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Episode: Second Drink: Dundies

Author: Audacy & Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey
Duration: 01:12:56

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Fun-raiser vs Fundraiser, Second Drink, and Hottest In The Office. All of this can only mean one thing, we've made it to The Dundies episode of The Office! The Ladies talk about the origin of The Dundies, Jenna shares a mishap from The 40-Year-Old Virgin premiere, and the biggest question

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00:00:02 Speaker_01
Merry almost Christmas, everyone. We are actually on our holiday break right now, but we're keeping the second drinks going. Yes, we are. And today we are taking a big second drink of the Dundies. The Dundies, you know, was a big episode for us.

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It kicked off season two of The Office, and it was the first episode of The Office that aired after Steve Carell hit it big in The 40-Year-Old Virgin over the summer. It changed everything. Yes.

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In fact, this was supposed to be our third episode of the season, but we switched it to being the first after the success of The 40-Year-Old Virgin. They thought this is the episode people who loved 40-Year-Old Virgin might like to see.

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They were smart. They were. And in this breakdown, we told our stories of going to the 40-year-old virgin premiere so you can enjoy those again. But to kick things off for second drink, since I know everyone has been on pins and needles.

00:01:01 Speaker_00
It's a cat calendar update. Are you ready? I don't know. Am I? There is.

00:01:08 Speaker_01
No cat calendar at reception. It's gone. Whoa. However, the All Hands Meeting poster is still there. We are all still meeting on Saturday. I like to think that Angela Martin took down that cat calendar. Did she think I wasn't worthy? You weren't worthy.

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Pam didn't love cats enough.

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She didn't have cats. She took it down. It was a gift from Angela Martin that Angela Martin took back. Well, Jenna, in our breakdown of the Dundies, we also discussed the moment when Pam kisses Jim.

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We got a fan question asking if we thought it was their first kiss or if that was actually during casino night. We disagree. We have talked about this quite a bit. I have said it was their first kiss. I said that it was not. Well, I have found something.

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to share about that kiss. I know you've been real excited to hit me with this. I have. You know, I don't know if it really clears anything up, but it just gives a little bit more insight.

00:02:06 Speaker_01
Well, what I think you mean is that it's been more evidence to prove your opinion. No.

00:02:12 Speaker_00
No, you hear it and you tell me. I think maybe all it does is mom detective this, which is like, well, we're back where we started. Well, let's see. So I went back and I read the shooting draft. We did not share this the first time we watched.

00:02:26 Speaker_00
Here's what it said in the stage direction. Are you ready? Right after Pam says, but mostly I want to thank God, she says, I feel God in this Chili's, don't you? and the stage direction says, Jim looks at Pam with admiration.

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Dwight turns on the wrap-it-up music. Pam grabs Michael and kisses him, leaving him speechless. Dwight hits a button on the Casio and we hear the, oh yeah, cue. Pam skips off the stage and back to her seat.

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As Jim pulls the seat out for the Dundee winner, Pam impulsively grabs him and kisses him before sitting down. Jim sits down too. She has blown past the little kiss, but he is still blushing and very aware of it.

00:03:14 Speaker_00
Oh my gosh, that is not how I remember it. That is in the shooting draft. And now when you watch the episode, Pam kisses Michael on the cheek, still leaves him speechless, but it says Pam impulsively grabs Jim and kisses him. So I'm just saying.

00:03:35 Speaker_00
Okay, okay. I know we can still debate it, but I feel like that does support my argument. All right, well,

00:03:44 Speaker_01
I might stand corrected. Oh, you're starting to sway me. to say?

00:03:51 Speaker_01
Well, in this episode, I very confidently share that the person at the end of this episode who plays the Chili's manager that bans Pam from coming back to Chili's, I say that this person was a real Chili's manager. This is what we were always told.

00:04:10 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's what everyone told us. That's sort of the lore, that we were like, oh my goodness, they had a real Chili's person.

00:04:15 Speaker_01
Yes, that's what Greg believed. Well, guess what, everyone? He is not a real Chili's manager. He is an actor. His name is Christopher T. Jones. And Christopher, please accept our sincerest apologies. Oh my goodness, Christopher. We had no idea.

00:04:35 Speaker_01
I was reading Andy Green's book. about The Office, and Christopher is interviewed, and here is what he said. Quote, I was hired by the fantastic Alison Jones to work on The 40-Year-Old Virgin with Steve Carell as a cop.

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The scene I did was cut, but it made the deleted scenes on the DVD. I guess I did well enough because they brought me in to audition for The Office. He went on to say, I think at least some of the extras were Chili's employees.

00:05:06 Speaker_01
And the reason I say that is because almost everyone assumed that I was actually a Chili's manager. So maybe that's where the mix-up happened.

00:05:15 Speaker_00
Yes. Because we did. I have such a memory of having Chili's people on set to make sure we got the whole Chili's of it right.

00:05:23 Speaker_01
Yes. And we talk about this in our breakdown. it was a surprise to the Chili's folks that Pam was gonna get drunk and Pam is supposed to vomit. And they were on set and they were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no vomiting.

00:05:38 Speaker_01
She can fall off a stool, but she can't throw up. And we didn't realize she was gonna be over served and you need to add this talking head. Like all of that kind of happened on the set.

00:05:50 Speaker_01
So there were really Chili's people there and they were in the background of some scenes. Well, poor Christopher said that he has been on Twitter trying to debunk this. Aw. Fact. And he said people don't believe him.

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They're like, no, you are a Chili's manager. And he has to be like, I promise you, I am not. And he said, I guess I should take it as a compliment toward my acting.

00:06:15 Speaker_01
But Christopher, since I didn't do it in this episode, I would like to give you a proper guest star breakdown. According to his IMDb bio, Christopher has been a working actor in Los Angeles since 2002.

00:06:29 Speaker_01
He has appeared on numerous TV programs like Everybody Loves Raymond, Arrested Development, Joey, Two and a Half Men, ER, NCIS, Superstore, to just name a few. And he was most recently in the movie Barbie.

00:06:44 Speaker_00
Well, Christopher, I really hope this clears things up for you. You know, we're going to put the word out in our office family community

00:06:51 Speaker_00
that you were not a Chili's employee, that you are in fact an actor playing a role that you did very well because we all believed you were a Chili's employee. Yes. And we just wish you all the best.

00:07:03 Speaker_00
Well, we have a few more things to cover in this second drinks tidbit section. Jenna, after this episode aired, a lot of people wondered, what did Pam write on the bathroom wall? Do you know?

00:07:14 Speaker_01
It was never scripted. And I was never told. It was never written. It's for your imagination. It's kind of like the teapot letter. Fill in the blank. You decide what Pam wrote on the bathroom wall.

00:07:30 Speaker_01
Something else I didn't share in this original breakdown, you know at the end of the episode when Pam runs up to the camera and I shout, best dundies ever! Yeah, yeah. That was not in the script. Oh, a little improv.

00:07:45 Speaker_01
It was scripted that I'm just leaving, and I'm kind of drunkenly hugging and kissing everybody as I leave. I even had a line where I was supposed to be like, Toby, you didn't get a Dundee. Here, you can have mine.

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And he's like, I don't really want it, Pam. But on the day, I think it was Greg that had the idea that I should run up and like shout at the camera. Then the other stuff was kind of played as B-roll.

00:08:12 Speaker_00
Those are the things I love. They are the little moments we found while we were making it all together, that creative collaboration we always talk about.

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Well, there you have it.

00:08:21 Speaker_00
We hope you enjoy listening to this breakdown of the Dundies. Well, we are off this week. We wish you all a very happy holiday, and we will be back for second drink next week. We hope you have a nice one.

00:08:36 Speaker_01
I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office rewatch podcast just for you.

00:08:45 Speaker_00
Each week, we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind-the-scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you. We're The Office Ladies.

00:08:56 Speaker_01
Hello everyone. Hi there. Guys, thank you so much for your support of our podcast and watching with us and listening with us. It means so much and we are loving all of your comments too. It has been so fun.

00:09:08 Speaker_01
I have loved going through the comments and going through the questions and the mailbox. All right, today we are moving into Season two! Season two, episode one, The Dundies, written by Mindy Kaling, directed by Greg Daniels.

00:09:25 Speaker_00
Yes, and you guys out there listening, we really wanted to do a live podcast of this at Achilles, but as it turns out, a lot of stuff is involved in doing that, and we just didn't get it together in time.

00:09:37 Speaker_01
But we do plan on doing some live podcasts.

00:09:40 Speaker_00
Yes, and maybe we'll go to Achilles.

00:09:42 Speaker_01
We have to make that happen.

00:09:43 Speaker_00
We have to make it happen. For sure. You're allowed back in now.

00:09:46 Speaker_01
I am. They lifted the ban officially like a year and a half ago. So I can now go to a Chili's. So we have to make that happen.

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Yeah.

00:09:54 Speaker_01
There is so much to talk about with this episode. I have so many notes and I'm looking at my notes and I realize the one thing I don't have is a summary written down. What is wrong with you?

00:10:04 Speaker_01
I was so excited to get into the episode that I failed to write a summary. So here we go. I'm going to wing it. In this episode, manager Michael Scott gives out awards to his employees called the Dundies during a very awkward show at a Chili's.

00:10:19 Speaker_00
How'd I do? You did pretty great. He thinks he's like, you know, an amazing stand-up comedian, performer. I did see that a Dundie, I saw a description online of what a Dundie is. Okay.

00:10:29 Speaker_00
So if you look up Dundee, it says, a Dundee is an award bestowed annually by Dunder Mifflin Scranton regional manager Michael Scott. In order to maintain morale, everybody gets a Dundee. Where did you read that? I did it.

00:10:42 Speaker_00
There's a thing called Dunderpedia.

00:10:45 Speaker_01
Well, let's start with this fast fact. Okay. It's also a fan question. Aaron asked, where did the idea for the Dundies come from? I don't know.

00:10:53 Speaker_01
The Dundies were based on an awards presentation that Greg Daniels did for his real-life employees on King of the Hill. Oh, my gosh. He was the Michael Scott of King of the Hill. Greg! He gave them out in a ceremony, and they were called the Swampies.

00:11:11 Speaker_01
Oh, my Lord. And he gave out the same businessman statues that Michael gives out. He went into a trophy shop and he saw those statues and it inspired him to do an award show for his employees. And then now it graduated into an idea for the office.

00:11:29 Speaker_00
I actually can really see Greg doing that. I can see him going and buying them and thinking, like, it would, like, boost everyone's spirit. Yes, it was a morale booster.

00:11:38 Speaker_01
Aw, Greg. This leads me into fast fact number two. The Dundies was the story that Greg wanted to use as the season one, episode one pilot. Instead of? Instead of the pilot, yes.

00:11:51 Speaker_01
This was his idea for how to kick off the American version of The Office, but the network said they preferred we do an adaptation of the British pilot.

00:11:59 Speaker_00
Wow.

00:11:59 Speaker_01
And Greg was very, very disappointed. But if you notice, and Angela, maybe you did notice, there has been a Dundee on Michael's desk from the very beginning. It's in our opening credits. And Michael Scott, all through season one, had a Dundee.

00:12:14 Speaker_00
It's in the opening credits, but is it on his desk in the episode? Oh, well, now that I don't know. See, because I don't think it's on his actual desk, but I think it's in the credits.

00:12:23 Speaker_01
It's in the credits.

00:12:24 Speaker_00
Yes.

00:12:25 Speaker_01
But I do think that even that little bit is that way where Greg had something in his head. Right. He had this idea of these Dundee awards looming for all this time. And finally, when we got picked up, he was able to do something with it.

00:12:38 Speaker_01
Thank goodness we got a second season. That would really have been a bummer. Or else that little shot in the opening credits would have remained a mystery. What is the little man on his desk? What's the little man with the briefcase? What is it?

00:12:48 Speaker_01
Are we ready for fast fact number three? We're moving more quickly than I thought we would.

00:12:52 Speaker_00
Well, let me just tell you, I'm just letting you go. All right, Jenna, I wish you guys could see her. She came in what looks like a mechanic's outfit.

00:12:59 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's my green jumpsuit.

00:13:00 Speaker_00
Her green jumpsuit. But I also have a hat on. A hat on. It's like she came to play. Either that or pilot an airplane. But you are ready. Do you need anything assembled? Because I think I look like I could assemble something.

00:13:11 Speaker_01
Maybe. Okay, go, go, go. All right, fast fact number three. The second season of The Office was originally only six episodes long. We only got picked up for six episodes.

00:13:20 Speaker_00
I know, we were so excited to get six, but after that we're like, well, I guess that's it.

00:13:24 Speaker_01
That might be all. But they started airing, and then they ordered three more, then they ordered four more. Right. Then I think they ordered the rest of the whole season, and we ended up with a usual amount of time.

00:13:36 Speaker_00
Yeah, but in the beginning, we were like, well, we got six. Well, that's that. Oh, no, we got three more.

00:13:40 Speaker_00
Oh, we got, you know, it kind of gave you that sense of like, well, we might as well go for it because we don't know if we're going to win this job.

00:13:47 Speaker_01
Yeah. And this episode of the Dundies was actually the third episode that we shot when we came back. And it was the first episode that we ever shot away from our office set. This is the first time we went on a completely different location.

00:14:01 Speaker_01
It was really, really cool. And we shot this the week after Steve Carell's movie, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, hit theaters. Yes. It was the number one movie at the box office.

00:14:12 Speaker_00
And we were so excited for him. And Steve, being the sweetheart that he is, invited the whole entire cast to the premiere. Yeah. And we all went. We got dressed up. And that was like one of the first fancy movie anything parties I've ever been to.

00:14:25 Speaker_01
I have a crazy story about that, Angela.

00:14:27 Speaker_00
What?

00:14:27 Speaker_01
Well, we had been shooting all day, and then the premiere was that night. Yeah. And we got dressed on set, and the hair and makeup people did our hair and makeup, and we carpooled, and we went to this premiere.

00:14:41 Speaker_01
When we got there, I was wearing this dress. It's very hard to explain. Maybe we can find a photo of it and put it on our website. It was sort of like a lacy mermaid thing. It was like green and blue. I don't even remember where I got it or how I got it.

00:15:01 Speaker_01
It was my first big movie premiere. I didn't know what you were supposed to wear or how you were supposed to dress. It was a silky dress, and then over it had a lace part. So the silk part was like the slip, and then the lace part went over.

00:15:16 Speaker_01
Yes, a silk slip. Thank you, Angela. And it was blue and green, sort of mermaid-y colors, I guess. And it had this really big ribbon around the hips. What is happening? But I'll tell you, and then it had the ribbon tassels were hanging down in the front.

00:15:35 Speaker_01
Okay. Okay. So when we got to the premiere, I had to pee so badly. So before we walked the red carpet, I ran into the bathroom and I peed very quickly. Did you pee on the ribbon? I did not pee on the ribbon. Okay. No, that would have been awful.

00:15:48 Speaker_01
That's where I thought the story was going. No, the ribbon did not dip in the toilet. Okay. But you know, that happens sometimes. Yeah, I said that because I feel like it's happened to me. Okay, I did not pee on the ribbon.

00:15:58 Speaker_01
But I was rushing, and I came back out, and I went to the red carpet. I took my pictures. I posed. I did the pictures. Whirlwind. Hoped I did it right. Went inside. When I got inside, I realized that I had tucked the slip into my underwear.

00:16:16 Speaker_00
No! Was your butt showing in the lace in the photos?

00:16:20 Speaker_01
No, my butt was not showing. Thankfully, that ribbon was strategically poised to cover my lady bits. Oh, Jenna. Because it was just lace on the bottom. Because I had tucked the slip into my underwear, but it gets worse.

00:16:38 Speaker_00
What? How can it get worse than you tucked your... Also, didn't you fill some air in places you should have been filling air? I was so nervous! You were rushing. I was rushing! Okay, okay, okay.

00:16:49 Speaker_01
I wanted to get into my friend Steve's big movie premiere. Okay, how does it get worse? You know, when you go and you buy like the three pack of cotton underwear at target. And there's, there's a white pair. Oh, no pair. And then a crazy color pair.

00:17:04 Speaker_01
I was wearing the crazy pair of Jenna from my target underwear pack. And I think, like, from the back, you must have been able to see it. Thankfully, I didn't turn around on the red carpet, but I'm sure many people saw that as I was walking.

00:17:21 Speaker_00
Jenna, I do not remember if I did the red carpet or not. I don't know if I did. I think I just went in the theater. I mean, I would have to go back and look, but I feel like I didn't even know that we had to do that.

00:17:32 Speaker_01
Someone made me do it. Like, I got out of the car and, you know, someone grabbed me and said, you need to take pictures.

00:17:39 Speaker_00
I'm pretty sure I drove myself and I just parked in the garage and I walked in. But I just remember being so excited for Steve and he was so happy we were there. He had us all sitting together and he came over and he gave us all a big hug.

00:17:53 Speaker_00
And I kind of remember that he wore a white suit. Am I remembering that right? Don't know. Don't know. Should have looked it up. We were doing the Dundies today. I don't think I bought anything new. I don't remember what I wore.

00:18:04 Speaker_01
I sat between John and Rain at the premiere when the movie was over. I turned to John and I said, Steve is going to be the biggest movie star when this movie comes out. He's going to stop being Steve. He's going to start being Steve Carell.

00:18:19 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:18:20 Speaker_01
And it's going to be weird because we know Steve. Right. And the rest of the world is going to know Steve Carell in about one week.

00:18:27 Speaker_00
I remember thinking, like, holy moly, this is going to be a big hit.

00:18:31 Speaker_01
So now we're shooting the Dundies. Yes. The 40-year-old version has come out. And as predicted, our friend is Steve Carell. He's a huge movie star. And since we're on location, they had to economize space.

00:18:44 Speaker_01
And we were each given these teeny, teeny, tiny trailers.

00:18:47 Speaker_00
To change clothes in, basically. That's all you could do.

00:18:50 Speaker_01
That's all you could do. It was about the size of a closet. Even Steve, biggest movie star in the country, did not get a larger closet to change in. And his was infested with ants. Ew!

00:19:00 Speaker_01
And I will just never forget how humble he was and how he did not complain at all. And I thought, you know what? That is how you behave with class.

00:19:12 Speaker_00
Yes, and Steve is not a complainer. And he's professional, and he's on time, and he gets his shiitake done.

00:19:18 Speaker_01
And he even joked about it. He was like, well, that's how they keep you humble in this business. It was great. It was so great. I have a fourth fast fact, Angela. But Jenna, you only do three fast facts. But this is the Dundies.

00:19:33 Speaker_01
The Dundies deserves a fourth fast fact. Okay. So fast fact number four, and this was based on a lot of questions from fans about the Chili's location. It was not a real Chili's.

00:19:46 Speaker_00
In fact, it was an out-of-business restaurant.

00:19:48 Speaker_01
We got permission from Chili's to make it a Chili's.

00:19:52 Speaker_00
And they sent all their gear, all their signs and their chalkboard stuff to make it look like a Chili's.

00:19:57 Speaker_01
Yes, they spent weeks, Michael Gallenberg, our set designer, spent weeks conferring with Chili's, reconstructing with painstaking detail this Chili's restaurant, which was an abandoned former restaurant.

00:20:11 Speaker_00
It was in an abandoned restaurant in an empty parking lot, and it didn't even have any signs or anything on it when they started. It was just an out-of-business restaurant. Yeah.

00:20:20 Speaker_01
So there you go, guys. And what's crazy about that is you can't go eat at that Chili's.

00:20:25 Speaker_00
It is near a mall, and on my lunch break, I wanted a mask and snorkel, and I went. Yeah, so this is a story that's not that interesting. But when we film, listen, we filmed at this random neighborhood, this out of business restaurant.

00:20:39 Speaker_00
And I just happened to see that it was near like a mall and I was able on my lunch break to get a snorkel and a mask. For what reason? I wanted to go snorkeling. I was going to go. But this is what I remember about this restaurant.

00:20:52 Speaker_00
It's like, oh, that's the restaurant. Snorkeling where? It's like the ocean, Jenna. I was going to go to Catalina Island. Listen, the details aren't important.

00:21:00 Speaker_00
What is important is when I think about that out-of-business restaurant that we filmed in as a Chili's is that that's near where I bought my mask and snorkel. Do you still have your mask and snorkel? It broke.

00:21:09 Speaker_01
Here's the thing, guys. If you want to not eat at that Chili's and also buy a broken mask and snorkel.

00:21:15 Speaker_00
A kind of crappy mask and snorkel.

00:21:17 Speaker_01
You can head out. to wherever that was. I think it was in Panorama City. Deep in the valleys of Los Angeles. Do you want to take a break? Yeah, let's take a break. And then we'll get into this episode.

00:21:27 Speaker_00
We have so much to say. We have so much to say, and I have all my note cards. Some of them are really great. Some of them, eh, I don't know, guys. Some of them are just a mask and snorkel.

00:21:37 Speaker_01
Did you see?

00:21:37 Speaker_00
Oh, well, listen. That means stud. Oh, okay. Well, do you want to talk more about the ants in the trailer?

00:21:44 Speaker_01
The ants in the trailer were interesting.

00:21:45 Speaker_00
You want to tell another riveting insect story?

00:21:49 Speaker_01
We'll be right back.

00:22:00 Speaker_00
So you guys, we were going to a break, and while we went to a break, I googled Jenna's dress at the 40-year-old virgin, and I see what you mean. You see how it's kind of mermaid-y? It is kind of mermaid-y.

00:22:09 Speaker_01
That's why I described it that way.

00:22:10 Speaker_00
It also looks like this is like someone told you, when you pose, stick your arms on your hips and stick your chest out a little. Yeah. Look at that.

00:22:19 Speaker_01
You're like, kaboom. Well, I want to say that in addition to attending the premiere, Angela, do you remember that you and I went and saw it a second time together, just the two of us, as BFFs, and we took a picture with Steve's poster in the lobby?

00:22:33 Speaker_00
We did. We went on our own because we were just so excited for Steve. I still have it. I have a photo of you and I standing next to his face on a poster in the movie theater. I'm sure people were like, what are those two up to?

00:22:45 Speaker_01
Should we get into this episode as Angela continues to scroll through pictures of me at this premiere looking for my crazy Target underwear, I'm sure.

00:22:54 Speaker_00
Oh, Steve did wear a white suit. He wore a white suit. I remembered that correctly. There are no photos for me. All right.

00:23:00 Speaker_01
Let's get into this episode. In the very opening shot of Pam at her desk, I don't know if you noticed this, Angela, as our background expert, but I am holding my work shoes in my hand. I've just arrived at work, and I'm holding my work shoes.

00:23:15 Speaker_01
And this was something that we did but did not mention. It was to establish that she wears her white Keds to work and then changes into her work shoes.

00:23:24 Speaker_00
Which a lot of people do.

00:23:25 Speaker_01
A lot of people do. A lot of people who live in New York City and walk or use the subway. I'm not sure why Pam, who is driven to work by her fiance, needs to wear Keds in the car.

00:23:36 Speaker_00
So it is. Well, maybe, maybe Pam only has, you know, the one pair of shoes that are her nice shoes and she doesn't want to muck them up.

00:23:42 Speaker_01
Well, this is how she keeps her Keds so white, is because she just wears them in a car. in case you were wondering. All right, so moving on to Michael's talking head describing the Dundies. Everyone wrote in about this.

00:23:59 Speaker_01
Why does Steve look so different in the first shot of him in this?

00:24:05 Speaker_00
Well, I know why. Because when he, the summer that he was going to film 40-Year-Old Virgin, he got in crazy amazing shape. Amazing shape. Amazing shape. And then he's maintained that. He's just like, he's very fit now.

00:24:15 Speaker_00
He's sort of like made that part of his life. They just gave him a whole new look too. They zhuzhed him up.

00:24:21 Speaker_01
Well, originally his character was based on the British show and the boss there. So they really mirrored his look after David Brent. And when Steve came back, so much thinner and just looking amazing. They used it as an excuse.

00:24:35 Speaker_01
Yeah, I mean, he just looked healthy. He looked healthy. He was great.

00:24:38 Speaker_00
Also, the first season, I know they put this gel in his hair. They like slicked it back to look like David Brent. Right. And then after that, they were like, okay, let's style his hair different.

00:24:48 Speaker_00
And then Jen and I, actually, you guys, we were talking about this because this would crack us up. The guys had all their own like hair accessories in the hair and makeup trailer. And one of them was like the tiny

00:24:58 Speaker_00
It was the tiniest little rolling brush. Yeah. That they would like get their hair blown out like a little bouffant.

00:25:03 Speaker_01
But it was really tiny. And Brian and Rain had, remember, that teeny tiny little flat iron. It's the tiniest flat iron.

00:25:11 Speaker_00
It could fit in your pocket. I know. It was like a joke. It looked like an envelope opener. Yes. But it was a flat iron. It was so small.

00:25:17 Speaker_01
And they would flat iron their tiny bangs. Why did the men all have these like miniature, like almost something you would use on a doll? That's what it looked like.

00:25:25 Speaker_00
It was so weird. But yes, so it totally changed the way Steve looked, and Steve himself had just gotten in amazing shape.

00:25:31 Speaker_01
Well, we also a little bit adjusted the character of Michael Scott as well, finally. I think they felt like when they got the pickup for season two, they could really make this for Steve.

00:25:43 Speaker_01
They could really base it more on what Steve was gonna bring to the character. And, for example, in this episode later, we'll talk about it, Michael gets hazed, and you see him really wounded. And that was a choice. That was a choice

00:25:59 Speaker_01
to make Michael a little bit more, I don't know, sympathetic?

00:26:04 Speaker_00
Well, I feel like in season two, they started doing a thing with Michael's character, and I'm sure you guys watching noticed this as well, is that as awkward and cringy as he could be, and really not aware of the things he said and how they affected people, they would give him one moment that was redeeming.

00:26:20 Speaker_00
One moment in the episode where you rooted for him or felt bad for him, so that it wasn't just all like, oh, that guy is such a jerk.

00:26:27 Speaker_01
Instead of the onslaught of insults,

00:26:29 Speaker_00
that season one had been. Right. They just made him have one moment where you were just sympathetic towards him.

00:26:35 Speaker_01
So I hope that solves the mystery for all of you about why did Steve suddenly look different. So next, we have Pam's talking head about the Dundies. She's sitting in the conference room, and Pam has so much residual anger.

00:26:47 Speaker_01
Do you see how deeply angry she is about the Dundies?

00:26:51 Speaker_00
And also, though, the Dundies just keep poking that wound about her engagement. Yes. Oh, yeah.

00:26:57 Speaker_01
And then we move on to the scene where Pam, Meredith, and Kelly are laughing about how someone wrote something on the bathroom wall in the ladies room about Michael. Yes. And this is funny.

00:27:10 Speaker_01
Mindy said people always talk about how the Dundies is about an award show, but she thinks it's also a mystery about who wrote. on the bathroom wall.

00:27:20 Speaker_00
You guys were like, oh, it's just something funny. And then Dwight's like, what was it, Dave Barry? He is like a humorist. He had a column in the Miami Herald that became a TV show called Dave's World. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that is who Rain would consider.

00:27:33 Speaker_00
That was his go-to funny. Yeah, go-to funny person.

00:27:36 Speaker_01
Did you notice in that scene that Kelly is still not fully transformed?

00:27:40 Speaker_00
She's getting there, though. Her hair is half up, half down. Yes, she's getting there, and she had some brighter lipstick on.

00:27:46 Speaker_01
But she still has that high-neck paisley blouse. And also, did you notice that Mindy is basically laughing through the entire scene?

00:27:54 Speaker_00
Yes, and I thought, you know what? When I watched it, I was like, how happy was Mindy that she was allowed to laugh? Because she was going to be laughing anyway.

00:28:02 Speaker_01
Yes, Mindy laughed through all of her acting takes.

00:28:05 Speaker_00
A lot of them. A lot of them. Yeah. So I thought she must have been just so tickled that she got to be laughing.

00:28:11 Speaker_01
So the next scene is Michael's on his phone call with Jan, where he throws the camera out of his office. I loved that. I love that he throws the camera out. Get out, get out, get out. Yes.

00:28:21 Speaker_01
And she is giving him trouble because, you know, she says, we're not going to pay for the Dundies this year.

00:28:27 Speaker_00
She also lists what she considers some of his failed parties, which were the, she was like, you just threw a party on May 5th. And he goes, it was 05, 05, 05. It happens once every billion years. And then she goes, and a luau, you threw a luau.

00:28:40 Speaker_00
And then she was like, and you had a tsunami relief fundraiser that lost money.

00:28:46 Speaker_01
Oh, by the way, by the way, he goes, no, it wasn't a fundraiser. It was a fun-raiser. Yeah. And then Michael has a talking head where he puts the envelope to his head, which is a riff on a bit that Johnny Carson used to do on The Tonight Show.

00:28:58 Speaker_01
Greg told us that the joke that Michael does in this scene with the envelope was the first joke that Greg ever wrote. Really? He wrote it as a kid. He wrote it for his dad. Aww. Who used to do a presentation at work when Greg was younger. Yeah.

00:29:15 Speaker_01
He did a riff. His dad did a riff for his own employees.

00:29:18 Speaker_00
On Johnny Carson. Yeah.

00:29:19 Speaker_01
And so Greg put it in this episode.

00:29:21 Speaker_00
That is adorable. That is adorable.

00:29:25 Speaker_01
So then we have the scene where Dwight is sneaking into the woman's restroom, and he goes in, but he doesn't realize Phyllis is still there, and she throws him out. Can you see Rain breaking?

00:29:35 Speaker_00
Yes! Look at my note card. He is almost breaking. He's almost breaking. I have, when Phyllis chases Dwight out of the bathroom, look at that. Rain is about to laugh. For sure. For sure. I love that, though. Phyllis just owned him in that moment.

00:29:47 Speaker_00
It was so great. So I have a note card because this cracked me up. At seven minutes, nine seconds, Dwight gets everyone's attention. He's very mad at the ladies of the office, right? And he makes this announcement.

00:29:58 Speaker_00
And when he comes out to make this announcement, the camera shot starts over Stanley's shoulder, and Stanley is playing with a toy car. He is? He is holding a bright blue toy car. It's a convertible.

00:30:12 Speaker_00
The doors are open on it, like he's been opening the doors. And he holds this blue convertible toy car throughout the scene. And you see it a few times. And I was like, what? What is that? What is that? I don't know, but it cracked me up.

00:30:24 Speaker_00
And I remember that he had some cars on his desk. Do you remember that? I don't. I don't know why I forgot that Dwight had bobbleheads, but I know that Stanley has, like, cars.

00:30:35 Speaker_01
Something that never becomes a plot point is seared in your brain. And not a plot point to my character. Specifically. I know.

00:30:42 Speaker_01
Well, did you notice, Angela, that in the background of that same scene, if you look at Meredith's computer, you can see she's in the middle of a FreeCell game. Oh, no, I didn't see that. Yes. Yes.

00:30:53 Speaker_01
So in later seasons, after we got internet and we stopped playing FreeCell, we would get in trouble if we had unapproved things on our screens.

00:31:00 Speaker_00
Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. I do. The camera guys would say, Angela, we can totally see your email account. I'd be like, ah, okay.

00:31:07 Speaker_01
Or if you were looking at a website, there were certain things that we were allowed to show on computer screens like fake documents, the Dunder Mifflin logo, free cell games. I guess we got that cleared.

00:31:16 Speaker_01
But we couldn't have other stuff, and we would get yelled at. And then Rain said, You never have to tell me again about the screens, all right? Stop hounding me about the screens.

00:31:27 Speaker_01
In fact, if you ever find something on my screen while we're shooting that's not allowed to be there, I will donate $100 to charity every time. Why was he so annoyed? I don't know. He had such a B in his bonnet.

00:31:40 Speaker_01
He had to pay out so much because he would forget.

00:31:44 Speaker_00
Oh, and the camera guys would hold him to it.

00:31:45 Speaker_01
Yes, because he made this big declaration.

00:31:47 Speaker_00
Well, good for them.

00:31:48 Speaker_01
You never need to tell me again. And water bottles. We used to get in trouble for having soda cans or whatever on our desks.

00:31:56 Speaker_01
I mean, you don't watch Game of Thrones, but there was a Starbucks coffee cup that really... I don't watch Game of Thrones, and yet I did get into the coffee gate situation.

00:32:04 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:32:05 Speaker_01
I thought, how in the world?

00:32:06 Speaker_00
How did they miss that? I mean, there's a Starbucks coffee thing next to, like, a dragon on the ground.

00:32:11 Speaker_01
That's a whole other world. There are not even Starbucks in that world. At least if we left a Starbucks on our desk, you could be like, well, I guess they went to Starbucks.

00:32:19 Speaker_00
Yeah. I just have to say something that, in watching this again, made me laugh out loud, is that Michael is trying to make everyone feel good about the Dundies. He's so wounded that people aren't excited. This clearly means so much to him.

00:32:32 Speaker_00
And he can't believe that no one else shares his enthusiasm for the Dundies and sees how important they are. So as a way to try to, like, get them back into it. He says, listen, friends and family are invited to the Dundies for the first time.

00:32:45 Speaker_00
For the first time? Do you mean like all these years that he's been doing the Dundies, he's never let them bring plus ones? I couldn't believe that. I was like, what? And everyone was like, oh, great. Everyone is like genuinely happy about it.

00:33:00 Speaker_00
I was like, oh my gosh, it was like employees only.

00:33:03 Speaker_01
And then later you realize that no one is paid for that everyone now, their bill is going to be double.

00:33:10 Speaker_00
Double.

00:33:11 Speaker_01
Because they brought a plus one.

00:33:12 Speaker_00
And they wouldn't have probably even brought anyone.

00:33:14 Speaker_01
So now guys, we are going to move to the Chili's. Oh, here we go.

00:33:18 Speaker_00
It's time to go to Chili's.

00:33:19 Speaker_01
And if we look like we're sweating, it's because it was over 100 degrees when we shot this episode. And there was very little air conditioning inside this abandoned restaurant.

00:33:28 Speaker_00
I'm absolutely fine because when I'm completely comfortable, everyone is miserable. So,

00:33:34 Speaker_01
I was doing okay as well, but the gentlemen, the men wearing suits were- Well, poor Steve.

00:33:39 Speaker_00
In a tuxedo. And then he would put things on top of the tuxedo. Yeah.

00:33:44 Speaker_01
Yeah. We spent three full days filming there. And we also had to sometimes wear coats because we were pretending like it was fall. Right. If you see Rain, he's got that big trench coat on.

00:33:55 Speaker_00
It always worked out that way. We would film all these episodes that we'll talk about where we were in coats and suits and stuff outside and it was August.

00:34:03 Speaker_01
Or we would have to pretend like it was spring, but we were shooting it during the winter, and we would be freezing. Yes. We never shot the episodes during the time of year in which they were.

00:34:16 Speaker_01
I love Oscar's talking head, his description of the Dundies, comparing them to a children's party.

00:34:22 Speaker_00
He did that so well. It was so spot on.

00:34:25 Speaker_01
Oscar always has some of my favorite talking heads.

00:34:28 Speaker_00
He's brilliant. He's an amazing actor. He really is.

00:34:31 Speaker_01
Oscar describes the Dundies as a child's birthday party, and Pam compares it to an accident that you're forced to look at.

00:34:38 Speaker_00
You're forced to look at. I have a question for you, Jenna. Yeah. All right.

00:34:42 Speaker_00
I read, when I was looking back over the Dundies, I read an article that said that BJ Novak took Jenna out to get drunk in real life and then let her know what her responses were like, because you don't really drink that much in real life.

00:34:55 Speaker_00
So he took you out. Drinking. Is that true? Yes.

00:34:59 Speaker_01
What? Yes. I was nervous about this episode because Pam had to be drunk. And that's hard to play and not be goofy. It is. And I confided in the writers, and I said, I'm nervous. I don't know how to do it. And

00:35:15 Speaker_01
Mindy had a great stage direction later where she was saying, you know, Pam is nodding along. I loved that. Nodding. That was in the script, that Pam is nodding.

00:35:27 Speaker_00
Right, when you're trying so hard to pay attention.

00:35:29 Speaker_01
Yes, exactly. I'm a normal person paying attention. Yes, look how I'm nodding at you. So that was Mindy's stage direction. But the rest of it, like, how do you gradually become drunk?

00:35:39 Speaker_01
And I was really afraid that I was going to do just some horrible, fake, drunky performance. You did fantastic. Thank you.

00:35:47 Speaker_01
So BJ and I get to talking, and we decide, how about we go out, I'll have some drinks, and BJ will ask me questions and help me observe what it feels like to slowly get drunk.

00:35:59 Speaker_00
So he was sort of going to document you having drinks. Yes. This is really method. This is super nerdy. I like it though. And I know why I didn't take you out, because I would have been the one also being like, I'll have drinks too.

00:36:10 Speaker_00
And like, no, this defeats the purpose.

00:36:12 Speaker_01
No, this is a scientific experiment. Yeah. So yeah, so I went out with BJ, and it was really interesting because after the first two drinks, I was like, oh, I just feel buzzed and a little dizzy. I was laughing a lot.

00:36:26 Speaker_01
So that's why I had Pam do all of those ridiculous laughs in the episode. But by drink number four, I- Four? Number four? By drink number four, I was drinking Cosmopolitans. Oh my gosh, Jenna, did you get sick? I didn't get sick. Oh, good Lord. I know.

00:36:42 Speaker_01
So by drink number four, apparently I said to BJ, I don't feel drunk at all. I feel normal. And BJ said, really? Because you're talking really loud and really close and you almost just fell over. And I was like, I did?

00:36:59 Speaker_01
So I stopped after drink number four, but I thought that it was really interesting how after so many drinks, I doubted that I was even drunk. Yes. And so all that information, I kind of weaved into my performance. Well, it worked, lady. Thank you.

00:37:16 Speaker_00
And I'm glad you didn't have a hangover. So folks, drink responsibly. Yeah. Don't drink for Cosmos.

00:37:23 Speaker_01
Yeah, don't drink before Christmas. We do not recommend. Rain got really into the sound effects on that keyboard.

00:37:31 Speaker_00
He did. Do you remember that? I do. So they had a keyboard for him, and they told him the different sounds the keyboard made.

00:37:37 Speaker_00
This is like handing a child a keyboard, or it's like even when you give Rain a microphone, get ready because he's going to have a lot of bits.

00:37:46 Speaker_01
And they told him he could play it whenever he wanted during Michael's speeches.

00:37:50 Speaker_00
And did he ever? I mean, right out of the gate, when Michael's like, well, Stanley, I can't wait to meet your wife. And she's like, I'm holding her hand right now. Like, that was Rain improvising, like, brr, brr. Yeah.

00:38:04 Speaker_00
That was just Rain having fun on the keyboard. There was also an, oh yeah. that he used to play. Oh my gosh. And Rainn kept doing it at the most inappropriate moments.

00:38:15 Speaker_01
And that was the thing that would make Steve break more than anything else. It wasn't the fart noise or the trumpet sounds. It was that oh yeah button. And there was one time where Steve broke down laughing. It felt like 10 minutes.

00:38:29 Speaker_01
He could not get it back.

00:38:30 Speaker_00
He doubled over. We had to stop filming because he got so tickled because Rainn kept hitting that oh yeah button. Steve never breaks.

00:38:37 Speaker_01
He is a rock. He and Oscar are the two. It is very hard to make either of them break.

00:38:43 Speaker_00
Oh, I would say they were statues for a long time. I was like, Oscar, are you a robot? Let's get into the awards. There were seven Dundies given out at this awards. I'm sure there were more given out, but what we witnessed were seven.

00:38:55 Speaker_00
There was the busiest beaver, which was the bushiest beaver to fill us. There was hottest in the office to Ryan the temp, awkward.

00:39:04 Speaker_00
There was the tight ass award given to my character because not only is she's everybody's favorite stickler, she also has a great caboose.

00:39:12 Speaker_00
The spicy curry award given to Kelly and it was actually a bowling award because they had run out of the little men holding briefcases. So she got a bowler. And then number five went to Kevin for the Don't Go In There After Me Award.

00:39:26 Speaker_00
Here's the interesting thing about that. If you look at that dundee, it's actually a little guy squatting, but it was actually a weightlifting award, and they took the dumbbell out of the guy's hands. Oh, that's so smart. So that's what Kevin gets.

00:39:39 Speaker_00
And then number six is the Fine Work Award given to Stanley. And number seven, of course, is the widest sneakers award given to Pam, which brings the house down.

00:39:48 Speaker_01
So a lot of fans asked this, specifically Courtney asked, what Dundee did Jim get? This is the first Dundee ceremony and we never see him get his award. Jim gets the Jim Halpert award. That was his Sunday.

00:40:01 Speaker_01
Yeah, it got cut out, but Jim got the Jim Halpert Award. That's awesome. So strange.

00:40:07 Speaker_00
I think Michael just thinks Jim is cool. Yeah. So you just get an award for being you.

00:40:11 Speaker_01
Correct. Please be my friend. So you talked about Ryan the temp gets the hottest in the office award. He has that great talking head then where he's being asked what he's going to do with his award.

00:40:21 Speaker_01
And he's like, I don't, that is the least of my worries right now. Well, when Greg would direct, he would often pull us aside and interview us on the fly, and that talking head was an improvisation.

00:40:33 Speaker_00
Nice, BJ. BJ improvised that. That is awesome. I have some really random cards. When you're ready for random, Jenna, I don't want to mess up your list over there.

00:40:43 Speaker_01
All right.

00:40:43 Speaker_00
But when you're ready for random, I have some random cards. I'm ready. You know what?

00:40:47 Speaker_01
Why don't we take a break, and then we'll come back to your random cards.

00:40:50 Speaker_00
Okay.

00:40:50 Speaker_01
And some more info. Really sell it. My fancy random cards. Yeah, guys, stay with us so you can hear a bunch of random stuff. Hey.

00:41:08 Speaker_00
Hey, guys, we're back. Are you ready for some random facts, Angela? All right, here's some random. Creed, I love you, but at 9 minutes 53 seconds, you pick your teeth. And I think you did it on purpose.

00:41:21 Speaker_00
I think it's creed, you just let your freak fly and you're like, you know what? I'm picking my teeth. It's on camera, it's all good. I love me some creed. At nine minutes, 58 seconds, I do an enormous Angela eye roll.

00:41:35 Speaker_00
Because Michael tells this very lame drunk driving joke, right? About spilling his drink. And I do it a massive eye roll and I have been sent that eye roll. Like people text it to me. Oh wait, are you a meme? I might be, I guess I'm an eye-roll meme.

00:41:50 Speaker_00
So, but yeah. That's exciting. That's exciting. This, guys, hang with me. This could be horrible. But I became obsessed. You know what happens, I get obsessed. So everyone is sitting at tables that kind of makes sense, right?

00:42:04 Speaker_00
You can sort of see how there's the work friendships. For example, Kelly and Toby are at a table at the Chili's. Roy, Pam, and Daryl sit together. Ryan and Jim. When Ryan isn't holding up Michael's cue cards, he goes and sits with Jim.

00:42:17 Speaker_00
This is before Pam comes back, right? Sure. At the beginning. Creed and Meredith sit together. Stanley is with his wife, Terry. Kevin, I think, is with his fiancée, Stacey. Stacey. Stacey. And Angela's in the corner with Phyllis. But where is Oscar?

00:42:32 Speaker_00
Where is Oscar? Who is Oscar sitting with, I ask myself? Well, at 11 minutes, 3 seconds, you see that Oscar is sitting between a woman and a man. The woman has long dark hair.

00:42:45 Speaker_00
Then at 15 minutes, 9 seconds, I'm sitting next to Oscar in the booth and Oscar's sitting behind me And then at 15 minutes, 40 seconds, there's a new man and woman in the booth with Oscar. What? And myself. What is happening? I don't know.

00:43:01 Speaker_00
And then at 15 minutes, 52 seconds, Oscar is back between the original woman and man. Then at 17 minutes, 38 seconds, there's a new woman with dark hair in an updo. sitting next to Oscar, and I don't know.

00:43:15 Speaker_00
It's like, he's like, between this woman and man, then it's like this random woman, this random man, then Oscar, then me, then it's Oscar back between this woman and man, but it happens within seconds.

00:43:25 Speaker_00
So like, what kind of magic is Oscar doing and me? We're like hopping all over these booths.

00:43:30 Speaker_01
Do you have a recollection from when we taped the episode that they were moving you around?

00:43:34 Speaker_00
Well, I do, I do. So in one shot, they needed to establish a reaction of everyone. And in order to do that in one sweeping pan shot, they had to stack some of us.

00:43:45 Speaker_00
So they moved me from my corner booth, and they stuck me in front of Oscar in his booth, and they pulled these other two people out. But in watching it, it's so funny to me because it's like Oscar keeps entertaining.

00:43:57 Speaker_00
He keeps having all these different people at his booth in a matter of seconds. Like, we couldn't have physically all been up and down and back and forth like that.

00:44:05 Speaker_00
And then at the very end, Oscar leaves the Chili's with the original couple that he sat with. I know, guys. And who are those people? I don't know. We never find out. We never find out. We don't know.

00:44:16 Speaker_00
But anyway, it just cracked me up because I would look back there and I'd be like, oh, who's Oscar sitting with? What? What? Huh? What? Huh? But it was like a matter of seconds. Wow. Now, here's the thing.

00:44:26 Speaker_00
If you're watching just Oscar's booth, you're missing a lot of action. that you probably should be paying attention to. But I watched this episode three times prepping for this, so I watched it once just as me.

00:44:37 Speaker_01
You clearly watched it once just to see what Oscar was doing. I clearly watched it once just to see what was happening in the background. I think something we should talk about is Pam and Roy fighting in the parking lot. Yes, let's talk about that.

00:44:49 Speaker_01
They originally said that they were not going to use the audio from this because there was no dialogue. In the script, it just said, spy shot. Pam and Roy are having a heated argument in the parking lot. Roy tugs her arm.

00:45:02 Speaker_01
Pam pulls away and heads back into the restaurant. Roy slams the truck door then gets in the other side. And that was it. Yeah. So David and I improvised a fight that we were having, and then they used it.

00:45:17 Speaker_00
Yeah. So that was so crazy. That is crazy. And I love what Pam said when she was like, you know, if you had listened, you would have known that. Of course, we don't know what you're talking about, right?

00:45:25 Speaker_00
But I was like, when Roy grabbed her arm, I was like, hey.

00:45:28 Speaker_01
I know, I know. He gets a little physical with her sometimes with the grabbing of the arm. Someone mentioned that.

00:45:35 Speaker_00
And he's a big guy. He is. So you sort of really see in that moment that Pam is just fed up and she wants to stay and she wants to be with her friends.

00:45:44 Speaker_01
And I think she wants to be with another person. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I think she wants to be with Jim, who she sits down at a table with.

00:45:53 Speaker_00
I know, and the look on his face when you come back in.

00:45:56 Speaker_01
He is so delighted. She starts drinking his beer immediately. I know. Then she orders her own drinks, and it leads us into a famous line. Who knew it would be this famous? Written by Mindy Kaling. Look what I have on my note card. It's like second drink.

00:46:11 Speaker_01
Second drink. Yes. And Andrew Nelson asked, did you ad lib second drink or was it scripted? It was scripted. And a lot of people asked about what are we really drinking? Is it really alcohol? No. No, no, we would be so wasted.

00:46:26 Speaker_00
Also, it looks like something from like a Nickelodeon slime like, like award show. Because like, have you, do you see like, if you look at Meredith's drink, it's like a neon green.

00:46:37 Speaker_01
Yeah, what was she drinking?

00:46:39 Speaker_00
I don't know, but I think they really wanted the drinks to pop so you could see them. And so they added a lot of like food dye and things.

00:46:45 Speaker_01
Well, the beer is usually just non-alcoholic beer, so the beer actually tastes like beer. And you feel bloaty. Yeah, and I don't like beer, and I don't like the taste of beer, so I hate it whenever I have to drink it on camera, because bleh.

00:46:57 Speaker_01
And then other drinks, like wine, it's usually watered-down juice. Cranberry juice. Apple juice. Yeah. And then the other drinks are anything. Sometimes it's just water with a little food coloring in it.

00:47:11 Speaker_00
Or, like, if it is supposed to look like a bourbon or something, it could just be tea. Oh, yeah.

00:47:16 Speaker_01
Yeah. Sometimes they'll brew you some tea and pour it over ice.

00:47:19 Speaker_00
I'm actually happy when you have that. Like if you have a Long Island iced tea and you're just drinking an iced tea. Yeah. Sam just pulled up for you guys listening a whole page on the internet of just me rolling my eyes and looking snarky.

00:47:30 Speaker_00
So as Angela Martin, I guess there's a lot of snarky eye roll options out there. are just snarky looks. They're not limited to the Dundies. Okay, Sam, take it down.

00:47:40 Speaker_01
I can't look at myself rolling my eyes at myself. So now we get into the tender moment where Michael is desperately trying to keep the Dundies going and the guys at the bar start to heckle him. Yeah. And he's so wounded. And Pam won't have it.

00:47:57 Speaker_00
Well, I think it's that moment, even there's a look that comes across Jim's face of like, ooh, like that, that's mean, you know? Yeah.

00:48:05 Speaker_00
And it's sort of that thing of like, you know, your creepy cousin that creeps everyone out, but you have to take up for them because they're your cousin. It's like that moment of like, okay,

00:48:15 Speaker_00
He's like family and we get to like make fun of him, but no one else can.

00:48:18 Speaker_01
That's right. And Pam starts chanting Dundies and getting people to rally around him. And I love that. And this is a little bit the relationship between Pam and Michael.

00:48:30 Speaker_01
This is the way that she shows up for him the way he shows up for her at her art show later.

00:48:35 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:48:36 Speaker_01
Like in their lowest moments, they are there for one another.

00:48:39 Speaker_00
When Pam gives him a hug when she gets her dundee, his face is so precious. He's just like, it's like the whole night was made in that moment.

00:48:47 Speaker_01
Well, Pam accepting her dundee is another famous line. Yes. I feel God in this Chili's tonight. Oh, I love it.

00:48:56 Speaker_00
So when I rewatched this, there was this moment I wrote on my note card, because when you say, I'd like to thank God for this dundee, it cuts to Jim, and Jim's reaction to you thanking God for your dundee is one of the best moments for me of the whole episode.

00:49:11 Speaker_00
It is just so sweet. He's just looking at you like, oh, my sweet little drunk friend. I love you.

00:49:18 Speaker_01
Well, I talked to Mindy about this on the day, and she had told me that Greg did not have total confidence in Pam thanking God for her dundee, but we were going to do it anyway. He was a little bit like, I don't totally get it.

00:49:30 Speaker_01
And she's like, no, you know, like whenever people win awards or they have like big sports moments, a lot of times they thank God. And I asked her, I said, but how do I do it? Because, and she said, you do it totally sincerely.

00:49:43 Speaker_01
She's like, you really are like sincerely thankful and grateful for your dundee tonight.

00:49:48 Speaker_00
And it totally made sense to me because I felt like drunk Pam thinks this is what you do when you win an award. That's right. You take a moment, you thank God, then you scream, woohoo! Yeah.

00:49:58 Speaker_01
And I loved it so much. And then after this, after she gets her dundee. Pam kisses Jim on the lips. I know, I know. Was that weird? Well, this was a big fan question.

00:50:11 Speaker_01
Caitlin asked, do you consider this episode as Pam and Jim's first kiss or do you think it's casino night? I did not consider this their first kiss. I did. John did. I disagree.

00:50:24 Speaker_00
I considered it.

00:50:25 Speaker_01
You planted one on him. The intention there was that it was accidental. The intention was that Pam was going for his cheek. Uh-huh. And it was one of those moments where...

00:50:39 Speaker_01
He moved his head in a way that I wasn't expecting, and I'm drunk, and I just followed through. That was what was in my head as Pam. So I wasn't thinking that I was intending to kiss his lips. And so Pam kind of doesn't register it. That was me.

00:50:55 Speaker_01
John said that Jim, who is not drunk, was very aware that they just kissed on the lips. And this was a whole conversation that we had off camera.

00:51:03 Speaker_00
I agree with him though, and I see both sides. I see as a drunk person, you just kind of hug and you're a little sloppy. Yeah. But I see for him as a sober person, this person he's in love with just kissed him.

00:51:15 Speaker_01
Yeah. But it was unintentional on Pam's part.

00:51:18 Speaker_00
I know.

00:51:18 Speaker_01
In her mind. I know. But a lot of people wrote in and said, oh my gosh, why didn't everyone in the office, why wasn't this a big gossipy moment? They know Pam's engaged and they all witnessed her kiss Jim.

00:51:33 Speaker_01
In my mind, it was because it wasn't really a kiss.

00:51:36 Speaker_00
It wasn't a... Oh, well, in my mind, everyone was talking about it at work. Trust me.

00:51:43 Speaker_00
Because I tell you what, Angela Martin was sitting with Phyllis in a booth when that happened, and I'm pretty sure she was like, mm-hmm, did you see the office mattress? Well...

00:51:54 Speaker_01
smooch someone else? Well, I have another fan question for you then. This one is from Amy. She said, at the end, when you drive Pam home, in my mind, Angela would be so disgusted by Pam's behavior, it seems odd that she would give her a ride.

00:52:08 Speaker_00
Well, let me tell you, Amy, if you watch the deleted scenes, because I did, you will see that Angela Martin has a talking head where she is the company's designated driver.

00:52:19 Speaker_00
And you would know that Angela Martin would take this very serious as the safety officer for Dunder Mifflin. And I have this talking head where Angela goes on to say, and you know what? No one gives me any gas money. And everyone lives all over.

00:52:33 Speaker_00
It's very expensive. Wow, that is gold. So she's always the martyr. She's doing her job, but no one gives her gas money, and she has to drive these drunks around, but she's the designated driver, and so she has to do it.

00:52:47 Speaker_01
So not only did Pam probably not give her any gas money. Yeah. She was very disappointed in her behavior.

00:52:55 Speaker_00
I'm sure Angela quietly judged her the whole drive and probably told her, you need to make some new life choices. Amy also wanted to know, was that really you driving? Yes, it was. At 20 minutes, 2 seconds in the car, you see my shoulder.

00:53:08 Speaker_00
Now, here's the thing. They wanted me every time in the car. You got in with me every time I pulled away, and then I would back up and we'd do the scene over a few times. And I had a front row seat watching Pam and Jim.

00:53:20 Speaker_00
have that sort of very tender but awkward moment where Pam has a question for him, but then notices the camera. I watched that whole thing over and over as you guys did it. And it was so great. You guys did such a fantastic job.

00:53:32 Speaker_00
And when I rewatched it, part of me was like, well, why'd they have me in the car? You don't see me anyway. But they didn't know.

00:53:39 Speaker_00
As you know, with our show, we always had an A camera and a B camera, and they would be sort of carving up the scene, and there might be this moment where they whipped around and could have seen me.

00:53:47 Speaker_00
So they wanted to make sure I was there just in case, and I was happy to be there.

00:53:52 Speaker_01
But also, I had- Yeah, a lot of times, they would use a double for that in other shows. But in our show, we were our own doubles.

00:53:59 Speaker_00
That's right, because as a documentary, you really never knew where that second camera would end up landing, and you could end up on camera. I was asked, is that a cat air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror in your car? Is it?

00:54:13 Speaker_00
It looks like it could be a cat or a tree. Guys, I don't know. I tried to zoom in on it. Oh, I hope it's a cat.

00:54:19 Speaker_01
Let's call it a cat. I hope it's a green cat. Green cat doesn't sound right now, Angela. I know, but maybe it was a Christmas cat that I held onto. Not sure.

00:54:29 Speaker_01
Something we haven't talked about is the scene where Pam falls off the stool because she is so drunk. And this leads me into a fan question. Okay. Matt Sheldon asked, how did you get Chili's to cooperate with this idea?

00:54:43 Speaker_00
Well, they were on the fence, and we almost weren't allowed to film there, remember?

00:54:47 Speaker_01
Well, here's what happened. Originally, in the script, Pam vomits all over the bar. She does not fall off the stool. She is listening to Jim, she is nodding, and then she vomits. And we had been filming for two days. Right.

00:55:03 Speaker_01
I guess suddenly they had had Chili's permission, Chili's helped build the Chili's, and someone at Chili's read the script, finally.

00:55:11 Speaker_00
Well, I guess- And freaked out. I read the script, it wasn't fully complete. They hadn't done their second pass, and so Chili's had not gotten all of the scenes. And so they didn't have the scene where Pam vomited and all of this happened.

00:55:25 Speaker_00
Well, once they read that, they shut down the production. Yes, and we thought, what?

00:55:29 Speaker_01
They said, no way. Mm-mm. They were very nervous about the drinking and the drunkenness and the sort of way that that might reflect on Chili's.

00:55:40 Speaker_01
So Greg and Mindy started scrambling, and they came up with this idea that instead of vomiting, that Pam would fall off a stool.

00:55:49 Speaker_00
Right, and then also, I think it was Rain's idea to say, well, maybe Dwight could say, oh, she's had a seizure. and not the vomiting.

00:55:55 Speaker_01
And then the other part of it was that we had to write in a new element, which is that Pam was going to get banned from Chili's. And the person who gives the speech in the episode was an actual Chili's manager franchise owner named John Bossert.

00:56:12 Speaker_01
He was not an actor. And they felt like by having an actual Chili's representative state very clearly the Chili's policy against over-serving and banning Pam for life, then they allowed us to film the rest of the episode.

00:56:28 Speaker_00
Yes, and also they had Pam, they had you as Pam. A waiter never brought you more drinks. You were reaching on other people's tables, so you were doing it, not Chili's. And you know what? I think that's great.

00:56:40 Speaker_00
I think that it was really important to Chili's that people know that they are responsible And a family establishment. And a family establishment. Yeah. And I love that Jon Bossart, an actual Chili's, like, owner, got to do that talking head.

00:56:55 Speaker_00
I thought he did a fantastic job. He did great. His look to camera when he's like, so she is banned. Like, his little look to camera was fantastic.

00:57:01 Speaker_01
And also, that aspect of Pam being banned for life was a wonderful thing that just grew into many more jokes and- I know, I loved it.

00:57:10 Speaker_00
I love that Pam is such not a troublemaker, and she's banned from a nationwide chain. Yes.

00:57:19 Speaker_01
As if there is such a system that could control that.

00:57:22 Speaker_00
I know. I have one card that's sort of around that area. So can I talk about it right now? Sure. Once again, Rainn Wilson finds a way to take off his shirt. Always taking off his shirt, Rainn Wilson. We get to see his beautiful white fleshy belly.

00:57:35 Speaker_00
Because somehow that's going to help save Pam. It was going to be a pill for your head.

00:57:38 Speaker_01
I guess so. A lot of people asked about the falling off the stool moment. Was it scripted? Did I actually do it? It was scripted. I did actually do it. But again, like being drunk, I was very nervous about falling off the stool and making it look good.

00:57:53 Speaker_01
So Greg Daniels He got on the stool and he showed me how he wanted me to fall. He said he wanted me to just keep looking at John and nodding and then slowly slip off the stool. And he's very large.

00:58:05 Speaker_00
He's very tall.

00:58:06 Speaker_01
He's tall. He's like 6'2 or something. Yeah. And so he fell down. They had padding on the floor. So he and I were both falling on padding. But John Krasinski and I, we kept pretending like we didn't understand how I should fall off the stool.

00:58:20 Speaker_00
On purpose to mess with Greg? So that Greg What are you doing to keep showing us? Oh my gosh, you were like, that's a moment where you were like real Jim and Pam, because you were pranking Greg the way you would prank Dwight. Does Greg know that?

00:58:36 Speaker_01
He does. And then Greg told me later, I guess John and I told that story in an interview, and he confronted us, he was like, guys, you know, I really hurt my back doing that. No, he did not. So we were, then we felt so bad. Gina!

00:58:54 Speaker_00
Oh my God, you guys. You, that was real life Jim Pam moment.

00:58:59 Speaker_01
It was, it was. But I love doing that. I love doing that stunt. I thought it ended up looking really good too. I was proud of it.

00:59:06 Speaker_00
I thought it looked fantastic. I thought that whole like part where you were nodding and then you were like, what? And he was like, what? And then you start laughing. It was so perfect. It was so perfect.

00:59:16 Speaker_01
This brings us to the scene with Jim in the parking lot that we were talking about a little bit earlier. A lot of people wanted to know what was Pam going to ask Jim. She wanted to bring up so many things.

00:59:28 Speaker_01
And that's what stopped her because there were so many options going through her head in that moment. And I had written out in my script all of these things that I could possibly say so that I could, in that moment, rifle through them.

00:59:44 Speaker_01
But then not pick any of them.

00:59:45 Speaker_00
Right. I think it's that moment where you have so much to say and you're like, can I ask you a question? And then it would just the floodgates would have opened. But you saw the camera and it gave you sort of this like check of like, I can't do this.

01:00:00 Speaker_00
Not here. Not now.

01:00:01 Speaker_01
And I'm so glad that she didn't because those kind of drunken confessional conversations, that wasn't going to lead to the right place.

01:00:11 Speaker_02
Mm-hmm.

01:00:11 Speaker_01
You know, I'm glad the camera was there for them in that moment. Because I think what Pam was going to say, what I had written in my script, was something along the lines of, I love you.

01:00:21 Speaker_01
Well, I think the question was going to be, you know, do you think I should break up with Roy? Yeah. What do you, do you think I'm with the wrong person? You know, those kind of leading questions. Hoping that he'd say, you are, be with me. Yes, exactly.

01:00:35 Speaker_01
So here's the crazy thing. We mentioned earlier that our second season only had six episodes picked up, that this was the third episode that we shot, and we didn't know this was gonna be the premiere of season two when we shot it.

01:00:49 Speaker_01
In fact, one of the ideas was that if we got canceled, it would be the season finale. And so I said to Greg, I think

01:00:59 Speaker_01
Just in case we get canceled, and this is the season finale, I think we should film an alternate ending to this scene in the parking lot where Pam does tell Jim how she feels, and they kiss for real.

01:01:13 Speaker_01
Not the Chili's kiss, but the real kiss, just so that we could air it and we don't leave people hanging. And Greg said, no. He said, no, if they wanna see what happens with Jim and Pam, they're just gonna have to order more episodes.

01:01:31 Speaker_01
I don't wanna give them a choice.

01:01:32 Speaker_00
There you go. He was very protective of Jim and Pam, too. He was. And what went out in the world about that relationship.

01:01:38 Speaker_01
But that shows you how much we thought we were going to be canceled. Yeah. All the time. All the time. That I was pitching ideas for how to wrap up the whole series. Just in case.

01:01:50 Speaker_00
If you think that a normal show gets, well, at that time, network TV, you would get 22 episodes, and we got six. It doesn't make you feel like anyone's really confident about what you're doing.

01:02:01 Speaker_00
Like, we didn't think NBC was like, oh, we got a winner here. I have some deleted scenes cards. Oh, tell them. Well, one of the ones I really loved is that Toby does a talking head where he says he's never won a Dundee.

01:02:13 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah. Michael refuses to give Toby a Dundee. He just leaves him out every year.

01:02:17 Speaker_00
And now everyone in the office gets a Dundee but Toby. And Toby's like, I'm okay with that. I thought that was really funny.

01:02:24 Speaker_00
And then there's a great Dwight Angela scene at the copier where Dwight is really trying to force Angela to tell him what was written on the bathroom wall. And I'm like, I don't repeat those kind of things. It's inappropriate.

01:02:36 Speaker_00
I don't say those words out loud. And then Dwight's like, does it have anything to do with his butt or his wiener? And I just walk off in a huff.

01:02:44 Speaker_00
But it's the very first time I feel like Dwight and I have some little clandestine conversation just between the two of us.

01:02:51 Speaker_01
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Pam does confess that she wrote it on the wall. She does. About Michael, but we don't find out what it was.

01:02:59 Speaker_00
Which I love too. I love what she's like, I feel bad about what I wrote. And he's like, no, you don't.

01:03:05 Speaker_01
People wanted to know, did we all get to keep our Dundies? Yes, we did. Yes, we did. We all have them. I have two. I have two as well. I have longest engagement and widest sneakers. They gave me the longest engagement that you see me win in earlier years.

01:03:21 Speaker_00
I have the tight ass award, and then from years later, which we'll get to, I have the she's kind of a bitch.

01:03:28 Speaker_01
I think Pam doesn't get a Dundee the second time around. I don't think so. There weren't as many that round. I have a final fan question. This is something for us to discuss, Angela. This is from Samantha. Okay.

01:03:40 Speaker_01
She says, the last two times I have watched this episode, which is one of my top five favorite episodes, we have immediately been hit by a tornado. What? Within 10 minutes of the line, I feel God in this Chili's tonight.

01:03:54 Speaker_01
Samantha, first of all, where do you live? Do you think I'm jinxed or is it just bad luck? Should Samantha ever watch this episode again?

01:04:01 Speaker_00
I would say, do you live in Tornado Alley? Do you live in, like, Kansas, North Texas, Oklahoma? Like, where do you live? Right. And perhaps the next time you watch it, watch it in the storm cellar?

01:04:13 Speaker_01
Or maybe hit pause right before that line. Check the weather. skip it, just skip ahead and watch the end.

01:04:21 Speaker_00
That is a crazy coincidence.

01:04:22 Speaker_01
That is crazy. That was the craziest fan question we got. I had to include it because I found it so charming. And I was a little worried about Samantha. That was it. That's the Dundies. That is the Dundies.

01:04:33 Speaker_01
And next week we will be talking about sexual harassment. The episode sexual harassment. Correct. We will be talking about the episode sexual harassment. All right, you guys. See you then. Thanks for tuning in. Thank you.

01:04:49 Speaker_00
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01:04:56 Speaker_01
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01:05:01 Speaker_00
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