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Episode: Part 2: The 76ers Fell Apart, Embiid’s Next Five Years, and Week 12 NFL Picks With Chris Ryan and Joe House
Author: The Ringer
Duration: 01:31:04
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In Part 2 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Joe House to discuss how miserable the 76er situation is right now, how we got here, and whether it can be saved (1:35). Next, Bill and House run through their favorite NFL games
for the weekend slate (54:44), and make the Million-Dollar Picks for NFL Week 12 (1:16:39). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Chris Ryan and Joe House Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Summary
In Part 2 of The Ringer podcast, hosts Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Joe House analyze the Philadelphia 76ers' current issues, focusing on Joel Embiid's health and its impact on the team's performance. The conversation critiques management's decisions regarding Embiid's playtime, reviews team dynamics under Coach Nick Nurse, and debates their playoff prospects. Additionally, the hosts discuss their betting strategies for NFL Week 12, including insights on various matchups and player performances.
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If you missed part one of this podcast, I did an NBA six pack and we talked to Peter Schrager for a long, long time and it is already up and you can watch it as well on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel.
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where we put clips and videos of all the stuff we do here. We also have a Ringer Movies YouTube channel where we put the rewatchables, where we did the replacements. On Monday, I was surprised how many people were excited in my life that we did this.
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A lot of people love that movie. So there you go. Coming up on this podcast, Chris Ryan, my longtime Grantland slash Ringer colleague, my frequent co-host on the rewatchables and a diehard Philadelphia fan.
00:01:50 Speaker_02
We're gonna talk about this Joel Embiid Sixers situation, because it's getting really, really grim, and it's worth two segments. So we had them with Joe House, who stuck around and did Million Dollar Picks with me after, I like week 12.
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We're gonna talk about that. Tried to figure out a way to squeeze Drake May into the podcast somehow, which we did at Million Dollar Picks. Can't wait for you to listen. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, taping this early Thursday afternoon.
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Joe House is here because we're going to do a Million Dollar Picks a little bit later. Chris Ryan is here of The Ringer. We've worked together 13 years. Diehard Philadelphia fan.
00:02:46 Speaker_02
Chris, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask you what it's like to be a Philadelphia 76ers fan right now.
00:02:55 Speaker_00
Uh, you know what, it's actually not as bad as you think because it was a head-on collision. And like, it was dead on impact. It's 2-12.
00:03:03 Speaker_00
Yeah, like, they could probably scratch and claw their way out of this, but to me, this season, it had a kind of like end of the season vibe in the second half against Memphis on Wednesday. House, did you watch it?
00:03:17 Speaker_02
I couldn't look away. I watched the entire game. I think I watched every single minute of it.
00:03:22 Speaker_03
I was going back and forth, but it wasn't encouraging. I still want to know. Why Embiid is playing? I still would like to know.
00:03:35 Speaker_02
Yeah, see, walk us through this. What's the upside of not... So, all right, they fuck up. He plays the Olympics. They don't talk him out of that. That was a mistake. They fuck up. They give him a giant extension before the season starts.
00:03:45 Speaker_02
They didn't fuck up, Bill. Come on. They have to fucking give Joel Embiid a giant extension.
00:03:49 Speaker_00
Well, I think they fucked up that he obviously wasn't healthy. Yeah, but he hasn't been healthy his entire career. He's not been like a 100% I feel perfect athlete the entire time. So you were fired up when they gave him an extension?
00:04:01 Speaker_00
I think that it's the price of doing business.
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That's what Steve Ballmer found out with Kawhi. I mean, I don't know what we're talking about. Well, whatever. They put themselves behind the eight ball with the extension.
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Yeah.
00:04:16 Speaker_02
Why throw him out there when he's obviously not healthy? Explain this to us.
00:04:19 Speaker_00
I can't explain it to you because this has been a hallmark of the entire Beat Experience where I think his fans, especially this generation of fans,
00:04:29 Speaker_00
of the Sixers are completely like okay with, hey, we're gonna have to take some losses to make some gains.
00:04:35 Speaker_00
That's the whole point of the process was that this was gonna be this teardown to the studs and that we're gonna then build up with homegrown talent and bringing in free agents from acquiring guys through trade to help that homegrown talent get to a title.
00:04:49 Speaker_00
We're exactly in the same place we were when Doug Collins left, which is basically a second round basketball team And we're aging now. Like we have changed the kind of the sort of character of the team to where Joel Embiid is 30. He looks like he's 38.
00:05:05 Speaker_00
He might even look like he's 47, frankly. And like the guys that they have around him are largely veterans who are there on not necessarily mercenary contracts, but certainly like are there to win titles or get deep into the playoffs.
00:05:19 Speaker_00
But then you have this whole other fun Sixers team where it's like McCain and Maxie and Yabasele. That's just the thing.
00:05:26 Speaker_00
If there was a 2-12 McCain and Maxie team, I think he would have been like, oh yeah, this is kind of weird and sucks and we're pretty much out of it. But who knows? We're feisty and McCain's great.
00:05:36 Speaker_00
But instead, with George, who's now hyperextended his knee and is back out again, and Embiid doing the like daily, and not even daily, like hourly updates on like, maybe I will, maybe I won't. I'm never going to be 100%.
00:05:51 Speaker_00
I won't play back-to-backs, but I will if it's rolling for me. And I should be out, but I'm going to come back in. If they had just been like, Joel Embiid tweaks something at the end of the Olympics, he's out for the first six weeks.
00:06:01 Speaker_00
I just think it's a completely different scenario. You agree with that house?
00:06:05 Speaker_03
Of course. Of course it is. This is, um, to me the singular most baffling aspect of this entire deal. I thought that the Sixers in terms of team building had a pretty successful summer. They put all their chips in the middle.
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We know you thought that cause you took the over 50 and a half wins. Remember that?
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I stand by it. It wasn't wrong in the context of the information that was available. It was a simple idea. I do think it was then desirable for them to try and finish among the top four teams in the East. desirable, right?
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Understanding, of course, that you're not going to get a full season out of MP or a full season out of Paul George.
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You, you hope for most of a full season out of maxi and that you can weather the storm enough to get around 50 wins and finish in the top four in the East. Cause all things being equal would be better to be have home court in the first round than not.
00:07:02 Speaker_03
But having said all that, the thing that's baffling to me still doesn't have an answer is what's with the drama, mama? What are we talking about? Just shut up. Well, like you did a great job in the summer. You built the best team you could build.
00:07:18 Speaker_03
There is a closing window on on Embiid. We all agree that Joel Embiid ain't going to be playing professional basketball for another mother effing decade. So you go all in and he's there's something happened.
00:07:30 Speaker_03
something either at the Olympics, after the Olympics, or before the Olympics. Yeah, so we got to shut him down. Okay, shut him down. Shut him down and shut him up. That's it. There's nothing else to say. Why are we talking?
00:07:43 Speaker_03
Who benefits from the goddamn daily soap operas? Who is more?
00:07:48 Speaker_02
You can go to the why are we talking thing.
00:07:51 Speaker_02
It's literally why are we talking, because all this stuff leaked out from that hour-long meeting where we come to find out the least surprising piece of information, see our recent Sixers history, which is that Joel Embiid, the other players were upset about his accountability, showing up late to meetings, his practice habits, and it was like,
00:08:13 Speaker_02
Yeah, I'm not surprised by one aspect of this, were you?
00:08:17 Speaker_00
No, but I think that this is all about how it's getting framed, right? So like, if you change over two-thirds of your roster almost every season, you're not going to be able to control the culture of the locker room.
00:08:30 Speaker_00
And if you bring in new faces who maybe don't have the same allegiances or the same relationships with guys in that locker room, they might just have more incentive to say something to their agent who says something to Shams, whatever happened.
00:08:43 Speaker_00
Honestly, it feels like that literal part of Maxi calling out Embiid seems like it was kind of blown out of proportion. There was like— Well, because they're buddies, right?
00:08:52 Speaker_00
Yeah, they are buddies, and it sounds like, at least from Embiid's side of things, he was like, that was 30 seconds of like a 30-minute meeting.
00:08:59 Speaker_00
You know, like, one person being like, you gotta show up on time, or him being like, you're right, I gotta be better.
00:09:05 Speaker_00
Why Joel Embiid is 30 and not showing up to shit on time, and that that has become so detrimental to the team, that it's getting out into an ESPN report, and that other guys on the team clearly don't look at him,
00:09:17 Speaker_00
as the alpha leader of the locker room and are okay with letting those details out of the locker room, that's a whole other conversation. But yeah, the communication part of this has been awful from top to bottom.
00:09:30 Speaker_02
Well, and then you have comparing his work ethic and ability to stay in shape versus some of the other best players in the league, right? That's where it really jumps out. And that's been the thing we've said on this podcast over and over again.
00:09:42 Speaker_02
He's competing against people like Giannis and Tatum, like LeBron in year 22. These guys that this is their life is to stay in shape and be ready for seasons and not make excuses about stuff. I think House and I are a little older than CR.
00:10:01 Speaker_02
We've seen a lot of centers hit this point and it usually doesn't end well. And that was the case I made before the season. As you get older, as you start carrying more weight, as you have some injuries and some injury history, not a lot of evidence.
00:10:15 Speaker_02
Like we saw it happen, you had Andrew Bynum that year. I think he was an all-star in 2012 and two years later he was out of the league.
00:10:23 Speaker_02
When you're talking about these big seven foot two, seven three bodies with extra weight, house, that's where my mind went to. Some of the guys we've watched where it ends fast.
00:10:31 Speaker_03
Yeah, but the only thing that cuts against that is that it seemed like for the very first time in his career, it finally came out of his mouth that I think I should show up to the season in shape. I think this will be the season that I will choose.
00:10:50 Speaker_03
There was a kind of logic thread to it. He just surrounded himself with the upper of upper echelon, a highest performing, highest successful NBA players.
00:11:02 Speaker_02
Usually there's a bump from that.
00:11:03 Speaker_03
Right, the Olympic bump was somehow lost because he did get that experience. He was with all of those bright minds and very successful players with their own successful regiments. And he did say afterwards, I am going to be the skinny guy.
00:11:21 Speaker_03
It's going to be skinny and beat.
00:11:22 Speaker_00
I want to be like Tim Duncan. I want to have a thinner body. Yeah. The Tim Duncan part that he needed to internalize probably was just not saying anything. You know what I mean?
00:11:30 Speaker_00
Like it's just they needed probably to put a cap on the narration and the interfacing with the press about like what his intentions are and where he is. And it's honestly like it's weird hero ball stuff for him to be out there right now.
00:11:47 Speaker_00
And it's really unfortunate because what happens to him when he's not feeling great is his game becomes repulsive. It honestly becomes... fucking nauseating to watch him play. There's some guys where you're like, oh, look at him, he's gutting it out.
00:12:03 Speaker_00
You know what I mean? This is not Philip Rivers on a broken leg.
00:12:07 Speaker_02
I think he fell down, what, eight times last night? He's just flopping around. He wears all of his emotions on his face, good and bad, and this last night against Memphis was the all-time worst case version of that.
00:12:21 Speaker_00
And it's just, this is not a together team. It's not being coached in a way that seems like the coach wants to be there. Maybe he does, but this is not the Nick Nurse that I thought the Sixers were getting.
00:12:33 Speaker_00
It's not the Nick Nurse that coached last year. And he seems super pissed about whatever the situation is. He seems disgruntled in every press conference. supremely annoyed with the press corps. And then on top of that, welcome to Philly. Yeah.
00:12:51 Speaker_00
But like, honestly, man, though, like it's every every city is hard on a team that has expectations, though. Right. Like, I mean, the thing that I think is so jarring about this is that I almost wonder if it would be worse if they were four and seven.
00:13:06 Speaker_00
You know what I mean? Because it would be like, wow, you're not quite playing up to expectations. This is a disaster.
00:13:12 Speaker_02
Well, I was looking at their schedule. They lose every game by 10 to 20 points. I think they've had one close loss. Every other loss is a blowout.
00:13:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, their net differential is fourth worst in the NBA.
00:13:24 Speaker_02
That game yesterday, which, you know, they kind of fought back at the end because Memphis isn't good and also kind of fell asleep.
00:13:31 Speaker_00
Oh, by the way, even that game, they're down 20 in the fourth quarter. Also got their asses kicked by Luke Kennard and Aldama and like, they didn't have Jha or Eaddy last night. So it's not like you can like,
00:13:41 Speaker_00
Be like, oh, well, we got taken out by three all NBA guys. It's like, no, you, you lost to the B team Grizzlies, uh, in a like kind of half full gym.
00:13:50 Speaker_02
Well, the alarming thing about Embiid, like House, what you said earlier about why, why so much talking, why telling us? why you're feeling better, you're gonna lose the weight. To me, it's like, me and CR, one of our favorite movies, The Town.
00:14:04 Speaker_02
It's the Blake Lively character being like, Dougie, I quit drinking. Shine and I are gonna get an apartment. It's gonna be great. And it's like, I don't know if I trust this. Not to compare me to Blake Lively of the town, but I guess I just did.
00:14:18 Speaker_02
Um, it's like, ah, that all sounds good. But, um, can I, can I see it for like a year? Can I, can I see skinny and bead? Can I see you play some back to backs? I just feel like the ship sailed. What was crazy about last night, the body language.
00:14:33 Speaker_02
The team just doesn't seem together at all. The bench seemed like they were really trying to like cheer baskets and stand up and do the good chemistry thing. But on the court, it was a mess.
00:14:44 Speaker_02
And I noticed this last year with Embiid during the Knicks series, and I remember talking about it on the pod. And House, I think you and I talked about it. he's just really slow to the ball now in rebounds and shot block stuff.
00:14:58 Speaker_02
And I don't know whether his knees are just like, he's carrying too much weight, they're shot. He can't move quickly anymore, he doesn't have quick burst stuff.
00:15:06 Speaker_02
This was, we also saw that in the Olympics, which is why I think they were so hesitant to play him in certain situations. He gets killed on the offensive boards now. There's guys flying around.
00:15:16 Speaker_02
If you put him in a pick and roll and he has to run out to a shooter, he can't,
00:15:21 Speaker_02
And over and over again, you watch, it's not just that they're losing, the offense that these teams are getting combined with the offensive rebounds that they can get, I think is the most alarming thing to me. He can still get his points.
00:15:32 Speaker_02
I feel like he can always get to 25 or 30, but the other side of the ball is the alarming part to me.
00:15:37 Speaker_00
But honestly, dude, on paper, with all due respect, House, they're not the Wizards. Like, they shouldn't be 2-12. Like, Paul George and Tyrese Maxey, I know they've missed time each, but like,
00:15:51 Speaker_00
There have been stretches of time over the last five seasons with the Sixers where the Sixers have been able to weather three weeks, five weeks without a lead and stay in the kind of like middle of the pack in the Eastern Conference.
00:16:03 Speaker_03
It's literally why I had them winning 50 games.
00:16:05 Speaker_00
This is like a mutiny.
00:16:07 Speaker_03
They've been able to roll with it.
00:16:10 Speaker_02
Well, House, they play Brooklyn on Friday night at home. And they play the Clippers on Sunday at home, the revenge of James Harden. I almost think they're better off not playing at home.
00:16:23 Speaker_02
Then they play the Houston Pit Bulls on Wednesday, which is just a nightmare game. Talk about a team that plays hard and has athletes and is relentless. That's a team I don't want to play. And then they're at Detroit on November 30th.
00:16:35 Speaker_02
Does Nick Nurse make it out of the month for you?
00:16:37 Speaker_03
Oh, of course. I mean, there was really what, what, what, what's the thesis for getting rid of Nick nurse? Like what, like how, how is that going to help? He's not the one.
00:16:47 Speaker_02
Well, under the Rob Polinka law of things are going wrong. It's gotta be somebody else's fault. Who else are you going to blame? They can't get rid of.
00:16:55 Speaker_03
George, there's nothing to blame. It's November. Well, you know, the, the, the season that matters starts in March. They're, they're forecasted wind total right now is 38 and a half. Yes, it is.
00:17:10 Speaker_02
You can write 42 and a half, two days ago.
00:17:13 Speaker_03
Well, it's 38. But I'm telling you, there are only a couple of slots out of the 10 seed. They're dead last in the Eastern Conference right now as we're taping, but only a handful of spots away.
00:17:26 Speaker_03
And they right now have the seventh best odds to make the playoffs. It's minus 215 for the Sixers to make the playoffs.
00:17:33 Speaker_02
Oh, shit. So those odds weren't even on Fando like three hours ago when I was taping. The people demanded it.
00:17:41 Speaker_03
We have to fucking short these guys.
00:17:43 Speaker_02
No, to make the playoffs though.
00:17:45 Speaker_03
Much better odds to make than to miss.
00:17:47 Speaker_02
Yeah, but they're not... I don't think they're going to be in the top six. So... Agreed. Basically, the cutoff would be the 10 seed CR. Right? So you'd have to finish above five teams. So I'm going to list some teams.
00:18:01 Speaker_02
Like, you'll finish ahead of Washington no matter what happens. You have too much talent. That's happening. Sorry, House.
00:18:06 Speaker_03
Way to go out on a limb.
00:18:08 Speaker_02
You'll finish ahead of Toronto. Cause I don't, I don't think Toronto even necessarily wants to be good. So that's the second one. I think you'll finish ahead of Charlotte. I do too. So there's three. Then it starts getting a little gamey.
00:18:23 Speaker_02
Like you have Chicago that you catch Chicago on the right night and they can score, you know, they can score with anybody that look okay. You'd have to pass. Detroit and Brooklyn, you'd have to pass two of those three.
00:18:36 Speaker_02
Detroit right now is seven and nine and they're in these games and Cade is playing better than anyone on the Sixers. Can you get to a 10 seed?
00:18:47 Speaker_00
I think you can get to a 10 seed. I think that that's going to be so far below the expectations of the franchise at this point that it's going to still be seen as an abject failure. This is not.
00:18:59 Speaker_00
I don't think that this team had like Miami Heat expectations this season where it's like what they do is basically use the regular season as a like a experiment, you know, and whether all these storms and Spoh is making guys from G leaguers and all stars and it's just going to
00:19:15 Speaker_00
they're gonna scrape and claw their way into the playoffs and then nobody wants to play them. I think this is a team that was really hoping to have some kind of home court advantage in the playoffs.
00:19:24 Speaker_00
And also probably to be so safe in that, that they could rest guys down the stretch and make sure Embiid was healthy. Now it's the opposite. Now it's the opposite and I think like,
00:19:34 Speaker_00
I think now what happened with that meeting coming out, becoming public, is the problem is that everything seems like a reaction to something else. So losing to Memphis, which sucked anyway, is now a failure of the meeting to galvanize the team.
00:19:52 Speaker_00
So instead of it just being like, eh, you lost on the road to Memphis, what a shitty start of the season, but hopefully everybody starts to get it together. It's now like, that meeting didn't work. Right? And B looked miserable.
00:20:04 Speaker_00
He immediately comes out after the Memphis game and says, whoever leaked that is a real piece of shit. Presumably the person in the locker, somebody in the locker room did that. So that's what is happening in that locker room. George goes out.
00:20:18 Speaker_00
George does a podcast about the all hands meeting, the team meeting.
00:20:23 Speaker_02
Oh, he did that? I missed that part.
00:20:25 Speaker_00
He did apparently yeah, I haven't listened to it yet.
00:20:27 Speaker_00
I just saw house was just showing me the Thumbnail from it definitely guys content out of it It's like I my recommendation would be for Joel and bead to go out and not play for four weeks to four to six weeks and get as healthy as he can because him being like I'm gonna try and drag my body through a
00:20:47 Speaker_00
35 minutes against Memphis is not helping.
00:20:49 Speaker_02
They need to win like 34 games. So just send him packing and make sure he gets in shape. I thought he looked so miserable last night when the halftime hit and he just walked off and he was like a tennis player. We could take a break.
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00:24:52 Speaker_02
They'll give us Cam Thomas and it'll probably be like plus 140 plus. Last week on Friday I gave out three including Grady Dick was plus 750 against Detroit. I was very excited about it. He didn't get it but it was a fun thing to monitor during the game.
00:25:06 Speaker_02
But just pick your 30 point score, ride, And there you go, you can maybe take Joel Embiid if he ends up playing one of these games. CR, are you an NBA cup guy?
00:25:16 Speaker_00
I am an NBA cup guy. I love the different courts. You love the courts? Sure, you know, just visually stimulating. I love tournament basketball, so the group stages or whatever, but I love the knockouts.
00:25:26 Speaker_02
I like the concept of guys trying when they're down eight with like 10 seconds left. It's super fun. And by the way, very good for the 30 on 30 as well. Hope you like the Ring of Profit boost. We'll be doing it each Friday during the NBA cup.
00:25:38 Speaker_02
Just look for 30 on 30 in the FanDuel Sportsbook app. All right, here we go, House. CR, feel free to weigh in as well. Are we sure Nick Nurse is good? Can I just walk through? I'm willing to say yes, he's good, but can we just walk through it?
00:25:54 Speaker_02
So he takes over a Toronto team that went 59 and 23 in 2019. They went 58 and 24. They win on that Kawhi shot last second. Sorry, Chris. LeBron's in the West, it's the first year LeBron leaves. They play the Warriors in the finals.
00:26:13 Speaker_02
KD's hurt, doesn't come back till game five, immediately blows out his Achilles. Klay Thompson gets hurt, same game. They get this miracle Kawhi performance, and they squeeze it out. And we're like, Nick Nurse is a good coach.
00:26:25 Speaker_02
And I think he probably is a decent to good coach. Next year, 53 wins. Next year, 27 wins. 48-41 gets fired from there. Goes to Philly the year after. Has that really weird Nick series and then looks completely miserable this year.
00:26:43 Speaker_02
I just, I wonder if there's like only four or five good coaches, period. And I thought maybe he was one of them, but I think what we're learning is he probably wasn't. How's your thoughts?
00:26:53 Speaker_03
I think what you're speaking to and I think is a fair criticism of him is his ability to, to rally his ability to, um, you know, get guys on the same page with a common cause, because the story about why Toronto fell apart had to do with, um, a defensive scheme where they had a whole bunch of guys.
00:27:17 Speaker_03
They didn't have one tall guy on that team on that roster. They all had to go. you know, uh, baseline to baseline, side to side, full out defensive, uh, pressure extended way out to the three point line.
00:27:32 Speaker_03
And at some point they all got effing tired of it. And they went to coach Nick nurse and said, God damn it. Coach Nick nurse, you're, this is exhausting. We can't expend all of this energy playing all this defense in this way.
00:27:45 Speaker_03
And it fell on deaf ears and they were like, Hey, guess what? Nick nurse, Fuck you. That's it.
00:27:50 Speaker_02
Right, then goes to Philly, same, you know, not like last year. I was thinking about that Toronto team, because it's such a weird outlier, right? They had great defense, right? They have Kawhi, who's actually healthy.
00:28:02 Speaker_02
They have Marc Gasol, rim protection. They have Kyle Lowry, they have Siakam. They have Ananobia that didn't have him in the playoffs that year. Danny Green, they had Wings, they had Ibaka.
00:28:11 Speaker_02
But really, they had Kawhi, who we left that playoffs thinking this is the best player in the world. And we've seen coaches that have great situations like that
00:28:19 Speaker_02
And I just wonder, like, when they hired him, CR, and we talked about it, I was like, wow, you got Nick Nurse. That guy's a fucking great coach.
00:28:26 Speaker_00
Yeah, because it was like, he, there was, and it was like, is he, you know, are we gonna lose him to the Bucs? There was like a whole, like, Nick Nurse is the hottest free agent candidate. Nick Nurse sweepstakes. Yeah.
00:28:35 Speaker_02
Not sure there'd be a sweepstakes again, I guess is my point.
00:28:39 Speaker_00
I don't really know. I don't really know. Would Eric Spolstra just do a better job here? Probably not. What can a coach do when the main issue seems to be effort?
00:28:51 Speaker_02
Well, the big issue is it doesn't seem like he can 100% connect with Embiid as we've seen basically from all of Embiid's resume this season.
00:29:02 Speaker_00
Yeah, but I think there's a there everybody gets a little piece of blame pie, you know and be talking about you wanna go blame pie? We're doing a we're doing an ESPN gimmick. I like this. MB deserves a slice. Daryl deserves a slice.
00:29:16 Speaker_00
Paul George deserves a slice. Nick Nurse deserves a slice. You know like MB can't stop saying stupid shit. That's a huge problem, but that's probably more of a fan problem I would imagine than it is. Yeah. than it is a player problem.
00:29:30 Speaker_00
I just think that this looks like a team that hates each other. And I honestly, I was trying to rack my brains. I mean, I you can look up it's like, Oh, who's two and 12 and still makes the playoffs. It's like not that many teams. Six out of 92.
00:29:41 Speaker_00
I look right, but it's now that the playoffs have been expanded. But more than that, you just don't really see teams that clearly dislike each other this much doing anything.
00:29:52 Speaker_03
Do they really dislike each other?
00:29:55 Speaker_02
That doesn't seem like a happy team, I think is a very fair point. They don't seem happy playing basketball together.
00:30:02 Speaker_00
Right, right. And I don't think any of the guys, nobody on that team, except for Jared McCain, is playing in the plus.
00:30:12 Speaker_00
They're not playing in... Wow, we never expected that, but Jared McCain, him and Connect are like the two big success stories of the draft so far, it seems like. It's not like... George looks terrible even when he's not being dragged off the court.
00:30:27 Speaker_00
Maxie's obviously hurt. Drummond looks old. You know, like, Caleb Martin... There's no signs that Drummond might have been a bad signing.
00:30:35 Speaker_02
Yeah, Kyle Lowry. No signs that Kyle Lowry might not have it anymore. But here's the thing, Ciara. They crush the McCain pick. They get Caleb Barton at a huge discount. He was the only guy who was flying around last night.
00:30:48 Speaker_02
I actually thought he was really good last night. And Yabasele was a really good sign. They added three guys to the rotation that are awesome guys and it hasn't mattered at all.
00:30:58 Speaker_00
The whole entire thing runs through and beat, especially if Paul George is going to be this passive.
00:31:03 Speaker_00
That's one thing that's been sad is that because he got hurt in the preseason and because he's just re-injured himself, there's been no opportunity to be like, hey man, Paul, we're going to need you to carry us for the first 20 games of the season.
00:31:15 Speaker_00
You know, you're going to have to go out and get 25 a night. You're going to have to be the lead scorer. You're going to have to take the best player on the opposing team on defense.
00:31:24 Speaker_00
And he's just completely... The terrifying thing is like, this is why the Clippers let him go. They probably saw this coming.
00:31:32 Speaker_02
I covered this in part one. It's like buying the used car from somebody who's really eager to sell it to you. It's probably a red flag.
00:31:39 Speaker_00
But Bill, have you ever had...
00:31:41 Speaker_02
a Celtic season in recent memory. We did. We had the second Kyrie season. You can see it the whole season. It's like, it's off. This is off.
00:31:49 Speaker_02
But I talked about this when I did the PowerPoll a couple of weeks ago about when the concept of sacrifice when you're putting together a big three.
00:31:57 Speaker_02
And how, like when people always point to the 08 Celtics, where it was like those guys were at the point of their career where they're ready to give something up.
00:32:05 Speaker_02
This time around, you'd have to have him bead, what's he giving up, and does he want to get in shape. You have Paul George, who's probably the most likely candidate to be like, yeah, I don't care if I score all the time, I just want to win a title.
00:32:17 Speaker_02
And then you have Maxie, who's trying to prove he's a great player. You know, he doesn't want to sacrifice anything he shouldn't want to. He's a young player who's trying to prove that he's one of the best guards in the league.
00:32:27 Speaker_02
So that alone made me nervous, but then the Embiid conditioning and then the chemistry is, I think, the variables even House couldn't have expected as he went over 50 and a half wins. I'm going to cross that off house for you.
00:32:42 Speaker_03
I, I will take that L uh, it's literally why it's called gambling, but it was exactly what Chris Ryan just described.
00:32:50 Speaker_03
It was Paul George holding down the fort through the first 20 games that Paul George had maxi in the East, you know, building a little something with McCain. Yeah, right, right.
00:33:00 Speaker_03
A little something, but he's showed up dead and he was hurt within days of us doing the over under podcast and I eat maybe he's Not, I mean, after last night's injury, maybe he's still not, you know, restored to full health. I mean.
00:33:17 Speaker_02
Well, hopefully he can still podcast.
00:33:21 Speaker_00
The thing I was going to say, the thing I was asking you about, like the historical precedents, or if you have this experience where it's been a very long time with the Sixers since a season started.
00:33:31 Speaker_00
I remember the first car I ever had was a 91 Ford Tempo. used 91 Ford Tempo, and the transmission blew out on the drive home from the dealership. And it was just like, well, that is definitive. This is a lemon. Let's take it back to the lot.
00:33:49 Speaker_00
Clearly, there's gotta be some 12-hour grace period. This wasn't like, oh, I'm driving it for a while and shudders a little bit when you make lefts. No, there was no warning signs. This thing died as soon as it left the season opening gate.
00:34:04 Speaker_00
And it kind of almost feels like a little liberating after all these years of like kind of coming up short is like, oh, there's something rotten here. And maybe this this beginning is the beginning of a new chapter.
00:34:17 Speaker_00
We have to like kind of new chapter.
00:34:19 Speaker_02
You just signed a beat to an extension. And Paul George has a four year deal. What new chapter are we looking at?
00:34:25 Speaker_03
I like this.
00:34:26 Speaker_02
You're going to 2029 for the new chapter. What are you going to do? Are you going to hibernate like a bear for three years? I was talking about me. I was talking about my post-sixers life. Oh, yeah.
00:34:34 Speaker_02
Maybe you'll have more time now to concentrate on other things.
00:34:39 Speaker_03
Isn't there a pathway where it'll be fun to root for 39 wins? Isn't that going to become the new, like, OK, we understand. We take... Well, there's another... A big element of this is bad luck. Let's be honest.
00:34:52 Speaker_02
They have their pick. But it's top six protected. So you can't even root for like, let's just bottom out.
00:35:03 Speaker_00
Honestly, it would be really fun to root for McCain, Maxey, and the pro players. It would be fine.
00:35:09 Speaker_03
They're too good to bottom out.
00:35:11 Speaker_00
McCain is honestly worth watching the Sixers for, even if you also have to watch guys rolling around on the ground in agony.
00:35:21 Speaker_02
House, do we need to convene the Ewing Theory Committee?
00:35:25 Speaker_02
to just, should I send them to Philly to watch what the Sixers might look like if they have to shelve and bead for three weeks and all of a sudden that team is playing small ball and take it off?
00:35:34 Speaker_03
I don't know. Cause we had a pretty good sample size for that last season. They only played 39 games and they were bad. They were bad at the games that he didn't play.
00:35:44 Speaker_00
How much better would you guys feel about this team or would we even be doing this segment if they had won like three more games? Still bad, but just a slow start.
00:36:02 Speaker_02
The Miami game was unbelievable. I mean, that was, I think I blow the F out.
00:36:06 Speaker_03
Yeah.
00:36:06 Speaker_02
We're still a text to me. He was like, I'm not saying I hate watch pod of Sixers games would do well, but I do think it would get an audience. I think he's right.
00:36:16 Speaker_02
I think you could, you could basically take the Philly special and just make it like a venting session after every six or game. And it might, It might, and it rarely happens in basketball because it's the most naked sport, right?
00:36:28 Speaker_02
In football, they have helmets on. They might not show some of the sidelines. In basketball, you know when guys are unhappy. You know when guys are mailing in a play or a sequence. You can watch the reactions on the bench.
00:36:41 Speaker_02
You can watch how the bench reacts. You can see the coach in the post-game press conference. There's like 40 checkpoints where you're like, ah, this doesn't look right. And they're hitting all of them.
00:36:53 Speaker_02
I can't think of a single one they're not hitting other than that. McCain seems super happy to be in the NBA. He's like, hey guys! He's like a puppy running around. Hey! It's like when we got Murph and he was just running around the backyard.
00:37:05 Speaker_00
I hope that a consequence of all this is not Maxi loses that joy. Because that's the other thing. I don't think that's going to happen.
00:37:12 Speaker_00
Over the last couple of seasons, I think that that's been really important for Sixers fans is to see somebody who plays with so much unbridled
00:37:20 Speaker_00
pleasure, you know, because it sometimes doesn't feel that way for him beat and honestly, like, to me, as much as the health stuff is obviously pretty disturbing with him and the way he's talked about conserving his body for the playoffs and what it's going to take and, you know, he's never 100% and all that.
00:37:36 Speaker_00
He has said multiple things about basically saying like the amount that I've given to this city if Because of how much I've done for this team because of the amount I've given to the city It's ridiculous that this is like the discourse on me.
00:37:50 Speaker_00
So I I'm just I'm This is getting kind of dark, you know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know even with Daryl This would be the team that Daryl had always dreamed of right? It's like
00:38:04 Speaker_00
You take Embiid, and you get the on-paper, like, yeah, shooting, and veterans who know what their role is, and a really astute coach, and if that doesn't work, I don't really know what the plan is here, you know?
00:38:17 Speaker_02
House, they can't even trade Embiid until the summer, if they wanted to. I don't think they do.
00:38:24 Speaker_00
By the way, they're also trying to build a new arena, so keep that in mind with Embiid trades.
00:38:30 Speaker_02
It's weird because LeBron did that whole thing this week about how social media is too negative and the whole discussion and apparatus around basketball has become too negative. I feel like it hasn't really been that different.
00:38:42 Speaker_02
I think the only thing that probably has been added the last couple of years are these player podcasts where the players are especially the ex-players, they're like pro wrestlers.
00:38:51 Speaker_02
You know, it's like Mick Foley talking about how The Undertaker was a giant pussy. You know, not that he did that, but just like these cr- and the NBA is kind of turning into that where guys are just slobbing.
00:39:03 Speaker_02
Like Amon Shumpert had a whole thing the other day about how LeBron ruined basketball when he teamed up with Wade and, and, uh, and Bosh. And it was like, didn't, Weren't you on LeBron's championship team in 2016?
00:39:16 Speaker_04
What are you doing?
00:39:17 Speaker_02
But these pods are just crazy. And I do wonder if that's a sadded layer. I actually think people compared to how this would have been received in the 1990s have been pretty reasonable about this Embiid thing with some of the stuff you said.
00:39:31 Speaker_02
We've talked about it a lot on this pod. There's been so many red flags.
00:39:34 Speaker_02
I thought the Olympics was a red flag, the no back to back was a red flag, but CR, it feels like something has shifted now with the city and Embiid, where it went from like, you are our favorite son, we will defend you, and Philly's like this in a lot of ways, where it's like, you're our guy, fuck everybody else, and that's what it is.
00:39:53 Speaker_02
And it feels like that's been lost, which I think is significant.
00:39:56 Speaker_00
Yeah, I would say it's probably, I mean, to the extent that I can tell from Los Angeles, I would say that the fan base seems split 50-50 between like, Joel, True Believers, this is, he's just hurt, you guys aren't, you know, aren't being sympathetic to, I'm over it.
00:40:12 Speaker_00
I can't take their quotes. Like you can't do it anymore.
00:40:14 Speaker_00
I can't take the like, I'm not going to let myself feel anything because it's just going to hurt his knee or get Bell's palsy or whatever, like the litany of things that have happened to him over the course of his career.
00:40:26 Speaker_00
And then you go back to the origin story of his whole thing where it's just like, It's kind of a little bit of a miracle that he's playing.
00:40:33 Speaker_00
Like, when he was drafted, it was like, if we ever get to see Embiid, he could be the best player in this draft. If we ever get to see him. And we did. And he has never really, really been 100%. He's also had some really bad luck.
00:40:47 Speaker_00
with injuries, with running into faults or whatever and all that stuff that was not really a muscle damage thing.
00:40:54 Speaker_00
But to your point earlier about the Patrick Ewings of the world that just go downhill really fast, there's just too many knee injuries now.
00:41:04 Speaker_02
You know what else there is? There's YouTube and you can go back and you can watch him. six years ago, seven years ago, and you can watch how he moves and watch him now and he almost doesn't look like the same guy.
00:41:14 Speaker_02
And that's the thing that is undeniable. And that's, we have, unlike 20 years ago where we didn't have the ability to just queue up whatever video we wanted, now we can. And you can go back and you can watch him in Kansas in 2014 even.
00:41:29 Speaker_02
You can watch him in the Sixers even during that regular season when he just seemed like this fucking crazy, unstoppable offensive force. House, the thing that's crazy to me is he's still able to get to 30 points.
00:41:42 Speaker_02
That's how skilled and how well crafted he is. Yeah, from 15 to 18 feet, it's going in 98% of the time. And he's figured out how to do that and have enough of going downhill, lurching into people.
00:41:57 Speaker_02
He can still get his points, but I think the rebounding in the defenses was falling apart. What else have you seen?
00:42:04 Speaker_03
Well, what I've seen is he shouldn't be on the basketball court. I would like him to take off. I think it would be good for him, for the team, for the franchise, for him to just drop out. Come back after the new year. Get yourself right.
00:42:17 Speaker_03
Get yourself, give yourself the best chance. And you can, after the new year, play the games at NBA speed, getting yourself back up into it. But really all of this dialogue is November dialogue. It doesn't matter.
00:42:34 Speaker_02
for shit.
00:42:36 Speaker_03
That's it. Unless it's so poisons where you might get to come April and you really, the bar is so low. You just have to get to the play in the Eastern conference.
00:42:48 Speaker_02
CR, where does this go for you? Most disappointing Philly teams, any sport.
00:42:54 Speaker_00
Extraordinarily high. Yeah, what was that Eagles team when you had all those guys?
00:42:59 Speaker_00
Yeah, that was dream team Yeah, that was that sucked but in almost and that was like pride comes before the fall Like there was just way too much hubris about that team. Yeah, and as soon as you start like this thing Yeah, maybe you're right.
00:43:11 Speaker_00
I mean like that I did I thought that this team it was really wisely assembled, you know, like it seemed like Eric Gordon and Caleb Martin. Drummond was Embiid's best backup that he's ever had.
00:43:24 Speaker_00
It just seemed like this was a very, very expertly, wisely assembled team. And so to have this be quite the opposite.
00:43:32 Speaker_02
Yeah.
00:43:33 Speaker_00
And not only that, but it would be one thing if they were just like physically not there to have it clearly be a culture problem within the locker room and a huge amount of distrust and a huge amount of like, forget what the Philly fans think about Embiid.
00:43:45 Speaker_00
This was kind of repudiation of him from within the team. So whether it was like a towel guy who told somebody who told somebody who told Shams, that article came out very soon after the meeting and it had quotes.
00:43:58 Speaker_00
So someone wanted to get a point across and embarrass him and it worked.
00:44:03 Speaker_02
Very similar to that Celtic team, which was such a disappointing team coming off the Eastern finals, getting Hayward back. Year two, Kyrie, it seemed like he was going to sign and it fell off from the get-go, but it had a couple similarities. One was,
00:44:19 Speaker_02
the circus around Kyrie game to game, which he's since then admitted, where he's like, yeah, I was in a really rough spot in Boston that second year, and you could feel it.
00:44:28 Speaker_02
There was like an emotional rollercoaster that the players were on, the team was on, even the fans were on watching it. Like, what are we getting today? What version of him?
00:44:36 Speaker_02
You have that, but you also had people at different points in their career that were the wrong points for the team, right? And Jalen Brown talked about that recently. He was on that team, or Tatum talked about it. He wanted to prove that
00:44:50 Speaker_02
he could do this, and it's like now you're actually gonna be standing in the corner for a lot of these plays. You're gonna be the number four guy. So the Sixers have a little of that too.
00:44:58 Speaker_02
As you get older, you start seeing the signs of where it's not working.
00:45:03 Speaker_02
I don't know if the Lakers are gonna be good or not, but the way Connect fit in, just with what they needed, and I don't think that team's gonna be able to get stops, but Redick's got AD playing well, And you can see like, okay, this makes sense.
00:45:20 Speaker_02
And you know, you watched it from basketball teams like, all right, Houston, these guys make sense. There's an identity. Maybe it's not perfect. And then I watched Philly and I'm like, wow, I don't, I don't know what this is.
00:45:31 Speaker_00
Yeah. It's also with that Lakers team. The thing that impresses me the most is just how they immediately came into the season with an identity and a sense of purpose where you could have had the last few years of LeBron's career been at like a,
00:45:43 Speaker_00
A victory lap, and it could have just been a showcase, and even the Brawny thing in retrospect now has become a footnote to this season where everybody's like, this is going to be such a huge distraction, doesn't seem to matter.
00:45:54 Speaker_00
They handled it perfectly. Like, Reddick obviously commands that locker room to some extent, which is incredible, given the personalities. And it's the exact opposite with the Sixers.
00:46:04 Speaker_02
We'll see what happens when they have a couple tough games in a row.
00:46:09 Speaker_00
The Sixers came into the season unprepared, which I don't know whose responsibility that is ultimately. Back to my Nick Durst question.
00:46:16 Speaker_03
But to be fair, how could they prepare? They couldn't have Joel Embiid and Paul George healthy in preseason on the court at the same time.
00:46:22 Speaker_00
They were unprepared for the eventuality that these guys weren't going to be ready and that they should just maybe, they should maybe tell the fan base, tell the team, this is what the first six weeks of the season are going to be like.
00:46:31 Speaker_00
Don't look at the record.
00:46:32 Speaker_02
It's tough though, when you're caulking a championship from July on and victory lap in the whole summer, it's tough to just pivot. That was why it was so shocking when they did the back-to-back stuff. House, what was your most disappointing team?
00:46:49 Speaker_02
I mean, other than the last 35 years of Bullets Wizards, did you have a high expectations team that I can't pick one?
00:46:59 Speaker_03
I mean, honestly, no. Like, you know, the Nationals, it took them a little while, but they won the World Series in 2019 and it was a new franchise, you know, here in 2005.
00:47:08 Speaker_03
So, you know, like, oh, that that that team with Jason Worth, that should have been the one like not really the OV getting, you know, over the, the, the, the penguins getting past Crosby.
00:47:21 Speaker_03
Finally, like that, that was going to be this real disappointing, you know, career, but he got, he got his one and we'll, we'll see what, what the story is with this knee injury. He may yet get Gretzky's getting close. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he is very close.
00:47:38 Speaker_02
Disappointing team is the wizards not being able to be Kelly Olenek in a game seven. That's the one that keeps them up at night.
00:47:44 Speaker_03
You can't say Washington had anything to do with the basketball team because they haven't won 50 games since 1978. There is no one most disappointing when you're in that kind of a streak.
00:47:54 Speaker_02
We had a couple of really awful Red Sox teams that were super disappointing. There was a Carl Everett season, there was the chicken and beer season. But you kind of know early when it's happening, and that would be my fear with the Sixers.
00:48:05 Speaker_02
Yeah, and I think for you, for the Red Sox, the last couple of seasons, haven't you been like, ever since Mookie, you're basically like... Yeah, but I didn't have expectations.
00:48:12 Speaker_02
I think in this case, you know, they were talking about the Sixers as a possible 60-win team and a two-seed and all that stuff.
00:48:19 Speaker_00
I was thinking about the conversation you had with Waz and Vannon last week. I think it was. Yeah. I think sometimes basketball moves on before NBA fans are ready for it to happen.
00:48:32 Speaker_00
And I think that the sad truth here is that it just might, this might not happen for this team or for at least for Embiid's version of this team. And you just look around and I feel this way often once the NBA finals comes around.
00:48:46 Speaker_00
I'll watch after the Sixers have been eliminated in the second round or the first round and I'll be like, this is a different sport. Like, the Sixers are not close to this.
00:48:56 Speaker_00
And now that he is very clearly on the downside of his career, and in kind of like a physical decline, it's really hard to like, look around and watch the way some of these other teams are playing and moving.
00:49:09 Speaker_00
and be like, oh yeah, I feel like this is a month-long break away from the Sixers. It's not. It's not. It's like, this is probably not gonna happen for this guy, and that's really sad.
00:49:20 Speaker_02
Well, there was one play yesterday when Jaron Jackson fell down with his legs out, and Embiid was dribbling toward him, and I was just like, this is gonna be, you talked about the car crash at the beginning.
00:49:29 Speaker_02
I was like, oh my God, this is gonna be, something horrible is about to happen, and Embiid, of course, tripped over him, but he got up.
00:49:36 Speaker_02
But that's another piece of watching these games, where there's three times a game where you feel like something horrible happened to him, or maybe that was it. you know, it just feels like he's carrying the weight on his world.
00:49:47 Speaker_02
It's both not that fun to watch and incredibly riveting to watch with the expectations that this team had. Sierra, what December movie are you the most excited about that you've either seen or you want to see?
00:49:59 Speaker_00
The December movie I'm probably most excited to see is honestly the Bob Dylan movie, complete unknown. I just, I just, I can't wait to see what the hell they do with this. But yeah, I'm mostly caught up at this point.
00:50:10 Speaker_00
Gladiator 2 was the one I was looking forward to the most. Gladiator 2, Denzel is having quite the press tour.
00:50:19 Speaker_02
He's loving life. 15 years, he was drinking two bottles of wine a day, and oh, I might have tried heroin.
00:50:26 Speaker_00
Somebody's gotta get Denzel his own player pod.
00:50:30 Speaker_03
CR, am I gonna like Gladiator 2?
00:50:32 Speaker_00
You'll like it. Okay, good. I do not think it matches the first one. Fine, fine. I can live with that.
00:50:53 Speaker_02
playing a seemingly evil rich oil guy married to Demi Moore, even though I think she's probably like eight years older than him, whatever.
00:51:00 Speaker_00
She also has had one line in two episodes so far, even though she's in a bunch of scenes.
00:51:05 Speaker_02
I think the line was, are you paying me in cash? Billy Bob Thornton's daughter, for some reason, is I comfortable with her body.
00:51:17 Speaker_02
I think it's comfortable talking to Billy Bob Thornton about sex in ways that I promise you fathers and daughters don't discuss. Um, there's that.
00:51:28 Speaker_02
And then, uh, our guy, who's our guy who spoiler lock got blown up at the end of the first episode, Michael Pena, Michael Pena, who they did the red herring of here's a name actor. He's going to be part of the cast.
00:51:42 Speaker_02
But then if you looked in the credits, it was like, what was that other show where they killed Kyle Chandler in the first episode?
00:51:50 Speaker_02
This is, CR, if we ever create one of these shows, we're just killing off somebody famous in the first episode, because that's what you do. But I liked it. We enter a world and Billy Bob Thornton's just Chef Billy Bob.
00:52:02 Speaker_00
Yeah, it's basically how, if I have to pitch it, it's Billy Bob Thornton driving around West Texas from crisis to crisis. He's basically like the Michael Clayton of this oil company.
00:52:14 Speaker_00
And every time something goes wrong, he's got to call Jon Hamm, who's somewhere where he's like, hold on, I gotta, I gotta get some quiet. I'm at a polo match. Yeah. And he's like, I'm at a TCU track meet or a polo match. Yeah.
00:52:25 Speaker_00
And they have an awesome conversation. Where he's just like, I'm your fucking boss, don't yell at me. And he's like, all right, well, we got to stop this leak. And then it's great.
00:52:34 Speaker_02
It's a lot of Jon Hamm on his cell phone. It looks like there's a couple of people who look like they all filmed their scenes in one day, possibly. Jon Hamm's a candidate. Well, Allie Larder. So Allie Larder, Varsity Blues, Whipped Cream Sunday fame.
00:52:49 Speaker_02
And then Heroes fame and everybody loves her and she just kind of comes and goes every seven years So now she's in and all of her scenes are on FaceTime and I don't know Does she not have legs anymore CR? What's going on here?
00:53:01 Speaker_00
It's unbelievable because it's like did she get paid like a million dollars to stand in a pool and be on FaceTime? Or is it, does she have like an incredible character arc coming? And this is just the setup for the character.
00:53:14 Speaker_02
But she has been in- Or she couldn't do the first two episodes because she had a pre-planned filming vacation.
00:53:17 Speaker_00
She's been in Cabo for the first two episodes.
00:53:18 Speaker_02
Yeah.
00:53:19 Speaker_00
Yeah.
00:53:19 Speaker_02
It's like, can you do, can you do your scenes on FaceTime? She's like, I can. Taylor shared and breaks all the rules. That's why he makes the big bucks. Do actors have to be in the same location when they shoot scenes? No, apparently not.
00:53:33 Speaker_02
Um, but what's the point of this show, CR?
00:53:35 Speaker_00
I think it's just supposed to be, you know, like about the, uh, the sort of cynical world of oil production where, I mean, you want to know what the point of, like, why would anybody like this or you want to be?
00:53:47 Speaker_02
No, I think ultimately, like when we leave season one, What's Taylor Sheridan trying to tell us, or is he just like, oil, actors, things blowing up, it's gonna be Yellowstone with oil.
00:53:58 Speaker_00
I think he's trying to tell us about, like, what happens to characters when they dedicate their life to something that is very morally complicated. So, like, in the same way Yellowstone is about, like,
00:54:09 Speaker_00
everything it costs to keep a ranch like that going. This is about, like, hey, like, without this stuff, the world stops running the way we want it to. But what we have to do to get it out of the ground and everything is, like, pretty complicated.
00:54:24 Speaker_02
Obviously not enough of an important theme to get House to watch an episode, I'll tell you that much.
00:54:29 Speaker_03
Where is it? It's on Paramount Plus. I have to pay for that.
00:54:34 Speaker_02
If it was Taylor Sheridan's massage parlor, House would have already seen the first episode. The massage parlor industry.
00:54:42 Speaker_03
I'm watching sports. I'm here for the show.
00:54:44 Speaker_02
Yeah, that's true. It is football basketball season. I'm really happy for Ollie Larder. I'm happy for Billy Bob Thornton, who seems to have more hair every time we see him. He was completely bald 30 years ago.
00:54:56 Speaker_02
Now it's like a Michael Landon type of thing on the top.
00:54:59 Speaker_00
How's he drinks Michelob Ultra the entire show?
00:55:02 Speaker_02
Yeah.
00:55:03 Speaker_03
I love it. The balls. That's fantastic.
00:55:06 Speaker_02
He has a scene where he, his hand got fucked up. So he went to the doctor and he didn't have time to wait for surgery. And the guy's like, we got to get a hand specialist in and Billy Bob's like, I'll just cut the pinky off.
00:55:17 Speaker_02
Let's save the time and just cut carves his pinky off. Cause he's a tough motherfucker. What's his name on this show? Billy Bob, for instance. His name is Tommy Norris. Tommy Norris is a tough motherfucker.
00:55:30 Speaker_05
Yeah.
00:55:30 Speaker_02
I really had a good time. I loved it. My wife fell asleep like seven different times. It was great. It was a perfect experience.
00:55:37 Speaker_00
You didn't wake her up for the daughter scenes to be like, get a fucking load of this?
00:55:41 Speaker_03
I have a question I want to ask, but I can't ask it on the pod, so I'll wait.
00:55:45 Speaker_02
You want to ask it during the break?
00:55:47 Speaker_03
During the break, yeah, whenever we're together, I have a question.
00:55:51 Speaker_02
All right, CR, I'll see you tomorrow because we're taping a Rewatchables and it's a movie from the 1980s and that's all I'm going to say, but we're both very excited about it. Been circling for a while. Thanks, CR.
00:56:02 Speaker_03
See you, Chris Ryan.
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It tapes the challenge. Just puts it in my library because I always forget, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's a challenge, and I just zoom through. It's great. It also allows you to thank yourself this holiday season.
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00:59:38 Speaker_03
Classic NFC North divisional rivalry.
00:59:42 Speaker_02
Lions Colts. I want to see Richard saying it's a home game for the Colts. The Lions are a really fun multi-view team because their offense is good. That's on there. And then I think we throw both of our favorite teams in here.
00:59:54 Speaker_02
New England at Miami and then Washington hosting Dallas. Hopefully we'll get two wins. We should parlay those together.
01:00:01 Speaker_03
Oh, I like that, yes.
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01:00:42 Speaker_02
We really liked the Colts and the Jets and somehow did the wrong bet. We did a bet with the Colts plus three and a half with Richardson's rushing and then he had the ball a ton rushing and somehow didn't hit the 38 and a half.
01:00:53 Speaker_02
And then we had the Chiefs in a tease, Chiefs up to plus eight. and Chiefs plus three and a half from the other tees and that game was a one score game and they didn't win. I have no regrets about putting the Chiefs in the tees.
01:01:05 Speaker_02
I do regret listing you on the Browns. That was a mistake. That was a mistake. We don't want to talk about it. We're moving on. So week 12, there's three games I like and a parlay I like. Which one do you want to hit first, the parlay or the three games?
01:01:20 Speaker_03
Let's save the parlay for last. Parlay is like dessert, right? It's like the nice sundae at the end, because we're taking all these nice parts and putting them together.
01:01:29 Speaker_02
All right, so Schrager and I in part one of the podcast talked about this Packers-Niners game. Packers are minus one and a half at home. They almost beat the Niners last year in the playoffs and really could have.
01:01:41 Speaker_02
They've been a team that we all kind of like from a talent standpoint that has not really totally put it together again. But what we have always seen perennially with the NFL Right around Thanksgiving time, somebody starts making a jump.
01:01:55 Speaker_02
And some people would think that's going to be the Niners. And I just don't see it. I think it's been a year from hell. I didn't like the way McCaffrey looked last week at all. Kittles banged up. Their defense isn't the same.
01:02:08 Speaker_02
And from a narrative standpoint, House, I could see this being a game where the Packers take care of business.
01:02:14 Speaker_02
We officially realize it's not the Niners year, and we start thinking about this Packers team as a possible, all right, maybe they'll give the Lions a good game in the playoffs game. What don't you like about that narrative theory?
01:02:27 Speaker_03
that the Packers don't look like a team to me that can take care of business. They are messing around, playing around, effing around with their food every week. And I think it is because Jordan love is not a hundred percent healthy.
01:02:45 Speaker_03
We haven't had that real Jordan love breakout game that became the hallmark of that Packers team. The second half of last season that also coincided with Aaron Jones ripping off a bunch of honey yard.
01:02:59 Speaker_03
So they don't have, they had the back, it is Jacobs. But, you know, we haven't seen sort of that two-headed monster. They get vertical with Jordan Love because he's got all the time to get to those receivers. The receivers, the core is still great.
01:03:13 Speaker_03
The receiving core is still great. And Jacobs will get his yards sometimes in certain circumstances, but we haven't really seen the full rev of that.
01:03:22 Speaker_02
Can I give you the game where we did see it? Because it was a while ago.
01:03:26 Speaker_03
Let's hear it.
01:03:27 Speaker_02
Week six, Arizona. Love threw four TDs, they beat Arizona 34 to 13. We chalked it up to like, ah, wow, it's Arizona. Arizona's been really good since that game. And now I look back to that week six and I think, ah, that was a pretty good win.
01:03:44 Speaker_02
Because then after that, they play Houston, they win by two. They play at Jacksonville, they win by three. Kind of a stupid game. They play home against Detroit, They lose by 10, but Detroit's the best team in the league.
01:04:01 Speaker_03
Much worse than that.
01:04:03 Speaker_02
And then they play last week against Chicago, and it was a play with your food game against a team that had a new offensive coordinator, and I thought the Bears played really well in that game. But they did get it done at the end.
01:04:15 Speaker_02
So I guess my theory is they're a little undervalued. I think San Francisco is still a little overvalued because I think people keep waiting for the real San Francisco to show up and I'm not sure it's there. And maybe this is the week.
01:04:27 Speaker_02
I think they should be favored by two and a half or three. So I feel like I'm getting like a free point or point and a half.
01:04:32 Speaker_03
So the crazy thing is the line was two and a half earlier this week, but I think that was a hedge because the reports of, of Purdy, Purdy was doing limited practice and he's got a sore shoulder and there was a, you know, some speculation about whether or not he was going to play in this game.
01:04:48 Speaker_03
The fact that it's moved down to one and a half seems like some money's come in on the Niners that, that suggests that Purdy is going to, going to play. And, and if that's the case. Injured George Kittle put who said he's going to try to play. Yeah.
01:05:04 Speaker_02
Well, that makes me nervous.
01:05:05 Speaker_03
What do we know? What do we think about Bosa? Juwan Jennings, Bosa, a little compromised. Bosa, I mean, it seems like it might be game time decision whether he plays or not.
01:05:16 Speaker_02
And then in Lambeau against a team that feels like they should have beaten him last year and has something to prove. I like the spot for the Packers. I'm in on this bet.
01:05:23 Speaker_03
I'm going to let you do it.
01:05:25 Speaker_02
We're not going to have a disagreement, but you're still like a little afraid of diners.
01:05:31 Speaker_03
Yeah, because they have all that talent. We haven't seen McCaffrey yet.
01:05:35 Speaker_02
And that, but that's my point is I don't think McCaffrey is healthy. He may not be. So it's like you saying, like, I don't, we haven't seen him beat yet. It's like, I don't know if we're seeing him beat for a while.
01:05:45 Speaker_02
Like, I don't think to me, McCaffrey doesn't look like McCaffrey yet.
01:05:49 Speaker_03
I think that's kind of fair. Uh, I'm, I'm worried about seeing him this week.
01:05:55 Speaker_02
Packers minus one half, I'm marking that down. Cardinals, Seahawks. Cardinals are getting one and a half in Seattle. There's some weather stuff maybe with this game that makes me a little nervous with Kyler Murray and bad weather.
01:06:09 Speaker_02
In general, the Seahawks going from seeming like their season was over last week, they get the huge drive from Geno against the Niners, which was another bad sign with the Niners that they gave up that long Geno drive.
01:06:22 Speaker_02
And now they're playing the Cardinals at home this week, and they have a chance to really reinsert themselves in this race. We have Seattle, Betts from before this season.
01:06:29 Speaker_02
I think I might even have them win the NFC West, which could be still live if they win this game. I'm a Cardinals believer. I think they're good. They really won me over the last few weeks.
01:06:39 Speaker_02
And the thing I like about this house is you have Seattle's defense, 27th against the run, and Arizona with this physical pounding running game they have with James Connor. I just feel like they can run the ball, run the ball, run the ball.
01:06:53 Speaker_02
And even if you're gonna like Seattle in this game, then maybe it's an Arizona first bet Seattle for the game, like plus 800 type thing. But I think Arizona can beat them.
01:07:02 Speaker_02
I think this is another narrative game to me where we come at them and go, Arizona, I think they're for real. At the same time, Seattle's ability to throw the ball and run the ball and come from behind, which they did last week, scares me a little.
01:07:15 Speaker_02
So where do you stand?
01:07:17 Speaker_03
Um, it's a 50 50 game. We talked about this on, on East coast bias. Uh, Raheem Palmer and I went, we're heads up. I preferred, uh, Arizona and the dream is on Seattle. My issue with Seattle is that is the least trustworthy offensive line in football.
01:07:34 Speaker_03
Each of the times that I've tried to come up with a basis for Seattle, you know, taking advantage of somebody it's, it's born out of the idea that they can establish the run and they, Sometimes can, and sometimes can't, and most of the time can't.
01:07:51 Speaker_03
Part of the reason to prefer Seattle would be the return of DK Metcalf. And really, I mean, Smith and Jigba's been incredible. Uh, both from a fantasy perspective, but most importantly from a chemistry perspective with Gino.
01:08:09 Speaker_03
So the question for Arizona is can they put pressure on Gino because the splits are crazy with, with Gino when he has time. And that really was the thing that Seattle was able to take advantage of down the stretch against the Niners.
01:08:21 Speaker_03
Um, no Bosa and Gino, you know, got really comfortable with the lanes he could run in and the lanes he could see to throw the ball in. Um, I don't really have a strong feel. I express a preference for Arizona, but I certainly could see Seattle.
01:08:38 Speaker_03
Dream said that in his model, these teams are dead even. So, it really does feel like a 50-50 game.
01:08:46 Speaker_02
I just want to point out Seattle's last five of their last seven.
01:08:48 Speaker_03
Sure, sure.
01:08:49 Speaker_02
They came within one San Francisco stop, but that being six of seven.
01:08:53 Speaker_03
Yep.
01:08:54 Speaker_02
I'm happy to be wrong on this, and if so, lose some money, but I like this Arizona team.
01:09:02 Speaker_02
I think they know who they are, and I think they can run the ball, and I think they'll be able to pressure Geno and make a couple mistakes, and I just think they're better.
01:09:09 Speaker_03
It's just a defense for Arizona, that's all. They've been on the right side of variants, a bunch of games that they've won by one or two points.
01:09:17 Speaker_02
21st pass defense, and Seattle is second with the pass. And as you mentioned, Smith Najigbo has been a revelation the last few weeks. He was awesome in that last game. Like they were going over and over again. I'm gonna mark the Cardinals down.
01:09:30 Speaker_03
That's fine.
01:09:32 Speaker_02
Ravens chargers. My first instinct was I really like the chargers. And the more I stared at it, and the more I stared at it, I keep coming back to this question. Are the Ravens really going to go seven and five?
01:09:45 Speaker_02
That's going to be their record after, after week 12, there'd be seven and five.
01:09:50 Speaker_03
I don't want to do this because we had a conversation that very beginning of the season, we were looking at teams after week one and said, here's the list of teams.
01:10:01 Speaker_03
You know, we were looking for some, some, there were some giant lines out there and we're like, Are the Ravens really going to go Owen too? Are the Ravens going to lose to the Raiders? Yeah, the mother. They did it. They did it. Sons of bitches.
01:10:14 Speaker_03
So I don't want that to be the rationale.
01:10:16 Speaker_02
Well, can I give you this? They have four losses. They lost the Kansas City on the Isaiah likely stepped on six inches of the line game. They blew that Vegas game with our up 10 in the fourth quarter. And that's the weirdest result of the year.
01:10:29 Speaker_02
I would put it against any other game. They dropped the game winning interception in Cleveland. The fucking guy dropped it. And Jameis ends up going down and getting it, but he just threw them an interception. They didn't catch it.
01:10:43 Speaker_02
And the Pittsburgh game was stupid. I mean, I loved it, because I had Pittsburgh, but missed multiple field goals. Like, it was just one of those games.
01:10:51 Speaker_03
It's what happens. That's what happens in those games.
01:10:54 Speaker_02
And then I look at the Chargers, who I think are a really good team. For, you know, as a home team, I get it. I had them last week, but I feel like the, the, the Ravens can just run on them and move the ball.
01:11:09 Speaker_02
And you think about how easily burrow was able to just move the ball in the second half against the chargers. Why wouldn't Baltimore be able to do that?
01:11:15 Speaker_03
That's the thing to me. So I don't think the charges are really good team. I think they are really, really good surprise team. they're exactly perfect, perfect way to put it because it is incredible.
01:11:28 Speaker_03
They tried their God damn this to charger the F out of that game, but, but hard ball. And then whatever's going on inside the locker room with those guys, they just did enough to not charger the outcome of that game.
01:11:42 Speaker_03
But I thought that what we saw in the second half when Cincinnati, I mean, it really was a game where like whoever has the ball at the end of this game is going to win this epic game.
01:11:51 Speaker_03
Um, and they could not under any circumstances, slow down that Cincinnati offense, slow down Joe burrow. And I really think that, uh, which one's the younger, who, which is, is G I thought Jim was older. Jim's older, I think.
01:12:10 Speaker_03
And Jim is the charger coach, right?
01:12:13 Speaker_02
Yeah. Oh my God, House. Really?
01:12:17 Speaker_03
No, I think John's older. That's why you're confusing me. I'm pretty sure John's older.
01:12:21 Speaker_02
I'm confusing you. You thought Jim Harbaugh was maybe not the Chargers coach. John Harbaugh, older brother. I think it's John. John Harbaugh is older. Good call.
01:12:34 Speaker_03
There we go. He tried to make fun of me because I don't know which one is which. Big brother, little brother. I like it. It's a rematch of the Super Bowl. Big brother had his way.
01:12:42 Speaker_02
So you're saying if you coach against either of your black sheep brothers, it's a guaranteed win? Just back house with any money line?
01:12:52 Speaker_03
Not only that, but I would be looking for an opportunity to put my nuts on their forehead. Absolutely.
01:13:00 Speaker_02
We might have to have both of the house brothers on at some point, just so people know they exist.
01:13:05 Speaker_03
I can assure you they're available.
01:13:07 Speaker_02
Wait, would Dick House ever come on or would we have to put him on a seven second delay?
01:13:11 Speaker_03
Definitely with delay. Yes, yes, for sure. Well, Baltimore, I love the Ravens. I mean, you know, we can cut to the chase.
01:13:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, because they have the 32nd pass defense, but what we saw from the chargers last week, their receivers, they're okay.
01:13:29 Speaker_02
They're really getting, they're eking out the most they can get out of it, but there's still some moments where like, oh yeah, that's right. You're Josh Palmer.
01:13:36 Speaker_03
And, and, oh yeah, that's right. You're Justin Herbert. Remember? Like for a quarter and a half. Like, yeah, right. I, we know who you are, buddy. We know all, you've got the great, I don't want to make the nerds mad now.
01:13:50 Speaker_02
Don't make the nerds mad.
01:13:51 Speaker_03
I actually like him. I think he's like terrific. And, and all the reports, like he's a golf guy. Like I'm into Justin Herbert.
01:13:57 Speaker_02
I like that shot they had before the game of him, Harbaugh pounding his pads and just yelling at him. And he was just kind of like, I like the Herbert.
01:14:05 Speaker_03
But he'll disappear for a quarter in a heartbeat, let there be no doubt.
01:14:09 Speaker_02
I just can't get past the Ravens going seven and five, seems crazy to me. And I think they're gonna be able to move the ball up and down. The Chargers, Mack didn't play last week.
01:14:16 Speaker_02
The Chargers defense doesn't seem as crazy good as it was five, six weeks ago to me.
01:14:21 Speaker_03
I agree.
01:14:23 Speaker_02
All right, that's our third one. And then I really wanna work the Broncos into something. The Broncos are, that line is now up to six and a half in Vegas.
01:14:33 Speaker_03
No way. No, can't do that. That's way too many points.
01:14:36 Speaker_02
Well, we're going to put them in a parlay.
01:14:38 Speaker_03
Thank God. That's a relief.
01:14:40 Speaker_02
Vegas is offense. This is really something. So Amir Abdullah was trending as a roster trend and fantasy leagues this week because he has a chance to be the running. And I was like, Amir Abdullah feels like he's been around. He's 31.
01:14:55 Speaker_02
I would have thought, I would have guessed like 25. So he's like almost Zeke Elliott's age. Um, he's going to be the running back, their quarterback situations, the debacle, they have no receivers.
01:15:04 Speaker_02
It's just Brock Bowers over and over again, which I'm pretty sure Sean Payton is aware of Brock Bowers. I don't know how the Raiders, Denver's defense, it's first yards per play, second sacks, third hits that Vegas can't block.
01:15:19 Speaker_02
Uh, I get that it's in Vegas, but, and, and, and you also have Denver coming off a big win last week, but, um, I just don't see how I think Vegas might be done.
01:15:29 Speaker_02
They might be a short for the rest of the year until we get to some sort of weird Christmas situation. So Broncos with the chiefs in Carolina, they're favored by 10 and a half. Okay. Chiefs coming off a loss.
01:15:41 Speaker_03
Yep.
01:15:42 Speaker_02
Carolina's defense 32nd against the run and 31st on first downs. Just feels like the chiefs have moved the ball and do chief stuff. So chiefs down to minus two and a half Broncos money line.
01:15:54 Speaker_02
And then your team, the Washington commanders, AKA the C words favored by 10 and a half against the Cowboys. Can we, can we just have them win by three? Can we have Casey win by three? Washington wins by three and the Broncos win.
01:16:10 Speaker_02
That is plus one Oh three on Fando. And I would like to do it.
01:16:14 Speaker_03
I love it. That's a, that's a dessert parlay. Three nice ingredients pulled together to make beautiful harmony in our, in our mall, in our mouths. If it was a son, what are you doing for your, for your dessert?
01:16:28 Speaker_03
Are you a pumpkin pie guy for Thanksgiving dessert?
01:16:31 Speaker_02
What are you putting in your mouth for that? I love pumpkin pie, but I also really love pecan pie. Oh, great. And what I like to do is, is get a slice of each and then eat both and even mix the bites.
01:16:42 Speaker_03
Let me, let me recommend that you add one more because this is, Oh, have you had sweet potato pie?
01:16:48 Speaker_02
Oh, sweet potato pies. Great.
01:16:50 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:16:50 Speaker_02
I would, I would totally add that. So you grown a menage pie.
01:16:55 Speaker_03
Yeah. Forget it, man. We can do this in, in, in proper Thanksgiving style. I want to give out my, all of my thanks to those sweet potato pie, pumpkin pie and pecan pie, pecan pie all together. I want to F bomb that one.
01:17:12 Speaker_02
Call that one. The Joe house is asleep on the couch pie. Cause that's what would happen about 14 minutes after.
01:17:18 Speaker_03
That's a full pie parlay. That's what that is. We're getting the pies ready. Everybody's getting the ingredients. Everybody's, you know, going to the store this weekend to pull it together.
01:17:26 Speaker_03
We'll be going to the store this weekend with all the extra money in our pockets from that delicious pie parlay, baby.
01:17:32 Speaker_02
Yeah, that's how, we'll make that the pie parley. I was thinking, I watch The Sopranos every night before I go to bed, because my wife's asleep.
01:17:40 Speaker_02
And so I finished season four, five, six, seven, and then I was like, you know what, I'm gonna stay with these guys. I circled back, started with one, so Pine Barrens was on last night.
01:17:50 Speaker_03
Oh my God.
01:17:51 Speaker_02
Which, you know, is the legendary Sopranos episode.
01:17:54 Speaker_03
You can't really go to bed after you watch that.
01:17:55 Speaker_02
No, I was so fired up. It takes hours. And I was like, oh, I'll watch 20 minutes. I ended up watching the whole thing. But they're in the car and Chris finds the ketchup packets.
01:18:06 Speaker_02
And he gives them the ketchup packets and there's relish, and Polly Walnuts. He's the funniest character of all time. I think he's funnier than any comedy guy. And he's eating the ketchup and he's like, mix it with the relish.
01:18:18 Speaker_02
Mix it with the relish, with the ketchup packets and the relish packets. And that's what made me think of the pumpkin pie, sweet potato pie, pecan pie, is the Polly Walnuts, mix it with the relish, dessert extravaganza.
01:18:31 Speaker_03
Mix it, mix it with the relish, Chrissy. It's outrageous. I'm gonna lose my foot. Before we go, before we move on, you don't have any interest in this Philadelphia LA Rams game?
01:18:43 Speaker_03
I, cause folks are, you know, I see, I've seen some, some arguments on both sides that people are really arguing, you know, be careful. It's a be careful situation. And, you know, especially Jalen hurts these nuts.
01:18:56 Speaker_03
You, you know, you want to, you don't want to be in a situation.
01:18:59 Speaker_02
He doesn't look comfortable to me. I had it marked down as a stay away because I thought the Pats absolutely could have beaten the Rams last week and they did some of the dumbest shit. We blitzed Stafford the whole game.
01:19:12 Speaker_02
There were stats afterwards after Sal and I did the pod that they single covered Kup and Nakua basically all game, which guess how that turned out, terribly. Mayo just couldn't have been less aggressive in the worst possible situations.
01:19:28 Speaker_02
And yet, the Pats had the ball with a chance to win the game. I just didn't think the Rams looked that good.
01:19:33 Speaker_03
I'm with you. But I don't trust the Eagles. Well, that's it. Especially, you know, the... Uh, Jalen hurts. These nuts is not been as accurate. He is running great.
01:19:44 Speaker_03
His, his legs look, look great, but here's the test and why I understand why people are advocating in favor of the Rams, their home, their home dogs. First of all, they're plus two and a half.
01:19:55 Speaker_03
And the Eagles secondary deserves the plaudits that's receiving from the draft or those two rookies. They've been playing very well. But this is an entirely different class of offense if this offense really gets going that the Eagles are up against.
01:20:11 Speaker_03
So I just wanted to make sure we talked through it didn't have a conviction on it.
01:20:14 Speaker_02
So the case is. They kind of went straight forward last week, because they knew they had the Pats game, knowing this Eagles game was coming. McVay against Fangio. This is a kitchen sink game. That's one of the reasons I like the Ravens.
01:20:28 Speaker_02
I think the Ravens, it's a kitchen sink game. Because you're seven and five, you're out of the AFC North. Now you might be like a six seed. You know, and you kind of need to, you need the game. And the, uh.
01:20:43 Speaker_03
Yeah, because the six seed is going to get either Buffalo or the Chiefs in the first round.
01:20:47 Speaker_02
Yeah, you want no part of that. Epic playoffs, Lord have mercy. So, and the Rams need every game because they're in a dogfight with all those NFC West teams. Can't lose any more games.
01:20:54 Speaker_02
So I do wonder if like, that's why it's a stay away though, because I can talk myself into each side. There was one other game I really liked, you're going to make fun of me. The Pats are plus three, 10 in Miami.
01:21:09 Speaker_03
I'm not making fun of you. I think it's funny. I think that that line's crazy. Uh, I understand it, but man, I'm not betting against Drake may give me, let me have Drake may in a touchdown. That's fine. Is it seven and a half?
01:21:24 Speaker_02
Yeah. So I was wondering, is there, is there, I mean, they're, they're so stupidly coached that I almost feel like you should take the money line and just wait, which team, but well, both teams.
01:21:36 Speaker_02
But there's like, you can get May for 200 plus yards, the Pats to win the game, and Drake May, two passing touchdowns is 6-1.
01:21:53 Speaker_02
Drake May, one passing TD, 200 yards passing, Pats win the game is plus 411, which doesn't really buy you that much value from the plus 310. I just didn't know if there was some sort of Drake May with the Pats bet that we wanted to think about.
01:22:08 Speaker_03
I'll let you think about it. I know that I'll just play the side on the Pats. I'm not laying those points with the Dolphins. It's crazy.
01:22:16 Speaker_02
You're not laying the 7. Do you like the 7 with the Pats? Or do you like the plus 310 fuck it bet?
01:22:22 Speaker_03
No, no, I prefer the points.
01:22:25 Speaker_02
The plus 7?
01:22:26 Speaker_03
Yeah, I prefer the plus 7. Alright.
01:22:29 Speaker_02
All right, Sam, Million Dollar Picks, week 12, heading into Thanksgiving, house's favorite day of the year. Is there anything even close to Thanksgiving for you?
01:22:37 Speaker_03
No, nothing rivals it.
01:22:39 Speaker_02
I think you, I have a lot of people in my life who love Thanksgiving, including me, including nephew Kyle. You're number one, you love it the most.
01:22:48 Speaker_02
I've seen you be worried that you might have to be driven to the hospital because you ate too much, you passed out multiple times, you drink too much, you eat too much. If you die from overeating and over drinking, it will be on Thanksgiving.
01:23:02 Speaker_03
Everybody will understand. It's insane. House died. Was it Thanksgiving? It was.
01:23:09 Speaker_02
Million dollar picks, week 12. We lost $355,000 last week. And it was really because of the Chiefs, because they didn't cover a couple of teases. I'm fine with it.
01:23:18 Speaker_02
Did you say it was the fifth time in 124 games that the Chiefs have lost by more than eight points? It's fine. We were on the wrong side of a historic event. We were still up $413,000 for the season house.
01:23:31 Speaker_02
And we're going to put 200 K on the following bets. The Baltimore Ravens minus three on the road against the LA chargers. Are the Ravens going to go seven and five? I don't think so. Can they throw all over the place of the chargers? I do think so.
01:23:49 Speaker_02
Is there a big brother getting revenge on his little brother house? You're a big brother.
01:23:53 Speaker_03
I mean, it's not even getting revenge, it's just taking advantage of what's rightfully yours.
01:23:59 Speaker_02
Right, you were first.
01:24:00 Speaker_03
With your little brother, so exactly right.
01:24:01 Speaker_02
Yeah, you were first and that's it. Chargers, great win last week. Some holes, some things that we saw we didn't love. I just think the Ravens, But they're not going seven and five, it's too ridiculous.
01:24:16 Speaker_02
They've already had four dumb losses, they're not gonna have five. Ravens minus three, that's our first one. Cardinals, plus one and a half in Seattle.
01:24:24 Speaker_02
Seattle, a great, somewhat lucky win against a banged up Niners team that last week to save their season. I think the Cardinals run the ball all over the Seahawks. I like their defense.
01:24:37 Speaker_02
I think they lose that game in week six to the Packers, and since then, I like the way they look. I think they're gonna win the division. We're both in.
01:24:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, Cardinals coming off the bye week, and if you look at the last 10 games of the Seahawks at home, their against the spread numbers are not very good at home. The 12th man might need to step it up a little bit.
01:24:56 Speaker_02
12th man in trouble. Maybe roommates with Joel Embiid. Packers at home, minus one and a half against the Niners. Almost beat them last year in the playoffs. Couldn't do it. Catching a Niners team at a really nice time.
01:25:11 Speaker_02
I think this is a shell of the Niners team we think it is.
01:25:17 Speaker_03
You're on your own on this one.
01:25:18 Speaker_02
You're on your own with this one. I like the Niners. You're not against it, but you're letting me do a guitar solo.
01:25:23 Speaker_03
That's it.
01:25:24 Speaker_02
I believe in the talent on this Packers team. They killed Arizona in week six. I think they're due for another really good game. Fans are gonna be fired up. Atmosphere's gonna be great. Weather won't be awesome. I like the spot.
01:25:37 Speaker_02
Packers minus one and a half. So we're putting 200K on all three of those. And then we have a little parlay for you. Bringing the Chiefs in Carolina down to minus two and a half.
01:25:45 Speaker_02
Bring in your Washington C words against the carcass of Dallas Cowboys down to two and a half at home. and then the Denver Broncos, a team that did us really nicely last week, that we've won some money on this year, that we really appreciate.
01:26:00 Speaker_02
Go Knicks, making a run at offensive player of the year with your guy, Jaden Daniels. We are gonna take the Broncos Moneyline in Vegas against a terrible Vegas team.
01:26:12 Speaker_02
You put those three together, Broncos Moneyline, Chiefs minus two and a half, Washington minus two and a half, plus 103. 200K on that?
01:26:19 Speaker_03
200K on that, yes sir.
01:26:23 Speaker_02
It is the pie parlay after all. And then last but not least, because it's Thanksgiving and House is feeling generous, he's allowing me to do a Drake May parlay, because I love Drake May. He's playing in Miami.
01:26:32 Speaker_03
This is a Drake May podcast, he doesn't need a player pod, this is it.
01:26:35 Speaker_02
Well, the line's too high. And this Pats team might be deficient in certain areas. They might be poorly coached. They might make dumb mistakes every week, but they almost beat the Rams last week. And I think it's worth a flyer.
01:26:51 Speaker_02
Pats plus seven and a half.
01:26:53 Speaker_03
Good, like the extra hook. That's a nice one.
01:26:56 Speaker_02
Drake made 200 plus passing yards. Drake made over 26.5 rushing yards. That's two scrambles.
01:27:04 Speaker_03
Roll them out. Maybe in the first half.
01:27:06 Speaker_02
Drake may one passing touchdown. Just one. Okay.
01:27:09 Speaker_03
Okay.
01:27:10 Speaker_02
Plus three 41. We are putting 50 K on that.
01:27:15 Speaker_03
50 K. Good number. That's right.
01:27:17 Speaker_02
Good enough. It's a little sprinkling.
01:27:19 Speaker_03
The Drake mays full facial.
01:27:21 Speaker_02
Well, it's the Drake May, almost like the pie parlay you talked about earlier. Pecan pie, sweet potato pie, pumpkin pie. That's Drake May 200 plus yards, over 26 and a half rushing yards, one plus passing touchdowns.
01:27:35 Speaker_02
Hop on the Drake May bandwagon right now. Those are the million dollar picks for week 12. House, happy weekend before Thanksgiving.
01:27:43 Speaker_02
Great to see you, and we'll see you on the Ringer Sunday pregame show on Sunday on YouTube TV and FanDuel TV before all of the action. Thanks for being on.
01:27:52 Speaker_03
Can't wait, thanks, buddy.
01:27:53 Speaker_02
All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Steve Cerutti and Kyle Creighton as always. Thanks to Joe House and Chris Ryan. Don't forget, Ringer Sunday pregame. That show is going on on YouTube TV and FanDuel TV on Sunday.
01:28:08 Speaker_02
Maybe I'll even pop on for a second, who knows? And don't forget about a new Rewatchables coming on Monday. It is a movie from the 1980s. I'll give you some hints over the weekend on the Rewatchables Twitter feed. Enjoy the weekend.
01:28:23 Speaker_02
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