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Episode: Episode 613: Latoya Ammons and the Demon house
Author: Morbid Network | Wondery
Duration: 01:13:15
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In January 2014, a strange article appeared in the Indianapolis Star about Latoya Ammons, an Indiana single mother of three who claimed that for more than a year, she and her children were besieged by demons in their rented home. Ammons claimed, among other things, that the house was constantly
infested with black flies, the children were levitated from their beds, and her nine-year-son became possessed and walked up a wall backwards. And that was only the beginning; by the end of just one year in the house, the Ammons family claim they were terrorized by all manner of supernatural assaults, from ghostly apparitions to demonic entities. Latoya Ammons’ story might well have gone unnoticed, had it not been for the surprising number of witnesses to the paranormal events, from family and friends to police officers and social workers. Still, Latoya was not without her critics or skeptics—some accused her of fabricating the story to get out of her lease, while others assumed she was simply delusional. Regardless of the explanation for the cause of the events, there’s no denying that Latoya Ammons story is one of the most terrifying paranormal experiences heard in decades.Thank you to the Incredible Dave White of Bring Me the Axe Podcast for research and Writing support!ReferencesBiddle, Kenny. 2018. Demon House Deconstructed. May 21. Accessed September 30, 2024. https://skepticalinquirer.org/exclusive/demon-house-deconstructed/.Dawn, Randee. 2024. Is 'The Deliverance' based on a true story? August 30. Accessed September 30, 2024. https://www.today.com/popculture/movies/the-deliverance-true-story-latoya-ammons-rcna167984.Kwiatkowski, Marisa. 2014. "The exorcisms of Latoya Ammons." Indianapolis Star, January 26: A1.Maginot, Mike. 2012. "Report seeking permission of bishop for exorcism." Indianapolis Star. May 21. Accessed September 27, 2024. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1005721-report-to-bishop.html.Nickell, Joe. 2014. "The '200 demons' house: a skeptical demonologist's report." Skeptical Inquirer 20-24.Washington, Valerie. 2012. Intake officer's report of preliminary inquiry and investigation. Intake report, Indianapolis, IN: Indiana Department of Children's Services.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Summary
In Episode 613 of the Morbid podcast, titled "Latoya Ammons and the Demon House," the hosts delve into the unsettling account of Latoya Ammons, a single mother from Indiana, whose family experienced alarming paranormal phenomena starting in early 2014. These included bizarre occurrences like her children levitating and experiencing possession-like behavior, corroborated by numerous witnesses including family and law enforcement. Despite significant media attention and witness corroboration, Latoya's story faced skepticism, with critics suggesting delusion or fabrication. The episode examines belief, skepticism, and the perplexing nature of supernatural events surrounding this chilling case.
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Hey Weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alina. And this is Morbid. This is Morbid. It's Morbid at Asha's house in Queens. It's all different. Remix. Remix. Perky, perky. Remix. We have some construction happening at my house, so. Yeah.
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Luckily, we have a second recording location now. Yes. I need to work on getting this like a little more soundproof, but all the soundproofy things that I found, I don't like. Like they're ugly. I don't like the aesthetic of that. The aesthetic.
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So I have to, I'm going to work on it. Yeah, you just got to get some bookshelves. Yeah, exactly. There's actually going to be some construction going on at my house in November, so hopefully they're done with your construction.
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Yeah, we'll be switching back over to the other house. All the construction. Mucho construction. Guys, it's still spooky season. It's still spooky season. We went to our first haunted house of the season. Yes, Barrett. It's always Barrett's.
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You're wearing your sweatpants. I am. I'm wearing my Barrett's sweatpants. They're really comfy. Barrett. They're so comfy. It's in Abington. It's in Abington, right? I think so, yeah. It's like behind the Abington Ale House. It is top notch.
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The best haunted house on the planet, I believe. They tear the shit down every year and rebuild it to completely new. Yeah. And they do a fucking phenomenal job. This year, the theme is gameplay. And there's all these rooms, like little gaming areas.
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Yeah, it's super, it's just so well done. And I think they spend like months getting these sets together and you can tell. Yeah, and all the actors, like the makeup they do, it's all like... Top notch. The process is just really impressive.
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So if you're looking for a haunted house in the New England area, that's your guy. Barretts, man, you got to go. Yeah. We're going to do a couple more. Yeah. We were a little lackadaisical this year. We were. Well, we got sidetracked with COVID.
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We got sidetracked with the book tour happening. I know. And now we got to make up for it. We only got a couple more weekends. I know. We only have, I guess we have three technically. I feel like we never go on Halloween weekend. Yeah, we really don't.
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I feel like it's too crazy. But maybe we will this year. Maybe we'll change it up. Where are we going to go? Yeah. I also went to a cat show this weekend. You sure did. I took the kids to the cat show. Me, my cousin Drew, and all the kids.
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I was like, let's go to a fucking cat show. And I fought every single urge within my body to not bring home another cat. I mean, yeah. If you have four cats, go off. Go off. I can't live a four-cat life. I can't do it.
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And my cats will not live a four-cat life. No. I think Franklin would just eat another cat if we brought one home. But they had those Scottish smooshy ones. Oh, those are so cute. Yeah, they are. They are really cute.
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And I think they have a lot of health problems. Oh no, they're like an English bulldog. Yeah, I think they're like interbreeded. So they're like, it's not cool, actually. It's not cool. You're like, they're super cute, but it's not cool.
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But I'm like, I wanna save you. I know, yeah. Exactly. I was waiting for you to pick that up. I just scream in the cat's face. Save me too. Scream a something corporate song into a cat's face. That's Ash energy. Do that today.
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Pour one out for Scottish cats and sing in your own cat's face. I think that's something corporate tour just ended actually. I just saw that our friend Connor posted and said we did it. We love Connor. I said you did fucking do it. You did fucking do it.
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You did all of it. Yeah, you made our lives. Hell yeah. I know. We need to like There's things to be done still. There's work to be done. There's guests to be had. Guests to be booked. But we don't want to tell you. No, shut up. No, shut up.
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Imagine if I was serious. That'd be so sad. I would never tell you guys to shut up. I actually don't like the phrase shut up. You don't. Rude. Yeah. It is a little rude. Sorry if you hear my ice for a second. We're all alive and we're drinking iced coffee.
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I made us. It's actually really funny to see you drinking coffee out of a mason jar because it's not you. Aesthetically. Aesthetic. Mason jars are kind of my vibe right now. I love, this is good iced coffee. Oh, you're welcome. Oh, you're welcome.
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I do make a pretty good iced coffee, except I realized this morning that literally all of my creamer was expired. That's true. Luckily, I didn't realize it in the bad way. I said, oh, check those dates.
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And I checked and I said, whoop, whoop, whoop, three out of four. You got to be quick with the match. Yeah, I know. Well, I think it's still spooky season. I'm pretty sure it is. We'll never really know for sure when these publish.
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We're never going to know when episodes are coming. Yeah. Sometimes we look at Mikey and say, what day is this coming? What day is... What's going on? Where am I? Hello? But, you know, someday we'll know.
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Well, hopefully it's still spooky because I put a spooky case. Hopefully it's still spooky. I think it is. Me and Dave Davio worked on this. Davio. Davio, exactly. This is LaToya Ammons and The Demon House. The Demon House? The Demon House.
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If it starts to sound familiar to you at all, this is the case that the movie The Deliverance was based off of. It's Glenn Close? Yes. It's that one scene that you're all thinking about right now. If you're not thinking about it, go Google it.
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If you're not thinking about it, you can't have the internet. Yeah. Like you don't have the internet. You don't have the internet. But yeah.
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So it all started in January 2014 when a strange article appeared in the Indianapolis Star about Latoya Ammons, an Indiana single mother of three who claimed that for more than a year, she and her kids were absolutely besieged by demons in their rented house.
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Oh, damn. She claimed, among other things, that the house was constantly infested with black flies. So right off the bat, you're haunted. Oh, yeah. The kids were levitated from their beds. Oh, shit.
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Her nine-year-old son became possessed and walked up a wall backwards. Oh, my. Which, like, you might say, that's silly. That didn't happen. Multiple people saw this happen that were like, I don't know how to explain what happened there. What?
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And we'll get it. We'll get to that point. And that was just the beginning. By the end of just one year in this house, the family claimed that they were terrorized by
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all manner of supernatural assaults from ghostly apparitions to straight up demonic entities. Oh my. Yeah, things were popping off. Get Rachel Stavis in here. Rachel. Rachel, we need you. Rachel could have cleared this shit up in a minute. In a minute.
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Yeah. That's our girl. That's our girl, Rachel. Her story might have gone completely unnoticed if it wasn't for the surprising number of witnesses that actually saw these things. That's what takes this apart.
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Yeah, like family, friends, police officers, social workers. It kind of reminded me of the House of Flying Objects that you just did. Yeah. Because people were like, people that you wouldn't expect to sign off on this were signing off on it.
00:07:48 Speaker_00
But still, Latoya obviously wasn't without skeptics or critics. People accused her of fabricating the story to get out of her lease, and others just assumed that she might have been straight up delusional.
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But who knows what the explanation was for the cause of events. Either way, probably one of the most terrifying paranormal experiences I've ever read of. Damn, let's go. Let's get into it.
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So in November 2011, LaToya Ammons, her mother Rosa Campbell, and LaToya's three children, 13-year-old Nate, 12-year-old Shantae, and 7-year-old Andre, moved into their new rental house on this quiet, little tree-lined residential street in Gary, Indiana.
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And that wasn't their real names, right? No, I'm actually using the names from the movie based on the case, The Deliverance, like we were just saying, because the kids' names aren't public. Yeah.
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But it would have gotten super confusing if I was like, Child A, Child B, Child C. Yeah, and if they're not public, it's like, So I said, movie. Movie. So the thing was, things hadn't really been easy for LaToya in recent years.
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She was struggling to keep the kids on track in school, among other things. But the new house was an opportunity to kind of start fresh, and her main goal was to make good use of that opportunity. She was like, we got a new space. We're in a new area.
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Let's go. Fresh start. Unfortunately, things did not work out that way in any way, shape, or form. problems with the house started almost immediately.
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And it was early December when they started noticing swarms of these large black flies just gathering in the screened-in porch, which was unusual because house flies can't survive freezing temperatures. Sounds like Amityville. Yeah, exactly. But real.
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Yeah. Rosa remembered thinking, this is not normal. We killed them and killed them and killed them, but they just kept coming back, which is so gross. Then other strange experiences followed pretty quickly.
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A week or so after they noticed the flies, Latoya and Rosa started hearing just inexplicable noises in the house, always after midnight, well after the kids had gone to bed.
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And it sounded like someone with heavy footsteps was walking up the stairs from the basement into the kitchen. Fuck that. Which is what we heard our whole fucking lives. I was going to say that was my parents' house. You always heard, boom, boom, boom.
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And it sounded like work boots walking up the steps. Always. Yeah.
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And sometimes it was like, I would hear it in the basement late at night, but then sometimes you would hear footsteps on the main stairs too, which was- And you'd go over there and nothing was there. Literally nothing. I wouldn't even go over there.
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I was way too scared. But yeah, they were like, is somebody breaking in the house? Yeah. Because they would literally hear the door open and close. What the fuck? But they would come out of their bedrooms to investigate like, you're a brave ass.
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There was no sign of anybody in the basement or the kitchen. But they did notice that when they would turn the kitchen light on to get a better look, it would flicker making a crackling sound for a time and then stop. Which is like so creepy.
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That's horror movie shit. Literally. A few days later, they both decided that they were going to leave their bedroom doors open in the hope that they might catch a glimpse of whoever was climbing the stairs.
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Because they kept hearing it night after night. So one night, a little after 3 a.m. Of course. Of course. Rosa was woken by the sound of footsteps, just like all the previous nights.
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And when she looked out into the living room, she saw the shadowy figure of a man just pacing back and forth. No. Yup. Nope. Yup. Just get rid of the whole house. Burn it down. Burn it down. Burn it to the ground. Yeah.
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So the next morning she went out to investigate and she went with LaToya and they found, quote, what looked like muddy footprints from a boot. I would assume someone broke in my house. That's what they thought.
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They 100% thought that, like completely concerned that someone might be breaking in. They ended up putting a lock on the basement door. But on subsequent nights, they would hear the footsteps climbing the stairs.
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They would also hear pounding on the door as if whatever it was was trying to get in the kitchen. What the fuck? Yeah, I literally have chills just talking about it. The pounding on the door, like no. In the middle of the fucking night.
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So they're like dealing with all this, Latoya's trying to keep the kids on track in school, and she's also trying to keep these incidents from the kids because she's like- Not scare the shit out of them? Yeah, they're young.
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But the speed at which things escalated made it impossible to hide the fact that something was obviously wrong with this house. One day, about a month after moving in, Shante got home from school, and she went to put her things in her bedroom.
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But when she tried to open her bedroom door, it wouldn't open. She said it was like as if somebody was holding it shut from the other side. Oh, no. So after several tries to force the door, it finally popped open, and there was nobody in the room.
00:12:26 Speaker_00
What the fuck? She probably assumed it was one of her younger siblings fucking with her. Yeah, and then no one's in there and you're like, hello? Hello? In my parents' house, we would have been like, oh, the door just swelled. Yeah, exactly.
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The amount of times we blamed weird shit on the swollen doors. Yeah, just swelling doors or creaking or just the house settling. It's fine, don't worry. In the middle of winter, we're like, oh, it's the doors, they're swollen. Yeah, they're just swollen.
00:12:51 Speaker_00
But the family also noticed that there were indications of a problem seemingly all over the house. It wasn't just the basement, the kitchen, just like one bedroom. Everywhere. Their cell phones often failed to work despite full service.
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The picture on the television was constantly getting interrupted. And Latoya and Rosa had constant mechanical problems with their cars. And the sticks to adjust the Venetian blinds always seemed to sway back and forth on their own. Ew.
00:13:16 Speaker_00
Which something about that. Yeah, that's, I just, that's ew. I don't like it. I don't like that at all. I don't like it.
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For Latoya, the most disturbing experience was learning the extent of what the children had experienced in the house, because she's trying to keep this from them.
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Just like Rosa had seen that shadowy figure in the living room, the kids also saw what they believed to be spirits in the house. Both boys, this is one of the scariest things you'll ever hear in your life, so buckle up buttercups.
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Both of the boys reported seeing an elderly lady in the backyard who they described as looking like, quote, walking death with red eyes. I got that feeling that just blooms out the chills from within. The chill just came from the center of my stomach.
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That's a womb. Yeah, but it didn't even feel like a womb because to me that feels more warm. It was cold. of Univelment. I don't like that at all. I'm assuming that's probably who Glenn Close's character was, but I haven't actually seen the deliverance.
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When you look at a picture of her character, she looks like walking death with red eyes. The youngest son, Andre, would spend a lot of time with what he said was a boy his own age who he would play and talk with.
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According to Andrea and Nate, the boy would typically appear in their closet. Yo. Just the long talk. Yo. When a ghost appears in the closet, uh-uh. They have bad intentions.
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I'm not appearing in someone's closet in the afterlife unless I want to fuck their world up. You know who appeared in front of the closet for me in my life? She didn't have a body, she was just made of bones. See? And I can still see her in my mind.
00:15:11 Speaker_00
Here's the thing, I'm horrified that you witnessed that as a child. It hurts my soul. Yeah, it's a cool story, though. But I also would kill to have the image in my head that you have. I wish you could project it out.
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Yeah, I'm not an artiste, so maybe I could talk to Sean from Mostly Horror and describe her in vast detail. Yes. I think he could draw it. I'm going to text him after this. Yeah, Sean, if you're listening, we're coming for you.
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She had like cotton candy hair. It was like white, but it was like that texture. It was scary. Yo, you gotta write this down. I don't know why I'm in a place of yo right now. Have you been hanging out with Caleb? I know, right?
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You need to write all these details down so he can make this because we all need to see the actual vision of this woman.
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It's so funny because I have so many memories of like nightmares from when I was little that when I was little I didn't think were nightmares. Like I thought they were real. And now you're like, Were they real? They probably were. I have a lot of them.
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That's scary. Yes, it is. But then I'm also like, is it like the Trom Trom? I was going to say, is it trauma? Is it trauma or a nightmare? Could be a mix. I don't know. Could be a mix of both. I know for a fact that she didn't have a body.
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She was just made of bones. She was real. Oh, you said that from the time you were little. Yes. That's never changed. I drive by that building and I look up at the window and I'm like, And you're like, she's up there. Yeah, she is.
00:16:40 Speaker_00
I guarantee you interview if a fucking kid lived in that. They'll see she didn't have a body. She was just made of bones. Definitely. Yeah. But that's the thing. I'm like a kid showing up and showing up in someone's closet means you mean business. Yeah.
00:16:53 Speaker_00
Because if I'm in the afterlife, I'm showing up. There are some people. in my pocket right now that I will show up in their closet. And it will be me trying to fuck their whole world up. Absolutely. I wonder how that works.
00:17:09 Speaker_00
How do you decide where you get to go? Do you get to sign in for the day? You're like, today I will be showing up in this person's closet and you have to sign in. So everybody knows where you are. I have this person's closet covered.
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For months, the activity just continued, disrupting everybody's lives. Before long, the paranormal activity started affecting the children physically. Oh no. This is so sad.
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They were experiencing regular bouts of vomiting, fevers, diarrhea, things that kept them from going to school. Oh no.
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Later, LaToya also reported that she would discover blood on their pillowcases frequently, and she believed it was coming from their mouths. Oh my God. Yeah, like something was up. Oh, this is so upsetting.
00:20:41 Speaker_00
And just like so everybody knows, I believe in this one. We kind of debunked the Amityville horror there. It's already been debunked, so we talked about it. This one, I believe. This is scary.
00:20:54 Speaker_00
It's scary and just the sheer number of people who witnessed some like the things that Latoya was saying. Well, that's what that's what's really taking me for a ride.
00:21:02 Speaker_00
It's like that this isn't, you know, like the House of Flying Objects where it's like, there's one person in the room always. Yeah.
00:21:10 Speaker_00
Like, you know, you can at least somewhat be like, maybe it's a mixture of things or it could just be one thing or the other. Right.
00:21:17 Speaker_00
this seems like other people that are in higher positions that would go in as a skeptic because they have the best interest of like the children and everything in mind are seemingly witnessing this like you're saying so like except social workers and like police officers yeah so that's interesting like literally writing things in their reports of like yeah this is inexplicable
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That's scary. Yeah, it is. And then Rosa, her health started like a noticeable decline. She had three different kidney ailments that struck her one right after the other. Oh, jeez. And like living in this house.
00:21:50 Speaker_00
Up until that point, like before then, she had been fine. And then she moves into this house and she starts having all these kidney problems. Oh, kidney is bad. Yeah.
00:21:58 Speaker_00
Whatever was happening in the house had already taken a serious toll on everybody's physical and emotional health, but things just continued to get worse and worse. Oh my God, how?
00:22:08 Speaker_00
On March 10, 2012, the family was all up late into the early hours of the morning. They spent the day mourning the loss of a close family friend, unfortunately. And from the living room, Rosa heard Latoya screaming, Mama, Mama!
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So she went running to her daughter's bedroom, where she witnessed 12-year-old Shantae levitating several feet above her bed, completely unconscious. What the fuck? Mm-hmm. She said, I thought, what's going on? Why is this happening?
00:22:34 Speaker_00
And she immediately grabbed her Bible, and the family surrounded Shante, praying over her until she descended back onto the surface of the bed.
00:22:42 Speaker_01
What?
00:22:42 Speaker_00
Moments later, she woke up with no memory of what had happened. She had no idea that that had just all happened. Holy shit. And people are like praying loudly around her and she didn't wake up. And she's so cold.
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Until she like hit the bed and then like woke up a little bit after. According to LaToya, the guests who were staying at the house that night left and refused to ever come back after the incident. Holy shit. Yeah, so other people saw this.
00:23:04 Speaker_00
And are like, fuck that. And are like, I'm literally never stepping foot in that house again. Oh my god. It turned out that the levitation incident was just the beginning of the physical torment that the family was about to endure.
00:23:14 Speaker_00
That weekend Shante was sitting on the couch in the living room and she felt something grab her and yank her off the couch, throwing her to the floor.
00:23:21 Speaker_00
A few hours later, so that same day, one of the boys was in the bathroom when he claimed something grabbed him and jerked him to the floor, and this is like awful, quote, pulling on his limbs and genitals. What the fuck?
00:23:35 Speaker_00
Yeah, like demon, demon activity. Holy shit. According to Rosa and Latoya, when they entered the bathroom after hearing his screams, they could see something pushing outward from the inside of his stomach. What?
00:23:49 Speaker_00
This is fucked up in every way imaginable. It's unreal. Holy shit. And then a few hours later, so again, same day, Shantae was targeted again. This time, she was lifted off the ground and thrown into the refrigerator. My God. Insane.
00:24:05 Speaker_00
It turned out that whatever... These poor kids. I know. And this poor parent. Like, Jesus. Just everybody in this house. Witnessing this happening to their kids. And it's sad.
00:24:13 Speaker_00
And this is not a family that can just, like, pack up and go to a hotel for, like, a few nights. That's the thing. It's not, like, that's not, you know, an option for a lot of people. Like, that's the thing. Like, to just be like, oh, well, fuck that.
00:24:24 Speaker_00
I guess we'll just go pay this rent and also pay for something else. Exactly. And this is a bigger family too. Like, this is five people. That's a lot.
00:24:32 Speaker_01
Damn.
00:24:32 Speaker_00
It turned out whatever was harming Rosa Latoya and the children also wasn't limiting it to just to the family.
00:24:39 Speaker_00
Later, after family and friends left the memorial that they had at the house, several of them reported that something quote followed them home, giving them a heavy feeling or headache that took a couple weeks to finally dissipate. What?
00:24:51 Speaker_00
And this is multiple people who said this, and we'll get there in a little bit, but a police officer also claimed this. Holy shit. Yeah, it's interesting.
00:25:01 Speaker_00
Again, this isn't just this family being like, oh yeah, when no one's here, all this shit is happening, and you're like... Yeah. No, people would come over and see shit and be like, I'm never going back to that house.
00:25:10 Speaker_00
And then they'd go and have their own ailments. Shit followed them. Oh, my God. Crazy. That's terrifying.
00:25:16 Speaker_00
So it got to the point where no one wanted to come over and a lot of people weren't even down to like associate too closely with the family because they were scared. Yeah.
00:25:26 Speaker_00
So while Latoya and the kids had already endured various forms of unexplained phenomena and forms of supernatural harassment, I guess you could call it.
00:25:34 Speaker_00
The incidents that occurred on or around March 10th were much more aggressive than any of the ones before. My God, how? Rosa Campbell told her daughter, we need help. We need to talk to somebody who knows how to deal with it.
00:25:46 Speaker_00
But neither woman knew precisely what it was. They were pretty convinced, though, that it was supernatural in nature. So they went to the church to try to rid their lives of this. Yeah. Which, honestly, I'm not even a believer.
00:25:58 Speaker_00
And I think if all of this was happening to me, I might find a church. I don't even know. And especially if you're already religious, then of course, that's going to be your- That's where you go. Your outlet. Mm-hmm.
00:26:11 Speaker_00
So they started with the leadership at the church they attended, but they were pretty disappointed to discover that while the clergy at their church were sympathetic, they didn't really take them very seriously and didn't- That's fucked up.
00:26:23 Speaker_00
It is fucked up. And they said, like, sorry, we don't know what we can do to help. It's like these are members of your congregation that are coming to you and isn't that like the whole point of you? Yeah, you're supposed to offer. In times of need? Yeah.
00:26:36 Speaker_00
You're supposed to offer your assistance? You would think. And aren't like demons your thing to say? You're passing that donation basket around, I'm sure. Like come on, this poor family, like this mother
00:26:46 Speaker_00
with three children that she's taking care of by herself with her mother living with her, you're not going to try to help? No. Just come in and do a blessing. That's silly. Just bless the house. You don't need to do an exorcism.
00:26:57 Speaker_00
You don't need to do anything crazy. Just come in and say, most churches, I think a house blessing is pretty standard.
00:27:03 Speaker_00
I was going to say, I feel like every paranormal case that we talk about where the church does get involved, they at least come down and do a blessing. A lot of times they're like, yeah, I don't know what we can do, but we'll do the blessing.
00:27:14 Speaker_00
It doesn't even sound like they did that. For real. That reminds me, if you guys haven't read The September House yet by Carissa Orlando, read it. Nice. Especially the spooky season. Yeah. Read it. Okay. It's a real fucking good book.
00:27:27 Speaker_00
This made me think about it a little bit. Oh, okay. Yeah. They were even more disappointed to find out that this was the case with all the other churches in the area. Cool. They went and talked to multiple officials at multiple churches.
00:27:40 Speaker_00
all were sorry to hear about what was going on, but they said they weren't in a position to assist with their paranormal. Yeah, we can't come and just bless your house, will you? Nope, we can't. To make you feel better. We can't and we won't.
00:27:49 Speaker_00
We can't make you feel better, sorry. Sorry. That's fucked. You believe your whole life in something? Yeah, and then they don't help you in your time of need? They turn their back on you. And this seems like a fucking demon. And isn't that the whole thing?
00:28:02 Speaker_00
The whole thing is demons suck? Let's get rid of that. I think so. It's about the whole shebang. So it's like, you can't just come in and toss some holy water around at least to make maybe this will help make that family feel better. Yeah, exactly.
00:28:16 Speaker_00
Like, you don't even need to be like a, you know, an official ceremony or just come in. It doesn't have to be anything crazy. Yeah, do anything. Literally anything.
00:28:26 Speaker_00
But after failing to find literally any help within the churches in their area, Rosa called her mother Ruth and explained to her what was going on.
00:28:34 Speaker_00
And it just so happened that Ruth had a neighbor who quote, belonged to a church that dealt with deliverance more than Rosa and Latoya's Baptist church.
00:28:41 Speaker_00
So the neighbor offered to speak with the pastor at her own church to see what they could do to help.
00:28:46 Speaker_00
Now, while she waited to hear back from Ruth's neighbor, Latoya and Rosa took the advice of one local church, and they cleaned the house from top to bottom with ammonia.
00:28:54 Speaker_00
And then they used olive oil to make the sign of the cross on every door and window. And they also performed a similar blessing on the children, pouring the olive oil on their hands and feet and making the sign of the cross on their foreheads.
00:29:08 Speaker_00
So desperate for any kind of answer, Latoya also reached out to two local clairvoyants who informed her that, quote, the family's home was besieged by 200 demons, and the best thing they could do was move. 200 demons?
00:29:26 Speaker_00
Which when you hear that, you're like, what the fuck? That's insane. But also I feel like it kind of makes sense with the level that they're able to assault. It takes a lot of power.
00:29:36 Speaker_00
We were talking about the house of flying objects and that sounded like a poltergeist. That takes a lot of energy to build up. It takes weeks and weeks. It seems like this started happening to them almost immediately. 200 demons. 200 demons.
00:29:51 Speaker_00
And that these people are like, the only thing you can do is get the fuck out of here. Ultimately, yeah, pretty much.
00:29:58 Speaker_00
The explanation of the demonic infestation made sense to Latoya and Rosa because they were both devout Christians, but they were barely scraping by as it was, so moving just wasn't financially feasible at that time.
00:30:10 Speaker_00
So instead, they set up several altars around the house, draping end tables in white fabric and adorning them with religious icons, statues, Bible passages.
00:30:19 Speaker_00
And they also took the advice of the local clairvoyants, and they burned sage in each room of the house from top to bottom until the smoke was so thick that it became difficult to breathe. I mean, that's not good. Like, they're desperate.
00:30:32 Speaker_00
Like, that's not good to everybody. That's not good. Also, if you're saging, you're supposed to have the windows open. I was going to say, it's not supposed to build up in there. No, because the whole thing is you're saging something out.
00:30:43 Speaker_00
I'm pretty sure the smoke carries it out. Also, and again, I've always said it, you practice whatever religion you feel fits. I would never sway you against that or anything like that.
00:30:54 Speaker_00
As someone who doesn't practice that religion or a religion, the idea of this demon-infested home and now all these altars are set up. It's going to piss them off. Well, no, it is so chilling to think of.
00:31:08 Speaker_00
I'm like, this must have been the scariest setting of just this demonic chaos with all this religious paraphernalia around. Because religious horror to me- I was just going to say. Is the scariest. Because it just- It ups the ante.
00:31:25 Speaker_00
Yeah, it just brings a different vibe to it. I love it. Same. It really brings it to a place. Yeah. And this to me is like, but to think that this is real life.
00:31:34 Speaker_00
Because I'm like, this is religious horror right here, like setting up all the altars and shit. Then I'm like, oh my God, this was someone's existence. Yeah. And like three children and like, that's so scary.
00:31:45 Speaker_00
And imagine just like going to sleep for the night. Yeah. Just like wrapping up the day in that house. In that house. That's so fucking scary. What's going on in that house, how it's all set up now. And you're at your like most vulnerable. Fuck that.
00:31:57 Speaker_00
And they're all just desperate as hell and it's like, holy shit. I would be living at my friend's houses at that point. I'd be couch surfing. Yeah, seriously. But it's like, again.
00:32:06 Speaker_00
But your friends have distanced themselves because they're scared that they're going to have things attached to them. And there's five people here. Like, you can't just show up on somebody's doorstep with five people. With an entire family.
00:32:14 Speaker_00
Like, most people don't have friends that are like, yeah, all five of you can stay indefinitely. Yeah. So to LaToya's surprise, the rituals performed around the house actually seemed like they worked.
00:32:25 Speaker_00
For three days, things in the Amon's house were finally peaceful. No incidents, no activity. But the peace they experienced in the wake of the cleansing did not last long. After three days, the assault on the family worsened considerably.
00:32:38 Speaker_00
So I think it like pissed them off. Yeah. The demons. According to LaToya. The demons. The demons, that is. Yeah, like I'm speaking of the demons. And the diamonds. According to LaToya, she and each of her children experienced demonic possession.
00:32:51 Speaker_00
She said the kids' eyes bulged, evil smiles crossed their faces, and their voices would deepen every time it happened. No. Yeah. And she said she felt weak, lightheaded, and warm whenever a demon overtook her body.
00:33:05 Speaker_00
She said, you can tell it's something different, something supernatural. I hate this. Soon after, Andre took to spending his afternoons sitting in the closet with the ghost boy, who often told him what it was like to be murdered. Oh. My.
00:33:23 Speaker_00
I have chills that just will not evacuate. I literally, I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. Like my littlest had skeleton that you all know about him. But skeleton was just sitting there being like, I got a family. Yeah. And I'm going to go visit my family.
00:33:38 Speaker_00
He said, I'll go leave. And he never came back. And he just left. And that's great. And he never scared anybody. He never said like, hey, I was murdered. He just hung out. Yeah. You know? If she told me, like he was telling me what it's like to be murdered.
00:33:51 Speaker_00
No. I don't know what I'd do. No. Like I say I'm like, oh, I would do it. No, I don't know what I would do. I think I'd just start crying. Yeah. For a long time. That is such an upsetting thing to think about. Start crying and never stop. Yeah. Oh my god.
00:34:02 Speaker_00
And eventually the entity started moving from one child to another so quickly that Latoya and Rosa wouldn't have time to react before it moved from one to the other.
00:34:12 Speaker_00
Like if she was trying to get three kids in the car, she said one would run to the car and start kicking it. One would be restraining the other and the other would be thrown to the grass.
00:34:20 Speaker_00
Then one would start cussing or saying it's time to kill or doing some sort of demonic chant where one would stop and the other would pick up just where the other left off. What the fuck? Like, no.
00:34:34 Speaker_00
And she's just trying to like get them in the car to go somewhere for the day. No. No. No. No. No. You know how hard it is to get three kids in the car sans possession? Yes. Yes, I do. They essentially are possessed, no matter what.
00:34:50 Speaker_00
Then you add demonic possession. They're in a constant state of needing an exorcism trying to get them into the car. Yes. Then to add actual possession into it? No. No. No, thank you. No. Holy shit.
00:35:02 Speaker_00
Then when the entity would leave them, they would just immediately fall asleep. They were exhausted. Oh, that's so upsetting. It is sad, yeah. If you're like me, the safety of your home and loved ones isn't just a priority, it's your everything.
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00:37:32 Speaker_00
So by early April, the kids are missing school on a regular basis, and the administrators actually became concerned about their well-being.
00:37:39 Speaker_00
So out of options and with literally no help coming from the church, Latoya took the kids to their primary care physician in the hope that he might know what to do. Yeah. Which I think to me proves how desperate she is. She's going to the kid's doctor.
00:37:50 Speaker_00
Yeah, she went to the doctor. The doctor, Dr. Jeffrey Onyekwu, I believe it is, said, 20 years and I've never heard anything like that in my life. I was scared myself when I walked into the room. Wow. So like it was visible what they were going through.
00:38:05 Speaker_00
Yeah. A reporter for the Indianapolis Star was given access to the doctor's clinical notes from the visit, and he describes, quote, delusions of ghosts in the home. and quote, hallucinations among the children, and describes all of them as delusional.
00:38:20 Speaker_00
I mean, which he's looking at it from a point of view of like, I can't just sit here and be like, yeah, you have ghosts. Yeah, they're possessed. I'm sure that's what's happening. He's seeing these kids going through it. Yeah. He's thinking child abuse.
00:38:31 Speaker_00
Exactly. And that's got to be his first concern. It was. Of course. Unfortunately. Like you can understand, and I understand that this was probably fucking horrifying from both sides, you know, like. But you can understand the doctor's point of view.
00:38:43 Speaker_00
That he's looking, he's thinking of these kids and. Yeah. You know, he's not in the house. And unfortunately, Child Protective Services had, they had a history with this family. Yeah. They had been involved before.
00:38:54 Speaker_00
So the doctor's notes are clear that he believed them to be a family experiencing a mental health crisis. The statements from medical staff and the – Oh, which is really sad. So he thinks that.
00:39:04 Speaker_00
But the statements from the medical staff in the office that day actually painted a different picture. Really? According to one member of the staff who was later interviewed by a – I think they're DCS now, Department of Children's Services.
00:39:16 Speaker_00
According to one of those workers during an interview, LaToya told the intake staff many stories, quote, regarding demons and spirits, and that her home has various demons and evil spirits due to somebody dying in the home.
00:39:28 Speaker_00
But regarding the children's behavior, staff reported that during the examination, LaToya's youngest son was, quote, lifted and thrown into the wall with nobody touching him. Like medical staff saw this happen. Medical staff who worked.
00:39:42 Speaker_00
I don't know if they were all doctors or nurses, but like. The staff. The staff working at this office like literally saw this with their own eyes and wrote it down. Whoa. Yeah. And that's the thing.
00:39:53 Speaker_00
Because those are the things that make me just go, what? Because like, you know, there's some parts of this where you go like, is, is there a severe mental health crisis happening here? And like some like religious delusions and all that stuff.
00:40:04 Speaker_00
Like, is that happening?
00:40:06 Speaker_01
Yup.
00:40:06 Speaker_00
And then you see something like that and you go, what the fuck is that? Right. Cause how do you explain that? How do you explain that? Cause you, if he like stumbled into the wall, Yeah, I'd be like, OK, that's probably a mental health crisis.
00:40:17 Speaker_00
He was lifted and thrown into the wall. And there's a crazier thing that happens later that's just inexplicable. Other medical staff reported that the specific child was, quote, making growling noises and his eyes rolled into the back of his head.
00:40:33 Speaker_00
which that I feel like you could kind of do on your own. But still. The situation finally ended when Latoya wrapped her arms around him and he became limp and was placed on the bed, at which point the medical staff actually called 911.
00:40:45 Speaker_00
Yeah, because what the fuck is going on? Yeah, they requested emergency services. So several minutes later, an ambulance arrived along with seven or eight police officers, and the children were taken to the Methodist Hospital in Gary.
00:40:58 Speaker_00
According to Rosa, when the boys came to in the hospital, Nate acted rationally. But Andre screamed and thrashed, resisting the medical staff.
00:41:07 Speaker_01
This is so sad.
00:41:07 Speaker_00
It is. It's awful. At the same time, an anonymous call was placed to DCS and requested that the state open an investigation into the possible abuse of the Amon's children for possible child abuse or neglect.
00:41:21 Speaker_00
The caller indicated their belief that Latoya was suffering from symptoms of mental illness and, quote, the children were performing for her and she was encouraging their behavior. Which is awful, but you can understand why somebody might think that.
00:41:34 Speaker_00
Why somebody might have thought that. If they're not seeing everything going on in this house, like all of this is behind closed doors. Yeah. And then they're just hearing reports of this. That's the thing. I can understand that.
00:41:45 Speaker_00
Their job is to keep children safe. Yeah. That should be their job. And I can understand somebody calling worried about the kids 100%. Yeah. So DCS caseworker Valerie Washington met the family at the hospital that day.
00:41:57 Speaker_00
and opened the official case into the alleged abuse and neglect. At the same time, all the children were physically examined and found to be free of any outward signs of abuse, no bruises or anything like that.
00:42:09 Speaker_00
Meanwhile, Latoya was examined by staff at the Methodist Hospital and determined to be of sound mind. See, this is the stuff that makes me go, what the fuck is going on here?
00:42:18 Speaker_00
It was only in her interviews with the children that Valerie Washington started to think something actually strange was happening within the family, if not the house itself.
00:42:28 Speaker_00
According to interview notes from a discussion with Shante, the girl told Washington that quote, at times she has weird thoughts and unnatural events take place in the home during the evening time.
00:42:37 Speaker_00
She also reported being thrown across the room and grabbed by dark shadows a few nights ago. That's horrifying. So scary. And for a child to be saying this is so disturbing. And Shantae is older. I think I said at the top she's 12. Yeah.
00:42:50 Speaker_00
So she's not like a little, little kid just making up a story. You know what I mean? for Latoya to be, you know you're gonna be looked at as possibly abusing these children. Absolutely. Or that you're going through a mental health crisis.
00:43:07 Speaker_00
So if this is really happening, you're going out of sheer desperation because like, you know what you're gonna face. Absolutely. And she's already faced it. But she was so desperate that she went for help. Right. When she could have just
00:43:20 Speaker_00
kept it to herself if that was what was really happening, you know what I mean? Like if the abuse was happening. I completely agree.
00:43:25 Speaker_00
So it does tell you something that she was so desperate that she opened herself up to this knowing, because she had to know. Yeah. You know, this was going to be the first thing they were going to think of. She still opened up to it to be like, help.
00:43:37 Speaker_00
please, I don't know what to do." Which is so devastating. It is, absolutely. And that's what's so sad about the fact that she went to all the churches she did first.
00:43:46 Speaker_00
I think she was like, can we please find some help here so I don't have to go this other route? So I don't have to go somewhere else and get thought that I'm hurting my children. Yeah, that's awful. I can't imagine how that would feel as a mom.
00:43:56 Speaker_00
Because you hope no parent would ever do something like this to their children. No. Knowingly. Sometimes DCF does invest, or DCS, they're called a different thing a lot. I think here it's DCF. Yeah, I think so. People call in cases.
00:44:10 Speaker_00
to be assholes when like, oh yeah, abuse isn't happening. Absolutely. And people are investigating. Yeah, for sure. Like they have to. Yeah. They're mandated reporters. So it's like, she's going through it and she knew, exactly.
00:44:23 Speaker_00
So by far the most unusual event, and this is fucking crazy. By far the most unusual event that day occurred while Andre was being interviewed by Valerie Washington. He told hospital staff that quote, ghosts were attacking him and his brother.
00:44:36 Speaker_00
But before he could finish his statement, He had a, quote, weird grin and walked backwards up a wall to the ceiling. He then flipped over his grandmother, landing on his feet.
00:44:49 Speaker_00
There were multiple people in this room, including the caseworker, Valerie Washington, who saw this happen. Okay, I can't explain this. I can't explain this. According to those in the room, he never let go of his grandmother's hand.
00:45:05 Speaker_00
So he held her hand, walked up the wall backwards onto the ceiling and flipped over her body.
00:45:17 Speaker_00
And it, if this, again, if this is just the family saying that this happened and no one else was there and you're like, I would be like, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
00:45:26 Speaker_00
Like, that would be akin to the Amityville story where it's like, you know, Kathy Lutz got levitated up off the bed and then just levitated towards the closet. for no reason. Like that's silly goose.
00:45:37 Speaker_00
I'd be like no one else was there except for, you know, George Lutz. Right. Why are we saying this? And y'all are trying to make money on this. Seeing that a social worker was in that room, witnessed it, and wrote it in the report. Yes.
00:45:49 Speaker_00
Which puts their own job in danger because it makes them look a little kooky kooky. And there was medical staff in the room who were like, What the fuck?
00:45:59 Speaker_00
Yeah, no one has, and people aren't going to be putting their whole fucking careers on the line here. No. To keep up with some hoax for no reason. And even, like, police officers were involved at this point.
00:46:09 Speaker_00
Later in an interview with the police, officers asked maybe if the boy had run up the wall or performed some kind of, like, acrobatic move. Because you got it, you're like, yeah.
00:46:17 Speaker_00
but that everybody in the room insisted, no, he walked up the wall backwards and flipped over. One of the nurses at the hospital said he walked up the wall, flipped over, and stood there. There's no way he could have done that.
00:46:32 Speaker_00
And when this happened, both Valerie Washington, the caseworker, and the nurse who was attending to these children, ran out of the room in fear. Like, ran out of the fucking hospital room. Okay, something's – there's 200 demons in this house.
00:46:46 Speaker_00
Like, I'm 100 – That's the thing. There's a lot of demons. Like, it's happening. So when Washington and the nurse, they literally ran out of the room terrified and grabbed a doctor and was like, I don't know what the fuck's going on.
00:46:56 Speaker_00
This boy just walked on the ceiling. Like, let's get backwards. Let's fix this. So they reported to the attending physician what everybody had just seen. And the doctor was like, yeah, fuck off. That didn't happen. Because like, how do you reconcile?
00:47:06 Speaker_00
Which I would say the same thing. He's a man of science. Like, this man is being like, there's no fucking conceivable way. He's like, I'm going to fire both of you. Like, how could you? He's like, one of you doesn't even work here, and you're fired.
00:47:17 Speaker_00
You're fired. He told the nurse, OK, so if Andre walked up the wall backwards, then he'll do it again. But he was not only unable to repeat the move, he had no memory of what even happened the first time. He told the doctor, I didn't walk up a wall.
00:47:33 Speaker_00
I can't walk up a wall. And when he tried, he was unable to get his foot, like his footing or balance. Because like, who can walk up?
00:47:44 Speaker_00
It's one thing to like, it would even be shocking if like, he ran up the wall and onto the ceiling and down like, that's an acrobatic move of like, Someone show me how to do that. Yeah, show me to be Rachel.
00:47:56 Speaker_00
But to walk backwards slowly up the wall and onto the ceiling where gravity makes that impossible? Yup. And he's nine years old. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm pretty sure I said at the beginning he was nine years old.
00:48:07 Speaker_00
I'm trying to keep everybody's ages in check. Holy shit. But he's a bebe. He's a bebe. That would be like one of the girls just walking up the fucking wall backwards. Just walking on the ceiling. Yeah. That's just fun.
00:48:16 Speaker_00
Let me know if they do that anytime soon. It's the ceiling that gets me. The fact that he walked all the way up the wall and onto the ceiling and then flipped back down. Yeah. Gravity. Hello? My friends. Yeah.
00:48:26 Speaker_00
But despite having witnessed the wall walking and generally believing the story of demonic possession, the nurse still admitted that the children's behavior was likely due at least in part to mental illness. She was like, something's afoot here. Yeah.
00:48:39 Speaker_00
But I also think mental illness is playing into this. They might be driving them too mad. Like whatever is happening in this house might be literally making them mad. Absolutely.
00:48:48 Speaker_00
So that night, Latoya spent the night in the hospital with her youngest son while her mom returned home with the other children. The next day was Andre's birthday, and he's in the hospital, like, going through this.
00:48:59 Speaker_00
So Rosa and the children came back to the hospital to celebrate, but the celebration was short-lived. Oh, no.
00:49:05 Speaker_00
Not long after they gathered in Andre's hospital room, Latoya got a call from Valerie Washington informing her that DCS decided it was in the best interest of the children to temporarily remove them from the home
00:49:17 Speaker_00
until the situation was resolved and there was a plan for their safety moving forward. And that's on his birthday? On his fucking birthday, which I'm like, you couldn't have done it one fucking day later. That's the thing. I get it.
00:49:29 Speaker_00
I know there's a murder. I was involved in DCS as a kid. I get it, but I don't know. And you can see why they came to that conclusion? Absolutely. They might, this might not even like be against Latoya. You know what I mean?
00:49:45 Speaker_00
They're saying that home is unsafe. It's just, yeah, it's the safety of the kids. Like we watch something happen in that home that we can't explain. They need to be out of that house and you can't remove them from the house right now. So.
00:49:56 Speaker_00
It's just such a, it's such a sad situation. It is. And when the kids are like getting so sick in that house that they can't even go to school, like this is affecting every part of their lives. Yeah, like something is going down. Yeah. Right.
00:50:07 Speaker_00
But my goodness. But to be separated as a family, it's just so sad. And on your child's birthday. On your young, like your baby's birthday. And he's in the hospital.
00:50:17 Speaker_00
One has to spend his birthday in the hospital and two, he gets moved to like a foster home on his birthday. That's fucked. Oh, Latoya must have just been- Yeah. Awful.
00:50:26 Speaker_00
So Latoya later told a reporter, it was obvious we were a team and we were beating it. Whatever it was, we made it through together as a team and they separated us. Oh, that like breaks my heart. Yeah. She was like, that's a mom. That's a mom.
00:50:39 Speaker_00
That's a single momma right there being like, this family is a fucking team. Makes me want to cry. Oh, like that like breaks my heart. It really does. Anything hearing about like DCS and foster care and stuff and like families having to be separated.
00:50:52 Speaker_00
It's just like, it's such a sad. thing that has to happen. It's necessary, like some kids do need to be. In many cases, it's the best thing that can happen. But when you hear about it, it's always devastating. No matter what, it's traumatic.
00:51:07 Speaker_00
Well, that's the thing. Even if you're coming from this fucking awful environment, that's still devastating, that one you had to live that. And now you have to live in the unknown. Right. As a kid. No. Who had no fucking business having to deal with that.
00:51:21 Speaker_00
I know. I actually, like I just said, I was involved in DCF and luckily I never had to go to foster care because I had you and mom and papa. I think about fostering sometimes just to give back. That's like them Hoffers there.
00:51:35 Speaker_00
If you didn't hear in the other episode, I'm on the Hoffer train this year. I fucking love the Hoffers. They're a perfect shining example of a lovely foster family.
00:51:46 Speaker_00
And it takes, just a sidebar here, it takes such a specific human to be able to do that. Yeah, if you're a foster parent, fucking kudos. Billions and billions of kudos, because they will get a newborn in the middle of the night.
00:52:01 Speaker_00
And then you bond with that baby. And then sometimes, and you know what they're coming from. And you know that baby. And sometimes you have to give that baby back. And obviously the goal most of the time for DCF is to reunite. Oh, yeah.
00:52:15 Speaker_00
That's the main goal. Which in my opinion is not, shouldn't always be the goal. But knowing as a foster parent that like that's the goal. You may have to like, you got to be
00:52:29 Speaker_00
Like, what a selfless human being you have to be to just be like, I want to make this child's life as loving and beautiful as I can for the time I have them.
00:52:37 Speaker_01
Yeah.
00:52:38 Speaker_00
But then I'm just going to have to put my own, like, devastation aside and sever that bond to give them back to, like, continue their life. Right. Like, fuck. You have to be such a selfless person. And also- But then there's assholes who completely
00:52:54 Speaker_00
Use the foster kids. And are just in it for the money. Yeah. Like we were talking about a couple cases ago that you were foster parents and you're like, hello. You really got like the best and the worst. Yeah.
00:53:03 Speaker_00
I think I would just end up with 45 million kids because I'd just be like, I'll adopt this one too. Yeah. 18 kids. Let's go. I couldn't even, I don't even think I could foster an animal. And it's just, and it's because I just will end up with all of them.
00:53:15 Speaker_00
Like there's no way. I couldn't. No, I know. It's, it's a, it's an angel. It's a special person. Truly. It's a special kind of person if you do that. I think Sabrina. Sabrina just fostered some kittens and she's an angel. She is a fucking angel.
00:53:31 Speaker_00
Sabrina and Corinne are both angels. It's true, truly. But yeah, sometimes I think about it. I'm not at a point in my life right now where I would do it, but someday in the future I would think about it. It's beautiful. Beautiful. Weirdos, let's face it.
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00:55:30 Speaker_00
In the formal paperwork, Valerie Washington noted, the children's physical or mental condition is seriously impaired and seriously endangered as a result of Latoya's inability to supply education or supervision.
00:55:41 Speaker_01
Oof.
00:55:42 Speaker_00
which is rough. In simple terms, the amount of school that the children had missed due to everything that was going on was seen as neglect. Unfortunately, that does constitute neglect. The home environment was not one that was promoting safety.
00:55:57 Speaker_00
No, because shit's going down. According to LaToya, she could not send the children to school sometimes because the spirits would make them sick or they would be up all night with no sleep, so they couldn't go to school. That's horrifying.
00:56:07 Speaker_00
She's in between a rock and a hard place. But, like I said earlier, this was not the first time that the DCS had been involved in the family.
00:56:16 Speaker_00
In 2009, a caseworker was assigned for the same reason, but at that point there was no mention of spirits or demons or anything. It was just the kids not going to school.
00:56:23 Speaker_00
Not going to school and not having enough supervision, which also, she's a single mother, I'm sure she's working multiple jobs. it's a tough position to be in, you know?
00:56:33 Speaker_00
But anyway, about a week after the children had been removed, Valerie Washington conducted a home visit to Latoya's house, accompanied by three police officers, two of whom just joined out of, quote, professional curiosity.
00:56:45 Speaker_00
I honestly couldn't blame them on that, because you're like, what is going on here? Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is like a smaller town, you know? So people are hearing this and they're like, I want to go.
00:56:57 Speaker_00
Inside, they discovered several makeshift altars around the first floor of the house, as well as several circles of salt, which Latoya explained had been put in place to dissuade the demons. Which walking into that would be horrifying. Absolutely.
00:57:11 Speaker_00
I'm sure these officers are like, okay. Immediately, I'm sure they thought she was mentally ill, like 100%. There's some religious mania going on here. Yes. That's exactly what they thought was happening, so good call. That's what I would think.
00:57:24 Speaker_00
So the officer officially tasked with accompanying Valerie Washington on the visit was Gary Police Captain Charles Alston. He was a veteran police officer with more than 35 years experience.
00:57:35 Speaker_00
And he later told a reporter that prior to his involvement in this case, he always believed in ghosts, but he did not believe in demons. But after investigating the case, he changed his mind 100%. Wow.
00:57:49 Speaker_00
Among other things, he claimed there were unusual and unidentifiable, excuse me, silhouettes and the photos that officers took in the basement that day, which actually led them to believe Latoya's story of demonic possession.
00:58:02 Speaker_00
And like those who left the house after the family wake, Austin actually believed he was followed home by some sort of entity that day that caused tons of electrical problems in his house for several days. What the fuck?
00:58:16 Speaker_00
This is a policeman with 35 years on the force who didn't believe in anything like this. Oh my God. He was like, yeah, I think there's ghosts, but like, no, there's not demons. Yeah. And then he left and he was like, oh, there's demons.
00:58:27 Speaker_00
And one followed me. And one came to my house.
00:58:30 Speaker_00
No, not long after the children were removed from her custody, Latoya was informed that they would remain in the temporary custody of the state until she could prove that she was responsible and stable enough for them.
00:58:41 Speaker_00
So to her, that meant she would have to rid her house and herself of the demons that were plaguing the family for months. Fortunately, help was actually much easier to find this time around than it had been in previous months.
00:58:54 Speaker_00
After hearing the story of what happened at the Methodist Hospital, the hospital chaplain, David Neville, reached out to one of his colleagues, Reverend Mike Magino, the pastor at a church in nearby Merrillville.
00:59:06 Speaker_00
Unlike many of the other clergy in the area, Maginot was actually a true believer in demons and did have some knowledge of exorcism. Oh, we found one. We found one. We will always find one. Yeah, you got to find one.
00:59:18 Speaker_00
But he informed Neville that before he could do anything, he would have to speak with the family. And then if it was warranted, he would have to get permission from the bishop to perform the rite of the exorcism. That's such an interesting
00:59:32 Speaker_00
That interests me so much. Me too. Yeah, because I always thought exorcisms were one of those things where it was like a priest was like, here I come, I'm coming to do an exorcism. And it was just like, yep. The fact that there's groundwork.
00:59:42 Speaker_00
They have to go through special permissions and it's like you have to be approved to perform this rite and everything. It's very interesting. No, you have to jump through hoops. Yeah. And it's interesting that
00:59:55 Speaker_00
I feel like a lot of the cases that we cover, the priest is so insistent on getting the bishop's permission. They're like, I'm not fucking around without his permission. Exactly. And then you have Ed and Lorraine who are always calling the archdiocese.
01:00:07 Speaker_00
It's crazy. Always. And always getting permission somehow. Always getting permission, but then the archdiocese, they forget. They're like, no, no permission was made.
01:00:15 Speaker_00
They quickly get one of those men in black mind eraser things and they're like, we didn't do that. We didn't do that. And Ed and Lorraine are like, they don't care. They did it. Don't worry about it.
01:00:24 Speaker_00
So in late April, Mugino met with Latoya and Rosa at their new rental apartment in Gary, where they gave him the lowdown on everything that happened in the previous months.
01:00:33 Speaker_00
Everything they told him was compelling, but he asked for permission to review any additional material, including any law enforcement or hospital footage or documentation, and they agreed to provide it.
01:00:43 Speaker_00
But it wasn't until he accompanied LaToya and two Gary officers back into the home that his belief in LaToya's case was absolutely cemented.
01:00:53 Speaker_00
According to the Reverend, when LaToya entered the house for the first time since my interview with her, oil seemed to condense and drip onto the steps from the crosses she made above. It also appeared all over the blinds in her bedroom.
01:01:06 Speaker_00
Yet, when he reviewed the police footage from the walkthrough later that afternoon, there was no traces of oil or any other unexplained phenomena that actually occurred when he was visiting. Strange.
01:01:19 Speaker_00
Despite what he believed was compelling evidence of demonic possession, the bishop, Dale Melszczyk, I think, denied his initial request for permission to perform an exorcism. The archbishop said, nah. Denied.
01:01:31 Speaker_00
He did, however, suggest that Maginot contact other priests in the area and ask them for training in the rite of a minor exorcism. Oh, bitch. I didn't know there was different levels of exorcism. There are.
01:01:44 Speaker_00
And now I'm so interested, I think it'd be fun to kind of talk about on an episode. Yes. And like dive into the different levels. Because I didn't know all this. I didn't either.
01:01:52 Speaker_00
So you can do a minor exorcism and that does not require the church's approval. Those are the ones I'm thinking about where they just run on in and perform an exorcism. Yeah, loophole.
01:02:01 Speaker_00
In the case of a minor exorcism, a clergy member will use prayer and religious symbols and other statements to drive out any negative entities that might be, you know, in the home or space.
01:02:11 Speaker_00
So after making some phone calls, the Reverend did locate a priest who was willing to provide the information necessary, and about a week later, Maginot was back at Latoya's former house, this time to drive out whatever had been tormenting the family.
01:02:24 Speaker_00
So in addition to himself and Latoya, the exorcism was attended by Virginia Washington, the caseworker, and Officer Samantha Illick, I think it is, from the Gary Police Department, and another unnamed officer.
01:02:38 Speaker_00
Samantha had been at the previous walkthrough and was actually somewhat skeptical of Latoya's claims, but was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. She was like, I want to see this. I want to see this shit.
01:02:49 Speaker_00
And she's like, you know, my captain there has become a believer. Maybe I will. After leaving the house that afternoon, she said she was fully convinced something evil was in that house. Damn.
01:02:59 Speaker_00
She said, we felt like someone was in the room with you, like someone breathing down your neck. Oh, I hate that. Yeah.
01:03:05 Speaker_00
So as Maginot prayed throughout each room of the house, he instructed Latoya to look up the names of the demons that could possibly be inhabiting the house. But each time she tried to do so, the computer would shut down without explanation.
01:03:16 Speaker_00
That's why you need an ancient tome. Of course. No, stop using technology. No, you need ancient tomes. You need ancient, dusty ass tomes. Has anyone watched Puffy? You're flipping through. Yeah. And it makes that sound. And you find your spot.
01:03:30 Speaker_00
And you find the demon. It's true. That's what it is. But the deeper she dug for the right name, the sicker and more lightheaded she got, making the process so arduous and just completely unpleasant.
01:03:42 Speaker_00
So finally, they discovered the demons inhabiting the home were Beelzebub, the Lord of the Flies. Beelzebub? Beelzebub, thank you.
01:03:49 Speaker_00
The Lord of the Flies and, quote, other high-ranking demons, including lieutenants and sergeants, that torture and hurt kids. I didn't know those were things. I did not know there were lieutenants and sergeants.
01:04:00 Speaker_00
I also didn't know they had rankings among the daemons. It's a whole community. I had no idea. It's very militaristic. It is. I don't like that. I'm not into it. The fact that Beelzebub is there, you, damn. Don't say it too many times in my house, please.
01:04:14 Speaker_00
You got the You got the demons. Yeah, I'm quite frankly Palo Santo-ing the room after this. Yeah, as you should. Yeah, with the windows open. Palo Santo me too, please, before I leave. Oh, I will.
01:04:27 Speaker_00
Whenever we talk about demons, I think we should start Palo Santo-ing, because I do think some weird energy is building up in the pod lab, and we're in my house right now, and that shit's not well done. Yeah, it's not happening. Thank you.
01:04:37 Speaker_00
So the prayer and ritual went on for several hours, during which time LaToya was becoming more weak, more exhausting – or more exhausted, excuse me. She later said, I was hurting all over from the inside out. I'm trying to do my best and be strong.
01:04:50 Speaker_00
But eventually she fell asleep, which she said was, quote, the demon's way of lessening the ritual's effect. Like, knocked her out, essentially. Yeah. Ultimately, Maginot performed, Maginot, I keep going to say like making it fancier. I love it.
01:05:04 Speaker_00
Maginot performed three exorcisms between May and June, during which time LaToya and Rosa actually had moved to Indianapolis, but they drove back to Gary for each ritual. Oh, wow.
01:05:16 Speaker_00
I don't know if she was paying rent on this house and her next house, but she's trying to get her kids back. You can tell.
01:05:22 Speaker_00
But finally, at the last exorcism in June, Maginot changed tactics and, quote, paraded the demons in Latin rather than English, which he claimed was the key to successfully driving them out.
01:05:35 Speaker_00
And at hearing the Latin words in scripture, Latoya started to convulse and then went slack and seemed to be asleep. He said a prayer of thanks over her sleeping body.
01:05:45 Speaker_00
And when she woke up, she and Rosa went back to Indianapolis, where they claim they have not experienced any demonic activity since. So in Cabin in the Woods, when he says, do not read the Latin. He's wrong. Apparently you read the Latin.
01:06:01 Speaker_00
I think you can only read the Latin if you know the Latin and what you're saying. Yeah, you don't want to just read willy-nilly Latin. If we tell you one thing, if you take one thing away from this episode, never read Latin willy-nilly.
01:06:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, don't just willy-nilly. No, you got to know about the Latin. Yeah.
01:06:17 Speaker_00
But in November 2012, roughly one year after this whole ordeal began, Latoya did regain custody of all three children and her entire family started participating in in-home based therapy services.
01:06:29 Speaker_00
According to one report filed with DCS, they quote, have not experienced any issues with demonic presences or spirits in the home in Indianapolis and are moving on from that point in their lives. Damn.
01:06:39 Speaker_00
The report goes on to say, the family continues to attend church regularly on Sunday, but the family is no longer fixated solely on religion to explain or cope with the children's behavior issues. Whoa.
01:06:49 Speaker_00
So I think DCF definitely was like, there's too much. Yeah. Reliance on religion going on here to a point where it's dangerous. Yeah, bordering on religious mania. Yes, exactly.
01:07:01 Speaker_00
In 2014, a long-form article in the Indianapolis Star about the family's experience generated an unexpectedly large amount of national attention and thrust the family right back into the spotlight.
01:07:12 Speaker_00
Latoya said, I figured that I'd get an uproar from my hometown, but I never imagined that it would go viral. Just four days later, Zach Bagans of Ghost Adventures. Who? Zach Bagans. Oh, a man named Zach Bagans? I don't know if you've heard of him. Yeah.
01:07:27 Speaker_00
He bought the house from the owner for $35,000 and subsequently made a television documentary about the house, which I will be watching today. I will be watching that later. Yep. He referred to it as The Next Amityville. Wow. And I added, but real.
01:07:42 Speaker_00
I was just going to say, I don't know if you want to throw that one on there. Yeah, I'm like, don't do that. Because you're like, the next hoax. Exactly. That's not good. I believe in this one a lot more.
01:07:50 Speaker_00
I definitely, like, I'll be honest, I think there were probably parts of this that got dramatized. How do you say that? Dramatized? Yeah. Dramatized. I always say dramatized. Can you say both? Is that a word, too? Dramatized? Dramatized? You decide.
01:08:07 Speaker_00
I'll take both. I think there were parts of this that got both of them, that did both of those things. And I'm sure, you know, sometimes the kids were like, oh, I can't go to school. I have, you know, demons.
01:08:18 Speaker_00
But I think overall they did experience a lot of what they said. There is something very unexplained in this situation. There's something that does not…
01:08:27 Speaker_00
The fact that many people saw a kid walk backwards up a wall and onto the ceiling and then flip over his grandma while holding her hand. You're just never, you're never going to tell me that that wasn't a demon. Yeah, that's the thing.
01:08:38 Speaker_00
So it, there's other things that for sure you can question. Yes. Just at least be like, huh, okay. Well, and then this next part to me, I'm like, huh?
01:08:49 Speaker_00
Cause like we all know Zach Bagans has an entire fucking museum filled with the most haunted shit on the planet. Yeah. When this documentary was finished, he had the house demolished. Whoa. Yeah.
01:09:01 Speaker_00
Just after the release of the documentary in 2016, he told a reporter, something was inside that house that had the ability to do things that I have never seen before.
01:09:09 Speaker_00
Things that others carrying the highest forms of credibility couldn't explain either. There was something there that was very dark, yet highly intelligent and powerful. Whoa. So Zach Bagans was like, I don't want to fuck with that.
01:09:23 Speaker_00
We're demolishing that house. Holy shit. The man who will take every haunted fucking thing into his museum, to me, that's like... Was like, let's get rid of this. That's... I have chills on my legs right now.
01:09:36 Speaker_00
To not be like, we're going to save this house and continue investigating. He was like, nope. Nope. We should just get rid of it. Completely got rid of it. Wow. So interesting. And several years later, LaToya's story was adapted into The Deliverance.
01:09:50 Speaker_00
This year. Yeah, this year, isn't it? For some reason, I thought that movie had been out for way longer. You're probably thinking of Deliverance. I was. Yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking. Definitely different.
01:09:59 Speaker_00
Netflix released it, and it was directed by Lee Daniels, and it stars Andra Day and Queen Glenn Close. Oh, and Glenn. I've never actually seen the movie. I haven't seen the movie. Well, I've seen like the stills. But I've seen the clips.
01:10:13 Speaker_00
I'm not gonna say it. I've seen the clips. Of Nana. Nana Glenn there. Nana Glenn. I want to watch it. And I want to watch the documentary. I'm dying to watch the documentary. Yeah. Because nothing is more fun than watching a, uh... Zach Begans. Zach Begans.
01:10:26 Speaker_00
Zach Begans is such a character. Or a T.A.P.S. I love a ghost hunting show. Yes, yes. Ghost adventures and ghost hunters. I prefer ghost hunters, personally. Yeah, me too. But there's something to be said about all of them.
01:10:41 Speaker_00
Isn't this an interesting case, though? That was a very interesting case. I would say I 98% believe most of what happened there. It's funny because we went from a straight-up hoax. We went from Tom Flurry. Straight-up shenanigans. Nonsense.
01:10:59 Speaker_00
Then we went to the House of Flying Objects where you could be like, all right, I think there's a little bit of something happening here, but who knows what? Is it the kid going through it and there's this energy that's building? What's going on?
01:11:12 Speaker_00
You think there's a little bit of each. Then you go to this one and you go, A kid walked up a wall and onto the ceiling and flipped over his grandma in front of a whole fucking room of people. Yeah. And that's a different scenario.
01:11:23 Speaker_00
DCS, DCF caseworkers were writing things in their reports where they were like, yeah, some parts of this are inexplicable. Yeah. Nurses were like, yeah, I'm pretty sure. We didn't even mean to do that either, like put them in that order. I know.
01:11:37 Speaker_00
That they like went into like nonsense to like this might be real kind of thing. It was a nice way to top off spooky season. I don't know if this is the last spooky season episode or not. I have no idea. We have a fun guest coming up. We do.
01:11:51 Speaker_00
That's a little bit spooky. Yeah. But he's also just like a fun guest. Yeah, he's just a wonderful human being. He's lovely. Yeah, we're going to be recording that tomorrow, so it might be the next episode after this.
01:12:01 Speaker_00
Yeah, and then we have our fun Halloween episode. Oh, actually, that's the episode after this. There you go. I don't really know, to be honest. But you know what? Halloween. Oh, the episode is fun. I'm so excited.
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You're gonna, you know, you're gonna get a little nifty-gifty along with it, so look out for that. Yeah, and fun subsequent gifts to come. Yeah, because we're excited about this one thing. Not really gifts.
01:12:25 Speaker_00
Yeah, I shouldn't say gift, like you're not gonna hold a gift in your hand. No. A fun thing that we never do. Yeah, exactly. But we might do more of soon.
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