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Episode: Sister Wives Season 19 Episode 12: Put Your House in Order

Author: Tess & Brooke Brigham
Duration: 01:31:15

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In this episode Tess is joined by Amye and Amanda from "Little Miss Recap" to discuss this week's episode. As the deadline to pay off Coyote Pass looms, tensions rise over how the family will divide the property. Meri takes a Worthy Up solo trip to England. Christine and Janelle

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00:00:02 Speaker_03
Hello and welcome back to the Psych Legal Pop podcast. This is a podcast where we talk about popular culture through the lens of an attorney and a therapist.

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I'm therapist Tess Brigham and Brooke would normally be here and say she's the attorney, but because of the holiday, Brooke is out and I did a crossover with Little Miss Recap with Amy and Amanda.

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So this is, we're covering Sister Wives season 19, episode 12, Put Your House in Order. I think we talked longer than the episode. We talked a little bit about JonBenet at the end and we get into a lot of different stuff.

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So it's a really fun episode and I'm excited to have you all listen to it. If you very quickly if you enjoy our podcast, Psych Legal Pop, please subscribe. Give us a five star rating and review.

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And the same for Little Miss recap, you can find Little Miss recap on social media, Little Miss recap has a Patreon, please go check that out. I'll have it all in the show notes as well. And yeah, enjoy the show. Bye.

00:01:20 Speaker_05
Hey guys, it's Amy. I'm here with Amanda and Tess from Psych Legal Pop. Hi, everyone. Hi, everyone. Hello. So happy to be here. Yes. Tess, if you'll give us a minute, Amanda and I need to do a quick apology tour. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Or a clarification.

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Because we have been read for filth. We have had people rage quit our Patreon saying I am not, I'm not Robin and Cody Stan podcast. We're like, that's not us.

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Yes.

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He's a fucking monster. I've got to hear about this.

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Okay.

00:01:52 Speaker_05
So Amanda, and I need to clarify that even though and Tess, I listened to you and your sister Brooke talk about this on your podcast last week, and you agreed that Cody, you don't think that he had, like, you know, good motives in his crying, but you agreed that he was really feeling an emotion.

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Correct?

00:02:12 Speaker_03
Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can't criticize Robin for not having tears. I mean, those were real tears. Yeah, they were coming from somewhere. Right.

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But let's clarify, like, I believe he's upset because he's a narcissist. Yeah. And he his ego is bruised. And he is crying about himself. Not about Mary. No, not about anybody else. This is all about Cody.

00:02:35 Speaker_04
the framework of his whole family, and which is feeding his narcissism constantly. He's the one who said, I'm a polygamist. It's all ego, baby. Like, that's all he is, has all crumbled down. And he's pissed about it. And he's sad about it.

00:02:49 Speaker_04
Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck about anybody other than Robin.

00:02:52 Speaker_05
So again, and I say this a lot, it is the official position of Wilma's Recap that Cody Brown is an asshole.

00:02:58 Speaker_03
Yes. So people thought that you guys were pro because I listened to that episode. And I didn't get that at all.

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and Cody, they thought we were manipulated. And we fell for Cody's.

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Some people felt like Cody was fake crying. And that's an argument that can be made. Totally. Right. But just because it was fake doesn't mean we don't think it was serving a narcissist. Yeah, correct.

00:03:24 Speaker_04
That's a good way of saying. Yeah, yeah.

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Yes.

00:03:26 Speaker_04
No, he doesn't have he doesn't have real remorse over anything at all. And he didn't be trying to fix it.

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And he could give a shit about Mary. The only reason he's into Mary now is because Mary's not lashing out at him in anger or shit-talking him or, you know, part of the gasp mill.

00:03:44 Speaker_04
And that's it. And she only has one child and he has no relationship with that child because I don't think he cares to, given who that child is. So that's my guess. Yeah, I don't know.

00:03:54 Speaker_05
So we just, we just had to clear those things up. Sorry. All right. I'm with you. So Tess is joining us today because Brooke is indisposed.

00:04:07 Speaker_03
Yeah, she's off enjoying her Thanksgiving with my niece, her daughter Layla. She's not moving to Parowan? No, she's not moving to Parowan. Layla just became a soul cycle instructor. Oh, cool. Yeah. And so she has all these crappy shifts.

00:04:22 Speaker_03
And that means these soul cyclers, they ride on Thanksgiving. They ride the day after. I was like, she has to work all those days? It's open?

00:04:33 Speaker_04
I went to one soul cycle class once and this was a period where I was in really good shape. fucking kicked my ass. Soul cycle.

00:04:44 Speaker_03
It's like it's a spin class. Yeah, it's been kind of Yeah, but it sort of started that whole spin trend peloton, right? A little bit of that.

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And it was the first like, like franchisee. Yeah, but it was real big in New York. And there's like dancing involved. And you're moving around. First of all, I thought it was gonna flip off the bike or flip the entire bike over. Yeah.

00:05:05 Speaker_04
Yeah, because I'm not that balanced.

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No, the first time I did it, my feet went numb. I told the guy, I'm like, I gotta just take my shoes out. I rented the shoes. I'm like, I'm just leaving them here. I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. But yeah, it's, um, it is really, really hard.

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And it's a little culty in its own weird ways. But Layla is very, you know, she's got a good head on her shoulders. She knows what it is. But, you know, it's it's a lot of work.

00:05:27 Speaker_03
It's a tremendous amount of work what they require of you to get there to do all of it. So but when you love it, you love it. Like she loves the community. And, you know, LA is a big place.

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And so I'm happy for her that she's, she's still in college, but like she's making friends, you know, that's her world. Just tell her to stay away from Rama.

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That's all I'm going to say. Stay far away from Rama. What is that? That's the cult, the Breath of Fire cult. Oh, okay. Actually, I think they've closed their New York or their LA studio.

00:05:57 Speaker_04
I think the only one they have is in New York and like Zurich or some other place in Europe or something.

00:06:02 Speaker_05
By the way, at the end of today's episode, Tess and I need to have a JonBenét minute. Oh, okay. Do you have a different feeling about JonBenet? No, but I listen to your thing and I've been down the rabbit hole, well for years, but today in particular.

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Okay. I've chosen not to listen until we record because I don't want to be... I listen to everything that says JonBenet in the Apple catalog. If it says JonBenet, I'm listening to it. Fair. Completely fair. All right. Are we ready to go to? Yeah.

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Where are we starting? Are we ready to go to Parowan? Oh, no, we're not starting anywhere. We're picking up right where we left off. Yes, we are.

00:06:41 Speaker_06
We're still here?

00:06:43 Speaker_05
Sister Wives, Season 19, Episode 12, Put Your House in Order. That's it. Is that a Bible quote? I don't know. So we pick up on Cody sobbing in Paraguay, and he is legit like, I hear the schnitzer, like he's got snot in his nose. It is real.

00:07:05 Speaker_05
And I wrote, Tess, what did you think of this? of the crying.

00:07:09 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, I, I, you cannot fake tears like that. I mean, and I don't think Cody's that great of an actor. I really don't. So I do think it's genuine. And I agree with exactly what you're saying, which is do I think it's because he longs for Mary? No.

00:07:26 Speaker_03
But do I think that it's it's all of it. It's being embarrassed. It's his ego. It's it's everything. It's everything all at once. And I also think that

00:07:36 Speaker_03
you know, what we saw with Christine, he was, you know, he's made these comments many times, which is we just saw all anger, all we saw was anger with him. That was anger, anger, anger.

00:07:46 Speaker_03
And I feel like if we maybe he could have gotten there with Christine at some point, if things had been different of crying and sobbing. But Cody's about Cody, he has always been about Cody and about always health.

00:07:59 Speaker_03
And the fact that he thinks that his family doesn't want to be around him because of Robin is delusional. That's not it.

00:08:07 Speaker_05
And yeah, also to like, there is no accountability here. He's not crying because he feels he has failed. He is crying because he is the victim of something. Correct, right? Like this has happened to me. These people did this to me. He's not crying.

00:08:25 Speaker_05
Like I, I cried when I got divorced, because my marriage failed. And I felt like I failed. Right. And even though, you know, objectively, neither one of us failed, you still feel that way, because you're human.

00:08:39 Speaker_05
Cody's not feeling that Cody is feeling like these people have done this to me. That's my opinion.

00:08:43 Speaker_04
I agree. And it was interesting this time because I wasn't taking notes. So I was able to do the scanning that you do all over. Yeah, the look on Nathan's face was like, Oh, God, get me out of here.

00:08:55 Speaker_03
Was that it? I think Nathan didn't want to cry on camera. So you think Nathan was tearing up? Yes, I do. I think he was crying. Jen, we saw Jen kind of like wipe a tear away.

00:09:06 Speaker_05
Well, no one cries alone in my presence.

00:09:08 Speaker_03
So I may have started if I was there. I don't know. I do too. I mean, I don't know. And I think I think it was oddly uncomfortable for Jen and Nathan. I mean, I think they were feeling I think they were feeling a lot of things too.

00:09:21 Speaker_04
I can't believe I have to be here for this.

00:09:24 Speaker_03
Yeah. And Nathan is her brother in law. I think he feels some vested interest in them staying together. Jen's the only one that seems to know what the hell's going on half the time.

00:09:35 Speaker_05
Jen is a fucking champ.

00:09:37 Speaker_03
We now have Jen talking heads. I am here for this all the time. We need we need that's what we need. We need an objective person from the outside. to look at all this and tell us what's going on, who has actually been there. That's the thing.

00:09:51 Speaker_03
She has been there and been watching it.

00:09:53 Speaker_05
We also need Jen. I've only gotten through one line of my summary. We also need Jen to be the Mary translator to help us to tolerate Mary and understand Mary. I'll take all the Mary you're going to give me if it's through the lens of Jen.

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You know what I mean? I don't need a lot of Mary herself. Yeah. So Cody says to Mary, thanks for being cool. And she goes, Yeah, me too. Or Yeah, you too, or something like that. And he goes, guess we can be best friends now.

00:10:19 Speaker_05
But you have to get in line between this guy and Jen goes, Oh, no, no, no, no. She's not taking any applications anymore. Thank you very much.

00:10:29 Speaker_05
So now Cody on the couch says, this moment with Mary is me moving from the anger to just this moment of grief and trying to be safe in it and sit in it and own it and feel it and begin healing. Why is he so verbose about everything?

00:10:48 Speaker_05
Why does he just say, this was me beginning my healing process with Mary?

00:10:53 Speaker_04
Done. Because he has to stretch out everything he says because he's the most important thing in the world. That's true. He's the most important thing in the room, and so he can have 19,000 words to express what you and I might express in three.

00:11:08 Speaker_05
Outside, they're walking down the steps and Nathan goes, nice of you to take the emotional ex-lax.

00:11:17 Speaker_04
I've had a week and I don't want emotional. No, no.

00:11:21 Speaker_05
And Cody says it's more like permission to move on. Now Cody on the couch says, we'll have a friendship I hope. But this right here is the end of this family right here and right now.

00:11:33 Speaker_05
And he says so this crying didn't just confuse Mary, Nathan was confused too. And he always makes when Cody describes things that happen with his bros. It's always like so weird and sacred. Yeah, right. It's really uncomfortable.

00:11:49 Speaker_03
It's really, we'll talk about this at the end. And I he said man trip and I was about to write down man trip like a joke. He said, Yeah, you are the cliche. You are the cliche.

00:12:02 Speaker_05
It has to be like this. He's like, well, we drove away. Nathan put his hand on me and said, Brother, Uh, what's going on here? It's like, what? Why are you talking to each other this way?

00:12:14 Speaker_05
Like, Amanda, if this was you and I, you would just be like, wow, what was that about? Right? Yeah. Are you okay? Are you good? That's it.

00:12:21 Speaker_04
That's it. I just wrote you're an idiot. I would know what you would feel because if you were not okay, you'd be sobbing. True. Yeah, true.

00:12:29 Speaker_05
Tess is a crier too, right, Tess? Oh, God, yeah. I'm a terrible crier. I was watching John Bonet sobbing yesterday. Really? Yeah. When John was talking at the end about Patsy dying, I was crying. Oh, yeah.

00:12:42 Speaker_03
I mean, that's a very tragic story. And it's a very, I mean, you see John Ramsey, not to go off here, but you think about someone like this, like, God, two of your five children are gone. I know. Yeah. It's a little bit like Biden. You know what I mean?

00:12:53 Speaker_03
When you look at them, you go, you know, Whatever criticism you have about who this person is, that's a lot to go through in a lifetime. Did Cody have a tough life? No.

00:13:04 Speaker_04
Actually, I think he did. I think his father was a nightmare. Yeah, which is why I think he's probably a night.

00:13:09 Speaker_03
I think that farm because Brooke talked once because she was she went down some rabbit holes. She watched these videos from a cousin, Ben Brown. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so it sounds like the place was a nightmare. I think dad was a nightmare.

00:13:23 Speaker_03
And I think that he's Yeah. I don't think he's very happy. And I think, yeah, he wants all the kids to come around and maybe do what he did with his father, which is kiss the ring. And they're not willing to.

00:13:34 Speaker_05
And now Cody is saying, I'm not questioning this. I know that I can't be married to Mary. But we had a great memory. Okay, so that is on record now. Yeah, you loved her and you had a great experience. Done. Well, let's never change that again.

00:13:52 Speaker_04
Because five minutes from now, you know, five minutes from now, he's gonna be like, I never liked her. You don't know the toll that five vasectomies has on a person.

00:14:04 Speaker_05
So now Jen hugs Mary and she's like, are you okay? And I wrote, Mary has a glow up in these new confessionals.

00:14:11 Speaker_03
Oh, she looks fantastic. Yeah. So do we? I mean, Brooke and I try not to talk about people's bodies. But do we think she's using some Mozambics? Or what do we think is going on here?

00:14:21 Speaker_05
She definitely is on a health journey of some kind. Let's just say that. She needs to lay off the tanner, though. Or get out of the sun, if that's what that is. Because you're going to get skin cancer.

00:14:35 Speaker_04
I'm a lady of a certain age. I'm going to a VO5 hot oil treatment with a little cup that we would do. She could use that very much. But she's fantastic. And she's feeling herself.

00:14:45 Speaker_03
Which is good. I'm happy for her. I really am. Listen, I wouldn't be Mary's friend. I think she's like kind of a dork. No, I wouldn't hang out with her. But I am happy that she's feeling like she's happy. Yeah, me too.

00:15:01 Speaker_05
So Mary is on the verge of tears. Jen is like, Are you okay? And Jen says, you know, that was unexpected. And it was. Yeah. And Mary on the couch says you are saying things like you never loved me.

00:15:14 Speaker_05
But now you're sobbing and saying we had something special. Which is it? I'm here for this Mary. Now Jen says this has been eight years coming for you, Mary, but he clearly hasn't been dealing with it.

00:15:29 Speaker_05
And Jen on the couch says, I met the family in Vegas, and I was there a lot. And Cody absolutely had favorites and spent the majority of his time at Robbins. I saw it and my husband saw it.

00:15:45 Speaker_04
Good for you, girl. Thank you very much. We all knew it to be true. But now a neutral third party and fourth party of her husband, who, I mean, obviously, Jen has an agenda here. She's Mary's best friend. She's always gonna be Team Mary.

00:15:59 Speaker_04
But to go, this wasn't made up by any of these wives. This was what happened.

00:16:05 Speaker_05
Listen, I think get a deposition, put these motherfuckers on a subpoena. Just, you know, testify, they they're not allowed to plead the fifth. Let's get it done.

00:16:18 Speaker_03
Yeah. Don't you think I feel like we are finally these people are finally telling us the truth, the truth that we've known that we've been watching. We have been Jen this whole time, like watching, watching, watching. And they've made us feel like

00:16:30 Speaker_03
No, no, no, you're crazy. And now it's like, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes.

00:16:35 Speaker_04
Test, would you say they were gaslighting us?

00:16:37 Speaker_03
Yes.

00:16:40 Speaker_04
Do you feel safe now?

00:16:43 Speaker_03
safer now? And listen, I and and why they did what they did. I don't again, because I tend to sort of, I'm always able to give people the benefit of the doubt.

00:16:52 Speaker_03
But I, I do feel like a lot of it was wrapped up in the fact they felt like they couldn't be honest with the audience with Yeah, people about what's going on, because they had this was their livelihood.

00:17:01 Speaker_03
I mean, this was when Jen said it wasn't just one thing. She's right. You know, that's it. They had an image to protect.

00:17:07 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:17:08 Speaker_03
And marriages don't end just because of one thing. You know, people, someone might have an affair, but it's never about the affair. It's about all the things that led up to this person having the affair, right? Correct.

00:17:17 Speaker_03
So it's, that's the thing is, is that it isn't just one thing. It's so it's been so layered. And it's nice to finally see that they're entering into this new phase of like, we don't have to lie, we're not going to lie anymore.

00:17:31 Speaker_03
And again, I think it's because of this religion and the fact that they were sort of forced to lie a lot. Yeah, they got very used to lying. And the farther they've gotten away from all of that, the more they're like, Oh, we can be authentic.

00:17:41 Speaker_05
Well, and I think too, let's go back to my queen and the fight. She pulled that fuck you out pretty quick with Cody has been said before, that has been uttered many times between them.

00:17:53 Speaker_04
That was not the band a ripping off of fuck you.

00:17:56 Speaker_05
She wasn't like, you. Real right at the like she said it a million times. So Jen says you've had time to mourn this and he has it. Mary says I still am morning and Jen's like no, no, no, no, no. Not going back. And Mary says, I'm not running back to him.

00:18:16 Speaker_05
Good, Mary, because that's not an option. Yeah. But you know, when you have a split, you question like, did I do the right thing? And she says, it's easy.

00:18:24 Speaker_05
It would be easier if he was mean and a jerk to which I say Jen should have like, popped in the VHS tape of last season.

00:18:31 Speaker_04
Uh huh. And just talking head where he's like, I hate Mary. I never liked her. I hate her. She's ugly. She's stupid. She's fat. She's gross. Like everything. We want her to live in the barndominium.

00:18:42 Speaker_05
Yes. in the barn with my trash and my lawnmower. Jen now in her confessional says, I don't think it was one thing that broke up the family, but Flagstaff really divided them. And then COVID was the final straw.

00:19:01 Speaker_05
And she says, Mary moved to Arizona to continue to try, but seeing him and she says fell. So she's really got that accent down. Seeing him fell. And she said that was the end for Mary.

00:19:14 Speaker_05
And the majority of the responsibility in polygamy lies on the husband. So whose fault is this?

00:19:21 Speaker_03
Yeah. No, she summed it up perfectly. She basically said he married four women. It was his job to figure out how do you make? How do you do? You know, how do you make these four women each feel special and individual and loved? And yeah, he failed.

00:19:35 Speaker_05
So Mary and Jen tell the camera, like, basically, they're in a confessional together now. And Jen is like, he can fuck right off. I'm walking you down the aisle.

00:19:46 Speaker_04
Yeah, Jen does not want her person her position as best friend usurped in any way.

00:19:52 Speaker_05
Listen, Jen, like all of us has earned this.

00:19:55 Speaker_04
Yeah, she has. She really has. Yeah, I mean, she's a good friend. Like a goofball and a little bit of a strange weirdo. I don't need to be her friend. But she is loyal. She is dedicated. I agree. She's got Mary's back every time like

00:20:10 Speaker_04
We should all have such a good best friend.

00:20:12 Speaker_05
I agree. Yeah. So now we're going to scoot on over to Christine's where Savannah's graduating and they're having a party.

00:20:19 Speaker_04
Okay, one question. Why are we having this party party in Salt Lake? I don't know. I don't know what's happening here.

00:20:27 Speaker_03
She lives in Flagstaff. I think Janelle didn't want to have to throw a party. She was like, so I don't have to throw it. Great.

00:20:37 Speaker_05
Maybe Janelle did not want any chance of Cody and show Savannah to want Cody to come. I don't know. But Janelle on the couch says we've always had flash mobs. for for these graduation parties. Oh, God, we saw one.

00:20:56 Speaker_03
We saw we've seen more than one flashback.

00:20:58 Speaker_05
Yeah, there's been Yeah, there's been a few over the years. Yeah, unfortunately, we see Gabe loving up on his mom. We see Savannah holding Maddie's new baby. We we do see Garrison. He's there. We see him walking through.

00:21:10 Speaker_04
Yeah, but they're, they're, they're doing a, they're trying not to have him show up a lot. Yeah, making me sad.

00:21:16 Speaker_05
Yeah, I know, but I respect their decision, whatever that is.

00:21:21 Speaker_04
I hope whatever the decision is, it was Janelle's decision.

00:21:23 Speaker_05
Yes, me too.

00:21:24 Speaker_04
That's what I hope. And not Cody's.

00:21:27 Speaker_05
God, I hate him. I'm sorry. So we see Janelle showing David a baby picture of Savannah. And she's like, this is the only picture I have of Savannah. Why? Were they in Hurricane Katrina?

00:21:43 Speaker_04
She was the 12th child at that point. I think they were just tired. Yeah, I agree. But take a picture. Well, they did. There it is. Dude, I'm an only child and I think I could find like seven pictures of me.

00:21:59 Speaker_05
Don't you wonder and I want like, I'm guilty of this sometimes. Like, do you think they could just take a picture of like Gwendolyn and be like, oh, there's Savannah.

00:22:07 Speaker_04
A lot of these kids look a lot alike. I think you could take Savannah Maddy photos. Yeah. Interchange them.

00:22:13 Speaker_05
Like I interchange my kids all the time. I'll be like, Oh, yeah, that's, that's you. Yeah, that's So Janelle, Cody says, I did not expect to be invited because everybody hates me. And Janelle on the couch says, I'm not inviting them.

00:22:29 Speaker_05
And Savannah doesn't have anything to do with Cody and Robin. So not happening. Makes me sad. Makes me sad for Savannah. It does. Yeah, I hope Cody it even if you know, all she gets out of this is a big fat check from him.

00:22:43 Speaker_05
I hope he at least sent her something.

00:22:45 Speaker_04
I hope so too.

00:22:45 Speaker_05
It doesn't replace him being a decent father, but at least it's something. So we get a quick scene of David holding Maddie's baby while Maddie tells Aspen that her kids call him Grandpa David.

00:23:00 Speaker_04
Particularly in light of the fact that we know she has nothing to do with Cody. She has cut him. He's never even met Josephine. Mm hmm. She has cut this ban out of her life. And now her her polygamous other mother, new husband is the test.

00:23:19 Speaker_05
Are you of the camp of we're very happy for Christine, but like, we just need you to bring that energy down a little bit now. Oh, God. Yeah.

00:23:27 Speaker_03
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's been a lot. And this this episode was lower. I mean, next week, we're gonna see her. with the wedding dress shopping, we're gonna have to get back to it. But yeah, it's I mean, Christine has been a lot.

00:23:38 Speaker_03
I know she people find her very annoying. And yeah, she is moving at light speed with this guy. You know, I am so happy. It has all worked out.

00:23:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think that that it's hard, you know, some of it watching it all is kind of boring, because we know how it turns out.

00:23:53 Speaker_05
That was my question to both of you. Do you think you would feel differently about her storyline if we didn't know how it ended up? Maybe.

00:24:00 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think like a lot of people are like, she's an adult, their children, her children are adults, she can do it. She can absolutely do what she wants.

00:24:09 Speaker_04
But the reality is, is their kids, all of her kids are now gonna have the opportunity to watch her on TV going, I don't care how my kids feel about it. Well, that's just shitty.

00:24:18 Speaker_05
And the thing is, like, I have divorced without children. My parents divorced with me as their child. And I can tell you those two experiences are very different when you divorce with children.

00:24:30 Speaker_05
I think you need to accommodate your children and take their feelings into account. And Cody's not doing that. Well, Cody's an asshole. You're better than Cody. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

00:24:40 Speaker_05
And I just I feel like she needed not for her, but for them just a little bit more time.

00:24:47 Speaker_04
And Tess, I liked what you and Brooke said last week of her being like saying to Isabel, like, everything's done. Everything's not done. You're getting married in seven months. We're going wedding dress shopping next week. She's going to be bridezilla.

00:24:58 Speaker_04
It's not all done. If she had said to her, okay, David and I are living together. We're engaged. We're not getting married for a couple years. We're in no rush. We're just going to settle into this life.

00:25:09 Speaker_04
And then we're going to get married and it won't be on the cover of fucking People magazine. then she could say to Isabel, it's all done.

00:25:16 Speaker_05
But no, poor Isabel is like, I was 21 years old when my parents divorced, and my dad immediately got a new girlfriend. And there was nothing she could have done for us to be okay with that situation. Like we just weren't okay with it. We weren't

00:25:30 Speaker_05
okay with the speed of it. And like he moved in with her and everything. It caused a huge drift in our relationship with him. Like it just we were not ready for it.

00:25:39 Speaker_05
We were begging him like, please just let us get over this and like you could date her fine. But like, So I just see the kids point of view in this. And that's unfortunately, just my bias here. Same.

00:25:52 Speaker_03
Well, that's what Brooke and I were talking about, because we're children of divorce, but we were much younger, I was six, and Brooke was 10. And so the thing is, is that that's what we're saying, like, truly still lives there.

00:26:02 Speaker_03
Yeah, really, you are introducing a man that you have not known for an entire year. And putting him in your home with your teenage daughter. And so that's the part that really bugs me. And I think, is Isabel still there? I mean, she's still very young.

00:26:20 Speaker_03
She still needs a lot of this. that no wonder they're feeling what they're feeling. And it is a lot.

00:26:27 Speaker_03
And I think that I've worked with enough people where it is fascinating to hear the stories like how old you are when your parents split up, like what it's like for you. Yeah, because for me, I have no memory of any of it.

00:26:37 Speaker_03
My father moved on very, very quickly. But I have no and I but I have very little memories of that my sister does. She has much better memories. And then you know, people hear about like someone getting divorced at 21.

00:26:48 Speaker_03
And you think, well, aren't you lucky? And I'm like, I I don't know. I think it's really hard when you're an adult, because then your parents treat you like an adult and tell you exactly what they think about your partner.

00:26:58 Speaker_03
At least at six, my parents were like, oh, daddy's moving out now. I mean, you know, there was no, I didn't know the undercurrents of everything that's happening. I think when you're an adult and your parents get divorced, now you know everything.

00:27:09 Speaker_03
Now they're telling you everything. And you're like, and you didn't need to know that about your parents. No, I agree 100%.

00:27:15 Speaker_04
It's destabilizing whenever it happens. Yes. And, and like you Tess, I was four, like, my experience of my parents is not as a couple. Yes, at all. And so that had a different impact on me.

00:27:28 Speaker_04
But my dad was always very much like, if you if you have a problem with someone I'm dating, I want you to tell me and then like, basically, like I had a veto card that I could play. Now I played it once in like my 30s.

00:27:42 Speaker_04
And he just kind of was like, whatever. But that's a whole other thing. But he always prioritized my experience in light of the relationship. Which I think you have to do when you have a kid.

00:27:56 Speaker_05
Yeah, my dad did not. But I was 21. But you're still a kid. Yeah, right.

00:28:01 Speaker_04
Right.

00:28:01 Speaker_05
It was my senior year of college. Like it was very destabilizing for me. I, at one point didn't have a home to live in. I didn't walk for my graduation. I didn't have anyone to move me home from college. Like it was really crazy. That's a lot.

00:28:16 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's a lot. But but I had a base. of a solid base of parental unity, if you will, like two parents who got along, who didn't fight. So it's like, which

00:28:30 Speaker_04
There's no better or worse, it's just different.

00:28:32 Speaker_03
There's no better option, there isn't. It's just different.

00:28:34 Speaker_03
I've been through this with enough people where I've said, listen, you're yelling and screaming in the other room, because I have, you know, I have clients that, you know, should divorce and they don't.

00:28:43 Speaker_03
And it's a little bit like, yeah, your kid's picking up on this, they're gonna know, they're gonna feel it, it's not gonna be, because I've talked to those people, they know that their parents never got along, or mom slept on the couch, or dad slept on the couch.

00:28:54 Speaker_03
So that's the thing, it's like, ultimately, what you want is a happy, healthy relationship, but if, But then that's the ultimate. So how do you get that? How do you find that? So that might be together, that might be apart. Yeah.

00:29:05 Speaker_03
And I think that Christine is I'm sorry, but she's acting just as immature and just as digging in, as Cody and some of the other people, she's not as bad as Cody. And I think she feels like

00:29:19 Speaker_03
because she has been wronged for so many years because she has not gotten this love for him for so many years, that she that this is okay. But the problem is, is that that's that's been your experience. It hasn't been your kids experience. Exactly.

00:29:32 Speaker_03
And quite frankly, these kids aren't asking for a lot. They're just asking for you to slow things down. Not a little bit. I don't think that's a lot to ask. I really don't.

00:29:41 Speaker_04
One of the things like when my husband and I were dating and we got to the point where it made sense for me to meet his son, who was 12 and a half at the time, we were very intentional and very slow about it.

00:29:53 Speaker_04
And thankfully, my husband really kind of looked to me because he's like, you've had this experience. His parents are still happily married almost, you know, 50 or 60 years. So they're fine. But 55 years, whatever it is.

00:30:06 Speaker_04
But like, the thing I kept having to remind my husband is like, we're six months into this relationship, we're real solid, we're real good. As far as his son is concerned, this relationship is two weeks old. It's three weeks old. It's six weeks old.

00:30:18 Speaker_05
But Christine didn't even have that six months ahead of time. She didn't even have that six months ahead of time.

00:30:22 Speaker_04
She had like two weeks. I know. I know. I know. But it's like, you have to keep, Just because you're in a certain place doesn't mean everyone around you is in that place, too. So you need to give them time to get on to the new Christine and David Island.

00:30:34 Speaker_04
And a lot of that is like... They're still like rowing their way there. They're not there yet.

00:30:37 Speaker_05
How could we expect her to have that insight when she was raised in that religion and had all those... Right.

00:30:42 Speaker_04
She's 20 years... Emotionally 20.

00:30:43 Speaker_05
She's emotionally like 17. Yeah. She is just... Okay. So now we have this little scene where Janelle pulls Maddie and Caleb upstairs, and they're going to talk about buying land. And Janelle, what's that? Oh, State of Farms. Yeah.

00:30:58 Speaker_05
And she's like, we're finally paying off Coyote Pass. And she's wired her check to the bank, her funds to the bank directly.

00:31:06 Speaker_04
Smart. To the title company. Smart that she didn't send it to Cody. Very smart.

00:31:10 Speaker_05
And she says, Cody better have his shit there by the deadline. That's all I'm saying. And they have found a farm in North Carolina and Maddie's asking what Janelle's plans are. So from what I've made sense of here, this land needs to be subdivided.

00:31:24 Speaker_05
So it's not, they want it subdivided into five lots. It's only four currently, I believe.

00:31:30 Speaker_04
Right? Yes. No, it is five currently. You have your little thing. It's fine because there's like the three and then there's two. Like if you look at the map, there are three vertical ones and two horizontal ones. Okay, hold on. Cody's name's on everything.

00:31:45 Speaker_05
But I think that's how they want it.

00:31:47 Speaker_03
I don't think it's like that yet. I think that's the other way around. I think that you're right. I think that's how they want it, but it's not currently how it is. So this is where Brooke had, did watch the episode.

00:31:57 Speaker_03
And so this was Brooke's comment about this moment. She was saying, why in God's name is Janelle sending money without any kind of legal document that says, I get one fourth of this?

00:32:11 Speaker_03
Because she said she's not, there's no, there's no, there's no contract as of right now, as of right now, this is where her name is.

00:32:17 Speaker_03
And Brooke was like, why would you give him dime one without, without talking without drawing up paperwork that says, if I give you this money, I get one fourth of this. Well, her name is on her name is on two lots. Okay, so maybe she already has it.

00:32:35 Speaker_03
She's not worried about it. Yeah, it's mainly like they're all worried about Cody screwing them over. So you're just going to keep sending him it was a little bit like you're just going to keep sending him money. And she did say I hired a lawyer.

00:32:44 Speaker_03
So maybe she drew all this and maybe he signed it. Who knows? But this was her first comment was like, Yeah, there's no, there's no legal standing. for her right now, just sending that money if there's nothing there.

00:32:57 Speaker_03
And I also want to say that a lot of times people think that, well, it's on this reality show. So isn't that proof that they said this?

00:33:04 Speaker_03
And if anyone remembers a great show that I wish was still on called The Prophet with Marcus Limonis that was on CNBC, it was about like, he would take these struggling businesses and like,

00:33:15 Speaker_03
So one of the episodes I think in an early season was he agreed to buy this product from someone and and basically, you know, they reneged on the deal and Marcus took him to court and they they played the video for the judge and the judges like listen,

00:33:33 Speaker_03
there's this is a reality show. I don't know if this is real or not. This is supposed to be you know, this might have been for drama or for TV. So she has no stand unless she got him to sign something. She has no standing right now. Yeah.

00:33:45 Speaker_03
More money that she does not have. Right? Yeah. Assuming that he's gonna do the right thing. And I think Mary's being even even more of an idiot.

00:33:54 Speaker_04
But she's so she so thinks that Cody's gonna act in her best interest and Cody will never act in anybody's best interest but Cody Brown's. period.

00:34:01 Speaker_05
So according according to sarcasm, this is how it's currently split. It's four lots currently. So you've Chris, that's old. Okay, you've Cody, Janelle, Cody and Janelle on one lot. You have Cody and Robin on a second lot.

00:34:16 Speaker_05
You've Cody, Janelle and Mary and then you've Cody and Robin on the right. So they need to get it subdivided into five lots. Okay. And that's how that's what Janelle wants to do. And Janelle says she's getting four of the 14 acres.

00:34:31 Speaker_05
And it will divide four ways. Maddie says nothing. Caleb says nothing. Janelle says at this point, Maddie, I don't know, I just have to I have to just get this done. Because I don't want to go toe to toe with whatever crazy logic they have. Uh huh.

00:34:48 Speaker_05
And Caleb goes, I'm so excited. And I'm very proud of you.

00:34:53 Speaker_04
Caleb hates Cody. She also- So glorious given their previous love affair. I know, I was going to say this must kill Cody that Caleb hates him so much.

00:35:02 Speaker_05
She also says she has no guarantee that someone's generosity will rule out here. So she has obtained a lawyer. Good for her. Now we get some footage of Mary in London. And she goes to Stonehenge and she's crying.

00:35:16 Speaker_05
And I just want to say something ridiculous. This resonated with me. That is how I felt when I saw the Pacific Ocean for the first time. I cried the first time I saw the Pacific Ocean too.

00:35:27 Speaker_04
Yes.

00:35:28 Speaker_05
I get it. I spent probably I became obsessed with California when I was 15. So probably 25 years trying to get to California to see the Pacific Ocean. So the first time I saw it stopped like a baby. So I get it. Yes.

00:35:44 Speaker_05
I know it's so stupid, but I never had the money or the means to go.

00:35:47 Speaker_04
I just didn't. And I think you build these places up and they become very important to you. And I thought it was sweet how excited I was to be there. I really did.

00:35:55 Speaker_03
I did too. I got it. I'm proud of her. I don't think going to London. I don't know if I would go to London. But I mean, I guess I think I would. But I mean, I don't know. That's a lot. You know, you just ended this long marriage and you're going by yourself.

00:36:07 Speaker_03
And I

00:36:09 Speaker_05
But Mary has done a lot by herself. And I think she's just getting stronger and stronger and stronger.

00:36:14 Speaker_03
Yep.

00:36:16 Speaker_05
it's kind of like when Christine went to Isabel surgery by herself and said, like, I realized I could do it. Yeah. So now we're back to the party. And Christine says that she wanted to flash mob.

00:36:27 Speaker_05
So she sent everyone to dance and nobody completed the assignment. So Maddie instead did this trash where she just got on a chair and acted like she was having some kind of seizure. And Savannah was confused. And Christine says it was a fail.

00:36:42 Speaker_04
By the way, I watched that at two times speed. You thought it looked real weird at one time speed. I really thought Maddie might be possessed by a devil at this point and somehow was like being exercised in the middle of this room. It was ridiculous.

00:36:57 Speaker_05
Is this a trend where people get on chairs? I don't know. I mean, we're all ladies of a certain age here.

00:37:04 Speaker_04
I don't know.

00:37:04 Speaker_05
I don't understand the tink and the tock. I'm sure it has something to do with that. I don't understand the milkshakes in the yard. I don't get it.

00:37:09 Speaker_03
I'm going to tell you right now, if Christine had sent me instructions and a flash mob thing, I'd ignore it too. totally ignored it. I would have been like, Oh, I'm not doing this.

00:37:18 Speaker_05
What's so funny, though, is I feel like Christine was pissed.

00:37:21 Speaker_03
Yeah, she was mad. No, she was I wrote down Christine's very upset. It's not fine. And this is her house. And you know, when she throws a party at her house, she likes to be a little controlling about things. She's sure mad.

00:37:36 Speaker_05
So Cody on the couch says, I would have loved to have been part of Savannah's life, but they are part of this collusion that seems to hate Robin. And I think it's only because they're jealous. this jealous of Robin. No, no.

00:37:53 Speaker_04
By the way, I saw a video of Gwen some real or something of her commenting on season 19. I don't think it was her Patreon thing, but she's not doing it anymore. Somehow she was recording and she just went off about the ugly art in Robin's house.

00:38:07 Speaker_04
She's like, when my dad she's like, apologies to the artist. This is not about you. But that art is ugly. And when my dad started buying it, I was like, What are you doing? This is Could you imagine?

00:38:20 Speaker_05
Now, you know, Amanda, how I am with money. I do. Could you imagine you have 19 children? Mm hmm. And you're spending money on art? Mm hmm. What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, yeah. Oh, 18. I'm sorry. So what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. What are you?

00:38:36 Speaker_04
Yeah. And you have children that are small that are going to need to go to college. Savannah is living in an apartment with mismatched locks and Janelle has to leave her bedroom to change her mind because it's so small. Come on.

00:38:53 Speaker_03
Come on. Well, but this was I got really caught in the whole Cody, I would like to be in Savannah's life. I'm like, has anyone prevented you? Don't you live in the same town like this, this powerlessness that he feels?

00:39:08 Speaker_03
And, and it's just, I mean, the ego of, of course, they're all upset because they're mad because I love Robin and not them. right?

00:39:18 Speaker_05
Like this is why and they're all colluding because they just want my dick and my love and my attention.

00:39:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's my six pack abs.

00:39:24 Speaker_05
Yes.

00:39:25 Speaker_03
And I'm so great. But and I wasn't invited to this party. But I because but I have no way of of having a relationship with Savannah. I was. Yeah. Zero sense. None of this makes any sense.

00:39:39 Speaker_05
Tess, I feel like we haven't done a proper introduction with Leo.

00:39:43 Speaker_03
Ah, yes, Tess, this is Leo. Leo, Tess. He just sits there. Does he come on every podcast? Pretty much. Pretty much.

00:39:50 Speaker_04
He makes an appearance at some point, pretty much every time.

00:39:52 Speaker_03
He's just constantly in business. If I let my dogs in my office, one of my two would be up on my lap too. There's always one. When you have multiple, there's always one that's like a little bit like, I could take or leave you.

00:40:04 Speaker_03
And then there's one that's like, I love you. I love you.

00:40:06 Speaker_04
of you. Leah would move into my face if he could. Yeah, if that was possible.

00:40:10 Speaker_05
That was like Jenny and me growing up like Jenny could take or leave my parents. And I was like, Oh my god, need me love me be around me constantly. So Janelle on the couch says Cody is the problem here.

00:40:23 Speaker_05
He seems to think that if he leaves Robin behind, we're going to welcome him. That is not the case. He is estranged from 95% of his children. So he's not welcome, regardless of who he brings. Good job, girl.

00:40:40 Speaker_03
Season 20 is going to be interesting, how all this lands.

00:40:43 Speaker_04
for season 26 by the time we get to it.

00:40:45 Speaker_05
But yeah. So Robin says we always had big parties for our kids and that's just not how it went this year. Cody on the couch says this just sucks. I have a whole side of my family that's decided they're a family and we're out.

00:41:02 Speaker_05
Oh, they'll invite me to their club if I leave Robin behind. But I'm not doing that. No, they won't. No, they won't. No. So now we see Mary driving into Flagstaff.

00:41:13 Speaker_05
She's going to Cody and Robin's house to sign something to pay off Coyote's pass and she says she wrote Cody a check.

00:41:21 Speaker_03
again. So and why did she need to physically go? Like if I was Mary's therapist, I would say no, you need to you need to get a lawyer like I was Jen. I would or send Jen or wire the money to the wireline and see what she did.

00:41:35 Speaker_03
Get the piece of paper and writing do something. But why do you need to physically go and maybe I don't know, maybe it's the producers. I can imagine what these shows these producers give you such a guilt trip all the time. And I think Janelle ignored

00:41:47 Speaker_00
there.

00:41:48 Speaker_03
Mary feels bad. True. I'd be that person. I'd be Mary be like, all right, fine. I'll go in person. I don't want to disappoint you.

00:41:55 Speaker_05
That's probably what happened with Savannah's graduation party. Like Maddie, just get on a chair and do something weird. And Janelle just show up there. Like, yeah.

00:42:03 Speaker_05
So I wrote, they're splitting this profit four ways, they keep talking about, so they better be splitting the payment four ways. Cody better be paying 50%. And I think he is. I think it sounded that way.

00:42:18 Speaker_05
So she gets to Cody's and he and Robin sit down with her at the table. The art is on full display.

00:42:24 Speaker_04
Oh, yeah, much fucking art.

00:42:26 Speaker_05
Jesus Christ. Yep. Kids are nowhere to be seen, which is my theory that they will not film in the house with the kids. But they did it last week with the I'm moving to Paraguay. No, Mary, don't go please. Um, he asked her about her travels.

00:42:41 Speaker_05
And Mary's like, Stonehenge was just everything I thought it would be. And he's like, that's it. That's it. I mean, wasn't there anything cooler?

00:42:50 Speaker_05
Like, did you go to the twinnings tea shop or the embassy of the Republic of Texas, which I looked up things to do in London that were lame. The Embassy of the Republic of Texas for one.

00:43:01 Speaker_04
There's really an Embassy of the Republic of Texas in London?

00:43:04 Speaker_05
What is this? Okay, so built in 1730, this property at 4 St. James Street, okay, between 1836 and 1845, this building was home to perhaps one of its most unusual tenants. the Embassy of the Republic of Texas.

00:43:21 Speaker_05
At the time of its founding, Texas was an independent, sovereign country with its borders under threat from both the United States and Mexico.

00:43:28 Speaker_05
The President of Texas, Sam Houston, sent Dr. Asheville Smith, Secretary of State, to establish this Texan diplomatic representation in England. Interesting. How weird is that? That would be right up Cody's alley. That would be right up Cody's alley.

00:43:44 Speaker_03
That's where you would go. You know why? You thought you were just listening to a recap of Sister Wilds. Now we got some history. And Robyn, you want to go to the Twinnings tea shop.

00:43:53 Speaker_04
You know, as part of Cody's Manosphere deep dive 4chan, he's a sovereign nation guy. So this would be right up his alley. Yep.

00:44:04 Speaker_05
Mary is really offended because she's like, dude, I have literally talked about how much I have loved Stonehenge for 100 years of our marriage.

00:44:13 Speaker_06
Yeah.

00:44:13 Speaker_05
And Robin's like, Oh, it sounds really cool. Mary tells the camera, it's interesting when you realize something that is so meaningful to you or your or your partner, he could care less. In other words, it's so meaningful to her, he could give a shit.

00:44:29 Speaker_05
I thought that was really interesting.

00:44:31 Speaker_04
Yeah. Because he doesn't give a shit. Because he doesn't give a shit. Because it doesn't involve him. He doesn't know these women unless it's about him.

00:44:41 Speaker_03
Psychlegal Pop will be back after these messages. Yeah, I also think it's that and also I will say that, you know, Cody's very ADD. And I don't know if he's ever taken anything for it or what the deal is. But that's a it's also a very ADD trait.

00:44:57 Speaker_03
Like if you're not if it doesn't interest you, you're not going to focus on it. So I think Cody's a very special person, where he's got this ADD

00:45:06 Speaker_03
And usually the ADD person, you know, hopefully they get help and they get medication and they figure it out.

00:45:11 Speaker_03
But usually, they have to work on, right, like, okay, I have to work on being interested in this, I have to focus on this, I have to do this and that. And I think his narcissism prevents him from doing that.

00:45:22 Speaker_03
It's like this double whammy of like, not really not, not only not getting it, but not being willing to get it and not thinking that he should have to get it.

00:45:32 Speaker_03
And that's the part about him that I think is maybe they're waking up to are these layers of the fact that like, Oh, wow, yeah. Yeah, not just that he was busy. It's not just that he, you know, has a lot on his mind.

00:45:43 Speaker_03
It's it's there's so much, you know, yeah, he really doesn't care. And some of it is on him. And some of it is this illness. And, mm hmm. you know, all of it.

00:45:53 Speaker_05
So Mary now can't let this go. And she gets passive aggressive. And this is what we see when Cody says, you know, I never knew she was serious or not. Right? Yes.

00:46:02 Speaker_05
She's like, Cody, remember when we used to be married and used to be interested in one another? Do you remember that? And Robin's like, should I leave?

00:46:10 Speaker_05
And Mary says, No, you sit right it reminded me of the episode of friends when Ross and Rachel are fighting over the list. Right. And the rest of the group is like, should we go now stay right there.

00:46:21 Speaker_05
And now Janelle says on the couch, Cody forgets things other people care about unless he's interested in it, or he can use it as leverage.

00:46:31 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's the manipulation. That's, that's, that's the other side of him.

00:46:36 Speaker_05
And Christine on the couch says, if you want to do things with Cody, you have to live in his world and do things only he's interested in. And Cody says, Hey, I'm a guy. I don't pay attention to these girly things.

00:46:48 Speaker_05
Sometimes I remember things sometimes I don't. Bitches be shopping. Oh, God, he's the worst. All right, so now Janelle says, I wired a fourth of the money to the title company.

00:47:03 Speaker_05
And we get a little thing of Robin like, I'm so excited, we're paying off the property. Okay, whatever, girl. So now Mary says, look, we need to discuss dividing this up now. And Cody says, I've spoken with Janelle.

00:47:17 Speaker_05
And because there are woods on ours, we need to decide to do an appraisal or are you happy with the four acres and so basically, Cody doesn't want to do an appraisal. No, because he doesn't want

00:47:30 Speaker_04
to anyone to know the true value of this property.

00:47:33 Speaker_03
And my question is, how are, I would think that woods would be a negative, right? But I guess it's a positive?

00:47:40 Speaker_04
Not there. I guess there it's a positive.

00:47:41 Speaker_03
I was like, how is woods a positive?

00:47:44 Speaker_04
I'm so confused. We're in a desert, essentially, right, Amanda? Yeah, I mean, it's high desert, but I don't know. It's a ski town. It's in the high elevations.

00:47:54 Speaker_05
You can have the woods logged if you wanted to, which is valuable.

00:47:59 Speaker_03
Maybe there is some value to it, but I just didn't understand how they were thinking about these. My absolute favorite line is, we're going to have to find a land appraiser. I'm going to go on the Google, land appraiser.

00:48:13 Speaker_03
Where are we going to find a land appraiser?

00:48:15 Speaker_05
From my understanding, I just had property subdivided. A subdivision is going to cost you a couple thousand dollars. But an appraisal, I think it's under a thousand dollars, I think, to have a land appraised.

00:48:27 Speaker_03
To get your house appraised out here in California, you know, it's like $1,000, $1,500, something like that. So, yeah, you know, divided by four, whatever that is. Yeah, you've already given a lot of money to this place.

00:48:39 Speaker_03
The subdivision is the expensive part.

00:48:41 Speaker_05
That's going to be, you know, we paid five or six grand for a small subdivision.

00:48:46 Speaker_04
So I just typed in into ye olde Google, Land Appraiser Flagstaff, Arizona. First hit on Yelp, top 10 real estate appraisers in Flagstaff. Second, AZ Mountain Appraisers.

00:48:57 Speaker_03
You're good. It's really easy to find one, dude.

00:49:00 Speaker_03
But I think this is very, like, the other part of it, too, when they were talking about dividing up the land, and Cody was saying, oh, well, I was just, I don't know, I just had to make a decision, and I just had to figure it out, and I just had to get it done.

00:49:13 Speaker_03
It's like, huh? You know, you're buying something, you're spending a lot of money on it, and if the person's coming to you going, divide, divide, divide, divide. Don't you stop and go, well, maybe I don't need this land that badly.

00:49:26 Speaker_03
What kind of deals are you making that you are under such pressure? And I think what we're seeing here is a little bit of, yes, he doesn't want someone to come in to kind of mess up his system of what he wants.

00:49:38 Speaker_03
But I also think this shows you a little bit of how he is in business. Yeah, like how he thinks, like, Oh, God, you're gonna learn about it's gonna take. It's like, No, do you not understand how a business runs or work? Like, he doesn't get the basics.

00:49:53 Speaker_03
Mary does.

00:49:54 Speaker_05
These people grew up poor, like they had this happened to my family. Like we grew up my parents had no fucking idea how to handle a mortgage, how to handle credit cards, how to you know, they just have no financial literacy whatsoever.

00:50:08 Speaker_05
So you take somebody like that, and you start giving them money from this show, which we hear they make pretty good money. And it's like, like, I'll never forget what my dad got.

00:50:18 Speaker_05
My dad was a mechanical engineer at for union shop in the 80s, which made a lot of money. Yeah. And they didn't know how to fuck it. Like, like, what's that word I'm looking for under squandered. they squandered it all on a house that they couldn't fit.

00:50:33 Speaker_05
Like they just had no way to know what to do. Because both of them came from families who never owned homes, never had good jobs. You know what I mean? So it was like, these people just Cody doesn't know what to do with money.

00:50:46 Speaker_05
They needed to hire like a financial consultant. Mm hmm. And be like, we have all this money. Here's what we have in Vegas, which I would argue is another poor investment, but whatever. Right. Here's what we have. We want to get to that here.

00:51:01 Speaker_05
What do we do? But Cody doesn't like he just runs around and, and he's all about the instant gratification.

00:51:07 Speaker_04
He can't wait 10 minutes. No, like that's what it is. Consider everything. So it's instant gratification. And I think he's constantly played a shell game with all of the women in this family of

00:51:20 Speaker_04
Robin's probably the one who knows the most but understands the least. Yeah.

00:51:24 Speaker_05
And Janelle I think understands the most and knows very little and knows very little and she was probably screaming to him behind the scenes like, can we talk to somebody about what to do? Like Janelle is very methodical.

00:51:38 Speaker_05
And I would argue she probably, if anybody, was saying like, please, you know, let's consult with somebody, that would be, it would come from her. But Kody's probably like, no, you're a woman, go shop. Like, let me do what I have to do.

00:51:53 Speaker_05
So Robin has four acres, Janelle has four, that's eight. That means there are six acres left, so Cody's gonna get three, Mary's gonna get three, and I wrote, so Cody and Robin get seven. That's how this works.

00:52:06 Speaker_05
So the land is not subdivided yet, which might cost a couple thousand dollars. Cody wants the subdivision so they have a fifth lot for his kids to inherit. None of your kids want it, dude. Nobody wants this. There is a, what do I have here?

00:52:21 Speaker_05
Oh, there's a preconception that the lots with the trees on them are worth more. We again, we don't know if that's true. Mary wants the appraisal.

00:52:28 Speaker_05
Now, I don't know about you guys, but I was kind of like, Hmm, I think you should be careful how much you're pressing here to get legal stuff done, because they have no legal standing. Right?

00:52:37 Speaker_05
Like, that's kind of like what Brooke is saying, like, they have no legal rights to this. So how hard do you want to push this?

00:52:45 Speaker_04
Yeah, the less information everyone has, the better it might be for all of them. Because if they have a lot of details, then Cody can really fuck them over.

00:52:53 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, but I and it's so tricky now, because when you really look at the how it's divided, what does Mary say she has one third of one of four. She has one third of a fourth of a fourth of a parcel. So that math is too hard.

00:53:10 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, I think we figured out it was one 16th or something like that. We did something there. We figured that out.

00:53:16 Speaker_03
But I think, you know, interestingly, as we look at all of this, in some ways, it's it's almost like, Janelle got it, she really saw what was happening.

00:53:28 Speaker_03
And she really was trying to do Mary a solid and I kind of felt like God, Mary, you're gonna run right to them.

00:53:32 Speaker_05
Okay, let me let us there. Let me take us there. So now Mary, that asshole says, Oh, you know, Janelle came over a couple days ago and was like, you should watch out for yourself.

00:53:44 Speaker_04
I'm like, Come on, girl, don't. Oh, okay. Mary's such Mary will always be the pick me girl. She will always do whatever it will take to be in Cody's good graces. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's also why she showed up.

00:54:02 Speaker_03
Mm hmm. So now I think Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. I I don't know, I was just going to say, I think this is why I, and this is while we're watching Mary in this transformation, I'm very happy for her.

00:54:11 Speaker_03
And I know that it's a process, but it is that still that thing of like, God, you're going to go and run and tell them right away. And, and you know, you're saying you feel screwed. You know, you feel like you're not getting what it is.

00:54:25 Speaker_03
I don't know, I think there's different ways to treat all of this. And I am with you, Amanda, that I think that if you go hard charging with lawyers, that you may get screwed in the end.

00:54:35 Speaker_03
But there's this other part of me, it's like, Mary, God, when are you going? Is this strategy going to work? Because this strategy has not worked for a decade. Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's the part that makes me a little crazy about her sometimes.

00:54:46 Speaker_05
Well, Cody's like, there's a developer that would buy it from us. I think that's what they should do. Get it appraised, sell it to the developer.

00:54:53 Speaker_03
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because no matter what configuration, no one wants to live next to each other.

00:54:57 Speaker_04
No, none of these people want to live next to each other. And from what we understand, Ace and Caitlin have been out there. Other listeners have been out there.

00:55:04 Speaker_04
There's a lot of properties on like, Coyote Pass isn't just the 14 acres that the Browns own. It's a large area. And they're developing it more and more. Just sell it. Yep.

00:55:16 Speaker_04
Get it out of your and then then go buy your two and a half million dollar house across town.

00:55:20 Speaker_05
Oh, wait, I think that's what you did. Well, Amanda, they're not going to sell it because guess who doesn't want to? Robin. Robin's like, well, I don't want to sell. I just wrote, I hate this fucking idiot.

00:55:33 Speaker_05
She's like, Oh, I think Mary should build out there too. What are you not understanding Robin?

00:55:41 Speaker_03
But it's just it's just hilarious. It feels like a 13 year old slumber party of like, well, I'm not going to move if so and so is going to move. And if so and so moves over here, then I'm not going to be here.

00:55:51 Speaker_03
And then if I'm going to build a fence, am I going to build a big fence? It's like, no one can all live on this land together. Like, there's no separation known to man.

00:55:59 Speaker_05
Well, it's only Robin who thinks they should all live together. Yeah, because Robin also wants Janelle to live out there. Nobody likes you. I don't understand. Read the room. Yes. Why?

00:56:12 Speaker_03
Why do you need to know? You do not talk to do now? Why do you need to know?

00:56:16 Speaker_05
She just wants to show that on camera. Shit about Janelle. So Janelle on the couch says, Dear God, please end this. Mary tells them about Janelle coming. Now, Janelle says, Look, my conscience dictated that I spoke with Mary about the property.

00:56:35 Speaker_05
Now, I don't think that's what happened here. I think that was Janelle putting out a little feeler. Like, can I get married and she immediately recognized the error of her ways and backed up. Yeah, but I think that's what was happening. Yeah.

00:56:49 Speaker_05
And she was trying to get an ally. Yeah. Cody says, Janelle doesn't trust me because she would screw me in a second. And I'll be honest, I thought about screwing her. But my wife, let me I'm like,

00:57:06 Speaker_04
And the idea that Robin is the one with the conscience. Come on. Come on. This woman will sell anybody up a creek. Yep. If all that means she gets what she wants with Cody.

00:57:20 Speaker_05
Now we have Mary pointing out she's only a third owner of one of the four parcels. Okay, maybe I can do this math. So right now we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 names on this. Would that mean that it would be divided into nine pieces?

00:57:37 Speaker_05
So Mary owns one ninth, Cody would own four ninths. So half basically. Yeah. Janelle would own two ninths and Robin would also own two ninths. Did I do it right?

00:57:50 Speaker_04
I think maybe you're so asking the wrong people.

00:57:58 Speaker_05
Correct me please. Okay. So Mary points out, like I said, she's only third on our fourth parcels. She doesn't know why she was not involved with putting the names on these lots.

00:58:09 Speaker_05
And Robin immediately jumps to Cody's defense and says, you know, Cody, the names were just temporary. And Cody made the decision. Nobody else.

00:58:18 Speaker_04
Liar, liar, pants on fire.

00:58:20 Speaker_05
you had to sign something for your name to be on it. So Mary on the couch says, I'm only on one property and Cody and Robin are on a lot more and I hope they will be fair. And I hope they'll be honest and I hope it doesn't get ugly.

00:58:35 Speaker_05
Back at the table, Mary says it would be fair to get a praise before they make a decision and Cody sighs and this is this is the Cody. Oh, I don't want to put any more money into it. It's just a source of pain. Like he just is real hurt over this.

00:58:53 Speaker_05
And Janelle says he's gonna make out like a bandit. Yeah. Cody now says that he doesn't want the house he lives in. Did you get this? Yeah. This is why he moved. We're wondering why they move.

00:59:05 Speaker_03
Wait, okay, wait, say that again. Maybe I missed this.

00:59:08 Speaker_05
Okay, so let me skip down a little bit. So Cody tells Mary he has mixed emotions about Coyote Pass and building there. And on the couch, he says, if Janelle builds, I would want to build, you know, whatever.

00:59:17 Speaker_05
And he's like, Robin, being the patron saint of everyone's feelings would want to try and be good neighbors with Janelle because she's an angel from heaven. Yeah, Robin is just so great. Sure. Janelle's like, let's just sell this shit and move on.

00:59:28 Speaker_05
But if I have to build out there, I'm putting up a 25 foot fence. So I don't have to look at these people.

00:59:33 Speaker_04
Cody boats and a dragon. Yes. drawbridge. I actually wrote I actually wrote a moat. We're gonna basically build Winterfell. Winterfell out there and no one's getting in.

00:59:45 Speaker_05
So Cody says my house, this house has an has been an enormous sense of pain for me. Not because of us. Not because of me and Robin, of course.

00:59:55 Speaker_04
No, we're perfect.

00:59:56 Speaker_05
But because of what I've gone through here, I can't stay here. So that's why they move. Oh, that's what pain of this.

01:00:05 Speaker_04
Plus, they can see coyote pass from that house. Such a fucking baby. He is a therapist.

01:00:12 Speaker_03
Yeah. Well, and the other part of it too, is is that it just shows you I've said this many times that he's not a good leader and that he is not a good business person.

01:00:20 Speaker_03
Because the minute you know, the minute you all discovered and realized like, okay, yeah, nobody, this isn't gonna work. None of us like it either needs to be one person or nobody. then you have to start seeing it as an asset.

01:00:33 Speaker_03
You have to start seeing it as property, but he can't, he cannot get himself out of that place. And that's the part that I'm always trying to figure out with him of, like, can you not get yourself out there?

01:00:45 Speaker_03
Will you not, will you won't get yourself out there? Is this part of the manipulation? It's like, you know, why can't you, why can't you see anything slightly different?

01:00:55 Speaker_05
Because it's just literally can't see beyond himself. Yeah, right. He is right here. Yeah. So, Cody on the couch says if Mary built out there, hell yeah, sweep your sidewalks and get that snow off your driveway. What? What?

01:01:11 Speaker_05
You wouldn't do that for Mary to her. Yeah. He's breadcrumbing her. I'm sorry. Totally. And Mary goes, I have a house she can rent. Alright, so now we have this scene where Cody's going to meet his brothers in Vegas for a man trip. Oh my god.

01:01:30 Speaker_05
And he wrote, you know, but don't worry, don't worry, Rob, an audience of one that Cody's always speaking to because we won't. There's no debauchery except for swearing.

01:01:38 Speaker_03
Sounds like a good time.

01:01:43 Speaker_04
guys, let's meet up in Vegas and swear.

01:01:45 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean, I'm all for it. So Robin on the couch says, I'm glad Cody started to do this again, because this will be healing for him. She she's probably glad to be rid of them for a little bit.

01:01:57 Speaker_03
I would be. But why is everything in life? Why is everything healing? Why is everything safer? I hate therapy. Oh, one thing all the time. He's just gonna go see his brothers.

01:02:08 Speaker_05
Like, go.

01:02:09 Speaker_03
I know.

01:02:10 Speaker_05
Why does everything? Why couldn't he just say like, you know what, he's been stressed. He really needs this. Yeah, that's fine. So his brother Scott and Michael, which you know, it's not lost on me that together they are Michael Scott. And

01:02:25 Speaker_05
They're making fun of Cody's hair and Scott the oldest is in the AUB religion and lives plural marriage. And Michael is not and they show this picture of him with a cookie in one hand and a glass of milk in the other like he's some rebel.

01:02:42 Speaker_05
with his cookies in his mouth. So now Cody shows up in a hairnet saying if he doesn't dry his hair, right, the curls don't happen. And he does say he dyes his whole head.

01:02:54 Speaker_04
He knows it's cheesy, but it works. No, it doesn't. No. Robin taught him the curly girl method and we have all suffered ever since. We can never go back.

01:03:04 Speaker_05
There's this weird scene of them going out to the cul-de-sac. And this is more Cody speak, right? Because I have a nostalgic heart for that place. Dude, it's okay to be sad. Yeah, it's okay to be sad.

01:03:17 Speaker_05
Like you're not some weirdo that has an oddly nostalgic heart. You're just sad. And that's a normal emotion. Like he just he's so weird.

01:03:29 Speaker_03
I didn't know that was a gated community. I didn't need that.

01:03:32 Speaker_05
I wonder if they gated it. I wonder if they gated it because people keep going out there.

01:03:36 Speaker_04
A lot of a lot of communities in Vegas are gated. It's like that. Yeah.

01:03:41 Speaker_03
Yeah. Okay. Which is so interesting. And so what, you just need like a four digit code to get in, right? My grandfather lived in one of these places and I'm like, everyone knows this code. Why are we pretending?

01:03:50 Speaker_04
Right. I think back in the day it was codes. Now I think you just have like probably a little transponder on the windshield on your car. Let's go through, yeah. Okay.

01:03:58 Speaker_05
So if I stole someone's car, I could easily get into their house.

01:04:01 Speaker_03
Correct. Unless they're really, really wealthy. And I assume that those people like the Kardashians and Calabasas, right? I would assume those people have a door. There's a full-time security person. This is like a janky, the door just needs to open.

01:04:16 Speaker_05
So he says, this place was special. We did our recommitment ceremony, our mission statement. It's the closest thing I've had to the dream. I don't know if I ever did plural marriage correctly. You didn't. But this was wonderful.

01:04:30 Speaker_05
And then he says a year ago, he came here and sobbed. And again, he has to quickly explain it away. Like, I don't know if it was out of nostalgia or some feeling of loss. You were just sad, dude. It's okay. Yeah.

01:04:43 Speaker_05
And he says, it was like, just my memory still had us together in this space. And it's a relatively warm memory for me.

01:04:55 Speaker_04
Say we were happy then. And I'm sad. We're not happy. Yeah, yeah.

01:04:59 Speaker_05
Like it not that deep. I remember after my parents got divorced and sold our house, like, I drove by it for years. I would be very upset. You know what I mean? And emotional.

01:05:09 Speaker_05
And I wasn't like, calling people up being like, what is wrong with my nostalgic heart? You're sad. It's okay. Mm hmm. So Michael asks, Is there a chance you'll reconcile? And Cody says, Well, not what you know, because she's free, and she's done.

01:05:24 Speaker_05
And he's like, honestly, he says, this monogamy thing is kind of easy. And he says, Robin, you know, I'm just in that safety, and that wholeness, and that intimacy, and that divine relationship. And I don't have to worry about others.

01:05:44 Speaker_04
This is the closest he finally got to all been wanting him to say all along, which is right here.

01:05:49 Speaker_05
I just fell in love with her and not the other ones right here. He says that he says on the couch. He says, I was building a family and I loved them. Was I in love with them? Did I have the same experience with each one of them? No, I didn't.

01:06:03 Speaker_05
I was working really hard to hide what I had with Robin while I was trying to promote everything else. And I'm like, There it is.

01:06:10 Speaker_04
Thank you. I'm finally there. Finally, you just said it, you motherfucker. Yeah, I would have had so much more respect for him. If he had said that 10 years ago.

01:06:19 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:06:19 Speaker_04
But I love this family. And we're gonna keep it together. Yep. But this relationship is different.

01:06:24 Speaker_06
Yep.

01:06:25 Speaker_04
Yep. And that's okay.

01:06:27 Speaker_03
But here's the, they're in Vegas and this is what they're doing? God, this is lame. If I go to Vegas, this is the first thing I'm doing.

01:06:39 Speaker_05
You're not going to go get dinner or like go see a show?

01:06:44 Speaker_04
I'm going to go there.

01:06:45 Speaker_05
I'm going to go to the restaurants. I'm going to go everywhere in Vegas.

01:06:48 Speaker_04
We're going to go to Colleen's Consignment, but we're also going to go to In-N-Out Burger because we on the East Coast don't have access to In-N-Out Burger.

01:06:56 Speaker_05
I attacked an In-N-Out burger when I was in San Francisco. We hit that place drunk at like 2 AM. I did things to that In-N-Out burger. So his brothers asked if he'll ever marry again.

01:07:12 Speaker_05
And he says, No, you know, being a monogamist is different because there's not this big energy. But it feels right for me. And he says, you know, kind of sounds romantic, like me and Robin riding off into the sunset. Good.

01:07:26 Speaker_05
I wish I would write off into the sunset and get off my screen.

01:07:30 Speaker_04
Not really.

01:07:34 Speaker_05
So Cody says now that he believes polygamy kills emotional intimacy because it makes everyone defensive. I don't think he's wrong. Part of me that wonders too, like, did he keep this family together until most of these children were 18?

01:07:51 Speaker_05
So he wouldn't have to pay child support?

01:07:55 Speaker_04
Oh, interesting. I'm just curious about that. I mean, at this point, by the time he and Janelle were really done, Savannah was 18 or like, yeah, he's from being 18. Right. Truly is the only one. Right. And he wasn't till, you know, she just sued him.

01:08:11 Speaker_05
Like, I wonder if COVID, like he saw the opportunity in COVID, right, to hide. But also he was like, you know, this is a convenient time. I don't have to pay like he I don't think he would have left.

01:08:23 Speaker_05
My point is, I don't think he would have left 10 years ago, because it would have been a huge financial responsibility. Well, and also the show.

01:08:30 Speaker_03
Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I think I think the show. I think he got himself in, I think he realized he was in a little bit of a pickle, right? Because he meets this woman and he falls in love with her. And I do believe that he fell in love with her.

01:08:43 Speaker_03
Now, who he fell in love with, we don't know. Because I don't, I don't, I think he's fallen in love with a version of himself that isn't really Robin, personally. Like, I don't think Robin's ever been truly herself with him.

01:08:58 Speaker_05
Oh, okay. Robin is complacent. Like, she'll just do what he wants her to do.

01:09:03 Speaker_03
Well, and I and yes, and she will agree with him. But I think what's happening now.

01:09:08 Speaker_03
And what's so hard is I think that that their relationship really worked in the sense that it worked when there were other wives when she was the best when she was being compared to Yeah, and I do wonder how life is going to be for them for the next 10

01:09:21 Speaker_03
years, 20 years, because, you know, what will happen if there isn't another bad person to compare them to, right? It's just a very personality thing.

01:09:31 Speaker_03
People with personality disorders, they love to split and like, you're bad, you're good, you know, they like to do that to people. So without that happening over and over again, this being in your face, how are they going to do?

01:09:46 Speaker_03
but i also think that i don't know if he even really knows the real robin or if robin's just some version of something that he thinks he would like or wants to have. you know, I just think it's going to be interesting to see.

01:10:00 Speaker_03
But I think that 10 years, you know, when the show started, he got himself in a little bit of a weird place, because it always went, I think it always went back to money and the show, money and the show money.

01:10:10 Speaker_05
And little did he know, we signed up for the train wreck. Yeah, like if this train wreck had started seven years ago, oh my god, the ratings would have been through the roof and said they were doing flash mobs and the commitment ceremony.

01:10:21 Speaker_03
And I think this is the lack of awareness of Cody and a lack of, you know, just emotional intelligence, because I think that anybody else in that moment in time would have been like, oh, crap, I really love this fourth wife.

01:10:33 Speaker_03
Like, I feel something for her that I don't feel for these other women. And maybe I need to rethink all of this. And, and instead of being a classy person and rethinking all of it, he just basically treated all the other women like shit. Right?

01:10:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, basically, and just was really Homer Simpson into the bushes. You know, he just backed up real slow.

01:10:52 Speaker_03
And I think that's the piece of it is I think he thinks the audiences were angry at him, because he dumped these other women and he's going to keep his sweet, pretty, you know, wife.

01:11:02 Speaker_03
But it's like, No, we're we're annoyed because or, or we're criticizing you because we've watched what you've done. And you did the shittiest thing that you could do to these women and your children. And now that nobody wants to talk to you.

01:11:15 Speaker_05
Look at what he said to Mary. He's like, I'm glad that this took seven years for me to be able to finally get my ego in check enough to be able to be okay with you.

01:11:28 Speaker_04
Tess, do you watch 90 Day? No, I used to. It's such a commitment. It is. It's such a commitment. There's 19,000 versions. What else do you do in Tess? Oh, right. You have a job. You have a career. But there's this woman, Statler, who she

01:11:41 Speaker_04
she was kind of a mess on the show. But she is a holy fucking nightmare on social media and outside the show. And she's walking around going 90 day fiance made me look stupid, maybe create this character made me do all this.

01:11:53 Speaker_04
It's like, No, dude, that's not why we don't like you. We don't like you because of everything you're doing outside the show. We don't like you because you fell in love with Robin.

01:12:02 Speaker_04
We don't like you because you treated three of your wives and, and your children, your children like shit. four years and you didn't give a fuck.

01:12:11 Speaker_05
We saw you tell your sons that they need to move out during a pandemic, right? So that you can come and see their mother and not bring a deadly virus home to the beloved Robin, right? It wasn't about Janelle. It was about Robin.

01:12:31 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's, it's just disgusting. So next time on Christine gets a wedding dress. McKelty reminds us that the first dress was real ugly.

01:12:41 Speaker_04
I appreciated McKelty going, yeah, that was a real hot fucking mess.

01:12:45 Speaker_05
Now, I had to look up we see Robin's children so seldom that I had to look up what kid this was. It was Fiona Apple.

01:12:54 Speaker_04
It was Fiona Apple. Yeah.

01:12:55 Speaker_05
Oh, you didn't know it was Brianna? No, I thought it's this Aurora. I don't know these kids. I never fucking see them. So Brianna wants to start dating people who believe in the same thing as her. And Robin says, that's no reason to be at a church.

01:13:08 Speaker_05
I'm not here for this. I don't want it.

01:13:11 Speaker_04
Oh, I kind of want it.

01:13:14 Speaker_03
I did not grow up with any religion, and everyone's anti-religion in my family. So what does this mean? I didn't either.

01:13:21 Speaker_04
So Aurora and Brianna have joined a different church, not a Mormon-based church at all. Some evangelical, shitty, we hate queer people, we're all the things that the three of us would not appreciate about a religious community.

01:13:34 Speaker_04
This is where they want to start going. I am here for Robin being pissed off that her kids are choosing a different faith.

01:13:42 Speaker_05
I am here for her getting hurt by that. If it's gonna cause strife in Robin's life, I'm here for it. What I don't want to see is more young women being suckered into a terrible church. We're already at a terrible church.

01:13:58 Speaker_04
We're exchanging one terrible church for another terrible church. I'm just here to watch Robin have an absolute hissy fit that her children are somehow straying from the path that she thinks they should be on.

01:14:08 Speaker_05
But won't Robin be happier that they're going further into a terrible church? No, because it's not based on the Book of Mormon.

01:14:15 Speaker_04
Oh, so it's more evangelicals. It's like we're talking like, oh Tess, you got to watch Jesus Camp. Yeah, we're talking like, crazy evangelical Jesus stuff.

01:14:27 Speaker_03
Yeah, no, I can walk kind of like, God put the power in me, like people talking in tongues at some point. Got it. Got it. Okay.

01:14:36 Speaker_04
So is Robin still involved in AUB? I don't know. Cody has said he's left the church.

01:14:41 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:14:42 Speaker_04
Robin has not commented on her faith at all. Okay. Other than she wants to live polygamy, apparently, because you know, she wants to grow old with her sister wives on the porch.

01:14:50 Speaker_05
And she wants God to pick their rental, right?

01:14:52 Speaker_04
Yes, because God cares deeply where Robin Brown lives.

01:14:55 Speaker_05
So some random woman tells Mary that Cody has wanted no one else since he's married Robin. I don't know who these people are.

01:15:03 Speaker_03
Yeah, who was that? I was like, is this a psychic? Did she look like a psychic? And then I'm like, oh, they're having tea.

01:15:07 Speaker_05
It's probably just somebody who watched the show. We need content, so we're going to just bring viewers on. This would be like if the three of us met Mary at like Twinnings Tea in London. We'd be like, sit down, we have to talk to you.

01:15:23 Speaker_04
I hope there's a film crew here for it.

01:15:25 Speaker_05
Yeah, yeah. So that's it. That's where we're, we're leaving. God, Lordy. Amanda and I usually do this little thing where we have some comments from our Facebook group. So if you'll indulge me, I have two I'd like to share.

01:15:39 Speaker_05
So Kristen says, the way the Browns move make me want to stick pins in my eyes. This is from last episode. Yeah. Okay. It's moving day yet there's still dishes in the drying rack on the counter and little knickknacks still above the sink.

01:15:53 Speaker_05
And she doesn't want her marriage bed with Cody yet there they are loading it into her truck anyway.

01:16:01 Speaker_04
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's bad. And the picture that I think we've all decided folks have decided that that was Leon, that picture that we all might be Robin on the wall. Yes. Hope to God Leon's okay with that picture being shown. in their mother's home.

01:16:16 Speaker_04
But that's a whole other problem. Yeah, I think this was just we're moving the furniture today. I think we're coming back 29 times to clean it up and do all this. Well, we saw how they left that house in Wyoming.

01:16:27 Speaker_04
Oh, gosh, and how they left the house or in Lehigh, you mean?

01:16:31 Speaker_05
In Lehigh?

01:16:31 Speaker_04
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.

01:16:33 Speaker_05
All right. So now Aaron says, Dear gods, please let me see the text where Janelle is asking who the fuck spent this. Those are the new texts of my prayers. Amen. I would love to see those too.

01:16:47 Speaker_05
This is what we need to subpoena Tim Cook to give us from Apple. Like give us the text chain, the Christmas text chain and the text chain of this.

01:16:58 Speaker_03
Of Janelle's questioning where all the money is going. We can litigate all this. We'll get to the bottom of this and we'll tell you exactly what What happened? What went wrong?

01:17:07 Speaker_04
I'm telling you, we need a forensic accountant in here to go through all of it.

01:17:12 Speaker_03
Oh God, yeah. This Janelle thing, what we learned, what was it last week or a couple weeks ago about how she didn't have any control over the money. She was just paying the bill. She was just writing the checks or whatever that is.

01:17:25 Speaker_03
Do we really think that's real? She had no influence at all? And then it makes me look at Janelle a little bit differently. of well, then what have you been doing this whole time?

01:17:36 Speaker_05
I will never look sideways at my queen.

01:17:39 Speaker_04
But I will say really believed for so long.

01:17:42 Speaker_05
She trusted him.

01:17:43 Speaker_04
Yeah. She was so bought into the whole thing. And she's like, he'll he'll do right by me. Yeah, he'll do right by me. I don't think she ever cared about legal marriages other than it just fucked up her taxes.

01:17:54 Speaker_04
Because when she was divorcing Mary to go with Robin, she's just like, oh, you couldn't have waited after the tax year. Let's do Q1 for this marriage. Exactly. She doesn't give a shit. She really believed in him and believed in the family.

01:18:11 Speaker_04
And she was not unhappy in her marriage.

01:18:13 Speaker_05
And I think part of that was he was a good father to her children, to her boys. Yes.

01:18:20 Speaker_04
Yeah. And she doesn't need much. She's very independent. She's very happy to live her own life. Yeah, he'd show up every fourth night. He'd bang her occasionally. He hung out with our kids. Right? We're good. I don't need much more.

01:18:35 Speaker_05
I don't need to think of Cody banging anyone.

01:18:37 Speaker_04
No. I'm telling you, though, I am telling you on the order. She was number two of his favorite, favorite wives, favorite sexual partners.

01:18:45 Speaker_03
Oh, oh, yes. Oh, yes. Because the way in which he is so lamenting that she does not want to stay in this marriage with him. It's breaking his heart. You you've just said you don't love any of these, you know, you're fine with all these women. And yet,

01:18:59 Speaker_03
God damn it with him. I think they did some freaky deaky stuff. I think she let him do things that otherwise didn't let him do. And I also think that she I think they had good conversations. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree. I think you disagree.

01:19:14 Speaker_05
I disagree. I think the reason he is so lamenting her her decision to leave is because she's the easiest. She's the least needy.

01:19:23 Speaker_05
He could just kind of have her there and he doesn't have to do anything and she doesn't have expectations and all the kids are gone. So like that's not a thing. I think Christine was needy and I think Mary was needy.

01:19:37 Speaker_05
And Robin's needy, but he loves her. So that's fine. Right. And he doesn't see it as needy for Robin because Robin couches it in this worship of him, which is gross. Cody, I need you to take the lid off the olives because you're so strong and I'm not.

01:19:53 Speaker_05
You've had all your whey protein this week and I haven't.

01:19:58 Speaker_04
All of his supplements on the counters.

01:20:00 Speaker_05
All right. This was lovely.

01:20:02 Speaker_03
Tess, thanks for having us. Did you want to talk about JonBenet or no? Okay. Here's the thing. What's your comment? This now our show is longer than Sister Wives, but okay.

01:20:12 Speaker_05
So two things I want to tell everybody turn this off if you don't want spoiled for the the docuseries that's on Netflix. Listen to Tess and Brooke's coverage and listen to Amanda and I talk about it as well this week. Okay.

01:20:24 Speaker_05
So I always I was always team Patsy did it. I am now team intruder. Entirely. Okay. Yeah, no doubt. There's one thing that I can't. No, there's one thing I can't get past. And it is the pineapple. I really need to kind of explain that pineapple away.

01:20:49 Speaker_05
But the way I think I explain it is, I think John Marcar did it. I think he is creepy as fuck. I think he, he's one of these people that over explains everything. So I could see him writing a three page letter, especially if he has five hours to do it.

01:21:06 Speaker_05
And I think he may have given her the pineapple as he was, you know, talking to her. And because he describes, I mean, guys, episode three of that is so hard to watch. Amanda, did you watch it yet?

01:21:19 Speaker_04
I did. I'm going to need to rewatch it for tomorrow for our recording.

01:21:22 Speaker_05
Episode three is so hard to watch because he goes into great detail about what he did to her. Supposedly. Like, I don't feel like you can make that up. Like, he really leaned into this.

01:21:36 Speaker_05
And I could see a world in which he gives her a little snack while he's talking to her at the table. You know what I mean? To kind of... Or he has the snack himself. I don't know. And then gives her a piece. I have no idea. But the pineapple's the thing.

01:21:51 Speaker_03
But his DNA doesn't match.

01:21:53 Speaker_05
Right. But I think the DNA is corrupted.

01:21:57 Speaker_03
which is what and that's what we're talking about. Like they need to re you know, why? Why is Boulder dragging their heels? Yeah, you know, with this entire situation with with not retesting the DNA.

01:22:11 Speaker_03
And we both believe I've never thought the parents did it. I really never did. I really didn't. And I've always felt like it was a third party or something. But I could, I'm so shocked by the 2016 CBS documentary now, because it never talked about

01:22:30 Speaker_03
the unknown male DNA, like there were so many holes in that.

01:22:33 Speaker_05
And then for them to accuse kids, like, I know, God, you guys, I mean, I really thought that had a child, they, they brought a kid in to bash up a dummy in the head with a flashlight to show that Bert could have done this.

01:22:47 Speaker_03
Yes. Yes. But we do think that whoever did this had been going into their house a lot. Like, I think that these, I think this was an intruder that was part of their kink or part of their thing was to go into somebody's house.

01:23:01 Speaker_03
And this is part of it and maybe discovered, oh, there's a little girl that lives here. Well, I'm going to keep coming back.

01:23:08 Speaker_05
And they're also like, you know, no one could have known that layout of the house. I mean, it's a house. How hard can it be? I know on this floor, there needs to be stairs that descend for me to get to the other floor.

01:23:21 Speaker_05
Give me 10 minutes to find them, you know what I mean?

01:23:23 Speaker_03
But if the whole family's out for four or five hours, you could find everything. You know, you could get the lay of the land, which is also why the house is very- It's like you're in the Chicago airport trying to figure it out.

01:23:33 Speaker_05
It's a 6,000 square foot house.

01:23:35 Speaker_03
That's why I think there was a lot of groundwork that was done, like the one, you know, the 118,000 and all these things. I feel like this person had been looking and, you know, doing all this stuff and figuring stuff out.

01:23:46 Speaker_03
And how do I move here and doing this and this and this? And I think that whatever that person was planning on doing, I think it went, I don't know, maybe it went the way he thought, maybe it didn't, I don't know, but there's something really,

01:23:59 Speaker_03
off about it. And I just felt like the that Steve Thomas, who wrote that book, I just like, why isn't this guy locked up?

01:24:06 Speaker_05
Like, this is another defamatory, all these strong, like, statements that came out, like the 2018 CBS special, Steve Thomas, they've all been sued. Yeah, and they've all said and one. Yeah, like the Ramseys have won those cases.

01:24:20 Speaker_05
So like, but I also feel like when you listen to the podcast that I recommended Amanda, which I forget what it's called. something family. I of course have it on my phone immediately. Or maybe I don't.

01:24:33 Speaker_03
Is this a podcast just on JonBenet? Or are they just covering this episode?

01:24:37 Speaker_05
And it's just this guy who goes through like each half hour is dedicated to like, here's the Patsy theory. Normal family. a normal family. I know. Here's the John theory here. And he talked about things that were not represented in this documentary.

01:24:51 Speaker_05
Like, there was a connection between the Ramses and Alex Hunter, the DA. And like, so stuff like that, that makes you question, but I still feel like all of that can be explained away. You know, I mean, at the end of the day, I feel like

01:25:06 Speaker_05
I can't imagine that these parents would kill their child. Okay, even if they do, I mean, that happens. But then to sexually salt her with a paintbrush. Yeah. And that's the part where I'm like, I really can't get past that.

01:25:24 Speaker_05
That is like pedophile sexual deviant behavior. That is not my kid peed the bed and I got pissed off behavior.

01:25:32 Speaker_04
Now, but the fact I don't know, there's I have a real bias against child pageants like that. And yeah, sexualization.

01:25:41 Speaker_05
And that's what they say, like, like, they probably attracted people to her.

01:25:47 Speaker_04
Or through those pageants. Oh, yeah. Or, I don't know, there's, there's something about Patsy Ramsey that has never sat well with me. I'm not saying Patsy Ramsey is like mother of the year. No, there's something about her that's always creeped me out.

01:25:59 Speaker_05
I can't imagine. First of all, women are very seldom sexual predators. And then to make it a mother on top of it is even a smaller percent.

01:26:12 Speaker_03
And a mother that just recovered from ovarian cancer thought she was going to die. It's the holidays. It's the night before your kid pees the bed. Really? yeah really yeah that is that is not even if you have the kookiest mother in the world

01:26:28 Speaker_03
I, you know, most likely if she would get mad, she would spank her and say sleep in the bed. That would have been like the shitty parent thing to do.

01:26:35 Speaker_05
If it happened in the house, I've always been under the impression that was it was an accident. It was a, you know, I hit her and she hit the tub or you know what I mean? Like something or whatever. I threw her off. Like, I pushed her away.

01:26:50 Speaker_05
She fell down the stairs. But it's the sexual assault with the paintbrush handle that I just can't So anyway, Amanda and I will hash this out. Looking forward to it.

01:27:04 Speaker_04
Actually, what I think will happen is I think Amy will just yell at me for like an hour about what she thinks is true. And I'll be like, okay, that sounds good. I don't know, my mother and I have been texting back and forth all morning.

01:27:15 Speaker_03
Amy, so you have because I only have one boy. So yeah, you have two girls. I do. Because Brooke was talking about this too, which it hit me I was realized my niece is gorgeous, like and has always been stunning.

01:27:28 Speaker_03
Like maybe Layla had a rough weekend where she transitioned, but that girl has been gorgeous. Like she's been on the cover, every school that she ever went to, she was like on the cover of the magazine. I swear to God, she is gorgeous.

01:27:41 Speaker_03
So Brooke started talking about this and she started talking about like that Layla, when she was young, liked to wear sexy things and like to be pretty, like wear makeup and put on the hair and makeup and do all the fun stuff that she liked to do all that kind of stuff too.

01:27:55 Speaker_03
And that that, you know, there's almost this thing of, yes, it's the beauty pageants, but it's almost our society sexualizing young girls. My niece has been looked at by older men. And I was too when I was 10, 11, like a really gross age.

01:28:12 Speaker_03
But she had been looked at by men constantly, constantly hitting on her at 12, at 13, at 14.

01:28:18 Speaker_05
I was walking out of a restaurant with my daughter and a guy stopped and looked her up and down right in front of me. And I turned around and said, she's fucking 14.

01:28:26 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:28:27 Speaker_05
What do you do?

01:28:28 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's bad. So it's a beauty pageants. I'm with you. The beauty pageants aren't great. But I feel like the the media really glommed on to that and then villainize this family. And it's a little bit like, okay, it's not what you would choose.

01:28:40 Speaker_03
But it's almost like you sexualize your child, you did this, you did this. It's like, yeah, no, all all girl, you know, lots of girls like this is the world we live in, unfortunately, and it was world specialized.

01:28:51 Speaker_03
Yeah, the world did that, right, you know, and, and So that's, that's just my two cents on it. Like it's, when you have a boy, it's very different. Like you're not worried about those kinds of things. Yeah. The way you are.

01:29:05 Speaker_03
But yeah, if you don't, you know, and men don't get it. Men have no idea of the crapola that we deal with.

01:29:10 Speaker_04
No, no idea.

01:29:11 Speaker_03
So we'll be hashing this out. Yes, yes. Yeah.

01:29:14 Speaker_04
I look forward to it.

01:29:15 Speaker_03
All right, guys. This was fun. Yeah, this is great. Thank you for being here, Tess. Absolutely. Next time we got to get Brooke. Yeah, absolutely. We need a lawyer. Yeah, in the mix.

01:29:26 Speaker_05
You know, we have a project manager, we have a therapist, we have a poet, we need a lawyer, and we need a lawyer and a cat. Very, very, very needy cat. All right, guys, thank you very much.

01:29:38 Speaker_03
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01:29:59 Speaker_03
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