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Episode: Episode 595: The Krugersdorp Cult Murders Part II - Me, Myself, The Werewolf, and I

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Duration: 01:54:58

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This week the boys dive right back into the story of Electus per Deus and learn how self-proclaimed "Werewolf" cult leader Cecilia Steyn assembled and manipulated her sect of gullible deviants.Last Podcast on the Left | LPN | Youtube | Twitch | Instagram | TikTok | X | [email protected] Subscribe

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00:00:01 Speaker_09
There's no place to escape to. This is the last stop. On the left.

00:00:09 Speaker_01
That's when the cannibalism started. What was that?

00:00:20 Speaker_00
You guys ready? Yeah, man. My whole life.

00:00:23 Speaker_07
Okay, you guys have known me for a while. Eddie, you've known me for more than half of my life. Yeah. Marcus, you and I have been working together for probably close to 15 years.

00:00:32 Speaker_05
I remember when you were just a sad, scared little piece of shit.

00:00:37 Speaker_07
I still am though.

00:00:39 Speaker_00
I still am, eh? Technically he's littler than he was then.

00:00:42 Speaker_07
Yes, by then I was more expansive. You were weaker though.

00:00:46 Speaker_05
I was, and I was more open to other cultures. Yes, you were. In fact, exploitive maybe. No! No, celebratory.

00:00:54 Speaker_07
I was celebratory of the African American community.

00:00:59 Speaker_07
I just want to ask you both, how long and what will it take for you both, like let's say I were to come forward emotionally and tell you both, guys, I love you, I don't know how to say this, but I'm a werewolf. I transform against my will.

00:01:19 Speaker_07
I'm a huge bitch when I do. You don't want to be anywhere near my teats when they explode out of me. Like, honestly, if I were to come to you emotionally and explain to you that I'm a werewolf, what's the procedure?

00:01:34 Speaker_05
The procedure, I mean, well, you go to the first full moon and lock your ass up.

00:01:39 Speaker_07
But, I tell you, the problem is, is that if you come anywhere near me during the full moon, I will kill you both. Even if we just put you in a cage? I transform, I'm actually shapeshifting, and I can travel through walls. You can do all that? Yeah!

00:01:53 Speaker_07
I'm the most powerful witch in northern Los Angeles.

00:01:58 Speaker_00
Aha, just got you in a lie because a male witch is a warlock. But I ain't!

00:02:02 Speaker_07
Not unless you have tits like me!

00:02:04 Speaker_00
Because I have... You got witch tits. I have witch's breasts. That is true, you do have an old witch's breast.

00:02:11 Speaker_10
I have exactly the same body as the lady who played the Wicked Witch in

00:02:18 Speaker_00
You have the same body as the witch in The Witch.

00:02:23 Speaker_07
It's very similar. Seriously, what's the procedure?

00:02:30 Speaker_05
What would it take for you to believe I'm a werewolf? You have witch tits because I can't figure out which one is bigger.

00:02:36 Speaker_00
It's the right. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks. My answer is the second your sister convinces me you're a werewolf, then I'll believe it.

00:02:46 Speaker_07
You don't think she's not going to hop on with all of her improv training? She's going to immediately understand that if I'm telling people that I'm a werewolf, that there's not a grift as a foot, better join in or you're on the other side of it?

00:02:58 Speaker_05
I probably would just ignore it because I know it wasn't true. And, you know, just like I do whenever you talk about aliens.

00:03:08 Speaker_07
I come to you, I'm emotional. I'm explaining to you that this has destroyed my life. I'm such a powerful witch, I can't be hidden, everybody's trying to attack me, and the worst part of all is my period makes me attack people with woven teeth.

00:03:24 Speaker_07
That's cool. What do you do?

00:03:26 Speaker_00
I ask you when you started having a period.

00:03:28 Speaker_10
Oh, buddy, it was when I was 13 years old. Man, oh man, the mess and the surprise.

00:03:37 Speaker_05
I'm pretty sure penis periods are cancer. Yes, that's what they came to say.

00:03:42 Speaker_00
And with me is the heavy flow, Henry Zebrowski.

00:03:45 Speaker_07
I need five paper towel rolls. I wonder if there is a way to because what people don't talk about in this case And I think excuse me and the skeptical Ed Larson. Hey, I don't believe anything Believe a single thing.

00:04:02 Speaker_07
Yeah, I think that though reason why they have cut out the majority of the werewolf lore within this story is because there was they the Literally do mean the major media and the people who wrote about this story.

00:04:17 Speaker_07
Yeah, they cut out a lot I mean a lot of the werewolf content because they felt that people maybe wouldn't take it seriously and

00:04:27 Speaker_07
And it's hard because it really is the center of the beginnings of this cult is all on werewolf shit Yeah, and nobody questions a thing Nobody in the cult questions a thing.

00:04:42 Speaker_07
No in the cult the werewolf stuff was the base Yeah, and then it went from there. What do you do then?

00:04:50 Speaker_00
Well, let's get into the cult itself. Let's really get into this fucking business and how Cecilia Stane came to control these fucking people by telling them that she was a fucking werewolf.

00:04:59 Speaker_05
Yeah, I think I wouldn't do anything as long as you were still funny.

00:05:09 Speaker_07
Believe I'm a werewolf, but you're not gonna come over and try to do anything about it You're not gonna go you're not gonna call Transylvania as long as you show up on time and can still have production calls We're fine unbelievable

00:05:24 Speaker_00
So when we last left Cecilia Stane, eventual leader of the murderous Electus Perdeus cult, she had successfully infiltrated a fundamentalist Christian organization called Overcomers Through Christ.

00:05:39 Speaker_03
It's like that guy who came who comes he can't sell from coming and then he came at his father's funeral And he was like you never know the devastation of having four orgasms in front of your father's dead body

00:06:00 Speaker_00
Overcomers for Christ. Well, Cecilia Stain had infiltrated them by telling them that she was a 42nd generation satanic witch who had just escaped the satanic church and she needed their help.

00:06:12 Speaker_00
Using cheap parlor tricks, a deep backstory, and a manufactured cast of characters who sent text messages to overcomers from burner phones, Cecilia was able to convince the overcomers through Christ that the Satanists were always on the precipice of coming to get both her and them.

00:06:29 Speaker_00
And the Overcomers were the only people who could save Cecilia. Always.

00:06:33 Speaker_07
Now, I, again, in another life, and if this didn't turn into 11 murderers, this is the dream.

00:06:40 Speaker_00
Right? For a lot of Satanists. Well, that's the thing, is that who knows how many times this has happened without any murderers occurring.

00:06:45 Speaker_07
Oh, I think it's many times. No exaggeration. Because we have to remember, let's set the tone again for this cult, is that if you were coming to Overcomers through Christ, again, you have a huge urethra.

00:06:59 Speaker_00
And also remember that Overcomers Through Christ is not the cult. It's the cult she subsidized.

00:07:06 Speaker_07
It's the cult she stole from. She sucked the teat from.

00:07:09 Speaker_00
But even then, I don't know if I would call Overcomers a cult themselves. Like, yeah, they're more of like a really intense prayer group.

00:07:18 Speaker_07
The only way I think I could kind of sum it up is that this group was a lot of cult leaders create the problem and the solution on their own. And the problem, the people with problems go to the cult leader looking for solutions.

00:07:33 Speaker_07
like so a lot of times a cult leader posts up either legitimately you know like Charles Manson or legitimately like Jim Jones they kind of have some standing in society in that way and people come to them and that's how they get bought into the cult because Charles Manson he used the context of the times Jim Jones integrated Indiana he did all these incredible things and then by this point sunken fallacy you're now hanging out with a guy who's gonna kill everybody but in this cult this is a cult led by gravity this woman went

00:08:03 Speaker_07
Straight to where the idiots were.

00:08:05 Speaker_07
Yeah, so she went to overcomers through Christ these people already believed that they had the not only the the The truth they were chosen by God, but they also have the ability to funnel God's empathy through themselves So they're they're weird little bodies Into Satanists to cure them like if you believe already that you can go save people.

00:08:26 Speaker_07
Yeah, you fucking just waiting to be scooped up.

00:08:29 Speaker_00
I You're waiting to get scooped. And that's also important, you say like channel. It's important to note that these people believe they have magical powers.

00:08:38 Speaker_07
There's nothing more magical than a Christian. They really do believe that they harness this ability. So it's so easy to kind of convince them that you're a werewolf. Every Sunday they drink blood. I know a wolf if you're Catholic.

00:08:52 Speaker_00
Well yeah, I mean if you're Methodist, grape juice. Now first, I think that Cecilia was just getting attention out of this deal, but the Overcomers were getting something too.

00:09:02 Speaker_00
She had a whole group of people believing that she was important and in danger. That's what she got.

00:09:07 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, what are witch hunters without witches?

00:09:08 Speaker_00
Yeah, and in return the group got to cosplay as Christian soldiers battling the devil. Although they didn't know they were cosplaying. Because they're stupid.

00:09:17 Speaker_05
And they don't understand that it's just as witchy what they were doing. And they never actually saw any Satanists.

00:09:24 Speaker_00
Never. Well, no, that's the thing. They were surrounded by... Well, no, by seeing, they have Cecilia. Like there's one that's sitting right in front of them that's telling them everything that they ever suspected about the world was true.

00:09:38 Speaker_05
And Cecilia would not have trusted her because she's a Satan.

00:09:45 Speaker_07
But I feel like every one of these groups turn into this. Has your mom ever done this? My mom joined a Reiki group for a while.

00:09:51 Speaker_00
Yeah, my mom joined the fucking Reiki group in Jayden, Texas. You joke. You joke.

00:09:57 Speaker_07
This is where they are. This is fucking, I'm talking about podunk Trumpville, like Florida, right? My mom goes to this Reiki and the way she talks about it, she's like, well, you know, Henry Thomas, the grandmaster told me,

00:10:10 Speaker_07
I had special powers and that I was the best student he'd ever met and me and him are doing private lessons. I'm seeing like, you know, red flags waving back and forth, but I'm just trying not to get involved.

00:10:21 Speaker_07
But then it turns into, you know, like, you know, they said, Henry Thomas, that they're one of us is they, they is sort of, they're not an antichrist, but it's like an anti Reiki sort of angel demon, right?

00:10:30 Speaker_07
And her name's Beth and she's in the group and she's just, we all, none of us trust her. And it was like a whole thing. It turned into this thing with her and the Reiki master. We're going to flip this woman.

00:10:40 Speaker_07
This is just, you know, conference room at a public library until the whole group fell apart about them unable to equally divvy up the, what they all spent at an Airbnb. when they went on a trip out of town.

00:10:52 Speaker_07
I mean this, that's what destroyed the Reiki group. From destroying, like literally the Reiki group was fighting evil. On Wednesday, on Friday they're all like, well I had two pieces of pepperoni pizza. And so that, I saw Mariebeth.

00:11:07 Speaker_07
Mariebeth at five, I saw what she did. She was sneaking and cutting them into little pieces but she was eating more than everybody else.

00:11:14 Speaker_05
You know what's crazy? They're in a library conference room and they're speaking all this nonsense surrounded by information. All the knowledge you need is right there.

00:11:24 Speaker_07
But it's like, I honestly think six more weeks, my mom could have killed 10.

00:11:31 Speaker_00
Well, once Cecilia cemented her place within Overcomers Through Christ as a person in need, she opened up a second front. She started scamming them out of their money.

00:11:42 Speaker_00
Now, Rhea Grunewald, the leader of Overcomers Through Christ, and Candace Reavis, also a member, and Cecilia's supposed girlfriend at the time, they both believed that Cecilia was in a constant state of decay due to continuous spiritual attacks launched by her former satanic coven.

00:12:00 Speaker_00
See, a fair amount of Overcomers through Christ had witnessed Cecilia during one of the so-called Satanic High Nights, in which Cecilia would spit blood because witches were attacking her organs from afar.

00:12:10 Speaker_00
So they'd ostensibly seen quote-unquote proof that Cecilia was deteriorating. But if you'll remember, this was just a cheap trick involving blood and the fingers from a latex glove.

00:12:21 Speaker_00
But as far as the Overcomers were concerned, Cecilia's body was rotting from the inside out due to these frequent Satanic attacks. It definitely wasn't the menthols. And the cocaine.

00:12:34 Speaker_05
And the drinking. A lot of cocaine. A lot of drinking. Whatever she can get her hands on, it seems like.

00:12:39 Speaker_00
Now the only physical malady Cecilia ever had was mild asthma.

00:12:44 Speaker_07
Cocaine really helps with that. Because it's all about having the confidence to not want to have asthma anymore.

00:12:51 Speaker_00
Yeah, the menthols really help with that too. All the glass and the filters.

00:12:55 Speaker_08
It scours the asthma out of you.

00:12:59 Speaker_00
But she convinced the overcomers that she also had leukemia, infections in her heart and lungs, immune deficiency syndrome, high blood pressure, chronic bronchitis, epilepsy, panic attacks, and a chronic stomach ulcer.

00:13:12 Speaker_07
And I'm also a slow reader.

00:13:18 Speaker_00
When any of these conditions presented manufactured symptoms, like loss of breath, convulsions, hyperventilating, or vomiting blood, that was her favorite trick, Candace and or Rhea would race Cecilia to the hospital and pay for her treatment, which only added to the constant sense of urgency surrounding their former Satanist.

00:13:36 Speaker_00
And that's an important thing to remember about Cecilia. Everything is urgent all the time.

00:13:40 Speaker_07
Well, that's how she keeps the pace of the mini, mini cult. Now, we're right now, this is the training time. This is still her figuring out. And the testing time. And the testing time.

00:13:51 Speaker_07
She works on each one of these individuals around her to their specific needs and wants for their relationship with her. It's very interesting. Candace was slowly groomed by Cecilia.

00:14:05 Speaker_07
During this time period, Cecilia would make Candace buy two of the same pieces of clothing whenever she bought clothing so that they could dress identical. So they would dress identical at all times.

00:14:16 Speaker_07
Cecilia would even get angry when she didn't dress identical to the point where they had to call each other in the morning and figure out what each one was gonna wear. And so Cecilia was super into the, how do you say it?

00:14:28 Speaker_07
Lady whose baby is asleep on the counter of a Burger King. She is that style of dress. Crown of front hair, black. I wanna say something along the lines of either, what's a good old fashioned Florida? I'm gonna go ahead and say a black polo shirt.

00:14:45 Speaker_07
Black polo shirt or like a seven fold, a seven fold shirt. Like a lot of that, like that style of sort of like, what's that type of metal?

00:14:54 Speaker_00
New metal.

00:14:55 Speaker_07
New metal. Definitely a new metal vibe. Big pants. And then Cecilia, very, very big pants. And it was this thing, they constantly had to, she didn't like accoutrements. She liked keeping things simple. But this was the beginning of it.

00:15:08 Speaker_07
She also made them nicknames where Cecilia would be called Pookie and Candace's nickname would be Dookie. No.

00:15:17 Speaker_05
It's just like one of those things where it's a series of arbitrary lies and arguments that every time I get annoyed, I just remember this ends in 11 murders. That's the craziest thing of all this stupid bullshit.

00:15:35 Speaker_07
It's a group of annoying stupid people that go on to make a lot of mayhem. It's our favorite kind.

00:15:41 Speaker_00
Cecilia even got a prop. She started carrying around an oxygen tank, and she insisted she needed to have it with her at all times, otherwise she'd die.

00:15:50 Speaker_00
But because of her manufactured health problems, Cecilia would tell Candace or Rhea that she had a mountain of medical bills. As a result, Candace would eventually give Cecilia $6,000 per month to pay these bills.

00:16:03 Speaker_00
Cecilia, however, always insisted that Candace give her the cash directly.

00:16:20 Speaker_00
Well this made sure that Candace Aria never came into contact with the people who were supposedly treating Cecilia Cecilia also insisted that she be the one to buy all of her prescription drugs. I know the good ones I know them by taste

00:16:41 Speaker_00
But that was because she was buying them recreationally and illegally through a contact at her local pharmacy. But what's insane about all this is that Rhea and Candace chose to ignore the lavish purchases Cecilia was making.

00:16:54 Speaker_00
She bought a couple of four wheelers, bought a PlayStation 3 and a healthy library of games.

00:17:00 Speaker_07
Can I ask what is the thing with cult leaders and four wheelers? Four-wheelers, dune buggies, ATVs of all kinds. Because they don't have driver's licenses.

00:17:08 Speaker_00
That's very true. It's about the freedom, bro. That's what I'm saying. It's the freest car.

00:17:13 Speaker_05
Yeah, because you don't need a top. Yeah, you gotta get the wind in your spiky hair. My five spikes.

00:17:20 Speaker_00
In addition, Cecilia was known to run up quite the tab at her local bar. She liked going to a place called the Limelight Pub and Grill.

00:17:27 Speaker_07
That's how she learned, and this is true, how to be amongst normal people.

00:17:31 Speaker_00
Oh, dang it. And by the way, it's lime. It's L-I-M-E. It's a bit of a pun. Oh, see?

00:17:37 Speaker_05
That's very nice. That's probably where she met the drug dealers.

00:17:40 Speaker_00
Quite possibly. Oh, sure! Yeah. Now, Cecilia instinctively knew that no one was going to stick around if she didn't keep raising the stakes.

00:17:48 Speaker_00
So she began saying that there had been a spiritual perimeter cast in the area around her apartment by her father, the diabolical Mr. Brown.

00:17:58 Speaker_09
Yes!

00:17:59 Speaker_10
You will never leave Satan's jurisdiction, which goes from 3rd West 9th Street to all the way to 9 West. 12th Street!

00:18:11 Speaker_09
The devil has a three-block kingdom! Let me not be unsullied by the power of Christ!

00:18:19 Speaker_07
She also said, in more serious tones, this is also the time period where she would flippantly say that Mr. Brand would occupy the soul of her husband to rape her in the night, and her father, her soul, would jump into the night, and that's the reason why, but then when he would wake up, he would know idea that he did it, and everyone woke up having no idea that it happened, and she would say this, and eventually they'd go, oh man, that is bad, and then they'd just all move on.

00:18:46 Speaker_07
Like, it's so weird, the matter-of-factness. I think it's when you start off by telling people that you're a werewolf, I really mean this, like, it does make everything else seem like, well, okay.

00:18:56 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, Cecilia worked across the border set by her Satanist father, which conveniently ended right outside of the mall and her favorite bar. Hey, that's what I mean!

00:19:07 Speaker_07
He can't, Satan knows.

00:19:10 Speaker_00
If she crossed these borders, she would immediately drop dead from a death curse. Alternatively, Cecilia would also say that if she crossed the fiendish Mr. Brand's boundaries, she would be set upon by an army of satanic snakes. Yes!

00:19:24 Speaker_10
The best part about satanic snakes is they have mouths at the front and the back! Yes, they bite you equal opportunity, whether you're in the front or the back. Most diabolical, you never know! It looks almost like spaghetti, you would think at first.

00:19:38 Speaker_10
The ultimate interception. And they're always angry because they cannot defecate! They cannot shit! Filled with shit! Lumps of it! Hard rocks of snake shit!

00:19:50 Speaker_07
No stabbing. Cut to her father who's still just barbecuing. You know, like she hated roller coasters. I know that much, so I should have known that not to trust her.

00:20:03 Speaker_05
If you see her, say hi.

00:20:06 Speaker_00
As such, Cecilia would spend a lot of time in her apartment concocting so-called antidotes for snake bites, just in case the nefarious Mr. Brand decided to unleash his demonic snakes just because he felt like it.

00:20:19 Speaker_00
The Death Curse borders, however, would change arbitrarily, and Cecilia would often cross without consequence if she felt like it.

00:20:26 Speaker_00
If someone pointed this out, Cecilia would say that the atrocious Mr. Brand was capable of changing the borders at will just to taunt her.

00:20:34 Speaker_07
Just to taunt her, just so that she could go to the... Roto-Rooters? Because then Satan's again, not that bad. That kind of shows that Satan's kind of lenient. But also sometimes, they'd say, you know, we passed the borders.

00:20:47 Speaker_07
And what she'd do is, which is amazing, she'd go, oh my god. I cannot express to you guys. I cannot express to you guys that this is literally what she did. And she had these people. And then everyone just believed her. Yeah. They're so fucking stupid.

00:21:08 Speaker_07
And gullible. Gullible. Candace, I've been listening to hours of your podcast. I hope you listen to our show. I love you, Candace, and I support you. You need an editor. You need an engineer. You need somebody to come in there to your podcast and fix it.

00:21:25 Speaker_07
Please, we'll put it out on LPN. No, no, no. I want her at the house. I'm inviting her into Marcus's house. I'll give you her personal address.

00:21:33 Speaker_07
I need you to come here and I'll talk with you about this, but it's the true most hidden esoteric knowledge because it is so boring that it takes hours to pour through to get anything that is remotely good in the story. But now I got it, right?

00:21:46 Speaker_07
Which is just remembering that I was like, when you hear Candace talk,

00:21:51 Speaker_04
She was so like, you know, and then when she told us that she was the werewolf and we all sat we were very worried, very worried that she was she was going to do and then she'd go into the other room and come out and these horrid things would have grown and she'd go rarararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararararar

00:22:18 Speaker_00
We just got us so afraid she would literally just put vampire teeth in her mouth in the other room Yeah, and they'd run away before anything else had to happen and then she'd go into this other stuff and then Yeah, well it just really goes to show you what people will believe when their entire worldview is shattered I mean this is this is like I mean apartheid was I mean it was you really can't express how horrible it was

00:22:44 Speaker_07
20 years ago at this point, but I will it does affect the entire vibe of the country obviously it affects people across the board, but it's still just like I don't blame Apartheid, honestly, I'm sorry, when it comes to werewolves.

00:22:59 Speaker_07
It's just like, where within the tenets of Apartheid does it say that werewolves get an extra vote? If that was a part of it, honestly, this would be huge. It would be huge. If Apartheid said that werewolves were also real, that would be amazing.

00:23:14 Speaker_00
I mean, really, if you look at it, it took eight years after Obama was elected for QAnon to even begin, you know, because it began with Pizzagate.

00:23:23 Speaker_00
It began with, you know, the spirit, spirit cooking and all that shit, you know, from the Podesta emails and all that. So it was, you know, these things take a long time to bubble.

00:23:34 Speaker_00
And it's and at this point, you know, like it's still like the world that they knew when they were children is no longer the world that they exist within.

00:23:42 Speaker_00
And the people that are too young to remember any of that are being told By those that are older than them like this country used to be safe. It used to be fine until the Satanists came Yeah, you know, it's all blamed on the Satanists.

00:23:55 Speaker_08
What about the werewolves? Were they the first ones in Africa?

00:24:04 Speaker_00
Well, she's a 42nd generation werewolf, so actually the werewolf came from Egypt. Because that's where her richline generation started. Yes!

00:24:12 Speaker_09
Oh my fucking god, yes! That's right! It was Egypt! That's where the first werewolf eggs came from! Oh, I'm a fucking idiot! I fucking hate cats!

00:24:24 Speaker_05
I wanna see some were-prairie dogs, that'd be fun. I'll show you a were-prairie dog, it's right here in my fucking pants, that's were.

00:24:31 Speaker_05
But it's like that thing where it's like people are so much more ready to believe something that's completely insane than anything logical.

00:24:38 Speaker_07
It's almost like believing in a completely literal version of Jesus and God. Yes. So it seems to all kind of go hand in hand.

00:24:45 Speaker_00
Fly from your grave. Now you'd think that all this would be a matter for the police, because after all, South Africa did have the Occult Related Crimes Unit. Technically, they were trained for this.

00:24:56 Speaker_00
Oh yeah, and the government's telling you this shit's as real as fucking can be arrested. But Cecilia insisted that the infernal Mr. Brand was in league with law enforcement, and any information given to them... I created the seatbelt laws!

00:25:11 Speaker_09
Yeah!

00:25:11 Speaker_10
The most devilish of all the lords! How dare you be safe!

00:25:16 Speaker_09
Sixty dollars a time!

00:25:17 Speaker_10
You thought it was Ralph Nader, but he is truly my puppet! My evil man! My bride! Ralph Nader! How well he suckles upon my satanic balls!

00:25:33 Speaker_00
But any information given to the cops would, of course, harm Cecilia. There was, however, another reason for not going to the cops. Remember that Cecilia's husband was a police officer.

00:25:41 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, that guy! Yeah, the guy who's chipped out! The guy on the couch. And out of what's happening, like it's literally this guy's entire role in this whole thing. Him going, huh, you guys having a good night? Huh, you watching The Wolfman again, huh?

00:25:56 Speaker_07
Alright, I gotta go. Yeah, I'm gonna order pizza. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to my gay lover, because apparently he was gay. Oh, really? According to Candace. Well, that's... I don't know about that.

00:26:05 Speaker_00
I mean, Candace is... I don't know how much to trust Candace.

00:26:09 Speaker_04
Candace... She's like, There's so many things that you just don't understand. The horrid things she showed us all. We were all forced to watch the worst film I've ever seen. It's all these ghosts in a prison in a one with the breasts out.

00:26:24 Speaker_05
13 goes God damn. I just watched that movie.

00:26:29 Speaker_04
It's Scariest films ever I couldn't believe they'd have all in one house so many girls How'd you click rent?

00:26:42 Speaker_00
Well, I'd imagine the reason why Cecilia didn't want anyone going to the cops, because I would imagine she didn't want her husband involved in her scam.

00:26:49 Speaker_00
But, as we'll see later, anytime Cecilia and or her followers started feeling any heat, the investigation would mysteriously stop.

00:26:56 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:26:57 Speaker_00
Now, Rhea Grunewald's bond with Cecilia was affecting the rest of her relationships in the Christian community.

00:27:03 Speaker_00
The Lighthouse Full Gospel Church broke contact, followed by other churches and police departments who'd once trusted Rhea as a Satan hunter. Likewise, people stopped booking her enrichment weeks.

00:27:15 Speaker_00
Rhea blamed all of these severed relationships on the machinations of the satanic church.

00:27:21 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, that's the only reason why we're not in the top 10 iTunes right now.

00:27:23 Speaker_07
That's all they do, man, has come for us, especially because this is not the satanic church, it's the Christian church that's masking themselves as the satanic church, as we know that's what's happening inside of the TST.

00:27:34 Speaker_07
They've been flipped from the inside by Christian ideologues in order to turn themselves into a religion.

00:27:39 Speaker_05
Maybe we should change the genre of this podcast to religious.

00:27:43 Speaker_10
Oh, I think that's a good way to get some new clientele.

00:27:46 Speaker_00
Well, Cecilia only encouraged this belief that the Satanists were behind everything, because with every broken bond, Rhea had more time and energy to spend with Cecilia.

00:27:56 Speaker_00
To make herself even more of a handful, Cecilia claimed that she suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder, DID, more commonly known as Multiple Personality Disorder.

00:28:07 Speaker_07
Just know, now hear this, so it starts with contacting Rhea, saying that you are this 42nd generation, most powerful, rich in all of Africa, you are being saved every night from all of these satanic attacks and you're this victim.

00:28:25 Speaker_07
Then it begins the health problems. You have all these things going on.

00:28:28 Speaker_07
You could see it, kind of, the group, the way it would get together, they would all get together and help her on the high nights, and then it would slowly devolve into them just kind of hanging out, like, kind of just being a friend group.

00:28:39 Speaker_07
That used to make Rhea angry, because Rhea was like, this is serious, we need to really focus on this. Eventually, that got to be sort of like, well, how many times is this going to happen for how long? Like, naturally, people get tired of the story.

00:28:52 Speaker_07
So then the physical stuff started. And then that becomes a new thing. You need to pay for me and do these things for me because I'm physically unable because of the previous attacks. Then it just gets worse. Then she adds the next angle.

00:29:03 Speaker_07
Like, that's what's hard is that she didn't arrive with DID in front of all these people.

00:29:08 Speaker_00
No.

00:29:09 Speaker_07
That sprung up on him.

00:29:11 Speaker_00
Yeah. About a year in. Well amongst a hundred other personalities, there was Xena. She had a foul mouth.

00:29:17 Speaker_06
I'm a bit of a cunt, but some people say I'm a bitch!

00:29:22 Speaker_00
You also had Akisha, the dangerous and argumentative leader of a thousand lesser demons.

00:29:28 Speaker_07
Don't you tell me how to raise my baby.

00:29:31 Speaker_00
There was also Linda, the master chef, who, quite appropriately for her profession, had quite the cocaine habit.

00:29:38 Speaker_07
Oh my god, I can't believe I was gonna think about it. We're gonna put it in a new hot tub and then we were gonna go out there and I was gonna start a new sewing group in the ceiling.

00:29:45 Speaker_07
And we went up there and it was me, it was me, and I started with two squirrels. And then I went, I met the, me and the mailman, we were talking about for you, oh, we need to open up a barbecue restaurant.

00:29:54 Speaker_05
Mom, we should get your mom some cocaine.

00:29:56 Speaker_00
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Linda was only one of a long list of experts, which included a doctor, a psychiatrist, an engineer, a lawyer, and an IT specialist. Man, that's super, fucking super convenient, that.

00:30:10 Speaker_00
You also had Daphne, who spoke English and drank tea, possibly named after the Frasier character.

00:30:15 Speaker_05
Absolutely. That's a fucking copyright infringement. That's one of the three TV shows they got over there.

00:30:21 Speaker_00
Then there was Anya, the nervous three-year-old who loved to play and color. Anya was surprisingly useful, because when Cecilia wanted to get back at someone, she could say that the person who displeased her had molested Anya.

00:30:34 Speaker_07
But it was Cecilia when she was Anya, so they were only a child molester when they were touching her as Anya, and they were only attracted to her when she was Anya. Which is weird, because I've never had that. I've played thousands of little boys.

00:30:46 Speaker_07
And I've never been approached by a molester saying, play that little boy again like you did. Was Mikey Schatz considered a little boy?

00:30:54 Speaker_05
Oh, very much so. Mentally, but he was grown up. He was, yeah, physically very large.

00:31:00 Speaker_07
Physically very, very large. Now, again, DID is one of the most subtle, weird, it's like a thing that it's very difficult to talk about.

00:31:07 Speaker_00
It's extremely rare. Some argue that there are many people that say they've never seen it once in their entire career.

00:31:15 Speaker_07
Let's just say that the jury's out on DID. We're not quite certain what's going on with it. But this lady used to do full-on Exactly as you think. Each one's a different character.

00:31:29 Speaker_07
Anya, she would poop in her pants and fall down and go like, me want a chocolate shake from the store. She would do this stuff and then they'd all scurry to go do stuff for her.

00:31:39 Speaker_07
Because what Candace kept saying, which I find interesting, she was like, cause who in their right mind would make up something like this? And it's like, somebody that is playing all of you morons like a bunch of fiddles, sadly.

00:31:55 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's like if M. Night Shyamalan's split was called shit.

00:32:00 Speaker_07
Some people did say that. To those reviewers, I say you're incorrect. That movie's awful. I liked it.

00:32:05 Speaker_00
Now, it is probable that Cecilia had done her homework concerning satanic ritual abuse because her whole story, including the multiple personalities, sounds very similar to the discredited 1980 book, Michelle Remembers.

00:32:18 Speaker_07
She rips everything off.

00:32:19 Speaker_00
Yeah, that was a kickoff point for the satanic panic in America. In Michelle Remembers, a psychiatrist used hypnosis on a woman that, by the way, he later married. That's the best psychiatrist of all.

00:32:31 Speaker_07
He made his patient into the exact type of woman he wants to fuck.

00:32:35 Speaker_00
And he uncovered so-called repressed memories, that's also a discredited concept, of satanic ritual abuse that had been inflicted upon Michelle by her father.

00:32:45 Speaker_00
Michelle claimed that starting at the age of five, she was ritualistically tortured through sexual abuse, imprisonment in cages, the witnessing of human sacrifices, and enduring rituals in which the blood and body parts of sacrificed babies and adults would be rubbed on her body.

00:33:01 Speaker_07
Always getting rubbed the worst kind of lotion Doesn't do anything.

00:33:07 Speaker_05
I've tried well the blood you know they put that in certain facials the treatments your blood though Yeah, yeah, that's not gonna be good. Mine's all filled liquor You just get drunk again this officer We know

00:33:27 Speaker_00
Now, Michelle Remembers has been discredited a dozen times over for a multitude of reasons. Keeps popping back up, though.

00:33:33 Speaker_00
But it seems like Cecilia may have read it and taken notes, because multiple personality disorder features heavily in Michelle's story.

00:33:40 Speaker_00
In an echo of what Michelle Remembers claimed, Cecilia said that the satanic ritual abuse that she suffered as a child caused her personality to shatter into a hundred different identities so she could escape the trauma of what happened to her.

00:33:55 Speaker_00
Conveniently, though, each of these hundreds of individual personalities were susceptible to their own personal demons, literal demons, which made Cecilia even more high maintenance because she needed a hundred times more attention.

00:34:09 Speaker_07
Yeah, it's the freelancing gig that just keeps giving for Christ. And it's very difficult because they are already taking all these things seriously. So at this point, you're just seeing DLC. That's what this is.

00:34:22 Speaker_05
This is the DLC to the main game.

00:34:24 Speaker_07
The patience these people have.

00:34:27 Speaker_09
Oh my god.

00:34:27 Speaker_07
You say patience. You see, this is what I find interesting because I don't think it's patience. I think it's ego. I think that there's There's a hidden ego in some of these people. We're saving this woman.

00:34:38 Speaker_05
We're doing this.

00:34:39 Speaker_07
We are the only ones capable. We're the ones that are standing between society and the devil. And they are just little old ladies, just normal church people.

00:34:50 Speaker_00
There's also a fair amount of people in their 20s too.

00:34:52 Speaker_07
Oh yes, but they believe wholeheartedly they are in a one-on-one Match versus the devil himself.

00:34:59 Speaker_01
Mm-hmm.

00:35:00 Speaker_07
And guess what if that was true, they'd fucking loose. Okay I'm sick of these fuckers. You think the Saints could be put down that easily?

00:35:07 Speaker_07
I'm just so angry Yeah, and that idea that you would even be could think that you guys it all just get together and just fucking with your dumpy-ass Capri pants You think you're gonna fucking shut down the devil? Yeah, the Pope can't

00:35:21 Speaker_05
No it can't! That's the whole point! Yeah man, if the devil's after you, you gotta go where it isn't. Sausalito. Why is he in Sausalito? It's beautiful, have you ever been? I know, but the devil would love to go, that's where vacation is!

00:35:35 Speaker_00
Well, Cecilia said that her multiple personalities were a result of her occult programming, which started when her father, the villainous Mr. Brand, buried her alive in a coffin with a small pipe sticking out of the ground for air.

00:35:48 Speaker_00
She also claimed that he tied her up with the dogs and made her live like a dog for three weeks. Honestly, I could live like Cartman for three weeks. Oh, yeah. She does get quite taken care of.

00:35:58 Speaker_07
Get the little blanket set out. That's actually kind of nice. You know, he puts it out being like, you see, I made chicken.

00:36:04 Speaker_08
Oh, looks like my little puppy wants some chicken as well.

00:36:08 Speaker_07
They take her to the spa. Carmen goes to the spa. Carmen gets all that she can take care of.

00:36:13 Speaker_05
She's a lucky little girl. I could live like Rambo for a little while. Oh yeah, get carried. Stop walking. Oh yeah, that'd be great.

00:36:20 Speaker_00
Now, as far as Cecilia's so-called biological mother went, the satanic witch, Elise, Cecilia said that she had control over her hundreds of personalities, which helped keep them all in check. This, Cecilia said, was Elise's maternal right.

00:36:35 Speaker_00
But out of the blue one day, Cecilia told Rhea that the satanic church had decided to ritually sacrifice her witch mother, Elise, because they really wanted to sacrifice Cecilia, but couldn't get to her for some reason.

00:36:47 Speaker_00
So they were going to sacrifice her mother in her place.

00:36:49 Speaker_07
This is like what's going on in Ukraine. It's proxy war. But nothing, Elyse is fine. Well, Elyse doesn't exist. No, Elyse is not real, never was.

00:37:01 Speaker_00
Remember she showed the picture of the woman from Blade and said this is Elyse? Yeah, Elyse doesn't exist at all.

00:37:08 Speaker_05
Ever. That's right, that's right. And her actual mother.

00:37:10 Speaker_07
Barbecue a lady. Yeah, literally cuts back to the two of them. He's on the gutter She's making a quilt just being like oh she always had such a colorful imagination.

00:37:20 Speaker_07
This is her favorite color blood-red She always said that we were the devil's parents, and I always thought it was just a slang term By the way, tell her we say hi

00:37:34 Speaker_00
She coming home for Christmas?

00:37:37 Speaker_00
Now while the so-called execution was taking place, burnt at the stake by the way, Cecilia writhed on the floor while crying and convulsing because she said that her soul had astral traveled to witness Elise's execution.

00:37:49 Speaker_00
This gave Cecilia's story a little dramatic give and take because she could then say that she should have never left the church, which required Rhea to console her and tell her that, no, no, no, you did the right thing by coming to me and I can save you.

00:38:03 Speaker_00
Yeah, because Rhea's like, This is all he has the biggest fucking God complex.

00:38:07 Speaker_07
It's a biggest Savior complex of any person I've ever come across I know that she was heavily embarrassed and she does actually view herself as the Truly like the source of all of the problems here.

00:38:18 Speaker_07
She and she was like betrayed by all of these people, but Rhea really Didn't help. No.

00:38:25 Speaker_07
Rhea really went in there and at her beck and call, she made her feel exactly fine and correct about all of her decisions and put aside her entire life to help Cecilia.

00:38:35 Speaker_07
And I do believe the reason why is because she thought at the end she'd get a big old book out of it.

00:38:39 Speaker_07
I think that she thought that she'd looked at Sybil and she looked at these other things and I'm pretty certain she viewed herself as like the other big Christian celebrities that were coming out about at that like earlier but she would be one of them where she would be almost like like like I'm trying to think of like an Ed and Lorraine Warren style yeah yes but for Christ yeah

00:39:01 Speaker_00
It seems, however, that the ultimate goal here, when, you know, when it comes to killing off the mother and saying that, you know, all of the maternal rights over all of Cecilia's personalities have now been given to Rhea, it seems like this is like a transfer of a little authority to Rhea.

00:39:17 Speaker_00
Because it seems like Cecilia was very aware of the need to give Rhea just a little bit of power. She knows how to play each person in this circle. She knew that Rhea needed to have the tiniest bit of control over what was happening here.

00:39:30 Speaker_00
So Cecilia's like, okay, you can have this over me. But the thing is that she's not giving her any control at all, because she's just giving her control over something that doesn't exist.

00:39:39 Speaker_00
Cecilia told Rhea that when a satanic witch is sacrificed, she is able to bequeath her powers to someone else, and Elise had given Rhea matriarchal rights over Cecilia's multiple personalities.

00:39:51 Speaker_00
After that, all of Cecilia's personalities would call Rhea Mama, and Rhea had a bit of control.

00:39:57 Speaker_07
And she loved it. She just loved this feeling, like they all like, this is, you gotta be careful about setting yourself up for They asked for it and it came. They wanted a witch to come that they could fix and it came. Yeah.

00:40:15 Speaker_07
And this is the problem is that it it completes the cycle of their own delusion.

00:40:20 Speaker_00
Yeah. But it's yeah that's the problem is that the person who shows up is going to be fucked up and extremely chaotic.

00:40:25 Speaker_07
And because they're also, because you're asking for a certain parameter of thing, that con person can then completely fit their personality to fit whatever it is that you're talking about.

00:40:36 Speaker_07
Like, this is, I know that most of our listeners are not into this area of belief. So that's what's hard to believe.

00:40:44 Speaker_07
All of this, especially like when we're listening to Candace, because she's always like, it's the details that Cecilia would use that would convince her that it was real. And,

00:40:54 Speaker_05
every one of the details was from a 1980s horror movie they were not even made up by her she was making shit up man and it's just like if she tried this shit like 10 years earlier even in africa they would have just killed her they would have just

00:41:12 Speaker_07
She waited. That's why I also feel like in a way it works, because it's now we're in this quote-unquote healing time.

00:41:19 Speaker_00
Well everything that Rhea was doing for Cecilia, especially financially, eventually caught up with her. Rhea lost her apartment in Florida, the town. The town, yeah.

00:41:28 Speaker_00
and had to move in with the aforementioned school teacher, Mirinda Stain, in Krugersdorp.

00:41:34 Speaker_00
If you'll remember, Mirinda had experienced a spiritual awakening at one of Rhea's enrichment weeks, and had, in the time since, become one of the most ardent believers in Cecilia's tales of Satanism.

00:41:46 Speaker_00
Now, Mirinda had already been married and divorced twice by the time she joined Overcomers Through Christ, and had come out of her marriages with a girl named Marcelle and a boy named LaRue.

00:41:57 Speaker_00
They were both children when Rhea Grunewald and Cecilia Stane, no relation, came stomping into their lives.

00:42:12 Speaker_07
Leroux! Leroux! Take this man away. Like that's like, that's great. I can see him with like a slanted hat. I can see him in it. Sure thing boss. I'll take her down. You want me to take her down to the basement there boss?

00:42:26 Speaker_05
He pushes his bowler hat forward.

00:42:30 Speaker_07
Oh yeah. I'll take her boss. You want to go down to the swamp down?

00:42:36 Speaker_00
Now, as far as Cecilia's children went, she'd been pregnant with her second child when she met Rhea.

00:42:41 Speaker_00
And in January of 2008, Cecilia gave birth, bragging that her child was descended from the werewolf bloodline of the satanic church and would eventually be taught to walk on all fours and eat from a bowl like a dog.

00:42:54 Speaker_07
This is completely real. So she said to get her used to the wolf slash dog lifestyle that she's got to get used to, which is first of all, you have to go. But that's werewolf lifestyle. That's how you know when you meet another werewolf, wolf life.

00:43:08 Speaker_07
Roar, roar. My protein's low. Roar, roar.

00:43:13 Speaker_05
It's hard to cross your paw pads like that.

00:43:15 Speaker_07
It is. It's so hard, I always get my little in the middles. It's the middles of her. But she used to, because when her protein low, she turned into a werewolf.

00:43:24 Speaker_07
So whenever her protein was low, they had to run out and get her meat, like jerky or whatever, so that she would then not turn into a werewolf. Doesn't really make sense. I don't mean to poke holes.

00:43:33 Speaker_00
I guess maybe she, that's the thing, is that if her protein was low, she would become a werewolf so she would be forced to go get protein. There's a logic behind all of this.

00:43:43 Speaker_05
Sort of. And also making your kid walk on all fours and eat out of a bowl on the ground, that's bad.

00:43:52 Speaker_07
Do you want to talk about like where they got their werewolf ideas from This is this is the part of me that this is when I literally almost threw my iPhone across the room as I was listening to the show and Candace does this big roll-up where she's like

00:44:14 Speaker_04
So soon after her child was born, she showed us one of the most terrifying movies we had seen up until that point. She'd shown us hundreds of horror films and I hated each one.

00:44:27 Speaker_04
But this was the worst because she said, I want to show you the only time that Hollywood is allowed a real werewolf transformation to be filmed with one of their sacred members of the occult.

00:44:43 Speaker_07
The lead actor is a member of the occult and he is himself a werewolf. And this is exactly what she goes through when she goes into the other bedroom to change into her werewolf status at night.

00:44:56 Speaker_04
She sat down and she showed us, I shudder even thinking about it to this day. It was the 2010 film, The Wolfman with Benicio del Toro.

00:45:09 Speaker_07
And that movie to this day makes me shudder if I see the cover of it. And when she said that, I was like, what? This is what? And she says, yes, that that was in her. Cecilia was like, right here.

00:45:29 Speaker_07
This is the first time everyone's ever filmed my transformation. And it's happening right now. And that Benicio Del Toro's a werewolf. And they all sat and watched it together, and they all cried.

00:45:40 Speaker_07
They all cried in fear, being like, you go through this each time? And she's like, each time. Each time I do this.

00:45:48 Speaker_05
Do you think they watched the whole movie? Because it's awful.

00:45:53 Speaker_07
The worst Wolfman movie ever made. I guess that's also what makes it infuriating. This is Halloween. This is the Halloween time. It's 31 for 31. I wouldn't even think of putting the Benicio Del Toro Wolfman on a single 31 for 31.

00:46:06 Speaker_07
Why in the living fuck would you waste your time like that? Why did they make the film? Yeah, use an American werewolf in London. There are so many other ones. Gendersnaps. Even wolf in fucking Silver Bullet. I'd say even the Jack- Wolf. The howling.

00:46:23 Speaker_07
There's so many others! I just get angry thinking about it because I love the Wolfman.

00:46:28 Speaker_00
She would show them like an endless amount of horror movies and tell them like these are coded. Hollywood, it's the same shit that they say now. Hollywood is showing you what they really do. They're taunting you with what they really do.

00:46:45 Speaker_00
So they'd watch horror movies and think they were fucking real. And guess what ladies and gentlemen? It's true. So Henry, you think you're ever gonna get in one of those?

00:47:00 Speaker_05
A horror movie? Yeah. You know, someone actually reached out to me this weekend and asked me if you'd be willing to do their horror movie for free.

00:47:12 Speaker_00
Something else directed by Jeremy Gardner, so I was in one horror film Uh-huh, and did you get any of that like Hollywood like feeling from you know the Satanism we shot him for

00:47:23 Speaker_05
I was in a trauma movie.

00:47:24 Speaker_00
So was I. I was actually in a trauma movie too.

00:47:26 Speaker_07
Yeah, you were in Shakespeare's Shitstorm.

00:47:28 Speaker_00
I was.

00:47:29 Speaker_07
Same as well. I was also, well I was in the other one. I was in Return to Newcomb High too. That's cool. Return to Return. Return to Return to Newcomb High.

00:47:35 Speaker_00
My wife is also in it. Caroline was also in Return to Newcomb High too. Yeah.

00:47:38 Speaker_07
Wow. Yeah. She kept her clothes on.

00:47:40 Speaker_00
Yes she did.

00:47:41 Speaker_07
That's respectable.

00:47:44 Speaker_00
Well, in reality, Cecilia barely interacted with her children at all. She never played with them and mostly bought them toys and candy to get her to leave her alone so she could cosplay as a Satanist.

00:47:55 Speaker_07
It's just, it cannot be expressed enough that she was just like a white trash. That's the only way to really describe her. In the center of all this, she really is just this piece of shit. Bad parent. Blump. Mooch. On all of these people.

00:48:10 Speaker_07
She is, I would say, honestly, close to worst roommate of all time. Jerry Brunos is maybe the top one.

00:48:19 Speaker_00
Worst roommate of all time. Dennis Nilsen's going to be pretty bad. Yeah, pretty bad. Jeffrey Dahmer's going to be real bad. Real bad.

00:48:25 Speaker_07
He had a roommate? No.

00:48:26 Speaker_09
I'm just saying if.

00:48:27 Speaker_07
Yeah, I'm just trying to think who's the worst, who had roommates. Because she had roommates.

00:48:33 Speaker_00
Yes.

00:48:33 Speaker_07
She did, I thought. They're all living together.

00:48:36 Speaker_00
We'll get to that here in a second. Okay, okay. But that cosplaying was about to truly get out of hand, and it would take the combined efforts of Cecilia, Rhea, and the school teacher Mirinda Stane to take this mess to the next level.

00:48:49 Speaker_00
Together, the three of them developed a training course as a sort of spin-off from Overcomers Through Christ.

00:48:56 Speaker_00
This course, which was an even more fundamentalist version of the occult training courses Rhea had been doing with her enrichment weeks, was called Know Your Enemy.

00:49:05 Speaker_00
made up mostly of what Cecilia had told Rhea about the supposed inner workings of the Satanic Church, Know Your Enemy was supplemented with verses from the Satanic Bible, a copy of which Cecilia just happened to own.

00:49:17 Speaker_07
Which you can buy on Amazon! It's not a forbidden tome, you can just buy it.

00:49:23 Speaker_00
Yeah, and it's not an evil, it's not a particularly evil book either.

00:49:26 Speaker_07
It's secular humanism mixed with edgelord humor.

00:49:29 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, the course was also informed by Cecilia's encyclopedic knowledge of serial killers like Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy, and of course, David Berkowitz.

00:49:38 Speaker_00
And Berkowitz, of course, has been connected to all sorts of satanic activity, thanks to conspiracy theorist Maury Terry. The Ultimate Evil, absolutely.

00:49:49 Speaker_07
I'm more than certain she read that book. Just remember that each one of these, because it's later on, each one of them has been helped.

00:49:57 Speaker_00
Each one of these pieces of material helped Cecilia do this. While developing the Know Your Enemy course, Ria spent most of her days with Cecilia, and eventually Ria moved into Cecilia's apartment.

00:50:09 Speaker_00
Ria slept in the main bedroom, again, giving her a little bit of power, while Cecilia slept in one of her kids' beds. But Cecilia's husband just slept in the guest bedroom, stayed the fuck out of it.

00:50:20 Speaker_07
That man is the power of a man to ignore things. I just cannot state just how deeply powerful that is. How a man doesn't have to engage, and he will- the whole apartment gonna burn down.

00:50:35 Speaker_05
This is my space.

00:50:37 Speaker_07
There's a cube. A man can build a cube around their head in which nothing enters.

00:50:44 Speaker_05
It's incredible. Later tonight, I will put the dishes outside the door. You will grab them.

00:50:52 Speaker_00
Now the first Know Your Enemy seminars were held in Kruger's Dorp within the boundaries that Cecilia said were set by the malicious Mr. Brand.

00:51:00 Speaker_04
Whose house is it? God's house!

00:51:04 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's how it always started, you know. Well, at first, each one attracted about 25 people. And eventually, the Know Your Enemy course grew to become 13 weeks long, with weekly meetings lasting two hours each.

00:51:18 Speaker_00
But to attract the rubes, Know Your Enemy had to start off with a bang.

00:51:23 Speaker_00
In the first presentation, in which Cecilia was going to give all her inside knowledge as a former Satanist, she feigned an attack from Satanic forces, and had to be escorted offstage by Miranda. It's like James Brown.

00:51:34 Speaker_07
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come throw the fucking, like, cape over, being like, what's wrong? What's wrong?

00:51:40 Speaker_00
But, since Know Your Enemy was short on funds in the beginning because Cecilia was such a financial drain on Rhea, they held their meetings at any place that wouldn't charge them money, including, bafflingly, AA meetings.

00:51:52 Speaker_07
Dude, no man, trapping right on there, man. I will say, though, I feel like once you do the AA meeting and then you go to Know Your Enemy meeting, I feel like you're gonna want a drink. Yeah.

00:52:02 Speaker_07
Because if you're fighting the devil, you gotta be kind of half-sauced. Yeah, a little bit.

00:52:05 Speaker_05
Most of Cecilia took care of that herself.

00:52:07 Speaker_07
Oh, yeah, but I don't think fighting the devil is a fucking force over people. Most good priests, they gotta get a little tipple in them.

00:52:15 Speaker_00
Yeah, in all those movies, yeah, the priest always does bring up a little flask and takes a little hit before he goes in.

00:52:21 Speaker_07
You got to, man. You gotta get loosened up. Devil's fucking tricky, man. Yeah.

00:52:26 Speaker_05
Old Father McNally needs his go-go juice. That's what I say to myself.

00:52:34 Speaker_00
But when Know Your Enemy began receiving a fair amount of donations from the Kruger's Dorp fundamentalists, Ria was able to get her own apartment again, although it was still just 200 meters from Cecilia's apartment.

00:52:51 Speaker_00
Now obviously everything Cecilia told Rhea, it's wildly fascinating, even knowing that it's fake. But to the people who thought it was real, the information imparted during Know Your Enemy meetings was confirmation of everything they'd feared.

00:53:06 Speaker_00
And since Cecilia was telling a damn good story, Know Your Enemy quickly grew in size.

00:53:11 Speaker_07
It's kind of like a hate rally or like a Trump rally where you go because it feels good to go hate on a bunch of things because, you know like this, it's on offense. You're going against the devil. So like, that's very inspiring.

00:53:26 Speaker_07
Like you go and it gives you something to do. It makes you feel like you're a part of an army.

00:53:30 Speaker_00
Well you get to also, that's the thing, you get to hate something and you get to- That's bad. Well that's the thing, you get to ignore the rest of your life. Of course. Like, you know, I can't go to the gym today, I gotta Go fight Satan. Fight the devil.

00:53:41 Speaker_00
The devil's out there.

00:53:43 Speaker_08
He's not on the treadmill. Yes, he is.

00:53:46 Speaker_07
Yes, he is. We know that. We know that. As bigger boys, we know for a fact that the devil is in that chocolate cake.

00:53:56 Speaker_00
Once people really started showing up, Rhea began putting together a comprehensive training manual on how to resist satanic forces. Rhea, however, felt that Cecilia was more qualified to write it, so she passed the work on to her.

00:54:08 Speaker_07
This fucking bitch, because she thinks that legitimately, she thinks that she's in control. Rhea thinks she's in control, but at the same time, then you think that you could just off-source your work.

00:54:19 Speaker_00
Lots of things. Not surprisingly, Cecilia didn't feel like doing it, so she passed on the work to Candace.

00:54:25 Speaker_00
As a result, most of the information in the Know Your Enemy training manuals came from Candace copying and pasting information about resisting Satanic forces that had already been posted on the internet.

00:54:36 Speaker_04
And everybody knows that the devil doesn't like Subway's tuna sandwiches. The baddest, the worst sandwiches, and we all know that.

00:54:44 Speaker_07
And we also know that the devil, not she, but the devil hates when they're late for their massages, so you better get her to their massages as fast as she needs to get there.

00:54:58 Speaker_04
And the devil hates werewolves. which I didn't know for a while. I thought that the werewolf and the devil would be on the same team, but then... Minute 46 of the podcast! HOURS of it!

00:55:16 Speaker_00
HOURS! What's so interesting about these courses, though, is that they weren't just attended by worrywart Christians. They also attracted wannabe Satanists who wanted to learn how to become one of these infamous satanic high priests

00:55:33 Speaker_00
Which didn't exist in the first place! Fuck yeah, dude!

00:55:37 Speaker_08
You're like, just making fucking all these dumbass golf teams and they're being like, it's awesome.

00:55:43 Speaker_05
Each time they say something, fuck yeah, dude. That was like me in dare class.

00:55:48 Speaker_00
So ironically Rio was actually helping to create the very thing she was trying to destroy Yeah, although I'm pretty sure that after attending these meetings these aspirant satanic high priest got bored and just moved on to something else the Anvert

00:56:15 Speaker_00
But out of all the people who came, there were some who stayed to become a more active part of the organization. And it was these people who would make up the murderous cult that Cecilia would soon command.

00:56:26 Speaker_00
The two main members were 25-year-old Zach Valentine and his 21-year-old future wife, Michaela. Now, Zach and Michaela were extra normal people when they joined Know Your Enemy, working respectively as an insurance broker and a travel agent.

00:56:40 Speaker_00
Cannot be stressed how fucking regular these people are.

00:56:43 Speaker_07
How can you, is there a term for being so boring that you can be weaponized? Like what is the term for being like, you're such a blank slate that you've just been waiting for someone to come and tell you to do something really fucked up.

00:56:59 Speaker_00
Well you're waiting for someone to come along and make you interesting.

00:57:02 Speaker_07
Well that's what all of this is. All of this is these guys all believing that. Like Snowtown, I'm really looking at the differences between the two, right?

00:57:11 Speaker_07
Where Snowtown was never an official cult, it was more of like a loose grouping, and a lot of it was done socially for various reasons, but it's hard to really even describe what went on in Snowtown, where like, something like this, these guys were all waiting for a purpose.

00:57:26 Speaker_07
And I guess the Snowtown people were also, in a way, they believed that they were waiting for a purpose.

00:57:31 Speaker_05
Of course, he's a travel agent.

00:57:33 Speaker_07
Who the fuck uses one of those? I actually feel like a travel agent has also got to be a job filled with jealousy. Because all you do is book people at your work.

00:57:44 Speaker_07
Like, they get to go to Cabo, and they get to go to Southern France, and they go to Little Edward Island. All these amazing places. They all take their big private planes from New York down to Little Edward Island.

00:57:56 Speaker_07
And some wonderful, incredible people like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump and Bill Nye the Science Guy and Reginald L. Johnson. And they're on the plane. And this wonderful guy named Jeff. And he's the funniest guy. He's always loose with the money.

00:58:11 Speaker_07
I like that guy.

00:58:15 Speaker_00
Well, just before Zack and Michaela got married in November of 2010, almost a year after they began attending Know Your Enemy courses, Rhea Grunewald suggested that before they bond their souls together, they should schedule a private appointment with Cecilia Stane to make sure they were both free from curses and demons.

00:58:34 Speaker_00
Yep. Coincidentally, Zach already knew Cecilia from a church they'd both attended in the past, which either didn't set off any alarm bells for the naive Zach Valentine, or it was explained away by Cecilia with a quick lie.

00:58:47 Speaker_07
Hey, last time I saw you, you were saying that the devil made you lactose intolerant.

00:58:52 Speaker_06
And she'd be like, yes, he was for a while, but now it just does my hair.

00:58:58 Speaker_00
But either way, Zach and Michaela Valentine were quickly brought into Cecilia's immediate sphere of influence. These two people are so fucking gullible.

00:59:08 Speaker_00
Now, after Know Your Enemy became a success, Ria wanted to expand it to include a more positive, but infinitely more boring course called Know Your Savior. Who cares? Honestly, it's boring! Jesus!

00:59:20 Speaker_01
Who cares? I know him!

00:59:21 Speaker_00
He's right there! She did not, however, consult with Cecilia before doing so, and this introduced the first crack in their relationship.

00:59:30 Speaker_00
Cecilia had been playing with Rhea for years by this point, and in order to fully manipulate her, she'd put tabs on her supposed protector. In addition to putting a tracking device on Ria's car, Cecilia had also gained access to Ria's email.

00:59:46 Speaker_00
These two tactics together allowed Cecilia to make the Satanic Church seem omnipotent.

00:59:51 Speaker_07
Well, one of the big factors that also doesn't come up in the book, I find that the book cut out stuff specifically because it made the story less believable, like even though it happened.

01:00:03 Speaker_07
Like the werewolf stuff got cut out largely and the astral projection stuff with Cecilia. Oh, that's just projection stuff.

01:00:11 Speaker_00
There's a fair amount of that in the book.

01:00:13 Speaker_07
But that's all, that's mostly Candace's proof that she had powers, was that she would be able to say things that other people knew while she was astral projecting, but it seemed to largely have to do with having tracking devices and reading people's emails.

01:00:28 Speaker_00
Yeah, and that was it.

01:00:30 Speaker_07
Makes you super psychic. It's pretty great.

01:00:33 Speaker_00
Rhea, however, wasn't the only person Cecilia played with. Cecilia began catfishing her friends. Dude, this is also wild. This is a whole side quest. Yeah, this is crazy. She catfished Candace, Miranda, and Miranda's two kids, LaRue and Marcel.

01:00:49 Speaker_00
She would use pictures of models, and these models would reach out to these people and claim that they were trapped in the satanic church and had no way out, lest both they and the person they were messaging with be killed.

01:01:01 Speaker_05
So these people just had no connection to the outside world at all?

01:01:04 Speaker_00
No. Their world is getting smaller and smaller all the time. Yes. Now as with most catfishes, all these fake personalities made excuses as to why they could never talk on the phone or meet in person.

01:01:16 Speaker_00
Usually by saying that satanic witches were trailing them and they couldn't risk blowing their cover by talking to Christians.

01:01:21 Speaker_07
And I can't make them know that I feel erotic feelings by kissing you in public, which is why we can only kiss in private.

01:01:28 Speaker_00
The most egregious catfish, however, involved the school teacher, Mirinda, who believed that she was dating a Satanist named John. Reluctant Satanist.

01:01:36 Speaker_00
After a few weeks of texting, Mirinda professed her love, and this fake relationship between Mirinda and Cecilia, posing as John, it continued for two fucking years.

01:01:47 Speaker_07
Two years, and this is alongside all the other games Cecilia's playing within this group.

01:01:54 Speaker_05
Keep it all, it's like, um, the one guy, the...

01:01:57 Speaker_07
That's super soccer. Yeah, horrible super soccer from the worst roommates ever that's from that show the first season. Yes Yes, it's cuz they have no job. Yeah, I have nothing to do all day.

01:02:06 Speaker_07
This is the this is who you're up against on the internet This is what we all have to remember with people like on reddit and all this kind of stuff when you're up against somebody the tender swindler Tender swindler exactly when you're up against somebody that has literally nothing but time to sit and think about ways to fuck with you after they already have you on the hook and

01:02:28 Speaker_07
You can't win.

01:02:28 Speaker_05
It's literally her job. She's stealing from all these people. Oh yeah, she's got, she's got fucking, it's, yeah.

01:02:37 Speaker_07
And that's why I feel like that's a hidden lesson here is that treat things like your job if they're your job. She treated it like it was a job. She got every, every day and she's like, how do I scam harder today?

01:02:46 Speaker_00
Yeah. I mean, she's in essence a criminal. Oh yes. Very much so. Well, finally, though, Cecilia got bored and killed off the John character just to watch Miranda suffer. And suffer she did, so intensely that she had to be taken to a trauma ward.

01:03:03 Speaker_00
Privately, Cecilia laughed about how thoroughly she'd tricked her supposed friend.

01:03:08 Speaker_09
Who did she laugh to? Honestly, to myself. That's all I need.

01:03:12 Speaker_07
The bartender, I guess? No. I remember one time I convinced her so hard that I could eat her pussy through the phone that she put the pussy, put her phone, Up against your pussy, right?

01:03:23 Speaker_10
That shit was fucking crazy, dawg. Her clit almost popped off.

01:03:28 Speaker_05
Yeah, I just called her over and over again. Yeah, I said, sit on it. Like, I learned it from private parts. It's like, I thought you used to be an overcomer. I didn't know you still were. More of an undercomer.

01:03:39 Speaker_00
Well, uh, Cecilia would brag about it to Candace. Uh, well, she wouldn't brag necessarily, but she would laugh at Marinda being in pain.

01:03:47 Speaker_00
You know, she wouldn't laugh and say, like, I was the one who did it, but she would see Marinda in pain, she'd be like,

01:03:54 Speaker_07
Also, then she could also blame it on like oh, that's one of my personalities or oh that's but just because that's my satanic programming up again And I forgot Marcus was because a thing that also came up that I forgot in the research Was that what she would do is she would blame her multiple personalities and every single time she had an issue She would play the song her favorite song of all time Shaggy's it wasn't me And she is funny

01:04:22 Speaker_07
She would have the Chorus to it wasn't me mm-hmm like she'd play it all The time and she'd sing it all the time so whenever she fucking any single time she ran into trouble She'd act like a blue like a baby and go no no mean just baby, baby, but then it turns into like it wasn't me no

01:04:43 Speaker_00
I can read the chorus for you. You could read it in an A. Honey came in and she caught me red-handed, creeping with the girl next door. Picture this, we were both butt naked, banging on the bathroom floor.

01:04:56 Speaker_00
How could I forget that I had given her an extra key? All this time, she was standing there. She never took her eyes off me. It wasn't me. It wasn't him! You alien! Also banging on the sofa. And had her in the shower. Caught me on camera.

01:05:13 Speaker_00
Marks on my shoulder. Heard the words that I told her. Her screams getting louder. She stayed until it was over.

01:05:19 Speaker_07
It wasn't me. But still, his back's all scratched up. This is all circumstantial! It's circumstantial evidence! It will not hold up in court!

01:05:28 Speaker_00
That's the only good joke from NakedGum33 and a third.

01:05:31 Speaker_09
I fell! On a rake!

01:05:38 Speaker_00
Now pretty much everyone in Cecilia's orbit was texted either by a Satanist wanting to leave the church or a Satanist who was threatening them.

01:05:46 Speaker_00
Sometimes Cecilia would even extort money from her friends while posing as a Satanist, even though both Rhea and Candace were still giving Cecilia most of their income.

01:05:56 Speaker_00
Eventually, though, Candace moved in with a mutual friend named Lucia, who saw through Cecilia's bullshit completely.

01:06:03 Speaker_00
Lucia told Candace that Cecilia was a liar, she was nowhere near as sick as she claimed, and she was just using Candace for her money.

01:06:11 Speaker_00
Candace refused to believe it at first, but she soon after got a text from her catfish satanist, a character named Wesley, asking for money. Wesley said, as many catfishers do, that he needed money for

01:06:23 Speaker_08
Satan took my clothes. And I will need a new phone because Satan likes androids. So he took my android. And I need new bedding. My bedding has been destroyed by Satan. I need a new pillow. Satan took it. And my towels. Please buy me towels.

01:06:39 Speaker_07
If I send you money, I'm gonna send you $5,000. And what I'm gonna need you to do is pay me back $10,000. But then what I'm gonna do then is pay you $25,000. But first of all, I'm gonna need you to send me some towels.

01:06:53 Speaker_05
You know, Satan's really into lobster rolls. He's crazy.

01:06:57 Speaker_07
Satan actually really wanted to try the new Coke Zero Oreo flavored if you could maybe leave some as well.

01:07:04 Speaker_00
Still believing the lie, Candace gave Cecilia the money to pass on to the character Wesley because Cecilia could apparently still talk to Satanist where no one else could.

01:07:14 Speaker_00
And sure enough, the next time Candace went over to Cecilia's apartment, she found that Cecilia suddenly had brand new expensive linens. And so, thanks to Lucia's persistence, Candace finally started distancing herself from Cecilia.

01:07:28 Speaker_00
Cecilia, of course, caught on and tried to get her back, saying that the Satanic Church was behind this attempt to pull them apart. Candace, however, fortunately for her, broke contact entirely in 2010 and avoided all of the awful things to come.

01:07:42 Speaker_07
Yeah, Candace goes on to say in her podcast that they never had a lesbian relationship, that all of that was conjured up by Cecilia. Same thing with the Rhea lesbian relationships. He said that was conjured up by Cecilia.

01:07:55 Speaker_07
She said that they were honestly, and it kind of makes sense a little bit of why she didn't stay. Because I do think if they were slapping clams, they would have maybe, she would have had more of a reason to stay. Yeah.

01:08:05 Speaker_07
Versus this where they were still friends and it was just the stupidest friendship of all time And I think eventually she just needed to leave because it was like according to her. It was a slow very very slow Pullout.

01:08:19 Speaker_00
I mean it was they were four years four years. That's a Candace put up with this ship with Cecilia Yeah, but I I think also like Candace Candace seems a little

01:08:32 Speaker_07
She says she goes along to get along. Can you do that terminally?

01:08:41 Speaker_05
Millions of people die when people go along to get along. It's like she wants the fame from it but wants none of it to be true.

01:08:49 Speaker_07
I think that she was sort of like made to talk. She got into talking about it because she was trying to deal with her quote-unquote own trauma. But I actually find it interesting of like

01:08:58 Speaker_07
It must feel extremely bad to be taken in by somebody in that level of being dumb.

01:09:03 Speaker_00
Candace is very gullible, but she's also a victim.

01:09:07 Speaker_07
Thankfully she didn't commit any murders, which makes her a victim, technically. And she just got her money taken, so that way she can be thankful.

01:09:15 Speaker_07
But it's hard, because I say one half of it's a sunken fallacy thing of you're mad at how much time you gave to this werewolf, but then on the other half, you thought she was a werewolf, girl.

01:09:26 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:09:27 Speaker_07
That should have been first thing!

01:09:29 Speaker_00
Now, with Candace gone, Cecilia had another villain. Except now, for the first time, this was a person that everyone knew, which made everything feel that much more real. You could put a face to the fucking situation.

01:09:42 Speaker_00
One of their own had betrayed them, the first of many, and it was all because they'd fallen under the influence of the Satanic Church. Well, she did start wearing tighter shirts. Oh, yes.

01:09:51 Speaker_07
Yes, because Candace started wearing tighter shirts, because Cecilia would always wear very baggy shirts. Or did she put weight on? No, no, no! No, she just said that her own personal preference was she started dressing quote-unquote normal again.

01:10:03 Speaker_07
Oh, okay. So people thought that she was being sexual.

01:10:07 Speaker_00
Now about a month after Candace left, Rhea Grunewald's brother died from a terminal illness and she began to reconnect with her family.

01:10:14 Speaker_00
And after seeing how much time and money Rhea was spending on Cecilia, her family convinced her that maybe this weird former Satanist wasn't a good person to have in her life.

01:10:24 Speaker_00
So Rhea decided to put more effort into her Know Your Enemy, Know Your Savior courses. This, of course, meant less time and money going towards Cecilia's so-called health problems and her private battles with the Satanic Church.

01:10:37 Speaker_00
But just as Rhea was pulling away, Marinda, the schoolteacher, was getting closer to Cecilia. And that was a feature, not a bug. She purposely was setting up the next group.

01:10:47 Speaker_00
In 2011, Marinda and her children, that's Marcel and LaRue, they moved into the apartment complex next to Cecilia's, and Cecilia convinced Marinda to put her daughter Marcel in Cecilia's service.

01:11:00 Speaker_00
At just 14 years old, Marcel was put in charge of raising Cecilia's young children, aged 3 and 5. She also would cook for Cecilia and clean her apartment. She was awesome. Yeah, she was her servant.

01:11:12 Speaker_00
And since they were hanging out so much, Marcel and Cecilia, as well as Marcel's 16-year-old brother LaRue, they all started doing coke together.

01:11:21 Speaker_07
Wild. Candace said something that also I found very illuminating, was that it seemed that Cecilia, during this time period, was collecting people that could be useful to her.

01:11:32 Speaker_07
Yeah that people were outside there were chefs obviously there were also people that were like one of them was a Worked in accountants the other would like so she ended up like wanted to being a nurse So what she did was use all of them as her own personal staff Yeah, and that was kind of like that's like the first thing my first hook-in of like so that's the practical reason She wanted to cult which she kind of wanted a bunch of people to wait on her hand and foot.

01:11:57 Speaker_07
Yes Yeah, but if the cooks a 14 year old the foods gotta be awful. Hey, man, I saw Masterchef jr

01:12:03 Speaker_00
You never know. Cecilia had also convinced Mirinda, as well as four other people close to her, to leave their various churches because Cecilia said that the leaders of large churches were all involved in the occult.

01:12:15 Speaker_00
And so once Cecilia really dug her claws into a handful of overcomers, she decided it was time to start her own Christian ministry, especially after she lost control of Candace and Rhea.

01:12:27 Speaker_00
This ministry, Cecilia's own little boutique cult, was called Electus Perdeus. Meaning chosen by God in Latin and Cecilia elected herself as leader.

01:12:38 Speaker_00
Oh, wow Good for her among a few others electus perdeus was made up of the naive Zach and Michaela Valentine a couple named Juanita and Charles Trudeau and three women named Amber Dupree's Melanie van der Merwe and Natasha Berger

01:12:57 Speaker_00
Cecilia's most ardent follower, however, was Mirinda Stain, who isolated herself and her two teenage children from all their friends and family. And shit got weird and demanding almost immediately.

01:13:10 Speaker_07
Do you know, like, we talked about this the last time where it's like that idea of being overly familiar. Why do some people react well to it and some people don't? Like, why is this idea of having this busy body come in your life?

01:13:22 Speaker_07
Why do some people... Because no one else gives a shit about them. Is that what it is? But she did have people who cared, but Miranda had people who cared about her. They had her own kids and she had family. She had people outside of this.

01:13:33 Speaker_07
They had their own church. Like, what is it about people that like this type of highly needy... It's a succubus thing, isn't it?

01:13:43 Speaker_00
I think what it is, it's the same sort of thing that you see with Trump but with the genders reversed. It's the strongman thing. Yeah, sure. It's like someone's going to tell them what to do.

01:13:53 Speaker_07
And then life is easier that way. That's what Candace said.

01:13:55 Speaker_07
Candace said it in her own way, where she was like, it was kind of a relief because she didn't have to choose how to, it was kind of nice because I didn't have to think about what to wear in the morning.

01:14:03 Speaker_07
And you're like, that little simple thought you just said is literally like, so you gave up your will to another human being, which is obviously what she's working all out of. She's in therapy working on it.

01:14:15 Speaker_07
Really makes me miss the days of Yonker Donker. I know. Sometimes I wonder, will they ever bring back Pina Colada or Donkey Yonkers? I don't know if they will.

01:14:27 Speaker_00
Well, while Know Your Enemy and Overcomers Through Christ had been more educational, Cecilia immediately made Electus Perdeus more action-oriented, focusing on the deliverance and rescue of victims of the occult.

01:14:40 Speaker_00
The problem was that the so-called victims didn't exist, and Cecilia had to keep raising the stakes somehow, so it was only a matter of time before the focus of Electus Perdeus would fall on the only other people they knew in the Satan game, Overcomers Through Christ.

01:14:56 Speaker_00
Now most of the Electus Prudeus members got Electus Prudeus tattoos immediately. Cool. With some just getting the words and other choosing a Celtic knot with the words tattooed inside the circle. Like Casey Anthony.

01:15:09 Speaker_00
I will say it's the best name so far. Electus Perdeus? No, it's out of Overcomers Through Christ and Know Your Enemy. Yeah, yeah, Electus Perdeus. I mean, it's a thing. A woman knows how to brand.

01:15:20 Speaker_00
The tattoos, however, were too much for some of the early members. Melanie van der Merwe left almost immediately and I think got out of the whole anti-Satanist scene altogether.

01:15:31 Speaker_00
I think it's probably a good time to just be like, I think I could just go get into cupcakes or food trucks. I can just go to church every Sunday and I think they'll be fine.

01:15:42 Speaker_00
But Natasha Berger returned to Rhea Grunewald and the Overcomers through Christ. This would prove to be a fatal decision. Now like Charles Manson, Cecilia fed her cult illicit drugs in order to better control them.

01:15:57 Speaker_00
But while Manson used acid, Cecilia used a much more unpredictable drug, meth. And the group would smoke about 400 bucks worth of meth every week.

01:16:08 Speaker_07
You ever read that allegorical story when Jesus turned meth into powder? It was like baby powder, but then everyone got mad at him. They're like, why'd you ruin the meth? So he turned it back into meth. And we're all like, yeah, what's wrong with me?

01:16:22 Speaker_00
Meth's awesome. Wasn't Peter the Apostle a huge meth add?

01:16:26 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, dude. His whole thing was that he'd do anal for money to get meth. He was gay for pay, and he'd get money for the meth, and then Jesus would multiply it.

01:16:38 Speaker_05
Yeah, and then he walked on whiskey.

01:16:43 Speaker_07
I've been wondering, honestly, I missed that little tidbit. I was like, what tournament of murder? And then it was like, yeah, meth.

01:16:50 Speaker_00
Meth will do it. Yeah, I don't know if $400 a week is a lot of meth. I have no idea. It might not be a lot of meth. I don't know. Side stories, lpotl at gmail.com.

01:16:58 Speaker_05
I wonder what the meth in Kruger Dorp is like as opposed to, you know, Boise, Iowa. Yeah, I actually wonder.

01:17:03 Speaker_00
Do you think they have better meth in South Africa? I think America has the best meth in the world. We better have the fucking best meth! We're being very American-centric. We might be. We might be. I don't know. There could be some good.

01:17:14 Speaker_05
The old country of great meth and better meth. If you do meth in South Africa, please write in. Sidestories. Lpotl.gmail.com.

01:17:22 Speaker_07
No, we're not the devils in the radio. We are people.

01:17:25 Speaker_00
I hear Eastern Europe has incredible meth. I hope so.

01:17:28 Speaker_07
For their sake.

01:17:29 Speaker_00
Well, after getting everyone good and paranoid, Cecilia continued using prepaid phones, posing as various satanic witch personalities, to scare every Electus Prudeus member into thinking they were in constant danger.

01:17:41 Speaker_07
And the best part about the math is that you don't have to be as good at all the different voices. How did she keep the phones right? Because she must have like 15 phones. It was her only thing. It was the only thing she had to do all day long.

01:17:53 Speaker_00
Yeah. Cecilia, however, turned the messages into a positive, saying that if they were getting threatening messages, then that meant that they were on the right path. See?

01:18:02 Speaker_00
But even so, Electus Perdeus continued to shed members, and Charles and Juanita Truder left... Charles Truder is the worst fucking name I've ever heard in my life. Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles!

01:18:11 Speaker_00
Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles!

01:18:17 Speaker_00
Charles!

01:18:17 Speaker_08
Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles! Charles!

01:18:23 Speaker_02
I'm named after my gnarled vagina.

01:18:31 Speaker_00
They left in June of 2011. Cecilia had officiated Charles and Juanita's wedding, and the abrasive Cecilia had rubbed Charles' family the wrong way.

01:18:41 Speaker_07
It's just the way she acts. I could tell. She reminds me of someone we used to work with a long time ago.

01:18:48 Speaker_07
where they were just so brilliant and all they did was like, I could just see her laughing and smoking and giving a werewolf ceremony where they're talking about fucking meat. I don't know what you do in a werewolf wedding ceremony.

01:19:02 Speaker_05
Charles and Juanita is like Bonnie and Clyde if it was only in Whataburger Drive-Thru.

01:19:08 Speaker_08
He's been sitting on it.

01:19:13 Speaker_00
Well, listening to family, just like Rhea had, Tarl left with his wife, and even tried getting Zack and Michaela to leave with them. They declined, mostly due to what Cecilia was telling them about people who left Electus Perdeus.

01:19:27 Speaker_00
The exodus of so many people from this small group was not because of Cecilia, or anything she did, or how she acted, nothing like that, but because of the incredible power of the demonic Mr. Brad.

01:19:40 Speaker_10
Yes, I created a groupon where they all get tickets to have a wonderful bus tour of the central states of Canada. Yes, the most diabolical, most boring of vacations. You cannot resist a group bus ride through central Canada.

01:20:02 Speaker_00
Well, Cecilia said that Mr. Brand had brainwashed all of them into not only leaving, but into becoming murderers on his behalf. So everyone that left was not only now a Satanist, they were also a murderer, and they were very, very dangerous.

01:20:16 Speaker_00
That's what Cecilia is telling everyone, is that everything outside of this room that we're in right now is extremely dangerous and life-threatening, and even inside this room, they can also still get to me, so you have to protect me at all times.

01:20:31 Speaker_05
But as soon as this meeting's over, everything's fine, and you're just gonna go home and nothing's gonna happen.

01:20:35 Speaker_00
It is kind of like that. But they're also on meth, and they're imagining that around every corner is a Satanist that's high. Every shadow, every car that might take the same route as them, all that, it's all Satanists.

01:20:49 Speaker_00
And they're also getting text messages when they go home from Satanists, supposed Satanists, saying, I'm gonna come kill you, you're dead, all that shit.

01:20:56 Speaker_07
They're on meth, are they fucking all the time? No, they're family. Well, they would have, according to Candace. Well, Candace left before the meth. But afterwards, she was saying that they were beginning to have sexual threesomes.

01:21:11 Speaker_07
That Miranda was having sex with Cecilia, and then they brought in another dude, and they were having threesomes. But I don't know.

01:21:19 Speaker_07
I see, I prefer, I wish the sex wouldn't get involved, because I think it's kind of nice to have a family can do something together. It's so hard. You know like if you're having a big meth orgy and your son's there.

01:21:31 Speaker_07
It's not fucking that fun Yeah, I guess unless you're everybody's on methamphetamine.

01:21:36 Speaker_07
I've never done drugs with my mother Yeah, just wonder what that be like we wouldn't do meth, but you know we would drink yeah I've taken my mom's 500 mg Motrin's before

01:21:50 Speaker_00
Hell yeah. That's fun. Now by the end of 2011, Miranda and her children were brought even further into Cecilia's orbit. Miranda moved into Cecilia's building, taking an apartment on the floor above.

01:22:02 Speaker_00
Miranda then forbade her children, LaRue and Marcel, from speaking to anyone outside of Electus Perdeus, because she truly believed that agents of Satan were constantly trying to get to Cecilia, and by extension, the rest of the cult.

01:22:16 Speaker_00
Cecilia then had Zach Valentine sign over all his income to Electus Perdeus, partly because she just wanted the money, because remember Cecilia and Candace, they're gone, and partly to bolster a lie that would eventually motivate the cult to commit their first murders.

01:22:31 Speaker_07
When do you think murder entered her mind? Meth.

01:22:37 Speaker_00
I don't think until later.

01:22:39 Speaker_07
They realize like, oh, we're just going to murder now.

01:22:41 Speaker_00
I think this is going to give us purpose. We're about to start the escalation, but I think it didn't. I don't think murder entered her mind until she felt that murder was the only thing left to escalate to. Sure.

01:22:54 Speaker_05
Yeah. Yeah. No one has died yet.

01:22:56 Speaker_00
Not yet. Not yet.

01:22:58 Speaker_00
Cecilia told Electus Perdeus that Zach's money was going towards an orphanage in America that housed 200 children who had been abandoned by Satanists who didn't want their children to suffer the indignities of being raised amidst satanic rituals and sacrifices.

01:23:12 Speaker_00
Does this make any sense? So the idea, so it was self-hating satanists? It was satanists who didn't, they were satanists, because that was always the thing that she could say, is that satanists, all satanists want to get out, but they can't get out.

01:23:26 Speaker_07
Because they were held in because of family bonds, and because they made a deal with the devil.

01:23:32 Speaker_00
Oh no, if they leave they'll die. Yes. For various reasons. Yeah, if they leave they'll be killed, so every satanist, it's like Schrodinger's satanist.

01:23:40 Speaker_02
But she left!

01:23:45 Speaker_07
She was so powerful they allowed her to leave.

01:23:47 Speaker_00
She's a 42nd generation satanic witch werewolf. You idiot. Yeah so she can leave but like lower satanists they're both let's think they're both

01:23:57 Speaker_00
but they are both evil satanists who want to kill you and also lost souls who want to leave all at the same time always it's all it i know it's probably i know a lot of you listening might be like confused at times but that's because cecilia purposefully made it confusing yes like she wanted to make she wanted to make sure everyone was off balance at all times

01:24:19 Speaker_07
Well, it's also supposed to feel legitimate. Yeah. You know what I mean? So the idea is that we are slowly adding detail and doing all these things to make it legitimate.

01:24:27 Speaker_00
But also, again, math. Yeah. Yeah. And she could also, if she makes things confusing, that also allows her to be condescending towards people who ask her questions. Like, you don't understand.

01:24:39 Speaker_07
That's how she always was. She was like Turbo Tax. I think that's a massive word for her. She's fucking condescending. She's so fucking annoying. When you see her talking to these cops, she's such a fucking annoying bitch. God, I hate her.

01:24:55 Speaker_00
Yeah, she's awful. About the orphanage, because this orphanage lie, this is a very, very big part of what happens with Electus Perdeus.

01:25:05 Speaker_00
She said there's 200 kids that were held in this orphanage in America, but Electus Perdeus need not worry because Cecilia was communicating with these children through the astral plane. And with Zach's money, she would one day get them to safety.

01:25:19 Speaker_00
In reality, Cecilia was depositing all this money in her own bank account.

01:25:23 Speaker_09
Where it was safe!

01:25:25 Speaker_00
And over a period of three years, Zack would transfer over a hundred grand to Cecilia.

01:25:30 Speaker_05
What are these people's jobs?

01:25:32 Speaker_00
It's all their money.

01:25:33 Speaker_05
Everyone's spending, giving this lady so much fucking money.

01:25:36 Speaker_07
Well, it's a hundred grand over three years, and it's every dime that he made.

01:25:40 Speaker_00
Now, it's debatable what Cecilia's motivations were for what she did next. But personally, I think she was just trying to start the fight with the overcomers through Christ so she'd have a reason to go after them.

01:25:51 Speaker_07
I think now she's just so high on her own fucking supply that all she wants to do is kill.

01:25:56 Speaker_02
Mm-hmm.

01:25:57 Speaker_00
See, Cecilia ostensibly tried getting back into Rhea Grunewald's good graces by offering to buy Rhea a new car. Oh, wow. Yeah, probably with Zach's money.

01:26:06 Speaker_00
Rhea declined the offer and also told Cecilia that she couldn't rejoin the Know Your Enemy Slash Savior courses, even after Cecilia begged her.

01:26:15 Speaker_07
How could she leave her out?

01:26:17 Speaker_00
Cecilia's the draw. But after Cecilia established a rift between herself and the Overcomers through Christ because Rhea had rejected her, she accused Rhea of speaking with Satan and sent her this message.

01:26:30 Speaker_06
Playtime is over. This is war.

01:26:33 Speaker_00
Mm-hmm Cecilia then went back to Electus Perdeus and told them that Rhea Grunewald was now playing for Satan's team Whoa and they all therefore needed to go to any links to help Cecilia safe because if Satan can get to Rhea she can get to anybody cuz Rhea's fucking man her vagina was sealed shut by Mary

01:26:55 Speaker_07
Starting small to roll her people into something bigger and to test their loyalty, Cecilia began her cult's road to murder with petty acts of vandalism.

01:27:16 Speaker_00
In February of 2012, Cecilia had her cult members smash and destroy the car of a local pastor named George Nell, who had worked closely with Rhea Grunewald and the Overcomers Through Christ. It's the only good thing she ever did.

01:27:32 Speaker_07
Again, all of this, if this was just shenanigans, if it all was just shenanigans, it'd be different. Well, not like Joseph Ritzel's shenanigans.

01:27:40 Speaker_00
No.

01:27:41 Speaker_07
Oh yeah. But it'd be different.

01:27:42 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, it's the thing is that, like, when you have shit like this that's just shenanigans, it's just a story that people tell in your small town. Yeah.

01:27:49 Speaker_00
Like, you know, those wacky fe- like, you remember that shit that happened back in, like, 2012 when that fucking woman Cecilia convinced all those people to, like, make bombs and shit? Yeah. Yeah, that was funny. Yeah. Krugerdorf?

01:28:01 Speaker_00
Well after that, Cecilia had her people slash the tires of cars belonging to Overcomers during their meetings. Terrified, the Overcomers changed venues. But Cecilia, acting as her 8-year-old spoiled child personality Lily, she was waiting for them.

01:28:20 Speaker_00
Rhea, separated from Cecilia, but still believing her story completely, she was alarmed because the meeting place was out of the bounds of Cecilia's so-called death boundaries that had been set by the heinous Mr. Brand.

01:28:35 Speaker_07
I just don't fucking get it, because then you'd be like, well, then she'll die if he's the enemy and she's getting away. But then you're like, oh, my God, she's just so powerful.

01:28:44 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's the that's the crazy thing about Rhea is that even after she separated from Cecilia She could never bring herself until everything, you know fell apart, you know, and they were she was fucking charged with 11 murders Yeah, like she was never able to bring herself to think like maybe Cecilia's lying.

01:29:03 Speaker_00
Oh, yeah, she had to believe that Cecilia was real and

01:29:06 Speaker_05
Because it would discredit every single thing that she did with Rhea. It seems like it's currently falling apart.

01:29:11 Speaker_00
Oh, no, it's going further. Well, Cecilia's presence didn't stop Rhea and the Overcomers from continuing their fabricated mission, and some members were starting to stand out.

01:29:21 Speaker_00
Natasha Berger, who had returned to the Overcomers after a brief stint at Electus Per Deus, she had been impressing Rhea with her dedication to the cause.

01:29:30 Speaker_00
Somehow, the Overcomers had got word of the 200 fictitious American orphans, and they believed the story as well. So Natasha would use her lunch breaks to say prayers for the abandoned children of Satan.

01:29:42 Speaker_07
These people need shit to do! They need other things to care about!

01:29:47 Speaker_05
We don't even have orphanages anymore, right? No, we throw them in the street, we kill them, we grind them up in the war machine!

01:29:52 Speaker_07
Okay? Get used to it, you're dumb!

01:29:56 Speaker_00
At Ria's request, Natasha then spoke about the orphans at the next Know Your Enemy slash Savior meetings and led the group in prayer so God could get the heads up that he needed to help some children in America.

01:30:08 Speaker_07
And what was God like? Oh, shit.

01:30:11 Speaker_08
Well, I didn't know that. Let me look into that. Oh, 200 kids, I should have done something. Whoa, gotta go over there. There's a hurricane that came out of my butt. Sorry, Florida.

01:30:24 Speaker_09
Oh, that was sleeping.

01:30:26 Speaker_07
Oh, shit.

01:30:27 Speaker_09
I guess I could do something, but I fucking won't. There we go. I just, all right, I made another baby with two heads.

01:30:35 Speaker_00
I never got that fucking concept that, you know, the more people pray for something, the more God is likely to do something about it.

01:30:42 Speaker_00
Like God is some unemployed asshole who needs to be asked a million times before he'll fucking get off his ass and do anything.

01:30:48 Speaker_07
Like God's a lame duck president who has to look at the polling to decide that he can do something about it.

01:30:56 Speaker_00
Now remember, Cecilia had complete access to Ria's emails, so she knew about Natasha's speaking engagement.

01:31:02 Speaker_00
So Cecilia called Ria the day after in a tizzy and said that she was in the hospital because Natasha's prayers had killed 171 of the 200 children. And that's how you know it's real, because it's a weird number. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:18 Speaker_00
Yeah, she killed 171 and it disturbed Cecilia so much she was now in the hospital and Cecilia was Screaming at Rhea according to Cecilia all the children carried death curses and those curses had to be broken Before the children could be prayed for If the curses weren't broken first the prayers would trigger the curses and killed the kids on the spot

01:31:44 Speaker_08
Yeah, sorry everybody. They think about me being god and I'm powerful and stuff like that. I just fuck shit up. I fuck shit up and everybody got fucking dealt with it. Sorry. And the media refused to report on it. I'm sorry. God damn right. It's my bad.

01:32:00 Speaker_08
It's my bad. Sorry, y'all.

01:32:02 Speaker_00
Well, Cecilia then said that the Satanist parents of those children, they knew what the Overcomers had done, and they were coming for Natasha in particular to take their revenge. She's planting a seed of a story here.

01:32:14 Speaker_00
Now, interestingly, even though many members of Electus Perdeus had received hundreds of threatening text messages from so-called Satanists, they didn't bat an eye when Cecilia instructed all of them to text the Overcomers pretending to be Satanists.

01:32:28 Speaker_07
Yeah, she's like, well, They're all like, what? Just don't worry about it.

01:32:32 Speaker_00
Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it. If you're thinking about it, don't think about it. And they all did Cecilia's bidding. They focused on the orphan angle, just texting everyone all the time. You killed the orphans. We're coming for you.

01:32:42 Speaker_00
We're coming for you. Ria, meanwhile, she's finally fucking done with Cecilia. One night, Cecilia called and said that she was about to die because a death curse had been activated and only Ria could save her. Ria called Cecilia's bluff.

01:32:58 Speaker_00
and was probably not that surprised to hear that Cecilia was still alive the next day. After that, Rhea broke off all contact and ignored all of Cecilia's texts and calls.

01:33:10 Speaker_00
Rhea, however, still thought that the Satanic Church was texting the Overcomers, and never once thought that if Cecilia had been lying about the death curse, she might have lied about everything.

01:33:21 Speaker_07
Oh god it was just like this when Candace breaks down about the there was like some story same thing with the orphanages that's what she talked about was like the orphanages were like when she was like there had to have been maybe of all the lies that Cecilia said hey there miss one story

01:33:40 Speaker_04
That's a bit of a carnal truth to it.

01:33:43 Speaker_07
Shut the fuck up, Candace! Shut up! She lied to you! She never said a single true thing! Fuck, I'm sorry! I'm sorry it happened to you, Candace! You just gotta fucking let go!

01:33:54 Speaker_00
There's just not cabals of satanists. ritualistically murdering people. It just doesn't exist.

01:33:59 Speaker_07
We're going to Hollywood Horror Nights. We're yelling about putting the fucking Baphomet statue next to the Ten Commandments and fucking in front of a courthouse. We're mostly not even talking!

01:34:10 Speaker_00
Satanists, you mean.

01:34:10 Speaker_07
Satanists! You know what? When I hang out with my Satanist friends, you know what's the last thing we talk about? Satan. Most of the time, we're just hanging out. It's just like a fuck you to the fucking squares. That's the whole point. It's to be annoying.

01:34:24 Speaker_07
That's a point! I'm annoying on purpose! I have honed this!

01:34:28 Speaker_00
Now, Cecilia was outraged that Rhea had finally rejected her for good, so she told the Electus Prudeus members that they had to provoke fear amongst the overcomers so they would stop the practices that brought death to 171 children in America.

01:34:43 Speaker_00
They had to stop praying for the children.

01:34:45 Speaker_08
Hey, um, Cecilia, what if we attack The Satanists.

01:34:50 Speaker_00
Too powerful.

01:34:51 Speaker_08
Too powerful. But you're the most powerful Satanist witch werewolf that exists. What if you flip on them? It seems like that would be the ultimate coup.

01:35:00 Speaker_00
But I'm one Satanist against a whole world of Satanists. And even though I'm a powerful Satanist, I'm not powerful as all the Satanists put together. You fucking idiot.

01:35:06 Speaker_01
I'm so stupid. I'm so stupid.

01:35:09 Speaker_09
I'm so stupid. Oh, but I'm stupid! Let me just... Yeah, let's fucking get him! I wanna fucking crucify him! Yeah, I wanna see blood! Let's kill the orphans! Yeah, fuck that! Oh wait, are the orphans good or the orphans bad?

01:35:24 Speaker_01
Oh, I don't care! I don't care! Let's kill some orphans!

01:35:27 Speaker_07
So, at Cecilia's request- Do you think if we send them to war, they'd be warfans? That's cool.

01:35:34 Speaker_05
That's a good thing we should flip for them. Yeah, you get rid of them and you kill their families, you know, and then you have morfans.

01:35:39 Speaker_07
Whoa, fun! Warfans needs to be the name of our daycare.

01:35:46 Speaker_05
Always accepting more children.

01:35:50 Speaker_00
Well, at Cecilia's command, the teenage LaRue Stain learned how to make bombs off the internet. By the way, LaRue Stain is a name. That does not sound like a name, it is a name.

01:36:01 Speaker_07
Yeah, LaRue Stain is a little mini Frenchman. Again, it's a goon, building bombs up, being like, you want something that blows up? I believe I can work something out like that, my friend. I've got LaRue Stain in my underwear now.

01:36:18 Speaker_00
The first bombing, held on July 4th, 2012, was an unqualified failure. That night during an Overcomers meeting, Zach Valentine and Marcel Stain placed bombs somewhat like Molotov cocktails under the cars of a few members.

01:36:33 Speaker_00
But one of the Overcomers smelled gas and saw Zach and Marcel planting the bombs, and they called on all the other Overcomers to help chase him away.

01:36:43 Speaker_00
Rhea, however, didn't suspect Cecilia at all and announced that this was proof that the satanic church was finally coming for her.

01:36:51 Speaker_07
That's all she wanted. This is the problem is that Rhea is getting what she wants out of this.

01:36:56 Speaker_00
Yes. But while the first attempt was a wash, Electus Perdeus's next bombs were far more successful.

01:37:03 Speaker_00
Using blank ammunition filled with shrapnel and firecrackers, sealed in soda cans, two Electus Perdeus members bombed Ria's car and damaged it enough where it had to be towed away. No way!

01:37:15 Speaker_09
Not the tow truck!

01:37:18 Speaker_00
And they said they left some bombs in the yard, like some holes in the yard. I mean, if they would've hit people, they would've killed them.

01:37:24 Speaker_07
Yeah, I gotta say, I'm just saying that it's just funny how bad they can be at being supervillains.

01:37:30 Speaker_00
At first, a few days later, Cecilia convinced this group of Christians to burn down a fucking church. Using glass lanterns, Mirinda, Zach, Michaela, and Marcel bombed the Lighthouse Gospel Church and left a note on the gate that read,

01:37:48 Speaker_00
Who is going to protect you now, Ria?

01:37:51 Speaker_07
But then they're all like, so we're pretending to be Satanists? I'm like super confused in this whole, this whole bit. Yeah. No, no. It's all point is to keep you off balance. Whoa. Are you right? Wow. Yeah. Let's piss on her. I saved my piss.

01:38:08 Speaker_07
Was I supposed to be doing that? Yes, my friend. I think that you saving your piss is one of the nicest things I've heard a man do today. Good work, let me see that piece. My favorite little girl ever.

01:38:25 Speaker_00
The police did get involved here, and the investigators were able to pull a fingerprint from a newspaper wrapped around one of the bomb fragments. It belonged to Marinda Stain, the schoolteacher, and she was interrogated.

01:38:38 Speaker_00
But she was only issued a warning, and the court case was stricken from the record. See, this is where somebody had to be involved.

01:38:45 Speaker_07
She built a fucking bomb and set it off.

01:38:48 Speaker_00
At a church. Now, it's unclear why or how Mirinda Stain was able to get out of this, but it's a pretty safe bet to say that Cecilia's police officer husband got involved and was able to make the whole thing go away.

01:39:05 Speaker_07
Alright, or at least as long as it's not in the living room. I just don't understand. We're like that's huge. Yeah, that's not a Cops like let's dispel some mysticism about some police officers.

01:39:17 Speaker_07
Yeah, they do they can fudge shit Yeah, you're talking about like lifting cocaine out of an evidence room You're talking about getting you off on a speeding ticket. You talk about getting a hummer instead of fucking Arresting him for DUI.

01:39:28 Speaker_07
It's not like that

01:39:31 Speaker_05
Notoriously one of the most corrupt police forces in the world.

01:39:35 Speaker_00
Yeah. Yeah, you're talking American cops Like this is not this is South African cops where they can absolutely sweep something like this under the rug now fully emboldened

01:39:44 Speaker_00
and Cecilia told the members of Electus Perdeus that Rhea and the Overcomers were actively working against them.

01:39:52 Speaker_00
The bombings had been an attempt to stop Natasha and the Overcomers from killing more children through prayer, but according to Cecilia's astral projections, they had not stopped praying. So, as Cecilia put it, Electus Perdeus had two choices.

01:40:07 Speaker_00
Either Cecilia would surrender herself to the Satanic Church so she could stop the killing herself, or they could murder Natasha Berger. This was Cecilia's biggest gamble, the ultimate test of just how good her story really was.

01:40:24 Speaker_00
Unanimously and without question, the cult agreed to kill a fellow Christian, a person that had once been a member of their group and was known to each one of them personally.

01:40:35 Speaker_07
And I do think that this is where, and maybe this is inappropriate comment to make, but this was her ultimate triumph. Which is, she's got to them, these guys are really doing something that is against their very nature.

01:40:48 Speaker_07
These people are not murderers. But, I guess meth really does help. Put some pep in your step. And kind of gets you in a bit of a paranoid way of thinking.

01:40:59 Speaker_00
Yeah, and they've been under Cecilia's influence for years.

01:41:02 Speaker_07
Five years now!

01:41:03 Speaker_00
Yeah, for years at this point. And so it's a long time. It's been a slow roll up. Actually, Zach and Michaela Valentine, they've only been in it for about two years at this point. They joined in 2010. It's a quick turnaround. Yeah.

01:41:17 Speaker_00
Everyone's ready to go, man. Now, Cecilia was admittedly quite clever when it came to planning this operation.

01:41:24 Speaker_00
She gleaned information from a former Electus Prudeus member about Natasha's work hours, who her neighbors were, and what security was like at her housing complex.

01:41:34 Speaker_00
Because, you know, in South Africa, you have a lot of complexes where they have fucking walls. Private security companies, all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah.

01:41:41 Speaker_00
This was under the auspice of protecting Natasha because Cecilia told the former member that she'd had visions that Natasha was going to be killed by Satanists.

01:41:50 Speaker_00
So Cecilia both got the information to plan the murder and she planted a story that drew attention away from her all in one fell swoop.

01:41:58 Speaker_00
And so, when the cult was ready, they stole license plates and put them on their own cars so they wouldn't be caught if there were security cameras at Natasha's housing complex.

01:42:08 Speaker_07
That's a lot of steps to take people through, and I honestly think it does help the act of murder.

01:42:12 Speaker_00
Yeah, you have to slow roll. You can't just hand someone a knife and say, go do it. You have to make it an operation.

01:42:18 Speaker_07
You ever see that show where the magician convinces the people to go on the heist? No. Dude, you should see it. I think they banned it. BBC, you should look at this. It's wild.

01:42:28 Speaker_07
It's this guy who basically proves you can drive people to do things against their will and is this famous sort of stunt magician, I forget his name, in the UK.

01:42:37 Speaker_07
And he does this thing where he essentially takes five strangers and he convinces them to rob a bank.

01:42:42 Speaker_00
My God.

01:42:43 Speaker_07
But it just shows that it can happen.

01:42:45 Speaker_00
Yeah. Cecilia, however, when they finally went out to the Lancelot Complex in the town of Wierda Park, where Natasha lived, Cecilia hung back. She didn't go with them. No. She hung back for every single murder. She would never be present for any of them.

01:43:00 Speaker_05
She's got 20 diseases. She can't do anything.

01:43:02 Speaker_00
She's got an oxygen tank.

01:43:04 Speaker_05
She can't be sitting there all...

01:43:06 Speaker_00
Do you think there was even oxygen in the tank? No. I have no idea.

01:43:09 Speaker_07
No, it was empty. That's how she got to carry it around so easily.

01:43:11 Speaker_00
Yeah, and they also, and also remember she is, she can't leave the borders, the satanic Mr. Brand borders.

01:43:18 Speaker_00
Now the cult's first plan for killing Natasha Berger was to have the teenage girl, Marcel Stane, knock on Natasha's door and say that her cat was missing.

01:43:26 Speaker_07
It's like the beginning of a pornography.

01:43:28 Speaker_00
She would ask if she could check Natasha's backyard. And once inside, she would use a taser to knock Natasha out, and the rest of the cult would storm in and stab her to death. Jesus.

01:43:39 Speaker_00
But when Marcel knocked on Natasha's door and told her the cat story, Natasha got irritated and said, I ain't got no fucking cat in my yard. Get out of here. Yeah. And she didn't recognize her? No, she didn't recognize her.

01:43:51 Speaker_00
The cult returned to Cecilia, and she decided, in a plan that's downright diabolical, to use Natasha's elderly neighbor, Joy Boonsayer, as bait.

01:44:01 Speaker_00
And so, on July 26, 2012, Zach and Michaela Valentine, wearing wigs, left Kruger's door- A beehive in Afro. left Kruger's door with knives, a hammer, and a gift-wrapped present. They arrived around 5 p.m.

01:44:17 Speaker_00
and knocked on the door of the elderly Joy Boonsayer and told her that they were friends of Natasha who wanted to surprise her for her birthday.

01:44:25 Speaker_07
I remember friends. They used to come by and then what I would do is I would strangle them and eat their meat. Again and again. It's just nice to see some new young flesh.

01:44:42 Speaker_00
Well, Joy, thinking nothing was amiss, she invited them inside for tea.

01:44:52 Speaker_00
But as soon as Zach and Michaela stepped inside, Zach pulled out his knife and ordered Joy to write an urgent note to Natasha, telling her to come see her as soon as she got home from work.

01:45:02 Speaker_00
Joy wrote the note, which Michaela slid underneath Natasha's door.

01:45:06 Speaker_00
Now, Cecilia added an extra level of manipulation to this murder by telling Zach that while he should kill Natasha, his wife Michaela needed to be the one to kill Joy Boonsayer, because Michaela needed to learn how to murder a human being, because there was going to be a lot of murder in their future.

01:45:23 Speaker_05
So for no other reason than just practice, they killed Joy? Well, to get rid of a witness.

01:45:28 Speaker_00
Okay, yeah, and she said it like this like this is all gonna This is under the auspices in the end of we're going to be doing this for Christ Yeah, but when it came time to slaughter the terrified trembling old woman Michaela couldn't do it Instead she ran out of the house and joy attempted to run after her Zach however fully in Cecilia's thrall had no problem killing the old lady himself

01:45:53 Speaker_07
He wanted to kill. He was probably the most ready and most aggro to do it.

01:45:56 Speaker_00
Very. Him and Marinda. Yeah. Going all out on his first murder, Zach stabbed Joy in the neck six times, then smashed her with a hammer a further ten times. Fucking travel agents. It's always them. His wife was the travel agent.

01:46:14 Speaker_00
He was, even worse, insurance broker. He was already killing people with his policies!

01:46:22 Speaker_02
Andy, it just left Florida!

01:46:25 Speaker_00
Well, finally, he took out another knife and slit Joy's throat. Joy was tough and managed to dial South Africa's emergency line, which is entirely too long. It's too many letters! And then Zach left the room, but it was too late for Joy.

01:46:43 Speaker_00
She died in the entrance of her bedroom, trying to crawl to the front door. At that very moment, though, Natasha arrived and found the note that Michaela had slipped under her door. She quickly went next door to Joy's house,

01:46:55 Speaker_00
but it was Zach Valentine who answered the door.

01:46:58 Speaker_00
He grabbed her and pulled her inside, and while she did put up a struggle, Zach hit her in the head with a hammer before stabbing her in the neck, head, and arms several times as she tried to defend herself.

01:47:11 Speaker_00
Finally, he slit her throat, and Natasha died with Joy's note still crumpled in her hand.

01:47:16 Speaker_07
Now this went as badly as it could have.

01:47:19 Speaker_07
Essentially, I think it went about as well as it could have I mean in terms of like it was all supposed to be like Well done and neat and quiet and and subtle and well, how are they gonna they brought a hammer and a knife?

01:47:30 Speaker_05
It's not like they were chloroform.

01:47:31 Speaker_00
That was again. It was wrong tools. See the thing is I think That they wanted it to be messy. To be this brutal? I think they wanted it to be this brutal. I think it's sort of like Manson said, make it witchy. Make it witchy. Yeah, I could see that.

01:47:45 Speaker_07
Because of what would go on, they would go on to think of what happened with these people.

01:47:48 Speaker_00
Yeah, because remember Cecilia's already planted the scene.

01:47:50 Speaker_07
This is from the perspective of Satan.

01:47:52 Speaker_00
Yeah, Natasha is in danger of being killed by Satanists, so... We have to kill them like Satanists would kill them. Exactly. Got it. Now, the bodies were found almost immediately while Zack was still running to his car.

01:48:04 Speaker_00
His wife, Michaela, was waiting, and Michaela, understandably upset by her blood-covered husband, cried the whole way back to Kruger's door.

01:48:12 Speaker_06
messing up our seats, getting blood on the dashboard, and it's hard to clean.

01:48:19 Speaker_05
How was I supposed to know all that blood was gonna be in their bodies?

01:48:21 Speaker_06
I don't know, but now you smell like old panties.

01:48:26 Speaker_02
Oh, I'm sorry. Next time when I cut someone's throat, there won't be any blood.

01:48:30 Speaker_05
Are you sure? I wish you could promise that. We'll just have to talk to Sadie.

01:48:36 Speaker_00
Cecilia was of course disappointed that Michaela didn't fulfill her part of the mission. But she still gathered together all the Electus Perdeus members that night to celebrate a job well done.

01:48:47 Speaker_07
They celebrated these murders. And guess what they played? It wasn't me.

01:48:54 Speaker_00
The Overcomers, meanwhile, were left to process the news that one of their own had been brutally murdered.

01:49:00 Speaker_00
They all assumed it was a Satanist who'd done the job, partly because of the savagery with which Natasha was killed, but partly because Cecilia had earlier told an Overcomer that she'd had visions of Natasha being murdered by a Satanist.

01:49:15 Speaker_00
The overcomer that Cecilia had spoken to about all this was named Amber Dupreez. But instead of suspecting Cecilia, the murder of Natasha Berger pulled Amber further into Electus Perdeus, and she brought along her boyfriend, James Vermock.

01:49:31 Speaker_00
And what, they just had to keep this whole thing a secret from her? Yeah.

01:49:34 Speaker_05
Because everyone else in the group knows what they did.

01:49:37 Speaker_00
There's a lot of moving parts here. There's a lot of stuff going on here, buddy. This is on them.

01:49:43 Speaker_00
And that's the thing is that they can also, once they bring her in and she's suitably brainwashed, they can say, actually, it was us that killed Natasha, but we killed Natasha for XYZ. Yeah, for XYZ, yes.

01:49:56 Speaker_00
Now, as far as the police went, they couldn't have gotten this murder more wrong and they couldn't have been more confused. They immediately believed that the murder was a satanic sacrifice.

01:50:06 Speaker_07
Everybody gets what they want.

01:50:07 Speaker_00
But the know-your-enemy literature found in Natasha's apartment led the police to believe that she was the occultist. fucking stupid.

01:50:17 Speaker_00
As far as Joy went, the nice old lady who invited them in for tea, the cops assumed that she was also an occultist because they found a bunch of half-burned candles around her house.

01:50:28 Speaker_00
And from what their training told them, candles equal occult rituals.

01:50:32 Speaker_07
Kind of be cool, even if it's retconned, if your grandma turned out to be a super evil, like Satanist, like, you know, it's hard, but you go be like, wow, whoa, grandma was fucking metal.

01:50:41 Speaker_10
That's awesome.

01:50:43 Speaker_00
I didn't know she was like that. Well, incredibly, because of the literature, the number one suspect in this murder was Rhea Grunewald.

01:50:51 Speaker_08
Yeah, that's the only good thing! That's the only good thing! That would have been awesome if they arrested her.

01:50:54 Speaker_00
Because she was the know-your-enemy leader. You know, all the literature, she was in charge of all that. In fact, when Rhea contacted the police to help solve Natasha's murder, the police took that as further proof that she was guilty.

01:51:06 Speaker_00
Rhea was interrogated and was told that she was going to be arrested. Yeah, we're out of order!

01:51:11 Speaker_00
But this actually made Rhea believe Cecilia more because she remembered Cecilia telling her that the satanic church would murder people than arrange for others to be accused.

01:51:22 Speaker_06
How fucking stupid are we? Why are we so fucking dumb?

01:51:27 Speaker_00
As far as Electus Perdeus went, they sent even more taunting text messages to the Overcomers, saying that Natasha didn't die praying, but had begged and squealed like a pig in the end. Rhea had also... Pigs can't beg. And we know that pigs can't beg.

01:51:43 Speaker_00
Alright? Because we see those YouTubes. Rhea was also told that she could have prevented all of this if she hadn't sent away the one person who could have helped. That person was, of course, Cecilia.

01:51:55 Speaker_00
As a consequence, Rhea cancelled all Know Your Enemy and Overcomers Through Christ meetings to try and protect her people.

01:52:01 Speaker_00
But once the first two murders were committed, it was off to the races for Cecilia and her crew, and nine more people would die before it was all over.

01:52:12 Speaker_00
And that's where we'll pick back up next week starting with the murder of a fucking priest For part three of the Kruger's Dorp cult murders.

01:52:22 Speaker_07
Dude, we just are getting to the gnarly shit It is going to be worse and worse as we go. It's gonna get nuttier as we go. Uh, they don't get brighter Nope, electus per deus.

01:52:33 Speaker_05
Also, it's just like there was a crazy murder. Don't split up Everyone stay together! Now's the time to bend!

01:52:41 Speaker_00
I think you're right. Yeah, you're right. But no, that's what they decided to do.

01:52:44 Speaker_07
But that's why you weren't an electus per deus, Eddie. Because you weren't electus per deus material.

01:52:48 Speaker_05
I was talking about the overcomers!

01:52:50 Speaker_00
Either way. You're not a joiner. You're not an overcomer. You're not a joiner.

01:52:53 Speaker_05
Just a regular comer. I'm a dribbler. Actually sounds like a South African last name.

01:53:01 Speaker_00
That's an Afrikaans name. Hello, my name is Gert. Just a comer. That's true. Great joke, Marcus. Thank you. Really good work. Thank you. Thank you so much.

01:53:24 Speaker_07
Wow, we really got him this time, huh? Yeah.

01:53:26 Speaker_00
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01:53:38 Speaker_00
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01:53:44 Speaker_00
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01:53:52 Speaker_05
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01:53:56 Speaker_00
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01:54:04 Speaker_05
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01:54:09 Speaker_07
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01:54:15 Speaker_00
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01:54:30 Speaker_07
You'll know because it'll get cold. Then it gets warm again. Thank you, fuckers. And hail Satan, the real Satan, if we could. And now game.

01:54:42 Speaker_05
Okay, Yonker Donker. Hail Yonker Donker.

01:54:45 Speaker_07
Oh, Yonker Donker was bad. Bad guy.

01:54:47 Speaker_02
Great name.

01:54:48 Speaker_07
Yeah, you're allowed just the sounds. He's allowed to hail just the sounds of Yonker Donker.

01:54:53 Speaker_00
Sounds Yonker Donker, yeah.