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Episode: Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Author: The Ringer
Duration: 01:39:38

Episode Shownotes

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to quickly address Juan Soto signing with the Mets, before discussing the Chiefs banking a last-second field goal to beat the Chargers (1:47), the Rams overcoming the Bills in the game of the year (21:37), another vibe shift in the NFC

West, a Vikings statement win, Panthers-Eagles, Dolphins-Jets, and the Most Depressing Franchise Rankings (29:24), before guessing the lines for NFL Week 15 (01:09:02), and closing the show with Parent Corner (01:22:47). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Kyle Crichton and Chia Hao Tat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In this episode of The Bill Simmons Podcast, Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal delve into significant recent sports events. They discuss Juan Soto's exciting signing with the Mets and its implications for the Yankees. The conversation transitions to the Kansas City Chiefs' nail-biting victory over the Chargers, and they explore quarterback performances, particularly contrasting Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. The episode also analyzes playoff dynamics in the AFC, critiques game management decisions, and concludes with a light-hearted segment on parenting and modern conveniences.

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They did not play, they had a bye. But I'm in a better mood. The Pats were zero and zero today. And Cousin Sal and I are going to break down a fantastic rollercoaster ride. Hey, it wasn't that good. Week 14 NFL.

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There are a couple of good games, that's about it. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. What a night to go live. Cousin Sal is here. Sunday night. The Chiefs just doinked their way to 12-1, but more importantly, Sal got Juan Soto on his Mets team.

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What a night for you.

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I know you wanted to talk about Juan Soto. Let's do it. I'm over the moon. I was going to come on dressed as Grimace or Jerry Seinfeld, but those costumes are in the cleaners. I love it, man. I'm so happy. I don't care that everyone hates us now. I don't.

00:03:39 Speaker_04
It makes it better. It really does. Who hates you?

00:03:41 Speaker_02
Who started the hating thing?

00:03:44 Speaker_04
What do you mean? Albert Pujols 2.0. Ticket prices are going to be affordable now. Good luck. Enjoy paying him $51 million at age 41. Were those texts that Hench sent you? That was all Kevin Hench. I love it. I'm sorry your Red Sox lost out.

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I love beating the Yankees. That's the best part is beating. We beat them. They were outbid. They bid 760 for 16 and we beat them. And I know you have to go on the field and win and all that stuff, but we never beat them at anything.

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We're little brother, like forever. So you bid 760 for 15. Is that what it was? 765 for 15. The Yankees were at 760 for 16. And then Boris is like, do you want to drop the 16th year and just go 15? And the Yanks were like, that's too rich for our blood.

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That's crazy. We can't do that. That was it. Like, once you get over like 600 million, at what point, this is like funny money at this point.

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It is kind of like losing a house, a bid on a house for like $120 or something, at that point. Because everyone's like, yeah, 41 years old. Sure, I'll get 51 million at 41. I'll be the lowest paid player at that point.

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But I just love beating the Yankees, man. It's like Casey Affleck dating Margot Robbie and saying, take that, big brother, bring that to TMZ. This is great. This is the best. Casey Affleck?

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Well, you're like the little brother. I think you're worse than a little brother. You're like the freaking cousin. I am the cousin, but thank you. Well, you're literally the cousin. I don't even know if you're the brother. You haven't won in 38 years.

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Oh, stop it. Stop it. It's great. We won tonight.

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We beat the Yankees. That's all I care about. I was delighted because this really ruins the Yankees.

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There's no plan B. This was the guy, they have this short window with Judge and Cole, and this was the guy they were grooming to be like the next major guy, and now what do you do if you're the Yankees?

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Plus you lose them to the Mets, the team that for the last what, uh, really since like the mid nineties, you've been kind of kicking their butt.

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The Mets had a couple of little tiny runs here and there, but for the most part, it just felt like the Yankees were in the driver's seat and now it doesn't. Now you just have this rich owner who doesn't care. Yeah.

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He's just like, this is like, here's how much I 800 million. I'm still worth $88 million. What do I care?

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It's beautiful. It really is. And he left the Yankees. He played for the Yankees. Let's not forget. Right. He left. It's sort of like another Seinfeld reference dated Newman and Jerry couldn't figure out why he broke up with her.

00:06:24 Speaker_04
It's like this is like this is the same thing. Like Juan Soto didn't care about playing for the Yankees anymore. How many Yankees crossovers have there been?

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Just for players? Yeah. Like for stars. It's pretty, pretty rare, right? Oh, for stars.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, it's gone.

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It's gone. Mets to the Yankees. Yeah.

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Strawberry and Gooden were the two big ones. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't really. I mean, we had Severino. There weren't, there haven't been too many the other way. We'll take it.

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So do you feel like you're the 1A in New York now? Like for real? This is it. Our guy John Jastrzemski is disconsolate. I think he knew it was coming. Because again, they had all their eggs in this basket. You asked how I felt as a Red Sox fan.

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I never thought the Red Sox were going to be in this. The Red Sox are, they're the person that just goes to a bar and pretends they talk to girls all night and is like, I got eight numbers. Yeah, I got it.

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I'm going to text a bunch of girls when I get home. It's like, yeah, you're going home alone. That's that. But also, are there going to be any girls available for them in the next five years? Like it's kind of such a they are there.

00:07:29 Speaker_02
The Red Sox are just riding on the coattails of the four World Series. They won because they know people like me just wanted to see one before they died. We won four. And they've taken advantage of that for the entire 2020s.

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I think the thing with Soto, just paying a guy like that once they get 36, 37 and up, you just kind of know where it's going to go. So you're really spending all the money in the first 10 years of the contract.

00:07:53 Speaker_02
And then you have your fingers crossed for the last five, right? Right. It's not like he's like Mookie Betts where he's like this amazing athlete where he's gonna be 38 and he'll still be able to play second base and be some sort of impactful player.

00:08:06 Speaker_02
You guys said he'll probably move more toward the Pujol, Stanton, he'll get bigger, he'll get stiffer.

00:08:12 Speaker_04
It's dumb. Ohtani, he's not Ohtani, but they compared it to Ohtani, right? So this deal had to be based on Ohtani, which is dumb. He's going to be a DH, you know, it's not this year in a few years. So yeah, but we'll take it.

00:08:24 Speaker_04
We stole him from the Yankees.

00:08:26 Speaker_02
That's all that matters. So what are the biggest free agent signings of your lifetime? Because I'm old enough to remember, and you are too, when they got George Foster from the Reds. It was a huge deal.

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It was one of the big free agent signings in the 70s. And he was awesome on the Reds. He was basically like National League Jim Rice. And then he went to the Mets and it just did not go well.

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Nothing. I remember the program, the two Georges, George Foster and the manager, George, uh, George Bamberger. And it was Foster and Kingman and they were all, they were both hit and miss back and forth.

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But like, I don't even know, like I've gotten Bobby Bonilla was a big one, but it was big. We're still paying that one. Yeah.

00:09:03 Speaker_04
We're still, but yeah. Um, I can't even think. I was like, I got excited about Saberhagen and Viola and stuff like that, but we'll take it, man. We'll take it.

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It's pretty, pretty cool to have a guy hitting, what is he? He's 20, he's going to be 26 next year. You just get this guy. He could be, you could be in your seventies. So still be on the team. Think about it that way.

00:09:27 Speaker_02
That's how I've been thinking about Drake May. I'm like, Drake May's gonna take me to my 70s with a smile on my face.

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I feel I'm not gonna live that long, and this is like me buying a turtle. You know, turtles last like 90 years. It's like, all right, turtle, you're gonna be on your own in a few years, but I'll enjoy you in the meantime.

00:09:42 Speaker_02
What is the reaction on the Mets fan texts? Is it like euphoria, or is it like cautious euphoria?

00:09:49 Speaker_04
No, I think right now it's euphoria. Honestly, the Yankee part of it is just so big. Our buddy Gus is on there, and he had a really funny thing he said. I'm gonna read it about his dad.

00:10:01 Speaker_04
He said, my dad says the four best words in English language are Mets win, Yankees lose. That's true.

00:10:07 Speaker_05
I don't even know if that's English.

00:10:10 Speaker_02
It is. The only two teams I hate are the Yankees and the Lakers, and it's been a rough weekend for both of them. The LeBron trade rumors, the whispers have started. Um, and they look like they're winning tonight against Portland.

00:10:22 Speaker_02
But I'm always happy when those two teams aren't doing well. Well, when you're in your 70s, I think the Chiefs will still be winning stupid games. Mahomes will be 41. Collinsworth will have a Walker.

00:10:35 Speaker_02
And they'll just be like, ah, Mike, that Hugo hit both uprights and some hit the crossbar and it somehow went through back. I can't believe how many uprights do they have in our head?

00:10:46 Speaker_04
Come on, Mike. I just, I just want to kiss Patrick Mahomes's neck. That's all. I love all these quarterbacks. Uh, I don't know. Why do we even get, why do we even when it boinked off and then you wait to see if it falls like in the end zone.

00:11:02 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:11:02 Speaker_04
It's it's in like, why, what do we even get excited about?

00:11:05 Speaker_02
Well, the field goal, the guy made earlier in the game from like 49 or 50. Yeah. It went through and then ricocheted backwards, so it kind of landed in the end zone, which I hadn't seen very often either.

00:11:16 Speaker_02
That guy did not inspire a lot of confidence, but... I think the mascot, it was even fooled. Yeah. There were multiple chances to hedge all the Chiefs parlays and teasers you had if you had them. I know I had a few.

00:11:29 Speaker_02
Halftime, 13-0, perfect time, because as Collinsworth was saying during that game, It was going, the Chargers were weirdly in it. They had missed a big, long pass for a touchdown. It felt like it was pretty toe-to-toe. The score wasn't reflective.

00:11:44 Speaker_02
Get to the third quarter, Chargers scored twice in a row. They have the lead. And it's the perfect time for the hedge. And I looked at it, and it was Chargers, I think, plus two and a half.

00:11:55 Speaker_02
So it was basically like if the Chiefs win by a field goal, you could still win this Chargers bet. And I was just like, you know, The chiefs win this every time. Why am I hedging with it?

00:12:05 Speaker_02
Why am I nervous that the chiefs, this will be the time they blow it. I'm just going to ride the chiefs. And that turned out to be the move.

00:12:11 Speaker_04
Do you think they, in the beginning of the year, got together and Andy Reid's like, this is boring guys. And let's, let's try this. 31, 31's a number. Let's never score 31 points. I think they've scored 30 twice.

00:12:22 Speaker_04
And let's see if we can win all the games, or all but one of the games. Because, I mean, really, that third and seven play, they really are challenging themselves, right?

00:12:31 Speaker_04
If they don't get a first down, they're kicking a field goal, and then the Chargers could go right down. And he made it look so easy, and then just dumping it off to Kelsey, makes the defender miss.

00:12:41 Speaker_04
And then hitting the goal post, it's like your uncle playing you in pool, and like saying, I'm going to call a bank shot on every ball. They're just screwing with you the whole time.

00:12:49 Speaker_02
They never look comfortable. They miss when they have no explosive plays whatsoever anymore. And when they try to run one, he'll miss the guy by like 10 yards. Or it'll be like his arm will get hit as he's throwing it.

00:13:04 Speaker_02
Or it'll be like that Hopkins play where Hopkins catches it and he gets stripped. They just have nothing. They'll run, even like this last drive when it seemed like they would have momentum and then they'll just run the line, the guy will fall down.

00:13:16 Speaker_02
You never feel comfortable play to play. I was watching my homes today, like trying to remember Like, hey, are you going to do my home stuff? I can barely remember what it looks like.

00:13:26 Speaker_02
And then he had two of them on the final drive, but we just watched Josh Allen, the fucking Superman cape on in the earlier game.

00:13:33 Speaker_02
And it was, I didn't want to go there mentally because I know it's reactive and it's, but I was thinking like, shit, the way Josh Allen played versus the way I'm watching my homes play now. It just seems like Allen's better this season.

00:13:47 Speaker_02
I'm not saying he's better career. I'm not saying he's past him, but just this season, it seems like he's better. And then Mahomes did like five things and he's like, no, no, no.

00:13:54 Speaker_04
I'm still here. Let me ask you this. you start a team, is it Josh Allen or Mahomes? And I guess I'm asking are Mahomes' best years behind him, right? Because that's a different way of asking it. And I'm not sure, I think maybe he has Eclipse.

00:14:10 Speaker_04
You can't say he's a better player because Mahomes has all the hardware. But if you're starting a team, what are you doing? What are you, you setting up a computer?

00:14:18 Speaker_02
You get nervous. No, I have two iPads going because I was, you were gonna ask me this. Oh, all right. So as always, I'm going to bring a Boston team into this because you know, there's so many chiefs, Pat's parallels Bruins.

00:14:29 Speaker_02
And I was, and I was trying to remember if Brady had hit a point where it was like, man, what's going on? And it happened. It was way later in his crib. It was the 2013 Pat's who finished 12 and four.

00:14:40 Speaker_02
And it was a season very similar to this chief season. But Brady that year, was only 25 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, threw for 43, 43 yards.

00:14:51 Speaker_02
The whole year, it was the year Gronk was hurt, Hernandez was gone, the two receivers were Edelman and Amendola, the two running backs were Stephon Ridley and LeGarrette Blount. They just didn't have anybody.

00:15:03 Speaker_02
And it led to this whole Brady conversation of, what is this? Manning was lighting it up for Denver. It's like, what is Brady? Is it over? Do we need to find, think about the future? And it was just his supporting cast wasn't very good.

00:15:17 Speaker_02
And I think that's the case with the Holmes this year. Like, who are his good Offensive weapons. Kelsey was gone in that game for two hours. I forgot he was in the game. Hopkins is okay. Pacheco's okay. Um, where are these? Okay.

00:15:30 Speaker_02
They just, I, they don't have a single guy. You watch these other teams. You know, like you watch that Bill's Rams game, like Nakua and Cooper Cup and Shakir, like all those guys are way better than him and the Chiefs have.

00:15:43 Speaker_04
But what about when you, all right, so compare him to Josh Allen. You think he's got a ton of, a great supporting cast? Like those names are interchangeable, I think, with the Shakir, you know, the Shakirs.

00:15:53 Speaker_02
I think his running backs are better. Shaqiri's got a Mara, I'd rather have a Mara Cooper than Hopkins. Yeah, yeah. Titans maybe, maybe Kelsey in a big game, but when Kincaid's out there, I'm not sure it's that much of a drop-off.

00:16:09 Speaker_02
Yeah, I guess for what you're saying, the difference is Allen has these holy shit, you know, he had five of them in the game today in Mahomes.

00:16:17 Speaker_02
The holy shit plays seem to be these third and sevens that bring drives, keep a drive going versus like the Allen type of play. It's like, oh my God, he just ran for 38 yards.

00:16:27 Speaker_04
Yeah, we get excited for Kelsey lumbering for eight yards after, you know, on third and seven, right? Whereas Alan is just zipping it in between two defenders and forget about what he does with his legs. It's insane. He sent a fantasy record, right?

00:16:41 Speaker_04
58 points or something.

00:16:44 Speaker_02
Oh yeah. He was, I was in that guillotine league I'm in. We needed Allen to have a bad game. As soon as the Rams took a big lead, we were like, this is going to go terribly. And then he had an awesome game.

00:16:55 Speaker_02
I think the other difference with them, at least this season, is Mahomes has just taken more hits. Like they had that, Collinsworth is pointing out the whole game. They had that stat at one point. He'd been back to pass 40 times. He got hit 16.

00:17:08 Speaker_02
It just seems like physically there's a toll he's taking, whereas Allen just seems superhuman at all times. Even if he's getting hit a couple times in a game, I still feel like he's fine.

00:17:18 Speaker_02
It still feels like he's bigger than almost everyone he's playing against. Mahomes had a couple ones today. Herbert did too. I thought that was a really, really physical playoff-y kind of game.

00:17:29 Speaker_02
I thought the Chargers were the big winner of the game, even though they lost. Like that game made me think that team in January, I actually think could go toe-to-toe with some AFC teams.

00:17:38 Speaker_04
That defense is excellent, I think, for most of the games they play, and you're right, they're physical, and like Collinsworth said it, when they were down six-nothing, Harbaugh's like, I don't wanna say, Harbaugh's kinda got him where he wants, but this is the kind of game you wanna play.

00:17:53 Speaker_04
Anytime the Chiefs aren't scoring 40, which seems like forever now, you're in good shape.

00:17:58 Speaker_02
Well, and they didn't have Dobbins and they didn't have McConkie. And I thought when McConkie got scratched, which I didn't even know when we did like Million Dollar Picks on Thursday, figured McConkie was going to play, they scratched him.

00:18:10 Speaker_02
And after watching what we watched from Quentin Johnson this season, Palmer's been hit or miss. It's like, how are they gonna move the ball? They basically got two drives where they just bully balled the Chiefs down the field, which was unusual.

00:18:23 Speaker_04
And the Chiefs kind of figured it out. He's gonna try to play. That's a new thing. Like, yeah, he's gonna try to play. It's like when you're, When you're a kid, the night before school, it's like, I'm not feeling well, but I'm gonna try to go to school.

00:18:36 Speaker_04
It's like, no, that's a no, no way. Just email the teacher. You're not doing it, 10-year-old staying home. We got them all day.

00:18:45 Speaker_02
Chiefs now 12 and one. They clinched their division. It looks like it's probably the one seed for them now. There's only four games left. The Steelers, I would say, maybe have a chance. because they play them?

00:19:05 Speaker_02
but don't the Chiefs and Steelers play on Christmas? That's a Christmas game, right?

00:19:08 Speaker_04
They play on Christmas, and that's a Wednesday, right?

00:19:10 Speaker_02
Yeah. Like, why? Really, this is gonna be three days rest for everybody? They play on a Saturday and then a Wednesday.

00:19:17 Speaker_04
Oh, Saturday and Wednesday, okay, all right.

00:19:19 Speaker_02
So you would say maybe the Steelers, if they beat them, and then the Chiefs lost one more, and the Steelers ran the slate, but I'm not seeing it. It feels like Casey locked up the Wednesdays. No, they're gonna win games like this. Yeah.

00:19:29 Speaker_02
Come on, clanking it off the post, ridiculous team. So then that two seed goes between Buffalo and Pittsburgh, who are both 10 and three. And I'm going to say this, Sal. Yeah. I officially think Pittsburgh's the best team in the AFC. Oh, come on.

00:19:49 Speaker_02
You can't, after a Jameis game, you can't claim that. No, I think they're the best team. I feel the safest about them if you start nitpicking all these AFC teams. Really? I feel the most comfortable with Pittsburgh. Great defense.

00:20:03 Speaker_02
I think their defense can make plays, create turnovers, create pressure. They can cover. I just like them. They can run the ball. They always seem to get like two or three 30 to 40 yard plays per game or a pass interference or something.

00:20:19 Speaker_02
They have unbelievable special teams. They have the best field goal kicker in the conference. They're gonna have home field advantage for at least the first two rounds. And they have an awesome coach.

00:20:31 Speaker_02
And I just think, I think right now, and feel free to change my mind in two weeks, but right now I feel the best about them, all the AFC teams. Buffalo's defense you saw today, this Chiefs team can't get to 20 points.

00:20:43 Speaker_02
I think if the Steelers played the Chiefs right now with what we're watching from the Chiefs, I think the Steelers would beat them.

00:20:49 Speaker_04
I think it's unfair to judge the bills defense. I think that was, that was going to happen. And by the way, I had my best bet on the ring of pregame show was the Rams over two and a half touchdowns. I didn't think I was waiting.

00:21:01 Speaker_04
I was waiting for you to bring this up. But the point of this is, of course, I'm red hot and I'm wiping the mat. We're two red hot guys. I love that we're red hot. But but I saw it come in the Bills defense flying east to west.

00:21:16 Speaker_04
It was going to have to let up eventually. Right. And it makes sense. It was very soft. It was a very soft zone that Stafford threw against for three hours.

00:21:25 Speaker_04
But I don't want to judge that just like I'm not going to judge how great the Steelers defense was against Jamis. I know they're very good in general.

00:21:31 Speaker_02
I'm judging the three months. I've just been really impressed by, I thought they should have won the Colts game, right? That Browns Thursday game, they had the lead with three minutes left and, you know, that was stupid.

00:21:44 Speaker_02
I just think they've been the most impressively consistent team in the AFC this year. With that said, I'd have to take a big gulp before I went against Mahomes in a playoff game, especially if it was in Kansas City.

00:21:56 Speaker_02
But, I don't know, Pittsburgh week after week, people keep looking for reasons not to, even today, Pickens got scratched. Like, oh my god, the mind move toward Cleveland. You know, and it's like, they're fine.

00:22:08 Speaker_04
They're gonna make plays. They have 74 points fewer than the Bills, and they've allowed 30 points less. So, that's the team that would scare me if I was a stealer.

00:22:18 Speaker_02
It's like, I don't know, if you're going to Buffalo, that's a mess. I think it's rock, paper, scissors, because The Chiefs can't get explosive plays. So if they played Buffalo, that's actually bad if you're the Chiefs, right?

00:22:31 Speaker_02
Because the way to beat the Chiefs is to basically move the bottom. I think the Steelers could get explosive plays on the Bills. I think they would beat the Bills. But I think the Bills, the way they're set up right now, would probably beat the Chiefs.

00:22:43 Speaker_02
And then maybe the Chiefs would beat the Steelers because it would be an 18 to 16 type game, which they specialize in. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's our answer. Maybe that charges them.

00:22:52 Speaker_04
One thing the bill showed me is that they can come back, right? Like, I think we figured that anyway, but that was a game that they really could have just walked off and be like, all right, we'll lose this by 21.

00:23:01 Speaker_02
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00:25:39 Speaker_02
I had some clinching questions. So the first clinching question was, did Bill's Rams clinch game of the season so far?

00:25:49 Speaker_04
Yeah, I had my attention the whole time. I think so. What other candidates? I'm trying to think what else.

00:25:54 Speaker_02
There were some good ones over the first third there. Even the week one that Baltimore KC game was really good. There's been some good ones.

00:26:00 Speaker_04
Cowboys Giants Thanksgiving was the highest rated. I don't know. Was it the best? I don't know. I don't know.

00:26:05 Speaker_02
I didn't have that one. There's been a couple good Lions games. Lions Packers on Thursday was good. Yeah. What was cool about this one was the Rams took that big lead and it was not a turn-off-the-channel game.

00:26:14 Speaker_02
It was like, all right, Josh will get this back. Josh will bring them back into this. They had 54 plays and scored 42 points. What was that stat Hench set us? They scored six touchdowns with zero turnovers. The first team, 255 to lose.

00:26:30 Speaker_02
It's never been done, yeah.

00:26:32 Speaker_04
Exactly, 265 I think it was, yeah. They got a pretty good crowd, too. It was good, it was fun all around. I don't know that, switch it to the Rams for a second. I don't think, is this too much to say?

00:26:46 Speaker_04
I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver like Puka Nukuwa. Like as a possession receiver, he's phenomenal and you can miss by like three or four yards and he's gonna catch it and he's gonna protect himself and all that good stuff.

00:26:59 Speaker_02
And they use him as a running back and he's like one of the best black and receivers in the league. And just seems like he can get up whenever he wants. He's kind of like the 2.0 version of Debo.

00:27:10 Speaker_02
Like whatever we thought Devo was, he's a better version of it.

00:27:13 Speaker_03
He's finally healthy and he's awesome.

00:27:16 Speaker_02
Oh yeah.

00:27:17 Speaker_02
It seems like now that those two guys are healthy, anytime he had like third and seven, third and nine, third and five, and they put those two guys on the same side and you didn't know if they were gonna like run little pick plays for each other or what, it just felt like one of them was getting open.

00:27:31 Speaker_02
Absolutely, yeah.

00:27:32 Speaker_04
Like I said, it was a soft zone and everything else, but he's great.

00:27:37 Speaker_02
Rams had 457 yards and nine drives. They were 11 for 15 on third down. It seemed like if the Bills had scored fast enough with the three timeouts, somehow they had a chance to possibly steal the game.

00:27:55 Speaker_02
Leading to one of the weirdest calls of the season, where they do QB sneak on first down.

00:28:01 Speaker_02
They don't get it and they call timeout, which immediately made it impossible for them to just kick off and get the stops, which Brady, who was fantastic today for him, I thought he was really good. But Brady called it out even before the first down.

00:28:14 Speaker_02
He's like, you don't want to QB sneak here, because if you don't get it, then you're either going to burn too much clock or use the timeout. Like he spelled out everything that was about to happen, then it happened.

00:28:23 Speaker_04
If you use one timeout in that situation, you might as well use all three. because then you're just relying on getting the onside kick versus, okay, if we don't get the onside kick, we could stop the clock three times. I didn't understand that at all.

00:28:36 Speaker_04
They would have been better off sneaking up to the line of scrimmage and running a second down play and letting the clock go to 45. So that was where it was a miracle. They had three timeouts in the first place and that was the hard part.

00:28:45 Speaker_04
Then they blew it.

00:28:46 Speaker_02
Right. Yeah. The play probably has to be like a rollout. where he's either gonna run it or pass quick or throw it out of bounds or like a shotgun quick pass like the Malcolm Butler play, something like that.

00:28:57 Speaker_02
But the thing you can't do is the QB sneak and then you can't then also call a timeout and ruin your chance. I'm always amazed that these coaches blow the basic video game stuff. This is like a pretty basic 1.0 video game thing.

00:29:12 Speaker_04
I like math, and I was good in math, but I do think it is the video games. But for God's sakes, you should be able, that was easy to me. That jumped out right away. How does McDermott not see that?

00:29:23 Speaker_02
Do you think because of the YouTube multi-view and some of this other stuff and we're just watching all these games and we're seeing so many situations, we're getting in our 10,000 hours for game management now?

00:29:35 Speaker_02
I feel like I'm at the peak of my powers. Yeah, sure. I watch these games. I'm just like, oh yeah, clearly he should never keep his sneaker.

00:29:44 Speaker_02
But maybe when you're on the field and it's going so fast and there's 90 things you're worrying about, sometimes you lose like a sense of just what the most normal thing to do would be, which would be to not sneak it there.

00:29:56 Speaker_04
But also, are they not watching enough situational things?

00:30:00 Speaker_04
I feel like we're putting ourselves on a pedestal here, but the guys that are getting to the facility at 4.30 in the morning, they're just watching tape of the opponent and not worried about what's going to happen at the end of the games and how they should use their timeouts and timing and stuff.

00:30:16 Speaker_02
I don't think a lot of this stuff is that hard. It's like if you have the three timeouts, and there's under two minutes left, and it's a two-score game, and you can somehow score a touchdown and keep your three timeouts, that's the goal.

00:30:29 Speaker_02
You wanna be able to kick off and try to get a stop and hopefully get the ball back for a field goal would be the idea, which they almost pulled off.

00:30:36 Speaker_04
But- I have friends that text me, barely got through junior college and know the ins and outs of all these. It's like, this can't be hard stuff.

00:30:45 Speaker_02
Ultimately, for the Bills, not a big deal. Because they're gonna be the two-seeded or three-seeded. They've already clinched the AFC East a week ago. There's no chance they can follow the four-seeded. They weren't gonna catch the Chiefs probably anyway.

00:30:57 Speaker_02
And Josh, I think, probably clinched the MVP once in Peralta today.

00:31:00 Speaker_04
What are the odds? Yeah, what are the odds?

00:31:02 Speaker_02
Let's see. It was the rare loss that helped clinch somebody's MVP. Meanwhile, Lamar didn't even play. Uh...

00:31:10 Speaker_04
And I don't even know who else would be in the mix. Minus 450 for Allen. Well, Saquon was second last week, but he's gone up to plus 550.

00:31:19 Speaker_02
That's not happening. Sorry, Saquon. Tom Brady was good. And I think, you know, there are only three games, and I just, I put the three on the one TV together, because I wanted to watch basketball, sorry, on the other ones.

00:31:35 Speaker_02
And I gave Brady the audio, and I really listened, like, for the three hours. he's changed a couple of things that I thought were really important. Like he's, he's definitely, it feels like you're hanging out with them a little bit more.

00:31:49 Speaker_02
Um, he's reacting to what he's seeing. He's not doing like, oh, I have prep on this situation. Now I'm going to do my prep.

00:31:55 Speaker_02
It doesn't feel like he's overproduced, but what we got, and I don't know if it was a case of like, we just had two awesome quarterbacks and when it's awesome quarterbacks, he can put himself in the mind of the quarterback.

00:32:06 Speaker_02
But he was pointing out like, oh, here's what, and Burkhart was doing a good job of saying, Hey, when they're, when they're using all those words at the line, what does that mean? And then Brady's like, well, here's what that means.

00:32:15 Speaker_02
And that's like, that's exactly what I want from him. And then he was explaining like how to, how they're using the receivers, how they were exploiting certain things, the game management stuff he was all over. I thought he was excellent.

00:32:26 Speaker_04
I thought it helped that he had his Hubie Brown moment. He just went horse. He went horse a little bit. And it felt like he was in the game. Like it's all that stuff you said he did the previous weeks.

00:32:36 Speaker_04
No, he was in the game and he was liking it and he was doing it. He was inside of it. So it's good.

00:32:41 Speaker_02
And like Nakua had that incredible catch when he kept his feet in. And Brady got so excited. It got me excited because I'm like, this guy's the best quarterback ever. If he's that excited about that catch, that must have been an awesome catch.

00:32:52 Speaker_02
So anyway, I think the Brady thing, it started out as rocky as you would have thought.

00:32:57 Speaker_02
I thought it was getting worse, like around week seven, week eight, week nine, which we talked about on the pod, and Thanksgiving was a little better, and I thought today was really encouraging. I really feel like he's getting the hang of it.

00:33:08 Speaker_04
Yeah, all he needs is the best game of the year every week, and he'll be fine. And two awesome quarterbacks. That's it.

00:33:16 Speaker_02
If he had Cooper Rush against Drew Locke, I wonder if it would have been that great. Did the NFC West clinch division you've changed your mind on the most status today? Because we've had yet another ship at the top.

00:33:31 Speaker_02
Seattle's now eight and five in the driver's seat, and they were dead two weeks ago. Yeah, I think the good news is we're not gonna change our minds again, right?

00:33:38 Speaker_04
We've changed it nine times. I think we'll be good for December. And they're only minus 135, well, because I guess the Rams are right there at plus 160, but the Cardinals have fallen off at 13 to one now, I'm seeing on fan though, but.

00:33:49 Speaker_02
Well, they're done. They lost to Seattle twice, and they're two back, like it's a wrap.

00:33:53 Speaker_04
That's it. So it's just the Rams and Seattle for the division. And I think Seattle showed some toughness. You know, that's one of the narratives.

00:34:01 Speaker_04
Like, I feel like we drive some of these narratives and whatever our top three or four narratives are going into Monday, we should scrap all of them and start over.

00:34:08 Speaker_04
One of them was going to be like, oh, Kenneth Walker, without Kenneth Walker, they're not going to be as tough as Arizona. Yeah, they were much tougher on both sides of the ball.

00:34:16 Speaker_02
Yeah, they ran the ball. There are two running backs that weren't Kenneth Walker, 29 for 172. Gino no turnovers. And they got the middle of their defensive line back.

00:34:26 Speaker_02
My big fear with them was that they couldn't block, but they actually seemed like they blocked a little bit better today. We have a lot of future stuff with Seattle. We do.

00:34:38 Speaker_02
That was, I think, the one I had, I had division bets with them, I had over bets with them. make the playoff bets, all kinds of things that looked pretty bleak a couple weeks ago. Now we look at them, I actually think they might be good.

00:34:52 Speaker_02
I don't know if they're on the Detroit, Green Bay, maybe even Minnesota, Philly level. They're probably fifth in that group, but they have a bunch of good players on both sides of the ball. When Gino's not making any mistakes, you watch him and you go,

00:35:10 Speaker_02
All right, I get this. So I think they're gonna be, they're a three seed. Right now they would be playing Green Bay in the 3-6. I like it.

00:35:20 Speaker_04
Two solid teams. It's a nice game. Really good first round matchup. I do think there's a team out there that, not that we owe an apology for, but it's time we give them the recognition you mentioned briefly, the Vikings.

00:35:35 Speaker_02
I think they're good.

00:35:36 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:35:36 Speaker_02
Today was great. It's time though. It's time.

00:35:40 Speaker_05
We have to do it.

00:35:42 Speaker_02
Wait, can we hold that for one second? I just want to rip through the NFC West quick. Arizona's six and seven. They're done. Niners are six and seven. Not totally done. Um,

00:35:56 Speaker_02
You also have Washington at eight and five with the last wild card spot that who the hell knows what's gonna happen with them. They have New Orleans on the road this week, home Philly, home Atlanta.

00:36:06 Speaker_02
At Dallas, I would assume that gets them to at least 10 wins, which would knock out a couple of these teams. But Seattle has Green Bay home, Minnesota home, Chicago on the road, Rams on the road.

00:36:21 Speaker_02
And then the Rams have San Francisco and the Jets on the road, home zone, home Seattle. So it might come down to that Rams-Seattle game.

00:36:31 Speaker_04
Yeah, yeah, and that's what we thought. I mean, I was like, this is the only division that's gonna come down to week 18. Now I'm not even sure if we get that, but at San Francisco is the top.

00:36:40 Speaker_04
Now the 49ers are kinda back, not maybe in the mix, but they're gonna be spoiler, I think, if not next week, somewhere in the road.

00:36:48 Speaker_02
That was the one I, so that was the bet I lost this week. I did well this week and that was the one and I, and I didn't just lose it. It was an annihilation. They look good, but the bears also look bad.

00:36:59 Speaker_02
There's no such thing as the new coach, but apparently, but I don't know what to believe with the Niners is that the bears were just bad or the Niners back. Like I, I honestly don't know. And I had that game on for three hours.

00:37:12 Speaker_04
I don't know either. I mean, you see that stat in the second quarter or close to half, it was 310 to two. And yeah, I think you're right. I think that means that there's no new coach energy. There's no new coach.

00:37:24 Speaker_02
It's dead. Two yards. We had the Jets didn't cover with the new coach and they didn't cover. The Clogger covered. Right.

00:37:32 Speaker_04
Yeah, that's it. And what is San Francisco? They're like, that was another narrative that we could throw out. Like they're done. They have too many injuries. And then, you know, everybody bid $37 on Isaac Glorendo.

00:37:44 Speaker_04
And, uh, he, he got them into the playoffs and fantasy and he took over today.

00:37:49 Speaker_02
And now he says one, there's one Arizona question that we have to ask is Kyler sucked again today. He had two terrible

00:37:57 Speaker_02
And that game against Seattle a couple weeks ago, he had that awful play on fourth to one that basically was the swing that blew the game for them. And Harrison, considering he's the fourth pick in the draft, I can't say he's been jumping off my TV.

00:38:13 Speaker_02
Arizona was six and four three weeks ago, and we were feeling good about them. And I liked them, I liked how they were playing. And now I'm wondering, what are these last four weeks gonna mean for Kyler?

00:38:24 Speaker_02
and is this the guy that's gonna be the QB for them? Because, and they don't have a huge fan base, they're not gonna be leading first take tomorrow. Nobody really cares.

00:38:32 Speaker_02
But, you know, this has been a recurring thing with Kyler, where it feels like he can keep you around, but he's not quite good enough.

00:38:39 Speaker_02
He can do the garbage time titty at the end of the game that makes it seem like the game was closer than it was, but I just, we have a lot of evidence now that you might not be able to trust him against a good defense.

00:38:50 Speaker_04
Yeah, they don't finish drives, they don't, you know, there are just still some coaches in the division that they never beat or barely beat, and like you said, they were winning despite the fact that Harrison wasn't having a great year.

00:39:02 Speaker_04
I think he probably has five or six touchdowns, but you know, you were expecting him to go for like six for 150 most games, and not that at all. Now they've lost three in a row, right?

00:39:13 Speaker_02
Yeah. Well, Bowers turned out to be the receiver from the draft. All right, your guy Sam Darnold. So, 347 yards, five TDs today. He's had clutch games over and over again. Last week, brought them down to win it.

00:39:29 Speaker_02
Today, like, that Falcons game was a little closer, so I'm sure you watched it too. Like, I know the score and I'd be in a blowout, but. I was nervous about the Falcons for two hours in that game, and Darnold was just winging it downfield.

00:39:44 Speaker_02
He really has energy with Jefferson and Addison. Addison about three touchdowns? Crazy. So he has almost 3,300 yards, Darnold. 28 touchdowns and 10 picks. And if they are in round one, he'll probably be like a four plus point favorite.

00:40:00 Speaker_02
He's on a one year deal. They have J.J. McCarthy. I'd be really hesitant not to bring him back.

00:40:07 Speaker_02
I think they have to, this is, today was the first day where I was like, wow, they might've actually found their QB and maybe they should think about trading J.J. McCarthy.

00:40:17 Speaker_04
It's interesting. There aren't too many out there like him. And we're going to talk about some shitty franchises probably a little later. And this is the way to rebound.

00:40:27 Speaker_04
Like you have to kind of strike gold with a guy like this who's getting 10 million a year. And you could do that for a couple of seasons.

00:40:32 Speaker_02
Like Abbott, Baker, Mayfield, Geno on a smaller scale. But I would say Darnold has a higher upside than both of them because of the pedigree he had once upon a time.

00:40:42 Speaker_04
I think so, too. I think the Yankees should offer him 650 million for 15, for sure, if you ask me.

00:40:48 Speaker_02
Well, so six teams need a quarterback next year. Vegas, the Giants, Titans, Saints, maybe the Seahawks if they can't agree to a deal with Geno, and maybe the Niners if they can't figure out a Brock Purdy extension.

00:41:08 Speaker_02
And I was looking at those teams and it's like, if you're Vegas and you could get Sam Darnold and you draft Travis Hunter and you have the money to spend, like I'm probably, probably doing that. Like this guy, the Niners really liked him.

00:41:22 Speaker_02
The Vikings seem like they love him. And then if I'm the Vikings. I don't know. I'd have to really think about this one. He's only 27. It's not like he's Kirk cousins. He's not 37, like heading into his late thirties.

00:41:32 Speaker_02
Like this is he's entering the prime of his career. Right. Yeah. And he has real chemistry with the receivers.

00:41:40 Speaker_04
They're loaded offensively, but he's won them a few games now. And you said 28 and 10, what do you have, 3,300 yards?

00:41:48 Speaker_04
I don't know, he's not the reason they're 11 and two, but you get rid of them, get used to being seven and six with the new guy, whoever it is, right? I think it's easy at this point, honestly.

00:42:02 Speaker_02
Yeah. If you're like, if you're just watching them on red zone and you're just seeing the highlights, you've probably seen some of the long passes that the thing that jumps out to me is like they're really nice, long, beautiful on target passes.

00:42:14 Speaker_02
Like he really, and he had, he got lucky today with the first touchdown he had. He just, he, his arm kind of got touched. So it was an underthrow and Addison made a great play. But when you have two weapons like that.

00:42:25 Speaker_02
You want a guy who's not afraid to wing it downfield and who has the confidence to, and if he makes a mistake, is gonna come back. I think that's been the thing that's been the most impressive with him. He gets him out of trouble.

00:42:37 Speaker_02
We're at the point, if I was a Jets fan, I'd actually be legitimately bummed out about it. The good news is like a hundred things. I know he's been on three teams. Listen, I get it. He's been on three teams since, but I was like, oh my God, like really?

00:42:50 Speaker_02
This guy's like this good?

00:42:52 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:42:53 Speaker_02
So I remember the, in the seventies when we plunk it was the number one pick for the Pats and he just got the shit kicked out of him. They ended up like trading him. He gets waved.

00:43:01 Speaker_02
Then he ends up on the Raiders and the Superbowl and our quarterbacks were terrible when I was a kid. And then Plunkett's like winning the Superbowl and it was kind of like, wait, what's going on? We had this guy? It's really frustrating.

00:43:15 Speaker_04
Well, I mean, on a different scale, it's like the Bears, what they did for years with Mahomes. Like, yeah, we could have had this guy. I know people say they could have had him, but we were interested and we passed on him.

00:43:26 Speaker_04
So yeah, there's a million what ifs like that, but the Jets for sure are kicking themselves.

00:43:32 Speaker_02
It's tough with these late Bloomer reclamation guys because you know that that case Keenum year we were doing pods and it was legitimate like he was moving the ball and making plays but you know physically he wasn't a big guy he didn't have like a cannon arm and there was you knew there was some smoke and mirrors in it as it was happening but they were winning with them so you couldn't say much.

00:43:52 Speaker_02
Darnold's like kind of checks all the boxes for you know, I don't think he would be like a top seven quarterback, but he, he has the size, he has the arm, he has the confidence, um, he can move around.

00:44:04 Speaker_02
He had one touchdown that he created today where he like somehow did this Jedi fucking move to get out of it. It seemed like he was going to get sacked and bought time and just winged it down. And so touchdown, like I, I'm really impressed.

00:44:16 Speaker_02
And, um, my buddy who's a bikes fan, like loves him. It was just like, I like, just love Darnold. Like I don't want him to go.

00:44:24 Speaker_04
Yeah, I mean, if you rank the, let's say we're in the playoffs now, you rank the quarterbacks, he wouldn't be at the bottom, he wouldn't be at the bottom of the list.

00:44:33 Speaker_04
And for teams that didn't make the playoffs, like Tua, I'd have him over Tua right now, you know, I'd have him.

00:44:39 Speaker_02
That's, yeah, no question.

00:44:41 Speaker_04
Some of these other teams, I'm not, you know, I don't know. I just trust them more.

00:44:46 Speaker_02
Do you think he's playing better than Love?

00:44:49 Speaker_04
I think it's close. I feel like we pulled forward. You know, we did a weird thing, right, with this division? Like we have so much in stock. We ranked them one through four in the beginning of the year, and we have all that stuff going on.

00:45:00 Speaker_04
And then we have, oh, Lions are playing great. And then we're like, whoa, the Lions' defense is decimated. And then they hold the Packers to under 300 yards. Another narrative that went south.

00:45:11 Speaker_04
But I think we were raising the stock of Jordan Love and the Packers when we probably should have been looking at the Vikings. At this point, I think I'd be more surprised if the Packers pulled off an upset in the playoffs than if the Vikings did.

00:45:25 Speaker_02
Well, the thing with them, they won a couple stupid games. early on, right? Like that Jets game in London in week five when the Jets felt like the Jets were going to win the game and they didn't. They lost to Detroit the Rams twice in a row.

00:45:42 Speaker_02
They had that weird stretch where they beat Indy and the Jags in Tennessee all in a row. And it's like, what is this? They barely beat the Bears in a game that it felt like the Bears should have won.

00:45:52 Speaker_02
Then last week against Arizona, Arizona had the game. It was 19 to six. It felt like it was over. This was a real statement game for them.

00:45:59 Speaker_02
And it was also a statement for Atlanta because I don't know how long, I just can't imagine they can keep playing Cousins.

00:46:08 Speaker_04
Yeah, that was a dumb pick by me, Atlanta this week. He has eight interceptions in the last four games, and I don't know, why did they draft Pennix?

00:46:17 Speaker_04
It's a genius pick if you start him, but otherwise it's a huge waste, unless there's something like, we don't know, like a Trey Lance situation, like, no, he's just bad behind the scenes. Trust us, he's not ready.

00:46:30 Speaker_02
We talked about this last week, right? They had that six weeks after they signed him? Right. In March, yeah. Did they know something from those six weeks? Mm-hmm.

00:46:40 Speaker_02
Because it's zero TDs in the last four weeks, six picks in the last two weeks, and two awful, awful, awful picks today. I mean, the problem with them is they're not just interceptions. They're horrible.

00:46:53 Speaker_02
They're like suck the life out of the team, bad place. And like him compared to Darnold, there was no contest.

00:47:02 Speaker_02
If you said which one of these guys got a hundred million guaranteed last year to somebody who just woke up from a coma, they would have thought it was Darnold.

00:47:08 Speaker_04
Oh yeah. A lot of big contracts for cousins. Yeah. I don't know how he does it. I really don't. And if it's, you know, I haven't seen the metrics. Did he surpass 36 miles an hour? Because that was the big one. That's when the DeLorean explodes.

00:47:22 Speaker_02
I felt like he had a couple that got into the low 40s today. Oh, that's good. I don't know.

00:47:28 Speaker_02
There's this narrative about how the Giants actually probably need Sam Darnold the most, but they can't sign him because he was on the Jets and they'd be bringing him back to Giants Stadium.

00:47:38 Speaker_05
Interesting.

00:47:38 Speaker_02
I think that's stupid, but I also can't speak for the despair of Giants and Jets fans these days, but to get somebody that was a Jets cast off, like mentally, is some sort of invisible hump for them, apparently.

00:47:52 Speaker_04
Well, unless he thrives with the Giants. Isn't that the best medicine, right? That was a little bit of what I'm feeling with Juan Soto right now with the Yankees, but I think that would be great. I need him back to win.

00:48:02 Speaker_04
I'm sorry, just a lot of love though.

00:48:03 Speaker_02
I would go Dome team if I was Sam.

00:48:06 Speaker_04
Yeah. It does seem like he's better there. And the Giants, I don't know if you watch that game, but I tried not to.

00:48:16 Speaker_04
Well, when they're driving to win, like, you know, the front office is like, oh, don't what are you doing, Drew Locke, just to get tripped up here or something like that. That's the red zone I want to see, like the owner's box.

00:48:28 Speaker_04
when the two-win team is driving, and you know the players don't tank because they can't, they'll get killed, but you know the front office is like, we gotta stay at two wins. We have to get that top pick. We'll figure out who it is then.

00:48:43 Speaker_02
I made a business decision to not watch that game or Jags Titans and concentrate on all the other ones. And one of the games switched over to Giant Saints, right? Like that big Drew Lock drive at the end and a big long scramble. Did you turn your head?

00:48:58 Speaker_02
No, I actually, I realized that I should have actually been more focused on it, because if the Giants won, the Pats would have gotten, they would have been the number two pick in the draft, basically, unless they win again.

00:49:09 Speaker_02
And so all of a sudden I'm rooting for the Giants, and then of course they Giants-ed up at the end, and that was it. So Pats are at the number three spot right now.

00:49:18 Speaker_04
Yeah, Raiders and Giants are the top two? Is that right?

00:49:22 Speaker_02
Yeah. So Tampa has, Tampa is up by a game now. Like in the NFC South, I bet that you made it. I did not, but they have chargers next week.

00:49:35 Speaker_02
at LA, at Dallas, home for Carolina in a game that's suddenly tough, because I guess Carolina is just going to be frisky every game now, and then New Orleans at home to end it with Derek Carr probably not playing.

00:49:49 Speaker_02
So I think you might have made a good bet.

00:49:51 Speaker_04
He was a little reckless today. Yeah, but he was reckless. He really was. I mean, the Raiders can't help themselves and just blow it towards the end. They're like, you want to turn the ball over three times?

00:50:02 Speaker_04
We got you, we got you, we got you back, Bucks, 28-13 before you look good.

00:50:07 Speaker_02
And then Aiden O'Connell left. The Riddler came in, Desmond Ritter, he's back. So the Steelers couldn't stay AFC North, maybe. I think if they split that one of the next two games, they probably have it. They lead the NFL in takeaways.

00:50:27 Speaker_02
And, uh, and the most interesting thing to me about that game was just that they did that well without pickings. And then Mike Williams made a couple of plays for them.

00:50:35 Speaker_04
Well, this is a tough week, right? Cause they're at Philly and Baltimore has got to walk over against the giants. So it could be cut to one and then they have the head to head.

00:50:45 Speaker_02
except they're catching Philly during a week when they looked awful against Carolina. And then AJ Brown had a really weird interview after. It was just like, the Eagles, they just don't want to be loved. That's who they are.

00:50:59 Speaker_02
There was too much love for them the last week. People, especially when Detroit's defense got banged up, even I was thinking, I thought they had a chance to maybe be the best team in the league with Detroit's defense.

00:51:09 Speaker_02
you know, kind of cratering and, um, they barely beat Carolina. And if you missed the game, I know you didn't, but Leggett had the touchdown and dropped it. The game was over. I thought he caught it. I was furious.

00:51:23 Speaker_02
Like you, I probably had Philly and five UFC NFL parlays that I made yesterday that were lingering over. I'm like, Oh my God, really? They're going to lose this. But he dropped it.

00:51:34 Speaker_04
Yeah. I don't know. I believe me. I had him. I did about him on Moneyline parlays with all those things you just said. And one guy had $3.1 million on Eagle. So that became a rooting interest as well.

00:51:45 Speaker_02
You know, when I saw that, that made me think Carolina had a chance.

00:51:48 Speaker_04
Cause I was like, that's just too much money. This has scared me. It's like when the betters are getting up for the games more than the team, but that might be it.

00:51:56 Speaker_04
Maybe you just don't, how much are you gonna get up for the Panthers coming to town in December after you've rocked everybody? But yeah, the A.J. Brown thing is weird for sure.

00:52:07 Speaker_02
I think if Green Bay had beaten Detroit on Thursday and Philly had a chance to be the one seed, they might have approached that game a little differently. Now they're like, eh, we are where we are. They're basically locked into the two seed, right?

00:52:19 Speaker_02
There's no scenario where they're not the two seed. They have a three game lead over Seattle and a four game lead over Tampa. Yep, two seed. Bryce Young though, so they're on their own two. They're down six.

00:52:36 Speaker_02
I'm just getting excited for our stupid picks pool, because I had Philly minus 12 and a half or 13. I'm like, oh, Bryce will throw a pick six and somehow Philly's going to cover. And then he just kind of started marching down the field.

00:52:48 Speaker_02
Deland made a couple big plays. I thought Bryce was really impressive. I had that in my multi-view on for the whole game and was watching some of it and I thought Bryce, he clearly has salvaged whatever he needed to salvage.

00:53:04 Speaker_02
He's gotta be the guy for them next year.

00:53:05 Speaker_04
He is decent, man. He really is. You went over it and how fluky it was for him to get his job back, right? It was like a Dalton family car accident and stuff.

00:53:16 Speaker_04
I think the player you're talking about, he scrambled on third down from his three, he ran just up to, I don't even know if he realized if he wasn't over the line yet when he passed it, and then got him down the field.

00:53:28 Speaker_04
But yeah, they're gonna be a pain in the ass team. We no longer have a team where we could just bet against.

00:53:34 Speaker_02
And that's why I've been so kind of pissy about the Patriots, because I think when you have these young teams that are going nowhere, once you hit like late November, early December, it could go one of two ways.

00:53:50 Speaker_02
Either you go the way the Giants are going where you've lost eight straight and it's just a comedy of errors.

00:53:54 Speaker_02
You can go the way the Patriots are going where you're looking at every part of the team other than the quarterback going, are we better at one spot than we were eight weeks ago? And you look at Carolina, they've been in these close games now.

00:54:05 Speaker_02
I think this was their sixth straight game. I mean, there is a point when they looked like they might be the worst team in the league. Yeah, I have it right here. Well, they're still losing them all. So, I mean, you know, they lost the last three.

00:54:15 Speaker_02
They're losing them all, but starting, they beat the Saints, they beat the Giants, they lost to Casey by three, they lost to Tampa by three, they lost to Philly by six, and dropped the game-winning touchdown.

00:54:25 Speaker_02
That's a six-week sample size if you include the bye week. I feel like they won that. But then you look at a team like the Pats, even Vegas has shown like a little,

00:54:37 Speaker_02
something, you know, when you consider they probably have the worst quarterback situation in the league. And they almost beat Casey last week. They kind of hung around against Tampa. Well, your Patriots have been in a couple of these.

00:54:51 Speaker_04
I mean, I know it's not, you know, the Titans and stuff. It's not gonna get too excited.

00:54:55 Speaker_02
I feel like we could be seven and six. If we had Belichick, we'd be seven and six. That's where I've landed. But with Steve Belichick? We had Steve Belichick. Or we had Belichick's girlfriend.

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00:56:18 Speaker_02
We had talked about the Jets who clinched 2024's most depressing team today. They played actually pretty well the whole game until it was bad, I thought. thought he was all over the place.

00:56:31 Speaker_02
He would have one good throw, he would have a terrible throw, the team had no flow at all. Couple times, it just seems like he's leading his receivers toward a spot where they're just gonna get decked.

00:56:42 Speaker_02
Waddle a couple times, I almost felt like pulled up a little, because he's like, nah, I'm not, stop.

00:56:46 Speaker_04
Don't you feel like the way he tilts his body when he drops back to pass, and maybe it looks weirder because he's a lefty, but the way he turns his body, it feels like anyone could know to jump a route. Right?

00:56:59 Speaker_02
Which is why he's throwing it so fast. He gets rid of it in two seconds. He was fine, except when he can't, but yeah.

00:57:06 Speaker_02
And Rodgers was okay for how he's been this year, but had some, I mean, the funniest one was he had Wilson open by 30 yards and somehow led him out of bounds on the throw. He caught it and like, just, it was an 80-yard touchdown with anybody.

00:57:21 Speaker_02
But they had the game and it felt like they were going to win. Two-minute warning. They get a first down on Miami's 27. Miami has two timeouts left, clock ticks down to like under 120. And here's what they did. They ran for minus five, timeout Miami.

00:57:37 Speaker_02
Rogers gets sacked for minus six, timeout Miami. Miami has no timeouts left. and we're close to a minute left. Rogers throws a 14 yard out to Adams, who goes out of bounds with a minute left.

00:57:49 Speaker_02
Jets kick a field goal, go up three, but now instead of having 15 seconds left, the Dolphins have a minute left. They return the kickoff to midfield. They end up tying it. They win it in OT. It was abominable.

00:58:01 Speaker_02
But the Jets suck, so nobody cares, but it was about as bad clock management as we've seen this year.

00:58:06 Speaker_04
It was really bad. You know, the DJ was bad on the other side too, but you're right. Like, I don't know why Adams was going out of bounds on that play. If you run for four yards and the clock runs, it's better.

00:58:17 Speaker_04
Even if you miss the field goal, it's better than what they did there.

00:58:21 Speaker_02
No, they could have kneeled three times and it would have been better.

00:58:24 Speaker_04
Yeah, just don't go backwards. Yeah. But the DJ, if I could bring that up for a second, McDaniel, this is my biggest pet peeve in sports. When you're fourth and three on plus territory at the 45, you have to, have to, have to go for the hard count.

00:58:42 Speaker_04
You have to.

00:58:42 Speaker_02
You have to try.

00:58:43 Speaker_04
You can't just bring the punt team on. You have to line up, and then if you don't do it,

00:58:52 Speaker_04
and they punted through the end zone, which they did, I think the authority should come down and just take you off the field right there, because you just don't get it. You're not trying. These guys are the jittery jets.

00:59:03 Speaker_04
You can get them to jump off sides. It happens like one out of every seven times, so just try it.

00:59:09 Speaker_02
That's a great point. I like it. I'm mad that he has a nickname already, thanks to Lombardi, the DJ, because I think Young Dexter would have been a good nickname too, because he's in Miami. Yeah.

00:59:20 Speaker_02
He kind of looks like he's just going to go back to some room and plan some murders.

00:59:24 Speaker_04
He could have a few nicknames. He could be like Shaq with just like six or seven nicknames. There's no reason not to. Young Dexter.

00:59:35 Speaker_02
I've been thinking a lot about the head coach stuff, because I really hope the Patriots, I don't think they will, but I'm really hoping the Patriots just get Ray Ball. I just don't understand why we wouldn't. He's in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

00:59:44 Speaker_02
I know he's a good coach. Let's admit the Mayo thing didn't work. Let's just get Ray. Let's get a real coach. We have this unbelievable quarterback. Let's not waste one year with this.

00:59:54 Speaker_02
Let's just get him an awesome coach, and let's try to build around the coach and the quarterback like we did for 20 years with Belichick and Brady. But I was thinking about what makes a coach succeed and what doesn't over and over again.

01:00:06 Speaker_02
It's like the hot play caller gets called in or it's like this amazing defensive whiz or like this guy is like, Hey, are we doing this wrong? I guess is my point.

01:00:17 Speaker_02
Because over and over again, it seems like if they, like if they fired Mayo, no, like we've hired Ben Johnson, the lion's whiz kid, offensive coordinator. It's going to be great for Drake May. My response would be, is he? Are we sure?

01:00:30 Speaker_02
Does he know how to coach like all aspects of a team? I know he could probably draw up some cool plays like the DJ.

01:00:37 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:00:37 Speaker_02
But does he know how to like lead men? Does he know, understand game situations?

01:00:41 Speaker_02
Like we always rave about these great coaches that we have in the league that you and I love to bet on like Tomlin and Andy Reed and you know, the Harbaugh's and these guys, these aren't like whiz kids specialist things. They're like attitude.

01:00:54 Speaker_02
They got, they're like leaders of men who look for specific things. They build through the lines. I don't understand why everybody doesn't do that.

01:01:01 Speaker_04
Wow. That's my soliloquy. Thank you. Well, I think the answer is there might not be enough guys like that. They just aren't, right? I mean, it might just be a handful leaders of men. I mean, you got Dan Campbell. You love his post-game speeches.

01:01:14 Speaker_04
I saw the tweet. You're exactly right. He's awesome. He's gonna win Coach of the Year, if not for the Lions' great record, because of these speeches. And these get on SportsCenter.

01:01:26 Speaker_04
And if you're a Dan Quinn or a Mike Tomlin or an Andy Reid, you kind of have to step it up. Take your shirt off in the locker room and let that get on TV if you're gonna win this Coach of the Year thing, because he's pretty damn good.

01:01:36 Speaker_04
And you're right, he's a leader of men.

01:01:38 Speaker_02
You gotta think of, you almost have to think of the post-game YouTube clip or the Twitter clip on that. For trying to win coach of the year. You almost have to memorize lines like an actor.

01:01:49 Speaker_04
Strip down, wave the shirt over your head, do something.

01:01:53 Speaker_02
Campbell uses notes, which I thought was interesting. I don't know if you've noticed that. He has notes, he's like, all right, first ball, and he looks down. Maybe that could be Tomlin's edge.

01:02:00 Speaker_00
Tomlin has no notes.

01:02:01 Speaker_02
He just knows who to give the game ball to. Teleprompter, yeah. Yeah, anyway, my point is, I just think the WizKid thing, I think we're gonna grow out of that soon. It feels like that goes wrong way more than it goes right.

01:02:15 Speaker_04
Cliff Kingsbury, last week, was the number one guy for the Bears, in terms of like, odds and stuff. Like, how much do you need to see about with him, right? Right.

01:02:25 Speaker_02
The Bears owner thing went so badly, they paid him to go away during the season. And even the coordinator thing's a little sketchy at this point, so. Also, all right, let's say Steve Sarkisian's a good, no, not Steve, Steve Spagnuolo.

01:02:40 Speaker_02
I got my double S's confused. Spagnuolo's a good example. Like he was a head coach, didn't work. He might go to the Hall of Fame as a defensive coordinator. Would you rather be like the most incredible offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator?

01:02:54 Speaker_02
I know you make more money as a coach, but like Josh McDaniels is a good example. He was an excellent offensive coordinator and a terrible head coach.

01:03:03 Speaker_02
So maybe, sometimes it's okay maybe to be just like an overqualified, awesome, properly played defensive coordinator versus getting thrown. I know they have to do it. I know it's a bigger job, it's more money, you gotta do it, but.

01:03:16 Speaker_04
Yeah, well maybe if Andy Reid had given him like a nicer Christmas gift, Eric Biannimi would be around and they wouldn't be scoring like 16 points a game, like things like that, but yeah, you're right.

01:03:25 Speaker_02
Do you know who the running back's coach is of the Commanders?

01:03:31 Speaker_05
I don't, I don't think so.

01:03:32 Speaker_02
It's Anthony Lynn. Oh yeah. Remember him? Yeah. That's the thing.

01:03:38 Speaker_02
These guys get one head coaching job and then they go back and they're like a coordinator or like a linebackers coach or a running backs coach or like a D backs coach or a special teams coach. And a lot of times they get their one shot and that's it.

01:03:50 Speaker_02
But. that the big picture point is Vrabel's stated there. Belichick might go to college, for God's sakes, because he's so disgruntled. All right, next topic. Oh, I wanna do a quick Jets thing.

01:04:04 Speaker_02
The Jets had, they went 0-7 in these games that they almost won. And I'm just gonna remind you of the games really quick. The Denver bad weather game, 10-9, and the guy missed the field goal. And they also lost the ball on downs.

01:04:19 Speaker_02
Minnesota and London, they had a first down inside the 30 down six and then Rogers threw a pick. Bills 2320, they lost that. They were midfield three minutes left driving Rogers through a pick. Pats, 25-22, they lost.

01:04:33 Speaker_02
They missed a two-point to go up seven, and then the Pats drove down the field and won the game on them. Colts, 28-27, they actually scored, gave up a game-winning drive to Anthony Richardson, which that has somehow happened twice this year.

01:04:47 Speaker_02
Seattle, 26-21, first down inside the 30, lost the ball on downs. And then Dolphins, they lose by six today, and I have no idea how they lost. Is it possible the Jets weren't bad? The Jets are 3-10. Is it possible they actually weren't bad?

01:05:05 Speaker_02
Even if they go 4-3 in those games, they're 7-6 right now, like battling for a seventh seed. They can't close games. There are plenty of bad teams that are in one-score games.

01:05:15 Speaker_02
You could literally pinpoint Rodgers as the reason they're 3-10 instead of 7-6. I didn't realize it was that easy to figure out.

01:05:25 Speaker_04
All right, I guess so, by that, if you're gonna measure it like that. But I also think he should retire. Owen Seven? Yeah. He went over 300 yards today. He should be like, that's it, it's not gonna get better than that.

01:05:36 Speaker_04
I have a Netflix documentary coming out next week, and I passed with 300 yards, and I'm never gonna blame myself.

01:05:42 Speaker_02
You and I both had the Dolphins money on them.

01:05:45 Speaker_04
Yeah, I was scared for a minute.

01:05:47 Speaker_02
They were reprehensible for most of that game. They looked like they didn't really want to be there.

01:05:51 Speaker_02
They looked like they thought the game was three hours later than it was and they all hustled over and got dressed and just kind of ran out and didn't warm up. I was alarmed by how, and the Jets moved the ball up and down on them the whole game.

01:06:04 Speaker_02
They didn't have Breece Hall. It was pretty disgusting, and then Miami ends up winning anyway.

01:06:08 Speaker_04
Our buddy JJ was there, he goes there, he's like an old man, he flies from New York, he has to have the sun, he's there, and he was like, by the end of the game, he texts us, he's like, I was shaking, I was shaking at the end.

01:06:21 Speaker_04
I was like, why were you shaking? It was this monumental win that puts, you lost like six draft spots. Six and seven, we're one away from 500. It's like, oh man, if he was shaking about that, he's not gonna be happy about Juan Soto.

01:06:34 Speaker_02
Let's do the most depressing franchise rankings. Okay. Right now. In your opinion, who is the most depressing franchise?

01:06:49 Speaker_02
If you're a fan and you're looking at the season you're having, the assets you have, your quarterback coach situation, what your picks are, your salary cap situation, the division you're in, the conference you're in, everything, who should be the most depressed right now?

01:07:03 Speaker_02
Cleveland Browns. I had the number one as well.

01:07:06 Speaker_04
Without hesitation. Now, the Jameis stuff, he's a miracle. He's a lot of fun to watch. I think he should be like an all-time quarterback for Monday Night Football or something, because he's so much fun. And today, we didn't even get a great Jameis game.

01:07:19 Speaker_04
We got like a four, but if he could do anything from... He was actually kind of bad today. Yeah, yeah. I don't like if he's just bad. I want him to be great and bad, but ultimately worse. But yeah, it's...

01:07:33 Speaker_04
They owe their quarterback $92 million over the next two years. They're a losing franchise. They have borderline criminal owners, alleged bribery scandal all over the place. And they're in a tough, I mean, that division is gross.

01:07:47 Speaker_04
How are they gonna, they'll play like today. They'll be close for a minute and that's it. But they're looking at like six and 11 the next few years, I think, at best.

01:07:56 Speaker_02
I had them number one as well. My second pick was the Giants. Hmm. Eight straight losses, most incompetent NFL franchise, really for the last decade. If you look at record, you look at all the stuff that's happened with them.

01:08:13 Speaker_02
They don't have a QB coach or GM. I want at least one of the three, if I'm, you know, they're 0 for three. Today, a plane flew over the stadium that said, Mr. Mara, enough, please fix this dumpster fire, was flying over the stadium.

01:08:29 Speaker_02
And now they're gonna have the number one pick, and it's a draft where nobody really likes the QBs. Yeah. It's rough. And you're going to have to talk to yourself in the same Darnold. I think they have to be second. Would you have anybody over them?

01:08:41 Speaker_04
Um, if I had to go next, I would take the bears. I think.

01:08:47 Speaker_02
Oh, interesting. I had that bears number nine.

01:08:50 Speaker_04
Oh, you did. Oh, wow.

01:08:51 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:08:51 Speaker_04
What do you have?

01:08:52 Speaker_02
Cause I think you could talk to yourself in a Caleb and they, you know, they've had some draft picks and

01:08:58 Speaker_04
I think that division's gonna be very good for a while, and I feel like it's a little depressing, the Caleb thing right now, and they just don't really, I don't think they know what they're doing in the front office, and they're in a loud, much like the Giants, they're in a loud city.

01:09:13 Speaker_04
They're never gonna hear the end of how bad they are forever, so it gets amplified.

01:09:18 Speaker_02
Who do you have? I had the Raiders third for me. They're paying three coaches right now. They have the worst record in the league. They've had no results whatsoever, other than that one year they made the playoffs with Carr, when Max Crosby was fun.

01:09:35 Speaker_02
We had Pit Boss Rich, that was fun, I guess. No QB, I guess Tom Brady is now a part owner, but there's just not a lot going on, and I'm in a division now with Mahomes and Harbaugh. and Herbert and Sean Payton, and I'm just bummed if I'm a Raiders fan.

01:09:55 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think they interviewed 31 agents. Was James Babydoll Dixon one of them? I don't know, but they all said they were the worst run organization, the Raiders, and they've been taking wild swings for 25 years and can't get there. Jesus.

01:10:09 Speaker_04
Who'd you have for four? Okay, for four, worst franchise, I'm gonna go Quiznos. You know, we had someone work at Jimmy Kimmel Live and move to the Pacific Northwest like 15 years ago, opened the Quiznos, and it closed immediately.

01:10:23 Speaker_04
And now you hear less about it than Subway, Jimmy John's, Blimpies, Jersey Mike's, Fat Sal's out here. You know, you make your own sandwiches. There's too many options. I think Quiznos is, they're in trouble, Quiznos. Unless they sponsor us.

01:10:38 Speaker_04
In that case, they'll. Jimmy Jets is taking their ledge.

01:10:41 Speaker_02
Yeah. All right, go ahead, you go. Jets. They'll unwind this Rodgers thing, but they've spent so much capital and cap, picks, everything. Their fans have no faith in anything they do. They don't have a coach. They don't have a GM.

01:10:58 Speaker_02
They don't have a quarterback. When you're 0 for 3, as I said earlier, that's where you get worried. I don't really know what the solutions are. I guess the good news is they lost today. Those are pretty easy top four for me.

01:11:10 Speaker_02
Browns, Giants, Raiders, Jets, but anybody else you would put up there? I thought what was interesting about this exercise was...

01:11:16 Speaker_02
I would have the Panthers in the top three like two months ago, and now, you know, I think they might have found a coach, and I think they at least have a QB that they know they can bring into the off season and feel good about.

01:11:30 Speaker_02
They're gonna have another high draft pick. They've paid the Caleb thing. The Caleb trade turn, the way Caleb played this year, it's maybe not gonna haunt them in the way we could have thought. So I drop them down to number eight.

01:11:42 Speaker_04
Well, let me ask you this, who would you rather have, so you'd rather have the Panthers franchise than the Jaguars?

01:11:50 Speaker_02
Yeah, because the thinking with the Panthers was they're in such a funky division. They're in with the Bucks and the Saints and the Falcons. All I have to do is find a couple of good players, I can go to war.

01:12:04 Speaker_02
Whereas if I'm the Jags, I'm in a division with Stroud. I don't know. I guess it's not that worse.

01:12:13 Speaker_04
I mean, they're paying Trevor Lawrence $275 for five, I think. So that's gotta be your guy.

01:12:20 Speaker_02
I had Titans five and Jags six, and the only difference is the Titans definitely don't have a QB, and I don't think they have a coach either or a gym. The Jags might have a QB. That's it. And I do like Brian Thomas. I do like some of the Jags.

01:12:37 Speaker_02
I do wonder what would happen if you gave them a really good coach next year. So I do think they have some talent, whereas the Titans, they were awful today.

01:12:45 Speaker_04
You also have to have an owner who wants to win, okay, most of them do, and is not a freaking idiot, right? Like, I don't know. We can't put my team up there because it's just worked too much. You did. Son of a bitch.

01:13:00 Speaker_02
I had the Bears ninth and the Cowboys tenth. All right. But you know, it's a distant tent compared to Jets, Titans, Jags, four, five, six, like you're miles away from those teams.

01:13:10 Speaker_04
They're kind of worth a lot though if you wanted to sell them.

01:13:13 Speaker_02
I'm just talking about winning and the Saints had number seven. That's another one where I don't really know long-term what you got there. They're probably the weirdest ownership situation

01:13:27 Speaker_02
combined with what's going on with the basketball team, no QB, they're in cap hell. Peyton fled them a couple years ago for mysterious reasons, so I think they have to be mentioned as well.

01:13:39 Speaker_04
I think we have to mention the Patriots, too. They haven't won their division in years. In years, they haven't won a division. They have an impossible time building a roster.

01:13:46 Speaker_02
Listen, if we didn't have Drake May, we would be in the top five for this combo.

01:13:49 Speaker_04
You got a stadium, no one cares. Nephew Kyle's the only one ballsy enough to wear the jersey. I have the majors, you know.

01:13:55 Speaker_02
I wore it last week. That's true. Want to do Guess the Lines?

01:13:58 Speaker_04
Yeah, let's do it. I don't think we take any breaks. Do we take breaks?

01:14:03 Speaker_02
No, we're just flying through it. Oh, good.

01:14:04 Speaker_04
I like it.

01:14:05 Speaker_02
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01:15:41 Speaker_02
If you told me like Friday, how excited are you about Niners Rams next Thursday, I would have been like, eh, four. Now it might be like a seven.

01:15:51 Speaker_04
I like it.

01:15:51 Speaker_02
Seven and a half.

01:15:52 Speaker_04
Play tough, San Francisco. Play like, give us your B minus game at least for this one. What's our record for guess the lines? What are we doing now? I won the last couple of weeks. Seven, six, and one, you still have the lead.

01:16:05 Speaker_02
I have the Niners by three over the Rams.

01:16:10 Speaker_04
Yeah, you get this. By the way, you're gonna win this week. I was way off on a lot. I said one and a half, it's two and a half, so you get it. You're putting the Rams on every teaser, I know you are.

01:16:27 Speaker_05
Bengals tomorrow, Rams Thursday, good.

01:16:30 Speaker_02
Good job on you. Something I don't trust about the Rams It's never easy with them, you know? Even today, what was that score, 35-13 at one point? Something like that. Just don't, never feel comfortable with them. And you watch their, so many weapons.

01:16:48 Speaker_02
It just feels like they, you watch their offense and they seem like they should be the, nobody wants to see these guys in the playoffs, but I feel like people will be fine seeing them.

01:16:59 Speaker_02
Sunday's marquee game, we had two really good options for this, but I'm going to go with Lions-Bills in Detroit. Jared Goff with a puncher's chance to steal the MVP. I don't think he will. Bills don't totally need the game as we mentioned earlier.

01:17:16 Speaker_02
They're going to be there two seed or three seed. Lions kind of need the game because the Vikings won't go away. And the Eagles won't go away either. So I had the Lions by three and a half.

01:17:30 Speaker_04
We split this, I said one and a half, it is two and a half. You surprised? That's fair. Well, I didn't think they were gonna make it three. I know it's not a must win for the Bills, but I just don't see them losing back to back a lot. It's a fun one.

01:17:47 Speaker_04
I'm already fast forwarding to Dan Campbell's written speech. Excited.

01:17:53 Speaker_02
I wonder, it feels like they docked the lines at least a point for the defensive injuries. Did you see Hutchinson might come back for round three?

01:18:04 Speaker_04
That was exciting. They weren't bad, though, against Green Bay. I know it was a lot of points, but if you hold them less than 300 yards. This was my preseason Super Bowl pick, too, so should be fun.

01:18:15 Speaker_03
By the way, there's seven good games this week. Yeah. Watchables. I have four. I have eight good games.

01:18:28 Speaker_02
Texans home for the Dolphins. I put some games in the watchables and the fairly watchables because they're kind of loser-league town matches for at least one of the teams. Like in this case, Texans-Dolphins. I don't think the Dolphins can lose again.

01:18:41 Speaker_02
I'm not even sure they're a playoff team. But the Broncos are also playing the Colts. And that's one that normally would be like a fairly watchable, but that's actually a really good game. That's probably a seven seed.

01:18:54 Speaker_02
And there's a scenario where Dolphins beat the Texans, Colts beat the Broncos, and now all of a sudden we have all these scenarios to figure out. So Houston, Miami, I have the Texans by three and a half over Miami. Oh, do I get this one?

01:19:07 Speaker_05
I do, I said two, it's two and a half. No, that's too low, that's stupid. I have some big, big misses coming up.

01:19:16 Speaker_02
I might bet Houston straight up on that one. I was not impressed by the Dolphins today. They just look sloppy and asleep, would be my scouting report. Broncos, Colts.

01:19:30 Speaker_02
You know, Broncos have been tough to gauge how the bookmakers think of them, so I'm gonna play it safe, Broncos by three.

01:19:38 Speaker_04
That's what I said, it's five and a half.

01:19:41 Speaker_02
Yeah, see, that's what I mean. I can't tell if Fando and company like the Broncos or not, because sometimes it seems like they do, and then other times it seems like they don't. Five and a half's rich.

01:19:54 Speaker_04
Well, I know you said Rams-Bills was the game of the year, but I don't think we could say enough about Denver-Cleveland last Monday. It's just so damn good.

01:20:03 Speaker_02
You're right, that was up there too. So damn good. That was at least the gambling moment of the year. Oh yeah, oh yeah. James somehow taking the deaths of the one and then throwing another pick. Eagle Steelers in Philly.

01:20:17 Speaker_02
This was the other candidate for the marquee game. And I think this has to be Eagles by three. That's what I said. I can't believe this, actually. Four and a half. See, this is what I was telling you before, that people don't see the Steelers thing.

01:20:35 Speaker_02
And I think it's good for us. All right.

01:20:37 Speaker_05
Steelers special. Let's do it. Dump the first half and win the game. The Steelers get no respect, it's bizarre.

01:20:46 Speaker_02
I mean, Tomlin against Philly in Philly, getting like four and a half, five, I guarantee I'd pick that game. Chargers home for the bucks and, uh, the bucks have been scotch taping it here for a while. Chargers look good today.

01:21:06 Speaker_02
I had this at three this morning when I did this, but I'm going to bump at a half point. I'm going to say chargers by three and a half. Oh, shouldn't have bump. No bump.

01:21:14 Speaker_04
I said one and a half. It's two and a half. So we split this.

01:21:18 Speaker_02
God damn it. Why did I touch it going on? I like the Chargers. I think the Bucs are gonna have a lot of trouble scoring against them.

01:21:27 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think Baker's gonna be a little jittery. They'll get to him in the pocket. It's a fun one, though. You know, this could be... They'll have more fans, right? Chargers. It's a rare home game with an advantage.

01:21:42 Speaker_02
Yeah, how many Tampa fans would make the trip from Florida to L.A. in mid-December?

01:21:47 Speaker_03
Fairly watchables. Chiefs.

01:21:53 Speaker_02
at Cleveland in a game that by law has to be in the Vegas zone, then I'm gonna say Chiefs by five and a half.

01:22:02 Speaker_04
This makes me, people are gonna think I've never done this before and they might be, I said nine and a half, it's six and a half. I don't know, I mean, I guess, I don't know.

01:22:17 Speaker_02
I hate them both for various reasons. They just don't know what to make these Chiefs lines anymore. They have no idea. Washington is at the Saints.

01:22:29 Speaker_02
I assume no Derek Carr, which means this line has to be at least 3 1⁄2, and that's what I'm gonna guess, Washington by 3 1⁄2.

01:22:35 Speaker_04
So that's what I said. Unless they change this, it's seven. Washington by seven. So Carr's out.

01:22:44 Speaker_02
Not a lot of Spencer Rattler fans?

01:22:47 Speaker_04
No, I guess not. I'm trying to figure out why this would be. Washington offer buy?

01:22:52 Speaker_02
I don't love it. Last fairly watchable, at least fairly watchable for me, Cardinals at home for the Patriots. Probably the Pats' last chance to win a game. Cardinals playing to stay in the playoff hunt. And I was in Denver on Thursday.

01:23:11 Speaker_02
Here's how much I love Drake May. The Patriots, over under on FanDuel was three and a half. And the under was plus 152. And I'm like, we're not winning another game this year.

01:23:26 Speaker_02
Like this is, we're finishing three and 14 unless some crazy Drake May game happens. Plus 152, what a great line. I should bet that. I'm not betting it. I didn't bet it. I don't want to root against Drake May. I love Drake May. I can't root against him.

01:23:42 Speaker_04
Nephew Kyle was telling me about this too. You guys betting like crazy. Did he go for under three and a half? He would never. No.

01:23:50 Speaker_02
We discussed it. We were like, very unlikely we'd win again, but not betting against Drake May. Yeah. This should be close. What do you think? Yeah. I got to say, so I'd have cards by six. What'd you have? I said six also. That's six and a half.

01:24:05 Speaker_02
Am I really matching? I think the Pats could win this game. Why not? Poop Factor, Bengals at Titans. I had Bengals by six at Tennessee.

01:24:17 Speaker_04
I swear I had the same thing and it's four and a half.

01:24:21 Speaker_02
They put it in the Vegas zone. Ravens, so we have a lot, oh shit, I just realized this, Jesus. What's the matter? Just a lot of home underdogs.

01:24:35 Speaker_02
So we have Browns, Saints, Titans, Giants, potentially a couple more here, and then potentially a Monday nighter. Ravens at Giants, I'm gonna say Ravens by 10 and a half, and I'm not gonna put them in the tees.

01:24:49 Speaker_04
You're gonna get this, because I said 10. It's 14 and a half. Oh my lord, that's stupid.

01:24:56 Speaker_02
Obviously nobody's watched Lamar and Jim and John Harbaugh against a shitty team in the road.

01:25:02 Speaker_04
If a team has given up, what can you say?

01:25:05 Speaker_02
And the Giants are up 14 to 3 heading into halftime here at Giants Stadium. Cowboys, Panthers. Had a lot of trouble with this one. I, I gave this the old one and a half Cowboys by one and a half at Carolina. I had even more trouble.

01:25:24 Speaker_04
I said Cowboys by three. Get ready. Bill Panthers by one and a half. Oh, that is a low point for the franchise. Maybe the Cowboys are the worst franchise. Maybe, maybe that puts us, maybe we have to re-rank these franchise. Oh my God.

01:25:44 Speaker_04
Wow, I'm staring at it and it's not changing. The Panthers are favored against the Cowboys.

01:25:49 Speaker_02
If I had told you six weeks ago that in week 15, the Panthers are gonna be favored by a point and a half over the Cowboys, would you have assumed there was like a bus accident?

01:25:59 Speaker_04
If you told me six minutes ago, I wouldn't believe it. I still don't believe what's going on here. Now, I guess it's... Wow.

01:26:06 Speaker_02
The Panthers have been good. This is what we talked about earlier. They've been good. I mean, a good-bad team, not good-good.

01:26:11 Speaker_04
I know. They hang around in these games. I'd rather have their quarterback. I'd rather have their running back. I'd rather have one of their receivers. Yeah, you're right. The defensive tackle. I guess it makes sense. It's just very depressing.

01:26:25 Speaker_02
Jets are at Jacksonville, speaking of depressing. I don't know if it gets more depressing than this. This is the Aaron Rodgers, Mac Jones game. Nobody wanted. And I have the Jets favored by one and a half.

01:26:39 Speaker_04
I got this exactly. It's three. They still like the Jets, the odds makers, they do. Yeah, they still do.

01:26:47 Speaker_02
Did they end up covering today or, because it was six and a half, they dropped to five and a half, and then they lost by six.

01:26:52 Speaker_04
I think during the week it was five and a half, and at kickoff it was six and a half, but you can't win by six and a half in overtime. Sunday night. You're up 11-9, so if you win one of these, I think you're in good shape.

01:27:08 Speaker_02
I'm hitting this one. Seahawks Packers in Seattle, a very good one. Always a problem with the uniforms, always confusing.

01:27:16 Speaker_05
Oh, yeah.

01:27:18 Speaker_02
Some good history with these two teams. I'm gonna say Seahawks by one and a half.

01:27:23 Speaker_04
Oh, no, no, no. I said Green Bay by one. It is Green Bay by two and a half.

01:27:28 Speaker_02
Oh, man.

01:27:30 Speaker_05
Let's go.

01:27:33 Speaker_03
That's a big mistake.

01:27:36 Speaker_05
Oh, this could be good. Cause I picked one. There's two Monday night games and I picked one of them. Exactly.

01:27:42 Speaker_02
Packers two and a half.

01:27:46 Speaker_05
Wow. You're looking at a teaser. I know you are.

01:27:49 Speaker_02
Did anyone watch the Seahawks the last couple of weeks?

01:27:54 Speaker_04
I guess they'll have the rest advantage, right? Green Bay, Jordan Love in Seattle.

01:28:00 Speaker_02
Two Monday night games.

01:28:01 Speaker_05
Yep.

01:28:03 Speaker_02
And I wish they were better.

01:28:05 Speaker_04
You know, I don't care. I just, as long as there's seven early afternoon now, I mean, cause it would have been eight if there was one, right? So it's fine. It's fine.

01:28:14 Speaker_02
Vikings home for the bears. And, uh, I don't see how this is less than seven and a half. So I'm going to say Vikings by seven and a half.

01:28:23 Speaker_04
I said seven. It is seven. Jesus.

01:28:28 Speaker_02
So I'm up one on you right now.

01:28:30 Speaker_05
You're up one. You're up one and, wait, one, two, three. 11, two.

01:28:39 Speaker_04
No, it's 11, 11. I was off by a point and a half in this. You should be able to maybe get it. Desmond Ritter against his old team. What a game.

01:28:52 Speaker_02
Atlanta at Vegas. I'm gonna say Atlanta by three and a half.

01:28:57 Speaker_04
Oh, I pulled it out four. It's five and a half. Oh my God. This is great. You've tied me and guess the lines. I'm a little less depressed at the Cowboys and around the dog to the Panthers. Unbelievable.

01:29:14 Speaker_02
All right, let's see. Parent corner. What do you got?

01:29:18 Speaker_04
Let's do it. What do I have? All right, a couple things. First of all, my youngest, my 10 year old is in his travel baseball team and he got five hits this weekend. And he's batting like 360 and he's available Mets.

01:29:31 Speaker_04
I know you don't have any money left, but he is available. So he wants to hit 400 in the worst way. And I asked him if he'd rather get all A's in school and hit 300 or all C's and hit 400. And he gave the right answer.

01:29:45 Speaker_04
He said he'd rather get all Cs than hit 400. And I made sure his mother wasn't looking at it, I high-fived him. So anyway, I'm a good father.

01:29:53 Speaker_04
But the big one I wanna talk about is the Spotify rap and how much of a loser I feel like because I'm embarrassed to say, even though this is what I like, Kenny Loggins, Billy Joel, Huey Lewis and the News, Chicago and Hall and Oates.

01:30:11 Speaker_04
Those are my top five. Some of those bands are too old for even you to make a documentary about. So I don't even know. I mean, I've heard them so many times.

01:30:19 Speaker_02
And all of your texts are about the Yacht Rock deck?

01:30:21 Speaker_04
Yeah, absolutely. So you're just old. I'm just old, and it's sad, but then it said, like, July was my psychedelic beach goth moment. I was like, oh, wow. And I was big into the Growlers, the Dead Ghosts, and the Pesos. I was like, this is terrific.

01:30:38 Speaker_04
I don't even remember listening to those. It's my kids. It's my son. It's my college kid who shares it with Spotify. And he puts me in a different realm, but it makes me feel bad. Like, wow, those sound like cool bands.

01:30:50 Speaker_04
I couldn't name one song by any of them, but the Growlers. I don't think the Spotify rap, even though the son comes in for the save with some, I assume, hipster music, I don't know about the Spotify rap.

01:31:03 Speaker_04
If an app tells you how many times you get up in the middle of the night to pee, it's like, ah, I don't want that getting out. So thanks for trying to save me, kid, but I'm old and dying. The growlers.

01:31:16 Speaker_02
The growlers. My daughter asked if she could Instacart some stuff in college, and I said yes, and I just wanted to redo the order as my parent corner.

01:31:26 Speaker_05
I'll do it.

01:31:29 Speaker_02
Almond Breeze Unsweetened. Almond Breeze Unsweetened Original Almond Milk Non-Dairy Milk Alternative. Hood Instant Whipped Light Cream. Ready Whip Orange Original Dairy Whipped Topping. These are the first four things she got. What?

01:31:45 Speaker_02
Ghirardelli Hot Cocoa with Chocolate Chips. Swiss Miss Milk Chocolate Hot Cocoa Cake Cup Pods. Pillsbury Eater Bake Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. Toll House Chocolate Chip Lovers Cookie Dough with Chocolate Chips and Chocolate Chunks.

01:32:00 Speaker_02
Peanut butter, 90% less fat, powdered, original. That was my favorite, less fat after all these other orders. Archer Farms Women's Plaid Flannel Holiday Matching Family Pajama Set, small.

01:32:13 Speaker_02
Archer Farms Women's Plaid Flannel Holiday Matching Family Pajama Set, large. Strawberries, Jet Puff Mini Marshmallows and Skinny Pop Microwave Popcorn with Sea Salt.

01:32:27 Speaker_02
That was the Instagram order and apparently she was at my dad's house and they decided to Make cookies and drink hot chocolate and I'll go and she wanted to wear all this stuff But I got the order and I'm like, are you in college or you're like second grade?

01:32:43 Speaker_02
What what's happening? Oh Remember in college, like you used to go to college and you were just on your own and you had like, somebody had like a toaster oven and now you can just order whatever the fuck you want and it comes. That was it.

01:32:56 Speaker_04
Yeah, you had a crock pot or something.

01:32:59 Speaker_02
Having hot chocolate, when we were in college, it would have been like a miracle. It'd be like, you have hot chocolate? Yeah. It sounds amazing. Do you have like a crock pot? You could make it? Now it's just...

01:33:07 Speaker_02
I don't know the whole thing of being in college. I just feels like it's like in this delivery era. They're like, oh, I want pizza. Oh, our pizza place closed. Oh shit. I guess we can't have pizza now. It's like, I'll just order a pizza.

01:33:21 Speaker_04
So easy.

01:33:22 Speaker_02
Yeah. Does college make it too easy on our kids? Uh, yeah, like, or just like 2024, it's too easy to be a kid in college compared to the way it used to be. Like you said, like get sent off and that was it, man. You had to like sink or swim.

01:33:36 Speaker_04
You're on your own and fend for yourself. Right. Right. I don't know if I blame college, but she'd be doing this at home too. Right. If you were. Yes, she definitely would have done that if not. Yeah, I like it.

01:33:46 Speaker_04
Well, you see her every couple of weeks, but it'd be funny if she came back like for Christmas break, 225 pounds.

01:33:51 Speaker_02
She's dressed in red Play-Doh. Yeah. But that's the thing.

01:33:56 Speaker_02
She'll take like two bites of all this stuff because we call her, we call her the maggot is her nickname in our house because she'll like, there'll be a piece of pizza on the counter and she'll just take like just enough of the cheese to ruin the piece, but not eat the pizza.

01:34:10 Speaker_02
So we're always like, oh, the maggot got it. Isn't that what Sergeant Slaughter would call his opponents, a maggot?

01:34:17 Speaker_04
You should get a Sergeant Slaughter cameo.

01:34:19 Speaker_02
You know how maggots just like eat away at the... We call Ben the raccoon. Because when Ben gets into the kitchen, it's a lot different. There's a lot of damage, stuff like that. Did you watch UFC last night?

01:34:34 Speaker_04
I did. I did. It was great. Really good.

01:34:36 Speaker_02
It's actually a better card than I thought. A couple of weird decisions, but...

01:34:40 Speaker_04
I had, uh, opposite of you. You had gone, right? I had Volkoff. Yeah.

01:34:44 Speaker_02
That was, that was, I don't know if he won any round. No, I, I, I was, uh, I wrote the bet off. I thought, I thought he lost all three rounds.

01:34:54 Speaker_04
What did he do? Why do they have a Gracie in there? Just because of the name. And is that the best Gracie they could have? Because he seemed content to fight from his back. He just didn't half guard before he was thrown down.

01:35:05 Speaker_02
He was like 36. Rogan made a big case for him when he came out as a Gracie. You know, we talked to him. He said he's feeling great. And, uh, and he just got completely annihilated.

01:35:17 Speaker_04
But there's gotta be a better Gracie is what I'm thinking.

01:35:20 Speaker_02
I don't know. The LA card is going to be unbelievable.

01:35:22 Speaker_04
Yeah, that's fun. Is that in February?

01:35:25 Speaker_02
No, it's January 18th.

01:35:27 Speaker_04
Oh, OK. Yeah.

01:35:28 Speaker_02
All right. That's it. There you go. Anything else we got? That's it. What number is Juan Soto going to wear?

01:35:37 Speaker_04
I don't know. It'd be funny if he had to pay someone like three and a half million dollars for it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. What is he going to do? whatever frickin' number he wants. He could wear an ampersand.

01:35:47 Speaker_02
Well, we should mention on the Ringer Sunday pregame show, you were now 12 and two on your best bets.

01:35:52 Speaker_04
That's pretty good, right? Like, I brag, and I'm an asshole on that show for sure, and I ask these guys if they wanted to concede, but yeah, it's right there in the beginning of the show. We give our best bets.

01:36:02 Speaker_04
We'll give him bets the whole hour and a half. It's a lot of fun.

01:36:06 Speaker_02
We had, we're having a pretty good year just in general. I think our futures did good. Million dollar picks are doing good. The ringer Sunday pregame is doing pretty good.

01:36:14 Speaker_02
Everybody's house has been hitting some T some, uh, some underdogs, underdogs house heats up with the underdogs in December. So who did he have today? He had Jackson Jaguars.

01:36:23 Speaker_04
Yeah. He made a case that said the Titans numbers were fraudulent. They're defensive numbers and a defensive player. Okay. But yeah, we have Cousin Sal's winning weekend on Friday against all odds.

01:36:34 Speaker_04
By the way, you want winter seven and one with our last eight basketball bets better than anyone else on the ringer. Actually, it's quite sad. No one can compete, but yeah. And then what else? Through the ringer with Tate Frazier.

01:36:47 Speaker_04
I want to thank our friend, Kurt Schwarzkopf, the general hooked me up at the Intuit Dome. What did you do? Lots of fun. What'd you see, the Clippers? I got tickets. I saw the Clippers and the Trailblazers. I bet the Clippers that night.

01:37:02 Speaker_04
I know you gave your review of the place. I mean, I feel like I was buying a condo trying to get into the app and face scanning and all that shit. But once you're in, it's pretty great. Yeah, they make it really hard.

01:37:12 Speaker_04
Games for the kids at the seats and everything. Balmer did a nice job on the cheap.

01:37:18 Speaker_02
Wait, before we go, Seahawks minus 135, Rams plus 160.

01:37:23 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:37:25 Speaker_02
Tampa's minus 230, Atlanta's plus 185. Pittsburgh's minus 210, Baltimore's plus 175. They're just dying to get you to try to put Baltimore money down. Look at that steward schedule and there's a whole path, but I think the steward's going to do it.

01:37:43 Speaker_02
Anyway. All right. Cuz, as always, good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. Thanks to Kyle Creighton. Thanks to you, Steve Cerutti. Thanks to Gahal. And you can watch this on Spotify.

01:37:55 Speaker_02
You might not have even realized that as you were listening to it, but you can watch it on the YouTube channel as well. I'm going to be back with the Rewatchables on Monday night. Did a Michael Douglas movie. Oh, which one? Falling Down?

01:38:06 Speaker_02
No, I'm not going to say. It's a Michael Douglas movie. That's the only hint. And then back on this podcast on Tuesday. Great to see you, Sal. See you, buddy.