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Episode: Jesus as the Ultimate Gift (Re-Release)

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Duration: 00:56:21

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How is God’s generosity meant to change us? In the Bible, God’s gifts are intended to bring about transformation in our lives. This generosity challenges our natural tendencies toward selfishness, calling us to live in a community that freely shares and truly loves one another. In this re-released episode from

2019, Tim and Jon explore the teachings of Jesus and the apostles on generosity and ponder the centrality of generosity to the Gospel itself.View more resources on our website →Timestamps Chapter 1: Indiscriminate Gifting (0:00-16:32)Chapter 2: Give to Your Enemies (16:32-33:35)Chapter 3: Grace and Gifts (33:35-45:01)Chapter 4: A Blank Checkbook from Jesus (45:01-56:21)Referenced ResourcesPaul and the Gift by John M. G. Barclay You can find our Generosity theme video here.Check out Tim’s library here.You can experience our entire library of resources in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Show Music“Clouded Thoughts” by goosetaf“Reminisce (feat. HM Surf)” by goosetaf“Murmuration” by Blue Wednesday & ShopanBibleProject theme song by TENTS Show CreditsProduction of today's episode is by Dan Gummel, producer; Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer and remixed this episode for re-release. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.

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In this revisited episode, Tim and Jon from the BibleProject Podcast delve into the biblical theme of generosity, portraying God as the generous host who desires humanity to share in His abundance. The discussion explores how the gift of Jesus exemplifies divine generosity and emphasizes the need for trust in God's provision, challenging the scarcity mentality. They outline expectations of responses to grace, highlighting the responsibility brought by receiving gifts. Key topics include loving enemies, the transformative power of generosity, and creating a community rooted in sharing and love, shaping a deeper understanding of the 'good life' beyond material wealth.

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Hey, this is John Collins at The Bible Project, and this is our fourth and final conversation in a series talking about the theme of generosity in the storyline of the Bible. God is the generous host of all creation.

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He created life in abundance, and he created humanity to share and extend that abundance. But what we find instead is that humans don't trust the host.

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We don't believe there's enough, and we believe that we know the best way to create security in life for ourselves. But our way doesn't create life. It creates mistrust, broken relationships, pain, and death. We don't create abundance.

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We create Babylon. And God's response to the death and destruction of the world that he loves is to give it a gift. This is such a great way of thinking about the calling of Abraham in response to Babylon.

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It continues to give gifts that sow the seeds of a new creation.

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God wants this family to trust in his generosity and to become the blessing to every other family in the world. And as it turns out, they struggle. Now, if you think about it, it's a pretty odd strategy that the Bible is claiming that God has.

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God keeps giving gifts to humans and humans keep ignoring and mistrusting him. But this is God's strategy. And the idea here is perhaps one of the most famous verses in the Christian Bible, John 3.16. God so loved the world that he gave.

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This little one-liner is summarizing the meaning of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection in the language of generosity and giving. God gave to his enemies.

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So, God gave the ultimate gift to humanity, Jesus Christ. And Jesus taught often on giving and generosity, saying things like, it's more blessed to give than to receive.

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So apparently the good life for Jesus actually has very little to do with your economic situation. That there's some other definition of the good life that he is showing and that the Jesus movement is after.

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If it gives you security, it'll be on a different level than economic security.

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So today, we get back to Jesus. How Jesus viewed the generosity of God and how Jesus is the generous gift of God to us. Thanks for joining us. Here we go.

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So, we're talking about theme of generosity through this storyline of the Bible, and we are now going to talk about Jesus and his vision of what this generous thing God's doing.

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Yeah. But the Jesus part of generosity theme in the Bible is in direct response to iterations of the story that have come before it.

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Humanity, given the gift of existence and the world and the opportunity to partner, they squander that by fostering a scarcity mentality and then hoarding and using resources for me and mine.

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I like how you summarized it. You said there was a mistrust in the host. It led to a scarcity mentality, which led to deciding to define good and evil on our own terms to take care of ourselves.

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That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And then forgetting that you do that long enough.

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Yeah. You do that long enough.

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Do that last step long enough. And then you eventually forget that everything you have is a gift in the first place. You begin to think it's actually you and yours and you're responsible for it all.

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Look at what I've done. Look. The name I've made for myself.

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Yeah. Yeah. Isn't this Babylon the great that I have made in my power? Yeah. That's what Nebuchadnezzar says in Daniel. Yeah. You're just like, whoa. Until you think about my own mindset. I mean, I do that every day. Yeah.

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Actually, one of the things I try to do is have little rituals of gratefulness in the first 30 minutes of every day. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Usually it's in the forms of little prayers that I've collected over time. That's awesome. Yeah.

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It's just simple practice, but just every day that greets me as a gift. So why not name it out loud when I wake up? Yeah.

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At the end of the day with Paxton and Sarah, my boys, I always ask them what they're thankful for before bed. Half the time they'll play along and they're thankful for their mom and for me and friends and stuff.

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And then we'll just thank God for that and then they'll go to bed. But half the time there's like nothing. Or as Sarah says, noshin. I'm thankful for noshin. And then I just go, okay, well, I'll tell you what I'm thankful for.

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And then we pray for that. Oh, human nature. So in response to human abuse of the divine generosity, God

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chooses one family to give the super gift to, the family of Abraham, great abundance, great favor, rescuing them from terrible enslaving empires and gives them the gift of a new Eden, so to speak, in the promised land.

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And it's also, the gift is unconditioned to Israel, but it's not unconditional. This is my little beef with the phrase unconditional grace. It's not unconditional. It's unconditioned. What's the difference?

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If I give you a gift that's unconditioned, it means there's nothing that you've done to make me want to give you the gift. I'm just giving you the gift. There were no conditions. But once I've given you the gift, there now are conditions.

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There are conditions to show your gratefulness for the gift. I give it to you. It's an unconditioned gift.

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It's a free gift.

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given with great expectation of return. And that's for sure the setup with the land in the story of Israel.

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I guess that's the gift of co-ruling too, right? Like, there's nothing humans did to deserve to be co-rulers with God over creation. But now that we've been given that gift, it comes with these conditions, which is to trust His wisdom.

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Yeah, and listen and obey. This is a distinction made by a New Testament scholar named John Barclay. A really important book called Paul and the Gift.

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It's probably the most important study about the concept of grace in the New Testament that's been written in many generations. I've only read sections of it.

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But even just that little distinction, I think, helps clarify what we mean when we say free grace or pure grace. Because both Moses and the apostles have pretty high expectations.

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Yeah. You don't have to read far into scripture to find expectations for how you deal with this.

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Yeah, how you respond to the grace. But the grace was given to you without any conditions that you fulfilled to receive the gift. But now that you've been given the gift, there are expectations of return.

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What was the book again?

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Carclay? Paul and the Gift. Paul and the Gift. Yeah, it's a focus on Paul's letters, but as a gateway to the whole New Testament theology of grace.

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So it's unconditioned gift that has conditions once you've been given it, and that is be faithful to God's wisdom, which includes be generous. All these laws to Israel about sharing the goodness of the land with people who are in hard situations.

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And the Exodus creating equal playing field.

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It's an interesting way to just think about life in general. Like, why do I exist? Why am I a conscious being with the body getting to live in the world? I didn't do anything. I just woke up and here I have it. It's unconditioned gift.

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But now that I have it, there's a responsibility of using it in a way that's good.

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Yeah, that imitates the generosity of the one who gave me the gift.

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Yeah.

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Israel's inability to imitate that or their refusal to imitate God's generosity is what landed them in exile and by the time of Jesus back in the land, but still very difficult situation.

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And this idea of exile and slavery becomes a way to think about not just one nation in one particular time in history, It's a way for Paul to talk about just the human condition of being captured by evil.

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Greater forces and powers of evil that enslave us. That's the message of the Hebrew scriptures.

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And then Jesus and Paul believe that the time has come when God is bringing about the great liberation, not just from a human institution of slavery, but in a cosmic slavery to evil. and selfishness that all humanity has undergone.

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That is the meaning of Jesus' great announcement when he shows up on the scene saying the reign of God has arrived. The reign against that evil.

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Yeah, we're meant to see him as a Moses-like figure marching up into Pharaoh's court and saying, let my people go. The new exodus is taking place. God's the one actually in charge.

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And he's not marching up to Pharaoh, he's marching up to... Yeah, he goes out to the wilderness

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The powers and authorities. Confront something dark, terrible, that's connected to that snake and connected to all the other crazy stuff that we've talked about in the last year.

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Powers of evil that lure us into self-destruction, into choosing self-destruction. So, yeah, Jesus comes onto the scene announcing the kingdom of God is here, and what's the proper way to respond to that?

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And Matthew gives us a condensed form of it, and he calls it the good news of the kingdom at the end of Matthew 4. We call it the Sermon on the Mount.

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But Jesus goes around announcing the good news of the kingdom, teaching and proclaiming in their synagogues as Matthew 4, and then it raises the question in the reader like, oh, I wonder what it would be like to

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Here, Jesus, give one of those teaching sessions. And then he plops Matthew 5 and 7 in front of you. The Sermon on the Mount. So lots of things going on in the Sermon on the Mount, but generosity is a big part of it.

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So he gets to the part where he's critiquing Israel's misunderstanding of the laws of the Torah. This is Matthew 5. There's six sayings of Jesus where he says, listen, you've heard what it said, and he'll quote from a law in the Torah.

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And then he will respond and say, but I say to you, in light of my role as the giver of the Messianic Torah, which fulfills, it doesn't cancel, it fulfills the purpose of the laws of the Torah. And then he'll show what the whole point was all along.

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So he gets in Matthew 5, 43, you have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, this is paused right there.

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So first of all, there's no verse in the Old Testament that says love your neighbor and hate your enemy.

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There is none. I have a footnote, Leviticus 19.18. 19.18 is the love your neighbor. That's the love your neighbor.

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Love your neighbor as yourself. Yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah, Leviticus 19.18. So there's a verse that says that.

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So, in other words, what Jesus is quoting is not just the laws of the Torah, but how the laws of the Torah have been interpreted and are being practiced by Israel of his day. That's interesting that hate your enemy was added.

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Yeah, and I think what he's paraphrasing is here's how we are all actually living.

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Yeah. Here's how y'all are actually- In our own wisdom, we think loving our neighbor means we need to hate our enemy. That's right. Because neighbor- I guess that makes sense because your neighbor is not your enemy. It's your neighbor.

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It's your neighbor. And to help protect your neighbor, we have a common enemy. Correct. Let's band together.

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So here's how the world works. We reserve love for people in our tribe. Yeah. And if you're not in my tribe, you're a suspect or the object of my hate. Here's life in post-Eden world.

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You love your neighbor, take care of you and yours, but if it's at the expense of others or in opposition to others, so be it.

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This is the logic in our parable of the guys at the party.

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Yeah, totally.

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Doesn't make sense? If we're going to take care of the people we care about, we can't take care of everybody. Yeah, we actually have to fight against other people. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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So here's Jesus' response to that. He says, here's what I say. Love your enemies. Pray for people who are actively hostile to you so that you may be sons of your heavenly father.

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So sons, imitators, people in the family of God who act like, carry on the family ethic. Really?

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The family ethic is to love your enemies.

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To love people and be generous to people that hate you and are actively hostile to you.

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Yeah.

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Jesus, how do you know that about the heavenly father? Look at the reason he gives. Well, think about it. He causes his son. Yeah. His son.

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He created the son.

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To rise on the evil and the good. And he sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. This is back to like when he was talking about the ravens and the flowers. Yeah. Let's just think about nature for a second. Creation theology. Yeah.

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But this is good. So the ultimate cause behind the sun is my father. So it's his son. And here's something I observe is that, you know, my family gets up in the morning and they're Torah observant and practice the Shema and the sun shines on them.

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But man, you know, Yirmeyahu down the street, that old cudgel. Yirmeyahu, that's Hebrew for Jeremiah. Old Yirmiyahu down the street, you know? Yeah. Oh, he's a grouch. He's a glutton. He yells at the kids. Yeah. Yeah.

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His wife died and he got all this family money and he doesn't share it with anybody. He's not a good person. And his skin looks great tan at the end of every summer.

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Because the sun shines on him too.

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Because the sun shines on him. He doesn't deserve that. But God, my father gives him the sunshine anyway. Yeah. That's it. Or, yeah, old man Azarahu. Azarahu. He's a grouch and he's mean. Oh, that guy.

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He's taken advantage of his neighbors when they went into debt. You see that guy turn the other direction. Yeah, yeah. And one, actually, his other neighbor went into debt and he bought his land right out from under him.

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and made him now a slave on his own land. And man, he had a great crop this year because the rain that fell on our land to give a good crop also fell on his.

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God is so, his generosity extends to people who you think deserve it and don't deserve it.

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And who don't deserve it. And so if that's how God's ordered creation, to give a space for people who deserve to exist and people who, in my humble opinion, don't deserve to exist, then what should that tell me about God's character? And if I am

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part of God's family, how should I behave towards them? Well, so he goes on, if you love only those who love you, what reward is that? He's using honor-shame language here. Don't even the tax collectors do the same?

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They know how to network and befriend the people who will benefit them and they'll benefit them. That kind of thing. If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than anybody else? That's what everybody does.

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That's what the non-Israelites do. Right. We're called to something greater. So therefore you be, most of our English translations read perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. But yes, teleos, whole, without gaps, without cracks or fissures or gaps.

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Complete. Complete. Solomon made the temple out of complete stones. whole, apparently being a whole human, truly human.

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A human with no fissures and gaps and cracks.

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Yeah, is one who truly imitates the generosity of the Heavenly Father.

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Life that is truly life.

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Here, it's a little bit different than the raven and the flowers teaching, where it's like foster the abundance mindset. Here it's foster the un, what do you call this, indiscriminate? Yeah, indiscriminate. Indiscriminate generosity and care. Yeah.

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Because that's how creation itself, that's how the abundance of creation is ordered to share generosity with indiscriminately. Yeah.

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Unless humans start discriminating and then that creates the world that he's critiquing right here, which is you share and love only those who will benefit you.

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This is what happens in Les Miserables with Jean Valjean. He's the enemy.

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That's right, yes. He's the convict.

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He shouldn't get rewarded for what he does. He steals. He's given an unconditioned gift. But he treats it as a gift that needs to change the way he lives.

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Yeah, that's exactly right. This is love your neighbor as yourself and love your enemies. This is a hallmark of Jesus' concept of the new humanity and the kingdom of God. And it's not just for him a good ethical teaching.

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It's the way to be human that we've apparently lost. It's the way that we're meant to be because it's the way that God is. It's the way that God has operated in this whole story so far. He keeps giving gifts to people who don't love him.

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Yeah, to people you would, they're seemingly enemies to him in his ways.

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This teaching is a way of thinking about the whole story of Jesus himself and what he represents. That he's here to be that complete human on behalf of a humanity that has failed to be the humans that God called them to be.

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So he is that, and he indiscriminately dispenses God's generosity and love to the tax collectors and prostitutes and fishermen and Pharisees that he meets. He just shares God's generosity with all of them.

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It's interesting, a scarcity mentality, we don't trust the host, leads on one end of the spectrum to enslaving people. enslaving your enemies. And then you get this end of the spectrum where Jesus is saying, pray for and love your enemies.

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Like it's the ultimate generous act. You have to really believe there is abundance and there is enough if you're going to try to hook up your enemies.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Like you really have to believe it.

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Yeah, that's true. That's a good way of putting it. Yes, if you don't, you won't share and love.

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Because those are the first people who are going to turn on you.

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Yeah, that's right.

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As soon as there's not enough, those are the first people that are going to take what they need at the expense of you. They're your enemies.

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Yes, that's right. So think, Jesus is giving a teaching here that is itself a summary of his whole life and mission. Yeah, right.

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He is, as we're going to see, this is how the apostles came to talk about, they used the language of this teaching to talk about the meaning of Jesus.

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He was the gift of God's own love to Israel and humanity, to God's own enemies, his own people who had become his enemies. And what did they do with the gift? They kill him. Yeah.

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It's sort of like when you meet somebody who's just so awesome and generous and amazing that both you're basking in the goodness of their just kindness and generosity, but you also, it exposes inside your own self that you're not like that.

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And then there's shame or guilt. I guess that'd be a self-aware response. Another response would be resentment. Yeah, envy. Suspicion. Something's off. There's some strings attached here. I can't actually trust this person.

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Yeah, they're not really, they can't really be, nobody's like this. Yeah. It's sort of like sometimes people's generosity and kindness magnifies my own like screwed up, distorted self.

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Yeah.

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And there's something like that in the story being told in the Gospels, where Jesus exposes the bankruptcy of Israel at that moment.

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And so his loving generosity and his confidence to critique Israel's lack of generosity and love is what gets him killed. It's just that thing you were just talking about. If you give gifts to your enemies, there's a chance it won't change them.

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It won't do what the gift did to Jean Valjean. It won't change them.

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It won't change them, and then when the rubber hits the road and there's not enough, they're the first ones that are going to turn on you. That's right.

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It's an interesting way to think about what's happening on the cross.

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So coupled with this kind of freedom in the generous life and the generous mindset comes also an expectation or maybe it seems like you should expect that at the same time you will suffer the way Jesus suffers. Or be taken advantage of.

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It's not, this isn't like a life hack that's gonna make sure your life is gonna be awesome. This isn't like, be generous and now you're gonna experience the life you've always dreamed.

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Yeah, totally. Sure didn't for Jesus.

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Didn't for Jesus. And man, for a lot of the first followers of Jesus. Yeah, that's right.

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Man. Yeah, that's right.

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Really rough go.

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Totally. Yeah. So if your definition of the good life, Yeah. Is simply on the level of economic security and prosperity. Yeah. And a stable social web.

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Yeah.

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Then yeah, this mindset did not produce that for Jesus or for the apostle. No. So there must be some other frame of reference.

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Because part of me wants to go, oh, and then you will actually get the stable life you've always wanted. It's not guaranteed in this.

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Yeah, you might, you might. You might. It could generate that.

00:21:47 Speaker_01
I feel like God's given that to me. Like I feel very secure. Yeah. And it's like the danger of abundance is very clear in my life of like making sure it doesn't turn me into my own Nebuchadnezzar.

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Nebuchadnezzar. Yeah, totally. I think that's the unique moment in human history that is the middle class, the upper middle, even much of what we call the lower class in Western capitalist democracies. It is material abundance. Yeah.

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And I do practice generosity. But as I do, and I think forward, it's still a danger. It's not like a foolproof plan to make sure there won't be bad stuff in your life. Like, who knows what'll happen.

00:22:36 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so apparently the good life for Jesus actually has very little to do with your economic situation. Clearly, for him, that there's some other definition of the good life that he's showing and that the Jesus movement is after.

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And it might give you security. Oh, if it gives you security, it'll be on a different level than economic security.

00:23:03 Speaker_01
Okay, this is why I brought up the shrewd manager too. He gets a different kind of security. The security is now in the relationships, right?

00:23:10 Speaker_00
Yeah, yeah. Okay, you're talking about Jesus' parable of the shrewd manager. He knows he's gonna get fired. He knows he's gonna get fired. So he literally rewrites the accounts.

00:23:18 Speaker_01
Yeah, he just decides to be radically generous.

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Yeah, he cooks the books. He already knows that he's not trusted. So he does one last act of untrustworthiness, which is to rewrite the books. To be generous to all these people. So that all these relationships will... It's a new security.

00:23:35 Speaker_01
And I've thought about that before, like in terms of if I'm too generous or if just things go poorly in life, even despite of my generosity or lack of it. Ultimately, what is the thing that brings the most security?

00:23:49 Speaker_01
It's the love of community around you who will love you like they love themselves.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And that's the kind of community that is built out of generosity.

00:24:02 Speaker_00
That's right. And I think that is the outgrowth of a teaching like Jesus that we just read, where if you're not only loving the people in your tribe that you're supposed to benefit and they're supposed to benefit you. That's how that network operates.

00:24:17 Speaker_00
But then if you even begin to spread kindness and generosity outside that circle, that's exactly right. It creates, it breaks the spiral of hostility between tribal groups and it creates, it extends the family. It's like you're extending the family.

00:24:33 Speaker_00
You're treating people like family who aren't technically your family. That's how the apostles come to talk about the story of Jesus as a whole. Think about, here's three lines from the Gospel of John and the letters of John.

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One of them is really famous. John 3, 16. God so loved the world. And in the Gospel of John, the world is, for the most part, hostile to God and his purposes. So the world that God is loving is a world that hates and rejects and ultimately will kill.

00:25:03 Speaker_01
What's the Greek word there for world?

00:25:04 Speaker_00
Kosmos.

00:25:05 Speaker_01
Kosmos. Yep.

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God.

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He loves the universe.

00:25:08 Speaker_00
He loves the cosmos. Well, kosmos is connected to the word cosmetics. Kosmos means just to bring order to.

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Oh, the ordered.

00:25:15 Speaker_00
the ordered world. Yeah, the cosmos. So God loves the cosmos so much that he gave his one and only son so that the one who believes in him won't perish, but have life of the age, life of the new age.

00:25:30 Speaker_01
Eternal life is how it's usually translated, but literally it's life of the age.

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Yeah, life of the age, which in Jewish thinking, there's this age and the age to come. Age of death, Yeah, and he's talking about the life of the next age that has begun already.

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So, in other words, this is a little one-liner that's summarizing the meaning of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection in the language of generosity and giving. God gave to his enemies. It's exactly what Jesus said on the Sermon on the Mount.

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Because the cosmos is in rebellion against him.

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Yeah. Yeah, the cosmos is selfish, it's an arena of death, and what God does is give a great gift.

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And embedded in there is... The world that he ordered has created a disorder.

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Yeah, it's hijacked.

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It's hijacked into disorder and chaos.

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It's the pool room in our parable. Yeah, and God's response to the death and destruction of the world that he orders and that he loves is to give it a gift.

00:26:30 Speaker_00
I think this is such a great way of thinking about the calling of Abraham in response to Babylon, Genesis 11, Genesis 12. Gave Abraham a gift.

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Or the response of Genesis 3.15 of the promise of a future descendant who will crush the snake in response to humans eating from the tree. It continues to give gifts that sow the seeds of a new creation. 1 John chapter 3.

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See how great a love the Father has given to us, that we would be called children of God. And that is what we are. The language of gift-giving is really important in the Gospel and Letters of John. It's a key motif for him.

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All this giving language is gift-giving terminology. So you were sons of or children of Adam, children of death and children of selfishness. Yeah, yeah. Children of the evil one. But God gives just straight up gift, unconditioned gift.

00:27:33 Speaker_00
And again, this is short form. Well, how do you become children of God? Well, it's through the story of Jesus. How did that happen? God becomes human to be the human we're meant to be, but failed to be.

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He dies for us and gives us his life and sonship as a gift. That's what he means.

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That's the shorthand.

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He can pack all of that into just God loves us and gave us a gift that we too could be God's children.

00:27:56 Speaker_01
Part of that gift, too, is then God's Spirit empowering to be able to live that way.

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Bringing us into the life and love of the Father and the Son. The language of gift-giving permeates the letters of Paul. A famous passage in Romans chapter 8, verse 31, he says, what should we say in response to all this?

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If God is for us, who is against us? My enemies. The one who didn't spare his own son, but gave him over for us all. Won't he also freely gift us with everything?

00:28:35 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:28:36 Speaker_00
Yeah. Dude, he's got so many Hebrew Bible stories in his mind. You can just see it coming out. Sparing, you didn't spare your own son. Yeah. That's Isaac and Abraham story. That's exactly the phrase from Isaac and Abraham.

00:28:50 Speaker_00
Except now God is the Abraham figure and Jesus is the Isaac figure. Yeah. And so the agony

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and trust that Abraham had to experience as he trusted his son to God only to receive him back, so to speak, is a framework for thinking about the father handing over the son.

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It seems like he's also saying here, you know, if you can't trust that God is a generous host, But then look what he did with this gift of his son. And if that can't get you there to a place of trust, then he's a generous host.

00:29:31 Speaker_00
What else can get you there? Paul's persuasion here is to say, yeah, you can trust God as the ultimate gift giver to give us the new creation. How can I trust that?

00:29:43 Speaker_00
Well, look what he did with his most precious, precious gift to us, which is to let us kill. Let us bring death into his own life and love in the heartbeat between the father and the son. It's a great verse. Oh, dude.

00:30:00 Speaker_00
If God is for us, who is against us? And that's not just, I mean, that is inspirational. It is. But what does he mean by God is for us?

00:30:07 Speaker_01
Well, as you unpack that into, I can trust in new creation, which means I can live like it's begun.

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I can live like there is truly enough. And I can live like there's truly enough. That's right.

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If the resurrection of Jesus means that the new creation has broken in and arrived, if I live in a scarcity mindset, that's because I've forgotten the good news. of the resurrection and of new creation. That's cool. It's really cool.

00:30:33 Speaker_00
Think about this phrase from the letter of James, Jesus' brother. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above coming down from the father of lights with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

00:30:50 Speaker_00
Now I'm just plucking this out of context. It actually comes in a sequence. It's really cool in James chapter one, but it's also a good one-liner. Both because of the gift imagery, but also the Genesis 1 imagery.

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Father of lights? Yeah, the father of lights. That he created the sun, moon, and stars? Is that what that's referring to?

00:31:07 Speaker_00
Yeah, and what's their other name? Elohim. The sons of God. The sons of Elohim. The lights are the host of heaven, can be called in Hebrew the sons of Elohim, the sons of God.

00:31:20 Speaker_00
And then, notice, but then he says, so God's the creator of the lights, and they are part of his family, spiritual beings, meant to image him, and so on.

00:31:28 Speaker_00
But one thing about the hosts of heaven is they're constantly moving around, their brightness fades and shines, they twinkle, they vary. or shifting shadow. I think he's talking here about the movements and the twinkling of the stars.

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Their glory fades in and out. And their father is not like that. He's constant life and light. And so that's his framework then, out of that glorious life and light comes to us, and then he uses gift language.

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Every good thing that we receive in God's good world is a gift coming from the ultimate eternal source of life and light. This is such a great line. You can tell he just thought about Genesis 1 for days and days and days.

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And he looked at the stars and he saw them twinkling. He thought about the nature of God who created the stars.

00:32:25 Speaker_00
He had a good cup of whatever tea he drank back then. He saw his children playing.

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Whatever leaves they were mashing into hot water.

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Yeah, totally. Yeah, he heard his children laughing. He saw the sunrise and he's just like, what a gift. And every breath, everything, it's all a gift. Yeah. It's a beautiful view of the world, if you have the faith to trust that it's true. Yeah.

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Which can be hard to believe, especially when life is sucking.

00:32:58 Speaker_00
Yeah. Which it does for a lot of people a lot of the time. Yeah.

00:33:35 Speaker_01
But what is the solution to that is to generously love others, to alleviate suffering.

00:33:45 Speaker_00
Yes. So let's let that turn us to the last place I want us to focus here. All this biblical theology of gift giving, generosity in the midst of hardship. There's two chapters in Paul's corpus of letters.

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where he just, it's like, it all comes together in a beautiful set of chapters. It's in 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9.

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We've talked about this, I think, yeah, this chapter is related to Paul's, one of his big projects, which was to raise money to give to the poor in Jerusalem. Correct. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so there was a famine that hit Judea. Famines happen.

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Famines happen. There's a lot of people hitting hard times. And so Paul gets all of these church plants that's full of all these non-Jewish people to raise money and give it as a gift to their spiritual ancestors, so to speak. Yeah.

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Messianic Jews in Jerusalem. Here's the backstory. In 1 Corinthians, he ends the letter saying, hey, you guys, remember when I was there, we talked about how every week you're going to be setting aside money when you gather for worship and the meal.

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You're going to set aside money to save up because I'm going to come or I'm going to send somebody to come and collect it pretty soon and then take it to Jerusalem. That's what this is about. He told them that in 1 Corinthians.

00:35:02 Speaker_01
Okay.

00:35:03 Speaker_00
And then what he's discovered, as we're going to see, is that they haven't been saving up.

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And so he's in a difficult situation because what he needs to tell them as their church planting founder is, dude, be generous, be generous and save up the money. And you said you were going to do it anyway. So like, why haven't you been doing it?

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But Paul's normal tactic is not to like leverage his authority and just bring the hammer. He always uses a loving type of persuasion because that's what God did with him. And so that's how, so watch how he navigates this. It's fascinating.

00:35:38 Speaker_00
2 Corinthians chapter 8. So brothers, brothers and sisters, I want to tell you about the grace of God that has been given to the churches of Macedonia. So let's just pause. The word grace in Greek is the word charis. It is the same word as gift.

00:35:54 Speaker_01
There's no other word.

00:35:55 Speaker_00
Well, there actually are some other words for gift, but the word karas as a noun is the word gift. And then as a verb, charizomai, it's the word to give a gift. It's also the most common word in the New Testament for forgive. To forgive.

00:36:11 Speaker_00
To forgive someone when they wrong you is to give them the gift of forgiveness. So the very concept of forgiveness in the Greek New Testament is generosity, gift giving. We give each other gifts.

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And the word grace is the word gift.

00:36:27 Speaker_00
The word grace, yeah. So he's going to use the word, this word charis to mean a few different things here, but it's all connected, it's a concept. Same word, okay. So some gift has been given. I'm just going to use the word gift. Okay.

00:36:40 Speaker_00
I want to make known to you the gift of God that's been given to the churches in Macedonia. Oh, did they get some money?

00:36:47 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:36:48 Speaker_00
In a great ordeal of affliction, their abundance of joy and their deep poverty overflowed in wealth and liberality.

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I'm telling you, according to their ability, no, no, excuse me, beyond their ability, they gave of their own accord to put their money in the pot.

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In fact, they were begging us, urging us for the gift of participating in this act of service to the saints in Jerusalem.

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They thought it was a gift to be able to give.

00:37:24 Speaker_00
Yes. And he says in verse 5, we were not expecting this. But here's what they did. First, they gave themselves to the Lord, and then they gave themselves to us by the will of God. Notice that he's using gift and giving in all these creative ways here.

00:37:40 Speaker_00
Right. So, yeah, you tell me.

00:37:43 Speaker_01
You didn't highlight the word gave there. I should have. You should have. Okay, got it.

00:37:47 Speaker_00
Yeah, totally.

00:37:48 Speaker_01
So, yeah. He's doing a little shame on you. It's a little shame on you. To the Corinthians. That's what I was gonna say.

00:37:53 Speaker_00
He totally is. That's exactly what he's doing.

00:37:56 Speaker_01
These guys in Macedonia, they're afflicted and they're poor.

00:38:00 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:38:01 Speaker_01
But in spite of that, they gave him a crazy generous gift that we didn't even expect.

00:38:08 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:38:08 Speaker_01
Because we're like, these guys are poor.

00:38:10 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:38:10 Speaker_01
Why would they give us this money?

00:38:11 Speaker_00
Yeah, we're not gonna ask them to give, because we know they have nothing.

00:38:15 Speaker_01
Yeah. And they did it, and it was even beyond what they should be capable of doing. But for them, it was their honor. Like, they found it a gift to them to be able to do it. In their mindset.

00:38:29 Speaker_00
Yeah, in their mindset, it was a gift. They received a gift by having the chance to give a gift.

00:38:34 Speaker_01
Greater to give than to receive. And then he also says, it's interesting, he says, they gave themselves first to the Lord and to us. That you can't be this kind of generous person if you haven't already given your life over.

00:38:52 Speaker_01
Like that's the first step of generosity. It's like you have to give yourself over to a new king, a new mentality of not scarcity and of believing in a generous host. That then becomes- Yeah, the motivator.

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Yeah, that's right. It's cool. It's really cool. It gets even cooler. Verse 7. Listen, just as you guys, Corinthians, just as you guys overflow in everything, in faith, in utterances, in knowledge, in earnestness, in love that we inspired in you.

00:39:22 Speaker_00
So he's saying, listen, you guys are pretty awesome followers of Jesus.

00:39:27 Speaker_01
buttering them up.

00:39:28 Speaker_00
Yeah, totally. It's like, you trust God. Hey, you're, you're really smart. A lot of educated theologians there. Right. You're earnest. Yeah. See too, that you abound in this gift also. Yeah. This gift that I just talked about in the Macedonians. Yeah.

00:39:42 Speaker_00
I would love to see you grow in this area too. Yeah. And then he says, listen, I'm not speaking a command.

00:39:49 Speaker_01
Like you don't have to do this. You don't have to give to this charity effort that I'm raising money for.

00:39:54 Speaker_00
Correct.

00:39:55 Speaker_01
Yeah. I'm not going to command you to do it. This is Paul, the development officer right now.

00:39:59 Speaker_00
It is. Totally. Totally. Look at what he says. He says, this is a new American standard translation, which I'm kind of going to summarize. The English is a bit difficult here.

00:40:07 Speaker_00
I'm not giving you a command, but I'm giving you a chance to prove through the earnestness of others, the sincerity of your love too. So I just gave you this example of the earnestness of others.

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And now I'm telling you, you have a chance to step up to the plate and prove your love too.

00:40:25 Speaker_01
You don't have to do it, but if you don't, I'm not sure if you really love God.

00:40:30 Speaker_00
Yeah, or just, but he... That sounds kind of like... Comparing them to the earnestness of others.

00:40:35 Speaker_00
His point is actually, he's exalting the Macedonians and saying, I told you about them because I want you to prove that you are just as generous and affected by the love of God as them.

00:40:47 Speaker_01
You know, this can seem a little sneaky or manipulative, which I think I'm reading in from my legalistic background a little bit. But there is something about seeing someone else's radically generous life that is very motivating.

00:41:05 Speaker_01
Totally you hear you hear someone's story. Yeah, you see someone do something in and then you see the joy that came out of it Yes, that's right. And that is Incredibly motivated.

00:41:15 Speaker_00
That's right. Yep factor number one factor number two is that these are people Paul is known for years. Mm-hmm these are people that he never asked a penny from and when he was living and starting the church.

00:41:28 Speaker_00
He funded his own church planting efforts by making tents. And he's recently, they've just had a huge conflict and they just wrote to him. He talks about it earlier in this very letter that they wrote and said they were sorry and that he forgives them.

00:41:43 Speaker_00
So he's got history with these people. And so he can just get right to it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He does have to beat around the bush. We're listening in on a conversation between very close people. Got it.

00:41:55 Speaker_00
And he's pouring on the rhetoric here because he knows he can.

00:41:58 Speaker_01
Yeah. He's gained their trust. Totally.

00:42:00 Speaker_00
Yeah. So that's important. Yeah. That's important. Got it. Okay. To me then, this is the heartbeat. So he says, you're growing in all these other areas. I want you to grow in this grace too.

00:42:11 Speaker_00
I'm giving you a chance to prove that you're as awesome as I know you are.

00:42:15 Speaker_00
Verse 9, for you know the gift, there's our grace word again, you know the gift of our Lord Jesus Messiah, that even though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you, through his poverty, might become rich.

00:42:31 Speaker_00
He's summarizing the narrative of the story of Jesus in economic gift giving. Through the theme of generosity. Through the theme of generosity. Because the word grace is the word gift, generous gift.

00:42:44 Speaker_00
In other words, our concept of generous gift is what the word grace means in the New Testament.

00:42:50 Speaker_01
Because of the generous gift, the Lord Jesus Christ, he was rich. He had everything he could want.

00:42:56 Speaker_00
Correct.

00:42:56 Speaker_01
He had the love of the Father. Yeah.

00:42:58 Speaker_00
Here he's reflecting on pre-incarnate Jesus. Yeah.

00:43:02 Speaker_01
He had the love of the Father. Security.

00:43:05 Speaker_00
Status.

00:43:06 Speaker_01
Power. Yeah, everything you'd want. But he wanted something more, which was us and our hearts. And so for that, he gave up his status.

00:43:18 Speaker_00
Correct. Yeah.

00:43:19 Speaker_00
He becomes poor, which is this same idea, different vocabulary as in Philippians 2, where he says he was in his very nature God, but he didn't consider his equality with God something to be grabbed, to be taken or used for his own advantage.

00:43:37 Speaker_00
It doesn't just mean to take, he has it, but something to be grasped and used for his own advantage. Rather, he emptied himself.

00:43:46 Speaker_01
He saw his abundance as an opportunity to be generous.

00:43:49 Speaker_00
Correct. Yeah, that's right. That's the family ethic. It is.

00:43:53 Speaker_01
To see your abundance as an opportunity to be generous to others. That's right.

00:43:56 Speaker_00
So that they can experience the thing that I experienced.

00:43:59 Speaker_01
Yeah, which then it snowballs. You do that. And then those who are poor become rich. Through poverty.

00:44:07 Speaker_00
And notice, think up to the Macedonians. He's also playing this off the Macedonian story, but they're acting like Jesus in their poverty. They're making others rich.

00:44:17 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:44:17 Speaker_00
And similar to Jesus, the irony is that he was rich and then chose to become poor so that through his poverty, what upside down world.

00:44:28 Speaker_01
Yeah, what a backwards way to try to find security in life.

00:45:01 Speaker_00
So, 2 Corinthians chapter 8 verse 9 is just, it's beautiful. It's a one liner of Paul's that captures the essence of the story of Jesus through the language of gift giving and generosity.

00:45:15 Speaker_00
And his point is material generosity is the only reasonable response to the gift that has been given us in the life of Jesus.

00:45:26 Speaker_00
If you aren't materially sharing with others, it shows there's some deep disconnect in how you think about the Christian faith. I think that's what he's saying.

00:45:37 Speaker_01
Which means all of us have a deep disconnect with how we think about the Christian faith.

00:45:42 Speaker_00
Yeah, totally.

00:45:42 Speaker_01
Because who doesn't struggle?

00:45:44 Speaker_00
That's right, yeah.

00:45:45 Speaker_01
With materialism.

00:45:48 Speaker_00
Yeah, totally. And that brings us all the way back to, I think that's why generosity themes, generosity and scarcity themes are right there in Genesis 3. It's because it's part of the human condition. Is there enough? To people who have more than enough,

00:46:05 Speaker_00
They're sitting there wondering, is there enough? If there's not, maybe there's not enough. I need to do something about that. And that's how it all gets started.

00:46:13 Speaker_00
And it makes sense then that the solution to that in Jesus is another act of generous, abundant giving.

00:46:22 Speaker_01
The generous gift of Jesus shouldn't leave you going, is there enough? The generous gift of Jesus should do what Romans 8 said. If God wouldn't spare his own son, then why would he withhold anything? There is enough.

00:46:40 Speaker_00
That's exactly right. So, being a follower of Jesus involves a lot of things. But one of them is trusting that in the life of Jesus, I have been given the ultimate gift.

00:46:56 Speaker_00
It includes that my own failures and sins have been accounted for in Jesus' death on my behalf. that the death that I've introduced into the world through my selfishness and hoarding and whatever sin, that that's dealt with on the cross.

00:47:12 Speaker_00
But equally important to that story and to the gift is the resurrection and the dawn of the new creation, the birth of the new creation where there is enough for me and for everybody. That's what the resurrection means. And so

00:47:26 Speaker_00
It's fostering, cultivating that alternative view of reality.

00:47:30 Speaker_01
Because ultimately, what are we scared of with scarcity? Ultimately, we're scared of death. Yeah, that's right. And so resurrection proves that that actually isn't the final enemy. That isn't something to be scared of.

00:47:48 Speaker_00
Yes, that's exactly right.

00:47:50 Speaker_00
Yeah, death, which is why Paul will go on in Romans 8 after that thing that he quotes, and he says, I'm convinced that neither death nor life nor angels or powers, so spiritual powers, the things present or the things to come, the present or the future,

00:48:09 Speaker_00
nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing can separate us from the love of God, which is in Messiah Jesus our Lord." Did Romans 8. What you just said is what he's getting poetic about in Romans chapter 8.

00:48:27 Speaker_00
And it's the most difficult thing to do, to foster that alternative view of the world, the abundance mindset.

00:48:34 Speaker_01
But it is the family ethic.

00:48:36 Speaker_00
It's the family ethic.

00:48:37 Speaker_01
I like to use that phrase, I get stuck.

00:48:40 Speaker_00
Yeah, from Matthew 5.

00:48:42 Speaker_01
Yeah, look at my father. His son shines on people who are good and bad, deserve it and don't deserve it. The family ethic is one of abundant generosity to everyone, your friends and your enemies.

00:49:02 Speaker_00
So there's something, maybe there's something in the video where we can use color or some kind of Remember how in the exile video, we had Babylon and exile represented by this dark blue maze. And then home was gold world.

00:49:21 Speaker_00
There's something similar here too, where the world of scarcity is invaded by the generous gift that begins to create abundant Eden right here in the midst.

00:49:34 Speaker_01
It's the reverse infection.

00:49:36 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, totally. It's the yeast and the dough. And you can actually participate and experience new creation abundance when you share. When you share. Yeah, I don't share as often as I would like to think that I would.

00:49:59 Speaker_00
But I have had those experiences where you're like, this is awesome. This person's stoked. I'm stoked. And there's some vibe happening here where for this moment, there's enough. And there's a connection here. And we both feel safe and accepted.

00:50:16 Speaker_00
And this is awesome. I wish every moment could be like this. And then it's not. And then it's not.

00:50:24 Speaker_01
I've kind of hung on to the phrase of trying to be uncomfortably generous.

00:50:30 Speaker_01
Because when I think of the phrase like radically generous, or I think of like the way, like the bullseye of generosity of just this crazy mentality, it just, it feels impossible.

00:50:44 Speaker_01
But what I can do is be generous to a level that does make me feel uncomfortable. And then what you find, what I find is that there's life there. And then to keep pressing the boundaries of that uncomfortability.

00:51:00 Speaker_01
And that's different for everyone in different seasons. It's just a nice way to tiptoe into generosity.

00:51:08 Speaker_00
I met this family once, a church they worked at, and they, I think we did a generosity,

00:51:14 Speaker_00
season of like a teaching series and other projects at the church and there was this family who shared their story with me where they just created a little separate savings account among all their other accounts and they just did auto transfers.

00:51:30 Speaker_00
from it throughout the year.

00:51:31 Speaker_01
Yep. It's just, and I had a season of that.

00:51:33 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:51:33 Speaker_01
My business was like, yeah, really booming. We just set up a saving, a checking count. And we just said, and we just transferred money into it every, just automatically a certain percentage. And then we just, that we get to give away that way.

00:51:48 Speaker_00
Yeah, totally. Yeah. So then they would just enter a season after it was to a certain amount where they would just start praying as a family, like, Lord, show us who to give this to. And then they just said, cool stuff happened.

00:51:59 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:52:00 Speaker_00
Just like then they would hear about a situation and be like, hey, we have some money to give for that. And I just thought that was a really, it was practical. Point is it was practical. Yes.

00:52:10 Speaker_00
It still was spontaneous, but it was spontaneous because they had planned for it. Yeah.

00:52:15 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:52:15 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:52:16 Speaker_01
There's a pastor in a chipping room. No, is that right? Yeah. Chip. Great guy. I mean, I don't really know him that well, but. He gave this talk and in it, he told a story, it's really stuck with me.

00:52:31 Speaker_01
It's a story, and he said, while he was young in ministry, there was this older patron friend, who's just a wealthy friend. And the wealthy friend set up a checking account and gave Chip a checking book or a book of checks for that account.

00:52:51 Speaker_01
And he said, hey, I'm gonna put money in this checking account. And what I want you to do with this checkbook is just while you're a pastor doing, if someone needs money, just use this. And that's all I told him.

00:53:03 Speaker_01
And Chip didn't know how much money would be in this account. I think he knew how much was in it, but he didn't know what would happen when he spent it all. Was that it?

00:53:11 Speaker_01
So he just walked around with this checkbook and it totally changed the way he interacted almost in every experience was now just like this opportunity of maybe I can be generous here because he had this guy's checkbook.

00:53:28 Speaker_01
And as he was telling that story, I realized what he was really talking about, which was like, that's how we should be living. Like that's the mentality of like, this is all God's. He's given us the checkbook.

00:53:43 Speaker_01
That's how we should be thinking about life. That's good. Really stuck with me.

00:53:47 Speaker_00
Yeah. Isn't that interesting how the sayings of Jesus become so over familiar Yeah. Because that's what totally Jesus' point. That's Jesus' point. Look at the ravens, look at the flowers, look at the sun, look at the rain. Yeah.

00:53:59 Speaker_00
But somehow it becomes so religified.

00:54:03 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:54:04 Speaker_00
I just made that up. Religiousified. It becomes so religious that we can't hear it in its full power anymore. Yeah. And so it requires new parables.

00:54:14 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah Like that.

00:54:16 Speaker_00
That's right. What a remarkable mindset because this isn't just like give because it's the right thing to do or give because you ought to

00:54:28 Speaker_00
It's a totally different story that on the surface can result in what looks like the same behavior, being generous with your time and resources.

00:54:38 Speaker_00
But the Jewish Christian story underneath that is a completely different mindset that actually looks foolish from a scarcity mentality.

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Thanks for listening to this episode of the Bible Project Podcast. That's it for this series. Today's show is produced by Dan Gummel. Our theme music comes from the band Tents.

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Hi, my name is John.

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Hi, my name is Tina, and I'm from Hood River, Oregon.

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I first heard about the Bible Project about eight years ago when I was teaching Bible to students.

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And I first heard about the Bible Project when I was a brand new youth pastor.

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Currently, I use Bible Project for their classroom.

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And I first used the Bible Project for students and learning, but now I use it for my own study and creativity.

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My favorite thing about the Bible Project is Classroom because it allows me to experience the Bible at a different depth that I'm used to, and it allows me to push my own paradigms. We believe the Bible is a unified story that leads to Jesus.

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We're a crowdfunded project by people like me. Find free videos, articles, podcasts, classes, and more on the Bible Project app and at BibleProject.com.