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Episode: Sister Wives Rewind Replay Episode 17: Season 2 Episodes 7 and 8: "The Brown Family Decision" and "Sister Wives in Holiday Crisis"

Author: Tess & Brooke Brigham
Duration: 00:35:15

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Enjoy this replay of The Psych Legal Pop Podcast Episode 17. This is a very special holiday episode where we discuss Season 2 Episodes 7 and 8. Four months after going public with their polygamist lifestyle the Browns are feeling the heat from the local authorities so they decide to

spend Christmas in a cabin in the snowy mountains just before they make the announcement to the entire family that they are moving out of Utah. Getting 21 people to a remote cabin in the mountains with all of their supplies and Christmas presents is no easy feat, but they end up having a fun time. Happy Holidays!We have a PATREON! click on link below to check out the extra content:PatreonPlease SUBSCRIBE to the podcast and give us a 5-star rating and review.We are on Instagram and TikTok @psychlegalpopEmail: [email protected]#sisterwives #sisterwiveschristmas #sisterwivesseason2 #sisterwives season2episode7 #sisterwivesseason2episode8 #kodybrown #meribrown #janellebrown #christinebrown #robynbrown #tlc #sisterwivestlc #realityTV #psychology #attorney #therapist #law #lawyer #popculture #popularculture #polygamy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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00:00:00 Speaker_00
Hello everyone. Happy holidays. Hello. Happy holidays. So we, this week we are airing some of our classic sister wives Christmas episodes. So for today, Brooke, what are we going to be, what are people going to be listening to today?

00:00:20 Speaker_00
So today we are doing, um, this is from our sister wives rewind. Uh, it's a replay of episode 16 going way back. Um, this is season two, episodes seven and eight. Episode seven is called the Brown family decision.

00:00:39 Speaker_00
And then episode eight is sister wives and holiday crisis. So it actually starts with episode seven. They're still in Lehigh and they've decided Cody and the wives have decided that they're going to leave.

00:00:56 Speaker_00
Lehigh and moved to Las Vegas and they've told the older kids, but they haven't told the younger kids. And so they want to have one last hurrah. They have to break everyone's hearts and spirits.

00:01:09 Speaker_00
And so they decide to go up into the mountains, into this cabin for Christmas. And that's like, and hijinks ensue. Yeah, that's the, mostly the second episode, the, holiday crisis. I don't know, this is a weird episode, but it's a weird episode.

00:01:28 Speaker_00
Yeah, it is. I mean, listen, it's got everything. It really does. It has everything. And my favorite was when I realized that the

00:01:37 Speaker_00
They have been, what's the word, kind of trolling Cody for a long time, these editors, because there's a scene in which they're getting ready to go to the cabin and Robin's talking about how Cody, you know, he has to be so strong.

00:01:49 Speaker_00
He's the leader of this family, you know, the captain can never be weak. And then we get this thing of Cody going, where are my shoes? Where's my stuff? Oh, God. Oh, like freaking out, like trying to pack. I was like, yeah, good leader. What a leader.

00:02:04 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, the thing that I remember most and in a post COVID world, this is really like traumatic. Yeah. There's 21 people in this cabin. Oh, very big. No. And everybody is coughing. Everybody is sick.

00:02:20 Speaker_00
The windows are fogged, you know, because there's just so many people in there and breathing and coughing and it's just like, Ooh, It was traumatic to watch, but yeah, classic, classic Sister Wives Christmas.

00:02:37 Speaker_00
So this is the first of three Christmas episodes we're going to bring you this week and hope you enjoy them as you're going about your holiday activity, whatever that might be. Yes. And happy holidays to everyone. Enjoy. Enjoy. Bye.

00:02:58 Speaker_00
Hello and welcome to the Psych Legal Pop podcast. This is a podcast where we talk about popular culture through the lens of a therapist and an attorney. My name is Brooke Brigham.

00:03:10 Speaker_00
I'm an attorney and I'm here with my sister, Tess Brigham, and I'm the therapist. So this is a little holiday bonus. Yes. Very exciting. Yes. I hope everyone, you know, has a reasonably good holiday. Happy healthy holiday. Yeah.

00:03:26 Speaker_00
Whatever you're celebrating or if you're not celebrating. I hope you're just enjoying a day off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah so we thought we would go back in time and talk about one of the holiday themed episodes from Sister Wives. Yes can't get away from it.

00:03:48 Speaker_00
So we found it's actually two episodes they're only 20 minutes each. So it's kind of like one episode. But it's Season 2, Episodes 7 and 8, The Brown Family Decision, and Sister Wives and Holiday Crisis.

00:04:05 Speaker_00
So this is the beginning, well not really the beginning, I guess the middle of Season 2. They have been out as polygamists for I think they said four months or something. And they're starting to feel a little heat from it.

00:04:24 Speaker_00
And they decide that for Christmas, they want to get away, get out of Utah, and they want to go to this mountain cabin, which sounds like a great idea in theory. until you see what they have to do to get there.

00:04:40 Speaker_00
Southwicke-That's when you see the logistics of it. In this first episode, they do flash on those very special words that come on, which basically says that the DEA is looking into the charges.

00:04:54 Speaker_00
That's the big peril that they're going through as they've been out now. I didn't quite understand what was happening legally.

00:05:02 Speaker_00
Well, what they said was that the local police department, I believe, did an investigation, and then they have turned it over to the county, which I assume means the district attorney. So, that's how it works with crimes.

00:05:20 Speaker_00
The police believe a crime has been committed. They do an investigation.

00:05:24 Speaker_00
They submit it to the district attorney's office, and the district attorney's office decides what to do, if they want to file charges, if they think there's enough evidence, whatever.

00:05:33 Speaker_00
Right now, at this moment in time, as these episodes are being filmed, the DA is looking into the charges. Right. They show a quote from the local newspaper.

00:05:45 Speaker_00
saying that something along the lines of, well, the Browns did us a favor by basically admitting on television that they'd committed multiple felonies. So, those are frightened words. So, I mean, I guess they had reason to be afraid.

00:06:01 Speaker_00
But they want to, and obviously at this point, it's clear that Cody has already decided that the family is going to leave Utah. I don't remember if they even said anything about where they were going, if they said anything about this.

00:06:16 Speaker_00
Yeah, they hadn't said where they were going yet. So, they've told the four or five oldest kids, which would be Logan, Leon, Maddie, Hunter, and Aspen. They've told them that they're moving. They haven't told the younger kids yet.

00:06:35 Speaker_00
So, they want to, I guess, go to this cabin and have one last blast. before it all falls apart. It's a beautiful setting and cabin but it's not for 30 people. No it's not and it feels like it's out in the middle of nowhere.

00:06:53 Speaker_00
It is out in the middle of nowhere. So we do get a little bit of business though before we go to the cabin We see Mary putting lights on her, putting lights on the tree. And then we see the kids pulling names out of a hat.

00:07:08 Speaker_00
We learn that each kid buys a gift for the other kids. And then we go tree shopping. This was my favorite part of the episode. We meet Matt, the frisky tree salesman. He was kind of cute. He was cute. I mean, God knows what's going on.

00:07:23 Speaker_00
He had that hat on the whole time, that big hat. I don't know what the hair situation was. But you know for a Christmas tree lot attendant he was pretty good looking. He was cute and he was very charming.

00:07:35 Speaker_00
I have to say I would have fallen for his charms but Mary was hardcore. Oh they were flirting. She's like do you have any mistletoe? And he's like, oh, yeah, let me try to find you some. And I mean, they were flirting the whole time.

00:07:51 Speaker_00
And then at the end, they hugged. Mary and Matt hugged. Which, you know, don't you hug the person that helps you with your tree? Yeah, that's totally normal. And she was like, oh, there's nothing wrong with hugging and flirting. That's it. Ha, ha, ha.

00:08:09 Speaker_00
Oh, yeah. And they're confessional. They're joking about how there was all this flirting going on. And she's like, well, that's just fun. And then we see Robin. Okay, because I had to clarify this with you. We see Robin making ornaments.

00:08:21 Speaker_00
So she wants to make ornaments for all the kids. She wants to do something special, you know, because she's new to the family and she wants to make a mark, right? And then we get this thing where she kind of then pushes the religious stuff, right?

00:08:33 Speaker_00
Where she wants to give them things that are the reason for the season. Symbols of Christian. Symbols of the season, yeah. So then she puts in a red, what I would assume is a candy cane, but it's solid red, not the red and white.

00:08:47 Speaker_00
And she tells us that is, what was that? I thought she was trying to say it was like a shepherd's staff. And that it was a symbol of Christ pulling the Christ in towards you. The way that a shepherd would pull the sheep towards you.

00:09:03 Speaker_00
So you want to represent a shepherd's staff so you pick red sparkles. Red sparkle candy cane looking thing. Yes. I just thought that was so weird. Well there are ugly ornaments and she's making one for everyone in the whole family.

00:09:19 Speaker_00
So that means every single kid is getting one of these. And that's going to be the whole freaking tree. And they're going to be like, what is this? And she was just, it was trying too hard.

00:09:30 Speaker_00
And then we learn about this tradition where the oldest daughters get to make breakfast for everyone. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. How egalitarian. And then we have, hands down, the funniest moment. I'm sorry.

00:09:42 Speaker_00
And I understand it was a moment of panic for Mary, but So Mary makes everyone pajamas. She's been doing it. We hear it many times since Leon was four years old or two years old. Leon was two. Mary has made all of the kids pajamas.

00:09:58 Speaker_00
So Mary's making her pajamas and all of a sudden she looks out and all of a sudden the police car pulls into her driveway and she panics. She's shaking.

00:10:06 Speaker_00
She's shaking and she gets her phone and calls Cody right away and then the officer pulls out of the driveway and goes back the way he came and then she goes out to look and he's helping somebody who's broken down down the street.

00:10:23 Speaker_00
Keeps making a U-turn in her driveway. Yes. But I feel like, and I understand if I was in your position, I would understand the panic. And what they're really saying is, is that, you know, this is how we're living.

00:10:37 Speaker_00
We're living every time a cop comes near us, he's pulling in and then that pit in your stomach. I understand that. But the way the show made it out to be like... So dramatic. So dramatic with the dramatic music and all of that.

00:10:50 Speaker_00
And they stop it right where Mary says, oh, and then he pulled into the driveway and it's like, you know, next potential. Look, if the police are going to come get you, they're not sending one guy in a patrol car. With you all alone, Mary Seiling.

00:11:10 Speaker_00
It's just so cool. And then they have a talk in a confessional where Christine talks about how her grandfather and his wives were arrested for polygamy and they were all separated. Her grandfather was

00:11:23 Speaker_00
a very high up in this church that they're a part of. So, yeah, it was a high-profile thing probably. I'll make an example out of him. Anyway, but when you prosecute, you break up the family. We hear this a lot.

00:11:40 Speaker_00
Yeah, a lot about they're doing this, they have to move because they don't want their family to get separated. They don't want to break up the family.

00:11:47 Speaker_00
That's the justification they give to the kids and the kids, that gives them something, I guess, to cling on to. But anyway, so they're preparing to go to this mountain house.

00:12:00 Speaker_00
It's like a cabin, but again, it's probably like, what, three bedrooms, maybe? Yeah, it was cute. It was nice. It was completely snowed in. It was way too small. So anyway, they have to

00:12:11 Speaker_00
So because it's out in the middle of nowhere they have to take everything with them. They have to take all the food they're going to need for several days. They're taking all their presents. They're taking the tree they got from Matt.

00:12:23 Speaker_00
And they're all stressed out. They were supposed to leave at 10 a.m. and they end up leaving at 2 o'clock. See this would drive me bonkers and I keep thinking like and Cody's like it's two o'clock we're leaving and there's only three hours of daylight.

00:12:39 Speaker_00
So knowing that your family is so dysfunctional and you have so much stuff to take I get that you don't want to be up at the crack of dawn, but why not load up anything that's non-perishable the day before? It's cold!

00:12:53 Speaker_00
You could even put the perishable stuff in the car overnight because it's the middle of winter. It's cold there. And then to complicate things further, they only have one four-wheel drive car that can make it all the way to the cabin.

00:13:09 Speaker_00
So I think they take four or five cars. they have to leave the regular two-wheel drive cars at the bottom and then make multiple trips. They didn't say how many trips. I would love to know how many trips. They must have been doing that for hours.

00:13:22 Speaker_00
15 trips. They had to take every person, all their stuff, and they had so much stuff. Every car was packed to the gills with stuff. And they show Cody driving on this road and he's slipping and sliding all over the place. The road is just pure snow.

00:13:40 Speaker_00
It doesn't even look like... I'm sure there's no salt or anything on it. It's just like snow. Just driving on snow. And so they get there. It's the middle of the night. We're such Californianers. We're like, ugh, God, snow, just snow.

00:13:53 Speaker_00
What are we going to do? That's terrible. No, I'm afraid of snow. I don't think I've ever driven it. I've never driven the snow and I never want to. That's why we live very close to Lake Tahoe and I will not go there in the winter.

00:14:09 Speaker_00
I'll go there in the summer, but I'm afraid of the snow. I don't know how to act or drive or do anything. I actually, Steve and I have gone, and Steve's from the East Coast, so he knows how to drive in snow.

00:14:20 Speaker_00
So, you need to get someone from the East Coast with you who's driven in snow. But it's not fun. It's still scary and still awful. So, anywho. It was just a mess. And you're watching this whole thing knowing, God, you guys must be exhausted, hungry.

00:14:35 Speaker_00
They're so stressed out. Everyone is like snapping at each other. And it's a tiny place. Sorry to interrupt, but it's such a tiny place that they're showing the stuff loading in.

00:14:45 Speaker_00
And can you imagine like being someone at the kitchen where your kids probably like, And you're like where's the food? And it's jammed. The place literally every inch of the living room, kitchen area was just covered with stuff. It was bad.

00:15:06 Speaker_00
I think they eventually got it all sorted out. But when they first got there it was total chaos. Then they had to bring the Christmas tree in. Then we're not done. To top it all off they are getting these snowmobiles.

00:15:19 Speaker_00
And apparently the guy at the bottom of the mountain who rents the snowmobiles is It's been waiting all day for them. Of course, they were supposed to leave at 10. You know that Cody said, OK, we're going to leave at 10.

00:15:33 Speaker_00
I don't think this place was that far. I think Cody probably told them, we'll be there around noon. They probably got there at 4 or 5, and then they've been loading for two hours. It's 8 o'clock at night. This guy's been waiting for eight hours.

00:15:50 Speaker_00
Yeah, poor guy. I hope he got paid well for this. They all had to go. and get these snowmobiles. And of course Janelle can't go because she's got to take care of the babies. So Logan, I have to commend Logan.

00:16:09 Speaker_00
Maybe he's very different privately and we're just seeing. I don't know. This guy is so calm, so agreeable. They put so much on him all the time. Him and Aspen. And Aspen is so sweet and so agreeable. These two, they so lucked out with those two.

00:16:26 Speaker_00
They really did. Because they got two people that are really good kids. And they're another set of parents. Yes, they are. I don't know what they'd do without them, quite frankly. And it's very dramatic. And then at this moment, Robin,

00:16:41 Speaker_00
She takes a moment she looks around and she looks at all the children and she goes nobody can take Christmas away from you. Yeah and you know Robin was such a Pollyanna in this episode.

00:16:53 Speaker_00
She was really getting on my nerves and there was a lot of emotional performances like Cody got choked up at one point because I guess he's really scared and he's responsible for all these people. And I get it. That's a lot.

00:17:16 Speaker_00
But at the same time I'm kind of like well what did you think was going to happen when you went on this TV show? And also what did you think was going to happen when you decided to marry three women? Do you know what I mean?

00:17:29 Speaker_00
For example, if you think about it, he is the CEO of this family. He does run the family. It's a little bit of looking at someone who's the CEO of a company and they're like, oh, I didn't think this is what it was going to be. This is leadership.

00:17:48 Speaker_00
What did you think this was going to be? If you say you want to sign up to be the CEO of a company, that means being a leader, doing things. And what's so interesting about Cody is he loves being the leader. He loves being the CEO. He's so bad at it.

00:18:03 Speaker_00
Yes, he is very bad at it. And at the same time, he's also secretly resentful. Do you know what I mean?

00:18:12 Speaker_00
It's like, I have this job, and this is what I should be doing, but at the same time, I don't want this job, and this is so hard, and I never get the support, but I'm the man of the house, and you should follow me, but no one's respecting me, right?

00:18:27 Speaker_00
It's back and forth, back and forth. It's like, oh my God, you're exhausting. Yeah, because he you know in that it's a micro this whole trip and anytime they go anywhere.

00:18:35 Speaker_00
Yes, they move they take a trip It's a microcosm of just how mismanaged the family is. Yeah, he cannot even You know, it's this is not the first time they've traveled as a family. Yes. Yes.

00:18:47 Speaker_00
They have to take a lot of stuff It's not the first time they move. They're notorious even before this series started started, they were notorious for constantly moving. This is not your first rodeo.

00:18:58 Speaker_00
If you're going on something like this, you need to have a plan. You need to have a spreadsheet. You need to have a schedule. You need to dole out jobs. You do this. You do that. Almost like a military procedure. That one polygamous guy. The Darger. Yeah.

00:19:20 Speaker_00
He's got military precision, that guy. And things get done. And I think those kids are scared of him. But that's how you get shit done. Otherwise if you don't do it that way you get this total shit show. Anyway, that's the end of Episode 7 pretty much.

00:19:40 Speaker_00
I didn't write down when we were making the transition. I think this is it. We learn that they tell the oldest kids and then we now see the kids and the teenagers are the best.

00:19:54 Speaker_00
In the episode before, there was one point where the parents were all saying, like, oh, this will be so fun. It's so fun for the teenagers. And then they get the teenagers who were like, this sucks. I don't want to be with my parents for four days.

00:20:08 Speaker_00
I'm trapped. And they know on top of that that they're going to have to move. So, they discover a hot tub. Everybody very happy. That was the big highlight. And they start sledding down the hill.

00:20:22 Speaker_00
And Mary eats it and almost flies through the window of the cabin. But she's fine. She's fine. She's fine. But she's quite the daredevil. And again the show made it super dramatic. Like Mary had died or something like that when she did. But she was fine.

00:20:39 Speaker_00
And then there's this discussion about kitchen droppings. And that was really interesting. And I think that it's

00:20:45 Speaker_00
I think it's a very benign conversation, but knowing the history now, it is kind of this interesting combination of how they were talking about how small the kitchen was and all the women, what did Cody say, knocking hips.

00:21:01 Speaker_00
Because this is what women should be doing is in the kitchen rocking hips, just having a grand time being so fulfilled by cooking for you and children. And that Robin in the confessional says that she, how did she say it?

00:21:16 Speaker_00
She felt really uncomfortable. She didn't speak up enough being in the kitchen and that everyone's like, oh, we all know it's Christine's kitchen. Yeah because Christine is the head of the kitchen and Mary is kind of like her sous-chef.

00:21:32 Speaker_00
Because Christine enjoys cooking. And I've heard she's good. Yeah she's good at it. And also that's been her job for all these years. She cooked for the whole family and all these kids and everything. So she takes charge. She does it.

00:21:43 Speaker_00
Mary is kind of in there. Robin is sort of on the outskirts, doesn't quite know what to do. Janelle really is on the outside. She doesn't want to help. And she says in the confessional, like, this really isn't my forte.

00:22:00 Speaker_00
I have things that are stronger skill sets. And then she brings up that in the past when she's tried to help in the kitchen, She says that she's been called lazy.

00:22:16 Speaker_00
She says something about how her domestic skills are maybe not as great and she's been called lazy and she's talking about cooking and cleaning. And again I know that goes back to Mary. That was in the book.

00:22:28 Speaker_00
If Janelle even left a dish out Mary would lose her shit. Janelle had to get her own refrigerator in her bedroom. She had to get her own little mini fridge because there was so much friction over just sharing a refrigerator.

00:22:46 Speaker_00
So this kitchen drama stuff has been going on for years and Cody he references it all the time like my wives can't share a kitchen. They each have to have their own kitchen. And it's like no what it is is that Mary can't share a kitchen with anyone.

00:23:00 Speaker_00
because Christine didn't seem to be upset about the kitchen anyway. It was a whole talk about the kitchen drama and I felt really badly for Janelle because you could tell that she had just been kind of beaten down and abused over this.

00:23:18 Speaker_00
And in a lot of these older episodes you look at Janelle and she does seem very beaten down. Yeah, well, in season nine that I'm doing during my rewatch, I've noticed that there's an episode that's all about Janelle and about Janelle's journey.

00:23:32 Speaker_00
And Janelle admits that in the beginning, she was really shy. She doesn't like attention. It was really hard for her when the camera showed up that she's feeling a lot better. Obviously we see her through this whole weight loss journey that she has.

00:23:43 Speaker_00
She loses weight and we see her blossoming from that.

00:23:48 Speaker_00
And then part of this, I don't know what happens, but you see a clip of her going over to Mary and saying, okay, you know, Mary, over the years you've approached me about trying to mend our relationship. I think I'm ready.

00:24:00 Speaker_00
And of course Mary's like, I don't know if I want to do it now. You know so it's so typical like you're just like oh god Mary she's you know yeah she's trying to put a hand out to you.

00:24:10 Speaker_00
Like just just try and I and I understand how Mary could feel like well I wanted to try years ago but quite frankly and I don't blame Janelle for this either my guess would be she was kind of freaking afraid of Yes.

00:24:24 Speaker_00
Afraid of what she was going to get. Scary Mary. Scary Mary. She didn't know what she was going to get. She didn't know how it was going to be and she didn't feel quite safe enough to do it. And she finally got the courage to do it. But again, Mary has

00:24:37 Speaker_00
Mary's like Cody. Like little or no self-awareness at all.

00:24:41 Speaker_00
And I think that when they were first those two were first married I'm sure they both were so their egos are so big that they were kind of clashing and then they bring this new woman in who is Janelle who's probably very like don't pay attention to me and shy and reserved and okay maybe oh okay I want to be a part of this and I think that two of them just eclipsed her.

00:25:03 Speaker_00
I want to know so much more about how it came to be that Janelle married into this family because, you know, somebody posted on the Shit Talk Facebook page a newspaper clipping of the announcement of Janelle's marriage to Mary's brother.

00:25:21 Speaker_00
That's right. I always forget about that. Yeah. Oh, so I wonder, is that some of the anger and resentment? Is Mary mad that Janelle divorced the brother? I also remember too, before Cody and Janelle got married, Cody's dad married Janelle's mom. Yes. Yes.

00:25:40 Speaker_00
Okay. So there's already this relationship dynamic over here and then the thing with Mary's brother. But in this announcement, like there's this picture of them and Janelle just looks so happy and fresh faced. They got married in the big temple.

00:25:54 Speaker_00
in Salt Lake City, the big Mormon temple. And they had a wedding reception. It seemed like she had a big wedding. And it said that she had gone to BYU. I think Janelle is the only one that finished college. of all of that.

00:26:14 Speaker_00
I don't know, I want to finish, but she was there when she got married. And, you know, they talked about her like, they were just kind of like your normal average. And I'm like, well, what happened there?

00:26:24 Speaker_00
Yeah, what happened with Mary is Mary's brother is terrible as Mary. Well, and obviously Mary's brother's not a polygamist because that was not a polygamist relationship. You know, neither one of them. Yeah.

00:26:35 Speaker_00
Especially because if they got married in that church, right? Right. It's LDS, they don't. Exactly. It was an LDS wedding. So why is Mary in that but her brother's not? What happened with the divorce? How did she end up marrying into this?

00:26:52 Speaker_00
I just need to know so much more. Because Cody will say, he said something like, I knew Janelle before Mary and I got married. Because it was his stepsister. Because it was a stepsister and she was once your sister-in-law. Really?

00:27:11 Speaker_00
Because she was married to your wife's brother. Right? So of course you knew her. She was your stepsister slash sister. Before she became your celestial wife. I wonder if Cody's dad and Janelle's mom kind of forced them together, pushed them together.

00:27:34 Speaker_00
Oh, interesting. Like an arranged sort of marriage. Then why did Janelle divorce that guy? Why did Janelle divorce Mary's brother? That's the question. Because they were forced to push on her? I think they got divorced probably for whatever reason.

00:27:52 Speaker_00
I don't know. And then I think Janelle was kind of floating around. And in the book they wrote she describes how they were friends. Cody and Janelle they call themselves friends. They leave out that they were step-siblings.

00:28:08 Speaker_00
But Cody talked about how he would go to Janelle for advice about finances, life, jobs. I think Janelle helped Mary get a job. I can believe that. And so I think his family probably said you know this Janelle, she's sharp.

00:28:29 Speaker_00
Maybe we should get her in the family. Cody and Mary, you two are like a couple of dumb as rocks. So why don't you guys, why don't you bring Janelle in? She could really help you guys out. So I guess that's what happened there.

00:28:50 Speaker_00
So we move on to the pajama fashion show. So everyone gets their pajamas. Now some of the pajamas look great and look very cute and look like they're made of that jersey, soft, something you want to wear to bed. And then some of the

00:29:05 Speaker_00
pajamas look like stiff cotton that you don't want to wear to bed. One of the kids, the pants, I'm like, are these shorts? Are these pants? Are these culottes? You're kind of like, what happened here?

00:29:18 Speaker_00
A couple of the girls, I guess they were supposed to be nightgowns, but they kind of looked like prison-issue nightgowns. I know so pajama fashion show was interesting. It was interesting but at least they looked like they were having fun.

00:29:33 Speaker_00
Yeah they do and these old episodes it is nice to see them because they do look like they're having lots of fun. They do look like a very happy unified family. I liked this episode because it was one of the only times

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that we've really seen all the kids together at least in a while. A lot of them are just so little and they're cute. It was nice. And then we get this whole section where we have to watch Cody talk to Christine like she's a four-year-old.

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Where Christine's upset about the move. She doesn't want to make the move. And what she says is very true, which is, I don't want to make a move out of fear. I don't want to do this out of fear. Which she's right. You shouldn't make decisions out of fear.

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And she doesn't feel like she has a choice. And Cody is talking to her like she's a child and saying, well, I'm the head of the household, right? I'm the head of the household. Do you believe I'm the head of the household? And she's like, yes, yes.

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And I need to make this decision. I need to make this happen. And this needs to be what this is. And you need to get along. And really, again, this is one of those moments where I think Cody

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Cody really had a moment here to connect with her and just say, this sucks. Yeah, I'm sorry. I know this is hard. This is really hard. This sucks. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. Nobody else wants to do this if I had any chance.

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But you know what? I am really scared about going to jail, Christine. I don't want to have happened to us that happened to your grandparents. this is awful. Like that's all she's looking for. That's all she wants. He's incapable of that.

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He is never ever able to Yeah just like give some empathy, compassion, anything. It's always like if you question him or complain about one of his decisions he just gets upset. He doesn't understand just normal human emotions.

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Things are hard sometimes and you have to talk through it. But not even that, it's just like, God, sometimes she knows, Christine knows, she's going with you.

00:31:43 Speaker_00
She says, I'm going with you, but she's telling you, I feel bad because a choice is being made for me. And I don't like that. And people, we like to make choices. We like to have control.

00:31:55 Speaker_00
As much as we feel overwhelmed by choices and control sometimes, we like to have them. When people take away our control, like COVID's a great example. of something coming in happening you have no control over and you have to adapt to it.

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We don't like that at all. And that's what she's responding to. And he can't even give her five freaking minutes of something.

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And then he does this real creepy thing where he leans in real close to her head and he says, are you still confused about whether we're going to move? It was really creepy. And she's I can't even remember what her response was. I think she said no.

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And he's like okay. It was his way of saying shut up. AMT And then we see the teenagers which is so interesting. Maddie says the best line where she's like she doesn't want to leave her best friend because they were going to be legends in this town.

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And then Hunter cries. Of course Logan and Aspen are like we're sad to go but we understand of course doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. And then Hunter cries. And Hunter was having a really hard time. And you feel for him.

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He must have been what 13, 14? I bet you anything he probably just started high school and probably just started making friends and he was on the football team. We all know how weird high school is. All of that. I mean, poor Logan was probably a senior.

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I think it was his senior year. They ripped him out and he has to go to a senior year somewhere else. I mean, this is hard stuff. This is really hard stuff. I'm sure Maddie was probably a junior. Maybe a sophomore. I think Hunter was like a freshman.

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Maddie was a sophomore. And then Mariah and Aspen I think are in the same grade. So they were probably juniors. Leon and Aspen. They got their graduation. And then Logan is a senior. So it sucks for all of them. It really does. It really, really sucks.

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That was a Brown family Christmas. That is a Brown family Christmas right there. Full of chaos and deep emotions and drama. Unmet needs. High expectations that aren't met. What else are the holidays about? Yes you're right. That is. It's apropos. It is.

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It's perfect for the holidays. It's a lot of buildup and anticipation to, ugh, why did I want to do this all of a sudden? Why do we keep doing this? Happy holidays, everybody. Happy holidays, everyone. Sincerely. I just hope that you got through it.

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