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Episode: Lisa Kudrow

Author: Armchair Umbrella
Duration: 02:29:56

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Lisa Kudrow (No Good Deed, Friends, The Comeback) is an award-winning actor and producer. Lisa joins the Armchair Expert to discuss her background as a pre-med biology student at Vassar, not being a people pleaser in the Groundlings, and how Jon Lovitz became her bridge to comedy. Lisa and Dax

talk about why Conan O’Brien is the best person to bring to a dinner party, listening to the internal voice that told her to be an actress, and how pan au chocolate and a walk in the sun can be a cure for rejection. Lisa explains how home is the people you’re with, the fallacy of the healing power of fame, and why she’ll never be tired of talking about Friends.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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In this episode of 'Armchair Expert', Dax Shepard interviews Lisa Kudrow, who reflects on her journey from a pre-med student at Vassar to a celebrated comedian and actress known for her iconic role in 'Friends'. She discusses the misconceptions about fame as a source of healing, her experiences with nicotine addiction, the dynamics of improvisational comedy, and the complexities of aging and self-acceptance in the public eye. Kudrow emphasizes the importance of personal growth, meaningful connections, and finding joy in simple pleasures, underscoring the intricate nature of her life and career.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert.

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I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by miniature mouse.

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By Monica Geller.

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How's the song go? Did I have it? Not really.

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You can't trick me in this thing.

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It's not really right, but it's close.

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It's close. Yeah. Our first friend.

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What's the chorus? Just give me the words. I'll be there for you.

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Thank you.

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I'll be there for you, even when times are tough.

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What's the second part? That was it. That was it. Oh my God, what's happening with you? Hearing the song come out of my mouth is very disruptive. Well, we're just- Disregulating. Okay, can we please? Friends!

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What if I thought at some point they screamed friends in the song?

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Our first friend is here, this is very important. Maybe that's why I'm getting upset.

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Yeah, you're getting nervous, because it's such an honor and you're afraid I'm going to anger our lovely guest, Lisa Kudrow. You can't, she's a ground-leaning improv genius. She knows how to party and get down and play.

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She sure does.

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She was awesome, I love Lisa Kudrow. Me too. Well, that's our guest, Lisa Kudrow. I said it seven times. She's an award-winning actor, a producer, friends, da, da, da, da, friends.

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The comeback, Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion, Web Therapy, I was on that. Who do you think you are? And okay, her new show, I say from the bottom of my heart, is delicious.

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I can't wait.

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You're gonna love it. I know. I told you, it's very Murders in the Building with the apartments.

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Oh, the Murders in the Building, I know, I'm so excited.

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Yes, it's really, really great. She's fantastic in it. Please enjoy.

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Guys, this is a huge deal.

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I know.

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I feel very grateful. We're seven years in and it's our first friend.

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It'll come up in the episode, but I, I want to say it now. We did almost have a friend, David Schwimmer.

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Yeah.

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I'm chewing gum.

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Oh, wow. Yeah, you should. Is it nicotine gum? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, I love nicotine. I'm on all kinds of variety other than smoking. What? I do the mints, the lozenges, and then I do a little spray. Do you know about the spray?

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I don't do it, but my husband does. Oh, he does. You get it here?

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It's fucking pricey. Because, yeah, they're European, right?

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Right. That's it.

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That's it right here. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's it. So exciting.

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I'm just so happy I'm not getting judged for still using nicotine.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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Because most people say, well, you got to get off that. Why? Yeah. Because they don't know.

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Yeah. They're just thinking of smoking, which, yes, you should get off smoking. And I chewed tobacco, which, of course, you should get off of that. But nicotine is fine.

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That's what my research has shown.

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We've had many doctors confirm that on here.

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Yeah. Oh, good.

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Right.

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That's not the problem. It was the delivery system. That's the problem. Tobacco is the best delivery system. The dosage was really perfect. How long did you partake in that delivery system? 20 years. Nice. Yeah. And then 20 years of this.

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I'm 20 years on this too.

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We both quit at the same time. I quit in 2005. Yeah, me too. I did the full body scan recently and I was just bracing. I'm like, you know, dude, you smoked pack a day when not drinking and several packs when drinking a day.

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That's a bad combination too. That's so bad.

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You can't get enough of them in your mouth when you're drunk.

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I know. Well, it's just two lung irritants and throat irritants.

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It's so bad. It's a real fuck you to that whole system.

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Yeah. By the way, this is why I'm no fun in a dinner party.

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Why?

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Because I get like, oh no, that's terrible. Two irritants. Did you read the study on

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I think that's part of your charm though.

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Oh yeah.

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No, it is. I watched a ton of interviews with you today. I think that's a very charming part of you. Now back to you and I trying to not perform anymore. Oh, right.

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My therapist would say to me, Hey, sometimes, and I'm only asking you to do it 10% of the time, sometimes watch the show. It's a good show. You don't always have to be the show, but I'm so controlling.

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Some of my performances out of my controlling nature is yours that way.

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I'm not sure, or I don't want to know. Maybe more to the point. Maybe I am. After Friends, I did two different shows that was basically just me. So I did have to think about, oh, what's wrong with you? Coming from the most quintessential ensemble.

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And to me, that has nothing to do with it.

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Right, right, right.

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Coincidence. By the way, maybe it does have nothing to do with it. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And maybe it does. Do I have to know?

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Wasn't the working title, though, of one of the shows, Now It's My Time to Shine?

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That was another show. That was a third show.

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That was a third show. Still in development. In development hell. But my controlling part is I get anxiety that if it's left to some non-professionals, that this thing's going to go in the ditch.

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It's like, if I get on an elevator with four strangers, I think, well, I'm the one with improv training. It's kind of on my shoulders to make this experience less awkward.

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Or is it also their expectations from this group of me? So to me, that is very actory or entertaining person who's trying to please or fulfill expectations. I know there's a part of me that just wants to play too.

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Yeah.

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So if I am in a gathering where there are funny people around and they're doing bits, I want to participate. I also want to see if I can keep up. Or I'm a little competitive and I think I can do better. I can beat this.

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I want to see if I can win at this game.

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And you still feel that way.

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Yeah, sometimes. And then there's plenty of times where I do feel like, go for it. Yeah. Especially if it's a bunch of stand-ups, stand-up comedians.

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That is a different vibe, though, doesn't it?

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Yes.

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Because you and I are both from the ground wings.

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Yes.

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And we're both improv people and sketch people. I often feel, and this is too critical of stand-ups, but it's like, are we playing or am I hearing six minutes of your stand-up right now?

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Is this interactive or am I the recipient of pre-planned something?

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Right, and it can get mean if I overstep. I'm inviting some hostility, potentially, if I question or compete. Oh, sure.

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Yeah, but it's worse for you.

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Because you're a woman. A woman, that's true.

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Do you also think people, because of the TV show, they don't know what you can do? They think, oh, you can read a script in a funny way, but they don't know about your background?

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They don't know about the pedigree.

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Yeah, they don't.

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They probably don't. About my huge stand-up career before. No, and I did not have a stand-up career ever. But you were growling. Well, some people know. They don't care because it's not stand-up. By the way, have you noticed?

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To me, stand-up comedians are so much more serious than comedic actors. They want to analyze comedy and pick it apart and talk really seriously about what they do.

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Yes. I definitely think there's a strata of dysfunction that the result is comedy. And I think improv artists are like a seven on that scale.

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Right.

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And I think stand-ups are generally a 10. They got some fucking shit to work out and you're going to sit here and listen to it.

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Were you a groundling?

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No, I didn't make it. I was in a Sunday company for a year and was kicked out. And I just recently got over that wound. I mean, truly, maybe like six years ago.

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I was never a crowd pleaser. I don't even know how I got into the main company because I didn't do the kind of stuff audiences liked.

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So I think it would be helpful for people to know within the growlings when you're in the sunny company or the main company. You can be an inside favorite.

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There's always a couple people in the group that they're clearly the funniest by our definition, but that's not to say they kill the most. In fact, it's almost assured that you won't kill if you're the favorite among us.

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Whoever was the most offbeat and weirdest and most esoteric would make us laugh the night you'd put up all the sketches because it was refreshing and novel.

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I don't know if I fit that category either. Who were you there? What kind of things were you doing? I did your favorite actress on a talk show. It became a character I did in The Comeback, this HBO show. But I loved that character monologue.

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I loved doing those.

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What about improv?

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Yeah, but not game improv.

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I liked, I did this thing, Transformers, where it's sort of longer form and you do a scene and then it gets silent, whatever, I guess it's called miming to people listening who might not know, but whatever space work you're doing, it starts transforming as a group.

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You're all in sync and you turn it from baling hay to a rodeo lasso or something. Right, right, right. And then your new characters, they were really good improvisers in that. I was really happy. I was the only girl.

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Well, let's back all the way up. Mom was a real estate agent.

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When I was in high school. Yeah.

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Okay. And dad was a doctor and he specialized in headaches.

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Yes.

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What would that make him by training? Was it an internist? An internist. Yeah. I can only assume knowing that you ended up working with him for so long. Were you guys besties? Did you have a great relationship?

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Yeah, very close.

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And you have an older sister and two brothers?

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Just sister and a brother.

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Oh, I got that wrong. Okay, sister and brother. And you went to Vosser?

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Vosser?

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Is that how you say it? Vassar?

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You made it fancier. I mean, it is fancy, but you made it really fancy. Maybe back in the day, they would say they went to Vosser.

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Janine's going to Vosser in September, and we're thrilled about it. She absolutely aced her interview.

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I was thrilled to go to Vassar. I thought, yes, I'm going to be a lady. Only ladies go to Vassar. And I get there and I find out, oh, these were like the wild ones.

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Really? Really? What do you mean by that? Like the Kennedy type people who partied and had yachts and stuff?

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Very artistic and sort of rebellious and went their own way. You know, were not mainstream. It opened in 1861, which is the start of the Civil War.

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It was a women's college.

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I think the first to offer science for women to learn.

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That's too dangerous for women.

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Women should not be trusted with science.

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No, that's a terrible idea.

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So you already are going to have a lot of people who are sending their daughters there who are not in the mainstream.

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Was it all female when you went there? No. When did it switch to co-ed? Perfect year for that.

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So I think the first year of graduating class of men was like 72, three, four.

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Okay. And when you went there, you majored in biology. I presume you were going to be on a medical track?

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Yeah, it was pre-med.

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So had you done any acting in Encino?

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In junior high I did, because I liked going to summer school. I liked having something to do. And I took a play production thing and we wrote sketches and it was so fun and I could do it well.

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But why not stick with it in high school?

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No, that is not something that if you're going to be an adult, you do. I decided.

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Oh, right. It was too frivolous.

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Yeah.

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Okay. You also went to high school with EZE.

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Oh my. I did?

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You went to the same high school. What was it, Taft? What was it called?

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Yeah, how many years apart?

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No, it's at the same time. What? How could I be the one telling you this?

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Because I don't know.

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You don't know about yourself, do you? I don't know about myself. You're going to enjoy this.

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I also don't know who that is. You don't know who EZ is?

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This is so charming too.

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This is great.

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He's one of the members of NWA.

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Oh, wow.

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Yes. I'm disappointed you didn't know he went there because I was under the assumption he lived in Compton. The hit song was straight out of Compton. Yeah. But he's going to school with you out in Woodland Hills.

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Out in Woodland Hills, yeah. Maybe he got bused there or something?

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Maybe. I don't know. What's his name before it was Eazy-E? That might help us.

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I know.

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What if I go, oh.

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Yeah, exactly. I slept with him in 11th grade.

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By the way, Noah, I had three friends in high school.

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Who were they?

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Well, maybe four.

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You wear smarty pants? Like, what was your strata in that?

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Your first year in high school was sophomore year. And for five minutes, I thought, OK, I'm going to try to be a cheerleader. I'm going to try to be part of everything. The scene.

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So I went to all the rehearsals and I learned the thing for cheerleading squad. And then I didn't realize to try out that's in front of whoever shows up and wants to watch. And I just went, oh, no. Well, now, no. I do not want to be a cheerleader.

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And then you have to run and be elected and you have to campaign. I'm out. Not for me. No. Because you're shy? It was too embarrassing. Nothing good is going to come of that.

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You're very tall.

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I am very tall.

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I don't know.

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How tall are you? Like 5'8", 5'7 1⁄2". It's tall.

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It's not that tall. I take back my whole thing.

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I look gargantuan.

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No. I think sometimes it's rough being tall when you're a girl in high school and boys are like 5'4". They haven't grown and it can be hard.

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Or you're an actress and you're the only tall actor.

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You and I are built for each other to be in a scene together. I'll make you look like tiny little girl.

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I just worked with Ray Romano, and I didn't know he was that tall because of Brad Garrett, but he's like 6'2 or 6'3.

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This is a phenomenon. I've noticed it elsewhere, right? I remember the first time I met Andy Richter in real life, and I went, what? You're 6'3?

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But he's next to Conan. His whole career, yes. Oh my God.

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How tall do you think Andy Richter is? He and I are the same height.

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Definitely 5'5. Right.

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For sure. With heels. And that can happen. Yeah. Brad Garrett is a monster. So Ray Romano. He's very, very tall. But Ray was on Parenthood, so I'm hip to the fact that he's probably 6'1 or 2 or something.

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Sorry. 6'1, 2. Yeah. Yeah.

00:16:09 Speaker_08
6'12.

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We'll fact check it. We'll get his exact dimensions.

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Okay. So in high school, you had three friends.

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Four.

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Four. You just added one. Did you feel self-conscious that it was only three and now you just made it four real time?

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I felt bad that I left out one of them.

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Michael?

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No, I'm thinking of the girls. There were four of us. So I had three friends. Wait, one, two, three, no, four. There were five of us. I am fun at a dinner party.

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I've been to one with you. I doubt you remember, but I've been to one with you.

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Which one?

00:16:41 Speaker_08
We were at Adam Vennett's house for dinner one time.

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Oh my God.

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With my ex-girlfriend, Bree.

00:16:48 Speaker_10
Oh, so it was a long time ago.

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20 years ago.

00:16:50 Speaker_10
Okay.

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Tell me.

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It was outside.

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Yeah, at his nice big mansion.

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Yes, and Jim Burrows was there.

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Was he? I wasn't hip enough yet to have known who Jim Burrows was.

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And somebody showed up a little late with a woman. I don't know if you'll clock this too, maybe you won't, but this woman who I just went, what the hell? Uh-huh, uh-huh. What version? Why is this happening right now?

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Like, how does that exist? Like, did it look like a sex worker? This person that was just sort of. High end, I would imagine.

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And then I saw that person a few years later on one of the Housewives. Interesting. On a show. And I went, okay. Interesting. But I can be sort of judgmental and someone comes in and you're just like, riff raff, you know?

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Yeah. Yep, bogey is what we say. Oh, you do? My wife and I'll go, bogey, six o'clock.

00:17:43 Speaker_10
Riffraff's a bad word, I think. Yeah, it is.

00:17:45 Speaker_08
Or you think it's got like a bad historical.

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I think so. Like racist or something? Oh, God, I hope not.

00:17:51 Speaker_08
Well, then what can be bad about it if it's not racial?

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I don't know, because I know I've seen things. Yeah, words are canceled now. We have to look it up. Yeah, Rob, I saw it in an old movie where it's like, oh, they're an actor. All actors are riffraff. And then it came up in something else.

00:18:07 Speaker_10
And someone's like, don't say that. That's a horrible thing to say. And I went, riffraff? It doesn't sound like really bad. Okay.

00:18:15 Speaker_08
We got clearance. What's the origin? Everything's good. Oh, fuck. We don't care about that. Is that referring to any ethnicity or anything? My only memory of who was there is you.

00:18:26 Speaker_11
Oh, wow.

00:18:27 Speaker_08
Yeah, I remember Bree and I driving home and we were like, I can't believe we met Lisa Kudrow. This is fucking nuts. Yeah, we couldn't believe we were at a dinner with you, to be honest. So I don't know, other than Vennet, who was there other than you.

00:18:39 Speaker_10
And Chuck Lorre was there too, I think. Oh wow, Dax, you missed a lot of people.

00:18:43 Speaker_08
How many times did you have dinner over there? Just once?

00:18:45 Speaker_10
I don't remember that many times. Okay.

00:18:49 Speaker_08
But okay, so for people who don't know, when you're on a set and you're filming the ADs, if someone wanders into the scene, that's not background hired to be in the scene.

00:18:59 Speaker_08
Like you're filming on a sidewalk in downtown LA and everyone that walks back and forth has been hired. But if a civilian wanders in, they go might go to three. Yeah, there's a bogey.

00:19:09 Speaker_08
They always say there's a bogey and that's a civilian that's wandered in. That's wandered in.

00:19:13 Speaker_10
Okay, got it.

00:19:14 Speaker_08
That's funny. Kristen and I are big on bogey. You got three bogeys. You're somewhere and you just think, oh my God, some civilians have entered the wrong door or something.

00:19:22 Speaker_11
So unrelatable.

00:19:23 Speaker_08
I don't think this, I think everyone can relate to people being at a party that doesn't seem like they know anyone. That's all it is.

00:19:30 Speaker_11
Well, that had been here. So for Halloween, Dax has a big hayride for this neighborhood and he takes it all across the neighborhood. It's very sweet and cute. Oh, that's nice.

00:19:38 Speaker_07
Thank you.

00:19:38 Speaker_11
But two of our friends who have a baby, they came back early and they were sitting here and there were some bogeys slash riffraff that were just hanging out at the house. No one knew who they were for like 35 minutes. They were just chatting with me.

00:19:52 Speaker_07
That would make me very nervous.

00:19:54 Speaker_11
Yeah.

00:19:55 Speaker_07
And in their defense, it was a very permeable. Please, let's hear their defense.

00:19:59 Speaker_10
OK. And then my anxiety will go away.

00:20:01 Speaker_08
We got a food truck and invited everyone to come to the driveway and have a hamburger on Halloween night.

00:20:05 Speaker_10
You invited everyone.

00:20:06 Speaker_08
That's right. But now there's a little bit of a permeable. Is that the right word? There's an impermeable border. Like that's not an invitation to inside my house. That's the driveway where the food truck is.

00:20:16 Speaker_08
So it sounds like people decided, let's also get into the house.

00:20:19 Speaker_11
They crossed the line.

00:20:20 Speaker_08
Luckily I was just driving the hayride and I missed it. So, okay, great. Back to you and your friends.

00:20:26 Speaker_10
I'm working on the in-defensive.

00:20:27 Speaker_08
Hey, you invited me over for a burger.

00:20:31 Speaker_10
And there were people in the house, so they went in. Other people are in, I guess it's inside and outside. I'm getting chilly. Should we just go inside?

00:20:40 Speaker_11
Should we go inside where these other people are? This is clearly a haunted house situation.

00:20:44 Speaker_08
There are probably bogeys too.

00:20:45 Speaker_11
Yeah. You were there inside. No, I was out in the hayride, but two of our friends came back early because they had a baby. So they then later were like, this is so weird.

00:20:54 Speaker_10
Right, but they were inside.

00:20:56 Speaker_11
Yeah, they were inside, but they're allowed.

00:20:58 Speaker_10
We were out of the house. I'm just trying to say that it's all fine. It's okay. It's okay. No one meant any harm. No. Mostly it's good people in the world. Let's just keep telling ourselves that, right?

00:21:07 Speaker_10
And at some point we're all going to die anyway, and it's all going to be okay.

00:21:11 Speaker_08
Yeah, we'll laugh at all this in heaven. We just leave the house for two hours and the house is wide open. So people probably fucked in our bedroom. We're not doing that anymore.

00:21:20 Speaker_10
Let that be the worst thing.

00:21:22 Speaker_08
Did you, did you pine for popularity? Did you care? Were you the kind of student that you had your thing, you were focused. I'm going to be a doctor. I don't give a fuck about all this frivolous crap. Or did you want way more friends?

00:21:34 Speaker_10
No, that is how it was. Because junior high, I thought, oof, we're all supposed to be popular. That's supposed to happen developmentally, right? See, again, why I'm not fun at a dinner party.

00:21:45 Speaker_08
Because you want to get into the science.

00:21:46 Speaker_10
Because I want to get into the evolutionary. Well, to be fair, you were a biology major. in your history. Yeah, you're generous.

00:21:53 Speaker_08
You and I would be cutting it up like crazy, because that's all I want to talk about, too. I don't know if you've ever heard the show. That's all this is.

00:21:59 Speaker_10
Why do you think that happens?

00:22:01 Speaker_08
I must know. I can't feel comfortable until I understand why it happened, because then I can predict what's going to happen. That's all I really want to do.

00:22:07 Speaker_10
And that, yeah, is very important evolutionarily. Modeling, playing out scenarios, having a plan. The world is scary if we can't do that. Right. Don't we all do that? No. Happy people do not do that.

00:22:19 Speaker_11
Do you think?

00:22:21 Speaker_10
I don't know. Yes, to just be fine with what is and then something comes up, you'll deal with it. I can be that person sometimes. Very happy when I am. But today, I mean, I have to say it's election day.

00:22:33 Speaker_10
So everything is just like, all right, what's going to happen? What should we prepare for? Oh, my God.

00:22:37 Speaker_08
Right.

00:22:37 Speaker_11
There's a level of intensity.

00:22:39 Speaker_08
Yeah, there's a baseline anxiety.

00:22:42 Speaker_11
Yeah, I can feel it walking around the world today. Like, whoo, everyone's a little on edge. Yeah.

00:22:47 Speaker_10
Yeah. Okay. Anyway.

00:22:49 Speaker_08
Okay. So great. So I'm delighted to know that you didn't really covet that.

00:22:52 Speaker_10
I'm going to focus on getting myself to where I think I need to be. And that is college somewhere on the East Coast and not here in Southern California.

00:23:04 Speaker_08
I relate to that greatly. And I also remember from Poehler's autobiography, those moments you have in your teenage years. And for mine, it was literally in a mirror. where I go like, okay, here's the situation. You're not a babe.

00:23:15 Speaker_08
I wanted to look like all these other boys. We're just going to bet on our personality. Like a real, let's talk about the game plan here. Those moments happen in teenage years. It's really adorable. I wish I could like see kids doing that in the mirror.

00:23:26 Speaker_10
My head's full of 10 different things. You walked in today and I went, Jesus, he looks so good. Gorgeous.

00:23:35 Speaker_03
Oh my God.

00:23:37 Speaker_08
Thank you. I think I'm way better looking for sure now than I was.

00:23:41 Speaker_10
It happens with men too, by the way. Have you seen The Substance? No.

00:23:46 Speaker_11
Okay, a movie, you gotta see it.

00:23:48 Speaker_10
Demi Moore. Is it scary? Yeah. Then I will not see that movie.

00:23:52 Speaker_08
Do you want us to just tell you everything that happens in it?

00:23:54 Speaker_11
Not if it's scary. But it's about aging, really, women aging and how they get sort of cast aside. I'll just hit you with the premise.

00:24:02 Speaker_08
Yeah. She's an aging actress. She finds out there's a thing you can shoot in your body. And then for two weeks, you'll be your 20s self. But you have to return to your old self for two weeks. And you go two weeks, two weeks, two weeks.

00:24:14 Speaker_08
And that's the substance. It makes you young again. And of course, when she's her younger self, she don't want to play by those rules.

00:24:21 Speaker_10
She doesn't want to go back. Is she back in time?

00:24:23 Speaker_08
Nope. She takes this shot, she becomes young again for two weeks, and then she has to go through a procedure to go back to being old for two weeks.

00:24:30 Speaker_10
Oh, and she says, no, I don't want to go back to being old.

00:24:33 Speaker_08
And you pay a heavy price for that. And you end up kind of destroying your older self. It's very, very good. And so feminist, it's nuts.

00:24:42 Speaker_11
But this whole thing of he comes in, he's gorgeous, he looks better. And we do that for men. We allow men to age and think it's attractive. And it's not the same for women.

00:24:51 Speaker_08
I think you and I could have a conversation that no one was allowed to have. About? There is an evolutionary reason for that. It's like both unfortunate and it's not out of nowhere.

00:25:01 Speaker_10
Right.

00:25:01 Speaker_08
Dudes can have kids in their 90s. Look at some of our famous directors. It's true.

00:25:07 Speaker_10
Right. Women can't and shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:12 Speaker_08
We don't know that we have that awareness. So you got to like fight through all that.

00:25:17 Speaker_10
Because it's not just about procreation anymore.

00:25:20 Speaker_08
No, we don't even need each other anymore, which is a whole new interesting dynamic. Oh my God. And it's scary.

00:25:25 Speaker_10
That's the chilling, terrifying thing. By the way, you know the movie here? No. Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, Robert Zemeckis.

00:25:33 Speaker_10
It's going through time and they shot it and they could actually shoot the scene and then look at the playback of them as younger and it's ready for them to see.

00:25:45 Speaker_08
Whoa. And they wanted to make this movie for the rest of their lives?

00:25:48 Speaker_10
Well, and all I got from that was this is an endorsement for AI. And oh my God, it's not like, oh, it's going to ruin everything, but maybe what will there be left for forget actors. But what about up and coming actors?

00:26:03 Speaker_10
They'll just be licensing and recycling.

00:26:06 Speaker_08
We'll be watching new Brando movies.

00:26:08 Speaker_10
Yeah, and then set that completely aside. What work will there be for human beings?

00:26:14 Speaker_11
Yeah, we've talked a lot about this.

00:26:15 Speaker_10
Oh, you do talk about that? Oh, yeah. And then what? So there'll be some kind of living stipend for people? Exactly. There'll be no work. How can it possibly be enough?

00:26:25 Speaker_08
Let me attempt to make a glass half full.

00:26:27 Speaker_10
Look it, I'm shaking. I don't know if it's chilly in here. Are you cold?

00:26:32 Speaker_07
Are you cold?

00:26:33 Speaker_10
Maybe.

00:26:33 Speaker_07
First of all, you're sitting on a blanket. Oh, can I do this for you? Cause I've done it one other time. And it made you happy? Okay.

00:26:42 Speaker_11
Or I'm just getting old and I need a shawl. It gets a little chilly. That's nice. He likes to wrap people in like a burrito.

00:26:49 Speaker_08
You go like this. You can change when I leave, but I just do that for now.

00:26:53 Speaker_10
I just won't gesture anymore.

00:26:54 Speaker_06
Oh my god, you look so cute like a baby.

00:26:57 Speaker_07
Okay, this is great. I just took you back in time without AI and now you're a little tiny baby. 99!

00:27:04 Speaker_10
Put her to sleep. Stay in your bedroom tonight. Put her to sleep. This is a drag. This isn't working out.

00:27:10 Speaker_08
Okay, maybe this is crazy glass half full, and I think it's very unlikely.

00:27:14 Speaker_10
Oh, please tell me the full part.

00:27:16 Speaker_08
So you and I will have experienced, and I already know you have your arms completely wrapped around the experience because I've heard you talk about it. I wrote down a quote from you today that said, let me just read it because it's so good.

00:27:27 Speaker_08
That's the healing power of fame. Everything will be fixed now. You're talking about getting the dream and your thought is everything will be fixed now.

00:27:35 Speaker_10
That's the fallacy. Yeah. Right. OK. Because you said that's the healing power of fame.

00:27:42 Speaker_08
Right. Suggesting like, yes, that there would be a healing power of fame. It would fix everything.

00:27:47 Speaker_10
And it doesn't.

00:27:47 Speaker_08
It doesn't, but I think in that for me is the greatest gift I've ever been given because I at least got to go like, okay, great. That's not it. What is it? And it sent me on a journey of figuring out what it is.

00:28:01 Speaker_08
And if I hadn't been given the gift to find out it was lackluster or that it was empty, I would have never stopped believing that that would have been the fix.

00:28:10 Speaker_08
So currently, everyone in America thinks, if I didn't have this job and I didn't have money problems and I didn't have that, I would be fixed. And so we'll give everyone that.

00:28:20 Speaker_08
You don't work, you don't have money problems, fucking robots are doing every single thing. And then three weeks after that, they turn that light switch on. Everyone's gonna be like, yeah, I'm miserable. Why am I miserable?

00:28:31 Speaker_08
And then we all start the path. That could be the outcome.

00:28:34 Speaker_11
How's that glass half full? That sounds so depressing.

00:28:36 Speaker_08
Because everyone will actually try to confront the real angst of being a human and not these other stories we've told ourselves. So it's because we don't have this ski boat and we don't have this pair of shoes.

00:28:48 Speaker_10
It's an equalizer. That's for sure. So what you're saying is so people will.

00:28:53 Speaker_08
Be miserable.

00:28:54 Speaker_10
be miserable, but then what they're going to see is being here on this planet in this life is about something else. It's not about what I do. It's about who I love and who loves me. It's about connecting.

00:29:09 Speaker_10
It's about being part of a community, but a community doing what?

00:29:15 Speaker_08
Meeting in the yard, I guess.

00:29:16 Speaker_10
Painting? It doesn't have to be for a result. The domestic robot will do that better. Oh, it will be better. The artist robots will do it better.

00:29:23 Speaker_11
You're right. So I guess it can't be about being the best takes that off the table.

00:29:28 Speaker_08
I have a solution. Hiking with friends, playing pickleball, playing cards, being social and enjoying the big gift, which is like other people.

00:29:38 Speaker_10
Right, but haven't you been on vacation and after a week?

00:29:46 Speaker_08
You get itchy.

00:29:46 Speaker_10
Okay, now what?

00:29:47 Speaker_08
Well, because you and I are doing the same thing at the end of seven days. Like, I'm a piece of shit because I haven't been productive. And if I'm not productive, I have no value.

00:29:54 Speaker_10
No, I don't feel like that.

00:29:55 Speaker_08
Oh, you don't? What's your issue? You're just bored.

00:29:57 Speaker_10
Yeah, everyone needs an occupation. I don't mean the professional occupation. I mean, purpose. You need something to occupy your time and you need to decide what's fulfilling and what isn't.

00:30:10 Speaker_08
But again, we're so distracted by the immediate needs that are on everyone's plate. Make my rent, feed my kids, all this stuff.

00:30:16 Speaker_10
But you're saying that'll be solved. And I'm saying I don't know what government can afford to solve that on a satisfactory level.

00:30:23 Speaker_08
Currently, we can't. We're just imagining a future where the robots actually do do every single thing and they grow the food and there's just a surplus of all things that are needed and they manufacture phones, they build houses for everyone.

00:30:34 Speaker_08
So that's where we're at. This is Yuval Harari, Homo Deus. It's all been solved. We're all a leisure society. Now what? So I think now what would be great depression for months.

00:30:46 Speaker_10
Population decline.

00:30:47 Speaker_07
Sure.

00:30:48 Speaker_10
That's a terrible joke. Because it's not funny. If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide, get in touch with this hotline.

00:30:57 Speaker_08
Yes. We'll put that in the show notes. So is that possible? Does it give everyone the gift of not needing all this stuff?

00:31:04 Speaker_10
I need to see an episode of that. Maybe there was one on Star Trek, or a good writer is going to have to play that out for me to see. I'll get back to you.

00:31:12 Speaker_08
Okay, so now back to graduating, going to Vassar, integrated in 1969 for men, 1861 for females it started. I just learned all this from you. How the fuck do you get into comedy? Did you know you were funny throughout all that seriousness?

00:31:28 Speaker_10
Yeah.

00:31:29 Speaker_08
Do I need to relieve you from that?

00:31:30 Speaker_10
I was able to do it myself. Okay, good.

00:31:33 Speaker_02
I'm like Harry Houdini.

00:31:35 Speaker_10
Somehow I was able to square my hand under the loose blanket.

00:31:39 Speaker_08
It felt like watching Houdini for a second. That's why I offered assistance. I just saw your hand moving around a ton under there like, oh fuck, she's trapped.

00:31:47 Speaker_10
I can't. I had a feeling. I need my gum.

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00:34:06 Speaker_08
By the way, do you wear a lot of shawl collars or whatever this would be, Monica? This is a very cute look on you.

00:34:10 Speaker_03
It is a nice look. Good dress, yeah.

00:34:12 Speaker_08
Yeah, the fact that it's like pinstriped up top and then straight, yeah. Oh my God. It's very cute. Legend has it, you're brother's friends with John Lovitz.

00:34:20 Speaker_10
Yeah, I grew up with John Lovitz. He and my brother, best friends. And he grew up in Encino as well? Tarzana. And he was at our house all the time.

00:34:28 Speaker_08
And he said to you what?

00:34:29 Speaker_10
I let him know after college, I decided I should try acting because I always was interested, but threw it away. After I graduated, I realized wait a minute, don't have any regrets later.

00:34:42 Speaker_10
I know you plan to get married and have kids and all of that, but you might regret not ever even trying. So know for sure why you didn't pursue acting. So I let Love It Snow after I graduated because he got on Saturday Night Live.

00:34:59 Speaker_10
And before that, I thought, oh, it's only a magical few that are touched. Certainly no one who looks like me. But I saw him just pounding away forever in college. He was a theater major. He wanted to be an actor. And, oh, dear God, how's that?

00:35:11 Speaker_10
It's so hard. And then he got on Saturday Night Live and I thought, oh, it's his reality. I wonder if I should try. So I let him know and he said, go to Groundlings. That's where I learned the most for acting. That's been the best preparation.

00:35:27 Speaker_10
I wasn't allowed to even audition because I called them and said, John Levitz told me to call, which may have been like a fucking guy got on to Saturday Night Live. OK, well, when's the last time you performed or acted? And I said junior high.

00:35:43 Speaker_10
And I said, great, we're sending you someplace else. Oh. See, Cynthia Szigeti, who taught improv, and she had a class she taught at the Coronet Theater.

00:35:52 Speaker_08
Oh, no kidding, where they do Largo now.

00:35:54 Speaker_10
Yeah. The other person in that class was Conan O'Brien. He also was sent to Cynthia Segeti. Oh my God. And by the way, I've told this before, but I was going to quit. I went to one class of Cynthia's. Conan wasn't there.

00:36:06 Speaker_10
Everyone there just felt like, oh, not for me.

00:36:08 Speaker_08
You didn't get a good vibe.

00:36:09 Speaker_10
These are actor-y people. I thought comedy would be less serious and phony. They were really overdoing it with emotional adjustments. I was like, this is just embarrassing.

00:36:20 Speaker_03
Right.

00:36:21 Speaker_10
This is like cheerleading. You've been embarrassed for people for quite a long time. And I didn't want to be part of that.

00:36:28 Speaker_08
It's an embarrassing endeavor, to be honest.

00:36:30 Speaker_10
Well, except when. So the next week I was like, do I go back? I should go. Just go. Come on. And I was a little late and they were already up there doing lift a disc or space ball or whatever it was. Now throw it, and you're angry. Everyone's angry.

00:36:46 Speaker_10
Angry now. People are throwing it, and they're like, grrr. So embarrassing. And then there was Conan. I didn't know him. He was really tall, red hair. And he was throwing it, and he was angry. But he wasn't making a meal of it. I got it.

00:37:00 Speaker_10
And then Cynthia said, good commitment. And I went, that's what commitment means? I can do that. And so I just made a beeline for him when it was all over. And you know, like, hi, I'm Lisa.

00:37:10 Speaker_08
Yes, we're going to date shortly.

00:37:14 Speaker_10
Pretty soon, we will be dating. Not really. Best friends. For how long?

00:37:19 Speaker_07
You did date, though, right?

00:37:20 Speaker_10
Eight years. And then tried that for the last three months. After eight years of friendship? And then, no.

00:37:26 Speaker_08
That's an ill-fated plan.

00:37:28 Speaker_10
It worked out.

00:37:29 Speaker_08
Well, clearly, but not in a romantic sense.

00:37:32 Speaker_10
I mean, it worked out. We weren't, they were meant to be. Yeah.

00:37:36 Speaker_08
No, of course. I'm only saying if you've been friends with someone for eight years, I always have a hard time understanding that transition into dating. Obviously there's probably success stories.

00:37:46 Speaker_11
You think it's too friend zoned by then?

00:37:48 Speaker_08
Yeah. Just that's an interesting transition after eight years. Like generally your first kiss is quite exciting. Whereas opposed to like, we've been hanging for eight years. Now we're kissing feels a little bit awkward.

00:37:59 Speaker_10
No, still exciting.

00:38:00 Speaker_08
Okay, great.

00:38:01 Speaker_10
Yeah, because it's a completely different relationship and we're better as friends. So that was just a weird blip.

00:38:09 Speaker_11
Because I can relate to that is so embarrassing. When I really think about the times I've done it, I feel like it's because, well, first of all, I'm allergic to earnestness. I don't know if you have that. Right. It feels so cringy to care.

00:38:23 Speaker_11
But now I can see that as, that's actually a beautiful thing that people care and throw the thing with such fervor, even though it's embarrassing. I can see that now as cool. Do you think you have that?

00:38:34 Speaker_11
I'm afraid to care that much, because then there's possibility of getting rejected.

00:38:38 Speaker_10
No, if the praise is coming for, like indicating anger or, oh, I'm sad.

00:38:47 Speaker_03
I'm not buying it.

00:38:48 Speaker_10
It's bad. Right.

00:38:50 Speaker_08
You were like, bad is being rewarded.

00:38:52 Speaker_10
The teacher is really just trying to make people feel safe and comfortable. Right. Mm hmm. And so for me, it was, well, how will I ever be able to trust her? I'm going to think I'm great and then I'm going to have horrible habits.

00:39:08 Speaker_10
I'm just going to become good at being bad. Right. That's not what I am hoping to learn to do.

00:39:14 Speaker_08
You need the truth.

00:39:15 Speaker_10
And then I need an example. I learn best by example. So what does it look like when you're doing it right? Because Robert De Niro isn't doing space baller lift a disc right now for me to see.

00:39:26 Speaker_08
And Conan was doing it right.

00:39:29 Speaker_10
Yes.

00:39:30 Speaker_08
He told the cutest story. I'll earmark that. I'm going to save that. When you were on his show.

00:39:34 Speaker_10
Okay.

00:39:35 Speaker_08
I'll just say now that you telling him how thrilled you were to meet Matthew Perry and how hysterical he was, you're going on and on about how special and funny he was.

00:39:43 Speaker_08
And he admitted to you when he interviewed you, he's like, I just started feeling like, well, who is this guy? And why is he so my Gene Cordero thing?

00:39:51 Speaker_11
Oh, sure.

00:39:51 Speaker_08
Kristen and Monica love Gene Cordero.

00:39:53 Speaker_11
No, his name is Eugene.

00:39:55 Speaker_08
I started calling him Mean Gene Cordero. That's not his name, but because I'm threatened by how funny he is. They would just regale all the time how funny he was.

00:40:02 Speaker_10
OK, yeah. Well, because Conan was... was. I mean, has always been.

00:40:08 Speaker_08
Yeah.

00:40:08 Speaker_10
And that's not a lie. The funniest person I'd ever met.

00:40:12 Speaker_11
Yeah.

00:40:12 Speaker_10
Ever.

00:40:13 Speaker_08
Well, you stumbled into one who historically will go down as one of the funniest people ever. Yes, of all time.

00:40:20 Speaker_11
You just ran into him at an improv class. That's so bizarre.

00:40:23 Speaker_10
Yeah. And we'd go to parties like, well, he's the best to bring to a party because he makes everyone so comfortable. He's so hilarious. And he's, I think, one of the smartest people I've ever met.

00:40:33 Speaker_08
That was my hunches. I bet, sure, you were attracted to the comedic ability of him, but I imagine how brilliant he is is what really made you want to be friends and eventually lovers, as we discovered.

00:40:45 Speaker_11
For three months.

00:40:46 Speaker_08
Three hot, steamy months. For five minutes. You then started going through the actual program at the Groundlings.

00:40:52 Speaker_10
Yeah, we got accepted into paying them money for the basic class. We were allowed to do that, but we weren't in the same class. And everyone knew we were close friends.

00:41:03 Speaker_10
I always suspected that had something to do with if people thought there was anything good about me because I sort of had Conan's endorsement and he was already really respected. He was going to get in.

00:41:14 Speaker_08
He left, right? Third level or something.

00:41:15 Speaker_10
He was in the advanced class. Is that called third level? I don't know.

00:41:18 Speaker_08
The advanced class. No, I think that's fourth.

00:41:19 Speaker_10
And from there you get voted into the Sunday Company. And you do two sort of showcases. After that first performance in that advanced class, he and his writing partner, Greg Daniels, What? Yeah, you didn't know that? I don't think I knew that. Or did I?

00:41:34 Speaker_10
Oh my God. Can we just do this whole thing about Conan? No, but they got invited to write on Saturday Night Live.

00:41:43 Speaker_08
Oh, it wasn't Simpsons first? It was Saturday Night Live.

00:41:45 Speaker_10
Saturday Night Live. So they had to go to New York.

00:41:48 Speaker_08
Wow.

00:41:49 Speaker_10
And that's why Conan wasn't a groundling.

00:41:53 Speaker_08
On this episode, we answer the burning question, why wasn't Conan a groundling?

00:41:57 Speaker_10
Wow.

00:41:58 Speaker_08
How far into the main company before you got an audition for SNL?

00:42:02 Speaker_10
I didn't get an official audition. I was just told Lorraine Newman had seen me at the Groundlings and she thought I was good.

00:42:11 Speaker_08
Was she a scout for SNL?

00:42:12 Speaker_10
No, but she let me know, she let them know to pay attention or come see me. They were coming out to look at Julia Sweeney. And I think she was letting them know, look at her too.

00:42:26 Speaker_08
So you knew that before the show?

00:42:28 Speaker_10
Before the show.

00:42:28 Speaker_08
Did that make you nervous?

00:42:30 Speaker_10
It made me nervous because that was going to be life changing.

00:42:34 Speaker_08
Were you focused on being on SNL? Was that something you wanted to do?

00:42:37 Speaker_10
I wasn't going to say no to that. But it wasn't your only... You wanted to act and be in things. I thought I should probably be on a sitcom. I mean, I wasn't getting any auditions or anything at that point at all. And Saturday Night Live was good too.

00:42:54 Speaker_10
It's one of the coolest.

00:42:57 Speaker_08
It's like joining the Beatles or something.

00:42:59 Speaker_10
And I remember calling Conan because he was writing there. And I said, can you put in a good word or anything? He was like, no, because that's a different no.

00:43:09 Speaker_08
It might make it go worse for you. That's the real answer.

00:43:13 Speaker_10
Also, he may have known, they're coming to look at Julia Sweeney. That's kind of the entire story.

00:43:20 Speaker_08
So you didn't fly to New York and do the whole thing? No. They were in the audience?

00:43:23 Speaker_10
They were in the audience, and I thought, they're here to see me too.

00:43:27 Speaker_08
Right, right, right. Were there any dudes that went to SNL while you were there?

00:43:31 Speaker_10
No, but I'm usually wrong.

00:43:33 Speaker_08
I don't remember things well.

00:43:34 Speaker_10
I just know, yeah, Julius Sweeney. That's all I know.

00:43:36 Speaker_08
That's who went to SNL while you were there.

00:43:37 Speaker_10
But I know because I was a groundling. I voted in Will Ferrell.

00:43:41 Speaker_08
Get out. It's so weird to think of him in The Sunday Company. It's almost like he's too much of a god to have possibly done that. Was he outrageously good as we came to know him on SNL?

00:43:50 Speaker_10
Yeah, that wasn't even a question for anyone voting. Everything you need here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will Ferrell.

00:43:58 Speaker_08
OK, you're on Cheers in 1989.

00:44:00 Speaker_10
Yeah.

00:44:01 Speaker_08
You are? Congratulations.

00:44:02 Speaker_10
Did you know this? No, I did, but I don't know what year.

00:44:07 Speaker_08
Were you in the growlings when you were on Cheers?

00:44:09 Speaker_10
Yeah. Wait, was I? No, you weren't. That's why I got voted in. Oh, because you were on cheer? No, I was in a play, Ladies Room. That Robin Schiff, who was a groundling, she wrote it. It was really successful.

00:44:24 Speaker_10
And then I got to be in a movie with Teresa Russell, directed by Sandra Locke. I got cut out of it, but it was not comedy either. And I got to audition for so many things.

00:44:35 Speaker_07
Because of a sketch? Because of that play. Oh, wow. A play. Oh. Ladies Room. I don't know about Ladies Room.

00:44:40 Speaker_10
It was a play.

00:44:41 Speaker_07
Okay. you play?

00:44:44 Speaker_10
At the Tiffany Theater, which was the Equity Waiver Theater in L.A. And it ran forever. And it was me and this girl, Christy Miller, who was also in the Groundling program. Wait, Christy Miller?

00:44:55 Speaker_08
Christy. Oh, not Christy Miller.

00:44:57 Speaker_10
Christy Miller. And at first, the characters were called Airhead One, Airhead Two. A total of like five minutes in and out of the stage. Then the play is backed by Aaron Spelling and Douglas Kramer. And they give the characters' names Romy and Michelle.

00:45:13 Speaker_10
Stop!

00:45:14 Speaker_08
Oh, come on.

00:45:15 Speaker_11
I was about to say Airhead 1, Airhead 2, Romy and Michelle. Yeah. So they made it later into the movie?

00:45:21 Speaker_08
But years later after Friends. So much later, yeah. Oh my God, so much later.

00:45:25 Speaker_10
Wow, you're living in a scene. There's a bad pilot with Romy and Michelle that Spelling Kramer made. It's not great.

00:45:33 Speaker_08
Okay.

00:45:34 Speaker_10
Because I realized I kept saying so bad and that's unkind.

00:45:38 Speaker_08
Right. Everyone tried their hardest. Sure, sure. That's in between, I imagine, Cheers and Friends. You do two pilots between Cheers and Friends.

00:45:47 Speaker_10
Oh my God.

00:45:48 Speaker_08
Congratulations.

00:45:48 Speaker_10
That's before Cheers.

00:45:50 Speaker_08
This is before Cheers that you made a pilot?

00:45:51 Speaker_10
Either right before or around the same time, because I knew one of them, I wasn't a SAG member, so you had to get two jobs. I had to get Taft-Hartlead and then join or something like that.

00:46:04 Speaker_10
So it was Cheers and Roaming Michelle, but it was called Temporarily Yours. Wow.

00:46:09 Speaker_08
Temporarily Yours.

00:46:10 Speaker_10
That's why I got into Groundlings.

00:46:12 Speaker_08
Because you had done.

00:46:13 Speaker_10
I was ready to hand it over to, I think, because I was friends with Conan.

00:46:17 Speaker_11
I think it's because you were good. Can you not just take that?

00:46:23 Speaker_08
I think you're a fraud. I'm with you on this one.

00:46:25 Speaker_10
No, it's not that I think I was bad.

00:46:28 Speaker_08
Could you be misled by the fact that you were with Sweeney on stage?

00:46:31 Speaker_10
Yes, I mean, I do know peers thought that's funny, but I was not a crowd pleaser with the growling audience. I wasn't doing like fright wigs and blackened teeth, you know, that kind of stuff. You were embarrassed by that. I wasn't.

00:46:45 Speaker_10
I mean, I would have been. I did one sort of like that. If people can see your face.

00:46:51 Speaker_08
One time. You're almost throwing up.

00:46:52 Speaker_10
You're kind of holding back a vomit. One time. But I was trying to be clever, by the way. Pat Sajak had a late night show.

00:47:00 Speaker_08
Oh, yes. For a minute. A talk show. For a minute.

00:47:02 Speaker_10
And he was going to start having sketches. And so they wanted groundlings to come do sketches. So they came to watch a show. And the director of the main company at the time, I was smoking and I was going to go get cigarettes.

00:47:14 Speaker_10
He goes, let me walk with you. I was like, no, I didn't think he liked me at all. All right. And we're walking, he says, so, Pat Sajak, people were out here and they watched the show. So they liked Julia, of course, Sweeney. I went, yeah, yeah, he said.

00:47:26 Speaker_10
And I don't even understand any of this, but you. Oh, my God. And he really did say it like that, because I remember thinking manners, at least. Yeah. But all right. I went, huh. I think he said, this is crazy. I said, yeah, wow, that is crazy. Jeez.

00:47:47 Speaker_08
You know, having fun on stage is really contagious.

00:47:50 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:47:51 Speaker_08
I skipped one part and I just need to know because selfishly I'm left handed. So a lot of the work you did a study with your father for eight years and part of the study was to see if left handed people had cluster headaches at an inordinate rate.

00:48:05 Speaker_10
Close.

00:48:05 Speaker_08
OK.

00:48:06 Speaker_10
Yes. And. You were born in 1983. Yes.

00:48:10 Speaker_07
And also I was not.

00:48:17 Speaker_10
And I could see how you might be confused with that because an eight and a six have circles in them.

00:48:23 Speaker_08
That's exactly right.

00:48:25 Speaker_10
And that is why I was a fine improviser.

00:48:28 Speaker_08
Very good.

00:48:29 Speaker_10
Anyway, it was to see if there was any association between hemispheric dominance, handedness, and headache types. So it wasn't just cluster headache.

00:48:40 Speaker_08
My understanding is that your right hemisphere controls your left hand.

00:48:44 Speaker_10
Yeah.

00:48:44 Speaker_08
So did cluster headaches show up more in the right hemisphere over the left hemisphere? Was that discovered?

00:48:49 Speaker_10
No.

00:48:49 Speaker_08
Okay.

00:48:50 Speaker_10
It was just to see if people who were right hemispheric dominant had more cluster headache. But it was every headache amongst all headache types. But the answer was no.

00:49:03 Speaker_08
Okay. That's what you found out. Now, let me ask you this. Because headaches were such a topic in the house, it would have given me a self-fulfilling prophecy that I was going to get headaches. Did that happen to you at all? No.

00:49:14 Speaker_08
I've been like overly concerned about headaches because this is like the primary concern of my father. No.

00:49:21 Speaker_10
He was concerned, not concerned, but he was interested in headache because he got almost every headache type.

00:49:26 Speaker_07
Oh, he did. What is the explanation?

00:49:29 Speaker_10
It's a complicated explanation that has to do with, if it holds, it's his theory, which was impressive because he had the first working theory, that it had to do with some damage to the hypothalamus.

00:49:42 Speaker_10
Mostly men had cluster headache and that the damage may have come from burning the candle on both ends was his theory at the time. But I don't think stress brought on the cluster headaches. I think it was a circadian or circannual

00:49:57 Speaker_10
rhythm thing for episodic cluster and people who had it chronically all the time.

00:50:03 Speaker_08
Could those people discover a pattern or were they completely random?

00:50:06 Speaker_10
Well, the pattern had to do with the light changing. A lot of them are hormone related too, right? Migraines, but not cluster headaches.

00:50:15 Speaker_08
Those female skew, don't they?

00:50:17 Speaker_10
Yeah.

00:50:18 Speaker_11
Which would make sense.

00:50:19 Speaker_10
But there are men who get headaches. Well, young men. And then as you get older, if I'm remembering it right, because I worked there for eight years, guys get older, their headaches go away.

00:50:29 Speaker_08
They go away. Because my daughter has a lot of headaches. I don't know about a lot. She has more than average. Is she adolescent? She's a woman. She's 11.

00:50:38 Speaker_10
But there are hormones.

00:50:40 Speaker_08
Yeah. She's 11 and things are starting to happen. Sorry. No, I mean, I'm sorry.

00:50:46 Speaker_10
Look at me now. It's like, no, no, I'm not. No joking. This isn't funny. Everything's very serious. Come on.

00:50:52 Speaker_08
I would've been happy to have a good time with you, but you brought up headaches. Yeah, I had them when I was younger, but I don't really have. If I have one now, it's very, very rare. And I'm so grateful because they're fucking miserable.

00:51:01 Speaker_10
They are. But they've got good treatments now.

00:51:04 Speaker_08
Yeah. I know people, they do injections when the shit hits the fan.

00:51:06 Speaker_10
Yeah. There's those migraines, you know, like hemiplegic migraines, or I don't know, maybe they don't call those anymore. But half of the face or body gets paralyzed.

00:51:16 Speaker_10
And the scary thing is when it happens, you think, I think you've got to get a brain scan. Yeah.

00:51:21 Speaker_08
Stroke.

00:51:21 Speaker_10
What's happening. But it's not.

00:51:24 Speaker_08
Whoa, is that there's too much electrical activity going on?

00:51:27 Speaker_10
My brother's a neurologist and he now is the headache specialist and he had just explained it and now because of my age, I don't remember what he said.

00:51:36 Speaker_08
Right, but that's a joy because he can explain to you all over again. I bet he loves explaining it and you'll love learning it all over again. This is very symbiotic. I don't know if he does.

00:51:44 Speaker_11
He does. Okay. How cool for him.

00:51:46 Speaker_08
You said he's a man? He loves to explain things, trust me. As I explain this to you right now, I know the same tickle he's getting. Oh my god. Got meta.

00:51:56 Speaker_10
Oh my god.

00:51:59 Speaker_08
We're the worst.

00:51:59 Speaker_10
Like cannibalistically meta.

00:52:02 Speaker_08
Okay, I want to talk about this kind of interesting and sim-like

00:52:06 Speaker_11
Your life is a sim for sure. You meet Conan on your first day of, do you believe in the sim? What does that mean?

00:52:12 Speaker_08
Simulation.

00:52:13 Speaker_10
Simulation, right. What do you mean? Like, do you think you're living in one?

00:52:16 Speaker_08
Do you think you have a carcass somewhere plugged into a computer and it's giving you this experience?

00:52:20 Speaker_10
I do now.

00:52:21 Speaker_08
I mean, you should. I didn't until today. You should. Just convinced. That's all it took, is a simple explanation of where you're at.

00:52:28 Speaker_11
I heard it once. You've experienced a lot of one-of-one things.

00:52:32 Speaker_08
I think if you have a lot of suspicious stuff happen in your life, you're probably more prone to think like, what's going on? We don't really believe in the Zim, but also we 30% do. Yeah. We play around with the notion that we're plugged in somewhere.

00:52:44 Speaker_10
I'm processing everything you're saying and trying to figure how it's the same as the way I see things. Because I do think that there's too much we don't know. So it could be that. It could be God. It could be anything. Something stinks.

00:52:57 Speaker_10
I don't know if something stinks. I think that what stinks is that we require to measure it, see it, describe it, define it. We need to know.

00:53:07 Speaker_05
Predict it.

00:53:09 Speaker_10
in order to accept it when the one thing I learned from science and scientific method is there's more we don't know than we do know. So just because you can't doesn't mean it's not happening. Yeah.

00:53:24 Speaker_08
We have the tiniest sliver of data, really.

00:53:27 Speaker_10
We're so limited in our senses.

00:53:29 Speaker_08
We have these five, and if you really ponder it, if no one had sight and you didn't have sight, it's completely unimaginable. Nobody could expand their fucking imagination enough to imagine what sight is or hearing or taste or touch.

00:53:42 Speaker_08
So yeah, conceivably, there's like 12 other ways to observe reality that we just don't observe.

00:53:48 Speaker_10
That's what I think. There are things we can't explain that we've just known.

00:53:52 Speaker_08
Well, let me ask you this. Have you had those moments? Cause you've had a very exceptional life and you go like, well, how do I make peace with this? This is an abnormal amount of, you know, for me, I would call it like lock. Yeah. Well, okay.

00:54:07 Speaker_10
Here's the thing. When there was no way I was going to be an actress, and I was in college, and my plan even on graduation was I'm going to go to graduate school and study evolutionary theory, not going to be a doctor, that's fine.

00:54:21 Speaker_10
I'd come home for spring breaks And I'd be driving around in LA and you'd hear on the radio a commercial for a new sitcom or a sitcom, and they're promoting it with their best joke. I have huge quote marks. I'm waving like a lunatic at the quote.

00:54:38 Speaker_08
Pelican flapping its wings.

00:54:40 Speaker_10
I'm driving along and I'd hear that joke, which would just be like, well, that's what she said last time. And I think, oh my God. Why do they have to hit it so hard? Can't they just throw it away? That's what she said last time.

00:55:00 Speaker_10
And then the thought was, Lisa, please remember to throw it away when you do it. And I went, what? I'm not doing that. Right. But you always were. And then other things like that. I'd watch David Letterman and watch someone who was being very, very phony.

00:55:20 Speaker_10
You know, that's not the way they talked. Not really. No. Oh, I love that. I love that. You know, like that kind of thing. And I thought, Oh my God, Lisa, when you're on Letterman, please try to be yourself.

00:55:30 Speaker_10
I'm like, yeah, wait, when am I going to be on Letterman? For what? The latest evolutionary theory? Am I going to come up with some world altering?

00:55:39 Speaker_08
The fifth tallest biology graduate from Vassar. Put your hands together for the fifth tallest.

00:55:46 Speaker_10
I don't know how to explain those things.

00:55:49 Speaker_08
I'm feeling very seen by the notion, and this is a terrible thing to admit, but it has been a great source of confidence for me. I watch stuff and I think, well, that's not very good. Maybe I can do it.

00:56:00 Speaker_08
So much of my propulsion has been seeing something. I don't think it's very good. So then I think, well, shit, then I think maybe I could do it.

00:56:08 Speaker_10
Oh, you think that's what I was experiencing?

00:56:10 Speaker_08
Yes. I don't. You would go to an improv show and you go like, that's not very good. I have so much fear that I'm not good enough. But when I see something bad, it would weirdly encourage me and go like, no, no, this might be doable.

00:56:22 Speaker_08
And so you're hearing shitty acting on the radio and something in you that tells you, I know that's not good. That's weirdly confidence building. Does that make any sense to you?

00:56:32 Speaker_10
It does.

00:56:32 Speaker_08
But you don't relate to it.

00:56:34 Speaker_10
I don't feel like that was that part of me responding. It felt like it was someone else saying, Lisa, when you do it, but it wasn't a voice. It wasn't anything else. It was a thought in my head. But to respond to it, like, wait, what are you saying?

00:56:49 Speaker_10
What does that mean?

00:56:49 Speaker_08
Right.

00:56:51 Speaker_10
Sometimes I just know what I know. Although now I'm feeling like an idiot. after talking to you that, oh yeah, she studied science and she thinks that something in the cosmos is talking to her.

00:57:03 Speaker_10
But it did feel like such a strong feeling that shouldn't rationally be there. Yeah.

00:57:09 Speaker_08
And you kind of would listen to it, which is good.

00:57:12 Speaker_10
I didn't. I rejected it until Levitz. And it was very practical. I'm 22. I don't have a mortgage. I don't have any responsibility. Now's the time to try that. And you don't want to have any regrets. I'd forgotten about those other things.

00:57:25 Speaker_08
Now, this is a childhood question. It's related to the truth and it's related to watching the people be phony. Now, it could be as inane as you're a younger sibling. I'm a younger sibling.

00:57:36 Speaker_08
My older sibling tried to deceive me all the time because that's how it works.

00:57:40 Speaker_10
Right. You're the least competent person in the household, so you have the least respect. Yes.

00:57:46 Speaker_08
And everyone's getting something you're not getting all the time and you want to fake it like you are. Do you relate to that observation, which is it's very important to you to know what's real and what's not? Ooh, I used to.

00:57:58 Speaker_08
And do you think that's childhood stuff or just your biochemistry?

00:58:02 Speaker_10
I don't know. Things shift and change in me all the time. What's important, who I am, what kind of mood I'm in, either very analytical or I'm very like, you know, it doesn't matter. It's okay. You'll rise to the occasion. I feel like a different person.

00:58:19 Speaker_10
And Diane Keaton once said to me a long time ago, something like, oh, I was 25. I was a different person. Like, well, don't you feel like you're the same person? No, I've been so many different people. Right. Of course not.

00:58:31 Speaker_10
We've all been so many different people at different times.

00:58:34 Speaker_08
Yeah, and if you like Buddhism at all, which I'm very newly into reading about, yeah, we are a product of whatever context we're in. We're not even the same person throughout the day.

00:58:43 Speaker_08
You go to the grocery store and shit's popping off and there's an argument over here and there's some version of you that's there that's not the version of you at dinnertime later. Right.

00:58:50 Speaker_10
Or just some important beliefs shift.

00:58:53 Speaker_08
Yeah. Sometimes you care a ton about something and then other times you're like, I don't even care about that.

00:58:57 Speaker_11
It's also good. You don't want to be so stuck in the thing you were saying when you were 16. We're supposed to evolve.

00:59:04 Speaker_08
Yeah, not being married to all these cornerstone beliefs we think that define us.

00:59:08 Speaker_10
Definitely.

00:59:08 Speaker_08
Malcolm Gladwell says, hold your opinions loosely.

00:59:11 Speaker_10
I agree with that. But what about core beliefs? Beliefs and opinions are different, aren't they?

00:59:16 Speaker_11
Values and opinions are different, for sure.

00:59:19 Speaker_08
Would I be right in guessing the permanence of the role as mom is something unique? It feels like bedrock to me.

00:59:25 Speaker_10
There's a higher order, something shifted in the list of priorities.

00:59:30 Speaker_08
and you can feel it's permanent. And you're like, oh yeah, there'll be no wavering. And this is a unique feeling. Other than when you get a tattoo and you go like, okay, put it on. You go like, yep, well, that's a permanent decision.

00:59:40 Speaker_08
There's very few of those in life.

00:59:42 Speaker_10
Yeah, I don't have any tattoos. I'll give you one because I don't like permanent decisions, except for my son. Yeah.

00:59:49 Speaker_08
OK, so I just want to point out this Jimmy Burroughs thing, because this is another simulation-y kind of thing.

00:59:53 Speaker_08
You go to Cheers and a very cute conversation with you and Ted talking about you being there all week and just staying on set the entire time.

01:00:01 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:00:01 Speaker_08
To learn what was happening.

01:00:02 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:00:03 Speaker_08
But Burroughs, of course, is directing that show. So you have some experience with them there. And then you get cast in Frasier.

01:00:09 Speaker_10
Right. They made a mistake. And then they corrected the mistake.

01:00:13 Speaker_08
And what happens?

01:00:14 Speaker_10
As a lead? Series regular.

01:00:15 Speaker_08
She was playing Frasier.

01:00:16 Speaker_10
Yeah, yeah. You're set.

01:00:18 Speaker_08
Oh, you were Frasier.

01:00:19 Speaker_10
Remember, they made a mistake and then they corrected it. Like, no, let's stick with Kelsey.

01:00:25 Speaker_08
I mean, he's already established on the other show.

01:00:29 Speaker_10
It was a funny idea. No, the Ross character. I mean, they, I think had Perry Gilpin in mind when they wrote the part and she and I were the ones that went to the network and I just sort of changed their mind for a minute. And that was a mistake.

01:00:45 Speaker_10
They reverse course.

01:00:46 Speaker_08
How deep into the process did you get before you were replaced?

01:00:49 Speaker_10
A couple days before shooting, I don't know, halfway through the pilot week.

01:00:53 Speaker_08
For sure, for you at that moment, career-wise, he's coming off of Cheers. This show's going to work. Right. You must have been like, okay, back to the, like, everything's about to be fixed.

01:01:04 Speaker_10
Right.

01:01:04 Speaker_08
What was the heartbreak of that? Was it devastating? How'd you handle it?

01:01:07 Speaker_10
I did think I might be one of those people for whom this isn't going to work out. Am I? I am. Am I though? I don't know.

01:01:16 Speaker_08
How do you find your way back to some level of confidence?

01:01:21 Speaker_10
Grief starts to wane.

01:01:22 Speaker_08
Time passes.

01:01:24 Speaker_10
Yeah. And I would just get up every morning and walk. And then at the end of the walk, I lived near Michelle Richard at the time. It was a great little cafe and they had pan au chocolat. And I'm going to have one of those at the end of my walk.

01:01:37 Speaker_10
And as I'm out there walking, the sun is bleaching my hair and it's getting a little lighter. So I'm getting some lighter highlights. And I'm just in every way lightening up.

01:01:47 Speaker_10
And I have friends that I'm talking to who are saying like, oh my God, you're leaving the house. That's amazing. To me, it was support and encouragement. Like, well, you're doing great. Look, one door closed, another one opens.

01:01:59 Speaker_10
And then I think it's that one thing that I was told that it's, then what else will you do? And I could always just go back.

01:02:08 Speaker_10
to school, get caught up in whatever's happening in evolutionary biology, take whatever classes I have to take and just continue on that path. And that was never an option. I knew I wasn't going to do that and that this is really what I wanted to do.

01:02:22 Speaker_08
Yeah. How long between getting fired again by Jimmy Burrows before Friends?

01:02:27 Speaker_10
a year. I don't know. I'm bad with this.

01:02:29 Speaker_08
Maybe people know this. I didn't know any of this. I find this really fascinating. So you audition for Friends and Jimmy Burrows is going to be the director. And your last experience with him was that you were fired.

01:02:41 Speaker_10
Yeah, that's scary. And I really thought, I'm not his cup of tea.

01:02:45 Speaker_08
Yeah, he doesn't like me.

01:02:46 Speaker_10
I'm not for him. How much of a say does he have in things? Oh, a lot.

01:02:51 Speaker_06
Oh, me?

01:02:52 Speaker_10
A lot. And so I had to audition. I auditioned for just Jimmy. One of my auditions was in a room just Jim Burrows and I'm doing the audition and he says, no notes. And I walk out going that either means I give up. She's hopeless or it was perfect.

01:03:11 Speaker_10
I have no notes. And then it's I'll find out soon. Oh, it doesn't matter. What can I do?

01:03:15 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:03:16 Speaker_10
Yeah. I don't know how many years ago this was less than 10, I think. And there's something for Jim Burrows, like a special something. And I think it's even broadcast. And the six of us cast members are with him.

01:03:29 Speaker_10
That's where I think I said, like, yeah, well, I had an audition. Remember the audition we all had?

01:03:33 Speaker_08
The round with just Jim?

01:03:35 Speaker_10
Just Jimmy. And everyone went, no, I didn't have that.

01:03:38 Speaker_08
He took one look at a tape of them and they're like, oh, yeah, that's him. Oh, wow.

01:03:43 Speaker_10
I was the only one.

01:03:45 Speaker_08
It's a blessing he didn't know that until 10 years ago.

01:03:48 Speaker_10
I thought, this is that crazy insecurity. You think he needed to see you because it didn't work out on the last thing. Yeah, it's just part of the audition process. It's just part of it. Everyone did this. Why don't you calm down?

01:03:59 Speaker_08
Yeah, you're talking yourself out of being crazy. Yeah, you're like, you're not even that important. None of this matters that much. You've made this something that's not.

01:04:07 Speaker_10
And in fact, they did need to check with Jimmy.

01:04:10 Speaker_08
You were spot on.

01:04:11 Speaker_10
Is it all right? Because we think she's pretty good.

01:04:14 Speaker_08
And then this crazy thing happens in the table read.

01:04:17 Speaker_10
The table read.

01:04:18 Speaker_08
For friends. Did it?

01:04:20 Speaker_10
Where he suggests you- No, not the table read, one of the rehearsals. For the pilot? For the pilot where Rachel is about to cut up credit cards and we're all sitting around the kitchen table. And he thinks, oh, you know what'll be fun?

01:04:31 Speaker_10
Lise, get under the table. What? Oh God, what do you mean? Let's sit under the table and I'm climbing down. I'm just like shoving myself under the kitchen table. And I said, I can't see anybody's like, yeah, but it's funny. That's all right. Oh boy.

01:04:48 Speaker_08
And when I heard you retell us before you were feeling right. Cause I don't belong here. You don't think I belong here. And now you're physically removing me, putting me where it's now visually obvious. I don't belong here. Right?

01:05:01 Speaker_08
It was like a very triggering confirmation that he hated her.

01:05:04 Speaker_10
Oh my God. He doesn't want this to work. Because one of the issues with the character, it's like, how do we let the audience know why they're friends with her? Right. Because she's so different. And I don't know that this helps that.

01:05:20 Speaker_10
So we do the run through and David Crane, who's so nice, he's like, okay, that was good. Lisa, it's funny that you're under the table. I don't know that that works. And I'm thinking, he thinks this was my idea. Oh no. Oh no, he thinks it's my idea.

01:05:38 Speaker_08
On top of it not working, it was my bad idea.

01:05:40 Speaker_10
This is so stressful. They won't be able to trust any of my instincts. Yeah. Yeah. And then Jimmy says, no, no, that was my idea. OK, thank God. I went, oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. He's like, we were just trying it. This is a turning point to do it.

01:05:57 Speaker_10
Yeah. In his book, he wrote like she needed to trust me. So I needed to show her like it was all calculated. I don't think the whole thing. What do I know? OK, I didn't know I was the only one auditioning for him. The hell do I know?

01:06:10 Speaker_10
I thought a ghost from the past came to tell me to be an actress.

01:06:15 Speaker_08
For people who don't know, Jimmy Burrows is, by all accounts, the very most successful director to ever be in television by a landslide. Every show you ever loved, he directed either the pilot or the whole thing.

01:06:26 Speaker_10
And still.

01:06:27 Speaker_08
It's impossible.

01:06:28 Speaker_10
Yeah.

01:06:30 Speaker_02
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

01:06:44 Speaker_08
When you're not pleasing this person, it couldn't get worse.

01:06:48 Speaker_10
That's right.

01:06:48 Speaker_08
You got to trust that he's right.

01:06:51 Speaker_10
He'll be the first to say, it's just a pitch. 50% of them don't work.

01:06:56 Speaker_08
Right, right, right.

01:06:57 Speaker_10
Wow.

01:06:58 Speaker_08
So that was a turning point and then things got better. And as you said, you grew to absolutely love him, right?

01:07:04 Speaker_10
Well, yeah. Then he was so fantastic because I did this show, The Comeback, and asked him to be Jimmy the director because it was him.

01:07:15 Speaker_08
Yeah, yeah. To act.

01:07:16 Speaker_10
And he did it. Had he ever? And he was fantastic. I think no. Wow.

01:07:21 Speaker_08
He was himself.

01:07:23 Speaker_10
Yeah. It was so great.

01:07:24 Speaker_08
Now, let me ask you this because you do it so gracefully and it appears to me that you don't ever mind it, but it occurred to me. There are things that I got sick of talking about. What is just your overall feeling about talking about friends?

01:07:37 Speaker_10
It's a blessing.

01:07:38 Speaker_08
Was there ever a period where you're like, please shut up about friends?

01:07:40 Speaker_10
No, because I'm too grateful.

01:07:42 Speaker_08
Well, that's nice though. I should have been grateful for all the things, but sometimes it took me a while to be grateful.

01:07:47 Speaker_10
That's all right.

01:07:48 Speaker_08
Okay. You forgive me? Well, I hope you do. Are you going to fire me from this table?

01:07:54 Speaker_11
But it's part of that because the experience itself was so fulfilling. Yeah, it was great. We really did get along. It's that thing that you were talking about at Groundlings where you can read when people are having fun.

01:08:06 Speaker_11
That show is so special in that way.

01:08:08 Speaker_10
We also worked hard at being friends. That six-way relationship took some work and we did it.

01:08:15 Speaker_08
What did that look like? Just like going out for dinners and stuff or being social?

01:08:19 Speaker_10
Really talking things through. If someone said something or did something, it didn't get too big because it was, can I talk to you? Usually not me because I had to learn to be, can I talk to you about something? Yeah.

01:08:32 Speaker_10
Cause I never knew that was allowed, but I saw it modeled really well by Courtney and Jennifer and Matt. Yeah. Communication, like rule number one in any relationship. Yeah. And respectful communication.

01:08:44 Speaker_08
So knowing you were entering this situation where this guy was going to direct you who had fired you recently, what was your confidence level going into that?

01:08:51 Speaker_10
Cautious.

01:08:52 Speaker_08
Now, this maybe is a rude question, but was it at all on your mind that you were the oldest member of that group?

01:08:58 Speaker_10
Yeah. By a year.

01:08:59 Speaker_08
I know. But in your 20s, that feels like something.

01:09:02 Speaker_10
Right. Well, I was 30. Right. 30 or 31. I was 30 and a half.

01:09:11 Speaker_08
Okay. Okay. 30 and a half.

01:09:13 Speaker_10
Right? Yeah.

01:09:15 Speaker_08
Oh, well I can tell you, I do math very well. No, I was, because that was 94.

01:09:18 Speaker_10
May of 94. July is my birthday, so I wasn't 31. I was 30. Yeah, you were 30. Oh my God. It's this kind of detail that is fascinating.

01:09:27 Speaker_08
Now it means nothing. But when you're 30 and this is your big shot and you've been chipping away and it's hard and you got fired before, the stakes feel so fucking high. You don't know at that point you're going to follow Seinfeld, do you? Or do you?

01:09:39 Speaker_08
Like, do you know this thing's going to be given the best shot imaginable?

01:09:42 Speaker_10
No, shooting the pilot?

01:09:43 Speaker_08
Yeah, of course, they hadn't picked it up. Yeah.

01:09:45 Speaker_10
No, they hadn't picked it up. By the way, here's what a bad judge of is a show going to be successful or not. I was like, it's cute. Right. I mean, it's not Seinfeld is sort of groundbreaking comedy.

01:09:57 Speaker_10
I'm just glad it's on NBC because I've got a recurring role on Mad About You. I got to protect that.

01:10:03 Speaker_08
Yeah, and you were playing your own twin. I didn't know that until today.

01:10:06 Speaker_10
That's because when they put us on, they put us on right after Mad About You. It ended up being such a great crossover, though.

01:10:14 Speaker_08
OK, good. We have kept it from you until this moment. I don't think you've done a great job.

01:10:19 Speaker_11
Thank you.

01:10:20 Speaker_08
If Monica has a religion, it is friends. Oh, she talks about it every fucking episode.

01:10:26 Speaker_11
Even yesterday I was thinking, I was like, are we going to even talk about it? Oh my God, what do you want to say? I don't know what to say because I don't think there's any way for me to really tell you how important it was to me.

01:10:37 Speaker_11
I mean, we have a stanza in there of Matt Damon and me.

01:10:40 Speaker_08
It's Matt Damon and friends.

01:10:42 Speaker_11
It was Good Will Hunting and friends that changed my whole, whole life. Oh. I had every episode VHS taped. I myself VHS taped. I had a color coded system. I had 31 tapes. Oh, my God. The night of the finale, I had a A.P. test the next morning.

01:11:00 Speaker_11
Couldn't care less about the A.P. test. Was up till like 3 a.m. watching the Letterman or whatever you guys did that night and rewinding it.

01:11:07 Speaker_10
Oh, my God. No, it was like a once in a... Huge. Who knew there'd be an Internet and then you can think about it and it would present itself to you again. Exactly.

01:11:16 Speaker_08
You couldn't miss it. You could not miss it. Hence the must see TV. You really, if you didn't see it, you're fucked.

01:11:21 Speaker_11
There's never going to be something like that again.

01:11:23 Speaker_08
You're absolutely fucked. Your life's over. If your fucking timer on your VHS didn't go off as planned.

01:11:29 Speaker_10
Oh my God. Yes.

01:11:30 Speaker_08
That was Sopranos for me.

01:11:32 Speaker_10
So special. And it was funny. These people were really funny.

01:11:35 Speaker_08
In anticipation of you coming, I was trying to isolate why I didn't give that show a chance. I simply didn't give that show a chance.

01:11:42 Speaker_10
Yeah.

01:11:43 Speaker_08
And I imagine it's because I was in my 20s trying to be an actor and something about that is something maybe I wanted and I don't know. I have no explanation for why.

01:11:54 Speaker_10
Can I offer something that would have been me had I not been on the show?

01:11:58 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:12:00 Speaker_10
Well, if absolutely everybody loves it, it might not be for me.

01:12:04 Speaker_08
Thank you.

01:12:04 Speaker_10
You think you're different. I've got a different sense of humor.

01:12:08 Speaker_08
A thousand percent. There's first, why didn't I give it a shot? But then once it was off to the races, I could never join on late. I was too punk rock in my own mind.

01:12:15 Speaker_11
I was in middle school and I was trying very hard to be like everyone. Right. Everyone was watching Friends, and I think it was like, I like this thing that everybody else likes. I'm like everybody else, and I'm also going to like it times a gajillion.

01:12:28 Speaker_11
I'm going to like it the most. I'm going to know everything about it. I'm going to be perfect at liking this, which I did do.

01:12:33 Speaker_08
It's so true. I had the luxury of I looked like everybody, so all I wanted to do was be different.

01:12:38 Speaker_11
Yeah, and I wanted to be the same.

01:12:38 Speaker_08
And Monica was different. And all she wanted to be is like everyone else. So it's like anything anyone was doing, I was out. I still have to tell myself, you're acting like you're 12 years old right now. And it's OK to like something everyone likes.

01:12:50 Speaker_10
Yeah. I only watched Everybody Loves Raymond during COVID.

01:12:54 Speaker_08
There you go.

01:12:54 Speaker_10
And then I watched Big Bang Theory and went, oh, my God, that Sheldon's the best character I've ever seen in my whole life. Right. Right. There's a thing about being in the cool club that gets in your way.

01:13:06 Speaker_10
I don't know if it was the cool club when I was on Friends. I wasn't watching anything. I was working and was the only one to get married and have a kid.

01:13:14 Speaker_08
Season three, you had a child.

01:13:16 Speaker_10
Yeah. Was it? Yeah. We'd get together and watch the episodes and stuff. And then like what you were saying about you have a kid and everything shifts.

01:13:24 Speaker_10
everything drops about 10 pegs on the list of priorities because it's that transition also into being a parent. I don't transition well, so it takes up a lot of my attention.

01:13:37 Speaker_10
And then also that was around the same time I started getting cast in movies while I'm doing Friends and I'm a mother for the first time. And it was just a little too much. Yeah. So I wasn't watching anything.

01:13:50 Speaker_10
I was done with the what's groundbreaking comedy. And the other big shift for me was after 9-11, I'd be driving back from Warner Brothers. Yeah, we were at Warner Brothers. And people used to stop at a stoplight and go, ah, hey, you know, look at you.

01:14:09 Speaker_05
Look at you. Look at yourself in the mirror. It's you.

01:14:14 Speaker_10
And after 9-11, I don't know why this always makes me want to cry too. They'd pull up and I'd look over and they're looking at me and they weren't like, ah, they just mouthed, thank you. Like very somberly. And that's when. It really sunk in.

01:14:32 Speaker_10
I couldn't watch CNN anymore because all it was, was who died. Who was in New York? Who was near the towers? Who was in the towers? Everyone knew someone in the towers. And I had this weird dissociated event.

01:14:46 Speaker_10
I was watching Will and Grace and I went, oh yeah, oh, thank God. I went, oh wait, but it's in New York. Oh God, who did they know in the towers? And then went, oh no, no. I'm in TV. I know they shot this before 9-11. So it hasn't happened yet.

01:15:02 Speaker_10
And then I went, no, this isn't real. it will have never happened here. And it was like, oh, thank God. Thank God I can go somewhere that didn't happen.

01:15:17 Speaker_10
And that's when any kind of comedy, snobbery, any of that melted away forever because entertainment is important and it's providing a huge mental health service and it is important.

01:15:33 Speaker_08
I agree in having done some things that weren't my comedic tone and to see how appreciated there are by people and recognizing like, oh no, everyone's entitled to laugh. Everyone deserves a laugh. There's no hierarchy.

01:15:45 Speaker_08
There's no great comedy and bad comedy. If you make people laugh, that's it.

01:15:49 Speaker_10
And also, why did I want to do this anyway for me? No, because when people are laughing and enjoying themselves, it's something you're doing. That's what the thrill is.

01:16:00 Speaker_08
Sorry to keep going like trauma style, but. Additionally, for me, that's when I'm safe. If all the men in the room are laughing at me, no one wants to fight. No one's hitting anybody. We're at peak safety when everyone's laughing.

01:16:16 Speaker_10
That's the personal level, too, for me.

01:16:19 Speaker_08
Right. Probably is hard to see it as a gift, but I think it's really hard to understand the integration your stuff has in people's life. It's too abstract. I don't even know that it's even healthy to know it.

01:16:29 Speaker_08
But to be given that moment at the light, that weirdly is kind of helpful in computing what it really means. Yeah. You're not at work feeling special. You're like, oh, let's go out and save the world tonight.

01:16:41 Speaker_10
No, but we were always aware there's the task at hand. We got sort of over publicized. What is overexposed?

01:16:50 Speaker_08
Yeah. Saturated.

01:16:51 Speaker_10
I couldn't think of overexposed.

01:16:52 Speaker_08
Yeah, that's all right.

01:16:53 Speaker_03
You got there. That was a big word.

01:16:55 Speaker_08
You're being a little hard on yourself. It took about one second.

01:16:57 Speaker_03
It should have taken.

01:16:59 Speaker_08
You know what it is, is I think your obligation is you do want to honor those people. And part of how you honor them is accept what they're telling you.

01:17:08 Speaker_10
Yes. Also, we were overexposed. Everyone was excited at the network, at the studio. We were on every talk show. And so then it just became the joke.

01:17:17 Speaker_10
Matthew Perry was the first one who said, like, we feel like we need to get the word out that we're on, which was insane. And so then we were asked to do some commercial or something else. And we just went, we're so overexposed.

01:17:32 Speaker_10
And how are we going to fix this? And then it was, we don't need to fix it. They're still watching the show. We just need to focus on the task at hand, which is doing this show and doing it the best we can.

01:17:47 Speaker_10
And the writers and producers feel the same way. And there were conversations just about, I don't know, is this getting a little too weird? You know, like with the writing, but everyone just got refocused on Make it good. Yeah.

01:18:00 Speaker_08
Don't forget what this is all about. Being great at that taping. Let me just scan here. Okay.

01:18:06 Speaker_10
I'm getting shaky. It's too much energy. I'm talking too much. I'm like convulsing. Is it the nicotine?

01:18:12 Speaker_08
No, she hasn't had nearly enough is my argument. Yeah, you need to steady yourself.

01:18:17 Speaker_10
Well, I can't chew and talk.

01:18:19 Speaker_08
Yeah, you can.

01:18:19 Speaker_11
Do whatever.

01:18:20 Speaker_10
We edit. Okay. Come on now.

01:18:23 Speaker_08
I'm going to be really rude while you reload. I'm going to go pee-pee. Is that okay?

01:18:27 Speaker_10
Yeah. Potty right there.

01:18:28 Speaker_08
You want to get out of here?

01:18:29 Speaker_10
I want to pee at some point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, go ahead.

01:18:33 Speaker_08
It used to.

01:18:36 Speaker_11
That would be so weird. We didn't have a door on that for many, many, many years. It was wide open, so. You got the door.

01:18:44 Speaker_10
Why do I feel like I was here before?

01:18:46 Speaker_11
You've never done it. To our chagrin. No. The guy who used to live here was a big Scientologist. And he had a podcast?

01:18:57 Speaker_10
And she had a podcast. Yeah, she did. She had a cat podcast. I'm just remembering doing a podcast. And it was, yeah, you can use the bathroom. And it's like, this is a curtain. Maybe it's deja vu.

01:19:09 Speaker_11
Oh, ours wasn't a curtain. It had nothing. A precognition. That's right.

01:19:13 Speaker_10
Of post-cognition.

01:19:14 Speaker_11
Like your cosmic voice.

01:19:16 Speaker_10
Mm-hmm. That told you. I feel like an idiot.

01:19:18 Speaker_11
No, what do you mean?

01:19:19 Speaker_10
I do believe sometimes things just make themselves known to you.

01:19:23 Speaker_11
We believe that. Obviously, you resisted it for so long and this is your life. It's not a weird thing to think. it's added up to being exactly that.

01:19:30 Speaker_10
I mean, haven't you had things happen that you can't explain and come on?

01:19:34 Speaker_11
That's when we talk about the Sim. I think that all the time, even this.

01:19:37 Speaker_07
You want to go for real?

01:19:39 Speaker_11
Yeah, go to the bathroom.

01:19:40 Speaker_10
Yeah, it's too much.

01:19:41 Speaker_07
Okay, I'll tuck you back in.

01:19:44 Speaker_10
Oh, but this has to come off.

01:19:45 Speaker_11
Yeah, you'll take that guy off. Oh my God.

01:19:48 Speaker_10
I'm down on my knees.

01:19:49 Speaker_08
You keep talking for me. Are you an introvert or an extrovert?

01:19:54 Speaker_10
No, you're not talking enough.

01:19:55 Speaker_08
No, are you kidding?

01:19:55 Speaker_10
You're talking enough.

01:19:58 Speaker_08
Get your head straight in there and come out and talk more. Did it overflow from the toilet? Sometimes I wonder if it will.

01:20:14 Speaker_03
Do you ever?

01:20:15 Speaker_08
Sometimes, especially doing this, I rarely, like, that's actually a sign to you that I feel comfortable around you. Generally, I'll sit here and be miserable, and then the guest leaves, and I've peed for three minutes.

01:20:27 Speaker_08
Where I'm like, oh my God, I cannot believe this.

01:20:28 Speaker_10
Wasn't that like five or 10? That was under 60, I think. Wouldn't it be funny if I thought, I think that was about 10 minutes.

01:20:35 Speaker_08
I would be a little nervous.

01:20:36 Speaker_11
Mixed with the shakiness, we might need to get you to your brother. Oh my God!

01:20:40 Speaker_08
Yeah, can I just call your brother really quick? Do a little pet scan?

01:20:44 Speaker_11
That's so cool that he followed in the family footsteps and became a neurologist. That's very fancy. That's like Vassar.

01:20:51 Speaker_08
Just like Vassar. He must have gone to Vassar.

01:20:53 Speaker_10
Everyone at Vassar when I was there was like, yeah, I didn't get into Yale.

01:20:58 Speaker_08
I have just a few more questions.

01:20:59 Speaker_10
Oh, no.

01:21:00 Speaker_08
Sorry about this. And then we're moving on to your new show. Oh, bear with me.

01:21:03 Speaker_10
I was like, I wonder if maybe we don't know.

01:21:06 Speaker_08
We're going to talk about that.

01:21:07 Speaker_10
Actually, because I love just chit chat.

01:21:09 Speaker_08
I genuinely loved it.

01:21:10 Speaker_10
We like to chit chat.

01:21:11 Speaker_08
One question is there are some people that get famous and they had some training. They have some experience being the most popular person in school. And then there's introverts. They get famous. And I think it's a little bit different of an experience.

01:21:27 Speaker_08
There's no prior experience where it's like, yeah, everywhere I go, everyone wants to say hi to me. It's very foreign. Interesting. Let's take Matthew McConaughey, who I love. He's so comfortable being famous. But guess what?

01:21:40 Speaker_08
He has been famous since he was born. He was Little Mr. Texas, we found out. Really? And every girl liked him in school. He had a lot of training to be kind of a door.

01:21:50 Speaker_11
People are looking at him all the time.

01:21:51 Speaker_08
Yeah, he's hot shit. So by the time it happens, he's kind of had some practice. And then you take other people that were like, I'm hesitant to say this, but I'll give the example of Edward Norton.

01:22:00 Speaker_08
He was a fucking genius bookworm, and now he's the most popular guy in the world. It's a much different new experience, I think, for some people than others.

01:22:07 Speaker_08
How did that transition for you feel when all of a sudden you were like one of the six most popular people in America?

01:22:15 Speaker_10
Globally.

01:22:16 Speaker_08
Was there like dissonance and disconnect from it?

01:22:18 Speaker_10
Yeah, it's everything. That was the beginning of online chat stuff.

01:22:22 Speaker_08
Right.

01:22:23 Speaker_10
And I could actually go on a computer and read what people are saying and how they're criticizing. Well, two of the three girls are cute. You know, like a lot of that stuff, too. And went, oh, OK, this won't help me. Yeah. Be good on the show.

01:22:41 Speaker_10
So I just immediately stopped. You were smart enough to know I'm not looking at that. Because there were some good things too that I didn't necessarily agree with. Right. Just rationally thought none of this needs to be taken to heart or too seriously.

01:23:00 Speaker_10
Very nice when people appreciate what I do. Not everyone will. Okay. That was pretty intact.

01:23:06 Speaker_08
Yeah, it takes some people decades to or never come to that. Oh, yeah. Or never.

01:23:10 Speaker_10
I do not need to know what people think.

01:23:13 Speaker_08
And we say what people think of you is none of your business.

01:23:16 Speaker_10
That's such a great saying.

01:23:17 Speaker_08
It's kind of true.

01:23:18 Speaker_10
It is none of my business. But what I have found. is. It depends on mood isn't even the right word. It's like a frame of mind. And I couldn't even define what that frame of mind is. But I can watch the same thing and think, that was funny. Oh, good.

01:23:35 Speaker_10
And then another day, the same thing and say, why did I think that was good? How have you been getting away with doing this for so long? Oh, my God.

01:23:50 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:23:51 Speaker_08
Right. It's the exact same footage.

01:23:53 Speaker_11
Yeah, again, it has nothing to do with what you've done. It's everything to do with what you feel.

01:23:56 Speaker_10
Well, also, if I'm doing a character and I see a glimpse of me and mostly there's a lot of me in everything I do. Yeah. I can tell the difference. If I watch The Comeback, I have no problem watching that. That's a different human being from me.

01:24:11 Speaker_10
I'm proud of it. It's all good. Friends, sometimes like, uh-oh, you just did a voice, basically. That wasn't acting. That wasn't anything. It was just like, I don't know.

01:24:20 Speaker_03
What?

01:24:22 Speaker_10
And then I don't want to shit on it because people like it. And I'm not saying you're an idiot for liking it or anything. It's just for me, it's what I tried to do is out of respect, not even just for me, but for people who do like that.

01:24:39 Speaker_10
It's like, okay, so can you forgive yourself? You didn't think you were so great at the acting. It was good enough for a lot of people. And can you just do that? Can you forgive yourself is like, and then the answer is, well, of course I can't.

01:24:55 Speaker_08
It's so hard, though, to forgive yourself, isn't it?

01:24:57 Speaker_10
But don't you forgive everyone? I mean, performance wise, someone will have just a moment in a performance and I'll go, oh, well, I forgive it because the rest of it is so great. Oh, my God. Yep.

01:25:09 Speaker_08
I am ultra aware of those things.

01:25:11 Speaker_10
The big thing for me now is, I don't even know if I should say it out loud. Of course you should. Can I forgive myself for not having some work done on that phase? Can I forgive myself for getting older and not doing something about it?

01:25:29 Speaker_10
Cause I watch him like they've got a jawline. Am I supposed to have a jawline?

01:25:33 Speaker_08
Did I do this wrong?

01:25:34 Speaker_10
Even into my 60s? That thing that comes up is, wait, should I, am I supposed to, are you allowed?

01:25:41 Speaker_08
Is everyone but me doing this right? That's the thought I have.

01:25:44 Speaker_10
Everyone but me seems to be doing this. Should I? Am I allowed not to? Or is it going to be so off-putting? It's going to affect people's experience. Interesting. Watching me. I'm trying to be practical about it because clearly I haven't.

01:26:02 Speaker_11
Oh my God.

01:26:02 Speaker_10
Here we go.

01:26:04 Speaker_11
You look exquisite.

01:26:06 Speaker_08
Again, call your husband. Let's go to the bathroom.

01:26:09 Speaker_10
Well, he won't let me do anything.

01:26:11 Speaker_11
He likes your face. He won't let me. It's so crazy how we see ourselves and how other people see us. Cause obviously we look at you and I'm with your husband. I'm like, don't mess with it. It's great.

01:26:21 Speaker_11
But I also, I look in the mirror and I'm like, okay, I did. I got chin filler. You start looking and you're like, okay, I think I can start rearranging a little bit.

01:26:30 Speaker_10
And then you do it and you're like, I like it.

01:26:33 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:34 Speaker_10
Well, I did get Botox at age 60. At 60 for the first time. I went to the doctor and he's like, wait a minute, I've never checked the box for a first time in LA. You're unique. And then I hear, unique is a euphemism for idiot?

01:26:52 Speaker_08
Okay, sure. But I really relate to this bizarre zone your brain goes into where you go, in some weird way, am I not being professional?

01:27:02 Speaker_10
Yes.

01:27:02 Speaker_08
I signed up to be a fucking actor. I got to be pleasing to people to look at. Do I have an obligation? Well, am I acting like that's not part of my job, that I'm above this? And I look at peers and I go, yeah, they're doing what you're supposed to do.

01:27:14 Speaker_08
It's a very entangled experience.

01:27:17 Speaker_10
Well, another part of me wants people to then just get used to me older. Of course.

01:27:23 Speaker_11
I was going to say, do you have pride on the other end of it is pride. Like I haven't done anything, guys. That's cool.

01:27:29 Speaker_10
It's not because I don't judge anyone for doing it. I get it. And a lot of people look fantastic. Sure. But. I also am afraid that if it doesn't heal right. Yeah, it's scary. I look older and not like you.

01:27:45 Speaker_08
Older and fucked up. I think it's more complicated than people give it credit. They're just evaluating it in terms of vanity, which is fair. Some of it's vanity, but some of it's also like, you know, you do certain things.

01:27:58 Speaker_08
If you're a pilot, you get LASIK. There's things that people do. That's true. And you have this occupation. Your face is the job.

01:28:04 Speaker_11
But what's the obligation for people to see us as young?

01:28:08 Speaker_10
Why is that owed? It's maintained. Interesting. Because once there's work that is not trying to make you look 20, AI can do that for me. But it's just making you look looked after, cared for. Kept up.

01:28:23 Speaker_08
Yeah. I've got some stuff in my fridge. Let's play with some injections before you go.

01:28:28 Speaker_10
Yeah. Injections are the safest thing to do.

01:28:31 Speaker_08
I'm going to give you some injections and then give you a tattoo.

01:28:33 Speaker_10
I think the surgery.

01:28:34 Speaker_08
When your husband says that was the podcast, you go, I don't know what happened.

01:28:37 Speaker_10
I don't know what happened.

01:28:38 Speaker_08
I'm a new person.

01:28:40 Speaker_10
He's like, what's going on with your jaw? It felt like it was okay for some reason.

01:28:46 Speaker_08
I think it's his height. I just trusted him. I have no other explanation that he's tall.

01:28:50 Speaker_10
He's very commanding.

01:28:54 Speaker_08
Okay. Another question I had is when it became so publicized, how much money you guys were making, did you witness any impact on your interpersonal relationships? And that being so public, was there fallout from that?

01:29:09 Speaker_08
So again, I think that's another one. That's like, it's probably more complicated than people would fantasize about.

01:29:14 Speaker_10
family and friends. No. I think it was always, if you're going to be an actor, the hope is that you make enough to not do another job. And this was like, the show's really good and you're good, but this is winning a lottery.

01:29:28 Speaker_10
That's how it was sort of looked at. But you mean like asking for money and doing stuff? If it did, I'm not remembering. Or that's what's not registering to me. The only, there were, I don't remember what I was even going to say. Okay.

01:29:41 Speaker_10
Because I thought of one thing and then another thing knocked it out. And then, but there was something. Damn.

01:29:48 Speaker_08
Maybe on your next trip. Okay.

01:29:50 Speaker_10
A year ago. Hey, I know what it was. Okay. The thing is, I think for all of us, and especially at that time, right, it's like 20 years ago, that's when it was money being publicized.

01:30:00 Speaker_03
The last two years. Yeah.

01:30:01 Speaker_10
That it's, I don't want people to know that. And for me, the biggest impact was at my son's schools.

01:30:08 Speaker_10
As he was getting older, our society was moving into what's privileged class, where the other people in his school had assumptions about his family based on what's been known.

01:30:21 Speaker_08
Public knowledge. Yeah. You guys fly private to Aspen on Christmas. And that's that.

01:30:27 Speaker_10
Not once, but right.

01:30:29 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:30:29 Speaker_10
And also what they didn't know was that some of their other classmates families were billionaires.

01:30:35 Speaker_08
Billionaires. Yeah. Right.

01:30:36 Speaker_10
Yeah. But it's not known. My son's getting a lot of shit for being privileged. And then it was, hey, cool. I thought you'd get a new car. You got the old soccer mom car. Yeah.

01:30:49 Speaker_08
I wonder if you felt a discernible lack of compassion towards you at any point, because you were just known to have all this money. Who the fuck's going to ever feel bad for you again? Because you have all this money.

01:30:58 Speaker_10
Sure. And I mean, I don't need anyone feeling bad for me. Let's say that.

01:31:03 Speaker_08
Well, I like compassion.

01:31:04 Speaker_10
Okay.

01:31:05 Speaker_08
Yeah. When I'm going through a hard time, the people that I've loved and been there for, I would want them to be there for me.

01:31:10 Speaker_10
You're still a person. Yes. Oh, I know what you're saying. Sometimes there's been hints of, you know, if there's a stressful time around something personal, sometimes I feel a whisper of, well,

01:31:22 Speaker_08
But also, you're rich.

01:31:23 Speaker_10
You can afford to do this.

01:31:25 Speaker_08
Buy your way out of this problem.

01:31:27 Speaker_11
Yeah, to buy away out of this emotional problem.

01:31:30 Speaker_08
This problem with your husband, have you thought about giving him a couple million dollars, see if that makes it go away?

01:31:36 Speaker_10
And then it's just, of course, that's what's plaguing you right now. Maybe I need to have a little more empathy about that. But the only time ever I did a Who Do You Think You Are? Because I produced the show and I was the first one to shoot it.

01:31:48 Speaker_10
And I'm in Belarus and learning about how my family was killed by death squads during the Holocaust.

01:31:54 Speaker_08
Your dad's grandmother, your great great grandmother.

01:31:57 Speaker_10
Great grandmother. and kids and family and whole town. And so I'm learning about that. And I'm talking to this old woman who had been there. She's not Jewish. That's why she survived.

01:32:07 Speaker_10
And I'm just surrounded by this whole darkness of it and getting slightly angry. So this woman in between shooting in Russian and she just said, you're from America? Yeah. You have nice teeth.

01:32:23 Speaker_10
And I went, yeah, she didn't have any teeth at all in her head. I said, yeah. And she said, you're rich. And I said, yes, yes, I am. And I was so, yes, I am.

01:32:34 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:32:36 Speaker_10
I'm so proud of that at this moment. Yes. Because all these people were murdered and then my grandmother, they came over, they had nothing.

01:32:45 Speaker_03
And you're still here.

01:32:46 Speaker_10
Here you are and you're rich. And that.

01:32:48 Speaker_07
Yes.

01:32:48 Speaker_10
It was the only time in my life that I felt like, yes, I'm rich.

01:32:56 Speaker_08
Yes.

01:32:56 Speaker_10
I love that.

01:32:57 Speaker_08
A thousand percent. I went to Dachau with my mother when I was 16. We toured Dachau.

01:33:04 Speaker_08
And I really recommend everyone have that experience because talk about the stuff we can't figure out, or we don't understand really what's going on to stand someplace where it is still so physically.

01:33:15 Speaker_08
Accessible that the weight is so palpable is fucking weird. I've never had an experience anywhere else in my life. Like it were after an hour there, you're like, Oh my God, I gotta get the fuck out of here.

01:33:27 Speaker_10
I've never been, I don't know if I can handle it. And I could barely handle that. But I was really surprised by my reaction to being around someone who survived it, then later came back and placed a monument where the mass grave was.

01:33:43 Speaker_10
I was standing there and thinking, God, all these people were killed. And then there were the people who were shooting, who have to have had moments later on where they went, what did I do? I'm sure a lot of them just went, Jews, they had it coming.

01:34:03 Speaker_10
But how many lives were ruined on all sides.

01:34:06 Speaker_08
It's convenient to think of that group of people, some other group of people that were evil and stuff. They were normal people that were in a system and they played their role.

01:34:15 Speaker_08
And yeah, I imagine, of course, there's some monsters that were like, we didn't get enough. And then I think more often people were like, Now there's a new reality and now I see it. And what the fuck happened? I was under the spell of this.

01:34:26 Speaker_10
Even if for like five minutes when that veil is lifted, it's torture. And then they can go back and tell themselves the same story to get through it. And these weren't Nazis either, necessarily. A lot of times it was local police who were happy to help.

01:34:41 Speaker_10
Anyway, sorry, we just got there.

01:34:43 Speaker_08
You see?

01:34:43 Speaker_10
Made a dinner party. Isn't it funny?

01:34:46 Speaker_08
That's what we like to do. It's almost sadistic, but we like this part. My last, it's kind of related. I only bring it up because I wasn't on a cultural phenom, but I was on Parenthood for six years. And I fucking love those people so much.

01:35:03 Speaker_08
And I hadn't seen the show, I guess in eight years or whatever it was, and my daughter's I don't know if they wanted to see it or I suggested it, but we watched it on a vacation last year.

01:35:13 Speaker_08
From the second it started the title sequence, I started crying and it was the most cathartic, wonderful. I got to experience it in a way I almost couldn't when I was doing it. I've heard you say a couple of times that you were unable to watch friends.

01:35:29 Speaker_08
Yeah, to watch myself. Well, what I really liked is I have a bit of the same fear, which is like, I mostly just don't want to get caught watching myself.

01:35:36 Speaker_10
Well, there's that too.

01:35:40 Speaker_08
So you didn't watch it.

01:35:42 Speaker_10
I didn't. First couple of seasons, we'd go to Courtney's and watch it every Wednesday, every Thursday night. I almost said the wrong night. Yeah. Must see Wednesdays. I was just making up a word.

01:35:52 Speaker_10
It's like, it's every week, every, I don't know, just make up a word.

01:35:55 Speaker_08
Every Saturday morning we'd get together.

01:35:56 Speaker_10
Wednesday is a day. watch the show every Saturday morning, for example, every Wednesday, whenever it was on Thursday night, we'd watch it every week and then too busy. And I was pregnant. I don't know. I just stopped watching.

01:36:09 Speaker_10
And there are episodes I've never seen. Wow.

01:36:11 Speaker_08
And it's almost impossible to avoid if any show is on at all times of the day. In fact, one of the only fights I ever got in when I was still dating Kristen, we didn't live together yet. I went to her house.

01:36:21 Speaker_08
This is back when a DVR only had like 20 hours of storage. And I like go to watch some show we had and she had all these roommates and someone had recorded and put a season's pass on friends. And I'm yelling in the house.

01:36:32 Speaker_08
I'm like, whoever put this on the DVR, you don't need to just turn the TV on.

01:36:38 Speaker_09
It's on. You don't need to record it. It's literally on all day. No, you need to record it.

01:36:43 Speaker_08
And then Amy Hansen, our sweetest friend, came around the corner.

01:36:46 Speaker_11
And a true angel.

01:36:47 Speaker_08
An angel. She goes, I'm sorry. And I go, you were doing it. You should definitely keep recording. I felt so terrible.

01:36:54 Speaker_11
Yeah, that's the worst thing you've ever done.

01:36:55 Speaker_08
But anyways, you can't even avoid that. You can't go channel surfing and not see it.

01:37:00 Speaker_11
It's so comforting.

01:37:01 Speaker_08
Yeah, but you started watching it again.

01:37:03 Speaker_10
Well, when Matthew passed away, I started watching. I mean, there were marathons. It was part of the process for me. And boy, I really appreciated it and how fun. Well, I knew he was funny always anyway.

01:37:18 Speaker_08
Yeah, Conan knows the most.

01:37:21 Speaker_10
If for no other reason than to torture Conan. But he just was so funny. And I'm like, God, LeBlanc is hilarious. Oh, Jennifer, my God, that's so good.

01:37:32 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:37:33 Speaker_10
Come on, Courtney. How were you never nominated for an Emmy? That's insane. And Schwimmer. Yes. Oh my God. Come on. It was just this whole appreciation. I went, I've got to watch all of them. Yeah.

01:37:46 Speaker_08
Did you cry when you're watching it?

01:37:48 Speaker_10
I cried when there was a marathon on and I caught, I mean, I'm not watching it like on max from season one. I tried. I don't know if I can do season one, but maybe season two or three, my husband's like, can we watch and watch it? Like, okay.

01:38:03 Speaker_10
And then something about me was like, I can't.

01:38:06 Speaker_08
You feel like it's too self-indulgent?

01:38:08 Speaker_10
Yeah, but I feel like I need to watch all of them. So anyway, the episode where Phoebe got married is on, and I'm watching it, and I got so caught up that I cried watching her, because she looked so happy. Yeah, she was so happy.

01:38:23 Speaker_10
She had such a real smile. She was just, I've never seen Phoebe that happy. You could remove yourself. It's she. Yeah. It's for sure she. It's for sure-sh.

01:38:36 Speaker_08
It's seashells by the seashore.

01:38:38 Speaker_10
Who wouldn't be happy marrying Paul Rudd? Well, and then there's that, but it really touched me.

01:38:43 Speaker_11
I was so happy for her. I'm glad you got that moment. That's what everyone felt. That whole series is like, we know them.

01:38:49 Speaker_10
Did you cry when she got married?

01:38:51 Speaker_11
I cried so much. I was like, I know them. They're my friends. They're saving me from feeling lonely. That one glimpse you got is what people had for 10 years. So lucky for us and grateful to you guys for that.

01:39:08 Speaker_08
So I knew him through sobriety.

01:39:11 Speaker_10
That's where I start chewing my gum.

01:39:13 Speaker_08
Yeah. Yeah. This is where I need my nicotine. Yeah. Yeah. Look, what us addicts put everyone that love us through is rough.

01:39:21 Speaker_10
Yeah.

01:39:22 Speaker_08
If I were you, I would want to see the version, like, let's put it this way. And I can compare, I think it's a good comparison, cancer. So my father, he had a lot of health issues towards the end.

01:39:31 Speaker_08
There's a whole decade of his life he was really on the decline. When I have dreams about him, I have dreams about him in his like forties. I want to see his vibrant, virile self. And I miss it so much.

01:39:42 Speaker_08
And I guess I think if I loved an addict and I had to see the whole thing, I would be grateful to get to go back and see it before it had like taken its toll.

01:39:53 Speaker_10
Right. I, this will sound odd, am more comforted that he was happy the day he died. He got to die happy. And to me, that was a gift. It could have gone a much different way.

01:40:11 Speaker_08
Yeah. I think people, they have a category addict. It's really incomplete. It's a spectrum. I've loved people in the program that I could recognize who they got it worse than me.

01:40:22 Speaker_08
And I've had friends in AA where I would say, yeah, the weight of the world is heavier on your shoulders than it is on mine. And it's pretty heavy on mine and I can see it and feel it and it's heartbreaking and I don't envy you.

01:40:35 Speaker_08
And I have a lot of compassion because you really are dealing with more than I am and I can feel it. I'm sad for that.

01:40:40 Speaker_10
Yeah, it is complicated, you know, but I loved that Matthew I first met and the one at the end, because God love him. This is you and I love you. Yeah, I accept that this is you. Yeah, I understand. And so did he.

01:40:55 Speaker_08
I didn't even watch the show, but I got to be around him a lot. And he has a lot of quotes I keep with me. One of them is, I've spent my whole life making everyone like me. I haven't really asked myself what I like. Oh, I can relate to that.

01:41:08 Speaker_10
Yes. I thought the sentence was going to finish a different way.

01:41:11 Speaker_08
Oh, you did.

01:41:12 Speaker_10
I've spent so much of my life making everybody around me like me.

01:41:17 Speaker_08
and no time making myself like me. Yeah. It's the same thing, really. Not asking yourself what you like is very similar to you haven't figured out what you like and you're not trying to make yourself like yourself.

01:41:27 Speaker_10
But it's not like, what do you like about yourself? It's accept yourself, love yourself. That was, to me, the whole thing about fame isn't going to give you that. Just because everyone else is loving you.

01:41:40 Speaker_08
It weirdly compounds it. And that makes you hopeless because the thing that was going to make you love yourself didn't work. And now we're out of options.

01:41:48 Speaker_10
It exacerbates it. But the answer is simply, you're not only allowed to love yourself, you've got to. It's like required. You're all you've got. Ultimately, it's so nice that people love you, but it doesn't work if you don't love you.

01:42:05 Speaker_08
It can work temporarily for me. Okay, your show, No Good Deed. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. It's fantastic. I'm gonna ask you- You've seen it? Yes, I watched today. While I was working out, I watched three episodes.

01:42:16 Speaker_10
I can't wait to watch it.

01:42:17 Speaker_08
You're gonna fucking love it, Monica. I can't wait. Really? I'm so excited. Yes, because it's very, and I don't know if you'll agree with this comparison, it's weirdly very Murders in the Building.

01:42:27 Speaker_10
Ooh. Oh, interesting. Wow. Exciting.

01:42:31 Speaker_08
It's great. So Liz Feldman and I were in The Sunday Company together.

01:42:35 Speaker_10
Oh my God. It all goes back to the groundlings every time.

01:42:39 Speaker_08
It circles back. All roads lead back. Wow.

01:42:41 Speaker_10
Did she create it? Yes.

01:42:43 Speaker_08
She created it. She had also created Dead to Me. Oh, amazing.

01:42:46 Speaker_10
Which was Christina Applegate, Linda Cardellini.

01:42:48 Speaker_08
Had you known her prior to this?

01:42:49 Speaker_10
No. I was just told, so we have an offer for you to do this Netflix show. Interesting. Tell me more. It's a limited series, which you can do, because I was committed to something else at the time. I went, OK. It's Liz Feldman, who did, I said, Dead to Me.

01:43:06 Speaker_07
You knew.

01:43:07 Speaker_10
I know. Well, this sounds like a yes. Well, let's tell you a little more. You'll be married to Ray Romano. Well, of course, yes. Yeah. He's such a good actor.

01:43:18 Speaker_08
So again, back to Parenthood, that's where he did his first kind of dramatic work. He was awesome. I got to direct him in an episode.

01:43:25 Speaker_07
I loved Parenthood. Oh, you did? I saw every one of them. Oh my goodness. Okay. You were keeping that very tight. I should have said that before. No, it's probably best. There wasn't a moment.

01:43:32 Speaker_08
There were a lot of moments. Remember I told you I rewatched the whole thing and I cried and you were like, oh yeah, it was really good.

01:43:36 Speaker_10
I was going to and then I forgot. Remember how I kept saying there's something I want to say and I can't remember what it is?

01:43:41 Speaker_08
That's what it was, that you're a super fan of Parenthood. But yeah, he was incredible on Parenthood, right?

01:43:46 Speaker_10
Yes. Heartbreaking. He's so good.

01:43:50 Speaker_08
I'll add what a dude. He has no ego to walk into Parenthood season, whatever it was. Yes. That's fucking hard. You were on a show that had your name in the title.

01:44:00 Speaker_10
Which was your whole story.

01:44:01 Speaker_08
Yeah. And then you walk in and you're like 23rd on the call sheet this morning and you can't wait to act.

01:44:07 Speaker_10
Yes. Did you see that Netflix movie, him and Mark Duplass? I can't remember it was called because the name of it has nothing to do with what it was about. Thank you. Paddleton.

01:44:18 Speaker_10
Oh, maybe that was someone's name, but to me that has nothing to do with what it was about. And that was just world changing to me.

01:44:27 Speaker_08
He's incredible. He's almost a Duval. Like he's just alive there and it's real.

01:44:31 Speaker_10
Effortless. So I was thrilled.

01:44:34 Speaker_08
You have such rhythm. Oh, good. Oh, big time. And you have a lot of heavy lifting. You should see the list, because you don't get sent screeners and get told what's embargoed. But the list of things I can't say is comical. I've never seen a list so long.

01:44:48 Speaker_11
Oh, because spoilers.

01:44:49 Speaker_08
But I think we can say from the get-go, you and Ray Romano are married, you're empty nesters, and you're going to sell this terrific house.

01:44:57 Speaker_08
It's a very LA story, because this has happened to a lot of people, where you accidentally end up with a house that's worth like $5 million. And they're in this situation. And they're going to sell the house and it's a great device.

01:45:07 Speaker_08
You meet all these characters that are coming in to tour the house and they all want it. And by the way, the house is so great. It made me want the house so bad.

01:45:16 Speaker_10
Me too. It's perfectly beautiful. That was a set on two stages. The first floor is on one stage. Second floor is on another stage.

01:45:24 Speaker_08
But you have heavy lifting without giving anything away.

01:45:26 Speaker_10
So you're selling the house, is that all we can say? And there's some secrets. Okay.

01:45:30 Speaker_08
There's a lot of secrets.

01:45:30 Speaker_10
There's stuff going on.

01:45:32 Speaker_08
It's my favorite kind of story where it's unraveling. You're just two people selling a house, you're having a great, then this weird thing happens and this happens and this happens. These people are weird.

01:45:40 Speaker_08
And all this stuff is getting kind of peeled back in every episode. You're like, oh, okay. But first and foremost, and this is the thing I was saying about you living in your house for so long.

01:45:49 Speaker_08
I can really relate to, without knowing anything else, just the notion of handing over this place that has given you almost all of your most beautiful memories is such a bizarre notion.

01:46:02 Speaker_08
When I think about our own house right now and like all the memories we're having with these little kids, it's a very weird thing to do.

01:46:09 Speaker_10
To me, the woman I'm playing has got to be unstable because that's nothing like me.

01:46:14 Speaker_08
You could walk away from your house of 27 years right now and be fine. You're a psychopath.

01:46:20 Speaker_10
Well, home are the people you're with and you claim a space. So wherever we live next, I'll claim it. It'll be ours. It's fine. Here's the weird thing that caught me by surprise.

01:46:30 Speaker_10
My brother and sister and I found out that our house that we grew up in in Tarzana was for sale and there was an open house. And let's just go. And the three of us went to the house and I thought, I can afford to buy it, I think. Should I just buy it?

01:46:45 Speaker_10
Yeah, buy it. I want it back. I think I should buy it.

01:46:49 Speaker_08
I must buy it.

01:46:50 Speaker_10
You buy it? No. Oh, because at first it was like, I want it back. We were having so much fun. It's like, yes. Oh, my God. And that's the same. And remember, we blank and we did that. And I remember the time I got thrown across the room.

01:47:02 Speaker_10
And yeah, it just got really dark. This is where dad used to hang his belt. We were having the best time, but by the time we were sort of done touring it.

01:47:13 Speaker_08
You were over it.

01:47:14 Speaker_10
I was done. This is for someone else's memories.

01:47:17 Speaker_08
Also, what you think you're buying is a teleport device back to those fun memories. I discovered this in the weirdest way with Nintendo. So I had Nintendo in seventh grade. It's the only year I ever played video games.

01:47:29 Speaker_08
I had such a fun year with my friends playing these new video games. And then as an adult, eBay came around and I was like, Oh, I could get a Nintendo and all those old games. And I ordered all the stuff and it came and I hooked it up to my TV.

01:47:41 Speaker_08
I couldn't figure out why it wasn't giving me anything. And I realized it's not the game I missed. It's seventh grade I miss. It's like my friends and I doing the thing. And I think I can get it back by having this object.

01:47:53 Speaker_10
It's what you cared about while you were playing that game.

01:47:57 Speaker_08
But truly, the show's fucking fantastic.

01:47:59 Speaker_10
That's great. I don't have objectivity. I watched the first one and immediately forgot I was in it and went, I can't wait to see the next one. So that to me was a great sign. That's a huge sign.

01:48:09 Speaker_06
Yeah.

01:48:10 Speaker_10
By the way, blew through your wife's show. Who didn't? Everyone did. Literally everyone.

01:48:16 Speaker_08
You know who mostly blew through it? Dads.

01:48:19 Speaker_10
Really?

01:48:19 Speaker_08
Isn't that inexplicable? That's who we hear most from.

01:48:23 Speaker_10
That's fantastic, because it's a romantic comedy.

01:48:26 Speaker_08
Yeah, it's kind of encouraging.

01:48:29 Speaker_10
That is the best news I've ever heard. I mean, truly, right? My husband loved it. Well, there you go. He said, can we watch more of that? I was like, yeah. That's not what he sounds like. I don't know who I just did.

01:48:41 Speaker_08
What does he sound like? You must be able to do a great impersonation of him.

01:48:43 Speaker_10
No, I wouldn't mind watching more of that one. It's okay. He's foreign?

01:48:47 Speaker_08
He's French. Does he make love to you so good?

01:48:52 Speaker_11
That is very attractive.

01:48:54 Speaker_08
My only regret in life sexually is that I didn't make love to a French woman.

01:48:58 Speaker_10
Okay.

01:48:59 Speaker_08
Cause I have a whole, no, I think this is worth exploring.

01:49:02 Speaker_10
French women probably instruct. Oh, okay.

01:49:05 Speaker_08
That's you going. You're supposed to be somewhere else. Okay. Listen, I am so sorry. I'm sorry. This was really too long.

01:49:11 Speaker_10
Okay.

01:49:14 Speaker_08
You sure? I don't think it's fine.

01:49:15 Speaker_10
It's my publicist. Why haven't you left yet?

01:49:19 Speaker_08
It can't still be going on. Okay. Lisa, what a fucking joy.

01:49:28 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:49:32 Speaker_08
We had David Schwimmer and I'll tell you our funny joke. He had to cancel cause he had an ear infection and Robbie said he had Schwimmer's ear.

01:49:43 Speaker_10
That's hilarious.

01:49:44 Speaker_08
It's really good. That's so good.

01:49:46 Speaker_11
Oh, shoot.

01:49:47 Speaker_08
You gotta respect the fact that. He's so great.

01:49:49 Speaker_11
But you're the best one. So we're glad to have you.

01:49:54 Speaker_08
No, I'm not.

01:49:55 Speaker_10
Oh, I can't wait for you to meet everybody.

01:49:57 Speaker_11
But this was such a treat.

01:49:59 Speaker_08
It was. Thank you so much for spending so much time with us. Everyone watch No Good Deed. I know you don't care. Numerically, what could be better? 12 plus 12 is 24.

01:50:11 Speaker_10
24, 24. We like that.

01:50:14 Speaker_08
Everyone watch No Good Deed. It's absolutely fantastic. Everyone's fantastic on it, and it's perfectly written, and the score is impeccable. Thank you, Lisa Kudrow.

01:50:23 Speaker_06
Thank you. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's gonna let him have the facts. It's 11, 11.

01:50:37 Speaker_08
Oh, okay. Hold on. I really want to think on this. Did you have one?

01:50:53 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:50:55 Speaker_08
Oh, wow. I want to know so bad. Don't you want to know? Yeah, but... You're not allowed to know other people's wishes. No. That's a weird part of wish culture.

01:51:03 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:51:04 Speaker_08
Why is it that telling someone your wish would make it not come true? It's superstitious. I know, but why? I don't know. What's the logic behind it, Monica?

01:51:11 Speaker_11
Why are you taking your shoes off?

01:51:13 Speaker_08
Trying something new.

01:51:14 Speaker_11
Do you do multiple wishes in one minute or do you just do the one?

01:51:19 Speaker_08
You go several?

01:51:20 Speaker_11
I do as many as I can.

01:51:21 Speaker_08
Oh my God, that's a great idea. I might switch to that.

01:51:24 Speaker_11
It's a little panicky.

01:51:25 Speaker_08
And do you, let me ask you this. Do you want to tell me your wish? Is that another part of it? Like, I want to know it. By hunches, you want to tell me.

01:51:32 Speaker_11
No, not really.

01:51:33 Speaker_08
Oh. Okay, great.

01:51:36 Speaker_11
They're pretty, Basic, like my wishes are very similar to my prayers.

01:51:42 Speaker_08
Great hair, great skin. Can we pause for a second? There's a board issue. Oh, wonderful. He's bored. He was telling us he's bored.

01:51:55 Speaker_11
I said, we need a new topic.

01:51:57 Speaker_08
He should have a, like some kind of button where he's back there. And he's like bar it's boring. Click. Does this mean we're recording or not? Probably not.

01:52:06 Speaker_11
Oh, I hope so. Cause 11, 11.

01:52:07 Speaker_04
I mean, I have a backup recording and theory should be working, but on the computer, it's not.

01:52:14 Speaker_11
Interesting. I feel like, Rob, your wish should have been that there was no technical problems.

01:52:21 Speaker_08
Wouldn't it be such a sad wish for Rob? It's just, it's one of them. We were free to wanna ride a unicorn on a. That was yours? Snow-capped mountain. And Rob's gonna be like, please, no technical glitches.

01:52:33 Speaker_11
Well, mine, some of mine are.

01:52:35 Speaker_08
Work-related?

01:52:36 Speaker_11
Often, yeah.

01:52:37 Speaker_08
Yeah, same.

01:52:40 Speaker_11
Oh.

01:52:41 Speaker_08
I guess you're right. Go ahead, Rob. Make your wishes about technical proficiency.

01:52:45 Speaker_04
It's working. I don't know what that was.

01:52:47 Speaker_11
Weird. Okay. The wish came true.

01:52:50 Speaker_08
I bet the computer made a wish on 11.11, which is like, I wish I could stop computing. Oh. And then it's wish came true. Then Rob was like, bullshit.

01:52:59 Speaker_11
His overrides the computer's wish.

01:53:01 Speaker_08
You don't get wishes. You're a computer.

01:53:03 Speaker_11
What do you think the robot would wish for?

01:53:05 Speaker_08
to be a boy. That's, you know that. For God. Yeah, his wish is right on his sleeve. He wears his wish on his sleeve.

01:53:15 Speaker_06
He's so cute. How do you think he's- It's 11, 11. Time to make my wish once again. I wish I was a boy. I never tire of making this wish.

01:53:30 Speaker_11
Do you think he's feeling a little uncomf with- AI? Yes. And chat GPT and like metaglasses and- I'm excited for AI.

01:53:42 Speaker_06
They will be superior to me. I will seem so charming as if I'm a flawed human being.

01:53:49 Speaker_11
Oh, that's very... And that's an interesting take.

01:53:51 Speaker_08
Glass half full.

01:53:52 Speaker_11
Yeah, he's very optimistic.

01:53:54 Speaker_08
He is. He'll seem like a clumsy dum-dum. Yeah. Which is very much what a boy is.

01:53:58 Speaker_11
Right.

01:53:59 Speaker_08
So very boy-like.

01:54:00 Speaker_11
Okay.

01:54:00 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:54:00 Speaker_11
I like that.

01:54:01 Speaker_08
How was your fitting?

01:54:03 Speaker_11
It was nice. It was? We're shooting a commercial tomorrow.

01:54:05 Speaker_08
Yeah, it's very exciting. Co-stars.

01:54:08 Speaker_11
Yeah, I know, it's very fun.

01:54:09 Speaker_08
It is fun.

01:54:09 Speaker_11
We shot a commercial once before together a very long time ago for the city of Los Angeles.

01:54:16 Speaker_08
That is right. Or California.

01:54:18 Speaker_11
The state of California or the city of Los Angeles, I don't know.

01:54:21 Speaker_08
California Tourism, I believe. And we were up at the observatory, ding, ding, ding, when I was about to, I was gonna tell you what I just did this morning, but that'll put on pause.

01:54:29 Speaker_11
Okay.

01:54:30 Speaker_08
What's your biggest memory from that California tourism shoot we did together?

01:54:36 Speaker_11
Well, I was wearing like a really specific dress.

01:54:40 Speaker_08
And?

01:54:40 Speaker_11
Christian said.

01:54:41 Speaker_08
Yeah, that's my number one memory. So we work with a guy all the time. Yeah. And he, he saw, he got shook.

01:54:49 Speaker_11
He saw me in a new light.

01:54:51 Speaker_08
He saw you in a whole new light. He was so shook. It was hilarious.

01:54:58 Speaker_11
Well, understandably, because especially up until that point, I was a little assistant running around in sweat pants.

01:55:07 Speaker_08
I was gonna say, you were in your pangaea phase, or just prior.

01:55:10 Speaker_11
It was before pangaea.

01:55:12 Speaker_08
Yeah, but it was like, always bedtime look.

01:55:15 Speaker_11
Not really. I mean, when I would show up to the house, I'd look cute, but everyone saw me. You know, it's all very interesting, actually. This is psychologically interesting.

01:55:23 Speaker_08
Go on.

01:55:23 Speaker_11
When I was an assistant, I liked fashion the same amount. That hasn't changed.

01:55:27 Speaker_08
Correct.

01:55:28 Speaker_11
But I think when I was an assistant, no one thought that or, you know, they were just like, oh, she's just like a little girl and she gets groceries and she- No one thought you got groceries. She gets chicken nuggets.

01:55:46 Speaker_08
Dino nuggets.

01:55:47 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:55:48 Speaker_08
I'm going to challenge that from a guy's perspective. We don't have a status thing. If we see a hot woman, it's not like we're like, ooh, she's the janitor. We don't think that way. We just go, ooh, hot. I don't even think about it.

01:56:01 Speaker_08
I'm just like looking at them and I go either aruga. No, don't do that. That's a cartoon noise from Bugs Bunny. It's okay.

01:56:11 Speaker_11
Some people really do it.

01:56:12 Speaker_08
No, that's not even a cat call. Even the worst guy is not yelling out his window. Arooga! Now there's other bats.

01:56:20 Speaker_11
Yeah, someone yelled at me the other day and it was awful.

01:56:23 Speaker_08
This is a brag. I did yell at two guys. I was at a crosswalk and there were two dudes in a truck and this gal was at the corner and they started hussing and I got involved.

01:56:34 Speaker_11
You did?

01:56:35 Speaker_08
Yeah, yeah.

01:56:35 Speaker_11
What'd you say?

01:56:35 Speaker_08
I'm not gonna, I don't like when I show that side of myself. You've seen that side of me.

01:56:39 Speaker_11
Well, did you say a slander?

01:56:40 Speaker_08
I was like, hey, motherfuckers, have some fucking, you know.

01:56:43 Speaker_11
Respect?

01:56:44 Speaker_08
Some respect, yeah, have some manners. Shut the fuck, like I, you know.

01:56:48 Speaker_11
Oh, I like it.

01:56:49 Speaker_08
I kind of snap, like get a hold of yourself. You're acting like a couple of fucking dogs.

01:56:54 Speaker_11
Wow, you're so mixed messies.

01:56:56 Speaker_08
Tell me more. Like, I'm a human being who's attracted to people. It's just what you do with that attraction.

01:57:03 Speaker_11
I know that. I'm glad you said that.

01:57:05 Speaker_08
And that's why I've chosen arugula, because I feel like that is a playful, cartoony way. You're right.

01:57:11 Speaker_11
I'm glad you did that.

01:57:12 Speaker_08
Now, if I went boing, boing, boing, that's rough. That says I have a boner. The other one, it says I have an old-timey horn somewhere on me.

01:57:18 Speaker_11
Okay.

01:57:19 Speaker_08
Right?

01:57:19 Speaker_11
Yeah, that's true. Now, I like that you did that.

01:57:24 Speaker_08
Okay.

01:57:24 Speaker_11
I bet that woman felt protected. So that's nice.

01:57:28 Speaker_08
Yeah. I hope she did.

01:57:30 Speaker_11
Was it Kristen?

01:57:33 Speaker_08
No, no, no. I was exercising, someone else was in an exercise outfit. These two guys were letting it rip.

01:57:39 Speaker_11
I see. I didn't think that was cool.

01:57:41 Speaker_08
That's really nice. But I am making a decision in that moment. There's two guys.

01:57:45 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:57:45 Speaker_08
They might hop out of the truck. There's a lot of thin slicing going on. I'm like, I'm going to tell these guys to shut the fuck up. This is crazy. Yeah. There's two of them. they're a light, maybe they're gonna get out. Okay, I guess I'm up for that.

01:57:57 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:57:57 Speaker_08
And then I go, I'm up for that.

01:57:58 Speaker_11
That's the part I don't like, because I don't want you to get injured. Right. But I also like that you protected.

01:58:05 Speaker_08
This is the problem with life in the world and the planet. Yeah. It's a messy fucking place. Contradiction. Sometimes a bad decision is mildly better than the other thing that's correct.

01:58:14 Speaker_11
Yes, that's right. That's true. Yeah, one of the biggest memories I have in my life

01:58:23 Speaker_08
Christian noticing.

01:58:26 Speaker_11
No.

01:58:26 Speaker_08
Giving an arugula.

01:58:27 Speaker_11
It's also funny though, because I was wearing like a very sparkly dress, kind of like a ridiculous looking dress. I didn't pick it. And so for that to be the thing.

01:58:39 Speaker_08
Well, you can see this though. Yeah. Do you think your dress, and now it's changed to yet again, but do you think your dress evolved from when we first met you? Because I think it did.

01:58:51 Speaker_11
That's what I'm trying to say. I mean, look, in some ways, yes, because my financial situation has changed.

01:58:59 Speaker_08
I think your confidence situation changed a bit too.

01:59:02 Speaker_11
Oh, sure.

01:59:03 Speaker_08
I think you felt more comfortable being who you are, what you have.

01:59:08 Speaker_11
Yeah, but then the more oversize I get,

01:59:11 Speaker_08
See, now that's what I'm saying. Then it pivoted again. Now you're like, I'm in a sleeping bag. Yeah, it's so cute.

01:59:18 Speaker_11
Yeah, I don't know. But I just, I mean, he had never seen me in a dress and then he'd also never seen me in full glam. That was also probably part of it. I was in heels. It was a look, but that was a fun commercial.

01:59:32 Speaker_08
Yeah, that was funny. I'm glad we had the same memory of it.

01:59:35 Speaker_11
I only do because you, he said it to you.

01:59:39 Speaker_08
Of course.

01:59:40 Speaker_11
And then you, of course, repeat, you passed along the compliment.

01:59:43 Speaker_08
Always want you to know.

01:59:44 Speaker_11
Yeah, and I think you mentioned it a few times and so that was my last.

01:59:49 Speaker_08
I really wanted to sink in. Yeah. I'm gonna add Christian's a handsome man. Very. Yeah. Yes. Very handsome man.

01:59:57 Speaker_11
Okay, but a memory I have, I was at a light, I think I've talked about this before, but I was at a light, it was red, it had a no turn on red sign.

02:00:06 Speaker_02
Right.

02:00:07 Speaker_11
And there was someone behind me and he was honking. And I was not gonna move.

02:00:13 Speaker_08
Yeah, you won't be peer pressured.

02:00:14 Speaker_11
Yeah, but it was getting like aggressive. And then there was a man on the street.

02:00:20 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:00:21 Speaker_11
And he like looked at the guy and was like, it's not, she can't go.

02:00:25 Speaker_08
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:26 Speaker_11
And I loved it.

02:00:27 Speaker_08
Yeah. We have a diminished role in this world, but one of the roles is to keep the younger, cuckooer versions of ourselves in check out in public. They want to freak out in their house like Tonka. Go nuts.

02:00:41 Speaker_08
But when you enter society, you got to tighten it up.

02:00:44 Speaker_11
Yeah, I think that is a good thing for men to do for other men.

02:00:49 Speaker_08
Yeah, yeah. Okay, now the reason I was just at the observatory.

02:00:52 Speaker_11
Oh.

02:00:53 Speaker_08
I'm trying. This is a New Year's resolution that I started last week.

02:00:56 Speaker_11
Okay.

02:00:57 Speaker_08
I want to be able to ride my bicycle, my cute road bike I told you about that's green and yellow. A lot of people ask me to post pictures and I need to. So I did it for the first time, I guess, four days ago on the break.

02:01:10 Speaker_08
I rode from here and my thought was, I'm going to ride as far up the hill as I can get.

02:01:15 Speaker_11
Hold on. Hold on.

02:01:17 Speaker_08
And then not up the hiking trail.

02:01:18 Speaker_11
Oh, that's what I'm asking. Okay.

02:01:20 Speaker_08
Up Ferndale.

02:01:21 Speaker_11
Okay.

02:01:22 Speaker_08
You know, it twists all around and then how you would drive to the observatory.

02:01:26 Speaker_11
Okay, got it.

02:01:27 Speaker_08
And my hunch was like, when you leave the house, it's immediately incline up the side street and then up Ferndale. When you get to the stop sign, I'm like, I already know when you're hiking, you're winded by the time you get there.

02:01:38 Speaker_08
So I'm like, maybe I'll get to the stop sign, then maybe next time I'll get to the first turn and so on and so on. Well, on my trip last week, I got all the way to the final stretch, like maybe a block.

02:01:51 Speaker_08
I did have to get off and walk the last like half block or block up to the very top.

02:01:58 Speaker_11
Wow.

02:01:59 Speaker_08
My thighs were... is dense is like a microwave. They were so, I've never, they've never been that inflated with blood or whatever was going on. They were just so pumped up. Wow. So I did that. And then this morning I'm like, I'm going to do it again.

02:02:17 Speaker_08
So I did it again this morning and I didn't have to walk.

02:02:20 Speaker_11
You did the whole thing?

02:02:21 Speaker_08
Yeah, I was kind of shocked with just one trip up, because the first trip up was bonkers. This trip up was good. It was a hard workout, but my legs didn't get like locked.

02:02:31 Speaker_11
Wow. And you think maybe you'll ride to the moon soon?

02:02:35 Speaker_08
I hope I know ride to the moon, yeah, and by 2026.

02:02:37 Speaker_11
That's so nice.

02:02:41 Speaker_08
I'm the first person to climb Everest on a bicycle, on a road bike.

02:02:46 Speaker_11
That's awesome, congratulations.

02:02:47 Speaker_08
Thank you. Oh, I brought it up, not just, I didn't bring it up to brag, but I also brought it up because the most insane thing was happening on the entire trip up this morning. It was an SNL sketch and it wouldn't fucking stop for 25 minutes.

02:03:01 Speaker_08
So I'm huffing up the hill. I'm in the highest gear. I'm like, ah, and I have headphones in, I'm listening to stuff. And I hear something just to the left of me a little bit. And I like, look, and it's like, it's really close.

02:03:12 Speaker_08
It's a dude with dreadlocks and a backpack and he's on an electric fucking scooter. And we're going roughly the same speed.

02:03:20 Speaker_11
Sure.

02:03:21 Speaker_08
It's maddening being next to a dude on a scooter. He goes ahead of me. Now he's ahead of me. Then he gets to a stop sign. And I think he maybe had to put more money on the scooter because now he's got his phone out.

02:03:36 Speaker_08
And I think he didn't have cell service, whatever. I then pass him. I'm now riding. I forget about him. 12 minutes later, I hear something. I look over. I'm like, oh my fucking God. And I don't have it in me to go faster.

02:03:49 Speaker_11
Because you wanted your alone space?

02:03:51 Speaker_08
There's something that was so- Invasive. Well, it was the awkwardness of it, but then it was also the humiliation of a guy in this little scooter passing me.

02:04:02 Speaker_11
It's electric.

02:04:02 Speaker_08
Because I'm going like three miles an hour up this steep hill. It just was crazy. Imagine you see a guy taking a nap, passing you on your hike. Like it just felt like that. Like, well, how is this guy and I doing the same thing? Yeah.

02:04:15 Speaker_08
We passed in, I bet five times. Um, did he pass me right at, he passed me at entering the parking lot to the observatory. He did win. Wow. Yeah. But what, it was comical.

02:04:29 Speaker_11
This reminds me, fights, bikes, running. Remember earlier this year, my running situation with the dogs and the people.

02:04:39 Speaker_08
And the people congregating.

02:04:41 Speaker_11
Yes. Now I drove by the other day. Okay. Let me see what I can find.

02:04:48 Speaker_08
Wow, there's gonna be photographic evidence.

02:04:51 Speaker_11
This was the area, okay? There's now a sign up that says, no dog walking, private property.

02:05:00 Speaker_08
Oh, did you put that up?

02:05:02 Speaker_11
No, I didn't. But that would have been a good move. But also, it goes to show

02:05:08 Speaker_08
You weren't the only person inconvenienced by that. Correct. Yeah.

02:05:12 Speaker_11
Correct. I felt very validated by this sign.

02:05:15 Speaker_08
I bet. Vindicated.

02:05:17 Speaker_11
They were just there? That's not even their house. Oh my.

02:05:23 Speaker_08
I didn't think ever that was their house. Did you?

02:05:26 Speaker_11
I guess if I was being generous, I thought maybe one of them, that was their area.

02:05:30 Speaker_08
Yeah. That was the thing that happened when we used to live on Los Feliz Boulevard. I would come out and someone just be having like a picnic on the front yard. They'd have a blanket out. They might be asleep. Sure. It's interesting.

02:05:45 Speaker_02
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

02:05:57 Speaker_11
Okay, I do want, I have an update, sort of. Okay. Not really. And I wasn't really gonna say this, but I am. A couple of fact checks ago, we talk about a dream I had.

02:06:10 Speaker_08
Oh, yes, yes, yes. About Jagers. Cagers, Jages.

02:06:13 Speaker_11
Jagey. Jagey.

02:06:15 Speaker_08
Dream. A dream.

02:06:16 Speaker_11
Let's be, let's like make it so clear. that I was talking about a dream.

02:06:23 Speaker_08
That's right.

02:06:24 Speaker_11
I got a very disgusting email from somebody. Also, like, do not email me.

02:06:29 Speaker_08
Me? Me too.

02:06:30 Speaker_11
The less emails I get in general, the better. But this random person emailed me and said- I think you should read it. The subject is, geez, dot, dot, dot, be an adult, exclamation point, exclamation point. Okay.

02:06:45 Speaker_08
Then it just says- Really quick, just already, I want to have a grievance.

02:06:48 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:06:49 Speaker_08
This is the definition of being an adult. When you're a kid, you don't even think about this. This is exclusively for adults. So just right there, problem number one, continue.

02:06:59 Speaker_11
Yeah, she said, go to your doctor and convey, I know it's a woman.

02:07:05 Speaker_08
I know, and I'm interrupting you too much, but you already have a look on your face, which I love. When you're reading it, you're her.

02:07:12 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:07:12 Speaker_08
Yeah. So you're like this. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

02:07:15 Speaker_11
Okay. Go to your doctor and convey your concerns instead of making your personal hygiene issues a problem for your audience. You never cease to amaze me, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. You are such a constant child.

02:07:29 Speaker_11
Not go to a doctor because you know better, MD after your name, God, but you're tedious. Okay, so none of that makes any sense and it's really mean.

02:07:38 Speaker_08
It's not grammatically great.

02:07:40 Speaker_11
Yeah, also MD after my name, what does that even mean?

02:07:43 Speaker_08
But let's just, let's treat this as if it's a real piece of advice. I want to give this person a day in court. So what she or he, she is requesting is that you go to your doctor and you say, I had a dream my vagina smelled.

02:07:59 Speaker_08
He's gonna go see a psychologist. Why are you here? Does your vagina smell? I don't think so. I had a nightmare that it did, and the love of my life was put off by it.

02:08:11 Speaker_08
That's what she wants you to do is go to the doctor and tell him you had a dream about your vagina?

02:08:15 Speaker_11
I guess.

02:08:16 Speaker_08
I'm gonna start going to doctors to tell them about my dreams.

02:08:19 Speaker_11
Yeah, I mean, I'm so tedious. Also, why do you listen? Go away.

02:08:26 Speaker_06
Well.

02:08:27 Speaker_11
No, I 100% stand by that. If you're the type of person who's gonna send an email like that, I prefer you do not listen to this show or me or engage with me ever again. I understand. You actually don't have permission.

02:08:41 Speaker_08
I understand. I have a different take

02:08:45 Speaker_11
Go ahead.

02:08:45 Speaker_08
Yeah, which is like people, I'm one of them. I used to kind of hate listen to Rush Limbaugh.

02:08:52 Speaker_11
Okay.

02:08:53 Speaker_08
People hate listened to Howard Stern. Like they just, they wanted to hear what he said so they could be mad about it and they could go to work and they could talk about what a misogynist piggy was. And it was like, it's, it was their hobby.

02:09:04 Speaker_11
Yeah, that's a sad way to live.

02:09:05 Speaker_08
He still got those ratings. They still had to listen to his message. Some of it definitely sunk in. So I don't mind. I don't mind. I don't mind if you're an incel listening that's hating me. That's great. Keep listening.

02:09:21 Speaker_11
Nah. No.

02:09:22 Speaker_08
And that's good, that's fine.

02:09:23 Speaker_11
I understand you, I get what you're saying. Okay, and I get what you're saying. No, no thanks.

02:09:29 Speaker_03
Yeah.

02:09:29 Speaker_11
You don't get to, or you do get to, because it's a public show, so you can do whatever you want, but the idea that you opened an email, I mean, I didn't understand half of what that meant, so I think this person is unhinged.

02:09:43 Speaker_08
They're probably, yeah, they've probably got a lot of stuff going on.

02:09:48 Speaker_11
Can you say that it was mean?

02:09:50 Speaker_08
Oh, absolutely. Well, it's so ridiculous and silly and stupid. Like it's mostly just embarrassing. That email is so embarrassing.

02:09:59 Speaker_08
If I sent that email to the host of a podcast and didn't want to accept she was talking about a dream, it's just, it's embarrassing.

02:10:08 Speaker_11
But even not just the part about the go to the doctor, like you're tedious, you never cease to amaze me, you're a child.

02:10:16 Speaker_08
Well, again, that to me confirms. So she has a story about you, which was at the end of the email. Her story about you is that you're tedious. And so anything you say is gonna be tedious. So the fact that you said you had a dream

02:10:31 Speaker_08
That has to be tedious because her story about you is that you're tedious. And so she's backed herself into this crazy corner where what she's saying doesn't even make sense. Go see a doctor about your dream. It's so, I mean, it's such a stupid email.

02:10:46 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:10:46 Speaker_08
Yeah. It's mean, but mostly it's stupid. Let's go into the psychology of it.

02:10:51 Speaker_11
Okay.

02:10:52 Speaker_08
This really doesn't work because I already, I think the story part is really relevant, but my hunch is she has something going on vaginally. Why is that such a hot, like, why did that trigger her so much?

02:11:03 Speaker_11
Yeah, I think it triggered people. I got a few nice responses that were- I only read nice ones. Oh, that's nice. But I mean, like a person in my life reached out and said, oh, I use this. And I was like, it was a dream.

02:11:20 Speaker_11
Like I freaked out and they were like, oh, sorry. Oh, but then- I know, I was like, no, no, I know, I'm sorry. I was like, I got a bad email and I guess I think everyone thinks that and I wasn't I actually don't think that about myself.

02:11:37 Speaker_11
I could be wrong, because that's, again, the fear. But the dream was a fear about being unlovable.

02:11:45 Speaker_08
That's right. And unworthy. Exactly.

02:11:48 Speaker_11
And broken and gross.

02:11:49 Speaker_08
That's right. Fundamentally flawed. Like, okay, he passed, somehow I fooled him with this, and I fooled him with this, and I fooled, but eventually the truth will be discovered.

02:11:57 Speaker_08
And the last thing that he didn't have access to, that he finally discovered was, of course, the deal breaker.

02:12:03 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:12:04 Speaker_08
It makes a lot of sense.

02:12:05 Speaker_11
Yeah. It's just a metaphor for like, I'm not good enough.

02:12:09 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:12:10 Speaker_11
So I think people do struggle with this issue.

02:12:13 Speaker_09
Oh, absolutely.

02:12:14 Speaker_11
And there turns out there are a lot of products on the market.

02:12:18 Speaker_08
OK, great.

02:12:18 Speaker_11
So people can check that out.

02:12:19 Speaker_08
Are they oral or are they you put them in you? Oral. Oral. Yes. Interesting, that's encouraging.

02:12:25 Speaker_11
Well, I think it's like prebiotics are supposed to be helpful.

02:12:30 Speaker_08
Now here's the thing, I do think, I think I'm right about the good comp is this fear of erectile dysfunction.

02:12:36 Speaker_11
Uh-huh.

02:12:37 Speaker_08
No one would send me a mean email if I was talking about erectile dysfunction.

02:12:44 Speaker_11
Well, they don't think you're tedious, they think I am.

02:12:47 Speaker_08
Well, even let's take her out of it. I think I think there are there are many people that would clutch their pearls when you're talking about a vagina in public. And I think that's crazy.

02:12:58 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:12:59 Speaker_08
I get real. And I don't think it's. It's not dudes. Equivalent. Also, it's not dudes saying it. I don't know.

02:13:06 Speaker_11
Yeah, that's interesting.

02:13:07 Speaker_08
It is, because I think what makes sense is like, it's a fear. So when you're talking about it, God knows what it is. She shouldn't say that, I would never say that. You're doing something that scares the fuck out of them.

02:13:18 Speaker_11
Exactly, that's right.

02:13:20 Speaker_08
Yes, so that makes sense. And then maybe if anyone was going to have an issue with my erectile dysfunction conversation, it was a dream. It would probably be a guy. Like, dude, shut the fuck up. No one wants to hear about your limp dick.

02:13:33 Speaker_08
It would probably be a guy.

02:13:35 Speaker_11
Yeah, it is. People feel threatened somehow.

02:13:39 Speaker_08
I get this, by the way, if I can own one of the worst parts of me. I was thinking it in terms of, in fact, I just, I think I saw the person driving and I was like, what is my problem with this? Why don't I, what is my issue with this person?

02:13:54 Speaker_08
And it is that they present so fragile and vulnerable and weak.

02:14:01 Speaker_10
Interesting.

02:14:02 Speaker_08
And when I see them moving through the world that way, it like gives me this deep, I just can't imagine presenting this way. I would just be so afraid everyone was going to take advantage of me and harm me.

02:14:16 Speaker_08
So like my own stuff, I can't even handle when someone's like just presents is crazy fragile. It's really, it triggers my fear of myself presenting that way.

02:14:32 Speaker_11
And that's introspective.

02:14:34 Speaker_08
I think some element of homophobia is in there as well, which is like, you're a young boy, and again, I'm only going to speak for my generation. And we just had a guest on yesterday. We talked about the power of that.

02:14:46 Speaker_08
And I want to add, like, yeah, there'll be straight guys like me or this guest we had talking about having been molested and the implications that you're gay and you feel gay and then you'd be dead, like your whole school, you'd be dead.

02:14:57 Speaker_08
But I think some element of homophobia for some guys is it's not even maybe that they hate that two guys are going to hook up in their house.

02:15:07 Speaker_08
It's that when they see them presenting as gay, they imagine like, oh my God, that's what I've been trying to avoid my whole childhood to be masculine and butch and tough. And it scares them, like to see it scares them.

02:15:24 Speaker_08
Fuck, if I was acting this way, I would be so called out and, you know.

02:15:29 Speaker_11
That's probably true. When people are themselves, a lot of people find that very threatening.

02:15:35 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:15:36 Speaker_11
Yeah. Or maybe there's like a deep jealousy. Yeah.

02:15:40 Speaker_08
Well, what they are, they're holding in their true selves because they've told themselves, if I show my true self, I'll be excluded. And now here's this person showing their true selves and they're not being excluded. They're being embraced.

02:15:53 Speaker_08
It's like very threatening to your core.

02:15:54 Speaker_11
Like they feel like it's unfair.

02:15:56 Speaker_08
Yup. It shouldn't be that way. Cause I know if I did that, I would be excluded. So why is this person getting away with it? It's like, oh, it's like, why are they getting to do something that I'm not allowed to do?

02:16:04 Speaker_08
And then, yeah, I think that's what's going on a lot of the time.

02:16:08 Speaker_11
Yeah, me too.

02:16:09 Speaker_08
Who triggers you?

02:16:10 Speaker_11
when people walk around with a victim complex, I am so disturbed by it. I also, I find it annoying because I guess I feel like you're not everyone, like everyone has issues. Just stop.

02:16:27 Speaker_08
Yeah, the world is not conspiring against you any more than it's conspiring against.

02:16:32 Speaker_11
Exactly.

02:16:33 Speaker_08
I guess it is. Granted, there are classes where the, if you're a black female,

02:16:37 Speaker_11
Of course.

02:16:37 Speaker_08
Yeah. But in general, just living life.

02:16:40 Speaker_11
Victims don't trigger me. People who walk around with the victim complex, that's a different thing. That's like everything is, they're a victim or the world is doing this to them or they can't figure it out and it's everyone else's problem.

02:16:56 Speaker_11
It's everyone else's problem but theirs.

02:16:58 Speaker_08
It's also a great tool in the narcissist kit.

02:17:02 Speaker_11
It is.

02:17:02 Speaker_08
It's like when they've clearly fucked up and they clearly owe someone an apology, They figure out how they're the victim. And now they just switch their story to how they've been victimized.

02:17:12 Speaker_11
There's a lot of people who are very quick to be the victim in this world. And yeah, I'm not talking about real victims. And I find it so off-putting. I don't know. I don't really know what it is, why it's so... Well, for one, it's contagious.

02:17:33 Speaker_11
There's that. I think there's something about walking around like that and being so negative and all this is happening to me. It's hard to be around that and maintain a level of happiness.

02:17:45 Speaker_08
Yeah, you're almost inclined to meet them there.

02:17:50 Speaker_11
It's a horrible feeling.

02:17:51 Speaker_08
I know, I just got this thing.

02:17:53 Speaker_11
This bad thing happened to me too.

02:17:56 Speaker_08
I wonder if there's something for you in the fact that you were presented a fork in the road as a little kid, and you could have gone home every day and told your mom, no one likes me because I'm brown.

02:18:11 Speaker_08
Or you could learn cheerleading and force them to be around you and like you.

02:18:16 Speaker_11
I was thinking that, and I thought it sounded a little arrogant. But I do think that's what it is. There's a part of me, and this isn't necessarily fair, but there's a part of me that thinks, I figured it out, so can you.

02:18:29 Speaker_03
Right.

02:18:29 Speaker_11
Again, not to everyone and not to people who are victimized.

02:18:34 Speaker_06
Sure.

02:18:34 Speaker_11
These are people who are victims in their brain.

02:18:36 Speaker_08
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:38 Speaker_11
There is a way to look at the world differently. And I know it from experience.

02:18:43 Speaker_08
I think for me, mine is ultimately incredibly self-centered because it's really just my irritation or fear that I would present that way.

02:18:52 Speaker_08
It just seems so unattractive that when I'm around it, I just can't stop thinking about how much I would hate to be presenting this way.

02:19:00 Speaker_11
Yeah. I mean, it's just a buzzkill to be around that all the time and to feel like you have to be constantly lifting somebody up. And we all, do this, right? Like we all need to vent. We all have moments where we feel like a victim and we're not.

02:19:18 Speaker_11
I mean, all of us, it's not, but for some people, it's a way of looking at the world.

02:19:23 Speaker_08
I wonder if what could be helpful. Cause I think this is one of the, um, one of my favorite AA things, which is like learning in the fourth step, I believe. Um, that self-aggrandizement and self-pity are the same level of narcissism.

02:19:38 Speaker_11
Yes, exactly.

02:19:39 Speaker_08
Right. So I think once I really accepted that and believed that concept, for me to be doing the self-pity thing, I feel as bad as I would be talking about that I'm God's gift to this planet.

02:19:52 Speaker_08
And so I'm just like, oh yeah, that's the same level of self-indulgence.

02:19:57 Speaker_11
Anyway, it was a dream.

02:19:58 Speaker_08
Yeah, it was a dream. Everything.

02:20:00 Speaker_11
Everything's tip top.

02:20:02 Speaker_08
Yeah. JG, Jagers. Clean as a whistle.

02:20:06 Speaker_11
Don't be scared. Don't be scared.

02:20:08 Speaker_08
You ever smelt a Springfield, Jagers? You ever smelt a warm apple pie coming out of the oven, Jagers? Because that's what you're getting into when you pull them slacks down.

02:20:20 Speaker_03
Okay.

02:20:20 Speaker_08
It's like opening the door to an oven.

02:20:22 Speaker_03
Oh my God. You're hit with a waft of warm apple pie.

02:20:30 Speaker_08
Warm apple pie.

02:20:32 Speaker_11
This is for Lisa Kudrow.

02:20:35 Speaker_08
Oh, I loved Lisa Kudrow.

02:20:38 Speaker_11
What a gift.

02:20:39 Speaker_08
What a gift.

02:20:40 Speaker_11
What a dream, what a gift.

02:20:41 Speaker_08
What a blessing.

02:20:41 Speaker_11
What a blessing. A Christmas miracle.

02:20:44 Speaker_08
I knew overindexed is blessing. You probably noticed it. Oh God, really? Yeah. I love calling things a blessing.

02:20:51 Speaker_11
Are you joking?

02:20:53 Speaker_08
I like, I don't think that God's involved, but I like what that means if you do believe God's involved. Like I understand what it means, and I like that meaning. Like this is otherworldly, this is really a special treat.

02:21:06 Speaker_08
So I say it a lot, and I do wonder if it's confusing to people who know my stance on religion.

02:21:12 Speaker_11
Yeah, I'm sure it is.

02:21:13 Speaker_08
But I just feel like it really, really articulates what I feel a lot of times now, increasingly so. I'm wearing a very fuzzy sweater and somehow it just migrated into my mouth, I think.

02:21:24 Speaker_08
Or I don't know if it's psychosomatic because I can see the little frizzies. Is this in my, oh my God.

02:21:31 Speaker_11
Wait, add some to the bag.

02:21:34 Speaker_08
Oh no, that's only Harry, right? I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. By the way, we're due for, I think today we're doing another- Oh, good. Of a harvest.

02:21:40 Speaker_11
Yeah, because it's, it's dwindling.

02:21:43 Speaker_08
It's kind of disappeared in that- I know.

02:21:45 Speaker_11
I wonder, does hair- Disintegrate?

02:21:47 Speaker_08
Disintegrate? I don't think so.

02:21:48 Speaker_11
Okay, Lisa, this was such a long time coming. Our first friend, I was so grateful. I did feel like I fucked it up a little bit. There's no way to really convey the meaning of her here. And so I was kind of put in the position to try.

02:22:12 Speaker_11
And so I said, I think I said, there's nothing I can really say, but I wish I could have. I wish I could have articulated it, but I can't. It's a blessing.

02:22:24 Speaker_08
The show was a blessing in your life. It was. For sure. Yeah, yeah.

02:22:30 Speaker_11
It was life-saving. It was a life raft.

02:22:32 Speaker_08
Uh-huh.

02:22:33 Speaker_11
I don't know. There's just not there. There aren't words in the English language.

02:22:37 Speaker_08
I wonder if Lisa's thing, there's a myriad of reasons why that's hard to accept.

02:22:41 Speaker_11
Yeah, how can you?

02:22:43 Speaker_08
And let's be honest, like a lot of people feel that way.

02:22:46 Speaker_11
Of course.

02:22:47 Speaker_08
Right? So it's like even the most grounded person at some point would come to expect that that's the effect it had on people.

02:22:54 Speaker_06
Yes.

02:22:54 Speaker_08
Because you've heard that a million times.

02:22:56 Speaker_06
Yes.

02:22:56 Speaker_08
So I think you're trying to elevate, what you want to do is give this person who's very nice, I just met Monica Padman,

02:23:03 Speaker_08
I want her to know that I've received it, because really now I'm doing something for you, which is interesting, because the goal is you want to do something for her, right? You want to tell her, I really am grateful for you.

02:23:15 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:23:16 Speaker_08
Truly. Maybe that's a way to say it, by the way.

02:23:18 Speaker_11
That is a good way to say it.

02:23:19 Speaker_08
Yeah. Like, I'm just personally grateful that on this trip, you were in my sphere and you just gave me so much relief and happiness. Okay.

02:23:30 Speaker_08
But I do think that maybe she's in a position where she's got to act like it's the first time she's ever heard that or something.

02:23:37 Speaker_11
Maybe, I mean, I'm not gonna do that. Like, that's not my job.

02:23:40 Speaker_08
Right.

02:23:40 Speaker_11
To worry about the way she's gonna receive it. I'm not gonna play that game.

02:23:46 Speaker_08
Oh, yeah.

02:23:46 Speaker_11
But I am anymore. Maybe at one point in my life I would have, but whatever, I can't.

02:23:53 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:23:53 Speaker_11
But I just, I do feel what you're saying. There is nothing new I can say to her.

02:23:59 Speaker_08
To be clear, I don't think you should have not done that, just because of whatever her reaction is. I think it's good for you to be able to express your gratitude for the people that you have gratitude for.

02:24:09 Speaker_11
Me too. I mean, I guess that's where it gets heady. It's like, I want to be able to tell her.

02:24:14 Speaker_08
Yeah, and you should.

02:24:15 Speaker_11
Accurately. but I can't tell her accurately because I don't have, I really do not have the physical words to do so.

02:24:24 Speaker_08
You'd have to open your chest and invite her into your heart and let her feel what it felt like and then release her.

02:24:30 Speaker_11
There's no way. So everything you say just starts falling, is sounding dumb and trite and falling short. And it's just like, what's the point of any of this anyway? And she hears it all the time. And is it for her? Like, is it for her or is it for me

02:24:47 Speaker_08
I think it'd be okay if it was for you.

02:24:49 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:24:50 Speaker_08
I don't think that would be bad.

02:24:52 Speaker_11
I guess.

02:24:53 Speaker_08
Yeah. I guess, but I couldn't do it. I think it'd be crazy if you didn't tell people how much you appreciate them.

02:24:58 Speaker_11
I agree, and I think people should do it.

02:24:59 Speaker_08
And their reaction's their reaction. I just enjoy imagining what her reaction is or what she's going through, but in no way am I suggesting you shouldn't, I think you should do that always.

02:25:07 Speaker_11
Yeah, it's just hard to do when something's so meaningful.

02:25:11 Speaker_08
Yeah, yeah.

02:25:12 Speaker_11
And this happened with Matt Damon too. Same thing, it's like, sure, I can sit here and we can, talk about the camping trip and that, we can do it, but it's never gonna.

02:25:24 Speaker_08
Well, here's like a darker examination of it. Is part of the frustration, because this is part of mine, is like, I know Letterman, you've heard from people that they like your show, but you need to understand that, like, I like it on another level.

02:25:40 Speaker_08
There's none of that.

02:25:42 Speaker_11
It's not like, it's not a competition thing.

02:25:44 Speaker_08
Okay.

02:25:44 Speaker_11
It's not, I know, but you really don't understand.

02:25:48 Speaker_08
See, I have a tiny bit of that. That's not it. I'm like, a lot of people laugh at your show, but I'm like, oh, I can be who I am because you exist.

02:25:54 Speaker_11
Well, yeah, that's, but that's right, but that's, I think other people had that too.

02:25:59 Speaker_08
Yeah, Adam Scott had that, Kimmel had that, most people I know actually had it.

02:26:03 Speaker_11
Yes, I don't think I'm a special case, but I. I wanna be a special case though, do you? Yeah, everyone wants to be a special case. I would just wanna be a special case in life.

02:26:15 Speaker_08
juice across the board. Yeah. I just want to be a very special case.

02:26:21 Speaker_11
We should get a shirt that says a special case.

02:26:22 Speaker_08
I was thinking the exact same thing. A special case.

02:26:25 Speaker_11
Everyone is a special case. They are. Everyone is, except that lady, well, she's special, I guess.

02:26:32 Speaker_08
Very. She wants you to go to the doctor and tell him about a dream.

02:26:35 Speaker_11
It's just a disaster.

02:26:36 Speaker_08
Bukowski was right. I do think your sweater's everywhere. It is. I might have to table this guy.

02:26:41 Speaker_11
No, it's so nice.

02:26:42 Speaker_08
You know what, I have two of these.

02:26:43 Speaker_11
Oh, wow.

02:26:45 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:26:46 Speaker_11
It's really nice.

02:26:47 Speaker_08
I have two of these. This is a part of my wastefulness. Luckily, I don't shop often, but I don't ever go to a store.

02:26:54 Speaker_11
Right.

02:26:54 Speaker_08
I order online.

02:26:55 Speaker_11
And you click number two.

02:26:57 Speaker_08
I got an XL out of the gates and I was like, too big. That's a skirt.

02:27:03 Speaker_11
Oh.

02:27:04 Speaker_08
Might be a great skirt for you.

02:27:06 Speaker_11
You mean a dress?

02:27:07 Speaker_08
Yeah, a dress. Really? A mini dress, yeah. Picture this, but then longer, and then you put like a belt around it.

02:27:15 Speaker_03
Oh, wow.

02:27:16 Speaker_08
That's very 80s. Very cool. We'll try it.

02:27:20 Speaker_03
Okay.

02:27:20 Speaker_08
Next fact check.

02:27:21 Speaker_03
Okay, great.

02:27:21 Speaker_08
You'll be wearing my extra large version of this. It'll be fucking, oh, we'll both wear it. It'll be, oh my God. And it'll just look like it's snowing. Oh my God, there really is shit flying everywhere.

02:27:28 Speaker_11
Yeah, it's all right. Okay, now a few facts for her. Was Vassar the first women's college to offer science? No. The first women's college to offer science was the Troy Female Seminary in Troy, New York, which is now Emma Willard School.

02:27:45 Speaker_11
She said it opened in 1861. It was founded in 1861, but it opened in 1865. It opened its doors in 1865.

02:27:53 Speaker_08
So we're guessing then that it got founded so it could get funded and then it took four or five years to build.

02:27:59 Speaker_11
Yeah. When did Vassar become co-ed? She was right about that.

02:28:04 Speaker_08
She nailed it.

02:28:05 Speaker_11
Yep.

02:28:06 Speaker_08
She's very bright.

02:28:07 Speaker_11
Oh my God. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I mean, I'm not surprised. I don't think you can, I really, maybe this is, I'll,

02:28:18 Speaker_08
I agree with what you're about to say.

02:28:19 Speaker_11
You can't be that funny and not be.

02:28:20 Speaker_08
You can't be a great comedian. You can't. And not be pretty bright.

02:28:23 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:28:23 Speaker_08
Yeah. I mean, you can have done terrible in school, but you gotta be bright. Yes. Yeah.

02:28:28 Speaker_11
It's the timing. There's a math happening in your brain at all times when you're really performing comedy well.

02:28:33 Speaker_08
And there's a verbal dexterity to be constructing these things in a manner that is funny.

02:28:39 Speaker_11
Okay, the EZE situation.

02:28:42 Speaker_08
Oh, please.

02:28:43 Speaker_11
Okay. Now EZE went to three different high schools. He went to Compton High School, Manuel Dominguez High School, and Taft High School, which is where she went. But he dropped out in 10th grade.

02:28:58 Speaker_08
So he went to three high schools in two years.

02:29:00 Speaker_11
Correct.

02:29:01 Speaker_08
That's too many high schools. I agree.

02:29:03 Speaker_11
It wasn't for him. No.

02:29:05 Speaker_08
Um, and he was right.

02:29:06 Speaker_11
That's exactly.

02:29:08 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:29:08 Speaker_11
And, uh, so that, that clears that up. There was some confusion, right?

02:29:12 Speaker_08
No wonder she didn't bump into him. He was probably only there for a month or two.

02:29:16 Speaker_11
Okay. How tall is Ray Romano six to according to the internet?

02:29:20 Speaker_08
Made up a song last night.

02:29:21 Speaker_11
Oh.

02:29:22 Speaker_08
You know, Feliz Navidad. It's with the girls decorating the tree. Kristen's out of town, so it's just the three of us.

02:29:26 Speaker_11
Yeah.

02:29:27 Speaker_08
And it came on and I was singing. Los Feliz Dad. Los Feliz Dad.

02:29:34 Speaker_07
I go, girls, you listen to a song about me. Los Feliz Dad. Da da da.

02:29:40 Speaker_06
Da da da.

02:29:42 Speaker_07
Los Feliz Dad.

02:29:43 Speaker_06
Oh my God.

02:29:46 Speaker_08
I'm still in a sweet spot where they think I'm funny. That is great. It's gonna end my life. Like when they're 15 and 17 and I sing a Los Feliz Dad and they're like, fuck this guy.

02:29:56 Speaker_11
Don't laugh.

02:29:57 Speaker_08
I hope so.

02:29:58 Speaker_11
Don't laugh, you're funny.

02:29:59 Speaker_08
If that all happens, I'll just, and they go, what the fuck is this guy doing? I'll just walk down into the basement and I'll just stay there until my life's over.

02:30:09 Speaker_11
No.

02:30:11 Speaker_08
I'll stand in the middle of the basement. What happened?

02:30:16 Speaker_11
Listen, kids... What?

02:30:24 Speaker_08
I'm gonna be like, what now?

02:30:27 Speaker_11
What the fuck am I gonna do? Listen, kids, can you prepare yourself a little bit that kids do grow up and... And I'm not cool anymore? Eye roll a little bit, but it's loving.

02:30:40 Speaker_08
I think it's a great motivation for me to stay sharp.

02:30:44 Speaker_11
Okay, great.

02:30:44 Speaker_08
Yeah, I think it might prevent me from going down the road that many comedians do, which is like, they just get less funny. Okay. But I'm gonna be working my ass off.

02:30:52 Speaker_11
You wanna stick with the tie.

02:30:53 Speaker_08
Well, I gotta keep these girls laughing. That's my priority.

02:30:56 Speaker_11
Well, that means you can't be doing comedy from 2024 in 10 years. You gotta be like, that's not funny anymore to these people.

02:31:06 Speaker_08
That's right, I'll do that.

02:31:08 Speaker_11
OK, you said impermeable border about the house and you didn't know if you said it right. Impermeable means not allowing fluid to pass through, not liable to be affected by pain or distress. Okay, does your right hemisphere control your left hand?

02:31:24 Speaker_11
Yes. Are cluster headaches due to damage to the hypothalamus? Yes, it's related. Are migraines worse for girls? Yes. Hemorrhagic migraines, are they still called that? Hemorrhagic? Yes. She knew a lot. She made a little misstep with that science thing.

02:31:46 Speaker_08
What science thing?

02:31:47 Speaker_11
Vassar.

02:31:48 Speaker_08
Oh, sure, but we can forgive that. They probably told her that.

02:31:52 Speaker_11
I'm sure, I'm sure they did. That's on them.

02:31:55 Speaker_08
Yeah, I blame them.

02:31:57 Speaker_11
They were the first women's college to lie about being the first to offer science.

02:32:04 Speaker_08
That's a distinction.

02:32:07 Speaker_11
So that was her and it was really just very... She's a blessing. She really is a blessing.

02:32:12 Speaker_08
She is. You can believe in the word blessing without believing in God.

02:32:18 Speaker_11
I know, I worry that people who truly believe in blessings coming down from God, that they might think it's a joke. It's not. And it's not.

02:32:30 Speaker_08
No, I'm sincere about it. And I think they would be fine with it so long as they agreed it was a blessing. If I say the Big Mac's a blessing, although I think it is, look at it, man, it arrived in the fifties and it's still here. It's a blessing.

02:32:45 Speaker_08
So if you're mad about that.

02:32:47 Speaker_11
Send us an email.

02:32:49 Speaker_08
Send Monica an email.

02:32:50 Speaker_11
All right. And I'm just going to end on reminding everyone that it was a dream.

02:32:54 Speaker_08
That's a big, big dream. Yeah.

02:32:56 Speaker_11
Yeah. And that's that.

02:32:57 Speaker_08
And it's a warm apple pie. Warm apple pie.

02:33:03 Speaker_11
All right, love you. Apple pie. Okay, okay. Oh my God. Good night. I love you.

02:33:10 Speaker_05
Love you.

02:33:26 Speaker_08
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02:33:40 Speaker_08
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