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Episode: Detroit’s Grit, Drake vs. Caleb, a Giannis Trade Idea, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Author: The Ringer
Duration: 01:49:12

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The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Lions' comeback win vs. the Texans, the early AFC playoff picture, and the Chiefs sneaking by the Broncos to earn a 9-0 record (2:09). They have a Cowboys reassessment and discuss Commanders-Steelers, a rookie QB ranking, and Bears-Patriots

(23:39). Then they talk about the latest "season from hell" candidates; whether to take the Eagles, Cardinals, and/or Chargers seriously; the Saints supporting the "new coach theory" by beating the Falcons; 49ers-Bucs; and Colts-Bills (47:02). Finally, they discuss some Week 10 gambling trends before guessing the lines for NFL Week 11 (1:08:18) and closing the show with Parent Corner (1:30:35). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary

In this episode, Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal delve into the NFL, starting with the Detroit Lions' comeback win against the Houston Texans, emphasizing player performances, particularly Jared Goff's struggles with interceptions. They analyze the state of AFC playoffs, touching on the Kansas City Chiefs' undefeated record and the unpredictability of the season. The hosts critique the Dallas Cowboys' poor performances, particularly quarterback issues, and highlight several teams' prospects for the playoffs. The discussion later shifts to gambling trends in NFL Week 10 and predictions for upcoming games, rounded off by personal anecdotes regarding youth sports and parental perspectives.

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You can watch all the clips and videos from this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. And Cousin Sal is coming up in one second to break down everything we saw in a really, really fun action-packed Week 10 of the NFL season.

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We did this live on YouTube, as we do every Sunday night. All you have to do is subscribe to the Bill Simmons channel, and you can watch us do this podcast live, or you could just listen to it the next day.

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You do whatever you wanna do, but I'm gonna bring in Pearl Jam right now, because that's what I wanna do. Pearl Jam! All right. It is eight forty three p.m. Sunday night. Just watch Texans Lions. I'm here with the 47th president of the United States.

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How are you?

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There's no way I won. I know who my family voted for and it wasn't me. It never is.

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we just watched an incredible game. And I thought Collinsworth made the key point and he sniffed it out in the third quarter and said, he did that.

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How I'm just telling you, if the lions could figure this out, this is the kind of game that tells you what kind of, you know, he just did that whole thing. And he was right. Cause I was thinking the same thing.

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If they, all the shit that happened, God throws five picks basically in the first two and a half quarters of the game. And if you can come back on the road and win that game, I think that means something more than the game, right?

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That was the takeaway.

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Oh, I thought the point he made that was valid was if there was just one more coat of paint on those goalposts, we're going to overtime. Mike, you know, that's true. Come on. One more, one more bike. They ran against them, right?

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I mean, they have the fastest runners in the, what's interesting is it seemed like And I think it was those red uniforms. Didn't they seem faster, the Texans?

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There's a little bit of a flash thing, like, oh wow, they're wearing their red uniforms, they're faster than us tonight, let's give up.

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But you're right, if they had just gone to the running game for most of the game, it wouldn't have been close at the end.

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It was very similar to what was happening to them early in the season. They had that one game where Goff threw the ball almost 60 times. And some people were out on the Detroit offense. I remember I was talking about it.

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I was like, I still feel like they just have to remember what kind of team they are. And then this game, it was the same thing. They're chucking the ball around, Goff didn't have it.

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And I just kept, the running game wasn't great in the first two and a half quarters, but it's like, just, they don't have Will Anderson, just run the ball, stick with it, stick with it, play action. And they were able to turn around.

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But the bigger thing is Houston didn't score again in the second half. There's a bunch of bad advanced metrics with them. in the second halves of these games. You know, Nico Collins got scratched pretty late. Seemed like he was playing.

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He was scratched late enough that I think a lot of people like me in one of my leagues started him in fantasy and then all of a sudden he was gone. But they gotta fix that. I still like that Houston team though.

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Like I... Yeah, here's the thing. No, first of all, yes, I say the Lions could have won and not put it away, but they could have been in this much earlier than just the final kick to take the lead.

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But man, if Stroud hits Dell, I mean, he's open for 17 seconds and he lost it and it's intercepted by Carlton Davis, so that sucked. But yeah, I like this team too, and guess what? They could rest Stroud for a month. He could go whatever.

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He can go to France if he wants, because he's up against Will Levis, Mac Jones, and Joe Flacco or Anthony Richardson. So yeah, I like that. Do I like him as a one seed? No, but they'll be fine in the playoffs, I think.

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Yeah, even you look at their losses, Minnesota killed them. Green Bay beat them by two, and that was an either or game. Jets beat them on a Thursday night, which was another one that it felt like they were gonna win the game.

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Garrett Wilson made that crazy catch. And then in this game, they were in it, and it just, it felt a little self-inflicted to me. You know, I know they didn't have Nico Collins, but the Stroud pass, It was just like, he sailed it up there.

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Like there was nobody within 30 yards of Dell. And meanwhile, the safety comes flying over. But even if he had sailed it toward the corner of the end zone, it just, when that happened, I was like, holy shit, the lions might have a chance. Cause I was.

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Nephew Kyle was six Pilsner's in could have made that throw. I'm telling you right now that I was, I don't know what, what happened there. And I think the game plan should be, Hey, if we get 30, we win. Right.

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If you're Demeco Ryan's, but they hadn't figured out how to get those extra seven.

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Yeah. I'd like Stroud, but you know, he kind of needs one of these games. He needs one of these tight games against a really good team. Make a couple of plays moments. I was looking up some of the stuff from this game.

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And first of all, has anyone ever thrown five interceptions in a game? and then won the Super Bowl? What do you think the answer is to that? Because I actually researched this. Oh, wow, good for you. Same season.

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Yeah, I figured out a way to research this and I think I nailed it correctly.

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Well, it wasn't Tony Romo who was one of two guys who threw five interceptions and won the game.

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Yeah. Was it 1970 Colts or something? No, so the two I found, and maybe there are more than this, but Terry Bradshaw did it in the 79 Steelers, and then Jim Ponkett in 1980 Raiders. So back-to-back years.

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In general, I was looking up, I went on this interception deep dive because when we were growing up, quarterbacks threw interceptions. Like Steve Grogan had three five interception games before I turned 10 years old. And I was looking at like,

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the 19, I think 77 season brand targeting led the league with 32 picks, 1978 stable was second with 30 and eight other guys had at least 20. This is just what we grew up with. The ball would sail around like a,

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It's bizarre because they definitely didn't pass as much, right? They weren't dropping back as much. But think about it, like receivers going over the middle, you could decapitate them.

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Quarterbacks, you could dive at their legs, you could close on them. So they're just flinging the ball up trying to get rid of it. Joe Pasarczyk was 12 TDs, 23 picks. Kenny Anderson was 10 TDs, 22 picks.

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Steve DeBerg was 8 TDs, 22 picks, on and on and on. To throw five picks now, you really have to put some thought and time and some shitty energy into it. So there was like how many picks the record seven, like Ty Detmer did it only like two other.

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So, you know, there was a moment there was like, whoa, what happens if he gets to six?

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It's going to get there.

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Do they pull him? Yeah. He righted the ship. Like he, he kind of persevered through it.

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Yeah. He had plenty of opportunities and yeah, he had more than he had all of last year. Right. So I'm not sure that takes them a little bit out of the MVP running, but. We were making fun of PFF because they had them 22 out of 32 for quarterbacks.

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Like, this guy never throws an incomplete pass. Who are the 21 ahead of him? And then it's like, oh boy, interception after interception. Maybe they were gonna save that for next week. But yeah, good comeback for the Lions.

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They may just have that swagger. It just might be their year, at least in the NFC.

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Well, in the AFC, Houston drops to six and four, you know, they're going to be the four seed.

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Yeah.

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I don't see any scenario where Indianapolis or Jacksonville or Tennessee even sniffs them. So they have time to figure it out.

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And I, I didn't change my opinion on where I thought Houston might be when they get Collins back, they get Will Anderson back. Like I want to see this team in mid December with like two, three weeks left in this season, like right around Christmas.

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Let's really take a look at them because I think they could hang with Casey, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. I think they could play with any of those teams. You know? So we'll see.

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I just, let's not do what we did last year. Like we fall in love with the six seed or whoever it was. Was it Cleveland last year? Did you have the Houston Overcliff? Did you have them?

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I had a pretty good playoffs last year and that was one of my huge regrets. Flacco against whoever when he got annihilated. Well we won't have to worry about Flacco, but let's try to stay away from that. We won't have to worry about Flacco.

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There's some, the AFC playoff stuff, we talked about Houston's probably the four seed, which is gonna, I think put them against Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

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Whoever doesn't win that division, the way it's lining up now, where Pittsburgh is 7-2 and Baltimore is 7-3, a good team. And probably the 5 seed, unless the Chargers just keep kicking everyone's ass. Chargers are 6-3.

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So we basically, if KC beats Buffalo next week, they basically have the one seed locked up. Because they'll have a two game lead over, or three game lead over Buffalo, plus they beat them.

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They'll have a two game lead over Pittsburgh, and then a three game lead over Baltimore. If you do the rankings now, or the matchups now, it'd be Buffalo two against seven seed Denver.

00:11:34 Speaker_08
that would get in.

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Yeah. I just, they're five and five. No, that's the, there's seven teams that have a tire winning record. Um, number three, Pittsburgh against number six chargers. and then number four, Houston, Baltimore, but AFC's kind of fun.

00:11:51 Speaker_05
I was looking at it and I was like, huh. The big wild card would be.

00:11:54 Speaker_07
You bring up a good point with the Chiefs though. If they beat Buffalo and Buffalo next week, a lot of these teams, I mean, how do you get up, Houston, for the last seven weeks with no one like, we got this.

00:12:06 Speaker_07
The eight and nine could get us the four seed. I really feel like eight and nine wins that division at this point.

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Well, I think you could think, Maybe we could catch the AFC North team and get the three seed. Maybe Buffalo. I mean, Buffalo, this is another crazy thing that's happened through 10 weeks. Buffalo has a five game lead in the AFCs.

00:12:25 Speaker_05
I mean, that's like absurd. I've never seen somebody lead by half as many games as the actual games played after that. Your team might have done it a couple of times, right?

00:12:36 Speaker_07
By the middle of November? You don't think the Patriots had like a five game lead?

00:12:41 Speaker_05
Well, you mentioned Kansas City. I don't know what to make of this season anymore. They're nine and O. Five of the wins was week one, the Ravens game where likely his foot's on the line. They beat the Bengals. Burrow had the fumble TD.

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The Bengals had a chance to ice the game. Didn't get a first down punted. Chiefs hit a field goal at the end. They have the Atlanta game where they got the fourth down stop when it seemed like Atlanta was gonna drive and get them and they got a stop.

00:13:11 Speaker_05
Last week, the Bucs and OT felt like if the Bucs went for two, they were probably gonna win.

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And then this week, where it seems like it's done, and they blocked the field goal, and they beat the Broncos by two in a game that was dead even statistically when you're watching it. It felt like the Broncos were gonna win.

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I thought the Broncos slightly outplayed them, and now they're 9-0, and I don't feel like everybody's like, Oh yeah. Chiefs look out. I think people are like, holy shit. How can they keep doing this?

00:13:42 Speaker_07
I think you're right. And you know, there's, it's one thing to do it like the Vikings did it like, Oh, what did they have in 2022? They had like 11, one score wins or something.

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But when you went through the one after the other toe in the end zone, barely like this is just a spectacular way to be undefeated in the second week in November. I mean that kick,

00:14:04 Speaker_07
Like if there were nobody, there were no blockers, it would have looked exactly the same. What the hell? What, Denver did everything right?

00:14:11 Speaker_07
You're right, they bled the clock, they had the Chiefs use their timeouts, and you almost think there's just no beating this thing.

00:14:18 Speaker_05
I was driving home from the airport last night, like about midnight, and I was listening to Fox Sports Radio, and there was some show, and they had that guy Fezzik, the handicapper was on.

00:14:28 Speaker_05
And I was like, this is great, I'm going like 95 miles an hour on the 10, and I'm listening to Fezzik break down the schedule. And he was really bullish on the Broncos in this game.

00:14:38 Speaker_05
It's like, Broncos coming off a loss, they beat the, and I felt the same way, like I doubled on the Broncos in our picks league.

00:14:46 Speaker_05
I, I, the Broncos last week against Baltimore, when it was 17, 10 heading toward the end of the first half and they'd really played with them and Knicks had missed a couple of touchdown throws.

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And then all of a sudden the mark at the touchdown, they're down 14 and the game blew open. But I, I didn't think they were bad in that game. And this game, they're pretty good too. They might actually be a playoff day.

00:15:06 Speaker_05
Like I think the Bengals are gonna have a hard time passing them. Cause I think the Broncos are gonna be able to get to nine wins.

00:15:11 Speaker_07
Well, that's it, right? It's Bengals. Bengals have some interesting games. They have the chargers this week. So I don't want to call it a loser leaves town for the Bengals, but they can't afford to lose like two.

00:15:21 Speaker_07
They still have a lot of North games, right?

00:15:23 Speaker_02
So that's a big one.

00:15:25 Speaker_07
But yeah, man, I, you know, I would even say, I had Bo Nix as a solid fourth in terms of the four rookie quarterbacks. Is he second now? Is he right behind Daniels? I have a whole spot in the podcast for this.

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Oh my God. I can't wait to talk about this. In this one? All right. Oh yeah, in this podcast. Denver, rest of the way. Home Atlanta. At Vegas. Home Cleveland on a Monday night. home Indianapolis at Chargers, and then week 17 at Cincinnati.

00:16:00 Speaker_05
And then here's the big one, and this is one of the reasons when we did the over-unders, one of the reasons I like the Denver over, they play Kansas City week 18 at home, and that's one of those games where we guess the Lions would be stupid.

00:16:15 Speaker_05
Like Denver favored by seven and a half or something, because Kansas City won't play anybody. Is Denver gonna get to nine wins? Probably. They're five and five right now, and I think there's four more in there.

00:16:28 Speaker_05
So the Bengals are gonna have to beat them, and they're gonna have to beat the Chargers, I think, this week.

00:16:33 Speaker_07
They're having trouble getting to six. If they get to six, they go over their projected win total, which was five and a half, but they've been stuck on five for a while.

00:16:40 Speaker_07
But yeah, the problem is, as you go through those games and I think about those teams, they're not guaranteed to score 30, right? I don't know if anyone is in the NFL anymore, but Denver, it's always going to be a kind of game like this.

00:16:53 Speaker_07
But they did, what they did today is big plays against the Chiefs don't usually happen. They pulled it off. I know you want to talk about Knicks later, but this is, they had some nice like 20 plus yard gainers, so.

00:17:05 Speaker_05
I thought that was the best Knicks has looked. And even though they, I know they didn't put up like 30 points or anything, but he had some good plays.

00:17:11 Speaker_05
He had typical couple overthrows, but I know you're invested in him because he's an Oregon guy and now you're an Oregon fan. One thing on the Chiefs.

00:17:21 Speaker_05
So I was trying to think, cause I mentioned this to House on Thursday and I was like, I'm going to go back and actually look at this. The teams that Start off undefeated for a while.

00:17:32 Speaker_05
And all of us are kind of looking at them kind of side-eyed, like, eh, I don't know. So the three that really jumped out, 2010 Colts were 14 and 0. And remember that was the whole argument of, should they go for it?

00:17:46 Speaker_05
And I think they ended up resting guys, but they lost the Superbowl to New Orleans that year. But that whole year we were kind of like, ah, what is this? Like, is this, is this a schedule thing? Like what's going on? Their defense isn't that good.

00:17:59 Speaker_05
So they didn't win the Superbowl. The next year, the Packers went 13 and 0. go to the playoffs, get a buy, and then they get killed by the Giants at home in round two in the second Eli Super Bowl season.

00:18:12 Speaker_05
And then the third one was the Panthers in 2015, 14 and 0 start, and then they end up losing the Super Bowl to Denver. So I guess my question is,

00:18:22 Speaker_05
Is Kansas City just better losing now and getting, getting this over with versus like just going, I know it sounds stupid, but them going 14 and not, and then you're basically not playing for anything for a month and you get a bye week and then you just kind of have to flip the switch on.

00:18:38 Speaker_05
We, we have real evidence that that's kind of a bad thing for a team.

00:18:41 Speaker_07
Yeah, and listen, I think we've got to give them a benefit of doubt in terms of how to approach this. Andy Reid, this isn't his first rodeo. By the way, his first rodeo, he killed a cow.

00:18:53 Speaker_07
It was too much weight, and they knew it was a bad idea from the start. All tapes have been destroyed. Right. So work Hopkins in, right? Don't get injured. Pacheco comes back theoretically in a couple of weeks. I think that would probably be the plan.

00:19:10 Speaker_07
And if you could beat up on these teams, keep it going, I guess. I think it's, I know what you're saying. Like, it's good to have a loss in there and then you can, you could deal with it.

00:19:19 Speaker_07
But I feel like they've been down, they've made comebacks before, right? So they know how to be resilient.

00:19:26 Speaker_05
Well, this Buffalo game, it's at Buffalo. I can't wait to guess the line for that. And I, I don't know it.

00:19:31 Speaker_05
And that I would have guessed Buffalo as a favorite, but now I'm wondering with the way Buffalo looked a little shaky, maybe it's going to flip, but Casey I think would want to go into Buffalo and beat them again and just keep that over them.

00:19:45 Speaker_05
Like kind of, you can't beat us. We're on this. But then they're at Carolina the next week. And that just like, it's like the classic chiefs favored by nine and a half in Carolina punt block.

00:19:57 Speaker_05
tipped interception, pick six, like just nine things go wrong. Everyone gets killed in their teas. This is, it's like the biggest upset of the year. I have that one flag. They play Vegas at home on a Friday night. That seems fishy.

00:20:10 Speaker_05
Uh, chargers on a Sunday. They're at Cleveland home Houston at Pittsburgh. and then home for Denver in week 18.

00:20:17 Speaker_05
So maybe they have that stretch where it's week 16, Houston on a Saturday, week 17, Christmas night, Pittsburgh, and they're gonna have everything clinched. And there's just no way they're gonna be playing their guys in both of those games, right?

00:20:31 Speaker_05
That's no way. They're gonna put on one of those games.

00:20:34 Speaker_07
Do you know what the odds are? I have them here. Don't look to run the slate.

00:20:39 Speaker_05
Oh, House and I, it's like five to one, right? Higher than that?

00:20:44 Speaker_07
Plus 750, plus 750. But yeah, you go through that, there's still tough ones. Could they be looking ahead to the Panthers and blow this Bills game?

00:20:53 Speaker_05
I didn't realize that. I know, they saw Bryce Young today and got freaked out. I think with that Saturday Wednesday thing, there's no way. That would be insane to get people hurt during that crazy stretch.

00:21:07 Speaker_05
The other thing with the AFC, other than Cincy at four and six, I don't see a single team that could make a second half run out of nowhere, unless Miami wins tomorrow night.

00:21:20 Speaker_05
And I don't even really totally believe in Miami, but at least you could be like, all right, two is back, they're in the AFC East, they have some easy games, maybe. But I don't see any out of nowhere teams.

00:21:32 Speaker_05
So to me, it's Denver and Cincinnati, and then it's a huge drop off.

00:21:36 Speaker_07
Yeah, I would, I would say Miami potentially because they could score points, but you were already, we don't even know if Tyreek's playing.

00:21:43 Speaker_07
Like he's like, when he said something interesting, like, and listen, if someone's injured, whatever, this is a crazy game that I could never play. But he's like, we'll see how my body feels if I'm going to play or not. If you're two, you must be like,

00:21:57 Speaker_07
I don't even know my name right now. Get your ass in that game. We gotta play. We gotta win.

00:22:01 Speaker_05
Right.

00:22:02 Speaker_07
Our whole season's on the line.

00:22:03 Speaker_05
Yeah, really. Tyreek does this though. Remember that game last year when he was just coming in and out of the game and then his helmet was off, then it was on, then he's playing, then he's not playing? He does it all the time still. Very strange.

00:22:14 Speaker_07
If he runs a long route on second down, forget it. You won't see him for the rest of that drive.

00:22:19 Speaker_05
Hey, we're gonna do a who's delivering. presented by Uber Eats where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out of nowhere surprises.

00:22:34 Speaker_05
So you have Bo Nix would be in this as it seemed crazy that they were counting on him the way they are, but now it actually seems pretty smart, especially when they're paying Russell Wilson to play for the Steelers and he's doing well. Bryce Young,

00:22:51 Speaker_05
not being like a disaster who's going to get traded for a seventh round pick. Not that he was awesome today, but at least he wasn't a disaster. I was surprised by that, right? Like, whoa, sure. Bryce Young, I can't believe you have this in you.

00:23:04 Speaker_05
Who else would you have as like a surprise?

00:23:06 Speaker_07
You look at that and like just why it's a surprise is the Panthers are just destined to lose by double digits. If you just look at their this year, right? Like if it doesn't happen one week, you can bounce back if it wasn't New Orleans. Let's see.

00:23:21 Speaker_07
Kyle Pitts is really good. No, um, let me see. Give me a minute. I wish you would tell me about this. Yeah. Yeah. He's good. He's solid. Uh, let me find someone like this in here.

00:23:34 Speaker_05
Was there a fantasy? I probably should have given you a heads up. Was there a fantasy running back or anybody that,

00:23:44 Speaker_07
jumped out. I guess I like Bucky Irving, but I think I gave him out to you a couple of weeks ago. How about this?

00:23:50 Speaker_05
How about McLaurin being an a plus list receiver now, right?

00:23:54 Speaker_07
If we're doing fancy drafts over again, I think he's one of the first five receivers look so much faster now than he was. But yeah, that's a, that's a good, I think.

00:24:03 Speaker_05
Oh no, wait, that's a different,

00:24:05 Speaker_07
I just concentrate on bad players, because that's all I'm used to now.

00:24:08 Speaker_05
Different category. That's Who's Delivering. I guess Mahomes Delivering wins, despite having the worst statistical year. Again, today, 260 yards, one TD, doesn't matter, keeps winning.

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00:26:17 Speaker_09
Because your season's over. Has McCarthy finished the season? It's very rude.

00:26:27 Speaker_05
Why pay for another coach at this point?

00:26:29 Speaker_07
Yeah, right. Look, here's what I'll say. The thing about them is, I didn't expect them to win. I really thought they would suck me back in.

00:26:39 Speaker_07
I thought they were done, but I didn't think they were done sucking me, and I thought Cooper Rush would be competitive. But this game killed me because Besides a kicking game, you get to see the Cowboys incompetence on every level, right?

00:26:51 Speaker_07
Like tackling, the quarterback play was atrocious. Rush had like 24 yards at halftime and then they put Trey Lance and he comes in for like negative six yards with a penalty.

00:27:00 Speaker_07
Ezekiel Elliott back with a big fumble, which, you know... Huge fumble in the other end zone. Jesus. It's like just that, and that's more ineptitude in the front office. And then like, and C.D.

00:27:11 Speaker_07
Lamb, like yucking it up with the Eagles as the, as the gun sounds to end the game. And then we have the owner. It's like every, every little aspect of it, the owner who blames the mysterious construction of his billion dollar stadium. And he built.

00:27:24 Speaker_07
He built it where half the players are going blind.

00:27:26 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's not like he bought the stadium from someone else.

00:27:28 Speaker_07
He built it and was in charge of every aspect of the construction. It's disgusting. He's pointing at us like, they know where the sun is. Like, good, Jerry, you go to the sun. Go to the light. See the sun. It's right there.

00:27:40 Speaker_07
It's right in the crack in the roof where you wouldn't, you know, everyone wants to put curtains.

00:27:43 Speaker_05
Jerry, stare at the sun until you go blind. Oh man, it drives me nuts. And now the big thing tomorrow is going to be like, should we put curtains up there?

00:27:48 Speaker_05
It's like this thing, you and I went to the stadium 15 years ago, like they couldn't figure out the fucking sunlight when it's after daylight savings.

00:27:57 Speaker_07
Remember Dallas, the TV show that was like in the opening, the light going through the stadium, like, oh wow, that's kind of cool. It's like, no, it's not that cool. I hate this team. I'm really mad. And I feel like I get doubled

00:28:09 Speaker_07
F tier because like they don't even change the cadence like Cooper Rush is like, here we go. And that gets me angry. And then I have to see the play and that gets me angry. So I'm getting angry like 160 times a game.

00:28:23 Speaker_05
Our Dak, my next Cowboys question, our Dak, Lam and Parsons all on next year's team. Yeah, I think so. There's too much money. What are they going to do? Is Lawrence also on next year's team? Those four. Those four guys next year.

00:28:43 Speaker_07
I do think so. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I just want Aubrey. I need the kicker to stay. It's just, listen, if they're not on the team, if they're not on the team, that means Jerry's gonna trade him, right? And he's been awful.

00:28:58 Speaker_07
I mean, we got Mingo, who didn't even suit up, for like a, you see what they got for Hopkins versus Mingo, and they do it year after year after year. It's getting bad.

00:29:09 Speaker_05
I like the philosophy of, Yeah, we got Ningo. We really liked him coming out of the draft. It was like, yeah. Did you still like him when he couldn't play for Carolina for two years?

00:29:21 Speaker_08
Yeah.

00:29:22 Speaker_05
It'd be like if we really liked somebody for The Ringer two years ago, and then the person went somewhere and just handed in a bunch of columns late and did three podcasts that had to be aborted. We're like, wow, we really did like him two years ago.

00:29:35 Speaker_05
Let's go get him anyway. Maybe change the scene.

00:29:37 Speaker_07
Record labels aren't signing Diddy anytime soon, even though he went double platinum 15 years ago. Is that a bad analogy?

00:29:46 Speaker_05
Listen, I'm here for all Diddy analogies. Here's my next question for you, Cowboys related. I'm gonna go through every team in the NFC and you tell me which team you'd rather be then for the next three years.

00:29:58 Speaker_07
This is a dick move, but go ahead, that's fine.

00:30:00 Speaker_05
It's not a dick move, it's an exercise.

00:30:02 Speaker_07
All right, I don't exercise.

00:30:03 Speaker_05
Would you rather be Dallas or Philadelphia next three years?

00:30:09 Speaker_07
That's easy, Philly. Washington? Washington, yes. Would you rather be Dallas or the Giants? I'm going to say still Dallas and then I'm going to get kicked in the teeth on Thanksgiving and that'll be fun.

00:30:22 Speaker_05
I think Dallas is the right answer for that. Okay. So you'd rather be based. So the giants, we have one. Oh, we've, we're going to really do this 16 time. Minnesota green Bay. You'd rather be all those things. Sure. Yeah.

00:30:33 Speaker_05
Would you rather be Dallas or Chicago? Um,

00:30:38 Speaker_07
I think their front office is just as effed up, kind of, to be honest with you. I mean, we were texting off to the side. Yeah, so they have to make a coaching change. Not sold on the quarterback. I think that's a push, actually. Can I say push?

00:30:52 Speaker_07
Okay, we have a push.

00:30:53 Speaker_05
Would you rather be Dallas or Atlanta?

00:30:56 Speaker_09
I'd rather be Atlanta.

00:30:57 Speaker_05
Atlanta.

00:30:59 Speaker_09
Would you rather be Dallas or Tampa Bay?

00:31:05 Speaker_07
First thing I'm thinking about is coach, quarterback. Shit. Tampa Bay. I think you'd rather Baker Mayfield see him today. He's a fucking hero.

00:31:13 Speaker_05
I know. I know. It's amazing. I think you'd rather be Dallas than new Orleans. That's, that's easy. New Orleans is solid. Yeah, that's fine. We don't want her for date and the Panthers. I'd be right. Yeah. Then the path. Yeah. All right.

00:31:27 Speaker_05
So there's three, you got the giants to Carolina. Yeah. And I don't think anyone in the NFC West.

00:31:32 Speaker_07
I don't think anyone in the West.

00:31:34 Speaker_05
So there's three teams you'd rather be. That's good. Congratulations.

00:31:38 Speaker_07
What a jerk you are. Why am I a jerk? Should I do that for you with the AFC? Do you have more than three?

00:31:46 Speaker_09
All right, I'll play. Go ahead. Buffalo, I'd rather be. I'd rather be us than the Jets.

00:31:54 Speaker_04
I mean, hands down. Who'd rather be us than the Jets? Drake Bay.

00:32:01 Speaker_09
Yeah.

00:32:02 Speaker_04
Okay. That's true. All right. I think I'd rather be us than Miami. Cause we have Drake May.

00:32:09 Speaker_05
Well, if that's going to be your answer for everything, I mean, we're going to, we have Drake May, we have Gonzalez, we have Barmore coming back. We're going to have a hundred million in cap space. We're going to have like a top six pick.

00:32:20 Speaker_05
I feel good about next year.

00:32:21 Speaker_07
Drake May, Gonzalez and Barmore. Yeah.

00:32:23 Speaker_05
Listen to you.

00:32:27 Speaker_07
This is like the 78 Steelers you're talking about?

00:32:30 Speaker_05
Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincy. I would rather be all of those teams. Definitely would rather be us than Cleveland. Okay, so how many is that? Cleveland, Miami, and the Jets. There's already three. I'd rather be Houston. I'd rather be us than Indianapolis.

00:32:51 Speaker_05
What's so great about being in that? They just missed on that Richeson pick. It looks like he's unplayable. I'd rather be us at Tennessee. I'd rather be us at Jacksonville. The league really sucks, doesn't it? Casey, Chargers, obviously those guys.

00:33:07 Speaker_05
Us versus Denver is probably a push. I'd rather have made than anyone at Denver, but I, Denver has paid rather made than Nick's right now. Huh? Oh, stop it, man. Nick's is like 26.

00:33:18 Speaker_07
What am I missing with May? What did he do? Well, hold on. I got to go to these guys again.

00:33:23 Speaker_06
He has no receivers and no offensive line. He's been fine. These games, you won.

00:33:30 Speaker_07
What's his name? Nine times. That's why you love Drake. May. Come on.

00:33:33 Speaker_05
I know. I see it, but you know what I love about Jake? He has a bad plan, he shakes it off, and he goes right back out there and does his thing.

00:33:41 Speaker_07
I also... Dak does that too, Cooper Rush does that, Trey Lance, all the greats. I'd rather be us than Vegas, so that's like six teams. Here's what I love about Jake May. That's depressing. You'd rather be... And you make a good point for all of them.

00:33:54 Speaker_07
Twice as many teams than I would the NFC. Wow, that's bad.

00:34:00 Speaker_05
I'll talk about the pets later. I have a different spot. Let's talk about Pittsburgh, Washington, which felt like a real playoff game.

00:34:05 Speaker_07
That was the best game.

00:34:08 Speaker_05
I think it was an honorable loss for Washington, even though I didn't think they played their best, but they definitely hung and were around the game. And that was by far the best defensive played

00:34:19 Speaker_05
Um, it was a great win for Pittsburgh because a lot of shit went wrong for them for two hours. It felt like they were almost trying to give the game away. And then they said, fuck it. And they just took it.

00:34:29 Speaker_05
And then Russ made a fucking massive throw at the end. Like he hit Williams in stride fields. Never would have made that throw. So Sal, nobody saw the seven and two Steelers coming. Oh wait, somebody did this guy right here. Who are you pointing to?

00:34:45 Speaker_08
Oh yeah.

00:34:46 Speaker_05
This guy with two index fingers. Yeah, you called it. That's it. So when people do the thing tomorrow, who would have saw the sewers? They were seven and two. It was fucking me. I called it. I love yours.

00:34:56 Speaker_08
All right.

00:34:57 Speaker_05
All right. By the way, if you go back and you watch our overrunners podcast, we, we actually kind of killed the podcast. Like, I have a chance to go like 25 and seven, 26 and six on those overrides. Just FYI.

00:35:09 Speaker_08
All right.

00:35:10 Speaker_05
Good job.

00:35:10 Speaker_07
But why them? Well, all the announcers that bolt the answers in that game talking about me, me, me picking the Steelers, a special, the South Steelers special, which is why I'm done bragging.

00:35:21 Speaker_05
We're going to you.

00:35:22 Speaker_07
This is way more impressive. Go ahead. Set up the South special. Opponent to win the first half, Steelers to win the game. It takes the Steelers a minute to get going, more than any other team this happens.

00:35:33 Speaker_07
Eight to one, it's cashed three times this year, plus 17 units. Good job by me, good job by you, whatever you said in the preseason, but I ate to one three times.

00:35:45 Speaker_05
God bless. So it's three times, and if you bet $100 on it each time, you would have just won like $2,400 just on those three, and lost $100 on the other seven games, and you'd be up $1,700. There's no better bet in sports. Thank you.

00:36:01 Speaker_05
FanDuel gave us these Springer Specials tab on their NFL page. The Cousin Sal Special should just be its own tab. It should be next to Games, Futures, Cousin Sal Special. You know why it won't be?

00:36:15 Speaker_07
They don't want to go bankrupt. I don't blame them for hiding it within like 34 other Ringer Specials. But no, the Steelers are good. They're good. They're exciting.

00:36:25 Speaker_07
And I'm not going to say Sky's the limit for the playoffs, but they could right now, like if you put a ceiling on them, AFC Championship.

00:36:35 Speaker_05
Not that it's gonna happen, but could they get that far or past it?

00:36:40 Speaker_05
So I had some friends at that Washington game today, and that was the most important home game Washington's had in 15 years, where it was a true sellout, real fans coming back, real energy in the building, people there two hours before the game, and the Steelers didn't play well, and they still figured out a way to steal the game.

00:37:00 Speaker_05
and they got stops. Like that game was, I think 27 to 21, halfway through the third quarter. And the, they shut down Washington. They Daniel's missed a couple of throws.

00:37:09 Speaker_05
I think two years from now, he probably wins that game because he had, he had two big throws in the second half. But, but the fact that Wilson can make a couple of plays for them They, it just wasn't going to happen with fields.

00:37:23 Speaker_05
Fields doesn't win that game. He just doesn't. And I think I was thinking we were joking, watching the games. Like has anybody seemed less cool and more done? And then rallied back and seems kind of cool again.

00:37:37 Speaker_05
It's like, I was thinking like Wayne Brady when he did the Chappelle show.

00:37:41 Speaker_07
Interesting.

00:37:42 Speaker_05
And he had that Wayne Brady rejuvenation from the Chappelle show. But then Russ winning that game and doing like a dance and seeming like Russ again, I was like, holy shit, Russ is back.

00:37:52 Speaker_07
yes i think he people are dying to turn on him too though right i feel like even that with stealer's fence like they were waiting for the one bad rust game but now you're right at seven and two this is a whole different story and pickens

00:38:08 Speaker_07
is the most athletic player on that team. I'm sorry, but he always makes a dazzling circus catch every week. I mean, football is great when you see like these wide receivers. My father's like, oh, it was always better in my day.

00:38:22 Speaker_07
These guys didn't sound no injuries like that. You don't have wide receivers toe tapping the sideline and, you know, like pellets kicking up because they know how to drag their feet.

00:38:33 Speaker_05
That catch in the corner, that was unbelievable.

00:38:36 Speaker_07
They know how to, whatever, I'm not making it up, but you see a spectacular play three times a week now in the NFL. That's why it's the best.

00:38:45 Speaker_05
One thing I liked about Pittsburgh, they did the thing that Detroit kind of didn't do. They just kept running the ball and running the ball. They didn't even run the ball that well. I think they were 43 for,

00:38:58 Speaker_05
were they 43 for like 140, something like that. They were like 3.3 again. They stuck with it, they'd shoot it. It felt like they were always getting yardage on first down. They made a couple big plays.

00:39:10 Speaker_05
They did this Mike Williams trade that the moment they did it, it was like, of course, this guy's gonna be decent for them. And he ended up scoring the same amount of points as the Jets today.

00:39:20 Speaker_05
And then there's the Tomlin piece, which, so where do you think Tomlin ranks for wins all the time? All time coaches, where does he rank in wins? It's only been coaching 18 years. Yeah, so he's 12. I would have guessed like 30th. Yeah.

00:39:36 Speaker_05
It's only been coaching, he hasn't been coaching two decades yet.

00:39:40 Speaker_07
Yeah, but they're never under 500, so you don't have any five and 11s or five and 12s in there.

00:39:46 Speaker_05
He's 180 and 102. Yeah. He's won a Super Bowl, he only has eight playoff wins, but I was thinking today, Belichick and Reader are the best two coaches of this century, right? During the quarter century, doing the all NFL teams. Sure.

00:40:01 Speaker_05
Tomlin's probably third. It's either him or Sean Payton, right? Maybe John Harbaugh's in there. Probably not Dungy because he retired pretty early.

00:40:12 Speaker_07
No respect for McCarthy. It's unbelievable.

00:40:15 Speaker_05
Definitely not McCarthy. There's like a mild Tom Coughlin case just because he won the two Super Bowls, but as a regular season coach, wasn't great. But I think it's pretty unassailable.

00:40:26 Speaker_05
Tomlin's either third or fourth, depending on who you have versus Caden.

00:40:29 Speaker_07
Harbaugh has how many fewer wins, right? Like if you just go regular season, if you go like that.

00:40:34 Speaker_05
But Thomas hit this point though where you just feel like he's getting to nine or 10 wins and it doesn't matter who's on his team. But it's a specific type of player that he always seems to have. They've lucked out over and over again.

00:40:47 Speaker_05
I haven't lucked out. Like there's real ingenuity behind the receivers they take. And I don't know. This feels like one of his great seasons.

00:40:57 Speaker_07
They're very good. He was the one that like... He almost didn't bring the offense out on fourth and two, right? And then he did. I was screaming, Simmons. I didn't even, I just had this stupid steal a special thing, but you gotta do that, coaches.

00:41:14 Speaker_07
You have to at least do the hard count on fourth and two. It's not gonna work every time. If you get a false start, you're actually in a better position to punt it to the 10 or whatever, so. Yeah, it was great. I mean, they killed him.

00:41:25 Speaker_07
They killed him in time of possession, too. Like, they deserved that game.

00:41:29 Speaker_05
For Washington, now they're playing Philly Thursday night, and they might be going from seven and two to seven and four in the span of five days. But they're still a playoff team. I thought that was weirdly a good loss for them.

00:41:42 Speaker_05
Like they hung with a really good team, and I thought those were two playoff teams. All right, next question. So I was gonna ask, would you rather have Drake May or Kayla Williams? But you even wanna introduce Bo Nixon to this.

00:41:57 Speaker_09
So yeah, I think, so give me the rankings just of the four. Yeah. I'm going to drop Caleb Williams to four right now.

00:42:08 Speaker_07
I think you have to, I'm going to do it. I'll put your guy third. I think Bo Nix is second. I know you would flip them. Um, but this is just for this year, right? We're not looking. Who'd you want to have going forward? Oh yeah.

00:42:23 Speaker_07
I'd be very confident in the top two, in Daniels and then Bo Nix, and your guys, I don't know what to make of Caleb Williams, I really don't. Because at one night, some games they should've won, and it's a very strange team.

00:42:36 Speaker_07
They really, they're not resilient at all. They were like one play away from being five and two. And now, you don't see them in the playoffs at all, right?

00:42:45 Speaker_05
No, I think the Hail Mary probably murdered the team or murdered the season. It's weird, all the stuff you heard about him at USC that people were worried about are kind of on display with the Bears too, right?

00:43:00 Speaker_05
He just seems almost like a tennis player playing quarterback. He's playing an individual sport. but also running a team at the same time. And, um, he makes a lot of really, really amateur mistakes.

00:43:12 Speaker_05
Like it was interesting reading the stories after the game, the Patriots did all this stuff. This was the first, I guess the Pats did okay last week too, but this was a actually very well coached game. I got to hand it to Mayo and the crew.

00:43:24 Speaker_05
They really had a game plan. They wanted to pressure him. They brought in Schooler, who's the best special teams, you know, uh, gunner in the league. They brought him in as like a linebacker to basically spy on Caleb in certain spots.

00:43:37 Speaker_05
But they, they basically studied them and they were like, the guy holds the ball too long. And we felt like if we pressured them and we put a spy on them and we just kind of pushed them that we could get to them. And they were right.

00:43:49 Speaker_05
And Caleb does hold the ball on too long and he's not accurate. Like apparently he's the, according to the stats, he's the second least accurate guy in the league. For just uncatchable passes. So they took advantage of all the stuff he wasn't good at.

00:44:03 Speaker_05
The team can't block. The crowd turned on them immediately. By the second quarter you could already hear the boos. And I just felt like he checked out.

00:44:10 Speaker_07
So we'll see.

00:44:12 Speaker_05
He's a rookie QB. We've seen rookie QBs fail, but we'll see.

00:44:15 Speaker_07
Avery Fluess is gonna take the brunt of it though, right? Like everyone's like, oh, he doesn't last till tomorrow. You were the first one I heard that talked about Caleb Williams, like maybe not stepping up in this situation.

00:44:27 Speaker_07
But right now it's squarely on the coach losing the locker room, wide receivers walking off the field before the play is done and shit like that.

00:44:37 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean, I had the Pats in a bet today. I thought they really had a chance to win. It was interesting with Caleb. He had those three games in a row and it was against the Rams who were banged up on defense in week four. They scored 24, they won.

00:44:52 Speaker_05
They killed Carolina in week five, 36-10. Everybody's like, Caleb, Bears, here we go. And then they beat the Jaguars. I think that was abroad in week six, 35-16. And then they had a bye week. And there were two narratives. One was,

00:45:08 Speaker_05
Caleb's, Caleb's figured it out. Here come the bears. And then I was more in the camp of, can we see them play like some good teams first before we have a parade.

00:45:18 Speaker_05
So they had the bi-week, they lose that game to Washington where they only scored 15 and they really couldn't do anything the whole game. Arizona kills them last week. And then the Pats who have a shitty defense looked like the 85 bears against them.

00:45:31 Speaker_05
So, you know, they can't block, but the body language on the team is, is awful.

00:45:37 Speaker_07
Well, and it was also their defense had gone like 12 straight without allowing more than 20 points or something. Once in 12 games or something like that. And so he was benefiting off of that.

00:45:46 Speaker_07
Yeah, he's like kind of Teflon because the defense was very good. And Ibrafluz, when they lose, it's Ibrafluz's fault. And you could say the Hail Mary, they got rooked. But what about week one when Levis just handed them? They had like no offense.

00:46:00 Speaker_07
I'd say like 140 yards of offense, so I know it's week one, it's his very first game, but this team is kind of where they should be.

00:46:08 Speaker_05
I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of, I'm sure this is gonna be a huge topic this week, and there's gonna be people defending him, and then there's gonna be people really breaking down that he hasn't been good.

00:46:19 Speaker_07
Didn't he wanna own the team, a piece of the team? When you say he was like running the team, that's what I thought of immediately. That would've been good.

00:46:26 Speaker_05
From what I saw today, But I wasn't afraid of him when he was going back to pass. I don't know that team might be really poorly coached. And we've seen, like I went to the Celtics nets game on Friday night. See, I was able to bring basketball.

00:46:42 Speaker_05
And the nets are really well coached and I felt that way watching them on TV, but I got to see it in person up close and that team was on the same page.

00:46:51 Speaker_05
They were bringing in bench guys who were playing hard, who were playing defense, who were picking up guys full court. They were rebounding. They were really, really trying. They're running good plays out of timeouts.

00:47:02 Speaker_05
And I was like, this team's well coached. You watch the bears today. And it's like, this team's fucking disaster, right? They clearly shouldn't have this coach anymore, but it's a franchise that is usually afraid to, make moves until after the season.

00:47:15 Speaker_05
From what I saw today, and I watched that game pretty closely, like they, that Hail Mary seems like that killed that Hebrew flu, Sarah. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:47:23 Speaker_07
He might've lost the locker room before that. But yeah, it is tough to spot an okay or bad team who's well coached. Like I think we felt that about Tennessee when Vrabel was around. And you know, they've won some divisions too.

00:47:35 Speaker_07
But even when they were bad, you're like, all right, this team, they fight for them and they're good and they do the basics right.

00:47:40 Speaker_05
Yeah, Tomlin's been like that too. where Tom had these crappy offenses and still figure out how to go nine and eight. This bears seems a mess. Yep. The Jaguars look like a mess. Like there's teams you watch and you're like, this team's a mess.

00:47:53 Speaker_05
Brandon Staley last year, Ron Rivera last year. We, you know who the teams are that are super sloppy.

00:47:59 Speaker_07
The Jaguars, by the way, I know we don't need to spend much time on that, 12-7 Minnesota. Oh, God. It was 42-18 in time of possession for Minnesota. Wow.

00:48:09 Speaker_07
And I was like thinking, like, I don't even want, I want to see time of possession, like Jags time possession versus progressive ads we saw in the three hours. Like, Mac Jones or Flo? Who do we see on the screen more? I think it would be close.

00:48:24 Speaker_05
Boy, that should have been a great fan to a bet of combined Darnold's, uh, back Jones. Cause they were zero touchdowns, five picks. I was in Boston over the weekend and I did a interception parlay.

00:48:38 Speaker_05
So great having legal gambling, like just being able to go on and make dumb fando bets. It was Bryce Young, Mack Jones, and Will Levis. And it was like three and a half to one. I was like, this is gonna be so much fun.

00:48:52 Speaker_05
And then Carolina, I wake up, they're up seven nothing. Bryce somehow doesn't throw a pick, the bet doesn't win. The other two guys did though.

00:48:58 Speaker_07
Oh, they did? The other two came in, yeah. Yeah, that's right though. Yeah, that's the problem with the Giants. The Panthers like took a lead and it's like, oh shit, Bryce Young's only gonna throw the ball like 10 more times in the second half.

00:49:09 Speaker_05
Yeah. So big picture, like Caleb is obviously an asset. He's obviously talented. They have to figure out the coach thing now, because you don't want this to go in a direction where, you know, he loses confidence.

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00:50:51 Speaker_05
We had San Francisco in the lead. Until today, I think it's the Jets. San Francisco was an elite season from now. Cause all the injuries they had and you know that they were zero 500 and yeah, just like what else can go wrong. McCaffrey misses 10 weeks.

00:51:08 Speaker_05
IU goes out for the year. They lose guys on defense. They blow a couple of dumb games. Like they were kind of felt seasoned from hellish, but now I think the Jets have locked it up.

00:51:18 Speaker_07
Well, it depends how you look at it. Like my quarterback's out for the year, maybe you didn't think he was doing much anyway, but the Jets quarterback is still hobbling around and you know he's not the right guy, right? So that's the season from hell.

00:51:31 Speaker_07
I'm fine with the Jets being the season from hell.

00:51:33 Speaker_05
Well, think about all the trades they've done. They fire their coach, they think that's gonna fix it. Then it's Devontae Adams is gonna be the savior, that's gonna finish. They have six points today for them.

00:51:44 Speaker_05
Some of the stats from this game, Tyler Murray completed 17 straight passes. At one point the jets allowed for 70 plus yard drives in the same game. The Cardinals had 28 first downs on 57 plays. And so that jumped out to me. I was like,

00:52:01 Speaker_05
That almost seems impossible. Like I gotta go and look at NFL history and see. So you can do it on that stat head thing. Teams that had 57 or less plays and 28 or more. It only happened one other time in the history of the league.

00:52:16 Speaker_05
The 2023 Niners, 53 plays, 30 first downs. There were three teams that ran 58 plays. and had 28 first downs or more, but that's how rare this is. That's how bad the Jets were. They were historically awful, giving up first downs on first or second down.

00:52:34 Speaker_07
I think the defense, remember coming into this year? Whatever, Rodgers was always gonna be a question mark. The Jets' defense is elite. All you need is Rodgers to be average. Well, Rodgers is a little below average.

00:52:45 Speaker_05
He just needs to be better than Zach Wilson.

00:52:46 Speaker_07
Yes, exactly, and he's not, if you look at how many points they have through week 10 this year and last. Do you want the exact number?

00:52:54 Speaker_05
a point, total points. Last year they averaged 16.6 points per game. This year they're averaging 18.3. Oh, really? Yeah. Rogers is worth 1.7 points more, but their defense is worse. And they lost Salah who

00:53:11 Speaker_05
you know, seven kids out, we made a lot of jokes, but their defense played better when he was that coach. So he just, as a Patriots fan, you have to love this, right?

00:53:20 Speaker_07
You have to absolutely love this.

00:53:21 Speaker_05
I have jets fans in my life that I have real affection for. And they're, they're about as downtrodden about football as any fan base I know. So I feel bad for that. But Rogers has just been such a prick last few years. It's hard. It's hard. Yeah.

00:53:39 Speaker_05
It's hard that like, you know, even like the trading Mike Williams and making them trade for Devante Adams and all this stuff and the coach getting fired.

00:53:48 Speaker_07
I love it. Ball goes right through Devante Adams hands on third down and then a big sack on fourth. It was just all falling apart. Yeah, I do feel bad for New York, just in general. New York teams are like five and 15. I know the Liberty won, that's fun.

00:54:01 Speaker_07
But for God's sakes, Jets over Giants for a year from hell? I guess so, only because of the expectations.

00:54:10 Speaker_05
Yeah, I guess if you're making the case for the Giants fans, they have to watch Daniel Jones. Yeah. Who, that Panthers game today. Did you wake up? Be honest. I woke up, it was seven nothing.

00:54:25 Speaker_05
Um, even though I flew in last night, I was still like, this game is to Germany eyes and make it beer garden jokes. I like, I gotta wake up. And, uh, and the Panthers are just awful. It's unbelievable that they went two in a row.

00:54:38 Speaker_05
Like I'm telling you, they're terrible. Like in Panthers fans can be like, fuck you.

00:54:42 Speaker_06
We're getting better. It's like, you're not, you're not a good team.

00:54:45 Speaker_07
I believe you. I believe you.

00:54:46 Speaker_06
you're really awful. You're terrible at football. You had no business winning the game. Like no missed a field goal.

00:54:53 Speaker_04
Jones had that interception. He threw in the late in the fourth quarter.

00:54:59 Speaker_05
you know, and then like they run that flea flicker and he misses the two completely wide open guys. And they're talking about how upset day ball is. It's like it was third and one and you're running a flea flicker with Daniel Jones.

00:55:10 Speaker_05
Like just hand the ball off.

00:55:12 Speaker_08
Yeah.

00:55:12 Speaker_05
Why are you, why are you making him do anything? It's like if I took my dog outside without a leash, right.

00:55:18 Speaker_05
And he, and he ran across street and ran up to the neighbor's yard and like, you know, trounce the flowers and then got in a fight with their dog. It's like, is that my dog's fault or is that my fault?

00:55:29 Speaker_06
Is it my fault for letting my dog out without a leash? Like, no, I'm just saying like, is this your parent corner? No, of course.

00:55:38 Speaker_04
It's like you've got a Jones on your team. Don't do a flea flickers with him.

00:55:42 Speaker_06
Don't have him throw in tight windows when you need a score inside the 20 yard line. Like it's idiotic.

00:55:51 Speaker_07
That'd be a good nickname for a dog, flea flicker. No, you're right, that was awful. I'm sorry you had to wake up for that. That was a hostage situation, keeping them for overtime to see the freaking Panthers win 20 to 17. They all seem drunk.

00:56:05 Speaker_07
They seem drunk and happy, the Germans. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Can I tell you, I want to pitch, and this would be better than hard knocks, and we make jokes about the flight back from London. I want to see the losing coach

00:56:17 Speaker_07
from checking into the airport, whether it's Heathrow or whatever, Munich, all the way through to flight New York.

00:56:24 Speaker_05
I wanna see it.

00:56:25 Speaker_07
I wanna see the losing coach fly home, wherever it is, Munich, Tanzania. I wanna see what he orders and drinks on the plane and what he says, if he's mean to the flight attendants and hear him cursing in his sleep.

00:56:40 Speaker_05
I'd watch that five hour stream. I would do it. I was mad, because House and I, for Million Dollar Picks, Giants to win by 14 plus and Niners to win by 14 plus. So they go down 7-0. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.

00:56:53 Speaker_05
But I also had the Giants in a money line. I did like a stupid parlay when I was in Boston. So I was like, all right, at least can the Giants just win this? And the Panthers are terrible. Yeah. like they're really bad. I Chubba Chuba, however, is good.

00:57:08 Speaker_05
Like, and he was probably the reason they run, but their team's just not good. They don't, they don't have any, they can't quit their downs. Like people are like, Oh, Bryce young look better today.

00:57:16 Speaker_05
It's like, okay, I guess he looked better than somebody who shouldn't be in the league, but it wasn't like he was good. Like he was missing that 39 throws all over the place. Doesn't really run.

00:57:27 Speaker_07
I think I was offered Chuba Hubbard and three fantasy trades this week. And I was mad at the people who proposed it. And then I looked at those numbers, I'm like, oh, they're pretty damn good.

00:57:37 Speaker_07
And I was like, I don't want to watch them and root for their offense, right? Why would you ever want that? Unless you live in the state.

00:57:43 Speaker_05
See, I feel like this maybe, even though I lost a little money on this this week, I still feel like long-term we're in a good spot because they're coming off a buy and then they have home games against Kansas City and Tampa. Who are you talking about?

00:57:57 Speaker_05
Carolina? Yeah, it'll be like, oh, Carolina, two game winning streak. They've righted the ship. And it's like, I don't think they've righted any ship. I think they stink. So I guess we'll find out.

00:58:09 Speaker_07
All right, what else did I have for you? Well, the problem is there's like nine teams at stake. We're gonna get like, we're gonna get like seven or eight teams with five, with six wins or fewer.

00:58:19 Speaker_07
It doesn't really happen if you look back in the last five years. There's like two or three teams with four, you know? But to get like, you know, close to 10 teams with like six wins, it's gross.

00:58:32 Speaker_05
When do we start taking the following teams seriously? Heading into week 11. Are we there yet? The Eagles are seven and two. Do you take them seriously as an actual contender who could be in the NFC title game?

00:58:47 Speaker_07
I do, and it's not just coming off this Dallas game, but I feel like they hit their stride. They got the running back they need. The tush push works with their frickin' backup. When stuff like that happens, I'm like, that's good.

00:59:01 Speaker_07
I still have the Lions a big step ahead of them, but yeah, they could be deep into January.

00:59:08 Speaker_05
not quite there yet. No, I want to see Thursday night. Yeah. There wins this year. Green Bay in that Brazil game. They beat the saints, the Browns, the giants. They beat the Bengals. That was a good win. No T Higgins beat the Jaguars.

00:59:20 Speaker_05
They beat your team, which was My team's good. A corpse.

00:59:24 Speaker_07
They're still not really fully healthy, I don't know if they'll get there, but that's the other thing.

00:59:30 Speaker_05
I wanna wait, because they play Washington this week, they're at the Rams, they're at Baltimore, and I know it's a cop-out, but I wanna wait for those three games.

00:59:38 Speaker_05
But they definitely look better than they did second half of last year, start of this year.

00:59:43 Speaker_07
Yeah, well this is where they were last year, right? About seven and two or something, then they just tanked the last six. I don't trust their coach. Do you trust the Cardinals yet? I like watching them, that's all I can really say.

00:59:54 Speaker_07
I like watching their offense, right? And they don't embarrass themselves on defense. And they have, what do you mean trust, like for the playoffs? Because that's. Are you taking them seriously yet? Yeah, yeah, I think I have to because of their schedule.

01:00:08 Speaker_07
And the fact that they're able to move the ball and don't seem afraid of any of these teams.

01:00:13 Speaker_05
They have the Pats in Carolina later.

01:00:15 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:00:16 Speaker_05
So that's probably two more wins. They play Seattle twice next three weeks. play Minnesota, they play the Rams, they play the Niners last week of the season. I think it's a 10-win team.

01:00:27 Speaker_07
Yeah, I think they're a 10-win team. Four-division game, so that's the key, right? A lot of these teams haven't played anyone in division, so that's big.

01:00:35 Speaker_05
I like how they can run the ball, and they're really fit. Connor is just, I remember when Pittsburgh let him go, I didn't think it was a big deal at all, right, did you? It's like, oh my God, they let James Connor go.

01:00:45 Speaker_05
Nobody said that, and I think he's been good in Arizona.

01:00:49 Speaker_07
McBride's good, they have some weapons. I was surprised to know that that was Harrison's fifth touchdown. I was about to come on tonight and go on a rant about how they've done.

01:00:57 Speaker_07
They've done well, despite the fact that this generational receiver hasn't produced, but five touchdowns, pretty good.

01:01:05 Speaker_05
Yeah, so playoff picker, if you got Detroit at eight and one, Minnesota seven and two, I'm still not positive as a playoff team, because Darnold seems like he's arrow-pointing down.

01:01:15 Speaker_05
Washington, Philly, Green Bay, and then you have Arizona, San Francisco, Rams. Six and four Arizona, five and four San Francisco, four and four Rams. I think they're a playoff team. I think they're gonna make it. I thought today was a key one.

01:01:29 Speaker_05
And I didn't, I house and I talked about it Thursday. I didn't understand the line. I didn't know what I was missing. I didn't understand why people were overrated in the jets based off that Texans game on a Thursday night.

01:01:41 Speaker_05
I think people always overrate those Thursday night games. I didn't think the jets were good. I thought Arizona was better. And to me it was like an easy bet, but the line shifted. The jets were favored heading into the game.

01:01:53 Speaker_05
And it's like, what am I missing with this Jets team?

01:01:55 Speaker_07
They suck. Isn't that what happened against Houston? Houston was favored by 1.5 when we did the pod, and then the Jets were favored. And as soon as that 1.5, which is the mysterious number this year, flips, I get in Sprinter's position.

01:02:07 Speaker_07
I'm like, I'm staying away from this game. When you figured it out, that was good for you that the Arizona, Arizona's minus 1.10 both ways, to make it or not make it.

01:02:18 Speaker_09
I like it.

01:02:19 Speaker_07
It's a fun one.

01:02:22 Speaker_05
The Chargers, I think I believe in them too. I think that's a five seed or a six seed. Excellent defense, excellent QB. Herbert's been really good this year. Excellent coach. Um, they can block their receivers.

01:02:35 Speaker_05
I think are a little better than we were expecting that Quentin Johnston who anybody could add in a fantasy draft. Nobody took them. They have a two game lead for the wild card. Here's the key though.

01:02:44 Speaker_05
Their next four is Cincy Baltimore at Atlanta at Casey. So they probably have to go two and two out of those four, three and one that they're golden, but two and two get sent to eight and five and they're cruising after that. But I think, yeah,

01:02:58 Speaker_05
I think that team knows who they are, and they're really well coached.

01:03:01 Speaker_07
Two weeks ago, I agree, they were minus 150 to make the playoffs. Last week, minus 310. Now, minus 430 to make the playoffs. And I'm just not used to the Chargers winning games they're supposed to win, right? Like, this is three weeks in a row.

01:03:14 Speaker_07
The Browns, the Saints, and the Titans. So, big test next week, as we said, with the Bengals. That's a fun game.

01:03:21 Speaker_05
I have some 2024 Dallas Cowboys silver linings for you. I thought we were off this like 25 minutes ago. Silver lining number one. Really good draft pick coming. You're gonna have like a top seven pick. Good.

01:03:36 Speaker_05
Now granted, Jerry's going to probably trade up so he could take Travis Hunter and put it next to CD lamb and be like, Oh, look at our receivers.

01:03:43 Speaker_06
Oh yeah. Travis Hunter and CD lamb. Oh my God. We have no, nobody who could block, but look at those two receivers.

01:03:51 Speaker_07
Uh, good job. He'll mortgage everything to get Travis Hunter should door Sanders and Dion to coach. That'll be, that's what I think I walked away. I think that's gotta be it. That's it? Like when Larry David quit the Jets?

01:04:03 Speaker_07
Yeah, because then he's just screwing with everybody. Right? Now it's like, oh, this was a practical joke. All right, Jerry. You're funny. You're the funniest owner.

01:04:12 Speaker_05
Silver lining, Belichick or Vrabel? Who would you pick? You got a choice of one. I think Vrabel. Yeah, I think that's the right pick. Really?

01:04:22 Speaker_07
Yeah. Let's get into this. Why?

01:04:24 Speaker_04
I think Vrabel's a really good coach and he's like 25 years younger than Belichick.

01:04:29 Speaker_07
Right. Yeah, but his girlfriend is not.

01:04:32 Speaker_08
She's only about four years old. Yeah.

01:04:34 Speaker_05
Girlfriend's 20 years older than Bow Chicks, bro. That's crazy. More Silver Linings. We don't have to watch TV segments about them anymore, because I just don't think by, I don't know, week 15, there's nothing left. No meat on the bone.

01:04:50 Speaker_07
NFL's in trouble a little bit with some of these night games and nothing they can do about Thanksgiving, but they've, you know, one thing you could always say about the Cowboys, even if they were out of playoff contentions, like, oh, everybody watches them because they have fantasy players.

01:05:02 Speaker_07
It's gonna be, it could be tough to start.

01:05:04 Speaker_05
Yeah, they shut down C.D. Lamb. C.D. Lamb, but in like three weeks. Yeah. C.D. Dallas has Luke in the Mavs, that's silver lining. I don't care.

01:05:11 Speaker_05
And then, even though you haven't made the Super Bowl since 95, there's a bunch of teams that have longer droughts than that. Detroit, Cleveland, the Jets, Minnesota, Miami hasn't made the Super Bowl since 1976. I know that.

01:05:27 Speaker_07
That's, oh man, I feel so fucking good.

01:05:29 Speaker_05
That's really good.

01:05:31 Speaker_07
Thanks, man.

01:05:32 Speaker_05
Oh, and curtains. You're gonna have curtains in the stadium, so the receivers will get blinded.

01:05:36 Speaker_07
Were we there, was the last WrestleMania there when we were there? I think it was. They were showing the curtains they put up to block the sun and everything. Yeah, it's this easy. They just use curtains. Yeah, you have the curtains.

01:05:50 Speaker_05
Um, the new coach theory is back house. Talk me out of it. That motherfucker. I'm a million dollar. Really? He was like, we can't bet on Derek Carr. He tried to murder his teammate last week. I was like, fine, we won't. And then new coach theory wins.

01:06:03 Speaker_05
Darren Rizzi, who sounds like somebody you'd be buddies with. Yeah.

01:06:08 Speaker_04
Coming and Brad and Darren Rizzi.

01:06:11 Speaker_06
Darren Rizzi at the far Lake. And he's in a fight with Ken. Harry had intervened because Ken got mad at Darren Rizzi.

01:06:20 Speaker_07
Oh, there's so much truth to that. I like this guy. He's fun. How am I not rooting for this team? He talked about the clog in the toilet this morning and his morning shit before the game. I was like, this should be my guy.

01:06:31 Speaker_07
And he has a player stretching out. He's like, one of my big things is. Well, what's the crazy commercial we see all the time with the Rizzy? Sky Rizzy?

01:06:43 Speaker_04
I mean, if he doesn't really make sense.

01:06:45 Speaker_07
He talked about clogging the toilet. We got to call him the clogger. Yeah. Oh, the clogger. Yeah. Clapper meet the clogger.

01:06:55 Speaker_05
Well, we had pit boss rich who treated us really well that one year with the Raiders. Yeah. We won on him a bunch of weeks. Now we got the clogger. Oh, I love the clogger.

01:07:05 Speaker_07
Is that good luck? Like, is he going to have to do that every Sunday now?

01:07:09 Speaker_05
Yeah. He's going to have to have a lot of like Metamucil cheese the night before a game.

01:07:14 Speaker_07
Bean burritos.

01:07:14 Speaker_05
Yeah. Oh, I broke my rule and bet on the Germany game, which I swore I wasn't going to do. I somehow did all my rules for the year. Don't bet on the Germany game. Don't bet on a game with two bad teams.

01:07:26 Speaker_05
I just, I come, I was sitting on a plane, um, before takeoff, which is I think the single most dangerous time to be on FanDuel. Yeah. And just like, ah, giants, like, you know, just killing time. Yeah.

01:07:40 Speaker_05
Next one, was Debo Samuel right or wrong for getting mad at the kicker? The guy missed three field goals. Like how many field goals did he have to miss? The long snapper, right? Wasn't it? No, he was mad at the kicker and the long snapper intervened.

01:07:53 Speaker_05
Oh, he went after, he got his throat.

01:07:55 Speaker_08
Yeah. Yeah.

01:07:55 Speaker_07
What an interesting- He was yelling at the kicker. I don't know what happened with Debo. There might be some medication issues. Did you see what he came in dressed as down the tunnel? And then he had a nice little leather number up top and then shorts.

01:08:12 Speaker_07
And then he's going after his long snapper's throat. But I think he's right. You can't cope missing all these kicks. It's craziness.

01:08:18 Speaker_05
Well, what's the right number of missed field goals before you're really allowed to get mad at the kicker without repercussions? Interesting. If he missed seven, could you get mad at him? Yeah, I think so. Three feels like the right number.

01:08:32 Speaker_05
Three, somebody in the team can at least side eye him.

01:08:35 Speaker_07
We have a buddy, Steven Green, who kicked, and he was a great kicker in high school, and then college, and then quit, and then we made a push for him to be on an arena team, and those goal posts are like, it's nothing.

01:08:47 Speaker_07
It's really like 18 inches away from each other. He missed, I think he was playing for like Gainesville, Florida or something, he missed the field goal, and they were like screaming at him on the bus the whole way back to wherever he was.

01:09:00 Speaker_07
They were in Alabama, he had to drive Florida. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of that, And just kicking in general, what happened like in September? They were blasting like 57 yards. It could no miss like a 40 yarder.

01:09:13 Speaker_07
And we saw that with the Lions too, that was crazy. With Fairbairn missing and Lions just turning it right around.

01:09:20 Speaker_05
This is a really bad omen for the Niners and it's something I bet against over the years and it's been successful when it gets toward playoff time. So, before this game today, they were 30th in special teams DVOA.

01:09:32 Speaker_05
So, they were one of the three worst teams. Today, they had three missed field goals and they muffed a punt return. They, they might have the worst special teams in the entire league.

01:09:41 Speaker_05
There's no way that's going to turn out well for them in the playoffs. Like no way. It always rears its ugly head week 18 round one, something bad happens with it.

01:09:52 Speaker_07
So I'm just flagging that now they don't even get to play the Cowboys. I know I looked at that. Do you know how many yards total yards? I know you said Baker was great today. The Tampa 215 total yards. I said, how is that game close?

01:10:04 Speaker_07
How is that 23 thirds?

01:10:05 Speaker_05
He was great because you had to watch it when they're like sacking him and he's just not going down. Even Brady was making noises with some of the Baker. Wow.

01:10:15 Speaker_06
Yeah.

01:10:16 Speaker_07
Do they have a meter? They should have a Brady noise. Mesa meters. Oh,

01:10:23 Speaker_05
Um, can Joe Flacco win the come down player of the year? You want to come back player of the year last year, come down or is interesting. Sam, John Darnold eligible just from the comeback and then the come down in the same year.

01:10:36 Speaker_07
Could we come back or should we go away? Should we come back and go away? Award go away.

01:10:42 Speaker_05
Just leave.

01:10:43 Speaker_07
Use the back door. I don't. I'll tell you what, I was proud of myself. I live bet the bills. I saw Flacco throw three passes. He definitely doesn't have that zip, right? Like we- It doesn't look great. He looked bad last week, too. Yeah, he did.

01:10:56 Speaker_07
The only thing, now it's all about how dare they bench Anthony Richardson. Like, all right, it was two weeks ago, he was like two for 15 at halftime with 28 yards.

01:11:05 Speaker_07
How about they figure something out where they put him in packages and figure out how to use two quarterbacks?

01:11:10 Speaker_05
Is that the worst thing in the world? So glad you brought this up. I've been dying for a team to do this where it's like one guy comes in and then the next series it's the other guy and we just, if I'm the other team I would hate that.

01:11:22 Speaker_05
It's like well both of these guys kind of suck but now that you're using both of them and I don't know what to do and what defenses to use basically.

01:11:30 Speaker_07
Listen, you're not gonna raise the level of Anthony Richardson's confidence putting him back there on third and 12, right?

01:11:38 Speaker_07
But if it's third and two and you're bringing him in, it's like, oh my God, now this guy's run for four first downs in a row, or if he's even faked a run and thrown from, that's a way to build it back up, I think.

01:11:50 Speaker_05
Seven turnovers combined for Joe Flacco and Sin Donald today. We're gonna take one more break for the podcast, then we're gonna do a guest alliance.

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So before we do guess the lines, the underdogs made a little bit of a comeback today, but you know what else has quietly made a comeback? I almost don't want to say it. I'm going to knock on wood. Um, the T's. has made a little bit of a resurgence.

01:13:25 Speaker_05
Eagles Chargers hit. I hit a four-teamer in real life. Eagles Chargers. Eagles Chargers. That's a two-teamer. Ravens on Thursday night. And then what was the other obvious one today? Eagles, Chargers. Did you have the Chiefs? No, it wasn't the Chiefs.

01:13:47 Speaker_05
What was the other one that was like a seven point game?

01:13:50 Speaker_09
Minnesota. No. San Francisco. No. Oh, Chargers is set. Chargers, Eagles. Oh, it was the Niners.

01:14:03 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:14:03 Speaker_09
Yeah. That one hit.

01:14:05 Speaker_07
That was good. Yeah. I like the teasers. I did a deep dive on something with teasers and you know how everybody always tells us we're playing it wrong.

01:14:15 Speaker_07
Like if a team's a five and a half point favorite and we tease it and then like the snooty gamblers don't talk to us for like three weeks, they get mad. Because we crossed the line. Because we crossed the zero.

01:14:25 Speaker_07
They said never do a teaser unless you're crossing the three key numbers, three, six, and seven. So if it's on the plus side, you wanna get it like plus one and a half,

01:14:36 Speaker_07
plus two and a half, and if you wanna bring it down, it's eight and a half, seven and a half, right there. I agree with that. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna do it. I just thought it was interesting.

01:14:47 Speaker_05
Well, on the other hand, you just could've teased the bills today to like plus one and a half, and you would've won, because you had the bills in the tease. Thursday night. Really good game. Eagles, Eagles, Washington.

01:15:01 Speaker_05
I would say this is probably the most exciting Thursday night game we've had. There's real stakes divisions at stake. Washington could go from 72 to seven and four and five days.

01:15:13 Speaker_09
Better hit it exactly.

01:15:14 Speaker_05
Cause I did. I was vacillating between two and a half and three and I went Eagles by two and a half. Good. All right.

01:15:24 Speaker_09
It's a three and a half. Oh, that's what I have. Okay. Not trusting Washington. A little high. I guess they think maybe the Eagles can run on Washington.

01:15:36 Speaker_07
That's a tough spot for Jaden Daniels, right? Still on the road in division.

01:15:44 Speaker_09
They're not gonna take the Eagles by surprise, that's for sure. Sunday marquee.

01:15:51 Speaker_05
That's a nice little seven point tease with Washington. Get them to 10 and a half. Sunday marquee game, Chiefs-Bills, game of the year so far probably, right? It's been a better game since maybe Chiefs-Ravens week one.

01:16:05 Speaker_07
Lots of fun.

01:16:07 Speaker_05
So, as I said earlier, I would've had the Bills by one or one and a half, but I think after today, I just think the Chiefs are gonna be favored. I just have Chiefs minus one.

01:16:19 Speaker_07
Wait, I had bills minus one and it's bills minus one and a half. I don't even understand that logic. What did you see out of the Chiefs that you love there?

01:16:28 Speaker_05
It was more what I saw from the bills. I feel like with the receivers.

01:16:34 Speaker_07
With receivers being out? I mean, I feel like he's got so much to do.

01:16:37 Speaker_05
Yeah, Cooper didn't play, Coleman didn't play. I don't know if those guys are playing next Sunday.

01:16:41 Speaker_07
You know, they have tight ends that can catch the ball. They have that Ray Davis guy. I feel like Allen gets it done. He figures it out eventually.

01:16:48 Speaker_05
Zero touchdowns and two picks today. Yeah. All right. And they still won. So you're telling me I get to bet on Patrick Bahomes as an underdog again, is what you're telling me. Yeah. Well, that's great news.

01:17:03 Speaker_05
because there's no better bet in sports, and I'll be making it.

01:17:07 Speaker_07
Well, you should make it soon, because I'm also telling you that the one and a halves have swung almost every time this year. So they could easily be giving one and a half Tuesday morning.

01:17:16 Speaker_05
Well, the move is to tease them right now with at least one game.

01:17:20 Speaker_07
Yeah, do it with your beloved commanders.

01:17:25 Speaker_09
The watchables. Five watchables this week. Steelers.

01:17:33 Speaker_05
home for the Baltimore Ravens. I think the Steelers are going to be favored by one and a half.

01:17:41 Speaker_07
Oh, wow. Way off. What do you mean way off? You'll love this in a teaser. I had Ravens by three. It's Ravens by three and a half.

01:17:50 Speaker_09
Get the fuck out of here.

01:17:52 Speaker_05
I guarantee I'm right on that. I guarantee you're wrong. No, I'm saying I guarantee my instinct on what that line should be is the right instinct. Oh, that's stupid.

01:18:04 Speaker_07
See, I thought the Steelers should have been favored over Washington, but Washington was favored over the Steelers, right? Baltimore's got a very big power right now.

01:18:12 Speaker_05
Steelers are good. All their dudes are back. Now, we'll see with Highsmith whether he's out for it, because he hurt his ankle in the fourth quarter.

01:18:18 Speaker_07
Yeah, you kind of need all hands on deck to beat the Steelers.

01:18:20 Speaker_05
Yeah, the Steelers were healthy until that happened, but.

01:18:23 Speaker_07
Well, they'll score. I mean, that's one thing with this Ravens, man, look out. There's no shortage of points when you play them. Their defense stinks.

01:18:31 Speaker_09
Yep. I should say their pass defense stinks.

01:18:36 Speaker_05
I think you can, if you're within seven points of them in the last 10 minutes of a game, you can go down the field and throw the ball at them over and over again and they can't stop it.

01:18:45 Speaker_07
That was a great Thursday game, too. That was a lot of fun. It was. Yep. And Zach Taylor, we kill him a lot, but go for two. Nice, we need a different play, but that was a good decision, I thought. It was a good decision.

01:18:59 Speaker_05
I thought to put up that kind of offense without Higgins was really impressive. And Chase was obviously out of his mind, but no, they're good.

01:19:09 Speaker_05
And Chase Brown had that fumble and I just felt like that was an either or game and the Bengals have somehow lost three of those this year. I'm putting this in the watchables just because Drake May for me is now just in the watchables category.

01:19:24 Speaker_05
I'm in charge against the Lions, I can do whatever I want. I have the Rams at the Patriots, and I have the Rams favored by three and a half.

01:19:34 Speaker_07
I said four and a half, it is five and a half. Just a little bit off there. Stop it, Vegas. Wait, what was the line today? That's stupid.

01:19:46 Speaker_05
The crowd's going to be in on- Six and a half? The Pats fans are in on Drake May. This would be a good crowd on Sunday. I know, I'm seeing this. I think there's real excitement about him now. Yeah, that's too high. I think that drops.

01:20:01 Speaker_09
Maybe a little.

01:20:03 Speaker_05
Jets, Colts, I think has to be a watchables because this is, the Jets are kind of train wreck TV now, right? It's like when my wife watches Below Deck Australia. It's not a good show, but weird shits happen in every episode.

01:20:20 Speaker_05
I feel like that's the Jets. What is that shit? What is that? Below Deck Australia. The Below Deck. Your wife doesn't watch Below Deck? No, I'm on The Penguin right now. It's a reality show. It's like these people that work on

01:20:32 Speaker_05
yachts, and these people rent the yachts for a week, so they have to work for the people, but it's all about underneath the boat, all the relationships, they're all hooking up, getting mad at each other, but then they have to deal with these people that rented the boat for the week.

01:20:47 Speaker_07
My wife loves this show. That's fun. Are you buying another yacht? Is that what you're saying? What do you mean another yacht? Well, you have one, and then this would be another. I don't have any yachts. All right. Come on, I'm just joshing. You're joshing?

01:21:05 Speaker_07
I'm just joshing, yeah. You're going to get this one.

01:21:10 Speaker_05
Jets home for the Colts. I have the Jets minus two. Oh, all right. I had two and a half. It's three and a half.

01:21:17 Speaker_07
Come on, this is good.

01:21:18 Speaker_05
I haven't gotten one right yet.

01:21:20 Speaker_07
this is good, no, I'm up five nothing. This is insurmountable at this point.

01:21:25 Speaker_05
It's usually a bad sign for my betting when I'm off on the lines like this.

01:21:29 Speaker_07
Well, how long are they gonna be in the Jets' corner, these odds makers? Because this is a little bit silly.

01:21:35 Speaker_05
I thought this would be the week when maybe they watched the Jets and saw that they gave up four 70-yard-plus drives and 28 first downs and 57 plays, and were like, maybe this team's not good. Broncos home for the Falcons.

01:21:49 Speaker_05
This is like an actual good game that I'm excited to watch who'd have thought Falcons by one and a half over the Broncos This was Falcons one night.

01:22:00 Speaker_07
You get to think I'm screwing with you. It was Falcons one and a half I said Denver minus one. It's Denver minus one and a half now. I Promise that's how it went and they should be favored Denver should be favored

01:22:14 Speaker_07
You don't think they're better than Atlanta right now?

01:22:16 Speaker_05
I mean, Atlanta could have three less wins and it would totally make sense. Right. Last one, Niner Seahawks. It's in San Francisco. I think this just absolutely pulsates of the Vegas zone. And I'm going to say Niners by five. You get this one.

01:22:36 Speaker_07
I said four and a half. It's six and a half. That's high. I think they play two out of the next three weeks. Is that possible?

01:22:47 Speaker_09
Yeah, so if you look at Seattle right now, which- Oh no, they played already, sorry.

01:22:53 Speaker_05
Yeah, go ahead. Seattle season isn't over, but it's not looking great. They're four and five. And they have at San Francisco, home Arizona, at Jets, at Arizona.

01:23:06 Speaker_05
and they have to go at least three and one in those four, I think, to even sniff the playoffs.

01:23:11 Speaker_08
I agree.

01:23:13 Speaker_07
Four and O ideally. I don't know, is Metcalf gonna play? It seems so important to them, like A.J. Brownish.

01:23:25 Speaker_05
Be fairly watchables. Packers at the Bears. The Bears are not watchable, I can attest to that today. I'm gonna say Packers by three and a half for this.

01:23:36 Speaker_07
Yeah, I said that too, and we're way off, let's say. Six and a half, oof.

01:23:42 Speaker_05
I guess that makes sense, because the Bears look awful.

01:23:44 Speaker_07
Everyone's out on them. Why can't Vandal be out on the Jets like they are the Bears? I'll say this, if they fire their coach, I'll be betting the Bears in that game. Oh, interesting. Does he have to clog the toilet, or you'll do it like... The clogger?

01:23:58 Speaker_07
Shit unseen, yeah.

01:24:01 Speaker_06
I love the clogger.

01:24:02 Speaker_05
Keep up with the new coach day in and day out. This podcast was a success.

01:24:06 Speaker_08
You did a good job.

01:24:08 Speaker_05
Lions are home for the Jaguars and you can't quite go to 10 for this. I'm gonna say nine and a half.

01:24:15 Speaker_07
Oh, you can. I said 11 and a half. It's 12 and a half. Oh, stop it. That's stupid. I mean, they're just gonna kill some teams, right? Yeah, but that's stupid. I love that, three-team teaser. Coming off like an emotional win. We're doing it, three-team.

01:24:30 Speaker_05
Oh, so we could three-team tease that still at 12 and a half.

01:24:32 Speaker_07
That's what I mean. Yeah, you could get the Chiefs. Wait, can we take the Chiefs to 11 and a half? Yeah, you can.

01:24:37 Speaker_05
Oh, I'm doing that one. And then the Jets to plus six, no, no. No, I'm not touching that. Last one is Dolphins Raiders in Miami.

01:24:49 Speaker_09
And I said dolphins by 6 1⁄2. You got it exactly.

01:24:52 Speaker_05
Good job. I said five, 6 1⁄2 it is. Poopfecta, Vikings at Tennessee. I have Vikings by 3 1⁄2. Oh no, you went low here. I said 5 1⁄2, it's 6 1⁄2. Yeah, I'm putting that game on upset watch.

01:25:12 Speaker_07
They're not screwing around with these lines. They're like, we're not, you know, even though I know the underdogs you know, fired away today.

01:25:19 Speaker_05
They're making the Vikings easily, easily, easily could have lost that game today. The Jaguars. I know, but look at the numbers. I know, I know what you're saying. It was sitting there as a loss and the Jaguars are just too stupid.

01:25:32 Speaker_05
Saints are home for the Browns. New coach theory still in existence for the second week. I got the Saints by one and a half.

01:25:42 Speaker_07
All right, you get this. I had, I don't know, why am I doing the pick'ems? It's so stupid. It's two and a half.

01:25:50 Speaker_09
Sunday night. Chargers, Bengals.

01:25:56 Speaker_05
I have a must win for the Bengals. I'm gonna say Chargers by one and a half. Oh no, are you making a comeback here? I said one. One and a half it is. That's in LA. I don't think there's gonna be a huge Cincinnati crowd.

01:26:10 Speaker_07
Nine to five. Can we go to that? We should go to that and do the podcast right afterwards in the park.

01:26:19 Speaker_05
Monday night, Texans, Cowboys battle for Texas, putting it in the, in the man cusp of the Vegas zone. Texans minus five and a half at Dallas. Oh no. I said seven at six and a half.

01:26:34 Speaker_09
I get it.

01:26:35 Speaker_07
All right. You won the week. All right. Six, four, one overall. I love it in weeks. Yeah, that, uh, I, the league must be so pissed. They have to show the Cowboys in prime time. What a disaster. Can we talk basketball for one second? Sure.

01:26:52 Speaker_09
I'm going to go clog the toilet. Go ahead.

01:27:01 Speaker_05
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01:27:41 Speaker_05
I have this basketball thing, I didn't want to wait until Tuesday because I think it's important. You know Giannis, the Bucks lost again today, they're 2-8. Yeah, what's up?

01:27:49 Speaker_05
And I think the Giannis trade stuff is really going to start, people making up fake trades. So as I said, I went to that Nets Celtic game on Friday. And the Nets are like pretty good. They traded bridges for all these picks.

01:28:06 Speaker_05
They were supposed to try to tank. They got their pick back. They have just a shitload of picks. They have Cam Thomas, who I was really impressed by, who's a very good scorer.

01:28:16 Speaker_05
They have Cam Johnson, they have Nick Claxton, they have Schreuders playing really well. They have a bunch of good, not stars, but enough of a team that the team makes sense when you watch it. They're good, they play defense. I like them.

01:28:31 Speaker_05
I think I actually think they're a playing team. At least I think they can just go all in for Yannis because people are going to ask this week, who's the team that makes sense for Yannis. I'm going to be like, what about Miami?

01:28:43 Speaker_05
What about, I actually think it's Brooklyn. I think Brooklyn's going to be the team that trades for them because they can just overwhelm Milwaukee with all these picks. They own their own first in 2025. They own Phoenix's first.

01:28:56 Speaker_05
They own the Knicks first. They own Milwaukee's first, which is one through four protected. If it's five or after, they get it. So the Bucs can get their pick back. They own their own first in 26 and 29.

01:29:08 Speaker_05
In 27, they can swap with, or Houston can swap with them. They own the Knicks first in 27. They have Philly one through eight protected in 27. They have their own, they have the Knicks first in 29.

01:29:20 Speaker_05
They have another Dallas, Phoenix, Houston, worst pick in 29. They have all their own first. They have a Nick's first in 31. Like they just can say, Hey, Milwaukee, here's Ben Simmons is expiring contract. And here are all these picks.

01:29:36 Speaker_05
Just take all of them. Take as many as you want and give us Janice and put Janice in Brooklyn. I think it makes sense. Cause I think Milwaukee needs to get out of this. this Dame Giannis thing.

01:29:46 Speaker_05
I just think they have to trade Dame and trade Giannis and just, they won the title, get out of this. And to me, it's either Brooklyn or Houston. Cause Houston's the other team that could, they have picks and young players.

01:29:58 Speaker_05
It's just like, if I'm Giannis, would I rather go to Brooklyn or Houston? I don't know. So anyway, is it crazy to think Brooklyn could trade for Giannis? No, why not?

01:30:05 Speaker_07
Well, could you go over their picks they have one more time?

01:30:08 Speaker_05
No, but I just wanted to make the point how many picks they had.

01:30:11 Speaker_07
How about this though? Here's the only way I could be helpful. I'm looking at the nets to make the playoffs 22 to one.

01:30:17 Speaker_08
So this is why I brought this up.

01:30:19 Speaker_05
Because to me it's conceivable that out of nowhere it would be like, oh my God, Brooklyn traded nine first round picks, Ben Simmons' contract, and two swaps. This is the most picks anyone's ever given up for a player in the history of the NBA.

01:30:35 Speaker_05
But then you look at Brooklyn, so regular season wins right now. Their over is 21 and a half. You look for to make the playoffs. Yes. It's 22 to one to win the conference.

01:30:51 Speaker_05
Um, they don't have it for the East right now, but the point is like, if you think Giannis is going to get traded, play them, play Houston. I don't think Golden State has enough because Milwaukee's gonna want to pick.

01:31:04 Speaker_05
I think it's Houston or Brooklyn are the two teams that have all the picks.

01:31:08 Speaker_07
So if they had odds for where Giannis is traded to, I haven't seen them. If they do, I don't think they do. They wouldn't be 22 to one for the Nets, right? They would not. So this would be the bet. There would be like six to one for the Nets or something.

01:31:21 Speaker_05
Houston's minus 128. Houston made that trade. They have Brooklyn's 2026 first. They can swap Brooklyn in 27. They have a Phoenix first 27. They own all their own picks. They have a Phoenix or Dallas first 29.

01:31:39 Speaker_05
They have enough to put a Giannis thing together with some contracts, give them a young player. The problem is they gave extensions to Green and Shangoon. So I don't think those guys can be in the trade. but they could patch stuff together.

01:31:53 Speaker_05
But I think those are the two teams. I don't think Miami has enough. Miami would have to put Adebayo in it, and if you're Miami, you're trading Adebayo and all these picks to basically put Giannis on the same kind of team he's on now.

01:32:06 Speaker_05
If you're Brooklyn, you have all these role players you can put with them, then you'll have the cap space maybe to get some other guys. You have shooting, you have, I don't know. Anyway, I just wanted to put that.

01:32:16 Speaker_07
My wife was saying all the same things today, yeah. Let me ask you this, Giannis, if I would have told you second week in November, Giannis is 25 to one to win MVP, and he's not injured, what would you have thought happened?

01:32:30 Speaker_07
Like what the hell would you? I would have thought he got hurt. Yeah, but I'm telling you, he's not injured. Like this is, I guess you would just, they'd have no wins, I guess is what you would have to think.

01:32:40 Speaker_05
Well, he'll never be 25 and one again now, but let's say he got traded to Houston and they became like a four seed.

01:32:47 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:32:48 Speaker_05
You know, those are the only two teams I can see. Cause I'm going to go through everybody else. I'm going to bet these, the, uh, If you go through all the other teams, I just don't see another team.

01:33:00 Speaker_05
Because some people have thrown Golden State around, and I don't see how they could do a trade that could compete with Brooklyn. If I'm Brooklyn, I need to do whatever I can to get Giannis, because I'm completely irrelevant.

01:33:13 Speaker_07
It doesn't matter. But how much is this you drumming this up?

01:33:17 Speaker_05
It's me completely drumming this up, because I went to the game Friday, and I was really impressed by the team they had.

01:33:24 Speaker_07
No, but would they trade? They're likely not going to trade. What's the odds that they even trade?

01:33:30 Speaker_05
Let's say they made me a consultant to the franchise and they're like, what do we do? I would trade Giannis and Dame right now.

01:33:36 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:33:37 Speaker_05
Like you have no chance to win a title with this team. Trade these guys. Now you got the title from Giannis. You have no picks left. You have no path to ever be, ever be a title contender with the group you have now, like cut the cord.

01:33:50 Speaker_05
Now try to trade for one of these teams before these picks go away to somebody else. Cause the only other team is Oklahoma city and they're not going to do anything.

01:33:59 Speaker_07
All right. I'll do 22 to one. I mean, I have to, it has to make sense that I lost the last seven minutes of my life. I have to do 22 to one here.

01:34:07 Speaker_05
I like it. Listen, this will be a YouTube clip that gets at least 80,000 views. Saruti is so excited. Saruti, come in for a second. Are you there? Oh no. I love Saruti. What's he doing? Saruti? What's up? Brooklyn or Houston? Is there anyone else?

01:34:26 Speaker_03
Why does Giannis want to go there? Why does he want to go to Brooklyn? Oh, that's the other.

01:34:30 Speaker_06
Why does he want to stay in Milwaukee?

01:34:32 Speaker_03
I mean, it just seems like he if he actually does like pulling the plug on this and I want to get out. He's going to have more suit.

01:34:39 Speaker_03
I just feel like he's going to have the pull to be like, I don't want to go to Brooklyn, do this is like the worst place in the NBA for me to go. Wow.

01:34:44 Speaker_05
New York City.

01:34:47 Speaker_03
Is it though? Technically, yes. I know.

01:34:53 Speaker_05
No state taxes.

01:34:53 Speaker_03
Houston. Houston's great. Yeah. I mean, they have the assets like I, I mean, that'd be a great spot for him, but I just, I don't know why anyone would want to go to Brooklyn. Damn it.

01:35:04 Speaker_05
Golden state would be the other one if, uh, but I just don't know what the trade is with that. because they don't have the same kind of picks. Kaminga, it's just, it's not even close to what the other teams could get.

01:35:16 Speaker_03
All right, so Serena says- It'd have to be like, I don't want to be there, right? It'd have to be, hey, just trade me here. Like, but what, he just signed a contract, essentially. What levers does he have? I don't know.

01:35:24 Speaker_05
I was thinking like, what if, what if it was Anthony Davis and all the rest of the Laker picks? Oh, wow. Man. What do they trade have to look like? But I didn't even, it was like this door I didn't even want to open. It's like the door in the attic that,

01:35:40 Speaker_05
you don't wanna open, because there's some ghost that's gonna come out of this.

01:35:43 Speaker_07
Does LeBron agree to it, if they want Bronny? If Milwaukee says, we're only doing it if you throw Bronny.

01:35:48 Speaker_05
Bronny has to be in the trade to make the salaries work. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Those are the only ones. You go through all the teams, it's really hard. All right, thanks, Rudy. Thanks for throwing more water on my brook than I did. Sorry.

01:36:04 Speaker_05
Let's do some Parent Corner. What do you got? Let's do it.

01:36:07 Speaker_07
What do I have here? Oh, all right, so, well, first of all, like, you know, there's a lot of traveling in these tournaments and we have friends in town. So I told my wife, I'm like, I can't go wherever the tournament is.

01:36:19 Speaker_07
It's in Santa Barbara, which is not close, right? So that's an overnight thing. My wife goes with my son. It's a baseball tournament. It's two days. They leave like Friday right after school. First of all, the school thing is crazy.

01:36:31 Speaker_07
They had teacher conferences all week. So they're out at noon every day, five days in a row out at noon.

01:36:37 Speaker_07
off monday for uh for vets day tomorrow um okay so anyway they go on this thing uh you're not gonna have a problem with this but i promise it's relatable i see on the parent text chain that um my wife paid for the dinner last night and it's like hey um there's no way to tell how much uh everybody paid so you could vend me here and venmo me here and there wasn't a lot of uh

01:37:04 Speaker_07
Oh, thank you so much. Yes, I will Venmo you right away. And I'm looking at this bill right when I have a ton on the Chiefs' money line. It looks like they're about to fucking blow it. I'm like, no! It's like the worst news I saw on my phone in months.

01:37:19 Speaker_07
Well, you had the Chiefs tied to a whole bunch of games yesterday, right? Oh yeah, exactly. I had a lot of this from Saturday coming over. I'm like, shit, I'm going to get 30% of the money back. But anyway, that's no big deal.

01:37:31 Speaker_07
Whatever that ends up being, fine. My kid goes, they win, they come in second place, and there's a picture of the team with their second place rings, and everybody's happy.

01:37:43 Speaker_07
It was like five or six games during the weekend, and they had their rings, and I'm scanning the picture, and there's my kid with a sourpuss face, not even showing his ring, purposely putting his hand behind his back, because he's not okay with coming in second place.

01:38:01 Speaker_07
And I was like, so he just came home before the podcast. They just made it home. I was like, dude, look at this. You look ridiculous here. This kid's laying on the dirt, like celebrating, waving, showing their rings. He's like, I don't like it.

01:38:13 Speaker_07
I don't even like the ring. I'm not even gonna display it. It's kind of like a nice ring for a kid. I was like, you're a Cowboys fan and a Mets fan. You have to be used to losing by now.

01:38:26 Speaker_04
This is crazy.

01:38:28 Speaker_07
Yes, exactly. Look at how the country is reacting to second place. You should love it. So I don't know if I should push this more or where should I be? This is a delicate balance, right? I love it.

01:38:44 Speaker_05
He's a championship kid. He just wants titles, that's it. He's all about the titles. He doesn't like this trophy generation we live in. He wants real titles. He doesn't want to patent it back for a finishing second.

01:39:01 Speaker_07
I do respect it, but I'm going to take that ring and sell it and try to get some of that dinner money back from last night. My wife will never recoup.

01:39:11 Speaker_05
You don't think she's gonna be circling back a week from now, like, hey, just a heads up.

01:39:16 Speaker_06
Some of you still owe me for dinner on Saturday.

01:39:20 Speaker_07
Because they'll be like, oh, Margaret owes me, but then I had a drink with her the other day, so it all evens out. It's all gonna even out somehow, except there's gonna be no money coming our way. I do love the parents, though, I do.

01:39:32 Speaker_07
I have to say, most of them listen to this podcast, but the timing of it with the Chiefs and the field goal, it wasn't ideal.

01:39:41 Speaker_05
So I went back to Boston, because my daughter plays soccer for Emerson. And she was hurt last year, which we talked about on the pod. And she had a hamstring and then a knee thing. And the knee thing didn't go away, didn't go away.

01:39:56 Speaker_05
And by February, it still wasn't going away. So we started going to doctors to see what was going wrong. I didn't talk about this. I had these different opinions from people thinking what it was.

01:40:07 Speaker_05
One of the doctors thought she might have a partially torn ACL, and we were like, oh my god, like you get surgery after a year. Another one was like, no, it's just banged up, you gotta rehab the muscles around it, it's gonna heal.

01:40:18 Speaker_05
You have a really bad bruise. Basically, every doctor said something different, so we decided, all right, just rehab your legs, put real time in it, try to build everything up around, get in really good shape, and see if you can come back.

01:40:32 Speaker_05
So she really was committed to it the whole spring, the whole summer. She didn't play spring soccer. She didn't even really start practicing until August, and just tried to work on her legs, getting back, and they put her on her minute schedule.

01:40:45 Speaker_05
Raises up, raises up. And we get to beginning of October, start league play. She scores in the first game. Two days later, somebody bangs her in the knee. She has a bruised knee, like what Paul George had.

01:40:57 Speaker_05
So now she's like limping around and we're just like, and she's like, I'm so tired of being injured. Um, this sucks. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking like, this really might be it. Like I can see her, you know, like she's just so tired of being hurt.

01:41:11 Speaker_05
And so she was still playing, but not as much. And she was like 80, 90%, but not a hundred. Um, and then the last week or so she felt good again. And so they put, they gave her more minutes.

01:41:22 Speaker_05
So they were in the league playoffs and she played a lot of minutes in the Tuesday game and they won and she scored. So they went, they had a round two game. So I was like, I'm fucking flying back. I'm going back, that's it.

01:41:34 Speaker_05
So flew back, they had this game, which they lost one nothing. It was like your classic soccer game that they had most of the chances and whatever. But she played like 78 minutes and she looked like her.

01:41:46 Speaker_05
It was the first time she really looked, you know, this last week where she's flying around and I was just thinking like, I was like, I thought it was going to be over, you know, and now we got two years left, hopefully.

01:41:57 Speaker_05
And hopefully she could stay healthy.

01:41:58 Speaker_05
But I was thinking like with the stuff you talk about with your son, when you go through all these little steps with them, um, you know, from like a YSO in the beginning to when they're on club team and you kind of don't know when the journey is going to end.

01:42:10 Speaker_05
And it was just really cool to watch her flying around a hundred percent. I was like, I didn't know if I was going to see it again. That's great. So now she's got two years left.

01:42:19 Speaker_05
She's going to hopefully keep the legs going and you know, you got to keep your fingers crossed. You never get hurt. But, but we were talking about after I was like, you have two years left and then that's it. Um, especially like people who play D3.

01:42:32 Speaker_05
A lot of them are doing it because they're not getting paid to play for the school. It's not like when you get a scholarship in D1, but the people that stick with it really love it, and she really loves it. So. That's awesome.

01:42:45 Speaker_05
There are pro leagues, though. What do you mean? It doesn't have to be over. But you see, as your kids get older and you see all the teammates they had, and people start dropping out, right? And they drop out for different reasons. They get hurt.

01:42:57 Speaker_05
They don't want to keep the commitment to it. And at some point, people hit some sort of thing where they're like, do I really love doing this and having a part of my life or I don't? And they can, that's when they, they kind of go sideways with it.

01:43:10 Speaker_05
And it might happen when they're 15, 16, maybe they get a boyfriend, like, and then some people stick with it. So she, you know, she's, she still really loves it, but it was, uh, it was super cool watching her fly around.

01:43:22 Speaker_05
Cause it was like, I was thinking like, I've been watching her play soccer since I was, you know, since 2009, 2008, whatever. But it was cool. I was glad I flew back. We got to hang out, went to the Celtic game on Friday. Good times.

01:43:37 Speaker_07
Well, listen, I'm proud of her for scoring a goal. I have a second place ring if she'd like. It might be a little small, but if she, I could ship it to her there at Everson. But no, you know, it's a great, it's fun and enjoy the next two years.

01:43:50 Speaker_07
But it gets me mad that Why are there four opinions on this knee? If you had had surgery, you would have been robbed of that. It's 2024.

01:43:59 Speaker_05
I know, and who knows if we even made the right decision or not. I'm sure we're gonna look at it again, but the body's a crazy thing. You have these different people look at it, and it's not like they're right or wrong.

01:44:11 Speaker_05
They see what they see, and they judge it a certain way. You know, sometimes you start wondering is somebody's snake bit, you know, like, God damn, how do you how does you bang the same knee right after it was fine?

01:44:26 Speaker_08
Right.

01:44:26 Speaker_05
Anyway, she she loves it. It was fun. It was, you know, I think next year's team will be good. So it was a good experience.

01:44:33 Speaker_07
Nice. That's good.

01:44:35 Speaker_05
That's good. I think I have one more parent corner thing for you. I wanted to mention. Oh, I can't see, I can't do any of the Ben Simmons ones. Can we do like a Patreon where it's just like it's a subscription? Well, I don't know.

01:44:51 Speaker_07
If the subscription, if it's worth it, we'll pay for your medical expenses, I guess so, yeah. I just really wish I could do the Ben Simmons ones. If you asked him ahead of time, say, can I talk about this, he would absolutely say no.

01:45:04 Speaker_05
I should probably, we should probably be recording them and then 10 years from now I can run some of them. He's like 27. Seems like it would be the way to go. All right, that's it for Karen Corner. What else do you have, anything?

01:45:17 Speaker_07
That's it, through the ringer with Tate against the Lodds a couple times this week. We did the ringer pregame show, I'm eight and two with my wisest wagers. That Texans, I was gonna be so mad if the Texans plus three and a half didn't cover.

01:45:30 Speaker_07
And Roy Jones Jr. on Cousin Sal's winning weekend. We're gonna talk about the Tyson fight. A lot of people now like Tyson. What are the odds on the Tyson fight? It's plus 230. It was plus 250.

01:45:43 Speaker_07
It's tightening up and I bet it's even tighter than that come like Friday. I don't know.

01:45:51 Speaker_05
You seem bummed out about the Tyson's fight. It's everything you like and everything you don't like all wrapped into one sporting event.

01:45:58 Speaker_07
What's the most the most likely scenario. He just gets jabbed to death. They give Paul the decision because he's the more marketable fighter and Tyson doesn't care. Is that probably the most, right?

01:46:11 Speaker_05
He wins by decision. Tyson's so old. I just don't understand how he would win a fight against anybody.

01:46:18 Speaker_07
Yeah. I watched Paul against Fury again. The, you know, the Tyson Fury's brother who was the only real boxer. Yeah. It was good. He's decent. He was decent again. He lost, but he was decent. Yeah. We're betting Tyson.

01:46:32 Speaker_05
Yeah, we're definitely betting Tyson. We were watching that fight together, too. Yeah. Hell yeah. All right, cuz. Good job by you, as always.

01:46:40 Speaker_10
Good job by you, buddy. wayside