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Episode: Episode 597: The Krugersdorp Cult Murders Part IV - The Werewolf of Wall Street

Author: The Last Podcast Network
Duration: 01:33:14

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The boys reach the end of the road for Electus Per Deus and their trail of misguided murder as the cult's own members and lack of organization would lead to their arrest for both "The Satanic Murders" as well as "The Appointment Murders". Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts

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00:00:01 Speaker_05
There's no place to escape to. This is the last time. On the left.

00:00:09 Speaker_02
That's when the cannibalism started.

00:00:20 Speaker_03
Kruger's door open the house. Kruger's door.

00:00:23 Speaker_04
Let's wrap this werewolf up, baby. Dude, so much. Yeah, we're turning this werewolf into a GD mummy. Hell yeah, man.

00:00:32 Speaker_03
That's what we're doing.

00:00:33 Speaker_01
Oh my God. Can you imagine a werewolf mummy? Oh my God. How about a werewolf daddy? Actually, you son of a bitch. Welcome to the last podcast on the left.

00:00:43 Speaker_04
Guess what, ladies and gentlemen? Unfortunately, brat season is officially over.

00:00:49 Speaker_07
My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zebrowski What do you think about werewolf mummies or a mummy Dracula or a werewolf mummy Blue Lagoon monster?

00:00:58 Speaker_04
I am actually thinking about bigger more important things Marcus bigger more telling things about at the very center of our country like Who am I and where am I right now?

00:01:09 Speaker_06
Mm-hmm.

00:01:10 Speaker_04
I hate to continually call you wrong, but it's the Black Lagoon Thank you

00:01:16 Speaker_07
That's true, that's true. My mind is too addled by the Monster Mash to think correctly and I'm here with Ed Larson. I haven't gotten over the Monster Mash.

00:01:25 Speaker_04
I'm a werewolf. Well, if you are a werewolf, then you should probably go to jail for many crimes. Because werewolves intrinsically commit murder.

00:01:34 Speaker_01
It's during the day, no one knows it's me. You're just a big fat man.

00:01:39 Speaker_07
You're just a hairy fat man. So here we are, Cougar's Darp, part four, the conclusion to this series.

00:01:48 Speaker_04
Now, you're going to see why we took this long to get through this much material. Will I? No. What we're hoping is our audience does, because obviously we woke up today in a new fun world. Yeah. And we are just rolling with it because we have to.

00:02:03 Speaker_01
I'm just so upset that Quincy Jones isn't going to know the end of the Kruger's drawer drama.

00:02:07 Speaker_04
Nobody tell Jimmy Carter what happened.

00:02:13 Speaker_07
So when we last left the members of Electus Perdeus, they had just killed their fifth and sixth victims.

00:02:19 Speaker_07
But these murders had very little to do with the motivations behind their first four killings, which were committed ostensibly as a righteous act to battle the forces of Satan. Hmm.

00:02:28 Speaker_07
The murders of Joan and Peter Meyer, however, their latest victims, were simply the result of a robbery gone wrong. A robbery did wrong. Yeah, that's what I would put it that way. Did wrong and gone wrong, both. Yeah.

00:02:40 Speaker_01
Anyway, you know, also, you're robbing people of their money. Yeah. Although, these guys, those, the first ones, the Meyers, they were wealthy.

00:02:47 Speaker_07
They were wealthy, but they didn't have cash on hand. Of course not. No wealthy person has cash on hand.

00:02:52 Speaker_04
They went through the pain of an entire pitch meeting in order to get nothing.

00:02:56 Speaker_07
They listened to this man talk about a South African water park for 45 minutes.

00:03:04 Speaker_06
Again it's a zoo!

00:03:08 Speaker_04
It's all a zoo! We're gonna have a lazy river so lazy that it's a lake.

00:03:19 Speaker_03
It's more of a sitting pool of water. It's so lazy it's just sand. It's like sand and dirt.

00:03:25 Speaker_07
It's like dirt. Very hard packed dirt. Tired water. See, the leader of Electus Perdeus, Cecilia Stane, had commanded her cult to somehow find money for the fictitious American orphans that had become the focal point of the group.

00:03:39 Speaker_07
But this was only after the group had been quiet for two years.

00:03:43 Speaker_04
Maybe they were quiet. Maybe.

00:03:45 Speaker_04
Also, remember, just to set the context again, the fictitious American orphans were the orphans, the babies of witches that were supposed to use those babies in rituals where they were supposed to carve up those babies and turn them into potpourri for Satan.

00:04:02 Speaker_04
And then, but instead, these wise witches that are so indebted to the power of Satan, but they don't want to give up their child for some reason, they still then will put this child in a very special orphanage-like system that is still being attacked by the powers of Satan from outside of it because those kids were lined up to be sacrifices.

00:04:21 Speaker_04
And instead, what they did was take a bunch of Virginia hams, put bonnets on them, and put them in the grinding machine.

00:04:29 Speaker_07
Well, the reason why the cult reactivated was because their breadwinner, Zach Valentine, had quit his lucrative insurance agent job to start his own business as a stockbroker, and he had failed miserably.

00:04:42 Speaker_04
I had a listener point out something that I can't help but feel. I've been dragged into this just because of who I am. In the year, I believe this happened in the year 2012, right? This was more 15.

00:04:54 Speaker_04
Yeah, so this came out right after Wolf of Wall Street.

00:05:03 Speaker_04
And if you look at Zach Valentine, and I watched a bunch of court footage of him, you could tell he's a man that might have much, and I love being in Wolf, and I love being a part of the legacy of Wolf.

00:05:15 Speaker_07
It's a great movie.

00:05:16 Speaker_04
But it did inspire some less than fun guys to do stuff that they shouldn't have been doing. And then Zach Valentine probably saw Wolf of Wall Street, and in his mindset was like, That's amazing! You know what I mean?

00:05:32 Speaker_04
Like, that's exactly what I want to be, because you only watch the first- Did he turn it off? That's how it always is. They watch the first two hours, and they're like, that's incredible!

00:05:39 Speaker_04
And then they get bored when everything gets all the- when the repercussions show up. Yeah. Maybe it was the werewolf of Wall Street.

00:05:44 Speaker_01
You ever think about that?

00:05:47 Speaker_04
Don't you make fun of the only good thing I've ever been in besides Pretty Face.

00:05:54 Speaker_07
Because Zach had failed so miserably, they had to keep Cecilia Stain lifestyle going somehow.

00:06:00 Speaker_04
Somebody's gotta keep that, man. She ain't paying for extra large sweaters and hair gel by herself. Yeah, man. Someone's gotta pay the bill at Limelight. Oh, yeah.

00:06:09 Speaker_07
But the problem with that robbery, the one in which they killed Joan and Peter Meyer, was that the crew had come away with just a hair over $40 for the whole operation. It involved costumes, backstories, financial plans.

00:06:23 Speaker_07
After the robbery-double-murder was ultimately a net negative to the cult, they decided to enter the world of insurance fraud.

00:06:30 Speaker_04
Man, I gotta say this again, guys. Remember, insurance fraud is hard. It's so hard. It's hard to get done. Think about it. It's hard to get an insurance payout even when something real happens. Just know that.

00:06:42 Speaker_01
That's how they get ya. It's better than committing murders like sketch comedians, though.

00:06:49 Speaker_04
Absolutely. Nothing makes it more unforgivable than the fact that they brought props and costumes. I did it for so many years and I was so embarrassed each time to think that you did that to bring it to fight Satan.

00:07:02 Speaker_04
You thought that that's what you're going to need? Is props?

00:07:05 Speaker_07
Well, the thing is that they really didn't have the imagination nor the desire to plan a scheme that didn't somehow involve killing someone.

00:07:14 Speaker_07
Now, after Zach Valentine's wife Michaela was murdered by the cult after she tried to leave, Zach changed the main beneficiary on his life insurance policy to Cecilia Stain, meaning she would be the recipient of over $200,000 upon Zach's debt.

00:07:28 Speaker_04
Ooh, yeah, and she was S-ing that D, and she was scrubbing that P, and she was rubbing that B up and down his M. Was she? Yep.

00:07:36 Speaker_07
Wow. But the plan wasn't to kill Zach. Instead, Electus Perdeus were going to fake his death and use another body in his place.

00:07:47 Speaker_07
Now, for the body, Electus Perdeus chose a 41-year-old black man named Gerard Jackson, who lived at a nearby shelter with his pregnant wife.

00:07:55 Speaker_07
The cult had recently befriended him, and because of his station in life and because of his race, they figured correctly that his disappearance wouldn't be investigated.

00:08:04 Speaker_04
So it was Zach Black? Oh, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. Oh, Marcus, he was extremely tan.

00:08:10 Speaker_04
If you saw him and if you see him under the right, maybe the right light in a shadow, or if you cover him in like brown makeup, he would look so black that you'd assume They're all white, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just wanted to double check. Oh, yes.

00:08:28 Speaker_04
His name's Zach Valentine. Yeah, you're right.

00:08:34 Speaker_07
I'm sorry. And so the manipulation began in the typically Byzantine electus per deus fashion. Every plan they have is so fucking complicated.

00:08:42 Speaker_04
It's because they just do meth and sit in an apartment all day.

00:08:45 Speaker_07
Yeah. Well, in early December 2015, Cecilia Stain hired Gerard to clean a storage room in her apartment complex, then told Gerard and his wife that they could then live in that storage room rent-free. Okay.

00:08:57 Speaker_07
The only catch, besides the fact that it was just a fucking room without a bathroom or a kitchen... It's a storage unit. You keep saying storage room. It's a unit. Very different. No, it's at the apartment complex, so it is a room. But it's a unit still.

00:09:09 Speaker_07
You know what I mean? You don't have a window.

00:09:11 Speaker_04
No, or a bathroom, or a table, or... It's not a room. Yeah. Well, it's a room. It is a room. It's four walls. Yeah.

00:09:18 Speaker_07
No, a unit is a part of a larger complex.

00:09:20 Speaker_04
It was a part of a larger complex. But of other units. It has to be solely units for it to be a unit. I think that if it comes down to choosing a room or not... Rob, you lived in a studio for a while.

00:09:31 Speaker_04
You know the true difference between a unit and a room? Oh yeah. One love can live in and one can't. Yeah. You go crazy in one. Yeah, you go crazy in one.

00:09:41 Speaker_01
You know what you do? You get that fake window, you know, you just buy blinds and staple them to the wall.

00:09:45 Speaker_04
Nothing is more, nothing makes me more comforted than a plastic sheet looking like sun and trees.

00:09:52 Speaker_07
Well, the catch was that Gerard and his wife needed to be locked inside at night so the other residents of the complex wouldn't stumble upon them. Poor and desperate, Gerard and his wife agreed.

00:10:01 Speaker_07
And you'd think that this had something to do with the plan. Nope. But it had nothing to do with the plan at all. She loves improvising. Yeah.

00:10:07 Speaker_07
After four nights of sleeping in the box, Cecilia lied and told Gerard and his wife that they'd been caught and they had to leave. Wouldn't they know? There's no place for them to go. Yeah, I mean- They would know if they got caught.

00:10:18 Speaker_04
Yeah, our friend- Because the one door would open.

00:10:20 Speaker_07
Yeah, our friend Mike Lawrence definitely knew he was caught by my landlord when he was fucking sleeping in our first studio, which was also the cellar in my apartment building.

00:10:28 Speaker_07
He got caught, he knew he was caught, and he was gone while I was at the- I went to the grocery store, and he was gone when I got back.

00:10:34 Speaker_01
I can't believe that he was found in that dungeon. Like people actually went down there.

00:10:41 Speaker_04
He was the Elizabeth Fritzl of the early New York comedy scene.

00:10:45 Speaker_04
The fact that he was kept down there and it really changed the entire composure and it changed his, because I just remember him sitting in his whitey tighties playing with his action figures and then God how surprised your Hasidic landlord must have been to see that large man in there.

00:11:02 Speaker_01
Sleeping on the couch while we did round tables. Oh yeah. Dirt floor. Is it over?

00:11:09 Speaker_07
Well, what Cecilia told them was that she had found a cheap room to rent for Gerard and his wife just a block away.

00:11:16 Speaker_07
But at the same time, in preparation for the eventual murder, after which he'd have to hide, Zach paid for a week stay at the nearby Herberg Hotel under the name James Vermach.

00:11:27 Speaker_07
And this was a bit of a this is kind of arrogant because James Vermach was the guy who'd recorded confessions of the so-called satanic murders and had gone into witness protection after nothing happened.

00:11:37 Speaker_05
Why don't they just make up a name? I know!

00:11:39 Speaker_07
That's what I don't get. I think it's, well, it's with these types of people, they like to do the thing that's evil. Like, oh, how evil is it that I'm using James Vermaak's name?

00:11:48 Speaker_04
But it's funny because it's evil in the name of Christ. So it's this almost perverted sense of what a Christian's duty is supposed to be that we're still dealing with today. In many a way.

00:12:00 Speaker_04
It seems to be a microcosm of the issue that we're currently having. Christian duty. The main issue. The main issue. You know they say it was like 45% of people didn't read a book last year? I read one. Oh, I know.

00:12:17 Speaker_06
It was about the whale.

00:12:21 Speaker_07
And that's why we're the good. We're the chain. Yes, that's it. And so after Gerard's pregnant wife was presumably rehoused to the cheap room, Zach asked Gerard to go for a drive.

00:12:33 Speaker_07
Cecilia, meanwhile, had prepared three bottles of juice, two orange and one mango, but she filled the mango bottle with 20 sleeping pills. The plan was to knock out Jared, then kill him so his body could take the place of Zach's.

00:12:47 Speaker_04
But it can only work if Zach then does blackface from here then out. No. Which I do think that could have been very edgy. Could have really played to a lot of different audiences.

00:12:57 Speaker_07
Electus Probdeus very much did enjoy being edgy. Oh, they did. Yeah. Now, when it came time to take the drive, Gerard found that this had turned into a group outing.

00:13:07 Speaker_07
Zach picked LaRue for his murder buddy, and the two of them loaded up Zach's BMW with kerosene and gasoline before picking up Gerard. But there was also another car, which was driven by Mirinda Stane and the cult's newest member, John Barnard.

00:13:23 Speaker_07
They would assist once the scheme was played to its conclusion.

00:13:26 Speaker_07
And so, with everything planned out in advance, the best their idiot minds could handle, Zack and the Rue picked up Gerard and the two-car caravan headed towards a town called Petra Stane. And stain, I found out, it's a very common word.

00:13:41 Speaker_07
It's like Stein or Smith, kinda, right? Stein, yeah. It's the Afrikaans version of Stein. Now, once they were all on the road, LaRue, sitting in the back seat, handed Gerard the bottle of drugged mango juice, saving the orange for himself and Zach.

00:13:57 Speaker_07
Why is mine different? Shut up. You're gonna see.

00:14:01 Speaker_06
You're gonna see.

00:14:04 Speaker_07
Gerrard soon passed out, and once he closed his eyes, LaRue brought out a blue nylon rope and strangled Gerrard to death while Zach continued driving.

00:14:14 Speaker_07
After pulling over, Zach and LaRue were joined by Miranda and John, and the four of them put Zach's BMW into neutral and gingerly pushed it off the road with Gerrard's body still in the passenger seat.

00:14:27 Speaker_07
After dragging the body over to the driver's side, they slipped Zach's silver Adidas ring on Gerard's finger to help identify the body as Zach. He's a black man.

00:14:36 Speaker_04
I don't... I'll never understand. Adidas make rings? Yeah, it's a whole... That's what I thought too! It's weird. In Europe, things get weird with the sports brands.

00:14:45 Speaker_07
Then, to make sure the Benz was correctly identified, they removed the license plate and tossed it away from the car, thinking that no one would find it odd that the license plate had unscrewed itself and wandered a few yards away all on its own.

00:14:59 Speaker_04
It was the power of Christ. He's trying to make it so we can know, did he? Because that's a cross, that's a cross. He tells people what to do.

00:15:05 Speaker_01
You should have signed the back of it.

00:15:12 Speaker_07
But now we get to the part where we see why it didn't matter if Gerard was black or not. The cult doused the car in kerosene and gasoline and lit it aflame.

00:15:24 Speaker_07
Desperately hoping that whoever found the car would just assume that the body behind the wheel was Zach Valentine's and wouldn't ask questions about a car that had seemingly pulled off the road and spontaneously combusted.

00:15:36 Speaker_04
They must have done a quality amount of sins there because if they hadn't even gone wouldn't have chosen a car to blow up. It just happens randomly all the time. I mean one time I was thinking about cheating on my wife and my cigarettes all melt.

00:15:48 Speaker_04
I remember that and I was just like oh he's got something to do with Christ I bet. I can't do that Christ watching.

00:15:56 Speaker_01
You finally get the accent down and it's the last episode. That's what it's all about.

00:16:01 Speaker_04
It's all about, hey, I just want our country to get used to it. I get good at it when it's too late.

00:16:08 Speaker_07
But that was their plan, is that the body would be so charred and unidentifiable that they wouldn't say, like, oh, this is a black guy. It would just be a crispy corpse. It just doesn't really work out like that.

00:16:19 Speaker_01
And they wouldn't be able to tell that he was strangled? No, they would tell everything.

00:16:23 Speaker_07
No, they wouldn't be able to tell. Well, unless he broke the hyoid bone. But that's also assuming that they looked for such a thing. Yeah. And so Zach was driven back to the Harburg Hotel with the plan to hide out until the life insurance policy paid.

00:16:37 Speaker_07
I am, however, a little fuzzy on the details as to what Zach was supposed to do after that.

00:16:43 Speaker_04
They thought that he would just come back to the house and no one would know the wiser.

00:16:46 Speaker_07
Yeah. I mean, Kruger's door is a relatively small city. It's roughly the population of New Orleans.

00:16:51 Speaker_04
But from what I know in New Orleans, everybody's fucked everybody and everybody knows everybody. Exactly.

00:16:55 Speaker_07
Now, before the car even burned out, police had arrived on the scene. And because the license plate was thrown from the blaze, the car was immediately identified as belonging to Zach Valentine.

00:17:06 Speaker_07
But what police also immediately noticed was that the car was not on fire as a result of an accident, but had rather been cautiously pushed off the road because there were no indications of a crash, like skid marks or broken glass.

00:17:18 Speaker_07
And cars usually catch on fire because they flipped over

00:17:21 Speaker_04
Yeah, some like, catastrophic thing that would happen to the fuel line that would then go into fire next to the fuel line. You push it off a cliff or something!

00:17:28 Speaker_07
Do anything! Yeah, it's like that scene in The Simpsons where Hans Moleman's car goes off the road and it taps a tree and then blows up.

00:17:36 Speaker_04
I will say, they have a pretty good, strong record of understanding that the South African police don't really do a heck of a lot.

00:17:43 Speaker_04
So I think that they pushed it off pretty lazily and didn't even think about it because, you know, I guess the police just show up and say like, well, priests do stuff like this all the time.

00:17:53 Speaker_04
Could have found out whether the man had some form of like wearing mixed linens or something. Or maybe when he drank the wrong kind of wine or something. So they carefully pushed it off. You know how priests skate?

00:18:02 Speaker_04
They push the car off a little bit onto the soft shoulder and they sit it on fire. They just sent him right to hell, right on earth. Should have just blown up the gas tank. No.

00:18:10 Speaker_05
Why do you need kerosene if you got gasoline?

00:18:13 Speaker_04
Because you got the kerosene there, what it does is then you can directly affect the sinner, right? It goes right on the sinner and you can't go, because you know who didn't do nothing? Leather exterior. Cows are innocent. He's a sinner.

00:18:24 Speaker_04
Sinner got burned. You go there, you gotta go, take a big bitty, do the top, flammable chemicals, put it right on there. Thank you, Jesus.

00:18:30 Speaker_07
Thank you, Grace. Well, regardless of all the obvious signs of criminal wrongdoing, the South African police once again gave the situation an old-fashioned, what are you gonna do?

00:18:39 Speaker_04
Hey, it's hot out.

00:18:40 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:18:40 Speaker_04
It's hot out. Things set to fire. It's dry.

00:18:43 Speaker_07
And they just moved on with their day. As far as Gerard's wife went, Cecilia told her that before Gerard even got in the car with Zach that day, he'd crossed the road to where two Nigerians were sitting in a white car.

00:18:56 Speaker_04
Oh God, not in Africa!

00:18:59 Speaker_07
She was told that after a brief conversation, her husband got in with the Nigerians and drove off. But when Gerard's wife called his mother with this news, Gerard's mother pretty much said, oh yeah, totally sounds like something Gerard would do.

00:19:13 Speaker_07
I wouldn't worry about it.

00:19:13 Speaker_04
Man, nobody's got any faith in anybody in Kruger's dark.

00:19:17 Speaker_07
Everyone's been like, yeah, that's to be expected. So Gerard's wife, completely powerless, just had to accept the story for at least the time being, although she had strong suspicions that something terrible had happened to her husband.

00:19:31 Speaker_04
She was living in a storage unit. Yeah. Things were going poorly.

00:19:34 Speaker_07
And I think that this just adds to the pile. Yeah.

00:19:37 Speaker_07
Meanwhile, a medical examiner had looked over Gerard Jackson's charred corpse and immediately decided that there was no foul play involved, solely because there weren't any bullet wounds or obvious injuries. But!

00:19:49 Speaker_07
One thing that the doctor was interested in was determining the race of the body. Because even though it was charred, it still looked a lot like it belonged to a black guy. And Zach Valentine was lily white. Let's check its butt.

00:20:04 Speaker_03
Let's see if it got to the other, to the cool side.

00:20:10 Speaker_07
To head off this discovery, Mirinda claimed that Zack was her brother and demanded that the body be immediately released to her care so she could cremate it as soon as possible.

00:20:20 Speaker_07
So by either being a huge pain in the ass or most likely by making a couple of well-placed bribes, Mirinda was able to get the body released and transferred to a funeral home with the oddly informal name of Martin's Funerals.

00:20:35 Speaker_04
Hey, I'm gonna get my mom and dad wrapped up at Sal's fast time funerals, and I don't want to hear any problems with discount funerals. It's a lot of fun. It's just a slide into a pit of lie. I would take my body to Martin's because he's so crazy.

00:20:57 Speaker_07
It would be a lot better if it was crazy Are you looking for a discount come on down to crazy Marty's funerals

00:21:15 Speaker_07
Well, once the body was there, Marinda brazenly demanded that the cremation be done as soon as possible so she could finalize paperwork on an insurance claim. She told him straight up, this is what I'm trying to do.

00:21:27 Speaker_07
The funeral director, however, was a man of protocol and soon saw through Cecilia's lie about being Zach's brother.

00:21:33 Speaker_04
Think about this. The only person that pumped any sort of break was the funeral home. You know, that's hilarious.

00:21:40 Speaker_04
Like the whole police, everybody's looking over their fellow neighbors, the family members of the victims are all like, what are you going to do?

00:21:47 Speaker_04
Meanwhile, like finally the land of the dead, the most morbid person in town is like, I think that there's something fishy with this corpse. I can't just bun it. Much to my displeasure.

00:21:59 Speaker_04
Well, that's also the life insurance is usually how funeral homes get paid. Of course. And that's how and that's always where as soon as the money's involved, that's where they really give a shit.

00:22:08 Speaker_07
Well, even if he wasn't a man of principle, I'd imagine that the cult spent all their bribe money on the medical examiner. So Cecilia called Zach's parents and told them that their son was dead and she needed them to approve the cremation.

00:22:21 Speaker_07
All in one conversation.

00:22:22 Speaker_04
Hey, you know, hey, how you doing? Big ups with the sucker match. Zach said, uh, we want to turn them into a powder. Can we do it now? Can I do it today?

00:22:33 Speaker_07
Amazingly, they agreed.

00:22:34 Speaker_04
Just more, just be like, yep. Oh yeah, I expected to get this call. Yeah, absolutely. Can we be there? I'm going to bring some pills.

00:22:42 Speaker_07
And they said they'd come to Martin's funerals the next day to pay for the cremation themselves.

00:22:47 Speaker_04
Thank God, because we don't take cash.

00:22:49 Speaker_04
come on down to marty's funerals because we take cash and i take blowjobs i'm just advertising at this point i'm just advertising tell me to come down there have sex with old marty and you get yourself a free casket for your beloved mother well as far as everyone else in zach's life went electus perdeus quickly spread the word that zach had died in a horrible fiery car accident

00:23:10 Speaker_07
In reality, though, Zach was hiding out at the Herberg Hotel, where the cult brought him insulin, food, and smokes. Yum. At night, however, he would sneak out to Cecilia's apartment, albeit heavily disguised. My true form.

00:23:27 Speaker_07
Later, during the trial for Gerard Jackson's murder, Zack would try to flip the whole thing back to Cecilia, saying that he only went along with the life insurance scheme because he was still too distraught over Michaela's death.

00:23:39 Speaker_07
And he believed that he was doing what he needed to do to protect the rest of his family.

00:23:42 Speaker_04
Zack can go fuck himself. During the whole court case, he completely denied everything. He didn't flip at all. He's a fucking piece of shit.

00:23:49 Speaker_07
Yep. The police, however, were finally doing something, although they were doing it slowly. And when I mean slowly, I mean very, very slowly.

00:24:01 Speaker_07
See, before Gerard's body could be cremated, an investigator managed to halt the process so they could take a DNA sample.

00:24:09 Speaker_07
The body was transferred back to police custody where a sample was taken, and by June of 2016, they said, they could properly identify the corpse. The problem was, June was six months away. Jesus Christ.

00:24:22 Speaker_07
And Electus Prudeus would murder three more people in quick succession before those results came back. Now as far as the insurance claim went, that was hitting roadblocks as well.

00:24:32 Speaker_07
Because while Electus Prudeus had proved themselves to be effective killers, they were terrible criminals.

00:24:38 Speaker_04
As most killers are. killers on the whole are extremely bad at it.

00:24:42 Speaker_07
At crime.

00:24:42 Speaker_04
At crime.

00:24:43 Speaker_04
And there's, cause I do believe that now I'm starting to kind of see that the same gap in understanding that allows you to do these types of impulsive crimes also keep, it obviously is the same thing as problem solving or like there's something in there that the lack of impulse control keeps them from also being good at it.

00:25:04 Speaker_04
I think that's why they call it organized crime. I just realized.

00:25:08 Speaker_07
That's exactly why they call it organized crime.

00:25:11 Speaker_04
Because they need a hierarchy in order to work.

00:25:16 Speaker_07
Well, a competent insurance adjuster noticed a lot of red flags surrounding Cecilia's claim. They noted that Zach's policy had been taken out pretty soon before Zach had died, which is, you know, pretty strange for a young guy like Zach Valentine.

00:25:29 Speaker_07
And the person who was so anxious to get the payout was quite close to the person who was so anxious to cremate the body. And that same person had lied about being Zach's relative.

00:25:39 Speaker_07
Additionally, Cecilia had made a payment on the policy two days before Zach's supposed death, because the policy was already passed

00:25:47 Speaker_04
I mean, it was extremely suspicious. The whole thing, the account had went completely fallow. I think it was like no payments for two years. And then one day she paid a payment of like $12,000 to get it all back up to date.

00:25:58 Speaker_04
And then he died two days later, like a fucking moron.

00:26:01 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:26:01 Speaker_07
And so since the payout was held up and since Zach was now actively costing the cult money, because he can't work if he's in a hotel, they're fucking, they're paying for the hotel, they're paying for smokes, paying for food, they're paying for insulin.

00:26:13 Speaker_04
He's just hanging, he's having the best week of his life being dead. hanging out while listening to reggae, fucking eating his insulin, smoking his food, having so much fun.

00:26:24 Speaker_07
Because of all this, Cecilia once again got nervous. And when Cecilia got nervous, people usually died.

00:26:31 Speaker_07
Now once the cash reserves ran low, Cecilia returned to her old tricks by once again making herself the focal point of the cult's mission, forgetting about the orphans completely. Oh yeah, the orphans are gone. Yeah.

00:26:43 Speaker_07
Cecilia created a satanic witch named Jane who was in mortal danger because she had stolen money from the satanic church to give to Cecilia.

00:26:52 Speaker_04
My most toxic trait as a witch is that my boobies are always wet. I'm a big, mean, satanic witch, but I don't want to be anymore. I want to be in love with Jesus Christ. I just hope Jesus will take my lithe, satanic body and my wide, wet pussy.

00:27:16 Speaker_04
Ready for his fillings. This is why we need an HR department. Very uncomfortable.

00:27:23 Speaker_05
Fill me.

00:27:26 Speaker_07
Well, if that money that Jane took and gave to Cecilia, if that wasn't returned, I suppose before the church's satanic accountant noticed it was missing.

00:27:35 Speaker_04
You have no idea what Satan's comptroller is like. And what he does when you're overdue, he might take it out on my behind.

00:27:43 Speaker_01
I do math for Lucifer. Yeah, he does.

00:27:47 Speaker_04
Wait a second. What if I just fucking press my top balls into your bottom balls? Will that give us a little leniency, Mr. Satan's accountant?

00:27:58 Speaker_01
Well, I would say if as long as I put a period here and I carry the cock. What's interesting is that Satan's accountant is Protestant.

00:28:11 Speaker_04
Presbyterian. Presbyterian.

00:28:16 Speaker_07
Well, if that money wasn't returned, Cecilia said that both she and Jane would be hunted down and killed by Asians of the Devil. Asians of the Devil are some of the most sneaky versions of it.

00:28:29 Speaker_01
Oh, agents.

00:28:31 Speaker_04
Agents of the Devil, yes.

00:28:32 Speaker_01
Asians of the Devil would be a great Japanese metal band.

00:28:38 Speaker_07
So the only way to keep Cecilia safe was to commit more robbery and murder.

00:28:43 Speaker_07
Now, it had never been the plan to kill Joan and Peter Meyer, but Cecilia convinced the cult that it was actually safer to murder the people they robbed, because then you got no witnesses.

00:28:54 Speaker_07
And since this was all supposedly for the greater good, greater good being save Cecilia, then there was really no crime here in the first place.

00:29:00 Speaker_02
Yeah, we're saving Cecilia. Cecilia's got to be saved. Look at her.

00:29:05 Speaker_04
but Africa's never gonna get their water park. No, no, this was really the nail in the coffin. Actually, I did get mail that there are water parks in Africa. Are there? But in South Africa? Yeah, but it's mostly you go and you get it to drink it.

00:29:18 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:19 Speaker_01
It's not like the slides don't have water as much as it's just covered in WD-40.

00:29:24 Speaker_07
And so the cult went back to their newest member, John Barnard, the only real criminal amongst them, so he could choose the next victim.

00:29:31 Speaker_07
He settled on a tax consultant named Glenn McGregor because Barnard had heard that Glenn was the type of guy who kept all his money in his house because he didn't trust banks.

00:29:40 Speaker_04
How is he a tax consultant if he doesn't trust the banks? This is another problem. If he doesn't trust the banks, how is he the guy consulting about with who? Who is he talking to?

00:29:53 Speaker_01
The first thing you want to do is take all your money, change it into silver and put it under your mattress.

00:29:57 Speaker_04
That's number one. Number two, give me that silver and the mattress. Number three, I'm going to fucking punch you in the face because you're a moron.

00:30:06 Speaker_07
And so, Cecilia told Miranda to make an appointment with Glenn McGregor under the veil of solving Miranda's tax problems. And I'm just now fucking realizing how stupid it is that the tax guy keeps all of his money at home. How does he pay his taxes?

00:30:21 Speaker_07
Did he send them a big fucking package of cash?

00:30:23 Speaker_04
What does he do? Here's an I.R.U. You're going to want to keep that one.

00:30:29 Speaker_07
Well, advantageously for the cult, McGregor just happened to live on a small, isolated farm outside of town. And so, on January 27th, 2016, the cult sent out a larger crew than normal, which included John Barnard, Mirinda, Marcel, and LaRue.

00:30:44 Speaker_07
Their X-Force. Yes. Well, armed with a .22 revolver, tape, rope, and rubber gloves, Electus Perdeus headed out to Glenn McGregor's farm with the explicit purpose of committing their eighth murder. We're going out to murder.

00:31:00 Speaker_04
We're going out to murder. We're going out to murder tonight.

00:31:07 Speaker_07
Now after they arrived and chatted with Glenn for about 10 minutes to put him at ease, Marinda pulled out her revolver.

00:31:12 Speaker_05
Why did they put him at ease? What did he do?

00:31:15 Speaker_04
I guess he must be suspicious. He's a tax consulter who doesn't do his job, so he must be actually quite paranoid. So now that you're calm...

00:31:26 Speaker_07
Well, perhaps not knowing what else to do, because I guess they did put him in ease. Glenn started laughing.

00:31:32 Speaker_05
You crazy people.

00:31:32 Speaker_04
Because a bunch of children. Yeah. Because you have LaRue who is super young, Marcel's super young, you've got John Barnard who just arrived here. I mean, he's an older man. He is.

00:31:41 Speaker_04
But then Miranda, I actually now even watching a lot of the court footage of Miranda, you can kind of, like, she had an interesting presence. She definitely was an English teacher all the way through. Yeah. She was teaching English this whole time?

00:31:55 Speaker_05
Killing people on meth?

00:31:56 Speaker_07
All this shit. Whole time.

00:31:58 Speaker_05
Wild.

00:31:58 Speaker_07
Yeah, there's no school teachers on meth out there.

00:32:01 Speaker_04
No, I've never met one.

00:32:03 Speaker_07
I've never done drugs with teachers before. Well, once Glenn realized that this was serious, he tried lunging for LaRue, but as soon as Glenn moved, Mirinda shot him three times. Damn! Twice in the stomach and once in the side.

00:32:18 Speaker_07
Glenn then fell to the ground where he was tied up by Marcel.

00:32:22 Speaker_03
Mirinda doesn't give a fuck.

00:32:24 Speaker_04
She is just a fucking cold-hearted, low-running fucking doldger, dude. That's what grading papers does to you. It just makes you so crazy. She's been like, I'm sick of syntax! I want to see blood! Oh, I hate adverbs!

00:32:41 Speaker_05
I want intestines!

00:32:43 Speaker_07
Did y'all watch The Last of Us TV show?

00:32:45 Speaker_05
Yeah.

00:32:46 Speaker_07
Yeah, you remember that one? I remember the gays kissing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was beautiful.

00:32:50 Speaker_07
But remember the episode where they're, like, they get to this town and the woman, like, the woman in charge of everything is a fucking demon and then you find out that before all this she was just a regular fucking person? Yeah. That's who Miranda is.

00:33:01 Speaker_07
Yes. Yes.

00:33:03 Speaker_07
But and really that does make sense because Cecilia has created an environment in which Marinda does believe that every Everyone's trying to kill her everything is dangerous every there's Satanists everywhere I also she creates these conditions for people to turn and I felt bad for her Maybe for a little bit for a while in terms of being brainwashed until I watched the court footage Yeah, and then what they did we'll talk a little bit more

00:33:24 Speaker_07
I don't feel sorry for her in any way whatsoever for being brainwashed because it means she's a fucking moron.

00:33:28 Speaker_04
No, well, Marinda is literally the exact person we're currently dealing with. You know what I mean? That is the exact person that we are dealing with in America currently is this style of person who's just looking for permission to be an animal.

00:33:43 Speaker_07
Well immediately the crew ransacked the house looking for money and valuables but again found nothing. Turns out he was a tax consultant and he did actually keep his money in a bank.

00:33:59 Speaker_04
I thought he was bad at it.

00:34:01 Speaker_07
Eventually, they did find- Yeah, imagine him being like, where's the money?

00:34:04 Speaker_04
He's like, invest it! It's earmarks for taxes!

00:34:08 Speaker_05
That's what I'm trying to tell you! That's all I wanted to tell you guys!

00:34:12 Speaker_07
You came to me for advice! Eventually, they did find a locked cabinet. Paid dirt at last! But were disappointed to find- Oh, it's just child pornography! Well, it wasn't child pornography, it was just pornography. It was Glenn's pornography collection.

00:34:29 Speaker_04
And it's all just tax porn.

00:34:32 Speaker_04
Accountants lay it right and like oh someone's it's time to peg the IRS sex by numbers It's the most boring board It's all just like itemized lists that she like equal out and he's just jerking off like a 69 times 69 nice come Fuck yeah, no tits only papers

00:34:58 Speaker_07
Well, after that, Miranda asked Glenn again where his money was. But after being told, ain't no money in the house, Miranda told Glenn that she'd call someone to help with his wounds if he gave her his PIN number.

00:35:11 Speaker_07
He complied, and Miranda, through a banking app, transferred $345 to her personal account, writing the phrase, excellent fuck, in the transaction comment to make it look like he'd paid her for an excellent fuck.

00:35:25 Speaker_07
That's all the porno that got her excited.

00:35:29 Speaker_04
Now I see what you like, and I'll have you know, you'll never see my bebeers. And I know you want to, and that's why I flagrantly will steal almost $350 from you.

00:35:41 Speaker_05
And your timely corpse will have to see my bushels.

00:35:47 Speaker_07
But as soon as that was done, Miranda gave a signal to LaRue. It was this one. Yeah. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. And LaRue had apparently inherited a taste for murder from his mother.

00:35:57 Speaker_07
What gives me this feeling is that after the murder of Gerard Jackson, remember he strangled him from the backseat of the car, LaRue actually gave a name to his strangling rope. He called it his Chokey Chokey. He used the same rope? Every time. Yeah.

00:36:12 Speaker_07
Get a new rope! It's evident!

00:36:14 Speaker_05
It's his rope! It's his chokey-chokey!

00:36:15 Speaker_07
And it's everywhere! It's his chokey-chokey! It's his chokey-chokey. Yeah, I mean, that's what he did, like, that's the thing. He gained, like, a sort of attachment to his murder weapon.

00:36:24 Speaker_04
You don't have like a thing right in your home, like we have like a shit stick. Yeah. That we use to get like, so sometimes when the dogs go on the AstroTurf.

00:36:33 Speaker_01
I got a shit knife. Yeah. Right.

00:36:35 Speaker_04
I got a specific tool that I use each time. There's no reason for it. It's an old scraper and I use it to get old, dried, wet shit out of the AstroTurf plates. Right. I have to go and I got to scrape it out.

00:36:47 Speaker_04
And it's not like I get some new stick each time. It's my stick. It's my shit pokey stick. And everybody's got something like that. I've been using my shit knife for years now. But it just becomes a default thing that you're just using from then on out.

00:36:57 Speaker_07
Yeah. Well, using the Chokey Chokey, LaRue strangled Glenn to death. The only thing I have like that is my, I have one can opener or one bottle opener, my Pope-iner. It's a Pope, John Paul II. I got it from my friend, Joe Garden, our friend, Joe Garden.

00:37:10 Speaker_02
Love Joe Garden.

00:37:12 Speaker_07
That's the Popener. I still have it to this day, and I refuse to use anything else to open a bottle in my home. Why would you? Because that's it, and it does its function.

00:37:18 Speaker_04
Yeah. All right. The key though is that the thing does its function, but almost poorly, but you continue to use it.

00:37:23 Speaker_07
That's the key for it to be one of those objects. But that's the thing is that the Chokey Chokey actually did a very good job because it never failed to Chokey Chokey someone to death.

00:37:31 Speaker_04
It seems that a Chokey Chokey is one of the most reliable things that anybody can have in their home.

00:37:35 Speaker_01
It's just like, why is the cute name?

00:37:38 Speaker_04
I guess they use cute names for everything out there. Oh yeah, have you ever, when you went to Auschwitz, don't they call it like, oh, the smelly house? Didn't they call it something like that? Go take a smell.

00:37:49 Speaker_01
Oh yeah, yeah, the Bernie Bernie.

00:37:50 Speaker_07
Yeah. We're using the Chokey Chokey, LaRue's strangled gla... I'm sorry, I just couldn't think of anything. No, no, it's Chokey Chokey.

00:37:58 Speaker_07
Well, using the Chokey Chokey, LaRue strangled Glenn to death, then helped his sister drag Glenn's body to the bathtub.

00:38:05 Speaker_07
Again, they believe that by putting the body in water, it would make the time of death harder to pinpoint, while also washing away their fingerprints. Wrong! The cult then left Glenn's body to be found the next day.

00:38:16 Speaker_04
Freeze! The key is to freeze! That is how you figure out whether or not, that's how you muddy up when the actual day is. Oh, really? Yes, freeze the body.

00:38:26 Speaker_07
I didn't know that. Yeah.

00:38:27 Speaker_07
Well, a lot of times the way that they tell the time of death is by looking at the insect eggs that are laid within the body after the body expires, because you can tell by the life cycle of a larva how long the body's been dead.

00:38:44 Speaker_07
Well, that's one of many ways to check someone's, you know, to check time of death. You just lick it.

00:38:49 Speaker_04
Or sometimes you do the thing too, you know how you do it with medium rare meat when you do it with your faux meat?

00:38:53 Speaker_01
It's the same. Yeah. Someone get me an entomologist. We need to find out when this lady died.

00:39:00 Speaker_07
Don't worry, the medical examiners know all. Since the take was again quite small, Zach, the cult's new financial burden, was moved to a small farm that cost much less than the hotel. This guy's living the dream.

00:39:11 Speaker_07
Though there, he again used the name James Vermock to take another run at the stock market. Again, he failed. He's very bad at it. You gotta read the trades. You know what I mean?

00:39:21 Speaker_04
You gotta look at the cycles. It's very difficult.

00:39:24 Speaker_07
Yep. Yeah. And the thing is, I don't think Zach's living the life because all he's eating is instant ramen because that's the most the cult could afford because they still had to satisfy Cecilia's every financial demand.

00:39:36 Speaker_04
Which is a term of not doing anything all day. Yeah. And just hanging out. He was more living life in the apartment, in the hotel, where he was getting all the insulin.

00:39:42 Speaker_04
But now I feel like, yeah, this might now, he'd be like, well, I kind of want to be murdering again.

00:39:46 Speaker_07
Yeah. I mean, after a while, the farm got to be too lonely. So Zach returned to the Herbert Hotel in Kruger's Dorp.

00:39:53 Speaker_07
Now, as it turned out, Zach's sacrifice had been all for naught, because on February 9th, 2016, the suspicious claims adjuster not only denied the payout, but also opened an investigation.

00:40:05 Speaker_07
The adjuster, however, a bulldog named Shane Chatzkelowitz, did not call the police and instead took on the burden of investigation himself. The true knights of justice. The insurance adjusters. It's true.

00:40:19 Speaker_07
During an interview at Cecilia's apartment in which he grilled both Cecilia and LaRue, Shane noticed that Cecilia, dressed in an oversized tracksuit and a hat pulled low over her eyes, he noticed that she giggled and cracked jokes with whoever happened to be in the room.

00:40:34 Speaker_04
Have you seen the footage?

00:40:36 Speaker_04
So the guy wore cam they videotaped this whole insurance like investigation when they went in to go talk to her and she dresses like Gypsy Rose like because at the time what she's doing is we forget one of the games she's playing so we have she's doing so many different games to other people I think we also have to remember so she's doing the

00:40:55 Speaker_04
I am a former satanist that is beleaguered, right? And there are people coming to kill me. She is doing the- I'm a werewolf. I'm a werewolf. She's doing that.

00:41:04 Speaker_07
Which ties into the satanist thing.

00:41:05 Speaker_04
She's also doing the I have multiple personality disorder or DID, which is also a part of it. But the other thing too is the portraying she has cancer.

00:41:13 Speaker_04
That is another thing that she was a line of thought during this time period that she's also telling people that she has terminal cancer and she only has a period of time. So what she's also doing is Shaving her head and losing weight purposefully.

00:41:28 Speaker_04
And she's wearing oversized clothes. Like if you see the scene, she's like, I just don't know what happened. I don't know. Like she does the whole Gypsy Rose, I'm dying voice thing. And then what the, but then you have like the shady ass motherfucker.

00:41:41 Speaker_04
Like they're all like squirreling around like a bunch of meth head spiders behind her. And it's just like, you wonder why the insurance broker meeting didn't go well.

00:41:51 Speaker_07
Well, Shane, of course, came to the immediate conclusion that anything that came out of Cecilia's mouth was a lie.

00:41:56 Speaker_07
To test this, Shane asked Cecilia questions that he already knew the answers to, just to see what sort of bizarre story Cecilia would tell. When asked about Michaela Valentine's death, Cecilia said that it was two Zimbabweans.

00:42:10 Speaker_04
Some kind of Sibob Wayans that did it. Some kind of Sibob Wayans.

00:42:15 Speaker_01
They literally point at every other country, like the Nigerians. Anybody else. Yeah.

00:42:21 Speaker_07
Anybody. But she said that they'd been deported instead of being charged with murder. Everyone knew that. Yeah.

00:42:27 Speaker_06
Yeah.

00:42:27 Speaker_07
Not true. But when asked about the supposed death of Zach Valentine, Cecilia said that his wedding ring and medical paperwork had been in the car with him, which they weren't.

00:42:36 Speaker_07
And she'd claimed that the car had flipped during the accident, which is why it had caught on fire, which it hadn't.

00:42:41 Speaker_01
I thought the ring was in there.

00:42:43 Speaker_07
Adidas ring, not wedding ring.

00:42:45 Speaker_01
Oh my God.

00:42:46 Speaker_07
Yeah. Well, I think that Cecilia was so used to having her lies immediately accepted by the members of her cult that she thought that she could say anything to anyone and they would believe her because she was just that good.

00:42:58 Speaker_07
Or she may have also completely lost her grip on reality.

00:43:02 Speaker_04
I think that that's a, I think that it's two. I think that it's a two folded thing. Because for a while she really did have a foot outside. Like we talk about this a lot with cults, which is how long does the leader have a foot

00:43:17 Speaker_04
outside of the cult so they can understand that what they're doing is a scam and that they don't necessarily start getting high on their own supply. Because that's what normally like they have to do in order to stay in control.

00:43:29 Speaker_04
They have to also have a bird's eye view of the situation so they know how to make moves. If they are too lost in the sauce, they can't make the big like timeline moves to hold the cult together. So now I think that she has she's way overconfident.

00:43:47 Speaker_04
to a manic mental health version of Overcoff.

00:43:51 Speaker_01
She's gotten away with nine murders by this point?

00:43:54 Speaker_04
Delusions of grandeur that yes, she can do, but it's only just because she's operating in a very, she's operating in the perfect environment for her.

00:44:01 Speaker_07
Yeah. And I think Cecilia, like one of the things I realized over the last couple of days thinking about this is that Cecilia's cycle at this point in time is that it kind of mirrors what you see with serial killers.

00:44:12 Speaker_07
Is that she is, even though she is not committing any murders herself, she's still getting a charge every time someone is killed. Every time she convinces these people to go kill someone for her.

00:44:23 Speaker_07
And what we see with serial killers again and again is that the less that charge gives them, the more they want to kill.

00:44:29 Speaker_04
And the more often they kill, the higher the stakes they make for themselves.

00:44:33 Speaker_07
And the sloppier they get. Yes, they do have to make the stakes very high.

00:44:36 Speaker_01
That's how it is with me and marijuana. I don't get high like I used to, but so I smoked way more and then, you know, I go to sleep and there's another day.

00:44:43 Speaker_04
But the difference between us, truly, the difference between us and people who do sexually motivated crimes, Eddie, is the fact that I could just stop, smoke a weed for three days and it just goes back. Yeah.

00:44:54 Speaker_04
I mean, these guys, they stopped killing, they stopped raping for like six months and they feel it just as bad as before. It's like with, it's honestly closer to nicotine, it's closer to what Marcus is dealing with still being on the patch.

00:45:04 Speaker_07
Yeah, 10 years on. I quit smoking over 10 years ago now. Step one of the patch, still right here on the left arm.

00:45:10 Speaker_00
He's eating them, my boy Patches.

00:45:18 Speaker_07
I'm forced to say... Patches?

00:45:21 Speaker_04
Patches, I'm depending on you, son, to pull the family through. I don't know this one either.

00:45:28 Speaker_07
Is that the sequel to Christmas Shoes? Nope. It sounds exactly like Christmas Shoes.

00:45:32 Speaker_04
Patches are part of an extensive list of story-based songs that have been in throughout of all the 1970s, much like the night Chicago died. Chevy van. Yes, those types of songs.

00:45:42 Speaker_04
Patches is the song about a boy that's left behind to run the farm after his diddy dies. Gordon Lightfoot? PATCHES! Actually, I don't remember who sang Patches. Clarence Carter.

00:45:53 Speaker_07
Clarence Carter, the same guy who did Strokin'?

00:45:56 Speaker_04
Back Door Santa? Yeah. Strokin'. Yeah. Yeah, wow. He contains multitudes.

00:46:05 Speaker_01
I love that song, Patches. Yeah, and I love that song Strokin'. I'm a Back Door Santa man.

00:46:12 Speaker_07
That'd be Strokin'. Now for Cecilia, the cult's financial problems were not a result of her spending too much money on dumb shit. Instead, she told the cult that it was all their fault because they weren't bringing in enough money.

00:46:24 Speaker_05
She's not wrong. Yeah, no, there's plenty of them.

00:46:27 Speaker_04
If they all got jobs, if they all just got legit jobs, they might be able to do this. Well, the thing is they do.

00:46:34 Speaker_07
Like they do all have legit jobs, except they just don't pay very much. And you know, and Cecilia is at this point, she's created this story where she has all these financial burdens, like these medical burdens, like I'm dying of cancer.

00:46:47 Speaker_07
She also said, my kidneys are failing. I have to pay for medicine and dialysis. And, you know, I have to pay for psychiatry appointments for my DID. So she's created so many bills and she can't say at this point, like, oh, my kidneys are fine now.

00:47:00 Speaker_07
Or, oh, I don't have DID anymore. She has to keep that story. story going, you know?

00:47:05 Speaker_07
And at the same time, she's just filling up her bank account and fucking having, you know, fucking the most expensive top shelf margaritas that the Limelight Pub and Grill can offer.

00:47:12 Speaker_04
Because you know, those silver dollar margaritas at the Limelight have to be a, man, oh man, they fucking catch up.

00:47:19 Speaker_06
Mm-hmm.

00:47:20 Speaker_07
Well, if the cult didn't hop to it and turn on the cash bigot, Cecilia told them that she was going to be killed by Satanists. As far as the orphans went, that pretense was dropped altogether. Or at least it faded into the background.

00:47:33 Speaker_05
They aged out. Yeah, I think they, uh, they grew up. The soldier takes an adult orphan.

00:47:39 Speaker_07
Yeah, well, I mean, she could say anything because, you know, at this point, it's all magic.

00:47:44 Speaker_04
You know, she's just a you also when you get it down to people, just this is how I operate on a day to day basis. And this is what I now consider my life. And I'm doing this. I'm just used to this.

00:47:55 Speaker_04
This is the temperature to which I have grown accustomed. And I am just going to keep going. And it doesn't really you've already made your choice.

00:48:01 Speaker_07
Yep. Either way though, the only thing on the cult's mind was getting money for Cecilia. Now their first plan was to kill Zach Valentine to lesser their financial burden. Great idea!

00:48:12 Speaker_07
Because that's the thing, they're basically looking at a budget and they're like, well we could get rid of Zach, that'll save 40 bucks a week. Yeah!

00:48:20 Speaker_07
But after they voted that down, they decided robbery and murder really was their only option to make a quick buck.

00:48:24 Speaker_04
So Cecilia had LaRue draw up a list of potential victims. What's next? That's the 2026 budget for LPN.

00:48:47 Speaker_07
Now they figured that financial advisors would be good targets because they often held appointments outside of their own office. You want to make money killing a South African? Dave Matthews. Or a police officer.

00:48:59 Speaker_05
Too much to say, too much to say.

00:49:04 Speaker_07
But having appointments outside the office, that would be key in luring targets into a situation from which they couldn't escape. So, Marinda suggested her own financial advisor, Anthony Schoenfield.

00:49:16 Speaker_04
These poor fucking business managers and accountants are all just like, why do you think I have money on hand? All I do is tell people to not have money on hand.

00:49:31 Speaker_01
The difference between meth heads in South Africa and America is in Africa they have financial advisors.

00:49:37 Speaker_05
How do they have all the staff? Do they even have teeth?

00:49:42 Speaker_07
Well LaRue called Schoenfield under the name Ruan Schuman.

00:49:46 Speaker_03
My name is Ruan Schuman! And I am the man of shoes.

00:49:51 Speaker_04
Please, I have to talk about you. It is certain laces and vestments that I am in.

00:49:58 Speaker_01
You know, he was just like, looking down while he was making up the name. He's like, I'm, uh... Roachman! Shoe man!

00:50:06 Speaker_04
Mister. You call me mister, uh, laptop cup man.

00:50:13 Speaker_05
Laptop.

00:50:15 Speaker_04
It's very Dutch.

00:50:17 Speaker_05
I'm very Dutch.

00:50:19 Speaker_07
LaRue set up an appointment for the next day, May 10th, at the Key West Shopping Center, ostensibly for advice about life insurance and investment. Yep, absolutely on my way.

00:50:29 Speaker_07
But a couple hours before the meeting, LaRue called Anthony Schoenfeld and told him that he couldn't actually meet at the shopping center.

00:50:37 Speaker_04
So maybe you can come meet me at my apartment instead? So Anthony, the accountant, is going to bring with him to your apartment. All his money.

00:50:48 Speaker_07
That's what he's going to do. Well, the reasoning behind this runaround was that the cult believed that financial advisors kept paperwork about where they went for their meetings.

00:50:57 Speaker_07
So if they changed the location at the last minute, then the paper trail would lead police to think that Anthony had simply disappeared somewhere between his office and the shopping center.

00:51:06 Speaker_04
I thought the point was to get money. Yeah. So the idea of all this, like, they do all these planning, being like, we're gonna get money this way, and then it's just murder. Well, it's murder with money.

00:51:16 Speaker_07
We'll talk about the money here in a second.

00:51:18 Speaker_01
It is interesting that they keep choosing financial advisors as like, you know, you'd be, you would think that more murderers would have done this.

00:51:26 Speaker_04
It's like, yeah, you don't think that accountants would always be strapped and like followed everywhere with security if they were the number one money holders of people walking around. Like, I just, it's truly stupid.

00:51:38 Speaker_07
Yeah. Now, when Anthony showed up to the cult's apartment complex, he ran into Mirinda, not knowing that Mirinda was LaRue's mother.

00:51:45 Speaker_07
So, Mirinda, LaRue, and Anthony walked into Mirinda's apartment, apartment number 17, where John Barnard and Marcel were waiting. After LaRue turned on some loud music, Mirinda pulled out her pistol and told Anthony, this is a stick-up, see? Yeah, see?

00:52:02 Speaker_07
And LaRue, embarrassed by his mother's old-timey vernacular, Hey, mother. You are the most ignorant bitch.

00:52:12 Speaker_04
This is not a stick-up. It is a hold-up! Yes, he said, mom, it's a hold-up. Geez. It's a hold-up. Not a stick-up-a-mama. Okay? And soon it will be. I just can't believe this is a detail that was in the court. Dude, this all comes out of the court case.

00:52:29 Speaker_04
All of this is in the testimony.

00:52:30 Speaker_07
And so, LaRue tied Anthony's hands and feet with tape and was strong enough to pin Anthony to the floor when the 60-year-old man tried wiggling away. I mean... Again, they asked for his PIN number.

00:52:41 Speaker_07
And once Anthony's bank cards were in their possession, Marcel and John ran out to the ATM to take out money. And as soon as they were gone, Leroux pulled out his chokie-chokie and strangled his third victim to death.

00:52:54 Speaker_04
I tell you what, unfortunately, you will not be okie-okie once you meet my... Choky choky.

00:53:01 Speaker_07
And that basically solidified LaRue as the new chief executioner of Electus Perdeus. Oui. I love to murder.

00:53:10 Speaker_04
And pogs! I love pogs.

00:53:17 Speaker_01
Everything gets there ten years later.

00:53:20 Speaker_04
The brand new thing is Little Discs. Have you tried them? With a slam air. Little Discs, the ultimate in combat. engagement with your fellow man.

00:53:30 Speaker_07
Well, as far as the body went, the cult wrapped it in plastic bags and put it in the trunk of Anthony's Honda.

00:53:37 Speaker_07
They then drove it to an elementary school and parked it in the lot with the keys and the ignition, hoping that someone would steal it and take care of the body for them.

00:53:46 Speaker_07
But Anthony's wife immediately noticed he was missing when he didn't show up at home that night. And after she called the police, Anthony's car and his body were found immediately.

00:53:56 Speaker_07
But finally, after all those years, a piece of hard evidence was created that linked Electus Perdeus to a murder. When the Rue took almost $1,000 out of Anthony's account at a local gas station ATM, a CCTV caught him on camera.

00:54:13 Speaker_07
That, however, brought the police no closer to actually finding Electus Perdeus because the CCTV footage wasn't clear enough for a full identification.

00:54:23 Speaker_07
And so, celebrating a win after three goose eggs, Electus Perdeus immediately began searching for another target. But the win was just $1,000. Yeah, no, it's not good. I mean, compared to $40 and change, it's not bad.

00:54:37 Speaker_04
It's still nothing. It's still not worth a human life.

00:54:42 Speaker_01
That's at least... $25,000. I was going to say $12,000. But, you know, you pay me.

00:54:52 Speaker_05
Drive from your grave.

00:54:55 Speaker_07
Well, after finding an insurance agent named Kevin McAlpine, LaRue, using the stupid alias of Ruan Shuman again, made an appointment at the same shopping center, then again changed the location at the last minute to his mother's apartment.

00:55:09 Speaker_07
Kevin McAlpine's murder went down pretty much the same as Anthony Schoenfeld's, but this time, after bringing the body down to the victim's car, they drove it to a bad part of town to hopefully guarantee a theft.

00:55:22 Speaker_07
But after Marinda made two ATM withdrawals for $75 each, because these withdrawal amounts from the ATMs in South Africa are fucking insane. Oh, you know what it is?

00:55:32 Speaker_03
It's the exchange rate. It's the exchange rate. Yeah, yeah.

00:55:34 Speaker_07
So they're taking out like 4,000 rand. Yes. Yeah. It's the dumbest fucking name for a currency I've ever heard. Rand.

00:55:41 Speaker_04
What are you talking about, Waymox? You're our best, most powerful fighter for liberty in our country, or?

00:55:47 Speaker_07
Rand.

00:55:48 Speaker_04
Paul. Everyone's favorite.

00:55:55 Speaker_07
But after Marinda made two ATM withdrawals for $75 each, Kevin's wife shut off the car because she too immediately knew that something was wrong.

00:56:04 Speaker_07
The slightly revised plan of parking the car in a bad neighborhood didn't work either because shortly after Kevin McAlpine's wife called the police, they found his car and his dead body.

00:56:14 Speaker_07
Now it seems like the pace of murder for Electus Perdeus didn't really change depending on how successful a score was. If the score was good, they were excited to try it again.

00:56:23 Speaker_07
If it was bad, then they needed to do it again as quickly as possible to make up for the loss. But either way, Cecilia made sure to pressure her people as much as she could to commit more murder.

00:56:34 Speaker_07
Possibly because she was, as I said earlier, ramping up like many serial killers do before they get arrested. Or, this is also an option, because she didn't want her people to have time to think about what they were actually fucking doing.

00:56:46 Speaker_04
Yes, I think that it had a lot to do with that. I think it had a lot, like, also watch now, because remember where all this started.

00:56:53 Speaker_04
This started with a bunch of people believing the literal, physical power of Jesus Christ that could change other people's lives. And it went from this truly lofty war against satanic forces, and now we are actually just killing people for money now.

00:57:11 Speaker_04
Now we went from any form of messianic version of crime to full-on just murder for cash. And it is amazing how quickly that slope

00:57:23 Speaker_04
goats and how fast you can go and all of a sudden now you're just murdering for hundreds of dollars at a time, which is far less than we pay our wonderful private contractors at BlackRock and stuff like that.

00:57:35 Speaker_04
Which is just, they could be doing so much better.

00:57:38 Speaker_07
And that's the thing, it's not just murdering people for hundreds of dollars at a time, it's murdering people and thinking that there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. That what you're doing is justified.

00:57:49 Speaker_04
It just shows that it's a really good example of that. I feel like the allegory of the frog in the water is so overused, but it's just the fucking truth.

00:58:00 Speaker_07
It's overused because it happens all the time.

00:58:02 Speaker_04
You just get so used to a way of thinking that it doesn't really matter anymore.

00:58:06 Speaker_01
Also, the meth gets you a little willy-nilly. But then I had some readjustment.

00:58:11 Speaker_04
We were saying that the meth was way overboard. Then I saw some people saying that for a group of that big, $400 a week is kind of more normal. I mean, well, it's four people.

00:58:19 Speaker_07
I don't think Marcel was doing meth. No, not as much. I don't think they were doing as much meth. I don't know how much meth LaRue was doing. I think it was Zach and Cecilia and possibly Miranda that were doing the majority of the meth.

00:58:31 Speaker_01
Yes, it does seem like that. Now, I'm sure you'll get to this, but where the fuck is Rhea? Oh, she's gone.

00:58:37 Speaker_07
Yeah, Rhea's disappeared. Rhea moved to a new town, changed her name, and she's around now.

00:58:45 Speaker_07
But just four days after the murder of Kevin McAlpine, Electus Perdeus, who were basically a murderous criminal gang at this point, they made an appointment with a real estate agent this time.

00:58:55 Speaker_07
woman named Hanley Latigan after seeing her in a REMAX ad. For some reason, Marinda assumed that real estate agents had cash on hand, more at least than financial advisors. That's so, that's the dumbest shit possible.

00:59:10 Speaker_07
Yeah, I don't know why, like did they think that people were paying real estate agents cash for homes?

00:59:15 Speaker_04
What it also shows, If you're going to run a disastrous cult, I mean this to all of us now that are now in the midst of it, is that you should do some reading about how to operate your cult a little bit. I mean, like, you got to figure it out.

00:59:29 Speaker_04
You got to do some kind of due diligence.

00:59:31 Speaker_01
Yeah, you want cash, you got to look. Blackjack dealers got cash.

00:59:35 Speaker_04
Yeah, but the blackjack dealer only got cash when he's at work. Well, they go home with tips.

00:59:42 Speaker_04
Also, I feel like what they were doing, to be honest, is these are the higher echelon people that I think that they also thought that they could get pretty easily. Yeah.

00:59:50 Speaker_04
Because real estate agents work on their own and you can call them and single them out very easily.

00:59:54 Speaker_07
No, yeah. That was the whole point. Yes. Yeah. I mean, because at the end of the day, if they're just killing people, they'd get more money from a fucking waiter. Yes.

01:00:03 Speaker_05
Waiters make good cash. Waiters make great cash.

01:00:04 Speaker_07
That's what I mean.

01:00:06 Speaker_04
Like a waiter might go home with like- Sex workers, drug dealers, people that work in the black market, people that are outside of the system. That's why serial killers, that's why really good serial killers do that.

01:00:16 Speaker_04
They murder people that aren't connected to the system because then they take their money. This is a person that was really high up on themselves. Yeah.

01:00:24 Speaker_07
Well, because Marinda assumed that real estate agents have more cash than financial advisors, she made an appointment where Hanley was set to pick her up across the street from Kosana Apartments.

01:00:35 Speaker_07
Meanwhile, Marcelle was actually doing her best to try to escape the cult. While preparations for the murder of Hanley Latigan were being made, Marcelle was informed that she'd been admitted to study medicine at the University of Pretoria.

01:00:49 Speaker_04
She's still doing college admissions. She's murdering people and still filling out essays and doing all of this shit.

01:00:55 Speaker_07
I'll push back on that. Marcelle never murdered anyone.

01:00:57 Speaker_04
She was just around. She was just watched. She just got traumatized.

01:01:00 Speaker_07
Yes, over and over again. But instead of being happy for her daughter, Marinda was incensed by the news.

01:01:07 Speaker_07
She told Marcelle that she should just kill her like she'd killed Michaela for even thinking about abandoning Electus Perdeus and more importantly, abandoning Cecilia.

01:01:17 Speaker_04
Man, I'm so afraid of my mom. I can't imagine having... If I had to watch my mother... Can you imagine Linda? Systematically killing just people. Just being like, oh, you don't think I won't kill you?

01:01:28 Speaker_04
I can just see her being like, oh, the quilt murders. Oh my God, I can see her wiping out her quilt group. How dare you want us to move us in a modern direction?

01:01:37 Speaker_03
Country camping lives forever!

01:01:41 Speaker_07
So Marcel resigned herself to tacitly participating in yet another murder. This time, however, their quarry got clever before she got killed.

01:01:56 Speaker_07
After she was lured into apartment 17 and told to transfer money to Miranda at gunpoint, Hanley instead transferred a large sum of money to her husband.

01:02:05 Speaker_07
This triggered an alert on her husband's phone, and after he called her in a panic and got no answer, he canceled her bank cards. This time, however, CCTV managed to capture a second member of Electus Perdeus.

01:02:19 Speaker_07
Marcel was able to withdraw $172 American from Hanley's account at an ATM before all her cards were cancelled. But after that, police had two suspects in what were now being called the appointment murders.

01:02:34 Speaker_07
But with Hanley, the crew tried a different plan in disposing of the body. after stuffing the corpse into a trash can for transport because I suppose they were worried about neighbors seeing them carry a third body shaped bag out of apartment 17.

01:02:47 Speaker_04
No one has seemed to give a fucking shit in this entire apartment complex. This is happening in an apartment complex.

01:02:55 Speaker_07
They chose Marinda's car for disposal. See, Hanley's car was covered in Remax stickers, which would make it even easier to find the rest.

01:03:03 Speaker_07
So Hanley's body was wrapped in a red blanket and propped up in Marinda's seat to make it look like she was sleeping. They then drove out of town past the sewage treatment facility, which South Africans disgustingly call those sewage farms.

01:03:16 Speaker_04
This is why I think there might be a misunderstanding about what a water park is.

01:03:21 Speaker_07
But after finding a remote spot, the cult dragged Hanley's body behind some bushes and just left it there. Then they drove back to Kruger's Dorp, throwing Hanley's possessions out the car window on the way back.

01:03:32 Speaker_07
The one thing the cult didn't think about was that if they didn't use Hanley's car for disposal, then her very identifiable car would instead sit across the street from the very location where she'd been murdered.

01:03:44 Speaker_07
But when police came out to investigate, Cecilia arrogantly went out to chat with them about Hanley's disappearance under the auspices of being a concerned citizen.

01:03:53 Speaker_07
Again, like a serial killer, Cecilia enjoyed talking with the police about her crimes. Hanley's body, meanwhile, was found the next morning by a bunch of kids on their way to school.

01:04:04 Speaker_07
But still, no one was looking at Cecilia Stain for any of these murders. She was nowhere near connected to it, technically. And she soon decided to start work on another insurance scheme.

01:04:14 Speaker_07
This time, the victim would be LaRue and Marcel's estranged father, who had just begun to reconnect with his children. He was taking him out on, like, fishing trips and shit.

01:04:24 Speaker_04
Yeah, doing the divorced dad stuff. You go to like the roller skating rink and you do all the things you never did before and all of a sudden now your dad's being nice and fun and he never was before. So, how's the church going? It is quite well.

01:04:39 Speaker_04
Daddy, oh daddy, I have not seen you in so long, cigarette.

01:04:45 Speaker_07
But before that murder came to pass, Electus Perdeus would finally begin to unravel after 11 murders, all because LaRue Stain was not particularly good at crime.

01:04:58 Speaker_07
LaRue had used the same name to make appointments with murder victims Anthony Scholafield and Kevin McAlpine, in addition to using the same meeting location, which was the first clue that connected the appointment murders together.

01:05:11 Speaker_07
Additionally, LaRue had called to change the location of one of these appointments too early.

01:05:16 Speaker_07
Anthony Scholafield had written down the new address of the appointment, Kosana Apartments, which was the same place that Hanley Lattigan's car had been found.

01:05:25 Speaker_04
So fucking obnoxious how long this took and how bad they had to be to do it. He also used the same rope he established. It had a name. The rope had a name.

01:05:35 Speaker_07
And once police canvassed the complex, they noticed that LaRue and Marcel looked similar to the people caught on CCTV footage using the ATM cards of appointment murder victims.

01:05:45 Speaker_07
The two of them were therefore arrested for murder, kidnapping, and robbery. Finally. And as soon as they were in custody, Cecilia Stain's fabricated world began to quickly fall apart.

01:05:58 Speaker_07
While in custody, LaRue cracked almost immediately and confessed to all three appointment murders. I think he was ready to talk.

01:06:06 Speaker_04
Well, because he also knew that if he didn't, if he, they all like, I do think there's a cynical edge. Oh, yeah. It's weird. Like, we call him the dumb one, but he seems to be the smartest now. Well, he just needs to be out.

01:06:18 Speaker_04
He understands that if I don't say everything that I know right the fuck now, I am going to be on hook for everything. This is why criminal organizations fall apart.

01:06:26 Speaker_07
But that's the thing, is that at this point, LaRue is still saying, I did everything.

01:06:31 Speaker_04
Yes, he's taking it on his own at first.

01:06:32 Speaker_07
At this point, LaRue was like, me and Marcel did it all. You got us on camera. We did it all. Yes. But Marcel stayed silent and wouldn't say anything until well into their trial. This would prove to be a huge mistake.

01:06:46 Speaker_07
Meanwhile, the DNA test results for Gerard Jackson had finally come back, confirming that it was not Zach Valentine who'd burnt to a crisp in his BMW six months before.

01:06:55 Speaker_07
Going off a tip from Gerard's wife, who popped back up, police found Zach at the headquarters of a group that organized Bible camps, where he was surviving mostly on chicken livers. I hope they were fried. Yeah, but nothing but chicken livers?

01:07:12 Speaker_04
It would sour at some point.

01:07:15 Speaker_01
A meal of chicken livers I enjoy, but only twice a year.

01:07:18 Speaker_04
Yeah, like Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, the day after Christmas Day.

01:07:22 Speaker_07
But if chicken livers are your entire meal? When found, Zach was quickly identified by his numerous horrendous back tattoos. Oh yeah. In addition to his Electus Perdeus tramp stamp.

01:07:36 Speaker_01
Zach also had a lion's head a dog paw print the face of just some guy Well now he's going to jail after he's gone to Africa

01:08:04 Speaker_07
You also had a demon.

01:08:06 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, and a lot of random words and names in both English and Hebrew under the heading blessings Well, I think it was a reminder that I fight I deal with demons I fight demons this is a demon menu of demons I've consumed

01:08:24 Speaker_07
Le Roux, meanwhile, was identified partly by his large back tattoo of a puppet that was very much in the style of Johan Vazquez, the Johnny the Homicidal Maniac guy.

01:08:34 Speaker_04
That is a very of its time tattoo.

01:08:37 Speaker_07
Yeah. In true emo style, the word puppet was tattooed above the image because Le Roux said that his strings were being pulled by Cecilia and his mother.

01:08:46 Speaker_04
And I did not want anybody to think that the lines were either smears of saliva or some former 3D thing. So it's important for you to see it is a puppet without the little joints.

01:09:05 Speaker_07
Now once the connection was made between Gerard Jackson and Zach Valentine, a further connection was made between Zach and the appointment murders. And police rightly saw this as weird as fuck.

01:09:17 Speaker_07
So police started looking into all the other unsolved murders in Kruger's Dorp that had a bit of a twist.

01:09:23 Speaker_07
In the meantime, the leader of Electus Perdeus and her number one woman were finally arrested in connection to insurance fraud related to Zach's supposed death. And so on July 29th, 2016, Mirinda Stain, 50 years old, and Cecilia Stain, 35.

01:09:41 Speaker_07
Yeah, she's 35 and all that.

01:09:44 Speaker_05
That's, she looks horrible. I know.

01:09:49 Speaker_07
I know, God, she looks like a hard 48. She does. Yeah. But they were finally put behind bars. And once they were in jail, police got an anonymous tip to search the high school where Miranda taught English.

01:10:02 Speaker_07
And we're quite surprised to find 3,000 rounds of ammunition and shotgun shells hidden in the Homex storage room.

01:10:13 Speaker_04
I don't know what to say about that. I know why a part of me thinks it's awesome. You found out your English teacher was like that. You just be like,

01:10:23 Speaker_04
But before Miranda was arrested, she'd gone to the principal of her school and asked him to notarize a change in her will.

01:10:44 Speaker_07
after her yeah I mean your principal everyone anyone can be a notary my mom's a notary absolutely but it means nothing you just stamp something yeah but you gotta you know I don't know how she became a notary but she's definitely a notary you just pay for it online you can just like yeah you fill out the paperwork I think technically I can be a notary anyone can become a notary because I have a pastor's license yeah but you don't need to be a pastor to be a notary I refuse to be separate

01:11:08 Speaker_04
I must be pastor and notary. You are separate.

01:11:10 Speaker_07
Yeah, but you're also only a pastor in New York State because that's where you married me and Karolina. No, I belong to the Universal Life Church. And that's a state that's countrywide? Yeah. I can marry anybody. Universal Life Church.

01:11:19 Speaker_01
You have to, every different state, you have to apply. Except for California. Anyone can get married in California by anybody.

01:11:26 Speaker_07
Cool. Well, after Marinda's kids were charged with murder, Marinda had modified the document to cut him out and leave everything to Cecilia.

01:11:35 Speaker_07
Because at this point, they're like, all right, LaRue and Marcel are taking the rap for the appointment murders. We're cool. We're fine. We're safe.

01:11:42 Speaker_07
But after LaRue was shown the document cutting him out of his mother's will, he was finally done with Electus Perdeus, saying something along the lines of, fuck her, in regards to his mother.

01:11:55 Speaker_07
Instead of taking the full rap for himself, along with his sister, he told police about Cecilia and Miranda's involvement in the appointment murders.

01:12:04 Speaker_04
It's important to remember that if the cult you belong to believes that certain people are expendable, that means everyone is. Yep.

01:12:11 Speaker_04
So the closer you're in to the inner circle of the little cult that you belong to, the more likely you are to be on a chopping block at some point. Yep. And they are unforgiving about it. They're going to grind you up like a bunch of sausage meat.

01:12:24 Speaker_07
They really are. Yeah.

01:12:25 Speaker_01
You're going to be the guy who just comes to a meeting once a week.

01:12:27 Speaker_07
That's the cue. That's the thing. If you're in the cult, getting ground up and getting thrown to the wolves is not only possible, it is inevitable. It's coming. It's coming in a big way. Yes.

01:12:40 Speaker_07
Well, the last member of the cult to be arrested was John Barnard, who had stupidly taken his own phone with him to every crime scene. So his location at all times was easily determined.

01:12:50 Speaker_07
Barnard also very quickly confessed to his part in the appointment murders, but added the murder of Joan and Peter Meyer.

01:12:58 Speaker_07
And just to put all this into perspective, the period of time between the murder of the Meyers and the murder of Hanley Latigan, six months.

01:13:05 Speaker_04
Yeah, you know, it was over years and then, like in a berserker mode, like with any other heavy hitter, they just exploded with activity because, again, they weren't making enough money.

01:13:15 Speaker_07
There was still, however, the matter of what had come to be known as the Satanic Murders. That was the first cluster committed by Electus Perdeus. And those murders, by the way, those four murders, that was three months back in 2012.

01:13:28 Speaker_07
Well, it seems the only one who truly cared about the satanic murders was a man named Captain Buieson who'd made the connection between Zach Valentine and the rest of Electus Perdeus.

01:13:39 Speaker_07
He had an inkling that the appointment murders and the satanic murders were all committed by this same group of idiots.

01:13:46 Speaker_07
But when he went to review the documents concerning the murders of Natasha Berger, Joy Boonsayer, Pastor Regbin Dixon, and Mikayla Valentine, he found that all of the police reports had mysteriously disappeared. Just gone.

01:14:01 Speaker_07
Now, it's speculated by author Jan Marks that three officers known only as X, Y, and Z in her book, presumably because she was afraid of naming them, they were a part of a cover-up for the cult.

01:14:13 Speaker_07
As we said many times before, this all probably stems from the fact that Cecilia Stane's husband was a cop.

01:14:19 Speaker_04
Yeah. I mean, and what we've seen so far, it's just so hard to say that true corruption was not involved if they don't want people to know that these were not being done by a satanic cult, but in fact were being done from within.

01:14:33 Speaker_07
I think it was down to pure corruption. Yeah.

01:14:36 Speaker_04
Yeah.

01:14:37 Speaker_07
But officers X, Y, and Z tried covering their asses by claiming that they'd infiltrated the cult after the confession tapes made by James Vermaak had been rendered unusable somehow.

01:14:48 Speaker_07
But no paperwork concerning authorization for undercover work nor any reports on what they supposedly discovered were ever found.

01:14:55 Speaker_04
Yeah, what in the living fuck were the embedded cops doing? Just murdering and being there? Just hanging out watching fucking the Hulk and watching the Ed Norton Hulk? And trying to think of who else?

01:15:04 Speaker_04
All the other horseshit they just sat and watched in their stinky old apartment and townhouse all day?

01:15:08 Speaker_07
Well, the point is that they were never there. No. They had never infiltrated the cult.

01:15:12 Speaker_04
They didn't even try. They literally didn't even try.

01:15:14 Speaker_07
No. They covered it all up and tried to forget about it.

01:15:16 Speaker_04
But also the fact that having a, and I actually feel like in many ways it was beneficial for them to have a satanic cult still running around murdering because then that gave them a job security.

01:15:26 Speaker_07
That I will say, I will agree with that. A South African police official claimed that the offending officers did face disciplinary action and criminal charges for fraud and obstruction of justice. There's no evidence of that either.

01:15:39 Speaker_07
And even if they did face charges, those charges certainly aren't equal to the crime of covering up four incredibly brutal murders.

01:15:47 Speaker_07
But even so, there was enough evidence to link the satanic murders to the appointment murders, and Electus Perdeus went on trial for all 11.

01:16:06 Speaker_04
The problem is at the center of it is Cecilia Stane, who is a fucking attention whore. And needs it, loves it, wants it. And they're all like this. They're all a bunch of weird little busybody shitheads. Yeah.

01:16:18 Speaker_04
That really were excited for having people hear them talk. Did she take the stance? Yes. Yeah. Did she lie the whole time? Yeah. Oh yeah. Fuck yeah. You know, honestly, thank God. Staying in character.

01:16:28 Speaker_07
Not changing at all.

01:16:30 Speaker_04
I find it refreshing because I hate it. When Alex Jones busted character, I was like, what a fucking weak pussy, right? That's a pussy. Yeah. The idea that you fucking gave up the ghost to keep your kids.

01:16:39 Speaker_04
You're like, you don't care about your fucking kids. Like you really don't care. Like the fact that you busted it. That's why I kind of, I almost admire Cecilia staying in her way. She stayed a fucking dumb ass bitch the whole time.

01:16:52 Speaker_07
Now, as the state was building its case against Electus Perdeus, they found that most of the people who could have been witnesses were too terrified of Cecilia Stane to testify, and some refused to even speak about her or Electus Perdeus.

01:17:05 Speaker_04
I mean, they'd killed 11 people. Yeah, they were definitely, they believed that they were killing to fight Satan, but you know.

01:17:12 Speaker_07
But in the end, Amber Duprees and James Vermach came out of witness protection to help put their former cult away, and finally,

01:17:20 Speaker_07
Rhea Grunewald took the stand to repair some of the damage she'd done by contributing more than anyone to Cecilia's rise to power. She could still suck my fucking dick. Yeah, I mean, she was the reason why all this happened. Yes.

01:17:33 Speaker_07
Miranda, meanwhile, testified as well, but only to confess. She recalled all of the murders in great detail, including the satanic murders, and attempted to take all the blame, because even after all of this, she was still trying to protect Cecilia.

01:17:49 Speaker_04
Marinda and Cecilia spent months coordinating their testimony with each other off to the side to try to put, because then Marinda wanted, like, that's what, in the end, like, of all of it, like, Cecilia aggravates me and stuff.

01:18:03 Speaker_04
Marinda scared the fuck out of me on the stand. Well, she's a true killer. That's it. Psychopath that woman and the fact that she was when she's all that like taking it all just being like I did everything Yeah, it was all me.

01:18:16 Speaker_07
It's a full psychopath who posed as an English teacher for she was when she joined Electus Perdeus She's like 45. Yeah, like for like, I mean she joined in her fucking 40s Can you imagine that like three years from now joining a fucking cult?

01:18:32 Speaker_07
No, especially not of this kind. Like, this is fucking insane. I mean, it just shows you what normal people are fucking capable of.

01:18:40 Speaker_05
They're not even hot.

01:18:41 Speaker_04
They're not even hot. It's wild, right? Because even some of the Manson girls were kind of hot. Of course. I remember in college when that chick tried to get you in a cult. She was hot. Shelby was really very attractive. And she almost got me, man.

01:18:56 Speaker_04
That was a welcoming area. She had a whole seat put out for me. She was so hot and showed there. I was just so, I was so hung over that I was late for church. That's the only reason why they didn't get me.

01:19:05 Speaker_01
Why is this church at a La Quinta?

01:19:08 Speaker_04
Yeah, it was very, but then I also wonder. How comforting would it have been? You know? I would have received my wife, I would have received my... Since, because years later, it took years for the CIA to give us all the stuff. Yeah.

01:19:21 Speaker_04
I could have chose God earlier.

01:19:23 Speaker_07
Mm-hmm. Now that actually, that happened to me once in college as well. This cute girl, like, invited me to a meeting. That's what happened. And I, but that's the thing is that I kind of... They all knew my name when I arrived.

01:19:33 Speaker_07
I had a feeling that it was gonna be like bad so I had my buddy Nick like call me it was like call me 30 minutes after I get there and as a way out and if I say like oh no the station's gone off air like his dark radio station should always go off the air yeah then it was ready for me to come to run or if I would say like okay everything's cool bye and yeah I immediately like oh fuck man and he I've never heard someone cackle so hard

01:20:00 Speaker_07
on the other end of the phone because he was the one who came up with the plan. He's like, dude, I'm telling you, man, you're going to get caught in a fucking Christian trap.

01:20:07 Speaker_04
You don't understand that that's what's happening. You're just thinking about boobies.

01:20:11 Speaker_07
Yeah, ma'am. And I completely ignored the conversation I had with the girl a couple of days earlier about how God had to exist because the human eye is too complex. We'll say anything.

01:20:22 Speaker_04
Penises will say, because that's penises talking.

01:20:25 Speaker_07
That's not brains talking. That's a penis listening.

01:20:30 Speaker_01
Back in Tallahassee, I went to the Church of Hooters. Yes, so you did. I remember that church.

01:20:35 Speaker_04
It was wonderful. Those priests were great.

01:20:39 Speaker_07
But Cecilia, when she took the stand, all she would say is, I don't know anything, I wasn't there, and I don't remember. It wasn't me.

01:20:48 Speaker_03
It wasn't me.

01:20:49 Speaker_06
Are you mad?

01:20:50 Speaker_04
She snatched her favorite song! Yeah, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. Yeah, like all she did, she just said it, but very seriously.

01:20:57 Speaker_07
Yeah. Now, Zach Valentine likewise denied that he was involved, and Marcel said nothing until the week before closing arguments.

01:21:06 Speaker_07
But near the end of the trial, Marcel admitted that she was present for many of the murders, and it technically helped with body disposal.

01:21:13 Speaker_07
but had done so only because she was rightfully terrified that her mother would actually murder her if she didn't. The judge, however, offered no leniency.

01:21:23 Speaker_07
While most of the rest of Electus Prudeus got what they deserved, the judge ruled that Marcel voluntarily associated herself with the group, even though she was only 14 years old when the murders began.

01:21:35 Speaker_07
As a result, she received seven life sentences plus 144 years. Should've tried harder to get out.

01:21:44 Speaker_04
I don't think, I mean, she was 14. Yeah, I know. You gotta run. You just gotta run for the hills. She stabbed one of them, right? Yeah, she did one of them. She had to.

01:21:52 Speaker_07
Well, she tried to, but the knife didn't ever actually go in.

01:21:55 Speaker_04
Yeah, and then her mom had to do it for her anyway. You know how that is. That's at least 10 years. It's like me whenever I had a science fair. I don't blame mom. Oh, mom's gonna become a scientist this weekend.

01:22:05 Speaker_07
I don't blame Marcel at all.

01:22:06 Speaker_04
Oh, blame her. I don't blame her. It's not a blame. It's just, it's just, you know.

01:22:10 Speaker_07
Yeah, getting out, I don't think was really, I don't know if that was really an option for her.

01:22:14 Speaker_01
No, probably not.

01:22:15 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:22:16 Speaker_01
And I think that they were kind of embarrassed by how long it took them to figure this out. Oh, they better. And they just threw the book at everybody. As they should have.

01:22:23 Speaker_07
Well, they threw the book at everybody except LaRue.

01:22:25 Speaker_04
Yeah. Because he actively participated with the state. He's the only one that had enough cigarettes to be in prison.

01:22:32 Speaker_07
I mean, everyone else got pretty much the same as Marcel. Cecilia, Mirinda, John, they all got multiple life sentences. But, Leroux, because he turned state's witness, only got 25 years.

01:22:46 Speaker_07
And that's after he voluntarily and enthusiastically murdered four people with his chokey-chokey. Get about six years per murder.

01:22:55 Speaker_04
Do you think that he can sleep now in jail without his chokey-chokey, or do you think he made like a little one that he can sleep in? It's hard to get rope in prison. It is. The only ropes are made by us.

01:23:07 Speaker_04
And our penises, when we jog off in each other, makes we love. Oh, you're talking about shooting ropes. Yeah. Me calm. He talk about me calm.

01:23:20 Speaker_07
But even though everyone in Electus Perdeus, except LaRue, will be in prison until the day they die, Captain Buieson believes that there are more murders connected to the cult.

01:23:30 Speaker_07
I absolutely more than believe that there are more murders connected to the cult. At least two unsolved murders can credibly be connected to Electus Perdeus, and that's not even counting the story of Morrin Harmsa.

01:23:43 Speaker_07
See, in September of 2008, six years before Electus Perdeus began murdering their fellow Christians, 18-year-old Morin Harmsa murdered a friend and injured four others with a samurai sword at his high school in Kruger's Dorp.

01:23:59 Speaker_07
He did all of this wearing a mask that resembled the one worn by Corey Taylor, lead singer of Slipknot.

01:24:05 Speaker_04
You know, the most evil of... They are just pure evil. They're definitely not a band.

01:24:11 Speaker_01
I love Corey Taylor. He's very talented. I love Slipknot. Yeah, me too.

01:24:15 Speaker_07
I fucking adore Slipknot. And that's the thing is that like Slipknot, they were easy to blame. They have the song on iWeb, the Heretic Anthem. You know, fucking, if you're 555 them, 666. Yeah, it's cool. I fucking love that song. It's great. It's awesome.

01:24:27 Speaker_07
Yeah, but as far as how wrong these people got it, I mean, I'll stand by Heretic Anthem as a positive outlet for adolescent rage. You would tell kids like me way back when that feeling isolated and different was a totally normal feeling to have.

01:24:39 Speaker_07
It's New Metal at its best.

01:24:41 Speaker_04
Absolutely. I thought I looked like one of the members of Slipknot because of my problems, my self-esteem problems.

01:24:47 Speaker_07
Did you look like the big fat clown? How do we make my sorrow thinner? But I mean, that's why I love Slipknot. They were the fuck you to Korn's fuck me.

01:25:09 Speaker_01
I love Slipknot.

01:25:10 Speaker_07
It paired nicely with System of a Down's more learned fuck the system.

01:25:13 Speaker_01
System of a Down's good.

01:25:15 Speaker_07
Yeah, and Limp Bizkit's ultimately unhelpful message of fuck everything. Yeah. But yeah, System of a Down and Slipknot, two best new metal bands out there. Korn, close third.

01:25:24 Speaker_04
I love Korn.

01:25:25 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:25:28 Speaker_04
Have you ever listened to the original Korn?

01:25:31 Speaker_01
When I was younger I loved Korn and I had the Marilyn Manson CDs. I did not fall into the Slipknot era. But System, I'm always down with System.

01:25:39 Speaker_07
Yeah, they're great. But the boy with the sword, Morin Harmsa, he did claim that Slipknot made him do it.

01:25:46 Speaker_07
He said that when he listened to their music he lost control of his body and his mind and therefore he had to take a samurai sword and stab five people.

01:25:53 Speaker_04
Well yeah, that's why I robbed that bank that one time as Michael Bublé.

01:25:59 Speaker_07
He did it to me. That's why I got that public masturbation charge, because I listened to Strokin by Clarence Carter. I'll be stroking. To the east and to the west.

01:26:10 Speaker_07
Now likewise, when police searched his room, they found the standard Ouija boards and so-called satanic spell books, which of course made this a satanic murder. Slap it. That was their big thing. This is a satanic murder. Bye.

01:26:23 Speaker_07
What police didn't know at the time was that just before Mourne Harmsa went on his stabbing spree, he was receiving so-called spiritual counseling from Cecilia Stane. Yeah, dude. Presumably by way of the Overcomers Through Christ.

01:26:38 Speaker_07
Cecilia's about two years into the Overcomers at this point.

01:26:41 Speaker_04
And if you listen to the Devil's Door documentary, I found it a little bit hard to follow, but the ending... It's very hard to follow. The ending really illustrates

01:26:49 Speaker_04
that there were, there were several other crimes that you could definitely tie to this crew. Like there is absolutely, there was another person that went missing that was a part of Overcomers Through Christ. There was another child that went missing.

01:27:03 Speaker_04
They've done, there's stuff that they did that did not come out.

01:27:06 Speaker_07
Yeah. And so while we don't know for sure that Cecilia Stane talked Morn into his attempted killing spree, I don't think it's a coincidence that wherever Cecilia went, murder followed.

01:27:18 Speaker_07
But it's important to note that murder only became an option after Cecilia's insane narrative was accepted and amplified by a group of fundamentalist Christians who so desperately wanted the myth of murderous satanic cults to be real that they accidentally created one themselves.

01:27:37 Speaker_00
Be careful what you pretend to be because we are what we pretend to be.

01:27:44 Speaker_07
Kurt Vonnegut.

01:27:45 Speaker_04
it's very true and we are it's important now to even think about how in south africa the occult crimes unit that is still around really goes in and out of activity one time it was uh... there was definitely during the judgment so there's no jury system in south africa so it's all done by judge and the judge who was interesting was a black man and he is was trying to say satanism is now no longer illegal in south africa

01:28:13 Speaker_04
In his judgment, he labeled Electus Perdeus a satanic cult because of their activities.

01:28:19 Speaker_04
So what they did, instead of owning up to this and the South African public saying, what if there isn't a giant cabal of satanic cults that are ruining everything? And maybe we're just looking for them and applying that thought to everything.

01:28:33 Speaker_04
Instead of that lesson getting learned, they were just called a satanic cult. So then it just became solidified. And then that line of thought continued on for a long time. And one of the things, I mean, it's continued on for a long time.

01:28:46 Speaker_07
This is eight years ago.

01:28:47 Speaker_04
I just keep going. It just continues to go. But one of the main things that's hard is that the occult crimes unit is basically back as a way of working against these things called the muti muti mutilations and muti murders where it's a rural

01:29:02 Speaker_04
Very rare, I guess, witchcraft activity, which involves the torture of young kids for various ritual purposes, which some shamans around the area say is relatively rare. But enough has happened that it has kicked up that occult crimes unit again.

01:29:20 Speaker_04
So they're still working on this thing in terms of occult related crimes. And it's gone so far that it looks like old Donker Yonker might have sold the television show.

01:29:28 Speaker_04
That is a new South African version of True Detective where they're going to go back and talk about all this. So now they're making money on it, saying that it's real.

01:29:36 Speaker_04
And it's just important for us to see what happens when the government of a country decides that this stuff is real. and what it, how it does trickle down.

01:29:50 Speaker_04
Like the way this trickled down was that straight up 11 people got murdered that should not have gotten murdered because of the, because they were so up their own ass looking for shit that was not there.

01:30:04 Speaker_04
And they, or just not caring because they've already decided that, that, that this is some, this is like, I don't, God knows that some kind of fact of life that satanic cults rule the world and we have to fight them.

01:30:15 Speaker_04
I would say they're more of a meth cult. They are. They were. But again, remember, they weren't satanic. They were Christian. Yeah.

01:30:21 Speaker_07
And they were doing it for Christian purposes. They were fundamentalist Christians. All of them except for Cecilia.

01:30:26 Speaker_04
And all of the satanic based crimes seem to only happen as a result of having an occult crimes division. And because it's the state viewed God as real, you know, which is extremely bad for people. Yeah. Because God's not real in that way. You know?

01:30:41 Speaker_04
In any way. No, but God can exist as a way to help you, but that's really as far as it should go.

01:30:47 Speaker_07
Yeah. You know? Shouldn't be used as a way to justify murder or fucking with anybody else's life. Yep.

01:30:53 Speaker_04
God's been, so many people have been killed in the name of God. Oh, very much so.

01:30:56 Speaker_07
I know, that's what I mean.

01:30:58 Speaker_04
It shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't be, hey, because it seems like the main guy that they all like used to be a hippie, but what do I know? They nailed him to a fucking stick.

01:31:06 Speaker_06
Yep.

01:31:06 Speaker_04
Killed it. Murdered it. Murdered him. So, Kruger's door part four over and done with. We did it. We are moving into a lot of a lot of shit, dude. We're doing the last thing we're doing is slowing down. I'll tell you for fuck certain.

01:31:21 Speaker_04
We are rolling into this life. We're going to do this the same way we've always done it. I'm going to say this like I've always said this in every single time of Strife, which is you're going to have to pull microphone from my cold, dead hands.

01:31:31 Speaker_04
We have done this through a fucking plague. We've done this through the worst parts of our lives. We're going to continue to do the show at our utmost ability for as long as possible.

01:31:39 Speaker_01
Any hints on next week?

01:31:42 Speaker_07
It's gonna get weird. Yeah, it's gonna get weird. Yeah, it's gonna be some weirdo shit.

01:31:46 Speaker_01
Yeah, we got some weird shit coming. I love it. That makes me so excited.

01:31:49 Speaker_07
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01:32:01 Speaker_07
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01:32:11 Speaker_01
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01:32:24 Speaker_01
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01:32:37 Speaker_01
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01:32:39 Speaker_07
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01:32:53 Speaker_00
Hey man, hail sweet Satan. That's the only way out of this mess. I'm going to keep doing it until the very end.

01:33:00 Speaker_07
And hell gain, you fucker.

01:33:01 Speaker_00
Hail, um, system of a doubt.

01:33:04 Speaker_04
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