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Episode: Financial Astrology, with Grace Morris

Author: Chris Brennan
Duration: 01:29:51

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In episode 458 astrologer Grace Morris joins the podcast to talk about financially astrology, and applying planetary cycles to the markets. During the course of the episode Grace shares her journey into financial astrology and explains how she combines fundamental, technical, and planetary cycle analysis in her practice. Early in

the episode we talk about identifying favorable sectors, and how to use Jupiter and Saturn's transits to highlight thriving and lagging sectors of the market. Later we discuss the significance of incorporation and first trade charts, and what planetary aspects can indicate the success of Initial Public Offerings (IPOs). Join us for this insightful discussion and discover how astrology can add a unique dimension to your investment approach. For more about Grace visit her website: astroeconomics.com This episode is available in both audio and video versions below. Watch the Video Version of This Episode Watch the video version of my interview with Grace Morris on financial astrology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMjLr3ATBEY - Transcript A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 458 transcript Listen to the Audio Version of This Episode Listen to the audio version of this episode or download it as an MP3:

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00:00:00 Speaker_00
Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to The Astrology Podcast. Joining me today is astrologer Grace Morris, and we're going to be talking about financial astrology. So hi, Grace. Thanks for joining me today.

00:00:10 Speaker_02
Hi, Chris. It's my pleasure.

00:00:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, I am really excited and I've been looking forward to this episode with you to talk about this topic because I don't know a ton of financial astrologers.

00:00:22 Speaker_00
There's a number of them, but you've been one of the people that I've interacted with in the field for the longest. So I know you have a lot of insights to share in terms of this and in terms of your long career. Yeah.

00:00:36 Speaker_00
So why don't we start from ground one, square one, and talk a little bit about your background, and then we'll get into talking about financial astrology.

00:00:46 Speaker_01
Right, which kind of all goes together. My master's is in psychotherapy, so my approach to charts was always a combination of Dr. Carl Jung, first of all using that as a diagnostic tool, but it's served me very well working with business people.

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particularly the CEOs. I started out in the 80s with traders from the Chicago Board of Trade.

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In fact, I set up the World Conferences of Astroeconomics in 1988, which the first one was just five outstanding at that time, Arch Crawford and Bill Meridian and Ray Merriman. We expanded on the fifth one. We had 30 speakers.

00:01:37 Speaker_01
Mostly in the 90s, it was about commodities trading, and then it focused on where I'm most centered now, and that is the sectors and individual stocks, as well as the economy. And my office was in the tower floor right above McDonald's University.

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So some of my first clients also were the franchisees who needed incorporation charge separate from the companies. Oh, and I could also see Sears Tower back then, 15 miles away. And so it was ideally a great location for working with businesses.

00:02:24 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's great to be right in Chicago right at that time.

00:02:27 Speaker_00
And so today, in terms of talking about financial astrology, I was hoping we could talk about it in the sense of like, if somebody was an astrologer, and they wanted to start getting into financial astrology, what some of the things they might want to take into account or start thinking about as sort of like an introduction.

00:02:45 Speaker_01
Well, one of the things that I've always done in my webinars, books, newsletter, is when talking about the stock market, is to make sure that investors do not lose their money. So I talk about

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the buying and selling strategies so that if you get stopped out, which is explained in all my literature, you may have lost a small amount. And if you really were in love with that stock, you can get back in on the first turnaround date.

00:03:27 Speaker_01
So having a knowledge of both fundamental and technical analysis are absolutely necessary in picking stocks. The planetary cycles is third, and to start with just astrology has always seemed to me like hitting a dartboard.

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So if you start, and that's what astroeconomics is defined as, a system or a method of analyzing which stocks are going to outperform the market.

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And if you've picked a fundamentally sound company that's not gonna bankrupt, go bankrupt, and you're looking at the technicals, and I use the graphs, I think there's some examples that you can probably show.

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and it has good, in other words, momentum is important. If it's a 99 relative strength, it's time to buy, as William O'Neill, who founded the

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in investors business daily, and that is one of my reliable sources, as well as Bloomberg, said people, if a stock is going higher, they should buy it. And most people will say, no, I'm going to wait for it to drop. No, no, no.

00:04:56 Speaker_01
One of the great things that I discovered is If there's a gap up in your technical analysis, buy, buy, buy, because there'll be at least four or five more gap ups, and then you can hold. But this has been such a fantastic period in history.

00:05:19 Speaker_01
The Magnificent Seven, which replaced the Fangs, have provided unbelievable trading opportunities and investing opportunities. In fact, right now, people should still be in the Magnificent Seven.

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And there's copies of the charts and graphs in both my book and webinars. And people are certainly welcome to ask for a free copy at our website.

00:05:55 Speaker_00
Sure. Yeah, let's back up a minute because I meant to continue before I interrupted us to get into the basics, but why don't we talk about just square one

00:06:06 Speaker_00
When you got into financial astrology in the 1970s and 80s, I think probably one of the most compelling things that you must have discovered early on is that planetary cycles do coincide with stock market shifts and other shifts in the market.

00:06:22 Speaker_00
And just that discovery in and of itself as an astrologer is a really striking and interesting thing to track and be aware of, right?

00:06:32 Speaker_01
Well, I think since you mentioned the well, late 70s and into the 80s, one of the very first financial workshops I did, I had said that the interest rates, which at that time were 18%, 21%, inflation and the interest rates, hard to believe.

00:06:54 Speaker_01
But based on the Neptune cycle, Neptune is 14-year cycle. Anytime it's in fire signs, We're in a high inflation or deflation, high inflation and interest rates. And by the way, we're going to come to that cycle again in about three to four years.

00:07:16 Speaker_01
Those cycles, I have very much worked with an update every year in the book on how to choose stocks to outperform the market. But I talked about the fact that the high inflation rates would end in November, I think

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because Neptune was moving out of fire sign Sag into Capricorn. And as I predicted, it went down to 2% and it stayed there for years and years as people would say, you know, we're going to have super inflation.

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And it was in the 90s, I remember saying, No, no. Not only are we staying at 2%, but the Japanese are in negative payments in banks. You had to pay the bank to hold your money.

00:08:18 Speaker_01
But it absolutely started to turn around November of 1984 when Neptune went from Sag into Capricorn.

00:08:28 Speaker_00
We had something similar here just a few years ago where when Jupiter and Neptune aligned in Pisces and were conjoining, the inflation rate shot up in the US during that time period pretty precisely.

00:08:41 Speaker_01
But nothing like the 70s and early 80s. And that leads me to say, especially to astrologers, these are the general cycles and there's a lot of detail and it's like the housing market.

00:08:58 Speaker_01
We hit the top in November of 2018 and we'll hit the bottom in the next few years. Those are nodal cycles. But what has really proved so beneficial to me And it's not that I'm so amazing, but I believe in cycles, and the general cycles work.

00:09:20 Speaker_01
You can put all kinds of detail, ups and downs, but it'll never be like the extreme of the 18-21% until we get into the late 2020s.

00:09:34 Speaker_00
CB Right. So first things first, you established that there are planetary placements that coincide with certain types of things in the markets, but then also that the repetitions of the same placements often lead to repetitions of similar trends.

00:09:52 Speaker_01
Can I give you an example? Sure. Picking the favored sectors, I found through all these years, is based on the Jupiter sign. And we've just moved from Earth sign Taurus into Air sign Gemini.

00:10:11 Speaker_01
Well, an example of how these shifts, by the way, banking will slow down and transportation and communication are going to take off through the summer and for the next year.

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But if you look at what happened 12 years ago, because Jupiter is a 12-year cycle, In 9-11, the months before, Jupiter was in Gemini for that year before, and planes flew all over.

00:10:45 Speaker_01
If you think of a map with all the planes in the air, they were flying just unbelievably. And then just before 9-11, Jupiter went into cancer. And all those planes, I think there was about 2,000 or 3,000 of them, were on the ground in Nova Scotia.

00:11:07 Speaker_01
And the skies were clear. That is, to me, I mean, if we pay attention to the newspaper headlines, you can have so much fun with the symbolism of what these planetary patterns mean. So on top of it, since cancer,

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is food, neighborhood, home, and all of that. Applebee's came out, the restaurant chain, came out with the slogan, Fun in the Neighborhood. People were not traveling. Jupiter and Gemini was over.

00:11:45 Speaker_01
and that means the stocks that are also Gemini or air ruled, and right now that's the cycle we're in. So anything connected with transportation, particularly air transportation, and in my monthly recommendations,

00:12:06 Speaker_01
they've already begun to move, and the path is clear. And communication, social media, the internet, and so forth, are all great choices.

00:12:18 Speaker_01
And the stocks that, in my book, I usually give at least 60 or more individual stocks that fit in the sectors that we've chosen a year ahead of time. Does it work? Absolutely.

00:12:34 Speaker_00
Got it. So that's one of your first steps is using Jupiter and the sign that Jupiter is transiting through and its element in order to identify sectors of the market that are going to do better in a given year?

00:12:47 Speaker_01
Right, it's the keywords. Michael Moncasi did such a good job with the keywords. And if anybody needs the data, he's a great source for getting the incorporation dates and the first trade dates.

00:13:05 Speaker_01
The first trade I use for, and most astrologers, for the actual movement on the stock market And the incorporation chart is what I use for the business itself to see how it's doing.

00:13:23 Speaker_01
And sometimes they're in coordination, but sometimes they're not, which is very interesting to see. Go ahead. I was going to enlarge on the incorporations.

00:13:36 Speaker_00
Sure. So those are two key things to financial astrology is you look at the incorporation chart of the business itself as being kind of like the birthday of the business and that chart responds to transits.

00:13:49 Speaker_00
And then you also, in terms of their trading, especially on the public market, you look at the first trade chart as being indicative of how the future will go in terms of that stock.

00:14:00 Speaker_01
You can watch what's going on. You can look at and see that there has been, and in many cases, it's temporary, whatever the transit is. And I'm going to give you a very valuable piece of information that is financially about as rewarding as it gets.

00:14:21 Speaker_01
Somewhere along the line, I discovered that there's a magic formula for stocks that go over a thousand dollars a share. Oh, by the way, Priceline, which is bookings, is about to hit four thousand a share, and that is a perfect example.

00:14:38 Speaker_01
I think you may have a copy of that, but the secret formula is sun, Jupiter, Pluto in any kind of combination. In Tesla's chart, it's a T-score, but in the price line, it's an exact, to the degree, the Sun-Jupiter conjunction trining Pluto.

00:15:07 Speaker_00
So you found that whenever the Sun, Jupiter, and Pluto are in close aspects with each other in the first trade chart, that that tends to be a stock that does extremely well?

00:15:19 Speaker_01
And the incorporation. When I see that, and I always set up in my right time quarterly, the signing times contain some combination of Moon, Sun, or either one in Jupiter, Pluto.

00:15:35 Speaker_01
So there are times of the year, and I give the year following which dates, the next one coming up September 13th.

00:15:47 Speaker_01
You have to check that they're good fundamentally and technically, but they have an edge in terms of if they begin to trade with the sun, Jupiter, Pluto, and any relationship to each other.

00:16:02 Speaker_00
Got it. And you sent me the chart for Tesla's first trade. Do you want to take a look at that now?

00:16:06 Speaker_03
Sure.

00:16:08 Speaker_00
All right. So here is that chart. So the chart is set for June 29th, 2010 at 11.25 AM in New York.

00:16:19 Speaker_00
And for those listening to the audio version, we see that combination that you were talking about where the Sun is at seven degrees of Cancer, and it's squaring Jupiter at two degrees of Aries, and both of them are configured to Pluto at four degrees of Capricorn.

00:16:35 Speaker_01
Yep.

00:16:37 Speaker_00
Nice. Okay.

00:16:39 Speaker_01
And let me say this, all of the Magnificent Seven, there's charts in my book, and I really try to impress how important those particular companies are. They all have the magic formula.

00:16:57 Speaker_00
Which companies are that again?

00:17:01 Speaker_01
I have them listed. Hang on.

00:17:03 Speaker_00
It's just like some of the like the top seven companies.

00:17:07 Speaker_01
It's like Amazon and stuff like that. Alphabet, which is the former Google, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, Tesla, I don't think I forgot any.

00:17:26 Speaker_00
Okay, and so those all have some combination of those three planets together?

00:17:31 Speaker_01
Exactly. Nice. And as anybody knows who've just gone out of sight, their percentage has been fantastic. Anybody who was worried about a recession the last two years has missed a wonderful buying opportunity.

00:17:50 Speaker_00
Yeah, I was surprised when I was looking at recently just as I started to research this more, looking at even like the history of Apple that their stock was still very low even into the late 2000s, even after the iPhone had came out compared to now where it's just so extremely valuable.

00:18:09 Speaker_01
It's the number one. Yeah, these companies are now worth not billions, they're worth trillions.

00:18:15 Speaker_00
So it's like if you were an astrologer early on and you saw some of these signatures, for example, in their chart, even if you weren't a very well-off astrologer, if you just put- Buy one.

00:18:26 Speaker_01
One stock, yeah, one stock for like- That's right, and a discount from a discount broker.

00:18:32 Speaker_00
So I think the Apple stock was like $5 or something like that in the 2000s. If they bought one stock, then how much is that worth now? What's Apple?

00:18:42 Speaker_01
Quite a bit. In every newsletter, every month, on the third page, I list all of the recommendeds, where they're at, and how much they were when we put them on, and how much they are today.

00:18:59 Speaker_00
224 today, but there's probably been stock splits since then, I'm assuming, or something, right?

00:19:04 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah. Nvidia went way up and it split 10 for 1. So, Nvidia has been a fabulous stock. I have from the last close of trading, there's still I have about 60

00:19:21 Speaker_01
stocks to watch, which I will be getting ready for the next newsletter and make sure which ones to buy, hold, and sell.

00:19:30 Speaker_01
But we've just entered a new cycle, so it's really buying time because anything that has to do with the internet, communications, or transportation, that doesn't mean every single one. In fact,

00:19:47 Speaker_01
If you have a group of them, you want to use the technical analysis and make sure it's going the right direction, momentum, and that it's earnings per share and it's sales. That's one thing about Amazon, which I was really late

00:20:03 Speaker_01
to get to, they never recorded their sales. They put it all back into the business. So it was a while to really see what they were doing. And Facebook, we timed the time they opened.

00:20:20 Speaker_01
How important the start or the timing of these is, is Microsoft all the way through the 80s was really stocked to buy and doing very well. And in the 90s, I think it was 92, they changed their incorporation.

00:20:40 Speaker_01
And the next week, the Department of Justice came after them, and they were in litigation for years. And so I would caution people about

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changing their incorporations or have an astrologer set up the best time for the incorporation, which I've done for 30 years.

00:21:06 Speaker_00
without giving too much away, how often are there companies out there that do use astrologers or do take these things into account in order to help?

00:21:15 Speaker_01
Yes, sir.

00:21:17 Speaker_00
Okay, we'll leave it at that. We don't have to go too much further into that.

00:21:21 Speaker_01
It's confidentiality, just like being a therapist. I think it's important that astrologers respect the confidentiality of their client relationships

00:21:35 Speaker_00
sure, for sure. Okay. And for astrologers, because there's a lot of younger astrologers, especially when you're a younger astrologer, you don't have that much money, you don't have a much excess cash.

00:21:47 Speaker_00
But with some of these stocks, like Nvidia, for example, even just, I don't know, 10 years ago, it was trading at just like a dollar just to buy one of those stocks. And then it- Absolutely. this year it reached $1,000.

00:22:00 Speaker_00
So if you had set aside just $1 from a reading that you did and you put it into that stock 10 years ago, then it would be worth $1,000 today. Or if you put $100 into it or 50, then it's worth...

00:22:15 Speaker_01
and raise your stop so that as it goes up you keep your profits. And again in other words it could drop and rather than just holding on long time and here again William O'Neill the IBD founder would say don't hold it more than 20%.

00:22:35 Speaker_01
Well, there are exceptions to that rule, but that's the way he really began to make his money and that was to pick a good stock and hold it until it hit a 20% profit and then sell and you can always buy back in and start the whole process.

00:22:54 Speaker_00
Okay. So one of the things that had always until recently kept me away from this area was I realized that it wasn't enough just to be a good astrologer, but you also have to learn about finance.

00:23:07 Speaker_00
You have to be good at both essentially in order to do it successfully, right?

00:23:10 Speaker_01
Exactly. It helps to even if somebody else is your portfolio manager and I always start by saying think of it as you are your own portfolio manager and take an interest every month get rid of your losers before you add new stocks.

00:23:29 Speaker_01
and add to your winners. And you don't have to make it complicated, but you should keep an eye on it and know and feel that you're in charge, that you can get out and you can choose to buy, sell, or hold. That's your decision.

00:23:48 Speaker_00
Got it. Okay. So you got to learn both and there's so many resources, so many free resources these days. I'm sure it's so much easier to do it these days than any other time.

00:23:59 Speaker_01
Absolutely. And not make it complicated. In other words, I have a graph somewhere in there. You can pick any stock. If you want to put that up, I'll show you what you can look for in technical analysis.

00:24:20 Speaker_00
Sure. So it looks like I have the Tesla graph. Will that work?

00:24:23 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's fine. Sure.

00:24:24 Speaker_00
Okay. So here's that graph for those watching the video version.

00:24:31 Speaker_01
Okay.

00:24:31 Speaker_00
So what are we looking at?

00:24:34 Speaker_01
First of all, to your right is the momentum, the relative strength. If it's above 80, it's going to probably go higher. If it's at 99, it's a buy. It means it's the best stock in the group.

00:24:53 Speaker_01
And the other thing on the left-hand side at the top, you've got earnings per share rating. It should be over 80 and Tesla's 90.

00:25:04 Speaker_01
And also the return on equity, the ROE and it's 38% should be over 17% and sales should average the last four quarters 25%.

00:25:23 Speaker_00
Okay, got it. So these are some of the factors that you would take into account. There'd be good financial indicators that a stock has good momentum and that it's something to buy.

00:25:35 Speaker_00
And then from an astrological standpoint, you're paying attention to things like transits to, you're looking to see how good the incorporation chart is. You're looking at transits to that chart or to the first trade chart and things like that.

00:25:49 Speaker_01
But if you're a student, that's fine. If you're just wanting to invest, I think it's looking at the technical chart is going to probably give you the information you need at that particular point. And to know it's

00:26:12 Speaker_01
momentum, if it's going in the right direction, if it's got a gap or whatever, it's really a buy.

00:26:20 Speaker_01
And all of that information, again, is because I research and every month put a buy, hold, stop, a buy, hold, or sell on everything, remove coverage on the stocks.

00:26:38 Speaker_00
about it. Going back to the sectors, you use Jupiter in order to identify sectors that are good. For example, right now Jupiter's in Gemini, so travel or air travel is one of the ones that we're pointing to as potentially being good.

00:26:53 Speaker_01
Exactly. And how soon does it take off? Well, some of them may even begin a little bit ahead, but others, they're either on time or they may be a little slow to start.

00:27:09 Speaker_01
I think the airlines themselves, Airlines United and Delta and so forth, are much slower, but several others that I've got in there have already taken off. I'm looking at the one a couple of months ago, FTAI, and it's been really amazing. Yeah.

00:27:35 Speaker_00
One of the things I've been paying attention to is these companies doing electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles, which are going to be like electronic air taxis that are drones that people fly in, and those are really starting to take off lately with Jupiter and Gemini.

00:27:51 Speaker_01
That's really funny. Yeah. Two days ago, we had a drone deliver ice cream. It's an experimental program, and it hovered over the backyard, and you could go out and get your bag full of whatever from any restaurant or whatever.

00:28:10 Speaker_00
Wow. That's awesome. What company is that?

00:28:15 Speaker_01
I have to go back and look. We were in a state of shock looking up there and seeing the drone hover above all the houses and then drop down into the backyard.

00:28:26 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's a pretty good... You know Jupiter is in Gemini and we're living in the mid-2020s with Uranus about to go into Gemini next year when drones are dropping ice cream out of the sky.

00:28:37 Speaker_01
right or any several restaurants or their clients so you can order from a lot of different places and they'll deliver your just like target or walmart delivery by by truck or car now you can have a drone delivering it

00:28:57 Speaker_00
Yeah, I think Uranus and Gemini over the next seven or eight years, that's going to change things in terms of short distance air travel, but also electric vehicles, Jupiter and Gemini also being cars.

00:29:13 Speaker_01
And it amazes me. And I want everybody to have fun. As I said, connect what's happening with the headlines in the news or the dumb things that some Congress people say, especially like, we're going to start drilling again. favor those fossil fuels.

00:29:43 Speaker_01
And you know that as soon as Pluto is fully into Aquarius, it's going to be renewables. Already the solar is getting in better and better shape. But you realize how the shifts go on based on the planets.

00:30:10 Speaker_01
I was going to go back to Jupiter, but Pluto and Aquarius just is going to be phenomenal. The common man and the difference between the interests. We're right at the end of the plutocrats, Pluto and Capricorn.

00:30:27 Speaker_01
And so all the things connected with plutocrats should diminish.

00:30:34 Speaker_00
Yeah. Over the past 10 years, I started doing these forecast episodes.

00:30:39 Speaker_00
Until I started doing that, I didn't realize how much there really are these shifts just based on outer planets, especially moving through signs, and that stuff will just start happening in the news that matches the transit of that planet through that sign of the zodiac and its archetypal meaning and just how striking and how regular it is and how reliable that is.

00:31:03 Speaker_01
It amazes me. Nobody's more astonished than I am, and I've watched it for 30 years or more.

00:31:10 Speaker_00
Yeah, I love that. No matter how long you've been doing it, it still continues to be amazing how well things line up and so consistently. You pay attention to Jupiter for sectors for growth, but then you also pay attention to Saturn as well.

00:31:26 Speaker_01
Saturn in Pisces is opposing Virgo, which means everything related to pharmacy, drugs, medical equipment is not going to fare well.

00:31:41 Speaker_01
The only way that, and I still remember those traders trading eggs in like minutes and hours rather than in big cycles, but That's okay.

00:32:00 Speaker_00
Saturn tends to be a principle of consolidation in terms of whatever sign or element it's going through.

00:32:06 Speaker_01
I was just going to say the only way that that worked is if poultry or whatever was limited by source, then the price may go up. But with Saturn, generally, the price is not going up.

00:32:20 Speaker_01
so that the areas to avoid are the drugs, pharmaceuticals, medical services, hospitals are not profitable. And that's what we're looking for is profitability. CB.

00:32:36 Speaker_00
Got it. So there tends to be like a slowdown or the industry suffering that's associated with whatever sign Saturn is transiting?

00:32:45 Speaker_02
AG. Right.

00:32:47 Speaker_00
So those sectors, you say, tend to lag or tend to lose favor during that time.

00:32:53 Speaker_00
So that's really useful then, even if you're just following those two things, knowing what sign Jupiter is going through in a given year as being an area or industry of growth and expansion, and the sign of Saturn being an area of contraction.

00:33:08 Speaker_01
Absolutely. And it's like watching mergers that went no place when Jupiter was in Taurus.

00:33:16 Speaker_01
And especially those connected with like streaming with the communications are now getting resolved and look like they're either going to complete or they're certainly close to it.

00:33:28 Speaker_00
Okay. So in terms of when to buy in these favored sectors by tracking Jupiter, you really focus in on like the three-week period within three weeks of the planet's ingress, right?

00:33:40 Speaker_01
It's usually the best time, but that whole year is going to offer new opportunities, especially with new IPOs, first trades, and it's a year of trading in transportation and communication.

00:33:59 Speaker_01
And if there's any mergers going on in those sectors, they certainly will profit.

00:34:07 Speaker_00
Got it. Okay. So you pay attention to new IPOs, especially maybe around those ingress times, because sometimes that can be really relevant if it matches the sector.

00:34:18 Speaker_01
Well, what I do when I put the dates in the next year's book is make sure that's a day that has Sun, Jupiter, Pluto, and so it's going to be in that first trade chart.

00:34:34 Speaker_00
Got it. Okay.

00:34:35 Speaker_01
It's always been fascinating in working with people, as well as businesses, that if you start at the right time, you keep going. If you start on Void, of course, the pattern continues. I learned that with very early business clients.

00:34:54 Speaker_01
If their business wasn't getting off the ground, I took all the dates they had. And if they were all void of course, meaning the moon makes no aspect or leaving into the next sign, that business I just would then suggest reincorporation.

00:35:14 Speaker_01
That's not the word reincorporation. You should get a new incorporation. And one of my clients who was a state farm agent, she recently retired and she used to even pull off the road to sign at the right time.

00:35:31 Speaker_00
That's amazing. So that is a recommended almost like remediation for companies sometimes if it's not going well or if their incorporation chart was bad, is to incorporate on a more auspicious date.

00:35:44 Speaker_01
Exactly. And then you actually will find yourself, when you haven't got the right time or whatever, that the pattern is going to be pretty positive. Once you start, if it's Void, of course, or if it isn't, you're going to follow that path pretty much.

00:36:04 Speaker_01
Oh, another interesting thing. We had in early 2020, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction. I got flooded with new businesses about a month before and about three to four months after. And they all were dealing with a problem in the business.

00:36:27 Speaker_01
And that Saturn-Pluto was strictly, you didn't need any other astrological symbols. It was like the answer was you either expand or the business dies, and then I would check to make sure.

00:36:45 Speaker_01
The only one who didn't follow the advice, because they all expanded in some way or another, and the one that didn't was a huge dairy farm, and they had a buyer. They had someone who could run the business. They were going to retire.

00:37:01 Speaker_01
They changed their mind, and guess what? The business collapsed. And it was an easy time to say, not with a lot of extra words, but just to say, as long as you're expanding this business, you're going to be fine. And this was the start.

00:37:23 Speaker_01
The Saturn Pluto was a repeat of 500 years before, and the Spanish takeover of Mexico City. And their pandemic or epidemic was the smallpox that killed so many people. And even, I guess, Montezuma was killed at that point by Cortez.

00:37:50 Speaker_01
So it was a pretty good bet that there was a pandemic or something of that nature coming within months of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction.

00:38:03 Speaker_00
Yeah. Yeah. And even earlier in the 20th century, different pandemics and epidemics like the AIDS epidemic in the 80s and under Saturn and Pluto and everything else.

00:38:14 Speaker_00
So that's a major factor in terms of having some insight into what's going on in the world and world events and trends like that can certainly be helpful then if you know how the market's going to react because the market seems to react so strongly to whatever world events are going on at the time.

00:38:32 Speaker_01
Exactly, exactly. And the economic information is always important. We're down to two percent, so at this point in time it's very possible that we're going to get our first, in the United States, our first cut in

00:38:50 Speaker_01
the interest rates so that how much farther that goes because as I've already said about three years from now we're going to head back into Neptune in Aries which is a fire sign and we're going to go through the same thing as the late 70s and early 80s.

00:39:11 Speaker_00
So you associate Neptune and fire signs with the inflation rate being really high?

00:39:16 Speaker_01
Right. Interest rates and inflation.

00:39:20 Speaker_00
Interest rates, yes. Sorry. Okay, so that's really important. And then backing up, you've trademarked this approach that you call astro-economics, which is a system that has three forms of analysis.

00:39:37 Speaker_00
And we've kind of covered that broadly, but I wanted to show your slide just to maybe drill down on that a little bit more about what your approach is and how you approach financial astrology. So these are the three primary things, which is

00:39:52 Speaker_00
fundamental analysis, technical analysis, and then planetary cycle analysis?

00:39:57 Speaker_01
Correct. And as you can see, fundamental is fundamental. How's the industry doing based on, and the company doing based on its sales, assets, earnings, and so forth.

00:40:11 Speaker_01
And technical analysis looks at the market as a whole so that you saw the price movement and momentum directions. And Planetary Cycle, I started to use it after our conference, Astroeconomics Conference in Singapore.

00:40:34 Speaker_01
Our audience was 80 bankers from the trading section of the banks. And at that point, that was in the mid-1980s, We thought we would use planetary patterns or cycles rather than astrology. But that's what astrology is.

00:40:58 Speaker_00
In other words, the analysis based on planetary cycles is astrology. Right. Got it.

00:41:11 Speaker_01
We don't have to get into arguments.

00:41:13 Speaker_00
Yeah. So this is important just because it shows you that there's two whole steps that are more the financial side of things that you need to do before you get into the planetary cycle analysis?

00:41:24 Speaker_01
Correct.

00:41:26 Speaker_00
Got it. Okay. All right. So backing up, what have we not touched base on? terms of the astrology or things that are interesting in terms of the astrology.

00:41:40 Speaker_00
Sometimes you mentioned 2020, and there was that huge lineup of planets in Capricorn that was like a full Capricorn stellium. And then of course, the pandemic hit, and initially that was catastrophic for the markets.

00:41:54 Speaker_00
The markets crashed at that time initially, but then rebounded relatively quickly, right?

00:42:01 Speaker_02
Right, that is correct.

00:42:04 Speaker_00
Okay, so sometimes there are things like that, or I know astrologers have sometimes studied other stock market crashes in the past.

00:42:15 Speaker_00
Yeah, so that's something that would be of interest then because I know people that are doing finance in general often pay attention to different cycles.

00:42:25 Speaker_00
But sometimes when you get into astrology, you see that there's for some reason this subjective system where the trends tend to coincide with different planetary movements, sometimes even things as simple as like lunations, right?

00:42:40 Speaker_01
Oh, absolutely. Traders love lunations. So new moons and full moons. Right, right, right.

00:42:51 Speaker_00
What tends to happen on those or do you do any work with like eclipses, for example?

00:42:56 Speaker_01
Well, absolutely. Which are fascinating both personally and I was going to say, I already mentioned it helps being a therapist that The cycles tend to be like the new moons and the high tides and low tides on the full moons and the new moons.

00:43:23 Speaker_01
There are so many interactions that work that my caution is always, I guess it's James Carville who says, keep it stupid. Keep it simple, stupid. In other words, work with the largest cycle. Pluto went into Capricorn on the Great Recession, 2008.

00:43:51 Speaker_01
and is now coming out of that into Aquarius. What is it finishing up with? Not a recession. It's hitting at a very high point economically, and we'll see what happens in the beginning of that next cycle.

00:44:10 Speaker_01
and then apply all other cycles onto that until you can get down to moon cycles, which are again pretty limited, except for the void of course, which is pretty... I don't recommend doing a heck of a lot unless there's a declination in the void of course moon cycle.

00:44:35 Speaker_00
Okay. That's an interesting point. So you sort of start with the furthest and slowest moving planet like Pluto, which sets the tone for an entire decade or two.

00:44:46 Speaker_00
And then you work your way down through the planets to Neptune, which stays in for what, like a decade?

00:44:53 Speaker_01
Fourteen years in each sign.

00:44:57 Speaker_00
And then Uranus, which is about seven years. And then Saturn, which is about three years. Jupiter, which is a year, and that's just giving you the tone for each of those planetary energies for different spans of time.

00:45:12 Speaker_01
Right. And it is amazing and they do work out. And one thing to always remember, if you look at a chart from the beginning of the stock market, it has gone from a bottom to a top.

00:45:30 Speaker_01
And you may look at those short-term pullbacks, which may be buying opportunities, But the direction of the market and why I'm an optimist is it keeps going up. Just pick the right stacks.

00:45:48 Speaker_00
So you mentioned Pluto and Pluto and Capricorn, and that reminded me that that was widely noted by astrologers at the time, that Pluto's ingress into Capricorn coincided with the Great Recession that occurred in 2008 and 2009. Right.

00:46:02 Speaker_00
So sometimes being able to see major outer planet shifts coinciding with major worldwide shifts in the market can be really crucial.

00:46:14 Speaker_01
Absolutely. And what happened was banks were punished for helping create the situation. And the plutocrats rose. The Capricorn cycle really favored the traditional and the high-end financial world. And now we're shifting into Aquarius.

00:46:41 Speaker_03
Yeah. Go ahead.

00:46:43 Speaker_01
No, I was going to mention something that concerns me about this final switch over in November, but that may be... My concern is the election itself on November 5th,

00:47:04 Speaker_01
in Capricorn may bring in someone who 14 days later doesn't fit the Capricorn pattern of Aquarius, Pluto in Aquarius. What happens? Of course, the electoral college won't have met yet.

00:47:20 Speaker_01
But I think because of this shift, there may be some very interesting things happen.

00:47:29 Speaker_00
Yeah, we're definitely at the beginning of a completely new era with this election coinciding with the very tail end of Pluto and Capricorn, which began with the Great Recession, and then Pluto and Aquarius is going to last for the next 20 years all the way until the 2040s.

00:47:45 Speaker_00
Right, right. Yeah. So that seems really important and really crucial.

00:47:54 Speaker_00
So one of the things in terms of Pluto and Capricorn, I mean, at the very beginning of it, also Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies were introduced for the first time shortly after that ingress.

00:48:07 Speaker_00
And now it seems by the end of that, they've kind of gone crazy.

00:48:10 Speaker_01
CM You know the end to something. And I think one of the signs I have is that my belief system is buy the best stocks, the growth stocks I'm favoring, and stay away from anything that does not have assets.

00:48:31 Speaker_01
Therefore, I am not a fan of the NTFs or the SPACs, which are companies that have no assets. They're blank checks Or to me, even the cryptocurrency could be suspect. And look at the drops.

00:48:59 Speaker_01
If you can sleep knowing that you could lose $2,000 to $5,000 overnight, Okay, have at it.

00:49:07 Speaker_01
I like the protection of making money and what a time this has been to make it in the market through growth stocks and still protect yourself with the stop orders.

00:49:23 Speaker_00
Right. So stop orders is something you really recommend.

00:49:26 Speaker_01
Absolutely.

00:49:28 Speaker_00
As soon as you buy a stock, you recommend setting an automated thing. Right.

00:49:34 Speaker_01
Let's say you go to E-Trade, which has now been bought and sold twice, but any discount broker And they walk you through it. So you can put a stop on for between 5% and 8% below what you paid for it.

00:49:55 Speaker_01
So if you get stopped out and you want to buy back, just wait for the first or second day that the momentum reverses back up and go ahead and buy it again. or look at something else and see. But you at least have your money left to buy.

00:50:14 Speaker_01
You haven't been wiped out by seeing it crash. So I want all the protections I can. And empty stocks or investments are not, at least, they aren't as safe as protecting your investments.

00:50:35 Speaker_00
That's made me nervous with stops, because how do you know when you should get out and when something's like an emergency? You don't.

00:50:44 Speaker_01
You don't have to know. And I explain this in the second page of my newsletter. Again, anybody can ask for a free copy.

00:50:54 Speaker_01
But what you do is, if you paid $40, then if you put, let's say, 5% on it, then I think you're covering it for about, if it drops down to maybe, let's say, $36 or $37, they automatically, you will find them the next day if you go look.

00:51:18 Speaker_01
that you don't own that stock anymore, but you have what's left and you didn't lose the whole amount, your whole $40 per stock purchase, you haven't lost.

00:51:33 Speaker_01
You've lost 5%, which is not a big loss compared to if it dropped all the way down and you had no stop on it.

00:51:45 Speaker_00
Got it. So just in terms of protecting yourself so that you can lose like a certain percentage, but if it goes below that, then you get out. You don't have to do a thing.

00:51:57 Speaker_01
Everything will be done for you.

00:51:59 Speaker_00
But if it's like a company or a stock that you really believe in in the long term, you would want to make sure that you get back in right away?

00:52:07 Speaker_01
Well, not necessarily. You don't have to be in that big of a hurry. I'm looking at that FTAI Aviation. You know, you can see that it's had some pullbacks, and it's still a good stock to buy. So, if you went back in and you got stopped out, go ahead.

00:52:29 Speaker_01
Try it again. I'm getting tired of messing with Snowflake. put it in two, three times, and it does have the magic formula, but they run into problems. So protecting one's investment, to me, is very important.

00:52:48 Speaker_00
Yeah, that seems like it would be really smart, especially for new investors or investors where if you don't have a ton of money to throw around, maybe you don't have a lot of expendable income where you would want to make sure it's protected.

00:53:00 Speaker_00
And that could maybe make some people feel more comfortable than trading that they might be otherwise.

00:53:06 Speaker_01
But can you imagine anybody buying in this last two years to see these magnificent sevens go to $1,000, $2,000, and some of them have gone $3,000. And for that one stock you bought, that's kind of a nice reward.

00:53:29 Speaker_00
Yeah, I think, you know, for some people that could be just like life changing in terms of investments.

00:53:35 Speaker_01
Absolutely. Absolutely. And to me, it beats gambling, which is in favor of the house. And they make the money. The gambler doesn't and any other form. So I regard it as a great source. And I'm an optimist.

00:53:54 Speaker_01
So any gloom and doomers, they better prove their case.

00:53:59 Speaker_00
CB Yeah. Well, I guess that is a question because I'm a younger person. I'll turn 40 this year.

00:54:07 Speaker_00
So most of my career as a professional astrologer over the past 14, 15, I've been studying astrology for 20 years, but certainly was doing it full-time by 2009, 2010, which is when we were just starting to try to come out of the Great Recession.

00:54:23 Speaker_00
So the economy has been on its way upwards for most of that time in the past 10 to 15 years. So I have been curious what things would be like at some point.

00:54:32 Speaker_01
Oh, you're going to be, yeah, dangerous if you ever decide to use that information. I always thought psychology would be where astrology was recognized, Jung and so forth.

00:54:46 Speaker_01
But it was really in the mid-80s when I saw the way the market, the ups and downs and how it fits astrology, and people actually were using it.

00:55:01 Speaker_01
How many CEOs I've worked with, you know, call it their gut feeling or whatever they use to say, I've got an extra tool, and they consider astrology an extra tool.

00:55:14 Speaker_00
Yeah. One of the things that's really nice and appealing about it, just coming into it recently, is it's something where there's an objective data set where you have graphs from the financial world that you can compare the planetary. Absolutely.

00:55:27 Speaker_00
You can see it.

00:55:31 Speaker_00
You can see, for example, the Mars-Uranus conjunction that just occurred this week, and then how there was the greatest tech outage in history just a few days later is an objective piece of data, and you can see how that lined up really well.

00:55:45 Speaker_00
I think maybe that's part of the reason why you know, for certain people, it might be a more compelling demonstration of astrology compared to like therapy or psychology.

00:55:55 Speaker_01
Well, you'll have to say, because as I mentioned, when interest rates went down in the, I believe it was 1984-2, we had the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction and Sag, and the market took off. So, what can I say?

00:56:12 Speaker_01
It's a lot easier to prove it through the financial astrology, and I still have great respect and use psychology. It's a valuable tool.

00:56:26 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, it's just a good thing.

00:56:29 Speaker_00
Sometimes the best astrologers are ones that are well-rounded where you've learned many different applications of astrology and even just developing some basic proficiency with the different areas can be a good thing because it can help you to become more well-rounded.

00:56:45 Speaker_01
Absolutely.

00:56:47 Speaker_00
Yeah, that makes sense. So one of the things I've noticed recently is in looking into some companies to invest into, a lot of the big up-and-coming companies these days are private, and you can't actually buy their stock publicly. No, you can't.

00:57:05 Speaker_00
And it seems like this is a major new trend, but it seems troubling because to me this seems like an actual tangible demonstration of that thing you always hear where they talk about

00:57:16 Speaker_00
the rich are getting richer and that it's becoming harder for people in the lower class to break into that.

00:57:24 Speaker_00
This seems like it would be a tangible example of that because for some of these private stocks, the only way you can invest in them is if you have- But they don't.

00:57:34 Speaker_01
In other words, you're You can't in private companies, only public companies that are listed on stock exchanges. You can't consider them for investing at all.

00:57:48 Speaker_00
Well, some of the private ones, evidently nowadays you can, but you have to have a minimum of like $100,000 to invest in it at all, which is just outside of the range of most individuals.

00:58:00 Speaker_01
They may be selling something, but it isn't publicly traded stocks.

00:58:05 Speaker_00
Okay, got it. So that seems like it's a potential barrier to entry then that's emerging in terms of normal people being able to invest and have some of those- Normal people can absolutely access the markets.

00:58:21 Speaker_01
The Dow, the New York Stock Exchange, all the conferences we had were in cities that had exchanges, and the S&P 500. Most of mine are in the NASDAQ because they tend to go so high. They tend to be the most profitable.

00:58:42 Speaker_00
Got it. Do you see, though, this emergence of more companies staying private as being a challenge potentially in the future in terms of not being able to invest in some of those up-and-coming companies?

00:58:53 Speaker_01
They've always been there. Look at Dell. They were publicly traded for a long time. Then they became a private company. So a lot of them go on and off, but basically a private company is a private company and a public company.

00:59:14 Speaker_01
They decide, look how many companies there are, 8,000? There's plenty to choose from. Some are really bad. Oh, I always get asked, well, if you know what the sectors are, why don't we just buy ETFs? And I will say, absolutely not.

00:59:35 Speaker_01
That's the group of stocks in that sector. Why in the world would you buy a group of stocks that have the good and the bad in them? Wouldn't a better trading plan be to look at an investor's business daily?

00:59:54 Speaker_01
What's the top stock in that sector or any other sector you're looking at and just buy those top stocks?

01:00:03 Speaker_00
Yeah, I was looking into this recently as well because I was looking for, I think with Pluto and Aquarius and Uranus and Gemini, that robotics is going to be a big one. So I looked into it and there's a robotics ETF where it has a collection.

01:00:18 Speaker_00
You buy one stock and it's a collection of 10 or 20 different companies that are vaguely connected with robotics.

01:00:25 Speaker_01
You just proved my point.

01:00:27 Speaker_00
Yeah. No, I'm proving your point.

01:00:28 Speaker_00
Just expanding on it for the audience that, and I could see in there that there were some companies that were very directly connected with the robotics, but there were others that were more tangentially, or there were some that weren't very good stocks.

01:00:41 Speaker_00
So if you buy an ETF, the downside is that you're buying a whole package that may contain some good ones and some bad ones.

01:00:48 Speaker_01
Right.

01:00:49 Speaker_00
Okay.

01:00:50 Speaker_02
So your recommendation is just to buy- Go for the best and it'll keep being the best.

01:00:56 Speaker_00
Got it. Okay. So research the best companies to whatever extent you can and invest in those.

01:01:01 Speaker_01
Right.

01:01:03 Speaker_00
Got it. And then, um, one of the classic is the primary goal for those that are new. The primary goal is always for when it comes to stocks, at least is to buy low and sell high, right?

01:01:15 Speaker_01
Well, that would be nice, but that's the ideal. When anything is high, it's going higher. Hmm. Anything is low. It's going lower.

01:01:27 Speaker_00
That's the tendency you usually see?

01:01:31 Speaker_01
That's the pattern. It works.

01:01:35 Speaker_00
Okay. To what extent do you try to mind up and coming?

01:01:41 Speaker_01
You don't want to catch a falling knife.

01:01:44 Speaker_00
Right. If something's falling, it has a tendency to keep falling.

01:01:47 Speaker_02
Let it fall. Get out of its way.

01:01:50 Speaker_00
Got it. So in order to stay safe in terms of the investing, you try to invest primarily in companies that are well-established and ones that have a good trend and momentum going up?

01:02:01 Speaker_01
And they'll keep going. It's like people might say, well, if it had a gap up, it's too high. I can't buy it. 30 years ago, we also had a stock club. And what a mix of people. But some of them refused to buy if they kept saying it's too high.

01:02:19 Speaker_01
And I think they were proven that stocks that are high go higher. And that's how William O'Neill of IBD made his money.

01:02:32 Speaker_00
At what point, though, do you sell in order to lock in profits?

01:02:39 Speaker_01
Well, 20%. If you've made 20%, get out.

01:02:44 Speaker_00
Okay. And do you get the out partially, like you sell off a percentage or do you get out completely?

01:02:50 Speaker_01
And I've again, explain that in terms of you might want to go in slowly. You bought your first stack. Now you're going to buy five more of it cause it's doing good. And then you're going to buy five more.

01:03:01 Speaker_01
And when it comes time to sell, cause it's thousands of dollars, you can sell off part of it. I want to buy something else. So I'm going to sell off a thousand dollars worth. You can do whatever you want. You're in control.

01:03:17 Speaker_01
You are your own portfolio manager.

01:03:21 Speaker_00
Got it. OK.

01:03:24 Speaker_00
And in terms of newer companies, have you ever seen a company that's like a new IPO where the stock has just become public so you can buy it where you, just based on that chart and based on the industry and everything else, that you have a really good feeling about it so that you invest in it right from the start?

01:03:42 Speaker_00
Or do you tend to wait until a company has that momentum?

01:03:45 Speaker_01
I tend to wait at least 10 days. or maybe sometimes it's a year. As I said, Facebook, it took it a year and a half, but look at where it's at now. So you can just watch it.

01:04:01 Speaker_01
If you want to just go ahead and buy a few and see what happens, or just wait a few days. You don't have to think like a trader. You're an investor and you want to go, you want to ride up with a favorable stock.

01:04:20 Speaker_00
Yeah, I've noticed it seems like there's a truism or something generally held knowledge that when a stock first becomes public, it tends to have a bump like immediately after, but then sometimes it tends to drop off for a period of time.

01:04:35 Speaker_00
Is that pretty common?

01:04:36 Speaker_02
Yeah, it's pretty common.

01:04:38 Speaker_00
Okay, got it. All right. What are we missing? We've gone through so much in this hour that we've been talking, but I know there might be some other points about financial astrology that I'm not thinking of or that I've- Well, you do a tremendous job.

01:04:54 Speaker_02
It's amazing. Keep up the good work.

01:04:58 Speaker_00
Thank you. So are there any other points? We've talked about the incorporation chart being really crucial as like the birth chart of the company. Do you also pay attention to things like the chart of the CEO?

01:05:12 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. If you want to look in the incorporation chart, the son describes the CEO, the sign, the placement. And that used to be really funny when I'd write out stuff. Now I work strictly directly with the clients.

01:05:31 Speaker_01
But I would describe the CEO, and if I never met them, I was doing this for, let's say, a vice president or something. and describe them by the sun and house position, and it never failed.

01:05:48 Speaker_01
I mean, you know, you got an altruistic one, you've got a triple Scorpio one, and oh, by the way, triple Scorpios are, I had them right and left in the 1990s, and I don't know why, but that's a powerful position for CEOs.

01:06:11 Speaker_00
Okay. Yeah, that's really interesting.

01:06:13 Speaker_00
It's kind of like how something I've noticed that's sort of ancient wisdom, but it turns out to be true that sometimes like the chart of the head of a company or of a country, like the president of a country, sometimes when their chart is getting hit by transits, it kind of sometimes reflects what's going on in the country in general.

01:06:31 Speaker_01
Mm-hmm. In the United States chart, this Pluto return is what the democracy and the possibility of ending our constitution is all about.

01:06:44 Speaker_00
Okay. Yeah, a lot of people nervous about that with Pluto going into Aquarius and that inauguration chart that's coming up.

01:06:53 Speaker_02
Right.

01:06:55 Speaker_00
And we saw an example of that, I guess, just yesterday with the CEO part, but the CEO of CrowdStrike has been doing the rounds over the past day.

01:07:04 Speaker_03
Pretty funny, isn't it?

01:07:06 Speaker_00
Doing damage control after that worldwide IT outage that was caused by that company.

01:07:11 Speaker_01
Right. What can I say? That's what a CEO has to do. Clean up.

01:07:21 Speaker_00
What about, have you ever studied, one of the things I've found interesting over the years, I only have a few of them, but sometimes looking at the charts of really famous investors like Warren Buffett is really fascinating to me and seeing what placements they have in their chart that make them so successful.

01:07:37 Speaker_01
Well, again, particularly like the Sun-Jupiter, I was thinking of the assassination or attempted assassination of the nominee of one of the political parties, and with his son Jupiter.

01:07:58 Speaker_01
This is so typical in his case, of course, it probably means having been saved from a lot by his father, who came in and covered his bills, the casinos failed, and so many of his business interests.

01:08:15 Speaker_01
But that sun, Jupiter, can also save you from a lot of problems.

01:08:21 Speaker_00
Yeah, it's interesting to see charts sometimes where there's a negative indication, but then there's a positive thing that offsets it. Oh, right.

01:08:29 Speaker_01
I mean, it's like students would say, I want the Jupiter. And I'd say, well, yeah, but you have to take the good with the bad. You may overspend, you may exaggerate, you may do things in excess that get you into trouble.

01:08:45 Speaker_00
Yeah. I've used Warren Buffett's chart a few times. And I think it's interesting he has all these eighth house placements.

01:08:55 Speaker_00
And I didn't ever fully understand that except that I know the eighth house often has to do with working with other people's money. And I thought that was impressive in terms of being a fund manager.

01:09:06 Speaker_00
But I didn't realize there was an additional piece to that until recently, which is that he had a business partner named Charlie Munger.

01:09:14 Speaker_01
that he worked with for his entire career. A law firm. Monger.

01:09:22 Speaker_00
Here's his chart really quickly. It's reported to be Sag rising, and he has that Jupiter is the ruler of the Ascendant exalted in Cancer. There's conjunct Pluto, like you were talking about.

01:09:34 Speaker_02
He worked with a partner

01:09:41 Speaker_00
that really closely until just, I think, just a few years ago.

01:09:44 Speaker_01
Absolutely. He just passed away this year. Yeah.

01:09:49 Speaker_00
So that's interesting.

01:09:51 Speaker_01
Isn't it? No, I was just going to say the wife of the newly designated vice president of one of the political parties worked for Munger Law Firm. There's always connections.

01:10:09 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. So sometimes that might be illustrative though to study the charts of people that are successful financially or successful investors in order to see what they do and what they do right.

01:10:22 Speaker_00
Or alternatively, I'm sure there's some charts of people that have been not successful or have made a mistake at some point and seeing what the transits were that coincided with that.

01:10:34 Speaker_01
And I started to say, and buy a furniture company and watch it grow from nothing to worldwide.

01:10:44 Speaker_03
Who did that?

01:10:45 Speaker_01
That was one of his early investments. And the Berkshire Hathaway. Yeah.

01:10:51 Speaker_00
Got it.

01:10:52 Speaker_01
Isn't it fascinating?

01:10:55 Speaker_00
Yeah. I mean, and then also sometimes when you work with clients, in our birth charts, there's individual placements that are the financial sectors, and I'm sure that's relevant sometimes in terms of investing.

01:11:09 Speaker_01
Can you imagine when you see Sun, Jupiter, Pluto in a new client's chart? Oh, my questions are always, what are you doing with it? If that to my, them to myself, what are you doing with this? Do you even know what you've got?

01:11:27 Speaker_01
It's like people not knowing they're a Jupiter, uh, you know, trying Saturn or try and whatever. And, uh, not even knowing they've got something and they could take much more risks than they are.

01:11:42 Speaker_00
So there's some people that just have a signature for greater success with financial investing than others might?

01:11:51 Speaker_01
People would say, boy, you're lucky. But it's so complicated. I wish it was simpler. But look at how many factors we're looking at in one chart, and let alone a business chart.

01:12:04 Speaker_01
So, it's always interesting to me, okay, let's see what the business chart looks like. Or sometimes I start with the business chart and want to see. And I've worked with as many as four partners at the same time.

01:12:18 Speaker_01
Oh, in that case, they were all in the wrong spots. So, they switched around astrologically, and the company really got off the ground.

01:12:29 Speaker_00
Nice. So there's sometimes people that have good signatures, but then one of the things you also try to do is help in terms of electing things that maybe there's certain transits that would be better for doing certain things financially than others.

01:12:45 Speaker_01
And that's why I started 25 years ago, the right time quarterly. because it not only has times to sign, and they all have the Sun-Jupiter-Pluto combinations in them, but a calendar to avoid the void of course.

01:13:03 Speaker_01
In other words, don't make your sales calls, then do your filing or something. And by the time I was trying to figure everything out, now I do some for all over the world, depending on how it fits in with the business.

01:13:18 Speaker_01
And also to explain what's going on in the corridor for the business. So it's just made it easier for me to write one for breaking down the whole country by time zones and major cities.

01:13:42 Speaker_00
I did a video on Joan Quigley recently and just her work with Reagan.

01:13:49 Speaker_01
Did you know her? I never met her personally, but I certainly still have books in my collection. Every financial astrologer who wrote, I think, got copies of all their stuff.

01:14:06 Speaker_00
I'd always heard from astrologers that around back then that people either knew or astrologers either knew or suspected that Reagan used astrology because he would do things at really weird times.

01:14:16 Speaker_01
And even his inaugural as governor in California, he held up everything for the right time. Yeah, he did it at 1210. Sidney Omar, who was their astrologer, that was Jane Wyman. his first wife who introduced him to Sidney Omer.

01:14:37 Speaker_00
Okay, so Sidney Omer may have done the election because when he became governor of California in 1967, he did his inauguration at 1210 at night, like at midnight, and it was reported to be for astrological reasons potentially.

01:14:54 Speaker_01
Right, absolutely. Yes, it was. And he was called like a time grabber. He wasn't supposed to be until noontime, or I think it was.

01:15:05 Speaker_00
Well, one of the things that's interesting about that is that during the Iran-Contra scandal, Quigley advised Reagan to say nothing and to be silent and don't do anything for a period of several months, which ended up at least for him working.

01:15:19 Speaker_01
No press conferences, she said.

01:15:22 Speaker_00
No press conferences. So in the financial world, I'm sure there's similar things where sometimes a person's having a bad transit and potentially you've had to advise them not to do anything for a period of time.

01:15:35 Speaker_01
Right. Absolutely. Yes.

01:15:40 Speaker_00
Yeah. I was reflecting on that recently as I was having some bad transits myself and having the impulse to want to like put something out on social media or do something, but then realizing like, no, this is just not the time to act.

01:15:54 Speaker_00
Just wait until it passes and things will be better. So I realized that that's a really crucial component, no matter what type of astrology you're doing. is not just knowing when to do something, but also knowing when to withhold action as well.

01:16:10 Speaker_01
When to hold them and when to fold them, said that great philosopher Kenny Rogers.

01:16:16 Speaker_00
CB Right.

01:16:18 Speaker_00
So sometimes maybe from a financial standpoint, would that be like when Saturn's transiting through or Mars is transiting through the second house or something like that, that it might be more of a period of consolidation rather than one of expansion?

01:16:32 Speaker_01
JG Most of the clients I work with are not going to stand still too long, so it can't be like a week would be too long, I'm afraid. So you might advise them. Again, it's each circumstance, as I found out, is so different.

01:16:52 Speaker_01
The combination of factors plus whatever they're doing. Maybe it's easier for them to take a vacation at that time.

01:17:01 Speaker_00
Sure, yeah. Just take a break for a little bit. That's interesting. And then to think of other aspects of that.

01:17:10 Speaker_00
Is there anything else you've learned from working with clients or seen from an astrological standpoint that's become just an important part of your working knowledge?

01:17:21 Speaker_01
You know, I learn every day. both the psychological complexities, and I know when I have to really begin working with a CEO on active listening because there's big problems, does not know how to correctly listen,

01:17:41 Speaker_01
And until I've really listened pretty good to someone, do I know what direction we're going, whether it's brand new business starting in a foreign country or someone who I may have worked with for a while and is having difficulties.

01:18:04 Speaker_01
It's a learning experience.

01:18:07 Speaker_00
That makes sense. So there is still, even though you're dealing with objective things with the markets, psychology still plays a major role when it comes to incorporating astrology into finance.

01:18:18 Speaker_01
Absolutely. Yep. The more you know, the better you're able to serve your client.

01:18:27 Speaker_00
Got it. And the market itself is actually remarkably psychological in terms of the way it sometimes reacts to things, right?

01:18:35 Speaker_01
Absolutely. The way people react is absolutely psychological.

01:18:42 Speaker_00
Got it. So sometimes that can be an element there in terms of like looking at a Jupiter transit and maybe feelings of like optimism or looking at a Saturn transit and feelings of fear and things like that.

01:18:55 Speaker_01
Fear of disappointments or whatever. Instead of saying, you know, you're in a solid place, the Jupiter transit can come and go, And it was very momentary. Saturn, you may set up a whole new business and it's going to last for your lifetime.

01:19:16 Speaker_01
So, Saturn is stability and structure. So, that's important too. And who the person is. I'm dying to ask you what your ascendant is.

01:19:34 Speaker_00
Oh, I'm Aquarius rising.

01:19:37 Speaker_01
Me too.

01:19:37 Speaker_00
Oh, nice. I'm Aquarius rising with Scorpio stellium.

01:19:43 Speaker_01
And I have a Scorpio Sun with a Sag stellium and Aquarius rising.

01:19:49 Speaker_00
Nice. All right. That's great. I didn't know that.

01:19:52 Speaker_01
You're going to be dangerous once you start into the financial world.

01:19:57 Speaker_00
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. It's just a fascinating area to learn because, like what you're saying, with the charts and everything, it's a much more objective way to study astrology.

01:20:09 Speaker_00
And actually, my first exposure to that was during the pandemic because with COVID and the COVID levels sometimes shooting up, there was an objective metric with which we were able to compare some of the astrological transits during different waves.

01:20:25 Speaker_00
But you have a very similar thing when it comes to financial astrology, so it's interesting from that vantage point. And you mentioned we were talking about Saturn versus Jupiter and optimism versus pessimism.

01:20:38 Speaker_00
That kind of language is already built into the financial discussions when people talk about a bull market versus a bear market, right?

01:20:48 Speaker_01
Right. Absolutely.

01:20:50 Speaker_00
So a bull market is when things are going up and up and up and people are optimistic and investing a lot in the stock market's growing versus a bear market is when people are pessimistic and it's falling and they think it's going to go down.

01:21:05 Speaker_01
Right, right. And if you can figure out the right times to do that. But I think what's important overall, since the beginning of the markets, the market has gone up with pullbacks, but it's at the top of its ascent.

01:21:27 Speaker_01
So to miss opportunities is, you can take risks, protect yourself, and you should do very well.

01:21:39 Speaker_00
But, okay. Yeah, and we'll see how things go in terms of, because other geopolitical things can happen. And I guess that's one of the things I'm curious about is just the economy has been on its way up over the past 15 years since the last recession.

01:21:55 Speaker_01
And I'm just curious, not just- Yeah, look at the reports, the CPIs, the PPIs, everything. This economy is so solid. What are people, not getting and interest rates at 2%? Unbelievable.

01:22:14 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm nervous about geopolitically, like, for example, Uranus and Gemini and the history that the US has had with that in terms of three major wars.

01:22:26 Speaker_00
The past three times that's happened with Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War II, what something like that would do to the markets.

01:22:36 Speaker_00
I'm kind of curious about because then we get into kind of like uncharted territory there if some major conflict broke out, for example.

01:22:44 Speaker_01
And Uranus and Taurus is a repeat of the 1930s and all the fascists. Mussolini, who put a law equivalent to our citizens that corporations could buy into politics. And that was in 2008.

01:23:06 Speaker_01
So there are so many things that are repeating that are of concern.

01:23:14 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. Well, we'll have to take that into account then in terms of where things are going forward into the future. But it's amazing knowing that we have this additional tool in terms of being able to look at planetary cycles.

01:23:29 Speaker_02
It's wonderful.

01:23:30 Speaker_00
Yeah, if nothing else, that's fascinating.

01:23:32 Speaker_00
Whether it's like good events or bad events, just having that perspective as an astrologer and just being so fascinated and continually fascinated even after 20 years for me that it still works as well as it does is amazing.

01:23:45 Speaker_01
Yes. There isn't a day I go, wow, right on schedule, look at the headlines at Bloomberg's and the New York Times or the Washington Post. It's amazing. It really is.

01:23:59 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. All right, great. Well, is there anything else before we wrap up or any other topics that we should have touched on?

01:24:08 Speaker_01
I think you've done a great job.

01:24:10 Speaker_00
Cool.

01:24:11 Speaker_01
All right.

01:24:12 Speaker_00
Yeah, this has been amazing. Thank you so much for joining me today. So tell me about yourself. Tell me where people can find out more information about your work and your offerings.

01:24:21 Speaker_01
just go to our website, which is astroeconomics.com. I have a blog on the website. And as I said, ask for a free copy of this month's stock market newsletter. And a lot of the things we talked about are in that newsletter.

01:24:39 Speaker_01
Okay, so you put out a monthly newsletter and then- That's the stock market newsletter and each year I write the book on how to choose stocks and the book is available and it's for 2024. Got it. I'll start working on 2025 this in a few months.

01:24:59 Speaker_00
And it's titled How to Choose Stocks to Outperform the Market?

01:25:02 Speaker_01
Correct.

01:25:03 Speaker_00
You've done like 20 editions of that, right?

01:25:06 Speaker_01
I've been every year. I update all the information. You have the stacks for the next year, the sectors, the cycles like real estate cycles and the McWhorter economic cycles right on. I mean, it's just, it is amazing.

01:25:27 Speaker_00
That's incredible. So in terms of your writing process, you must spend most of the year researching that and then you try to publish it in the fall of each year?

01:25:38 Speaker_01
Right, I have usually a webinar and the book is available. And the webinar covers the latest, whatever is in the book and what happened that day. So everything is always as current as I can get it.

01:25:54 Speaker_01
I was a reporter years ago, and President of the League of Women Voters. So it's important to be up to date and use reliable sources.

01:26:05 Speaker_00
Nice. Yeah, I know that's something you emphasize in your work is that it's really important to have reliable news sources because if you don't, then your investing is going to be off if you're taking in false information.

01:26:19 Speaker_01
Absolutely. Your life is a problem if you're taking in false information. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say my editor used to say, who are your two reliable sources, right? I'm on the top of the sheet and we don't print. Nice.

01:26:38 Speaker_00
Cool. All right. Well, yeah, people should check out your website at astroeconomics.com and I'll put a link to the website in the description below this video on YouTube or on the podcast website. But otherwise, thanks so much for joining me today.

01:26:51 Speaker_01
Oh, it's a pleasure, Chris. Keep up the good work.

01:26:54 Speaker_00
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