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Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:01:13

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In 2022, President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, ushering in, by some estimates, nearly half a trillion dollars of investment in green energy and manufacturing. But what will happen to this huge investment as Donald Trump enters office?Jigar Shah is one of the best people to answer this question.

As the director of the Loan Programs Office at the Department of Energy, he has spent his career finding new ways to finance green infrastructure. And he’s more optimistic than you might expect about the road ahead.In this conversation, guest host Robinson Meyer, a contributing writer for New York Times Opinion and the founding executive editor of Heatmap News, asks Shah for a progress check on decarbonization. They discuss what has changed about the economics and financing of clean energy; what has worked well in the green energy transition, as well as the trade-offs it has entailed; and what may or may not change as Trump enters office.Book Recommendations:Fooled by Randomness by Nassim Nicholas TalebWhat If We Get It Right? by Ayana Elizabeth JohnsonRomney by McKay CoppinsThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu [Who]. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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Hey, it is Ezra. So I'm taking a bit of time off this month, and we're going to have a few friends of the show on to host guest episodes. Today's host is Robinson Meyer.

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Rob is a contributing writer for New York Times Opinion and the founding executive editor of Heatmap News, which is the go-to source for reporting on the decarbonization rollout. I'll let him take it from here.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show.

‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: ‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

‘A Sword and a Shield’: How the Supreme Court Supercharged Trump’s Power

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 00:45:27

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Donald Trump will enter office at a time when presidential power has significantly expanded, because of a string of Supreme Court decisions in recent years. These decisions can be understood to have two functions: They give presidents a “sword” to act more decisively and unilaterally, and a “shield” that protects

them from prosecution against actions taken in their official capacity. What will these capacities mean for Trump’s second term — especially as he has promised to radically transform the federal government?Gillian Metzger is a professor at Columbia Law School who has studied the presidency, the administrative state and the Supreme Court’s relationship to both. In this conversation, guest-hosted by Kate Shaw, a New York Times Opinion contributing writer and law professor, Metzger discusses two key Supreme Court cases — the Trump immunity case, which gave presidents broad protections from prosecution, and the Loper Bright Enterprises case, which overturned the Chevron doctrine, expanding judicial power. Shaw and Metzger also cover how much leeway Trump actually has to take some of the bolder executive actions he’s floated, including ending birthright citizenship; what still remains uncertain about the federal government’s regulatory powers in the post-Chevron regime; and more.“The Demise of Deference — And the Rise of Delegation to Interpret?” by Thomas W. Merrill“The DOGE Plan to Reform Government” by Elon Musk and Vivek RamaswamyBook recommendationsCreating the Administrative Constitution by Jerry L. MashawThe Forging of Bureaucratic Autonomy by Daniel Carpenter“Curation, Narration, Erasure” by Karen M. TaniThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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Hey, it's Ezra. So I'm taking a bit of time off this month and we're going to have a few friends of the pod on the show to guest host episodes. And today's host is the brilliant constitutional scholar Kate Shaw.

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She is a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School. She's co-host of the podcast Strict Scrutiny and a contributing writer for New York Times Opinion. Enjoy.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show.

Best Of: How TV, Twitter and TikTok Remade Our Politics AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: Best Of: How TV, Twitter and TikTok Remade Our Politics

Best Of: How TV, Twitter and TikTok Remade Our Politics

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:03:52

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This election felt like the peak of the TV-ification of politics. There’s Trump, of course, who rose to national prominence as a reality-TV character and is a master of visual stagecraft. And while Trump’s cabinet picks in his first term were described as out of central casting, this time he

wants to staff some positions directly from the worlds of TV and entertainment: Pete Hegseth, his choice to run the Pentagon, was a host on “Fox and Friends Weekend”; his proposed education secretary, Linda McMahon, was the former C.E.O. of W.W.E.; Mehmet Oz, star of the long-running “The Dr. Oz Show,” is his pick to run Medicare and Medicaid; and he’s tapped Elon Musk, one of the most powerful figures in American culture, to lead a government efficiency effort. Two years ago, we released an episode that helps explain why politics and entertainment are converging like this. It’s with my old Vox colleague Sean Illing, host of “The Gray Area,” looking at the work of two media theorists, Marshall McLuhan and Neil Postman, who uncannily predicted what we’re seeing now decades ago.And so I wanted to share this episode again now, because it’s really worth stepping back and looking at this moment through the lens of the media that’s shaping it. In his book “The Paradox of Democracy,” Illing and his co-author, Zac Gershberg, put it this way: “It’s better to think of democracy less as a government type and more as an open communicative culture.” So what does our communicative culture — our fragmented mix of cable news, X, TikTok, YouTube, WhatsApp and podcasts — mean for our democracy? This episode contains strong language.Mentioned:“‘Flood the zone with shit’: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy” by Sean Illing“Quantifying partisan news diets in Web and TV audiences” by Daniel Muise, Homa Hosseinmardi, Baird Howland, Markus Mobius, David Rothschild and Duncan J. WattsBook Recommendations:Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil PostmanPublic Opinion by Walter LippmannMediated by Thomas de ZengotitaThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rogé Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Sonia Herrero, Carole Sabouraud and Isaac Jones. Our production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick and Aman Sahota. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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So as the year comes to a close, I wanted to dust off some episodes that I think have some renewed relevance right now.

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If you've listened to the show for a while, you've probably heard me bring up some of the mid-century media theorists like Marshall McLuhan and Neil Postman, these people who were thinking about how TV and visual media would reshape politics and society.

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And this election felt like, I mean, it was beyond, I think, what they would have predicted. There's Trump, of course, a reality TV star who runs his campaigns and in some ways his administrations like a reality TV show.

Best Of: Why the Far Right Is Thriving Across the Globe AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: Best Of: Why the Far Right Is Thriving Across the Globe

Best Of: Why the Far Right Is Thriving Across the Globe

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:31:27

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It was possible to see Donald Trump’s first election victory as some kind of fluke. But after the results of this election, it’s clear that America is living in the Trump era. And for Americans who’ve struggled to process this fact, you have lots of company around the world. From

Hungary to Brazil, right-wing figures with openly authoritarian goals have been voted into power, to the concern of many of the people who live there.A political phenomenon that spans countries like this — especially countries with such different levels of wealth, political systems and cultures — requires an explanation that spans countries, too. So we wanted to re-air this episode that originally published in November 2022, because it offers exactly that kind of theory. Pippa Norris is a political scientist at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. She’s written dozens of books on topics ranging from comparative political institutions to right-wing parties and the decline of religion. In 2019, she and Ronald Inglehart published “Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit and Authoritarian Populism,” which gives the best explanation of the far right’s rise that I’ve read. And it feels so much more relevant now in this country, after Trump’s decisive election. In this conversation, we discuss what Norris calls the “silent revolution in cultural values” that has occurred across advanced democracies in recent decades, why the “transgressive aesthetic” of leaders like Trump and Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro is so central to their appeal, the role that economic anxiety and insecurity play in fueling right-wing backlashes and more.Mentioned:Sacred and Secular by Pippa Norris and Ronald Inglehart“Exploring drivers of vote choice and policy positions among the American electorate”Book Recommendations:Popular Dictatorships by Aleksandar MatovskiSpin Dictators by Sergei Guriev and Daniel TreismanThe Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah ArendtThoughts? Email us at [email protected]. (And if you're reaching out to recommend a guest, please write “Guest Suggestion" in the subject line.)You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Roge Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Original music by Isaac Jones. Mixing by Jeff Geld. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rogé Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by our senior engineer, Jeff Geld. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show's production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick and Aman Sahota. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta.  Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' Ezra Klein and Pippa Norris examine the global rise of far-right leaders, exploring the cultural backlash resulting from generational shifts in values since the post-World War II era. They discuss how older generations, focused on material security, are confronted by younger generations prioritizing post-material concerns, leading to a new political landscape. Economic insecurities and a yearning for traditional values contribute to support for authoritarian populist parties, while social media has transformed political communication, amplifying populist voices. The discussion culminates in understanding how these dynamics create fertile ground for far-right movements across diverse nations.

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So as the year comes to a close, I wanted to share some episodes from the archives that I think give some insight into the moment we're in now. Today's conversation is with the political scientist Pippa Norris.

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We talked back in 2022 about the rise in right-wing authoritarian politics around the globe and the work she has done on the concept of cultural backlash as its driver. Take a listen. I'm Ezra Klein, this is The Ezra Klein Show.

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It's easy to look at American politics as aberrational right now. It's comforting in a way. Maybe the whole problem, the whole question is Donald Trump and the unique magnetism and attributes he brings to modern politics.

It's the Corruption, Stupid AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: It's the Corruption, Stupid

It's the Corruption, Stupid

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:12:18

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Right after the election, I talked about how the results reminded me of 2004. George W. Bush won re-election that year — and unlike four years earlier, the popular vote, too. Democrats were truly, undeniably in the wilderness. But two years later, they found their way out. Democrats won the

House for the first time in 12 years. And two years after that, with the election of Barack Obama, they completed their trifecta. Does that comeback story have any lessons for Democrats today?Rahm Emanuel is the person to ask. He helped orchestrate that 2006 Democratic victory as the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. He was Obama’s first chief of staff. And before that, Emanuel was a senior adviser to President Bill Clinton. Emanuel has been a central player in most of the biggest Democratic victories of the past few decades. And people like David Axelrod and Steve Israel have been floating his name to lead the Democratic National Committee to help guide Democrats out of the wilderness once more. But Emanuel is also a controversial figure in the party. And the eras of Democratic politics he represents have complicated legacies and aren’t remembered with unanimous warmth.In this conversation, Emanuel argues that Democrats have fallen out of touch with what Americans actually want. We discuss why Democrats lost this November, what lessons they’ve forgotten from the Obama and Clinton years and how he would plot a Democratic comeback today.Book Recommendations:Lincoln at Gettysburg by Garry WillsThe Lost by Daniel MendelsohnThe Noise of Time by Julian BarnesThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' Rahm Emanuel discusses the Democratic Party's recent electoral losses, attributing them to a disconnect from the electorate and the rise of anti-establishment sentiment. He emphasizes the importance of accountability following major political events like the Iraq War and the financial crisis. Emanuel critiques the Democratic strategies post-Obama and underscores the need to reconnect with working-class concerns, particularly around healthcare, education, and economic security. The conversation also highlights the necessity for political reform to regain public trust and address current political challenges.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. So our last episode was with Faz Shakir, Bernie Sanders' former campaign manager. And it was about the question of whether Bernieism was a way forward for the Democratic Party.

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But I said at the beginning I was going to make that a pairing, that we were going to have two very different perspectives on what Democrats should do next. So here is the other. And it is, as I promised, very different.

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Rahm Emanuel is America's ambassador to Japan. Before that, he was mayor of Chicago. But it's what he did before that that interests me. Emmanuel is Barack Obama's chief of staff in the first two years of Obama's first term.

Would Bernie Have Won? AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: Would Bernie Have Won?

Would Bernie Have Won?

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:16:14

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There are a lot of different opinions about how the Democratic Party should rebuild after the blow of Donald Trump’s victory. And for the next two episodes, we’re going to showcase two very different ones.Faiz Shakir was Bernie Sanders’s 2020 campaign manager, and he believes that Democrats need to embrace

a Sanders-style class-first populism. This question of whether Sanders or a candidate like him could have beaten Trump loomed over Democratic post-mortems of the 2016 election, and they’ve reared up again this year, as Democrats have continued to lose working-class voters. As Sanders put it in a blistering statement: “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working-class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.”But some Democrats have been frustrated with this criticism. President Biden has been arguably the most economically populist president of the modern era. And the Democrats who have been winning in redder parts of the country aren’t democratic socialists. So I wanted to have Shakir on for a lively debate. Shakir worked not just for Sanders; he was also a senior adviser to the Senate majority leader Harry Reid and to Nancy Pelosi. And he’s currently the founder and executive director of More Perfect Union, a media outlet focused on issues affecting America’s working class.This episode contains strong language.Book Recommendations:The Tyranny of Merit by Michael J. SandelLeaders Eat Last by Simon SinekDon’t Get above Your Raisin’ by Bill C. MaloneThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota and Efim Shapiro. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of The Ezra Klein Show, Faiz Shakir, Bernie Sanders's 2020 campaign manager, discusses the necessity of class-first populism to reconnect the Democratic Party with working-class voters post-Trump victory. The conversation highlights the party's challenges in addressing economic inequality and cultural disconnect, alongside critiques of President Biden's messaging. Shakir emphasizes that the Democrats must authentically engage with community struggles to maintain support, particularly for policies like Medicare for All. The discourse reflects broader tensions within the party about its future direction and identity.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. As the Democratic Party debates where to go after its 2024 drubbing, we're going to spend the next two episodes of the show featuring two very different perspectives on the way forward.

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After Trump won the election, Bernie Sanders released a blistering statement, saying that, quote, it should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party, which has abandoned working class people, would find that the working class has abandoned them.

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And Bernie's advisors and allies have been making their own versions of this argument, and jockeying for the positions that would help them rebuild the Democratic Party around this vision.

In This House, We’re Angry When Government Fails AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: In This House, We’re Angry When Government Fails

In This House, We’re Angry When Government Fails

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:08:46

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The core conflict in our politics right now is over institutions. Democrats defend them, while Republicans distrust them, and seek, in some cases, to eliminate them.This is really bad. It’s bad for institutions when Republicans are elected, because of the damage they might inflict. And it’s bad for institutions when

Democrats are elected, because when you’re so committed to protecting something, it’s hard to be clear-eyed or honest about all the ways it’s failing. And when Democrats won’t admit to the problems that so many Americans can see and feel, that creates a huge opening for the right. So, what are Democrats missing?Steven Teles is a political scientist and director of the Center for Economy and Society at Johns Hopkins, and a senior fellow at the Niskanen Center. Jennifer Pahlka is the founder of Code for America and the author of one of my favorite books on why government doesn’t deliver, “Recoding America: Why Government is Failing in the Digital Age and How We Can Do Better.” She’s also a senior fellow at Niskanen.In this conversation, we discuss how and why the country has become polarized over institutions; the ways this was supercharged during the pandemic; the reasons government agencies are so focused on process, often at the expense of outcomes; how a second Trump administration will probably distract from some much needed institutional reforms; and more.This episode contains strong language.Recommendations:“Voice and Inequality: The Transformation of American Civic Democracy” by Theda Skocpol“Infrastructure Costs” by Leah Brooks and Zachary D. LiscowWhy Nothing Works by Marc DunkelmanThe Unaccountability Machine by Dan DaviesThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' the polarized state of American political institutions is examined. Democrats defend these institutions while Republicans express growing distrust, risking institutional integrity. The discussion includes Steven Teles and Jennifer Pahlka, focusing on the inefficiencies of bureaucratic processes, the need for reform, and the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on public trust. The episode argues that without acknowledging institutional failures, Democrats may inadvertently empower right-wing narratives, contributing to a broader crisis in governance.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. In any political moment where the rage collects, where the opposition rallies tells you a lot. Behind Matt Gaetz, the liberals I know have been far angrier about the choice of RFK Jr.

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to lead the Department of Health and Human Services than any of Trump's other picks, which is strange because the distance between most Democrats and RFK Jr.

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is a lot smaller than between them and most of the people Trump or the Republicans are naming. RFK Jr. was a Democrat until, what, the end of 2023?

Trump Kicks Down the Guardrails AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

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Episode: Trump Kicks Down the Guardrails

Trump Kicks Down the Guardrails

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:06:34

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I’ve been watching since the election to see what timeline we’re in. And Donald Trump’s first wave of selections for appointees were pretty straightforward. But then came the turn: Pete Hegseth, a former “Fox & Friends” host, to helm the Pentagon; Tulsi Gabbard for director of national intelligence; and the

real gut-punch, the former representative Matt Gaetz for attorney general.In the parts of government that can be weaponized most dangerously — the military, the intelligence services, the Department of Justice — Trump is putting true lackeys and loyalists in charge. I fear we’ve entered the bad timeline.Anne Applebaum is a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian, a staff writer at The Atlantic, and the author of a new book, “Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World.” In this conversation, we discuss how she’s been processing Trump’s picks, what to make of Elon Musk’s role in Trump’s inner circle, the indicators to look out for when governments slide in an autocratic direction, the appeal and excitement of autocratic regimes that often get missed in our history books, the relationship between autocracies and futurists, the politics of performance and more.Book Recommendations:Moneyland by Oliver BulloughOffshore by Brooke HarringtonAmerican Kleptocracy by Casey MichelThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' Ezra Klein engages with historian Anne Applebaum about Donald Trump's recent appointees, including controversial figures like Matt Gaetz and Tulsi Gabbard. They discuss how these appointments may undermine key government institutions, such as the military and Department of Justice, pushing the U.S. towards autocracy. Applebaum warns of the dangers of consolidating power, using intimidation tactics against opponents, and eroding democratic integrity. The conversation reflects on the shifting support of tech leaders for Trump and how the politics of performance have overtaken substantive policy-making, signaling a troubling trend in governance.

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So this person should have a background in video journalism, experience with story editing, be excited to help the show develop its visual language. They should also be very familiar with the show, what it does, what it means.

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If you think that's you, and you might be interested in applying, the link for that job listing will be in the show notes. From New York Times Opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show. Think back two months. Imagine it's September.

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Episode: The End of the Obama Coalition

The End of the Obama Coalition

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:04:57

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The Democratic Party has been hemorrhaging nonwhite and working-class voters. There are a lot of theories about why that has been happening, blaming it on the party’s ideas or messaging or campaign tactics. But I think the problem might be deeper than that — rooted in the structure of the

Democratic Party itself.Michael Lind is a columnist at Tablet magazine, a co-founder of New America and the author of “The New Class War: Saving Democracy From the Managerial Elite.” He argues that the Democratic Party in recent years has become more beholden to special-interest nonprofits, which claim to represent large constituencies but actually reflect the interests of the donor class. In this conversation, we discuss why he thinks the nonprofit complex became so powerful, how that might have led to a disconnect between the Democratic Party and its core voter base and what he thinks Democrats could do to course correct.Book Recommendations:Where Have All the Democrats Gone? by John B. Judis and Ruy TeixeiraTyranny, Inc. by Sohrab AhmariMother Jones by Elliot J. GornThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show', Ezra Klein and Michael Lind discuss the decline of the Obama coalition and the Democratic Party's struggles with nonwhite and working-class voters. Lind argues that the party's increasing reliance on special-interest nonprofits has caused disconnection from its core base. He highlights a lack of strong leadership following Obama and criticizes the Biden administration's approach, which focuses more on coalition management rather than effective representation. The conversation also points to the need for the Democratic Party to reevaluate its strategies to reconnect with its foundational supporters and adapt to the changing political landscape.

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Before we begin today, I'm going to be recording an Ask Me Anything episode in a few weeks. I imagine we're going to have a lot of questions about the election, but anything is fair game.

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To submit a question, email us at EzraKleinShow at NYTimes.com with the subject line AMA by November 17th. From New York Times Opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show.

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So, in my post-election essay, I said that the 2024 election marked the end of the Obama coalition. But what does that mean?

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Episode: The Book That Predicted the 2024 Election

The Book That Predicted the 2024 Election

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:01:53

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To understand the 2024 election results, it helps to go back to 2020. Donald Trump lost the election that year, but he made significant gains with nonwhite voters. At the time, a lot of Democrats saw that as a fluke, a hangover from Covid lockdown policies. But the Republican pollster

Patrick Ruffini saw it as bellwether.In his 2023 book, “Party of the People: Inside the Multiracial Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP,” Ruffini argued that Trump was ushering in a party realignment. A trend that had been happening for years in the white electorate – college-educated voters moving to the left, and non-college-educated ones moving to the right – was now evident, he said, among voters of all races, breaking up the core of the Democratic base.And so far, the data we have from this election suggests that Ruffini was right.In this conversation, Ruffini, a founding partner at Echelon Insights, contextualizes the 2024 election results by looking back at 2020’s. We discuss what Democrats missed about these voter trends; the appeal of Trump’s brand of class politics; why Democrats might have been better off with a red wave in the 2022 midterms; and how Kamala Harris’s campaign may have hurt her with nonwhite working-class voters.Book Recommendations:Steadfast Democrats by Ismail K. White and Chryl N. LairdThe Real Majority by Richard Scammon and Ben WattenbergThe New Americans by Michael BaroneThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker, Jack McCordick and Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Efim Shapiro. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode, Patrick Ruffini analyzes the unexpected shifts in voter demographics from the 2020 election, where Trump gained support from nonwhite voters, suggesting a realignment reshaping political coalitions. He discusses Trump's renewed focus on immigration for the 2024 campaign and the fragmented identity of Hispanic voters, challenging previous assumptions. Ruffini also emphasizes Latino perceptions of the Democratic Party as a welfare party, resulting in a GOP shift among these voters. The conversation critiques how cultural norms influence voting patterns and scrutinizes the effectiveness of Kamala Harris's campaign strategy, advocating for a broader engagement strategy by Democrats as the 2024 election approaches.

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Before we begin today, I'm going to be recording an Ask Me Anything episode in a few weeks. I imagine we're going to have a lot of questions about the election, but anything is fair game.

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To submit a question, email us at ezrakleinshow at nytimes.com with the subject line AMA by November 17th. From New York Times Opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show.

00:00:48 Speaker_00
You should be skeptical of anyone with a very detailed, confident take on the dynamics of the 2024 election right now. At the very least, you should be if they didn't tell it to you before the election.

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Episode: Where Does This Leave Democrats?

Where Does This Leave Democrats?

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 00:37:08

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The coalition the Democratic Party built in the Obama years has crumbled. But Democrats can choose how to respond.Mentioned:“Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden”Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast.

Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by our supervising editor, Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Jack McCordick and Kristin Lin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu and Elias Isquith. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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This episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show' delves into the current challenges faced by the Democratic Party, highlighting its failure to address voter dissatisfaction under President Biden. As the coalition that supported Obama crumbles, it emphasizes the need for Democrats to engage in a more inclusive approach. The podcast discusses Kamala Harris's struggle to establish a distinct identity amidst discontent with the Biden administration, the shifting dynamics of the political landscape, and the importance of curiosity in understanding voters' experiences. The conversation underlines the urgency for a new political strategy as traditional bases of support diminish.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show. I find I'm thinking a lot about the 2004 election. That was, in my lifetime, until today, the most absolute rejection liberals have experienced.

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In 2000, George W. Bush, he was this accidental president. He'd lost the popular vote. He'd won the Electoral College by a few hundred votes in Florida, maybe, depending on how you look at it. But by 2004, he'd become this other thing.

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9-11 had changed him, changed his presidency. He went from advocating this humble foreign policy to being an invader, a nation builder. And the lies and the failures and the travesties of his administration were clear.

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Episode: America Has Changed. So Has Jon Stewart.

America Has Changed. So Has Jon Stewart.

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:04:55

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In 2010, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert held a satirical rally on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., called the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear. This was amid the Tea Party movement. Political emotions were running high. And Stewart ended the rally with a speech slamming the media for

stoking the country’s divisions.“But we live now in hard times, not end times,” he said. “And we can have animus and not be enemies. But unfortunately, one of our main tools in delineating the two broke.” That rally has a Rosetta Stone quality to it now. Because what Stewart was describing has only gotten worse. Our divisions feel deeper and more dangerous. So as we enter election week, I wanted to have a conversation with Stewart about some of the arcs he has traced in American politics since he first hosted “The Daily Show” in 1999. We discuss how the media has become increasingly segmented and polarized in the past 25 years, how that has affected politics, how he understands Tucker Carlson’s political transformation and whether his own politics have changed.Note: The Washington Post is one of several news organizations mentioned in this conversation. We taped this interview before the recent controversy at the Washington Post over ending its practice of presidential endorsements -- a decision made by the paper's owner, Jeff Bezos.This episode contains strong language.Book Recommendations:I Shouldn’t Be Telling You This (But I’m Going to Anyway) by Chelsea DevantezThe works of Kurt Vonnegut (Breakfast of Champions, Player Piano, Cat’s Cradle, Slaughterhouse-Five, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater, etc.)Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of "The Ezra Klein Show," Ezra Klein and Jon Stewart discuss the changes in American politics since Stewart hosted "The Daily Show." They reflect on the 2010 Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear, initially a reaction to Glenn Beck's rallies, highlighting emerging political divisions. Stewart critiques the evolving role of media in amplifying political rhetoric and fueling polarization. The conversation addresses media's influence on societal perceptions, capitalism's role in media segmentation, and the impact of algorithms on content delivery. Stewart also examines the changes in media figures like Tucker Carlson and critiques media executives' focus on profit over ideology.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. So you go back to the Tea Party moment in 2010. Tucker Carlson had only just been hired by Fox News. He was just two years out from being employed by MSNBC.

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Elon Musk was standing for Barack Obama. You got Jon Stewart then into his second decade as a host of The Daily Show. And he and Stephen Colbert host a satirical rally to restore sanity and or fear at the National Mall in Washington, DC.

00:00:57 Speaker_05
And Stewart gives this speech.

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Episode: Are We on the Cusp of a New Political Order?

Are We on the Cusp of a New Political Order?

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:28:27

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Our politics are increasingly divided on fundamental issues like the legitimacy of elections and the nature and integrity of the basic systems of American government. That’s the most important fact of this election. But strange new zones of agreement have been emerging, too — on China, outsourcing and health care.

What should we make of that?In his book “The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order” the historian Gary Gerstle describes these shifts in consensus in terms of political orders — these eras that stretch for decades, when both parties come to accept a certain set of ideas. In this conversation he walks me through the political, economic and social factors that shaped two political orders in the last century: the New Deal order and the neoliberal order. And we apply this lens to what’s happening in our politics right now.It may seem strange to take a step back in time right before the election. But I think Gerstle’s framework helps uncover an overlooked dimension of the 2024 race and where politics might go next.Book Recommendations:The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory by Tim AlbertaUnderground Asia by Tim HarperThe Known Citizen by Sarah E. IgoThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Michelle Harris and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' historian Gary Gerstle discusses the evolving political orders in the U.S., examining the decline of the New Deal coalition and the rise of neoliberalism. He highlights how external threats and socio-economic challenges have shaped political dynamics, revealing fractures within both the Republican and Democratic parties as they confront contemporary issues. The conversation reflects on historical developments influencing the upcoming 2024 elections and the potential for a new political order amidst growing divides over economic and moral issues.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. So back in 2020, this is January of 2020, way before the election actually took place, before COVID for that matter, I published a whole book about political polarization.

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It was called Why We're Polarized. And I've been thinking a lot about how the polarization of this year is different than what I was tracking when I was writing that book. I mean, the divisions are much more fundamental.

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When I was writing that book, so much of the arguments were about Obamacare and taxes. And now the fight is over the very legitimacy of elections, the going after enemies using the power of the federal government, the nature and integrity

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Episode: Vivek Ramaswamy Has a Different Vision for Trumpism From JD Vance

Vivek Ramaswamy Has a Different Vision for Trumpism From JD Vance

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 01:23:20

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Vivek Ramaswamy burst onto the national scene last year as a wild card candidate for the Republican presidential nomination. Here was a relatively unknown biotech executive with no political experience, pitching himself as someone who could carry on Donald Trump’s movement. Trump ultimately won that primary contest handily, but Ramaswamy

was a breakout star. There was even chatter that he might be Trump’s V.P. pick.Trump, of course, ended up choosing JD Vance — Ramaswamy’s friend and former classmate — who has a very different vision for the future of Trumpism. But Ramaswamy believes the future of the Trump movement is still up for grabs and is fighting hard for his camp to win out over the one that Vance represents, including in his new book, “Truths: The Future of America First.”In this conversation, we discuss the two competing visions that Ramaswamy sees as lurking beneath the surface of Trumpism, what he calls “national protectionist” and “national libertarian,” whether his vision is really so different from Paul Ryan-style conservativism, why he thinks these debates within the Republican Party are really deep down about identity and what it means to be an American.Book Recommendations:The Constitution of Liberty by Friedrich HayekThe Bhagavad GitaThe Road to Serfdom by Friedrich HayekThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of The Ezra Klein Show, Vivek Ramaswamy presents his vision for the America First movement, differentiating between national protectionism and national libertarianism. He critiques traditional conservatism for being ill-defined and explores how Trump's approach to foreign policy uses pragmatic tariffs for negotiation rather than strict protectionist measures. Ramaswamy emphasizes the need for civic nationalism in immigration policy, prioritizing legal immigration that aligns with American ideals, while addressing the illegal immigration crisis first. He examines deeper questions of American identity and its implications for the future direction of the Republican Party within the internal debates of Trumpism.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. In 2020, very few people had heard the name Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:00:27 Speaker_03
That was before he ran for president as a not-that-well-known biotech executive and anti-woke crusader, before he was one of the breakout stars of the Republican primary, a guy who proved to be a lot faster on his feet at a debate and before a crowd than a lot of the much more experienced politicians who were competing against him.

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I think there's something deeper going on in the Republican Party here. And I am upset about what happened last night. We've become a party of losers at the end of the day. We're the cancer of the Republican establishment.

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Episode: Maggie Haberman on How Trump Has Changed

Maggie Haberman on How Trump Has Changed

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 00:59:48

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This week I published an audio essay about what I think is unique about Donald Trump as a personality and political figure and the dangers he poses if he gets a second term in the White House. But I wanted to go deeper on this topic with someone who knows

him much better than I do.Maggie Haberman is a senior political correspondent for The New York Times and has traced his evolution over the decades in her 2022 book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America.”In this conversation, we discuss what Haberman agreed and disagreed with in my essay, the forces that shaped Trump’s ideas of politics and power as a real estate developer in New York City, what she thinks he wants from a second term (including his desire for revenge), how his inner circle has changed since his time in office, what he might do if he loses and more.Note: This conversation was taped before Trump’s former chief of staff John Kelly went on the record saying that Trump meets the definition of a fascist and confirming that the former president made admiring statements about Hitler.Mentioned:“What’s Wrong With Donald Trump?” by Ezra Klein“Trump’s Speeches, Increasingly Angry and Rambling, Reignite the Question of Age” by Peter Baker and Dylan Freedman“Trump Leans On Creative Bookkeeping to Keep Up in Cash Race” by Shane Goldmacher and Maggie HabermanBook Recommendations:Kamala’s Way by Dan MorainRomney by McKay CoppinsAmerican Carnage by Tim AlbertaThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Jack McCordick. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' Maggie Haberman discusses the transformation of Donald Trump, emphasizing how his uninhibited behavior has increased with age while maintaining his core personality. She highlights Trump's complex relationship with racial politics, shaped by his upbringing and insecurity. Haberman contrasts Trump's disinterest in governance with his transactional politics and the implications of his legislative efforts. She reveals concerns from former officials about his leadership style, which reflects fascistic traits. The dynamics of Trump's inner circle and the evolution of the Republican Party under his influence are explored, along with Trump's strategies leading into the 2024 election, marked by a desire for vengeance and the potential for political violence.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. So earlier this week, I released an audio essay on Donald Trump.

00:00:28 Speaker_01
And in a way, it was about Donald Trump's mind and the peculiar ways in which it works, the degree to which he moves through the world without inhibition, and the ways in which that is potentially worsening as he gets older.

00:00:42 Speaker_01
But more than that, it was about the relationship between Donald Trump and the people and institutions that surround him. And the basic thesis of my piece is that Trump is himself, has always been, a remarkably disinhibited human being.

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Episode: What’s Wrong With Donald Trump?

What’s Wrong With Donald Trump?

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 00:44:08

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I think there’s an answer. But it’s not age — or, at least, it’s not just age.Mentioned:“White House aides lean on delays and distraction to manage Trump” by Josh Dawsey“I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration” by Miles Taylor“What JD Vance Believes” by Ross DouthatThoughts? Guest suggestions?

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In this episode of 'The Ezra Klein Show,' host Ezra Klein examines the complex nature of Donald Trump's behavior and leadership, highlighted by a recent incident where Trump swayed to music for 40 minutes during a town hall. The discussion contrasts media treatment of Trump's cognitive state with that of Joe Biden, suggesting a need for nuanced dialogue about both leaders. Furthermore, it explores Trump's disinhibition as a key to his appeal, while also acknowledging the significant flaws in his personality and governance style. Contributions from former aides like Miles Taylor provide insights into the chaotic leadership during Trump's presidency and raise concerns about his fitness for another term, emphasizing the importance of integrity in leadership.

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From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. You've probably seen the clip by now. Donald Trump is holding a town hall. It's Monday, October 14th in Pennsylvania.

00:00:32 Speaker_09
He's being asked softball questions by Kristi Noem, the Republican governor of South Dakota, and there's a medical emergency in the crowd. The rally stops for a while. They play Ave Maria while the medics respond. Then Trump and Noem begin again.

00:00:58 Speaker_09
Then someone else in the crowd needs medical help. The rally stops again, begins again. Noam is settling back in to ask questions when Trump announces he's had enough.

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Episode: About the Coming Paywall

About the Coming Paywall

Author: New York Times Opinion
Duration: 00:04:10

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In a couple weeks, the archives of our show will only be available to subscribers. Here’s why that’s happening and what to expect. To learn more, go to nytimes.com/podcasts. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or

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00:00:00 Speaker_00
Hey, it is Ezra. I'm here with some news about the podcast, about some of our friend podcasts across the New York Times ecosystem. The Times is going to be putting the podcast behind a paywall in the next couple of weeks. That includes this show.

00:00:15 Speaker_00
The way the paywall is going to work is the first few most recent episodes are gonna be free. So if you're listening to the thing we just did, or just just did, you're fine. But behind that, the archives are gonna be behind a subscription.

00:00:31 Speaker_00
And if you're already a New York Times subscriber to the sort of broad news product, you'll input that information and you get everything.