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Episode: Sister Wives Season 19 Episode 14: The truth will set you free
Author: Tess & Brooke Brigham
Duration: 01:05:49
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Kody and Robyn go on a date and Kody rails on their former church. Then he and Robyn reenact the excitement of their first glance. Christine and David host an engagement party with messy tacos. Meri and Jenn visit Brandi in Las Vegas to dish about her spiritual release from
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Hello, and welcome back to the Psych Legal Pop podcast. This is a podcast where we talk about popular culture through the lens of an attorney and a therapist. I'm the therapist, Tess Brigham. And I'm Brooke Brigham, I'm the attorney.
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And we are back with Sister Wives, season 19, episode 14, The Truth Will Set You Free. Not quite sure where this title comes from. And after several stellar episodes, this one was a little bit of a snooze. I was not thrilled.
00:01:51 Speaker_05
But it was still pretty good. Yeah.
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And I just said some moments that if you if you're listening, and you have you did not catch our episode last week with Melanie and Corey. Former AUB members. Listen to it because it'll change the way you look at the show. Yeah, for me.
00:02:13 Speaker_06
Yeah, because they gave so much insight. into what these people are thinking and what motivates them and everything.
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And so when I was watching this episode, I felt like, okay, I hadn't really starting to understand because you were always going, how could, you know, how could Mary be doing this? How could she be staying with him for 10 years?
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Well, now I get it, you know? Yeah, you know, why is Cody the way he is? And why is he doing this net? Well, okay, now I'm starting to get it.
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Yeah, yeah. The other thing too, is, you know, they were, they position themselves as being like, we're polygamous, but we're just like you.
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And I think part of what we what I really came away with from reading, you know, from the from the interview that we did, which is,
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Yeah, it was positioned of we're polygamous, but we wear normal clothes, and we don't look like the term, but, but you are different. Like your teachings were very different.
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Like, so we keep, you know, all of us who maybe didn't grow up with a lot of religion or didn't grow up in these high control environments, we're looking at everything through that lens, because we think this is who they are.
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And it's like, no, no, no, no. Yes, maybe they don't wear the prairie dresses, and maybe they're not as oppressed as some of these other women or children, but the framework is there, even though they're wearing jeans and t-shirts.
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Right, and that's the thing, the indoctrination is there. Yes, yes, thank you. Because they've been indoctrinated since childhood.
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you know, to think a certain way to act a certain way that the religion of, you know, this is, you got to do this to get to heaven, or you're going to burn in hell, and you don't want to burn in hell.
00:03:51 Speaker_06
Yeah, no, you want to go to heaven, live forever in heaven with your family. And so they've grown up with this their entire lives. And so yeah, that's their lens that they're looking at it. So that's why we're always so frustrated.
00:04:06 Speaker_06
Like, you know, what took you so long to leave? You know, I mean, financially, They couldn't. Yeah, you know, the only reason, like Christine, I mean, of course, they could have left, but they would have been very, I mean, where would they have gone?
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And once the show started, that's everything, right?
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Cody was controlling the money that my understanding is, you know, everything I've read, and, and it would track with all of this.
00:04:34 Speaker_06
is they were getting money from the show was going to Cody and he was deciding, I mean, it was going into this quote unquote family pot that they always talk about. As we've learned over the last few episodes, Cody controlled where that money went.
00:04:48 Speaker_06
Yes, he doled out the money, he wrote the checks. So they didn't have control of the money. And, you know, Christine, it was a stroke of luck. that, you know, she was not that Cody was not on title to her house.
00:05:03 Speaker_06
She was able to sell that thing out from under him and left. And there was really nothing that he could do.
00:05:08 Speaker_05
Yeah, legally. And and so that's the other part of it, too, is you know, how long, how long did Christine want to leave from the time in which she was like, Oh, wait a minute, I can now. You know what I mean?
00:05:24 Speaker_05
It's I'm wondering if she really was like, I got to, you know, and it was one day, she just looked up and realized like, Oh, wait, this is my, this is my one chance to bail.
00:05:34 Speaker_05
But the other thing too, is with Melanie and Corey is both of them, the sense I got was very early on, both of them were like,
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i don't know about this like they were already kind of in the back of their minds questioning things questioning things questioning things so
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if you think about maybe someone like Mary, who maybe didn't, maybe she questioned some of it, but not all of it. She didn't question those things.
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So, and we saw with Melanie and Corey just, you know, how they're still, they said they're still unpacking. They're still trying to process and get through and to understand everything. And they are right our age.
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And so you think about someone like Mary, and I think this is why we see this. This is why the Worthy Up stuff doesn't land with us. is a little bit like, because it's truly something that you would think as whoa, when you're in high school.
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Yeah, after your first breakup, or you know, you're writing bad poetry. You know what I mean? Like when you're a teenager, like early 20s. Like, we all already did that.
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Yeah, because Melanie and Corey left pretty young. Mm hmm. you know, like late teen, Corey, like late teen and never left the minute he could get out of there. Yeah.
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And Melanie left at 26, which is young, you know, but she already had, you know, three kids and well, she had left.
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Yeah, sorry. She left and then came back and left to get like she this. So you have to think about like, if you've if you're Christine or Mary, where you've never thought if this is what you believed in, you know what I mean?
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I think that's, I think that's what we're seeing. And you're absolutely right. I look at Mary totally differently.
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Yeah, I have a lot more compassion for her. I do. A lot more compassion for, um, for all of them, really, even I hate to say, even Robin, because she was indoctrinated to this stuff as well. And even though she clearly wanted to be the favorite wife,
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it, we learned from from them that there were favorite wives, like that was a position to be held. Yes, you know, and she, every family, every plural family, there was a favorite wife, and she sought that position out, and she got it.
00:07:47 Speaker_06
So she really believed in this stuff as well. And from a religion point, I think that Christine and Janelle, well, no, because Janelle says that she still believes in polygamy and that she would still do it again.
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She just didn't want to do it with Cody because he was exhausting. Christine really had a full blown break. Yeah, with the religion. And Mary, I think still, I don't think she wants to be in a plural marriage again.
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But I think she still believes in the faith. I mean, she went to the church elders and got that relief. That means she still has respect for the religion. Yeah. And so and Robin clearly still believes in it and is crying over everybody leaving.
00:08:40 Speaker_06
So yeah, I mean, they all have genuine feelings. Yeah. About this. Yeah. So yeah, yes. All right. Completely new lens here. So We start out at Robin and Cody's house. Mm hmm. They're going on a date.
00:08:59 Speaker_05
Oh, yes. You know, and God, Cody. It's just like, I just love to connect with this woman. I'm like, can I vomit now? If my husband said that to me, I'd punch him in the face. Like, can we just eat? And you know what?
00:09:16 Speaker_05
I bet you anything, the top of that Josephine's, it must be so hot in that attic. All I could think about was how hot it must be in that attic, but they don't drink.
00:09:26 Speaker_05
But you know, it's like, if you've had a couple of cocktails, you know, you start to get warm. And at our age, get warm naturally. I was just, oh God, that looked terrible.
00:09:36 Speaker_06
Yeah, I can't tell. Is this winter, spring, summer? I don't know. Hopefully they have air conditioning at Josephine's. But yeah, I wonder how much of a kickback Josephine's gets, if anything.
00:09:48 Speaker_05
I wonder if they even rent out that attic or if they just like, okay, the Sister Wives people are here. Let's clean out the attic and put a table up there. There we go.
00:09:56 Speaker_06
They must be getting paid for for doing this. So and then Robin explains that when you have little kids at home, it's not always easy to go out on a date. The girls are busy with college and homework, and then there's bath time and dinner.
00:10:15 Speaker_06
But it's like, but wait a minute, you have these built in babysitters. So why is it so you who you don't let live normal teenage lives, or the young adult lives at this point? So why is it so hard to go on a date?
00:10:31 Speaker_05
I think she's just saying what she thinks we want to hear. Yeah, she says a lot. She says a lot of the things that I think she wants people to hear, because she can't say, Cody and I love to go out. We go out all the time. Yeah, because I think they do.
00:10:45 Speaker_05
And they should.
00:10:46 Speaker_06
We always see pictures of them in like these restaurants around. Flagstaff in Arizona and drinking wine and going shopping. I think they do go out quite a bit because they have two built-in babysitters. And those kids are not that young.
00:11:07 Speaker_05
They're toddlers. Well, yeah. And the other thing is, I mean, she's got all those siblings and all that kind of stuff. I'm sure they could hire a babysitter or they could hire or ask a family member.
00:11:16 Speaker_05
I find it hard to believe that this is their one in six months date at Josephine's. Do you think Dayton's even living there anymore?
00:11:29 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's funny.
00:11:30 Speaker_05
We didn't hear about Dayton at all. I don't think so. And it's also then I thought, well, that's very sexist. Like, why can't Dayton watch the kids? Why are the girls responsible for watching the kids if Dayton's there too? Shouldn't they trade off?
00:11:44 Speaker_06
I'm concerned. I hope he's safe. I mean, some people have speculated that he's living with his father.
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But I don't know. I'm a little bit worried about him. I don't know. I feel like not seeing Dayton is a good thing. I feel like Dayton is somewhere where he can do what he wants to do.
00:12:04 Speaker_05
Because I don't think he ever really enjoyed these cameras and any of this. And that's the other thing too, what I was saying about
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we were talking about with uh Cory was he talked about being um he's more introverted and how hard that is and then i think about someone who's on the spectrum and how hard that is because we had something last night where we went out to dinner and my son was like this this place is a lot loud this place is loud thank god they seated us in that other room i'm like how is this but
00:12:34 Speaker_05
you know, it's you're very, very sensitive to like, a lot of kids are sensitive to sound. I just think I just feel for Dean. I always feel like he just seems like he must feel so overwhelmed.
00:12:44 Speaker_05
And it must be nice to kind of like God get away from these people. Yeah, live his own life.
00:12:50 Speaker_06
Yeah, Cody is really excited that he's got Robin all to himself. And he has so much he wants to talk about. Oh, yes. So much as if they never talk is all fucking day long. You know? Yeah. When they're together to talk about things. Yes.
00:13:09 Speaker_06
And they also act like they can't talk about anything in front of their kids, which I'm not saying they should talk about adult things in front of their kids, but their kids I mean, you can go into your bedroom at night and talk about that.
00:13:20 Speaker_06
Or when the kids are at school, they're at school all day.
00:13:23 Speaker_05
Yeah, that's a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. And guess what? You know what, my son never listens to me.
00:13:30 Speaker_06
So I can say so much listening, but really, no, they're, they're doing their own thing. They're so in a trance looking at some device that, you know, they barely like, acknowledge you when you do try to talk to them.
00:13:47 Speaker_05
So is this part where, did she start to talk about the girls or was that later in the episode where she talks about the girls wanting to go?
00:13:56 Speaker_06
No, she talks about it later. They flip back and forth. Okay. Well, I want to talk about that when we get there. We'll get there. So next, I think.
00:14:05 Speaker_06
No, she does say that Aurora and Brianna, this is before she talks to Cody about it, but she says Aurora and Brianna asked her, we saw this last week, to help them find a church. So she needs to see what Cody thinks about this.
00:14:21 Speaker_05
To see if he would get triggered. or something. Okay, so this is what I was going to say about the girls in this church thing.
00:14:30 Speaker_05
Last, when we were recapping it and talking about it, I was so fixated on the religious part of it that it really did go way over my head.
00:14:38 Speaker_05
We did, we talked for a while about their ages, but it's so interesting to see how many other people pick this up and everyone who talked about this episode talked about this, about how Yeah, these are, they're legal adults.
00:14:51 Speaker_05
They're 21 and 19 or whatever ages they are. My God, yeah, why do they have to ask permission to come to church? I was just really, I was like, yeah, I really didn't get that. I was like, yeah, this is very oppressive.
00:15:06 Speaker_05
Why aren't these girls making their own choices and decisions? Like, why can't they then go out and shop? Why do you need your mom to do this with you?
00:15:14 Speaker_06
Right. And also the thing, unlike Dayton, who seems to have gotten out of this high control situation, we think, we don't know, we don't know where he is. They they're in this high control situation with Robin.
00:15:29 Speaker_06
She has brainwashed them from day one, the first episode, season one, episode one, where she's showing them pictures of the family. And she says, Who is this? And Brianna says, Cody, and she says, Who? Oh, daddy. You know, I mean, she's been
00:15:45 Speaker_06
grooming them and brainwashing. So now, it's like they're these young women who basically have to live at home until they get married. That's what it looks like to me. Yeah, I feel like they have told them you have to live at home.
00:15:58 Speaker_06
So you got married and Brian was like, Well, how am I going to meet a guy and get married? I need to get out of here. But first, I got to meet a guy. Yeah, to marry him. I got to get married so I can leave.
00:16:07 Speaker_06
So she's like, Can I please go to a church to find a guy? Mm hmm. I mean, it's so sad. Yeah.
00:16:13 Speaker_05
And like, Aurora, she just looks dead inside. I've always had an issue with Aurora. And it's not that I don't like her. It's just more of, yeah, she's, that girl has never had her own opinion, ever.
00:16:27 Speaker_05
We don't know who she is, what she likes, what she doesn't like. We don't know anything because that girl has loved everybody from moment one. And that just, that always freaks me out. Well, she's needy.
00:16:40 Speaker_05
Yeah, very, yeah, very needy, but a lot of approval and all of those things. But I think that she's learned very early on, let me just let I'll just like everybody and then that way, I'll be okay.
00:16:53 Speaker_06
Yeah, when they show them on the couch, and they show them talking like Brianna looks scared. Yes, frightened, like, God, how do I get out of here? How do I escape? You know, blinking, blinking, like somebody help me.
00:17:06 Speaker_06
And Aurora just looks like I said, just like a zombie. Yeah, like, okay, I'm going through the motions here.
00:17:13 Speaker_06
I mean, I'm very concerned about I am really so and then Cody has to say, you know, it's nice to be on a date, because we've had this experience with family who has moved on. And it's caused a lot of pain. And
00:17:31 Speaker_06
they want to remove themselves from that or something. I don't know.
00:17:34 Speaker_05
Cody's really entered into a new phase of all this of, well, they're gone now. You're kind of like, but you do have control. Like, they are still on this planet. And they actually many of your children live in the same town.
00:17:49 Speaker_05
Like, he's acting as if, well, it's over. You know what I mean? Like the relationships, it's like, what are you talking about?
00:17:56 Speaker_05
They're still here, like you can still, you still have control, but because they won't follow him, or listen to him, he, he's like, well, that's it. There's no other solution.
00:18:10 Speaker_06
Robin's droning on. She has a lot of talking in this. She says she wants to talk while they don't have two little children interrupting us. Little children? The kids are what, nine and? I don't know, like 10 and eight.
00:18:29 Speaker_05
Yeah, they're not kidding me. Brooke and I were on Greyhound buses going across. Do you know? Yes, we weren't smoking, but there was smoking on the on the bus.
00:18:40 Speaker_05
Yeah, our parents were putting us in a goddamn bus to go across whatever to see our other parents. Yeah, like little children. Yeah, we were already we were seeing shit.
00:18:51 Speaker_06
We were seeing a lot of stuff the bite and getting off the bus and the downtown San Francisco God.
00:18:57 Speaker_05
Yeah, yeah.
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And Yeah, times. But you know, the girls, they want to go to church, find their path, but it's not Cody's church.
00:19:12 Speaker_06
And then Cody explains how their church was basically people who had been excommunicated from the LDS church and believed in plural marriage, like, well, thank you, we know. And then
00:19:26 Speaker_06
He says he wouldn't have a problem with his kids going into plural marriage, but he's not fond of it. Now. No, this is, excuse me, this takes the cake. This is the best line. He says he's worried about steering them clear of culty-like churches. Yes.
00:19:50 Speaker_06
Culty-like. Not, okay, that's, That's interesting.
00:19:57 Speaker_05
Yeah, you've you've skipped over some things. But do you want to just stay here and keep talking about that? Yeah, I think I just wrote all the stuff about them.
00:20:04 Speaker_06
And okay, got it. So let's just go let's just keep going with this date. So, you know, again, he he's talking on and on about He's losing his religion while finding his faith. I mean, he's just got a lot of platitudes and a lot of stuff.
00:20:29 Speaker_06
And oh, and this was also very funny. He said that the church saw his hair as rebellious. Yes. And they wanted to make him, they wanted to put him in a leadership position, but they wanted him to cut his hair.
00:20:45 Speaker_05
Yes. And he said no.
00:20:46 Speaker_06
That's why Cody never made it far.
00:20:49 Speaker_05
Or do you think they're like, God, we really don't, we feel like we have to ask Cody, but we don't really want him. So let's just tell him he has to cut his hair. And we know he's not going to do that.
00:21:01 Speaker_05
But wait, is this where they were talking about how the church leaders were pissed that they went public? Yeah. We had this whole church leader discussion. Yeah.
00:21:11 Speaker_06
They said that it made them mad.
00:21:13 Speaker_05
Yeah. Yeah. They thought every, so they all thought that Christine and the whole family thought that the church leaders would be on board with them doing this, but then it's like, Really?
00:21:26 Speaker_05
You would think that they, after everything we've heard about this, that they would then be on board with this. But that was really interesting.
00:21:32 Speaker_05
Again, I don't remember, they always talked about how there was this negativity of, you know, us going public, us going public. And it was always around this idea of religious freedom and plural marriage.
00:21:44 Speaker_05
And it was about the state of Utah, and it was about the community. But it was like, no, you know what, it was also people that ran your, you know, the head of your religion. They also weren't happy about it.
00:21:54 Speaker_06
And because it's it, it is a cult. And one of the first rules of a cult is you got to keep these things.
00:22:02 Speaker_06
See, yeah, yeah, you don't go and talk about because, you know, over the years on the show, they would talk about good and bad things about polygamy.
00:22:12 Speaker_05
But the other thing is, too, if you could say that them doing this show, really was them getting out. Do you know, it's almost a little bit like,
00:22:23 Speaker_05
Um, almost as if, you know, someone takes a job with someone or a family moves next door and starts to influence you.
00:22:31 Speaker_05
You know, if you really think about it, Christine was able to leave because she had the house, but they were able to afford multiple homes. They couldn't afford multiple homes before. They, you know, they were, I think that was a lot of it.
00:22:46 Speaker_05
I think that, that that getting out, that part of getting out for them was this show, because it helped them get there.
00:22:56 Speaker_06
Yeah. And, you know, Maddie on her podcast this week, she said point blank period. Before the show, we lived in poverty. And she used the word poverty several times talked about poverty mindset, talked about how, you know, when her parents would get
00:23:13 Speaker_06
like a tax refund or something, they just go spend it. You know, they weren't, you know, sounds like they weren't really great with money. handling money. I mean, well, we've seen it.
00:23:26 Speaker_04
Yeah, she made deals.
00:23:27 Speaker_05
Yeah, she made a few indications about what did she say about her? Her father was always about the get rich, the fixes, which I could totally see like the MLM. Yeah, yeah. We're just kind of that same mentality of, oh, okay, well, let's buy this now.
00:23:45 Speaker_05
And then we'll, we'll get our, um, our, you know, tax check in a couple months, and then, oh, okay, well, now I need that money for something else. I think it's, I think he's, I think he's always, this is always his MO. He buys first.
00:23:59 Speaker_06
Yeah, definitely. Um, so yeah, like, and then he goes back to this cult thing where he says, you can lose your children to bad marriage, to disagreements in a divorce, or you can lose your children to a cult.
00:24:14 Speaker_05
Hmm. Interesting.
00:24:17 Speaker_06
A lot of cult talk.
00:24:18 Speaker_05
Yeah. Well, and then he sort of, he went into this whole thing about his, you know, these daughters of his, his daughters, and this idea of them dating boys, and what's the role that Cody's gonna play?
00:24:32 Speaker_05
And he's like, I'm here, I'm a knight with my sword to protect, protect them. And then he said, you know, I played King with some of my other daughters. And that backfired, backfired. I'm like, okay. I mean, that's the part that's really disconcerting.
00:24:51 Speaker_05
If I was Savannah or any of these, you know, Isabel, I'd be like, okay, we can do that. Why can't you be a knight for me? Like, you're just sort of throwing up your hands.
00:25:03 Speaker_06
Yeah, like he gives because he had what I interpreted that as is that I think like with Maddie and Caleb, of course, he was in love with Caleb. That was the best part time of his life. Yeah.
00:25:14 Speaker_06
But I think he tried to insert himself too much into their life and pressure them. One big house thing and moving back and they kept saying no, we're never going to do that. And he wouldn't respect that. And he just kind of kept doing it.
00:25:27 Speaker_06
And then the way he treated McKelty and Tony was not very nice. So I think that's what he was referring to with where, you know, him being too controlling, blew up in his face. But you're right. Okay, well, here you have a chance to do it over again.
00:25:42 Speaker_06
Yeah, clearly, you know, still wants a relationship with you. We don't know what Savannah thinks or feels. Actually, we do because she said in that one episode,
00:25:53 Speaker_06
you know, when we find out he hasn't seen her in a year, she said that she basically accepts or maybe Janelle said this, I can't remember. She accepts that he's just like a Disneyland dad, doesn't see him and he comes around
00:26:10 Speaker_06
you know, once in a while, and when he does, they can get along and have a conversation and then he's gone. Yeah. So that's sad, you know, I mean, holding out hope, but Savannah has kind of given up on him. Yeah.
00:26:23 Speaker_05
Well, she's not even gonna have Cody Walker down the aisle. That's gonna kill Cody, right?
00:26:27 Speaker_06
He's gonna lose his goddamn mind. Well, that's what, you know, actions have consequences. Yeah. So, okay, so now is this where we get into the the church shopping discussion or was there something else?
00:26:46 Speaker_05
I think so. Because she's always she's commenting on other things. This has got to do with Mary. Yeah, keep going. Because it's mainly just talking about church shopping.
00:26:57 Speaker_06
Yeah, I have down because so she she brings it up as if he doesn't already know with why they're there. And he says, I'm safe for them, right? Oh yeah, that was so weird. Yeah, and Robin says, absolutely.
00:27:10 Speaker_06
And then she says, religion is an intense topic for you. Then we get Aurora and Brianna on the couch saying, yeah, he's intense. And this is where they look really disturbed. They look like no joy, fear, worry.
00:27:27 Speaker_06
And so I think what's happening here is that they are afraid of his reaction to this, how he's going to react, what he's going to do. And then later on in the conversation, it becomes apparent that
00:27:43 Speaker_06
I think they're afraid, because he says he wants to go to this church too, because he doesn't want anyone thinking Robin is a single woman. Oh yeah, we have to talk about that, their other thing, yeah.
00:27:55 Speaker_06
So they know eventually he's going to show up in this church, and they're afraid of how he's going to react, and how he's going to embarrass them, basically. Because he was the priest of his family. So now what he's going to take a demotion.
00:28:14 Speaker_06
He's just like a member of the congregation. But he's a knight with a sword.
00:28:20 Speaker_05
Well, which is better a priest or a knight? I don't I don't know. But Cody just needs to feel like he's a badass. He needs to feel like he's like protecting.
00:28:29 Speaker_06
Yeah. He's important. He's a badass. He's in charge. He he does not want to anyone to tell him or whatever. So this is problematic. And you can tell they know this is coming. So they're trying to, I guess, head it off at the pass.
00:28:51 Speaker_06
I mean, the section, when I think about it, is quite strategic. What they're trying to do here.
00:28:57 Speaker_05
I bet you anything. Maybe Brianna's already met someone and that this guy maybe goes to a church and this is they're gonna shop. I would not be surprised if they had thought all of this through and kind of like this is their way to get around it.
00:29:12 Speaker_05
And good for them. If this is the only way they can get out, then then do do what you got to do to get out.
00:29:18 Speaker_06
Yeah, because Robin is really using her charms here with him.
00:29:23 Speaker_05
Oh, with Cody. Okay, so now can we talk about their role playing?
00:29:28 Speaker_05
So you know that this is one of their favorite nighttime role plays, which is the whole like, Oh, I looked at you know, you I looked at you know, I tell me what happened when you saw me.
00:29:42 Speaker_06
What did you feel? Did you feel a lightning bolt?
00:29:47 Speaker_05
Yes. I mean, I mean, I bet you anything. Do you think she really felt a lightning bolt? Or did she figure out like, Okay, I'm gonna tell this guy I felt a lightning bolt and just feed his ego because you know, that makes him so happy.
00:29:59 Speaker_06
And he's like, Well, where did you feel the lightning? That's the that's the R rated.
00:30:07 Speaker_05
Yes. Well, of course, he had to tell us that there were a lot of men interested in Robin, like, Oh, look at me. And she I gave her these tingly feelings me. And the whole thing of and then we locked eyes. And then And then what happened?
00:30:26 Speaker_05
But this is their little thing that they do, you know, that this is their foreplay. Oh, yeah, they talk about just how hot they were for each other.
00:30:34 Speaker_06
Yeah, because Cody, she's telling the story, and she gets to the climax of the story. It's like, and then I felt my lightning bolt. And he is like, looking up towards the sky and like, pointing up to the sky, like, Thank you, Jesus.
00:30:47 Speaker_06
I mean, this is very dramatic.
00:30:51 Speaker_05
that God, you know, brought Robin to him. Yeah.
00:30:54 Speaker_06
Well, and also this story is a little bit different than the story that they've been telling in the past.
00:31:01 Speaker_05
I feel like it kind of matches up, doesn't it?
00:31:03 Speaker_06
Because what about that story about like they went, Mary and Cody went to some dance and Robin was there and Mary was talking to her. And then she told Cody, why don't you go ask her to dance? That's that's one of the stories I remember.
00:31:20 Speaker_05
Yeah, but I remember the cousin. I remember seeing each other at church. And I remember the cousin. So I felt like those two parts. I wonder if the dance was the third time they saw her. Psych legal pop will be back after these messages.
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Yeah, maybe that's when they cinch the deal.
00:32:57 Speaker_05
But it does sound a little bit like Cody saw her. Cody saw her, she saw him. There was some kind of spark that happened. You know, oh, I mean, look, Robin was young.
00:33:13 Speaker_06
She was cute. She was very cute. Yeah. And she knows how to play this game. She's been studying it. Yep. Whole life. She's been waiting, you know, for the right person to do this with. And she gets to be on TV. And, you know, gets to be part of this show.
00:33:31 Speaker_05
Well, I do think that all of this happened long before the show. I think that was I mean, I think she earnestly did want to join this family. Yeah, that's the show. But I think the show maybe made it a little more interesting, maybe.
00:33:45 Speaker_06
But like the show and her I'm not saying that. Yeah, that that that was the only thing, but I feel like that it they happened at around the same time.
00:33:54 Speaker_05
But I think what we're hearing now is, oh, the two of you, just like how everybody else meets in life and dates, right? Is you see someone across the crowded room, there's a spark, you maybe talk to each other, like, that's how it all works.
00:34:07 Speaker_05
That's how and hence why maybe the two of you are soulmates or whatever you want to call it, right? Versus these other women. Mm hmm. I don't know, it was just anyway, that I felt really uncomfortable. I'm like, the scene needs to end.
00:34:22 Speaker_06
I'm so I've never seen Robin this animated. And yeah, I mean, she really came to life. And so to Cody, like, yeah, we've been watching them being mopey, angry people. And that's just for the camera, apparently, because in real life, they are happy.
00:34:40 Speaker_05
Yeah, well, they have to pretend like they're not happy. They do. They I think they have to pretend. And I think Cody and I do believe that Cody's anger is real, because he knows he's he doesn't look good.
00:34:52 Speaker_05
And so that's why he has to reiterate how much he loves Robin, how much he loves connecting with her how she was so wanted, how much she wants him, and how wonderful and special their relationship is. He keeps doubling down on that over and over.
00:35:06 Speaker_05
It's like, Okay, Cody, Yes, someone likes you. Someone finds you attractive and wants to have sex with you. Like, congratulations. Yeah. Whoo, whoo. Happy for you. It's, it's, it's okay. You're good. Yeah, we done talking about those two. Come on now.
00:35:24 Speaker_05
Well, I think you're gonna come back around.
00:35:26 Speaker_06
Cody says, Do we need to do any cleanup on our relationship? Oh, God. Yeah. And what did she say? I mean, I have down here. She says, uh, I don't know. She's talking about how she wants to go to church because their church is not a safe place. I don't know.
00:35:48 Speaker_06
This was so much just back and forth gibberish. And then he talks again about his hair. Brigham Young had long hair and a beard and he says, give me a break. That's a real sore spot.
00:36:02 Speaker_05
But that's so weird. Do we need to clean up anything about our relationship? I mean, why? That's that is not I don't know. Someone please argue with me if this is how other couples talk to each other. But that's not like that isn't I have never said that.
00:36:15 Speaker_05
Steve Steve's never said that to me. It's just weird. Clean up. Clean up what? I don't know.
00:36:22 Speaker_06
Cody had a lot of, I feel like he prepped a lot of lines for this. He says, I want to know that God is my wingman and no one can take you away from me.
00:36:35 Speaker_05
Yes. Yeah. And we see, we saw that in the preview, when they were doing the show. And I remember thinking, Oh, God, is he that he's so worried that she's gonna go or leave or where is she going?
00:36:47 Speaker_06
And then he says that he had to get her that big old diamond ring so that you know, the guys would stay away from her and she starts flashing her ring and I'm like, I don't think that's the ring that she had on her wedding day.
00:37:01 Speaker_06
I don't know when she got that ring. It was pretty big. She got up for it. Make sure the men know clearly. Robin is taken. Yes. Maybe that and the TV show that they're on. might clue people in. And Cody, you probably don't need to go to church.
00:37:21 Speaker_06
Yeah, because people know she's not a single mother. Mm hmm. They're watching the show. Yeah. And Cody probably should stay away from church because she's just gonna embarrass everybody and make everybody feel uncomfortable. Yeah.
00:37:32 Speaker_05
Well, and also, guess what? Rings, churches, knight sword, if someone's gonna cheat, they're gonna cheat. Someone's gonna leave you, they're gonna leave you. That's just how it is. I don't think that's going to happen.
00:37:44 Speaker_06
No, no, not happy together.
00:37:47 Speaker_05
Yeah, but he is so insecure. It's like he's it's it's just it's it's it's very disconcerting to watch this narcissist. So insecure, you know, it's like, okay.
00:38:00 Speaker_05
Anyway, yeah, let's talk about probably the most awful engagement party I think I've ever ever. I'm sorry, Christine, this was a real dud of an event. It was, I mean, Hello, you and you guys didn't even try. I mean, Gordo's Gordo's tacos and beer.
00:38:22 Speaker_05
Yeah, which I can understand if you want to have something super casual tacos and beer, but like, I don't know. it just seemed way it just kind of seemed like the producer said, Okay, what are you guys gonna do? Yeah, we need we need more content.
00:38:39 Speaker_05
And they were like, Oh, okay, we'll have an engagement party.
00:38:42 Speaker_06
And then, well, and she says that the one of the purposes of this party is so that her kids and David's kids can mingle and get to know each other. Well, you've been saying that they're already. Yeah.
00:38:57 Speaker_06
meshing and getting along and loving this whole experience. And so I don't know if that I don't know what that means. Yeah, I think they're desperate for content, because, you know, every single episode at this point, it's just going to be
00:39:13 Speaker_06
leading up to their wedding. It's all going to be wedding related.
00:39:17 Speaker_05
So then why show us the wedding in the beginning of this year? If you if they must have planned this out, they knew they had all this content. So why not?
00:39:26 Speaker_05
Like, to me, it feels like the wedding should have then happened at the end of the season should be Christine's wedding.
00:39:34 Speaker_06
And I'm sure it will be I'm sure they will play it back not the full thing. But you know, I think they think we're gonna see a lot of it. Because that wedding special had a lot of stuff like leading up to it as well.
00:39:46 Speaker_06
Yeah, we might see some of that stuff again. I mean, they're gonna do a shortened version of it. But yeah, we're gonna see it again. I think that TLC did it because look, she was going to go and what did People Magazine pay her for?
00:40:02 Speaker_06
Yes, they knew she's going to go to People Magazine, get a bunch of money for this. It's going to be out there. We want some of that. We want a piece of that. Yeah, we had that wedding special that made them money for advertising and whatever.
00:40:17 Speaker_06
Christine's really she's really working this. I see all the time like on social media, all these paid ads for all kinds of stuff. I mean, she's really getting in there getting her money.
00:40:30 Speaker_05
Yeah, yeah. Well, she's finally free. She finally gets to keep all of it. Right. You know, it must be nice to be able to get the paycheck and just keep it.
00:40:38 Speaker_06
Yeah, must be nice. So Christine's got the whites off the shoulder. Hey, dress. And Janelle shows up in a hot pink dress. And everyone's like, Whoa, Janelle. I liked it. I thought she looked great. And yeah, Hunter is there.
00:40:59 Speaker_06
And Janelle came all the way from North Carolina for this. So she's going back tomorrow. But she has so they're flying her back and forth.
00:41:08 Speaker_05
Obviously, yeah, because she's not paying for that. I mean, yeah, I think Janelle showing up because I
00:41:15 Speaker_05
Honestly, if Janelle didn't show up to this party, have we had one Janelle storyline since she went over to Mary's and tried to convince her that they were going to get screwed over? I mean, that's the other thing we've seen.
00:41:26 Speaker_05
There's been very little of Janelle with storylines because she doesn't live out there anymore.
00:41:32 Speaker_06
Yeah, she's basically living in North Carolina. Maddie has had her baby, her third baby. We saw the baby at the wedding dress fitting, or showing, whatever that was. So she's back there helping her. She's not around. And that's the thing.
00:41:46 Speaker_06
Christine lives in Salt Lake. Janelle lives between Flagstaff and North Carolina. So yeah, they've got a
00:41:57 Speaker_05
This is the only choice they have. And who she Janelle's not going to film with Robin. She tried to film with Mary and Mary was, you know, and that was that. And so Christine's the only person she has and she hates she doesn't want to see Cody at all.
00:42:12 Speaker_05
Because every time she sees Cody, Cody tries to get back in with her.
00:42:17 Speaker_06
So, yeah, no, she's avoiding him. But yeah, so hunters there and all the girls.
00:42:23 Speaker_05
I just wrote I just wrote down I'm so bored. Um, but I do I do feel for you, Christine, because I to spill a lot. And I also do not wear white for that reason. If I do I choose to wear it when I don't have to eat.
00:42:41 Speaker_05
Because I too am someone that spills all the time. So I feel you.
00:42:46 Speaker_06
Yeah, we knew that was gonna happen when she kept talking about this, you know, yummy dipping sauce. I'm like, Oh, that sounds messy. Dipping a taco in a dipping sauce. I mean, taco is already messy. Yeah.
00:42:58 Speaker_06
And then you dip it in a sauce and try to get it to your mouth.
00:43:01 Speaker_05
Well, yeah. And what she's talking about those birria. Have you had those? Yeah. Shredded meat. So it's like very greasy shredded meat on a greasy tortilla and maybe it has cheese on it. Do you know what I mean?
00:43:13 Speaker_05
And you're going to take that and dip that into a sauce.
00:43:17 Speaker_06
It's a disaster waiting to happen. Yeah. But Janelle has a, you know, a Clyde pen. Yeah.
00:43:24 Speaker_05
She's got her. I feel like I should, I should get one of those. Get one of those and carry it with me.
00:43:30 Speaker_06
Mom used to, you know, well, she's notorious for spilling also. And at one point she had,
00:43:36 Speaker_06
She got so tired of it, she put together this kind of elaborate stain kit that she would carry around with her that had things in it for various kinds of stains, you know, it's a grease stain or like a red wine stain, you know, there's different things to do.
00:43:51 Speaker_06
So, yeah, it's relatable.
00:43:54 Speaker_05
Yeah, I just and then I wrote McKelsey is a lot. What did McKelsey do? I can't remember now. What was she doing at the park? There was something about it where she was it was a lot like she
00:44:03 Speaker_06
Well, this was super interesting where Christine says that basically, like, oh, so David is very much like McKelty. He loves to push buttons. She said, David and McKelty are so similar. It's like I'm marrying my daughter. So we're starting. Yeah.
00:44:21 Speaker_06
So I think now that David's more comfortable, we've seen him more. I guess this kind of goofy button pushing side of him is coming out because he's betting You know, he bets $5, Christine will get something on her white dress.
00:44:36 Speaker_06
I don't know, there were a few other things, you know, he, he's not as bad as McKelvey.
00:44:42 Speaker_05
No, I was gonna say, I don't see them as the same person. I think that he's a more mature version. And that's very typical.
00:44:48 Speaker_05
Listen, if I wore that white dress to a taco party, Steve would say the exact same thing to me, like, you're gonna spill something on that dress. I bet you anything you're gonna spill something. So I don't. And that's the thing.
00:44:59 Speaker_05
That's not what I, McKelty says, outrageous things, as a, you know, just to say them to see sort of how people are going to react. And I think she maybe wants people to think she's uber cool.
00:45:14 Speaker_05
So she says these things that really are really uncomfortable and weird. And you're kind of like, that's not cool.
00:45:21 Speaker_06
Yeah, like the at the dress shopping. you know, where she says that looks like a vagina dress, that whole thing in front of David's 92 year old mother in front of Annie and everybody was just like, yeah, and you know, it's not like you're 16.
00:45:38 Speaker_06
She's 20. Like late 20s. Yeah, you're a mother of three. Exactly. You're in your late 20s. Almost 30. You're a mother of three. Knock it off. Like, stop. Stop. If she were my daughter, I would, I would knock it off. Stop it.
00:45:59 Speaker_06
See, Christine is so like with all of her kids. She just excuses everything that they do. She's just like, Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, her kids are strange. Mm hmm. You know, the Aspen is the best. Mm hmm. And Isabel Isabel.
00:46:18 Speaker_06
And, you know, truly, she's still young, the jury's still out. She could, you know, end up being, you know, you never know.
00:46:27 Speaker_05
But I mean, yeah, no, I think they're a little more quirky. And I think that she didn't. I think that some of it's her and yeah, no, I mean, she's quirky. And you can see that very, it's very distinct with Janelle's kids versus her kids.
00:46:41 Speaker_05
Like Janelle's kids are very different. Oh, I just saw a photo the other day of Logan. I didn't realize how jacked.
00:46:50 Speaker_04
Yes.
00:46:51 Speaker_05
So hot buff and like, huge. Whoa, hello, Logan. No, he works out. Yeah, he does. Well, he doesn't have any kids. He's got more time. He's got free time. Yeah. All right. Is there anything more with this? God awful.
00:47:08 Speaker_05
The worst thing was just the worst thing I've ever witnessed. It was so boring.
00:47:13 Speaker_06
Yeah. Three tables with four people each table. Yeah. Oh, this is a point here. Okay. David doesn't like sharing food. And I don't either. What do you mean? Like, because the the Browns, they were like,
00:47:28 Speaker_06
eating off each other's plates, like eating off each other's plates.
00:47:32 Speaker_05
Yeah.
00:47:32 Speaker_06
Okay. So like, Hunter, like grab something off of someone's plate because he wanted to try it. And he's just like, I, he doesn't like to he's like, this family is always sharing food. He doesn't like it. He says, I've never shared food in my life.
00:47:49 Speaker_06
And I'm kind of with him. I, I don't like to share food. I don't like it when people want to I mean, if I offer it to you, fine, but I kind of like when people ask if they can have some of my food.
00:48:03 Speaker_05
Yeah, I know. I don't mind the communal thing. I just don't want people eating off my plate. Yeah. Well, that's what's happening here.
00:48:10 Speaker_06
They eat off each other's plates. It's not like sharing a meal. I'm talking about eating off each other's plates. Yeah. No, I'm with you. Yeah. I'm with you. And then Christine makes this comment that's interesting.
00:48:23 Speaker_06
She's like, because she's so used to having to do everything herself and Cody not really giving a shit about anything that has to do with her. And she's like, you know, David, he just wants to be involved with everything.
00:48:35 Speaker_06
And, you know, he wanted to be in on the planning the wedding. And it's like, well, yeah, that's normal. Mm hmm. You know, it's his wedding, too.
00:48:42 Speaker_06
And most, I mean, obviously, men usually don't care as much as the women do, but they will still want to have a saying it, but it just, you know, she's just continually amazed that David gives a shit.
00:48:54 Speaker_05
You know, and it's like, God, he comes home every day and asks me how I am. Yeah. What? Whoa. Wants to be intimate with me. Wants to, you know. Likes me. Wants to talk to me. Yeah. Yeah. Christine. Yeah. That's. Yeah.
00:49:10 Speaker_06
Oh, God. They have their picture cake and there's all this joking about, you know, they're eating each other's faces. Yeah. Whatever.
00:49:18 Speaker_05
Yeah, that was so boring. Okay, let's get some of Mary's stuff because Mary is going from Paraguay with her BFF to Vegas.
00:49:30 Speaker_06
Yes, and Jen hates Vegas, even though she used to live there because it's too hot. You don't blame her. Las Vegas in the summer is too hot. So I didn't realize this. Jen has known Mary since they lived in the rentals in Las Vegas.
00:49:52 Speaker_06
She's known her a long time.
00:49:54 Speaker_05
Did we not see her?
00:49:58 Speaker_06
I feel like we'd never saw her until the last, you know, year. And then Brandy, I'm not quite sure how long, um, how long she's known Brandy. But Mary did say that Brandy, and her husband used to double date with her and Cody all the time.
00:50:20 Speaker_06
And Cody helps them move one time, of course, of course, he helped them. He loves to move. But But you know what, if you agree to help someone move, you know them pretty well. Yeah, you're friends. Yeah, you're pretty good friends.
00:50:33 Speaker_06
Um, and Cody's trying to say, I, Brandi doesn't know me. She doesn't know. I helped her move once. It's like, yeah, Cody, that's a big deal. Yeah. He's like, yeah, now Mary doesn't even need to trash talk anymore. She got friends trash talking me.
00:50:50 Speaker_05
Well, but the other part of it, too, is, yeah, Cody, they, they know you to the extent that they know you, and they are sharing their opinion of you, because you give your opinions about everybody else. And about how they're, do you know what I mean?
00:51:04 Speaker_05
It's a little bit like, yeah, they have the right to their opinion. And you can say, I don't agree. Or
00:51:11 Speaker_06
Okay, you know, yeah, why is it okay for him to go on TV and say what he thinks about everybody else, but they can't? Yeah.
00:51:17 Speaker_05
And he acts like these people are strangers. Yeah.
00:51:23 Speaker_06
Anyway, so we Yeah, so they are pretty much just sitting around dishing about, but they are sitting around talking about Cody, Cody, talking about Mary's experience, not just
00:51:38 Speaker_05
And I'm sorry, but if you have a good friend, and they just ended their marriage of 33 years, this is what you're going to be talking about all the time. Like when you get together, you're going to sit around and talk about all of this stuff.
00:51:51 Speaker_05
You're going to talk about him, you're going to talk about like what happened, you're going to go in circles, like all of this stuff they've been talking about. It's like very common.
00:51:58 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's normal. Yeah, yeah. And this was very interesting. Mary said that within a week of the spiritual release, Cody asks her, why did you do it so fast? Do you have a guy on the side waiting? Interesting. So that's, yeah.
00:52:17 Speaker_06
Why do you, why do you care, Cody?
00:52:19 Speaker_05
Apparently you still do care. Well, yeah, I think it's that. And it's also maybe it's the financial piece to like, oh, wait, wait, you know, I thought I had a couple months here to try to get my ducks in a row.
00:52:32 Speaker_05
Like, oh, no, you're doing this right now.
00:52:34 Speaker_06
You're moving on. Yeah. Yeah, and she says, well, you said you didn't want to be married. So what was I supposed to do?
00:52:43 Speaker_05
Well, and we also learned this in that interview, the interview that we did about abandonment. And this is why Cody was so pissed. Because I think that what he was really pissed about was that she went to the elders. You know, I think
00:52:54 Speaker_05
I think at that point he was ready for her to be done because he was done with her, but it was the elders and it was the fact that she made him look bad in front of those elders, which also tells you that even though he is pushing up against this religion and the AUB, he still cares.
00:53:11 Speaker_05
Because if you care what those leaders think of you and you care that you were abandoned, because apparently a man abandoning a family is like considered the worst thing. The worst thing you can do.
00:53:20 Speaker_05
This is the only thing a man can do wrong, is abandon a family. He can emotionally and mentally, sexually, you know, financially abandon a family, but he can't officially abandon them. You know, you can do it all these other ways.
00:53:35 Speaker_05
But once you go to the church leaders, yeah. And so that shows me like you still care. You still care what these people think of you.
00:53:43 Speaker_06
Yeah, no, he Cody very much cares what everybody thinks. And she talks about how the legal divorce was really a mind game.
00:53:55 Speaker_06
You know, and then, you know, she still considered herself spiritually married, because I guess they did it both legal and spiritual. together. I don't know how that works. Yeah.
00:54:08 Speaker_06
And then she, she texts him back and basically says, you know, I've released you, you know, I'm on my own. I've released you from any responsibility for me or anything. And I don't know, did he, I don't think, did he respond to that? I don't think so.
00:54:28 Speaker_05
Well, yeah, we hear Brandy talks about how, you know, she always saw that he favored Robin. Like, that's what she witnessed. Again, she has the right to say that that's what she saw. And then they get into this whole COVID thing about,
00:54:44 Speaker_05
I guess I didn't really understand or drill down what was going on here because during COVID, Cody had all these rules and I didn't realize that the entire time he was
00:55:00 Speaker_05
he had this list of rules and that Mary was actually following all of them, but he still wouldn't go to her house. Like he still wasn't seeing her.
00:55:09 Speaker_05
And, um, and that she was talking about how she was constantly calling and checking in on them, like trying to build this relationship and that Robin had no time. Yeah. Like zip zero.
00:55:22 Speaker_05
And this is, I mean, this is very much, they're like highlighting her hypocrisy, just how there's this, Why are you crying about this? You know, you're bawling about this end of this relationship.
00:55:36 Speaker_05
You're so sad that Mary's leaving town, but you don't even want to talk to her.
00:55:41 Speaker_06
Yeah, I know. Well, they did let her come over that one year for Thanksgiving. She was following the rules. So after a year of her following the rules, they find her over a bone. Yeah, let her come over for Thanksgiving.
00:55:53 Speaker_06
She brought her Rice Krispie Turkey.
00:55:56 Speaker_05
Well, and then Mary talks about how she just stopped reaching out, which is exactly what I would do.
00:56:01 Speaker_05
I mean, anybody, anybody with any kind of level of self worth would be like, what, if this person doesn't care about me, then why am I gonna invest any time calling you and trying to, you know, let me, let me find, let me find, you know,
00:56:19 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, we've, we've been through this like so many times. And yeah, I, Mary, I hope this is the last episode that Mary visits with friends.
00:56:34 Speaker_05
Yes.
00:56:36 Speaker_06
Hopefully this is her closure, that this is her closure trip. She went to the cul-de-sac. I hope this is closure because she needs to move on. Yeah, we need to all move on. We know, we know, we know, we saw it, we watched it. Cody is an asshole.
00:56:53 Speaker_06
Yeah, they bring up how Robin didn't even go to Bonnie's funeral. And of course, Rob has some half assed excuse about again, they can't both leave and quarantine and who's going to take care of the kids and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
00:57:11 Speaker_06
And she says that she stayed so long because of her commitment. And this goes back to the strong religious indoctrination. She really committed. She really believed that she was committing to this for life and into eternity.
00:57:27 Speaker_05
And I also think that Cody was breadcrumbing her the entire time. I think the moment it felt like she might break away, I think he was breadcrumb, giving her a few breadcrumbs and that was enough. And then she kind of, okay, yes.
00:57:43 Speaker_05
And maybe he brought up the religious thing. Maybe he would say like, Mary, we're in this together, like, yeah, eternity and blah, blah, blah, blah. about, you know, let's do this, all of that kind of stuff. I bet you anything.
00:57:53 Speaker_05
And I think that's what we're not seeing.
00:57:55 Speaker_06
Yeah, the list, the list, the list that he knew she could never complete. It was like, you just kept adding things to list God, I hope. I do hope she does at least tell us a few things that were on that list.
00:58:07 Speaker_05
Oh, I know, please, I need the list. And we need the whatever that infamous text chain of the holiday Christmas exchange from a couple years ago. We need that one too with the the kids.
00:58:20 Speaker_06
Yeah. And then this was, you know, the the cherry on the top was that the breakup conversation on the property. Oh God. Where Robin had to leave. She was just sobbing and she had to leave. And Cody said that it was so hard on Robin. Poor girl.
00:58:40 Speaker_06
That whole talk just wrecked her. Oh my gosh. I mean, poor Robin. Yes. must have been so hard to watch Mary get just dumped on, abandoned, humiliated.
00:58:57 Speaker_05
Well, and then they they were laughing about how the next conversation Cody and Mary had together. The you know, he said, Well, I feel like I owe you a conversation without Robin. And she's like, Yeah, you do. And then he's like, Oh, poor girl.
00:59:11 Speaker_05
That really wrecked her. And I guess at the time, I didn't realize like how maybe we did talk about it, like how incredibly insulting that is. Like he's just he cares, you know, it's you're breaking up with Mary and he's more concerned about Robin.
00:59:24 Speaker_06
Well, I think this is the first time I've heard of this that he had he said poor girl. Yeah, because they were talking about that conversation with her. He said that I think in front of Rebecca and Nathan, but he repeated it on the couch.
00:59:41 Speaker_06
I think he told Rebecca and Nathan that it was very hard on Robin and then in the couch interview, that's where he says, poor girl, that whole talk just wrecked.
00:59:51 Speaker_05
No, he said that to her. They marry and Mary and Cody saw each other. They're in the same room. And they have that second conversation. He's wearing his favorite tan, light tan leather jacket. Right. That's right.
01:00:03 Speaker_05
And he says that and she and you see Mary, she gives him a look like, Oh, really? Interesting. Yeah, I mean, and that's so I mean, this is the part where I just feel for Mary, because that's so insulting.
01:00:17 Speaker_05
And again, I think people do this kind of stuff and don't realize that it's insulting again, you know, but it just kind of shows you this mentality of how she's been treated this whole time.
01:00:28 Speaker_05
And that that yes, of course, your your self esteem is probably very low right now, you don't feel great, because And actually on our Thursday show this week, we are going to be talking about trad wives.
01:00:45 Speaker_05
But something really interesting, we were both listening to the, We Can Do Hard Things, Glennon Doyle's podcast, and they, what's the woman's name? Tia Loving? Tia Loving.
01:00:56 Speaker_05
But one of the things that she said on that that I thought was so interesting was, you could never make yourself small enough. You could never get to that place of perfection. or that place of, okay, you did everything.
01:01:12 Speaker_05
Like there was, it was, you could never make yourself small enough. You could never make yourself that piece of it.
01:01:17 Speaker_05
And I think about Mary and just how, how much she must've been trying to make herself smaller and smaller, more and more and more and how painful it is now to realize, oh, wow.
01:01:29 Speaker_06
I lost my somewhere and she never had a chance. No, you know, it was never going to didn't matter what lists, how many lists she accomplished. She didn't, it was never going to happen. Yeah.
01:01:40 Speaker_06
And that's why she talks about how, you know, obviously she feels like she's, Oh, you know, she's 52 or whatever. She says, feels like she's wasted, like, yeah, all these years. Yeah, it's just that's sad. It's a terrible feeling.
01:01:54 Speaker_05
Yeah. And the religion also makes women who are older, right? Once you're out of the childbearing years as a woman, you're no longer, you know, needed so much. You're not as you're not.
01:02:05 Speaker_06
So, well, and what Corey and Melanie were saying is that because the the sole purpose of have well, The sole purpose of having sex is for procreation. Okay, so if you can no longer procreate, There's no reason for you to be having sex.
01:02:26 Speaker_06
And so it's an excuse that these men use why there's no longer an intimate marriage. And he did that to Christine and Mary. Just stopped having sex with them. Maybe not Janelle though. Yeah, maybe not Janelle.
01:02:39 Speaker_05
I'm not sure. And can Robin really have more children? I mean, how old is she? She's a few years younger than that. She's 47 or something. Yeah, I mean, please.
01:02:49 Speaker_06
Robin has her own special set of rules, but yeah, going back to the doctrine of the AUB, Like they were saying that that was perfectly normal and acceptable.
01:02:59 Speaker_06
That if a wife couldn't have any more children, you didn't need to have sex with her, you still had to take care of her.
01:03:07 Speaker_05
But you don't have to visit her or talk to her or do anything, right?
01:03:10 Speaker_06
You don't have to have an intimate marriage. And remember Christine kept saying intimate marriage, intimate marriage. And I kept, I'm like, well, what is she talking about exactly? Is it just sex? I think it's the whole thing. Yeah.
01:03:22 Speaker_06
Which is why he just went over to her house you know, crashed, got up in the morning, ate breakfast and left.
01:03:28 Speaker_05
Yeah. Yeah. And I wonder if it also means like, you know, because there's different parts of intimacy, there's the sex part. And then there's also like, are they hugging? Are they kissing? Are they you know what I mean?
01:03:38 Speaker_06
Like, is all of that gone to you don't get confiding, confide, confiding in people having someone listen to you. And even Christine's kids say one of the things they say about David is like,
01:03:49 Speaker_06
we're not used to seeing our mother being physically affectionate with anyone. Not even our dad. They all said that. Yeah, no, he was not being affectionate with her. He was not listening to her. And, you know, being a supportive partner, any of it. Yeah.
01:04:12 Speaker_06
So and then finally, we have to go look at the fucking Yeah, outside of the cold the second one. I don't know if it's the camera angle or what but you know, they used to always do those like overhead shots. It looked much bigger.
01:04:30 Speaker_06
Like through the gate, it looked like it was a very short distance from the gate to the houses. Like that cul-de-sac, you know, cement area was not that big.
01:04:41 Speaker_05
But was their little section gated? Or I thought it was a whole gated community. And then they would drive through the gates and go over to where they are. Oh, so just their little four houses were gated. Yes.
01:04:57 Speaker_06
Wow. Yeah. And then Robin says she wonders if they would still be together if they never left the cul-de-sac, which is a very interesting question, but it's like, but Robin, why are you even saying that? You're the one who wanted to leave.
01:05:12 Speaker_05
Again, Robin says the things that she feels like, this is what I need to say to seem like a nice person and for people to like me. So I'm going to continue to say these things versus just, you know, being yourself. But she knows she can't be herself.
01:05:28 Speaker_05
She knows she can't be. And if she's so wrapped up in all this, you know, religious stuff, and we talked about this in the interview, there's this level of who you truly are versus what you show the world.
01:05:41 Speaker_05
And in those contexts, you are not supposed to be authentic in the world. You're supposed to put on an act. And so again, I think this is Robin, and I think Cody too.
01:05:52 Speaker_06
Yeah, I think we can't, we can't take anything she says as being serious. Oh, well, what an episode. What an episode. And you know, I felt, I felt badly at the end when Jen's kids, they were all sitting around the... Oh, Brandy.
01:06:10 Speaker_06
Brandy's kids sitting around the kitchen island and Mary's brought ice cream and this and that. Mary is joking about how she would choose Brandy as a sister wife over Jen. And she's kind of joking with Brandy's husband.
01:06:21 Speaker_06
And the kids had these looks on their faces like, what the fuck? I was like, Mary, time and place. These poor kids, they're just like,
01:06:32 Speaker_05
Well, I also wonder if they're constantly like, Oh, God, are you constantly going to compare everything we do to like, well, in the polygamy world? Yeah, this would happen, or this would happen, or that would happen.
01:06:43 Speaker_05
You know, I think that's the other part with Mary, that's interesting to watch her. And I do it to like, I'll laugh about something that maybe is a little painful, but she does. She definitely has this kind of, you know, I'm going to make jokes.
01:07:00 Speaker_05
And then the whole thing of like, well, I'm over it. I've seen the thing. Let's go. I'm out of here kind of thing, like stomping away from the gates. It's like, okay, like, we know you're over this. You don't have to do this act for us.
01:07:12 Speaker_05
But there's that's a lot of like, I think what she feels like she has to do. I don't know. Yeah, I find it really irritating. And I wonder if those friends do too.
01:07:21 Speaker_06
Probably, they're probably so sick of this.
01:07:23 Speaker_05
Yeah.
01:07:23 Speaker_06
Yeah, just want her to move on, start dating something.
01:07:29 Speaker_05
All right, well, wrapping it up. So thank you so much for joining us. We are here every Monday and Thursday. Monday is Our Sister Wives. And as I mentioned, Thursday, we usually do some other topic or maybe a documentary.
01:07:45 Speaker_05
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01:08:01 Speaker_05
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01:08:16 Speaker_05
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