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Episode: S22 E1: Morally and Ethically Repulsive
Author: Broken Cycle Media | Wondery
Duration: 00:57:57
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*Content Warning: mature themes, sexual assault, false reporting, disability abuse, suicide, death, sex trafficking, scams, fraud, emotional abuse, voice of perpetrator. Sources:Elwood woman faces multiple felonies in connection with ongoing rental scheme, by Logan Gay, WTHR.com staff, WTHR News: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/elwood-woman-arrested-for-ongoing-rental-scheme-megan-stoner-fishers-indiana/531-2d3b11fa-5c70-4f05-8ea4-0be0c37cf852 Fishers woman charged in rental fraud; 3 scammed in signing
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/elwood-woman-arrested-for-ongoing-rental-scheme-megan-stoner-fishers-indiana/531-2d3b11fa-5c70-4f05-8ea4-0be0c37cf852 Fishers woman charged in rental fraud; 3 scammed in signinglease for same Home by: Izzy Karpinski, Fox59: https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/fishers-woman-charged-in-rental-fraud-3-scammed-in-signing-lease-for-same-home/ Hamilton County Inmate Records - Stoner, Megan Elizabeth: https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/inmates2/Jail/Inmate/Detail/-1282383 Protect the community from ongoing criminal activity by revoking the bond of Megan Stoner, Change.Org Petition: https://www.change.org/p/protect-the-community-from-ongoing-criminal-activity-by-revoking-the-bond-of-megan-stoner Megan Stoner Chronicles, X @ChroniclesMegan: https://x.com/ChroniclesMegan Don't Waste This F*cking Podcast: The Story of Megan Stoner, by Amanda Peterson, Excelsior Studios: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dont-waste-this-f-cking-podcast-the-story-of-megan-stoner/id1757463535 “The degree to which a person can grow is directly proportional to the amount of truth they can accept about themselves without running away.” - Leland Val Van De WallResources:Free + Confidential Resources + Safety Tips: somethingwaswrong.com/resources Theme Song & Artwork: Thank you to NeonHoney and GIBBANEZ for covering our theme song, Glad Rags’s original song U Think U this season. NeonHoney’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/neonhoneymusic/ NeonHoney’s Website: https://neonhoneymusic.comGibbanez IG: https://www.instagram.com/@gibbanezmusic/ Gibbanez Linktree: https://linktr.ee/gibbanezmusicGlad Rags: https://www.gladragsmusic.com/ The S22 cover art is by the Amazing Sara StewartFollow Something Was Wrong:Website: somethingwaswrong.com IG: instagram.com/somethingwaswrongpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@somethingwaswrongpodcast Follow Tiffany Reese:Website: tiffanyreese.me IG: instagram.com/lookieboo See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Summary
In this episode, Megan Stoner, an inmate, engages in a candid dialogue with journalist Tiffany Reese regarding the allegations of fraud and misconduct against her. They discuss Megan's upcoming interview on Tiffany's podcast, which aims to present testimonies from both parties. The conversation reveals disturbing claims about fabricated sexual assault allegations and the ethical ramifications of her actions, with Tiffany emphasizing the need for honesty due to the serious implications of false reporting on genuine victims. The complexities of public perception and accountability are explored, highlighting the far-reaching impact of Megan's alleged behaviors on those involved.
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00:00:00 Speaker_01
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Something Was Wrong early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. This podcast is intended for mature audiences and discusses topics that may be upsetting.
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For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes. Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, or Wondery.
00:00:32 Speaker_01
The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Megan Stoner's responses to these allegations are addressed within this season. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong.
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You don't know me well At all, at all, at all, at all You don't know anybody Until you told yourself
00:02:43 Speaker_09
Hello, this is a call from an inmate at the Hamilton County Jail. This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording.
00:02:54 Speaker_00
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00:02:58 Speaker_11
Hey, Justin, how are you?
00:02:59 Speaker_07
Hey, Megan, how are you?
00:03:02 Speaker_11
Hey, I'm good. How are you?
00:03:04 Speaker_07
I'm good. I do have some news to share with you that I'm not sure you're going to like.
00:03:10 Speaker_11
Oh, God. What?
00:03:12 Speaker_07
The story has been picked up by another journalist that has her own podcast. She's got a very big platform, and she is wanting to talk to you.
00:03:27 Speaker_11
What's her name? Guys, I can't. What's her name? I need her name.
00:03:31 Speaker_07
Her name is Tiffany Reese.
00:03:34 Speaker_11
How do you spell that? Someone play my hand. Where is she from?
00:03:38 Speaker_07
She has a podcast called Something Was Wrong.
00:03:43 Speaker_11
Okay, hang on, let me write, hold on, I need um, hold on, let me get this. Um... Wait, uh, but he said she's a journalist. Is she with anybody or is she an independent journalist?
00:03:55 Speaker_07
She's an independent journalist as far as I know. I know that her podcast is, like, covered by Wondery, which is like the main podcast company.
00:04:03 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know what Wondery is. Okay.
00:04:06 Speaker_11
Um... How does she want me to get in touch with her?
00:04:11 Speaker_07
I have her phone number and you can call her, I think as soon as tomorrow. I will tell you this is a very big platform. So she's very nice. I've talked to her like three hours over the last few days, but, um, she does want to talk to you.
00:04:28 Speaker_11
What's her last name?
00:04:30 Speaker_07
R-E-E-S-E.
00:04:32 Speaker_11
Okay.
00:04:33 Speaker_07
I believe it's like the number four most subscribed to podcast on Apple.
00:04:38 Speaker_03
Okay.
00:04:41 Speaker_07
Um, so it's, it's pretty big. So that's yours to, to deal with. I will give you the phone number. And like I said, I think the thing is Megan, like, I think she's going to talk to you one time, like do not abuse this number.
00:04:59 Speaker_07
She was very apprehensive to let you have it, but I was told to give it to you, so I'll give it to you now. Let me know when you're ready.
00:05:07 Speaker_12
Yeah, I'm ready.
00:05:07 Speaker_07
Okay, the phone number is 9-1-6.
00:05:13 Speaker_11
Okay, is she on getting out, did she say?
00:05:16 Speaker_07
Oh, I don't think she's on the messaging app.
00:05:21 Speaker_11
Oh, well, I don't mean that. I mean the video, well, the video visit. I know it'd be easier to video visit her. That's okay. I'll just call her tomorrow. Um, would you have any advice?
00:05:35 Speaker_07
Don't bullshit her. Um, be honest. Nobody wants to hear you play the victim, Megan. Like, you're going to be asked very specific questions, and like, I would not try to work your way around it. Either answer them or don't, but do not try to lie.
00:05:51 Speaker_07
It will not go well for you.
00:05:53 Speaker_11
Okay. Well, thanks for the info. I appreciate it, Justin. Um... Have you listened to podcasts? Like, her podcasts?
00:06:03 Speaker_07
Yeah, I've actually been a fan of hers for a while.
00:06:06 Speaker_11
Oh, wow. Okay.
00:06:09 Speaker_07
I'm not the one that reached out to her, but I guess somebody from the group did, and she's taking it up, so... Yeah, okay.
00:06:18 Speaker_11
I might give you a call tomorrow night to let you know how things go with Tiffany.
00:06:22 Speaker_07
Okay. Alright, sounds good.
00:06:24 Speaker_11
OK, thanks, Justin. Bye.
00:06:26 Speaker_07
All right, bye-bye.
00:06:30 Speaker_09
Hello, this is a call from an inmate at the Hamilton County Jail. This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Thank you for using Global Teleink.
00:06:45 Speaker_08
Hi, this is Tiffany. Hi, this is Megan Stoner.
00:06:49 Speaker_13
OK, I thought so. How are you?
00:06:52 Speaker_08
Yeah, I'm OK. Thanks for taking my call.
00:06:55 Speaker_13
I spoke to Justin and he told me that he would pass along my number, so I'm glad it got to you.
00:07:01 Speaker_11
Yeah, I was just curious if you could tell me a little bit about your podcast and kind of your angle on my story.
00:07:05 Speaker_13
Yeah, so my name is Tiffany Reese. My main podcast that people know me from is called Something Was Wrong. And essentially, audio documentaries is what I make. So the original season started with a story that I came across through someone I knew.
00:07:20 Speaker_13
But since then, all of our seasons and stories come to us through the listeners. So we actually have a website where we get submissions, essentially.
00:07:29 Speaker_13
And I actually had multiple people submit your name and this Facebook group that essentially was started surrounding the crimes you've been charged with. So far, I've met with Alyssa, and then I spoke with Justin so far.
00:07:45 Speaker_13
Given the public nature of this case, I've been able to review a lot of the materials quickly, given like the public case files and Twitter and Facebook groups and such.
00:07:57 Speaker_13
So yeah, I thought I would reach out to you and see if you would be interested in making a comment. I can also check back in with you once I've had more time to conduct the interviews.
00:08:09 Speaker_13
But essentially, I have a pretty decent idea of what the allegations against you are and what is in the criminal record, and I could certainly go over that from a fact-checking perspective with you and have you comment on that if you wanted to, or some people go, no comment, you know, it's really up to you.
00:08:28 Speaker_13
Okay.
00:08:30 Speaker_11
How soon are you looking to publish an episode about me?
00:08:34 Speaker_13
So we are planning for a season because we've had a lot of people come forward. We have about three to four weeks that we're working on trying to get all of the rest of the interviews done.
00:08:47 Speaker_13
So in a few months would be the soonest they would start airing because I have to conduct a thorough investigation and I have to legally make sure that anything that is included is legally responsible.
00:09:02 Speaker_11
Right, okay.
00:09:04 Speaker_11
Um, I guess I'm just trying to like figure out your angle because, you know, I, I don't want to do an interview and, you know, be made a fool of or just be laughed at, you know, because I am willing to take responsibility and I understand.
00:09:15 Speaker_11
Um, I just, you know, I don't want to have to, uh, you know, I don't want to be laughed at essentially.
00:09:22 Speaker_13
Yeah. I mean, understandably so. Cause who wants that? But, you know, given the charges and everything that's out there, you have to know it doesn't look good. I mean, already. Yeah. And so honestly, Megan, I don't know how to articulate this.
00:09:43 Speaker_13
Given that you have put out there publicly that you're a survivor as well. I essentially wanted to like extend you extra courtesy.
00:09:55 Speaker_08
Thank you.
00:09:58 Speaker_13
But I'm unclear. if those allegations are true or not, or which of them are true or not. And so that's what's also difficult, because, you know, being somebody who works with survivors from all over on a daily basis, we take that really seriously.
00:10:15 Speaker_13
And we take false accusations really seriously, because that harms the 97% of survivors who come forward and are being truthful. And so I think that would be the first piece you and I would have to sort out. You know what I mean?
00:10:30 Speaker_11
Yeah. And I guess I'm more confused. Are you wanting to look at the crimes that I've committed? I mean, I pled guilty, so I can talk about that. That's not, you know, that's not a secret.
00:10:40 Speaker_03
Right.
00:10:41 Speaker_11
I pled guilty. I'm sitting in jail now. But are you trying to go on more of my personal life? Because My being a sexual assault survivor, if I am or not, that doesn't really have anything to do with my crime. So I'm just, I'm trying to understand. Right.
00:10:55 Speaker_13
But false reporting is a crime.
00:10:58 Speaker_11
Absolutely. I agree.
00:10:59 Speaker_13
So that would be a crime. So we will talk about not only the crimes you've been charged with, but if we find that there's other crimes that have been committed, then yes, we would report on those.
00:11:09 Speaker_13
And there's a lot of allegations of that, that you haven't been charged with and your victims are seeking justice, you know,
00:11:17 Speaker_11
Yeah. Well, I guess the other tough part is I've not been able to listen to this podcast. I don't know what's being said about me out there, honestly, on my allegations, because I've been locked up since April. or late part of April.
00:11:30 Speaker_11
And I was incarcerated for six months prior to that. So it's really, really hard to know what even is being said at this point about me. Would you be interested in talking with me after I get out in November? Or would that be too late?
00:11:43 Speaker_11
Because I'd like to review what's being said about me. So when I provide a comment, it's not shooting just from the hip here.
00:11:52 Speaker_13
Well, the problem with that is if I allow you to review all the testimony that's going to come out against you, that will allow you to plot and manipulate further and twist things to make your story make sense.
00:12:04 Speaker_13
So what we do is we collect everybody's testimony, and then we evaluate all of it, and that's compiled. We give the opinions of both sides, and we allow the listeners to make the decision. But I don't typically extend my platform to
00:12:22 Speaker_13
house voices of who we, you know, refer to as like the predator, the criminal in the situation. But I can't always read a comment on your behalf or something of that nature.
00:12:33 Speaker_13
Most of the time, honestly, because their lawyer would never recommend that, especially because you have so many pending legal charges still.
00:12:40 Speaker_11
I mean, I hear what you're saying. I don't know what is being alleged about me or allegations being said about me right now. I don't know what's out there.
00:12:51 Speaker_13
Um, okay. Do you want me to give you a high level of it and you can just not comment on it, but just let me read it.
00:12:57 Speaker_11
Yeah.
00:12:58 Speaker_13
Okay.
00:12:58 Speaker_11
That'd be great.
00:12:59 Speaker_13
So what I have here that I'm looking at just for your reference is like a timeline document that we're putting together. And we organize the evidence in as most, you know, a linear way as possible.
00:13:10 Speaker_13
So the first allegation against you, and I don't have notes on where all of these came from at this time, but we can locate those, but we have from 2012 to 2016, you attended Elmwood community high school.
00:13:24 Speaker_13
You started in politics in 2014 and you joined. I believe called the Young Republicans Club.
00:13:30 Speaker_13
It's alleged that your parents and you were spoken to by police about falsely accusing one of your church pastors of sexual assault and that the church called you to speak to you upon the realization that you had lied about the accusations and it was discovered that you had fabricated text messages between you and the accused pastor claiming that
00:13:55 Speaker_13
The pastor had wanted you to come to his home to engage in sexual activity with him and his wife. Then we have just like basic stuff. So 2015, you were working at Life of America. You were pursuing your CNA license.
00:14:13 Speaker_13
2016, 2017, you began volunteering during high school in local politics. You met Justin in, it sounds like college. heard of you or you knew of each other, but you only met in person maybe a couple times, it sounds like.
00:14:28 Speaker_13
What Justin reports that he had been told is that you had been essentially fired from your internship for lying about the number of places that you were, like, getting surveys from.
00:14:44 Speaker_13
2014 to 2017, your relationship with Curt Neasley was documented a lot. And then I believe that there was allegations made against him at one time, but that's not on here yet. That's not accurate. Not against him? Okay. Okay.
00:15:03 Speaker_13
Just that you worked with him, basically.
00:15:04 Speaker_11
He was a member of mine.
00:15:07 Speaker_13
Okay. Got it. Okay. So, 2018, 2022. Your background check shows that you volunteered at the U.S. House of Representatives from 2018 to 2022. Oh, here it is. And this is where it gets murky.
00:15:22 Speaker_13
Something about you worked with politician Boswell and that that resulted in a sexual assault.
00:15:31 Speaker_11
Can you say the name? I didn't catch the name. You said Boswell.
00:15:35 Speaker_13
I think it's Boswell. Is that? Let me find my notes on that. The autocorrect might have messed me up there. Something with a B for sure, hold on one sec. Do you know who I'm referencing? Sorry.
00:15:52 Speaker_03
Yes.
00:15:53 Speaker_13
Okay, and then April 2015, there was a lot of, there's like lots of pictures of you with former Vice President Mike Pence before he became Vice President. There's a lot of chatter about Oh, Brian Bosma, excuse me, that was the person.
00:16:11 Speaker_13
But a lot of chatter about Pence's security team essentially flagging for you, and you weren't supposed to be there, but somehow you got a selfie with him.
00:16:22 Speaker_11
Yeah, I don't really know much about that, but that's interesting to know, okay.
00:16:26 Speaker_13
Um, yeah, this is just what's been, I mean, some of this is just, hasn't been confirmed. Obviously these are just literally the claims that we've found thus far.
00:16:34 Speaker_13
And people are claiming that Mike Pence is aware that you're in jail because of, I assume the Bosma allegations. And there were allegedly some other allegations about Bosma and other politicians involved in a group sexual assault. Okay. 2018.
00:16:53 Speaker_13
There were allegations that you were working with a journalist or had claimed you were working with a journalist from the Indiana Star on a story about the previous sexual assault I mentioned, and claims that the journalists were harassing you.
00:17:10 Speaker_13
2019, 2021, graduated from Ball State. 2020 or 21, let's see. Okay, some of the information that people are alleging that is fake information that you have posted online.
00:17:23 Speaker_13
Fake stalking stories, fake medical stories, fake deaths of your parents, a fake child and a fake death of a fake child, false sexual assault allegations.
00:17:37 Speaker_13
false allegations against a megachurch and that members of that church had sent you a box of sex toys as a form of sexual harassment and their claim is that you later admitted to lying about all of this when the people in the Facebook group confronted you.
00:17:54 Speaker_13
2020, okay, there's someone alleging that you claimed that Mike Pence was running a sex abuse ring out of your apartment, and that you had claimed to drag out dead bodies.
00:18:12 Speaker_13
June 21st, 2020, you were interviewed by the Indianapolis Star about anti-masking. December 21 through March 22, you had the Sinking Ark podcast about the Itown Church in Fishers.
00:18:31 Speaker_13
and that there was a fake murder for hire plot against Pastor Jeff Thompson, and it involved another woman. August 2022, you were a teacher at school for only two days.
00:18:44 Speaker_13
However, you posted an Amazon wishlist with around 200 items, many of them personal items, and then you wrote an article urging people to donate. Don't have dates for some of these.
00:18:56 Speaker_13
Another claim is that while you lived in Indiana, you lived next to a man named and you were using his cash app, March 2021.
00:19:07 Speaker_13
There's an allegation that you defrauded the Small Business Administration by obtaining a PPP loan while the program was in effect. November 3rd, 2021 was when the order of possession eviction damages was sent.
00:19:26 Speaker_13
21 to 23, the rental scams, which obviously you've already pled guilty to those. And then there's the whole Tesla thread, which when do you go to court for that December?
00:19:36 Speaker_11
I'm not, um, I'm aware that it's small claims action against me in Indiana. I am aware though, of a court date. I did work that there was a file, but I've not been aware of a court date yet.
00:19:51 Speaker_13
Okay. That's the, where the allegation about you lying about your parents being dead.
00:19:57 Speaker_13
I'm sorry to hear that they have passed away now, but what they're claiming is that before your parents passed away, that you had claimed that they had been killed or shot.
00:20:06 Speaker_13
March, May 2022, Jeff Thompson was on your podcast and afterwards stated he felt he wasn't sure if you were a truthful person charged for not paying a tire changing service, $75 in 23. So then when were you arrested April 28th then, or.
00:20:29 Speaker_11
I was, yeah. So it started April, 2023 and I bonded out the next, I turned myself in at some point, um, the next day after the warrant was issued, turned myself in, bonded out and then, um, caught a new case that is still pending in Elwood city court.
00:20:49 Speaker_11
That will be her in December. And I had my bail revoked in Hamilton County. I started doing my sentence, went to work really in March of this year and then came back in April of this year. And I'm here until November. Okay.
00:21:06 Speaker_13
Yeah. Got it. Okay. I'm almost done. I think, sorry. Do you want me to keep going? Okay.
00:21:12 Speaker_11
Okay.
00:21:14 Speaker_13
Okay. So then. We won't be sharing his name on the podcast out of respect for his wishes, but we'll refer to him as Tom, but I'm sure you're aware of the allegations there.
00:21:24 Speaker_13
It looks like the allegations are that you opened a credit card and that you were falsely collecting money for him around. It sounds like upwards of like 30, 40,000 may 2023. That's when the Twitter was created and started posting documents.
00:21:42 Speaker_13
Some of these are kind of smaller notes. May 8, 2023, created a Lyft account using the name Abby, who was your former roommate. I believe that's the one you use with the Tesla stuff.
00:21:52 Speaker_13
May 2023, and then like the information about, you know, you being kicked out of the work release and those pieces.
00:22:01 Speaker_11
I mean, the main problem is I understand about, I get it, about not wanting to wait to where I can You know, carry everyone else aside. But the other part of this is, I'm in jail. I have no way to prove what I'm saying is true or not.
00:22:16 Speaker_11
I don't have any documents. You know, I don't have any of my evidence that I can give you. I don't have anything. I don't have access to anything. So, I can tell you the sky is blue right now, but I don't have a way to prove that. And I know that.
00:22:30 Speaker_11
And I don't expect you to just take me to court. So, how can I, being in jail and away from my devices, You know I Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
00:22:43 Speaker_13
Here's my thing I don't need any documents to review to prove that I didn't falsely accuse someone of sexual assault or commit crimes Personally like I don't need any files to reference for that I don't know what files you would need, but I'm sure we could get them to you Okay, I guess I'm not aware of how you would do anything to me in here because I mean it's a pretty I
00:23:07 Speaker_13
Well, I don't know what you would need that would change. I mean, you, you either committed these crimes or you didn't, it's pretty cut and dry. I mean, there's a lot of evidence here. All I know is that I've spent less than a week on Megan.
00:23:19 Speaker_13
And I feel like I could prosecute you in a court of law based off of what I found after one week.
00:23:24 Speaker_13
So I don't know what you could possibly have that would disprove any of this, but you, you not only have like a handful of people saying this, there are like upwards of 300 victims claiming that you've conned them by now.
00:23:38 Speaker_13
There's been a lot developing, I think, while you've been in jail that you're probably not aware of, but like, you know, this is a lot of indisputable evidence.
00:23:47 Speaker_13
And so I think what I would say is the degree to which a person can grow is directly proportional to the amount of truth that they can accept about themselves. You know? I don't know what your plan is when you get out of prison or jail. I'm sorry.
00:24:05 Speaker_13
Um, but I hope it's to not harm any other people.
00:24:09 Speaker_13
That would be, I think the, the first start, because the majority of people that I've spoken to are just honestly scared that you're just going to continue to do this to other people, disabled people like, or some of these other victims, people that have literally reached homelessness because of the crimes that you've committed and the harm that you've committed.
00:24:29 Speaker_13
It's bigger than just like what's criminally illegal. It's morally and ethically repulsive. And it's such a staunch juxtaposition to everything that you purported to support and believe in politically.
00:24:46 Speaker_13
So that's what makes it such an interesting dichotomy for people. And so I think that's really where all this like online interest is coming from. It's because you are You already look like a joke to these people.
00:25:03 Speaker_13
You look like the world's biggest hypocrite. Do you know what I mean?
00:25:07 Speaker_11
Yes. I mean, I guess all I would say is that obviously I can respect you as a journalist and You know, I'm just going to say I hope you substantiate your claims because I'm definitely looking at defamation suits when I get out. I already know that.
00:25:25 Speaker_11
And I just, I hope you're accurate. You know, I don't have a way to substantiate anything I would say. It doesn't matter what I would have to share with you evidence-wise. I don't have a way to access that in here. I don't have my thoughts.
00:25:40 Speaker_13
Yeah, I would talk to your lawyer, you know. That would be my recommendation.
00:25:46 Speaker_11
I have a public defender that withdrew because my case is closed. My public defender doesn't want to be a part of this public charade. Yeah. Why would they? Yeah. They don't want to be part of that. They're not getting paid for it. Got it.
00:25:59 Speaker_13
You don't have the representation. No. Got it.
00:26:02 Speaker_11
Okay. No, I'm sitting in jail.
00:26:04 Speaker_09
You have one minute remaining. Oh, sorry.
00:26:08 Speaker_11
We have one minute. Yeah. I mean, I'm happy to touch base with you in November.
00:26:12 Speaker_13
Okay. We're going to air the story regardless. but we will just list it as no comment then.
00:26:21 Speaker_08
Okay.
00:26:22 Speaker_13
If you want to get back in touch with me before then, you can just let Justin know if he's still speaking with you and then, and then we can arrange it that way if you'd like.
00:26:31 Speaker_13
Once I've had more time to like talk with more people and vet more of this stuff myself.
00:26:36 Speaker_11
Okay. I might talk with you in a month or two then. Yeah.
00:26:39 Speaker_13
Perfect. Yeah. That'd be great. All right. Take care of yourself. All right. Bye bye.
00:27:00 Speaker_09
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00:27:08 Speaker_10
Can you hear me? Yeah. What can I do for you?
00:27:14 Speaker_12
Hey, I was just really curious. I heard about this podcast. I was just really curious how it's going.
00:27:19 Speaker_10
It's going fine. I think it's going to really bring to light like the true person that you are. I think it'll be great. I did some recording with Tiffany last night. We're going to do some more here soon.
00:27:36 Speaker_10
There's a lot of people stepping forward that want to come out and speak and she just has a really large platform.
00:27:41 Speaker_10
I think the goal has always been to just make sure that you're not going to re-offend and I'm hoping that this keeps you from re-offending in the future and not being able to commit future crimes because the audience will be so vast. Yeah.
00:27:53 Speaker_10
How's things going with you, Alyssa? You know what? My life got a lot less hectic when I stopped answering your calls.
00:28:02 Speaker_11
Yeah, I understand. I know we've not talked in almost a year or so.
00:28:06 Speaker_10
Yep, I lost my dad to suicide, and then shortly after that, the guy that I was with had an affair and had a baby with another woman, so I've recently moved out with just my kids. My life has- Oh, wow. Yep. all as well.
00:28:25 Speaker_10
And now I feel like I have the bandwidth to really kind of sit down with Tiffany and like, help do this podcast, which I think is great. It's been like, really nice to have someone else maybe like see the full picture of, you know, what happened.
00:28:38 Speaker_11
I talked to Tiffany last Friday. I know. Oh, okay.
00:28:44 Speaker_03
Yeah.
00:28:46 Speaker_10
Hey, has anyone asked anything about a court date for the Mason Motors case? Megan, I'm not willing to give you any information about anything. Like, you should definitely speak to your lawyer if you have one. If you don't have one, you should get one.
00:28:59 Speaker_10
I do know that, like, Tiffany is going to be working very hard to try to get some more of these crimes seen and heard by the correct people. I think a lot of this stuff wasn't brought to the correct people at the time.
00:29:11 Speaker_10
And I think that she's got a lot of connections. So whether more charges come or not, I don't know. But I think she's definitely willing to advocate for the victims that Their voice wasn't heard. You weren't charged with those crimes.
00:29:24 Speaker_11
Yeah.
00:29:26 Speaker_10
I've heard your conversations with other people and it doesn't really sound like anything has changed. And, you know, I know that when you went to work relief, you were still kind of like fucking off and not doing what you were supposed to do.
00:29:37 Speaker_10
And that didn't surprise me at all. I kind of figured that's exactly what would happen and that they would see through your bullshit very quickly. And they did. Which, I mean, was really to be expected.
00:29:47 Speaker_10
If you're not doing what's expected of you there, then you're there, then you're gone. And so I almost find it comical that you're like calling me and trying to get ahold of me just to ask me about it.
00:29:56 Speaker_10
Like Megan, this is going to ruin your reputation. You will have a really hard time finding a job or scamming someone ever again after this. And that's been my goal through all of this.
00:30:05 Speaker_10
Like I put so much effort into making sure that your victim's voices were heard. And that's why I reached out and started this process with her because I really felt like people need to know just how truly malicious and terrible you have been.
00:30:21 Speaker_10
And I hope that when you get out, like maybe you pick up and move away and live a different life, or maybe you get out and make amends to the people that you did wrong by paying them back. Like, that'd be great.
00:30:31 Speaker_10
But I just don't think in the future, you're going to be able to scam. There will be no asking people for their social security numbers or sending a thousand messages a night from Twitter, asking people for $20 for underwear.
00:30:41 Speaker_10
Like that, that stuff's over now. And I would also like to tell you that like I, a lot of the phone calls that we've had, I did record. And it's a one-party consent state.
00:30:51 Speaker_10
So when you were saying that you had a child that died, I have all of those things. I have all the documentation of everything you've ever said. I shared all of those with her.
00:31:00 Speaker_10
So as excited as you think you are about this podcast and you think you're going to be famous or something, like I think you're in for a rude awakening. I was actually glad you called me just so I could make sure to tell you that.
00:31:11 Speaker_10
And I actually feel no remorse for what I'm saying to you now. I don't feel bad at all. You know why? Because the last time that I actually spoke to you, you threatened to call CPS on me and have my kids taken away.
00:31:21 Speaker_10
Because I told people that you were shitting in the shower at the jail. Those are the last, did you not notice that that was the last time I spoke to you is when you told me you're gonna call CPS on my kids and have them taken away.
00:31:30 Speaker_10
How truly disgusting that is to say to someone. So I accepted this call, but don't call me again like I've told you in the past. I don't want to talk to you. I have everything I could ever need to expose you to people.
00:31:44 Speaker_10
And that's exactly what I'm doing and what I've wanted to do all along. So if there's anything else you'd like to say to me, you can say it now, but this is the last time you will ever speak to me.
00:31:51 Speaker_11
Okay. Um, the recording of my mom that when she wouldn't sign for me, is it possible to get a copy of that? You know what?
00:32:02 Speaker_10
If I do, I absolutely wish we'll share that with you. Cause I lost a parent. So I know what that's like. to just want to hear their voice. If I find, if I come across that, you let me know and you get out and I'll send it to you.
00:32:14 Speaker_11
Okay. And you try to look for it, please.
00:32:17 Speaker_10
I have them all in a bin there. I have it all. When I get around to it, I'll get around to it. But I understand when it's like losing a parent and that sucks. And I, I, I hate that you've lost both of yours.
00:32:27 Speaker_10
And I, you know that I don't have contact with my mom, so I really don't have parents anymore either. And I feel for you for that. But at the same time, like that sympathy will not be played on me. because it doesn't excuse anything that you did.
00:32:40 Speaker_11
I'm not, I'm not asking you to have sympathy. I'm just asking for the recordings. Yeah, if I can find it and she, okay.
00:32:48 Speaker_10
Yeah, sure. I hope you're doing your time right. It seems like, you know, the little bit of freedom you were given, you pretty much fucked that off really quickly. We'll see what happens when you get out.
00:33:00 Speaker_10
I think there'll be a lot of eyes on you and hopefully by the time you get out, the podcast will already have been recorded and put out there for the world and
00:33:08 Speaker_10
We don't have to worry about any more victims because there won't be a person that doesn't know who you are.
00:33:12 Speaker_11
Yeah. Well, that's the way you feel. I mean, you're entitled to feel that way. I'm not trying to take that away.
00:33:17 Speaker_10
Well, I'm not the only person that feels that way. We're all entitled to feel that way. You heard a lot of people. I think I indulged you for far too long answering your calls. When I shouldn't have it, it really stressed me out.
00:33:28 Speaker_10
And it put a strain on me that I didn't even realize was happening at the time until I finally stopped answering.
00:33:32 Speaker_10
And it was like I broke free from that conversation that I was having with you because it was, you know, but also I there, I feel like you admitted to crimes over the jail phone to me that you had opened a credit card and name and done things like that.
00:33:43 Speaker_10
And I have all of that as well. But I think I finally found someone that has the ability to take those recordings and the things that I have accumulated against you and possibly charge you with more things. So.
00:33:53 Speaker_10
I think that would be the best outcome, but I'm also okay with just the awareness being out there of your crimes and what you've done and the story, because honestly, it's kind of like a movie.
00:34:03 Speaker_10
When you try to explain to people, they don't even believe that someone could be so capable of such evil.
00:34:09 Speaker_11
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of oddly enough, a lot of people that's reached out.
00:34:15 Speaker_10
Well, I heard a phone call with you the other day where you were like laughing with the girls and they're like, guys, be quiet. We're talking about my podcast. Like you're a fucking celebrity. Like how gross.
00:34:24 Speaker_10
Like you're using that to like gain a following in the jail. Like, Oh, it's just gross. Everything you do is gross. Well, I'm not going to use any more of my money to talk to you. I think I've said what I needed to say.
00:34:38 Speaker_10
If there's anything else you would like to say, I would say it now, because like I said, this is the last time I will ever speak to you.
00:34:43 Speaker_11
I plan to go to transitional housing when I get out. Are you guys going to try to take that from me too?
00:34:49 Speaker_10
Take what from you? Transitional housing? I mean, if you go to the halfway house and you start standing people, baby, we're going to come after you like you've never seen before. Just get out and do the right thing. That's all you have to do.
00:35:03 Speaker_10
Don't get out and ask for people's social security numbers. Don't offer sexual favors for them. Like, what? Like, just do the right thing. That's all anyone has ever expected from you.
00:35:12 Speaker_11
It's funny how work really fit and charged me with that at the court hearings.
00:35:17 Speaker_10
Well, it was absolutely in the paperwork, though, was it not, Megan? You think that we don't know how to file a request for documents? We all know how to file a request now. We all became masters of filing requests for court documents.
00:35:30 Speaker_10
We've seen everything. We've seen where they said you were messaging like up to a thousand people a day off Twitter asking for money. What the fuck is wrong with you? Who does that? Get a fucking job. Be a good person.
00:35:49 Speaker_10
Okay, I'm sorry that you didn't see the paperwork. I really could give two shits less. I read it. I know what you did. We all know what you did. No one's stupid.
00:35:57 Speaker_11
Well, they didn't charge me with that. It's funny that they dropped those allegations and got me without a count of four times. Okay. Well, let me tell you something.
00:36:06 Speaker_10
You're not in work release, are you?
00:36:07 Speaker_11
No. And whose fault is that? And I'm getting out earlier than if I was in work release.
00:36:15 Speaker_10
Okay, good. Then get out and do something with your fucking life. I plan on it.
00:36:19 Speaker_11
Thanks, Alyssa. Have a good night.
00:36:21 Speaker_00
Thank you for using Global Telink. Fucking bitch.
00:36:37 Speaker_07
Hey, how are you?
00:36:39 Speaker_11
Hey, I'm okay. Thanks for taking my call. I know it's Labor Day weekend. Okay, yeah, I did talk to Tiffany last Friday. Are you getting here?
00:36:49 Speaker_07
I heard that she, she just told me, thank you for putting us in contact. Cause she, she did talk to you, but I don't know any specifics. How did it go?
00:37:00 Speaker_11
I mean, honestly, I don't think it's fair to request comment for me while I'm incarcerated because I don't know what I'm defending myself against.
00:37:09 Speaker_07
Okay. Well, that was the opposite stance you took from Amanda. So what do you want here?
00:37:16 Speaker_11
Well, I'm just saying that, I mean, I think that it's hard to issue a comment when I'm incarcerated.
00:37:22 Speaker_07
Right. Which is what I told you. I mean, I agree.
00:37:24 Speaker_11
Yeah, right. Now I can understand that. I mean, I guess it's, I mean, I don't know, we kind of went over all the allegations, but I mean, quite frankly, there's so many and if there's any proof I want to submit, I mean, I don't have
00:37:42 Speaker_11
The ability to do so while I'm incarcerated.
00:37:44 Speaker_07
Um, well, what, what allegations did she bring up that you like, feel like you need to fight again?
00:37:51 Speaker_11
Um, honestly, I don't have the list in front of me. I don't know specifically. I just know that if there's anything that I want to provide proof for, I don't have that.
00:38:01 Speaker_07
And I, what do you think is going to be in there that you don't, that you need to prove what you need to provide proof again?
00:38:09 Speaker_11
There's a couple things that I'd like to prove against, and I'm not going to argue about them.
00:38:14 Speaker_07
Give me one. I'm not going to argue. I just want to know. I'm not going to argue. I just want to know what they are. I just want to know an example of something that you would like so I can better understand where you're coming from.
00:38:29 Speaker_11
Sure. I would like to prove about the storage unit thing. I was not scamming on the GoFundMe. That money did go towards the movers.
00:38:37 Speaker_11
And I eventually did get my stuff back from them in August, I think it was, or September of last year, before I got arrested, because I remember they took it to my mom's house. And so, I mean, that's an example. There was no scamming.
00:38:52 Speaker_11
That money went directly to them.
00:38:54 Speaker_07
I don't think anybody is saying that the GoFundMe was a scam. There's questions as to whether or not your dad's ashes were actually in there. That has been questioned.
00:39:08 Speaker_07
And we know that when the movers came to your house that day and got your stuff and had it en route to the next location, and they were contacted by people in the Facebook group, you did not have the money to pay them that day.
00:39:25 Speaker_07
You were trying to scam them.
00:39:27 Speaker_11
I had the money, but I'm not I mean, again, I can't prove anything while I'm in here.
00:39:31 Speaker_07
But then why did they put it in the storage unit, Megan? Why would they put it in a storage unit if you had the money?
00:39:38 Speaker_07
If somebody called them and said she doesn't have the money and you had the money, they would have taken it where they were supposed to. OK.
00:39:45 Speaker_11
I didn't have the cash. You are correct about that. I was trying to access the cash in the bank, and I couldn't withdraw $3,000 at one time. But they did eventually get paid, and I did get the stuff back.
00:40:01 Speaker_11
And the money that was raised towards that was for the purpose that it was being said for in the GoFundMe. It wasn't going towards buying chocolate bars or anything else.
00:40:12 Speaker_07
Nobody said it was going towards buying chocolate bars. Nobody has said that.
00:40:16 Speaker_11
I'm giving an example. I'm just, I was told that someone said that was a scam.
00:40:22 Speaker_07
The only thing I've ever heard about chocolate bars is that you did put some on your teacher list.
00:40:28 Speaker_11
But that was just an example. I was not out.
00:40:31 Speaker_07
Okay. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. But if you had the money to pay them, Megan, if you had the money in the bank, you couldn't get the cash out. Why did your stuff sit in the storage unit for months while you begged for money every day?
00:40:46 Speaker_07
If you had the money that makes zero sense, you, you couldn't pay them on the day you hired them. You hired somebody for a service that you couldn't pay for. That is fair game to talk about.
00:40:59 Speaker_11
Yes. I was talking about the GoFundMe, Justin.
00:41:03 Speaker_07
Nobody has drawn into question the GoFundMe. There's been questions around whether the story was as tragic as you made it sound because of the whole ashes thing. I don't know if that was, if they were in there or not.
00:41:15 Speaker_07
I'm not going to argue about it, but that is the only thing about the GoFundMe that's been questioned.
00:41:23 Speaker_11
Then why did so many people try to get it taken down?
00:41:26 Speaker_07
Because I think somebody, I wasn't one of them, but I think some people felt like you were scamming again, that you were not being honest about what that money was actually for, that you would take the money and live on it while you were hiding from the cops and not actually go get your stuff back.
00:41:49 Speaker_07
There's a lot of people that just think you shouldn't be, The online fundraising is probably just the space you need to shy away from, given your history. And I don't know that they're necessarily unfounded in feeling that way.
00:42:03 Speaker_07
Because with your history, nobody can really trust that money's going to get where you say it's going to. And people who might not know different might take that chance, and people are trying to protect other people.
00:42:16 Speaker_07
So I understand why people did it, whether it went for the storage unit or not. But this is where, this is where I get frustrated with you, Megan.
00:42:23 Speaker_07
You want to find one thing in all the stuff that Tiffany brought to you and, and find one inconsistency, one crack in her story, and then try to shut the whole thing down. Or I, I can't respond for comment because I can't prove this one thing.
00:42:46 Speaker_07
Megan, I haven't spoken to her since she talked to you, but I can tell you that she, like, I, I have a rough idea of the things she wanted to ask you about. And I think every single one of them is true. More or less.
00:43:00 Speaker_07
She's still trying to get her arms around all the details of the story. She's not putting anything out yet. She's just doing the groundwork right now. But you and I both know every single one of the, like the big bullet points are true.
00:43:16 Speaker_07
and you want to try to delay it.
00:43:18 Speaker_11
I'm not going to sit here and give any more, any more ammunition. That's for certain. Um, so if you're asking me to admit to anything, I'm not going to, I'm not asking you to admit to anything.
00:43:28 Speaker_07
I have enough. I have enough of you admitting to plenty of things. I have you on call admitting that you made up the Ryan Bosma thing. I got you on call admitting to all that stuff. I've got you on call saying all of it. So I don't need that anymore.
00:43:40 Speaker_07
I just, I get frustrated because I think you, you try to say like, I don't think this is fair. I don't think, but then you can't really provide anything that she said that wasn't true.
00:43:52 Speaker_07
You mentioned, well, that one go fund me did go for what I said it was going to. I don't think she asked you about that. Maybe she brought it up. Maybe she misspoke, didn't know the details when she was talking to you.
00:44:04 Speaker_07
But if that's the best, if that's the biggest detail that is, Somewhat missed. You're not really going on a whole lot. You don't really have much of a strong case there.
00:44:15 Speaker_11
Well, I am looking, I am going to look into getting a lawyer when I get out. I do want to look into defamation suits.
00:44:21 Speaker_07
Okay. Well, and, and I've heard that one from you before. And let me just remind you that you have a blue check mark on Twitter. You have a Facebook page that still exists that lists you as a public figure that you have made multiple media appearances.
00:44:39 Speaker_07
And getting a defamation suit against somebody with the online profile that you built for yourself is going to be very difficult and very expensive. And you have a reputation for not paying your attorney.
00:44:54 Speaker_07
So if you think you can get an attorney to take that case, and you are able to come up with the money, and you can get one to trust that you're going to actually pay for all their services,
00:45:06 Speaker_07
be my guest, but I don't know that that is something you're going to be able to do. Okay.
00:45:12 Speaker_11
I've, I've contacted a couple, I've been in jail, so we'll, I mean, we'll see where it goes.
00:45:18 Speaker_07
Well, we'll see where it goes. I mean, you can throw that out there because it's a scary word and think people are going to jump back.
00:45:26 Speaker_07
I don't know that you're going to find anybody that's going to take your case and you and I both know you don't have the money to pay them if you don't. So, This is a paper tiger.
00:45:36 Speaker_07
You're just trying to scare people because you're trying to control what's being put out there. The empty threats don't win you any favors.
00:45:44 Speaker_11
All right. Has any more been said on Twitter or anything?
00:45:49 Speaker_07
Not a ton, no. I think they shut the Facebook group down for the summer or whatever, just because the admins didn't want to deal with it.
00:46:00 Speaker_11
Yeah. Who are the admins still, do you know?
00:46:03 Speaker_06
The same ones there always was.
00:46:05 Speaker_11
Oh, okay. Um, okay. Yeah, I talked to Alyssa this week.
00:46:11 Speaker_06
Oh, what did Alyssa just say?
00:46:13 Speaker_11
I'm sure you heard the phone call. I mean, it went about as terrible as it can. I mean, I'm sure I don't have to paint all the details.
00:46:20 Speaker_06
I mean, it was... I actually haven't heard it.
00:46:24 Speaker_11
It was pretty gruesome. I mean, I don't really know what to say. I'm sorry. I mean, of course she's going to be angry at me.
00:46:31 Speaker_11
I mean, we did find common ground that she would try to find me the phone call of my mom because she knows what it's like to just want to hear a loved one's voice. And I don't have many of those. And she agreed that I could get with her when I get out.
00:46:47 Speaker_11
And if she finds it, she would send it to me, she said. I mean, that was pretty much the only thing we found common ground on.
00:46:53 Speaker_11
I mean, she seems pretty excited about the Tiffany podcast, which if you all think that's going to bring you some kind of satisfaction, then go on ahead.
00:46:59 Speaker_11
I mean, it proves, I think if you're all wanting a podcast to bring you satisfaction, I think it proves that the legal process didn't and that you're all pretty unsatisfied with what happened to me.
00:47:11 Speaker_11
I mean, that's my biggest takeaway, to be honest with you. was I think if you're all looking, again, if you're all looking for satisfaction in the podcast and that's gonna help stop people or stop me or whatever, I think that it, I don't know.
00:47:25 Speaker_11
I think you guys are just upset the legal process only got me six months plus seven and a year of probation. But I think that's pretty telling, that was all the prosecutor could get me on. That's all.
00:47:40 Speaker_07
Is that what you really fucking think? Is that what you actually think? Megan, you and I both know you will never serve a day in jail for what you did to Ed. You will never serve a day in jail for what you did to Edward.
00:47:54 Speaker_07
Victoria is not listed on the case that brought you in. There's a million things I could sit here and go through with you about things you did to people, lies you told that traumatized people, that emotionally flooded people.
00:48:09 Speaker_07
The things you did, the murder for hires, all of that, some of it's not provable in a court of law. You are correct. Some of it's not actually a crime. It's still really shitty.
00:48:20 Speaker_07
And the fact that you can sit there with that smug tone in your voice and say, well, you didn't get me on very much. Megan, you could have, probably just gotten probation.
00:48:35 Speaker_07
If you had turned yourself in the first time, come out, started paying restitution, gotten a job, and were on the right path, not had all those re-offenses over the summer, not had run from the police, not have gotten kicked out of work release,
00:48:52 Speaker_07
You wouldn't have served any of this time. If you feel like we're trying to get satisfaction out of watching you suffer, that is not what this is about. This is about getting justice for all the things that you will never actually serve for.
00:49:02 Speaker_07
Just because it's not a crime, just because it wasn't provable in this jurisdiction just because this case didn't pertain to it, doesn't mean you shouldn't face consequences for every last thing that you did. That's what this is all about. Got it?
00:49:19 Speaker_11
Okay. I mean, you're entitled.
00:49:21 Speaker_07
I mean, you're entitled. This phone call is over. This phone call is over. Goodbye.
00:49:28 Speaker_01
Next time on Something Was Wrong.
00:49:32 Speaker_07
This was also in the middle of her pissing match with iTown. She claimed on social media that somebody from iTown had come and shot her mom.
00:49:40 Speaker_07
So she was in the middle of planning two funerals and contemplating the unthinkable, that she was about to lose both parents.
00:49:49 Speaker_05
This is a very small community. Everybody knows everybody. And when you talk about sexual abuse or assault, especially in the political world, it's a big deal.
00:49:59 Speaker_04
I remember Jeff reaching out, very concerned for me, saying that there was a murder-for-hire plot, that the Association of Related Churches was involved, and that they had threatened him and that they were threatening to do something to me as well.
00:50:19 Speaker_01
Thank you so much for listening. Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production, created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese. Thank you so much to our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe.
00:50:33 Speaker_01
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00:50:47 Speaker_01
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00:50:59 Speaker_01
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00:51:13 Speaker_01
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00:51:26 Speaker_01
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