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Episode: Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024

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Duration: 01:04:17

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(0:00) Announcement from Friedberg (0:24) Besties intro Elon Musk! (1:23) The Battle of Free Speech (10:24) Potential government efficiency agency (27:45) SpaceX updates, overreaching regulations (36:10) Thoughts on Boeing's culture (38:27) The 80/20 AI Future (54:03) Elon and Jason share unaired SNL skits Follow Elon: https://x.com/elonmusk Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath

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In this episode of the All-In Podcast, Elon Musk discusses critical global issues regarding free speech, emphasizing the threats posed by authoritarian regimes and the importance of upholding the First Amendment. He delves into the need for deregulation in the U.S. to promote efficiency and innovation, using examples from California and Texas. Musk proposes a gradual reduction in government spending and highlights SpaceX's advancements and the future potential of AI and robotics, including the development of humanoid robots. Lastly, he reflects humorously on his SNL hosting experience, sharing behind-the-scenes anecdotes.

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00:00:00 Speaker_07
Hey, everybody, Friedberg here, what you're about to hear is a discussion from our all in summit record in LA on September 9, we're going to publish some of the best conversations once a week.

00:00:10 Speaker_07
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00:00:27 Speaker_02
I'm gonna take this.

00:00:42 Speaker_06
All right.

00:00:43 Speaker_09
Thanks for taking the time.

00:00:51 Speaker_10
How are you doing, brother? You keep him busy?

00:00:57 Speaker_03
Yeah. I mean... It's rarely a slow week. I mean, in the world as well. I mean, any given week, it just seems like the thing's getting out of here.

00:01:11 Speaker_10
It's definitely a simulation. We've agreed on this at this point.

00:01:15 Speaker_03
I mean... Well, if we are in some alien Netflix series, I think the ratings are high.

00:01:20 Speaker_10
Yes, the ratings are high. How are the freedom of speech wars going? You've been at war for two years now.

00:01:34 Speaker_03
Yes.

00:01:35 Speaker_10
The price of freedom of speech is not cheap, is it?

00:01:38 Speaker_03
I think it's like $44 billion, something like that. Round numbers.

00:01:42 Speaker_02
Give or take a billion?

00:01:44 Speaker_03
Yeah, round numbers. It's pretty nutty. There is this weird movement to quell free speech around the world. And this is something we should be very concerned about. You have to ask, why was the First Amendment a high priority? It was number one.

00:02:06 Speaker_03
Number one. People came from countries where if you spoke freely, you would be imprisoned or killed. And they were like, well, we'd like to not have that here. Because that was terrible.

00:02:23 Speaker_03
And actually, there's a lot of places in the world right now, if you're critical of the government, you get imprisoned or killed. We'd like to not have that. I mean, I suspect this is a receptive audience to that message.

00:02:49 Speaker_04
I think we always thought that the West was the exception to that, that we knew there were authoritarian places around the world, but we thought that in the West, we'd have freedom of speech.

00:02:57 Speaker_04
And we've seen, like you said, it seems like a global movement. In Britain, you've got Teenagers being put in prison for memes.

00:03:05 Speaker_03
Yes posing. It's like you like to you like to Facebook post throw him in the prison. Yeah You know prison for like like obscure comments on social media not even shit posting like not even What is the

00:03:29 Speaker_04
Massive crime that all right Pavel in France and then of course we got Brazil with judge Voldemort That that one seems like the one that impacts you the most. Can you what's the latest on that?

00:03:45 Speaker_03
Well, we I guess we are trying to figure out is there some some reasonable solution in Brazil the You know, the concern, I mean, I want to just make sure that this is framed correctly.

00:04:02 Speaker_03
And, you know, funny names aside, the nature of the concern was that, at least at ExCorp, we had the perception that we were being asked to do things that violated Brazilian law.

00:04:17 Speaker_03
So, obviously, we cannot, as an American company, impose American laws and values on other countries. We wouldn't get very far if we did that.

00:04:33 Speaker_03
think that if a country's laws are a particular way, and we're being asked to, we think we're being asked to break them, and be silent about it, then obviously that is no good.

00:04:46 Speaker_03
So I just want to be clear, sometimes it comes across as Elon's trying to just be a crazy, whatever, billionaire, and demand outrageous things from other countries. You know, well, that is true.

00:05:03 Speaker_03
In addition, there are other things that I think are, you know, valid, which is like, we obviously can't, you know, I think any given thing that we do at X Corp, we've got to be able to explain in light of day and not feel that it was dishonorable or, you know,

00:05:33 Speaker_03
we did the wrong thing. That's the nature of the concern. We actually are in discussions with the judicial authorities in Brazil to try to run this to ground. What's actually going on? If we're being asked to break the law,

00:05:59 Speaker_03
Brazilian law, then that obviously should not sit well with the Brazilian judiciary. And if we're not, and we're mistaken, we'd like to understand how we're mistaken. I think that's a pretty reasonable position.

00:06:13 Speaker_10
I'm a bit concerned, as your friend, that you're going to go to one of these countries, and I'm going to wake up one day, and you're going to get arrested, and I'm going to have to go bail you out or something. This feels very acute.

00:06:27 Speaker_01
Yes.

00:06:27 Speaker_10
I mean, it's not a joke now. Like, they're literally saying, like, you know, it's not just Biden saying, like, we have to look into that guy.

00:06:34 Speaker_10
Now it's become quite literal, like, this, I don't know, who was the guy who just wrote the, was it the Guardian piece about, like?

00:06:41 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, yeah. There have been three articles in, I think, in the past three weeks. Robert Reich. But it wasn't just him. It was three different articles. Three different articles, yeah.

00:06:51 Speaker_10
That doesn't, that's a trend.

00:06:54 Speaker_03
Calling for me to be imprisoned. in the guardian, you know. Guardian of what? Guardian of, I don't know. Authoritarianism?

00:07:06 Speaker_01
Yeah, guardian of, yeah. Censorship? Censorship.

00:07:11 Speaker_10
But the premise here is that you bought this thing, this online forum, this communication platform, and you're allowing people to use it to express themselves. Therefore, you have to be jailed. I don't understand the logic here.

00:07:27 Speaker_10
What do you think they're actually afraid of at this point? What's the motivation here?

00:07:35 Speaker_03
If somebody's sort of trying to push a false premise on the world, and that premise can be undermined with public dialogue, then they will be opposed to public dialogue on that premise, because they wish that false premise to prevail.

00:07:51 Speaker_03
So that's, I think, the issue there is, if they don't like the truth, then we want to suppress it. Now, the sort of,

00:08:04 Speaker_03
But what we're trying to do with XCorp is, I distinguish that from my son, who's also called X. You have parental goals, and then you have goals for the company. Everything's just called X, basically. It's a very difficult disambiguation.

00:08:21 Speaker_10
The car, the son.

00:08:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's X everything. So what we're trying to do is simply adhere to the you know, the laws in a country. So if something is illegal in the United States or if it's illegal in Europe or

00:08:41 Speaker_03
Brazil or wherever it might be, then we will take it down and we'll suspend the account because we're not there to make the laws. But if speech is not illegal, then what are we doing?

00:08:55 Speaker_03
Okay, now we're injecting ourselves in as a censor, and where does it stop? And who decides? And where does that path lead? I think it leads to a bad place. If the people in a country want the laws to be different, they should make the laws different.

00:09:16 Speaker_03
But otherwise, we're going to obey the law in each jurisdiction.

00:09:21 Speaker_10
Right.

00:09:22 Speaker_03
That's it. It's not more complicated than that. We're not trying to flout the law. I want to be clear about that. We're trying to adhere to the law. And if laws change, we will change. And if the laws don't change, we won't.

00:09:32 Speaker_03
We're just literally trying to adhere to the law.

00:09:35 Speaker_10
It's pretty straightforward.

00:09:36 Speaker_03
Yes, it's very straightforward. And if somebody thinks we're not adhering to the law, well, they can file a lawsuit. Bingo.

00:09:43 Speaker_10
Also very straightforward.

00:09:44 Speaker_03
Yes.

00:09:45 Speaker_10
I mean, there are European countries that don't want people to promote Nazi propaganda.

00:09:49 Speaker_03
Yes.

00:09:49 Speaker_10
They have some sensitivity to it.

00:09:50 Speaker_03
Well, it is illegal. It is illegal in those countries.

00:09:53 Speaker_10
And in those countries, if somebody puts that up, you take it down.

00:09:56 Speaker_03
Yes.

00:09:57 Speaker_10
But they typically file something and say, take this down.

00:10:00 Speaker_03
No, in some cases, it is just obviously illegal. Like, you don't need to file a lawsuit for if something is just unequivocally illegal, we can literally read the law, this violates the law, anyone can see that.

00:10:16 Speaker_03
You don't need, if somebody is stealing, you don't need, let me check the law on that. They're stealing stuff.

00:10:23 Speaker_06
Let's talk about it. We had JD Vance here this morning. He did a great job. And one of the things is there's this image on X of basically you, Bobby, Trump and JD are like the Avengers, I guess.

00:10:40 Speaker_06
And then there's another meme where you're in front of a desk where it says, D-O-G-E, the Department of Governmental Efficiency.

00:10:47 Speaker_03
Yes, yes. I posted that one. Tell us about it. I made it using Grok, the Grok image generator. And I posted it.

00:10:56 Speaker_00
Tell us about it.

00:10:56 Speaker_03
And put it to my profile.

00:10:57 Speaker_06
Seek for efficiency. How do you even do it?

00:11:04 Speaker_00
Well, I mean,

00:11:11 Speaker_03
I think with great difficulty. But it's been a long time since there was a serious effort to reduce the size of government and to remove absurd regulations.

00:11:24 Speaker_03
And the last time there was a really concerted effort on that front was Reagan in the early 80s. So we're 40 years away from a serious effort to remove regulations that don't serve the greater good and reduce the size of government.

00:11:42 Speaker_03
And I think it's just, if we don't do that, then what's happening is that we get regulations and laws accumulating every year until eventually everything's illegal. And that's why we can't get major infrastructure projects done in the United States.

00:11:57 Speaker_03
Like, if you look at the absurdity of the California high-speed rail, I think they've spent $7 billion and have a 1,600-foot segment that doesn't actually have rail in it. I mean, your tax dollars at work, I mean... Yeah, what are we doing?

00:12:10 Speaker_03
That's the expense of $1,600 a feet of concrete, you know? And I mean, I think it's like, you know, I realize sometimes I'm perhaps a little optimistic with schedules, but... I mean, I wouldn't be doing the things I'm doing if I was, you know,

00:12:31 Speaker_03
not an optimist. But at the current trend, California high-speed rail might finish sometime next century. Maybe, but probably not.

00:12:44 Speaker_10
We'll have teleportation by that time.

00:12:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, exactly. AI do everything at that point. So I think you really think of the United States, and many countries, it's arguably worse than the EU, as being like Gulliver tied down by a million little strings.

00:13:04 Speaker_03
And like any one given regulation is not that bad, but you've got a million of them, or millions actually. And then eventually you just can't get anything done. And this is a massive tax on the consumer, on the people.

00:13:21 Speaker_03
It's just they don't realize that there's this massive tax in the form of irrational regulations.

00:13:28 Speaker_03
I'm going to give you a recent example that is just insane, is that SpaceX was fined by the EPA $140,000 for, they claimed, dumping potable water on the ground, drinking water. And we're like, this is at Starbase.

00:13:47 Speaker_03
And we're like, we're in a tropical thunderstorm region. That stuff comes from the sky all the time. And there was no actual harm done. It was just water to cool the launch pad during liftoff. And there's zero harm done.

00:14:04 Speaker_03
And they're like, they agree, yes, there's zero harm done. And we're like, okay, so there's no harm done. And you want us to pay $140,000 fine? It's like, yes, because you didn't have a permit.

00:14:15 Speaker_03
Okay, we didn't know there was a permit needed for zero harm, fresh water being on the ground in a place where fresh water falls from the sky all the time.

00:14:24 Speaker_09
Got it. Next to the ocean. Next to the ocean. Because there's a little bit of water there, too.

00:14:29 Speaker_03
Yeah. I mean, sometimes it rains so much, the roads are flooded. So we're like, you know, how does this make any sense?

00:14:37 Speaker_09
Yeah.

00:14:38 Speaker_03
And then they were like, well, we're not going to process any more of your applications for launch, for Starship launch, unless you pay this $140,000. They just ransomed us. And we're like, OK. So we paid $140,000. But it's like, this is no good.

00:14:52 Speaker_03
I mean, at this rate, we're never going to get to Mars.

00:14:55 Speaker_10
I mean, that's the... That's the confounding part here, is we're acting against our own self-interest. You know, when you look at, we do have to make, putting aside fresh water, but hey, you know, the rocket makes a lot of noise.

00:15:11 Speaker_10
So I'm certain there's some complaints about noise once in a while, but sometimes you want to have a party, or you want to make progress, and there's a little bit of noise, therefore, you know, we trade off a little bit of noise for massive progress, or even fun.

00:15:26 Speaker_10
When did we stop being able to make those trade-offs? But talk about the difference between California and Texas, where you and I now reside. Texas, you were able to build the Gigafactory. I remember when you got the plot of land.

00:15:41 Speaker_10
It seemed like it was less than two years when you had the party to open it.

00:15:46 Speaker_03
Yeah. From start of construction, to completion was 14 months. 14 months.

00:15:54 Speaker_10
Is there anywhere on the planet that would go faster? Is like China faster than that?

00:15:58 Speaker_03
China was 11 months.

00:16:00 Speaker_10
Got it. So Texas, China, 11 and 14 months. California, how many months?

00:16:06 Speaker_03
And just to give you a sense of size, the Tesla Gigafactory in China is three times the size of the Pentagon.

00:16:13 Speaker_10
Which was the biggest building in America?

00:16:14 Speaker_03
No, there were bigger buildings, but the Pentagon's a pretty big one.

00:16:16 Speaker_10
Yeah, or it was the biggest at the time.

00:16:18 Speaker_03
In units of Pentagon, it's like three.

00:16:20 Speaker_10
Okay, three Pentagons and counting. Yeah.

00:16:24 Speaker_03
Got it. In 14 months. Just the regulatory approvals in California would have taken two years. So that's the issue.

00:16:36 Speaker_06
Where do you think the regulation helps? Like for the people that will say, we need some checks and balances. We can't have some, because for every good actor like you, there'll be a bad actor. So where is that line?

00:16:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, I have a sort of, you know, in sort of doing sensible deregulation and

00:16:56 Speaker_03
reduction in the size of government is just like be very public about it and say like, which of these rules do you, if the public is really excited about a rule and wants to keep it, we'll just keep it.

00:17:07 Speaker_03
And here the thing about the rules, if like, if the rule is, you know, turns out to be a bad, we'll just put it right back. Okay, and then, you know, problem solved.

00:17:16 Speaker_03
It's like, it's easy to add rules, but we don't actually have a process for getting rid of them. That's the issue. There's no garbage collection for rules.

00:17:25 Speaker_10
When we were watching you work, David and I and Antonio, in that first month at Twitter, which was all hands on deck, and you were doing zero-based budgeting,

00:17:37 Speaker_10
Really quickly got the cost under control and then miraculously everybody said this site will go down and you added 50 more features So maybe yeah, because this is the first time they were like so many articles like the that this is Coder is dead forever.

00:17:54 Speaker_03
There's no way it could possibly even exist continue at all.

00:17:57 Speaker_04
It was almost like the press was rooting for you to fail.

00:17:59 Speaker_03
It's like RIP, let's write the obituary. Here's the obituary.

00:18:01 Speaker_04
They were all saying their goodbyes on Twitter, remember that? Yeah, yeah. They were all leaving and saying their goodbyes because the site was going to melt down. Yes, totally failing.

00:18:09 Speaker_10
All the journalists left. Which is, if you ever want to hang out with a bunch of hall monitors, oh my god, Threads is amazing. Every time I go over there and post, they're like,

00:18:21 Speaker_03
They're really triggered, but... Yeah, I mean, if you like being condemned repeatedly, then, you know, for reasons that make no sense, then Threads is the way to go.

00:18:29 Speaker_10
Yeah, it's really... It's the most miserable place on earth. Disney's the happiest. This is the anti-Disney. But if we were to go into government, you went into the Department of Education or... Pick the department.

00:18:41 Speaker_10
You've worked with a lot of them, actually. Sure. You can't go in there and zero-based budget. Okay, we get it. If you could just pair 2, 3, 4, 5% of those organizations, what kind of impact would that have?

00:18:57 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, I think we'd need to do more than that.

00:18:59 Speaker_10
Ideally, but compounding every year, 2, 3% a year, I mean, it would be better than what's happening now.

00:19:08 Speaker_03
Yeah, look, I think we've, you know,

00:19:15 Speaker_03
If Trump wins, and I suspect there are people with mixed feelings about whether that should happen, but we do have an opportunity to do kind of a once-in-a-lifetime deregulation and reduction in the size of government.

00:19:30 Speaker_03
Because the other thing, besides the regulations, America is also going bankrupt extremely quickly. And everyone seems to be sort of whistling past the graveyard on this one.

00:19:43 Speaker_08
They're all grabbing the silverware. Everyone's stuffing their pockets in the silverware before the Titanic sinks.

00:19:51 Speaker_03
The Defense Department budget is a very big budget. It's a trillion dollars a year, DOD Intel, it's a trillion dollars. And interest payments on the national debt just exceeded the Defense Department budget.

00:20:07 Speaker_03
They're over a trillion dollars a year just in interest and rising. we're adding a trillion dollars to our debt, which our kids and grandkids are gonna have to pay somehow, every three months.

00:20:25 Speaker_03
And then soon it's gonna be every two months, and then every month. And then the only thing we'll be able to pay is interest. And it's just like a person at scale that has racked up too much credit card debt And this does not have a good ending.

00:20:48 Speaker_03
And so we have to reduce the spending.

00:20:50 Speaker_08
Let me ask one question, because I've brought this up a lot in the counter argument I hear, which I disagree with.

00:20:56 Speaker_08
But the counter argument I hear from a lot of politicians is if we reduce spending, because right now if you add up federal, state, and local government spending, it's between 40% and 50% of GDP.

00:21:08 Speaker_08
So nearly half of our economy is supported by government spending and nearly half of people in the United States are dependent directly or indirectly on government checks.

00:21:18 Speaker_08
And either through contractors that the government pays or they're employed by government entity. So if you go in and you take too hard an ax too fast, you will have significant contraction, job loss and recession. What's the balancing act, Elon?

00:21:34 Speaker_08
Just thinking realistically, because I'm 100% on board with you. The next set of steps, however, assume Trump wins and you become the chief DOGE, DO, like double G. Yeah, and I think the challenge is how quickly can we go in?

00:21:57 Speaker_08
How quickly can things change? And without... I'll let that on my business card. Without all the contraction and job loss.

00:22:10 Speaker_08
So I guess, how do you really address it when so much of the economy and so many people's jobs and livelihoods are dependent on government spending?

00:22:17 Speaker_03
Well, I do think it's sort of... You know, it's a false dichotomy. It's not like no government spending is gonna happen. You really have to say, like, is it the right level? And just remember that.

00:22:33 Speaker_03
You know, any given person, if they are doing things in a less efficient organization versus a more efficient organization, their contribution to the economy, their net output of goods and services will reduce.

00:22:45 Speaker_03
I mean, you've got a couple of clear examples between East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea. I mean, North Korea, they're starving. South Korea, it's like amazing. It's the future.

00:22:56 Speaker_08
It's the compounding effect of productivity gains. Yeah.

00:22:59 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's night and day. And so in North Korea, you've got 100% government. In South Korea, you've got probably, I don't know, 40% government. It's not zero. And yet you've got a standard of living that is probably 10 times higher in South Korea.

00:23:12 Speaker_03
At least. At least, exactly. And then East and West Germany, in West Germany, just thinking in terms of cars, I mean, you had BMW, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes. And East Germany, which is a random line on a map,

00:23:31 Speaker_03
The only car you could get was a Trabant, which is basically a lawnmower with a shell on it. And it was extremely unsafe. There was a 20-year wait. So you put your kid on the list as soon as they're conceived.

00:23:49 Speaker_03
And even then, only, I think, a quarter of people maybe got this lousy car. So that's just an interesting example of basically the same people, different operating system. And it's not like West Germany with some

00:24:06 Speaker_03
you know, a capitalist heaven, it was quite socialist actually. So when you look, you know, probably it was half government in West Germany and 100% government in East Germany. And again, sort of a five,

00:24:24 Speaker_03
Call it at least a five to 10x standard of living difference, and even qualitatively, vastly better. And it's obviously, so many people have these, amazingly in this modern era, this debate as to which system is better.

00:24:36 Speaker_03
Well, I'll tell you which system is better. The one that doesn't need to build the wall to keep people in, okay?

00:24:42 Speaker_01
That's how you can tell. It's a dead giveaway. Spoiler alert. Dead giveaway.

00:24:50 Speaker_10
Are they climbing the wall to get out or come in?

00:24:52 Speaker_03
You have to build a barrier to keep people in. That is the bad system. It wasn't West Berlin that built the wall, okay? They were like, you know, anyone who wants to flee West Berlin, go ahead.

00:25:06 Speaker_10
Speaking of walls.

00:25:07 Speaker_03
And if you look at sort of the flux of boats from Cuba, there's a large number of boats from Cuba, and there's a bunch of free boats that anyone can take to go back to Cuba. Plenty of seats. There's like, hey, wow, an abandoned boat.

00:25:24 Speaker_03
I could use this boat to go to Cuba, where they have communism. Awesome. And yet nobody picks up those boats and does it. Amazing. So. You've given this a lot of thought. Yeah.

00:25:37 Speaker_08
Wait, so your point is jobs will be created. If we cut government spending in half, jobs will be created fast enough to make up for, right, just to count.

00:25:44 Speaker_03
Yes, obviously, you know, I'm not suggesting that people, you know, have like immediately tossed out with no severance and, you know, now can't pay their mortgage. Then you see some reasonable off-ramp where.

00:25:58 Speaker_03
Yeah, so a reasonable off-ramp where they're still receiving money but have a year or two to find jobs in the private sector, which they will find, and then they will be in a different operating system. Again, you can see the difference.

00:26:14 Speaker_03
East Germany was incorporated into West Germany. Living standards in East Germany rose dramatically.

00:26:21 Speaker_10
Well, in four years, if you could shrink the size of the government with Trump, what would be a good target? Just in terms of, like, ballpark.

00:26:29 Speaker_03
I mean, are you trying to get me assassinated before this even happens?

00:26:34 Speaker_02
Pick a low number.

00:26:35 Speaker_03
I mean, you know, there's that old phrase, go postal. I mean, it's like they might.

00:26:38 Speaker_02
Yeah. So we'll keep the post office.

00:26:41 Speaker_03
I mean, I'm going to need a hell of a security detail, guys. I mean, the sheer number of disgruntled workers, former government employees is, you know, quite a scary number. I mean, I might not make it, you know.

00:26:54 Speaker_10
I was saying a low cut, low digits every year for four years would be palatable. Yeah, and I like your idea of an offer.

00:26:59 Speaker_03
But the thing is that if it's not done, like if you have a once in a lifetime, once in a generation opportunity, and you don't take serious action, and then You have four years to get it done.

00:27:12 Speaker_03
And if it doesn't get done, then... How serious is Trump about this?

00:27:17 Speaker_10
You've talked to him about it, yeah?

00:27:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think he is very serious about it. Got it. No, I think actually the reality is that if we get rid of nonsense regulations and shift people from the government sector to the private sector, we will have immense prosperity.

00:27:34 Speaker_03
And I think we will have a golden age in this country. It'll be fantastic.

00:27:40 Speaker_06
Can we talk about SpaceX? You have a bunch of critical milestones coming up.

00:27:48 Speaker_03
Yeah. In fact, there's a very exciting launch that is maybe happening tonight. So if the weather is holding up, then I'm going to leave here, head to Cape Canaveral. for the Polaris Dawn mission, which is a private mission funded by Jared Isaacman.

00:28:06 Speaker_03
And he's an awesome guy. And this will be the first commercial spacewalk. And it'll be at the highest altitude since Apollo. So it's the furthest from Earth that anyone's gone.

00:28:29 Speaker_06
And what comes after that? Let's assume that's successful.

00:28:32 Speaker_03
I sure hope so, man. No pressure. Astronaut safety is, man, if I had all the wishes I could say about, that would be the one to put on. So space is dangerous. Yeah, the next milestone after that would be the next flight of Starship.

00:29:07 Speaker_03
The next flight of Starship is ready to fly. We are waiting for regulatory approval. It really should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than paper can move from one desk to another.

00:29:34 Speaker_02
That snap is really hard. Approved.

00:29:38 Speaker_08
Yeah. You ever see that movie Zootopia?

00:29:40 Speaker_02
Approved.

00:29:40 Speaker_08
You ever see that movie Zootopia? There's like a sloth. He's coming in for the approval.

00:29:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, and then he accidentally tell a joke, and I was like, oh no, this is going to take a long time. Sorry, sorry. But yeah, Zootopia, you know, the funny thing is, so I went to the DMV about, I don't know,

00:30:03 Speaker_03
a year later after Zootopia, and to get my license renewal, and the guy, in an exercise of incredible self-awareness, had the sloth from Zootopia in his... In his cube? In his cube, and he was actually Swift.

00:30:19 Speaker_08
With the mandate, beat the sloth. Beat personal agency. Personal agency.

00:30:24 Speaker_03
No, I mean, sometimes people think the... you know, the government is more competent than it is. I'm not saying that there aren't competent people in the government, they're just in an operating system that is inefficient.

00:30:38 Speaker_03
Once you move them to a more efficient operating system, their output is dramatically greater, as we've seen, you know, when East Germany was reintegrated with West Germany and the same people were vastly more prosperous, with a basically half capitalist operating system.

00:30:57 Speaker_03
So, But I mean, for a lot of people, like the main most direct experience with the government is the DMV. And then the important thing to remember is that the government is the DMV at scale. Right. That's the government. Got the mental picture.

00:31:18 Speaker_03
How much do you want to scale it?

00:31:22 Speaker_08
Yeah. Sorry, can you go back to Chamath's question on Starship? So you announced just the other day Starship going to Mars in two years. Yeah, by the way.

00:31:34 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:35 Speaker_08
And then four years for a crude aspirational launch in the next window. And how much is the government involved?

00:31:42 Speaker_03
I'm not saying say you're watched by these. But based on our current progress with Starship, we were able to successfully reach Oval of Velocity twice. We were able to achieve soft landings of the booster and the ship in the water.

00:32:01 Speaker_03
And that's despite the ship having half its flaps cooked off. You can see the video on VX Platform, it's quite exciting. So, you know, we think we'll be able to launch reliably and repeatedly and quite quickly.

00:32:17 Speaker_03
And the fundamental Holy Grail breakthrough for rocketry, the fundamental breakthrough that is needed for life to become multi-planetary is a rapidly reusable, reliable rocket. With a pirate somehow. I'll throw a pirate in there.

00:32:42 Speaker_03
Starship is the first rocket design where success is one of the possible outcomes with full reusability. So for any given project, you have to say, this is the circle, so we'll write a Venn diagram.

00:32:58 Speaker_03
Here's the circle, and it is success, the success dot in the circle, is success in the set of possible outcomes. That sounds pretty obvious, but there are often projects where success is not in the set of possible outcomes. And so Starship,

00:33:19 Speaker_03
Not only is full reusability in the set of possible outcomes, it is being proven with each launch. And I'm confident we'll succeed. It's simply a matter of time.

00:33:30 Speaker_03
And if we can get some improvement in the speed of regulation, we could actually move a lot faster. That would be very helpful. And in fact, if something isn't done about reducing regulation and sort of speeding up approvals.

00:33:54 Speaker_03
And to be clear, I'm not talking about anything unsafe. It's simply the processing of the safe thing can be done as fast as the rocket is built, not slower than...

00:34:06 Speaker_03
then we could become a space-faring civilization and a multi-planet species and be out there among the stars in the future.

00:34:19 Speaker_03
It's incredibly important that we have things that we find inspiring, that you look to the future and say the future is going to be better than the past, things to look forward to. Kids are a good...

00:34:35 Speaker_03
a good way to assess this, like what are kids fired up about? And if you could say, you could be an astronaut on Mars. You could maybe one day go beyond the solar system. We could make Star Trek, Starfleet Academy real. That is an exciting future.

00:34:56 Speaker_03
That is inspiring. I mean, you need things that move your heart. Right. Life can't just be about solving one miserable problem after another. There's got to be things that you look forward to as well.

00:35:18 Speaker_10
Yeah. And do you think you might have to move it to a different jurisdiction to move faster?

00:35:24 Speaker_03
I've always wondered if like... Iraqi technology is considered advanced weapons technology, so we can't just go do it, you know.

00:35:31 Speaker_10
In another country?

00:35:32 Speaker_03
Yes.

00:35:32 Speaker_10
Yeah, interesting. And if we don't do it, other countries could do it. I mean, they're so far behind us, but theoretically, there is a national security, you know, justification here.

00:35:44 Speaker_10
If somebody can put their thinking caps on, like, do we want to have this technology that you're building, the team's working so hard on, stolen by other countries, and then, you know, maybe they don't have as much red tape.

00:35:55 Speaker_03
I wish people were trying to steal it. So, no one's trying to steal it. It's just too... This is just too crazy, basically And that's for you, yeah, it's way too easy.

00:36:10 Speaker_06
You know, what do you think is going on that led to Boeing? Building the star line the way that they did they were able to get it up But not complete but can't complete they can't finish I'm gonna have to go up and finish Um

00:36:35 Speaker_03
Well, I mean, I think Boeing is a company that is, they actually do so much business with the government, they have sort of impedance matched to the government. So they're like basically one notch away from the government, maybe two.

00:36:49 Speaker_03
They're not far from the government from an efficiency standpoint, because they derive so much of their revenue from the government. And a lot of people think, well, SpaceX is super dependent on the government.

00:36:58 Speaker_03
And actually, no, most of our revenue is commercial. And there's been, I think, at least up until perhaps recently, because I have a new CEO who actually shows up in the factory.

00:37:17 Speaker_03
And the CEO before that, I think, had a degree in accounting and never went to the factory and didn't know how airplanes flew.

00:37:26 Speaker_03
So I think if you are in charge of a company that makes airplanes fly and spacecraft go to orbit, then it can't be a total mystery as to how they work.

00:37:45 Speaker_03
I'm like, sure, if somebody's running Coke or Pepsi and they're great at marketing or whatever, that's fine, because it's not a technology-dependent business.

00:37:58 Speaker_03
Or if they're running financial consulting and their degree's in accounting, that makes sense. But I think if you're the cavalry captain, you should know how to ride a horse.

00:38:10 Speaker_10
Pretty basic. Yeah.

00:38:13 Speaker_03
Yeah. It's like it's disconcerting if the cowboy captain just pulls up the horse. He's not going to inspire the team. I'm sorry. I'm scared of horses. He gets on backwards. I'm like, oops.

00:38:28 Speaker_04
Shifting gears to AI, Peter was here earlier and he was talking about how so far the only company to really make money off AI is NVIDIA with the chips. Do you have a sense yet of where you think the big applications will be from AI?

00:38:42 Speaker_04
Is it going to be enabling self-driving? Is it going to be enabling robots? Is it transforming industries? I mean, it's still, I think, early in terms of where the big business impact is going to be. Do you have a sense yet?

00:39:06 Speaker_03
I mean, I think the spending on AI probably runs ahead of, I mean, it does run ahead of the revenue right now. There's no question about that. But the rate of improvement of AI is faster than any technology I've ever seen by far.

00:39:24 Speaker_03
And it's, I mean, like, for example, the Turing test used to be a thing. now your basic open source random LLM writing on a frigging Raspberry Pi probably could beat the Turing test.

00:39:46 Speaker_03
So there's, I think actually, the good future of AI is one of immense prosperity where there is an age of abundance, no shortage of goods and services.

00:40:07 Speaker_03
Everyone can have whatever they want, unless, except for things we artificially define to be scarce, like some special artwork.

00:40:16 Speaker_03
But anything that is a manufactured good or provided service will, I think, with the advent of AI plus robotics, that the cost of goods and services will be, trend to zero.

00:40:31 Speaker_03
I'm not saying it'll be actually zero, but it'll be, everyone will be able to have anything they want. That's the good future. Of course, in my view, that's probably 80% likely. So look on the bright side.

00:40:45 Speaker_03
Only 20%, 20% probability of annihilation, nothing. Is the 20%, what does that look like? No, man. I mean, frankly, I do have to go engage in some degree of deliberate suspension of disbelief with respect to AI in order to sleep well.

00:41:06 Speaker_03
And even then, because I think the actual issue, the most likely issue is like, well, how do we find meaning in a world where AI can do everything we can do, but better? That is perhaps the bigger challenge. Although,

00:41:23 Speaker_03
At this point, I know more and more people who are retired and they seem to enjoy that life. But I think that maybe there'll be some crisis of meaning, because the computer can do everything you can do but better, so maybe that'll be a challenge.

00:41:42 Speaker_03
But really, you need the sort of end effectors. be autonomous cars and you need the humanoid robots or general purpose robots. But once you have general purpose humanoid robots and autonomous vehicles, really you can build anything.

00:42:09 Speaker_03
And I think that there's no actual limit to the size of the economy. I mean, there's obviously, you know, the mass of Earth, you know, like that would be one limit.

00:42:19 Speaker_03
But, you know, the economy is really just the average productivity per person times number of people. That's the economy. And if you've got humanoid robots that can do, you know, where there's no real limit on the number of humanoid robots,

00:42:37 Speaker_03
and they can operate very intelligently, then there's no actual limit to the economy, there's no meaningful limit to the economy.

00:42:45 Speaker_06
You guys just turned on Colossus, which is like the largest private compute cluster, I guess, of GPUs anywhere.

00:42:53 Speaker_03
Is that right? It's the most powerful supercomputer of any kind.

00:42:58 Speaker_06
which sort of speaks to what David said and kind of what Peter said, which is a lot of the kind of economic value so far of AI has entirely gone to NVIDIA. But there are people with alternatives and you're actually one with an alternative.

00:43:12 Speaker_06
Now you have a very specific case because Dojo is really about images and large images, huge video.

00:43:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, the Tesla problem is different from the you know, the sort of LLM problem.

00:43:27 Speaker_03
The nature of the intelligence actually is actually, and what matters in the AI is different to the point you just made, which is that in Tesla's case, the context length is very long. So we've got gigabytes of context. Gigabytes of context, yeah.

00:43:44 Speaker_03
Yeah, you've got, you know, sort of. I was just bringing it up. It's kind of billions of tokens of context, nutty amount of context because you've got,

00:43:54 Speaker_03
seven cameras, and if you've got several, let's say you've got a minute of several high-def cameras, then that's gigabytes.

00:44:02 Speaker_03
So you need to compress, so the Tesla problem is you've got to compress a gigantic context into the pixels that actually matter.

00:44:14 Speaker_03
you know, and condense that over a time, so you've got to, in both the time dimension and the space dimension, you've got to compress the pixels in space and the pixels in time, and then have that inference done on a tiny computer, relatively speaking, a small one,

00:44:35 Speaker_03
like a few hundred watts. It's a Tesla designed AI inference computer, which is by the way still the best. There isn't a better thing we could buy from suppliers.

00:44:45 Speaker_03
So the Tesla designed AI inference computer that's in the cars is better than anything we could buy from any supplier. Just by the way, that's kind of a... The Tesla AI chip team is extremely good.

00:44:57 Speaker_06
You guys in the design, there was a technical paper and there was a deck that somebody on your team from Tesla published, and it was stunning to me. You designed your own transport control layer over Ethernet.

00:45:08 Speaker_06
You were like, oh, Ethernet's not good enough for us. You had this TT-COE or something, and you're like, oh, we're just going to reinvent Ethernet and string these chips. It's pretty incredible stuff that's happening over there.

00:45:19 Speaker_03
No, the Tesla chip design team is extremely good.

00:45:27 Speaker_06
But is there a world where, for example, other people over time that need some sort of video use case or image use case could theoretically, you'd say, oh, why not? I have some extra cycles over here.

00:45:37 Speaker_06
So it should kind of make you a competitor of NVIDIA. It's not intentionally, per se, but.

00:45:44 Speaker_03
Yeah. There's this training and inference, and we do have those two projects at Tesla. We've got Dojo, which is the training computer, and then our inference chip, which is in every car, inference computer. At Dojo, we've only had Dojo 1.

00:46:07 Speaker_03
Dojo 2 is, we should have Dojo 2 in volume towards the end of next year. And that will be, we think, sort of comparable to sort of a B200 type system, a training system.

00:46:26 Speaker_03
And, you know, so there's, I guess there's some potential for that to be used as a service. But like, you know, Dojo is just kind of like, I mean, I guess I have like some, improved confidence in Dojo.

00:46:49 Speaker_03
But I think we won't really know how good Dojo is until probably version three. It usually takes three major iterations on a technology for it to be excellent. And we'll only have the second major iteration next year.

00:47:03 Speaker_03
The third iteration, I don't know, maybe late, you know, 26 or something like that.

00:47:11 Speaker_10
Yeah, how's the optimist project going? I remember we talked last You said it's publicly that it's in doing some light testing inside the factory Yeah, it's actually being useful.

00:47:23 Speaker_10
What's the build of materials and when you know for something like that at scale?

00:47:27 Speaker_10
So when you start making it like you're making the model three now and there's a million of them coming off the factory line What would the they cost twenty thirty forty thousand dollars you think?

00:47:36 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean what I'm going to discover that really that you know, anything made in sufficient volume will asymptotically approach the cost of its materials.

00:47:48 Speaker_03
So now there's, I should say there's, so some things are constrained by the cost of intellectual property and like paying for patents and stuff. So a lot of, you know, what's in a chip is like paying royalties and depreciation of the chip fab.

00:48:04 Speaker_03
So, but the actual marginal cost of the chips is very low. So Optimus, obviously, is a humanoid robot. It weighs much less and is much smaller than a car. So you could expect that in high volume.

00:48:20 Speaker_03
And I'd say that you also probably need three production versions of Optimus. So you need to refine the design at least three major times. And then you need to scale production to sort of the million unit plus per year level.

00:48:39 Speaker_03
And I think at that point, the labor and materials on Optimus is probably not much more than $10,000.

00:48:50 Speaker_10
And that's a decade-long journey, maybe?

00:48:53 Speaker_03
Basically, think of it like Optimus will cost less than a small car.

00:49:00 Speaker_01
Right.

00:49:00 Speaker_03
So at scale volume with three major iterations of technology, and so if a small car It costs $25,000. It's probably like $20,000 for an optimist, for a humanoid robot that can be your buddy, like a combination of R2-D2 and C3PO, but better.

00:49:22 Speaker_03
Honestly, I think people are going to get really attached to their humanoid robot, because you watch Star Wars and it's like R2-D2 and C3PO, I love those guys. They're awesome. And their personality, and I mean, all R2 could do is just beep at you.

00:49:43 Speaker_03
Can't speak English. You need C3PO to translate the beeps.

00:49:48 Speaker_10
So you're in year two of that, if you did two or three years per iteration or something. It's a decade long journey for this to hit some sort of scale.

00:49:57 Speaker_03
I would say major iterations are less than two years. So it's probably on the order of five years. maybe six to get to a million units a year.

00:50:10 Speaker_10
And at that price point, everybody can afford one on planet Earth. I mean, it's going to be that one-to-one, two-to-one. What do you think ultimately, if we're sitting here in 30 years, the number of robots on the planet versus humans?

00:50:23 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think the number of robots will vastly exceed the number of humans. Vastly, yeah. Vastly exceed. I mean, you have to say, who would not want their robot buddy? Everyone wants a robot buddy. Totally.

00:50:36 Speaker_03
You know, this is like, especially if it can, you know, it can take care of your, take your dog for a walk, it could, you know. mow the lawn, it could watch your kids, it could teach your kids, it could... We could also send it to Mars.

00:50:55 Speaker_03
Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:56 Speaker_08
We could send a lot of robots to Mars to do the work needed to make it a colonized planet for humans.

00:51:01 Speaker_03
Mars is already a robot planet. There's a whole bunch of robots, like rovers and helicopters. It's only robots. Yes, only robots. No, I think the sort of useful humanoid robot opportunity is the single biggest opportunity ever.

00:51:25 Speaker_03
Because if you assume like, I mean, the ratio of humanoid robots to humans is going to be at least two to one, maybe three to one.

00:51:33 Speaker_03
Because everybody will want one, and then there'll be a bunch of robots that you don't see that are making goods and services.

00:51:38 Speaker_06
And you think it's one generalized robot that then learns how to do different tasks? Yeah.

00:51:45 Speaker_03
I mean, we are a generalized robot. Yeah, we're a generalized non-robot. We're just made of meat. We're a meatbot, a generalized meatbot. Yeah, I mean, I'm operating my meat puppet, you know.

00:51:57 Speaker_03
So yeah, we are actually, and by the way, it turns out like as we're designing Optimus, we sort of learn more and more about why humans are shaped the way they're shaped.

00:52:09 Speaker_03
And you know, and why we have five fingers and why your little finger is smaller than your index finger.

00:52:16 Speaker_03
You know, obviously why you have opposable thumbs, but also why, for example, the muscles, the major muscles that operate your hand are actually in your forearm. and your fingers are primarily operated.

00:52:34 Speaker_03
The muscles that actuate your fingers are located, the vast majority of your finger strength is actually coming from your forearm. And your fingers are being operated by tendons, little strings.

00:52:49 Speaker_03
And so the current version of the Optimus hand has the actuators in the hand. and has only 11 degrees of freedom. So it doesn't have all the degrees of freedom of human hand, which has, depending on how you count it, roughly 25 degrees of freedom.

00:53:06 Speaker_03
And it's also not strong enough in certain ways because the actuators have to fit in the hand. So the next generation Optimus hand, which we have in prototype form, the actuators have moved to the forearm, just like a human,

00:53:24 Speaker_03
and they operate the fingers through cables, just like the human hand. And the next generation hand has 22 degrees of freedom, which we think is enough to do almost anything that a human can do.

00:53:42 Speaker_06
And presumably, I think it was written that

00:53:46 Speaker_06
X and Tesla may work together and provide services, but my immediate thought went to, oh, if you just provide a grok to the robot, then the robot has a personality and can process voice and video and images and all of that stuff. It's the UI.

00:54:02 Speaker_10
I think, you know, everybody talks about all the projects you're working on, but people don't know you have a great sense of humor.

00:54:09 Speaker_03
That's not true.

00:54:10 Speaker_10
Oh, you do, you do. People don't see it, but I would say, I know for me, the funniest week of my life, or one of the funniest, was when you did SNL and we got, and I got to tag along. Maybe you saw it.

00:54:24 Speaker_02
Maybe behind the scenes, like some of your funniest recollections of that chaotic, insane week when we laughed for 12 hours a day.

00:54:34 Speaker_03
It was a little terrorizing in the first couple of days, but... Yeah, I was a bit worried in the beginning there, because frankly, nothing was funny.

00:54:44 Speaker_02
Day one was rough.

00:54:46 Speaker_03
Rough. Yeah, so, I mean...

00:54:51 Speaker_06
Well, it's like a rule, but can't you guys just say it? Just say the stuff that got on the cutting... The funniest skits were the ones they didn't let you do.

00:54:58 Speaker_04
That's what I'm saying. Can you just say it?

00:54:59 Speaker_06
There were a couple of funny ones, yeah, that they didn't let you do.

00:55:01 Speaker_03
You can say it so that he doesn't get... I mean, how much time do we have here?

00:55:05 Speaker_10
We should just give him one or two, because it was... In your mind, which one do we regret most? Not getting on air.

00:55:15 Speaker_03
You really want to hear that? I mean.

00:55:18 Speaker_02
I mean, it was a little spicy. It was a little funny.

00:55:23 Speaker_03
OK.

00:55:26 Speaker_05
Here we go.

00:55:26 Speaker_03
All right. Here we go, guys. All right. So one of the things that I think everyone's been sort of wondering this whole time is, is Saturday Night Live actually live? Like live, live, live.

00:55:44 Speaker_03
Or do they have like a delay or like just in case, you know, there's a wardrobe malfunction or something like that. Is it like a, you know, five second delay? What's really going on? But there's a way to test this.

00:55:58 Speaker_01
Right. We came up with a way.

00:56:00 Speaker_03
There's a way to test this. Which is, we don't tell them what's going on. I walk on and say, this is the script. I'll throw it on the ground. We're going to find out tonight, right now, if Saturday Night Live is actually live.

00:56:18 Speaker_03
And the way that we're going to do this is I'm going to take my cock out.

00:56:28 Speaker_01
This is the greatest pitch ever. And if you see my cock, you know it's true.

00:56:39 Speaker_03
And if you don't, it's been a lie.

00:56:41 Speaker_10
A lie all these years.

00:56:43 Speaker_03
All these years. We're going to bust them right now.

00:56:47 Speaker_10
And this, we're pitching this.

00:56:49 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah. So we're pitching this on zoom. Yeah. We're pitching this on zoom on like a Monday after we're like, yeah, we're like kind of hung over for the weekend. And we're like pitching this at like noon.

00:56:58 Speaker_03
And, and, and it's, uh, it's, you know, Jason's on, um, Mike and you. Yeah, and Mike. You know, so I've essentially got my friends who I think are quite funny. Jason's quite funny.

00:57:13 Speaker_03
I think Jason's the closest thing to Cartman that exists in the real world.

00:57:19 Speaker_02
Yes. We have a joke going that he's Butters and I'm Cartman. Yeah.

00:57:26 Speaker_03
And my friend Mike's pretty funny too. So we come in like just like guns blazing with like ideas and we didn't realize like actually, you know, that's not how it works.

00:57:38 Speaker_03
And that's normally like actors and they just get told what to do and like, oh, you mean we can't just like, Do funny things that we thought of? What?

00:57:48 Speaker_10
They're watching this, and on the Zoom, they're aghast at Elon's pitch.

00:57:54 Speaker_01
Yeah, and it's silence. And I'm like, is this thing working? Is our mic on?

00:57:59 Speaker_03
And they're like, we hear you. And then after a long silence, Mike just says the word, crickets. And they're not even going to chuckle. I'm like, what's going on here?

00:58:12 Speaker_10
And then Elon explains the punchline, which is.

00:58:14 Speaker_01
Yes, exactly. So, there's more to it.

00:58:18 Speaker_03
Okay.

00:58:21 Speaker_01
That's just the beginning. So Elon says.

00:58:25 Speaker_03
So then I'm like, so I say like, I'm going to reach down. into my pants, and I stick my hand in my pants, and I'm gonna pull my cock out, and I tell this to the audience, and the audience is gonna be like, what? And then I pull out a baby rooster.

00:58:52 Speaker_03
You know? And it's like, okay, this is kind of PG. It's not that bad.

00:58:58 Speaker_01
This is my tiny cock.

00:59:06 Speaker_03
And it's like, what do you think? And do you think it's a nice cock? I mean, I like it.

00:59:14 Speaker_10
And then Kate McKinnon walks out. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, oh no, but you haven't heard half of it. So Kate McKinnon comes out. Yeah. And she says, Elon, I expected you would have a bigger cock.

00:59:25 Speaker_03
Yeah. I was like, I don't mean to disappoint you, Kate, but yeah, but I hope you like it anyway. But Kate's gotta come out with her cat, okay? And Kate says. You can see where this is going. And I say, wow, that's a nice pussy you've got there, Kate.

00:59:49 Speaker_03
Wow, that's amazing. It looks a little wet, was it raining outside? Do you mind if I stroke your pussy, is that cool? It's like, oh no, Elon, actually, can I hold your cock? Of course, Kate, you definitely hold my cock.

01:00:10 Speaker_03
And then we exchanged, and I think just the audio version of this was pretty good. And she was like, wow, I really like stroking your cock. And I was like, I...

01:00:26 Speaker_02
I'm really enjoying your pussy. Yes, of course and Yeah, so, you know Oh my god, what have we done inviting these lunatics on the program?

01:00:40 Speaker_00
Yeah, they said like well it is it is Mother's Day and

01:00:50 Speaker_03
I'm like, well, that's a good point. Well, it might be a bit uncomfortable for all the moms in the audience Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they'll dig it.

01:01:00 Speaker_10
Maybe like it so Yeah, that was That's the cold open that didn't make it. We didn't get that on the air. But we did fight for Doge.

01:01:17 Speaker_03
Yes.

01:01:18 Speaker_10
And we got Doge on the air.

01:01:19 Speaker_03
I mean, there's a bunch of things that I said that were just not on the script. They have these cue cards for what you're supposed to say, and I just didn't say it. I just went off the rails.

01:01:26 Speaker_01
Yeah. They didn't see that coming. Yeah, it's live. No, it's live.

01:01:33 Speaker_10
And so Elon wanted to do Doge. This is the other one. And he wanted to do Doge on late night. And he says, hey, J. Kyle, can you make sure?

01:01:43 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah. I wanted to do the Doge father, like you sort of redo that scene from The Godfather. I mean, you kind of need the music to cue things up.

01:01:56 Speaker_10
You bring me on my daughter's wedding. Listen, you ask for Doge.

01:02:00 Speaker_03
Yeah, you got Marlon Brando on the scene. And I give you Bitcoin, but you want Doge. Exactly. You've really got to set the mood. You've got to have a tuxedo and this sort of job office. And this whole concept of the Dogefather.

01:02:10 Speaker_00
And you've got to have, like, Marlon Brando. I said, you come to me on this day of my daughter's wedding. And you ask me for your private keys. Are you even a friend? You call me the Dogefather. So... Buona sera, buona sera. So that's potential.

01:02:37 Speaker_10
They had great potential. So they come to me and I'm talking to Colin and Joost, who's got a great sense of humor and he's amazing, he loves Elon. And he's like, we can't do it because of the law and stuff like that.

01:02:49 Speaker_07
The law.

01:02:49 Speaker_10
The law and the liability. So I said, it's okay. Elon called Comcast and he put in an offer and they just accepted it. He just bought NBC. So it's fine. Yeah. And Colin Jost looks at me, and I've sold it so good. And he's like, you're serious?

01:03:09 Speaker_10
I'm like, yep. We own NBC now. And he's like, OK, well, that kind of changes things, doesn't it? And I'm like, absolutely. We're a go on Doge. And then he's like, you're fucking with me. And I'm like, I'm fucking with you.

01:03:25 Speaker_01
Or are we?

01:03:26 Speaker_02
Or are we? It was the greatest week of, and that like is like two of 10 stories.

01:03:33 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:03:34 Speaker_10
We'll save the other eight.

01:03:35 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:03:36 Speaker_10
But it was, and I was just so happy for you to see you have a great week of just joy and fun and letting go. Cause you were launching rockets. You're dealing with so much bullshit in your life to have those moments to share them and just laugh.

01:03:51 Speaker_10
Um, it was just so great. Yeah. More of those moments. I think we gotta get you back on SNL. Who wants him back on SNL one more time? All right, ladies and gentlemen, our bestie, Elon Musk.