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Episode: Saquon’s Big Night, a Vegas Savior Idea, Wobbly Washington, Surging Seattle, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Author: The Ringer
Duration: 01:48:49

Episode Shownotes

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Eagles' shellacking of the Rams and the wild finish to the Cowboys-Commanders game (1:43). They also discuss Cardinals-Seahawks, 49ers-Packers, Bears-Vikings, whether Sam Darnold is for real, a close call for the Chiefs vs. the Panthers (33:46), Texans-Titans, Broncos-Raiders,

Patriots-Dolphins, and Giants-Buccaneers, where they wonder, "Can Tampa steal the NFC South?" (41:24). Finally, they guess the lines for NFL Week 13 (1:02:05) and close the show with Parent Corner (1:29:06). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary

In this episode of 'The Bill Simmons Podcast,' hosts Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal analyze the recent NFL games, particularly highlighting the impact of running backs Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry on their team's success. They discuss Washington's surprising defeat affecting betting outcomes and the inconsistent performances in divisional matchups. The conversation moves to the playoff chances of various teams in the NFC, scrutinizing quarterback performances, particularly that of Sam Darnold, and the implications for upcoming games. The episode concludes with predictions for NFL Week 13 and the significance of Thanksgiving matchups.

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I always say taped because I'm old. We recorded this episode live on YouTube. You can join us every Sunday night if you want to on the Bill Simmons channel. Here we go. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right. It is Sunday.

00:02:44 Speaker_00
It is a eight 35 PM Pacific time. Just watch the Eagles. Absolutely. Kill the Rams. So I did something unusual that I wasn't going to bet on this game. And then I watched how bad the Patriots were against the dolphins.

00:02:58 Speaker_00
And I said to myself, Jesus, they should have beaten the Rams last week. That might be the Rams are bad. And I bet. Interesting. Yeah.

00:03:07 Speaker_03
Yeah, that rarely works, so congratulations, right, when we start playing mind games and double-guessing and triple-guessing things, but God, they really did look good. I hate that this is, I hate the Giants that much more.

00:03:19 Speaker_03
Not that Saquon would have been good with them, he would have been ineffective, and whatever, they don't have an offensive line or a quarterback that could help, but to let him go to the Eagles, and now, I don't know, man, they're gonna be top two in the NFC, almost no doubt now.

00:03:35 Speaker_00
Well, it seems like things have tilted too far with the running back position where the contracts went down. Everyone talked about how replaceable they were.

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And then it hit the point last summer where, or last spring when Derrick Henry and Saquon were both available. They were on bad teams.

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Their stock was down because of the quarterbacks, the coaching, you know, they're just wasted on the teams that are on bad offensive lines. And then you grab those guys and put them on a different team and they look superhuman.

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And I wonder if going forward now, we'll just know, like in fantasy, in futures and all this stuff. It's like, oh yeah, Derrick Henry was on a bad team last year. He should be in a really good situation this year.

00:04:16 Speaker_00
I don't know why this was so hard to figure out so.

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Josh Jacobs also, right? To a lesser extent, not in the top two with those guys, but yeah, I know. I know. I know. And you need a good running back to, to go far in January.

00:04:29 Speaker_03
I was wrong about all of it, but, um, you know, I, I don't know, Bill, I don't know what to tell you. Melissa starts talking about being the recipient of the tush push and I just, I can't comment. I like this job, Mike. Come on.

00:04:42 Speaker_00
Mike, thank God we're at a seven second delay. Thank God. Best running back rankings. Are Saquad and Henry one and two? Yeah. Well, I think if you're doing tandems or running back or Detroit is probably awesome conversation, right? So take one on Henry.

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It's the Gibbs Montgomery combo. And then I don't even think we can make them out Rushmore. I think those have been the, the. kind of the best running back slash whatever, and then it's like a drop-off to whoever you'd want to have next.

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Miami might have a chance to get there, because it feels like those guys are getting going now, but I think that's the top three at least.

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I want to put Ezekiel Elliott in there, but I just can't. I can't do it. Let's see, who else would it be? Well, McCaffrey. You want to put McCaffrey, but now he's stuck on the bad team. I don't know how that happened.

00:05:38 Speaker_00
Well, and he doesn't look good is the other issue, right? Yeah.

00:05:41 Speaker_03
Yeah. Do you think he looks good? No, no, no. I would never say that about another man. But no, I don't know. I don't know. He's just, that team is just falling apart. And they were so, so deep.

00:05:52 Speaker_03
And you wouldn't think, you would think they were like bulletproof for this kind of meltdown, but not the case. No way in hell they're making the playoffs now.

00:06:00 Speaker_00
Well, Henry and Barkley are 1-2 in rushing. Josh Jacobs is third, and Chewba Hubbard is fourth. So good luck on your fantasy teams, everybody.

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Yeah, I think Philly plays Baltimore next week, so in terms of this Offensive Player of the Year award, I think it's gonna be one next week, even though I think Barkley's a sizable favorite at this point.

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And he's... sneaking into the MVP conversation, he won't win. So running backs aren't allowed to win, and we'll talk ourselves out of that in two weeks.

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So we can start with Eagles, Lions, how this is a pretty amazing NFC, or we could just do the gambling angle of how Washington absolutely murdered a slew of three-team teases, money-line parlays. Just, oh, I'll throw Washington in.

00:06:53 Speaker_00
Literally nobody on Dallas is playing. Back up QB. They're missing five of their best seven guys. They need the win. I'll just put them in there. And we haven't had one of those in a while, Sal.

00:07:05 Speaker_00
where it was just a mass murder, John Wayne Gacy style, going into the basement, just getting decapitated. Just brutal. And then what made it even worse, was you're like, Oh, I can't believe I lost that game.

00:07:21 Speaker_00
And then somehow Washington comes back with this insane McLaurin play that happens once a year and they make it in that fucking kickers lining up. And I, I'm like, I should be more nervous right now. And then I'm like, I am nervous.

00:07:35 Speaker_00
And then of course, terrible snap. You knew once you saw the snap, he was going to hook it. Not only did he hook it, he missed it by, I would say 10 yards. Awful. And, and, and they, uh, end up losing the teas.

00:07:47 Speaker_00
Anyway, that probably the, the other than the hail Mary, maybe the second biggest gambling moment of the year.

00:07:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, I would think so. I would say so. Yeah. But you know, this one was a sloppy, sloppy slop fest from the start. Right. Like, and you know, also, I don't know what's going on with the kickers.

00:08:03 Speaker_03
Well, we just too spoiled in the first few weeks when everybody was making like 59 and 61 yarders. And now like, it doesn't even seem like it's raining, but everybody's kicks are getting blocked or selling far right on extra points. But yeah.

00:08:16 Speaker_03
Today from 28. Oh yeah. Yeah, and people are like, well, you know, they put more loft on it if it's closer. These coaches have to get closer. I'm like, I don't think so. I don't know. I just don't know if anyone's blocking in practice.

00:08:29 Speaker_03
But yeah, and I was, I really wanted to be mad at my team. Like, what is that McLaurin bullshit? Like, are you kidding me? We can't lay a finger on him. And then when they missed the extra point, I'm like, can't you just let me be mad at my team?

00:08:42 Speaker_00
Right.

00:08:43 Speaker_03
Can you call a timeout before the PAT so I could be mad for three minutes? Exactly. But the commies did a communist thing by not letting America cash on their three-team teaser. You're right.

00:08:55 Speaker_00
I think Washington, so I remember betting on Washington for the division at the height of the, wow, it looks like Washington's gonna actually be a really good time in this season.

00:09:06 Speaker_00
And if you go with the, if the Hail Mary doesn't happen, they're a 500 team. and they are way worse, so 12 games now. They're way worse in the second six than they were in the first six.

00:09:18 Speaker_00
Questions about whether they're even a playoff team at this point. I don't know if they get to 10. Yeah, I don't know. Listen, it was a suspicious line. There's no question. The line was too high.

00:09:27 Speaker_00
It was priced for maniacs like us to make us think twice before we did a three-teamer with them. but there was just no way I was going to be nervous with Dallas.

00:09:36 Speaker_00
What I texted you after the game, the weird thing about this game was Dallas played well, right? Like you move the ball, you ran the ball. Cooper rush was pretty good. Like he was strong completions. I was nervous in the second quarter.

00:09:49 Speaker_00
I didn't like how it was going. The defense was really active. Washington couldn't run the ball at all. And uh, and you played well enough that I actually had to you know, I had to redo the play. I had them as a cross off.

00:10:02 Speaker_00
I don't, I don't know if garbage.

00:10:05 Speaker_03
Are you talking, what are you talking about? Yeah, I can see you smile. You're such a nice little smirk.

00:10:10 Speaker_00
No, it's not Michael Corleone and Godfather three. It's Sylvia as Michael Corleone. Just when I was out, they pulled me back in.

00:10:17 Speaker_03
No, they're crossed the hell off there. This is, I say they got up for this game. I got not that you're not that fit. So I can see you're nuts. You're absolutely nuts.

00:10:29 Speaker_00
You're playing the Giants next week on Christmas. You're gonna be five and seven. You beat Cincy at home, and then you're at Carolina. He's seven and seven in three weeks.

00:10:39 Speaker_03
Don't tell me you didn't look at this. Don't tell me you didn't have more decency. I looked at it a month ago. I know what's up again. We have too many home games, first of all. We're gonna get crushed, but I think we got up for this.

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And by the way, there's no way, I didn't predict this ahead of time. I'm with the rest of the world. But we got up, wanted to show off for Dan Quinn.

00:10:58 Speaker_03
And just the same, we still needed two returns for touchdowns where our guy went untouched to pull it off. So, I don't know, I'm not buying this one.

00:11:08 Speaker_00
You needed more than that. You missed, the guy missed two PATs. Yeah, right. He missed two field goals. They got a pump blocked. We missed two mostly, yeah.

00:11:15 Speaker_00
And they gave up two kickoff touchdowns in the last five minutes of the game, which has to be a record.

00:11:20 Speaker_03
And one of the kickoffs was like mishandled at the one, and they still didn't get a finger on Turpin, who's very fast.

00:11:28 Speaker_03
Look, maybe it's this, maybe we have to look at these division games like we did in college when we're like, no, no, no, division game, take the underdog. I think every division game, except for yours, ended up one score today.

00:11:41 Speaker_03
That's not to say all the underdogs covered, but it was at least one competitive game. So I think that was four or five out of six.

00:11:51 Speaker_00
So Tennessee seven and five, I mean Washington seven and five, they have Tennessee next week, bye week at New Orleans, home Philly, home Atlanta at Dallas. There's a nine and eight in there.

00:12:04 Speaker_00
And you guys, you would have at Philly in week 17, which seems like a terrible game, but they might have everything locked up and they might have the two seed locked up by then and that game might not even matter for them.

00:12:17 Speaker_00
But you play Washington in week 18. And there's a scenario where you're a game back from Washington, week 18, all the NFC West teams have just all beaten each other. They're all nine and eight.

00:12:29 Speaker_00
There's some nine and eight, you know, clusterfuck that you could sneak in. I know you're thinking this deep down. I know you are.

00:12:36 Speaker_03
There's a scenario where I reach through the Zoom and strangle you right now. Because how do you, Packers in, right? Packers eight, right? The Vikings have nine, they're in. And then you don't think like, I'll give it to you.

00:12:51 Speaker_00
I'll give you, I'll give you six playoff teams right now. Lions, Philly, Seattle, and Atlanta. Let's say those are four division winners. Minnesota's in and Green Bay's in. So there's six. Okay. Washington, seven and five. Arizona's six and five.

00:13:07 Speaker_00
You're two behind them. The Rams are five and six. You're a game back from them. Niners are five and six and Tampa's five and six. 98 could get this seven seed. You can't rule it out. You can't. When could Dak come back?

00:13:21 Speaker_03
I'm ruling it out. He can come back as far as I'm concerned when he could come back or when he can't come back. He could be back. He could be back by the end of the year. I don't think so. Why are we talking about this?

00:13:33 Speaker_00
I love this.

00:13:33 Speaker_03
I really hate this.

00:13:34 Speaker_00
I hate that you wrote me, didn't you? No, I love it because I like torturing you. You're going to be five and seven after Thanksgiving. We bet Tampa Bay.

00:13:40 Speaker_03
Atlanta's gonna win some dumb shit-ass games, so they're gonna get to nine wins, right? And, I don't know, Seattle, Arizona, someone stupid will get that seventh seed, don't worry.

00:13:50 Speaker_03
But I will say, unless, if your point is the NFC is not scary at all, except for the two teams, and we can lock the Lions and Eagles in for the championship game, I'm all ears. Like, I would take odds on that right now. I don't like any other team.

00:14:07 Speaker_00
Atlanta's gonna win their division because they still have Vegas and the Giants and Carolina left. I thought we bet the, did you not bet Tampa? We said we were gonna bet Tampa. You didn't bet. I don't know if we ever did. Tampa's five and six.

00:14:19 Speaker_00
We did say that. But you play Tampa. You play Tampa in week 16.

00:14:24 Speaker_03
I'll say this about Washington. Obviously, you have to watch them today. You should be less confident in them. But they are a completely different team that we fell in love with that punted twice in three weeks or something.

00:14:40 Speaker_03
Like their offense is very, are you gonna get two touchdowns out of that offense? You can't guarantee it. If you look at their slate, it doesn't matter who they play. You can't guarantee that.

00:14:50 Speaker_00
First half, Quiff Kingsbury. Second half, he does this, right? That's his history. They can't run the ball. All right, be honest.

00:15:00 Speaker_00
You have to swear in your kid's life, all your Cowboys text threads you were on today, not one of them was like, hey, what's the path for us to make the playoffs? This wasn't discussed on a text thread.

00:15:09 Speaker_03
It was, but in a joking way, I think. I even tweeted Super Bowl, and all that, that doesn't count.

00:15:15 Speaker_00
So Rudy says Dak is officially out for the season. Yeah, I think he's, yeah, the IR puts him out. What if you signed Daniel Jones tomorrow?

00:15:24 Speaker_03
Well, I thought it would be funny just to match him up against Cutlets, but, I don't know. No, we're not getting to nine wins. We're not doing it. We will not do it.

00:15:35 Speaker_00
Can't be ruled out, Sal.

00:15:37 Speaker_03
You're crazy, I want them to make fun of your team. This should not be.

00:15:39 Speaker_00
Well, we're gonna do that later. Don't worry, I have plenty of spots for that. Do you think the missed PAT by Washington canceled out the Hail Mary? Now we're back to even. It's like a zero sum game. Interesting.

00:15:50 Speaker_03
I guess so, but they've been kind of crappy for a couple weeks now, right? So, I don't know, momentum wise, it might kill them further, but they have not been good at all.

00:16:02 Speaker_00
I'm gonna read you three David Chang texts all in succession. Ah, let's hear it. Washington fan, David Chang. I quit this team. Then McLaurin touchdown. I'm back, baby, I'm back. P-A-T, fuck this game. Three in a row, just like in the span of a minute.

00:16:22 Speaker_00
That was a rollercoaster ride of an awful loss. Especially because everyone there is probably like, oh my God. Hail Mary a couple weeks ago. Now this crazy McLaurin play. We're gonna win an OT. Here we go.

00:16:38 Speaker_03
But Daniels isn't what he was, right? Like even when he takes off, he looks slower. I don't even know if it's ribs with the original injury, or maybe it's just a long season. It's finally gotten to him.

00:16:49 Speaker_00
I think they can miss the playoffs, because if you look at the five loss teams, they have five losses, so does Arizona, so is Seattle. You know? And there's one spot, well, ran Seattle, whatever.

00:17:03 Speaker_00
There's an NFC title team, but the NFC West title team, but then there's another spot for the wildcard. So Washington had this, they were seven and two. Now it's like, Holy shit. Um, Atlanta has five losses, Tampa six losses.

00:17:15 Speaker_00
So I liked the way Tampa looked today and Tampa's finally gotten their team back. Evans played today. Cornerbacks are back, so they can't be ruled out either.

00:17:24 Speaker_03
I don't like that you didn't bet them with me at five to one. We said it on, like when you say you're gonna bet something with a friend, that's like worse than, then you don't do it. It's like sleeping with his wife.

00:17:34 Speaker_00
No, you know what I did? I was gonna bet it with you, and then I remembered that we weren't allowed to bet on the NFC South in a positive way. It was only shorting.

00:17:42 Speaker_03
No, I know, but plus 450, I love Tampa's schedule the rest of the way.

00:17:48 Speaker_00
You know what I'm noticing? As always, I'm reading your facial cues. First 10 minutes of the pod. How many, how many bets did you have washed in it? Like all of them?

00:17:59 Speaker_03
Oh, not all of them. Probably like 70, but not all of them.

00:18:04 Speaker_00
How many Titus Friday and Saturday games?

00:18:06 Speaker_03
Ohio State, Notre Dame, some UFC that I didn't even get to see that was in China. Yeah. I mean, I had it all. I had it all. And it's always worse when it's your team.

00:18:17 Speaker_03
It's like, ah, I can't even get weirdly excited for my team because the other team's got me.

00:18:22 Speaker_00
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I think Saquon's the number one guy on this list. Because it's not just that he improved their running back situation and just makes them more dangerous when you see all their playmakers now.

00:18:50 Speaker_00
The finishing ability of him, this team that you always felt like they would start out great and then they would kind of limp to the finish of these games. You never felt 100% on them. And now it just feels like they can extend leads.

00:19:03 Speaker_00
They're a game behind Detroit. The Lions are like, we've won nine straight. How do we not have a bigger lead than this? So I would say Barkley number one for me. What do you have?

00:19:12 Speaker_03
I would say, well, this is down the list a little bit. Although in terms of like next year for fantasy, Cortland Sutton. Out of nowhere, 90 plus yards in three of his last five games, touchdowns all over the place.

00:19:26 Speaker_03
Bo Nix, Courtland Sutton, maybe a top five hookup. Which first round wide receiver that everybody swung and missed on would you take over Courtland Sutton at this point?

00:19:39 Speaker_00
Not too many. All those $30 to $40 DJ Moore, Jaylen Waddle types. The other thing is he's made tough catches. Like he'll make touchdown catches in the corner with two guys on him, getting the feed in. Yeah, he's good.

00:19:53 Speaker_00
The other one I'd want to mention for this is...

00:19:55 Speaker_00
Jackson Smith and Jigba, the Seattle guys, 336 yards in the last three weeks, but feels like every time they need a first down, anytime it's third and eight, third and 11, third and seven, he's open somewhere, he's making a play, and he's the best receiver on that team now.

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00:22:57 Speaker_00
So speaking of JSN, Seahawk 16, Cardinal 6, this game killed me.

00:23:03 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think you had a lot more riding on this one. I could tell by our texts.

00:23:08 Speaker_00
I like the Cardinals a lot. The game came down to two terrible Kyler Murray plays. That was really, I mean, Gino threw a pick in the end zone, but you factor that in when you're taking the Seahawks. You know he's gonna have one terrible pass.

00:23:20 Speaker_01
Right.

00:23:20 Speaker_00
Kyler had been playing pretty well and pretty responsibly. The game flips in third quarter on this fourth and one where he rolls out And then he has the guy.

00:23:30 Speaker_00
He just has him for a little five yard flick pass and sails it right over his head and it's a pick six. And they were on the Seattle side and it just, it was like at least a 10 point swing. That was one.

00:23:42 Speaker_00
And then the other one, he just missed McBride when they're driving in the fourth quarter where if they had scored, they would have been able to get the ball potentially back with four minutes left. But here's where I landed, Sal.

00:23:54 Speaker_00
I don't know if I have, Who's your career leader? And God damn it. Why the hell did I bet on that guy guys? Cause I think Kyler's number one for me. He sucked me in nine different times where he's done this to me. And I always forget.

00:24:10 Speaker_00
It's like, it's like, uh, one of your friends who just has terrible taste in women and dates the same type of woman over and over again. And you're like, Why'd you what? Isn't that girl like Jenny from before? No, no, she's different.

00:24:22 Speaker_00
And that's like, oh, you're right. Same thing. Yeah. I just I can't quit. Kyler Murray just getting kicked in the teeth by him. Mine's Philip Rivers.

00:24:31 Speaker_03
I mean, Phil Rivers or Matt Ryan. I'm not even sure they're different people, actually. I think they might be the same. But it was those two, currently there's just so many, I couldn't even name one. But you're right, he was three for 12.

00:24:44 Speaker_03
If he had a little better of a game, he would have won. Yeah, three for 12 and third downs. And still favored to win that division at plus 155. Still favored.

00:24:57 Speaker_00
16 pressures on him during the game by Seattle. Five sacks. Their defense, Raheem was calling on this on the Ringer Sunday pregame show today. He was saying how he thought Seattle's defense was coming on. They did get some guys back in the middle.

00:25:10 Speaker_00
The thing that shocked me, one of the reasons I really liked Arizona was that I thought they'd be able to run up the middle and really run on them. And especially with Connor, physical type of team that Seattle's had a lot of trouble with this season.

00:25:24 Speaker_00
Connor had eight yards. but they locked him down. Arizona scoring only six points is kind of crazy. That team has talent. That was the first time. That was a must win.

00:25:33 Speaker_03
That was a must win for Seattle, right? This would have been five in a row at home, and only the Cowboys do that. I'm not even sure, and it looks like Vandal's not sure either, that Seattle is back to their Marshawn Lynch days, really.

00:25:47 Speaker_03
They're not even favored to win after taking this game.

00:25:51 Speaker_00
The only team I'm willing to cross off mentally, I wouldn't cross them off with pen but maybe with pencil is, I think the Niners are just a wrap. I don't see it.

00:26:02 Speaker_00
We do this every year with at least one NFL team where we're just, we're past performance judging them and we don't wanna see what we're watching now. They've lost too many guys, they're not the same team.

00:26:12 Speaker_00
It wasn't even that they didn't have Purdy today, their defense got annihilated. The Packers ran it, Jacobs was the best guy in the field. They couldn't get their defense off the field.

00:26:23 Speaker_00
So even if Purdy had played or not, I don't think it would have changed the result. Do you?

00:26:26 Speaker_03
Too many injuries. When McCaffrey was hurt, right? They had good fill-ins, that was fine. They kept their heads above water. And then like, all right, Ayuk is out. All right, it's all right. They still have, you know.

00:26:39 Speaker_03
oh, well, Debo Samuel hasn't done anything. Then you convince yourself Jawan Jennings is great. Now it's like, wow, they have really nothing offensively if Kittle's gonna play every other game.

00:26:48 Speaker_03
But the one thing I thought today, I was like, didn't you feel like, I'm not betting the Packers, because we haven't praised Kyle Shanahan in years, and this could be the game where he puts it together, a nice game plan for Brandon Allen.

00:27:01 Speaker_03
Nope, nope, nope, not even close, it's over.

00:27:05 Speaker_00
So I had the Packers for million dollar picks, then Purdy got hurt and the line went up. And I was like, this has all the makings of a stay away in real life. The line's up too high, Shannon. So I wasn't gonna bet it.

00:27:19 Speaker_00
And then the Washington game happened. I'm like, all right, Broncos with the Packers, let's go. Just throwing teams together to try to win money back. But I still like this Packers team. And I know even today, like love wasn't great today.

00:27:37 Speaker_00
He was fine, but he missed, he got, he had Watson had, what do we make a Watson?

00:27:43 Speaker_00
Is he just like, I was texting our fantasy guys, Danny, Danny and Craig about, I was just like, like, is this guy, has he killed more fantasy teams and seasons than any race? He's not like, he's like a marquee receiver, but

00:27:56 Speaker_00
This pass today, he's wide open, he's running like a gazelle, he's beating two guys, it's right in his hands, and he just muffs it like the dude from The Replacements. But anyway, that was Love's big touchdown that he didn't get.

00:28:11 Speaker_00
But I thought they looked pretty good.

00:28:12 Speaker_03
Yeah, they did, and they stomped out whatever offense the 49ers had, so it didn't matter, and they had good field position most of the way. But yeah, they're definitely a playoff team.

00:28:22 Speaker_03
They're definitely not as good as, I think we get accustomed, and we'll talk about the Vikings, but you think teams like Green Bay and Minnesota should crush other teams like the Lions do every week, and they don't until this week when Green Bay stepped up.

00:28:36 Speaker_03
But you know what, you did a smart thing, because you just can't rely on bad quarterbacks. It's a miracle that Levis won. It's a miracle that Cooper Rush won. And then you're like, all right, that's out of the way. This is, this is filling out nicely.

00:28:50 Speaker_00
Right.

00:28:50 Speaker_03
I'm going to go against Brandon Allen. And who else did you go against? Minshew. That's a nice little call.

00:28:55 Speaker_00
I was one of my favorite favorites all week. We had them a million dollar picks teased with, uh, Washington Casey to two teams that almost lost. I should have just done the Broncos, uh, money line. I love the Broncos against the Raiders.

00:29:08 Speaker_00
So the, the Packers are somehow eight and three. Yeah. Doesn't feel like an 8-3 season, but it says that's their record. So they're going to be no worse than a 6 seed.

00:29:22 Speaker_00
And I think you want to be the 6 seed this year because that means you're either playing the NFC South, Atlanta or Tampa, or you're playing, you know, Seattle, Arizona.

00:29:33 Speaker_00
Well, those two, the seven plays, the two, the six plays, the three, three seats going to be there. Yeah, that's fine. So they're right where they need to be. But then if you're the six seed, you also, Oh, do they recede after the in around two?

00:29:49 Speaker_00
They do.

00:29:50 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:29:50 Speaker_00
This is going to play Detroit around two. Yeah.

00:29:53 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:29:54 Speaker_00
But no, you want to be the five seat.

00:29:56 Speaker_03
Well, I would thinking about it as Minnesota, a favorite at Atlanta. If, uh, if that's a first round match. I mean, I wish I can get into Minnesota. I can't bet them any weeks. And they're a weird team. Like Donald goes for 330, but Jefferson only has 27.

00:30:14 Speaker_03
I don't know.

00:30:15 Speaker_00
He had seven at the end of the regulation. So our seeds right now would be 27 Philly-Washington, 36 Seattle-Green Bay, 45 Atlanta-Minnesota.

00:30:28 Speaker_00
And I think you're right, I think Minnesota is like a two and a half point favorite if we don't know what's gonna happen in the next five, six weeks. Seattle Green Bay, see you go through Green Bay's schedule the rest of the way.

00:30:41 Speaker_00
First of all, this Miami game they have Thursday night, now actually a week ago I wouldn't have said this was that fun of a game. Now I'm kind of excited for it. The way Tua looked today, right? All of a sudden that's a good game.

00:30:52 Speaker_00
And then they're at Detroit the next week, then they're at Seattle. So this could go from 8-3 to 8-6 in two and a half weeks. And then they play at Minnesota in week 17 too. You know, they could be all over the place.

00:31:07 Speaker_03
I think you're right about the seven seed getting, having nine wins, which in that case, Green Bay doesn't have to worry about falling to seven.

00:31:14 Speaker_00
No.

00:31:14 Speaker_03
They'll get to 10.

00:31:15 Speaker_00
Plus your team could potentially make it. Shut up. With Daniel Jones.

00:31:19 Speaker_03
Daniel Jones leads the Cowboys. Daniel Jones is Jerry Jones' illegitimate son, and we learn about it on Thanksgiving.

00:31:26 Speaker_00
I can't believe it. How did they do that? Speaking of the Seahawks, really good interception title battle going on right now. We have a three-way tie at 11 with Gino and Mahomes and love.

00:31:39 Speaker_00
And then your guy, Sam Darnold, your preseason pick when we did our futures draft, you had Sam Darnold. What was it like 10 to one?

00:31:46 Speaker_03
I think so, yeah, somewhere around there.

00:31:49 Speaker_00
He's only one back. He's got 10. Somehow Goff isn't in the top four, he had five picks in a game.

00:31:55 Speaker_03
I thought Caleb Williams would be up there too, just shaking off the rookie rust, but he had four weeks where he didn't have a touchdown or an interception.

00:32:09 Speaker_00
Did he have one today? He had a touchdown today?

00:32:14 Speaker_03
Uh, he had, yeah.

00:32:16 Speaker_00
You know why I know that? Cause I bench DJ more, uh, the, uh, the Seahawks they're at the jets amid could Aaron Rogers be cut rumors. If Aaron Rogers got cut before December, before the Netflix thing came out,

00:32:36 Speaker_00
What would the odds have been on that in August? Aaron Rodgers will be healthy, but cut before December. 100 to one, 50 to one, what would you have said? 200 to one?

00:32:46 Speaker_03
No, he's a fricking basket, he's a basket case. Five to one, of course that's a pop-up. Five to one. Yeah, why not? Or cut, I'd feel he walked away from the game. That's what I would think would happen.

00:32:59 Speaker_03
I said enough about him, but I don't think they're planning it around any Netflix release at this point. Yeah, he's got, he's going to have the phantom injury just like we all said, and that'll be that.

00:33:11 Speaker_00
It's probably going to be this week against Seattle. It's a home Jets game. So that's Seattle's first game. Gino Smith, back at the old team. Then they're at Arizona, rematch. Home Green Bay, home Minnesota at Chicago at the Rams.

00:33:26 Speaker_00
So we had, I went back and looked at all the future bets I made, and I think I had the most bets on Seattle, which I might have made a mistake and accidentally bet on their over twice.

00:33:36 Speaker_00
But I had them most on their over to make the playoffs and to win the division. I had the trifecta, and I thought it was dead two weeks ago.

00:33:45 Speaker_03
I think that's the only division that's gonna come down to week 18. I mean, I don't see how it doesn't at this point.

00:33:51 Speaker_03
I mean, these five and five teams, six and five, they're gonna split everything the rest of the way, and it's gonna be for positioning final week in January.

00:34:00 Speaker_00
All right, so our Sunday night NBC week 18 game.

00:34:05 Speaker_02
What do they have?

00:34:06 Speaker_00
Seattle at the Rams or Arizona against San Francisco. So it could be Seattle at the Rams. That feels very semi-rightish.

00:34:15 Speaker_03
You gotta go with the quarterbacks, yeah. I mean, if Purdy's still upright, then maybe it has a chance, but I think you're right. I think Seattle.

00:34:21 Speaker_00
If the Rams are a game back?

00:34:25 Speaker_03
Yeah. It all depends, right? They have to be playing for something.

00:34:31 Speaker_00
So the Niners game, the Niners lose by 28. McCaffrey's 11 for 31. 37 yards receiving. and has had one of the most disappointing fantasy seasons in a while, considering he came back. But there was some, Green Bay, Dobbs got a concussion.

00:34:49 Speaker_00
Probably no Alexander, and they're playing Thursday on Thanksgiving. So we'll see what happens with that. San Francisco.

00:34:55 Speaker_03
Yeah, but the Dolphins have a huge handicap in that they're gonna be playing in something less than 72 degrees.

00:35:02 Speaker_00
Oh, it's gonna be freezing. Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that.

00:35:05 Speaker_03
It's gonna be a fun one.

00:35:06 Speaker_00
And then San Francisco's at Buffalo, which could be, they're five and six, that could be it. That's it, that's it anyway. Look at the rest of, even beyond that week. It's really bad. You mentioned Vikings-Bears.

00:35:20 Speaker_00
So, they play, the Vikings play Detroit in week 18. And they're only a game back.

00:35:31 Speaker_00
It's not inconceivable that that game would decide the win seed, but I watch these Vikings games, and I felt this way for a month, I'm sure you have too, where you're like, how are they doing this?

00:35:43 Speaker_00
Today, it looked like they blew the game, because they didn't get the onside kick, but then Darnold was awesome in OT, and that was why they won. All of a sudden, Darnold really heated up, and he's done this a couple times.

00:35:55 Speaker_00
I can't tell, do you think he's sucking us in like Flacco did last year, or this is more real?

00:36:00 Speaker_03
He might a little bit, but you know, just like you said, you were surprised that the Packers had what, eight wins? I can't believe this team has nine wins.

00:36:07 Speaker_03
They struggle with all the teams that the Lions, and their game behind the lines, like you said, they struggled with all the teams that the Lions just obliterated, right?

00:36:15 Speaker_03
The Titans, the Jaguars, it all came down to like, you know, this was a fourth quarter game. And, uh, and even this one, like the bears, I had the bears plus three and a half. I know you don't like that, but I did have it at three and a half.

00:36:29 Speaker_03
Um, and, uh, it came, it came down to the kick that, I mean, you have to take away three points on the bear spread every week because of special teams. It's so bad.

00:36:38 Speaker_03
I've never seen a punt return or wave everybody off and then get hit by the punt himself.

00:36:47 Speaker_00
The montage of them at the end of the season would be pretty great. Yeah, so on our Sunday pregame show, you're Wise Wager. You're 10 and two now. You had the Bears three and a half. It was three and a half at 7.57.

00:36:59 Speaker_00
We start the show at eight Pacific time. And at 8.10, the line went to three. I don't know if you moved the line or what happened.

00:37:06 Speaker_03
I think I did move it. Take credit for it. I'm going to say I'm announced three and a half and then you text like, this spread is three everywhere. The spread Nazi Bill Simmons weighs in. So I was like, what are we going to do?

00:37:18 Speaker_03
We have graphics everywhere. This is TV Nazi. I don't know. You know, you make music documentaries. You don't understand sports where you have to put the graphics on as they're gone. But that's how it is. So.

00:37:29 Speaker_00
Hey, if you said it was three and a half at 757. Thank you. That's when you guys were starting to show up. I'm just saying it was a pretty lucky break.

00:37:36 Speaker_03
It's my 757 bet. That's all. That's what I call it.

00:37:38 Speaker_00
Pretty lucky break. So Minnesota, they played three games in a row at Jacksonville, at Tennessee, at Chicago. And they won those games by five, by 10, and by three in overtime. In week nine, they beat the Colts 21-13.

00:37:55 Speaker_00
In week five, they beat the Jets 23-17. And in week four, they won at Green Bay 31-29. They have not had a blowout win since week three when they beat Houston. Their next three games are at home. Arizona, Atlanta, Chicago on a Monday night.

00:38:12 Speaker_00
All super winnable. At Seattle, home Green Bay, at Detroit to finish it. I don't know what their final record's gonna be. It could be like 14 and three.

00:38:23 Speaker_03
Yeah, I know. And they have all these one-score wins, and I guess you can compare it to two years ago with Cousins when they had all the one-score wins, but they won the division, and they were a high seed right that year.

00:38:35 Speaker_03
This time, they're gonna have to do it on the road, so when are they gonna surprise us? When they blow it, or when they just march all the way to the Super Bowl?

00:38:43 Speaker_00
I think this is a better team than that Cousins team. Really? Yeah, because The Aaron Jones piece, they have two good receivers. Hockinson finally came back. I feel like they can move the ball when they actually need to.

00:38:56 Speaker_00
And Darnold, I want to not believe it, but he's, you know, we've seen guys, the Gino Baker, like there's a track record for this now. Worst case scenario, probably Case Keenum.

00:39:10 Speaker_03
who was also on Minnesota. I just can't explain how Jefferson has 20. So he didn't get hurt, did he? Maybe I missed that he sat out.

00:39:17 Speaker_00
Well, there was one play in the second half. He had like a 60-yard touchdown. He tiptoed down the line and scored and got called back. Called back, all right. So I think that was his big one. Okay, Chiefs-Panthers is another one we have to talk about.

00:39:38 Speaker_00
Chiefs 37, Panthers 27. This was the other sweated out part of the tease that was actually hitting as the Washington game was. So I have two things on this one. One is that KC is just Milton Berling it every week now.

00:39:57 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:39:58 Speaker_00
They're barely pulling it out of the zipper in these games. And then it's like, all right, you guys tied and got the two point. Okay. Now my home's just like flying around.

00:40:06 Speaker_00
They're throwing a Kelsey, but it just feels like they're trying to get to January when you watch them. With that said, Hopkins got going a little today. Worthy Apparently they have Hollywood Brown coming back.

00:40:20 Speaker_00
Kelsey, this gray always seems to make one big catch. Um, they can run the ball. Their offense looks like it's in better, way better shape than it was a year ago. Um, the, any concern with them yet? Cause I don't have any.

00:40:32 Speaker_03
Well, it's interesting, because I'm both unimpressed with KC, but I'm also like you. I won't say Milton Berle. I mean, we have plenty of dick jokes in this podcast, but I'll use it more PG-13.

00:40:44 Speaker_03
I think it's more, I think they were like playing, it's like when you play horse with your seven-year-old son and you spot him, H-O-R-S. Yeah.

00:40:53 Speaker_03
But then you don't want him to win, so you try, all right, I'm going to start doing lefty hook shots and everything, because you can't ultimately let him win. I think that's what they did. But also, what's going on?

00:41:02 Speaker_03
Like they had, like Mahomes had like 180 yards passing at half. They had 10 points in the first quarter. It looked like they could score 50. Can they just get back to that after a loss? Do they have to make you sweat it out like this?

00:41:17 Speaker_00
Mahomes, we have one of the futures bets that we did when we did our future draft was Mahomes to get to 4,000 yards.

00:41:25 Speaker_03
Oh, he's not. No, it's going to be tight.

00:41:27 Speaker_00
I think he can do it. He's got to average like, he's over 2,400 right now. So he's got to average, I don't know, like 260 a game the rest of the way. But I can't believe I'm sweating that out.

00:41:41 Speaker_00
Mahomes is going to play every game, 17 games, and that throw for 4,000 yards.

00:41:46 Speaker_03
They're going to go 15 and 2, and he's going to be stuck at like 3,700 yards. But you know until uh, noah gray starts dating olivia rodrigo. I don't think the world is gonna be right. That'd be great Or sabrina carpenter.

00:42:00 Speaker_00
Yeah. Um, I just want the other thing is I thought price young was good in this game Yeah. Especially in the second half. I thought there were plays where they, apparently he was 11 for 13 on blitzes. That was the stat I saw on the internets.

00:42:14 Speaker_00
But there were plays where it just, you kept waiting for him to make a terrible Bryce Young pass or a tip play or, but he had a lot of poise. He delivered on some third and longs. Yeah, some gutty third down conversions.

00:42:27 Speaker_00
Moved around, bought himself time. I don't remember a situation like this. We've seen a guy lose his mojo on a team where it seemed like it was over and then he went to another team. But not in the same season with the same team is pretty unusual.

00:42:43 Speaker_03
It is bizarre. I think we both thought Andy Dalton, this was his team for the rest of the year, right?

00:42:49 Speaker_03
And then, I don't know, it's not the same as what's going on with Richardson, although I don't even know what's going on with Richardson, because they brought him back, right? He was bad today. Not good.

00:42:59 Speaker_00
Tough matchup.

00:43:00 Speaker_03
Yeah. Um, so no, I'm impressed with him. I mean, as long as he doesn't embarrass himself and he's not even close to doing that, he's putting up points and staying close with Kansas city, put them in the seven seat.

00:43:10 Speaker_03
They're getting it before the Cowboys Carolina.

00:43:13 Speaker_00
There we go. The weird thing about this. So Dalton has the job and they're playing okay with them and it looks like he's in, they're talking about, can you trade for Bryce Young? Are they going to wave them after that? Like what's,

00:43:27 Speaker_00
trade him to the Giants before you go to overseas. Yeah. Don gets in a car accident. Right. And he's with his wife and all three of his kids and they're driving home from the school pickup and they get in an accident.

00:43:41 Speaker_00
And it's like they're banged up, but nothing like too bad. Like they weren't like airlifted to the hospital or anything, but it was like bad enough that he didn't play that week. Right. So Young, they were like, what else are we gonna do?

00:43:52 Speaker_00
I guess we gotta start Bryce Young, this guy whose confidence we just murdered. So the only reason he gets his job back is this bizarre fender bender with Andy Dalton leaving his kid's school, and now he's gonna have the job the rest of the way.

00:44:04 Speaker_00
Why, I think it was Bryce Young.

00:44:05 Speaker_03
I see what you're saying. You think Bryce Young should be brought in for questioning? Interesting. I hadn't even considered that. Wow. That's good.

00:44:11 Speaker_00
You said it, I didn't. No, it was just, I can't remember a weirder saga than this.

00:44:18 Speaker_03
It is strange, but.

00:44:18 Speaker_00
If he don't has it, gets an offender bender, like he's like us, driving our, you know, like you picking up Harrison.

00:44:24 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:44:25 Speaker_00
And now he doesn't have his job anymore. Not since Tyrod Taylor getting stabbed by the team doctor has there been a weirder way for a guy to lose his job.

00:44:34 Speaker_03
That franchise, we should pay more attention between that owner and everything else that goes on with that franchise. They're right up there. They're not like Clippers, they're not Donald Sterling Clippers yet, but they get there.

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00:46:54 Speaker_00
Titans beat the Texans. Texans have, I think, locked down the Shakey's game now. I don't think there's any stopping them. It's a wrap now. They're seven and five. Everybody in the AFC wants to play them in round one.

00:47:08 Speaker_00
They're really singularly unimpressive. Will Levis, who even when he's playing well, still has to throw a pick six to the other team. Like he can't help himself and fumble and does, but somehow Tennessee wins anyway.

00:47:22 Speaker_00
You guys talked about this game a lot in the Sunday pregame. It had a whiff to it.

00:47:28 Speaker_03
Yeah. Well, first of all, there's always one AFC South game that where you're like, nah, the first place team has to beat the fourth place team. And it doesn't hold true.

00:47:36 Speaker_03
Secondly, the Titans, like even though they had no business winning this, their defense is really good. Like by every metric, they're either first, second or third and passing red zone. Take a look at rushing.

00:47:48 Speaker_03
They held the Texans to 260 yards and 40 yards rushing. Um, I don't know what's what with CJ Stroud. I hope that he hasn't been figured out because everyone's like, oh, there's enough tape on him. I'm like, no, I don't want to hear that.

00:48:00 Speaker_03
But three touchdowns, five interceptions in the last five games, it'll be enough to win the AFC South. But my God, you're right. This is definitely the team we want to play.

00:48:11 Speaker_00
Does it ever look like he has a ton of time? when you watch, it always seems like he's backpedaling or he's under duress and just. Titans bring it though, yeah. With all that said.

00:48:22 Speaker_02
He wasn't under duress against my Cowboys, yeah.

00:48:25 Speaker_00
They missed the 28 yard field goal to tie the game.

00:48:28 Speaker_02
Right.

00:48:29 Speaker_00
And then they did have the ball back near the end and he pulled an Orlovsky and they ended up getting a safety, so. That was nuts. They hung around, they gave up an 80 yard touchdown on the fucking tight end, when has that ever happened?

00:48:41 Speaker_00
It was a weird one, but a classic AFC South game. Then Broncos Raiders, the Vegas that now has seven straight losses.

00:48:53 Speaker_00
and Bobby Bacala and Antonio Pierce was playing with his trains on the sidelines again as his team was trying to cover and somehow didn't. Broncos plus or minus five and a half. Raiders, guy gets tackled on the one yard line with like 12 seconds left.

00:49:07 Speaker_00
They somehow don't score.

00:49:08 Speaker_03
First and goal, 20 seconds left. What's the odds of the Raiders covering, do you think? They need to score. First and goal, 20 seconds left. No timeout. So they're gonna pass, they're gonna pass, then maybe run.

00:49:20 Speaker_00
You could QB sneak, you're probably getting it. But the funnier thing was that they're just running like a non-two-minute drill down 10, where everyone else usually kicks the field goal when it gets to like the 30s, so you have more time.

00:49:32 Speaker_00
They're taking their time, going down, trying to make plays. It honestly looked like he was just trying to cover.

00:49:39 Speaker_03
that he had given up on winning the game. The coach was, but Desmond Ritter's like, you know what, I'm not doing this. I'm not for the moral victories. I'll throw the fade out of the end zone, and then I'm gonna get sacked, and that'll be that.

00:49:50 Speaker_03
I'm not even gonna rush to the odds, rush to the line.

00:49:54 Speaker_00
So their three quarterbacks, Minshew, O'Connell, and the Riddler, Desmond Ritter, the big three. 11 touchdowns, 11 picks. Could we have a quarterback or have more picks than touchdowns this season? It's in play.

00:50:09 Speaker_03
That'll be fun.

00:50:10 Speaker_00
That's like what we grew up with.

00:50:12 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:50:13 Speaker_00
We're like Richard Todd would have 16 touchdowns and 27 interceptions.

00:50:17 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's right. Can I read you an unbelievable stat? Yeah. The Raiders have lost eight straight to rookie quarterbacks. So they are now- That's an actual stat? That's a stat, yeah. That's from ESPN. So they're like the enhancement talent.

00:50:33 Speaker_03
They're like the SD Jones now. Like if you want to make Bo Nicks look good, if you want to make Bo Nickel look good, like in the UFC, you'll put them up against what would be the Raiders of the UFC. I think they're more Frankie Williams.

00:50:47 Speaker_00
Frankie Williams?

00:50:49 Speaker_03
Got his ass kicked on Piper's pit. One of my top three moment of me growing up, sadly.

00:50:55 Speaker_00
So Vegas has lost seven straight, pretty much guaranteed a top three. This was in the ESPN, the summary of the game. It said what we learned about the QB today. This is an actual paragraph.

00:51:08 Speaker_00
While Gardner Minshew threw a game-turning third quarter interception, parenthesis, his 10th, and Aiden O'Connell, broken right thumb, is now eligible to come off IR.

00:51:17 Speaker_00
A short week means Minshew probably still starts at Kansas City, unless his left shoulder injury is worse than expected. Desmond Ritter, anyone? Question mark.

00:51:27 Speaker_00
He was strip-sacked upon entering the game, denying the Raiders their best attempt to tie the game. This is a fucking shit show. It's one thing to have bad quarterbacks. Why can't these guys side Daniel Jones? I guess they don't want it.

00:51:39 Speaker_00
They want to be bad, right?

00:51:40 Speaker_03
That write up is, uh, it's like a, like a game changer for little league, like tries to be nice when they're like, yeah, they made seven errors, but, uh, you know, a mighty comeback and they only ended up losing Bobby had a couple of strong swings.

00:51:54 Speaker_03
He picked his nose, he ate some boogers, but then botched it in the bottom of the seventh. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, of course they want to lose, but they have so much to do. This, I don't know what the, I don't think they'll ever be good.

00:52:05 Speaker_03
Why do I always bet them? Like, why the fuck am I still on this team all the time? You had them to make the playoffs or just over? To make the playoffs. I'm an idiot. That was my big swing and miss. I have like 10 swings and misses, yeah.

00:52:23 Speaker_00
Kyle, turn the TikTok camera. So Vegas is gonna have a top three pick. I would assume their coach Bobby Bacala is not gonna, he's gonna go back to being Uncle Junior's driver after this season. They're gonna need a coach. They need a quarterback.

00:52:40 Speaker_00
This has Chider Sanders and Deion Sanders written all over it. Like all over it. And by the way, I'm here for it. Yeah. The Vegas Raiders with Dion and his son, like I'm, I'm in, that would be great.

00:52:53 Speaker_00
The merch would be the number one merch, the Sanders, like hard knocks, 10 year contract. Like let's, let's go. What are we waiting for?

00:53:00 Speaker_03
I'm with you. Mark Davis is nothing like, you know, people are saying Shador and Dion go to Dallas. Not going to happen. Cause Jerry, Mark Davis has nothing like Jerry. First of all, his hair is beautiful. It really is impeccable.

00:53:12 Speaker_03
Secondly, he doesn't care who gets the spotlight. He just wants to be Raiders. That is the perfect, perfect move for them, Shador and Dion. Do it.

00:53:22 Speaker_00
People like Shador too. Yeah. Yeah, they talk about tough, he's athletic, like he's a leader, brings a bunch of stuff to the table. Broncos, seven and five. Sean Payton, fist pumps at the end of the game.

00:53:38 Speaker_00
They have Cleveland next week, bye week, Indy, at the Chargers, at Cincy, and then week 18, home KC, in a game where I assume KC will have the one seed locked up, and whoever their backup, who's their backup quarterback this year? The Chiefs?

00:53:57 Speaker_00
Whoever it is, he's playing in week 18. Why can't Denver looks like a 10 win team. It's amazing. We talked about this in the over under pod before the year and it was, you know, they had a lot of the,

00:54:11 Speaker_00
lot of the makings of a possible like sneaky seven seed, but I, the defense looks so bad on paper. It didn't make sense.

00:54:18 Speaker_03
But Carson Wentz, by the way, for, for the chiefs, but I'm with you. Yeah. So he'll, he'll get one more shot at, at gold, but I don't know. What do you think they'll lie, what their odds are to make the playoffs?

00:54:32 Speaker_03
I was looking at this before we hopped on Denver. Probably like minus 130. Oh wow, you're good. It's minus 154. I thought it would be much higher. Like aren't they gonna be, to me like they're good.

00:54:46 Speaker_03
They're decent, they can move the ball, they play defense. Well coached. As far as like, they're well coached. They're not gonna embarrass you on national television, right? They have a Monday night game coming up.

00:54:56 Speaker_03
It's like the networks are happy to have them. I think this is a good team. They're not gonna get to 10. I have to re order my, my, I'm not sure like who's going to beat them out at this point, not the cults.

00:55:08 Speaker_00
And I feel like I've watched a lot of Broncos cause we get these late games on the West coast and there's only like three or four games. So I feel like I've seen like a lot of their games. And uh, first of all, Nick's has gotten,

00:55:20 Speaker_00
He's just night and day from that Jets game when he threw for 60 yards. It's like a different human being, but it's kind of a badass. Like he talks shit. They had that, they ran a replay today and he's just screaming at the defense 11 of their team.

00:55:34 Speaker_00
Now, granted, he's like a 30 year old rookie. He's like Scott Bakula, necessary roughness, but, um, but he's at the way he carries himself. He doesn't carry himself like a rookie. He's gotten better. week to week.

00:55:46 Speaker_00
I think he has real chemistry with Courtland Sutton, which you mentioned earlier. And I don't know, I could see them in the playoffs tonight. I wouldn't, if they're in the playoffs, I wouldn't be like, Oh, I can't wait to bet against Denver.

00:55:57 Speaker_00
Like I think they're pretty frisky.

00:55:58 Speaker_03
Well, this is a question. If you put the chargers in, right. You're gonna put, who else are you gonna put in? You're gonna put the Steelers in.

00:56:07 Speaker_00
It's Chargers, Ravens, or Steelers. So it's the Bengals.

00:56:10 Speaker_03
They have to beat out the Bengals, but the Bengals are like plus 350. They play the Bengals, so that's gonna be an interesting. There's another team. Who else? The Dolphins. Don't say the Colts. I think they go away this week, but we'll see.

00:56:24 Speaker_00
You know I agree, because it's cold weather, but if they can somehow pull off this green bag game, it gets pretty fun for them, because they'd have the Jets at home, which is suddenly a way easier game than it looked like.

00:56:37 Speaker_00
When we had this written down before the season, when we were talking about their over-under, this looked like a death stretch. Where it went at Green Bay, home Jets, at Houston, home San Francisco, at Cleveland, at the Jets.

00:56:50 Speaker_00
It was like, oh my God, it's brutal. Now it's like both those Jets games, San Francisco, at Cleveland, none of those games are hard except this Green Bay game. So all they have to do is get to 10 and seven.

00:57:05 Speaker_03
I mean, much like the Vikings, I still don't know how they're not doing this with their best player. Like Jefferson can't, hasn't been lighting it up and neither has Tyree Kill.

00:57:14 Speaker_03
I mean, you got this John News Smith who's, they should just trade paychecks at this point. Or maybe Tyree Kill needs to get arrested every week because he doesn't show up for these games.

00:57:24 Speaker_03
And I don't know, I just, I think they'll be stuck at eight or nine wins, but.

00:57:28 Speaker_00
I like this Denver team. We'll see. If they lose this Green Bay game, it's going to be a lot. They'll basically have to sweep the rest of the way, I think. Right. Because they would be five and seven at that point.

00:57:38 Speaker_00
The good news for them is in the pregame show for NBC today, Jason Garrett was raving about Tua, who was really good today, and compared him to Magic Johnson. the way he was spreading the ball around.

00:57:53 Speaker_00
And at that point, I don't know if NBC has this person on staff, but there probably should be like one of those giant things that cops use to tase suspects. That's where somebody should just run on the set and just tase Garrett. Yeah.

00:58:08 Speaker_00
And he would still be smiling if he was electrocuted by a taser. He's like, ah, that was great.

00:58:14 Speaker_03
In his defense, he's an idiot. I think that's all you can really say.

00:58:19 Speaker_01
Yeah, I forgot.

00:58:19 Speaker_03
Because there's that. I mean, there are like four taser moments for Jason Garrett. And when they're going over the highlights and Baker Mayfield's making fun of Tommy DeVito and doing the hand thing, and Jason Garrett's like, how

00:58:32 Speaker_03
about a little helping a gaba ghoul. And then he's laughing, laughing like a school girl. And I'm like, not that I'm offended because he made an Italian reference. I'm offended that he's the worst head coach of our generation.

00:58:44 Speaker_03
And he's talking at me through my television set. That's why I can't stand it.

00:58:48 Speaker_00
I think he offended that he said gaba ghoul correctly. And I didn't when I was half Italian.

00:58:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, I know. I like you and you are half Italian.

00:58:55 Speaker_00
So that's a difference. Well, Miami looked good today, but they were putting the Patriots. I thought the Patriots were a live dog today, that the game would be close and that they'd be able to move the ball up and down the field.

00:59:07 Speaker_00
And Nephi Kyle watched the game with me and can attest, I was about as locked in as I've been in a while on a Pats game. Well, they did move the ball down the field, maybe not up and down. It was down the field, the other direction.

00:59:19 Speaker_00
They had nine first half penalties. Right. But the really special thing is six of the nine were pre-snap, which is basically like we don't practice.

00:59:31 Speaker_00
You have pre-snap, it's like, that's what, like if you're a high school team and the ninth grade left tackle, it keeps forgetting that it's on two instead of on three. It's six pre-snap penalties.

00:59:42 Speaker_00
They got, May got sacked four times, but was running for his life half the game. He had two turnovers, one was May's fault, one wasn't, it got tipped. Mayo loses a challenge. Did you see this? Yes. I know what you're going to say.

00:59:59 Speaker_00
For the viewers, they throw to Waddle for 19 for a first down. And there's also a pass interference on the play. So it's a first down either way for the Dolphins. But it looks like the ball hits the ground.

01:00:12 Speaker_00
Mayo says, fuck it, and challenges the catch to, I guess, save 14 yards. And then they said, no, it was a catch. So we lost our challenge on a play that would have been a first down anyway.

01:00:25 Speaker_00
For Dolphins, you see stuff every week with this team that you just never see before. We had the same left tackle, had three pre-snap penalties in the first half.

01:00:38 Speaker_03
he won't, this coach is really something else. I was like, ah, you're exaggerating, but you saw his comment in the post-game presser. He said, oh, there's not much I can do once they cross the white line.

01:00:51 Speaker_03
It's like, oh my God, you're not supposed to say that. You definitely didn't say that in the interview. Of course, just like you said, they should be coached better, and then they wouldn't be having these pre-snap penalties.

01:01:02 Speaker_03
That's like you and I saying, well, why would we do a podcast? Let the players do the talking. and then we'll see what the records are at the end of the year.

01:01:09 Speaker_00
What the hell is he doing? This team, it's so frustrating because I really think Drake's good and they'll start every drive with run into the middle for one or there'll be a false start. Now it's first and 15 or it's a run play where the guy gets

01:01:25 Speaker_00
tackled four yards. Ben, like I've never seen a team have more second and 14 second and nine second and 15 second and 12. And just over and over again, they're behind the eight ball.

01:01:35 Speaker_00
And then when they actually make a play, if they're driving, Drake throws a really nice play. Reminder breaks the tackle. They get 20. Nope. That's coming back. Holding penalty. Just this team that he's saddled on.

01:01:48 Speaker_00
with the worst coaches and the worst offensive line and wide receivers that can barely catch the ball.

01:01:54 Speaker_00
And like part of me is wondering, like, are we even, I've now reverted back to, should we just sit him for the rest of the season so he doesn't get hurt? Cause it's this bad.

01:02:02 Speaker_00
But then you watch him and I'll have these series like he did with the Rams last week where it's like, he might win this game by himself. So I don't know what to think.

01:02:11 Speaker_03
Well, you should think that you're gonna bet them over four and a half wins, because you know they're gonna surprise you a couple more times. They'll reel you in, and you'll lose like nine draft picks.

01:02:21 Speaker_00
This game today, on both sides. It just shouldn't be, like last week, they're just blitzing Stafford over and over again. It's like rule number one, don't blitz Stafford. They're just doing it the whole game.

01:02:33 Speaker_00
Today, they just seem completely blindsided by the disc jockey. Disc jockey was like, he was really spinning the tunes today. He was like, all right, yeah.

01:02:44 Speaker_03
Miami Sound Machine, you got it going. Yeah, I don't know, like, look, there are some coaches who, like, just pull some bullshit and then they get away with it, like Sirianni. Yeah. I don't know, like, Barkley's so good.

01:02:58 Speaker_03
they're gonna win regardless of his nonsense. Like that crazy, not to take it back to that game, but when he was like- They had to do the first half. Yeah, no, when that whole thing with third and 13 or fourth and three. Right.

01:03:10 Speaker_00
And then they bring the defense.

01:03:11 Speaker_03
Send them back to third and 13. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. But it worked. No, no. You already said no. You can't come to Thanksgiving. Our table's full. You already RSVP'd. Right. Just what are you doing? But yeah, but he's gonna survive that.

01:03:22 Speaker_03
This guy, Jared Bale, can't. The talent's just not there.

01:03:26 Speaker_00
See, I don't think I just don't think Kraft's gonna pay for another coach. I think we're stuck with this guy next year. The thing I hate the most is he was such a tough player. He was a middle linebacker, he was just a badass.

01:03:39 Speaker_00
And then as a coach, he just, I tweeted today, I was joking that his book would be called Scared Football. He's just scared the whole game. It's like, oh, it's fourth and one, we better punt.

01:03:49 Speaker_00
And even if they're gonna go for it on a play, it's the most predictable play ever. When they run some sort of trick play, it's the worst trick play you've ever seen. It looks like they don't practice.

01:04:00 Speaker_00
Yeah, I think it's going to be, I said this a few weeks ago and I'm going to predict it again. I think it's going to be a really hard week for him in Boston because they, they were so poorly prepared and coached in the game today.

01:04:11 Speaker_00
I don't, I don't know how that's not the preeminent talking point of the week.

01:04:15 Speaker_03
these guys just because they're good at something doesn't mean, right? Like look at Jason Garrett, horrible, horrible coach. And then he goes on and is even a worse pre-game commentator. So how do you even, how could you even tell what's gonna be?

01:04:29 Speaker_00
Well, the problem is if they're not gonna fire him this year and then he's, it's not gonna really get better next year. Maybe they can change up and support him. Like let's say they get Dayball. Let's say they signed T Higgins.

01:04:40 Speaker_00
They just do those two things. They balls, the OC T Higgins is the wide receiver one. They get a left tackle in the draft. Like they're just noticeably better in a couple of ways. It's still not going to stop how unprepared the team looks. That's okay.

01:04:55 Speaker_00
And he can, he, you can't blame the players on that when you could just have guys jumping off sides left and right. They had one play. I think it was Hooper or Henry. One of the tight ends. They two penalties in the same place.

01:05:07 Speaker_00
The dolphins like, Oh, we get to choose. But one of them was the tight end was he was just a foot. Like his whole foot was over the line of scrimmage. He was just, he was basically like where the dolphins were. How are you lined up this way?

01:05:21 Speaker_00
You guys are professional football players. Miami didn't have a penalty for two hours.

01:05:26 Speaker_03
I think you're really wrong. Well, I don't know if you're wrong because there's no way to, there's no precedent to tell if Kraft will fire a coach because you had an unfireable coach for so long. Right.

01:05:35 Speaker_03
But I don't think he's going to be like Jerry Jones where he's just going to take shots every week and everyone's going to be like, what is wrong with this guy? And he's just going to sit there and take it. He's used to winning. So he'll make a change.

01:05:45 Speaker_00
Vrabel was a really good coach who had real ties to the Pats, and everybody always thought he would follow Belichick, and he's sitting there right now.

01:05:53 Speaker_00
And I think the fear is, you don't get Vrabel, you do another year with Mayo, it's just as bad next year, and now Vrabel will get one of his other jobs. There's gonna be eight jobs open, he'll get one of them.

01:06:05 Speaker_00
And then you've missed out on this Vrabel chance. The only other thing I had before we get to guess the lines is Bucs Giants, When you mentioned Tampa trying to steal the NFC South, here's the thing against it.

01:06:18 Speaker_00
Atlanta beat Tampa twice already and they have a one game lead. So they're basically two ahead of Tampa. Think about it.

01:06:26 Speaker_03
So. But look at that. Can't they go five and one?

01:06:30 Speaker_00
Look at that. You wanna do the schedule? Do it, just do it. Tampa's at Carolina, home Vegas, at the Chargers, at Dallas, home Carolina, home New Orleans. Yeah. That could be, they could get to 10 wins.

01:06:41 Speaker_03
Four and two, I know everybody slips up, but with this offense getting healthy, I think that's four and two or five and one.

01:06:48 Speaker_00
Do I have to worry about my NFC South bet? The division has 18 wins with six weeks left.

01:06:55 Speaker_03
But did you figure out how many automatic wins there are? Like how many division games are there?

01:06:59 Speaker_00
Well, there's a couple where they play each other, but we have that too, because one of the ones we did was the NFC East against the NFC South. The NFC East has a three game lead over them, but the Giants probably aren't winning again.

01:07:12 Speaker_00
and they play a couple of NFC South teams.

01:07:15 Speaker_03
Three weeks ago it was looking great. It did look like the Saints or the Panthers would win another game and the two receivers went down for Tampa. Now you're gonna have to do a little work I think.

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01:09:13 Speaker_00
I got sad today because once it's Thanksgiving, it's like almost the end of the regular season and the playoffs. What are we, 60% done with the season now?

01:09:24 Speaker_03
So this is 12 out of 18? 12 out of 20.

01:09:29 Speaker_00
Oh, I guess 12 out of 21. Yeah, we're like 58% done with the season.

01:09:33 Speaker_03
Well, yeah, I know it gets both ways, right?

01:09:36 Speaker_03
I like, sort of went, well, first of all, Thanksgiving's my favorite holiday, but then, because it's just football, football, football, and food, but I also can, you and I will be able to memorize most of the team's remainder of their schedule, right?

01:09:50 Speaker_03
And then, but that's also very sad because that only means there's a few left.

01:09:53 Speaker_00
Yeah. I think saying Thanksgiving's your favorite holiday is not a controversial opinion. Is Thanksgiving your favorite day, I think is a better conversation. So your single favorite day.

01:10:09 Speaker_03
Yeah, I can't think of what will, yeah, nothing compares. Except when the Cowboys allows it.

01:10:15 Speaker_00
I think it's my favorite day too.

01:10:16 Speaker_03
Yeah. It's great. You don't have to worry about your team losing though, right? You just got bets and food.

01:10:21 Speaker_00
That's fun. Well you have, Cowboys Giants is our second game. It's only the fourth time since the merger that these two teams have played on Thanksgiving where they both have losing records.

01:10:34 Speaker_03
I believe it.

01:10:36 Speaker_00
So choke on your turkey during that stat.

01:10:38 Speaker_03
Oh, I'm set my alarm for a nap for that game, that's for sure.

01:10:44 Speaker_00
What's our Guest Alliance record? Seven and four? Seven, four, and one?

01:10:49 Speaker_03
I think you're better than that. Yeah, seven, four, and one. You beat me last. Go over how I can make the playoffs at four, seven, and one. I wanna hear it.

01:11:01 Speaker_00
Sign Daniel Jones to help you with your picks. Uh, Thanksgiving lions Jones is my son. Go ahead. Lions bears in Detroit. And I think, here's my thinking on this. I think they had to jack this up so that you couldn't tease the Lions with anyone else.

01:11:23 Speaker_00
So even though this is probably should be Lions 7 1⁄2, I think because it's Thanksgiving and everybody loves turkey and throwing somebody no tease on Thanksgiving, I think it has to be Lions by nine.

01:11:34 Speaker_03
Okay, good. I get this. I said 10. They're not screwing around with the Lions. It's 10 1⁄2. That's too high. Well, hear me out.

01:11:43 Speaker_03
Not that I have to convince you the Lions are gonna win this game, but I feel like this is the season where they get the monkey off their back in many ways.

01:11:50 Speaker_03
Like Dan Campbell beat the crap out of the Cowboys for all that nonsense that went down last year in the regular season, right? The 49ers are gone, so they don't even have to worry about them and what happened in the NFC Championship.

01:12:01 Speaker_03
They do have that whole, oh my God, we were embarrassed on Thanksgiving last year by the Packers. I think they're gonna be up for this. I don't think that happens again.

01:12:12 Speaker_00
I saw a great Dan Campbell post-game speech. As I've been pushing, I don't know why this isn't just a Twitter feed of all the post-game speeches and all the lacquer-ups. That's all it is. It's just Game Boss speeches.

01:12:25 Speaker_00
He gave Game Boss to like four people and then was talking about how they were road warriors. Did you see this? He was like, when I got here, We had 0-11-1 in all of our road games, and since then we're 16-5.

01:12:40 Speaker_00
And all you guys in this locker room had something to do with that. He's great. He gives a great postgame. Probably the number one postgame speaker right now.

01:12:49 Speaker_03
Wouldn't you rather see the feed of the losing coaches give their speeches? Like Mayo? Yeah, how great would that be?

01:12:56 Speaker_00
They were like, hey, you know, six pre-snap penalties in the first half. We got to work on that, guys. That's on me.

01:13:02 Speaker_03
Oh, that's on you. That's on you, guys.

01:13:04 Speaker_00
No, nothing's on me.

01:13:04 Speaker_01
It's definitely on you. Yeah.

01:13:06 Speaker_00
So guys, when we're snapping the ball, it's like either it's on one or it's on two or it's on three. And you just kind of remember when you line up. Right. It's going to be two this time. Then you move when it's two.

01:13:19 Speaker_03
It's just all numbers. We'll take off till Wednesday. We'll figure it out.

01:13:25 Speaker_00
Unbelievable. We're going to have him for another year. Cowboys Giants in Dallas. I can't believe I'm doing this, but I think it's Cowboys by seven.

01:13:39 Speaker_03
Oh, wow. I said three and a half, it's four and a half. Yeah. The biggest, Vandal Vegas doesn't like Dallas this year.

01:13:52 Speaker_00
They just put that in the Vegas zone, huh? Well, I don't know if you read anything about the Giants game today, but apparently the Giants were disconsolate after the game.

01:14:02 Speaker_00
They were all saying after they waved Daniel Jones, the guy's our best quarterback, why are we waving him? And then they're not even playing the second best quarterback, they're playing the third best quarterback.

01:14:12 Speaker_00
This is why you're not supposed to tank in the NFL, because this is violent sport that guys have to commit to at a certain physicality level. and when you have your franchise base like, yeah, we're done, how do you expect the team to respond to that?

01:14:26 Speaker_00
The coach is on his way out, the GM's on his way out, the quarterback's not gonna be there. I don't understand. Why would the Giants beat Dallas and Dallas?

01:14:36 Speaker_03
I think we should just go with division game. Underdog is always a spot to win here. I really have no idea. I don't know. Tommy DeVito, I just, yeah, but it was like neighbors going off on Dable.

01:14:49 Speaker_03
It was like, ask Dable why I didn't get a reception until like, or a target until the third quarter or whatever it was. But yeah, they're a mess, but you know, Daniel Jones is probably like, I see this guy get sacked, I'm glad it's not me.

01:15:01 Speaker_00
Just get me on a playoff team as a backup. There's one silver lining to this game, which is one of the worst quarterback matchups we've ever had on Thanksgiving. Although Cooper Rush wasn't bad today. Tom Brady announced it in this game.

01:15:18 Speaker_01
Oh, wow. That's right.

01:15:20 Speaker_00
Could this be the Tom Brady heel turn game?

01:15:23 Speaker_00
Could this be his Walter White breaking bad, getting pushed over the edge, shaving his head performance, where the quarterback play is so bad and he's so mad that he's working on Thanksgiving, he finally becomes Tom Brady, TV analyst, and he's just ripping guys.

01:15:39 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:15:40 Speaker_00
And actually telling us what they're doing wrong. Could it happen?

01:15:43 Speaker_03
starts beating the shit out of an intern with a turkey leg that's propped up on the set. I like it.

01:15:48 Speaker_00
I'll show you jujitsu.

01:15:49 Speaker_03
Do it, Tom. What does he have to lose? Yeah.

01:15:56 Speaker_00
He owns the team.

01:15:57 Speaker_03
It's all right.

01:15:58 Speaker_00
Shave your head. Packers-Dolphins is our third game. It's a great game. It's in Green Bay. And it's going to be freezing cold.

01:16:06 Speaker_00
And you're going to see over the next four days a lot of stats about how bad the Dolphins are when it's super cold, how bad Tua is when it's super cold. And I can't wait to bet on the Packers in this game, Sal. Just spoiler alert.

01:16:20 Speaker_00
I'm going to say Packers by four.

01:16:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's what I said. It is three and a half. We split that. All right, so what's the tease? You know you're doing a Moneyline parlay. Is it just Lions, Packers, and you'll pay a little juice?

01:16:34 Speaker_00
Should we do this for Fando? I'll tweet this out. Go ahead, Fando. So we could do... You can make it simple. I mean, forget that middle game.

01:16:45 Speaker_03
Packers, Moneyline with... It's minus 120. With Detroit, Moneyline?

01:16:50 Speaker_02
That's minus 120.

01:16:51 Speaker_03
That's minus 120. Good thing I didn't make it that easy.

01:16:54 Speaker_00
That seems so easy. That's all we have to do, Packers.

01:17:00 Speaker_03
You'll win that first one by 9.50 AM, and then you take a nap, and then you take some gummies, and you take a nap, Bill, and you miss that giant cowboy game, and you come back and watch Lambeau. It's not gonna win.

01:17:17 Speaker_00
Oh, I'm all in on that tease. I feel like we have to grab that right now. I know I always say that, but that minus 120 is not gonna be there much longer. Yeah, let's not screw it over on There's Anything, that's it.

01:17:30 Speaker_00
And then Thanksgiving, so you get Packers, Dolphins, and then when it hits midnight on the East Coast, you get to watch my Yacht Rock documentary. Oh yeah. Yeah. That'd be fun. It's great. You'll love it. Of course I'm gonna love it.

01:17:43 Speaker_02
There's no way you won't love it.

01:17:44 Speaker_03
Oh, come on, kidding me?

01:17:47 Speaker_00
Sunday marquee.

01:17:48 Speaker_03
Well, hold on. Are you going to do Friday? Which one's the Friday game? Raiders Chiefs. Raiders Chiefs.

01:17:59 Speaker_00
And we can't start over because we're live. No, I'm not going to change my guess. I forgot about the Black Friday game. And it's funny because they sent me a t-shirt of the studio crew with my face in the middle of it. I should have worn it. Really?

01:18:15 Speaker_00
It looks like I'm in the crew. It looks like I'm ready to have an argument with Sherman. All right, so Kansas City home for the Raiders.

01:18:25 Speaker_05
Mm-hmm.

01:18:29 Speaker_03
It's probably going to be Ritter, right? Because, well, you read that blurb to us. It seemed like it was going to be Ritter. It might be Minshew. It's inspiring.

01:18:41 Speaker_00
I have the Chiefs by 11 and a half.

01:18:44 Speaker_03
Oh, you get it. I had 11. It's 13 and a half. Oh, boy. Now, listen, if you want to wait just a few hours more and do Lions, Packers, Chiefs, that gets you in the plus.

01:18:57 Speaker_00
103. Yeah, but that's another Milton Berle situation for the Chiefs. It's Black Friday, I don't trust them.

01:19:02 Speaker_03
Oh, they can't. They're not, they lost to them on Christmas. They can't keep losing to the Raiders.

01:19:06 Speaker_00
But even if you do a 10 point, oh, so you can do a 13 point piece.

01:19:07 Speaker_03
No, just Moneyline. Just do the Moneyline. Just Lions Moneyline, Packers Moneyline, Chiefs Moneyline.

01:19:14 Speaker_00
What does that get us to? Plus 103.

01:19:15 Speaker_03
Plus 103.

01:19:18 Speaker_00
That's pretty good. Aren't the Chiefs going to fuck us one of these next four weeks like they did that time with the Raiders a year ago? Yeah, but it's the Raiders. He fumbles, he throws a pick six, he gets hurt, he comes back in.

01:19:35 Speaker_00
They haven't had that game yet.

01:19:36 Speaker_03
They hate this team though, right? With the cigars and everything else.

01:19:39 Speaker_00
Yeah, they do. The Raiders talk shit. Sunday's marquee game is the Ravens and the Eagles in Baltimore. It's a wonderful sporting event. The Ravens, for all we know, could be seven and five heading into this game. And sweating out a playoff spot.

01:19:54 Speaker_00
I personally think they're gonna win tomorrow. I don't know, where do you stand on that, Chargers?

01:19:57 Speaker_03
I do too. Yeah, I have them, I have money lined them. So that's probably gonna be bad for them. Well, big brother wins, right? Big brother always wins.

01:20:10 Speaker_00
Ravens, I have a minus three against the Eagles. It is, you got it exactly, I said two and a half.

01:20:18 Speaker_03
Now we're tied.

01:20:20 Speaker_00
Okay, it's a good game.

01:20:22 Speaker_03
That's it, Barkley Henry, Offensive Player of the Year.

01:20:24 Speaker_00
This is it, Trades of the Year. Watchables, three of them. Bengals, Steelers in Cincinnati. Bengals now in we have to win every game territory. Steelers, So I was at the, we did a premiere for the Yacht Rock doc on Thursday night.

01:20:44 Speaker_00
So I had the Steelers game on my phone. Beautiful, wasn't it? And I couldn't even, I couldn't watch it during the thing, and I also really wanted to watch the thing. But I glanced at it a couple times, and it was 18.6. So pretty.

01:20:56 Speaker_00
And I didn't look for 10, 12 minutes, looked back down, it was 19.18 Steelers. I was like, oh. look back again, it was 24, 19 final. And I was like, I can't wait to find out what happened in this game. Uh, that game was just fully bonkers.

01:21:12 Speaker_03
But, um, it's a fun Jamis game. I feel like Jamis might be the quarterback who doesn't have a chance that I root for the most. It's just so, I mean, it was like 0 for 9 and 3rd down and 4 for 4 and 4th downs.

01:21:25 Speaker_03
It's just, uh, it was perfect for him and it looked great. And NFL films did the thing and him running in slow motion. I'm like, oh, this is why I love football. I don't even care.

01:21:33 Speaker_00
I can't believe of all the shitty Thursday night games we have to watch. That game, you know how much I love, I know everyone loves snow, but I really love snow. I'm a 10 out of 10 for loving snow.

01:21:44 Speaker_00
And I love seeing it on the TV, the flakes sticking to Tomlin's beard. Of all the games, why did it have to be the game when I was at a documentary premiere?

01:21:53 Speaker_03
I'm a 10 out of 10 for loving snow. Sounds like something you'd hear on Yacht Rock. So that's perfect. I think that was the song. I think Stephen Bishop wrote that one. Yeah, was that Bishop?

01:22:03 Speaker_00
Yeah. Is this Steely Dan? I don't know. I'm a 10 out of 10 for love and snow. Stupid. I have Bengals by one and a half against Steelers. I get this. I said two, it is two and a half.

01:22:21 Speaker_00
So when was the last time a four and seven team was favored by two and a half against an eight and three team that did not have any injuries?

01:22:30 Speaker_03
Probably a long time ago. Yeah, they Are they gonna out slug the Bengals? Oh, that's it because you know Burroughs Burroughs dialed in right so even the Steelers defense as much trouble as I give them Should have should score like 26 27 points.

01:22:48 Speaker_03
I think it's enough and everything's a must win now for Cincy That's why I think the Steelers are good

01:22:54 Speaker_00
And I think they played a Thursday night game, right? Four days after this emotional win over Baltimore. It snowed like a motherfucker. It was a stupid game that had a lot of dumb momentum twists. And I think you throw it out.

01:23:08 Speaker_00
He also got outcoached a little bit.

01:23:10 Speaker_03
And he's allowed to, right? You can get outcoached once a year. And now he's outcoached.

01:23:15 Speaker_00
Yeah.

01:23:15 Speaker_03
It's always a tough division battle.

01:23:19 Speaker_00
Falcons chargers. It's in Atlanta. Probably not betting on this game. I'd probably be the Chargers and the Tees, but I'm gonna say Falcons by one and a half.

01:23:34 Speaker_03
Oh, that's why you did it. Well, you're right and you're wrong. I said Chargers by one and a half and it is Chargers by one and a half, but the one and a halfs always flip. They always flip by Thursday.

01:23:43 Speaker_00
It's Chargers by one and a half.

01:23:45 Speaker_03
Chargers a favorite, but if we talk Thursday, it'll be Falcons. And then it might flip again. I mean, that's what happened with Arizona and Seattle. It's happened with so many of these. Jets, Texans, same thing.

01:23:56 Speaker_03
So you think there's a one and a half conspiracy? There is. It's the tic-tac terrorists out there moving these lines.

01:24:04 Speaker_00
It's like how it's the black eye conspiracy with celebrities. And celebrities only have black eyes on their left eye, some sort of Illuminati thing. So Leno fell down the hill and it's like, left eye was black, shit's going on.

01:24:20 Speaker_00
I don't know how they come up with this stuff. That's true, it's all true. Watch this, I'm gonna have a black eye on my left eye in two days. It's like, we'll show you. There was a Reddit person who broke down that Leno thing really well.

01:24:35 Speaker_00
But he ended up, he almost definitely is telling the truth, right? Yeah, it seems like he's telling the truth. Yeah, that sucks. He was playing at some weird club in Germantown, Pennsylvania.

01:24:45 Speaker_00
There was the hotel, everyone was like, why is he staying at that hotel? He's a billionaire. But it's like, it was the nearest hotel to where that gig was.

01:24:53 Speaker_02
He's also very cheap.

01:24:54 Speaker_00
And he's also super cheap. He spends all his money on cars. He was trying to walk to some restaurant that he tried to cut, walk down a hill to cut the distance so he didn't have to go around. And he's 74.

01:25:05 Speaker_00
And it's the kind of thing like our dads would have done. You'd have been like, what? I'd be like, Sal, what happened to your dad? It's like, ah, he fell. Like, it's just, it's just kind of what happens when you're mid-70s.

01:25:15 Speaker_00
So I think it adds up, but I still like the conspiracy stuff. I enjoyed all of it.

01:25:19 Speaker_03
Either way, the irony is great that he didn't have a car. Guy's got like 75 funny cars and hangers all over California.

01:25:29 Speaker_00
Well, the more confusing thing to me is he made, I mean, he was making 30 million a year in The Tonight Show for 20 years.

01:25:37 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:25:37 Speaker_00
And when he was doing stand-up gigs and making crazy money on those, why does he have to go to like the middle of somewhere in Pennsylvania to do stand-up?

01:25:46 Speaker_03
Yeah. And he's indignant when they ask him about it. Like, well, why don't you just cancel the show? Like, the show must go on. It's like, all right, you're 103. You could sit one out.

01:25:56 Speaker_00
I'm at the Red Roof Inn on Big Bear Mountain on November 29th. It's a place 74. Why didn't you retire? Go sit on a beach. Vikings are home for the Cardinals. That's a good one. I'll never trust Kyler Murray again until about three weeks from now.

01:26:18 Speaker_00
I have Vikings minus three against Cardinals. I had you out here. I had three and a half, and that's what it is.

01:26:26 Speaker_02
That's too high. That'll be three. You're going to throw Kyla in a teaser?

01:26:35 Speaker_00
No, I'm not going near this game. Fairly watchables. Colts at the Pats. I just think the Richardson May makes this a fairly watchable, not a poopfecta. Sure. Colts are going to be favored. I think it's Colts by one and a half.

01:26:52 Speaker_01
I had two. I think it's two and a half now. That's fair. It's gonna be a loss.

01:27:04 Speaker_00
I don't think the Pats are getting five wins. I think I'm gonna win that bet. Well, when did you make that bet? Before the year, that was like my lock of the year, was I had the pats under four and a half wins. You could do it again.

01:27:16 Speaker_00
But I didn't know Drake May was gonna be, I wouldn't have made that bet if I knew Drake was gonna be good. Like in year one.

01:27:23 Speaker_03
You could sell it if you want, because it's still four and a half. Is that what it is on Fando?

01:27:28 Speaker_00
It's still four and a half, yeah. What's Carolina, just out of curiosity? That's four and a half too.

01:27:35 Speaker_03
Yeah, some of these, there's like Cleveland I think is also four and a half. Your team's six and a half. I know, you have them winning 10.

01:27:44 Speaker_01
Sure. I said nine. Denver is nine and a half now. Jesus. What's Miami? Wow, Miami's only seven and a half. They're five and six.

01:28:00 Speaker_02
The over is minus 200 though, right? Yeah. It's a big, big juice.

01:28:05 Speaker_00
Miami to make the playoffs is plus 240.

01:28:06 Speaker_02
Yeah, I don't like it. You might as well just bet them against Green Bay and then just keep rolling it in some of these important games.

01:28:17 Speaker_00
Washington to make the playoffs is, oh, that's Tampa. Tampa's plus 114, Washington's minus 188, okay. Seahawks are at the Jets. Seahawks are going to be favored in this game.

01:28:32 Speaker_00
I don't know if there's a lot of weeks left to win real money against the Jets before the line shift. This feels like the last week. The Seahawks defense has looked legitimately good the last two weeks. Seahawks by one and a half is gonna be my pick.

01:28:47 Speaker_03
You got it, that was smart. I said two and this is another one that's gonna flip unless there's a quarterback change. Although I don't even know what would have to move. Does the line move if Rodgers is out? Jets favorite by three?

01:29:05 Speaker_00
With Tyrod Taylor, I don't think the line moves. Rodgers has been awful.

01:29:09 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:29:11 Speaker_00
So Tyrod Taylor, does the Jets Seahawks line move with Tyrod Taylor? Like San Francisco moved three nap points today when Purdy went out. I think it stays the same. What would be crazy is if it moved the other way and the Jets were favored with Tyrod.

01:29:26 Speaker_03
What's he gonna do, not throw downfield? It's fine. It's exactly what, can he bring his friends in, Tyrod Taylor? Like, hey, we have a whole new receiving corps. These are my buddies, I grew up with them.

01:29:38 Speaker_00
Rogers dresses up like the Chargers team doctor and tries to stab Tyrod with a needle.

01:29:43 Speaker_02
Yeah, well, he's a medical expert, yeah.

01:29:46 Speaker_00
Washington is home for the Titans. So this was, I guess the Lions before the day and I had watched them by seven. I'm gonna knock that down to six. Watched them by six.

01:29:57 Speaker_03
Yeah, you get this. I said seven and a half only because I don't know why, but it's five and a half.

01:30:06 Speaker_00
Well, it looked like Edgar got knocked out at the end of the game. So he won't play. And he's had a few concussions before.

01:30:13 Speaker_00
So just Brian Robinson, who was hurt during the game today, and they have that McNichols guy, but I think they're gonna have trouble running the ball. And then Daniel still doesn't look healthy.

01:30:21 Speaker_00
We're gonna find out after the year that he has like three cracked ribs, right?

01:30:24 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm just looking at it as a must win in Tennessee. It's also a must loss for them after winning this. I mean, how are they gonna pull this off?

01:30:34 Speaker_00
Rams at the Saints, and after what we saw from the Rams today, I think they're gonna be favored, but I don't think it's gonna be by much. I'm gonna say Rams by one and a half at the Saints. Rams by, I said two, and it's two and a half.

01:30:50 Speaker_00
Lot of momentum for the Clogger. I don't know if you've been following this. Yeah, why not? People like the Clogger. The team's responded.

01:30:59 Speaker_03
He's clogging up that team with wins. Oh my God. What is his bi-week like, the clogger, when he doesn't have to watch what he eats?

01:31:07 Speaker_00
A lot of salad. A lot of salad and hot water. Poopfecta, speaking of the clogger, we got two. We got Texans at Jacksonville. And I can't believe Doug Peterson's still the coach. It seemed impossible after the 52 to six game.

01:31:25 Speaker_03
What was that, a week ago? He survived the bye. I didn't even realize that, yeah. They must have been busy. The ownership must have been vacationing or something. I have Texans by 3 1⁄2 at Jacksonville. I had 4 1⁄2, it's 5 1⁄2. I like Jacksonville. You do?

01:31:44 Speaker_03
Yeah. Oh, because of your guy?

01:31:46 Speaker_00
No, I don't think Houston's very good. And I have future bets on them. I was all in on them. I've been waiting for it to turn around, but I don't think they can block. From what I'm watching week to week, it doesn't seem like they can block.

01:32:00 Speaker_00
And their defense seems like when you really need to drive the ball down the field on them, you can.

01:32:06 Speaker_03
It's probably a stay away. I don't, what I don't want for those last, you know, seven weeks of the season, whatever is for the South divisions to rip my guts out. Right.

01:32:15 Speaker_03
So if we're on the wrong side of too many of these, it's a great way to think about it.

01:32:19 Speaker_00
Yeah. Great way to think about it. And here's another one. Bucks at Panthers. So I have bucks by four and a half in Carolina and I like Carolina.

01:32:30 Speaker_02
Oh, I had six at six and a half.

01:32:33 Speaker_00
Oh, I'm going to win this week.

01:32:35 Speaker_02
No, come on.

01:32:36 Speaker_03
It's like 10 to five or something.

01:32:39 Speaker_02
Oh, I guess you are going to win.

01:32:42 Speaker_00
Wait, who did you say? You like Carolina? No. I'm going to give you Carolina's last couple of weeks. Week nine, they beat the Saints by one. Week 10, they beat the Giants by three. Week 12, tied with KC with a minute left.

01:33:00 Speaker_00
And they had a bye week in there too. They haven't really had a bad game since week seven. They got killed by Washington. But even the Denver game, the 14 to 28 loss, it wasn't like, they didn't get demolished.

01:33:11 Speaker_00
So at least they're getting better, unlike my team.

01:33:14 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's respectable. I mean, I have the bucks. You should also have the bucks to win a division. We had an agreement, but, so I have to. I have to lean heavy into this.

01:33:23 Speaker_00
But instead of doing that, I could just bet against Atlanta this week, right? Right. Because Tampa, for them, they wouldn't envision Atlanta.

01:33:31 Speaker_00
Sunday night, Bill's 49ers, a game that I'm sure they were thinking was going to be one of the best games of the year three months ago. Oh, I just, I'm thinking about how great this game seemed to knock August.

01:33:44 Speaker_00
Now I just want to do a shot of whiskey or something.

01:33:49 Speaker_03
I don't have a goddamn good thing to say about Brandon Allen. Can we just fast forward to next week?

01:33:55 Speaker_00
I just, I'll get excited about George kiddo if you want me to Al, but I just, um, I think this goes over seven. I think this is bills by seven and a half. I said seven and it's six and a half. Ah, just like a point off with all of this.

01:34:14 Speaker_03
Well, is this the Kyle Shanahan? We're going to F everybody up. Everybody trying to get their money back from the Thursday night and Thanksgiving weekend. Is this the one? So Purdy's probably playing.

01:34:30 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's true. That's about all we got. If you're making the case for the Niners, it's backs to the wall. If they lose this game, their season's over. They have a losing record in their division. You can't lose this game and have a realistic chance.

01:34:43 Speaker_00
I guess maybe you could sneak into the playoffs, as we made the case with your team, but.

01:34:47 Speaker_03
I think Purdy, is he definitely playing? Like, they thought he was gonna play this week, too. So, to say that they think he's gonna be ready, I don't know. I guess this is their season, though. He's gotta do it.

01:34:58 Speaker_00
Monday night. Broncos home for the Browns. This is really the salvo. Your guy Bo Nix against your guy Jameis. So much fun. It's really everything you want.

01:35:10 Speaker_03
Do you want to guess, because there's odds up for offensive rookie of the year. I think Bo Nix has to be favored. Then you should bet him.

01:35:20 Speaker_02
He's plus 125. Daniel's minus 150.

01:35:27 Speaker_01
I think that's a pretty good bet.

01:35:29 Speaker_02
The number one pick is 50 to one, Caleb Williams. Jesus. I didn't think he was bad today. No, he wasn't. He wasn't. He missed some plays. Yeah.

01:35:41 Speaker_00
So I got Broncos minus three and a half against Cleveland.

01:35:44 Speaker_02
You're going to get that. I said three, it's four and a half, but. Too little, too late for you Simmons.

01:35:51 Speaker_00
All right. Seven, five and one. You beat me on your favorite week of the year. I love it. I love it. Cowboys are alive.

01:36:00 Speaker_03
That's got to stop. I mean, I don't know why that still gets me annoyed, but.

01:36:03 Speaker_00
Listen, are the Cowboys alive or are they not? They're alive. No, we crossed them off. We have say. But they're alive. What do you got for Parent Corner?

01:36:14 Speaker_03
Uh, what do I have? A couple of things. Well, first of all, we, um, you know, again, favorite weekend of the year, favorite day, got your, your, uh, there's always home already, right? Yeah. So now you got, you get to see her for what? A week or more?

01:36:31 Speaker_03
Yeah. It's like eight days. She's been home since August 8th.

01:36:34 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:36:35 Speaker_03
Right. Same here. My guy comes home, um, Wednesday morning and he's leaving Friday. He's like, I'm going back cause Oregon's playing Washington and I'm going to that game. And like, my wife was like, Oh, this is terrible.

01:36:49 Speaker_00
It's like, how many times did she cry?

01:36:51 Speaker_03
Well, it hasn't happened yet, but I think it's about that. I think it's gonna be bad. But I was like, this is cats in the cradle, right? I would do the same thing, and my parents would get mad. And what are you gonna do?

01:37:03 Speaker_00
But she didn't cry when Archie said he was only coming home for two days? That didn't elicit tears?

01:37:08 Speaker_03
I think she had regrouped and composed herself, because I found out hours later. But I think the tears will flow. naturally when it actually happens going off. But, um, yeah, so that's that.

01:37:22 Speaker_03
The other thing is I picked my son Jack up from wrestling practice. Yeah. And, uh, he's like extra dirty. And I was like, what the hell? Why do you smell what's going on here? What, what'd you do? It was like, we had a clean garbage.

01:37:35 Speaker_03
So what do you mean you had to clean garbage?

01:37:36 Speaker_03
He's like, well, coach got mad because somebody went in the wrestling room and tried to lose extra weight and like was jumping rope and they were unsupervised and the principal found out and nobody would fess up.

01:37:50 Speaker_03
This is like the fourth nobody will fess up thing that they had to like do, you know. Yeah. They had to do community service as a result. And so we all had to clean garbage for like over an hour, like an hour and a half after we ran. And I was like,

01:38:03 Speaker_03
All right, but can't the coach, I've had bosses that do this, bosses and teachers and coaches that punish the whole group, but if you looked at it logically, my kid is not going after hours to jump rope. He's just not, right? We could excuse him.

01:38:25 Speaker_03
What are we doing here? If you were at work and a beet salad was missing from the community refrigerator, and you're like, nope, we're unplugging the refrigerator for everyone, you could assume it's not me that took the beet salad.

01:38:39 Speaker_03
I haven't seen a vegetable in like seven years. So I don't know where you stand on that kind of messaging. Seems like it's excessive.

01:38:48 Speaker_00
Do you think Gerard Mayo should try some of this motivational tactics with the Patriots? Maybe. Six pre-snap penalties in the first half. You guys are all going to have to clean up the garbage outside of Gillette Stadium. Yeah.

01:39:03 Speaker_03
I'm unplugging all the electricity in the locker room.

01:39:06 Speaker_00
You're done. So everyone enjoys your parent corners every week. Rarely did I get multiple people in my life asking the same question about last week's parent corner from you. With the match? Yeah.

01:39:20 Speaker_00
If your kid throws up during the match, why isn't that an automatic forfeit?

01:39:26 Speaker_03
Supposed to be. because our coach, which coincides with my story this week, is a lunatic.

01:39:34 Speaker_00
So he was all over the ref. So he somehow talked the ref out of the forfeit?

01:39:38 Speaker_03
He had to be like, our kid's nervous, he's not sick. And then my kid's like, yeah, I'm nervous. And they're like, all right, we'll clean up the dominoes and then we'll let you finish. But yeah, that was it. But yeah, normally it is.

01:39:52 Speaker_00
It's amazing that just isn't a rule Southern California sports like vomit, wrestling, automatic match over. Right. Exactly. And then my wife wanted to ask that it's, it must've smelled like puke smells.

01:40:08 Speaker_03
It wasn't like a map, but it's like still gonna smell. Right. It was a little bit. It wasn't like stand by me, like with the pie contest. I wouldn't say that. But yeah, that was a lot. It was a little bit and they cleaned it up.

01:40:18 Speaker_03
And that, yeah, I mean, the kid was like, yeah, that's a good way to like get a kid to forfeit. Like I don't want to be vomited on.

01:40:24 Speaker_00
But yeah, that was it. But then I was thinking maybe that should be Jack's thing. He throws up during every match. Signature move. The other kid is so bummed out. He just wants to get pinned.

01:40:34 Speaker_03
You know, I once farted so bad that I was wrestling a really good kid. But I shouldn't have been pinned in the first period, but I was. And then afterwards, he's like, I'm sorry, man, I had to get rid of you. That was so bad. The farting?

01:40:51 Speaker_03
I thought it would work to my advantage, but no, he had to step up his arsenal.

01:40:59 Speaker_00
That was my parent corner. Um, so I picked up my daughter on Friday from the airport and I did the thing where you, you pull in illegally at the arrivals, park the car. There were no, no cops. I think they know cause it's Thanksgiving.

01:41:14 Speaker_00
And I got there, I was like four minutes before her and I was watching these other cars and it was a lot of kids like coming back from college already on that Friday. And it's like the most emotional hugs.

01:41:27 Speaker_00
You're like getting choked up in the car watching all these people who haven't seen their kids and they just these huge long hugs. And I'm like, I'm like, is this the most emotional place of?

01:41:38 Speaker_00
In America every year, the kids coming home for Thanksgiving on the airplane and seeing their families, then I was thinking, if I'm like United, this would be a great commercial over like Fly the Friendly Sky, whatever United's commercial is.

01:41:53 Speaker_00
It should just be like these home movie iPhone shots of all these people, like people were like hugging each other and crying, like they were so excited they see each other.

01:42:03 Speaker_00
So I'm getting emotional watching and then my daughter comes in with the bag and she's like, hey dad, Just kind of gives me, because I'd seen her a few weeks ago. So I was like ready to really have an emotional moment. It didn't happen, but.

01:42:14 Speaker_03
I thought you were going to say this should be a Twitter feed with only embraces at the airport. I need game ball locker room speeches and emotional airport hugs. I was like somebody come off and like someone coming off a Spirit Airlines flight.

01:42:31 Speaker_03
Like, why do you have a black guy? What happened? You and Jay Leno, what is this? What's going on?

01:42:37 Speaker_00
Is he looping on you after you? Yeah, so anyway, and I was in a good mood the whole day and then picked her up. We're talking in the car, we drive back, and we end up going for dinner that night, the four of us. It was like old times. Nice.

01:42:55 Speaker_00
Not even 24 hours, my wife and my daughter are yelling at each other. And by Sunday, my wife's like, she's just, the kitchen, like I just, here's what I didn't miss, is the way you treat the kitchen. And it's just like, we're just back.

01:43:09 Speaker_00
It's like, oh, emotions out the window. Now everybody's yelling at each other again. We're really back though.

01:43:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, there might be too much lead up time to Thanksgiving, right? I wonder what the perfect amount is.

01:43:22 Speaker_00
Two days. Two and a half, probably like a Tuesday. But it's nice to have her home. The dog, Murph just absolutely lost his mind. Because he hadn't seen her in three and a half months. What do you think dogs think when people disappear? They're not smart.

01:43:44 Speaker_00
I don't know if you've noticed, but not like smart animals. Or do they just have, it's almost like have dog Alzheimer's where they're just like, they have no long-term memory. And it's like, hey, it's that person. Right.

01:43:55 Speaker_03
Yeah, I don't know what they think. I don't know. You know what? I'm so locked into sports gambling and losing. I don't have time to think about what dogs are thinking about. What's your dog think of Washington somehow?

01:44:07 Speaker_00
Somehow losing.

01:44:08 Speaker_03
I have kids vomiting on mats and stuff like that. I'm the psychoanalyzing dog. It's great though. It's great to have everybody in one spot. I like that idea for United or whoever though. I can't believe they haven't done that.

01:44:24 Speaker_00
I was trying to think what's a more emotional other than like happy emotional, not like sad emotional, like a funeral. I guess like a wedding would be happy emotional. Yeah. Airport, my kid is coming home from college. There's not graduations maybe.

01:44:39 Speaker_00
There's not like a lot of just pure happy emotional moments.

01:44:42 Speaker_03
Wedding, it's the whole event. But you're right. But the airport, it's that exact moment of embracing, right?

01:44:48 Speaker_03
Because we think about, I don't know, living out here, we think about the airport as, oh, Andy Dick's going to say something terrible to TMZ, stepping off a JetBlue flight or something. But you're right.

01:45:00 Speaker_00
It's been in a positive way. Even the people whose parents didn't greet them, like hugging the Uber driver. Yeah, exactly, there's always a hug out there. Cooper Travis is like, ah! All right, that was Parent Corner. What do you have to plug?

01:45:16 Speaker_03
What do I have? Simmons through the ringer with the great Tate Frazier against all odds a couple times a week on the Ringer Podcast Network. We're gonna review Monday Night Football, go over the big college games and playoff implications.

01:45:28 Speaker_03
Cousin Sal's winning weekend with Michael Irvin and Ringer pregame show. Now listen, this has become very competitive. And you know I don't like that. But I gave out a bunch of winners. And it's not a four hour show.

01:45:39 Speaker_03
We only get to talk like seven times each. Wisest Wager was the Bears locked in at three and a half. My Dog was the Titans plus 310. Tommy DeVito to not throw an interception. Jacobs over 74 and a half rushing yards.

01:45:53 Speaker_03
And the Ice Cream Sundae, a segment you created, Lions by 11 to 20 points plus 290. What a week for me. That one hit. The Titans didn't hit though. The Titans plus 310, what's the matter with you?

01:46:06 Speaker_00
Yeah, they won. Yeah, so you hit all of them? We just did 40 minutes on it.

01:46:10 Speaker_03
You need a hug from your daughter. What's the matter with you? Yes, I hit all of them.

01:46:12 Speaker_00
We've been talking for an hour and a half. Yeah, for some reason I thought they covered within a minute. That's it.

01:46:18 Speaker_03
Watch the Ring of Pre Game show.

01:46:20 Speaker_00
How many sides of the ice cream sundae pick did we get? I was the only one.

01:46:27 Speaker_02
I don't want to crap on these guys, but I was the only one.

01:46:29 Speaker_00
What are you going to do? I have to plug Yacht Rock on HBO and Max on Friday. It's really good. Give us a little tease.

01:46:39 Speaker_03
What's good? What are people going to say?

01:46:42 Speaker_00
I'm really glad that Michael McDonald finally gets his just do, but I think it's put it this way. He has multiple moments where he just cooks in it, but it's really, I think it's not what you think it is to stock. That's what I will say.

01:46:59 Speaker_00
I don't want to spoil it, but it's way more about the music than, than the comedy of it and stuff like that. I think people are going to be suppressed. Okay.

01:47:09 Speaker_03
And it has nothing to do with Vince McMahon? It doesn't. Vince couldn't put Vince into this.

01:47:14 Speaker_00
All right. All right. Next time. That's it. Cuz, good job by you.

01:47:21 Speaker_03
Good job by you, buddy.

01:47:25 Speaker_00
All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cuz and Sal. Thanks to Nephew Kyle, Steve Cerruti, Gahal, Everybody behind the scenes who helped with such a spectacular production, wasn't that many people, but it was still fun.

01:47:41 Speaker_00
You can watch this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. Don't forget, new Rewatchables coming Monday night. Running Scared, don't forget about the Yacht Rock documentary coming Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, on Max and on HBO.

01:47:57 Speaker_00
And I will see you in this podcast on Tuesday.

01:48:04 Speaker_04
I don't have a few years with him.