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Episode: JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 03:14:34

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Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Matt is the host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton and is the owner

and lead instructor at Serra BJJ. Din is a host on "SiriusXM Fight Nation," "Josh Cohen & the Home Team" on ESPN West Palm, and "Fight Court."

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00:00:01 Speaker_05
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Gentlemen, we still don't have a name for this. We're not the Cucks, right? I don't know what was wrong with the Cucks.

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Cucks is okay. What happened with Protect Your Neck?

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Protect Your Neck. I think Protect Your Neck is best. That's the best one.

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Yeah, let's go with Protect Your Neck. I'm down with that. Protect Your Neck. We can have the Wu-Tang theme song. Yeah, Wu-Tang. Perfect. The theme song's already done for us. We got it.

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There's two Wu-Tang songs I always listen to when I'm going to an arena, when I'm doing a show. It's Protect Your Neck and Gravel Pit. Those two, they just get you in the groove. Especially Gravel Pit. Oh! There it is. This is our theme song, boys.

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I like it.

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That's all we got. We're all getting kicked off of YouTube.

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Even that might get us in trouble.

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You all right there, Rollo?

00:00:56 Speaker_01
Are you fingering that skull?

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Yeah, not hearing anything right now. Oh, for real? All right. We're going to pause real quick, see if Jamie can fix this. We'll pause.

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Can you hear now, Rollo? Yes, sir. You know what we never tried? What? The smelling salts.

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We got them right here, but we got to show Dean the sheathing.

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Oh, what is the fucking sheathing?

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What does that mean? It's when metal rings. Oh, I want to see that shit. The three of us have rings on, but they're rubber. All right, let me see. Look at this.

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Don't wear a ring to the gym like you could drop a weight on or rip your finger off like for real Just don't wear nothing that way you could cheat too I think the goofiest looking one is the Tad Hood ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:50 Speaker_02
That one's goofy.

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It's almost as bad as the bicep with the fucking chain with the, you know, the old school barbed wire.

00:02:00 Speaker_03
I'm actually wearing my Marvel ring. It says Marvel on it.

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There you go. Good man.

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It does actually say Marvel on it.

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Like a slingshot, that's great

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Yeah, I heard about a dude in God, I forget who's who's Jim one of the one of some big-name dude and He took a photo of one of his students who said don't ever come onto my mat with a ring on ever Oh my god, this is what happens. He posted it

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Remember who posted it, but fuck man.

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It's like you can't it's just too dangerous a metal wedge on your finger you do anything heavy if you're in the outdoors if you're climbing something it can just dig right into your meat and rip your fucking finger when I was um when I was uh

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When I was fighting, when I was champ, I just got married, I was telling you earlier. And when I had the ring on, this was before they had the rubber rings, you know?

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And guys get excited to see you, so sometimes you give them the hand, they squeeze your fingers. You're so excited to do it. So excited to match Sarah.

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You try to be nice and it's like, give me my hand back.

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I wonder if that's why you wear a wedding ring on your left hand.

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Especially I hate those douchebags that always try to give you that fucking they have a nice squeeze they grab the tips And they try to break your hand. That gets on my fucking nerves when they squeeze your fingers. It's a bitch move. Shake your hand.

00:03:48 Speaker_01
That's a bitch move.

00:03:49 Speaker_06
I like a firm handshake. I like a man with a firm handshake.

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And not the little dead fish shit.

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I like a firm handshake, but I don't like that finger squeezing bullshit, because that's cheating.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:58 Speaker_06
Agreed, agreed. You know I don't have a good grip when you're squeezing anyway. That's a douche bag move.

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That is a douche bag move.

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A nice person would relax their hand, you slap out of your position, and you give each other a nice firm handshake.

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That's right, for sure. Even that, like when guys try to over, like they got a real strong grip and they try to fucking give you that squeeze.

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I just feel especially my right hand like I got a fucking bump here from shorty caught his head And it's still like I said the double rapid when I hit with longo after a while So when guys squeeze that shit, I feel like I do die with the grip, but I'll fucking strangle the fuck out of you

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It's like men feel so uncomfortable when they're around a guy like you they don't know how to behave Do you want this press what do you want a cup there's a cup cuz it's a lot better. Yeah, I make a mess

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Because like, you know, when they get around a guy like you, they don't know what to do. Because guys always like to pretend that they can beat another guy's ass. Even if they're just posturing a little, I'll fuck that guy up.

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They meet a guy like you, all of a sudden they're like, how are you?

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Nice to meet you. That's why I put on some weight. That's why I'm trying to get over 200, just so I can posture on them back, you know what I'm saying? I understand.

00:05:13 Speaker_06
I understand flex a little bit. Like if you're meeting Francis Ngannou, how fucking terrifying is that?

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Oh yeah, no doubt.

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First time I interviewed him I'll stand next to him like what the fuck man that guy is so powerful. He's fighting a guy bigger than him He is good he's like six eight He KO'd Ryan Bader and real quick, right? It wasn't like 20 seconds.

00:05:45 Speaker_02
He like jabbed him or something. Yeah, it was real quick. Dude, he hit him with a clean right hand. Yeah.

00:05:50 Speaker_06
Let's watch that because this guy's good, dude. Like this is a dangerous fight.

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I've never seen him fight. I've never seen the size of him.

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After a bad KO, you have to think, you know, he fights Anthony Joshua. That was a bad KO from one of the best knockout artists in boxing, right? How tall is he? Super fast man, and he does a lot of wild shit.

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He throws a lot of kicks and knees Dude, he's good. How much taller is he than a few inches? I think Francis is like Francis is like six or six fives something like that

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This guy's he's taller Francis is bigger though for sure, but this guy's fucking dangerous man And he's real long like watch this combination when he lands it on Bader see Bader can't close the distance here He's having a this guy's from the outside son.

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Look at that right hand

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He waited for him to throw that jab.

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Watch that again. That shit was perfect. Watch that again. Look at the timing on this guy, Matt. Watch this. Bader's trying to close. He's trying to close. Check out this. Watch this fade away a little to his left. Boom! Oh!

00:06:55 Speaker_02
I mean, that's right over top of the jab.

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Right over the jab. That guy can do that to anybody. That guy's dangerous, man. He's fucking dangerous.

00:07:02 Speaker_01
Dude, his footwork was real nice.

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But Bader's also 40. But Bader at heavyweight's been doing pretty good. Especially under that Bellator testing. What kind of test is that? That's a multiple choice test. How many times did Bobby Lashley compete? No disrespect to Bobby Lashley.

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But still, we know what's up. He was always on an Indian reservation somewhere. Bobby Lashley is the only guy I've ever fought in MMA that looked like he'd enter a bodybuilding competition the day of the fight. Mark Kerr in his prime too.

00:07:57 Speaker_01
Was he like a D2 national champ or something like that as a wrestler? Yeah, he was a real legit wrestler.

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He's a legit fighter, but there ain't no way he tested positive or negative. Yeah, because he wrestled at like 189 in college.

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Also, he's 48.

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Whoa. You know, but look, no disrespect. Guy looks fucking great. It's amazing some guys are natural, like Paulo Costa. He's just got the genes, son.

00:08:26 Speaker_02
Now, is he natural? I don't know.

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I'm guessing.

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Maybe.

00:08:30 Speaker_06
What do you think?

00:08:31 Speaker_02
He plays it up with the secret juice and things like that. I love that shit.

00:08:34 Speaker_06
I don't think you'd be talking that much shit if you really just... No, but, no. He always looks the same. He never tests positive. And the guy has crazy genetics. Look how handsome he is. Look at that broad jaw.

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That is true.

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The guy's got freak genetics just in looks and also in his build.

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He's been tested a billion times.

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A billion times. Never tested positive.

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Motherfuckers have chemists out there. Hey, you used to work for American Top Team. Tell us the secret. Tell us the secrets that they got over in that fucking... Tell Dan Levy what his fucking man called him.

00:09:02 Speaker_02
It's not a secret. I want to know what the fuck happens over there. I am not going to Giuliano Pena this one. No, I am not doing that. I'm not going there. You know I've been getting paid by them.

00:09:13 Speaker_03
Oh my God. Oh my God. By the way, great work with Sean Brady. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Sean Brady's an animal, man.

00:09:19 Speaker_02
Bro, he looked great. He looked great. Yeah, man. He's a hardworking kid. He's young. I know he was on this show before. He's young, hardworking, and he's on his way up.

00:09:28 Speaker_06
Bro, he's got a double-sized back. He's got a turtle shell.

00:09:33 Speaker_03
Yes, like it's double and that's genetic like his father has that that's crazy His fight the other night with Gilbert Burns was fucking smart man because he knows I Even though he has really really good wrestling he knew not to shoot his watch trying to get him down if because Gilbert's fucking I what I love about Gilbert and it happened in the Damian Maya fight is

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If he's getting out wrestled, the second he hits the floor, right into jiu-jitsu sweeps, half guards, he's playing jiu-jitsu, they go to play back, he's back to his feet. It's really nice. It's really amazing.

00:10:05 Speaker_06
Gilbert's one of the very best ever on the ground in MMA. It's like we've just seen him in so many stand-up wars, because it's so fucking hard to get people to the ground.

00:10:12 Speaker_02
Right, right, right.

00:10:13 Speaker_06
I love his jiu-jitsu. Ultimately, that's where it becomes a problem, right? It's just so hard to get a world-class guy to the ground.

00:10:19 Speaker_02
Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fought Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second, and as soon as Gilbert started playing Jiu-Jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here. He stood up quick, bro.

00:10:29 Speaker_03
But that's what's so smart about Brady, though, because he was patient up against the cage, and then he waited to the later rounds. He's the younger guy, he's banking on his cardio.

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Then he started committing to those doubles, and now he's got a better chance of getting more time on top.

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You look at him in comparison, he doesn't have the same accolades as far as jiu-jitsu competitions as Gilbert does, but he's world-class in straight-up grappling.

00:10:54 Speaker_02
For sure, for sure. He's definitely legit. Craig Jones he'd be.

00:10:57 Speaker_06
There was a special rules thing where you couldn't do leg locks.

00:11:01 Speaker_02
There were no leg locks.

00:11:02 Speaker_06
With Craig Jones. That's a big part of his game. Yeah, if you're going to compete against that guy, you've got to let him use the whole game.

00:11:07 Speaker_02
It's the whole game.

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You don't say you can't use your best stuff.

00:11:10 Speaker_02
It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground. He's so strong, he can hang with anybody.

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And I firmly believe that Craig Nelson, Craig Jones rather, if Craig Jones got him in any kind of a position, like a heel hook, he would never rip his shit apart.

00:11:28 Speaker_02
Right, yeah, no doubt.

00:11:29 Speaker_03
There's no chance. But I understand the fighters, the current fighters. Look what happened to Cub Swanson. I'm all for these guys taking grappling matches, but I'm also for them taking it with certain rules.

00:11:40 Speaker_06
I was trying to tell that to Khalil Roundtree. Because Khalil Roundtree, before he got the title fight, was in here and he was telling me he was going to take a grappling match. I go, think about Cub Swanson. He blows his ACL out.

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He's gone for 9-10 months and he's in the 30s.

00:11:56 Speaker_02
He's already in his 30s. That's a death sentence almost.

00:11:59 Speaker_06
He came back. You can come back, but it's so unnecessary. I get you're a badass, but you're also a professional athlete. You can't be motorbike riding. Cerrone did it. Like, Cerrone must be the biggest headache for the UFC.

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He's out there fucking riding bulls, jumping jet skis.

00:12:17 Speaker_03
I don't remember him pulling out of too many fights, though.

00:12:20 Speaker_06
No, I don't believe he ever did. I don't remember a single fight. I mean, there might have been one his whole career, but he had to have a broken fucking leg or something. But he was still reckless as fuck.

00:12:30 Speaker_01
Like, he was still out there doing dumb shit.

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He's an adrenaline junkie, man. Yeah, he's a freak.

00:12:34 Speaker_01
He's still out there doing it.

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He's still out there doing it.

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He's a wild man.

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Same reason why people stick around too long in the game. Yeah, but that's also why he's so much fun to watch man cuz he genuinely didn't give a fuck You know in the early days of his career, man.

00:12:46 Speaker_06
He was very interesting cuz he's a wild kickboxer that had a great triangle Yeah, yeah, he finished off a lot of his early fights with jiu-jitsu

00:12:55 Speaker_02
He was good off his back. So like guys would want to take him down and then he'd throw up that triangle.

00:13:00 Speaker_01
His first fight with Benson Henderson was one of the sickest fights ever. He had Benson in a hundred different submissions and Benson got out all of them. It was pretty sick. Several triangles. Benson doesn't get enough love.

00:13:15 Speaker_01
It was a great fight when they were in the WEC.

00:13:18 Speaker_06
Damn, dude. Do you think about all the fucking wars that a lot of people forgot about?

00:13:23 Speaker_03
There's so many fights now. It's not like when we were fighting back in the day, it was far and few between.

00:13:30 Speaker_01
It was an event because there was only a few a year. Exactly.

00:13:33 Speaker_06
Right. People forgot about Jose Aldo's beginnings. Man.

00:13:38 Speaker_01
When he was in the WEC, was there anybody really better? He's a complete fighter.

00:13:43 Speaker_06
He's for sure the best WEC fighter. You can't keep that pace. Whatever that pace is when a guy is at the top of the food chain, you can't keep that pace up for very long. He kept it for 10 years. I always say you have to look at a guy.

00:13:57 Speaker_06
by where he was when he was at his best. Like, if we're gonna do this, like, who's the best guy, everything, that's why I always throw BJ Penn in there. Me too. Me too. Because BJ Penn, and you fought him, BJ Penn in his fucking prime was a demon.

00:14:08 Speaker_06
And he went through everybody.

00:14:10 Speaker_02
He's a demon. You fought him too. Jesus Christ. But when he was in his prime, it was like BJ and then everybody else. Yes. For sure.

00:14:18 Speaker_06
You just can't keep that up forever.

00:14:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure.

00:14:20 Speaker_06
So if you look at Aldo, like the Aldo that fought Uriah, remember what he did to Uriah's leg? Jesus. And how tough is Uriah? How many dudes would have tapped? How many dudes would have just rolled over and that would have been the end of it?

00:14:31 Speaker_01
I think Alder respected him and actually backed off towards the end because of it. I think he did too.

00:14:35 Speaker_06
It was like a guy might have lost his leg. I mean, he almost got compartment syndrome. He had to go into a hyperbaric chamber every day to try to heal that fucking thing.

00:14:44 Speaker_02
Full disclosure, at the end of my career when I was fighting the 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody, but Aldo.

00:14:50 Speaker_01
I ain't fighting that guy. I ain't fighting that guy. That's the piece that's missing from him later was the frequency of his leg kicks. Yeah, I think it was just cause of injuries or well. He started boxing a lot like you know yeah He is back.

00:15:07 Speaker_06
He's back. Yeah, I think you're fucking shins. Just go man I mean think about that's what was going on with Amanda right she was having nerve damage.

00:15:15 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah, yeah He's thinking about especially now with the calf kick how many guys that fought per head are gonna be fucked up for the rest of their life How many guys are gonna have some weird thing with their foot?

00:15:27 Speaker_06
You're gonna get like dry foot or something from nerve damage.

00:15:30 Speaker_03
My biggest fear was that shin break, like what happened to Chris. Even before it happened in the UFC, I seen it in kickboxing and I'm like, you know.

00:15:39 Speaker_02
It's horrible.

00:15:40 Speaker_03
Like you gotta really, like you could trust your shins, but like, could you, how do you know? How the fuck do you know? I mean, I don't know. It was always something in the back of my head when I was throwing kicks.

00:15:50 Speaker_02
And it's so spontaneous too. Even when I'm watching fights now, like when it happens, I always like have this responsive, be ready to look away. Cause if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that.

00:16:00 Speaker_06
Nobody wants to see that. You know, it's interesting the way Pejeta does everything. I don't think he runs the risk as much of that. Because first of all, he kind of kicks around the outside of your leg always. He never goes shin to shin.

00:16:15 Speaker_06
And even when he kicks the thigh, he's like kicking up. Yeah, it's like an upward even on the back.

00:16:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure.

00:16:21 Speaker_06
He always catches that back angle or an up until he wants to smoke you like Yuri. Like Yuri, he came across and just smoked him, but it wasn't just about touching. He knew he already had him. He almost knocked him out at the end of the first.

00:16:34 Speaker_06
He knew he had him. But it's just the power that he can generate from no hip at all. He's just slapping you.

00:16:42 Speaker_01
Yeah, he doesn't really have a tail.

00:16:45 Speaker_06
flicks it's crazy because it's the perfect combination of a guy who has this insane god-given power like he's got insane one touch of death power left hook and then the intelligence to not wind up it's kind of crazy yeah he's just tapping you with it tapping you with it but the thuds are so bad and they're so it's such a clean shot yeah it's a clean shot I think

00:17:09 Speaker_03
This is going to be a wild take. I don't think it's going to be a popular take. I think that Pereira is going to mix in a takedown. Really? What?

00:17:21 Speaker_07
I think.

00:17:23 Speaker_03
Against Khalil? I don't know, maybe I'm retarded. No, no, no, no, no. I think, I think.

00:17:29 Speaker_07
That's already been established. I could be. You say that to me every time. We've known that for a long time, man.

00:17:36 Speaker_03
You say that to me every week. Listen. It's already been established. Hear me out, hear me out. Yes, he's, I mean listen, you don't get more confident on the feet than him, but He hangs out with our good friend, the great Glover Tixera.

00:17:50 Speaker_03
And you see him sparring, you see him mixing that shit in. Is he doing it for shits and giggles? Is he doing it to work his cardio? Maybe. Or, he could be dealing with Khalil Roundtree and say, you know what, let me show them I got something.

00:18:01 Speaker_01
That's what I'm saying, I might give him a wrinkle just to give him something to think about.

00:18:06 Speaker_06
Well, he's got to learn it, right? And he is learning it. And why not just do that, too? If he could just mix that in, how many more strikes would he land, too? Because then if there's a real threat of him taking you down... Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah.

00:18:17 Speaker_06
And by the way, how fucking strong is that guy on the ground, probably?

00:18:21 Speaker_02
I know.

00:18:21 Speaker_01
His hands are probably so big, he's just like... He's got baseball mitts.

00:18:26 Speaker_06
That dude's made out of wood. When I put my hand on him to talk to him, he's made out of wood, especially at 85.

00:18:33 Speaker_03
What does the comma mean when he says comma?

00:18:37 Speaker_06
Everything it means like fight means like fuck. Yeah, it's cool When someone says like they want to fight he's like Shama. He's scariest walk out of all time Waiting for him and you see that stomp

00:19:05 Speaker_02
Think about his come up man like he had he was able to come up this year without talking shit. Yeah All these fighters think they got to talk shit to come up He did it by just stepping up to the plate do it fighting and knocking motherfuckers.

00:19:20 Speaker_02
He doesn't even smile

00:19:23 Speaker_01
He leans into that Easter Island thing too, he'll wear a chain with a whip on it and a big hat on it.

00:19:30 Speaker_06
Very seriously, he thought him and Jamal were going to be cool with each other, and then Jamal started clowning him. And he got angry. He got really angry. It was a mistake. You don't want that guy angry.

00:19:40 Speaker_06
But Jamal, that fight, there was that weird moment where he kicked Jamal in the nuts, or Jamal kicked him in the nuts rather, and he waved, when he waves her being off, and he did a little step and then he got a little closer and he got in the kitchen.

00:19:57 Speaker_02
Yeah. But Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that. Like Jamal called all of us on the broadcast. He was like, yo, and he was like, he stepped on and got the angle and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there. He's right.

00:20:07 Speaker_06
He's definitely right. But we didn't see it.

00:20:10 Speaker_02
Right.

00:20:10 Speaker_06
I didn't, I didn't see that. All I was thinking is, so there's so much happens, right? A guy gets kicked the nuts. I'm like, oh shit. Are they going to, is he hurt? First question is always, is this going to fuck the fight up?

00:20:20 Speaker_06
Like how long is this going to be? Okay. He's got to take a break. Is he going to be okay? Because I think every time you get kicked in the nuts, one point. Every time you get eye poked, one point.

00:20:29 Speaker_06
Because even if it's an accident, if you get slammed in your nuts and then you have to go back to fighting two minutes later, you've been affected. Two minutes ago you couldn't even fight.

00:20:39 Speaker_06
And now all of a sudden you're supposed to fight full clip against a guy who's trying to kill you? Who just cracked you in the nuts? Who's that? Is that you, Dean?

00:20:49 Speaker_06
I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone and I don't know how to work it I'll help you, I'll help you. There's a little button on the top, it should shut it off.

00:21:15 Speaker_02
Sorry, let me shut this off.

00:21:16 Speaker_06
Or you could do do not disturb, you know how to do that? No, I don't know how to do any of it. Okay, look at it.

00:21:20 Speaker_04
Put it on airplane mode.

00:21:20 Speaker_06
Open your phone up and then scroll down, like scroll down from the top and then you can get to airplane mode.

00:21:25 Speaker_02
No, I would rather just turn it off, you know what I'm saying?

00:21:27 Speaker_06
Or you can get to do not disturb. All right, just turn it off.

00:21:29 Speaker_02
But how do I do it on the floor? There you go. Let me see. Yeah, here we go. I turned it off.

00:21:32 Speaker_06
All right. So anyway, we're talking about Alex and Jamal. But, so, we didn't notice it. We didn't notice it because, okay, he gets kicked in the nuts, like, oh shit, they stopping the fight, what's going on?

00:21:44 Speaker_06
So I didn't notice that little hop in, he already did. He already got closer. Yeah, you see now he got the foot on the outside. Yeah. I mean, it's brilliant on his part.

00:21:52 Speaker_01
But on the flip side, Herb wasn't in Jamal's way. He could definitely have moved if he wanted.

00:21:56 Speaker_06
Right, but Jamal did relax. Look, he relaxed, he straightened his legs. He gave him the thumbs up, are we cool? And it looked like he was trying to touch gloves, so they touched gloves. But he's already way closer than he's ever been before.

00:22:09 Speaker_06
Most of the fight up until this point was fought with Jamal about a foot past where they are right now. He was in the outside and he was touching him from the outside and that was his game plan. I talked to him on the phone about it.

00:22:21 Speaker_06
He was explaining to me his game plan. Everything was going great.

00:22:23 Speaker_02
Who, Jamal?

00:22:24 Speaker_06
Yeah.

00:22:24 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:25 Speaker_06
He had a point.

00:22:25 Speaker_04
He had a fucking real point.

00:22:27 Speaker_06
Did he call you, too? Yeah. Yeah, I called him. I called him. But he's right, because we didn't notice it. But this is one of those moments where you're like, are they stopping the fight? No. OK, they're not stopping the fight.

00:22:38 Speaker_06
Like, I didn't realize that he made that right there. That little hop-hop he does? Yeah. That little hop-hop is legit, dude. It's such a good move. Watch it now.

00:22:47 Speaker_04
Let's see.

00:22:47 Speaker_06
Watch. So Herb moves to him. He's going to stop the fight. He puts his hand up. Watch this. He touches him, but look how close he is now. See how close he is now? He's a lot closer. Back it up, back it up. So back it up before the nut shot.

00:23:03 Speaker_06
Now look at the distance now. See the distance? Big difference.

00:23:06 Speaker_03
Big difference. But Jamal does fire off first though, doesn't he? Watch. After he gets kicked.

00:23:11 Speaker_06
Yeah, probably.

00:23:13 Speaker_03
Let's see who throws the first punch. Jamal throws it first, though, I think. Does he? He might be right. He's getting a corner. Look at Jamal. Ready, Jamal? They throw at the same time.

00:23:21 Speaker_06
He did throw, but also look what Alex did, too. It's obvious that Alex is coming in.

00:23:25 Speaker_02
But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand to clear the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it.

00:23:31 Speaker_06
And, dude, his left hook, it's like a shovel hook. Half an uppercut, half a hook, and it's just perfect. Perfect.

00:23:39 Speaker_03
All right, maybe he won't shoot on Kalil.

00:23:40 Speaker_06
Not only him, but on him.

00:23:41 Speaker_02
Hey, hey, Kalil's dangerous.

00:23:42 Speaker_06
Remember when Kalil knocked out Gokhan Saki?

00:23:45 Speaker_02
Man.

00:23:46 Speaker_06
Dude, he's fucking dangerous.

00:23:48 Speaker_02
Yeah, I know. Kalil knocked out my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion. I was like, damn.

00:23:53 Speaker_06
That off-speed uppercut he threw, that was slick, dude. He's fucking terrifying. Yeah, man.

00:23:58 Speaker_01
Kalil's on? Oh, Kalil. Kalil Roundtree's fucking terrifying. He came back from Thailand like a different fighter. I think once he went over there and was training full-time, Like, there was a big change in him, I thought.

00:24:09 Speaker_06
Well, Khalil's, like, had moments in his career where he hasn't been dialed in. You know, there was a few fights where he admittedly, like, wasn't all in. And now he's all in. Like, now he's, like, super focused.

00:24:20 Speaker_06
Like, the Anthony Smith fight, you're like, oh, shit. Like, that's a dangerous contender.

00:24:24 Speaker_02
I mean, we're gonna find out. But do you think... Hey, do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ? You know what I'm saying? Because, like, he just... Why not? Well, he just don't really have, like, that championship thing about him.

00:24:35 Speaker_02
were like, you go, oh, that's my champ right there. Like, he don't really have that.

00:24:38 Speaker_06
Yeah, but nobody does until they do. Olivera didn't have it until he got it. Right? Olivera was a guy that everybody was beating. Man, that's true. So many guys beat Paul Felder, fucked him up. A lot of guys beat him. Tom Swanson knocked him out.

00:24:50 Speaker_06
A lot of guys would beat Olivera because he was cutting too much fucking weight. Right. And he just didn't have any energy.

00:24:55 Speaker_02
Well, I'm just saying, like, every time you see Khalil Roundtree do interviews, he crying and stuff like that. Like, is that the type of guy that we really want? Is he crying? He's sensitive. He's a sensitive guy. You don't cry? You know what I'm saying?

00:25:08 Speaker_02
Sometimes. When you're driving in the car.

00:25:10 Speaker_06
There is nothing wrong with someone who's sensitive who can fuck you up.

00:25:13 Speaker_02
No, listen, I'm not saying there's something wrong with him. I'm just saying, is that the guy that we want holding the belt? Maybe that's what we need in 2024, to get more people involved in fighting.

00:25:23 Speaker_03
As you guys get older, do you get more emotional? Do you find yourself ... I'm an emotional guy. I don't see that. I'm an emotional ... You guys don't get all emotional. People think we're toxic. Let's talk.

00:25:36 Speaker_06
We just, we're not toxic, we just don't have a filter. This is just what actual men are like when there's no one around that can yell at you. Yeah, when there's no one around that can yell at you.

00:25:48 Speaker_06
If we had the same conversation with our wives, they'd be like, what the fuck are you saying? Are you sinking down in the fucking air? There'd be a lot of that, right? True, true.

00:25:57 Speaker_06
It's like, this is what people would be talking about if you were hanging out in your living room. It's true. Four bodies hanging out in your living room, how would you talk? This is it. Yeah, for sure. Just do it in front of the world.

00:26:07 Speaker_03
In that case, I don't cry at all. You pussies.

00:26:11 Speaker_06
I cried the other night.

00:26:13 Speaker_03
I was just here to see if you do.

00:26:14 Speaker_06
Watching Chimp Crazy.

00:26:16 Speaker_03
What? Chimp Crazy?

00:26:18 Speaker_06
Oh my God, it's an HBO show. Well, it's Max now, whatever it is. It's a docu-series about people that own chimpanzees. Dude, it's- That just can't end well.

00:26:26 Speaker_03
Wait, wait, hold on.

00:26:27 Speaker_06
What made you cry about that? It's horrific, man. Oh, wait, wait. It went bad? When the chimps tear people apart, they tear your face off.

00:26:34 Speaker_01
I know. They bite your face?

00:26:35 Speaker_06
They tear your eyes off. They bite your fingers off. They pull your dick off. Dude, there's so many moments in that show where you're just like, what the fuck? It's just, it's so sad. Is there anything happy in it or no? No, no, no, no.

00:26:49 Speaker_06
There's nothing happy in this show. There's nothing happy in this show.

00:26:52 Speaker_06
This show is all about what happens when people have pet chimps and the chimps get to be about five years old and they don't want to listen to you anymore because they're a 200 pound fucking super predator. For real. They can do whatever they want.

00:27:04 Speaker_06
What they are, they're our closest relatives, and they're really fucking smart. And when they get to be like five years old, you can't even put them in a combination lock, they were telling me. Because they'll figure out the combination.

00:27:16 Speaker_06
They'll watch you do it. Oh shit. And then they'll do it. They'll see what you do to get out, and then they'll replicate it.

00:27:22 Speaker_02
So this is real Planet of the Apes type shit.

00:27:24 Speaker_06
They're really smart, man. They just can't talk. They're not as smart as people, but they also, they're vindictive and spiteful. They're angry and jealous.

00:27:32 Speaker_03
They do that a lot with the wild animals, like the fucking people who own hippos.

00:27:35 Speaker_06
But the thing about these things is when they hit like five, you just got to keep them in cages all the time. So when they're babies, everybody's hanging around with them. You can bring them to the pizza place.

00:27:45 Speaker_06
Oh my God, it's the lady with the chimpanzee. But then they get to be five and then they rip someone's face off for no fucking reason at all.

00:27:52 Speaker_01
What was the Netflix series that followed the chimps?

00:27:57 Speaker_06
Oh yeah, Chimp Empire.

00:27:58 Speaker_01
That's what I thought, Chimp Empire. That was a crazy, crazy show. Incredible. That one's incredible. Crazy show.

00:28:02 Speaker_06
Because that one, these scientists were embedded in this group of chimpanzees for 20 years. So these people, these chimpanzees, their whole lives, they had seen scientists. They had these rules.

00:28:12 Speaker_06
You have to stay 20 yards away, don't look them in the eye, no food. Can't have any food anywhere near them. Fuck, are they gremlins?

00:28:18 Speaker_01
What the fuck, man? No, they're just chimpanzees. If they decide you have something- You gotta see this.

00:28:22 Speaker_06
If they decide that you have something they want, there ain't shit you can do about that.

00:28:26 Speaker_01
There ain't shit you can do. They were fighting over territory. I mean, you got to see the hierarchy within their clans or whatever you want to call it. It's a badass. You had the guy on your show, right? Yeah, the guy who produced it.

00:28:40 Speaker_06
That's how I heard it. The show's so good, dude. This is much better than Chimp Crazy. This is like the opposite of Chimp Crazy. Yeah, this is real shit. Chimp Crazy is sad, but this is amazing. It's amazing.

00:28:52 Speaker_06
Because these chimps are so accustomed to these scientists that they acted completely normal around them. They were just a part of nature to them. Because their whole life they'd had scientists around them with cameras.

00:29:04 Speaker_06
It was just a thing in the forest. It was just like, that's a different kind of tree or something. As long as you don't have food, as long as you don't look them in the eye, and don't get any closer than 20 yards.

00:29:14 Speaker_06
Those are the rules so if the chimps start moving towards you you move back don't look them in the eye you look away Don't have any fucking food if you got a candy bar.

00:29:22 Speaker_06
They'll rip your dick off for that candy bar They don't have any sense of what's appropriate. They don't you know there's no remorse they bite each other's hands off Oh my God. Bro, they're ruthless. And that's our closest relative.

00:29:37 Speaker_03
You know what you do? You just get a dog. You don't get a fucking ... It's not PJ and the bear type of shit. Get the fuck out of here. Who needs that?

00:29:49 Speaker_06
Who needs that shit? Nobody needs that shit. All that shit you see in those movies though, those are all young chimps. You can't even train them when they get older.

00:29:56 Speaker_03
They're not listening to nothing. There's no listening.

00:29:59 Speaker_02
I got to watch this.

00:30:00 Speaker_03
Do you remember that Clint Eastwood movie? Fuckin' Any Which Way But Loose?

00:30:03 Speaker_02
I used to love those movies. And Any Which Way You Can, they have two of them.

00:30:07 Speaker_03
The second one, when they were gonna have that fight, and then it's Neo, they heard they're still fighting, and then it's, you know, guys, there are different, oh, let's get on the plane and let's go see the fight.

00:30:15 Speaker_03
Dude, they're fighting for fuckin' two hours, these guys, you're aware of it.

00:30:18 Speaker_06
Like across the state. And who's that guy's name, Tank Murdoch?

00:30:21 Speaker_01
Is that the guy's name? In the first one, yeah. They became friends after that. I remember all that shit, Philo Meadow. It was Clint's name. Philo Beto.

00:30:28 Speaker_06
Yeah, and they had the right turn Clyde.

00:30:29 Speaker_01
Right turn Clyde.

00:30:30 Speaker_06
You know, it's funny because back then you would never think that people were actually having bare knuckle fights for money. And now it's on pay-per-view. Oh yeah. So that's the original Mike Perry. There was never going to be bare knuckle boxing.

00:30:46 Speaker_06
I'll tell you man. As a sport. That's crazy. So this was just some backyard shit that people would do. Like this is the big killer. This is the guy that's like the big money champion.

00:30:56 Speaker_06
He's gonna eventually fight him and he's watching Clint and he steps in to help him and he starts fucking some people up.

00:31:04 Speaker_03
We didn't even know what real fighting was back then.

00:31:07 Speaker_06
I had no idea. Somebody needs to redo it. Well, all those things he did would work. I mean, it's not crazy. He's not doing any like jump split kicks. I used to like these movies as a kid.

00:31:16 Speaker_04
I loved them.

00:31:16 Speaker_06
These movies were great. This movie was great. Clint Eastwood was the fucking man. Hell yeah. He has the best Western movie of all time, Unforgiven.

00:31:25 Speaker_01
What's that?

00:31:25 Speaker_06
Unforgiven? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. I did see that.

00:31:28 Speaker_01
Man, I'm a fan of Tombstone with Val Kilmer, too. I love that movie. That one scene.

00:31:32 Speaker_06
That one scene made that whole movie. Craziest D movie ever.

00:31:34 Speaker_01
That one scene was so intense. Which one? Unforgiven, or? I'm Your Huckleberry. When he's looking, I'm like, I'm not a bear.

00:31:40 Speaker_03
Any time you get Kurt, and we did this in a group text. Kurt Russell. We talked about Bone Tomahawk. Oh yeah, that's right.

00:31:48 Speaker_01
Oh yeah. I did watch it.

00:31:51 Speaker_03
I think when I find these movies that I never heard about, it came out in like 2015. I saw it on Netflix, I thought it was new, and I didn't know, so I started watching it. Holy fuck, you see that? It's a good one, yeah. It's like a Western

00:32:05 Speaker_03
Well, they're completely different like a different species of person they have these things in their windpipes remember they Matthew Fox in this this guy's the guy from lost he was phenomenal very good movie Now I get like obsessed with some movie.

00:32:25 Speaker_03
This is my latest obsession.

00:32:26 Speaker_06
I fucking love this movie It's a great movie It's a fun horror movie and the fact that it didn't get the attention that it deserves It's just I think there's too many movies out.

00:32:36 Speaker_03
I never heard I love Shogun. I haven't finished it. There's certain things like takes a while to get through. I blew right through Shogun.

00:32:52 Speaker_06
Bro, I just blew right through Peaky Blinders. Peaky Blinders? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:56 Speaker_03
I saw that.

00:32:56 Speaker_06
Fucking amazing.

00:32:58 Speaker_01
Hey, Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders? You have to get through the first season. The first season's slow as fuck. Once you get out of the first season, you'll be good to go.

00:33:05 Speaker_06
I love the first season, man, but it gets hot after that. How good is Tom Hardy? Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders. That motherfucker can act.

00:33:13 Speaker_04
Man, can he act.

00:33:15 Speaker_06
He's like on a totally different level. Like even just everything about it. You buy that eccentric psychopath. You buy it. You buy everything about like these guys. He's got rules.

00:33:26 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure. But yeah, he was the man in Peaky Blinders.

00:33:33 Speaker_03
I like yeah, I'll tell you what I tapped out on and I and you know me I like superhero shit, and I show the boys I was in and there's some good stuff in that show you ever hear the boys.

00:33:44 Speaker_03
I've heard it gets redundant No, no, but no this is the scene where I fucking tapped out now You don't like x-men you ever hear of multiple man. He can make like a multiple of himself like other clones of himself all right now I'm listen

00:33:58 Speaker_03
I'm not a prude, okay? I can deal with some sex scenes and some freaky shit. But my thing is this, there's a scene. I don't need to see a guy's face in another guy's asshole, even if it's his own body.

00:34:15 Speaker_03
So multiple men, or this little version of him in his thing, they go into a sauna, right? And I guess this happens sometimes in gay gyms. There's a close-up of a human centipede. It's a human centipede. He's in the guy's asshole right now.

00:34:35 Speaker_03
No, it's a hipster.

00:34:42 Speaker_06
Wait a minute. This is a real scene in the show. They're trying to normalize this. Exactly. This is a bizarre agenda. This is an asshole. He's inside an asshole and he's naked.

00:34:53 Speaker_03
So now this guy, they open up this thing and they see this. I hope it was worth it.

00:34:59 Speaker_06
And so then he came full size. He turned full size and he blew the guy apart.

00:35:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's like Ant-Man inside someone's asshole. Yeah, this is not necessary. Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying. But picture this. You ever see a human centipede? Let me see that again.

00:35:13 Speaker_06
That's a crazy way to die. I want to see him explode. So what happens? Does he just decide to get bigger? I think he sneezes in it.

00:35:20 Speaker_01
Oh, he sneezed. He fucks up, I guess, his ability to control it.

00:35:25 Speaker_06
Oh my God.

00:35:25 Speaker_01
Yeah, but the whole show is like this, where they do shit like that. That is so crazy. But like, there's some good stuff in the show. Yeah, that's gross. The first few seasons was cool. This past season, they got woke on me. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:35:36 Speaker_06
I'm trying to explain that to the cops.

00:35:39 Speaker_03
And then multiple, man. He's got pink eye, because he had his face in an asshole.

00:35:46 Speaker_06
So now he's coming back, he's got a pink eye. 100% someone's trying to normalize things like that. Because that's probably like every bottom's dream, is to actually climb inside a guy's asshole. I just want to be inside of you. Just get all up in there.

00:36:02 Speaker_02
But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about.

00:36:07 Speaker_06
That's unnecessary. I would tap out after that. I tapped out on The Walking Dead when they killed Glenn with the baseball bat.

00:36:13 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. You know what's fucked up, dude? They actually did that in the comic book. Oh, I'm sure they did.

00:36:19 Speaker_06
You didn't have to show it to me like that. Yeah, because we like Glenn. That's murder porn. I loved Glenn. I saw Glenn at the UFC and he looked sad. He looked sad because they killed him off with a fucking baseball bat.

00:36:31 Speaker_06
But did you imagine that's your character, your character for all these years, everybody loves it, and then they kill him off with a baseball bat and you're like... And then you, no more show. Bye.

00:36:40 Speaker_04
Bye, we're done with you. The show's like, what the fuck?

00:36:44 Speaker_06
Well, you can't keep doing that. Oh, the people are the monsters. You can't keep doing that forever. It gets boring. Figure it out. Find out who the cunts are. Kill them. Let's start a community.

00:36:54 Speaker_03
Shows jump the ship too, you know. Like fucking Cobra Kai. I like that first season.

00:36:58 Speaker_06
Also, why are there still zombies? They walk two miles an hour. You haven't killed a million. I know, right? How hard is it to figure out how to kill these things? They're so slow as fuck.

00:37:07 Speaker_06
All you need is that lady with the sword and just like every day run out, kill 30 of them. Eventually, yeah. Nobody's going to be left. This is crazy that they still run into zombies. You haven't killed all the zombies in like five years.

00:37:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, that show. I think there was a spinoff with Daryl Dixon. I didn't even watch.

00:37:25 Speaker_06
There's a bunch of spinoffs. There's the L.A. one, too. The L.A. spinoff, too.

00:37:29 Speaker_03
It was pretty good.

00:37:30 Speaker_06
It was Fear of the Walking Dead?

00:37:31 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:31 Speaker_06
That might have been the best one. Really? Yeah, it was really good, especially in the beginning.

00:37:36 Speaker_06
It was really good, because it was like, no one knows what the fuck is going on, but it gave you, like, a real sense of, like, dread and fear, like, these people are trapped in the middle of this outbreak, and the military moves in, and no one gives anybody any answers, which is really how it would go.

00:37:50 Speaker_06
That's what the L.A. one, Fear of the Walking Dead, is much more realistic. This is how it would go. The guy waking up in the hospital in The Walking Dead, the problem with that scene is 28 days later. That's how it starts. Same exact scene.

00:38:07 Speaker_06
28 days later, Killian Murphy, also from Peaky Blinders, he's in the hospital, and he wakes up, he doesn't know what the fuck happened, because he got hit by a car or something like that.

00:38:16 Speaker_04
That was a great movie, by the way.

00:38:17 Speaker_06
Was he riding a bike, got hit by a car, I think? So he wakes up, he has no idea what the fuck's going on, and in getting out of the hospital, he realizes that the world has ended, and there's a zombie apocalypse have broken out while he was in a coma.

00:38:30 Speaker_02
So they just stole the whole thing? Somebody stole it?

00:38:33 Speaker_06
What came out first, the comic book or the fucking...? That's a very good question. It's a very good question. What year did the Walking Dead graphic novel come out? That's a legit questionnaire, man.

00:38:43 Speaker_02
Thanks, guys!

00:38:43 Speaker_06
Do you know those movies, you can't find them on streaming? You can't find 28 Days Later on streaming.

00:38:49 Speaker_02
Really? Because I've never seen it. That's why I don't know.

00:38:51 Speaker_06
I think you can find 28 Weeks Later, but 28 Days Later I don't think you can find. Because I just bought it. I ordered it on DVD. I bought a DVD.

00:39:03 Speaker_02
How do you even have a DVD player? I do. How the fuck do you have a DVD player?

00:39:09 Speaker_06
I wanted one I said yeah, I'll take one of them, and I haven't used it ever I've been in this house for four years I never used that fucking DVD player, but I'm gonna use it Especially they look really good like blue resolution yeah those DVDs look but it's probably as good or better than streaming hmm

00:39:30 Speaker_02
I just don't know anybody with a DVD player. That's like VHS. I don't have that.

00:39:34 Speaker_06
I had that for a long time, though, because I used to get all the Pride videos on VHS. I used to get like K1 videos and shit, all the weird shit from Japan from a friend of mine. He would send it all on VHS.

00:39:44 Speaker_00
What year was the graphic novel? I saw a Reddit discussion that they both, so for the record, I want to answer your question. The Walking Dead came out within the same year that the movie came out?

00:39:56 Speaker_00
But someone noted that they both were taking from another movie that came out in the 60s Oh, what was that movie the day of the triffids day of the triffids? It's just is that a monster movie yeah, it's like zombies or something like that

00:40:17 Speaker_05
After being splashed with triffid poison from a stinger during his recovery is told of an unexpected green meteor shower what?

00:40:25 Speaker_00
That's some 1976 shit for the record I guess 28 days later may have to start walking dead may have taken from hmm interesting

00:40:34 Speaker_06
Yeah. Well, 28 Days Later was a lot earlier, right? What year did 28 Days Later come out?

00:40:42 Speaker_00
It says the comics came out less than a year after 28 Days Later was first in cinemas. Yeah, so 28 Days Later was first.

00:40:50 Speaker_03
this guy just got into Game of Thrones like 20 years later.

00:40:53 Speaker_02
And I'm like, I'm late to the game? I go, dude, the fucking thing's been out. I don't know, I never had Max. I just got Max just so I could watch that shit. And the season is good. Season two. Dude, it's good. Yeah, it is good. I ain't gonna lie, it is good.

00:41:06 Speaker_02
It's a real good show.

00:41:07 Speaker_03
I liked it so much, I told Dean, after the first season, I didn't want to wait till the second season, so I got the book. And I ended up reading all five books.

00:41:15 Speaker_02
And that blows my mind. I didn't even know Max. Did that good?

00:41:20 Speaker_03
Oh, it's fucking great. I loved it so much, I did it on my iPad, and because of my ADD, I made the font real big, so it's like two paragraphs, I'm like, eh, I'm going right through it.

00:41:30 Speaker_03
I'm wise, I'll start looking at a squirrel, I'll move my attention span. I didn't even know Matt could read and shit.

00:41:38 Speaker_06
Well, you know, I started with comic books, but I loved it so much that I just Sorry, so why is 28 days later been removed from streaming says indeed Disney lost the rights to the independently financed original film With them now only owning the rights to searchlight finance sequel 28 weeks later.

00:41:53 Speaker_06
So well who the fuck owns it? And they would they don't want to put it on Netflix, why wouldn't they?

00:42:00 Speaker_03
It's one of the best zombie movies of all time. It is great.

00:42:03 Speaker_00
It's great cuz it's when they weren't slow they get rabid Could be one of those VPN things it could be another country and maybe you sneak around and Maybe maybe that was a great movie.

00:42:14 Speaker_03
It's coming. They're coming out with 28 years later.

00:42:16 Speaker_06
Yeah Yeah, is there anybody left?

00:42:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think it's that guy to peek.

00:42:22 Speaker_06
He's only the guy who's left What kind of life is that? What kind of life is it like if some fucking Wuhan China lab comes up with some zombie virus and releases it? That sounds crazy, but rabies is real. That's exactly what rabies is.

00:42:38 Speaker_03
It's kujo.

00:42:39 Speaker_06
Rabies takes animals that never want to bite people and turns them into an animal that needs to bite you. They run at you. They're not scared of you. Rats will run at you. Foxes, they run at you when they have rabies.

00:42:53 Speaker_02
I never thought about that.

00:42:55 Speaker_06
Yeah, rabies is just zombies.

00:42:57 Speaker_06
It is on me because it kills people before we figured out how to stop it Like and you have to get crazy shots and you have to get those shots before you start having symptoms Like what they have to find out you got bit and then give you those shots and it has to happen really quickly Because if you don't it kills most people Jesus.

00:43:15 Speaker_06
Yeah, what a nice kill something like 99% of the people that get it What? Yeah, it's an old disease.

00:43:22 Speaker_06
And so one of the things they figured out is that if they slow down everything in your body and put you into a medically induced coma, it gives your body the resources to fight it off because your body can fight it off, but it can't fight it off as quick as the virus moves forward.

00:43:38 Speaker_06
It's a, it's an old virus, man. It's an old, it's a weird. Oh, that's crazy. So like when you think about what that is, it's a crazy old virus. It spreads itself by making its host violent. It is rage.

00:43:56 Speaker_06
So saying that no one would ever do this, these fucking psychopath eggheads that they give these grants to that do this fucking gain-of-function research shit on viruses, making them more infectious to human beings, do you think they would stop at a coronavirus?

00:44:13 Speaker_06
Why wouldn't they fuck with rabies?

00:44:15 Speaker_03
You know who fights like they have rabies? Merab.

00:44:25 Speaker_06
I used to say that about Liam Harrison.

00:44:28 Speaker_03
And, you know, people are making a big thing about, oh, he's got to get him down. He's got to get him down. He didn't get home. Listen, he gets him down. He's in trouble, Sugar Sean. But look what he did to Jose Aldo.

00:44:39 Speaker_03
He didn't get him down too much and put him up against the cage. That all that height is the The difference in height, the reach, that's at a disadvantage once he gets a hold of him.

00:44:50 Speaker_03
So he could beat the shit out of him up against the cage, he doesn't get him down for a round. Now there's a little less pop in his punches and strikes. That length is gonna be a problem when he closes the distance, Murad.

00:45:05 Speaker_02
So I gotta ask you because you know Murad better than anybody here, I'm sure. From that, when I see him now, he's just a different animal. A complete different character. Has he always been this type of character?

00:45:18 Speaker_03
Making jokes and always been funny? When he first came to us, the English wasn't great at all. It's not what it is now. He's always been a sweetheart. Just a sweetheart.

00:45:29 Speaker_01
That's what I thought of him. Imagine having Matt and Ray Longo as your English teachers. Oh no, he's fun.

00:45:36 Speaker_06
Oh, my God. He's always been funny. Come on. And Ray, I love you. You know that. Bro, a reality show with you and Ray Longo.

00:45:48 Speaker_03
Oh, my God.

00:45:49 Speaker_06
Cornering fighters and just traveling around and training fighters. You know how big that show would be?

00:45:53 Speaker_03
You know what's funny? I just had a moment. I want to thank you, by the way. I just did my own ... Once a week, I'm doing my own podcast called Geeking Out with Matt Zara. Thank you. You're the one who pushed me to do that.

00:46:03 Speaker_06
Listen, you are a natural. Thank you.

00:46:05 Speaker_03
You're a natural for this. Actually, it's out today. The second episode I did, I did one with my buddy Phoenix Carnevale. She's great. We talked about our worst to best X-Men movies.

00:46:17 Speaker_06
This is right up my alley. Are you doing this on YouTube too?

00:46:19 Speaker_03
Yes, on YouTube. It's the Matt Serra channel.

00:46:22 Speaker_06
You have it on everything, Spotify. It's gonna be on Spotify.

00:46:24 Speaker_03
It is on Spotify. And I did two episodes, one with Phoenix about the X-Men movies, and the second one was myself and Ray Longo. My studio's nine minutes from Longo's school. And we did our top five gangster movies.

00:46:38 Speaker_03
There's a movie that's on our list that I didn't know this fact until it came out, because I don't know why people didn't see this movie. Did you ever see State of Grace with Sean Penn? A lot of people haven't seen that. Phenomenal.

00:46:50 Speaker_03
I watched it again with my wife before I did the show. Back in my head, because I knew it was going to be on the list. And I wondered why so many people didn't see this movie. So fucking the great Ray Longo brought up a great point.

00:47:02 Speaker_03
It came out the opening weekend, same as Goodfellas.

00:47:06 Speaker_02
Same opening weekend.

00:47:07 Speaker_03
That's why it was fucking under the radar. You've never seen it.

00:47:10 Speaker_02
How dare you? I never even heard of it until you just said it right now. I remember it. Very good movie.

00:47:16 Speaker_03
Very good movie. Real good movie. Yeah. So that's the second episode, Mia Longo. That's a good one to remember.

00:47:21 Speaker_06
That's a good one to remember. I forgot about that.

00:47:23 Speaker_03
State of Grace is great. Another one on the list, a lot of people have seen this because Biggie Smalls raps about him, is The King of New York.

00:47:30 Speaker_01
Yeah, great movie.

00:47:30 Speaker_06
Have you ever seen The King of New York with Christopher Walken?

00:47:34 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:47:34 Speaker_06
All right, but let me ask you this. Does heat count? Is that a mob movie? You know what? I was thinking about putting it in there, but I didn't.

00:47:41 Speaker_01
It's more of a heist movie.

00:47:42 Speaker_06
It's a heist movie, but it's organized crime. It is. The guy who got out of jail, it's based on a real dude. The guy who was the De Niro character who got out of jail, that's based on a real dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:54 Speaker_06
He did a bunch of robberies, and then he went to jail for a long ass time and got out and did a bunch more robberies. Was he a mob dude? He was organized crime for sure, but it's like, Who is he connected to? Was he connected to the mafia?

00:48:07 Speaker_06
Was he independent, organized crime? But he was like super sophisticated.

00:48:10 Speaker_01
It was a fantastic movie.

00:48:11 Speaker_02
Phenomenal movie. But does American Gangster count?

00:48:14 Speaker_06
Right. That probably does.

00:48:16 Speaker_02
It's literally in the title.

00:48:17 Speaker_06
Also in the title, it says gangster. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's an honorable mention. Bro, that's a great movie. That's a fucking great movie. And also based on a real dude.

00:48:30 Speaker_03
The heat, the movie, the heat, a funny thing about Al Pacino in that movie, he's over the top in it, you know? She's got a great ass!

00:48:44 Speaker_03
When I seen him, he spoke about his role in that, he goes, what they didn't, when he goes, what influenced him about playing that character is that he was, the character was chipping off pieces of cocaine, like he was like a coke head.

00:48:57 Speaker_03
And they kind of took that out of the movie, but that's how he was playing, like all coked up. So that kind of, it kind of explains it, like how he was so out of his mind.

00:49:05 Speaker_06
So they didn't show it in the movie, but that was how it was written?

00:49:08 Speaker_03
He said it, it was, yes, that his, he had, he was like a chipping off pieces of cocaine.

00:49:13 Speaker_04
Did they just edit that out of the movie? I have no clue, but he definitely said it in an interview. Was it in the movie?

00:49:18 Speaker_06
Do it in the movie Imagine you're doing that you're doing this all coked up character.

00:49:24 Speaker_03
He's doing It made perfect sense though once he said it he goes he was that's why you know I chose some of the the choices I made for that character

00:49:39 Speaker_06
If there was no meth, how much less crime would there be? If you think about how many ridiculous crimes get cooked up while they're on meth, literally. Or to get the meth.

00:49:54 Speaker_01
Meth influence.

00:49:55 Speaker_06
Remember that North Hollywood shootout? It was just like the movie Heat.

00:49:59 Speaker_01
Oh, yes! They were in body armor and shit.

00:50:01 Speaker_06
These dudes had body armor. They had, like, fucking big, giant machine guns and shit. Oh, yeah.

00:50:06 Speaker_01
They were literally just walking up the street, blasting people.

00:50:09 Speaker_06
Apparently, they were roided out of their fucking minds. These dudes were roided out of their minds, doing coke, and they robbed this bank in North Hollywood, and the cops boxed them in. They had a shootout on the street. Oh, yeah.

00:50:22 Speaker_06
I was on news radio at the time. We stopped production of the show to watch it on television.

00:50:27 Speaker_01
Everybody was like, what the fuck is going on? It was so crazy. How far from you was it?

00:50:32 Speaker_06
Real close. Real close. Like we were in Studio City, North Hollywood's 15 minutes away, 10 minutes away. Real close. In the middle of the street.

00:50:42 Speaker_01
You ever see the footage? It's crazy. The news footage is wild.

00:50:45 Speaker_06
The footage is crazy. And here's what's crazy. One of the cops shot one of the dudes and then did not call for ambulance, did not. And then people were criticizing him that he let the guy bleed out.

00:50:56 Speaker_02
Damn.

00:50:56 Speaker_06
Yeah, I remember these fucking crazy liberals. They were criticized again because this psychopathic murderer who just robbed a bank was gunning down cops because he let them bleed out and didn't get them to an ambulance in time. Shit. Yo. Exactly.

00:51:11 Speaker_01
Yeah, shit. I think we know that guy's guilty. There's no CGI in 1996. Save the taxpayers some money.

00:51:18 Speaker_06
See if you can find that, Jamie, because it's crazy to watch, man. In the middle of the street dude in the middle yeah, yeah, yeah, so these guys were having a shootout with cops guys walking down the street Just blast like a movie.

00:51:32 Speaker_06
Yeah, like a fucking cops dude, and this is just one part of it Sometimes he was ducking behind cars with giant rifles and shit. I mean they were just armed to the tits This is him at the end, so I think at the end.

00:51:45 Speaker_01
He's probably trying to die It's a pretty long scene to like what the real the real shit went down I forgot how it ends.

00:51:51 Speaker_06
Oh, we got him with another shot.

00:51:53 Speaker_00
That keeps going, because then the other guy comes.

00:51:55 Speaker_06
So he's trying to die. He's probably already been shot.

00:51:58 Speaker_03
This guy's doing a little GTA action now.

00:52:02 Speaker_06
It went on for a long-ass time, too. And this is back when, if something happened, they would, we interrupt General Hospital. to show you the Hollywood shootout. Hollywood shootout. Bro, this is in the caveman days. I lived in the caveman days.

00:52:16 Speaker_02
Yo, what year was this?

00:52:17 Speaker_06
This is like 97.

00:52:18 Speaker_02
Oh, 97?

00:52:19 Speaker_06
Yeah. Really? Oh, I don't even remember this. Yeah, I remember it big time. Yeah, I do too.

00:52:26 Speaker_06
Because I have a friend, my friend Justin, he's always said, he goes, dude, let me tell you something, six armed dudes that know what the fuck they're doing could take over a whole city. I was like, really? He goes, cities are so vulnerable.

00:52:39 Speaker_06
We're so vulnerable. Six dudes, six operators really know what they're doing.

00:52:44 Speaker_02
Could take over a whole city.

00:52:45 Speaker_06
Guys who used to work for Blackwater come over. Yeah, yeah. He's like, you should be fucking surprised.

00:52:54 Speaker_06
So when you see something like this happen, it's like, how do they keep these fucking crazy people from, you know, we need to do a better job of finding out where the meth is going. I know.

00:53:05 Speaker_06
You know, you're going to trace the illegal aliens, but find out who's bringing in the meth. Who's bringing, where's that fucking meth coming in? I know a lot of people are coming in.

00:53:13 Speaker_01
Oh, do they just make it, right? They just make it, right? Yeah, they can make it. Well, you need precursors. They try to lock down most of the drugs for it now, like the Sudafed and shit.

00:53:21 Speaker_01
I mean, you got to get a license to get that stuff now, that's why.

00:53:24 Speaker_06
The people that are making that, they're not using that. They're getting real chemicals. They're getting the real precursors, but you have to get them from like China.

00:53:30 Speaker_06
So they're getting them from China, cooking it up in Mexico, bringing it across the border. Wee! Things are at the truck stop.

00:53:37 Speaker_01
We're driving all night long. Breaking bad. Walter White doing that shit. Another great TV show.

00:53:45 Speaker_06
I've talked about it a thousand times, but there's a book that we just read. It's called Blitzed. This dude Norman Oher. It's all about the Nazis.

00:53:55 Speaker_03
They gave them Nazi's meth. Oh yeah, there's that scene of Hitler fucking watching the fucking games.

00:54:02 Speaker_06
Yeah, but what they did was they were given a meth so they could go three days through Poland. So they could just storm through Poland. And so when they did this, no one thought they could get across the whole country in three days.

00:54:15 Speaker_06
And you really couldn't unless you didn't sleep. So all they did is gave these guys meth. And they gave different doses to different jobs. So if you were in the tanks, they gave you the most meth. You're at the front of the line, fucker.

00:54:30 Speaker_03
Just yelling in German and just boom, boom. Did you see that tank fucking movie? I was watching it last night since you said that. Brad Pitt. Fury. Fury, yeah. That's fucking pretty badass. That's a badass movie. John Bernthal.

00:54:43 Speaker_06
That's a badass movie.

00:54:44 Speaker_03
Bernthal? Yeah. He's a good actor, man.

00:54:46 Speaker_06
He's a good dude too, man. Very interesting guy. The Punisher. Yeah, he's very smart. Yeah, I'm on the podcast. I'm like, he's a genuine thinker.

00:54:55 Speaker_06
You know, he really thinks he's like, sometimes you talk to actors, and they're like pretending to be a guy that you would want to talk to. Yeah, that's what it feels like when you talk to like, they're not really there. But john's like, right there.

00:55:06 Speaker_03
He's also phenomenal in a movie that a lot of people didn't see called shotcaller.

00:55:11 Speaker_03
oh yeah yeah that's a game of thrones game of thrones guy that's a game of thrones guy that's a fucking great what's it about oh it basically jamie lannister i just know him as jamie lannister he's you know he's like a yuppie guy he's going out to eat with another couple

00:55:26 Speaker_03
He goes through a red light, he gets to a car accident, next thing you know, he's facing prison time. And he's like, not a guy he made for prison. Remember that old Tom Hanks, not Tom Hanks, Tom Selleck movie, Innocent Man?

00:55:36 Speaker_03
Something kind of like that, but he really did the accident. Next thing you know, he gets to the prison, he doesn't want to be no bitch, and it goes from there. And he becomes a hardcore fucking guy. They call him Money.

00:55:48 Speaker_03
And that's how he ends up, but he didn't start off like that. And all man is it a nose in it Keith Jardine really yeah, Keith Jardine's a cellmate in there.

00:55:56 Speaker_06
He's creating it Oh, he's a must book for any prison Yeah, I believe he was great John Rollo you you next yeah, you look like you'd be in prison Oh, you could be in that movie. Yeah, you'd be part of that fucking Aryan.

00:56:12 Speaker_06
I remember when Keith Jardine beat Chuck Liddell. Oh I was like, wow.

00:56:20 Speaker_03
That was a big win. And then he suffered some of the same losses. Well, like Houston Alexander.

00:56:26 Speaker_06
Houston Alexander one was crazy. He was like, he just had a bare knuckle boxing fight recently. Really? Houston He's got to be in his 40s. He's in his 50s. It's either bare knuckle boxing or maybe like celebrity boxing.

00:56:44 Speaker_06
I forget, some kind of boxing thing he just did. But Houston Alexander in his prime was terrifying.

00:56:49 Speaker_02
Yeah, he was.

00:56:50 Speaker_06
He was terrifying.

00:56:51 Speaker_02
He had crazy power. Yeah, like if he did bare knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it.

00:56:57 Speaker_05
Oh, he's built for it, yeah. He was a victim of his own success, that's what happened.

00:57:01 Speaker_01
He knocked out a couple people quick.

00:57:02 Speaker_06
Look at that, May 19, 2023, bare knuckle. He won. Man, look at them results. He beat Joey Beltran.

00:57:10 Speaker_01
Joey Beltran can fight.

00:57:11 Speaker_06
Get out of here. Jeremy Smith. Damn, look at him. He's still out there fighting. But he always was in phenomenal shape. That dude was jacked.

00:57:21 Speaker_01
Yeah, definitely.

00:57:22 Speaker_06
With that Keith Jardine fight, Jardine had him hurt. And so Jardine got a little overzealous and came after him. And Houston Alexander caught him. That was a shocker. Because Keith Jardine was a name.

00:57:35 Speaker_06
And then this, just upstart, this guy coming out of nowhere. I think he was a radio DJ.

00:57:40 Speaker_01
I think he beat, was it Sakara after that, the Italian? Alessio Sakara? Yeah, yeah.

00:57:47 Speaker_06
And remember the crazy fight with Kimbo too.

00:57:49 Speaker_02
Yeah, Kimbo.

00:57:50 Speaker_06
But I think he was a radio DJ at the time.

00:57:53 Speaker_02
Could you imagine being a radio DJ and people fucking DJs and shit? Man, that dude sucked, man. Yeah, right?

00:57:58 Speaker_06
It was a radio DJ, why are these fucking people up? It's kind of crazy.

00:58:03 Speaker_03
It's like you in the barbershop, Dean Thomas. That's right, bro. They complain about that fade. Nah, ain't no complaining about my fade, G. You did a nice, you used to hook my head up on her every week when I still had hair. Yup.

00:58:14 Speaker_03
That's how we became friends. Cause they brought in, on the Ultimate Fighter 4, they brought in some chick. Cause they know we, you know, we're not seeing our fiancés or girlfriends or anything. We have no women. We got no porn.

00:58:24 Speaker_03
We're not jerking off in the same rooms. So fucking, they bring in some girl to do our hair.

00:58:29 Speaker_06
Is that a code?

00:58:35 Speaker_03
But uh, so they brought in some stylists then she's not giving me a fade So I might get the fuck at Dean's like I got you. I said I got you man.

00:58:42 Speaker_03
You're good You know to look good is the feel-good you probably the reason why I won that show What season are they on now 32 I That's crazy. You know what's sad man the other day. I just did a um a camera crew from uh Toronto came down.

00:59:02 Speaker_03
They're doing a thing called dark side of the cage and they want to interview me about war machine And they came out And I did a thing for that and I uh, it just depressed me It just it was just it just brought me down because that was a kid.

00:59:15 Speaker_03
Did you know him? Had him on the podcast when he was that's right when

00:59:20 Speaker_03
When he was on the show There's some guys that are just evil and there's other guys that I think that if they're the right people around them They could have made different choices, and that's he was like a goofy He had issues. He was emotional.

00:59:33 Speaker_03
He always felt like the Stack was against cards was stacked against the type of thing but but But he was still there was something likable about him on the show when he was on season six of the ultimate fighter He was like like a prankster.

00:59:45 Speaker_03
He did it up a Decker and fucking the guys toilet. He was like a silly guy and

00:59:49 Speaker_03
But I felt that if there was somebody if he had the right people around him I think he could have made Obviously a lot better choices, but think about that like but that goes for all of us, right?

00:59:58 Speaker_02
Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right? And then me and Matt you we still in the game. Yeah, but then look at guys like him and Phil Barone You could have too much

01:00:12 Speaker_06
You know, you can have too much bravado. You can have too much crazy, and then it'll ruin your life. And there's like, every fighter has a certain amount of crazy. And some guys keep their crazy charmed.

01:00:22 Speaker_02
They keep it all locked up.

01:00:23 Speaker_06
They keep it locked up in a fucking behind that mask. But some guys, their crazy burns them down. It burns down everything around them. And then, you know, you got the CTE.

01:00:34 Speaker_06
And CTE comes into play, then there's a lot of guys that just get real impulsive, they become addicts, they fuck up all relationships, they can't keep their shit together, they're either crying or they're angry.

01:00:46 Speaker_03
There's some guys that are just bad eggs.

01:00:48 Speaker_06
There are guys that are bad eggs, but there are guys for sure that are bad eggs that then get CTE.

01:00:53 Speaker_03
Oh, no, there's probably both. Yeah. But like, War Machine, the one guy to show up at his trial to be there for him, And again, you show me your friends, you show me who you are. And it was Phil Barone. Now, Phil Barone is not a good guy.

01:01:06 Speaker_03
The guy's from Long Island. A million stories about him. Well, isn't he in jail right now? Well, that's what I'm saying. In Mexico? Not only did he be there for War Machine, he outdid him.

01:01:16 Speaker_03
He put his girl in the hospital, beat the shit out of her, and now Barone's in jail for allegedly You know murder yeah murder in in uh in mexico, yeah port of iota, I think you know, it was like A bad one too like beating to death.

01:01:33 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah And now that guy I mean listen Allegedly allegedly. Yeah, but uh, it's brutal man. So I you know these guys come, you know again, but back to war machine

01:01:44 Speaker_03
I don't know it makes me more like Phil I always knew was a piece of shit but War Machine I felt could have been helped I really do I mean it is what it's done is done but I don't know it depresses me because I thought there was some hope there was some hope you had him on the show didn't you think there was something about I never would have imagined that he would have done that right but I would imagine that he would lose his cool if anybody like challenged him a male

01:02:10 Speaker_06
I just never thought that he would do that to a girl.

01:02:12 Speaker_03
I mean the way he did that too.

01:02:13 Speaker_06
I mean I was shot the whole thing's it's just Just awful every part about is awful. Press the hell out of me and how many guys that

01:02:24 Speaker_06
are doing this like have also experienced that in their life like seeing their mother been beaten been beaten by their father grew up in an abusive household where everybody hits everybody there's a lot of kids unfortunately in this world that grow up with parents beating the shit out of them and beating the shit out of each other yeah and you know if you ever talked to Joe Pfeiffer man Joe Pfeiffer oh my god that's my guy he was on your podcast reason why he's a fucking assassin

01:02:49 Speaker_06
Yeah, right cuz that that dude's angry angry all the time all the time and he hits like a fucking neutron bomb He's terrifying I was working with him last week when I was with Brady them and we were doing elbows and my wrist The same right now, bro, and he banged out barrio.

01:03:06 Speaker_06
I was like Jesus Christ, I mean with more seasoning Jack Della, I mean Jack Jack Hermanson fought a beautiful fight. He outsmarted him. Had more time in the game. And Jack's stand-up has gotten a lot better over the years.

01:03:25 Speaker_06
He used to be just this wicked grappler, but he held his own on the feet and won the fight mostly with striking. And pace. And just not knowing not to empty the gas tank, but Pfeiffer is so scary that he gets everybody out of there so quick.

01:03:40 Speaker_02
Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them. I promise you that.

01:03:43 Speaker_06
I believe you 100%. He's terrifying. And a dude like that, he needs a fight like that just to put it in perspective. Yeah, put him in check. He said, all right, I got a lot more to learn. Yeah. You got to learn the gas tank.

01:03:56 Speaker_06
Yeah, how many guys don't learn the gas tank, right?

01:03:58 Speaker_03
You know, that's what's great about Brady the other day. Yeah, he knew when to put the foot on the gas.

01:04:04 Speaker_06
I was more impressed with the stand up.

01:04:05 Speaker_03
Thank you.

01:04:05 Speaker_01
Earlier, it was all his grappling and I'm thinking this guy, I text him right after a fight and that was what I complimented him on.

01:04:13 Speaker_02
I gotta give props to John Marquez out in Philly. John Marquez be putting it together. He be putting in work with them guys.

01:04:18 Speaker_06
You can tell he's a good student, too, man, because every fight you see him. And I think in the Bilal Muhammad fight, early in the fight, he was giving Bilal some trouble standing up.

01:04:27 Speaker_06
But Bilal just put it... I don't know if Bilal gets nearly the respect he deserves. Nah, but he's still the man. Yeah, Bilal's the man. Bro, the way he put it on Leon Edwards, how the fuck do you not give that guy all the props?

01:04:40 Speaker_01
He handled Sean.

01:04:42 Speaker_06
He handled Gilbert, he handled Sean, he handled everybody. He stopped Sean standing up, you know? And then when you see what he did to Leon, you're like, good lord. It just overwhelmed him. Overwhelming pressure. And on the feet too.

01:04:55 Speaker_02
On the feet, yeah.

01:04:56 Speaker_06
On the feet, real fucking dangerous, never lets you get set.

01:04:59 Speaker_02
Had Leon making excuses about the time change. Put it that way, yeah.

01:05:04 Speaker_06
Yeah, man. It's a different kind of fight. Yeah, Leon never found his timing, ever. And bro, that guy going to Dagestan was like the ultimate move.

01:05:12 Speaker_01
The ultimate move.

01:05:12 Speaker_06
You get involved with Khabib.

01:05:14 Speaker_01
He was smart.

01:05:14 Speaker_06
Especially with his kind of style and his work ethic. Yeah. That dude has a work ethic.

01:05:19 Speaker_01
Made his top control definitely look better. It's incredible.

01:05:23 Speaker_06
I also think it's good that he didn't get the props. Because it keeps him hungry. It keeps you hungry. It keeps you fucking 100%. I'll show you bitches.

01:05:31 Speaker_02
He's still like that too, man. He's still hungry. He's still down to earth. He ain't get all high class.

01:05:38 Speaker_06
No, no, no. Well, he's just begun, right? So this is a championship run. He proved everybody wrong. He won the title. Tell everybody, fuck you, even though he doesn't even swear. He says, fudge. He'll say, fudge you.

01:05:49 Speaker_02
I'm like, what's wrong with you, man? He's supposed to cuss. He's crazy. He doesn't cuss.

01:05:52 Speaker_06
But that guy's just beginning his run, so who knows? But that division... Who do you think they give him next? I think they give him Kamaru.

01:06:00 Speaker_06
That's the big money fight, it's the smart fight, and I think they owe Kamaru for Kamaru taking Hamza on 10 days notice. And also in a three-rounder instead of a five when he won the third.

01:06:13 Speaker_06
So he's got the L, which is if he's going five rounds, maybe he doesn't get it. I think he doesn't get the L. It looked to me like he was coming on in the third. He had to figure him out and also he had to trust his gas tank.

01:06:23 Speaker_06
The guy trained ten days, one of the scariest motherfuckers on earth.

01:06:31 Speaker_03
He had to weather that fucking storm of a first round. You're getting off a couch, even if you're in great shape, you have to weather something like that, that could get your endurance down right there.

01:06:42 Speaker_06
And he didn't he had to know like what how do how much do I have like how do I manage this? But he did manage it. He didn't get stopped He didn't get finished and then he comes on and wins the third round. You gotta go.

01:06:53 Speaker_06
Come on, man You won't have any more years of Camaro. He's like 37.

01:06:57 Speaker_02
That's what I'm and he doesn't have time to go another run He's gotta be 37. How was tomorrow? I say give him a shot. I say give him a shot.

01:07:07 Speaker_06
Shavkot, you know, he's only gonna- He got time! Not only that, every win, he's a legend. Bigger and bigger legend. Yeah. Bigger and bigger legend. See, give it to him. Give it to Kamaru.

01:07:18 Speaker_02
And you gotta get them badass knees too, man.

01:07:20 Speaker_06
We can't- Exactly. I send him every time I find something on stem cells, I send it to him.

01:07:24 Speaker_02
Do you?

01:07:24 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:07:24 Speaker_06
Yeah, because they're regenerating cartilage now.

01:07:26 Speaker_03
I'm thinking about doing that shit for my- I'm starting to feel my shoulders, man. You should. You should do it. I'm thinking about that. How long are you in town for? Tomorrow.

01:07:34 Speaker_06
What time tomorrow do you leave?

01:07:35 Speaker_03
In the morning.

01:07:36 Speaker_06
What time in the morning?

01:07:38 Speaker_03
I think like 7 or some shit.

01:07:39 Speaker_02
We'll get you in at 5.30.

01:07:41 Speaker_06
Stem cells. I might be able to get you in this afternoon. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Let me see.

01:07:46 Speaker_05
I think I gotta go to Columbia for that shit.

01:07:48 Speaker_06
No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ways to Well can do stuff here. They do different things in Colombia. In Colombia, what they can do is they can multiply the stem cells. So they can take stem cells. They do that in the CPI down in Tijuana.

01:08:02 Speaker_06
That's the place. And they have a whole arrangement with the UFC. They have a partnership with the UFC. CPI is incredible. They're in Tijuana.

01:08:09 Speaker_01
Damn. My buddy has a spot at home called LifeMed. They have a deal with the UFC as well. Petralski goes there, like a bunch of these guys doing that stuff.

01:08:17 Speaker_06
Stem cells are absolutely legit.

01:08:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, because I mean, listen, I got a new knee and it's holding up great, but I hear stuff with the shoulders you're fucked. You can't get soldier surgeries and shit.

01:08:27 Speaker_06
Well, you can, but you can't use it anymore. It's going to take some time. It's a complicated joint. Do you do anything to strengthen your shoulders? Do you do any workouts? I mean, no.

01:08:37 Speaker_03
I mean, I do my push-ups, and I hang from my bar, just stretching shit out.

01:08:41 Speaker_06
Anybody that has shoulder problems, I have no affiliation with these people. Get yourself crossover symmetry bands. Get yourself these bands. They start with like five pounds or something like that. I use a 25-pound one. It's not a lot of force.

01:08:55 Speaker_06
And I do a series of exercises just to stabilize my shoulders. A whole series of different things that I do Every week no matter what I do this is like that thing with the coils back in the day it is But it's just it's like a bungee cord.

01:09:09 Speaker_06
It's like a cord like a you know rubber strap that you're pulling on Different ones have different weights to them so you could start off low But the whole idea is there's a whole chart that comes with it and shows you all the different things and it just strengthens all the shit that you don't strengthen when you're just lifting weights, okay and

01:09:28 Speaker_06
If you're just lifting weights, or especially if you're just rolling, how often are you really using those shoulder muscles? You're using everything, right?

01:09:35 Speaker_06
So are your shoulder muscles getting a good workout, or is your cardiovascular system, and your legs, and your biceps, and your back, that getting a good workout? But you're going to miss some muscle groups. Jiu-jitsu misses muscle groups.

01:09:47 Speaker_06
And the only way to really strengthen joints, I think, is exercise. And I think you got to do weights and bands and a bunch of shit just to protect your joints. That's like that knees over toes guy.

01:09:57 Speaker_01
This thing you were talking about too helps to really stabilize the, you know, the connective, the ligaments. It tightens up all the stabilizers up. And that's the, that's the thing everybody neglects.

01:10:06 Speaker_01
Cause if you go too heavy, your delt takes over and your rotator cuff's not getting it. So, you know, this kind of, this kind of stuff is, uh, definitely should be used.

01:10:16 Speaker_06
That knees-over-toes guy got a whole shoulder bulletproofing program too with like light dumbbells where you're doing a bunch of these things. Yeah, I love his knee shit.

01:10:23 Speaker_02
See, I gotta do that because holding pads for people, oh, it tears your shoulders up, man. And for you, that's all, all day long.

01:10:29 Speaker_06
Oh my golly. Isn't it crazy how some dudes just have crack, just have some extra crack?

01:10:36 Speaker_02
I'm telling you, Joe Pfeiffer, extra crack.

01:10:39 Speaker_06
Yeah, for sure. Extra crack. For sure. I wouldn't want to hold paths with that, dude. You're going to get carpal tunnel syndrome. Yeah. And that's what happened to me, all in one week. Matt Sara, you had extra crack. You had extra crack.

01:10:50 Speaker_02
Crack?

01:10:51 Speaker_06
Extra crack. Matt Sara had a good right hand. You would catch people and you would see this like, oh no, look on their face.

01:11:00 Speaker_06
Like when you taught GSP, I remember thinking like this because we already knew by then that you could knock people out with one shot, which was so odd for a jujitsu guy.

01:11:10 Speaker_06
So like everybody had to worry about your ground game, but they always have to worry about being in the pocket because one of those hammers drops in there, you got a real problem on your hands.

01:11:18 Speaker_06
I ain't gonna lie, when I fought Matt, I was like, I ain't gonna let him hit me with that right hand.

01:11:21 Speaker_02
He gonna take me down before that. It's a little fire plug.

01:11:25 Speaker_06
But you didn't have a background in striking as a child, right?

01:11:28 Speaker_03
No. My father used to hold pads for me. I had a wooden dummy in my garage. I used to do all my fucking- Wing Chun? And I'll tell you right now, if you're doing Wing Chun,

01:11:38 Speaker_03
as something to add on, that's fun, but the trapping range, the grappling's right there. Anytime I got into a real fight, I'd start with a chain punch and then, ah, I'd do my double leg, so.

01:11:48 Speaker_06
I think there's something to it for transitions.

01:11:51 Speaker_03
Me too.

01:11:51 Speaker_06
I think there's something to having all those moves. Think about how many times you see boxers literally swat a guy's hand down to land a punch. Oh, the puck's out.

01:12:00 Speaker_02
That's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal. Yeah. But by itself it's shit.

01:12:06 Speaker_06
Of course, but Taekwondo by itself is shit too. Everything by itself is shit. Exactly.

01:12:11 Speaker_06
But I think I knew a dude who was really good at Wing Chun and he was explaining some things to me and what some of the things that he was showing me this there's certain vulnerabilities if you're inside with someone where they can really easily manipulate your arms back and forth and move your guard around and drop elbows on you

01:12:28 Speaker_06
Like Wing Chun and then Muay Thai, you see some of the Muay Thai stuff where guys grab wrists and come over the top? There's a lot. That's a lot of Wing Chun.

01:12:36 Speaker_03
The difference is, when you look at two Muay Thai guys get into a street fight, it'll probably look something like you're watching them in a Muay Thai fight.

01:12:44 Speaker_03
You put two Kung Fu masters in there, Wing Chun guys, it is the worst grappling match I've ever seen. Because it starts like a Hitman movie, and then they fucking on the floor. I go, what the?

01:13:04 Speaker_03
But I feel the Western boxing like Longo got me obviously you got them, you know, I had to learn on the job, you know, cuz it's different back in the day because I Everybody when the UFC came out, everybody's like, oh, fuck all the striking.

01:13:17 Speaker_03
So I was like, I in my mentality, I'm like, all right, I got to just close the distance. You can't trade. And then I had to relearn like, no, no, no. Sometimes you got to be in the fire and you have to learn those mechanics and and whatnot.

01:13:28 Speaker_06
Well, that's the difference between guys who are pretty good and guys who become champions. It's like this ability to absorb other skills and then implement them at a world-class level while you're an adult, which is crazy.

01:13:41 Speaker_02
It's not easy to do. It's crazy.

01:13:42 Speaker_06
It's very hard to do. And most guys, they are always going to be a step behind the guys who started out as a child.

01:13:49 Speaker_02
Oh, 100%. Which is more natural to them. Right. Speaking of crack, Mark Delegrati says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for. Ooh. And that's something to say. Yeah, that's a very nice thing to say for a lot of people.

01:14:01 Speaker_02
You kick pretty hard. Yeah. Not a lot of people might give you that credit for that. Did he tell you that yesterday?

01:14:06 Speaker_03
And then he said, Joe, give him a line if you give him a call, maybe he wants to be on the show soon. No, you're going all the other way. He's got the best fucking kick. No, I'm kidding. I like Mark Della Grotti on season four.

01:14:17 Speaker_03
We didn't have set coaches. He was like an assistant coach, and he gave above and beyond for everybody.

01:14:22 Speaker_06
Yeah, he's a great dude and a great coach, too. I love training with him. He showed me all kinds of things that tightened up my technique. All kinds of things.

01:14:33 Speaker_06
All kinds of things, just in transitions, like transitional techniques, like different things to do off of different kicks.

01:14:40 Speaker_03
And shit, he's still teaching as a school, right? Yeah, he still has a school sit. Yeah, what is it called digitomes? That's what I was gonna say.

01:14:45 Speaker_06
Yeah But that dude I try to hurt him you try to hurt those arms.

01:14:49 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah You know, he was letting us hit the pads take him down hit on the floor like he'd be earned his He earned his cash on fucking ultimate fight. He's a man.

01:15:00 Speaker_06
He's a man. He's a great coach and you know speaks Thai fluent does he really I didn't know that fluently Speaks Thai. That's wild. Yeah, he can go to Thailand and just talk to people. No kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:11 Speaker_06
We've gone to Thai restaurants and he just orders Thai to the plate.

01:15:13 Speaker_01
What? With a Boston accent? Yeah, he does.

01:15:15 Speaker_06
Yeah, with a Boston accent, yeah. Oh, yeah, you can tell it's Mac De La Grata. That's funny. Yeah, he does. He speaks Thai. He fought in Thailand a bunch. Yeah, I knew that, but I didn't know he spoke Thai. He's an interesting dude. Very interesting dude.

01:15:27 Speaker_06
Hey, uh, are we breaking out the smelling salts? Are you scared?

01:15:31 Speaker_03
I am scared. He's waiting. You should be. Hold on, so what do they do?

01:15:33 Speaker_06
This is the strongest shit.

01:15:34 Speaker_03
I know what they're doing.

01:15:35 Speaker_06
I mean, maybe there's some stronger shit that I'm not aware of, but this is, uh, Juju Mufu should give us, like, a discount code. Who? It's called Ah. This dude Juju Mufu, do you know who he is?

01:15:46 Speaker_02
I've never heard of him.

01:15:46 Speaker_06
He's a crazy power lifter athlete. Super athletic. Crazy athletic, but built like Bobby Lashley. He can do full splits over tables. He's like doing like 500 pound overhead squats. Yeah, bro. He's crazy flexible. And he weighs a thong. He's a nut. He's a nut.

01:16:03 Speaker_06
He's like always doing nutty shit for the internet.

01:16:06 Speaker_02
So the smelling salts will get me looking like that?

01:16:07 Speaker_06
No, no, no. I think you need some other things. I'm afraid of my stomach.

01:16:12 Speaker_01
You take the smelling salts before you lift that weight. I'm not going to smell this and have to shit myself.

01:16:16 Speaker_06
You take the smelling salts before you go across the border with 15 pounds of steroids.

01:16:22 Speaker_03
You have to use the bathroom.

01:16:24 Speaker_06
No, no, no, no. So again, this is a fresh one. The fresh ones are the strongest. Jesus Christ. This is so strong that I'm going to open it. It's a sealed bottle. The bottle's sealed and the bag is sealed too. God damn it, my hands are sweaty.

01:16:37 Speaker_06
It stinks already. Just smell it. It stinks already. I haven't even opened the bag yet. The bag is still sealed. You guys are going to find out. The bag is still sealed. So I'm going to open this.

01:16:49 Speaker_06
Oh, smell that so smell that just get a whiff and it's sealed inside the bag. I get it sealed You're not even ready yet, you don't even know what's happening.

01:17:03 Speaker_01
This is ammonia.

01:17:04 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's this is where it goes on.

01:17:06 Speaker_01
It's bad. Let's go!

01:17:08 Speaker_06
Let's go!

01:17:14 Speaker_03
Oh, we're going this night, counterclockwise.

01:17:16 Speaker_06
Take a deep, big, deep, deep, deep, deep breath. A few inches from the nose and just go for it. Oh, that's Lil' Vic's vapor rub. Oh, my God. Rallo probably did it this morning before he woke up. Yo.

01:17:34 Speaker_01
Man, it's been many, many years. Wow. So I've never- Get in there, Rallo.

01:17:40 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah.

01:17:40 Speaker_01
I think he lied to me.

01:17:41 Speaker_02
I think I have to do this shit. Yeah, that'll cure snoring, for sure.

01:17:46 Speaker_06
I just did three, motherfucker.

01:17:52 Speaker_03
Yeah, I'm sweating.

01:17:55 Speaker_01
What movie is this from? Blade! Blade!

01:18:00 Speaker_06
Best opening scene of any superhero movie of all time.

01:18:05 Speaker_03
Did you see Deadpool and Wolverine? No.

01:18:07 Speaker_06
But I can't fuck with this! I cannot fuck with the opening scene in Blade when they all turn into vampires and he thought he was gonna fuck Tracy Lords. Oh yeah.

01:18:16 Speaker_06
So he's down there hanging out with Tracy Lourdes and he doesn't know she's a vampire and she leads him down this basement where he sees bodies hanging from meat hooks and he doesn't, he's like, what the fuck is this place?

01:18:25 Speaker_06
And then the sprinklers start spraying blood and everybody turns into a vampire around him. And he's freaking out and he's trying to get out of there and she's like, hey baby.

01:18:33 Speaker_04
This is a great movie.

01:18:35 Speaker_06
And he gets his ass kicked and they're all beating him up and they're about to kill him and Wesley Snipes shows up. So is Wesley Snipes back as Blade? They're gonna have him back as Blade now, right?

01:18:46 Speaker_01
You haven't seen Wolverine? No. Is it? Yeah, he's... Thank God!

01:18:49 Speaker_06
Should we say? They should have brought him back as Blade right when he got out of prison.

01:18:53 Speaker_02
But you didn't like sticky fingers?

01:18:55 Speaker_06
Here it is. Here it is. This is the scene. Like, oh shit, it's the Daywalker. They're all like, oh no. Come on, bro, what's the greatest scene? The greatest scene in any martial arts slash superhero movie ever, and then he fucks everybody up, of course.

01:19:14 Speaker_06
That was great.

01:19:16 Speaker_02
So what do people do to smelling salts for? They do it before they lift.

01:19:19 Speaker_01
Yeah, power lifters do it before they take a big lift a lot of times. Oh, just like one before a big lift? A guy would have his shit in their gym bags, and they bring it with them, and when they're ready to go for something crazy.

01:19:29 Speaker_01
They want to do some big dead lifts. Right?

01:19:34 Speaker_06
It's gotta be good for your sinuses. Yeah, I was about to say that. I think it's good for America. I think it's good for everything. I think it's good for everything. We have them at the studio, or at the comedy club.

01:19:44 Speaker_06
Dudes take smell and smell it before they go on stage. Oh, really? Yeah, it's fun. We pass it around the room. I was like, let me try, let me try. Those stuff we have at the comedy club though is not this strong. This is the strongest one.

01:20:07 Speaker_06
This one fucks you up. The other ones you can kind of get in there a little bit. Yeah. You get too close with that one, and it'll burn the inside of your head. I like it. I felt that. I felt it in my brain. You want to get ready to go round two?

01:20:22 Speaker_02
Do it, man. I went round two. I feel like that's what happens. You want to go round three?

01:20:24 Speaker_06
That's what happens with everybody. Everybody, they get it, and they're like, wow, that was terrible. That was terrible.

01:20:28 Speaker_02
Let me do it again.

01:20:29 Speaker_06
One more time.

01:20:31 Speaker_03
You do threes with the sixes? Yeah, I do threes. You know why? Making me feel like a crackhead. He got me into the sixes.

01:20:36 Speaker_06
Yeah, I backed off, because I was realizing, I think I like these things too much. Especially gets the body to hit a little adrenaline. Oh, really? That does. Yeah, we're talking about the nicotines doesn't. Oh, no, no. I like the nicotines, though.

01:20:50 Speaker_06
I like them when I'm having conversations. What'd you do to me now? They're good. I don't think it's bad. I just think you got to be careful. Like, I like to take days off, see if it's freaking me out. So far, no problems.

01:21:02 Speaker_03
I'm having fun. It's the trifecta now. I told y'all, whatever y'all do today, I'm doing. Yeah, I'm good.

01:21:09 Speaker_06
Oh, this is dying out. Yeah, if you keep the lid off. It's dying out already. In between uses, keep that closed. Well, I think it's, you know, it's probably ... Jesus. How consistent are they with this batch?

01:21:19 Speaker_02
Dean, you're doing everything today, Dean. I was just about to say I'm about to cry. about to pull a Khalil Roundtree on y'all. I'm feeling emotional right now. I love Khalil Roundtree. I don't want Khalil Roundtree kicking me. Khalil, I'm sorry.

01:21:33 Speaker_06
I just want to tell you, I'm sorry. But that is going to be a wild fight. I'll tell you what, that's going to be a wild fight. It's going to be fan-friendly for sure. Yeah, Khalil has probably never shot a takedown in his entire career.

01:21:45 Speaker_02
I think Khalil can win too. No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bruv, Khalil hits anybody. He can knock you out.

01:21:51 Speaker_01
Alex gets hit, you know, I mean, it's a fact.

01:21:53 Speaker_02
He does.

01:21:53 Speaker_06
Well, he puts himself, he's got that crazy style, man. That style, that snake-like style that he has. And he just kind of holds, yeah, he holds his hands right here and just like pop pop.

01:22:03 Speaker_06
You've seen him sparring right you've seen some of those videos of his farm like really good boxers, man He's staying in the pocket with him too, and that style is hard to handle because it's so weird They're used to everything like that one boxer that he was Training with is like I don't know if he's professional he's but he's a big heavyweight very skillful, but everything was like real traditional right and then you see Prayers moving at you like a Cobra like it's so hard to figure out what the fuck.

01:22:26 Speaker_06
He's doing and you're lucky. He's not kicking you You know he's just punching this dude

01:22:31 Speaker_02
But hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands. If he lands.

01:22:35 Speaker_06
Everybody goes night-night.

01:22:36 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure.

01:22:37 Speaker_06
Everybody goes night-night. That guy's fast as fuck. I know. And he fights angry. How old is Pereira? They're both about the same age, I believe.

01:22:47 Speaker_01
34, maybe?

01:22:48 Speaker_06
How old is Khalil? I think Pereira's 35, and I think Khalil is probably in that same range. Alex is 37.

01:22:56 Speaker_02
Alex is 37? Wow.

01:22:57 Speaker_06
How old's Khalil?

01:23:01 Speaker_01
I had no idea he was that old. I thought he was like 34. And fighting well.

01:23:06 Speaker_06
It's 37 Amazon warrior years.

01:23:09 Speaker_01
When was your last fight? And you don't have a lot of damage. I'm 36 on mine. Khalil's 34. Speaking of superheroes.

01:23:16 Speaker_06
He has some damage though. Some kickboxing fights. He got stopped.

01:23:20 Speaker_01
Yeah, that's true.

01:23:21 Speaker_06
And, you know, the one with, uh, the bad one with Izzy, that was a bad one. That was a bad KO. And that's a weight-drained KO, you know? Yeah, definitely. KO at 85. I mean, just Izzy caught him with that perfect right hand.

01:23:35 Speaker_01
Well, it is, too, because when guys, guys that fight like, like Roy Jones, amazing, but an amazing athlete. He was so much faster than everybody he fought with. He could keep his hands down and still never get hit.

01:23:49 Speaker_01
when he started to slow down, everybody knocked him out. That's why I asked how old Prerer was, because I'm like, maybe when he slows a bit, and the hands are down, that's when that button starts to get pushed.

01:24:01 Speaker_06
I think, this is my opinion, with Roy, what happened was, he went up and he fought John Ruiz. And then he went down and he fought Tarleton.

01:24:09 Speaker_01
I don't think he was the same after that.

01:24:12 Speaker_06
And I don't know, but I would imagine if you want to get really big, there's not a lot of ways to get really big. How do you go from 168 to 200 pounds? How do you do that? Well, you lift some weights.

01:24:22 Speaker_01
Get a little help.

01:24:24 Speaker_06
You got some friends. So then you have to get off of that, and then you have to drop 25 pounds from your body. So your body's fully acclimated to this new frame. That's a hard cut.

01:24:37 Speaker_06
If you look at the way he looked pre-Tarver fight, if you go back and watch him fight like James Toney when he was in his prime, you watch him fight some of the better fights of his career, like the Vinny Pazienza fight where he didn't get hit with one punch the entire round.

01:24:51 Speaker_06
I've watched that fight, but he was also shredded.

01:24:55 Speaker_06
Yeah, he was shredded and he looked like hard like he had the most he's a rock defined bicep Twice as big yeah, right so but when you see him after the tarpa fight he was way more smooth I think that cut was hard man.

01:25:11 Speaker_06
I think that cut was hard, and then he probably got off whatever he got on for sure not working right, and if you don't have a good doctor, and you're trying to do this with gym bros right and

01:25:21 Speaker_03
Next thing you know, you're in those shitty Matrix sequels. Didn't have any HTG and all of a sudden... Remember the Glenn Johnson one?

01:25:27 Speaker_06
Remember the Glenn Johnson game? Man, I felt bad for him after that.

01:25:30 Speaker_02
He was getting knocked out by everything.

01:25:31 Speaker_06
That was a bad one. And that was off the Tarver fight, right? And so you see, like, all of a sudden this dude just can't take a shot anymore. And Glenn Johnson, who was one of those unheralded, dangerous dudes that could really kind of beat anybody.

01:25:43 Speaker_06
That crazy clamshell style.

01:25:45 Speaker_02
Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia?

01:25:50 Speaker_06
I don't know. Kyle Zaggy didn't knock him out, right?

01:25:53 Speaker_02
He shut him out, though. He shut him out.

01:25:55 Speaker_06
Kyle Zaggy was tough. Kyle Zaggy would just throw volume at him.

01:25:58 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure. He Roy Jones'd Roy Jones.

01:26:01 Speaker_06
He was in his face like, Yeah, if you fought the Roy Jones that that James Tony had a fight then yeah, that's it.

01:26:12 Speaker_01
That's not One of the purest power punchers was Julian Jackson. Oh my god.

01:26:17 Speaker_02
Yes the Hulk oh Oh my god, you know Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him. Really? Yeah, they're like really good friends. That guy was a savage. That guy had power, power. Play that.

01:26:30 Speaker_06
Play the Terry Norris fight. Julian Jackson, Terry Norris.

01:26:33 Speaker_00
Plus the Danny Green in Australia.

01:26:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, Danny Green. Danny Green, yeah. Yo, dude, I'm gonna use the head real quick. Go, go, go.

01:26:37 Speaker_05
You know what to say.

01:26:39 Speaker_03
You know my ass.

01:26:47 Speaker_05
Julian Jackson, Terry Norris.

01:26:49 Speaker_01
Dude, you just do Julian Jackson highlights. This one's terrifying. This one's terrifying. Well, Terry Norris, that poor guy. Yeah, he's in real rough shape now.

01:26:57 Speaker_02
I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson.

01:27:01 Speaker_01
No. No one. Short punches, too. Just black. That was tough. I used to love him.

01:27:06 Speaker_06
Yeah. Orlin Norris, he's good, too. Oh, yeah, his brother was a heavyweight, and he was 47. I remember. 47 and 54, right? But watch this Julian Jackson KO. It's so crazy because it's like he just shuts him off.

01:27:22 Speaker_01
He hit- And Terry Norris was a killer.

01:27:24 Speaker_06
Oh, this is a prime Terry Norris. This is a prime Terry Norris. This is a dangerous Terry Norris here. But he just catches him. Watch this. Bing! Okay, so that was the first one.

01:27:36 Speaker_06
So you heard him with that left hand, but he catches him with the right hand and just freezes him.

01:27:41 Speaker_02
Oh my god. I'm gonna get my hair cut like his.

01:27:46 Speaker_06
He's just a pure one-punch fighter. Yeah, this guy was. Some guys just like to hit him.

01:27:50 Speaker_02
Look at him stalking.

01:27:51 Speaker_06
He's waiting to hit you with it. I would be terrified if that guy was stalking me like that. It's just he knows. All he has to do is get you once. And every time he hits you, you know it too, because you're like, oh shit, this is fucking terrifying.

01:28:07 Speaker_06
So he's already softened him up and there it is. Oh man, he took two more he didn't need to. He took two more, he was out on his feet, bro, and those were wind-up ones. The last two he took were wind-up ones.

01:28:19 Speaker_01
I felt so bad for him because he got slept so fast in those fights. No, Gerald McClellan was a 75 pounder. Oh, they fought twice.

01:28:36 Speaker_06
Gerald McClellan fought Terry Norris? Julian Jackson. Oh, that's right. But that's when Julian went up, right? So was Julian a middleweight at this time? I believe so.

01:28:47 Speaker_06
The crazy thing is like, I didn't know that Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson were at the same weight class.

01:28:54 Speaker_01
Yeah, they wound up fighting twice. I was at one of the fights.

01:28:57 Speaker_06
McClellan though was like 175 though, right? At the MGM. McClellan was so dangerous, man.

01:29:04 Speaker_01
My first live boxing card I ever went to was in Vegas at the MGM. And it was all rematches. It was Jesse James Leija and Azuma Nelson. It was, I think it was Simon Brown and Vincent Petway. It was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan.

01:29:21 Speaker_01
And it was Julio Cesar Chavez and Frankie Randall. God, what weight is this at? What weight is this at?

01:29:27 Speaker_06
Because I know they were trying to set up middleweight. Crazy. So that's before, well they were talking about a Roy Jones Jr. fight, and I think he was really struggling to make weight.

01:29:42 Speaker_01
He was really struggling to make weight. Gerald took his belt and then they rematched and he slept him.

01:29:47 Speaker_06
And so the Nigel Benn fight, that was middleweight as well.

01:29:52 Speaker_01
That was the one that ended his career. Joe McClellan. I mean, in my opinion, there was a lot of rabbit punching and he wound up having a blood clot in the back of his head after that fight.

01:30:01 Speaker_06
Well, there was also a nasty headbutt in that fight, too. But it's also Nigel Benn came back from that first round, which, oh, look at that KO.

01:30:09 Speaker_01
Oh, my goodness. And in the rematch, he sleeps him fast. Oh, my goodness. What is going on with his hair? That's what they did back then. What is that? Hit and play. High top fade.

01:30:19 Speaker_06
Yeah, but I mean it's like that and the little, his thighs, you need them cut. Oh my god, Gerald McClellan just coming after you for the kill. Terrifying. That's it. Are they going to let him count?

01:30:29 Speaker_01
He just had his number, man. Beat him both times and fought. Well, he was one of the scariest punchers of all time. Yeah, both of them.

01:30:36 Speaker_06
But he's another guy who tried to empty the gas tank with Nigel Benn that first round, and Benn survived, and then he winds up having that brain bleed. That's that's one of the scariest ones ever man because is this the rematch?

01:30:49 Speaker_06
Okay, let's watch this execution. I remember this. I was at this one This was in Vegas. Yeah MGM Well, once General McClellan knew that he could put it on you, it's like, his power was just so nuts for that weight class.

01:31:06 Speaker_06
But I always wanted to know, like, what does he really weigh? He's like one of those Benavidez guys. Like, when you get in there, what do you really weigh? Because he really struggled with the weight cut. And that's one—oh my god, right away.

01:31:19 Speaker_01
Oh man, that's what I say. He gets them early and misses them.

01:31:21 Speaker_06
Oh my god, just teeing off, dude. Teeing off. That shot to the body.

01:31:27 Speaker_02
My goodness. He can't even look up. He's not even giving him a chance to get off.

01:31:31 Speaker_06
Just getting executed. Every shot's got murder on it. Oh, that left to the body.

01:31:39 Speaker_01
Oh my goodness.

01:31:41 Speaker_06
The power in these fucking punches, man. Just overwhelming. Yeah. Liver shot. They're giving him a standing eight. Isn't that crazy? Standing eight count is kind of nuts. The dumbest rule ever. It's kind of nuts.

01:31:52 Speaker_06
You're concussed, so let me give you eight seconds to clear your head and get concussed more. MMA is the way to do it. It really is.

01:31:57 Speaker_02
Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts? Mm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day.

01:32:01 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah. What do you think about red cards or yellow cards? I think they should bring them back.

01:32:08 Speaker_02
What would you bring them back for? Stalling? Stalling. Yeah. That's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for is stalling. Like hanging out too long. Like, hey man, get to work.

01:32:18 Speaker_03
I used to like when there was a submission in like Pride and the referee would be like, what would he say? Short! What would he say?

01:32:27 Speaker_06
Short! Catch! Catch! Yeah, when someone caught something. Yeah.

01:32:32 Speaker_01
What do you guys think of Ortega and Lopez? I think Lopez is going to get them.

01:32:40 Speaker_06
I'm on that side. Lopez went through a rollercoaster ride in his last fight. Imagine that. You've got three different opponents. You've got three different weight classes. Everything's changing.

01:32:50 Speaker_06
Well, you've got two different opponents, but a bunch of different weight classes. And then Ortega can't make it. And so Ortega steps out, and then he winds up fighting Dan Ige, 50k Ige, on like 40 minutes notice.

01:33:05 Speaker_01
Dan's just chilling at his house, he might have trained that though.

01:33:08 Speaker_01
Something I didn't know about that, but I was watching, DC was actually talking about this, and he said that Ige had been training for 5 or 6 weeks, obviously he took the fight on like a 2 hour call.

01:33:20 Speaker_01
They said Lopez had only been training for three weeks. He actually had shorter notice. He got tired in the fight and everybody's thinking he's got a bad gas tank. Well he had to cut weight too though.

01:33:33 Speaker_06
He cut weight to 45.

01:33:34 Speaker_01
So he had three weeks of training, weight up and down everywhere. And they fought at 60. And he was able to pull it out. Didn't they fight at 60? Yeah, because it was same day weigh-in.

01:33:44 Speaker_02
Which is crazy. Which is really like, no one should be cutting weight kids. Right, at this point, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up.

01:33:52 Speaker_06
I think what they really should do is just find out what you fucking actually weigh and just stop this nonsense. It should be looked at the same way steroids are looked at. It should be looked at the same way all other kind of cheating is looked at.

01:34:06 Speaker_06
It's sanctioned cheating. It is.

01:34:07 Speaker_02
You're not really 155 pounds. I agree with you.

01:34:10 Speaker_01
Just whatever you weigh, just

01:34:12 Speaker_06
Fight there. Exactly. And more options for weight classes.

01:34:15 Speaker_01
Do you think same-day weigh-ins would change it? But it would get more guys hurt. I mean, they say that because of the dehydration and stuff.

01:34:21 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean, this is the reason why McClellan... One of the things they say about head injuries and death in boxing, the vast majority of them don't take place in heavyweight.

01:34:31 Speaker_06
So the guys who hit the hardest are not the guys who are getting these, like, horrible brain injuries where they get dead inside the ring. Makes sense, because they're not cutting weight. They're not cutting weight.

01:34:41 Speaker_06
And the guys who die a lot, like the Duk-Koo Kims. If you look at the guys who die, a lot of them are cutting... Boom-Boom was never the same after that. How could you be? He killed a guy.

01:34:49 Speaker_06
A lot of those guys that are dying are dying in the weight classes where they cut a lot of weight.

01:34:53 Speaker_02
Well, I mean, you're right, so like Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend.

01:34:58 Speaker_06
There ain't no way Sean Brady's 170 pounds in 20 minutes.

01:35:00 Speaker_02
That's what I'm saying. Just let them fight at 190, right? These guys are 190 pounders. They walk into the cage at 190. They should just be fighting at 190. They should be fighting at 190, and this way they both agree to it.

01:35:07 Speaker_02
You can't get any heavier than 194, whatever.

01:35:20 Speaker_06
But we know what you weigh. Let's just make a fight. Yeah, fuck all this weight cutting. It's just cheating.

01:35:26 Speaker_06
And also, the fucking drama of seeing if a guy dehydrated himself enough 24 hours before a cage fight is somehow or another interesting to people, where Daniel Cormier's pushing down on that towel, remember that shit?

01:35:38 Speaker_01
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:39 Speaker_06
Remember DC?

01:35:41 Speaker_01
It ain't cheating if you don't get caught.

01:35:43 Speaker_06
It's ridiculous. John Jones and Daniel Cormier were both fucking killers. Let them eat. Let them hydrate themselves. Fuck all this weighing in. You know what you weigh. Figure out what you weigh when you make the contract.

01:35:54 Speaker_06
Yeah, and then just leave it alone.

01:35:56 Speaker_02
That's what it is, for sure.

01:35:57 Speaker_06
That's your way, and be loose about it. If a guy's a pound over, a pound under, who gives a fuck?

01:36:02 Speaker_02
But don't dehydrate yourself. But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi?

01:36:07 Speaker_02
Well, I mean he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo so he went up to 170 and they're like a couple days like a week before they're like no you got to go back down to 135 Cade Rotolo's out so they're go and he's the champion and they treated him like this and they're like you got to go back down and cut 30 pounds he gets sick cutting 30 pounds well he almost died and then they took his belt

01:36:33 Speaker_03
That's fucked up.

01:36:34 Speaker_02
Wait a minute, they took his belt? Yes, they took his belt for missing weight. For missing weight. Wait a minute, really? Yes, that's what I'm saying. One totally fucked him. I didn't hear that.

01:36:45 Speaker_01
Yes, they took his belt. I mean, I saw an article about it.

01:36:47 Speaker_06
How can they take his belt when he's in the hospital for trying to do you a favor?

01:36:50 Speaker_01
Exactly. My point exactly. I was shocked because that's really not what they're supposed to be about.

01:36:55 Speaker_06
Not only that, how are you going to make this fucking guy fight after he almost- They had a statement? after he's cutting 30 pounds. How are you making him do that? He's cutting 30 pounds in three days. What's their statement? One speaks out.

01:37:09 Speaker_06
Okay, what do they say? After recent events, we feel it is necessary to provide additional context on Mikey Musumechi's withdrawal from the 168 Denver card. Sityao Tong and Musumechi, set up Musumechi.

01:37:20 Speaker_06
Mikey was obviously put in a difficult spot when Cade Rotolo withdrew due to injury when that happened. We worked closely with him and his team on a new opponent.

01:37:29 Speaker_06
Competing at flyweight was something that he personally requested as he felt confident that he could make the hydrated limit of 135 pounds for a world title defense.

01:37:38 Speaker_06
This is not something we pushed to him to do on short notice or would have ever demanded of a one athlete given how much we prioritize fighter safety.

01:37:47 Speaker_06
After Mikey failed weight and hydration tests on Thursday, he requested an opponent submission grappling contest against Berberto Olivera, and we continue to work with him to try to keep him on the card. Sidi Antan continued on Musumeci.

01:38:02 Speaker_06
He ultimately felt it was his best interest to withdraw from the contest, and we are honoring that. But this writing is uncertain when Musumeci will return to one, or who will compete for the now-vacant belt.

01:38:15 Speaker_06
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01:38:24 Speaker_06
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01:38:29 Speaker_06
Oh Jesus How do you fucking strip a guy when he winds up in the hospital like they didn't fight Right exactly that doesn't make any sense like imagine if Alex is fighting Khalil roundtree and in making weight He winds up in the hospital and the fights canceled.

01:38:45 Speaker_06
He doesn't lose his belt boy in this organization. It does That's great.

01:38:49 Speaker_02
That's what I'm saying. That's crazy see another reason why weight cutting should be

01:38:54 Speaker_06
It's not a lot of sense. It's nonsense. It's terrible Yeah, but you know what man, I think it's a part of the culture that can be eradicated I don't think it's impossible to eradicate it.

01:39:05 Speaker_06
That's like saying all they can always do steroids Well, you saw it came along and they fixed that right, you know and now drug-free sport. They fixed it It's like most of these athletes are pretty clean.

01:39:16 Speaker_06
It might be a few instances Perhaps a trip to a foreign land

01:39:23 Speaker_06
You're right for the most part it is most part because we've seen like Deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up the uber EAM era was the best era It was just it was an IQ test I was just looking at pictures of him today versus uber EAM and it's pretty crazy Now he's like he's on a vegan diet and he's all spiritual really I

01:39:47 Speaker_06
Yeah, Alistair's like real thin now.

01:39:49 Speaker_01
What is it? He's maybe, what, 200 pounds?

01:39:51 Speaker_06
Yeah, he's thinner than he was when he was fighting. That's a weird picture. It's hard to tell from that picture. That's the best one I could find. He looked bigger than the other ones.

01:39:58 Speaker_01
Well, he's still a big fucking guy. They have like side-by-sides of him then and now.

01:40:03 Speaker_06
It's hard to tell in that picture. He's always going to be a big guy. He's a massive man, but when he fought Brock Lesnar, he was just a freak of science. He was the freakiest of all freaks.

01:40:16 Speaker_06
If you just let that dude juice it up like that, that guy back in the day, he was the most dangerous because those kickboxing skills were top notch.

01:40:24 Speaker_02
How about Vitor when he was on? I feel like Usada robbed us of the real Uberium.

01:40:35 Speaker_06
Like if Uberium could have stayed Uber. Could have stayed Uber and just continued at 265 when he fought Brock. Baby, baby, baby.

01:40:43 Speaker_02
He'd still be champ.

01:40:44 Speaker_06
Bro, them kickboxing skills, his kickboxing skills were super legit. I think I was a K-1 Grand Prix champion. Super legit kickboxing skills.

01:40:54 Speaker_02
And he wasn't a bad grappler, neither. He had a good guillotine. He was a good grappler.

01:40:57 Speaker_06
He won the Abu Dhabi Trials in Europe. Now he's legit. And man, that fucking kickboxing though. It's funny how you look back on those days, especially the juicy days, and you wonder,

01:41:16 Speaker_06
What would the world look like now if we were under the same sort of protocols that they were under then? Forget about the TRT days, because everybody lost their fucking mind. That was crazy. You're allowing guys to juice up.

01:41:27 Speaker_02
That was crazy.

01:41:28 Speaker_06
But when there was just tests at the weigh-ins, that's a different thing, man. That's a different thing, just testing at the weigh-ins. No randoms?

01:41:38 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:41:40 Speaker_06
That's for sure. IVs are fine? Oh, they are? That's the old days, man.

01:41:46 Speaker_01
That is true. It is rough to get hydrated back up, though, without this many things. Yeah, I don't, like, what was the explanation for that? Like, doing away with them? Masking. Masking. People could use that to do something.

01:41:55 Speaker_06
Oh, they use it to mask. All right. Yeah, apparently there's some ways that you can mask. You just over-flood your system with fluids, and it cleans out all the traces of whatever metabolites would be in there.

01:42:04 Speaker_06
I guess, you know, there's probably a window where it would get back in your urine.

01:42:08 Speaker_01
It's hard to get hydrated back up, man. Yeah, that was kind of my point, because it kind of takes away from safety, but I guess...

01:42:14 Speaker_06
Bro, they shouldn't be doing that. They shouldn't be dehydrating themselves.

01:42:17 Speaker_01
That's the point, right? If you have to have that.

01:42:19 Speaker_06
But they are. I know, but it seems like, you know, I actually said this to the guys that bought the UFC when I was talking to Ari about it. I was like, dude, this is the first thing you should do. Figure out a way to get rid of the weight glasses.

01:42:31 Speaker_06
They are like whoever this is a champion in that keep them as champion let them defend the belt at what they actually weigh You got a bait this weight cuttings the most the thing is gonna fuck us more than anything It's just somebody gets really badly hurt because they had a really bad weight cut like you know guys have kidney failure for sure died You lose all the water around your brain.

01:42:50 Speaker_01
I'm gonna wait and try wait limit I mean, weight classes, you think?

01:42:54 Speaker_06
More weight classes.

01:42:55 Speaker_01
You need a weight class.

01:42:56 Speaker_06
I think you need one every 10 pounds. But I think we should be a little bit looser on what a person weighs. I think you should make a contractual obligation to fight each other. You find out what a person weighs. His natural weight is 175.

01:43:12 Speaker_06
Do you want to fight him? Your natural weight is 169. You agreed that you can't get any higher than 176. Are you cool with that? Yeah, okay.

01:43:19 Speaker_00
I'm cool with that.

01:43:20 Speaker_06
It's like total you don't have to think at all about cutting weight at all And so the day before the fight instead of almost dying you're filling yourself up with carbs and nutrients You're relaxing. You're gonna have a better performance.

01:43:32 Speaker_06
It's better for the sport. It's better for the health of the athletes It's more representation of what a real 155 pound guy looks like because you see those guys and they get in there and they're 180 like trickus and

01:43:43 Speaker_06
Yeah, that is not an 185-pound man. He's fucking massive.

01:43:47 Speaker_01
Maybe they need to weigh in the day they're signing the contract to see where both of them are. That way no shenanigans has gone on either.

01:43:54 Speaker_06
They need to hydrate you too. Dudes will fuck around with that. So if we have a hydration thing, like say, if you're going to compete, you need to be in shape in your fighting weight, and then we're going to weigh you in.

01:44:09 Speaker_06
And we're going to check your water levels, we're going to check your hydration. Okay, this is what you actually weigh. You weigh 182 pounds in your prime, ready to go, okay? So this is what you guys are contractually obligated to stay in this range.

01:44:22 Speaker_06
So you can't get any higher than 183 or 184. You just give them like a two pound, I have to take a shit.

01:44:28 Speaker_03
No one's going to be saying their real weight to begin with.

01:44:31 Speaker_06
But they won't be able to stop them if they fucking hydrate test them. So if they show up, you say to a guy, look, we're going to show up, we're going to test you at the weight that you're going to fight at.

01:44:42 Speaker_06
So you can't get any higher than this, and we're gonna make sure that you're not dehydrated.

01:44:46 Speaker_06
So we're gonna check you to make sure that you're not fucking around, like pretending that you're 182 pounds, you're really 200, and you dehydrate yourself for the last four hours. Let's find out what you really weigh.

01:44:57 Speaker_01
What they do in Maryland for high school wrestling, before the season the kids have to get the electric body composition, and it sees what they weigh, it sees where their body fat percentage is, and it says you can't go no lower than this.

01:45:13 Speaker_01
So they basically dictate to them.

01:45:14 Speaker_06
They should do a little bit more. They should do blood. They should do blood hydration levels, they should check your urine. I think that would cost a lot for the school system to do it. The UFC do it.

01:45:24 Speaker_01
I'm not saying schools. I'm not saying schools.

01:45:27 Speaker_06
What the school system is doing is great. I mean, for the UFC. They just need to be sure. Don't let anybody fuck around like, hey, you showed up at 196. You still want to take the fight? Like, what the fuck? It's 182. What are we doing?

01:45:37 Speaker_02
Why is he 196? The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this. No other organization would have the ability to do that. That's what I'm saying. That's the problem is it. And the UFC obviously could do it like at the P.I.

01:45:50 Speaker_02
Like every year this is what we do. But no other or like regional level organizations would be able to do it. So it'd be a little tougher.

01:45:56 Speaker_01
I heard doesn't California do some kind like Andy Foster do some kind of hydration testing there for athletes.

01:46:02 Speaker_06
I think he has a limit on how much you can gain. I think he has a percentage.

01:46:07 Speaker_02
North Carolina does that too.

01:46:09 Speaker_06
But then you're just making sure the guy's dehydrated because guys are knuckleheads. They're going to dehydrate themselves anyway to have that size advantage.

01:46:15 Speaker_06
Especially a guy like McClellan who thinks he's going to take you out in the first round anyway. And they're size bullies. You should find out what you fucking really weigh and fight at what you really weigh at.

01:46:24 Speaker_06
It shouldn't be the ultimate weight cutting championship.

01:46:26 Speaker_01
Better for your chin not to be dehydrated.

01:46:28 Speaker_06
Better for everything, better for the longevity, better for the health of your physical body that is literally your weapon of war. Performance, for sure. Yes, for everything, recovery, performance, there'd be better fights.

01:46:39 Speaker_01
I like the PI, that's a good... Yeah, the PI can do it.

01:46:44 Speaker_06
Look, it can be done, because if it wasn't, and then all of a sudden people started doing it, it would be something people would call out.

01:46:49 Speaker_06
If nobody ever cut weight, and then all of a sudden everybody started cutting weight, everybody would go, what the fuck is this shit? You're not 170 pounds, this is a lie. Right, how are you the 170 pound champion when you weigh 200 pounds?

01:47:00 Speaker_01
That's crazy. My wife hates that. She's crazy That's her biggest peeve when MMA is weight cutting.

01:47:04 Speaker_06
She's like that's not even fair, you know Well, it is fair because you're both doing it, but it's not right.

01:47:09 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's tweeners though stupid bad for everybody 155 was brutal for me to make and but 165 that would've been great for me. That's what I'm saying 170. I was I was small for one second

01:47:21 Speaker_06
So all you need is 10 pounds, every 10 pounds. We go 170 goes to 175, 85, 95, 205, maybe 225. That's what I say. And then it's super heavy. As big as the fucking guy is. Because I don't like this 265 bullshit either.

01:47:36 Speaker_06
Ronald, when was the last time you weighed 265? Actually, right now. So you'd have to lose a fuckload of weight you'd have to lose 40 fucking pounds, that's crazy That's crazy. That's so hard to do like when you got a guy like in Ghana.

01:47:59 Speaker_06
There's a natural 265 which is nuts like he falls right there like right in the hot zone like a natural shredded 265 But that's what he really weighs. And it's obvious. You can see it. He's not cutting weight.

01:48:15 Speaker_03
That's his actual weight. What's the weight? Do they have the same shit in Bellator or PFL?

01:48:20 Speaker_06
I don't think they have a super heavyweight. I don't think anybody has an active super heavyweight division in MMA that I'm aware of. No big organization. I don't think PFL has it.

01:48:30 Speaker_01
Japan really was the only place to put on the crazy freak shows. They didn't give a fuck, dude. Let a 180-pound guy fight a gorilla.

01:48:40 Speaker_06
They had Gabby Garcia fight Housewives.

01:48:42 Speaker_01
Get in there ladies. Genki Sudo took on all kinds of giants. Genki fought Butterbean. And beat him!

01:48:55 Speaker_06
Bro, Butterbean can crack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that time when he had a boxing match against some football player? Somebody let some poor football player have a boxing match with Butterbean.

01:49:06 Speaker_06
It might have been a celebrity boxing match, and Butterbean knocked him into another dimension.

01:49:11 Speaker_01
He's a tough man. Bro, he could punch. What did they used to call him? The king of the four rounders? Yeah, yeah.

01:49:16 Speaker_06
Because he's so big, he ain't going to distance. 450 fucking pounds.

01:49:19 Speaker_01
All his fights would be four rounds, so he could go out there and windmill.

01:49:23 Speaker_06
What a goddamn nightmare that guy was. You couldn't hit anything on him.

01:49:29 Speaker_01
He was doing horribly.

01:49:30 Speaker_06
He had 150 sweaters on.

01:49:32 Speaker_03
You're not going to hurt him. 150 sweaters. That other guy looks natural.

01:49:38 Speaker_01
This has got to be Japan. Who is that other guy? Who is he fighting there, Jimmy? He's leg-kicking this guy.

01:49:48 Speaker_06
Royster. Oh, so this is a kickboxing match. Yeah, it's not When I was at my heaviest I kind of look like Oh, well, it might have been it might be a football player trained MMA Marcus Royster. Oh nice knee to the body. He's big.

01:50:04 Speaker_06
He's big enough But see if you could find there was a boxing match that he had against some some football player dude, dude poor Butterbean that guy was

01:50:15 Speaker_01
Couldn't walk, couldn't anything. What, now he's fucked up?

01:50:17 Speaker_06
Oh, celebrity boxing, that's probably it. Yeah, he's messed up.

01:50:21 Speaker_01
Diamond Dallas Page brought it, like, really did another rehab on him. Another one of those things on him? He brought him back, man. Really? Shout out to DDP, such a positive guy. Yeah. Like, put him up in the house, feeding him all that, you know?

01:50:33 Speaker_01
He's feeding Butterbean? He's such a good person. Dude, you should, like, it's something to see. Like, he really brought him back. Butterbean couldn't even walk. Butterbean versus Big Roid Fighter. That's the dude. I guess that's what we just watched.

01:50:44 Speaker_06
This poor dude this poor dude got shot into another dimension Oh, he looks like he looks like he's getting shot and deserves it for that fucking stay This is one of them guys that you know somebody should have told them Like this is a bad idea Eventually this fucking crazy-looking dude is gonna catch you one of these meat bombs gonna hit you right in your porn stash.

01:51:09 Speaker_04
Yeah, right

01:51:11 Speaker_06
The thing about winning with a pornstache, you know, but you get KO'd with a pornstache on, people, they don't feel sympathetic to you. They should, you stupid ass with that mustache. See if you can find out where this ends.

01:51:23 Speaker_04
Yeah, Butterbean.

01:51:24 Speaker_01
Right. Come on, this is a highlight, whoever, this is a clickbait on us.

01:51:32 Speaker_06
Oh, so does he stop him here? Maybe this is a different guy.

01:51:35 Speaker_04
Is this the one that goes the distance? Yeah, this might be the wrong one. This guy played football a lot. The guy that I saw him... Oh! Oh, there it is. Oh, man.

01:51:43 Speaker_06
That was pretty good. Yeah. He could punch, dude. He could punch. It was just crazy to watch a guy who was only willing to fight four rounds. King of the four rounders.

01:51:53 Speaker_03
It was awesome.

01:51:55 Speaker_06
This is a place for everything right like like the bare-knuckle thing like we were talking about Mike Perry before Yeah, I started doing this that that's the perfect spot for that dude.

01:52:07 Speaker_06
He should have told Jake Paul listen We need to fight, but let's do bare-knuckle.

01:52:11 Speaker_01
Yeah, let's go. I'll do this you do that.

01:52:14 Speaker_06
You know it's a different thing man It's a different thing with that guy

01:52:17 Speaker_02
Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths.

01:52:19 Speaker_06
But you know, you gotta take that payday. I mean, what did he make out of that fight? He probably made 10 million bucks or something.

01:52:24 Speaker_03
And Jay Paul's very smart, man. He gets guys that he's bigger than. The only time he fought another boxer his size was Tom Fury and he lost. Tom Fury? Good fight. Tommy Fury.

01:52:35 Speaker_06
Very good fight. Very good fight. You know, I think he's like any other young up-and-coming boxer. It's just everybody dismisses him because he's a YouTuber.

01:52:43 Speaker_02
For sure. It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid. I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man.

01:52:58 Speaker_02
I was heartbroken. Bro, he has power. He has real power. And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing. I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen.

01:53:06 Speaker_06
I really hope he doesn't knock Mike Tyson out. To me, I'd just be real bummed out to see Mike get KO'd at 58 years old.

01:53:14 Speaker_02
Like, what other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?

01:53:19 Speaker_06
You know what I'm saying? Like, why are we letting this happen? It's kind of crazy.

01:53:23 Speaker_03
But he's made for it, man. He's made for it. Mike is? Yeah, I mean, he is.

01:53:27 Speaker_01
Dude, he's perfectly capable of knocking him out.

01:53:29 Speaker_06
He is perfectly capable. He zigs when he should have zagged. Mike can close the distance in a way that he doesn't expect. And Mike also has layers upon layers of attacks that are in his mind.

01:53:43 Speaker_06
He's forgotten more about boxing than Jake Paul has ever remembered.

01:53:47 Speaker_01
It's just how quickly can it happen, because how much gas is a guy like that going to have?

01:53:52 Speaker_06
Also, how does he feel now? He might have been excited when he said he wanted to do it, but how does he feel now? You've got months and months and months of this. I just want to see something other than his mitts. Is this wearing on him?

01:54:03 Speaker_06
Does he wish he didn't say yes to it? How's his health? How's his back? How's his knees?

01:54:07 Speaker_01
He seems to be having fun when he's promoting it.

01:54:11 Speaker_06
It's probably on mushroom spray.

01:54:14 Speaker_03
And it's also risk versus reward. Like, if he loses, he's also almost 60. If he wins, fuck, man, that's another great... Imagine he knocks him out?

01:54:24 Speaker_06
He's a monster. Look, at the end of the day, Mike Tyson's a monster, and if he can get that monster to just move in and close the distance, and if he uncorks a boom-boom on Jake Paul and watch Jake Paul go into Queer Street, that will be wild.

01:54:37 Speaker_06
To watch a 58-year-old Mike Tyson, that'd be best-case scenario for the world. Someone gets hurt.

01:54:45 Speaker_06
Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out Yeah, best case scenario is Jake Paul realizes immediately He's in there with Mike Tyson that Mike Tyson at least for a round or two first time he gets cracked It's gonna I guarantee it his head's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see what happens.

01:55:01 Speaker_06
How many rounds is it? I think it's eight. Yeah eight two-minute rounds That are two minutes? Yeah, I think they're doing two-minute rounds. Do they have 10-ounce gloves or 12-ounce gloves, Jeremy? It's a lot better the two-minute rounds.

01:55:12 Speaker_06
I think they're making them have slightly bigger gloves. 14 ounces. 14 ounces. That's sparring gloves. And it's not sanctioned, right? It can't be sanctioned. It's sanctioned. It's sanctioned?

01:55:21 Speaker_02
How do you sanction that?

01:55:23 Speaker_06
Texas. Yeehaw. Same place you can own a giraffe. That's funny. My wife was driving home one day, she saw a zebra. Same place has more tigers than anybody. She goes, there's a zebra loose. I go, welcome to Texas, baby. A zebra?

01:55:36 Speaker_06
Yeah, you can have a zebra here. Some dude's zebra got out.

01:55:40 Speaker_01
They got a few tigers here, right?

01:55:43 Speaker_06
You can't smoke a joint. There's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than in all of the wild of earth.

01:55:50 Speaker_03
How is that true? Yes, that's true. Do we hear about tigers getting loose in people's yards here?

01:55:55 Speaker_06
Because they fence them in, bro. That's it? So how big are these tigers? They're tiger tigers.

01:56:01 Speaker_03
Real tigers.

01:56:02 Speaker_06
Real tigers. There's thousands of tigers in private collections in Texas. Really? Bro, this is a crazy place. It's a crazy place. It's so tight with the weed. Yeah, but you can't smoke weed here. They gotta bail on that.

01:56:17 Speaker_06
They're also tight with fentanyl tests, which is even crazier. Escaped tiger that had Texas communities on edge finally caught. Oh yeah, that was around Houston. Bengal tiger was on loose for nearly a week. Jesus. What was it eating? That's Houston.

01:56:33 Speaker_06
See, you got all that oil money down there in Houston, and that's where dudes have their own tigers.

01:56:37 Speaker_03
That's what I like about New York. You just got to worry about some raccoons and shit.

01:56:41 Speaker_06
There's a guy in New York that had a fucking tiger in his house in Harlem. What? Yeah, there's a photograph, a famous photograph of these cops. See if you can find that photo, Jamie.

01:56:49 Speaker_06
The cops are looking through the, right there, looking through the window. This guy had a tiger in his fucking apartment. Oh my God.

01:56:56 Speaker_04
Look at that. Look at that thing.

01:56:57 Speaker_06
Bro, how insane is that photo? Was the guy in there, was he eating? I don't think the guy got killed. I think they just found out the guy had a tiger in there and they had to go in and dart him.

01:57:07 Speaker_06
And then they had to drag him out of there and take him to the zoo. Crazy. Yeah, the dude had a 450 pound cat in his fucking apartment. How do you clean up after that? Not well. Get a big litter box. First of all, that thing's going to piss everywhere.

01:57:19 Speaker_02
I know.

01:57:20 Speaker_06
They marked their territory by pissing on things.

01:57:22 Speaker_02
Think of the smell that that would have.

01:57:24 Speaker_06
I can't even. That guy was just tigered out. He was all in. Regular cat yearns bad enough. Imagine a tiger. Tigers just pissing on your walls. What are you going to do? Tell it don't do that? You hit it with a fucking newspaper? I'm gonna eat your arm.

01:57:40 Speaker_03
Whatever happened to the Tiger King? Is he in jail still that day? Yep, still in jail.

01:57:43 Speaker_06
I had the people who did the documentary on yesterday.

01:57:46 Speaker_03
That thing was crazy though, with that kid killing himself by accident. Crazy. First of all, you don't find more white trash than that. You know what?

01:57:54 Speaker_06
It's chimp crazy. Chimp crazy, they take it to the next level.

01:57:58 Speaker_03
Oh yeah, I'm not watching that.

01:57:59 Speaker_06
I am gonna watch that. Bro, it's nuts. It's nuts. It's fucking nutty, man. The people's desire to have these things that could kill them. It's so strange.

01:58:09 Speaker_03
I'll just watch the new Planet of the Apes movie. That king came out.

01:58:13 Speaker_06
Is that supposed to be good?

01:58:15 Speaker_03
Those aren't bad, though. From what I've seen, those aren't bad. How's that alien movie? Did you see that? The new one? No. I heard it's good. Really?

01:58:21 Speaker_06
Yeah, I heard it's real good. I heard it's scary as fuck. I heard it goes back to the first Alien, where they're hard to find and scary. After a while, they were everywhere, and you just shoot them. The first one, you couldn't even find that fucker.

01:58:34 Speaker_03
He was sneaking around. Could you kill him? He was different. Aliens. Acid blood. Yeah, he was so scary. Aliens was phenomenal.

01:58:39 Speaker_03
Aliens was such a great sequel to Alien, because it was a different take on it, and then the Space Marines, and fucking Newt, and fucking Hicks. Hicks was great. Hudson. Was good. Hudson was fucking great. Bill Paxson. Hell yeah.

01:58:55 Speaker_06
Totally different kind of movie right so you got Ridley Scott does the first alien suspense and you got this suspenseful terrifying thing and people start coming up missing and you know it's fucking hiding in the ceiling thinking Tom Everett's gonna be the hero right and then all sudden he gets taken out you like wait wait what

01:59:17 Speaker_03
Oh, it's gonna be Sigourney. She's the hero.

01:59:19 Speaker_06
She was the first male or female lead of a monster movie, action movie, where you didn't go, oh, they're pushing a woman on me. You believed it. You believed that this lady scientist got stuck in this fucking spaceship with a demon. Oh, this is great.

01:59:37 Speaker_06
Oh, that movie's so good.

01:59:38 Speaker_02
Aliens is so good.

01:59:39 Speaker_06
Aliens is good, but Alien is better. No. Because it's hard to kill. And aliens, they're shooting them left and right. They're all over the place. The people in Aliens, Alien 1 would have been done in five minutes. Like, oh, there it is. It's dead.

01:59:55 Speaker_06
But in this one, they kill so many of them until they get to the mother. And then when the mother doesn't kill her when she's wearing the robot suit, I'm like, shut the fuck up, bitch.

02:00:02 Speaker_03
But I like when she's like, get away from her, you bitch!

02:00:05 Speaker_01
In the first one, you really didn't know what was going on. In the second one, they were prepared for what they were coming up against.

02:00:12 Speaker_06
The thing is, there's too much exposed. I don't buy it. If she's in a robot thing where she's completely encased, OK. But she's just all out there with tissue, exposed. Get away from her, you bitch. This is a giant alien.

02:00:27 Speaker_06
How is that thing not gonna fu- it moves way quicker than people. How's that not gonna fuck you up instantaneously with your stupid ass slow robot?

02:00:34 Speaker_03
There's so many moments in that though that movie when they're like when they barricade themselves in the in the um in the in the one room and they're like they have the monitor and they're like they're through the wall

02:00:47 Speaker_03
That's inside the room, it can't be inside the room. All of a sudden they look up and you see Hicks, he pushes up the tile and you see them all crawling in the fucking, that was fucking money. What a great movie.

02:00:59 Speaker_06
It's a great movie. It's just a different kind of movie.

02:01:02 Speaker_01
You know, I was I was hoping they would have got more into like the engineers like when they did that Prometheus That they would have got into those people, but they really it wasn't much of the movie This was good.

02:01:13 Speaker_06
But the one after Prometheus was better. What was that one? Jamie was the last one with Kenny McBride in it, right? Yes It ended fucked up Covenant yeah, it wasn't Jussie Smollett in that one, too This one's good This is another no man. He's in there.

02:01:35 Speaker_06
He's in the spaceship. He's working the controls. This is This one's fucking good.

02:01:39 Speaker_01
This is this one's really good

02:01:45 Speaker_06
And again, the aliens in this one, they're hard to get a hold of.

02:01:48 Speaker_02
Is that Michael Fassbender? Yeah.

02:01:50 Speaker_06
Yes, yes. So these are the things that it gets in your ear. Little spores get inside you from that egg. It's a good one, man. This is a really good one. And when these dudes start shaking when it gets them.

02:02:04 Speaker_07
Mmm.

02:02:05 Speaker_06
It's fucking great. That's a good one. But I heard the new one is really good too. I think the new one's really Scott too as well, right?

02:02:11 Speaker_04
And he's doing a new- is he doing a new Gladiator? Really Scott? Did he do the new Gladiator with Denzel?

02:02:15 Speaker_03
I mean, I know- Oh yeah, I can't wait for that shit. I know it's coming out. I'm on the fence with that. What, it's a new Gladiator? What? I'm on the fence with it. Why? I don't know, man. How can you be on the fence with that? I don't know.

02:02:25 Speaker_03
I mean, when he looks like he's like, I don't know, is he talking like New York slang, Denzel and the fucking thing? No, man.

02:02:32 Speaker_06
Oh, did people said something about his accent, right? What is the accent that people have an issue with? That's what I think. Can we hear Denzel? Let's hear his accent.

02:02:39 Speaker_04
Let's hear what he said.

02:02:41 Speaker_05
Where were you born?

02:02:42 Speaker_02
I don't know. I never knew a mother nor a father.

02:02:46 Speaker_04
You will be my instrument. Who are you?

02:02:51 Speaker_06
Denzel, big. Sound like a regular dude.

02:02:53 Speaker_04
Yeah.

02:02:53 Speaker_06
But they want him to have a British accent? They always want people, when they're speaking another language and it's translated into English, they always want them to have a British accent.

02:03:00 Speaker_00
I know.

02:03:00 Speaker_06
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where it took place. It's Rome. Right? Isn't that weird? Everyone talks in a different way. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. It is kind of weird. This is in India.

02:03:11 Speaker_02
I mean, you know what I'm saying? No matter where it is, they want him to have a British accent.

02:03:14 Speaker_06
This is in Rome. This is in Italy. Why do they talk like this? But there's something about hearing regular, modern English in an old-timey movie, like, nah. Like, you don't buy it now. Yeah, you need an accent. Like Tyrion Lannister.

02:03:28 Speaker_05
All the people in Game of Thrones, they all had an English accent. Did they speak Latin with an Italian accent back then? That's a good question. I don't think they spoke Latin.

02:03:38 Speaker_06
I don't think these people were speaking Latin. Were they? In Rome? Yeah.

02:03:42 Speaker_01
They may have been.

02:03:43 Speaker_06
Were they speaking Italian or were they speaking Latin?

02:03:44 Speaker_00
They would have been speaking Latin.

02:03:46 Speaker_06
Okay, but here's the question, the reason why I ask this.

02:03:48 Speaker_06
When Martin Luther was translating the Bible in the 1500s or the 1400s, whenever that was, the reason why the Bible was, the priests would be the only one that could tell you the Word of God, because they're the only one that could read Latin.

02:04:02 Speaker_06
So no one spoke Latin, no one read Latin, they couldn't read it. So these people didn't know what was in the Bible until Martin Luther, he translated it into phonetic languages.

02:04:12 Speaker_06
I think German and a couple other languages it got eventually translated to. So then people could read the Bible for themselves. Whereas before it was just Latin. So when did Latin die off? When did they stop using Latin?

02:04:24 Speaker_06
Because Latin's a weird one, like you learn it in school but you're never gonna fucking use it. They spoke Latin and Greek Like when did Latin go? Isn't it crazy? So the Roman Empire they spoke a language that's dead. It's a dead language.

02:04:39 Speaker_00
It's just gone now? Gone. That's probably when people stopped speaking it, but priests probably still knew because of everything was written. Right. So there it is.

02:04:47 Speaker_06
After the fall of Rome in 476 AD, Latin began to die out and distinct local Latin dialects developed. Wow. So these dialects eventually evolved to modern romance languages like Italian and Spanish, which is crazy.

02:04:59 Speaker_06
That means those languages are only 500 fucking years old. That's nuts.

02:05:03 Speaker_02
But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent. Right. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course.

02:05:09 Speaker_06
But isn't it crazy that those languages, like Italian, is only like 500 years old? Who the fuck would have guessed that?

02:05:14 Speaker_01
And there's a lot of similarities between Spanish and Italian as well.

02:05:18 Speaker_06
Oh yeah. Texas is way bigger than all those places, which is nuts. When you look at America, it's basically like Europe, but we don't call it different countries. But Kentucky is so much different than Los Angeles.

02:05:32 Speaker_00
It should be 1,500 years old, not 500.

02:05:36 Speaker_06
Oh, that's right. Duh. Okay, so I'm sorry 1500 years still languages developing that you would think they were older than that Did you guys ever watch and I watched it more than once I watched it like at least a few times this the series roam?

02:05:56 Speaker_03
Yeah, I have I think it's only two seasons, but it's very good. They crammed it into two seasons.

02:06:05 Speaker_01
They said the budget was high.

02:06:06 Speaker_03
The budget was super high at the time, and it is a fucking great series. It is very good. Puleo, oh, they're badass. Oh, my God, what a great show. That guy's real.

02:06:18 Speaker_01
Such a great show. Who they based it on, they based it on a real dude. It holds up.

02:06:21 Speaker_04
I never heard anything about it.

02:06:23 Speaker_01
You should watch this. It's his name Ray Stephenson. I highly recommend it. I think he played the Punisher too. Ray Stephenson, he was Puleo in this. That's what put him on. And the other guy, Lucius, is phenomenal.

02:06:33 Speaker_01
I want to say that Lucius was, maybe they based that on a real guy.

02:06:39 Speaker_03
Listen it is it is so great and Even if going to YouTube and watch Lucius and Titus just being badass or Titus Puleo being badass. It's just oh my god Such a great series. No shit. That's amazing Just finish the Peaky Blinders

02:07:01 Speaker_03
Yeah, you go through this. This is only two seasons, and again, I revisit it a lot. Have you been to Rome? No, no. Me and my wife, she's waiting for my stomach to get better.

02:07:09 Speaker_03
I go, look, we might as well just fucking go and put a cork up my ass, because I'm not going to... Yeah, just go. Just go while you can. And I heard you can eat the food over there, and it's not as bad for you. Not near as way better.

02:07:19 Speaker_06
Well, we've got some weird shit going on with our food. That's for sure. You can eat pasta over there. You feel normal.

02:07:24 Speaker_01
No, I definitely need to go. It's so good. They don't have poison in their foods over there.

02:07:30 Speaker_06
Fruit loops in America are different than fruit loops in fucking Canada. Because we allow all the dirty dyes. We allow all those funky dyes that are horrible for you. And European countries are like, no, that shit's poison.

02:07:44 Speaker_06
We're like, give it to the kids. Give it to the babies. Give the babies the poison.

02:07:51 Speaker_01
Loaded with sugar.

02:07:53 Speaker_06
Loaded with sugar. But we never know. When we were kids, nobody ever told you. Sugar just all it did was rot your teeth. No big deal.

02:07:59 Speaker_02
Right. That's what it felt like. Yeah. You didn't think it was going to kill you. I grew up on that shit.

02:08:04 Speaker_06
All of it. I used to take frosted flakes and put sugar on top of it.

02:08:07 Speaker_02
Sugar on it.

02:08:10 Speaker_06
Remember those days? You love gritty. Gritty with sugar.

02:08:15 Speaker_02
And if I had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar.

02:08:19 Speaker_06
Water in it.

02:08:21 Speaker_03
I remember Travis Luter. Some guys are too smart for their own good. I remember I'm eating raisins in there, and he's eating fucking Kit Kats and shit. I'm like, he's eating sugar, sugar. I don't think it works like that.

02:08:35 Speaker_03
I'm far from a fucking, I'm a nutritionist, but I don't think, you know, because I don't like these fucking raisins.

02:08:41 Speaker_06
There is something to be said for drinking things that have a high sugar content after hard training. That's a fact. And you know who used to do that? Floyd Mayweather.

02:08:50 Speaker_06
Floyd Mayweather used to be having these crazy workouts and he would crack open a Pepsi and people were like, what the fuck is he doing? Like he's crazy. But no, he's nice, smart.

02:08:59 Speaker_06
As hard as that guy worked out, you're getting that muscle glycogen in a crazy way that you're really not going to get any other way. I don't recommend drinking soda. I like it. It's fun. I like to drink a soda every now and then, a real one.

02:09:12 Speaker_06
But he used to drink it after training.

02:09:14 Speaker_02
Well, that's what Paul Felder does after a long bike ride. He would talk about drinking a soda.

02:09:19 Speaker_01
Yeah, the best times to do it are like they say, either when you wake up just because you're fasted or after a big workout. They're the safest times to do that.

02:09:27 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean, he's there drinking a Coke. And you would think there's no way this guy, he treats his body like a temple. But he does. He's smart. That guy did it the right way.

02:09:36 Speaker_06
Never drank, never partied, never was out of shape, never got fat, would run home from the club at two o'clock in the morning, in his jeans, just fucking getting in work, never out of shape. He got to see all the mistakes.

02:09:52 Speaker_06
And he's like, I'm not making any of these.

02:09:54 Speaker_02
Yeah, he was built different, too. He's smarter. Yeah, smarter than everybody else. He's just brought up in it.

02:09:59 Speaker_06
I can't knock everybody out, but I can get everybody to want me to get knocked out. And so people come to see me get knocked out, and I beat everybody.

02:10:06 Speaker_01
That's right. I mean, he's definitely the greatest defensive fighter of all time. Of all time.

02:10:11 Speaker_06
If boxing is hit and don't get hit, who's better than Floyd? Zero people. How many people cracked him in his career?

02:10:19 Speaker_01
Mosley.

02:10:21 Speaker_06
Shane cracked him.

02:10:23 Speaker_01
Chop Chop, Demarcus Corley cracked him.

02:10:27 Speaker_06
Conor McGregor. The homeboy from Argentina. Maidana. Maidana knocked his tooth out and then would carry it around on a necklace. My Donna has Floyd Mayweather's tooth.

02:10:45 Speaker_01
Does he really?

02:10:46 Speaker_06
Yes, show it Jamie. My Donna has Floyd Mayweather's tooth on a gold necklace.

02:10:51 Speaker_01
A lot of people thought My Donna won the first one.

02:10:54 Speaker_06
But think about that. He definitely cracked him at the end of that round and wobbled him. And then it was right at the bell. And so then Floyd got back on his bike and started out boxing him. But My Donna, see there it is. There's his tooth.

02:11:05 Speaker_06
See there it is. He's got it knocked out. And he keeps it around his fucking neck.

02:11:10 Speaker_02
Think about how good defensively you have to be. That we can count how many times you've been cracked. Amazing. Yeah.

02:11:16 Speaker_06
Amazing. But also could recover.

02:11:18 Speaker_02
Yeah. For sure.

02:11:19 Speaker_06
Floyd could recover. He just had a lot of hand injuries.

02:11:21 Speaker_03
How'd he find his tooth in that motherfucker? So he's like probably telling his corner guy, get that motherfucker.

02:11:26 Speaker_06
I want a necklace. You can see it in the fight. It flies out of his mouth. And one of the corner men saw it and grabbed it.

02:11:32 Speaker_01
Damn. Yeah. That's great.

02:11:34 Speaker_06
Great. That's hilarious.

02:11:35 Speaker_01
That is funny. Like we need that. That's a souvenir. That second fight, Floyd got the ring bigger. And he just destroyed him in the second one because he had more room to run.

02:11:45 Speaker_01
The first one, Maidana kept getting him on the ropes, getting him on the ropes, and beating him up.

02:11:50 Speaker_06
Well, if you're going to have a rematch with a master technician, he's going to figure out all your little moves. Yeah, well, he's the shot caller, so he's got to say how big the ring is and everything. Did you see Superlek in 1FC?

02:12:02 Speaker_06
I didn't see that, no. What is that? Dude, Superlek is this badass Muay Thai fighter. And he fought Jonathan Haggerty? Who was the champion?

02:12:13 Speaker_02
Was that when he hit him with the elbow? Yeah, I heard about that.

02:12:16 Speaker_06
But I saw an interesting breakdown. Here it is. So look at this. He caught him with that overtop elbow. like real quick in the fight. I think it was like 40 seconds. Look at that beautiful KO. So they had a real good fight in the first fight.

02:12:29 Speaker_06
It was six years ago, and Hegarty became the champion, and everybody thought, you know, like, this is going to be a much different fight.

02:12:35 Speaker_06
But what I saw that was interesting was someone broke down, there was a video breakdown of his tells, that Hegarty has a certain hop, hop, and then he goes in. And then Superlek had timed it, and he tried it earlier in the round and didn't catch it.

02:12:51 Speaker_06
And in this one, look at this. Perfect timing. Gets his head off the center line. Right on the tempo, too. Oh, my God. Perfect elbow. This is the thing that I love that 1FC is doing. I don't love what they did to Mikey Moose Imagine.

02:13:02 Speaker_06
But what I love what they're doing is they're having world-class Muay Thai fighters and they're putting them in these giant cards where like tens of thousands of people can see them.

02:13:11 Speaker_00
It's on Amazon.

02:13:13 Speaker_06
So millions of people are going to see it around the world on Amazon and it's on the internet. So all these people are going to be able to see it on YouTube.

02:13:19 Speaker_06
It's exposing people to these guys that are just like super high-level strikers that you're not gonna hear about 200 fights like Rod Tang who would have heard of Rod Tang if it wasn't for one for sure Yeah, that fucking elbow reminded me it just brought me back to Weidman versus Mark Muniz

02:13:40 Speaker_02
That's the fucking elbow. Exactly. That fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use that elbow against Ron Zhu over the weekend. Really? Yeah, and busted his eye wide open. They stopped the fight because of that. That's interesting.

02:13:53 Speaker_02
This one's incredible. This is Prime Wideman.

02:13:57 Speaker_06
Oh my goodness, the timing on that. Dude, Prime Wideman was a motherfucker, dude. He was a motherfucker.

02:14:04 Speaker_04
Look at his elbow.

02:14:05 Speaker_06
Longo's happy. Oh my god. Phenomenal. So clean. Phenomenal. Ready? Bang! The timing. Good one.

02:14:14 Speaker_03
Yeah, Chris. He's fighting Honduras soon. Eric Honduras.

02:14:17 Speaker_02
Yeah, Eric Honduras. When is that? When is that? That's in Madison Square Garden. It is in Madison Square Garden. November 16th. That's a crazy fight.

02:14:24 Speaker_03
Chris is in South Carolina now. We don't see him so much. South Carolina Chris now. Is he training with Wonderboy?

02:14:30 Speaker_02
Who's he training with down there? Does he live down there? He's got like his own people, with like Brian Barberena and those guys. He's got a bunch of nice guys with him.

02:14:38 Speaker_06
They got a decent little squad down there, from what I hear. Well, he was throwing kicks in the last fight. Yeah. He was throwing hard kicks with that right leg.

02:14:44 Speaker_02
I can't watch it.

02:14:45 Speaker_06
It's crazy. I can't watch it. But it seemed like he was trying to prove a point.

02:14:49 Speaker_03
Like, I want to fucking drill these things. He's such a beast, Chris White.

02:14:54 Speaker_06
That last fight was a bummer, though. The eye poke thing was a real bummer. It kind of made it, yeah.

02:14:58 Speaker_03
It took away from it a lot.

02:15:00 Speaker_06
It was a bummer. I feel like, I keep saying it, but I feel like they should cover those fingertips. There's no reason why they're exposed. It doesn't make any sense. Do it like a bag glove. Cover it like a bag glove.

02:15:10 Speaker_02
I mean, I just don't understand why, like how they thought this was going to solve the problem. They were like, new gloves! And our guys are still getting poked in the eye.

02:15:18 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's still the same setup. I feel like if you're going to have the fingerless ones, Trevor Whitman's are the best.

02:15:26 Speaker_02
They curve down, right? They curve hard.

02:15:29 Speaker_06
Your hands stay in this position. You have to struggle to do this. Your hand naturally goes in this position. The UFC gloves are still like this. Yeah, like how did they think that was gonna be the answer? You gotta cover the fingers.

02:15:40 Speaker_06
There's no reason to not cover the fingers like a bag glove. Just have a piece of leather that goes over the fingertips, so you have one thing, it's not gonna invade your grappling, it's not gonna change your striking, it's not gonna change anything.

02:15:52 Speaker_06
Put like a piece of elastic in there. Yeah, just keep it closed. And this way, at least if you get poked in the eye, you're getting a blunt thing like this. You're not getting something that goes into your eyeball, right?

02:16:02 Speaker_06
So have them all covered with something like that and have like a ridge over the top of it, like a soft foam ridge. So even if you're getting poked in the eyes, you're not-

02:16:13 Speaker_06
Yeah, you're not getting an individual thing going deep into your eyeball with a fingernail, which is what people get right now. You get fucking fingernails. Dirty-ass fingernail in your eyeball.

02:16:23 Speaker_06
Even if you trim your nails, like my nails are trimmed, I wouldn't want that in my asshole. Oh, let me look at me today. Imagine if that's in your asshole?

02:16:28 Speaker_03
Yeah. Scratching around inside your asshole, right?

02:16:31 Speaker_06
And your eyeball is just soft tissue, man.

02:16:33 Speaker_03
That's worse than little Ant-Man getting big inside your asshole. My head went straight there. Of course.

02:16:39 Speaker_06
That's where I was going with it. It's like soft tissue in your eyeballs is the scariest soft tissue. We're allowing fingernails to go in there for no reason. You could fix that. You really could fix that by just covering the tips of the fingertips.

02:16:53 Speaker_02
I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove.

02:16:55 Speaker_06
Trevor Whitman's glove is the best.

02:16:57 Speaker_02
I do too.

02:16:57 Speaker_06
You're always going to have thumbs, you know. You remember Roberto Duran and Davey Moore? Yeah, yeah. Thumbed him right in the eyeball.

02:17:04 Speaker_03
Right. Dean Thomas, do you want them to use the Trevor Whitman gloves because you feel bad about taking his fucking job? What? Listen, I can't help that. No, no, no, no, no.

02:17:15 Speaker_02
He left the job so he could work on them gloves. So you might as well give him the love for that.

02:17:20 Speaker_06
Chadwick Whitman has the best gloves. He has the best training gloves. All his equipment is top tier. He uses the best materials. The foam he uses is very different. It's like super high-tech density foam. It feels better when you're hitting things.

02:17:35 Speaker_06
I think it'll protect people from hand injuries better. Yeah, so they should talk to him. They did. Apparently, he wanted some crazy amount of money that the UFC wasn't willing to give him. Trevor! Oh, Trevor! That's the UFC's perspective.

02:17:47 Speaker_06
I don't know what Trevor... I love Trevor, but I'm a big fan of his stuff. If it was up to me, I would figure out a way to make that work.

02:17:54 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure.

02:17:54 Speaker_06
But, you know, apparently he wanted money, so... Something crazy?

02:17:58 Speaker_02
Yeah. Not only that, D. Thomas has your fucking other job now. Fucking shit.

02:18:04 Speaker_02
I got to man because like I'm working with y'all you know Joe Rogan DC and now I gotta I gotta have my own thing you don't have a flair yeah your own Dean Thomas flair I gotta I gotta show up somehow

02:18:23 Speaker_06
Hey, there's some good fights on this card this weekend, you know, I know bomb Mondays is a bad motherfucker He is a bad motherfucker. That's a bad mother. Yeah, that's that's an interesting fight on the undercard. Mm-hmm.

02:18:35 Speaker_06
Let's see He's fighting Manuel Torres is also good. Yeah, that's a good fight man. That's a real good fight They that's one of them under the radar fights.

02:18:44 Speaker_01
They put people in here to like to throw most of this car Sure, people like to throw who do Manuel Torres fight his last fight?

02:18:49 Speaker_02
He beat he beat the hell out of somebody last he did I

02:18:53 Speaker_06
Baja Mondays throw some wild shit.

02:18:57 Speaker_02
Oh yeah, Chris Duncan.

02:18:58 Speaker_06
Yeah, he busted Chris Duncan. That's going to be an interesting fight, but for me, scroll all the way up to the top, Jamie. No, no, no, the end of the card. I'm very, very interested in the rematch of Alexa Grosso and Valentina.

02:19:15 Speaker_04
Yes, me too.

02:19:16 Speaker_06
I felt like Valentina did enough to get the nod in the second fight.

02:19:20 Speaker_04
I did too.

02:19:21 Speaker_06
I felt like she, and some judge gave the last round to Alexa Grosso 10-8. Yeah, two points. Which I thought was kind of...

02:19:28 Speaker_02
Well you know why, right? Because he had her in the choke, and he was just kind of biased from the first choke. So he thought that was close enough.

02:19:36 Speaker_06
It was kind of close, but it wasn't, you know, I mean, it means something. If you're gonna do that, you should do that all the time. Anytime someone gets you in a choke and you defend, that's a 10-9 already, you already got a 10-9.

02:19:47 Speaker_06
Anything more than that, now it's 10-8. You know, like boxing with knockdowns. The scoring is too subjective.

02:19:53 Speaker_01
A 10-8 round is more like when Aljamain had Jan on his back the entire round, threatening, you know what I'm saying? Smashing him. Getting there at the end of the round doesn't earn you two points.

02:20:04 Speaker_06
Right, a 10-8 is a dominant round. You dominated the whole round.

02:20:08 Speaker_01
Did they give Aljamain two points? I don't even think he got 10-8 for that.

02:20:11 Speaker_03
All I know is poor Aljo didn't get the respect he deserves after that Calvin Kader fight, which was a fucking beautiful- Masterpiece. It was a great fight.

02:20:21 Speaker_06
I think Aljo's just a 45er who was a bad motherfucker at 35, but I think we're going to see the real Aljo at 45.

02:20:28 Speaker_02
I think so too. I think he's gonna be old boy in a couple weeks.

02:20:31 Speaker_06
He's so big man I was only how though I saw him in between He's gonna beat Mozart a couple weeks interesting fine high-level grappling. Yeah interested very high when he got San Hagen's back That was the quickness.

02:20:44 Speaker_06
Oh, yeah, that rear naked choke of his is about as good as it gets in MMA right now these top three How do you think okay like

02:20:54 Speaker_03
What happened to Ortega last time where he pulled out, like something was up with him? Supposedly probably cutting weight or something?

02:21:00 Speaker_06
Yeah, he got something real bad.

02:21:01 Speaker_01
Oh, okay. Yeah, he got real, real sick. He got real sick. Yeah, because they made that fight on, like I said, it was a three-week notice fight. They were both going to fight each other. He didn't look good the day of the weigh-ins.

02:21:11 Speaker_06
You know, I do the interviews with fighters. I did an interview with him, and he was like, he just looked tired. I think he just, I mean, he didn't make weight that fight either, remember?

02:21:21 Speaker_01
He missed weight.

02:21:21 Speaker_06
It was a medical withdrawal. So he missed a weight and then on top of that, like they changed the weight class and then on top of that he never makes it to the fight. He was sick.

02:21:29 Speaker_02
It's gonna be a wild fight.

02:21:30 Speaker_06
And Diego Lopez is a fucking assassin.

02:21:33 Speaker_02
Zell Huber is an assassin too.

02:21:34 Speaker_01
I was getting ready to say that's gonna be another banger. Who do you like on that one? I heard old Cejudo talking about Ribovic. Apparently he trains at his gym. Ribovic is good, man.

02:21:46 Speaker_06
He's very good. This is a very fun fight. Very fun fight. There's a lot of under-the-radar fights on this card.

02:21:54 Speaker_02
I think it's going to live up to it. I mean, they got a lot of hype on this fear. And the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers. Here's the question.

02:22:02 Speaker_06
You know how they show on the big screens, you get to see the fights, if you're in the stands, so you can see things that maybe you don't see? Are they going to have it on the whole ceiling?

02:22:11 Speaker_03
I don't think they should.

02:22:15 Speaker_02
I was at the Apex all week last week and it's so secretive.

02:22:20 Speaker_06
I think they should have the fight on the whole ceiling and then everybody would not know where to fuck to look. They'd be getting knockouts and people wouldn't even be looking at them.

02:22:29 Speaker_06
Because if it's way cooler, if it's only going to do it once, have the shit on the ceiling.

02:22:33 Speaker_01
Is it going to be two production trucks? Like people at home aren't going to be seeing the whole visual because it's produced four. That's a very good point. Apparently they hired another director.

02:22:46 Speaker_02
Yeah, so it's like, like it's just been like crazy.

02:22:49 Speaker_01
If they're smart, which they are, they should make some kind of documentary or something about the making of this shit. Oh, they probably are. You know what I mean?

02:22:57 Speaker_01
And so people get to try to see what was going on inside of there that weren't able to get tickets.

02:23:02 Speaker_06
I think there's six mini movies that play about the history of combat sports in Mexico.

02:23:06 Speaker_01
They said that.

02:23:06 Speaker_06
They said something like that. Yeah. That's crazy crazy. They spent 20 million dollars on this fucking place. I've heard it's nuts. I think what the original budget was 10 And they just went over so Sean O'Malley and Marab is a perfect fight for it.

02:23:21 Speaker_06
I know that neither one of them is Mexican, but let that go for a little bit. Mexico, they adopted Marab. He fights like a Mexican. He really does. God damn, that guy's gas tank is terrifying.

02:23:36 Speaker_06
He's terrifying because that's a guy that if you empty out early on Marab, you got real problems.

02:23:42 Speaker_03
He's got a chin on him.

02:23:44 Speaker_06
He survives. Apparently so. The Marlon fight was nuts, man.

02:23:51 Speaker_01
The second half of the round he got dropped and he beat him to death. He almost stopped him in that round. That's why the second round happened how it did. He took it out of him in the first round. Yeah, but Rob is an animal.

02:24:03 Speaker_06
But Marais was like a frontrunner like no other. That first round with Henry Cejudo, I thought Henry Cejudo was going to sleep. Dude, when Marlon was in his prime, when he knocked out Aljo with that switch kick, bro, he was terrifying.

02:24:20 Speaker_06
I forgot how good Marlon was. He was good, good. But he was just too big for the weight class, too. He was another guy. There's no way that was healthy. He was so big for 35 and just shredded.

02:24:31 Speaker_01
Explosive, man. He had that Mickey Mouse voice to go with it.

02:24:36 Speaker_06
The little fire plug with that little voice. What Marlon had that was so tricky was that left high kick off the front leg. He caught a lot of people. He did it so slick. It was so fast.

02:24:46 Speaker_03
He was explosive, he was accurate, he was well-rounded, but he did the gas tank I think maybe from making the weight or whatever.

02:24:52 Speaker_06
It had to do with, there was some psychological aspects to it too, I think. There was like something when he was the nail, it wasn't as, you know, he just didn't stand up. He wasn't like Merab.

02:25:03 Speaker_06
Like Merab finds a fucking... There's a Georgia memory in there of some fucking street fight with a goat. He's got rabies now. You know, there's some deep memory of some fucking chaotic thing on a mountain that happened that's in his brain forever.

02:25:19 Speaker_03
You know, you got Sean O'Malley saying that he has- Street fight with a goat. Sean O'Malley says he has no losses. He points out that Cheeto Vera thing, that it's a fluke.

02:25:29 Speaker_03
If you look at Merab's record, that fight with Frankie Size was a fucking, I don't say it often, it's a fucking robbery if you watch that. And he was just getting over fucking, what do you have? Not pneumonia, he had lingering effects of something.

02:25:44 Speaker_03
And he still went through that fight. I don't give a fuck, watch that fight, he won that fight. And then the other one with Simone, Ricky Simone, it was controversial.

02:25:52 Speaker_03
Because he was in the choke, and that round ended, and then he was like, half in, half out, and they're like, oh, he's out. So it was a weird.

02:26:01 Speaker_06
I haven't seen that, let me see that. Ricky Simone, Murab, I forgot about that fight.

02:26:04 Speaker_03
He's shaking to the end of it. And then when it's end of it, it's like out, but in and out.

02:26:10 Speaker_06
So it's like, it was a weird, but he made it to the belt. That's Yan Xiaonan against Zhang Weili, remember? At the end of the round, she was out cold. She got choked unconscious. And then they woke her up and she was like, okay.

02:26:22 Speaker_02
Sat down and throw an ice on her, water. She woke up.

02:26:25 Speaker_06
But he won because he was the first guy to wake up. So here it is. Ricky Simone gets him in a guillotine.

02:26:34 Speaker_03
And it's the very end.

02:26:35 Speaker_06
Oh my god, that's so nasty. Look how nasty that is. It's on, too. That's so tight. That's so tight. He's out. He's out right there. He's out.

02:26:43 Speaker_01
The arm's hanging. But he doesn't stop it.

02:26:44 Speaker_06
The left doesn't stop it. He's still there. He's still shaking. OK. So he's hanging in there. He's hanging in there. But where's the second slip? He's not tapping. God damn, that guy's got willpower, huh?

02:26:55 Speaker_00
For real. Look at him.

02:26:55 Speaker_06
He's not tapping. He's not defending with his arms either. This is crazy. He's not even defending with his arms. He's just using his neck. He gave him the thumbs up. Yeah.

02:27:14 Speaker_01
10 seconds?

02:27:19 Speaker_06
He's still moving his legs. I mean, that's... The horn! But now he's like... He's breathing.

02:27:28 Speaker_03
Yeah, what the fuck? They stopped the fight.

02:27:30 Speaker_06
No, no, no, no. You can't say he's out there.

02:27:33 Speaker_03
That's what I'm saying. You can't say he's out there. Rest in peace, Dr. Sherry. That was the team talk. Dr. Walken.

02:27:39 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's kind of crazy. That's fucked up. After the fight was over? Yeah. After the round was over, they decided he was out.

02:27:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, so I mean, so look, you could look at his record and say he undefeated.

02:27:49 Speaker_06
But he protested immediately. He was just laying there with his eyes open, and it looked like he was out because he was fucking exhausted.

02:27:56 Speaker_02
Yeah, like you could be like, yeah, that's like a sign of relief.

02:27:58 Speaker_06
But he was clearly, like there's no way he would have known if the guy says it's over and he immediately protests. There's no way he could have known to protest if he wasn't awake.

02:28:07 Speaker_03
And who was the ref? I don't even recognize him.

02:28:09 Speaker_06
They fucked him in this.

02:28:09 Speaker_03
So it's like you could look at his record and be like, yo, this guy hasn't lost a fight.

02:28:12 Speaker_06
Yeah.

02:28:13 Speaker_03
There's some, you know, refs are human. They make mistakes. That's a rough one though.

02:28:17 Speaker_06
It's a bad one.

02:28:18 Speaker_03
And if you look at the fight before that, that's the robbery of Frankie Size. So you can literally look at this guy and say he never lost.

02:28:24 Speaker_06
I mean, if you want to really... Well, I think all these moments of adversity just strengthened his resolve anyway.

02:28:30 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah.

02:28:30 Speaker_06
Because the guy's a monster now. The Henry Cejudo fight was so crazy. When he was carrying Henry Cejudo like a little kid with his tongue hanging out, I was like, this is mad.

02:28:39 Speaker_02
It was kind of embarrassing. I felt bad for Henry.

02:28:41 Speaker_06
But he's doing it to Henry Cejudo. He wasn't just doing it to some guy who didn't belong in the cage with him. He's doing it to a two-division world champion who's Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and he's carrying him around like a pillow.

02:28:53 Speaker_06
And he walks over to Mark Zuckerberg.

02:28:55 Speaker_01
And then he's talking shit while he's choking him.

02:28:59 Speaker_06
Talking shit while he's beating the fuck out of him. He was having a great old time. When he had him in that ten-finger guillotine.

02:29:04 Speaker_01
Bro, that's a nasty spot.

02:29:05 Speaker_06
That's a nasty... I thought he was gonna get him there with that. I'm like, that's a nasty choke. Yeah, I think he's gonna have his night. I think the craziest moment like that though was when Hamzat picked up the leech. And he ran him over there.

02:29:19 Speaker_06
Give me title shots! I'll kill them all! He's like carrying him in the air. He's carrying him over to Dana. And he starts fucking him up right in front of Dana. That dude's wild.

02:29:32 Speaker_02
Poor Leach, though. Leach can't get... I mean, they just feed him to everyone. Who did you just fight, Leach? Carlos Pratas. And Carlos Pratas put them hands on him.

02:29:42 Speaker_06
Smoking cigarettes in the locker room, fucking everybody up.

02:29:45 Speaker_03
He put them hands on him. That striking was beautiful. Yeah, he's good, man.

02:29:50 Speaker_06
He made that look easy, man. He's very, very, very good. That guy's scary. Where the fuck did he come from? It's from the Fighting Nerds, man. Here he is right here. Yeah, Fighting Nerds, man. They got a great team.

02:30:03 Speaker_06
But this guy, he's just a fucking killer, man. Carlos just knows how to put it on you. This knee to the body, man, was so nasty. Oh, see the knee to the body before that.

02:30:13 Speaker_06
They didn't have that in that video, but he got him hurt before this, but he's just fucking accurate dude.

02:30:18 Speaker_06
He's all limbs There's some good fighters coming up man these kids that are coming up They come into the cage so much better than guys just five years ago so much

02:30:35 Speaker_02
But are getting so much help from the UFC prior right you know like especially like if you have like the PI behind you like Like a Mexicoder like sponsor these guys Also, there's so many videos to watch now.

02:30:47 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's a big factor Because like when you were coming up you had VHS tape what the fuck? Nobody chance to see anything. You didn't really get, unless you saw them in your gym, you didn't get a chance to see like real high-level stuff.

02:31:04 Speaker_06
And now guys, they have a standard in their head that's way higher than everybody's standard from 10, 15 years ago.

02:31:10 Speaker_01
Yeah, no doubt about that.

02:31:11 Speaker_06
These guys just come in so well-rounded.

02:31:13 Speaker_01
And plus they start so much younger.

02:31:16 Speaker_06
Oh, yeah, that's a fact.

02:31:17 Speaker_01
And kids, you know, the UFC has boosted, you know, wrestling in high schools and junior leagues and things. So these, they're just more complete, like they're, they're growing up now, complete martial artists, you know. There's no secrets anymore.

02:31:29 Speaker_03
I remember back in the day, we'd be like, it's a new move, don't show anybody!

02:31:34 Speaker_06
Still, the calf kick's only a few years old. Bisping said he went his whole career without getting kicked in the calf. Me too, thank God.

02:31:40 Speaker_02
Crazy!

02:31:41 Speaker_06
I'm glad that wasn't around back then. How the fuck did everybody miss that? I know, right? Benson Henderson used to throw it. He did, yeah. Weird, but he never had the kind of results that these guys are having. It's different. Where did it come from?

02:31:52 Speaker_06
Is it part of Muay Thai? Well, it's Muay Thai. They've always done it. It just wasn't done that often because guys check it.

02:31:58 Speaker_01
I never noticed.

02:31:58 Speaker_06
And if they check it, and they turn out, and you catch it on your foot. I think they do it a lot more in Muay Thai now, though.

02:32:05 Speaker_01
Even in Muay Thai?

02:32:07 Speaker_06
Yeah, I think everybody just sees what's going on. You see it in one a lot. In Glory, you see it now a lot. Guys throwing it a lot, man. It's so effective.

02:32:17 Speaker_02
You know what's weird? In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh. It has to be a calf kick. That's ridiculous. It's weird to me, I'm like, what?

02:32:25 Speaker_06
It has to be a calf kick? That's really ridiculous.

02:32:27 Speaker_02
What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh? It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat.

02:32:32 Speaker_06
That's ridiculous.

02:32:33 Speaker_02
That's silly. What's the matter with that?

02:32:35 Speaker_06
Point of karate. Yeah, that literally makes no sense. Yeah. Because what about Kyokushin? What about ones where they kick the legs all the time? That's karate too.

02:32:42 Speaker_02
Not sure why.

02:32:43 Speaker_06
Take out some of the best karate from karate?

02:32:45 Speaker_02
Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.

02:32:46 Speaker_06
But you can ground and pound for like 10 seconds or something?

02:32:49 Speaker_02
You ground and pound until you stop. Oh. Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop. And then they break it up.

02:32:54 Speaker_06
But you can't leg kick.

02:32:55 Speaker_02
Right, but you can't kick to the thigh.

02:32:57 Speaker_06
That seems crazy.

02:32:58 Speaker_02
Yeah.

02:32:59 Speaker_06
That doesn't make sense. What's your feeling on that side kick to the knee? Like what Khalil did to Modestus? Hate it. No, I don't hate it.

02:33:06 Speaker_01
I love it. I hate it. You hate it? Yeah. I think it does nothing but damage a fighter. Like people say, oh, you can knee bar. Well, you can tap to a knee bar. You can't tap to that kick. And if the kick lands, you're done.

02:33:18 Speaker_05
Can't tap to a head kick either. I mean, whatever.

02:33:21 Speaker_01
You go to sleep, you go to sleep. That's different to me.

02:33:24 Speaker_05
But some head kicks are probably worse than getting knee kicked. I mean, Leon Edwards and Kamaru, if you ask Kamaru, would you rather take a shot to the knee or that shot to the head, he might take a shot to the knee.

02:33:35 Speaker_01
I mean, you gotta defend it, right? If you hit on time, like Khalil did, I think I'd rather get kicked in my head.

02:33:41 Speaker_02
That one was horrific. It's horrible to watch, but you gotta defend it. It's not like you can't defend it, you gotta defend it.

02:33:47 Speaker_06
You remember when Darren Till started using it on everybody? He was like one of the first guys to start using it on everybody. Jon Jones, of course.

02:33:54 Speaker_01
Jon Jones is the guy with it.

02:33:57 Speaker_03
He's so long. Yeah, that's a shitty one against, I mean you can't really, you can't use that full force in sparring.

02:34:05 Speaker_06
In sparring you can't do that. No, you definitely can't. You can't do that in sparring, you'd be taking out your partner's knees.

02:34:10 Speaker_06
I've had guys tell me that they were sparring with guys they didn't know and they did shit like that to them, sidekicks to the knees, and I'm like, what the fuck are we doing?

02:34:17 Speaker_02
Now you're making a street fight.

02:34:18 Speaker_06
In a sparring match, a guy was telling me about the ATT, they bring in some crazy Russians who were sidekicking your knees.

02:34:24 Speaker_02
I mean not only that but they was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the to the head with just Hitting you with the heel and I'm like, yo, what are you doing?

02:34:31 Speaker_06
That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. That's so hard That's so if you're in a high-level sparring match with a guy what's like you getting emotional and then you throw a spinning kick It's so hard to like slap him with the foot

02:34:45 Speaker_02
You wear shin pads for a reason to protect, but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection.

02:34:50 Speaker_06
Well, that's why gloves are nuts, right? Because you can knee somebody in the face, you can elbow in the face, you can shin them in the fucking skull, but your knuckles are covered. God forbid. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy.

02:35:04 Speaker_03
I haven't once sparred with the new, I mean they came later on, like the

02:35:08 Speaker_03
The gloves that you could they're not quite they're not the boxing gloves the I always use the 16 ounce gloves because I want to be able to fucking throw and I grapple in them But then like you I get in I get under the butt you obviously can't make it

02:35:24 Speaker_03
a grip, but then it's that much easier when I can make a grip. So, like, I'd get in, I'd lose it, but it would help my endurance, and when I'm able to make grips, I'm like, ah.

02:35:32 Speaker_03
When they add the new gloves and people are fucking around with them, I'm like, yeah, but now we gotta just, now we're playing. I didn't have the luxury, I'm fucking 5'6", I have to triple jab in and fight. Like, I can't play by just, I have to throw.

02:35:44 Speaker_03
So, I couldn't throw, like, realistically with those little gloves. So, what I see, sometimes there's some people sparring, I had one of my girls sparring,

02:35:52 Speaker_03
And this girl Lauren, and she brought in another girl, and they were doing it with those gloves. I go, look, next time you want me to watch this shit, you're playing right now.

02:36:01 Speaker_03
I can't, I'm not gonna be telling you to fucking do certain things and throw certain things if you could be, it's playing, you're playing. It's okay to play, I like to grapple in them, but we have to fight.

02:36:11 Speaker_03
So I mean, you know, put on some bigger gloves. We did the same thing.

02:36:14 Speaker_06
Do you think that there's a time in a fighter's career where they don't have to spar? Is there ever a time where they don't have to spar hard?

02:36:22 Speaker_03
If they clock in enough hours, like I guess like Max Holloway, whoever else, like possibly.

02:36:26 Speaker_06
But even Holloway, when he's getting ready for Gaethje, decided to spar.

02:36:30 Speaker_03
You have to simulate the fight as much as possible, because you don't want to feel that for the first time in there.

02:36:36 Speaker_06
So the reason why I'm asking is because I was watching Izzy's fight with Drekas, and The thing about that fight is that it looks like at the end, Izzy's very tired.

02:36:47 Speaker_06
And he gets clocked, like Drikus catches him with some of those winging punches, which he was getting away from in the earlier rounds, and he catches him, rocks him, and then he hits him with a couple more right hands against the cage, and then immediately gets him in a choke when he goes to the ground, and then Izzy taps.

02:37:04 Speaker_06
Always wonder because that school thought of like the Mara Marinovich school of thought when BJ was in his prime Was those guys were just doing wild plyometrics and cardio, and that's it.

02:37:15 Speaker_06
They just like you know how to fight We're just gonna give you the most fucking insane gas tank you've ever had in your career And if you can get through this crazy camp of doing box jumps and plyometrics and those fuck All those things they were doing

02:37:28 Speaker_06
Systems wild wild shit and Nick curse on who I talked about it trained under it now They have this philosophy that a fighter like a guy like you or guy like you you're all you have so many fights You know how to fight you've been there You've done it what you really need to do for this camp because you're getting ready for a fight is not get injured and have a fucking insane gas tank the flip side of that most recently and it's not the same thing because the guy could be weathered a little bit and

02:37:57 Speaker_03
Who had that philosophy with Tony Ferguson? Goggins. Goggins put him... Now look... That's Tony Ferguson after Gaethje. But Goggins put him through a fucking cardio session.

02:38:09 Speaker_06
I think Tony Ferguson after Gaethje is a different human being. Yeah, he's been compromised.

02:38:13 Speaker_03
I like David Goggins, but I don't think he should have been in the corner. I mean, you got him in the corner yelling from the stand. I'm not shit on Goggins. I like all the shit. But he's in the corner going, get up, Tony.

02:38:23 Speaker_03
It's one of those things where it's like, you know, no shit.

02:38:26 Speaker_06
Agreed, agreed. Look, when it comes to willpower and when it comes to like discipline, there's no one like Goggins. But that doesn't matter if you mount him and strangle him to death. It doesn't matter. I fucking never quit. You're going to quit, bitch.

02:38:41 Speaker_06
I'm going to make your body quit. I'm going to make your body quit. I don't care what kind of will you have. I get behind you and put that in there. You're going to night-night. You're going to pee your pants. That's how it goes.

02:38:50 Speaker_06
You're a human being you you have neck muscles.

02:38:53 Speaker_06
You have veins that provide all that blood to your brain I'm gonna cut that off and if you can't get all that he needs from a guy like that But you can get something you can get something but Tony at that time was already on a long list

02:39:07 Speaker_06
skid of multiple losses the Chandler knockout he gets front kicked in the face and an epic KO loss the Gaethje fight was horrific and then you got to go before that he blows his fucking knee out backstage he was the boogeyman we were gonna see the boogeyman versus Khabib it was the fight everybody was pumped and then Al steps in

02:39:28 Speaker_06
On super short notice, Rage and Al had a great fucking account of himself. It was a very good fight. Very good fight. Against Khabib in his prime. Khabib in his prime.

02:39:41 Speaker_03
And didn't get finished for five rounds.

02:39:43 Speaker_06
Bro, I always wonder, man, if Tony Ferguson just doesn't step on those wires and we get to see that fight, my God. How, yeah. Because that was Tony Ferguson when he was the fucking boogeyman, when everybody was scared of him.

02:39:54 Speaker_06
He was beating the fuck out of everybody.

02:39:56 Speaker_02
Who was the guy that left them wires there? Hopefully they fired that guy, because he ruined history.

02:40:01 Speaker_06
There's always going to be wires. It's just a thing. Didn't Randleman fall backstage or something too? Yes, right before the fight. He fell and hit his head. He stepped on some loose pipe. Went up in the air, banged his head, got knocked out, was bleeding.

02:40:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, everybody's always going to be guessing, but even when he was in his prime, he fought Kevin Lee, Kevin Lee got him down, mounted him. But then he triangled him.

02:40:25 Speaker_03
He did triangle him, but Kevin Lee Mountain, no offense to Kevin Lee, it's not like a beeb on top of you, so I mean, is he ever surviving that?

02:40:31 Speaker_06
You gotta remember, Kevin Lee maybe didn't achieve his potential, but Kevin Lee choked out Kiesa, remember that? Kevin Lee was a motherfucker on the ground, dude.

02:40:40 Speaker_02
He did have his moments.

02:40:41 Speaker_06
He had mad potential. When he knocked out, what's his face, the wrestler?

02:40:47 Speaker_02
Oh, Gregor Gillespie. That's right, Gillespie.

02:40:53 Speaker_06
Kevin Lee was a fucking beast, man. He just was inconsistent and then had a bunch of knee injuries, like severe knee injuries.

02:40:59 Speaker_02
And that's the thing, a fighter's window is only open for so long. So you gotta try to maximize that. Do what you can when your window is open.

02:41:06 Speaker_06
Right, if you saw Fedor fight Ryan Bader, you can't judge Fedor on that.

02:41:10 Speaker_02
And we tend to do that.

02:41:12 Speaker_06
We always do. That's why I always say B.J., because we judge B.J. by the end of his career.

02:41:16 Speaker_03
It was like Tony Ferguson. I mean, I think Tony beat that, beat BJ's, it's not a good record that Ray have, but as far as how many losses in a row. Yeah.

02:41:25 Speaker_03
So these guys got to throw these guys' names in fight pass, all these young kids and see them in their glory days. Cause that's when you should really watch them.

02:41:31 Speaker_06
Yeah. But it's, that's the thing about fighters is like, whatever that window is, they say it's nine years at your very best from your contender to your champion, whatever, when you're fucking redlining. I think it's about five, really.

02:41:46 Speaker_02
I think it's shorter than that. I think it's about five years where you're just like, in it. Let's get it right now. Anderson.

02:41:53 Speaker_06
Anderson is prime. It's like five years of just destruction.

02:41:56 Speaker_02
And then afterwards, it's like, man, you ain't got it no more.

02:42:00 Speaker_06
Also injuries, you know, with Anderson. Well, first it was Weidman. Weidman's left hook. Yeah, that was that was the start of it all. Yep. Wyman's left.

02:42:08 Speaker_06
Oh, that was crazy crazy Before Uriah Hall was like the next big thing when he was in the ultimate fighter Chris had fought him in New Jersey Yeah, Lou neglia, bro. He had a long left hook. Mm-hmm. Wyman's got that that extra foot It's a long hook.

02:42:29 Speaker_06
Like an extended arm hook at the end sometimes. It's a good hook, man, because the guys don't think it's going to be able to reach him and then all of a sudden it's there. Pop.

02:42:38 Speaker_03
I'm interested to see him in on Eric Anders. It's gonna be a war.

02:42:42 Speaker_02
Yeah, cuz Eric's he's game Yeah, Eric is game.

02:42:45 Speaker_06
But remember we fought Khalil and didn't even flinch and Khalil was just blasting his legs Talk about being tough enough to take a beating Bro, I asked him about it. I was like, what was that like? He said every one of them hurt Good poker face

02:42:59 Speaker_06
He had the best poker face ever. He just took it. Yeah. There's some good fights coming up, kids.

02:43:05 Speaker_03
Some real good fights. Oh, fuck yeah. I can't wait. I love it. I love a Saturday when the fight ... I hate when there's ... There's so many fights on every weekend that when there's not one on, I'm like, oh.

02:43:15 Speaker_03
You know what I'm looking forward to more than any?

02:43:17 Speaker_06
Holloway and Teporia. That's the one for me.

02:43:21 Speaker_02
That's October.

02:43:23 Speaker_06
That's Abu Dhabi, right?

02:43:24 Speaker_02
Yeah.

02:43:25 Speaker_06
That's the one, son. That's the one. That's the one for me. Because I see that fight, I go, I don't fucking know. I love a fight where I don't fucking know. I know. A lot of people would have counted out him on the Gaethje fight.

02:43:38 Speaker_01
Shit, I thought Gaethje was going to beat him.

02:43:40 Speaker_06
Insane. And now you're giving him a lot of time to prepare and get ready for this fight? And then Hamza and Whitaker, is that going to happen? Is that going to happen?

02:43:51 Speaker_01
You know, if he's not sick again. Gotta hope it happens. It's a nice fucking card though. It's a great card. It is a good card.

02:43:57 Speaker_06
Jeff Neal and Ophiel Dos Santos. I didn't know that was happening. Armin Petrosian and Magomedov. Yeah, there's some good fights on that card. They bust out. Yeah, that's a great card.

02:44:13 Speaker_06
Yeah That main event is that main event is so unpredictable like Teporia everybody he hits goes night-night. I know everybody he hits he's fucking max is hard to hit And Max got a chin on him, too.

02:44:31 Speaker_02
And he's got a gas tank.

02:44:32 Speaker_06
And Max got that new sneaky spinning back kick while he's stepping away. Yeah, it was working, right?

02:44:37 Speaker_03
That might have been a game-changer, man. Bro, it's a game-changer. That landed at the end of that first round. Yep, smashed the nose.

02:44:42 Speaker_06
Had to change the fight. Change the fight. Change the fight. Change the fight. And it was a skill that he really didn't use a lot earlier in his career.

02:44:48 Speaker_02
Yeah, I know.

02:44:49 Speaker_06
And he had it all of a sudden dialed in. It was crazy. And it was a hard one to do because he's moving away. It was like a hop-away spin to the face.

02:44:59 Speaker_03
And talk about a hero fucking ending to that fucking fight. I don't think there's another fight that ended like that.

02:45:05 Speaker_06
You wouldn't believe that if it was in a movie.

02:45:07 Speaker_03
Right.

02:45:07 Speaker_06
Shut up.

02:45:08 Speaker_03
Right. Shut up with your stupid- A fight that is clearly ahead. He fucking takes that chance of going to the floor.

02:45:14 Speaker_01
Clearly ahead. Yeah. With a guy you know throws hammers.

02:45:17 Speaker_06
Yeah.

02:45:17 Speaker_01
You know?

02:45:18 Speaker_06
And he's been dropped in that fight already.

02:45:20 Speaker_01
Right.

02:45:20 Speaker_06
He got dropped.

02:45:21 Speaker_01
The way he ended. Legit dropped.

02:45:22 Speaker_06
With him face planted. Oh. It's the stuff of legends. The fact that it's for the BMF belt, what a perfect fight for the BMF belt. That's the perfect fight.

02:45:31 Speaker_02
And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys' natural reactions. It's such a natural reaction.

02:45:39 Speaker_02
And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever.

02:45:45 Speaker_06
Yeah, you don't even know what's happening. I think that was the first fight I ever stood up. I got out of my chair. I couldn't take it. I literally couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. I could I can't be sitting down.

02:45:57 Speaker_06
I had to stand up Annick to and it doesn't stand up very often either I don't think I couldn't I couldn't sit down. I was like, I can't believe I just saw that I can't believe that was yeah, and then we're going

02:46:11 Speaker_03
Fucking wild man that was wild max be giving us some moments Myself and Dean Thomas were there not a lot of people there live it was I think it was in Abu Dhabi I Still gave him the second fight with Volkanovsky so Imagine if he wins and that he doesn't go through this skid and

02:46:38 Speaker_06
You know, and you see, oh, the Calvin Cater fight was brutal. He changed Calvin Cater's career. He changed Calvin Cater's career in that fight. That was a bad beating.

02:46:46 Speaker_05
It was a bad beating.

02:46:48 Speaker_06
And it was kind of... Should have never talked shit to him. And this is the apex, right?

02:46:54 Speaker_02
No, this is Abu Dhabi.

02:46:55 Speaker_06
Oh, that's right. But no audience, right?

02:46:58 Speaker_02
That's why. Look at that.

02:47:00 Speaker_06
He's not even looking at him and avoiding all the punches. I'm the best boxer. But the other thing about Max, too, is that fucking gas tank. That gas tank is a weapon. It's a weapon, man. The volume in the gas tank. It's a weapon.

02:47:18 Speaker_06
And that power's legit, too. Max seems to be even more powerful at 55 than he is at 45. That's what I thought. But my question is, does he maintain that when he gets down to 45? How hard's that cut?

02:47:31 Speaker_02
He's got plenty of time to kind of time it out, so I think it's going to help him.

02:47:36 Speaker_06
I hope so. I would not want to see him drained at all if he's fighting Ilya.

02:47:40 Speaker_02
Because Ilya will expose you.

02:47:43 Speaker_03
Has he? No, his hands.

02:47:45 Speaker_02
I know. You see the video of him hitting in mitts? I saw his, even his brother hit like that. Really? I watched his brother hit mitts, and I was like, God damn.

02:47:54 Speaker_03
Bro, he hits mitts like a world champion boxer. Yeah. I was going to say, we haven't seen the other guy tested Ilya, but then again- We did. Giant Herbert. Giant Herbert, yeah. He got head kicked. He got dinged. He got dinged.

02:48:05 Speaker_03
And he came back like a fucking beast. He did. So that's something to say. And stopped him in the next round. Yeah.

02:48:09 Speaker_06
Yeah. But Ilya's hands are some of the most impressive hands in the sport. No fat in his technique. No wasted movements, man.

02:48:17 Speaker_06
the best box get ready say you're gonna find out this is good Jamie but there's a video that's like recently on his Instagram that's fucking insane because he's going full clip trying to show off and you get to really like he's working here it's all good but see if you can find the clip that's on his Instagram page his Instagram has an insane video of him just crack admits we played it on the podcast the other day remember yeah that's it right there give me some volume so you hear this shit

02:48:51 Speaker_02
Bro, the guy is clean. Crispy.

02:48:54 Speaker_06
Clean. Everything, no wasted motion.

02:48:58 Speaker_02
But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement. Max ain't gonna be there for that.

02:49:03 Speaker_06
Max can't be there for that. Tall as fuck.

02:49:05 Speaker_02
Yeah.

02:49:06 Speaker_06
And if Max can catch him and hurt him the way Jai Herbert did, you know, with something sneaky. And you know Max is prepping, right? He's watching that guy like a hawk.

02:49:14 Speaker_03
Does Volkanovski have anything else on the radar?

02:49:17 Speaker_06
No. I think they're waiting to see what happens.

02:49:20 Speaker_01
Poor Volk. I mean, I personally like to see him rest a little bit anyway.

02:49:25 Speaker_06
I would 100% want to see him rest a lot. I think after those two, he should have never taken a 10 days notice fight with Islam. Never, never, never, never, never. Don't do it. I don't care how much it's tempting.

02:49:37 Speaker_06
And then immediately, three months later, he fights Topuria? After he gets KO'd with a head kick? That seems crazy.

02:49:43 Speaker_01
I mean, as soon as I saw that fight, I was like, Are you kidding me, man? There's no way he's going to be recovered.

02:49:50 Speaker_03
He was probably, you know, before that, he probably felt like, you know, I felt it before. I felt it. I've seen what's coming.

02:49:57 Speaker_01
You know, he took a risk. Look, I don't begrudge him for taking that shot. I think the second fight was even the bigger mistake because you had just been flatlined. And now you've got to cut back down and go back out there on such short notice.

02:50:09 Speaker_06
Right, but no other sport would want a champion to go in there and fight for a title with 10 days notice. They would never ask you to do that anywhere else. That would never happen in boxing. It's never going to happen in a million years in boxing.

02:50:22 Speaker_02
For sure.

02:50:23 Speaker_06
Never.

02:50:23 Speaker_02
And it shouldn't. They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we're crazy.

02:50:27 Speaker_06
Right. That's part of it.

02:50:29 Speaker_01
Plus, all the fighters are still under your control, under contract. It's a bit of a problem.

02:50:35 Speaker_06
That's a bit of a problem. But also, Volkanovsky, he had the choice.

02:50:41 Speaker_02
He's a warrior. He's a savage. He's going to go do it. Yeah, he's a savage. He felt like he could do it. In hindsight it was a bad idea, but in his mind he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend. Hindsight's always 20-20.

02:50:52 Speaker_02
Trying to build his legacy.

02:50:54 Speaker_06
Of course. And look, that's what Aspinall did and he won the title.

02:50:57 Speaker_02
Right, exactly. So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, oh, he shouldn't have took that fight. Exactly.

02:51:03 Speaker_06
He's like Pavlov, that guy's an animal. How's he fighting Pavlich with fucking, what did he have, like how many days notice did he have? It was like seven days.

02:51:11 Speaker_02
Seven days notice.

02:51:12 Speaker_06
And a fucked up rib, couldn't wrestle. It's a wild sport, you know, it's like sometimes guys step in on short notice and it's exciting and they win you know, so it's like The key is like never get out of shape.

02:51:26 Speaker_01
Yeah, and I think with Volkanovsky he was drinking a lot and that was probably more So you saw physically how he looked for the second? It was dad bod instead of him, you know looking right and

02:51:39 Speaker_03
I would never take it back in the day to I I need my camp I'm not gonna I would never because you peek at the right you should be peeking at the right time 100 say when people like well you should always be fight ready but yeah but that's that's easy I said that done you could always be in shape but that's not fight shape and you don't know that until you're fucking back into sparring

02:51:59 Speaker_01
I think if you're always about four weeks out like that's probably again, right, right and you get ten days You know pull that out, and if you maintain a respectable level of cardio.

02:52:11 Speaker_06
Yeah, but what if you're Volk and you're drinking not again Not a good idea to lose all that fucking weight.

02:52:18 Speaker_03
Yeah, I can't I used to be a fatty between shit. I You know, when you're staying away from the pizza and pasta for two months, you're like, oh.

02:52:26 Speaker_06
Well, every fighter says that they develop an eating disorder.

02:52:29 Speaker_03
How about Patty?

02:52:29 Speaker_06
Yeah. Patty's the baddie.

02:52:31 Speaker_01
That's a real eating disorder right there, bro.

02:52:34 Speaker_06
Those cheeks on him, he gets huge. He goes hard. He gained 40 pounds in a week. God damn.

02:52:38 Speaker_03
What's going to be happening? What about when he's retired eventually?

02:52:42 Speaker_06
He's going to be a butterbean.

02:52:44 Speaker_03
He already be right between fights.

02:52:47 Speaker_06
It's crazy. Butterbean with that crazy hair. That's him. He does it proudly too, he don't give a fuck. Bro, that Bobby Green fight was a big deal. That was a big deal.

02:52:56 Speaker_03
That was about as... Yeah, that was a big deal. The way he did that was beautiful, man. Kept him at kicking range. And I didn't expect Bobby to shoot, but the second he did, Patty's got nice jiu-jitsu.

02:53:06 Speaker_06
Very sharp off his back. And the other thing was like, you notice how big he looked, because Bobby's big.

02:53:11 Speaker_03
I know.

02:53:12 Speaker_06
Bobby's not a small 55er, and you realize like, damn, he might underestimate how big Patty is at 55. He's fucking pretty big. And those kicks were good.

02:53:21 Speaker_02
He's not a bad fighter.

02:53:23 Speaker_06
Bobby's a very good stand-up fighter.

02:53:25 Speaker_01
For sure.

02:53:25 Speaker_06
Did Bobby get his legs lit up that quick?

02:53:27 Speaker_01
That was a big deal. I expected to see him get tested and he wasn't tested at all. Well, he got an A+.

02:53:33 Speaker_06
But do you think he's ready for the top guys now? Would you put him in there with an Armand Saroukian, you know what I'm saying?

02:53:40 Speaker_02
No, I'd put him in there with the winner of Moicano and Saint Denis.

02:53:50 Speaker_03
I would love to see him fight Moicano. I like Moicano's been going more with his jujitsu lately.

02:53:55 Speaker_02
Moicano's got really good jujitsu. I saw him ball up Chase Hooper. in a grappling tournament.

02:54:03 Speaker_06
And how good is that fucking post-fight interview? He's the best. Give me my fucking money.

02:54:09 Speaker_01
He's funny. He is.

02:54:10 Speaker_06
He's on his podcast. He's funny.

02:54:12 Speaker_01
This guy's a character all of a sudden. He's good.

02:54:14 Speaker_06
Well, he figured it out, man. Some guys figure it out. Colby had to figure it out. He did it his way. Everybody figures it out. You got to get people to be interested.

02:54:25 Speaker_03
Kobe's a retard. Everybody's getting their own way. No, but there's certain things. That's his gig. Once you get into fam ... Listen, the second he spoke about Leon Edwards' dead father, it shows you that he's a fucking piece of shit.

02:54:38 Speaker_03
Kobe, you're a fucking piece of shit.

02:54:40 Speaker_01
Dude, I'm down for none of that. I mean, you don't do that. When Conor was talking about Poirier's wife, like, come on, man. That's like I'm fighting you on the street. I couldn't fight him.

02:54:48 Speaker_06
That's why it's so interesting that a guy like Poirier gets as high as he gets with none of that. Zero.

02:54:55 Speaker_02
Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it. You don't need to cross that line.

02:54:59 Speaker_06
You just need to fuck people up.

02:55:00 Speaker_01
You don't even need to speak English. He's got a good social media presence, though. He shows a sense of humor on social media, so I think that endears people to him as well.

02:55:10 Speaker_06
Bro, and that thing he did when he kicked a soccer ball and then hit it with an arrow?

02:55:14 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah, yeah, that was great.

02:55:14 Speaker_06
Do you know how hard that is to do?

02:55:15 Speaker_01
Yeah.

02:55:16 Speaker_06
Wait, what'd he do? He kicked a soccer ball and then shot it with an arrow. So he kicks it and then drops it.

02:55:22 Speaker_04
Oh, he really shoots arrows? Yes.

02:55:22 Speaker_06
I thought he was just fucking around. No, no, he's really good, man. He's really good at that.

02:55:26 Speaker_03
That guy's right out of the Amazon, that motherfucker.

02:55:28 Speaker_06
But he does that kind of archery. I don't even do that kind of archery. I do archery with, like, releases and fucking everything. It's like this. He nails it, and that's before he beat Adesanya.

02:55:40 Speaker_06
Listen, give me some volume on this, because when he screams, imagine being the neighbor and hearing this. Here, he hits it. Imagine being the neighbor. Call 9-1-1 right away. Get this guy out of here.

02:55:56 Speaker_06
And then you watch him on pay-per-view and like, oh, Jesus Christ, you can't even complain. You can't even say, hey man, I'm trying to take an hour. That's pretty sick.

02:56:05 Speaker_03
Yeah, some guys don't need it. They don't need that extra fucking whatever it is.

02:56:09 Speaker_06
Well, he's got the swag with him as just the stoic warrior coming out and shooting an arrow at you and screaming.

02:56:15 Speaker_02
Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like people are attracted to violence. Yeah. And at the end, like even Robbie Lawler, like people love Robbie. He never said he hated doing it. It was the violence that attracted people.

02:56:28 Speaker_01
Talking about wars, him and both Rory McDonald fights, him and Carlos Conde.

02:56:34 Speaker_06
Oh, my God.

02:56:34 Speaker_01
Right.

02:56:35 Speaker_06
Him and Melvin Manhoef That was crazy he was kicking Robbie's legs so bad it was lifting it was his leg up in the air He's probably having flashbacks of Pete Spratt He was a good striker very good striker dude

02:56:58 Speaker_06
What a crazy time this sport has gone through and all these years like this fight was so horrible to watch man These guys were so busted up. Look at Rory's nose. It's gone. It's just Split open his lips split.

02:57:11 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah his lips hanging off. Oh

02:57:19 Speaker_02
Yeah, this is easily the best fight of all time, right? I'm certainly in the conversation.

02:57:25 Speaker_03
Robbie, you left Price. He knocked out, I forgot who he finished. Nico Price. And then he went off to the sunset.

02:57:32 Speaker_06
And he knocked him out without taking a shot. And that's so easy to say, I want one more after that. But he's going to be a great coach too, and I'm sure he is. But he's also a guy like, you want that guy to be proud of you.

02:57:45 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah.

02:57:46 Speaker_06
It's Robbie Law.

02:57:46 Speaker_02
Yeah, for sure.

02:57:47 Speaker_06
Like, there's something to that if you're getting coached by a guy like that. Look at his face, man.

02:57:51 Speaker_03
Stay in school, kids.

02:57:54 Speaker_06
You better really know what you want if you're gonna do this for a living. Yeah, dude. And you gotta look across and see that shit. This guy's got a fucking Joker smile on him. He's ready to go to war for the fucking final round.

02:58:07 Speaker_03
Shit we've seen some wild fights boys. We're gonna see some wild ones this weekend.

02:58:11 Speaker_06
Yeah, I'm excited I don't know what's gonna happen in the main event. I know you're partial to Murab But I just don't know what's gonna happen. I'm very interested very interested

02:58:20 Speaker_03
He gets past that first round. He gets one clinch. It's gonna be very interesting. They're saying he needs one shot. I'm saying Marab needs one clinch. Not to end the fight, but to do enough damage.

02:58:29 Speaker_06
The thing is, I feel like Sugar is a better striker than Marlin. And Marlin had Marab in trouble. And that's what gives me pause on the feet. You can only take so many of those sniper shots from Sugar. But can he land them?

02:58:42 Speaker_06
And can Marab keep moving and keep threatening and pressure?

02:58:47 Speaker_06
The argument is, there's one guy who's going to win by taking them down and smashing them, and the other guy's going to win by knocking them out on the feet, and we don't know what's going to play out. It's going to be interesting.

02:58:57 Speaker_01
It's going to be fucking phenomenal. The thing that I think that Sean does well, like he got Aljo with it, is, I mean you know Murab's going to be pressuring because that's how he has to beat him. Sean took out Aljo backing up. You know what I mean?

02:59:14 Speaker_01
A lot of guys can't fight moving backwards. He does have the ability to fight moving backwards.

02:59:20 Speaker_06
He's also a great game planner. Him and Tim Walch have a great relationship. They study shit. They find the holes. They knew that Aljo has this tendency to get a little over-anxious and charge in, and he was ready for that.

02:59:34 Speaker_06
I'm just interested to see if he can capitalize, because if he can't, if Murab can get a hold of him, Murab's just a different kind of Wolverine on top of you.

02:59:40 Speaker_01
I think he needs one round, mushing him in the fence, just wear him out, kind of like GSP did with BJ. Wear him out a little bit, slow him down a little bit, and then you can put the pace on him. It's going to be very exciting.

02:59:53 Speaker_03
Some guys are afraid of extending too much energy on a takedown. And he's not going to in that same energy you felt in the first.

03:00:01 Speaker_01
It's coming. You're going to feel in the fifth. Yeah.

03:00:03 Speaker_03
So thousand percent.

03:00:04 Speaker_01
That's what we're dealing with. I'm rooting for Marab. I like I like him. I think he's great.

03:00:10 Speaker_06
Having a gas tank is such a weapon.

03:00:12 Speaker_01
It's another weapon in the arsenal. It really is. Might be the most important because what's the difference what you know if you can't get out there and apply it.

03:00:19 Speaker_06
And Murab's one of them nutty dudes that spars up until the day of the fight, right?

03:00:23 Speaker_03
I've seen that guy clocking rounds. That was just ridiculous. I'm like, wait, he already did five rounds? Why is he going back? It's insane what he does. It's not normal.

03:00:34 Speaker_03
And again, I think that if he doesn't get caught with that perfect shot, he's a hard guy to put away. And he's not gonna stop, he's a little Terminator.

03:00:43 Speaker_06
And he also knows this is his big moment.

03:00:45 Speaker_03
Yeah.

03:00:46 Speaker_03
Also, the pressure is not gonna, he's not, I've already, when he was gonna fight the Pideon, when he had that Pideon fight, before that fight got us on the table, like when they were talking about it, he told me, Marab was like, I don't, he didn't, until he accepted it, like he was like,

03:01:04 Speaker_03
There's so much pressure in this fight. He goes, the history between Georgia and Russia, he goes, this is not just a fight for me. If I lose this, he was so, the pressure was so much, I couldn't even tell you.

03:01:16 Speaker_06
He's repping his country, that's different.

03:01:18 Speaker_03
That's one of my proudest, when he took that fight and the way he handled it, he was different in that fight, even the lead up, he's calling him a bitch, he's dealing with the Russian bully, and so when he won that,

03:01:28 Speaker_03
He that was like that was like the title fight.

03:01:31 Speaker_01
Oh my god It was a dominant performance.

03:01:34 Speaker_06
Oh my goodness. That was a wake-up call for everybody in division Like he can do that to yawn. Oh my god.

03:01:39 Speaker_01
Yon's a strong motherfucker, man And Rob was able to stand with guys like Yon and things so he's definitely not He's not definitely not incapable there.

03:01:48 Speaker_06
No he can fuck you up on the feet, too And that's part of the problem of the guy who's trying to take you down all the time But Sean is such a fucking sniper, and he's so agile his Movement is Switching stances fighting just as good off the left is off the right you can switch stances in the middle of a combination choose angles It's just Kenny keep that fucking animal off of them

03:02:13 Speaker_03
And they're both extremely confident, which I like.

03:02:18 Speaker_06
You know what I'm saying? I love that shit.

03:02:21 Speaker_01
It's exciting. It's a real clash of styles.

03:02:24 Speaker_06
So many fucking good fights these days, man. What a good time to be a fan. Fuck yeah, man. We're spoiled. We're so spoiled. the most.

03:02:34 Speaker_01
I mean, and boxing's making a little comeback, too. Once Gervonta and Ryan Garcia got it on now, it seems like they're starting to make some more fights.

03:02:42 Speaker_06
Well, the Saudis.

03:02:44 Speaker_01
They're bringing the money. What do you think of them? Are they really doing Canelo for $20 or something? You saw what they were saying?

03:02:53 Speaker_05
On the pay-per-view?

03:02:54 Speaker_01
It's only $20?

03:02:55 Speaker_01
Don't quote me, but the prince who runs that Riyadh stuff said he's going to make all pay-per-views $20 because he believes that it would make it more... expose it to more people, grow the audience, we'd still make money and everybody will be able to watch it.

03:03:11 Speaker_06
I wonder how many more people would buy it if it's $20 rather than $70. They might make their money.

03:03:15 Speaker_01
That's I mean, it's what he said he was talking about the if he said he might even do Canelo for free.

03:03:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, he said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating.

03:03:23 Speaker_06
That too. They might.

03:03:25 Speaker_02
Yeah.

03:03:26 Speaker_06
70 bucks is a lot. It's like, isn't it 79?

03:03:29 Speaker_02
Sometimes it's more than that. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a lot.

03:03:33 Speaker_05
It was 20 bucks. I wonder. I wonder how much I mean, it'd be an interesting thing to try.

03:03:37 Speaker_02
Yeah. I didn't know they were gonna start with Canelo, I thought they were starting with Betterbeef, but... I mean, that'd be... And Bebo, yeah. They were talking about doing that for, like, 15 bucks.

03:03:48 Speaker_01
Nobody even knows about them. They should know these two. I know. I mean, they're both sick, sick boxers.

03:03:53 Speaker_06
Isn't Betterbeef 20-0 at 20 knockouts? Yeah.

03:03:56 Speaker_01
Yeah.

03:03:57 Speaker_03
But he's 39. I don't even watch the fucking boxing, to be honest. I can't watch it after the MMA. I just watch the fights. It's hard for me. I mean, I pick my spots. You ever see Ben Whittaker?

03:04:08 Speaker_06
Ben Whittaker? No, Ben Whittaker. You know who Ben Whittaker is? That dude who's got that crazy drunken style?

03:04:13 Speaker_03
Yeah, he's awesome.

03:04:14 Speaker_06
Big, tall, light heavyweight. He's got this wild style. 90 bucks, Shetty.

03:04:18 Speaker_03
Canelo. So much for your $20, right? Next time. Next time, $20. You can find the article. That was $20.

03:04:25 Speaker_06
That becomes $20 a month. Joshua vs. DuBois. Oh, that's a good deal. So you pay for the pay-per-view and then other fights are $20. That's a good deal.

03:04:34 Speaker_01
Yeah, I think so.

03:04:35 Speaker_06
All right, gentlemen, this was a lot of fun. Oh Protect your neck. That's our new name. Yeah, that's it. That's it But our chat group is still cut Gentlemen tell everybody where they can see you new podcast and thank you for doing it.

03:04:48 Speaker_03
I'm very glad you do Dude, thank you for pushing me and planting that seed in my mind. The Matt Serra channel on YouTube. Geeking out with Matt Serra. And I have a good time. It's once a week. You're gonna see me, Phoenix Carnaval, doing X-Men movies.

03:05:10 Speaker_03
Me and Ray Longo talking about our top five gangster movies.

03:05:13 Speaker_06
And you said it's on everything else, too?

03:05:15 Speaker_03
It's on Spotify, it's on YouTube.

03:05:17 Speaker_02
Oh, there it is! The first episode dropped today. So I knew you was gonna ask me this, so I had to Oscar award this shit.

03:05:26 Speaker_02
You can catch me at the Modern Rose in Hollywood, Florida, or you can catch me on MMA Today on SiriusXM's Fight Nation, Theoretically Speaking on ESPN West Palm, Fight Court on YouTube, Laura Sanko's one-on-one, and I'm also partnering with Valerie Energy Drinks.

03:05:45 Speaker_02
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03:05:53 Speaker_01
I like the last part. God damn. John Rollo. Yep. I have ground control back home. Anybody looking to train any mixed martial arts, it's at BMORE MMA and also Shogun Fights, which we have another show coming up on October the 5th.

03:06:09 Speaker_01
And I'm getting ready to open a gym probably within a month or so called Fit Factory. So keep your eyes out for that. Boom. Beautiful.

03:06:16 Speaker_06
All right, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Good times. Always fun.