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Episode: Sister Wives Season 19, E13 Episode: Give up the Ghost
Author: Tess & Brooke Brigham
Duration: 00:52:24
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Christine goes shopping for her dream wedding dress with a full entourage. Christine and David taste wedding cakes and settle on three different flavors. Meri has lunch with friends at La Caille, still struggling with her new reality. Aurora and Breanna tell Robyn that they want to find a church
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00:00:02 Speaker_04
Hello, and welcome back to the Psych Legal Pop podcast. This is a podcast where we talk about popular culture through the lens of an attorney and a therapist. I'm the therapist, Tess Brigham. And I'm Brooke Brigham. I'm the attorney.
00:00:13 Speaker_04
And today we are back with our Sister Wives coverage. This is season 19, episode 13, Give Up the Ghost. Who's the ghost?
00:00:25 Speaker_05
I think it's Cody. Mary's friends telling her, you know, to that. she that she is much better off without him because even this is six months after the release. And you can tell she's still kind of hanging on a little bit. Yes. Oh, yeah.
00:00:47 Speaker_04
Yeah. So and then and then they pick Lakai, the famous, the famous place that we know from season one. Yeah, and they're sitting outside all by themselves like
00:01:01 Speaker_05
Yeah, it was a little strange, but yeah.
00:01:02 Speaker_04
All right, so we're going to because there's sort of three main stories that are being told. There's Mary with her friends at Lakai. There is Christine and all the dress shopping and cake and the prep for that.
00:01:19 Speaker_04
And then there's the final part, which is Robin and her daughters. Yeah, so we're just going to go section by section. So let's start with Mary at Lakai.
00:01:33 Speaker_05
Now, her friends, who have the weirdest spellings. I know, neither of them spell their name. So Andrea, which is spelled A-N-D-R-E-A-H. She is, I think, wasn't she the one that Mary spent Christmas with? She said she used to babysit her.
00:01:52 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think that's her.
00:01:54 Speaker_05
I believe that's her. So she's like younger. Yes, especially if Mary used to babysit her. And then Hillary, spelled H-I-L-L-A-R-E-E, is one of her newer friends. And she's got a lot of opinions. Yeah, well, I'm kind of with Hillary. No, I'm with them.
00:02:13 Speaker_05
Yeah. I mean, they both grew up in polygamy. But, well, this is confusing because first she said that Andrea had sister wives, but then she left that situation.
00:02:28 Speaker_05
But then later on in the lunch, Andrea was saying, well, well, I'm not part of that, or I'm not into that or something. Maybe she means that was in the past. I don't know.
00:02:40 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think that they're both raised in it. Andrea did, I think, maybe dabbled in it. Hillary never did. But they have this awareness. And now they're
00:02:52 Speaker_04
They're, you know, and apparently these are the women that were sitting out in the car when she was going to get her release. Yeah. So very. Yeah. Wow. Again, two people, you know, these people just show up. I don't know.
00:03:07 Speaker_04
I don't know if people just say, oh, I don't want to be on camera or there's no need for them to be on camera. But again, we just see so many of Mary's friends that come out of the woodwork.
00:03:15 Speaker_05
Yeah. So Hillary's first question is, you know, have you fucked any men? Mary's like, well, not yet. That was funny. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:32 Speaker_05
Because, but Hillary is very, well, both of them are very honest with her and cause she's, she's still, you know, uh, doesn't seem to, I don't want to say she's not over code. I don't know. She's still kind of clinging on to something.
00:03:49 Speaker_04
Yeah, well, she I think she's still processing a lot. But I have a note here, which is these women get Cody, like they got him, they get him, they see him, they understand him.
00:04:04 Speaker_04
And that's the one thing I was just wondering, I mean, it's been six months, so maybe, but they're being very direct with her and very, You know, and I don't know if that's, I don't think Mary's there yet.
00:04:17 Speaker_04
I think Mary, you know, I think it's just going to take her a bit more time because, you know, even though what we've been watching is, God, Mary, get out of this. You know, it could be so much better.
00:04:30 Speaker_04
I really think that she truly believed that eventually she and Cody would make it work and get back together. And it's hard to let go of that dream. You had a dream in your mind that you believed in for, you know, decades.
00:04:44 Speaker_04
So to give that up, that's hard.
00:04:47 Speaker_05
Yeah. And I thought, you know, from last week with the moving and all that kind of stuff, I thought, you know, she was a little bit closer, but no, she she makes statements during this lunch that
00:04:59 Speaker_05
she thought that it would get to a point where, you know, yeah, everyone would just make everything work out. Or, mm hmm.
00:05:07 Speaker_04
Yeah, she's, but yeah, Andrea was like, the minute he married Robin, he stopped caring about anyone else. Yeah, like, Oh, okay.
00:05:16 Speaker_05
Yeah, you're that Cody pops on to say, and anyone who who thinks that is just coming from a place of recency bias.
00:05:27 Speaker_04
Where'd you come up with that fancy term? Yeah, I know. I thought that was funny. Of course, we have to hear from Cody. But, you know, this whole idea of like my attitude didn't change, but it's like, but that's not really what they're talking about.
00:05:41 Speaker_04
They're not talking about your attitude. What they're really talking about is like how you showed up your intentions every day. And if you had strong feelings for one person,
00:05:52 Speaker_04
And those were the your feelings and you were not managing, you know, you were not managing them, then yeah, that's what people are going to pick up. The whole recency bias thing is it's like, huh, it's got nothing to do with it.
00:06:04 Speaker_04
It was, he just won't take any ownership. Not one iota of ownership that maybe, you know, that he did treat, he does treat Robin differently. He can't own that at all.
00:06:18 Speaker_05
You know, well, I kind of felt, I felt sorry for Mary in this scene because she just seemed, you know, her friends are really trying to pump her up and say, you know, you're a great person and, you know, you deserve better than this.
00:06:33 Speaker_05
And, you know, he's, one of them says, he'll miss you when he realizes what he lost. And she says, you think, you know, she's kind of being vulnerable. And, uh, yeah, I just felt, I felt badly for her.
00:06:47 Speaker_04
Yeah. Well, I'm sorry.
00:06:50 Speaker_05
I was just gonna say, you know, it made me realize how deep Mary is into this religion and this. She just, you know, I think the others have been able to let it go more. She really, I think she's still feeling just, she feels like a failure.
00:07:12 Speaker_05
And I think it's the pressure of the, she doesn't want, I don't think she really, course, she didn't really want to leave Cody, she kind of had to, you know, she, she had no other choice. Yeah. Yeah, she really she wanted this.
00:07:30 Speaker_05
She wanted to stay in this family and, you know, be part of this family.
00:07:35 Speaker_04
Well, and also some of the things that her friends are saying to her, listen, I'm not, not criticizing the friends per se saying that they're not being honest with her. But I think they are being they're being honest with her.
00:07:47 Speaker_04
I think they're being a little too direct without any kind of softening to anything, you know, very straightforward, and you got to soften things. But also this whole thing of like, one day he'll realize what he lost, he will miss you.
00:07:59 Speaker_04
It's like, I feel like with that, it's almost like Mary, she knows that's not true. Do you know what I mean? And that's like, don't know he's, he's not going to he's not going to do that.
00:08:11 Speaker_04
I think he's gonna have moments and happy memories and all of that. But No. And that's not what she needs to hear. You know what I mean? That one day he'll realize that you were the one.
00:08:21 Speaker_04
What she really needs to hear is about, right, this is your opportunity to figure out who you are and what you want and what do you want for the rest of your life. And now you can do that.
00:08:32 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's all centered on the loss.
00:08:35 Speaker_04
Yes, not the not what she's gaining the future opportunity.
00:08:38 Speaker_05
Yeah, exactly.
00:08:39 Speaker_04
Yeah. Or that, you know, he's going to be sorry or whatever it is. It's like, no. Because Mary needs to go out and meet someone who's really that she's, she's going to be their number one.
00:08:51 Speaker_04
She needs to look for that not for someone who's just going to feel bad. You know that they divorced you. 10 years later, you know what I mean? Someone who really sees your value in the here and now. So yeah.
00:09:03 Speaker_05
Yeah. And then, then Hillary and Andrea really, you know, they kind of start badmouthing polygamy and talking about, because again, Mary's sort of half defending it.
00:09:14 Speaker_05
And they're saying, you know, that, you know, this is religion tells you, you have to suffer to go to heaven. And, you know, to be fearful of your thoughts. And then you get Mary saying that she thinks there's a way polygamy can work.
00:09:34 Speaker_05
And they're like, no. Andrea says she doesn't know anyone who's happy in polygamy. Mary, give it up. Give it up. Give up defending it. And she also says she hasn't talked to anyone in her family about it, about the divorce.
00:09:50 Speaker_04
Oh, in her immediate family? I think I was thinking of the family family, like Janelle and Christine. That didn't even register with me. That's interesting.
00:10:00 Speaker_05
Well, yeah, I'm not sure what family she's talking about. Is she talking about her siblings or is she talking about Janelle and Christine? Well, she told, she did have a conversation with Janelle about it, but I don't know.
00:10:19 Speaker_04
Yeah. I mean, and I think, you know, Mary, I just thought it was really huge when Mary said, you know, it worked because he didn't have to be around me that much.
00:10:28 Speaker_04
Yeah, you know, and I think that's the piece that they need to separate what she really needs to start talking about as herself, not her in relationship to Cody and what he believes or what he thinks. That's, that's the religion.
00:10:43 Speaker_04
That's the old way, you know, and that's why and again, but these women also grew up in it. So yeah,
00:10:51 Speaker_05
I know. So Mary is still, she's still got a long way to go. Yeah.
00:10:57 Speaker_04
But do you get a flashback, though, of them at LaCaille? You know, for their 20th anniversary?
00:11:05 Speaker_05
Yeah, the vulgarity. Oh, God, the vulgarity.
00:11:09 Speaker_04
Yes. Yes. Um, but yeah, and Mary talks about this. I mean, I think that the jealousy piece has been talked about on the show in a lot of different ways.
00:11:23 Speaker_04
But I, I finally feel like we're now really digging into it because she's talking about how Cody would dismiss her feelings, you know, which is what he was, you know, he's dismissing her feelings in that moment of saying, you know, it's bad or wrong to be jealous.
00:11:38 Speaker_04
And but if the roles were reversed, you know, I can't even, I'm not even going to put myself there. That's basically, he says, I'm not even going to think that because that is so disgusting.
00:11:47 Speaker_05
Yeah. Yeah. Again, yeah. So it's okay for the women to suffer, but not the men. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:57 Speaker_04
The women have to suffer the most. I mean, right. Everyone has to suffer, but especially the women.
00:12:03 Speaker_05
Yeah, they just have to suffer through it. And you know, ironically, I mean, that was wasn't that season? That was season one. Season one. Yeah. with the two of them.
00:12:12 Speaker_05
When they're bringing in Robin and on the one, they're talking out of both sides of their mouth, one hand, you know, they're talking about how, Oh, this is so exciting. We love Robin.
00:12:23 Speaker_05
And then behind the other side of the out of the other side of the mouth, you've got Mary saying she's jealous. And you've got Christine saying she thinks this is a horrible idea. Yeah. The denial, the just the
00:12:41 Speaker_05
Hmm, the mental gymnastics that have gone on. Well, yeah, I don't know if there's much more to say.
00:12:47 Speaker_04
Well, we hear, we go back to them later on and Andrea talks about how, you know, religion taught her not to express herself and she just feared everything and she didn't know her ex enough before they were married, which I think is very much like, you know, Cody didn't know Robin was the longest courtship.
00:13:07 Speaker_04
You know, so yeah, again, This is these very common things where people get married very quickly. They don't know each other. You are taught to be fearful. Hillary was the 85th grandchild. That is so crazy. That's a lot.
00:13:25 Speaker_04
And then, you know, that's what, is it Hillary that says this thing, I don't have to wonder if my husband enjoys sleeping with another woman or another wife more, right?
00:13:34 Speaker_04
That's, I don't have to wonder if he's going to provide enough for me versus another wife.
00:13:40 Speaker_04
and yeah that's i was just writing some things down about like so much of this is about survival you know and that your survival like am i gonna have enough to live am i gonna have this and it's also your emotional survival am i am i being seen am i being loved am i am i just like a bother to you um
00:14:01 Speaker_04
And that's the thing, you can't really find or connect with other people at all, because you're constantly, you know, in this state of survival, which is really not the way to happiness or happy life.
00:14:11 Speaker_04
But that that, you know, what all of these women experienced. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, they just basically all go on to talk about how you know, divorce is bad. And then I was watching them. Were they all eating salmon?
00:14:28 Speaker_04
They all have this pink thing on their plate. And Mary looked like she'd eaten hers, but not really. And neither of the other two women.
00:14:35 Speaker_04
And it was just, it was very, I mean, obviously, they put them outside for the cameras and all that, you know, but it was editing.
00:14:43 Speaker_05
Yeah. Because at one point, two of them had their their meals and Mary didn't. But then another scene, they all were eating the same thing. And then there was some charcuterie board. I don't know.
00:14:57 Speaker_04
I miss the charcuterie board. Okay. So that's pretty much it. I mean, that's Mary. That's where she's at. Do we know in the timeline, where this is? So we're now in because it's warm outside. We're like probably summertime 2023. Yeah.
00:15:16 Speaker_04
And so when does she meet that guy Amos? Is that towards the end of this of 20 it's 2023 when she meets him or 2024?
00:15:25 Speaker_05
Well, Christine got married in October 2023. Yes. So I believe that she met him like before Christine got married. So it's right around I think in this time period. Okay, so she meets him in a couple months. Interesting. Well, I don't know.
00:15:46 Speaker_05
I know I may have already met him and broken up with him. This time space continuum of this show is something that I will never understand. Yeah.
00:15:59 Speaker_04
I'm just sort of mentally where where she at. Okay. All right. Mary's trying to figure out how to worthy up. So let's go to Christine. You know, what I hate the most is watching people try on wedding wedding dresses.
00:16:15 Speaker_05
And everyone commenting like all the comments. Oh my God, I never ever do that. No, I would just be like, shut the fuck up. I don't want all you people got. I mean, got my Kelty.
00:16:31 Speaker_04
All of it. You know, can I just tell you, I tried on maybe five, six dresses, narrowed it down to two. And then I think mom was with me the first time and then I brought you back as like, okay, let me, you know, let me try on the two I like the most.
00:16:45 Speaker_04
And then, you know, we made a decision and that was it. I just moved on with my life. You know what I mean? I don't, you want to get, you know, it's a bonding thing. You want to get people's opinions.
00:16:55 Speaker_04
If you're a mother, you obviously want to be a part of it. It's exciting, but It's only exciting for those people. It's not exciting for anybody else. It is not good TV. And I know there's like say yes to the dress has been on forever.
00:17:09 Speaker_04
But I just don't understand how these shows last. This is so boring. Who cares? I don't know. Just me.
00:17:14 Speaker_05
No, I agree. I think Christine, she already knew. She basically already knew what her dress was going to be I think she probably planned to have it custom made all along. Yeah, they had to film this thing. This was just part of the production.
00:17:29 Speaker_05
You know, they had to do this thing for television. And, and she just tried on whatever dress because she said to everyone, I'll try on anything you pick out for me. So everyone picked out a dress. And she tried them all on.
00:17:42 Speaker_05
She didn't even like most of them.
00:17:44 Speaker_04
You know, and they were all kind of they all felt very similar. And none of them were not one was flattering. No, and not one felt like Christine. And all of it was just she kept picking the most unflattering things for her body type.
00:18:01 Speaker_04
Um, you know, all of it and and everyone's like, Oh, my God, it's so amazing and beautiful and all this stuff.
00:18:06 Speaker_04
And she's she's trying on all these dresses that have that kind of Madonna kind of bust, lacy kind of thing, which I feel like kind of was a trend 10 years ago.
00:18:18 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean, some of the dresses were nice, but some of them were just really, very ugly. And, um, Okay, can we talk about that? She showed up there in this pink pantsuit that looked like it was designed just so she could show off her tattoo.
00:18:39 Speaker_05
And it came down so low, like too low in order to see the tattoo. And half her boob was hanging out. Yeah, it's kind of like, okay.
00:18:51 Speaker_04
She really loves that tattoo. She does, and she really loves a one sleeve, one shoulder kind of look. Because we see next week. Yeah, she's wearing the same thing in a dress version. Yeah. And we've seen her in press with something very similar to this.
00:19:10 Speaker_05
It's all about the tattoo. She gets these dresses made, designed around it. So we can all see it.
00:19:18 Speaker_04
Yes, yes. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't take this. So excited. I know. I didn't take any notes. Like Aspen's happy for her. They're glad she gets that, you know, everyone's happy. Janelle showed up.
00:19:32 Speaker_04
Because production said Maddie came from North Carolina to be a part of it. And yeah, I mean, David's mom who's like 92. Yeah, she was there and her kit and some of his kids. Yeah. And all of her kids. And yeah, everyone was there.
00:19:52 Speaker_05
And then of course we have to flashback to her first wedding dress and how, I feel bad saying it was an awful dress, because Annie made the dress, but couldn't even come to the wedding because she had already left the church.
00:20:04 Speaker_04
Well, you know, when you have to have a high neck, long sleeves, and it hit the floor, how many options do you really have? Not a lot. You don't. You really don't.
00:20:16 Speaker_05
Yeah, she did the best that she could. You know, it wasn't it just wasn't it wasn't flattering because it wasn't because, you know, Chris, it's not like Christine was that big.
00:20:27 Speaker_05
It was just this tent of a dress that had no, you know, it had no shape in the middle. you know, just put some darts in the back or, you know, a little bit of a waistline.
00:20:41 Speaker_05
Look going there and it would have been okay, you know, for a polygamous wedding.
00:20:48 Speaker_04
But but she's not a polygamous anymore. This is this is Christine, a new Christine, single Christine shows her boobs.
00:20:57 Speaker_05
And then we get this random cutaway to Robin saying, a wedding dress is a big deal. Shut up. We don't want to hear from you. Miss, you know, I picked the dress, you know, went behind everyone's back and pretended that they were helping her.
00:21:20 Speaker_05
Cody picked the dress.
00:21:22 Speaker_04
Well, yeah, and then we have to go through the whole thing with Janelle. Honestly, I think Janelle had the best wedding dress. I love that green dress. I thought that was a great dress on her. And I thought it was cute.
00:21:30 Speaker_04
And but she's always like, Oh, I didn't have one.
00:21:32 Speaker_04
And, you know, and it was interesting, because I didn't realize like, I, I knew that her mom converted to the religion, but I didn't know that it was like she went the Janelle's mom went to Janelle's wedding to stop the wedding and then met when no, no, no, she when she got married to Cody, she had been her
00:21:50 Speaker_05
Her mom had married Wynn three months earlier. Her mom went to Wyoming or Montana, wherever they were living, went there because she was concerned that Janelle was joining us or something.
00:22:09 Speaker_05
So she went to Cody's parents' place to meet them and met Wynn. fell in love, they got married, then three months after they got married, Cody and Janelle got married.
00:22:21 Speaker_04
Oh, I thought, I thought Janelle and Cody got married first and then they were after. Okay, that's how I interpreted the story. Okay.
00:22:29 Speaker_04
Yeah, so then we learned that she's going to, you know, just take bits and pieces of everything that she liked, which was exactly what she described in the beginning, she described this one dress, she tried on a bunch of dresses that did not meet that at all, and then told us she's going to design the thing that she really wants.
00:22:44 Speaker_05
So yeah, deep plunge off the shoulder, but a little sleeve, form fitting, long, no veil.
00:22:53 Speaker_04
So which is pretty much what she ended up with.
00:22:55 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean, I liked her dress. I think It was, I think what happened was I think she must have lost weight in between her last fitting and the wedding day because it's the dress. It was a form fitting dress, but it seemed loose on her.
00:23:12 Speaker_05
I don't think she may have lost weight or something, but I liked the dress. I thought it was, yeah. pretty.
00:23:19 Speaker_04
And you know, the thing is, is that the dress is about the person, you have to love it. Like it has to feel like you know, so then let's go back to so then the second scene we see with Christine is all about the cake tasting.
00:23:36 Speaker_05
Yes.
00:23:36 Speaker_04
So and everybody is there today. Now. Well, it's truly, truly was there.
00:23:43 Speaker_05
I don't think it was truly at the dress shop. I don't remember her, but she might have been. But truly has one of the best lines in the show because I forget if it was, who was sitting next to David on the other side? Was it his daughter?
00:24:05 Speaker_05
Anyway, someone asked David if he's going to have a groom's cake. Yes, I remember this. Then of course, McKelty says, well, yeah, if it was, like boobs, you should have like a boob cake and Trulie said, what if it was your boobs? Oh, she said that?
00:24:22 Speaker_05
And not Oh, I thought McKelty said that.
00:24:24 Speaker_04
Okay. She said the first part. Trulie said the second part. And then they start talking about how that's inappropriate. I'm like, Christine, these are your two kids.
00:24:35 Speaker_05
Yeah, these are your kids who are always saying these inappropriate things.
00:24:40 Speaker_04
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:41 Speaker_05
Laugh at them.
00:24:42 Speaker_04
I want to talk about the cake lady for a second here. That woman was so baked. I mean, I think she was like, Oh God, I'm gonna be on camera. I'm gonna smoke a little weed. And then she got too high. The one in the hot pink, with the hot pink outfit.
00:24:55 Speaker_04
Yeah, she just seemed so out of it. And she's like, here's the red velvet. And then here's this and then here's this and then here's this like she just seemed so high. Or something was up. I don't know. I don't know if you picked up on that.
00:25:10 Speaker_05
Yeah, she just her. She had this weird monotone voice. Yeah.
00:25:17 Speaker_04
or she was just really uncomfortable or maybe that's who she is but it was just it was kind of like you're on tv your it's you your job is about weddings and a special occasion and it's cake who doesn't love cake like why are you bummed out like why are you upset right now i don't understand this
00:25:34 Speaker_04
so anywho maybe she was nervous yes yes but it's so funny when christine was talking about like fondant because i will tell you when steve and i were looking at cakes for our wedding this fondant thing is such a division with these bakers because there's bakers that use fondant and there's bakers that don't
00:25:52 Speaker_04
And there's always this whole, like the non-fondant using ones feel very superior to the other ones. The fondant is gross. Yeah, it is. And you don't want to eat it. It's really about design.
00:26:05 Speaker_05
But then when they cut the cake, but it's on it, so you have to pick it off. I've seen cakes that are covered in fondant.
00:26:16 Speaker_04
Oh, I don't know if I've had that many fondant cakes, but Steve being the foodie he is, refused fondant. It had to be fresh.
00:26:23 Speaker_05
But they're doing this naked cake, which is just partial frosting, and then they're going to put flowers on it. I don't want that. I want all the frosting. The best part.
00:26:34 Speaker_04
Yeah, but there are times that there is too much frosting. But what but what you're really talking about is it's almost like cream cheese on a bagel over cream cheese. So then that person can like, configure it the way they want to.
00:26:46 Speaker_04
And that's the same thing with cake. If you don't want a lot of frosting, just scrape it off.
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So, but of course, David doesn't know what a naked cake is. So there's all these like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, you know, I think I thought it was a woman gonna pop out of the cake. I thought it was this or that.
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And again, I don't I don't think it's weird that David doesn't know what a naked cake is.
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No, that's, um, we're all just kind of laughing, not common knowledge. I really wasn't sure what it meant when she first said it. But then I'm like, oh, I think I saw the pictures of the cakes where it was kind of lightly frosted on the outside.
00:28:40 Speaker_04
So they did end up choosing three cakes, but this was the most interesting thing, was talking about how when they were trying to decide which cake was what, it's David that was just like, well, why don't we get all three?
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And she just talks about how David makes everything easy. David makes it, like, because David, you know what it is? David doesn't care. Not that he doesn't care about her, but I think he sort of sees, like, I think David,
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I get the sense when she's talking about this, I get the sense that maybe Cody made a big deal about everything, and that David really finds the hills that he's gonna die on, which is much more effective when you pick and choose your battles, versus like, okay, fine, let's pick three kicks.
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I also get the sense that I think David has more money, so maybe it might be a financial piece of this too, but yeah, I mean,
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She talks about that, of how easy he makes it, and then she gets into this whole thing, which is something else I hadn't thought about, which is how weird it is for her to have to confer with someone on so many things, because she was doing so much on her own.
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She had to make a bunch of decisions on her own.
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Right, because Cody wasn't around. Yeah. She said something along the lines of, he just made everything so difficult that it was best to just keep him out.
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keep him out of it, you know, because, because remember back when they were picking the cake for, Oh God, yeah, there were secret, there were secret votes, secret votes. And then he, he said that basically, Oh, remember he tried to vote twice. Yeah.
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And basically he was saying that we're going to pick the cake that I want.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm going to make this happen. And he didn't care about Yeah, David does not care. Like he doesn't care. He just wants Christine to be happy. And not have to choose a cake if she likes three, you know, he doesn't care. Yeah.
00:30:37 Speaker_04
No. Yeah, it is. I mean, and that is so true that the difference between someone who needs to be right and the center versus the someone who can live with not being right or the center of attention. But then this is where we get Cody talking about how
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He's saying, Christine's going around saying that dad has a soulmate and that's Robin. And I'm mad because she's saying this to the other wives and the kids. And, you know, how dare she do that?
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But then in the next breath, he says, well, but I'm willing to accept this now.
00:31:11 Speaker_05
Yeah. He's like, I'm inclined to believe in it now. Okay, well, then why are you complaining? Because because trash talking him to everybody, because he said was, actually, I thought it was kind of nice. Yeah. Dad has a soulmate.
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And I want to find my soulmate. Yeah. What's wrong with that? Yeah, it wasn't even negative to Cody.
00:31:32 Speaker_04
No, but I think it's the religion and everything they that's been pounded into them all these years of, you know, you're not supposed to have favorites, you're not supposed to do this, you're not supposed to do that, right? All of those things.
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I think that's the piece that he's, reacting to much more than the other parts of it. but it is, you know, he's, he, i don't know, he's just so, he is
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He keeps claiming he's getting better with the anger, but he's still so angry and everything that anytime someone says something he doesn't like, he's back to that same, they're trash talking me, they're trash talking me, all of this crapola.
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It's exhausting.
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It is. It is. Everyone's exhausted by COVID.
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Yeah.
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That's why they all have to get away from him.
00:32:23 Speaker_04
Okay, and that's pretty much their stuff. God, is the rest of the season going to be Christine in this shopping and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:32:32 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean, well, they already got the venue picked out, she got the cake, the dress, what else is there left to do? I'm sure there'll be some wedding drama.
00:32:41 Speaker_05
Oh, yeah, the flowers and the decorations and the well and also like who's sitting with whom, right?
00:32:48 Speaker_04
If they're doing table seats, that that's another always a big one. But yeah, hopefully you're we're sending out the invitations. Hopefully this is like, we get very little of this because this isn't this isn't very interesting.
00:33:00 Speaker_04
I'd much rather watch Christine at home with David and watch the dynamic with him and truly then watch this.
00:33:07 Speaker_05
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I think this is going to be the rest of the season for her because what else? I mean, yeah, unless they do kind of show their home life more. But yeah, what else is she doing? This is her life right now.
00:33:22 Speaker_05
She's planning this wedding. Yeah. I guess so. And there's no other babies that are going to be born or...
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Yeah. You forget sometimes like, oh, that's right. The show is her job. So, you know, she's not she's not working. Like, you know, when we see her, she's working.
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So I guess she's just doing exactly what the producers tell her like, this is what we want to see.
00:33:46 Speaker_05
This is not Yeah, she's not part of the coyote past thing. Mm hmm. Yeah. This is it. This is this is our story. All right. Now, this last storyline is so set up fake as hell. Yeah.
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We're back in Flagstaff with Robin, who, you know, does she only wear like business casual? I think she was wearing some jeans, but she always wears those. tops, you know, business casual tops.
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I have a few that I wear, you know, for work sometimes, but that's all she wears.
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Yeah, I think maybe that's who she I think that's who she is. I mean, I think that she wants to still be modest to a certain extent. And those shirts are because we wear them for work. So they're not sexy. They're not meant to be that.
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And I think she loves a pattern. loves a pattern.
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And so I think it just sort of satisfies her and listen, you know, maybe she's wearing t shirts and tank tops or something when we're not, you know, when she's not filming, but I think this is kind of who I think this is her style.
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Yeah, you know, just put like, Cody outside with the gloves and the you know, I just think this is what they like and the visor.
00:35:12 Speaker_05
Yeah, well, she starts out saying that she's going through an identity crisis. She feels like she's disappeared. Yes, her future. Her future has disappeared. Disappeared.
00:35:26 Speaker_04
So what is she going to do now? The first thing she says is, oh, Mary moved back to Parowan and I'm just having such a hard time with it. It's like, huh? How? You didn't you didn't see her. You didn't see her when she was there. No.
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And you just saw her recently. She just gave you a check.
00:35:47 Speaker_05
Yeah, she was just at your house. Yeah. Not that long ago.
00:35:52 Speaker_04
Yeah, it's so like, I don't know, you know, it's like, God, do you live in the comment section? Do you just say things that you feel like the audience like you feel like this is the right thing to say is I miss Mary?
00:36:05 Speaker_05
Well, this is her whole thing is that she wanted the sister wives, you know, on the porch, this polygamy, blah, blah, blah. She's never gonna let that go. She's never going to admit that, you know,
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she Well, I was gonna say she's never gonna admit that she just wants Cody to herself, but she didn't.
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She always had Cody to herself the minute she came on the scene, you know, and, but she liked, like thinking that she was, you know, part of this family and that this special thing, I don't know.
00:36:44 Speaker_04
Again, I maintain that I think Robin, likes the sister wives, she wants it so badly because she wants to be the favorite in a group of women. So she can be the favorite. If all these women are gone, it's just her.
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Yeah, it's just her. And she was able to, I think she got satisfaction of being able to control the family, you know, her clandestine practices of, we're controlling the family. Well, now it's not fun anymore. Yeah. controlling Cody.
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Well, yeah, control other people through Cody, you know, and also, Cody's so angry. You know, he's so angry. He's flipping out. He's having such a hard time.
00:37:28 Speaker_04
And I'm sure taking it out on her, because there's no other wives that like, that's the other flip side of it is maybe Cody never took his anger or frustration out on Robin. Maybe she never saw any of that. And
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And he took it out on someone else, maybe Christine, right? So now she's getting all she's getting the full Monty. She's getting it all with him. And there is no one else to compare her to. And that's very different.
00:37:52 Speaker_04
So yeah, let's talk about a super fake scene.
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Yeah, well, allegedly. Well, they have Cody leaves with Sol and Ari because they just need to get out of the house. So they so that Robin can have this fake discussion. And allegedly Brianna and Aurora want to join a church.
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They miss being part of a church.
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And then she says that they're both in college, which I knew they were both in college, but it kind of stunned me because I'm just thinking to myself, oh my God, these two girls are in college and they're living at home and asking permission to go to a church.
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Yeah, well, God, what a what a pathetic life.
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But yeah, and that this is the most this is the most exciting thing that can happen to you. I was like 23 or something. And Brianna is like 21.
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I mean, they're, they should be here. Yeah.
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But yeah, we learned that Aurora misses church, Brianna misses church, and you know what, Robin misses church. Oh, yes, everyone misses church.
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When did they last go to church? Well, we saw the scenes, Vegas. Yeah, but she yeah, she said, well, that was home church. Yeah. And she said it wasn't very good. And then cut to Cody trying to give a sermon and everyone falling asleep.
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you know, hitting each other, whatever. I mean, yeah, the only place where they had the church was in Utah. And they, Robin only lived in Utah for what, a year? Mm-hmm. Well, with them or Lehigh, yeah. So yeah, she misses church.
00:39:44 Speaker_05
Honey, it's been like 12 years since you've been to a church.
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Yeah. If you really wanted to go, you could figure it out. Yeah. You really could. So, but she's very worried about our children not having religion. I noticed.
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Okay. Robin's eyebrows were, you know, always on full display. I think the girls are starting to pencil in their eyebrows too.
00:40:09 Speaker_05
Oh, because I was looking at them and they looked not as bad as Robin, but they looked like, you know, they've got the eyebrow pencils. So you think it's pencils or microblading? I think it's a pencil.
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Because if it is a microblading, she needs to get her money back because that's it's a horrible they're not even even you know what I mean? And I saw someone one of Layla's friends just had had that done.
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Maybe I might look into it because well, at first she showed me the picture of when they first did it. And it looked like Robins, you know, but hair, you know, Robin, you don't even see any hairs. It's just looks like it's literally like painted.
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But it calms down. A couple weeks later now, you look at her and you still kind of go, huh, what's going on with her eyebrows? But eventually, it takes several weeks for it to settle in. But it looks good. It's a lot younger. I don't know.
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My eyebrows are so thin from all the years of plucking and waxing. I don't think anything.
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You know what it is? It's the upkeep of it. It's like, well, because I noticed in the confessionals that Robin's wearing fake eyelashes. And that's, I used to do the extensions, and I loved the way it looked. It looked amazing.
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But the upkeep of the eyelash extensions, and I think micro, because the woman that did my eyelashes also did the microblading, and I would, I have really big bushy eyebrows, so she didn't suggest it to me.
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But I was asking her about it, and it's like every, like the maintenance of it, it's expensive, and then like every three months, like once you get on that train, it's hard to get off.
00:41:51 Speaker_05
I can't take that on.
00:41:52 Speaker_04
Yeah, so don't do it.
00:41:54 Speaker_05
Okay, I'm not going to, but I do think that they're overdoing it with the eyebrow pencils.
00:42:04 Speaker_04
Anyway, Breonna, the whole thing is Breonna, more than missing church, she wants to start dating some guys. Yeah. And she wants to date some guys that have the same life goals.
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And what I wonder about this is, is that maybe Breonna is sort of like, okay, the only way I'm going to be able to meet a man because I'm not maybe not allowed to date. I'm not allowed to do any of these other things.
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And, you know, I want to meet somebody. So let me figure out how to do this so that my parents will approve.
00:42:34 Speaker_05
Yeah, she seemed a little desperate. Yeah. And then and I realized, yeah, they're so isolated at home, you know, I'm sure they have rules on them. Like, you know, even though they're both over 20. I'm sure they have like these
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curfews that are, you know, like 10 o'clock curfew, can't do this, can't do that. I mean, yeah, they're so isolated. And, you know, there's Robin's so fearful. And, you know, I'm starting to feel really sorry for them.
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Yeah. And it Yeah, I'm just looking up. Keep going. I'm just gonna look up the actual age of these kids.
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They're saying that they want a community Yeah, they want some friends. They want to start dating. And also, yeah, they need to find guys with traditional values.
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Of course, this is what you know, their words, old fashioned, they can't find guys who have that in college.
00:43:36 Speaker_04
So Aurora, according to Aurora is was born in 2003. So she's Layla's age. Aurora is only 21. She's 21.
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No, she's older than that. She's the same age like as Gabe and Gwen. Gwen is 23. Yeah. She's the exact same age as, okay. She might be a year younger. She's, I think she's 23. Okay. I think I heard that recently. She, and I think that Brianna is like 21.
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All right.
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I'm, I'm, oh my God, the internet's wrong. That's shocking. Hold on. I found a new link. So let me see where. Let me keep looking. God damn it. Yeah, I really feel for these two. Okay, here we go. Gabe is 22. Gwen is 22. This one says Aurora is 21.
00:44:39 Speaker_04
I don't think that's right. I think it's wrong. Isabel is 20. Brianna is 19. So they're saying 20, because the show's been around for close to 15 years, and Aurora's 21, so she was, if she's 21, yeah, no.
00:44:59 Speaker_04
You're right, because she wasn't six when the show started. She was like eight or nine.
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I think that they were all two years apart. They were like six, eight, and 10.
00:45:12 Speaker_04
Okay, so that Brianna was six. Yeah. Do you think Robin's putting out the wrong ages? Do you think she's cutting down the ages to make her daughter seem more eligible?
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So it doesn't seem so weird that they're still living at home. Yeah. Robin has infiltrated the internet to change these birthdates. Because yeah, because I know for sure Gabe and Gwen are 23, probably going on 24.
00:45:37 Speaker_05
Anyway, the point is, these girls are too old. They're legal adults. They're legal adults. One can drink legally. Yeah, I think they both can drink legally. Yeah, they both can drink legally. They should not be living at home. You know what?
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They can live together on campus. Yeah. You know, they can be roommates on campus. And in that whole line, I feel like that was fed to her the line about not being able to meet guys with values or old-fashioned traditional values at college. Please.
00:46:13 Speaker_05
There's all kinds of people at college, okay? Whatever kind of person you want to meet, you can meet. They have church groups on college campuses, all kinds of religion things. I mean, of every religion. So this is just so fake.
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of the season, they're going to be looking at churches.
00:46:37 Speaker_04
Well, maybe the producers went to Robin and said, Listen, lady, you never have storylines. Yeah, you never have. We got Christine out here, naked trying on dresses.
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We've got, you know, Janelle, you know, looking at property, we've got all these other women make God knows Mary sweeping and sweeping and sweeping, you know, so. So everyone else is doing stuff.
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And maybe they said, you know, Robin, you have to do that. And she was like, Okay, let me pick, let me pick a an acceptable quote unquote storyline.
00:47:03 Speaker_05
Um, yeah, and you notice that she's also that I think they're forcing her to let them come into their house and film because yeah, yeah, avoiding they've been avoiding anyone in their house that they've been piggybacking on other people's storylines.
00:47:19 Speaker_05
You know, it's just this has just all been their reaction to like, yeah, leaving or, marry or whatever. Now, now they're just it's just two of them.
00:47:28 Speaker_05
Yeah, we've got to come up with and none of these other people want to film with them, or even be around them unless it's absolutely necessary. Like someone's getting married.
00:47:36 Speaker_04
Yeah, because, because of all the people in this, the five adults, Robin and Cody need the show and the money from the show the most. Christine now is married. And I think David has money. And Mary has got her own business. And so does Janelle.
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So nobody need these two need this show to keep going. So maybe the two of them got together and realized like, Oh, crap. Oh, we've got to do more.
00:48:05 Speaker_04
All right, Brianna, Aurora, you know, but I love how you you had to send out Saul and and Ariel for this conversation. Like, ooh, they can't possibly hear about bid. They overhear this church shopping. You know? Yeah. It was so fake.
00:48:20 Speaker_04
But did you catch this one thing where Robin says, she talks about plural marriage and does plural marriage. They're kind of getting into this whole like plural marriage versus in, you know, single monogamy.
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And she was saying, well, it's not plural marriage. She's saying she blames the individuals.
00:48:35 Speaker_05
She's like, it's the individuals that... That's why the family broke up. Because of the individuals. Because of the individuals. A.K.A. Christine. Yeah. Who started this whole thing. Yeah.
00:48:48 Speaker_05
Yeah, I was like, oh, includes Mary to the person you were begging to stay. Yeah, she's just she's, she's awful. Yeah. And then Cody says, dramatically says, he will remain the maverick because he doesn't want to wear the brand.
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But he does still believe in Jesus. Okay, whatever that means.
00:49:15 Speaker_04
all right well so really quickly next time we see the engagement party we see um mary talking about cody and then this one i thought was really interesting i wrote some notes on this one quick brief thing that we see of robin and cody having a date at that place in the attic to where he just where he had just begged janelle to stay together with him
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and he in that thing he is telling robin i have so much anxiety about you leaving me and i just think this is fascinating that he is very worried and we've heard him say this more than once about like what wait a minute what if robin leaves me um and the thing is is that this is the note i wrote down which is he is so scared even though we can see very clearly like robin's not gonna leave you where's she gonna go you know but
00:50:06 Speaker_04
He is so scared. And you know what it is? It's that he just had three women leave him and he has zero awareness of why. Yeah.
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And so here he is faced with someone else and he's sitting there going, how do I know if I'm doing X, Y, and Z, that's going to be the reason she leaves. And that's the part that I think I kind of felt for Cody of like, God, you have zero awareness.
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You, you know, you, you've never had a chance to even have any awareness because you've been in this whole world for so long.
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And here you are, and you have no idea how to make a marriage with, with one person work, and now you're freaked out, she's gonna leave.
00:50:50 Speaker_05
Yeah, they show I think, in the mid season trailer, they show a scene where he asks her, Oh, will you do monogamy with me? Or do you think you can do monogamy with me?
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And then of course, they I'm sure this is like creative editing, but they then you hear her saying, Well, it's not what I wanted or something. But of course, yeah, like, of course, she's gonna do it. What else is she gonna do? Where's she gonna go?
00:51:18 Speaker_05
They just bought like a newer, bigger house. No, she's not going anywhere. You know, Yeah, they're gonna have to figure out a way to make this show work. Yeah, they can get paid.
00:51:31 Speaker_04
Well, at least it's a lot. It's very entertaining, I have to say, except for the wedding dress, like the wedding prep stuff. But the other stuff is, it's, it's just we get these little nuggets of who that's really interesting.
00:51:43 Speaker_04
Just these little droppings of things with this.
00:51:46 Speaker_05
Well, we have to promote so the next episode that's coming out after this episode, we are we did an interview a couple, Melanie and Corey, who both used to be in the AUB, and they have a YouTube channel. They're on social media.
00:52:10 Speaker_05
It's Notes to Self 444 is their handle. That'll all be in the show notes, but they talk all, they know all the people. They know the Browns. They grew up with them. They are fascinating people. Yeah. Super interesting. Super, super interesting interview.
00:52:31 Speaker_05
And I hope we talk to them again. Yeah. More about this. So you have to, if you're interested in Sister Wives, you have to listen to that. It's really good.
00:52:40 Speaker_04
Yeah, because I feel like I understand the show so much more now. Yeah. After talking to them. Yeah. Like so many of the layers and the things that we're seeing, I just, oh, okay, now that makes so much more sense. And that makes sense, you know.
00:52:55 Speaker_04
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