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Episode: Keegan-Michael Key

Author: Armchair Umbrella
Duration: 01:59:49

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Keegan-Michael Key (Transformers One, Key and Peele, Keanu) is an actor and comedian. Keegan joins the Armchair Expert to discuss the lore of the Milford panther, growing up in Detroit, and gives a masterclass on the history of sketch comedy. Keegan and Dax talk about dark underbelly of Key and

Peele comedy, how most characters are based on basic archetypes, and getting emotional while hosting SNL. Keegan explains how important it is to stay connected with your audience as a comedian, how social media has changed the way people consume comedy, and Shaquille O’Neal pops by for a visit. Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert.

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I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman.

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Hi there.

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I'm Def Leppard. That was the thing that Katherine Hahn wanted me to say. No, I ended up listening to that episode. Oh yeah. After the fact.

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Def Leppard. Okay.

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Yeah. Def Leppard. Today with a very musical name, Keegan-Michael Key. Keegan-Michael Key.

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He's a genius.

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He is. What a blessing he is. An award-winning actor, comedian, producer, and writer. Key and Peele. Keanu. Wonka. Mad TV. Schmigadoon. And his new movie that's out right now, Transformers 1. an origin story for the Transformers universe.

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We got to hear a lot about comedy in this episode, which was really fascinating.

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As you pointed out, could have been an expert.

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Yes.

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Turns out he is an encyclopedia of the history of comedy.

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It's incredible. And we get to hear a lot about Key and Peele, which is fun.

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Yes. Great episode. Please enjoy Keegan-Michael Key.

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Oh, you're fine We were in here what were we just talking about we're talking about the business

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I'm talking about the business. Monica, why are you sore?

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Because I started with a trainer on Tuesday.

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Ah, that'll do it. Your first time with a trainer?

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Yes.

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And they're still learning you?

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That's right.

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So they're just gonna push as hard as they can the first time?

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Getting a baseline.

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Gotta get a baseline. You gotta get a baseline.

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Wabi, will you turn Keegan down in mine and me up a tiny bit? There's a nice, okay.

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There's a nice.

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There's a very nice. Pronto, prego.

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Do you know any Italian words? I know ecco. I know it is an Italian word. Okay. And I know prego, grazie. And I know womo means man.

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I don't know why.

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Which is? Woman in English. It's not funny, I try to always see what all the, this is a weird thing to say, I just said always. I always try to see what all of the similar words are in Latin languages, that's something I always do. That's always.

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You're always doing that.

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So it's womo, right, in Italian. Om in French, is that man in French?

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That sounds right, H-O-M-M-E.

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H-O-M-M-E, and then hombre, right, in Spanish. Hombre, bad hombre.

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And then we have man, it's a big departure.

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everything in our language. People go, you're so lucky to be an American. The luckiest thing about being American is that you learned this language first. This is the worst language. It has so many roots. It has Latin roots. It has German roots.

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It has Saxon roots. It has French roots. It never ceases to amaze me that a person can move from Guangzhou province and go, I'm gonna open a restaurant in Nebraska. There's Chinese restaurants in Nebraska. How? Couldn't do it.

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Could not open a burger joint in Guangzhou province.

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OK, now I'm going to counter with a couple of things. First of all, I have my grievances about this language. Spelling it makes zero sense. It's so annoying. That's the big one. That's my main issue now.

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But I'm going to hit you with something that's interesting. Get me, Dax. Two things.

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One, I've always been suspicious that Spanish was less efficient than English, based on watching shows in Spanish, seeing the English subtitle and thought, well, they talked for two minutes.

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Then we had this unique experience where they converted an episode of our show with AI into Spanish, where we're speaking Spanish. It's this full Spanish episode. Oh, really? Yes, it's incredible. That's amazing.

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But our hour and 45 minute long episode in Spanish was three hours and 20 minutes.

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Are you kidding me?

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Yes, that's the factor. A straight transcription. Straight transcription. And then we were in India getting this demonstration about Microsoft's new AI thing.

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And they were explaining to us that it costs double as much to run AI in different languages because English is so efficient. It takes way less data.

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So it's easier to train the AI in this language.

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Yes, it's cheaper. It was shocking.

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What else is shocking is that you hate this language. You talk about it all the time in a very pejorative, negative way because of your dyslexia. Yet here you are because it's your team now. Now you're sticking up for your team.

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Hold on. I have a different take on it.

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Okay.

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Which is, you know me, I just gotta go the opposite direction. Contrarian. So Kiki was like, this language sucks. I'm like, let me think of three things that are good about it.

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Let me be contrarian. I cannot argue the efficiency thing, because you mentioned Spanish, then I think about German. You know how they just add a word to another word to another word to another word, and they just make super long words. Yes.

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And then I don't know anything about Nordic language, but it doesn't look easy.

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For me, you hear a couple of French lovers whispering to each other. That's the most mellifluous, beautiful thing. Two lovers arguing over the dishwasher, and I'm getting so horny and emotional.

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And then when I hear a couple Swedes going at it, I'm like, whoo! I have no idea what they're saying, but they always sound like it's a... It sounds like a little bit of coughing to me, a lot of consonants. A lot of consonants. Consonant heavy.

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But also breathy.

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They sound like they just finished a rigorous walk. Oh my God, we just cracked the most amazing thing. They hate small talk, and it just occurred to me, it's because it's too laborious. Oh, good point. Yes, it's not that they're fucking above triviality.

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Exactly, yeah, it's just, I don't want to move my mouth.

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I don't want my mandibles to be sore. My mastoid. My mastoid. We're cooking now. That's that Milford education.

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That's what that is.

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I didn't learn a goddamn thing in Milford. It might surprise you to learn. No, I learned how to, like, suss out who I should run from and who I should fight.

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You see, I just slipped that in there. I just thought to myself, how soon do I get to the Michigan stuff?

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I'm glad you did it fast.

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Also, do you play Spades by chance? I play Spades, but I play more Euchre than Spades. Euchre's a quality game. Quality game. Do you know, Monica, this game? If you spend any time with him and Kristen, you've got to know this game. That's right.

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Where are you from?

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I'm from Georgia.

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Then they taught you, because nobody in Georgia plays Euchre.

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Never heard of it until they taught me.

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Spades heavy country.

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I didn't grow up on spades, but we have a friend who loves spades and he taught us and now we're like fully spades crazy.

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Anyways, in spades, the joker high is the thing. So Milford for you was like, you were sitting on the joker high.

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I get it. When am I going to play Milford? When in this conversation is our big cat going to come up? So I can just slip a panther situation in there, which was a ruse, right?

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You want to hear something fucking insane? I actually have the inside scoop on this. Do you really? Which is going to blow your mind. And if I were you, I wouldn't trust me, but I'll tell you regardless. Okay. And we got to bring Monica up to speed.

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You're a couple of years older than me, so you probably really were aware of its news coverage.

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Yes. I was watching it on the news. I'm from Detroit. I'm from the actual city. So Milford's a world of difference between my urban experience and his rural experience.

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Yes. And we had an inordinate amount of serial killers there. We were on the news for serial killers, and then we were on the news a bunch that there was a panther loose in Milford.

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The Milford panther.

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The Milford panther. People even made shirts, and it would pop up in the news occasionally, right?

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It was almost as if the newscaster said, and if we've forgotten, the Milford panther is still on the prowl.

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Okay.

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I'm Mort Cribb. Or another thing would happen in Milford that defied explanation, and the most logical thing was that there must be a panther. The panther is involved. Dog died of old age, and the fucking panther was- The panther ravaged him.

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Was this an escaped panther from the zoo?

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Very good question. Do you have any insight on that, Dax? Because I don't understand. Why would there be not indigenous to that part of the country? Not that I know of.

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No, even North America. But the zoo was in Royal Oak, too far away for a panther to make it to Milford. It would have stopped and eaten things

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long before it got to Milford.

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Yes. OK, so this is going to blow your mind. I'm not going to give the people's names away because God knows what the liability is. Oh, sure. No, I got you.

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So the original reason it was believed that we had a panther is that a horse was killed and was killed by the neck and they saw the animal get away. It was a large black animal. So I developed a friendship with this kid who, by the way, went to St.

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Mary's. He was a rich kid. But he lived on the outskirts of my town in a very big house on a lot of property. And I came to know him in high school. And we were drunk one time. They had this black Great Dane. And he goes, our dog killed that horse.

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He had a smoking dog. The dog came home and was covered in blood. They had no fucking clue what happened. They thought it fought another dog. Any number of things could have happened. Yes, they were like, we got to go to the vet. It's totally fine.

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They're like, Oh my God, it must have fought something. And then on the news promptly thereafter, that horse live like in their neighborhood. Okay. It was their dog was the black panther.

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Any Michigander listening to this podcast right now is going to drop whatever they're holding. This is a big Michigander. I also want to mention

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The vantage point of where I'm sitting is thoroughly ironic because you are sitting in front of a painting of a Great Dane. Oh my God, you're right!

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What if I told five more stories?

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Every story involves a Great Dane.

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This dude's just obsessed with Great Danes. That's so funny.

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And did you see the dog with your own eyes?

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was older at that point. They don't live very long. They don't.

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Because they're too big.

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Their hearts turn, they'd say.

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Yeah.

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I know, I never understood that mistake. And he rolls on his back at the Great Pyrenees and the St. Bernards of our day. Their hearts turn.

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Yes, but back to horses, that's also what happens to horses. Their intestines turn. Have you heard that? I have heard that. Yeah, they're lying down, they pop up, and it goes whoop inside their body.

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Like a balloon. And it closes off the whatever room that they can't get in. Shit and a vial.

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Oh, maybe that was happening to the horse.

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Maybe he put the horse out of his misery. Yeah, he may have put the horse out of his misery.

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He's like, I see you, this happens to me too.

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I'm going with that story. Wow, this is a true crime. It is true crime. I can't believe you just revealed that to me. I know, I've never said it in public.

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That's amazing.

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Did you tell friends?

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Of course. Weekly knows it was their dog, my best friend. But I've never said it in public. Okay, so let's start at the very beginning.

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You were born in Southfield. I was born in Southfield. Now, Monica, again, a lot of context in this podcast today. Suburb of Detroit. I don't know who did my Wikipedia page. Guaranteed they're from Southfield.

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Because if I had had anything to do with my Wikipedia page, I would just have said Detroit native. There's some pride to be had.

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Yeah.

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It's not that Southfield's a bad place. It's just that I grew up in the city, and very often you come across people who say, I'm from Detroit. And I'll go, but where are you from?

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Exactly. But I'm from Detroit. And Sam is as well. I just interviewed Sam Richardson.

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Sam is from the city, Boston Edison. I'm sure it's the same. I'm from Atlanta, but are you from Atlanta? I know, no.

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Yeah, yeah, you're not, yeah. Nope. And I'm guilty of this, although I did live downtown.

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No, you lived in the city. Yeah, yeah. And Sam lived in the city. And Tim Robinson, Clarkson? That makes a lot of sense.

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Because that's hillbilly paradise.

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God, he's going to listen to this and go, you know, I'm up from fucking Clarkson.

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Well, he should come on and tell us himself.

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Exactly, exactly. Well done.

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Gauntlet thrown but born in Southfield raised in the city and when I was a little boy, I lived behind U of D the University of Detroit small North of the Cass corridor of Wyoming but for context we must say Cass corridor was the area of Detroit that always over indexed out of any borough anywhere in the country for murders

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So for a decade, when Detroit was the murder capital of the globe, the whole world, so people would say, in 1983, you were safer walking down the streets of Beirut, Lebanon. And they always said Beirut, but it was the 80s.

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It's Beirut, that's the most dangerous place. And Kass Corridor was the epicenter, so the most concentrated place where those kind of crimes took place was the Kass Corridor. Now, the Kass Corridor is filled with coffee shops and antique shops.

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Shinola Watches is there.

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Do you know Willis Street, 404 Willis? I know Willis. Okay, so I used to go to punk shows all the time at 404 Willis at the nadir of that, like when every couple hours someone got fucking- People just dropping like flies in front of the club.

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So I used to go to 404 Willis all the time and I drove by there recently and I was like, that cannot be 404 Willis.

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Right, right, or the old Miami. I would take my children here. It's completely turned around. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's amazing.

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Why do Detroiters, I'm asking both of you, I don't know this- He's the only real Detroiter, but go ahead. Okay, thank you for saying that. And I don't know if this is true, but I'm gaining this information.

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Why do you guys love talking about the names of streets and the names of geographical things so much?

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For me, personally, because I'm a bit of a history nut, Detroit's old city was founded in 1701. Fort Mishlamackinaw was a little fort there. And I like talking about the streets because a good deal of the hub of Detroit downtown, it's not a grid.

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It's like Boston. It's an old city that has streets that kind of go through streets. and go in circles and streets where things just stop because they put a building here where there used to be a cable car or a streetcar track.

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It's a city built on a phenomenon or an industry and then a new industry slapped up on top of that and another one slapped up on top of that. And also because we identify, I think everybody does this, but you identify neighborhoods by certain streets.

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So when he says Willis, I know right where he's talking about.

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But it's so funny to me because if we have Atlanta people on or suburbs up, I'm never saying Rogers Bridge and Peachtree Industrial. But DAX does do this all the time with people from Michigan.

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And it's interesting. And I'm going to add into it, and I don't think it's terribly unique in this way, but the little pockets were quite distinct. They were distinct. So it's like if I say Hamtramck, that doesn't mean anything to the rest of Detroit.

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It's all white Polish people in a city that's 92 percent black. That needs to be separated out from what we're talking about.

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Not to mention the fact that Hamtramck is an actual enclave and you don't see enclaves anymore. I mean, enclave in the traditional sense that it is a municipality. that is surrounded on four sides by another municipality.

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Tramik has its own fire department, its own police department, its own mayor, its own chamber of commerce.

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But it's kind of like Beverly Hills.

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It's like Beverly Hills. Yeah. It's surrounded by Detroit. And you're right. And for it to be that kind of community, completely white. Now there's lots of people from the Balkans there, and there's lots of people from East Africa there. Oh, no kidding.

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Okay, so it's changed. When I was a kid, it was straight up Polish.

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We called it Poletown.

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You couldn't even be another version of white and be safe.

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You had to be polar.

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You had to be polar.

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The fascination with the streets, they're like boroughs, like New York, where they're very distinct pockets and distinct areas. So Boston Edison, where Sam grew up, there are beautiful old houses that were built by the auto barons.

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The most elaborate mansions of the day. Across the country. And then they're in this totally burnt out, destroyed, at least in the 90s when I was living there.

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So it's very unique to see these mansions on these streets in the middle of all this other stuff.

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Yeah, in the midst of all this kind of blight. And then all of a sudden you turn down a street off of Woodward Avenue in the Boston Edison area and you're going, what are these?

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It's like a movie. You turn a corner and you're in Labyrinth.

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And then additionally, you gotta add, so the people that went down to Detroit in the 90s, they went to Greektown, they went to Joe Louis Arena, they went to Lafayette Coney Island, and that's it.

00:16:06 Speaker_05
And they go to the Fox Theater, and then you got out as fast as you could. Yeah, and you went in a caravan.

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Yeah, in a caravan, right.

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And I used to work downtown at the Second City, the building across from the Fox. It was interesting at Second City because we had a different experience. A lot of Detroiters ended up going to Chicago to work at the Second City.

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It was not a parallel move. It was definitely a promotion. Because if you got to go to Chicago, you knew that at some point in time, Lorne or some of his producers were gonna come and scout.

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So when we were in Detroit, the advantage we had was, because there was no tourist base, we'd have to write three or four shows a year because the same people came to see the shows.

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Whereas in Chicago, you're always gonna have the group spot out or a group that's coming from India. This is what you do in Chicago. You know, if you had business people coming from other countries, let's go to the comedy show at the Second City.

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This is where John Belushi used to work. And everybody would do that. So they only did one to two shows a year. We got the experience of writing a show all the time and coming up with new material.

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It was a really great training ground by the necessity of the fact that we had a lack of a tourist department.

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Of course, I envied it when I was in The Sunday Company, but I have a tremendous amount of gratitude now that, like, we did a new show every Sunday. And I was like, oh, the main company gets to do their show for, like, three months.

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And I was jealous of it. But now, in retrospect, I'm like, no, I wrote hundreds of sketches in a year. Yeah, I think that's great.

00:17:27 Speaker_08
Okay, we got derailed. So you're in the murder capital.

00:17:30 Speaker_05
So eight mile in Woodward. Oh, okay. Where I grew up, everybody sort of eight mile. That's right. Yeah. So I grew up a block South of eight mile. So Ferndale was the first North suburb.

00:17:38 Speaker_03
You're right by softball city. Softball city. And that weird motorcycle gang clubhouse. The Renegades. It's either the Vandals or the Renegades. And Monica, they had a full motorcycle mounted to the outside of their clubhouse. Very memorable.

00:17:50 Speaker_05
I grew up across from the Michigan state fairgrounds. At home at night in bed, I could hear the concerts. So it'd be Bob Seger. Ted Nugent. Uncle Teddy.

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Way to go, Teddy, go!

00:18:04 Speaker_05
I remember one year at the state fairgrounds, Hulk Hogan and Don the Rock Morocco. Oh, baby. And the Iron Sheik Dax. Oh, my God. And I stood in front of the gate for five hours with my little neighbor. His mom said, y'all gonna go to the wrestling, right?

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Take Damon. I'm like, okay, Mrs. Sharpe, but I think that it's gonna be eight hours in the sun. He all right. Y'all need to come back and get some water. Get some water. I was like, okay. But you couldn't come back because you'd lose your spot.

00:18:32 Speaker_05
And we stood there for five hours and we paid $3.50 or $5 or whatever it was, and saw Don the Rock, Morocco, and Hulk Hogan.

00:18:40 Speaker_03
That's pre-WrestleMania Silverdome 80.

00:18:43 Speaker_05
Yes, this would have been 82, and I think WrestleMania was 85. I just see your eyes lit up. I was just like, Don the Rock, Morocco.

00:18:51 Speaker_03
Holy fuck. But the Iron Sheik too. I don't know if you can have that character anymore. I don't think you can.

00:18:57 Speaker_10
I'm not sure. Yeah. You can't tell.

00:19:01 Speaker_03
The great thing about those 80s stereotypes is they were so thin. There's total lack of awareness of even what they were parodying. They didn't even know what they were parodying.

00:19:10 Speaker_05
And so I grew up right there. I grew up on a street called Woodstock Drive. It's the first block south of Eight Mile Road. And there was a field, very strange that this would be in this town, but there was a field.

00:19:20 Speaker_05
There were no homes on it at the end of our block. So we'd play football and we'd play soccer and we'd play baseball in the field.

00:19:27 Speaker_05
He had a good conscientious neighbor who'd take his lawnmower, he lived three blocks away, and he'd walk it down and mow the field.

00:19:35 Speaker_03
Wow. I still think this. When I go home, my friend Aaron now lives in Beverly Hills. Yeah, by Pleasant Ridge. And I drive through his really expansive subdivision, and the meticulous nature of how people keep their yards

00:19:48 Speaker_03
And 70% of the people are out there actively doing it, because it requires like hours a day to get it as good. I kind of love that.

00:19:55 Speaker_05
I loved doing that when I was a kid, like with the hedge clippers. Just get that one little edge where you couldn't get the edge.

00:20:00 Speaker_03
And if there was a neighbor on your street that didn't mow their lawn, the whole neighborhood hated their guts. Absolutely. My mom, you want to look like the Wrightons? That was like, you couldn't look like the Wrightons. Oh, no.

00:20:10 Speaker_05
Let me get out there right now. Yeah, I'm on it. Give me the edger. Give me the weed whacker.

00:20:15 Speaker_03
Not the Wrightons. Are you kidding me? So, did you live in that house your whole childhood?

00:20:20 Speaker_05
Yeah, we lived off the 10. Oh my God, I can't believe I just said the 10.

00:20:24 Speaker_03
The Lodge. The Lodge.

00:20:25 Speaker_05
I just said the 10 because of somebody in my life who lived out here for a long time and then moved to Detroit and said it by the numbers as opposed to the names. There's different types of Detroiters.

00:20:34 Speaker_08
Okay, let's hear it.

00:20:35 Speaker_05
There's two different things. Older people would say, that's the Fisher Freeway. But Dax and I would say, that's 94. But then the interesting thing is there are other people in Detroit who will say, so I took the 94.

00:20:47 Speaker_05
And then there's Aruthur, which is the 96. But you would always say, I'm taking 96. But nobody... took the Fisher, which is the 75. Everybody takes the 75. No one ever called it the Fisher Freeway.

00:20:58 Speaker_03
No, no, no.

00:20:58 Speaker_05
No one ever called it the Fisher Freeway. You called it 75. So we also do that with the names of our road with what is it in Georgia? It's the perimeter.

00:21:05 Speaker_08
But we have a 75 and an 85. You have the same 75.

00:21:08 Speaker_05
And you don't say the though, correct?

00:21:10 Speaker_08
I don't.

00:21:10 Speaker_05
That's a California thing. It's a California thing. The 10, the 101. What's the perimeter?

00:21:15 Speaker_03
I just want to air this grievance. Yes. You're coming south and you know you want to avoid Atlanta because it's going to be rush hour. You're driving to Florida from Michigan. Do I go east or west on this loop?

00:21:25 Speaker_08
Yeah, it's a big old circle.

00:21:25 Speaker_03
It's a big crap shoot.

00:21:27 Speaker_08
We call it Spaghetti Junction.

00:21:28 Speaker_03
Oh, you do. Spaghetti Junction. That's a good name.

00:21:32 Speaker_05
That's a clever name.

00:21:33 Speaker_03
Does anyone, do Californians move there and call it The Spaghetti Junction?

00:21:36 Speaker_05
Well done.

00:21:38 Speaker_03
Okay. So you lived there the whole time. What's interesting is you and Kristen went to the same school.

00:21:42 Speaker_05
Same high school. And we had the same, I'm saying drama teacher, just so everybody understands it. We didn't have a drama department. We had the choir and then we had the elite choir, which were called the Goliards. Oh.

00:21:54 Speaker_05
I don't know if Christian was in Goliards. I've never heard. And what the fuck is a Goliard? Exactly. Because our high school mascot were the Knights, I think a Goliard must be like the English version of a troubadour.

00:22:09 Speaker_05
I'm totally pulling this out of my ass. I like it. I'm annoyed if it's true, but I'm going with that because we were called the Knights.

00:22:15 Speaker_03
It sounds like a pejorative for a bad goalie.

00:22:17 Speaker_08
And we'll fact check it. We have an actual fact check at the end of the episode.

00:22:20 Speaker_05
Like debates. So I went to this high school. Chris and I both had a teacher. Her name was Mary Rashid. And she was really instrumental in getting me into the program. My parents divorced.

00:22:32 Speaker_05
We had a family therapist and the family therapist said, I think this young man should go into the arts. I think that would be a good way for him to express himself.

00:22:40 Speaker_05
When the therapist found out what high school I was going to, he said, the woman who runs the choir program and the music program at that high school is a friend of mine. Oh, wow. I will let her know that he's coming.

00:22:51 Speaker_05
And I'm a freshman, little string bean of a kid with a big bushy hair, if you can believe it, walking down the hall. And she came out of her room and saw my face, I guess from his description of me, and she just grabbed my arm.

00:23:01 Speaker_05
And she said, you're Keegan-Michael Key, right? We're getting you involved. And that first year, the musical was called Just For Openers. And the whole program was simply the opening number from musicals, from famous musicals. Oh, that's fun.

00:23:15 Speaker_05
That was the show. I ran the following spot. And then she left our high school my junior year. So she left my high school and went to Groves in Birmingham to go teach there. She chased the money. She chased the money.

00:23:26 Speaker_08
Oh, it's so fancy.

00:23:28 Speaker_05
Groves is fancy, yeah. And then, I don't want to cast aspersions on Groves, but she came back to try.

00:23:34 Speaker_03
By the way, if you can't shit on the rich kid's school, what the fuck can we shit on? I'm punching up, right? I'm punching up. Fuck Groves. Fuck Cranbrook. My sister went there. Fuck all those businesses.

00:23:42 Speaker_05
Your sister go to Cranbrook? Yeah, she did, yeah. I love how patient you are being. Because this podcast has been so insular so far. And you're showing like genuine interest. I am.

00:23:50 Speaker_03
You're going to see a look come over her face when we mention Cedar Point. I was hoping. You'll never.

00:23:54 Speaker_05
We're not going to do it.

00:23:57 Speaker_03
We're not going to do it.

00:23:57 Speaker_05
I was hoping maybe we could skip it. Can I just tell you? It'll be the second time I talk about Cedar Point today. Oh my God.

00:24:08 Speaker_03
Oh my God. You know what's incredible, Monica, is you're still not intrigued.

00:24:11 Speaker_08
No, I am getting further and further away.

00:24:14 Speaker_03
Away from intrigued.

00:24:15 Speaker_08
Yes. The door is closing on Cedar Point.

00:24:18 Speaker_03
Yeah, anyone that's in a three state area that we have as a guest, there's at least 25 minutes on it. And Sam was here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we're going to skip over for Monica. We'll skip over Cedar Point.

00:24:27 Speaker_05
I'm going to say one thing about Cedar Point. You have to. Okay, you have to. You understand that Cedar Point is actually, and you can fact check it, it's like the second best amusement park on earth. Which one's better?

00:24:38 Speaker_05
There's some amusement park apparently that's in Japan. Okay. That's the best, which makes sense. Sure. But Cedar Point is top five in the world. Anyway, I'm done. Do you know it's been purchased by Six Flags? Cedar Point's been purchased by Six Flags.

00:24:50 Speaker_05
Isn't that a bummer? Oh, I hate every second of that.

00:24:53 Speaker_08
Yes. Some people, me, would say that Six Flags must in fact be the second best.

00:25:03 Speaker_05
I don't even want to talk. I'm just, you know, I'm just throwing this out there. Well, that rained on my parade. That's a good weapon, Monica. Weaponize that fact. If you want to shut people down on the Cedar Point stuff.

00:25:11 Speaker_03
You and I should do like a 20-part history channel.

00:25:15 Speaker_05
Oh my God. Every year of Cedar Point's existence, welcome to Sandusky, Ohio, where dreams come true.

00:25:23 Speaker_03
Oh, fuck. I am dying to know who started it.

00:25:26 Speaker_05
How do you pick Sandusky? I guess Lake Erie, but there's other lakes that are more picturesque.

00:25:30 Speaker_03
And maybe closer to Cleveland? That would be three episodes. I would be fascinated. Monica could just produce it. She doesn't have to be there.

00:25:36 Speaker_08
Yeah, I'm here in spirit.

00:25:38 Speaker_03
And your title card as a producer would be like a middle finger or something. You'd have to express your absolute hatred for this project you produced.

00:25:46 Speaker_10
Exactly.

00:25:47 Speaker_03
Okay, so back to Shrine. She went to Groves.

00:25:49 Speaker_05
And then Mary came back to Shrine. And then Kristen had her as a teacher.

00:25:53 Speaker_03
So, Keegan, without this intervention with the therapist and then her, did you have any aspirations? I think I did and didn't know it.

00:26:00 Speaker_05
And let me see if I can articulate that. Because television was the window of the world to me. I love to read, but I loved television. And I used to watch Marlon Perkins' Wild Kingdom with my dad when I was a little kid. Sponsored by the Mutual of Omaha.

00:26:13 Speaker_05
And remember that? And Marlon Perkins, Wild Kingdom.

00:26:16 Speaker_03
Mutual of Omaha.

00:26:17 Speaker_05
They bought the whole thing. And it was mutual. And so I remember I used to love watching like the guys in the helicopters with the big kind of plexiglass bubble. One guy would lean out of the side and dart a polar bear. Yeah.

00:26:27 Speaker_05
And then they'd tag them so they could keep track of them. And I thought, God, that would be a great job. And I remember watching specials about people in Greenpeace going between whaling boats and the whales.

00:26:36 Speaker_05
And I loved animals, so I thought I was going to be a vet. When we'd go to sessions, like a family therapy, what would happen was I would act out the trailers to movies that I wanted to see. And I think that's what he keyed in on. Pun intended.

00:26:50 Speaker_05
I'm like, Empire Strikes Back. I do the, then the, and then he flew around and the machine went around the legs and then fell down and he blew up. He would just sit there and listen very intently to my stories, but I would act them out.

00:27:00 Speaker_03
So this was eighth grade. Were you already watching Saturday Night Live and doing the bits? Like remember Martin Short when we were a kid and he had the triangle and the hair and I would put my hair up like his. Ed Grimley? Yes, like Ed Grimley.

00:27:12 Speaker_05
Yes, 84 is when I actually started watching it at night because my dad loved Eddie Murphy. He loved Eddie Murphy because he loved Stevie Wonder. It's funny, what we're talking about right now is in me and my wife Elle's book.

00:27:25 Speaker_03
Did a history of sketch comedy.

00:27:26 Speaker_05
Yeah, a history of sketch comedy. So a lot of the book, what Elle did is she framed it out that the thread that you hang everything on in the book is kind of my story.

00:27:34 Speaker_05
And then the stories of the history, and the Greeks did this, and the Romans did that, and medieval people did this, because she's brilliant. So we just linked it all together.

00:27:41 Speaker_05
But my dad loved Stevie Wonder, and because Eddie Murphy did a Stevie Wonder impression, He wanted to go see him in concert. He just thought he was the greatest. And he'd let us stay up and watch SNL.

00:27:51 Speaker_05
Those years, 84 to 86, right when Julia Louis-Dreyfus was still there and Gary Kroger and Piscopo and Brad Hall and those guys, moving into that last Dick Ebersole year, which was Billy Crystal, Martin Short, Harry Shearer, and Christopher Guest.

00:28:07 Speaker_05
They told Christopher Guest, would you like to be on the show? He said, if I come on the show, and I'm in the capacity of one of the head writers of the show, you've got to let me do what I want and pick who I want.

00:28:18 Speaker_05
And then Chris got to do Weekend Update.

00:28:20 Speaker_03
Because there's some weird story too about Billy Crystal too, right?

00:28:23 Speaker_05
He didn't want to do it. He loved hosting it. He had hosted it a few times. And then he came on to do it. And at that time on the show, what's interesting is they would rotate the news hosts. And Billy would host the news as Fernando Lamas.

00:28:36 Speaker_05
I didn't know that Fernando Lamas, when I was younger, or even three months ago. Yeah, was a real person. I'm learning that now. Not only was he a real person.

00:28:45 Speaker_05
He's Lorenzo Lamas's father Okay He was a big symbol sex symbol action star in the 80s Maybe he had a show where he wrote a motorcycle renegade.

00:28:57 Speaker_03
Yeah renegade. Oh renegade motorcycle renegade.

00:28:59 Speaker_05
Yeah eight mile renegade MC. Yes Bingo brought it back around.

00:29:02 Speaker_03
Holy fuck. We're ding ding ding.

00:29:03 Speaker_05
We're at shrine. Oh So you were watching Saturday Night Live, and you were intrigued.

00:29:09 Speaker_03
Did you know you could already do voices and impersonations?

00:29:11 Speaker_05
Yes, I could do that, and I could make my friends laugh, and they would make me. We were all just doing Eddie Murphy.

00:29:16 Speaker_03
Yes, it's all about memorizing what you could from Saturday Night Live, then going to school the next day, and whoever could repeat the most of the sketch was a king. Was the king.

00:29:25 Speaker_09
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00:32:04 Speaker_01
And, uh, where are my headphones? Cause, uh, it's time to get into it. Holler at your girl!

00:32:17 Speaker_05
Anything my dad liked, I liked. So I became a huge Peter Sellers fan. My dad loved the Pink Panther movies.

00:32:24 Speaker_08
Because of the Panther in Detroit?

00:32:26 Speaker_05
Because of the Milford Panthers. Right, right, right. I also had a best of SNL cassette. And I would listen and memorize, there was this song that the girls sang. Chevy had hurt himself or he wasn't on the show.

00:32:42 Speaker_05
Chevy, Chevy, whenever you fall down, each Saturday night on my TV. Oh my Chevy, every time you take that fall, I wish that you were falling, falling for me. Lorraine Groundling. You are a historian.

00:32:59 Speaker_03
This is blowing my mind. This is incredible. This is a masterclass.

00:33:01 Speaker_05
They sang that song, that's on the cassette. It's good because it's a bunch of sketches

00:33:06 Speaker_05
where the writing was very strong, you didn't need the visual, but then there were other sketches where you could have used the visual, and they still put them on the cassette. It was all first three, four seasons.

00:33:16 Speaker_05
Did they put a Mr. Bill commercial on it? Not on that cassette.

00:33:19 Speaker_05
One of the physical bits that they put on anyway was Belushi talking about March goes out like a lion and April comes in like a lamb, and then he did this whole bit about why not March going out like a gazelle and in like an aardvark, until he gets so frustrated that you hear him go,

00:33:33 Speaker_05
And he falls over. You hear him, but you can't see it. And then I couldn't wait to see it on a VHS Best Of tape later in my life.

00:33:41 Speaker_03
The blow was not there. There was no punchline or button for it. It was weird that they would put that sketch on there. You lived with the setup for years.

00:33:47 Speaker_05
For years and years and never got to see it, because I was too young when it actually aired.

00:33:51 Speaker_03
OK, so once you start with her at Shrine, clearly you go major in theater at Detroit Mercy. So when do we go like, oh, no, we're all in it?

00:34:00 Speaker_05
The flip happened at Shrine. You're a freak, right? And then you find your tribe? I think that happens to every theater person. Are you a theater person, Monica? I majored in theater in college. Okay, you know how this is. Everybody finds their tribe.

00:34:11 Speaker_03
Double major marketing as well, just in case.

00:34:12 Speaker_08
Well, PR, but... Oh, PR.

00:34:14 Speaker_03
I always say marketing. Marketing, marketing, PR. I just want to make that clear.

00:34:18 Speaker_05
Two different things.

00:34:19 Speaker_03
Only Monica. I'm a back checker.

00:34:25 Speaker_05
So I decided probably when I was a sophomore, they did Jesus and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, and I played one of the brothers. I played Dan, and I played the baker.

00:34:35 Speaker_05
And two guys that are in prison, and they tell Joseph their dream, and he interprets their dreams.

00:34:38 Speaker_05
And I sing that song, and I found all these people who I thought were so loving and warm and attentive and saw things the way I saw things, that I realized math, not my favorite subject. It requires a lot of it to be a veterinarian.

00:34:52 Speaker_02
Oh, sure.

00:34:53 Speaker_05
And so that started softening me a little bit. And then when I was a junior, I was cast as Jesus in Godspell. I remember doing it the opening night and the next night, and I went, oh, no, no, no, no. That's for the birds. I'm doing this.

00:35:07 Speaker_05
Whatever this- Fuck animals.

00:35:08 Speaker_03
Fuck that. Fuck it. Fuck animal medicine. I'm doing this.

00:35:13 Speaker_05
They'll be fine. There's a bunch of other animal medicine people that can handle that. This is it for me. I'm Jesus. Yeah. But I missed the point totally. I'm going to be a savior.

00:35:22 Speaker_03
I'm going to be a messiah. I want to be the second coming.

00:35:26 Speaker_05
That was when the click happened.

00:35:27 Speaker_03
Okay. And I'm guessing not comedy at first, because you're just doing what you did and it works and you're like, oh yeah, right. Theater.

00:35:34 Speaker_05
I think like everybody did, unless you live in Chicago, you don't know there's comedy school.

00:35:39 Speaker_03
Also, there wasn't a second city yet in Detroit.

00:35:42 Speaker_05
No, 93. I was scared to death of doing standup. I didn't want to be a standup, even though I loved, same thing with you, right? Well, I was like, I have to be a standup and I'm too afraid to do it. Me too.

00:35:51 Speaker_05
What would the other avenue be to get into comedy? You just go to theater school. I could have gone to like Mark Ridley's Comedy Castle.

00:35:57 Speaker_03
I drove by it a million times. I parked in front of it. I stared at it.

00:36:00 Speaker_05
I'm like, am I going to walk in there? Me too. It's too scared. And there was another club in Wyandotte or Livonia and I could have gone there. Are they clown schools? No, they would teach you stand up.

00:36:09 Speaker_03
By the way, I didn't even know they would teach you. I probably would have entered a class, but I was like, I'm going to do an open mic night, but I couldn't do it. But that's where the touring comedians that would come to Detroit.

00:36:17 Speaker_03
So if you were going to go to a top shelf comedy club,

00:36:20 Speaker_05
You'd go to Mark Riddles. So anyway, I didn't know what to do or how to go about that. But I did love... My aunts were very colorful women and kind of roughnecks. They babysit me or watch me when I was like 12 or 13.

00:36:31 Speaker_05
They're like, what movie do you want to watch? I'm like, I want to watch Taxi Driver. And so, they'd let me watch Tax Driver, and then Bob De Niro was my hero. So, I was like, I like that too.

00:36:42 Speaker_03
I'll be Jesus, I'll be Robert De Niro. Or this guy, Marlon Brando.

00:36:46 Speaker_10
This other guy. Or Eddie Murphy.

00:36:49 Speaker_05
Or Eddie Murphy, yeah. So, you just went to college, and I said, I'm gonna major. And I remember being in, like, a seminar class in the beginning of the year, and a lot of people did not know what their major was gonna be.

00:36:59 Speaker_05
They're like, I just know I got the money, and my parents were like, you gotta go to college. I was one of the few people, I knew exactly what I wanted to do. Where did Kristen go to college?

00:37:06 Speaker_03
NYU. And she knew since 6. She was putting herself on VHS tapes redoing the Leigh Press on Nails commercials. Really? Oh yeah, she has tapes of her. She can say it so fast. We've had her do it on here.

00:37:17 Speaker_03
She can do the whole Leigh Press on Nails commercial, like, as fast as can humanly be done. She was doing that by herself.

00:37:23 Speaker_08
She was also in singing lessons when she was little.

00:37:25 Speaker_03
Trained operatically.

00:37:26 Speaker_05
So she just knew she was gonna be a performer. I performed, and my mom even encouraged me, but that's not a job. Yeah, exactly. My parents were social workers. There's no connection to it. And so I went to school.

00:37:38 Speaker_05
and had a very unique experience there because unlike Wayne State, so Wayne State was our city university in the aforementioned Cass Quarter. The University of Detroit Mercy was a small, private, liberal arts, Catholic Jesuit school.

00:37:51 Speaker_05
I had gone to a Catholic grade school, Catholic high school, and a Catholic college.

00:37:55 Speaker_03
And played Jesus along the way. And played Jesus along the way. You got a big dose of it.

00:37:59 Speaker_05
I didn't think anything was different until I met people from Wayne State. You go to college, Monica, you said, OK, I'm going to go into performance or I'll study performance. And then other kids did technical stuff.

00:38:09 Speaker_00
Exactly.

00:38:09 Speaker_05
And other kids got into stage management. We didn't have any of that at U of D. We ran the program. So we went to classes, but then I was a theatrical lighting electrician.

00:38:20 Speaker_05
I hung the lights, hung the wires, focused the lights for the technical director, did a little bit of construction. I was horrible at that, so that's why I stuck with the lights. And then if you auditioned and happened to be cast, it was great.

00:38:30 Speaker_05
The best thing about the University of Detroit was just called the theater company. was that we often auditioned grownups and people that were right for a role. At Wayne State, you're 19 and you're gonna play the 78-year-old grandpa.

00:38:45 Speaker_05
But at U of D, we hired a 78-year-old grandpa. Because it was a very small theater town. The theater company was treated as a regular theater. And it happened to be connected to the University of Detroit.

00:38:58 Speaker_05
So if you came to see a play, you needed to see like a high quality So adults needed to play adults. That makes competition hard. Very, very hard. And so you got used to how this business works.

00:39:11 Speaker_03
There's another interesting ding, ding, ding really quick. It's just the second enormous venue I was at nonstop was the Grounds. Grounds Coffeehouse. That was the punk mecca in the 90s, was the Grounds. Was it really?

00:39:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, at U of D, we would go to shows every weekend.

00:39:24 Speaker_05
When Grounds opened in 91 or 92, so I started school in 89, I graduated in 93. I performed at Grounds. I was in a rock cover band.

00:39:35 Speaker_03
You were there in 93 and that's when I was going on stuff.

00:39:37 Speaker_05
We absolutely have to have been there at the same time when those punk bands would come and perform in the venue. Yeah, almost every weekend. That's like triple dig. It is. That's amazing. Yeah.

00:39:48 Speaker_08
And this is why I wish there's just like video of everything ever and you could go back and you could find it. Did you see there was a video that just surfaced of Justin Bieber meeting Stephen Baldwin?

00:39:59 Speaker_03
The actor?

00:40:00 Speaker_08
Yes, he was just becoming Justin Bieber, so he's young. And Steven's like, hey, nice to meet you, this is my daughter, and it's his current wife.

00:40:09 Speaker_05
It's his wife, it's literally his wife.

00:40:10 Speaker_08
Yes, and there's video of it.

00:40:12 Speaker_05
Of him introducing his daughter.

00:40:14 Speaker_08
When they're like eight.

00:40:16 Speaker_03
Wait a minute, his wife is Steven Baldwin's daughter? Daughter, Hailey Bieber is Steven Baldwin's daughter.

00:40:22 Speaker_10
And you see her as a little girl that's like, hey.

00:40:24 Speaker_05
And they don't give a fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now they're married. Yes, isn't that cool? I agree with you, Monica, that I wish that we had more tapes.

00:40:33 Speaker_05
When you see Timothee Chalamet rapping at LaGuardia, it's the greatest thing that ever happened because it shows you the essence of who he is still now to this day. Could you imagine you and I were banging heads? Yes, yes, yes.

00:40:47 Speaker_05
It is at U of D that I started improvising. I started improvising at Grounds. There was a guy who was a part of the touring company for Second City. He was an understudy to the touring company. I didn't know what any of this meant.

00:40:58 Speaker_05
I remember his name was Ed. He and I were in the same fraternity. But before that, he wanted to put together an improv group. And he did a couple of improv shows, and people were really impressed with him. He was very good.

00:41:07 Speaker_05
Nobody knew of improv back then. There was no whose line is it anyway. They didn't even know what it was. He didn't get into the touring company, so he came back home to Detroit, and he went to school.

00:41:16 Speaker_05
And he started this improv troupe, and we perform at grounds. Short form stuff, games. That was where the taste came from. And it's also at the same time that In Living Color came out. Oh. So we had that influence and how were we writing?

00:41:29 Speaker_05
So we had SNL, but this new thing. I loved In Living Color. Oh God, In Living Color. Jordan Peele always says that the best thing about In Living Color was how mischievous it was.

00:41:40 Speaker_05
I think it's a great way of describing it is mischievous because it's like a lot of winking at like, we're being really naughty. Yeah, they were nasty and they weren't supposed to be there.

00:41:49 Speaker_03
And all of it was great. The fly girls. What?

00:41:53 Speaker_05
What is this? And they had enough elegance.

00:41:57 Speaker_03
Again, it was punk rock adjacent. It was punk rock adjacent. He was like, oh, this is not SNL. And SNL's already punk rock. It's an accomplishment to out punk rock. To out punk rock SNL. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:07 Speaker_03
You thought you might see something that they would have regretted airing. There was a danger to it. I heard Todd Phillips in an interview say at one point that he thinks all great comedy, the underbelly is danger.

00:42:19 Speaker_03
And for me, he's my favorite comedy director, and it's very apparent in his stuff.

00:42:23 Speaker_08
Well, he and Peele is 100% that.

00:42:26 Speaker_05
I think what made us dangerous was its dark underbelly. In Living Color had something very much in common with MADtv. It's nasty in that it's a little catty.

00:42:36 Speaker_03
Well, MADtv was a little bit more tabloidy.

00:42:39 Speaker_05
We wanted to roast famous people a lot, whereas In Living Color would say, here's something nobody's talking about, and we're going to just go right into it.

00:42:46 Speaker_03
Yeah. When you're watching, you're like, there might be blowback from this, which is a fun feeling. Yes. They're gonna get in trouble for that sketch.

00:42:51 Speaker_05
Yeah.

00:42:52 Speaker_08
Did you feel that we did that on Key & Peele? In the best way. It was calling out truths that needed to be told in the absolute funniest way possible.

00:43:01 Speaker_03
I would say you guys are opposite of In Living Color because I think In Living Color was in your face and it was dangerous on the surface, but then it was pretty traditional at the core of it.

00:43:11 Speaker_03
And I think your shit was like really happy and nice and approachable and friendly. And then the subtext was like some real shit.

00:43:18 Speaker_05
Yeah. Yeah, that's what you're saying.

00:43:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Completely different package. Like a reverse. It's like, oh, these guys are friendly and nice and I trust them. Wait, what are they actually pointing out? Oh, yeah, that's some real shit.

00:43:28 Speaker_08
But they weren't like SNL sketches, which are, you're just there to laugh. You guys were saying something important as well.

00:43:35 Speaker_05
It's interesting that it ended up being that way, because everybody's philosophy informed everybody else. So we informed the writers, and the writers informed us, and Jordan informed me, and I informed him.

00:43:44 Speaker_05
I know for a fact that Jordan's big deal was, it's got to be funny first. We've got to get the architecture right. Yes. Then we can slap something social on it.

00:43:55 Speaker_05
If President Obama is hamstrung because he can't get angry, or he's an angry black man, and he can't say nothing, or he's an ineffectual black man, how do we help him? So we invented Luther, right?

00:44:08 Speaker_05
But it's dangerous because you're saying, hey, fucking white people, this is what he's thinking. Exactly.

00:44:14 Speaker_08
It also takes you a second. First, it's hilarious.

00:44:16 Speaker_05
And then you're like, oh. Wait a minute.

00:44:18 Speaker_05
Also, because Jordan is so masterful and so brilliant, that concept, which came from SNL in the early days when Chevy Chase used to do Weekend Update, they would do these little segments where he'd say, and now our next segment is sponsored by the Society for the Deaf.

00:44:33 Speaker_05
Our top story tonight, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead. And there'd be a little box, and in the box is Garrett Morris. And he'd go, our top story tonight!

00:44:42 Speaker_10
Oh my God.

00:44:43 Speaker_05
Generalissimo! Now he's doing it for a practical reason, but Jordan's idea was, what if you were screaming behind me? What if you were yelling out my frustration and anger?

00:44:55 Speaker_05
And it's such a goddamn clever idea that even in the midst of the indictment of the double standard of how you have to act as a black person, white conservative people will go, God damn it, that's clever.

00:45:06 Speaker_05
I gotta give it to him, because I've seen that guy. He don't ever yell. I bet he is pissed off. I bet he is pissed off. Don't listen to him. Right then. Also, we had to write scenes in a very thematic, evergreen way.

00:45:22 Speaker_05
Even when you air this and publish this, what I'm about to say will be on the podcast, but won't make any difference in a year. So like, if we wrote a sketch about Tyreke Hill being arrested in Miami, Okay, that works if SNL's on right now.

00:45:36 Speaker_05
Today, we again, tried to make lemonades out of lemon, which is, okay, we have a 13 week writing process. We can't write any topical stuff. We've got to write evergreen stuff.

00:45:47 Speaker_05
The hope is our work will stand the test of time and that hopefully that we're making a comment on something that is obsolete. My hope would be that our grandchildren will go, I don't get it.

00:45:58 Speaker_05
Wouldn't that be awesome if our grandchildren said, I don't get the sketch.

00:46:02 Speaker_03
That's a weird goal to have as an artist. Wouldn't that be amazing if it made no sense in 10 years?

00:46:06 Speaker_08
It's like that hugely popular riddle about the son going to the hospital and the doctor performs surgery and it's the mom. And that's a huge shock that a mom could possibly be a doctor.

00:46:19 Speaker_03
We gave our kids that riddle and they're like, this isn't a riddle, it's the And the mom, I was like, oh, that's cool. When I was a kid, that was impossible.

00:46:26 Speaker_05
It was impossible, especially for- It broke my brain.

00:46:29 Speaker_03
You're just like, wait, the mom's the doctor?

00:46:31 Speaker_05
How could that be?

00:46:32 Speaker_03
What country are they in? What year is this? This is a shitty riddle because it's fucking impossible. You can't be the mom.

00:46:43 Speaker_08
Exactly. So that's what you're saying.

00:46:45 Speaker_05
You're hoping- That's what I'm saying. In an ideal world, our sketches would be obsolete.

00:46:48 Speaker_03
Some things do get sorted in a degree where you're like, well, this doesn't have an engine really anymore.

00:46:53 Speaker_05
Thank God. Thank God. Yeah. And also just looking at our consumerism, when you see gay men in commercials or interracial couples in commercials, it's just a thing that we do now.

00:47:01 Speaker_03
Yeah. It's a thing that we do. You would never think anything. Totally normal. So Second City opens in Detroit in 93. How quickly are you taking classes there?

00:47:09 Speaker_05
I left in 93 and went to graduate school at Penn State. And then when I came back home to Detroit, I started a theater in Hamtramck called The Planet Ant.

00:47:18 Speaker_03
Sam hung out in Hamtramck exclusively.

00:47:20 Speaker_05
Sam spent all of his time there. I was the coach for Tim Robinson's sketch group.

00:47:25 Speaker_03
Oh, you were? Yes. I was wondering if there was going to be overlap.

00:47:28 Speaker_05
Yes, he had a sketch group. They were called Your Fat Friend, which you can't name. Also not a name that could be a name of a group, no. And I saw Sam in a show.

00:47:37 Speaker_05
It was a Comedia dell'arte show at the Planet M. I don't know what Comedia... We had Comedia at University of Georgia, but I didn't do it.

00:47:43 Speaker_08
I was too scared.

00:47:43 Speaker_05
Commedia dell'arte is a mask art form that started in the 16th century in Italy. There were different scripts and different scenarios that were set up, but all the characters are the same. Carlo Godoni was the most famous commedia playwright.

00:47:56 Speaker_05
There was a bunch of different commedia playwrights, and they'd say, okay, this story is about the young couple that's getting together, but they're not supposed to get together, and the one father hates him, but he's having an affair with her.

00:48:04 Speaker_05
But every single play has the same characters. When you got up on Saturday mornings and turned on ABC, you'd watch a bunch of cartoons, but Bugs Bunny is in all of them, and Porky Pig's in all of them, and Yosemite Sam is occasionally in them.

00:48:20 Speaker_05
All of those characters on those cartoons that we watched when we were kids are based on Comedia characters. Oh, wow. Axel Foley, Eddie Murphy's character, is based on a comedia character called Arlequino. So is Bugs Bunny.

00:48:35 Speaker_05
Any street smart, quick-witted scamp, Charlie Chaplin, the tramp, is an Arlequino character.

00:48:42 Speaker_03
What is your theory or belief? Are people independently recreating that or are they aware of that? I think most people are not aware of it. You just inherit that archetype.

00:48:50 Speaker_05
They're archetypes. They're archetypes.

00:48:51 Speaker_03
They just started there.

00:48:52 Speaker_05
That's right. Somebody figured out how to codify the archetypes in the 1500s. People intrinsically know them and go, I'm gonna play the parasite. I'm gonna play the sassy man. Florence from the Jeffersons is a Comedia character named Combalina. Gotcha.

00:49:05 Speaker_05
It's crazy. It's so cool. So cool and fascinating. So I saw a Comedia show with Sam in it. That's the first time I ever met him. And then he and Tim used improv and they wrote shows that they performed at the Planet End.

00:49:17 Speaker_05
And they worked and they did all that until they got their own show called The Detroiters that was on Comedy Central. So I started that theater with my eight friends. It used to be a coffeehouse.

00:49:25 Speaker_05
By the way, it is the coffeehouse where Meg and Jack White met. No.

00:49:31 Speaker_10
What?

00:49:31 Speaker_05
Yes, yes. Oh my lord. That's where they met. They met at the Planet Aunt coffeehouse. Oh my gosh. So we gutted the coffeehouse and turned it into a black box. and started doing plays. And then I auditioned for Second City Detroit, and I got in.

00:49:44 Speaker_05
I didn't have to take classes, so it wasn't as organized as it was at the Groundlings or the Second City or UCB.

00:49:50 Speaker_03
How great. You're just doing shows. I'm just doing shows.

00:49:53 Speaker_05
And then they said, do you want to teach? And then I started teaching. I was just fully immersed. Every day, I'm reading Impro by Keith Johnstone. I'm reading Viola Spolin. I'm going to work. I'm teaching.

00:50:04 Speaker_05
It was a really fervent, fun, fulfilling, educational time.

00:50:08 Speaker_03
Has it ever gotten more fun?

00:50:10 Speaker_05
It's never gotten more fun, no.

00:50:12 Speaker_03
Isn't it crazy? Because you're there aiming for here. I know. And then you get here. And you go, oh, that was it.

00:50:18 Speaker_05
It's like when you talk to athletes and you go, but how do you stay? Forget every athlete is 23. Good for them. It's when you're 33 and God forbid you're successful. How do you keep the passion going?

00:50:30 Speaker_05
Some of the most fulfilling work I ever did in my life was at that time.

00:50:34 Speaker_03
When I went to Chicago... How long were you in Detroit before you went to Chicago?

00:50:36 Speaker_05
I was there for three years and 11 months to the day. Oh, wow. Okay. From 1997 to 2001. I left in July of 2001, moved to Chicago. They put me into the new show. I was replacing a guy who was leaving to move out here. I went into that show.

00:50:50 Speaker_05
We started our rehearsal process for the next show. We were probably three weeks out from previews. I woke up in the morning on a Tuesday, just like everybody else in this country, and heard that two planes had flown into the World Trade Center.

00:51:01 Speaker_05
I remember we went to work, and everybody's shell-shocked. The director of the main stage show, he was beside himself. His name's Jeff Richmond. He's Tina Fey's husband. He was trying to figure out how... Musical director.

00:51:11 Speaker_05
How the hell do I get to New York to my wife? It was crazy from a creative standpoint because, again, Topical, their show was now obsolete. And our show, we had written most of it, like three quarters of the show. We didn't know what to do.

00:51:27 Speaker_03
Of course you must question are we even allowed to go be funny in this time.

00:51:32 Speaker_05
And I remember I was going home one night with the stage manager because we lived near each other and we'd share a cab sometimes to go home.

00:51:38 Speaker_05
We were on Lakeshore Drive and the cab driver was Afghani and he had stickers of American flags all over his cab. My stage manager's like, this poor guy, he's gotta try to be as patriotic as he possibly can.

00:51:54 Speaker_05
If you're Afghani or you're Iraqi or you're Persian and you're watching the news, the first person who was killed or lynched, if you will, was a Sikh, which means that white people don't know shit about anything. If you're brown, you're in trouble.

00:52:07 Speaker_05
If you're brown, you're in trouble. I'm like, they killed a Sikh? And so then we created a character where I played an Afghani cab driver who wore an Uncle Sam hat.

00:52:16 Speaker_05
So that anybody that got into his cab, he really knows, I love America, America's greatest country in the world. We did that and we opened the show. I remember the first time we touted out that character on stage to audition the material.

00:52:29 Speaker_05
The laughter was thunderous, but you know, it wasn't regular laughter. It was cathartic laughter. And I went, oh my God, I think my job might be important.

00:52:40 Speaker_08
Yeah.

00:52:41 Speaker_05
Oh, wow. It was a wonderful feeling. So how long were you in Chicago? Was Jordan there? Jordan had studied there before I got there.

00:52:49 Speaker_03
But he was with Boom? He went to Boom.

00:52:50 Speaker_05
I was there from July of 2001 until December of 03. So two years. And then they did a cast swap. The cast from Boom Chicago came to Chicago and our main stage cast went to the Netherlands. Did you go? I did not. I was on the ETC. So I got to know Jordan.

00:53:10 Speaker_05
And we saw each other's shows. And it was instant comedy love. And we enjoyed each other. We had similar backgrounds. We were raised by single white mothers and were biracial. We had a lot in common. And then he auditioned for MAD.

00:53:22 Speaker_03
Look, can I say one thing about him while we're talking about him? Please. Because we interviewed him.

00:53:25 Speaker_05
It was fantastic.

00:53:26 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's one of my favorites. What was revealed in that is that he was actually kind of a real lonely kid living in a very scary, big world in New York. Yes, he was. And it's like the sweetest part. I just loved learning that side of him.

00:53:41 Speaker_05
He was a lonely kid. He's also a brave person. Because he would traverse that city by himself.

00:53:47 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:48 Speaker_05
Jordan is one of these people who kind of just gets on with life. He just pushes through. It's why Get Out exists. Eight years it took him to write that movie. Oh, really? He just pushed through. I really admire him.

00:54:00 Speaker_05
My two partners are the two people I kind of admire most in the world. I admire my wife and I admire Jordan. Their work ethic and their spirit.

00:54:08 Speaker_03
He's amazing. Plotters really impress me. People who can plot. People who clawed, yeah, grind. I lose, you know, I'm lightning in a bottle. That's me too, I'm just like, yeah.

00:54:19 Speaker_05
That's why we're here for two hours, right? Because you're like, something's gonna stick, something will stick. But yeah, Jordan and Al are both very much of that school of, let me just keep writing it until it's right.

00:54:30 Speaker_05
I'm gonna do what I have to do to get it right. And our first season of Key & Peele, Jordan used to say, it's just gotta be bulletproof, man. We just gotta out-hustle everybody else. Just work harder than everybody else.

00:54:40 Speaker_03
you know, like I got into improv to be off the cuff, baby. You can't try to control this mistress. Throw me in chaos make me feel like I'm about to fall down and then you'll see the best side That's me to put me in a crisis.

00:54:59 Speaker_05
Yes, then I'll perform. Yeah, but if you give me time to write it I'm not a good self starter in that way. I need the survival thing Don't ask me to perform right now. I have to perform right now or it's not gonna happen.

00:55:14 Speaker_03
That's the race fuel. I Exactly. So, you did know him, and then, ultimately, do you go to New York for a MADtv audition? And did you ever audition for SNL?

00:55:21 Speaker_05
I never auditioned for SNL. It all happened in a pressure cooker. And so, Andrew Alexander, who owned the Second City, very, very good friends with Lorne and known him for years, and had supplied him a lot of talent. Yeah, him and Bernie Sollins.

00:55:35 Speaker_05
and Bernie Sollins ran the second stage before Andrew purchased it. So he and Lorne, both Canadians, very good friends. I got scouted by MAD TV. What year is this? This is 2003.

00:55:45 Speaker_03
Because I want to know if you had the same feeling I did, which was, and I'll say this delicately, I ultimately respect a great deal everyone that did MAD and was on MAD.

00:55:57 Speaker_03
But when you started at the groundlings and you went through that four year process I went through to get on that stage,

00:56:02 Speaker_03
The goal was SarientLive and people would leave and they'd go to MADtv and you just felt like I'm not in a position to not take work.

00:56:09 Speaker_03
I honestly hoped I didn't get presented that decision because I wanted to be on SarientLive and I would have been on MADtv because I was penniless and I wasn't getting any work.

00:56:18 Speaker_05
I hear you. It was strange. I am a person who, I don't want to say I succumbed to the panic, but there was a bird in the hand. Yes. That's this business, right? And by the way, you chose correctly. For your life. It worked out perfectly for my life.

00:56:32 Speaker_05
But it was a weird scenario when you were doing sketch and improv. If you're a groundling or you're a second citizen, There's just no way. Everybody wants to be on SNL. You want to be Will Ferrell or I go back to Belushi or Gilda.

00:56:46 Speaker_05
That's who you want to be. And what was funny is I remember doing my work and doing the show and a casting director was there. And what was funny is there were three women who were coming off or potentially coming off of MADtv.

00:56:58 Speaker_05
I'm the one that got the call to go audition. I was like, I don't have a vagina. What do they need me for? and they already had Aries, and they just hired Jordan.

00:57:06 Speaker_05
But I went out and I auditioned, and the executive producer, David Salzman, also a Detroiter, an adopted Detroiter. He's a New Yorker who went to Wayne State. And I auditioned.

00:57:14 Speaker_05
I remember talking to my agent, and he said, look, we can talk to the producers who worked with Lorne. You know, they're not gonna get Lorne to leave M & Gansett, his summer house in Maine. He doesn't know me from Adam.

00:57:26 Speaker_05
Andrew said, I know Tim's leaving the show soon, Tim Meadows, you might wanna look at one of my guys. But Lauren's not going to stop his vacation to go to eight H and just see me. So it was weird. You know, like you're looking at your dream.

00:57:38 Speaker_05
You're like, so am I just going to consciously give up?

00:57:41 Speaker_03
That's the thing you're declaring. That's that for my SNL dream, because no one will ever go from mad TV. Are you going to ask now? It's an awesome opportunity. It's TV.

00:57:51 Speaker_03
It's doing what you love, but you are saying goodbye to something you've been singularly for, or I was singularly focused on.

00:57:57 Speaker_05
I wasn't focused on it in Detroit. It was unrealistic until we did a show. Sometimes people be in the audience, right? But Dave Kooie. Full house. Full house. He's from Detroit. So Dave Kooie and Bob Saget were in the audience. Oh, how exciting.

00:58:11 Speaker_05
Kooie had to leave or something, or he was going to go see Darren McCarty's band or something like that. Darren McCarty's a famous hockey player. Oh, got it. And Saget came backstage and came and improvised with us. Lovely man.

00:58:24 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:58:24 Speaker_05
Generous guy. And then they told their managers about one of my castmates, because Chris Farley had just died, and one of my castmates resembled Chris Farley. Right. He and another one of my castmates, they were asked to come put a showcase together.

00:58:37 Speaker_05
These guys came to town and watched our show. Oh, my God.

00:58:39 Speaker_02
They were managers.

00:58:40 Speaker_05
And all of a sudden, for the next two years, it got fucking weird at the second set in Detroit. I'm sure. I bet. Really weird.

00:58:46 Speaker_08
Like, oh, this could lead to something more.

00:58:48 Speaker_05
This actually could lead to something more, as opposed to us just being here at home in Detroit, entertaining the people.

00:58:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, once you introduce dudes are flying in to pluck someone out of here, it fucks everyone's head up.

00:58:58 Speaker_05
It fucks everybody's head up.

00:58:59 Speaker_03
Yeah, then people hate each other and competitive.

00:59:01 Speaker_05
I hear about stories about like really great improv troops and the worst thing in the world is a three man improv troop who's excellent and poetry in motion and then one gets cast as a feature player and one gets cast as a writer and one's left out in the fucking cold.

00:59:16 Speaker_05
Yes. Brutal.

00:59:17 Speaker_03
Brutal. Absolutely brutal. Savage business. It is.

00:59:22 Speaker_08
I think it was so good of you to take, well obviously we know it worked out for you, but even just the singular goal thing doesn't exist actually in this industry. You have to learn to drop that so early on in order to succeed at all.

00:59:36 Speaker_08
There's no such thing as a singular goal in Hollywood.

00:59:39 Speaker_05
You can't do it.

00:59:40 Speaker_08
You cannot succeed that way.

00:59:42 Speaker_03
But you got to host. Yes.

00:59:45 Speaker_05
Now that was an amazing experience. What's cool about it is like, I still got here. The best moment of that whole experience. First of all, I was in London shooting a movie when I got the offer. I started kind of freaking out a little bit.

00:59:58 Speaker_05
And thank God, Fred Armisen was in the movie with me. And he said, just understand, it's going to go by so fast. On the actual day, when you do the dress rehearsal and then you do the show, it's a blur. Try as you might to be in the moment.

01:00:10 Speaker_05
The best moment was, whatever the longest commercial break was, I had finished my quick change, so they were showing a video and then going to commercial.

01:00:20 Speaker_03
Oh, great. Right?

01:00:20 Speaker_05
So I actually had two and a half minutes.

01:00:23 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:24 Speaker_05
And she's so sweet. The stage manager was standing next to me and I was just going, and Cecily's getting her change done and I'm kind of just standing backstage. And then the stage manager was coming for a second.

01:00:34 Speaker_05
There's a crawlspace area where clearly people have to crouch down a bit to get under this little scaffolding area. And on this piece of cement by the scaffolding area, there was a sign that said, caution, watch your head.

01:00:48 Speaker_05
And then written in pen under the word head, somebody had written the word Farley. Caution, watch your head, Farley. and I think it was David Spade. Oh my God. Specifically for Chris. And then I almost started crying.

01:01:01 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:01:02 Speaker_05
And I almost started crying. That was my one moment in the midst of the chaos where I got to just take a moment and remember, first of all, it's right before you walk on stage. Oh, I can't imagine. And that moment.

01:01:13 Speaker_05
So those are the two moments I remember. Everything else is kind of a blur. That moment was sublime.

01:01:17 Speaker_03
That's great. I'm so glad you got that.

01:01:19 Speaker_05
I think to host is, as I said, That's the actual dream. an absolutely sublime experience.

01:01:24 Speaker_03
Well, it's funny is I'm now at a point where I was thinking, even if it ever came back up, somehow I had some triumph that would warrant me getting invited. I'm almost at the age where it's like, I don't know if I have that anymore.

01:01:36 Speaker_05
I have absolutely not a doubt in my mind, Dax, that you would excel.

01:01:42 Speaker_03
I'm gonna take that to heart.

01:01:43 Speaker_05
I think you would take the bull by the horns, and you would absolutely murder it. I think your muscle memory would kick in. Everything you learned at the Groundlings would kick in.

01:01:52 Speaker_03
This is a more general question. Do you feel yourself getting less brave as you get older? And you've been doing it longer. I kind of do. Yeah. What I did in Idiocracy, I couldn't do that now. I would be like, that's too big of a swing.

01:02:03 Speaker_03
I can't pull that off.

01:02:04 Speaker_05
You were younger and you made great comedic choices in the context of that movie. Idiocracy is actually one of the more important movies made in American cinema. Which is insane. It is perfect American satire.

01:02:19 Speaker_09
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

01:02:33 Speaker_03
Do you know what's great about that? My mom went to the premiere and she said to me in the kindest way possible, well, it's not my favorite thing I've seen you in. She didn't like it. She didn't like it. I'm like, okay, I can accept that.

01:02:44 Speaker_03
And then maybe three weeks later, she called me and she goes, I just went to Walmart and I'm starting to think that movie might be really good.

01:02:52 Speaker_05
Oh, that's terrific. Isn't that interesting? It's so societally sticky. A satire can only do two things. It can only preface what's going to happen or project what a future could look like. And the only other thing it can do is become that future. Yeah.

01:03:08 Speaker_05
And it is becoming that future. I'm thinking of idiocracy and I'm thinking about the presidential debate. I know.

01:03:15 Speaker_08
Interchangeable. It's interchangeable.

01:03:17 Speaker_03
And also even just the consumer stuff is really materialized in a way. It's like, I'll constantly be watching something and I'll be like, oh my God, they're wearing billboards now while they play this game.

01:03:26 Speaker_05
Irrigating your crops with monster trees with Gatorade. It's so good.

01:03:30 Speaker_08
But I do know what you mean, going back to what you were saying about being brave, because I do think when you're young, you're so risky.

01:03:37 Speaker_08
And then as you get more and more and more success, there's more and more and more to lose, which inherently then makes you less risky, which can make you less funny. It's this weird.

01:03:46 Speaker_05
Especially if that's the measuring stick for funny. Jordan said to me one time, I always have an interesting Jordan take on something, because he says such brilliant things.

01:03:53 Speaker_05
Also, when you're younger and you're poor, you are living the life that most people are living. If you're middle class or lower middle class. So you can stand on a stage with a microphone and say, you guys ever notice? Because they do notice.

01:04:07 Speaker_05
But you can't say, did you ever notice when your private plane is like 20 years old and you're a little afraid about getting on it?

01:04:14 Speaker_03
You're like, I paid 70 grand for this charter and it's got an interior from a G4?

01:04:21 Speaker_05
My chair only swivels 90 degrees. What is going on? I mean, if we were in a Falcon X7, that'd be different. But I mean, this is a G4 chassis?

01:04:31 Speaker_03
I hope the aeronautics have been updated.

01:04:33 Speaker_05
Especially if you start to isolate yourself, I get nervous for somebody who might want to jump back into the world of stand-up or comedy after being wildly successful for a long time ago.

01:04:43 Speaker_05
But do you have any connection to the people who are in your audience?

01:04:48 Speaker_03
So my observation that's very similar to that. And I specifically watch it with Will Ferrell because at some point I was like, he does a lot of period pieces. You know, he done anchorman and another anchorman. Then he did the basketball one.

01:05:01 Speaker_03
What I think is interesting is You're no longer subjugated by a shitty boss, a shitty teacher. Most people's life, they're dealing with someone above them. And you do transcend that with success.

01:05:14 Speaker_03
So really your well is going to be back in time because that's when you can remember really having to deal with some other asshole. And that's when I really thought about that.

01:05:23 Speaker_03
It's like, yeah, that's the peril of success is that you're no longer really having to deal with some crazy personality that's above you that you have to placate.

01:05:32 Speaker_05
And you're at their mercy.

01:05:33 Speaker_03
Yes. You're picking up every little annoying thing they do. And you're just crafting this character. And even when you're doing your first exercises in comedy theaters, it's like, do a teacher, do a boss, you know, these people you hated. Yeah.

01:05:46 Speaker_05
People that you rail against.

01:05:47 Speaker_08
Yes. Because you're young. Now you're the character.

01:05:50 Speaker_05
Now you're the character. What am I supposed to play? I'm going to do a movie about a guy who's having an existential crisis about being the boss? Because everything else is... The boss wants to see that movie.

01:05:57 Speaker_10
Exactly.

01:05:58 Speaker_03
Well, even any existential crisis, like, oh, all your other problems were solved. So now you're at the existential philosophical... The philosophical stuff, right? Which always makes for great dramatic action.

01:06:09 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's a conundrum.

01:06:10 Speaker_03
Yeah, comedians in particular, historically, don't age very well. I think that's why Bill Murray's such a phenom, is like, somehow that guy held on to the same angle.

01:06:20 Speaker_05
For almost 50 years, because I think about the work that we didn't see him do at the Second City, before he made it to Saturday Night Live. Right. He is a phenom, because there's no way to classify him or describe him.

01:06:34 Speaker_05
You want his career, and you also don't want his career. I want to admire his career, but I don't know how I would navigate that. How would I even try to emulate that career?

01:06:44 Speaker_03
Truly. Okay. So just fast forwarding through the couple of things I thought were fascinating about Key and Peele that I learned researching you and you already alluded to it, which is initially Jordan was like, this has to be written bulletproof.

01:06:57 Speaker_03
And that the first season was almost no improv. Yep. I found this fascinating. And then at some point you had to say to him, like, hey, how do you feel about us? Open up the playbook. Yeah.

01:07:06 Speaker_03
Like we also do this thing that's really special and electric and we're not doing that at all.

01:07:12 Speaker_05
He was feeling so confident about his skills and he was he was at the top of his game our first season of the show. So he felt. I know I can write this in such a way that I can force the laughs to come. I know where the punchline comes.

01:07:26 Speaker_05
I know where the turn comes. I know where the jokes are going to be. And let's just make sure that we give Peter, our director, everything he needs to give us the best possible product to look at. And then it was the second season that we started.

01:07:37 Speaker_05
It was a controlled experiment. We're going to have some pieces that are completely and utterly dependent on the writing. And if we can interpret them in an interesting way, so be it. But then let's also have playtime.

01:07:49 Speaker_05
So traditional straight man clown scenes and sometimes what we call peas in the pod scenes. So you know the two car valets that we play? Yes. Liam Neeson's and the Batmans and the Bruce Willys and all that stuff.

01:08:00 Speaker_05
They were written, but I don't know if you guys know Colton Dunn. Yes. So Colton's always very versatile. He's good at writing. skeleton scenes that you can fill in.

01:08:09 Speaker_05
And he's also good at writing fun, joke, offbeat scenes where you want to get the vines right so that you get the quirkiness of it. We started sprinkling that in. And then early third seasons is when we started doing more macabre stuff.

01:08:23 Speaker_05
Where if you watch the third and fourth seasons of our show, it shouldn't surprise you too much that Jordan is a horror director.

01:08:30 Speaker_03
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In retrospect, the clues were there. That's funny. Do you think this show's more popular now than when it was on TV? I do.

01:08:39 Speaker_05
I think it's way more popular now. I don't know what the share numbers are, but I think we used to hover around 1.6 to 2 million viewers a week, 2 million tops. It wasn't until when sketches started going onto YouTube.

01:08:54 Speaker_05
And people had a sense of ownership about the sketches. Like, I found this thing and I sent it to my friend. Also, it created a narrative that we never intended. It's funny what people don't pay attention to.

01:09:06 Speaker_05
They don't pay attention to the bug in the bottom of the screen. There's the double C. This is from Comedy Central. This is from a show. Who are these two guys making these great videos on YouTube? Yes.

01:09:16 Speaker_03
Well, it's like a band at that point.

01:09:17 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:09:18 Speaker_03
You're like, I discovered this. I'm in on this. I'm sharing this.

01:09:21 Speaker_05
You give them ownership over it. That's what started the phenomenon. And now what is bizarre to me are when 15 year olds, our show went off the air in 2015. Right. Yeah.

01:09:33 Speaker_03
They were six. They were six years old.

01:09:35 Speaker_05
So that's because of TikTok. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.

01:09:39 Speaker_03
It is. And you know what's cool about it, too, is I use it that way. Probably once every six months, I miss the hat sketch so much that I have to go watch it. I cannot believe that sketch. For anyone who's not seen it, two dudes come out.

01:09:53 Speaker_03
I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I can't tell you how much Chris and I would go, I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog.

01:10:01 Speaker_03
I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. but you guys come out. One guy's still got the receipt on his hat, which is a thing. And the other dude feels really bummed. Like, fuck, I just got shown up. And then he shows up the next day and he's got his hat.

01:10:14 Speaker_03
It's in the bag. I can't remember the total progression.

01:10:17 Speaker_05
Yeah. First one is, you know, the kids wear the hats, but just the stickers on them.

01:10:19 Speaker_03
Yep. Stickers.

01:10:20 Speaker_05
The next guy has his hat in the bag with the receipt. He's wearing it. The bag in the bag on his head. And then the next guy has the hat in a plexiglass display case. And the other guy literally has a woman, a Chinese woman sewing a hat.

01:10:37 Speaker_03
He has a sweatshop on his hat.

01:10:39 Speaker_05
I wanted it to be a kid. I don't know why they wouldn't let us have a kid. I wanted a young Asian kid making the hat. I didn't care where they were from.

01:10:48 Speaker_03
They could have been from Taiwan or Bangladesh.

01:10:50 Speaker_06
Oh my God.

01:10:51 Speaker_03
Fuck that. We just had a guest on recently where he and I geeked out about that sketch for a while. The other one that I'll have to watch too once every six months is any of these cherries get froggy. That's a Colton Dunn special.

01:11:03 Speaker_05
Yeah, that sketch. The sketch is ridiculous.

01:11:07 Speaker_05
The best part about that sketch, first of all, Malcolm Barrett's amazing in it, but the woman who did all of her hair and wigs, through the last season of the show, every production meeting, she goes, do you guys think there's any sketch where we could put the braid guy?

01:11:20 Speaker_05
And those guys, the way that we're dressed, are two real people. Two real people. She found crazy images and she went, this guy's afro is shaved into a hat. And I was like, I don't know where that's gonna fit.

01:11:33 Speaker_05
Might have been Jordan was like, maybe the terrorist guys. That might be a good look for those guys. Unbelievable.

01:11:37 Speaker_08
And the substitute teacher, that's an enormous one.

01:11:40 Speaker_03
I mean, that thing, who knew? And I'll tell you, you've affected people's lives, because my best friend in the world is Aaron Winkley, and I can't tell you how many people call him A-Ron.

01:11:50 Speaker_05
I'm really happy to be here talking about it to sketch people. We do on average six sketches a show. So two sketches a week would go online.

01:11:57 Speaker_05
We have them out there in the world for people to see as marketing, and then we put something at the end of the sketch saying, check out next week's episode of Key & Peele. So we were picking the sketches.

01:12:05 Speaker_05
I don't even remember what the other sketch was, but I remember whatever it was, we went, ooh, that one. And then we said, what should the second sketch be? And I think it was me and Jordan and the other two showrunners.

01:12:15 Speaker_05
We're just sitting in an office one day, and we're like, maybe the teacher one. maybe the teacher once, but that was actually all of our attitudes was, that's a very good sketch. It's a clever sketch.

01:12:27 Speaker_05
But when you're surrounded all day, five to six days a week by sketch writers, everyone just kind of goes, oh, that's a good one.

01:12:33 Speaker_03
It's super misleading because inevitably the stuff that was all of our favorites would get on stage on Sunday and it would tank. And then the one we were all ho-hum about was a huge hit because you get too esoteric in it. It was too pedestrian, maybe.

01:12:48 Speaker_05
That's what I wanted to say. For a sketch comedian, it was too pedestrian. It's like, it's pretty much by the numbers. It's on the nose. Anybody could write this sketch. Except not. Except for it's the best sketch ever.

01:13:00 Speaker_05
We're like, God damn it, Rich, the guy who wrote it. We're like, that's clever. That's a good one. And we all piled on and everyone had their own names they wanted to add to it. The comedic game was clear and clever.

01:13:09 Speaker_03
But who knew? The legs of it are really fascinating. You just don't tire of it. It's not like you want to hear three names and be done. You want to hear a hundred names.

01:13:18 Speaker_05
You wish it could go on and on and on and on.

01:13:21 Speaker_03
There's a riddle in it. You're trying to figure out, you're like actively listening.

01:13:25 Speaker_05
And you're going, now what's he going to say next? And am I going to be able to figure out what the name really is?

01:13:31 Speaker_03
It was like a weird game. There was probably something dopamine level happening. There's like a slot machine aspect to it.

01:13:36 Speaker_05
which a lot of sketches do. It's funny, the two most popular sketches in the history of Key & Peele both have to do with names. Oh, really? The football name sketch where the guys say their name and what school they went to.

01:13:48 Speaker_05
And they said, oh, let's meet the players from the West, you know, Jack Marius, Tech Fairatrix, Michigan State University. You know, all those people. The first time my manager called us and said, did you see on YouTube how many hits?

01:13:59 Speaker_05
This is 12 years ago. So I went online and he's like, look up the substitute teacher sketch. And I was like, 25 million hits.

01:14:06 Speaker_03
That would be like the season finale of Friends. Right, exactly.

01:14:10 Speaker_05
I mean, it was like, what's happening? We had no idea. It was just a random, like, oh, let's put the teacher sketch on there.

01:14:16 Speaker_03
And look at it now. That's so interesting. Okay, we must now talk about Transformers 1. Yes. No, before we talk about that, this is just a really nosy question. You are in so many mega movies doing VO.

01:14:31 Speaker_03
Lego Movie, Hotel Transylvania, Angry Birds, Super Mario Brothers, Toy Story, The Lion King, Pinocchio, there's way more. Have you made more money doing voiceover than you have acting?

01:14:42 Speaker_05
I'm gonna say no.

01:14:44 Speaker_03
Okay.

01:14:44 Speaker_05
But I think it's gotta be close.

01:14:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, maybe Transformers 1 puts you over.

01:14:48 Speaker_05
It might, because one of the things is, you don't always get paid a ton, especially in a franchise.

01:14:53 Speaker_05
If it's the first movie, you get paid a kind of a nominal fee up front, and then you hope it does well at the box office, and you make money in your bumps.

01:15:00 Speaker_03
I wanna say Kristen might've made 50 grand for Frozen 1.

01:15:03 Speaker_05
Probably, before the bonuses. And then, who knows what she made on Frozen 2?

01:15:06 Speaker_03
$650 million. She has 61% of pros. All of it is put into this ad now. That's right. Can't you tell? That's a good nosy question. Yeah, because where you crush is the residuals of it too. It's the fucking residuals.

01:15:24 Speaker_03
Like when you're in a normal, when you're like without a paddle, lifetime residuals, I don't know what they've hit, maybe 200 grand or something. I know it mostly because stuntmen friends of mine get real residuals.

01:15:32 Speaker_03
And some of these stuntmen are in all the Marvel movies. Of course. These motherfuckers are making $700,000 a year on the residues.

01:15:39 Speaker_05
Yes. Anybody who isn't an A-list actor who's in that movie, the 200 actors, you made more than all of them put together.

01:15:45 Speaker_03
Once you're in these billion-dollar movies, man, you get the residues, bro.

01:15:48 Speaker_08
Well, that's what the strike was a lot about.

01:15:51 Speaker_03
Yeah, all about the residues. Okay, so now Transformers 1. It's fantastic. It's fun. It's exciting. It's a animated version of Transformers.

01:15:59 Speaker_05
Yes. So it's the second animated Transformers film. The first one came out in 1986. And man, is it a strange movie. The cartoon came out in 84 in the States and became such a huge hit.

01:16:11 Speaker_05
And then the thing about this movie that's also very exciting to me, because I'm a big Transformers fan, nostalgically speaking, from childhood. Did you have any of the toys? I had one of them, but I can't remember which one it was.

01:16:22 Speaker_05
I think it was a hand-me-down toy.

01:16:24 Speaker_03
I have some resentment against Transformers. Because you never got to have one of those. I didn't have them, and it's kids in your class were fucking transforming them.

01:16:30 Speaker_05
And there's a group gathered around. Sometimes, I'll be honest with you, I couldn't transform them. It was too complicated. They're very hard. And they're not easy to transform. When I got my hands on one, I couldn't do it. This is barely fun at all.

01:16:44 Speaker_05
It's like a puzzle. If I wanted a Rubik's Cube, I would have... There was one in particular that I wanted called Soundwave. He transformed into a boombox. Oh, fuck yeah.

01:16:54 Speaker_05
And he had the little cassette shoot, and they're little cassettes that turned into mini-transformers. Oh, that's very cool. There was a little dog and a little bird. They were spies.

01:17:04 Speaker_03
Also, the two biggest things in the world at that time were fucking jam boxes and transformers.

01:17:10 Speaker_05
So they combined the two. I watched the movie recently, the old one. And what he does is he goes...

01:17:16 Speaker_05
and he turns into the boom box, and then one of the little spies, the bird, goes inside of him into the cassette shoot, and then he plays what the little bird recorded. You see, he plays what the bird recorded. It's very analog.

01:17:30 Speaker_05
We had such a great time. This is one of the good things, and I think this applies to biopics as well. This seems pretty obvious. But do what you can to write a really good story. And then it's almost like slap the Transformers on later.

01:17:43 Speaker_05
Take all of the intertextuality and all the nostalgia out of it. Write a standalone movie that I would want to go see and get invested in the story. And then you can slap all the other stuff on later. What's the kernel of the story?

01:17:55 Speaker_03
And it has a very primal story, which is in search of power, right?

01:18:00 Speaker_05
They can't transform. And we also meet, we're not ruining anything because it's in the trailer, such a friendship and a bond of brotherhood between the two lead characters. And if you watch how the movie progresses and evolves, it's heartbreaking.

01:18:13 Speaker_05
It's about filial love. It's about brotherhood. It's about friendship and what can rip a friendship asunder.

01:18:20 Speaker_03
And inequality, like not being allowed to have what other people have. And being fleeced, and the system is against you. Yes.

01:18:27 Speaker_05
I know the stakes are very high in the movie, but it's also about letting go. Something that you could let go of that you don't let go of. I'm trying to be vague, but if the attribute of being able to forgive or let go

01:18:40 Speaker_05
existed in this one character, there would be no Megatron. The character's name is D-16. We would not have the world of the Transformers that we have.

01:18:50 Speaker_03
Yeah, because this is an origin story.

01:18:52 Speaker_05
This is an origin story for everybody. And it's interesting because also we hear about in all the Michael Bay movies, how we left Cybertron and Cybertron was destroyed and it was ravaged. It was under attack. Cybertron, Cybertron.

01:19:02 Speaker_05
And you never see Cybertron.

01:19:03 Speaker_03
It's Superman's origin planet.

01:19:05 Speaker_05
Yeah, the Krypton origin. Whereas this whole movie, there's no humans in this movie. They're all Cybertronians or whatever you want to call them. And you get to see Cybertron.

01:19:14 Speaker_05
For people who love Transformers, they're just going to be like, oh, yeah, they're going to be jizzing all over. The floors are going to be sticky.

01:19:24 Speaker_08
Oh, fun.

01:19:25 Speaker_03
Did you get to record with anybody? No. That's a bummer, right? Yeah, it's a bummer. Like, you're in a movie with Hemsworth. Yeah, and Scarlet. My main obsession is Brian Tyree Henry. I just fucking love this guy so much.

01:19:38 Speaker_05
I do too. There's such depth to his work. I like a chameleon actor, a chameleonic actor.

01:19:44 Speaker_03
Ooh, chameleonic, I've never heard that described.

01:19:45 Speaker_05
When you see him in Bullet Train, and then you see him in Atlanta.

01:19:49 Speaker_03
The show is so authentic that I am thinking, Which is my favorite thing is like, oh, they found this guy in Atlanta.

01:19:54 Speaker_05
He's not an actor. He's so good in Atlanta.

01:19:57 Speaker_03
He is. Yeah.

01:19:58 Speaker_08
He's Julliard trained, right? He went somewhere. Yeah.

01:20:01 Speaker_05
It's either Yale or Julliard.

01:20:02 Speaker_03
It's not the streets of Atlanta.

01:20:04 Speaker_05
It's not the street. Yes. Right. Exactly. He didn't go to the school of hard knock. He's like a classically trained actor. We met before, it might've been, he did a movie called Hotel Artemis with Jodie Foster and Sterling K. Brown.

01:20:18 Speaker_05
And I think I met him there and he was a Key & Peele fan and I had seen him on Atlanta and we talked a little bit. So we know each other a little bit. We got to go to Comic-Con together. It was me and him and Chris. We did a Comic-Con panel.

01:20:28 Speaker_03
What's it like being with Hemsworth at Comic-Con?

01:20:29 Speaker_05
Because he's Thor. It's exactly what I expected it to be. In my experience, there's such a different dynamic. I know television doesn't really exist anymore, but between a television performer and a movie star. And an action movie star.

01:20:41 Speaker_05
And an action movie star. So when people did recognize him, it was always... It's that. When people recognize me, they come up to hug me. Because I'm a human. Forget that he plays a superhero. He doesn't look like a human in real life.

01:20:58 Speaker_05
Because nobody can look like that. So he is a fucking superhero. And so people are in awe.

01:21:05 Speaker_03
Don't you want to walk around as him for just like a day?

01:21:08 Speaker_05
Just a day.

01:21:08 Speaker_03
Just to feel what it's like to breathe. Or like, every time you turn over your shoulder, everyone you just passed has stopped what they're doing. And they're like, trying to collect themselves.

01:21:17 Speaker_08
You would hate that.

01:21:19 Speaker_11
For a day?

01:21:19 Speaker_03
As long as the street's all women.

01:21:21 Speaker_08
Yeah, exactly.

01:21:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, if the street is all women. I don't want to turn around and all the dudes on the street are staring at me. I want all the women on the street.

01:21:28 Speaker_05
Because some of those dudes want to fight you. Yes!

01:21:30 Speaker_03
That's the thing.

01:21:31 Speaker_05
Could you imagine being Stallone? I don't think anybody ever thought they could beat up Arnold. But I think people think they might have been able to beat up Stallone. I agree. Why is that? And he's rocky. You know what I mean? Like, yes.

01:21:43 Speaker_03
Yes. I have a fantasy that you could get so tough no one would ever fuck with you again. It bites more. Bumblebee's a good guy to play.

01:21:52 Speaker_05
He was a lot of fun to play, and he's kind of exuberant and fun and positive. And also, the fact that we got to give him a voice. Dan Gilversander, I think was his name, the guy who played Bumblebee in the 80s on the TV show, when he could talk.

01:22:05 Speaker_05
But I love the storyline from the Michael Bay movies when he couldn't speak. It kind of endeared him to people.

01:22:09 Speaker_03
Yes, we like a little robot that can't talk.

01:22:11 Speaker_05
Yeah, that can't talk. He's got a little WALL-E quality to him.

01:22:14 Speaker_03
Yeah. A little Johnny Five. Yeah, Johnny Five, Johnny Five.

01:22:17 Speaker_06
is alive.

01:22:19 Speaker_03
This is neither here nor there. You have probably worked with this guy. He's a good friend of mine, Clay Cullen. He's a stunt coordinator and his father was the original Optimus Prime. Pete Cullen, you know, Peter Cullen. Yeah.

01:22:31 Speaker_03
And he has had secretly this whole life of supporting himself by being Optimus Prime.

01:22:37 Speaker_05
Oh, absolutely, especially back then when you could get paid handsomely for doing voice work. And he did it through the 80s, right, and the current movies.

01:22:44 Speaker_05
And there was a character on the cartoon called Jazz, who was an Autobot, who was voiced by Scatman Crothers. Who's Scatman Crothers? Scatman Crothers was the old bald janitor in The Shining.

01:22:57 Speaker_03
Oh, wow. That's Scatman Crothers. And bought a home and everything. Absolutely. Yes, I love him.

01:23:02 Speaker_05
And he did tons of voices. He did voices of like the Harlem Globetrotters cartoons, all those kind of cheap Korean-made cartoons that came in the late 70s and 80s that were on Saturday morning. And Scatman Crothers, he wasn't buckwheat.

01:23:15 Speaker_05
He was Stimey from The Little Rascals. No way! So Robert Blake was a little rascal and Stimey was a little rascal. I know a little bit about childhood actors. So Uncle Fester from The Addams Family, Jackie Coogan, is the kid. Oh, the Coogan principal.

01:23:32 Speaker_05
The Coogan font. The Coogan account. The Coogan account, yes. Jackie Coogan, the kid from The Tramp, the little kid that's in the movie with Charlie Chaplin, is Jackie Coogan, who played Uncle Fester.

01:23:42 Speaker_03
And you know how much your parents have to rip you off to get known as the Coogan account?

01:23:47 Speaker_05
As the Coogan account. That it's named after Jackie Coogan and not after Gary Coleman. Yeah, exactly.

01:23:53 Speaker_03
Well, it's a very, very good animated movie. Like, it's so well done.

01:23:58 Speaker_05
Josh Cooley, the guy who wrote it and directed it, his pedigree is second to none. He's a Pixar guy. He did Toy Story 4. That's where we met, and he's really quite brilliant. And so, people should see this movie. It's really terrific.

01:24:09 Speaker_03
Yeah, it really is. It's very cool that they decided to do an animated version. An animated version of it.

01:24:14 Speaker_05
I think it's right, because you can do anything you want.

01:24:16 Speaker_03
Okay. The very last thing I'm going to ask you to do, I've been trying to get him on passionately with emails and friends of friends for six and a half years. I've offered to fly to go interview him. Yeah. Shaquille.

01:24:32 Speaker_03
I would like to interview Shaquille for just a few minutes. Shaquille, you're down in Atlanta or Florida now? I'm in Florida.

01:24:41 Speaker_06
Sometimes I'm trying to get back on the TNT. Oh! Get our show back. Trying to get our show back. And you're in the boating now? Did I see you? I'm in the boating. I'm the anchor.

01:24:59 Speaker_10
Oh, that's so good.

01:25:00 Speaker_03
I fucking love Shaquille O'Neal. Shaquille O'Neal. He's the single best follow on Instagram.

01:25:04 Speaker_05
He, you know what he is? He's the Snoop Dogg of basketball. He's the other Snoop Dogg.

01:25:10 Speaker_03
You're absolutely right. You know who Snoop Dogg is?

01:25:12 Speaker_05
Our coolest uncle.

01:25:14 Speaker_03
Yes. Yes.

01:25:14 Speaker_05
Shaq's the other coolest uncle.

01:25:17 Speaker_03
They're the two mascots for fucking having fun. Once a month, he has fallen in love with a song and he's learned the words and now he's just going to do a dance routine and sing the whole song for you while he's doing whatever else he's doing.

01:25:28 Speaker_03
And I was like, could this guy be happier and more fun loving? Content. When you interview anyone that's worked with Shaquille, they're like, oh, greatest two years of my life being teammates with Shaquille. Don't forget to have fun.

01:25:40 Speaker_03
Winning's good, but like your life is the other shit. He's really inspirational, Shaquille.

01:25:45 Speaker_05
You're right. Don't forget to have fun. And you go, oh, that's frivolous. It's not. It's important.

01:25:49 Speaker_03
Well, Keegan, I always love when I bump into you. It happens occasionally and we get on so well.

01:25:54 Speaker_05
It's always great. We always have a good time when we see each other. The problem is when I'm here, I stay in Century City. That's perverted. I lived in Los Feliz for 17 years. So if I can hook up with Jordan, we'll have dinner.

01:26:06 Speaker_05
And I was like, I will come to you. And a part of that, to be honest with you, is I might bump into Dax and Kristen.

01:26:14 Speaker_03
We could definitely put some effort into arranging that. We would love to. That would be great. Century City, you have a favorite hotel there or something? Yeah, the Fairmont Century Plaza. We love it there. Directly across from CAA?

01:26:23 Speaker_05
Directly across from CAA.

01:26:24 Speaker_03
Are you represented there? I am represented at CAA. I would get like, I would get a, one of those long... A peashooter to my agent. No, I'd get one of those like pirates binocular, just the one long one. With a telescope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:34 Speaker_03
And I would try to see my agent. Making deals.

01:26:39 Speaker_05
This has been amazing.

01:26:40 Speaker_03
Yeah, so much fun. Yeah, thanks for showing us. Long time coming, so glad you're here. Everybody see Transformers 1. It's fantastic. You're fantastic. This has been a blast. Let's do it again.

01:26:49 Speaker_05
You're fantastic. You're fantastic.

01:26:51 Speaker_03
I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. I'm in there, dog. Tuck it. Tuck it.

01:26:53 Speaker_05
Tuck it.

01:26:54 Speaker_03
I'm gonna tuck it.

01:26:54 Speaker_05
I'm gonna tuck it.

01:26:58 Speaker_09
Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

01:27:08 Speaker_11
Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

01:27:17 Speaker_08
Hi. Hi. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

01:27:20 Speaker_03
Welcome, welcome, welcome. Who did I want to say that? Oh, I was trying, I was rehearsing the other day doing it as Steven Seagal. I was wondering if I could do a whole intro as him.

01:27:27 Speaker_08
Oh, wow. You probably could.

01:27:29 Speaker_03
I got stuck on talking like him. You know how I do. Around the house.

01:27:32 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:27:33 Speaker_11
I was just like, oh, my mother, every time I talk, I come in and say, You don't know this about me, but I've been a sheriff for 22 years in Wayne Parish. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

01:27:44 Speaker_10
Oh, see, yeah, this is what happens. You just can't stop.

01:27:46 Speaker_03
I know, I know why he talks like that. It feels good.

01:27:49 Speaker_08
Really?

01:27:49 Speaker_03
You should try it in your apartment tonight. I know you won't do it here live.

01:27:52 Speaker_08
Yeah, I won't.

01:27:53 Speaker_03
But it feels good. It's like almost drunk.

01:27:56 Speaker_08
Yeah. Yeah, it's like half in half out.

01:28:01 Speaker_03
My algorithm just will not stop delivering me. Every day I see five or six new funny videos where he claims he taught someone a lethal kick and it's incredible.

01:28:12 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:28:13 Speaker_03
So we have I have some. some, I guess, housekeeping or just some update on Aaron and I's crazy trip.

01:28:20 Speaker_08
Let's hear it.

01:28:22 Speaker_03
Well, some people will know, but Aaron and I went to, we landed in Dallas, picked up Big Brown and immediately went to a Sprouts. and did a beer tasting of Ted Seeger's. And they're 90 minutes long. And we met several hundred arm cherries.

01:28:44 Speaker_03
And the things that arm cherries are doing in the wild, okay, I sent you some of them. One is a gal showed up, did I already tell you this one? Showed up with a baseball hat that said, really great station.

01:28:58 Speaker_08
I mean, you're not gonna get better than that. No, that's so good.

01:29:02 Speaker_03
Two lovely, unassuming ladies, this was, I think, in Memphis, showed up in, no, it was in another part of Dallas, showed up in two matching shirts with unicorns on them, because they know I don't like unicorns, and it says, spray all day.

01:29:16 Speaker_08
Wow.

01:29:17 Speaker_03
Yeah, and there's, did you notice that? Because I sent you a picture, I said, look at these shirts. I don't know if you, did you see it said spray all day?

01:29:23 Speaker_08
I did, I'm just trying to act like it.

01:29:24 Speaker_03
Oh, you're trying to act like you didn't see it. That's helpful, yeah. Okay, keep playing along like that. So there was these shirts, and there were unicorns on it. And guess what it said?

01:29:33 Speaker_08
What did it say?

01:29:34 Speaker_03
Spray all day.

01:29:34 Speaker_08
What? That's brand new information. What's that smell? Do you think the unicorns came from the unicorn conversation about the mug?

01:29:43 Speaker_03
I do. Wow. But I don't like unicorns. They're fast.

01:29:46 Speaker_08
They're on top of it.

01:29:47 Speaker_03
Oh, they're really, really fast. So many cool things. Oh, we got a framed photo of Chris Lydon.

01:29:54 Speaker_08
Stop.

01:29:55 Speaker_03
Yes.

01:29:56 Speaker_08
Where is it?

01:29:56 Speaker_03
We got so much stuff. The bus is full of fun stuff. I couldn't bring it all back in this trip. I'm going to have to be bringing it back after Christmas or something.

01:30:07 Speaker_08
These sweet arm cherries.

01:30:08 Speaker_03
Oh my God. So many sweet arm cherries. We did seven of these meet and greets in like 50 hours.

01:30:17 Speaker_08
Yeah. You did a lot. You packed in a lot.

01:30:19 Speaker_03
And we drove 700 miles in the bus. It was scheduled. I should have looked better at the schedule.

01:30:26 Speaker_08
Okay, you felt overwhelmed.

01:30:28 Speaker_03
I'm in a pattern right now of I should have paid more attention to certain things. No, no, no. I'm kind of at a low point.

01:30:34 Speaker_08
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:30:35 Speaker_03
Okay, okay.

01:30:36 Speaker_08
It's important to delegate.

01:30:38 Speaker_03
Yeah. And so... You can't not. You have to. Or you gotta do way less stuff.

01:30:43 Speaker_08
You have to delegate and you did that a couple times and you don't love the result, but that's life.

01:30:53 Speaker_03
Listen, I also, I love the result. Aaron and I had so much fun. We met, you know, we met a couple thousand armchairs.

01:31:00 Speaker_08
Were any of them not armchairs or was everyone an armchair?

01:31:04 Speaker_03
There were a couple of folks that like saw there was a commotion in the store. then recognize me from a movie. But I think for them, it was probably really confusing because people would come up, I hug everybody, and then we would talk for a while.

01:31:20 Speaker_03
And I heard some really, really powerful and heartbreaking and beautiful stories, people's family members who have OD, people with addict parents, you know.

01:31:32 Speaker_03
So I think for the person that had just seen me in Chips, they were a little confused by what was going on. Like, what is this? This guy, this guy from the movie, he's hugging everyone and he's talking for a really long time about chips?

01:31:43 Speaker_08
Well, it would make sense because you're in a grocery store and it's like, maybe he's bringing back chips. Maybe it's chips 2 and it's a tie in with potato chips.

01:31:51 Speaker_03
Back to that initial confusion over the title. Oh, and this hilarious thing started happening where people were bringing their babies And the babies kept getting younger and younger.

01:32:00 Speaker_03
And we're holding the babies in the photos and bouncing the babies, and I'm playing with their toes. And I love babies. I really, I remembered how much I love babies on this trip. But the babies kept getting younger.

01:32:12 Speaker_03
And there was a moment where we were holding identical twins that were five weeks old.

01:32:16 Speaker_11
Did I send you a picture of that?

01:32:18 Speaker_08
If you did, I'm gonna pretend like you didn't.

01:32:20 Speaker_03
Oh, right, right. Now I won't know what I, okay. It's gonna be hard to navigate this. And we're like, well, that's gotta be the youngest, five weeks old. Nope. I held a baby that was two weeks old.

01:32:29 Speaker_08
What?

01:32:30 Speaker_03
And then our joke became, we're going to hear a woman in labor in like the next aisle and they were going to hand us this slippery baby. This baby's just born in this grocery store.

01:32:40 Speaker_08
Oh my God. Literally kissing babies?

01:32:44 Speaker_03
I felt like I was like maybe running for an office. He has so many babies. And now I know that's the favorite part of their job. Cause you get those little tiny little soft little babies.

01:32:53 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:32:54 Speaker_03
And they all look so different. There's a great variety of babies, even though they're all miniature.

01:32:58 Speaker_08
I wonder if I should say what I think.

01:33:01 Speaker_03
Some of the babies weren't attractive?

01:33:02 Speaker_08
Well, I didn't see any and I wasn't sure.

01:33:04 Speaker_03
Oh, they were all very attractive babies.

01:33:05 Speaker_08
I'm sure they were very hot babies. Yeah, hot hot babies.

01:33:09 Speaker_03
Sexy babies, they were very sexy.

01:33:10 Speaker_08
Yeah, of course. But I like babies once they're some months old.

01:33:16 Speaker_03
They feel too fragile for you? Knock on wood all the time when you're with them?

01:33:21 Speaker_08
I know they're not fragile. They just came out of a vagina in a vulva. And they got yanked out of there.

01:33:28 Speaker_03
Oh, and they get handled like a chicken when they come out. Exactly.

01:33:30 Speaker_08
But I do think they're scary. You know, they're brand new. You don't know them yet. And it's like, who are they? They're strangers. And then, I'm just gonna be honest, I don't, I don't think they're cute yet.

01:33:43 Speaker_08
I don't think they're cute until they're three months old. And you know what's funny?

01:33:49 Speaker_03
Hot take, very hot take.

01:33:50 Speaker_08
Yeah, I know. I wonder if it's really gonna bite me.

01:33:53 Speaker_03
But it's my truth. It's your truth. What a couple fights you've picked. Dog community, huge, thriving, well-organized militant, and now the new moms community.

01:34:04 Speaker_08
Don't forget the Rhode Islanders.

01:34:06 Speaker_03
Oh, little brother energy.

01:34:08 Speaker_08
And Arizona State.

01:34:09 Speaker_03
Oh, yes, but you've taken back your... I have because of that one guy.

01:34:14 Speaker_08
Really turned it all around.

01:34:15 Speaker_03
That's all it takes sometimes is one person's story.

01:34:18 Speaker_08
One vote can make a difference. They don't like interact with you with their cute eyes and stuff until they're about three months old.

01:34:26 Speaker_03
Well, that's the challenge when you get this little 18 day old baby and you see if you can get a little reaction, startle it, spook it. No, I didn't spook any of them. Can I tell you one funny thing? All the babies liked me a lot.

01:34:39 Speaker_03
But a lot, most of these babies have been hearing my voice since they were in utero.

01:34:43 Speaker_08
They think you're their dad.

01:34:44 Speaker_03
I am their dad.

01:34:45 Speaker_08
No.

01:34:46 Speaker_03
Oh, right. That's what cult leader thinks that.

01:34:48 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:34:48 Speaker_03
I was like, oh, I'm starting on a great footing with these babies. They've already heard my voice a bunch. Because when they first walk up, too tall, too many drawings on his arm, doesn't look right. Yeah. Scary.

01:34:58 Speaker_03
Then hear the voice and all of a sudden, goo goo ga ga.

01:35:01 Speaker_08
Yeah, but also, you know, they can't really see colors yet, and they only can see black and white at first.

01:35:07 Speaker_11
Are you sure about this?

01:35:07 Speaker_08
Yeah, I am.

01:35:08 Speaker_11
That doesn't feel right.

01:35:10 Speaker_08
It is. Hold on. Newborns see in black and white and shades of gray. But they can detect some color if it's highly saturated, relatively large, that's you.

01:35:20 Speaker_03
That's me.

01:35:21 Speaker_08
And a certain hue like red. You don't have red hair.

01:35:24 Speaker_03
My skin sometimes looks red.

01:35:25 Speaker_08
Okay, speaking of that, sometimes I do think we look pretty orange. And I wanna just tell the people, I don't look that orange in real life.

01:35:36 Speaker_03
Someone did mention that I was wearing too much makeup. And I was like, well, maybe I got a little heavy handed with the bronzer. That could have been.

01:35:43 Speaker_08
It's not makeup.

01:35:44 Speaker_03
It's the tint of the.

01:35:46 Speaker_08
Something's happening that's making us look orange.

01:35:49 Speaker_03
I like it though. I know, I know you do. We look warm and friendly.

01:35:51 Speaker_08
And actually in my head I was like, because before we started the show, we were like all going through the video and making notes and stuff. And I was like, it's looking orange to me. And you were like, I like it. And I was like.

01:36:02 Speaker_03
Yeah, but we did change.

01:36:04 Speaker_08
And then we changed, but then I thought maybe you secretly told Rob to change back.

01:36:07 Speaker_03
I didn't do that, right, Rob? Correct, you did not. I did not do that.

01:36:10 Speaker_08
Rob, swear on your baby.

01:36:13 Speaker_03
Swear on my baby.

01:36:13 Speaker_08
You're black and white.

01:36:15 Speaker_03
We just got naturally oranger, I think.

01:36:17 Speaker_08
I'm not orange. You could be the cow.

01:36:18 Speaker_03
Listen, I don't have a ton of integrity, but when there's a group vote and I lose in this dynamic, happens pretty frequently, I don't bring it back up. Okay, I accept my outvotedness.

01:36:33 Speaker_08
I wasn't mad, but I was like, oh This is not looking this looking a little orange for me And I just want to tell people that I wanted to be more appealing to the half of the country we've we've slowly made some adjustments like the even the

01:36:48 Speaker_07
bookshelf lights are now on, and they weren't when we did the color test, so there is going to be an adjustment overall.

01:36:55 Speaker_08
Well, we might need to adjust again.

01:36:57 Speaker_03
I'd rather be looking too warm than too cold.

01:36:59 Speaker_08
I know, but see, wow, we're about to get into something deep.

01:37:04 Speaker_03
Okay, great. Racial.

01:37:05 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:37:06 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:37:06 Speaker_08
You know, the world is used to lighting white people. Well, you know what I mean. Really, though. Like, the same lighting for you is gonna look much different than lighting for me.

01:37:19 Speaker_03
Absolutely. When Kristen and Cheadle were in a scene together, it's almost impossible to light them.

01:37:25 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:37:25 Speaker_03
To get Cheadle's face to be really bright and sharp, Kristen would be blown out.

01:37:30 Speaker_08
Exactly. This is real. And we can't because we all switch places and do like I sit there sometimes I sit here sometimes. So we can't really dial in perfect lighting. But I just in case any suitors like it's mainly this is towards suitors.

01:37:46 Speaker_03
Just know you're not as orange.

01:37:47 Speaker_08
Yeah. It's not like something we're doing for Halloween or like fall. An orange tent. It is what it is. And I don't look this way. And also.

01:37:58 Speaker_03
But you know, you do look this way because everyone's saying you're so hot.

01:38:01 Speaker_08
Well, I don't. So if you do like it, I also don't look this way and be prepared. And if you see me in real life.

01:38:06 Speaker_03
It's so interesting to have three different looks, potentially, because we have what people thought we look like in photographs upstairs. Now we're on video. And then you also have real life.

01:38:14 Speaker_08
Three versions.

01:38:15 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:38:16 Speaker_08
Oh my God.

01:38:17 Speaker_03
You remembered?

01:38:18 Speaker_08
Ding, ding, ding.

01:38:19 Speaker_03
Or completely new thought. Okay.

01:38:21 Speaker_08
Completely new thought. But you'll see why I got here. I did my cognitive test yesterday.

01:38:28 Speaker_03
I'm really glad you're bringing this up. I did mine too on Friday.

01:38:32 Speaker_08
You did?

01:38:33 Speaker_03
Yeah. Do you guys have your results back yet?

01:38:35 Speaker_08
No, I just did it yesterday.

01:38:36 Speaker_03
I didn't know there were results. Oh yeah, there's results. I got mine yesterday.

01:38:40 Speaker_08
Dax got his results yesterday.

01:38:42 Speaker_03
I did.

01:38:42 Speaker_08
What do you want to brag about? Go ahead. Or are you not bragging?

01:38:51 Speaker_03
No, I'm bragging.

01:38:51 Speaker_08
Okay.

01:38:52 Speaker_03
I want to say like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to frame this in a way where it's not repugnant that I'm going to brag. And the way I did that at home was to say, it's very nice to hear with my childhood. Yeah. Like if a doctor

01:39:06 Speaker_08
How many times, though, are you gonna have to hear it? Like, you did the test for dyslexia, and it was the same situation. You're super high.

01:39:16 Speaker_03
But your scars are still with you, right?

01:39:18 Speaker_08
No, I don't have any.

01:39:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, you feel beautiful.

01:39:21 Speaker_08
I don't have any.

01:39:22 Speaker_03
Total unanimous consensus, and it's not penetrating? I'm totally fixed.

01:39:28 Speaker_08
Okay, wait. Okay, so go ahead, and I wanna know about your results.

01:39:32 Speaker_03
He was like, he was blown away. He's like, I, maybe because I read dumb as well, maybe, but you know, whatever. Don't do all this. Just tell us. Okay. Sorry. I was 99th percentile on two things and I was a hundredth in one. I set a record on the test.

01:39:47 Speaker_08
What was the one you, what was the hundredth?

01:39:49 Speaker_03
I'm guessing.

01:39:50 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:39:51 Speaker_03
The thing I'm imagining I said a hundred on is when they would give me a letter and I would think of words. Cause I was just blasting.

01:39:58 Speaker_08
I was rough on that.

01:39:59 Speaker_03
I did terrible. I think it's probably normal to be bad at that.

01:40:03 Speaker_08
Part of it is, and I kept thinking about this after, because this was my own self-defense, where I was like, could this be test anxiety? Because there's a person there administrating the test. You're not on your own. It's time.

01:40:15 Speaker_03
You say as many words that start with an F in a minute.

01:40:17 Speaker_08
Exactly. There's one section of the test where she goes away. The real life lady goes away, and you're doing some pattern recognition, and it's just on the computer. And so no one's watching you.

01:40:27 Speaker_02
Yes.

01:40:28 Speaker_08
And I was really good at that.

01:40:31 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:31 Speaker_08
And there was a part of me that was like, I think it has to do with feeling like I have to perform for this woman.

01:40:36 Speaker_03
Yes.

01:40:37 Speaker_08
Okay, so you think it was the letters.

01:40:39 Speaker_03
Well, I may have made a mistake in all of this because I was well-rested, it was ideal situation, blah, blah, blah. We hadn't recorded that day.

01:40:50 Speaker_03
I'm almost thinking, well, fuck, I'm just not gonna do as good on the test in two years and it's gonna look like I have Alzheimer's, but really it's just like I was on fire that day. I was on a good day. Yes.

01:40:59 Speaker_08
I also struggle with this because the night before I had a girl's dinner at my house where I cooked, and of course we had wine. Yes. And I was like, I thought about, should I not have wine? Because I have this cognitive test tomorrow.

01:41:10 Speaker_08
Then I was like, but that's dumb because I normally have wine.

01:41:13 Speaker_03
Right, right, right.

01:41:13 Speaker_08
So I wanna get the baseline.

01:41:15 Speaker_03
The real baseline.

01:41:16 Speaker_08
And then I did think, well, that will be interesting if I do like take a big break from drinking and then take it again.

01:41:24 Speaker_03
And they go, uh-oh, you have reverse Alzheimer's. Your brain's getting better and better and better. We don't know how to stop it.

01:41:29 Speaker_08
Okay. Okay. Well, I'm proud of you and I'm not surprised.

01:41:33 Speaker_03
I was really delighted.

01:41:34 Speaker_08
I think you probably did really good. Really, really good on there's a section where she tells a story and you have to repeat back. as many details as you can from the story and like, best case scenario, you're kind of saving it for baby.

01:41:48 Speaker_03
The football player goes fishing and he gets bit, but he's still able to go and perform well. He's a star quarterback. 17 stitches.

01:41:57 Speaker_08
Oh, I think I said 14. It was on his left hand, left ring finger. He played for the Atlanta Panthers.

01:42:04 Speaker_03
I think he did better than me.

01:42:06 Speaker_08
Why did he yesterday? And he was still able to perform on Sunday against the Thrashers. And so I also had a leg up because there's no Atlanta Panthers. And I know that.

01:42:19 Speaker_07
There is Atlanta Thrashers, though.

01:42:21 Speaker_08
That's the hockey team.

01:42:22 Speaker_07
Oh, wow.

01:42:23 Speaker_08
So I knew a little more about them.

01:42:25 Speaker_03
You feel like you had a regional advantage.

01:42:27 Speaker_08
And he was the captain and the quarterback. I added captain in very last minute. She was like, is there anything else? And I was like, no. And then I was like, captain!

01:42:35 Speaker_03
I think you did better than me at that one. I said, do you think this is nature or nurture? This is my job of three times a week learning everything I can about a person and a subject and then having to repeat it.

01:42:48 Speaker_03
And so much verbal practice, so much verbal dexterity, just practice from talking so much, you know, or is it my activity? I have noticed there's this, I think there's a suspicious level of clarity and alertness among talk show hosts as they age.

01:43:04 Speaker_03
Like Stern still sounds 40 years old. Letterman still sounds like, I think the job has something to do with, it must.

01:43:14 Speaker_08
It's like any job. I mean, you're working a muscle and a skill and that's why after people retire, often there's a huge drop off.

01:43:21 Speaker_03
Well, I thought about that. Might make you happy. I was like, well shit, if I'm not doing this job, am I going to be in the 10th percentile?

01:43:30 Speaker_08
There's a lot to glean from these tests. Like, they should do it midway through someone's career, then at the end, then after retirement, and, like, see what's happening.

01:43:42 Speaker_08
I'm nervous to get my results, but also, I— I told— I was like, this is humbling. And she was like, yeah, she's like, you have no idea. People get so mad. She's like, I've had a lot of people leave in the middle.

01:43:58 Speaker_03
Sure, they're embarrassed.

01:43:59 Speaker_08
They're so upset. They think they're operating at a certain level. Did you do good on that drawing one?

01:44:04 Speaker_03
Everyone thinks they're above average at everything. Remember these tests we learned?

01:44:07 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:44:08 Speaker_03
What did you just say, what one?

01:44:09 Speaker_08
Remember the drawing one where you have to do like 1A, 2B, I liked that one. Yeah, yeah.

01:44:14 Speaker_03
I liked that one, but I fucked one of them up.

01:44:16 Speaker_08
Really?

01:44:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, I started going too fast and I missed one. So you're going to be 100th in everything because it sounds like you did better than me.

01:44:23 Speaker_08
No, I didn't, the one thing that I do know I did well at, because I could see her surprise.

01:44:28 Speaker_10
Counting backwards.

01:44:30 Speaker_08
And I think it was surprise because I was not good at the other ones. I think people will find these interesting. So I'm gonna say what some of the games were, okay?

01:44:38 Speaker_03
By the way, I had to have a talk with Dr. Richard Isaacson. He's like, how much are you gonna be talking about on the podcast? I was like, oh, very fair question, let's talk.

01:44:46 Speaker_08
Are we allowed?

01:44:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, like what do you, I go, you know, it was introduced on an episode, so it's like, So I said, it's funny enough. I go, I know we'll talk about the cognitive tests.

01:44:55 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:44:55 Speaker_03
Oh yeah, that's fine.

01:44:56 Speaker_08
Okay. Yeah. There's like a C, this is like an hour and a half long thing. There's lots of different tests. And the first one, yes, she tells a story and you have to repeat back as much as you can. Then there's like- A list of random words.

01:45:11 Speaker_08
A list of random words, five. There's first she just does five. And then you do that. And then later she does a list of 15 words. And then you come back to it later.

01:45:23 Speaker_02
Like an hour later, yeah.

01:45:24 Speaker_08
Oh my God. This morning I was trying to see if I could do them today.

01:45:29 Speaker_07
Yeah, of course.

01:45:29 Speaker_08
I can do some.

01:45:30 Speaker_07
Should we try it? I did so bad. I got like three.

01:45:35 Speaker_03
When we found out Rob was too stupid to work with us.

01:45:39 Speaker_08
Rob, you probably had test anxiety.

01:45:42 Speaker_07
I did and I didn't sleep well either.

01:45:44 Speaker_03
You do this thing where you find that out and then you start replaying every interaction you've ever had with Rob and you go, oh yeah, maybe that time he was- Maybe it's just because he could only remember three words.

01:45:53 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:45:55 Speaker_07
But when they had them all listed on the grid, I was able to get them all there.

01:46:00 Speaker_08
I got them all there too.

01:46:01 Speaker_07
I was pretty confident in that.

01:46:02 Speaker_08
Yeah. Okay, so there was one where she would give a list of numbers. She'd say 6, 8, 9, and you'd have to repeat them back in backwards order, 9, 8, 6. And then she kept adding numbers to that until you made a mistake.

01:46:20 Speaker_08
And she said, I did really well on that.

01:46:23 Speaker_03
Oh, wonderful.

01:46:27 Speaker_08
I'm proud of that. Anyway, it was interesting. It was really interesting. It was stressful. By the time I was doing the patterns, I was like, I'm so tired.

01:46:37 Speaker_08
Another thing I think I did quite well on, though I don't know for sure, but I feel very confident that I got 100 on the smell test.

01:46:45 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, and I certainly didn't.

01:46:47 Speaker_08
Did he tell you?

01:46:48 Speaker_07
No. Did you guys finish any tests early?

01:46:51 Speaker_08
I finished the pattern one so early I had to wait five minutes. You know, because they- On the computer, the one you do on the computer. Yeah, they make you wait because they want enough time to pass before you do that original pattern thing.

01:47:01 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, I had to wait. I had to wait an hour or something.

01:47:03 Speaker_07
What about the ones from the lady?

01:47:06 Speaker_08
I don't know. What do you mean early?

01:47:08 Speaker_07
Well, the color one, I had like an extra 15 seconds and she was like, oh, you've got 15 extra seconds. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I didn't. I don't think I had that.

01:47:15 Speaker_08
I didn't have that. I don't think I finished it. Were you supposed to? I mean, of course you were, but like, I thought most people couldn't. Oh, it's so stressful. I want to take it again tomorrow.

01:47:27 Speaker_03
I don't ever want to take it again. I did good. Now I don't want to touch it again.

01:47:31 Speaker_08
That's how we're very different in that way.

01:47:33 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:47:34 Speaker_08
I want to keep taking it until I am a hundredth and every Yeah, yeah.

01:47:39 Speaker_03
Yeah. I have a good sense of like sometimes you get lucky don't mess with it. Yeah Yeah, okay Erin trip. Yeah, because I haven't given any review Erin and I first of all, we slept at Gordon Keith's house So fun, which was so fun friend of the pod.

01:47:55 Speaker_08
We go back and listen in our yeah

01:47:57 Speaker_03
Yes. Archive. Listen, go in the archives. Also, just sniff around the archives. Revisit stuff.

01:48:02 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:48:03 Speaker_03
Yeah. Even if it's for two minutes. But we had a really fun dinner out with Gordon. He was such a good host. He picked us up at the bus and all. It was wonderful. We watched that first night we started Kristen's show. Oh, yeah. Nobody wants this.

01:48:19 Speaker_03
First episode, good. Like it. Second episode, that kiss hits.

01:48:26 Speaker_08
at the end of the episode. Yeah. Yeah.

01:48:29 Speaker_03
Oh my God. We were both like, oh my God, that's the best kiss scene I've ever seen in a show. I put it at number one. Aaron goes, does she ever kiss you like that? And I go, no, not at all.

01:48:42 Speaker_03
And Aaron's like, I don't know who I want to be in this scenario, him or her.

01:48:46 Speaker_08
Everyone.

01:48:48 Speaker_03
Everyone. You would have thought we watched the battle scene from like a gladiator or something. It was like an action set piece.

01:48:58 Speaker_08
It's a great scene. But that's also how we're different.

01:49:03 Speaker_03
Okay.

01:49:04 Speaker_08
It's such a good scene and they have incredible chemistry.

01:49:07 Speaker_03
It was shot perfectly. Everything was done perfectly. And the fact that they come back to it for a second hit at the end,

01:49:14 Speaker_08
See, I don't even, I don't remember that.

01:49:15 Speaker_03
Like they're going to have their one big kiss. Yeah. Then they had it. Ooh, that was something. Then they chat for a minute and they're like, okay, this is. Oh yeah. Let's do one more. And they fucking do it again. Can't help themselves. Yeah.

01:49:26 Speaker_03
And Aaron and I were both like, we're going to watch this kiss over and over again. We sprayed all day.

01:49:32 Speaker_08
I'm so glad I'm married to her.

01:49:34 Speaker_03
No, I'm- I would have felt like that. Well, I'm like proud of her.

01:49:40 Speaker_08
Yes, she killed it.

01:49:41 Speaker_03
I'm like, her flirt game in the first episode was so- Well, that's what I was about to say. Okay.

01:49:49 Speaker_08
So for me, like the kiss is great. The thing that was making my eyes like pop out of my head was the combo of, in the first episode, the dinner.

01:49:59 Speaker_02
Yes.

01:50:00 Speaker_08
Well, basically since she walks into that party to when she gets in her car, there's like so much flirtation from both of them.

01:50:10 Speaker_03
And it's done so confidently.

01:50:13 Speaker_08
From both, they're both like so confident and it's so playful and there's so much banter. And that for me is that- Titillating. That's the titillating part.

01:50:21 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:50:22 Speaker_08
More than the kiss for me.

01:50:23 Speaker_03
Yeah, so I was really proud of her.

01:50:26 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:50:26 Speaker_03
Like she really nailed that whole thing. So I was so proud of her. I was, um, I was so impressed with how Brody handled that whole thing. Like the way he put it on her, with the hand, the whole thing. I got it now with the hand.

01:50:40 Speaker_08
Yeah, you guys, if you want to go back and listen to our episode with Kristen and Adam, we, you know, we talk a lot about this show.

01:50:46 Speaker_03
Even if it's only for a couple minutes, just listen.

01:50:48 Speaker_08
If you want to just listen for two minutes. And in fact, actually, what you should do is go back in the archives and listen to all the episodes you've done with Kristen and we've done one with Adam as well.

01:50:57 Speaker_08
So yes, if you want to listen to two minutes of all of those, we would appreciate it.

01:51:01 Speaker_03
Yeah, we would love that. Yeah. Get into our catalog. Even if it's just for two minutes at a time. Anyway, yeah, we had lots of fun.

01:51:11 Speaker_08
That's so good. Yeah.

01:51:13 Speaker_03
How was your trip to home?

01:51:15 Speaker_08
Oh, yeah.

01:51:16 Speaker_03
It's my turn to act like I have no clue.

01:51:18 Speaker_08
I went home for a couple days. It was nice. I saw some old friends, which was really nice. I went to my brother's new apartment, which was lovely. How's that? Really nice. Really nice and in a really cute area by the Brave Stadium.

01:51:37 Speaker_08
The area right around it's called the Battery and it has like all these restaurants and it's really cute. So we walked to dinner and it was lovely. And I don't think I was my best self.

01:51:49 Speaker_11
Okay.

01:51:54 Speaker_08
Which felt sad. It felt like a slip up because my parents came in the summer and it was and my brother came and it was such a great trip.

01:52:04 Speaker_02
Yes.

01:52:04 Speaker_08
It really was very good and important for me and like great. It was great.

01:52:09 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:52:10 Speaker_08
But then I just sort of like. Reverted.

01:52:15 Speaker_03
Well, you're in your childhood bedroom.

01:52:17 Speaker_08
I'm not.

01:52:18 Speaker_03
Oh.

01:52:19 Speaker_08
I mean, I'm in the childhood house, but different bedroom, because my brother took my bedroom, obviously. Right. I also had a bug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As we established. I got confirmation.

01:52:29 Speaker_08
Before I left, I was hanging out with this person, and they were tired. And I was like, oh, I hope you don't have my bug.

01:52:35 Speaker_09
Yeah.

01:52:36 Speaker_08
And I was like, did you shit your pants?

01:52:38 Speaker_03
As a joke.

01:52:39 Speaker_08
And they said yes. They had.

01:52:41 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah. The shit your pants bug.

01:52:46 Speaker_08
It was.

01:52:47 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:52:47 Speaker_08
It was. So I then I was like, oh my God, this bug is real. Yeah. It just lingered that fucking thing. I think it's over. I think I'm over it now for real. So anywho, I had that little bug still there.

01:53:08 Speaker_08
So I didn't, it was eating up all the energy, mental energy I had that normally goes to me being like nice, my best self. And so it ate all my best self parts. And so all that was left was my not so great self.

01:53:22 Speaker_03
Yeah. Now, do you think you're, when you leave your parents are hurt or are they just like, Oh, who cares?

01:53:27 Speaker_08
I don't like thinking about it.

01:53:28 Speaker_03
Okay. Let's not think about it.

01:53:30 Speaker_08
I'm sure. I'm sure they don't feel awesome. And also, I think they'd rather me be there in a bad... As your cranky self. Yeah, which is also sad.

01:53:41 Speaker_03
Yeah, they'll take what they can get.

01:53:43 Speaker_08
These parents... You know, parents, I know. It's such a thankless job. I feel so bad for all of you.

01:53:49 Speaker_03
Well, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

01:53:52 Speaker_08
Oh, remember what Delta said the other day?

01:53:54 Speaker_03
Yeah, she's going to name her child after you.

01:53:57 Speaker_08
That was so cute.

01:53:58 Speaker_03
We're driving down the road and she just announced, I'm going to name my daughter Monica.

01:54:02 Speaker_10
So cute.

01:54:04 Speaker_03
You know what she's going to name her son?

01:54:06 Speaker_10
Dax?

01:54:07 Speaker_03
Yeah. That came after. So you were first and if she has a boy.

01:54:17 Speaker_08
Okay.

01:54:18 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:54:19 Speaker_08
Oh my God. She is so cute.

01:54:22 Speaker_03
We'll have to retire at that point, because it'll be too problematic for the children.

01:54:27 Speaker_08
But you know what could be so cute? They could take on the business.

01:54:31 Speaker_03
Take it over.

01:54:32 Speaker_08
And then it'd still be Jax and Monica.

01:54:34 Speaker_03
Oh, that sounds good. Yeah. I like that. That's probably like 45 years away, though.

01:54:40 Speaker_08
Yeah, that's a while. Okay, let's do a couple facts. Okay. This is for Keegan.

01:54:46 Speaker_02
Keegan. What fun. Yes.

01:54:48 Speaker_08
Oh my God. Also, encyclopedic knowledge of comedy.

01:54:53 Speaker_02
Yes, intimidatingly so.

01:54:54 Speaker_08
We said after, we were like, we could have had him on on a Thursday as an expert in comedy.

01:54:59 Speaker_03
Really, truly.

01:55:00 Speaker_08
And we probably should have. Okay, so speaking of Kristen, he mentioned, because obviously they went to the same high school, he mentioned the Goliards, and he was like, I don't know if she was in that.

01:55:12 Speaker_08
Also, Goliard is a group of generally young clergy in Europe who wrote satirical Latin poetry in the 12th and 13th centuries of the Middle Ages. So I texted Kristin this morning. I said, for Keegan's fact check, he asked if you were in Goliard.

01:55:28 Speaker_08
I guess it was something at your high school. And she said, yes, I dominated Goliard.

01:55:33 Speaker_03
Oh, great. Yes. She was dominant.

01:55:35 Speaker_08
Yeah, she was dominant. And she said it was our singing group in high school that got to skip school and go perform at the Elks Lodge and stuff.

01:55:43 Speaker_03
Oh, sure. Where I was trying to sell hugs, not drugs advertisements.

01:55:47 Speaker_08
You guys could have crossed paths there.

01:55:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, probably.

01:55:50 Speaker_08
Weird.

01:55:51 Speaker_03
I doubt she went to the South Lion Elks Lodge though.

01:55:53 Speaker_08
Well, there's only so many and they have to get out of school a lot.

01:55:56 Speaker_03
That's true.

01:55:57 Speaker_08
So maybe. Okay, Spaghetti Junction. I got a little nervous that I was wrong about Spaghetti Junction, but I think I'm right. Spaghetti Junction is a name given to the intersection of Interstates 85 and 285.

01:56:08 Speaker_08
It's like where everything's crossing and it's a big Junkie mess.

01:56:14 Speaker_03
It's a big spaghetti.

01:56:15 Speaker_08
Speaking of.

01:56:16 Speaker_03
Uh-oh.

01:56:17 Speaker_08
It took us an hour and 50 minutes to get from the airport to my parents' house.

01:56:24 Speaker_03
Oh my gosh, why?

01:56:25 Speaker_08
And I think that's part of what happened. And I got a little off kilter from that.

01:56:31 Speaker_03
Uh-huh. That's like the time I landed in Austin and sat in line for the rental car for longer than my flight to Texas was.

01:56:37 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:56:37 Speaker_03
That was rough. It's hard to rebound from that. It is.

01:56:41 Speaker_08
It really is. It sets a tone. Traffic, traffic was just so fucking nightmarish. It's so bad in Atlanta. It's so bad, which leads me to my next fact.

01:56:50 Speaker_11
Oh, great.

01:56:51 Speaker_08
Which is, what are the 10 cities with the worst traffic in the world?

01:56:55 Speaker_03
In the world?

01:56:56 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:56:56 Speaker_03
Oh, wow.

01:56:57 Speaker_08
This is from US News.

01:56:58 Speaker_03
Top five gotta be in China, no?

01:57:00 Speaker_08
Well, let's see. Palermo is number 10. Miami is number nine.

01:57:07 Speaker_11
Oh.

01:57:07 Speaker_08
Philadelphia, number eight.

01:57:10 Speaker_11
Okay.

01:57:11 Speaker_08
Toronto, number seven. The thing is, a lot of these places have public transport, which makes it easier.

01:57:18 Speaker_11
Yeah.

01:57:20 Speaker_08
Six is Bogota, Columbia.

01:57:22 Speaker_11
That sounds right.

01:57:24 Speaker_08
Five, New York City.

01:57:25 Speaker_03
Mm-hmm.

01:57:27 Speaker_08
Four, Boston.

01:57:28 Speaker_03
Yeah, infamously bad traffic. The Big Dig. Oh, my God. Supposed to get rid of that.

01:57:33 Speaker_08
Three, Paris.

01:57:35 Speaker_03
Never driven in Paris. I can't say that I've driven in Paris.

01:57:38 Speaker_08
Two, Chicago.

01:57:40 Speaker_07
There we go. Wow. Lobby. Traffic's so bad. There's construction always everywhere.

01:57:47 Speaker_08
Wow.

01:57:48 Speaker_03
That's how Detroit is. I think it's because of the freezing and thawing. It's so hard on the roads. The roads are shit. It just cracks them to shit.

01:57:54 Speaker_08
You know, one's going to like what I'm about to say, but I don't trust this list.

01:57:58 Speaker_03
Okay.

01:57:58 Speaker_08
Cause I know now it's turned now it's turned because number one's London. And that means LA is not on it. And there's no way. Well, there's no way.

01:58:10 Speaker_07
So on the U.S. list, L.A. is six.

01:58:13 Speaker_08
U.S. traffic list.

01:58:16 Speaker_03
I can't believe there's nothing in Asia. Did this report include Asia?

01:58:21 Speaker_08
Doesn't say. Maybe it's phobic.

01:58:23 Speaker_03
Maybe it's my own xenophobia. I've seen some Shanghai traffic jams that seem like, oh, you'd have to get out of your car.

01:58:31 Speaker_08
And what about India?

01:58:33 Speaker_03
Fucking India.

01:58:33 Speaker_08
Are you kidding me? A billion people? I mean, how many? Yeah, over a billion.

01:58:37 Speaker_11
Yeah. 1.3 maybe.

01:58:38 Speaker_08
Okay. Same source, U.S. News for U.S. is saying Chicago, number one, Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington, Houston, Atlanta.

01:58:57 Speaker_08
Mmm, there's no way at like Oh Atlanta and Houston are tied for delay hours, but it's 2022 could have gotten worse Maybe I just maybe there was a big issue We're just movies are moving there.

01:59:12 Speaker_03
Is there a president in town or something? Oh Could have been a marathon.

01:59:16 Speaker_08
No, it's always like, it's a nightmare. Yeah. I just think in my head, it's LA number one, Atlanta number two.

01:59:26 Speaker_11
Anywhere you go.

01:59:28 Speaker_03
New York number three. Austin number five.

01:59:31 Speaker_08
No, Austin's pretty good.

01:59:33 Speaker_03
Oh, it can be rough.

01:59:34 Speaker_08
It can be, but not like this. That's what I'm saying. This is such an extreme. And also in LA, it's the amount of miles you're going.

01:59:43 Speaker_03
Which is very small.

01:59:45 Speaker_08
Exactly, and you're in the car for an hour.

01:59:46 Speaker_03
You're never going more than eight miles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

01:59:50 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:59:50 Speaker_03
When you map, when you, I always, good job on MapQuest. Like, maybe because they were first one, I still say I'm gonna- You still say that? I do, I still say I'm gonna MapQuest something, which is so interesting.

02:00:00 Speaker_08
Wow.

02:00:01 Speaker_03
Yeah, I never say I'm going to Yahoo something or any of these other, but yeah, I'll say I'm going to map. So when I map quest any location in LA, it's always like seven miles, 56 minutes. And you're like, this is nuts.

02:00:15 Speaker_03
At some point I could walk seven miles in an hour.

02:00:18 Speaker_08
I know.

02:00:19 Speaker_03
I kept up my pace. That's the motorcycle.

02:00:22 Speaker_11
It's a savior.

02:00:23 Speaker_08
That's nice for you. Okay, is Spanish longer than English? Spanish text So, you know that would translate is about 20 to 30 percent longer than English Okay, um the Milford Panther I can't believe you outed your friend.

02:00:44 Speaker_03
Well, I didn't say any names

02:00:46 Speaker_08
Where are panthers indigenous? Panthers are native to Africa, Asia, Central and South America, and Florida.

02:00:53 Speaker_03
Florida panther, we talked about it. Now heavily mixed with the Texas panther.

02:00:57 Speaker_08
That's right, we did talk about that on another episode. Listen to all our old episodes.

02:01:02 Speaker_03
Yeah, go back, even if it's just for a couple minutes, just start them up and then switch to another one.

02:01:09 Speaker_08
Okay, where did Brian Tyree Henry go to college? Because I said, oh, didn't he go to Juilliard? He went to Yale.

02:01:14 Speaker_03
To Yale.

02:01:16 Speaker_08
Lupita, who's a previous episode.

02:01:19 Speaker_03
Yes.

02:01:19 Speaker_08
If you want to go back.

02:01:21 Speaker_03
Yes. And Joy Bryant. And Joy. Is she Princeton or Yale? I think she's Yale. Yeah, Yale. Is she? Yeah.

02:01:26 Speaker_08
I thought she was Stanford.

02:01:27 Speaker_03
No, she was either Yale or Princeton, but I think Yale.

02:01:30 Speaker_08
Yale? And then also Paul Giamatti, Yale. Go back in the archives.

02:01:35 Speaker_03
No, he's Harvard. No.

02:01:37 Speaker_08
He went to Yale Drama.

02:01:38 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, he did, he did. He did, with Edward Norton.

02:01:41 Speaker_08
Yeah.

02:01:41 Speaker_03
Junior. I almost said that.

02:01:43 Speaker_08
Oh, she went to Yale, Joy. Okay, so if you wanna listen to all our Yale guests, you can go back in the archives. Edward Norton.

02:01:49 Speaker_03
Paul Giamatti.

02:01:50 Speaker_08
Edward Norton, Paul Giamatti, Joy Bryant.

02:01:53 Speaker_03
Brian Tyree, Henry.

02:01:54 Speaker_08
We haven't had him yet.

02:01:55 Speaker_03
Yeah.

02:01:56 Speaker_08
But we want to. Yeah. Not to mention our experts.

02:02:00 Speaker_03
Yes. Anderson Cooper, Claire Danes.

02:02:02 Speaker_08
Cooper.

02:02:03 Speaker_03
Anderson Cooper.

02:02:04 Speaker_08
Oh, right. Oh, Claire Danes.

02:02:06 Speaker_03
C. Danes.

02:02:07 Speaker_08
That's in the archives.

02:02:08 Speaker_03
That is deep, deep.

02:02:09 Speaker_08
You gotta go back deep in that.

02:02:10 Speaker_03
Yep. Just listen to a couple minutes of it and then. Too close.

02:02:15 Speaker_08
Listen to like approximately two to three minutes. Anyway, that's all. Keegan was awesome. He's so delightful.

02:02:23 Speaker_03
So much energy. Yes. So fast thinking. Such an interesting story. I adore him.

02:02:30 Speaker_08
Me too.

02:02:30 Speaker_03
Perfect podcast guest.

02:02:32 Speaker_08
Yeah. Yeah. He's an easy one. Built for it.

02:02:34 Speaker_03
Like a Bobby Lee.

02:02:36 Speaker_08
Yeah, true.

02:02:37 Speaker_03
That's a great episode. Check it out, couple minutes of it.

02:02:39 Speaker_08
In the archives if you just wanna like, just two minutes.

02:02:42 Speaker_11
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02:02:45 Speaker_02
All right, love you.

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02:03:15 Speaker_03
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