it, thought, oh, it seems like this guy deserves it. And all I have to say is the people who are defending this would defend any other, like,

00:22:13 Speaker_02
unfamous white guy CEO getting shot. They would find a reason to justify it. They'd say, he pays a low wage. He doesn't pay workers enough. There was a sexual harassment lawsuit at his company. His company is racist. They don't hire enough divers.

00:22:28 Speaker_02
They would find the outsources to this or that country that's bad. They would find a reason to hate this person because what this is really rooted in is a fundamental resentment. They're basically happy that a White male CEO got shot.

00:22:45 Speaker_02
Yeah, and they would find a reason to celebrate this because white male not famous CEO is a is a kulak class to Reference that if you're familiar with it the Kulaks were at we've talked about on the show they were the targets of the Bolsheviks it was like the prosperous peasants of early Soviet Russia and That's kind of what?

00:23:10 Speaker_02
The Antifa wing of America wants to expropriate, and they're not just focused on billionaires.

00:23:16 Speaker_02
They're very much focused on anyone who owns a company, is the head of a company, is conventionally successful in America, who isn't entirely subsumed into this left-wing apparatus. Purple Daffodil's fighting back.

00:23:35 Speaker_02
He says it has nothing to do with him being a white male. Well, yes it does. It absolutely does for a lot of people. Maybe not you specifically, but for the bulk of people celebrating this, absolutely. Absolutely.

00:23:47 Speaker_04
And I'm not seeing the chat. I don't have it up, but look, here's the issue, right? Is if you think, oh, it's not that big of a deal, you know, it was just this one guy. Well, guess what? Guess what?

00:23:58 Speaker_04
If you don't crack down on things like this, guess who they're going to come for next? And they're going to keep going. And then they'll go for, what else, the Trump family?

00:24:08 Speaker_04
They've already taken, what, two shots at Donald Trump or, you know, the guy tried to over here in West Palm a couple of weeks. Literally, Jake, a couple of weeks ago, Donald Trump almost was killed.

00:24:19 Speaker_04
And then a couple of weeks before that, his head was almost blown off on stage. Do you think, oh, he deserved that too?

00:24:26 Speaker_04
No, you have to crack down on this stuff in every single instance that it takes place, because if you ever open it up, it doesn't stop. And you hear this all the time.

00:24:36 Speaker_04
I hear people on the right, they say, oh, you know, Blake, they'll say the Romanoff family, well, they deserved it. You know, they did World War I, and that was stupid. And, you know, the czar was committing troops against the Kaiser.

00:24:47 Speaker_04
And it was, you know, it was just really bad. you know, who cares, and he forced people to be serfs, even though serfdom had actually already been outlawed at that point, but they'll just, they'll just go in on all this stuff.

00:24:59 Speaker_04
And we'll never actually consider the consequences of where it leads. It always leads to piles of skulls. And guess what, you think, oh, I'm cool. I supported it. I went in on your little, you know, anti elite venture. Well, guess what,

00:25:13 Speaker_04
That's not going to save you when you get lined up in the trench with your family and you get the bullet, you get the muzzle of the gun pointed at the back of your head. Sorry. Oh, well, you know, it's just another white CEO.

00:25:26 Speaker_04
No, like you really need to stop and you really need to wake up and grow up right now because this stuff is incredibly serious.

00:25:35 Speaker_02
Yeah, it's just I and another thing pointed out is just someone says it's just surprising the guy didn't have security and I would like to fight back against that too. I don't think we should consider it normal for everyone in America.

00:25:51 Speaker_04
They did say apparently that there had been some like I don't know all the details yet because it's still shaking out. We're in the fog of crime on this.

00:25:58 Speaker_04
But they said that he did actually have home security because I think there had been some threatening messages or something that had come out. And so he had home security, but for some reason they weren't with him at this hotel.

00:26:12 Speaker_02
Even that, I don't want us to turn into South Africa where every person who has a net worth over a million dollars needs a special, dedicated, full-time private security person. I think that's deranged. I don't think that's a good way to live.

00:26:27 Speaker_02
And as I've warned people, if that is the way of life people end up having to live in, that is what will make people pro-gun control. If they feel, I need to be armed at all times because it is, like,

00:26:38 Speaker_02
constant threat of violence against me that is what is going to make people say screw it police state like take away everyone's guns like it's not good if tons of people are living in constant terror that they will be assassinated that is a path of a path of decline uh i think we're all in agreement on this but i would encourage everyone who's watching who disagrees to change their minds because

00:27:06 Speaker_04
What else what else are they saying also that what else the disagree are saying?

00:27:10 Speaker_02
Oh, there's going Yeah, I'm just I like that we can respond to the top of the comments today That's you know, obviously a lot of people are alive by the way So if you want to if you want to comment, please do I just a lot of people are saying insurers when people's lives what I will also say here, okay, I'm not it feels awkward to do this, but

00:27:28 Speaker_02
Within the grand scheme of the American healthcare system, insurers are the meat shield. They exist to take the hate of everyone for a system that is created by a lot of people. Hospitals inflate healthcare costs. Doctors inflate healthcare costs.

00:27:48 Speaker_02
The government inflates healthcare costs. Pharmaceutical companies inflate healthcare costs. Everyone inflates healthcare costs. And if you completely got rid of the cut taken by insurance companies, took them out of the picture, and we just imagined

00:28:04 Speaker_02
all there was a zero percent profit on all health insurance and that was what it was we would still have the most expensive health care system in the world and all those procedures that you want to get would still be monstrously expensive and it's not that health care comp insurance companies are always great because they do have this sinister incentive to try to deny care when they can

00:28:26 Speaker_02
The system itself is enormously messed up and you would still be having to pay way too much for tons of procedures if the insurance companies didn't exist.

00:28:37 Speaker_02
And I think people are afraid to confront this because they want to imagine that the American healthcare system is easy to fix. And unfortunately, it's such a calamity that it is almost impossible to fix.

00:28:50 Speaker_02
It would be like popping the world's largest tumor or something. Can you pop a tumor?

00:28:57 Speaker_04
I don't know. I guess I'll just say, look, you know, this came up when we were doing the On Humans book so many times, and you see communists and far leftists using actual grievances over and over in order to fuel this type of revolutionary violence.

00:29:14 Speaker_04
And unfortunately, you get a lot of people who will start saying, Oh, well, he deserved it. And, you know, don't worry that it's happening to that guy. And, you know, I see people in the chat right now saying, you know, it's,

00:29:26 Speaker_04
you know, it's their fault, you know, they chose to be victims. Someone is saying people are treated badly and it shouldn't have happened, you know, you shouldn't have done that. Let's see, you know, the corruption, helplessness.

00:29:38 Speaker_04
Look, look, look, number one, number one, it is, it is, it is absolutely sinful.

00:29:43 Speaker_04
it is completely sinful, it is a direct violation of the Ten Commandments, and it's unquestionably, unquestionably breaking one of God's commandments to do this type of activity, as is all communism, by the way.

00:29:58 Speaker_04
Then when you go beyond that, if you're condoning it, that means you're actually condoning the breaking of the commandment. So it's completely activity. That's a huge, just basic, like one-on-one level thing.

00:30:11 Speaker_04
Number two, though, for people who say, okay, this is legitimate grievance, it is. And that's why you have to, as a government, you have to come in and find ways to meet that grievance, find some kind of compromise to bring down whatever.

00:30:27 Speaker_04
Look, we didn't have a revolution in the United States when there were communist revolutions all over the world. Why? Because the government did come in and institute reforms or the working class. They introduced the weekend.

00:30:38 Speaker_04
They introduced the 40-hour work week. There were so many things, fringe benefits, which became benefits of which, by the way, health insurance was one of the things that was interesting.

00:30:50 Speaker_04
I mean, Blake, from a historical perspective, you're talking about insurance companies. The idea that your job gave you insurance is actually, like in the grand scheme of things, a fairly new type of

00:31:03 Speaker_04
just this facet of having employment, because this was never originally considered something, you know, a job was, here's your wage and have fun, you know, go to the hospital if there's some issue with you.

00:31:13 Speaker_04
So, you know, even that, the whole system of health insurance,

00:31:17 Speaker_04
And tying of that to the employment system was something that was brought in as one of these compromises, historically speaking, you know, going back about 100 years ago or 80 years ago in, in, you know, the progressive era and then in the 1930s as well.

00:31:33 Speaker_04
And again, I'm not defending any of it. Obviously, like I stand for all sorts of government reform. Look what we just spent the entire last year doing, you know, that's, this is the populist movement after all.

00:31:44 Speaker_04
But I'm saying, what I'm very, very emphatically saying is you cannot condone wanton leftist revolutionary violence, which is what it does seem like this was.

00:31:54 Speaker_02
Yeah. In the end, violence, chaotic violence always favors the left. There is a reason the left has used it throughout its entire history. Jack, you want to read our ad?

00:32:07 Speaker_04
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00:33:07 Speaker_02
So we could keep on this, Jack, or we could go to one of the second topics. We could talk about what we want to do on day one of Doge, or we could talk about Bitcoin hitting $100,000. Oh my gosh, look at this.

00:33:19 Speaker_04
It's not a thought crime to not be sad when evil people are murdered. Oh my gosh, look at this. Look at this. I'm not defending a murder, but this is like a revolt in the chat. The chat's rising up against us.

00:33:38 Speaker_02
It's thought crime versus the thought chat. Oh, man. People are sharing their stories, which I don't want to discount any of those things, saying insurance refused. And we're not. TexasCat117.

00:33:52 Speaker_02
He's saying insurance refused $3,000 of anesthesia on his knee. I refused after paying $20,000 in premium and deductible. It's a scam or a crime. And I think, you know, big picture what you can say is,

00:34:08 Speaker_02
It's definitely worrisome whenever you have a system that is making a lot of people defend violent murders. It's what Tucker would say on his show.

00:34:19 Speaker_02
He would talk a lot about, and in his book, Ship of Fools, he would say, as a leader, you have a responsibility to not let the system go until it sparks a revolution.

00:34:33 Speaker_02
We've very much said our piece on that murder is bad, but you definitely have to think it is a red flag if there are all these people online who are celebrating it or defending it or justifying it or at least indifferent to it.

00:34:49 Speaker_02
For me this goes back to what I was talking to Matthew before he had never heard of Occupy Wall Street Jack I had to look it up.

00:34:56 Speaker_02
He had to look up what Occupy Wall Street was I was in elementary school when you Elementary school, I didn't watch the news I always do this.

00:35:07 Speaker_05
So how do you heard of Star Wars? Oh

00:35:13 Speaker_06
Yeah, of course.

00:35:14 Speaker_05
All right, I see where you're going. And how old were you when Star Wars came out?

00:35:18 Speaker_06
I wasn't even, I wasn't born. I wasn't born. I mean, it depends on what episode.

00:35:22 Speaker_04
So that's not actually an arc. Okay, go ahead.

00:35:25 Speaker_02
but yeah so you know you do have this is what i this is the thing about occupy wall street was it was very cringe it was very bad actually was a proto element for so many very annoying things in what would be the politics of the two thousand tens it was also and i'll justin ominous sign generally for america that you have this level of like of populist anger in against a relative engine of american prosperity and

00:35:55 Speaker_02
Similar to that, the anger at the American health insurance system is not just—it'd be one thing if it was just a threat to the healthcare system, which is frankly mostly bad, I think, but I think it's the sort of thing that if it's not ultimately solved, it will be what justifies just abolishing everything that makes America successful.

00:36:16 Speaker_02
Healthcare is their Trojan horse to just say, we're going to do socialism on the entire economy. We're going to do leveling on the entire economy. We're going to go full Bernie Sanders, full AOC, full Green New Deal.

00:36:30 Speaker_02
And the justification is going to be that your health insurance company sometimes screwed you on fees. And it does, there is this nihilist impulse that we do have to worry about.

00:36:46 Speaker_06
So what was the goal of the Occupy Wall Street?

00:36:49 Speaker_02
That's a good question. We never found out. Really? That was part of the gimmick of it was they showed up in Wall Street. They would say, what is our one demand? And they didn't know.

00:36:59 Speaker_02
The idea was they would gather in their sort of populist commune in Zuccotti Park, and then they would decide what their one demand would be. And they didn't get around to figuring it out before they sent in the police and cleared them out.

00:37:10 Speaker_02
It was all a very entertaining spectacle.

00:37:13 Speaker_02
which I remember because I was in college when it happened and you were in the third grade or something somewhere around there you know I wasn't oh you were in fifth grade I was in fifth grade when 9-11 happened I noticed 9-11 I'm just I'm just saying you know that's what separates I'll tell you one though I was

00:37:32 Speaker_04
So I'm obviously a little bit older than that, but I was alive for the LA riots and I would have been, I guess, in second or third grade. And I didn't know anything about them until, now keep in mind, this is pre-internet era.

00:37:48 Speaker_04
So it was hard to kind of like know about history unless you, you know, had books or listened to conservative talk radio. This is why, by the way, the conservative talk radio was so subversive because they would just simply break

00:38:01 Speaker_04
bring up things that you wouldn't hear anywhere else. And we still have that, but it's way more prevalent because of social media. That back at the time, you know, there were no alternative forms of media that you would ever hear any of this stuff.

00:38:15 Speaker_04
And pre-internet, it was very hard. So I had never heard of the LA riots until I was like in college. I want to say until, yeah, it was definitely until I was in college that I'd heard about it.

00:38:25 Speaker_04
And I was like, I can't believe this all happened when I was a kid. And I had no idea that it even took place.

00:38:31 Speaker_02
Let's see, have the masses yelled at us further.

00:38:34 Speaker_04
So do people understand what we're saying? Do people understand what we're saying is we agree. We totally agree that there are actual issues with the healthcare system. I'm not defending the healthcare system. I'm not defending rich people.

00:38:48 Speaker_04
I'm not defending like any of those things necessarily. But I am number one saying that you can't just hate someone for being rich. And number two, I'm also saying that you can't just live.

00:39:02 Speaker_04
you go in to wanton mass murder like this of people who are in cold blood, because that is the path to absolute societal destruction. It is absolute societal destruction. to continue down one of these paths, Spanish Civil War.

00:39:21 Speaker_04
In the Spanish Civil War, when the revolutionaries got power, they killed 10% of the clergy, 10% of the priests and nuns in the entire country of Spain were murdered in the Spanish Civil War when the communists took over.

00:39:34 Speaker_04
So again, guys, this is where that stuff goes. It's Bolshevism, it's Chairman Mao, it's the Red Guards, and this is what they do. This was the metronome in our book. This is what they do.

00:39:46 Speaker_04
They find someone who is an unsympathetic target and they say, oh, we're just going to go after them. We're just going to do this. But again, we're not going to use prosecution. We're not going to use FBI.

00:39:58 Speaker_04
By the way, Blake and Matthew, how funny is it, how ironic is it that the same people who say, Oh, well, we can't let cash Patel, you know, conduct an investigation into people who have committed government wrongdoing.

00:40:12 Speaker_04
But oh, it's totally fine to just go and murder somebody on the street.

00:40:15 Speaker_02
Yeah, that's very much a real thing. The same people who will attack any like organized use of justice that might be reasonable that might be control under control.

00:40:25 Speaker_02
are the ones they will celebrate any unhinged form of violence, chaotic form of violence. The left is fundamentally the party of entropy. They benefit from chaos. That's why 2020 worked the way it did.

00:40:40 Speaker_02
that you would just start tearing away elements of civilization and let people just go maximal primal destructive urges and then they torch Minneapolis, they torch DC, they torch America itself.

00:40:54 Speaker_06
This is right from the prince. Machiavelli writes, in order for you to be the prince or the ruler, you need to first burn the farms and then be the hero of the farms. This is exactly what we're seeing on the ground.

00:41:06 Speaker_06
We're seeing these, and you saw this in the BLM riots. You saw this with even the LA riots, right? I know that was before me, but I did do my research, right? That's where we get the Going back to the Korean stuff.

00:41:17 Speaker_02
Have you heard of the LA riots?

00:41:20 Speaker_05
Yeah, I have, I have. Okay. I mean, we're being careful.

00:41:24 Speaker_02
I've read a few books. This guy helped us win the election. Did you know we had elections before you were born?

00:41:29 Speaker_06
You're telling me now for the very first time. Right. But going back to Machiavelli, he writes this, right? And we saw this in Minneapolis. You mentioned this, right? Where they started rioting.

00:41:41 Speaker_06
They burned down their cities, and it just so happened that the social justice warriors of the BLM movement were also the heroes in that situation. This is straight from their playbook. This happens time after time, but we have to be aware.

00:41:56 Speaker_06
I mean, this goes back to George... Sorry, go ahead.

00:41:59 Speaker_02
We have a guy in the comments, Mel6591, says he was there at the Watts riots.

00:42:04 Speaker_04
wow that's man that one that's a historically important riot and two like remember that was a while ago god bless you right like the peaceful like the peaceful 60s right the peaceful and the non-violent peaceful non-violent movement of the 1960s

00:42:22 Speaker_04
And you say, well, what about all this violence? No, no, no, no, no, that violence is separate. Those riots, the Watts riots, or the Newark riots, where they had snipers on the roof shooting people at random.

00:42:34 Speaker_04
I mean, for people who think that it's okay to condone something like this, I'm just gonna say, you know, again and again, this is, it leads to, again, we wrote a whole book about it.

00:42:44 Speaker_04
You know, it's Christmas time, so yeah, you know, on humansbook.com, go check it out, go read the book, and you will see. you will see that anytime, you know, look at this, you're, oh, look at that, you're defending greed.

00:42:57 Speaker_04
You are defending greed, right? No, we're actually opposing murder and we're opposing chaos and we're opposing communism. It's possible to oppose greed without just murdering people wantonly in the streets, as it turns out.

00:43:13 Speaker_04
In fact, I don't recall any time where Jesus called for us to just go and rise up and start murdering people for being greedy.

00:43:22 Speaker_04
In fact, no, he requires us to go and try to pray for them, to try to work on them, to convert them, to get them to see the error of their ways. Yeah, maybe drive them out of the temple or something like that.

00:43:34 Speaker_04
But you'd be hard pressed to find any example of Jesus Christ condoning murder anywhere in un-Christian. It is in fact the antithesis of Christianity.

00:43:48 Speaker_02
Amen, amen. Do we have anything else we want to say on this? Do we want to go around the horn on Doge or on Bitcoin? I think we have 12 minutes left before Jack has to evacuate by helicopter.

00:43:57 Speaker_03
I do, yeah.

00:43:59 Speaker_02
What do you prefer, Jack? You get to pick. Or you can pick something entirely unrelated. Or we can just keep arguing with the ThoughtCrime chat.

00:44:07 Speaker_04
I love this. The chat's going, man. The chat is going. Look at this. Read about the French Revolution, the murder of the Hawkeye 102. Read about the French Revolution, murder of aristocrats, some of them poor themselves, was conducted gleefully.

00:44:20 Speaker_04
Yeah, Blake, you know, that's

00:44:22 Speaker_04
But for anyone who wants to read more, the book is Unhumans, or you could go, Blake and I did a whole podcast series on this right around this time last year regarding, and we did a whole episode on the French Revolution, and it was horrific.

00:44:34 Speaker_04
The French Revolution and the Reign of Terror of Robespierre, when the Jacobin Club basically took power of the state there, it didn't end with King Louis and Marie Antoinette.

00:44:47 Speaker_04
Remember, by the way, Marie Antoinette was murdered simply for being married to the king.

00:44:56 Speaker_04
They decided that to be the king was a betrayal of the French people, and therefore he was murdered for being the king, and she was murdered for participating in that by being married to the king.

00:45:06 Speaker_04
And no, the quote about let them eat cake was never actually uttered by

00:45:11 Speaker_04
her, it was uttered by her opponents, and this kept going and the guillotine kept swinging down until the very last one was the nun, the Sisters of Kopenyon, this group of I think 12 nuns who lived in a cloister who refused to renounce their vows and

00:45:28 Speaker_04
And even they were executed right in the center of Paris, where, by the way, President Trump is going to be traveling this weekend. That's another example of the French Revolution, by the way, because the Notre-Dame Cathedral

00:45:42 Speaker_04
was, yeah, we know it was burned in 2019, but did you know that it was also raised during the French Revolution?

00:45:49 Speaker_04
And the 12 statues on the facade of it, the 12 kings of Israel were smashed by the revolutionaries, the stained glass windows, many of them were smashed as well. And in fact, the cathedral itself was deconsecrated

00:46:10 Speaker_04
this sort of atheist science-based ideology, but I you know, that doesn't sound like anything that's going on anywhere today, right guys?

00:46:19 Speaker_02
Jack we have a very important counterpoint that was brought up by someone in the chat. Individual thinker mentions Why is it illegal to fly over North Pole or to go to Antarctica? What do you have to say to that Jack?

00:46:35 Speaker_04
Look, I'm just going to say if there's any Santa deniers that want to step to me in the next 20 days, you're going to get the horns, right? There will be no Santa denial going on.

00:46:44 Speaker_04
It is illegal to fly over the North Pole specifically and Antarctica, which of course is part of his flight route, because you would be disrupting Santa Claus and his North Pole Christmastime operations.

00:46:56 Speaker_04
And if you were to do so, then in that case, you know, I would support prosecution absolutely and incarceration.

00:47:02 Speaker_02
Yeah, people, people attorney, you know, younger people, they're denying Santa over there, are they? There are a few, unfortunately. There are a few. We need to talk to Tyler about this. This is a big problem.

00:47:14 Speaker_04
I brought this. This is actually a question that I've been asking candidates who come in through the transition process for the Trump administration. You know, what are your what are your thoughts on Santa Claus and Santa deniers?

00:47:26 Speaker_04
Straight straight out the door straight out the door and it's a great limousine out get them all out out the door out the out the sleigh lately mate, you know I think buddy the offset at the best the best way to spread the Christmas cheer.

00:47:41 Speaker_06
It's a sing out loud for all to hear Yeah, exactly.

00:47:43 Speaker_02
I actually only saw that movie for the first time recently like but apparently it's like a big I'm the same way actually I saw for the first time last year and Is that the most recent Christmas movie that's like a canonical Christmas movie?

00:47:56 Speaker_06
Do you like Home Alone? Home Alone is my personal favorite. Or Elf.

00:48:02 Speaker_03
Home Alone is great.

00:48:03 Speaker_02
Home Alone is definitely better than Elf. Elf is cute, but Home Alone has a lot of emotional oomph to it.

00:48:12 Speaker_06
You got President Trump in.

00:48:14 Speaker_04
By the way, my kids like Home Alone better too.

00:48:19 Speaker_02
Yeah, the Wet Bandits would support CEO assassination. That's what our audience should keep in mind.

00:48:25 Speaker_05
And Sticky Bandit.

00:48:27 Speaker_02
People are voting Elf in the chat. I'm a little surprised. I think Home Alone's really good. I don't feel like Elf has anything comparable.

00:48:36 Speaker_05
It's Sean Hughes, I'm sorry, no.

00:48:38 Speaker_02
Yeah, and meeting the dad who's estranged from his son in the church, I don't think Elf has anything quite like that.

00:48:45 Speaker_04
By the way, Home Alone, also is one of the last movies that you can see, maybe not last, but it certainly is towards the end of movies that were huge tentpole mainstream movies that feature scenes

00:49:03 Speaker_04
These were just inserted into movies that were non-religious movies.

00:49:10 Speaker_04
There's a whole subplot that revolves around the next-door neighbor going to see his granddaughter, who's estranged, and the son is estranged, and he wants to go see her at the church.

00:49:22 Speaker_04
And he goes there, and this is just something that's been totally excised from all of mainstream media, particularly Hollywood media, the idea of a character just going to church on a regular basis.

00:49:36 Speaker_04
And don't tell me for a second that that hasn't had an effect on the broader society, because I absolutely believe that it has.

00:49:43 Speaker_02
Absolutely, absolutely. And John Hughes was just a great American. I think he's not fully appreciated for that. Just being like an earnest pro-American, like pro all of the good things in America. You know, civic Christianity, patriotism.

00:50:03 Speaker_02
I will never forget how in Uncle Buck you can tell that Uncle Buck is a somewhat disreputable character because he comes home and he has a bag that's for the Chicago Democratic Party. That's how you know not everything is quite right with him.

00:50:19 Speaker_02
Great guy. Recommend all of his movies. But yeah, Home Alone is probably my personal favorite. Obviously, there's the old classics. You'll see people say Christmas story a lot. I think I'm a bit over a Christmas story.

00:50:31 Speaker_02
That might be because it's on 24 hours a day every Christmas and that just gets really tedious after the third time.

00:50:39 Speaker_04
And the new one, they did a sequel to it. They did a sequel where Ralphie is grown up and it's, so he's the dad and then it's with his kids and almost the entire cast returns, at least the surviving cast. And they actually,

00:50:55 Speaker_04
For movies like that, which are usually horrible, this one was actually pretty good.

00:50:59 Speaker_02
Does your generation still watch A Christmas Story? Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's a Christmas classic. I was glad you weren't going. I've never heard of that one. No, my generation's big on Christmas movies.

00:51:10 Speaker_04
I just think it's hilarious. I think it's so funny.

00:51:12 Speaker_02
Is there any new Christmas movie? Is there something that's come out in the last 10 years that young people like?

00:51:18 Speaker_06
It's all secular, unfortunately, all the new Christmas movies. But the classics, at least, have that Christ element to things. They actually talk about why we celebrate Christmas, the purpose of it.

00:51:35 Speaker_02
Ah, man. And just just remember, guys, Polar Express, Polar Express, Polar Express. I kind of tried. That one was a little weird.

00:51:44 Speaker_04
That was just I'm looking at I'm looking at Christmas movies now. Actually, for anyone who's got kids or grandkids, there is a movie that came out. Yeah, I just found this for my kids. a couple of years ago.

00:51:54 Speaker_04
It is an animated film and it's called The Star. And the main character is the donkey from the actual nativity story. So it's the donkey that Mary rides on to Bethlehem.

00:52:11 Speaker_04
And it's this animated film of the nativity story, but told from the perspective of the animals. And so it's like, it's kind of cool and it's great for little kids. And it's just really well done.

00:52:24 Speaker_04
It's obviously full on Christian and it's, it's got a really randomly incredible cast. It's got like Kelly Clarkson, Keegan Michael Key is in there from like, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jordan Peele and, uh, Who else?

00:52:42 Speaker_04
Zachary Levi is in there, who, by the way, just recently came out as a big Trump supporter. Chris Christopherson is in there. Mariah Carey's in there, Tyler Perry. Even Oprah is in there. So it's just Kristen Chenoweth from the original Wicked.

00:52:56 Speaker_04
It's so bizarre that this movie came out and is like unapologetically Christian, and it has a really strong Hollywood cast. And it's just a great movie.

00:53:08 Speaker_02
Now we have all we have all of the people now we're gonna end up closing this We have all the people in the comments are saying that die hard is a Christmas movie Did we debate this a week or two ago?

00:53:17 Speaker_04
I don't want to rehash it if we did so we mentioned it and Look, it's I mean, it's very played out as a meme like it's it's definitely a dead meme it's it's like very 2018 and honestly, it's like it's just something that I

00:53:35 Speaker_02
It's it's it's like I don't know like some people have found it recently and they're like, oh, yeah, it's so cool It was funny like the first time someone said like actually die hards a Christmas movie not go it takes place on Christmas But but no it is not it is not a Christmas movie.

00:53:49 Speaker_02
It is a movie that takes place during now. It's it's really important distinction It didn't come out during Christmas. It doesn't have important Christmas themes. It's just a movie where Christmas is occurring in the background.

00:54:07 Speaker_02
That's why there's a party at the building. That's the only reason for it. And then they play, like, you know, let it snow at the end because it's funny.

00:54:15 Speaker_04
It could be at any other time of year and still be the same exact story and therefore it doesn't pass the Christmas text.

00:54:24 Speaker_02
Related to that, are we all taking part in Wham-A-Geddon this year? Wham-A-Geddon.

00:54:30 Speaker_02
Wham-A-Geddon is where you try to go all of December without hearing the song Last Christmas by Wham, which is a useful thing to do because Last Christmas isn't a Christmas song.

00:54:42 Speaker_02
You could just change every use of the word Christmas in that song to Tuesday. It's a heartbreak song. You could just change the word Christmas to Tuesday, and it would be the same song.

00:54:50 Speaker_02
Like, last Tuesday I gave you my heart, and the very next day you gave it away. Same thing. No, no, no, no, no, no. See, I disagree with it.

00:54:56 Speaker_04
Last Christmas is definitely a Christmas. No, it's a Christmas song because number one, it has the word Christmas in there. And as a song, it is evoking the emotion of Christmas. Christmas is an incredibly emotional time.

00:55:10 Speaker_04
And so, you know, last Christmas I gave you. Gave you my heart for Christmas. That is the giving of gifts gift-giving of course an important Christian tradition To celebrate the birth of Christ.

00:55:23 Speaker_02
Is it? No, I think it's the very next day They gave it away, which means they gave it away on Boxing Day. Is it an anti-boxing day?

00:55:31 Speaker_03
Well, they weren't right so wasn't

00:55:33 Speaker_02
First Michael's British, so I don't know if that's a British Canadian Australian box Australian and British British definitely has box Canada too.

00:55:41 Speaker_02
I think all of the like limey country There is a line in here that says happy Christmas Happy Christmas.

00:55:49 Speaker_06
Yeah, happy Christmas. Not Merry Christmas, but happy Christmas.

00:55:52 Speaker_04
Okay, that's definitely pretty up and late like so here's so the one the one interesting thing for me when it comes to I

00:56:01 Speaker_04
The diehard debate is, so, you know, I was getting way down the weeds on this a couple years ago, and I was saying, look, it's not central to the plot, and it has all, you know, it's just right there. It just happens to take place around Christmas.

00:56:15 Speaker_04
And then someone threw back at me, they said, well, what about the movie White Christmas then? wouldn't the movie White Christmas also not actually fall into that as well?

00:56:25 Speaker_04
Because it has to do with a with a, you know, hotel and some veterans of World War Two veterans. And, you know, all of this, World War Two was a Korean War.

00:56:39 Speaker_02
What year was it? 50 to 53. Yeah, but it's when the movie was set. That I don't know. That I don't know.

00:56:47 Speaker_04
And so, anyway, point being is, you know, does that actually constitute a Christmas movie by that same test?

00:56:56 Speaker_02
Yeah, you know, I know you have a hard out here, Jack. I want to just... Yeah, I just want to say Michael says... Michael says apparently the hip new Christmas movie is Violent Night, which is John Wick with Santa.

00:57:12 Speaker_02
And the theme is getting home for Christmas. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen that either. I worry that after what we just said, it might be against the spirit of Christmas to watch and to watch a Christmas movie about that, but...

00:57:26 Speaker_04
Yeah, there's a bunch of these like, I do watch like I watch the new crop crop of Christmas movies every year. And just because there are popular Christmas movies that come out that don't necessarily make them, as you say, canonical Christmas movies.

00:57:39 Speaker_04
It's a wonderful life like that, that will be watched every year in my house. There's no question. It is, in my mind, by far the best Christmas movie. And really, really strikes a heart of what we were talking about earlier.

00:57:53 Speaker_04
You know, by the way, I will also point out that in It's a Wonderful Life, oh, here we go. Like, I just figured it out. This is how I'm gonna tie together the whole thing.

00:58:02 Speaker_04
In It's a Wonderful Life, why doesn't Jimmy Stewart, why doesn't George Bailey just murder Mr. Potter? Why doesn't he just shoot him in the street? Why doesn't he just take that wheelchair push him off the bridge into the water.

00:58:15 Speaker_04
Wouldn't Clarence the Angel love that? Yeah. Right. So that's a good point, Jack. Would you want Billy to do that?

00:58:22 Speaker_06
You would be screwed in England.

00:58:23 Speaker_02
Yeah, I bet he exploited at least as many people as the United Healthcare allegedly possibly did.

00:58:29 Speaker_04
That was the whole point of the movie, that he was exploiting, that he was taking people's houses away, and he was foreclosing, and that he was turning them all, and then, by the way, in the dystopian version, of course, he turned the entire place into what?

00:58:42 Speaker_04
Gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, and in the dystopian version, I'll never forget this, Mary, who I believe is, I guess, you know, in her, like, 30s, right? If you understand me, Blake, you know where I'm going with this.

00:59:00 Speaker_04
Mary is in her 30s in the dystopian version. And he says, where's Mary, Clarence? Where's Mary? Show me Mary. And he goes, no, George, you don't want to see that. She's closing up the library, George. She never married. She's a spinster.

00:59:15 Speaker_05
She's a cat lady, George. She's an unmarried cat lady.

00:59:23 Speaker_02
And this is what caused him to psychologically break like his his brother being dead didn't shatter him his town Looking like it's you know 2024 America didn't shatter him All the sailors were killed

00:59:41 Speaker_02
None of that mattered nearly as much as his wife becoming a Catholic.

00:59:44 Speaker_04
As Mary being a Catholic at a library. And by the way, so in the 1940s when that movie came out, everyone understood that there was something wrong with that and that should not happen.

00:59:55 Speaker_04
Okay, now we're getting real trouble right now, but I will say that JD Vance, if you look at the exit polls, did you see that poll that was going going around above pet owners.

01:00:05 Speaker_04
And it was like every single pet owner demographic went for Trump, except for one. And which one was that?

01:00:14 Speaker_02
I think we know, Jack. I think we know.

01:00:17 Speaker_04
Godless cat ladies. Did he say that in an interview with Charlie? I feel like it was. It was either Charlie or Tucker.

01:00:27 Speaker_02
I can't I can't remember at this point. I think it was Charlie Classic good times good times. Do you have a hard out Jack? No, I thought I was but I can I can do like 10 more minutes. All righty. All righty.

01:00:40 Speaker_04
Oh, this is great Yeah, they don't love in the chat right now. People are people are men with men with triples Yeah No, Life of Brian is not a Christmas movie. Someone's saying Life of Brian is a Christmas movie.

01:00:53 Speaker_04
No, Life of Brian is not a Christmas movie. Life of Brian is hilarious. Life of Brian by Monty Python is amazing. I'm sure Matthew has no idea what that is. Matthew, do you know what Life of Brian is?

01:01:01 Speaker_02
Love is Blind? I'm sorry, what did you say? Life of Brian? Have you heard of that movie? No. He hasn't heard of Life of Brian.

01:01:07 Speaker_06
When did that come out? Here, I'll look it up. Before I was born.

01:01:11 Speaker_02
Have you heard of Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Of course. Okay, he's heard of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. So it's another Monty Python movie about

01:01:19 Speaker_04
It's about a, yeah, exactly, just lived a cloistered life. So, sheltered childhood.

01:01:26 Speaker_04
So, Life of Brian is a movie where this guy is born in a similar way to Jesus and in a similar place and time as Jesus, but is not actually Jesus and keeps getting accidentally mistaken for Jesus.

01:01:42 Speaker_02
Someone says their favorite Christmas movie of the last 10 years is Fat Man, starring Mel Gibson, which I have never heard of, but it does honestly look pretty remarkable.

01:01:56 Speaker_02
It is an unorthodox slant on holiday traditions that follows a jaded, gritty Santa Claus, played by Mel Gibson, who struggles with ennui, production issues, government interference, and an embittered assassin sent by a vengeful, naughty child.

01:02:12 Speaker_02
The film received mixed reviews. I'm just seeing the cover of this.

01:02:18 Speaker_04
By the way, is Gremlins a Christmas movie? Because he gets Gizmo for Christmas.

01:02:25 Speaker_02
Does it otherwise have Christmas theme? Okay, I'll confess. I've never seen Gremlins.

01:02:30 Speaker_04
I mean, no, it doesn't. But it is the beginning of the movie that he receives the first, you know, Gremlin as a Christmas present.

01:02:39 Speaker_02
someone says planes trains and automobiles that is a thanksgiving movie as we discussed that's like the only thanksgiving movie ever made yeah other than that crappy slasher yes what about charlie brown

01:02:52 Speaker_02
That's not like a theatrical, it's a television special. It's totally different. There are a lot of television specials about Thanksgiving.

01:02:59 Speaker_04
Yeah, so in the last 10 years, you either get, the last 10 years or so of Christmas movies, you either get like a Hallmark kind of Christmas movie, or you get this like gritty kind of Christmas movie.

01:03:13 Speaker_04
By the way, I will say that I am unabashedly supportive of all Hallmark movies. I love Hallmark movies. The point is, that's the world we're fighting for.

01:03:31 Speaker_04
That's the world that, you know, imagine if you could just live in one of those worlds where all you had to worry about was, oh, the town Christmas party needs a fundraiser to save the old inn or something.

01:03:45 Speaker_04
And you've got this wonderful community where people join together and then, you know,

01:03:51 Speaker_04
Sarah is back from the big city and she's she's still single because she's working so hard And then she meets the guy who runs the end and they fall in love If you go and it's like it's like that's the world we're fighting for and that's why I like what what's what's the better Hallmark movie where the man from business city learns how to like let go and reacquaint himself with rural or the woman who's gone to the big city because we have both versions and

01:04:19 Speaker_02
is it better when the woman learns to like go small town life or when the guy is like hooked by a cute girl next door type in the small town city to rule i think that's the better story but but who should be going from the guy or girl which one has the

01:04:36 Speaker_04
Yeah, which one has the character arc? I think the guy.

01:04:38 Speaker_06
The guy going to the rural part, right? Because there's a sense of retaining all this masculinity kind of traits of helping out the city or the town, carrying trees, right? Chopping down trees. I like that sense of movies.

01:04:56 Speaker_06
Bringing that back, I just don't like the softness.

01:04:59 Speaker_04
I like the ones, I take the opposite route.

01:05:02 Speaker_04
I think it's the ones that are sort of, you know, most media out there promotes the girl boss lifestyle, and promotes the sex in the city lifestyle, and it's like, the career woman, you gotta do this, and you've gotta eschew childhood, and this is, by the way, where you get the childless cat ladies from, and instead,

01:05:23 Speaker_04
You have these great Hallmark movies that come out every year that are like, hey, there's more to life than that. And there's good things that you're passing up on.

01:05:32 Speaker_04
And that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with that, but maybe Christmas means just a little bit more.

01:05:40 Speaker_02
But does it maybe set up a misleading expectation where you could be a girl boss and then you just go on a vacation and like, whoop, swept off your feet and you still get your like whirlwind romance, whereas if it's the man in business city having that happen, it is mostly women who watch these movies, then you are communicating really like this is actually what men find most desirable, like these traits, like of the girl next door, small town girl.

01:06:08 Speaker_02
you might be sending a more useful message to them.

01:06:10 Speaker_02
Whereas if it's the like girl boss, un-girl bossing, it might sort of fly over their head and they'll just think, wow, I can, I can hook this amazing small town guy after I've done my like career stint in the big city. You can interpret it either way.

01:06:26 Speaker_04
That's like the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce thing, right? Like Taylor Swift is like, oh, I dated all these guys and you know, I put off marriage, but I still ended up with, you know, Superbowl champion.

01:06:38 Speaker_02
Yeah, we have Thor. Thor kernel says girl boss returns to her hometown to take care of her sick father and falls in love and leaves her career behind is 75% of Hallmark movies. Admittedly, I don't watch these movies. I love it.

01:06:53 Speaker_06
I hope they're actually like seeing one. You don't need to see the others. They're all the same just as you do.

01:06:59 Speaker_05
Yes, you do over and over and over.

01:07:03 Speaker_04
But by the way, the they do have some that are actually kind of cool because they're like, you know, they they go and film on location. So they go show you like, like, we just watched one.

01:07:13 Speaker_04
We actually literally Tony and I just watched one the other day, where they were doing a river cruise down the Danube, which Blake you would like that. And they go and visit like different cities and castles along the Danube.

01:07:25 Speaker_04
The only issue is that so the guy, of course, is like, you know, secretly a prince, of course, but it's like a fake country. You know, that's sort of like a, it's sort of like a stand in for like, licked in stocking. Whoa, whoa.

01:07:42 Speaker_04
Mr. Mr. The cause of all the problems in Europe for the last hundred 50 years. Okay. Okay. No, it's it's it. No, those are cool. And, ah, someone just put it out in the chat, Royal Holiday. That's right. It's Royal Holiday. That's what it was.

01:07:58 Speaker_02
One Royal holiday the Netflix like Christmas Prince really funny because they have like it takes place in like an entire Christmas themed country called like Aldovia.

01:08:11 Speaker_04
Look at this. Look at that. I'm with Jack on this when I was caring for my grandma and hospice. She left on Hallmark and all the movies were low-key grade. Yeah, they are because because what it is is like, yeah, that's tame. I get it. But it's like

01:08:26 Speaker_04
There's so much garbage out there anymore that you just turn on a Hallmark movie and you're like, oh yeah, this is what life used to be like. Hey, I'm hitting my heart out, guys, so I do have to cut it short here.

01:08:40 Speaker_04
You guys can feel free to keep going, but I do have to bounce.

01:08:43 Speaker_02
No, I think we can just head it out, close it out now. But thanks for coming on. Thank you. We were shorthanded, and we'll see everyone. It's great.

01:08:50 Speaker_04
It was a fun episode. Do you have social? Matthew, do you have social?

01:08:57 Speaker_06
Yeah, I do.

01:08:58 Speaker_04
I was going to say, you have social media for people to go.

01:09:02 Speaker_06
I do. It's it's universally on all platforms. M.C. Martinez, M.C. Martinez, A.Z. as in Arizona. And I also just downloaded Blue Sky. So you'll see me start ripping. I'm posting like a lot of Republican stuff on there.

01:09:21 Speaker_06
I want to see how long I can stay on Blue Sky without being kicked off.

01:09:26 Speaker_03
I give it another way by the way guys Matt

01:09:28 Speaker_04
Matthew did a ton of work with Turning Point Action. He really did. I remember going to visit over there when Tyler was, you know, just kind of cracking the whip. And he was like, Matthew, get back to work. Get back to the whiteboards.

01:09:40 Speaker_04
The whiteboards need updating. You're like, Tyler, please let me eat, please. It's been days. And he's like, no, no. But no, you did an incredible job over there and crunching all the numbers.

01:09:52 Speaker_04
And I know we weren't really doing, you know, we'll have to do like a separate episode where we kind of like explain all of that.

01:10:07 Speaker_01
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01:10:15 Speaker_02
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