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Episode: "Daniel Craig"

Author: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
Duration: 01:00:33

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Lay out your reefer jacket and matching trousers, we have a Commander in the Royal Navy a.k.a. Mr. Daniel Craig giving orders this week. We examine self-reflections such as “do I want to turn into a film horse?” what it’s like to be a Storm Trooper, a numb thumb and

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Summary

In this episode of 'SmartLess,' hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett engage in a lively conversation with actor Daniel Craig, exploring humorous and insightful topics ranging from his experiences as a Stormtrooper to his reflections on parenthood and the challenges of fame. Craig shares his journey into acting spurred by early influences from Liverpool's Everyman Theater and discusses the intense role of James Bond, showcasing his desire to explore comedy and the emotional weight of his career. The dialogue captures the hosts' authentic camaraderie, filled with laughter and candid discussions about the entertainment industry.

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00:00:05 Speaker_01
All right, so we're having a cold open contest right here. We're trying to create the world's worst cold open- I think this might be it. Well, not yet. I'm just teeing it up. Will, would you like to start the world's worst cold open?

00:00:24 Speaker_03
Hey man, it's freezing in here. Who left the door open? That's good. Pretty good. Welcome to Smart List.

00:00:48 Speaker_01
It feels like we haven't done this for quite a while. I miss you guys. We canceled a record last week, I think? Yes, we had to. So it's been a couple weeks? Is that right? Yeah.

00:00:59 Speaker_02
It's been a few weeks. Well, we saw each other Saturday. We did. We did. But we haven't done this. We haven't done this in quite a while. We haven't. Jay, how's your sty, by the way? Jason's got a big... Stye in his right eye.

00:01:12 Speaker_01
It's disgusting. Are we going wide on this? I guess. I can lean in. Yes, we are. You know what?

00:01:18 Speaker_03
It actually looks... Is it better?

00:01:22 Speaker_01
It does look better. I started an antibiotic last night, so that's supposed to... Already? Yeah. I know. I know.

00:01:29 Speaker_03
You wanted to wait two weeks just to make sure?

00:01:31 Speaker_01
It's all about trying to find the right doctor. Yeah. So, anyway, so I think I'm with the right one now, and this, what is now a ball bearing of pus that it will not release from my eyelid, I think is gonna start to lessen and ultimately disappear.

00:01:45 Speaker_01
I would love that.

00:01:46 Speaker_03
So, you found a full-release doctor? I did, yeah.

00:01:51 Speaker_01
And insurance covered it all.

00:01:52 Speaker_03
That's so stupid.

00:01:52 Speaker_02
It was a small copay, but... I feel like the term doctor might be pretty loosely applied. Jason, I'm not even kidding. Will you please video this shit coming out?

00:02:04 Speaker_01
I asked him to drain me yesterday. Hang on, hang on.

00:02:07 Speaker_03
Again, this is the doctor. Can I get the number? Because I feel like we're getting our signals crossed.

00:02:13 Speaker_01
He said, no, just take this pill and you should be okay soon. Good, I hope so. Until then, I'm going to wear these glasses so people don't really see it.

00:02:22 Speaker_03
Which is different because, Sean, you told me once that a guy gave you a pill and then he drained you. Is that true? All for pretty affordable copay. You woke up and you had been drained.

00:02:33 Speaker_02
Yeah, but I willingly took the pill. I know you did. By the way, speaking of stuff, I'm making this up. Yesterday, somehow I got in the subject. Oh, I was talking about this Saturday too. I YouTubed childbirth. I've never seen a child being birthed.

00:02:50 Speaker_02
I don't know, I kind of wanted to just see it.

00:02:52 Speaker_01
Hang on, how does your day kind of lay out where you find yourself on a YouTube search and then specifically for childbirth?

00:03:01 Speaker_02
Yeah, because I was talking to my friend Kevin about it, and Carrie, and she, and I don't know, we just... Kevin and Carrie, friends of the podcast.

00:03:07 Speaker_02
Yeah, that's correct, and all of us, and so yeah, but they, I don't know, we got on the subject of childbirth. Oh, because a friend of mine, a friend of ours, just had a baby, and Chris Pratt and Katherine Schwarzenegger had a baby boy named Ford.

00:03:23 Speaker_01
Yes, congrats to them. Wait, we need to sway. We need to send a gift. Yeah, we gotta send them something. Do you think they're registered? Some smartless swag.

00:03:29 Speaker_02
No, I'll put my name on it. I'll put your names on it. I sent something, but I'll put your names on it. Thanks. So you saw the childbirth, and what was your reaction?

00:03:36 Speaker_02
No, so I was talking to people about it, and I was like, wow, I mean, I had no- It comes out of there? I had no idea that to watch it actually being, to come out and- And the head comes out all elongated? Yes, yes, and the whole body comes out.

00:03:53 Speaker_01
First time I saw it, I thought something was wrong.

00:03:56 Speaker_03
I was there for the birth of all three of my boys. Oh, wow, what a dad. And they were- All three were caesarean C-sections, which was... That's tough to watch. That was my point.

00:04:11 Speaker_01
You empty out the whole market there.

00:04:13 Speaker_03
Dude, and I'm like, yeah, it's gonna be fun. I remember the first time being like, it's gonna be fun.

00:04:17 Speaker_02
And then looking and just going, oh... Stomach, intestine, spleen, liver, everything on the table. By the way, you know what a platinum gay is? A baby that comes out, who turns out to be gay, who never even went through the canal. Had a C-section.

00:04:32 Speaker_02
So not only- Has never once touched- Looked at it or been through it. Is a platinum gay. Wait, that's a real term? Platinum gay. It means your mom had a C-section.

00:04:43 Speaker_03
Is that a whole section on Grindr?

00:04:44 Speaker_01
Is that like a different- All right, and with that, we'll get to our guest. Okay. Guys.

00:04:50 Speaker_03
How is that possible?

00:04:52 Speaker_01
Guys, we rarely have members of the military on the show. Even more rare are members of the British military. Today, we have a commander of the Royal Navy, all right? But this is not just a soldier. His interests include rugby, clearing...

00:05:10 Speaker_01
I'm gonna have to start over now. You know, I don't like to be interrupted very much. I spent a long time writing these. Guys, we rarely have members of the military on the show. Even more rare are members of the British military.

00:05:22 Speaker_01
Today, we have a commander of the Royal Navy, but this is not just a soldier. His interests include rugby, clearing minefields, Shakespeare, Liverpool soccer, Will, solving mysteries, and shaking martinis. Guys, What? It's Daniel Craig. No way! Woo!

00:05:40 Speaker_01
Yup, yup, yup.

00:05:42 Speaker_02
Oh my God, I wanted to meet you for so long. Right there. This is so cool. Well, here we are. Will, take it easy.

00:05:49 Speaker_03
Well, I know, I didn't know that you were a Liverpool supporter. This is great news. You would have covered that before when you guys met? Yeah, I would have.

00:05:58 Speaker_01
Wait, Daniel, I think I know what hotel room you're in.

00:06:01 Speaker_00
You've been in this hotel room?

00:06:03 Speaker_01
You're at the Four Seasons Los Angeles.

00:06:05 Speaker_00
How did you guess? Is that true? Is that true? Because you're on a junket, right? Are you on a junket? Yeah. I have been coming to this hotel for, like, 35 years. Same room. Same room.

00:06:15 Speaker_02
Daniel, did they make that jacket in men's or...? Hey, John. Wow. This is one of the first minutes.

00:06:21 Speaker_00
We're off. Good. Excellent.

00:06:25 Speaker_02
I actually love it.

00:06:25 Speaker_01
I actually love it. Wait. Sean, no, no, no.

00:06:29 Speaker_02
I actually really like this guy.

00:06:30 Speaker_01
Sean, do you know Daniel as well?

00:06:32 Speaker_02
I don't. I've never met you, obviously. I'm a massive... It doesn't seem like it.

00:06:37 Speaker_01
No.

00:06:37 Speaker_02
I'm a massive, massive fan.

00:06:39 Speaker_00
Massive fan.

00:06:40 Speaker_01
Okay, and Will, you have met Mr. Craig.

00:06:44 Speaker_03
We have met. We hung out. We watched the Super Bowl together. Right, Daniel? Yes, we did. That's right.

00:06:51 Speaker_00
Did we then end up in the Chateau? Yes. Oh. Yeah. Was that after? I can't remember. That's two separate incidents. No, no, it was the same night. There was a lot of alcohol.

00:07:01 Speaker_03
Yeah, we ended up in the Chateau with Krasinski and Sean Penn.

00:07:05 Speaker_00
Boy, I'm drunk already. So fucking Hollywood.

00:07:08 Speaker_03
It was very Hollywood. It sounds like a bit, but it's actually... That was a long time ago.

00:07:15 Speaker_01
It's a great group to drink with. Where was I, damn it?

00:07:18 Speaker_03
in a facility. I was probably in a facility somewhere, figuring stuff out. Yeah, I think it was family weekend at Betty Ford.

00:07:31 Speaker_01
Now, Sean, we're gonna get to the time when Daniel was a stormtrooper in Star Wars. We're gonna get to that.

00:07:41 Speaker_02
I know exactly which one he was. How about that?

00:07:43 Speaker_01
Come on. Truly?

00:07:44 Speaker_02
Of course I do.

00:07:45 Speaker_01
So this is not something that I just discovered on Wikipedia.

00:07:48 Speaker_02
No, it's the one where he says, where she plays the mind trick, and you will walk away and drop your weapon. I will walk away and drop my weapon. You dropped your weapon. You walked out of the scene.

00:07:56 Speaker_00
It's true. It's true. You spoke. Well, I didn't want to, but I just said, you know, dub me. Christ's sake, I don't need... But that's a bump.

00:08:06 Speaker_01
You know, you speak as a stormtrooper. That's a bump into the principle.

00:08:09 Speaker_00
Do you think I got one? Yeah, I'll bet. They didn't even give me the uniform. The only thing I wanted was the uniform. I was like, give me the helmet at least.

00:08:19 Speaker_01
How did that come about? Were you visiting on the set and they said, here's an extra?

00:08:23 Speaker_00
We were about to start, I don't know which Bond it was. You'd lose track.

00:08:28 Speaker_02
It was the last one.

00:08:30 Speaker_00
No, no, it wasn't. No, it was way before. It must have been Spectre because we were prepping. I knew the guys, I knew all the crew, the AGs who worked on, and I'd sort of like... You drifted over to the stage? I sort of drifted over. Really?

00:08:45 Speaker_00
And I kind of went, oh come on, put me in uniform. Yeah, I love that.

00:08:49 Speaker_01
Come on, truly, is that the way that it went?

00:08:51 Speaker_00
It went exactly, and I was half joking, thinking they were just going to tell me where to get off.

00:08:56 Speaker_02
How long of a day was that?

00:08:57 Speaker_00
Too fucking long. You know, that kind of regret of like, so I think, oh, no, I'll be an extra. Oh, yeah, it's great. Oh, how many hours will you be? I'm going to sit in the back of shot four. This is like, they were very good. They were great.

00:09:10 Speaker_00
I do remember wearing, because you know, those, the suits are, I mean, they're basically. hard plastic and kind of, you know, they're not comfortable. I mean, God knows how they wore them out in the desert when they do those.

00:09:23 Speaker_00
But I will remember that it sort of was a little bit big for me and it sort of rested on my thumb and my thumb was numb for three days afterwards. And I was like, the price I pay, and I didn't get a bump.

00:09:33 Speaker_02
Right. No bump, no helmet, no nothing. You got a bump at the chateau.

00:09:41 Speaker_03
Sean wants to know, did you meet the mayor of Tatooine? Fucking grow up, Sean.

00:09:52 Speaker_01
I would kill. I would kill. I would kill. He's gonna double back to this, I know it. All right, now, Daniel.

00:10:02 Speaker_00
Do you have all the questions? I've got so many, yeah. And these two just fuck with you and stop you answering the questions. That's the way it goes on this. Yeah, you'll be lucky to speak.

00:10:12 Speaker_00
What happens when, like, the reveal and the other two go, oh, fuck.

00:10:18 Speaker_02
That must happen, surely. It does, yes. It's happened not out loud.

00:10:23 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:10:24 Speaker_01
All right, now, let's just, can we, I'm gonna qualify this by saying, I'll bet, I'm gonna ask you some questions that you've answered a thousand times, and I want you to be patient with us, because we're dumb people that aren't fully researched, we're not journalists.

00:10:40 Speaker_00
We're terrible interviewers.

00:10:41 Speaker_01
We're gonna come at you with just dumb questions, okay?

00:10:45 Speaker_00
Why do I feel like I'm being hustled here? Welcome to Smartland.

00:10:52 Speaker_01
Now, what about... Can we start at the beginning?

00:10:56 Speaker_00
Sure.

00:10:57 Speaker_01
Alright, alright. So, you're in Liverpool, alright? Yes. By the way, you gotta see Daniel.

00:11:03 Speaker_03
Picture the scene. Okay, so it's gray.

00:11:07 Speaker_01
It's pissing with rain. Now, was there an influence there? Mom or dad? Mom. Mom was a... An art teacher. Art teacher, thank you. Oh, wow, that's cool. And so she sort of exposed you to the arts a little bit. She took you to movies or to plays or whatnot.

00:11:26 Speaker_01
How did the spark start?

00:11:28 Speaker_00
Plays were the thing. There was a theater in Liverpool at the time, it still is, called the Everyman Theater, which was kind of a hotbed of... of talent, as they say, at the time in the 70s.

00:11:40 Speaker_00
But her friends had been at Liverpool Art College, and a lot of them had gone into the theater, stage design, and those things. And those were her kind of friends. She was a single mom.

00:11:52 Speaker_00
And we used to kind of end up going there most nights to the theater, just to sort of hang out. They had a bistro there that served up cheap food. And it was a subsidized theater, and they did this thing

00:12:04 Speaker_00
where it's like, you know, there's a pound, a ticket. The whole thing was supposed to be so everybody could afford to go. And they did some off-the-charts plays, but it meant that I spent sort of, you know, evenings backstage at the theater.

00:12:19 Speaker_00
And that'll do it to you. Right. Well, that's where all the fun happens.

00:12:23 Speaker_01
Yeah, and this is something that Mom really likes. It seems pretty cool. And on and on and on, right?

00:12:29 Speaker_00
And, you know, actors kind of like, you know, meet actors afterwards. I'm seeing them, and I thought they were... I thought they were gods and then I just realized they were drunk.

00:12:39 Speaker_03
Yeah, they were drunk.

00:12:43 Speaker_03
But at the same time, at that age, if you're quite young and you're an adolescent, you're a teenager, whatever it is, when you're exposed to that kind of thing and that kind of world, it does give you that perspective that other kids your age don't have.

00:12:57 Speaker_03
And you're spending a lot of time with adults who are talented, who are creative. And when you get that fire kind of sparked at that age, I think it's pretty cool.

00:13:06 Speaker_00
It was, yeah, I mean, I definitely, and it really did, it went in, that's what I wanted to do. I mean, that's all I wanted to do.

00:13:13 Speaker_00
But it also gave me this, watching the way a theatre works, the way that professionals work and all that, it also kind of went, oh, this is a job as well. You could see, it's kind of, a couple of things, you know, lots of things happened.

00:13:23 Speaker_01
When was the first time you thought, oh, this is something that I might not embarrass myself doing? When was the first time you thought, I might not? What are you talking about?

00:13:34 Speaker_03
Second Bond film, second Bond film. The drinking component helps with that.

00:13:38 Speaker_00
I still feel like I'm embarrassing myself.

00:13:42 Speaker_01
But I mean, was it a school play where you're like, oh, I don't suck at this, or I'm getting a couple of pats on the back?

00:13:49 Speaker_00
I got roped into a school play. I mean, I kind of did one of those things where I think I kind of had a couple of days off or whatever. I got the mumps or something, I don't know. And I came back and I'd been cast in the school play.

00:13:59 Speaker_00
And it was like, oh. Do you remember what it was? It was Oliver. Yeah, and I was like, wow. It was just, I wasn't Oliver. Sadly.

00:14:08 Speaker_00
I was Mr. Sowersbury, which is the part that's not in the movie, that kind of was in the musical and got, for good reason, got written out of the movie.

00:14:17 Speaker_03
Was it a spicy character, though?

00:14:18 Speaker_00
He's an undertaker.

00:14:19 Speaker_03
You got to pick a pocket or two, right?

00:14:21 Speaker_00
I didn't get to do that, no, sadly, yeah. You got to pick a pocket or two, that's right. I mean, it's a credo you live by.

00:14:28 Speaker_00
Right, so you do that, you get a couple of attaboys, a couple of pats on the back, and you're like, all right, well, I'm gonna lean into this a little bit, and you started maybe a little bit more sort of like... Well, I don't know about you guys, I mean, you've all done a school play at some point, it's just that kind of mass hysteria thing that happens, which is, I mean, I, you know, my kids do school plays, I love that kind of just like, the level of like,

00:14:49 Speaker_03
Oh my God!

00:14:52 Speaker_00
It stays with you.

00:14:53 Speaker_03
I got asked to be in the school play and I think it was because I'm quite sure, never can totally confirm, quite sure it was because I was such a loud mouth. What?

00:15:02 Speaker_00
No.

00:15:03 Speaker_03
Yeah, if you can believe it. And they were like, fuck, how do we... Is there somewhere we can find, like, either a room... Make him a tree. ...that's soundproof, or somewhere we can take that fucking energy that's driving everybody crazy.

00:15:17 Speaker_03
By the way... And they're like, HMS Pinafore. And I was like, okay. Yeah, that's it.

00:15:21 Speaker_02
I mean, well, the same thing. The same thing. People were like, God, you're fucking loud and annoying. And yeah, and yeah, and I, I did a Shakespeare 12, Shakespeare's 12th night. And I was Sir Andrew Aguecheek. I had no idea what I was saying.

00:15:34 Speaker_02
And until I got in front of the audience, then it kind of clicked. And every word, every line that was a comedy line, got a laugh. And I was like, what is that? What is that? What is that about? Yeah, that's crazy. The ultimate drug you wanted to ignore.

00:15:53 Speaker_02
I'm like, fuck you, this loudmouth's gonna keep going.

00:15:56 Speaker_01
Now, Daniel, you are very, very funny. Like, you know, the Knives Out, no, the Knives Out stuff is like, it's awesome.

00:16:04 Speaker_00
When someone says you're very, very, very funny, I'm like, am I?

00:16:07 Speaker_01
No, but it's, well, but maybe it's because people weren't expecting because you've done so much incredible dramatic work.

00:16:13 Speaker_00
I'd be so moody for the whole thing.

00:16:15 Speaker_01
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we do what we get, you know, but like now, are you starting to pursue, raise your hand, get more scripts that are more comedic, and is that something that is exciting to you?

00:16:28 Speaker_00
Please say yes. I never, yes, okay. Yes, yes. Why don't you give me the questions and I'll just, I'll just, what the answer is. I do build the answer into the question.

00:16:39 Speaker_03
The answer is always built in and so then he likes to bring the guest into the inevitable really interesting yes or no.

00:16:50 Speaker_00
Is that how we go out on this? I can't wait. 50 questions, yes or no. It's easy. What was the, you want to do more comedy? Yes. I don't, listen, you know, it would be like I had a plan. I mean, I'm making this up as I go along. I don't know about that.

00:17:10 Speaker_00
I mean, seriously, if they come along, sure, but I'm kind of going out and looking for something funny. It's also, you know, I know how kind of that's a dangerous thing to do. Right. The first night out, I read the script and I laughed out loud.

00:17:26 Speaker_02
Yes, I loved that movie.

00:17:28 Speaker_00
So that was like an easy pick. And then, you know, Ryan's one of the most talented writers there are. He just kind of keeps going and keeps getting at it and keeps getting into it. And this next one is going to be different.

00:17:40 Speaker_00
And, you know, we've kind of gone, I mean, it's not wildly different, but it's going to be definitely kind of get a different tone to it. Oh, wait, there's one you're doing now? There's a third one. We shot it in the summer. It's called Wake Up Dead.

00:17:49 Speaker_00
Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, no, no, please.

00:17:53 Speaker_01
Yeah, come on.

00:17:55 Speaker_01
Right, but I mean, you know, you say that there's no, like that you have some sort of a plan or something, but I would guess that somebody who is approached for something as iconic as Bond and the kind of intelligence that you have, you probably had some thoughts and some talks with some people about, okay, if I did this, I've got to do this, but if I did this, what I would need to kind of have a plan to,

00:18:21 Speaker_01
how to occupy myself in between those movies and what to do afterwards. Which I just fucked up. I don't think so. I think it's kind of perfect. We're going to get to queer soon, which is a perfect balance.

00:18:34 Speaker_01
By the way, you didn't need to plan for anything in between.

00:18:36 Speaker_03
I guess we're going to get to them right now. Go ahead.

00:18:42 Speaker_02
There's our clip. Go ahead, Sean. No, I was going to say, you didn't need the plan because those movies were fucking exhausting, I'm sure. Like, didn't you need to recover?

00:18:55 Speaker_00
I think there was a feeling when I first started that because I'd had exactly what you said, those conversations, and I talked about it to everybody I knew and all my family and all of those things about what does it mean?

00:19:06 Speaker_00
Of course, I've got to do it. I've got to do this. But what does it mean? You know, how it's going to affect my life and all those things. And there was a sort of, I suppose, an instinct in me to sort of want to go, okay, I'm doing Bond now.

00:19:17 Speaker_00
I've got to do other stuff as well to kind of counterbalance this. And it's just like fucking ridiculous. I was fucking exhausted. So as much as the moves I did in between I'm kind of like proud of and all of those things, I stopped.

00:19:33 Speaker_00
I just went, let's do this. If I'm doing this, just do this. And I don't have the headspace.

00:19:38 Speaker_03
I don't have the... I'm gonna say something that's gonna be... It's not controversial, but I know because the Bond fans in the Bond world, those fans are so vocal and dedicated, etc. But I will say...

00:19:52 Speaker_03
that for me, and I loved all the prior bonds, everybody was great, so this is by no means an admonishment of what they had done, but you were the first bond who was like a real, like, real man's man.

00:20:08 Speaker_03
Yeah, a hot piece of ass, and was tough, you were tough.

00:20:14 Speaker_00
Yeah, exactly.

00:20:15 Speaker_03
Well, no, but you came, you were tough, and because I think that people will go like, how dare you, but you came out and you were like this tough, like you were like a real modern Bond in a way that I thought was really, really refreshing.

00:20:27 Speaker_03
I loved your Bond films, dude.

00:20:29 Speaker_04
I really did. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And we will be right back. And now, back to the show.

00:20:40 Speaker_02
My question is when you were doing the very first one, which I've seen a billion times. I've seen all of them a billion times. I literally could do like dialogue from it. I know. Okay, go. Give it to me. Stop, what did you say?

00:20:56 Speaker_02
Take your hand away from your ear. Anyway, that was the first one. Anyway, so thank you, thank you.

00:21:03 Speaker_01
But wait, at what point... That would have been the line I remembered, too. Go ahead. I literally just said it yesterday. Get to the choppas, right? It's up there with that.

00:21:14 Speaker_02
But wait, Daniel, at what point when you were making that move... Sorry, I think my phone's ringing. No, that kicked off the whole chase. Get your hand out of here.

00:21:29 Speaker_02
Anyway, so when you were doing that movie, at what point in the middle of the movie were you like, oh God, I bit off more than I could chew. This is really hard. Like, I don't know if I'm gonna make it. Or were you like, oh, this is awesome.

00:21:41 Speaker_02
I can do this. All the stunts, all the bullshit that you had, that you put your body through.

00:21:46 Speaker_00
I mean, I was sort of younger and I'm way too gung ho. I was just, you know, I mean, I kind of threw myself, there was like, you know, the stuff guys were kind of saying, you know, do you want to do it? Yeah, I'll do it, yeah! And then, yeah, I know.

00:22:06 Speaker_00
But I had all this stuff going on, I mean, we started shooting in Prague, in studios there, and then we moved to the Bahamas, and then my agent, which is, you know, it was very nice, but then my agent sort of phoned me up and said, you might want to look at the internet, and the internet had just sort of blown up,

00:22:24 Speaker_00
fuck him kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Which was kind of like, and I kind of looked at it all as like, you know, the naive days when I used to do stuff like that.

00:22:35 Speaker_00
Like, oh no, I'm going to look at all and go down that rabbit hole and just chased it all night long and was like, oh my God, that's really intense.

00:22:42 Speaker_00
And I kind of, I then sort of just had this sort of like weird, sort of, I don't know, I just sort of went, Well, there's fuck all I can do about that. There's nothing I can do. And we're here, and I know the script's good, and let's have a good time.

00:22:57 Speaker_00
And if it's a swing and a miss, great. If it's my last one, I'll walk away knowing that I did the best I could. I mean, it sounds easy to say now. But it just, it was like, I was like, let's get on with this, let's do it. I just, you know.

00:23:12 Speaker_03
And do you think that sort of that trial by fire of being, because Bond, again, is so iconic, and by being put in the brightest of spotlights, and being scrutinized so much, sort of on social media or whatever it is online, do you think that that was a...

00:23:31 Speaker_03
Did you... Were you able to carry those lessons on sort of post-bond and in your normal... So as you... Because we talk about it sometimes about what's the reaction to what people say in social media and everybody's got a voice and stuff and everybody kind of puts it in a different place or deals with it differently.

00:23:47 Speaker_03
How... Does it affect your life? Do you think about it?

00:23:51 Speaker_00
I mean, I think the fame thing, I mean, I just had a complete nervous breakdown after it came out and sort of didn't leave the house for six months, but it was that. Really? Really? I mean, I exaggerate, but I kind of was a bit like that.

00:24:01 Speaker_01
I just got like, oh my... I mean, it was like... Well, it's a level of fame and recognizability that is not something that one deals with quickly and easily.

00:24:09 Speaker_00
Well, and who do you talk to about it? I mean, I suppose you go, I'm going to phone up someone really, really famous. I mean, it's like, I don't know what you say.

00:24:18 Speaker_03
Yeah, or if you talk to the butcher or your friend or somebody who's not working and they're like, oh, boo-hoo, you're James Bond, right? Exactly, exactly.

00:24:25 Speaker_01
Right, so where does that healthy level of indifference come from about whether it works or not, and I'm gonna still just be me, and if it doesn't, or this fame stuff? Did mom give you a good head on your shoulders, or were you kind of self-taught?

00:24:40 Speaker_00
I think I've just got a very down-to-earth family who do not shy away from telling me what a low-life I am. And that really helps. I don't know, I'm from the north of England, so a more practical, pragmatic way of looking at life, maybe.

00:25:02 Speaker_00
I also got into that thing very early on. I mean, there's so much, I went to drama school and there's that terrible thing of drama school is that like 90% of the year, don't get to work. It's like, that's the attrition rate.

00:25:14 Speaker_00
And you go into the business, there wasn't social media, so there wasn't another outlet to try and become famous. It was just like, you know, you got a job or you didn't get a job, and mostly people didn't get a job.

00:25:26 Speaker_00
I know that somebody gave me a great bit of advice very early on, a while at drama school, a great director, who just said, don't ever, ever, ever get bitter. Don't get... you know, because bitterness is just the thing that... the job over you.

00:25:42 Speaker_00
There's always somebody going to, you know, and if you kind of look at, only look at other people in the business with jealousy, then you'll kind of, that'll define you.

00:25:53 Speaker_00
And it doesn't matter if you then get success, you'll still kind of, I get jealous all the time, jealous of every fucking actor out there who gets a job that I'd like. But I kind of, I admit to it.

00:26:04 Speaker_03
But that's good. We used to talk about it all the time. I remember years ago when people would start to work. And as you say, most of the time, most of us were not working and somebody would get a good job and whatever.

00:26:15 Speaker_03
And I always stayed friends with... We sort of cultivated... The people that were working?

00:26:21 Speaker_00
That's a good point. They'll always get dinner. Yeah.

00:26:26 Speaker_03
But it was also like, we genuinely rooted for each other. And sometimes there would be somebody who would come in the group who was, you could tell, was keeping score. And then you would just weed them out. And you'd weed them out.

00:26:39 Speaker_03
And you'd be like, I can't be friends with people who are keeping score. I just can't. There's enough for everybody. And if you're not in the mindset of rooting people on, then like you say, you're bitter, and then fuck it. Then you're fucked.

00:26:51 Speaker_03
You're fucked.

00:26:53 Speaker_02
That's why I thought, I just read something recently where you said, and it made me laugh out loud when somebody asked you, who do you think you should pass the torch on to for James Bond? And you said, I don't care.

00:27:06 Speaker_00
JB, that is sexy indifference. So then coming up and starting to do some jobs and kind of starting to make a living a little bit from it,

00:27:23 Speaker_01
Perhaps were there some other, I'm sure that there were some other jobs that you were doing to kind of pay the bills.

00:27:29 Speaker_00
I mean, I left home at 16. I went and joined a thing called the National Youth Theatre in London. So I left Liverpool. Liverpool was like early 80s. It's come up now and the city's doing great, which is just wonderful.

00:27:46 Speaker_00
But at the time, it was seriously depressed. We had a sort of Trotskyite local council that was hated by Thatcher, who she starved.

00:27:55 Speaker_00
I mean, it was like the whole thing was just like, employment was like, I can't even, like 35% or 36%, but it was through the roof, whatever it was. And there was not a lot of job prospects. And I was playing with the idea of joining the Navy.

00:28:08 Speaker_00
I was playing with the idea, you know, I was doing all those things going, well, what do I do? What the fuck do I do?

00:28:13 Speaker_00
And there was a thing called the National Youth Theatre, and it did a summer course, and my mother was a teacher, and it was on the board at her school, and she went this. and I went and auditioned for it in Manchester.

00:28:22 Speaker_00
I got in and she sort of kicked me out the door and she went, you've got to go, you've got to go, go, go, go.

00:28:27 Speaker_00
And it was partly her ambition because actually she'd got into RADA, which is, you know, the kind of top sort of drama school, certainly of those years, when she was 17, 18 and there was no money to

00:28:46 Speaker_00
you know, she didn't, the family just didn't have the money. So she didn't tell me that until about 10 years ago, actually.

00:28:51 Speaker_01
Oh, wow.

00:28:51 Speaker_00
Wow. So she, but that, her ambition for me was just to get going.

00:28:55 Speaker_01
Wow. She must've been absolutely thrilled with your, your success and the arc of your success too, yeah? Yeah, I mean, I think so, yes. Yeah, that's awesome.

00:29:07 Speaker_03
And also, when you say the arc, too, because you earned it as well. Like, you know, you really... Oh, there she is. Look at that. We already tipped her, by the way.

00:29:17 Speaker_01
We got this. We got that. Listener, he just had some food delivered. I gotta have a bite of this, I'm sorry. Go ahead, we enjoy. So this is a perfect time for me with a long-winded question here, so you can chew.

00:29:32 Speaker_01
Now, let's see, were there, there weren't any, well, you tell me, were there huge influences or a particular one coming out of England that you were like, If I were to get some traction on this career, that is kind of the path I'd like to be on.

00:29:46 Speaker_01
Was it somebody in England or was it somebody in America? Was it always acting? Was it directing?

00:29:54 Speaker_00
The theater thing was the kicker. That was definitely the kind of thing that got me, just, that's what I want to do. And I had some weird thing that I can do that, which is great, but you know, it's just because I was a show-off, dressing up.

00:30:07 Speaker_00
And I still do. You know, I mean, I mean, so... John Gielgud.

00:30:13 Speaker_01
Something like that.

00:30:14 Speaker_00
No? Yes. Albert Finney. I mean, definitely that generation, Albert Finney's generation and those guys, I mean, it's just that whole, you know, I suppose they're called the angry young men, didn't they? Then you worked with Gambon.

00:30:35 Speaker_00
I'm a human being and one of the greatest actors ever. It was film, really. And that was, we had a little cinema in the town I grew up in, which was, you know, a flea pet, proper kind of just like a one screen.

00:30:51 Speaker_00
And all the movies at the time would do the kind of rounds of the country where they'd go to the big screens and things like that. And then by the time we got them, the movie had been out for like a month and a half.

00:31:03 Speaker_00
And the prints would, I remember the prints were just terrible. They put films on in rotation. I mean, from Stripes to Quest for Fire to Blade Runner, I remember seeing in the cinema on my own with kind of an orange juice.

00:31:20 Speaker_00
And this film came out, I had no idea. It was like blind. I was in there seeing a double bill. It was a Sean Connery... a space movie called Outland or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that make sense?

00:31:31 Speaker_00
That was on, which was pretty great, because it's a cowboy movie in space. And then I kind of went and got a drink and came back and sat down on my own and Blade Runner started. Oh, wow. And that... Was Harrison Ford a bit of a North Star for you?

00:31:47 Speaker_00
Well, it was the movie itself. It was the whole thing. I mean, sure, he is, of course. But the movie itself and the kind of, the fact that movies could look like that, feel like that, and do that to you was just like the thing.

00:32:01 Speaker_00
I'd never kind of experienced it. And it felt like a movie that I discovered, that I was, and it was nothing to do with the Gone with the Wind or the kind of, it's a Wonderful Life stuff, or the Bond movies, even. It was a fantasy, yeah.

00:32:14 Speaker_01
That was part of... But ultimately kind of intangible though, right? I would imagine there you are sitting in this theater in this small town and you're like, well, I'm never gonna make it to Hollywood. I'm never gonna be up on a screen.

00:32:23 Speaker_00
That's a million miles away. I was an arrogant little bitch.

00:32:27 Speaker_01
You actually thought, yeah, there is a shot. There's a shot. If I play my cards right, if I get this... I don't know.

00:32:33 Speaker_00
I mean, it's hindsight, isn't it? That sort of says it. But there was something about... You thought it was possible.

00:32:39 Speaker_01
which is the key, right? He's like, why can't?

00:32:42 Speaker_02
Well, but you also got accolades when you were doing theater enough to know that you had something to offer.

00:32:47 Speaker_00
It was a thing that happened. I kind of left drama school and went and did, I went and did a John G. Avilston movie called The Power of One with Stephen Dorff. I love Stephen. Scored by Hans Zimmer, I mean, amazingly. Wow. He's amazing.

00:33:00 Speaker_00
Really kind of weird, I mean, not weird, maybe just a kind of movie of its era. Yeah. playing the bad guy and kind of, it was just this sort of event that happened, but it was a movie.

00:33:14 Speaker_00
And I then came out and didn't work for a lot, did some theater, and then started getting TV roles, little guest roles and things like that. Suddenly then I got kind of a lead in a TV role, and suddenly the money started.

00:33:30 Speaker_00
It wasn't great, but it was like, whoa, this is like kind of life-changing money in the sense I might be able to afford a house soon.

00:33:36 Speaker_01
Still living in England?

00:33:38 Speaker_00
Still living in England. I'd gone to L.A. after The Power of One, and it was like 1991 and arriving here. Wow. It was like a, I mean, well, kind of and kind of not, because I was so like,

00:33:53 Speaker_00
Green and naive, I landed in this town, I didn't have a driver's license, I didn't have a credit card. They checked me into the Universal Sheraton, which I realize now is an island, where you need a car to get off it.

00:34:06 Speaker_00
And I kind of went to the front desk and they said, credit card, and they went... So I had to embarrassingly call up Warner Brothers and get them to put some money down on the desk and do all these things. Wow.

00:34:20 Speaker_00
And then John D. Allison very nicely was sort of pushing me slightly because he's like, you kid, this kid's got it. This kid's got it. He was pushing me slightly. So I went up for auditions.

00:34:29 Speaker_00
And in the movie, I was playing, you know, a Nazi kind of South African you know, bad guy. And I was going up for Nazi South Africa bad guys. I mean, that was it. I went up for like five auditions, and it was all for Nazis.

00:34:43 Speaker_00
And I just was like, yeah, I mean, I've got a bit more range than this, I think. And suddenly there was an offer on the table from a manager, and why don't you stay, and we get you accommodation, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:58 Speaker_00
And I kind of went on, and I did these five auditions, and I went, whoa, no, this is going to go really wrong. This is, where these thoughts came from, I have no idea, but they were just like, this is not the career I want. So I went home.

00:35:15 Speaker_01
Back to England, back to theater.

00:35:16 Speaker_00
Back to England, well, sort of back to thinking, well, I've got a bit of money in my pocket, I've got a bit of money now, so it's okay.

00:35:22 Speaker_00
But then suddenly I started getting bigger roles in television, and I realized that was a mistake, because I looked at these television stars at home, and God bless them, they're earning money, and they've got the house in Portugal, and they're thinking,

00:35:34 Speaker_00
Yeah, they're set, set. It's great. I want to make movies. I want to make movies. Good for you. And the British movie industry didn't exist. It just didn't. I mean, there were amazing movies coming out. You think about, you know, like... Room with a View.

00:35:51 Speaker_00
I mean, Room with a View, but I'm talking kind of like... No one was ever going to cast me in, because I wasn't a floppy-fringed kind of posh boy.

00:36:00 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:01 Speaker_00
Well, that's what I mean. So there was lots of brilliant directors like, you know, my beautiful Laundrette and things like that were going on. But that was a kind of, you know, you had to know the director and things.

00:36:11 Speaker_00
And I sort of plugged away at it until someone gave me a break.

00:36:14 Speaker_03
But what was the shift in that in the British film? I mean, yeah.

00:36:21 Speaker_00
I did a film called Love is a Devil.

00:36:22 Speaker_01
And that was, that got some traction for you?

00:36:25 Speaker_00
It's, as these things do, I'm like, like I say this to kind of young actors who talk about kind of, you know, you know, I want the, you know, when the break comes and yeah, you know, I'm going to do this thing.

00:36:34 Speaker_00
And you know, it's like, it's like believing producers say, this is going to be good for you. It's going to be good for you. This it's like, it doesn't happen like that in the industry. It's tectonic. It's like it rolls around.

00:36:43 Speaker_00
You get the break, like someone comes and sees you in something or sees you in something a year later that might go, let's get that guy.

00:36:49 Speaker_01
Right.

00:36:49 Speaker_00
And you can't rush these things. So I did things and I just kept on going and eventually sort of something, momentum started happening. And then I don't know what kind of went down. I did a TV series and then wrote a petition.

00:37:05 Speaker_00
Like, you know, Sam cast me and wrote a petition and then Munich.

00:37:09 Speaker_01
Now did you know Sam Mendes before that?

00:37:11 Speaker_00
to say hello to.

00:37:12 Speaker_01
Yeah, but so then it was, so then when you audition, I'd imagine that was an audition, not an offer. It was a friendly face in the audition room. I blew it. You did? No. Not a good audition. Come on. Did you apologize after your audition?

00:37:28 Speaker_01
As you're leaving, I'm so sorry you had to see that. Good luck with the project. That's my go-to.

00:37:39 Speaker_00
And it works. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it works, yeah. No, I just, I was, I was supposed to have sort of learned this Chicago accent, and for some reason I didn't. And for the audition, I kind of, I really couldn't. He'd sort of kind of,

00:37:54 Speaker_00
He hadn't offered it to me, but he'd sort of said to me, we really want you to play the part. And I thought, well, that's an offer. And he said, now you've got to fly out to Chicago and audition. I was like, really?

00:38:02 Speaker_00
And so I didn't really do enough work on the part. I kind of went, did this terrible reading. And he sort of went, stop, stop, you've got the job. I sort of battered him down with terrible acting. It's a ploy.

00:38:17 Speaker_01
All right, so then you're on set, and you're working with Tom Hanks and Paul Newman, and being directed by Mr. Mendes. Was that... Did you get winded? Or was it just sort of like, yeah, this is kind of... It's about time, and off we go.

00:38:34 Speaker_03
And this is what I've been trying to do. I've been trying to avoid the other stuff, and now I've landed in sort of the lane I want to be in. A little bit.

00:38:41 Speaker_00
I mean... Combo? I mean, I would... I kind of, yeah. I mean, I just felt, I felt like terrified and all of those things, but like, you're here now. Right. You better fucking. You better deliver. You better deliver.

00:38:57 Speaker_01
And did you find that you had a gear that you didn't know that could kind of boost you up and so you didn't have a panic attack and you held your own, yes?

00:39:08 Speaker_00
I mean, I suppose what it was, what really calmed me When it boils down to it, you're on set with one of the greatest living actors of all time.

00:39:17 Speaker_01
And Paul Newman.

00:39:19 Speaker_00
And Paul Newman. Both of them, but very, very, very different actors. But Paul Newman, who I've, you know, idolized. And watching him work, you realize, oh God, he's an actor.

00:39:33 Speaker_00
And it's just that sort of like, that in itself was like, he's, I can't talk to him about, he wanted to talk to me about racing cars. I was like going, four wheels? I mean, yeah.

00:39:42 Speaker_00
You know, I guess like, he's like talking about like, I mean, why the indie series was so much better than Grand Prix series. I was like, yeah.

00:39:51 Speaker_00
I mean, it was like, I couldn't, but when it came down to it and watching and working with him, I had a language that I could speak to him in because I'm an actor, he's an actor, and he really is, you know, and he'd struggle and he'd,

00:40:03 Speaker_00
and really be kind of trying to find it and things that I'd just be like, oh, wow, great, that's what I do. Oh, good. And that kind of just, so I can get, you know, I mean... He forgets a line, too, sometimes. Right. Yeah.

00:40:17 Speaker_01
Oh, that's great. For sure. That's really cool.

00:40:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's really interesting, that idea of being with Paul Newman and watching him kind of find it in the scene.

00:40:26 Speaker_01
It's the opposite of making you nervous, it actually calms you because you see him as human.

00:40:32 Speaker_03
Yeah, you must have had a complete, like your nerves must have been absolutely settled in that moment.

00:40:37 Speaker_00
I was like, we can do this. We can make this happen. We're playing. Suddenly we're like, we're here to play. Great. I know how to play.

00:40:44 Speaker_02
Fascinating. One time I was doing the bucket list with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman. I was in a scene with Jack Nicholson. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

00:40:51 Speaker_02
And he turns to me and he goes, during rehearsal, he goes, do you know what you mean when you say that line? I go, yeah, do you? Like what? I had to say that to relax myself because I couldn't believe I was in a movie with Jack Nicholson.

00:41:14 Speaker_04
We'll be right back. And now back to the show.

00:41:21 Speaker_01
Now, Daniel, when you were very quickly after that sort of vaulted into much more of a leadership position on the jobs that followed, did you take that experience with you as a leader and see the younger actors or the actors with lesser parts get a little sort of nervous?

00:41:40 Speaker_01
And did you lend some of that comfort to them by not intentionally forgetting a line, but did you take some of those leadership lessons?

00:41:49 Speaker_00
By being completely shit. That's how he's gonna do it. I don't know. I mean, I feel like part of my job is to, you know, you're on set. I love being around actors. It's fun. It's a lot of fun.

00:42:12 Speaker_00
If you have somebody who is there for a bit, a short day, I have a thing. It's like my favorite movies. It's those small parts that zip out, that make the movie sometimes. You encourage them to be the best they can.

00:42:29 Speaker_00
It's like smallest cogs, all of that shit. Sure, no small parts, just small actors. Exactly.

00:42:37 Speaker_02
What about siblings? Do you have siblings?

00:42:39 Speaker_00
I have a half-brother and a sister, an older sister.

00:42:42 Speaker_02
And a completely different career path than you.

00:42:45 Speaker_00
Completely different, yeah. I mean I'm kind of the only actor in the family.

00:42:49 Speaker_02
And I want to talk about eggs that you just ate. Do you always watch what you eat when you're doing these junkets? Like, you didn't want to touch the potatoes, I was just watching you garble those eggs.

00:42:58 Speaker_03
Sean knows, can he send a guy over to pick up the potatoes? There's somebody at your door right now, Daniel, if you don't mind, just real quick. Just slide the potatoes under the door.

00:43:12 Speaker_02
No, do you, are you always like that? Or do you go off the rails sometimes and just, I mean, I do.

00:43:16 Speaker_00
I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't, I used to have a, I used to swing. Okay. On Bond. Yeah, right. Here we go. That's not a good, a good word.

00:43:28 Speaker_00
On Bond, I would, you know, because of the intensity, I would sort of then spend the next three, four months sort of being drunk and eating. And that's not good for you. So I stopped doing that and sort of like said, okay, let's maintain my fitness.

00:43:43 Speaker_00
How about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you always look great. Thank you.

00:43:48 Speaker_01
It gets so hard after 50, yeah?

00:43:52 Speaker_00
It's just so depressing. It's so depressing. I remember before I found my mom up a few years ago and going, oh, my fingers are aching. Welcome to my world. It's just that's what it is.

00:44:03 Speaker_01
I've got all these little hot spots on my hands now that like it hurts between this finger and this finger and right at the base of the thumb there. It's like what's going on?

00:44:11 Speaker_00
I had this treatment the other day, where they gave me this infrared thing, where they kind of map your body infrared, and my hands were on fire, and they were like, going, oh, what's wrong? And I'm like, I don't know, what is wrong?

00:44:22 Speaker_00
It's like, it hurts. I'm not 20.

00:44:24 Speaker_03
Wait a second, wait, Sean, you did a similar, no, JB, you did a map thing. I did the full body scan, yeah.

00:44:30 Speaker_01
Full body scan. And it was, thank God, it was all good, but it's kind of cool that they can do that now.

00:44:36 Speaker_03
What did they find in the place where the human heart normally is?

00:44:39 Speaker_01
Not much. There was like a little movie camera roll.

00:44:44 Speaker_03
Just a bunch of loose nuts and bolts.

00:44:46 Speaker_02
Wait, Daniel, also just meeting you for the first time, I sense that your brain works really, really fast. Like you're hyper-intelligent and you kind of have to when you're doing all the things that you do.

00:44:56 Speaker_01
What do you do to- I'm not getting that, Sean.

00:44:58 Speaker_02
Really? I do, I get that you're like, your brain like works really, really fast. Like you're eating the eggs and you're finishing the story and then you're going like... He's not a dummy, okay? I know, that's what I'm saying. Sean's shocked.

00:45:11 Speaker_02
How is he chewing and walking at the same time?

00:45:13 Speaker_03
By the way, this is coming from a guy who spends like a Monday afternoon, mid-afternoon watching videos of childbirth. It's not like he doesn't have a lot going on.

00:45:24 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's gonna feel like a compliment's coming, but the curve... The bar couldn't be fucking lower.

00:45:32 Speaker_02
No, it is a big compliment because you have to think, you constantly have to think fast of what you do. You're like, the camera's there, my line's here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you have kids and everything.

00:45:41 Speaker_02
Your mind's always going, what do you do to calm down?

00:45:47 Speaker_00
I don't know. I mean, it's just being at home. I really, really, really don't play tennis. I'm so terrible. But if I can convince a tennis pro or someone to hit a ball with me, I'll do that for two, three hours at a time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:03 Speaker_00
No golf for you. Yeah, what's the scram? Ruin's a good walk. What are you talking about? Yeah, but it is a nice walk. It's a great, great walk.

00:46:15 Speaker_01
Now, you've been to all these incredible, in all the films you've done, all these incredible locations around the world. Is there a spot that calms you more than any? A favorite spot?

00:46:26 Speaker_00
Um, I think if I'm going to really relax, the sea is like the place I want to be, because it's like... I'm with you. I just want the salt water, I want the sun, and my body kind of... again, with the aches and the pains. Yeah.

00:46:41 Speaker_00
You're not a boat guy, though, are you? Are you a guy that... Not really. A lot of hard work.

00:46:46 Speaker_02
Yeah. I have, like, two fan stuff. Can we just get it out of the way? Yeah, of course, man. Because Scotty, my husband, and I watched all your films like a billion times.

00:46:58 Speaker_02
The Javier Bardem and you probably have the greatest hero-villain chemistry of all time. Like, just incredible. What do you... Tell Tracy what that's for. Tracy, that's from... Oh, my God, that's from... Skyfall. Skyfall, thanks. That is Skyfall.

00:47:16 Speaker_02
And do you... Adele. You have to sing Adele when you say the name.

00:47:20 Speaker_01
No, you don't. Go ahead with the question. No, the...

00:47:27 Speaker_02
No, I just, it's just a comment, not a question. It's just a comment. Like, that was incredible. And do you guys still, do you still keep in touch with Javier?

00:47:33 Speaker_00
I do. See, I talk to him occasionally, and yes, I love him to death. He's just, he's just like, he's a glorious human being. So good.

00:47:40 Speaker_02
And then the other thing was, and you can think about it while we talk about other stuff, unless you have to go, is a great theater story.

00:47:44 Speaker_02
I was asked, like, people with theater stories, like scenes falling, like people throwing up on stage, like anything like that.

00:47:51 Speaker_00
I've done all that. I've done a lot. Really? Yeah, I've done a lot. Really? You name it. The amount of theater you've done is just stunning. You name it, I've done it. It's happened on stage.

00:48:00 Speaker_03
What do you think was the worst thing that happened where you were, like, fucked up a performance? Stop the show.

00:48:04 Speaker_00
Or, like, an audience member... I don't... I'm...

00:48:08 Speaker_00
I haven't, it hasn't, I mean, I've been at the theatre when it was actually Leo Schreiber was doing, what are they doing, View from the Bridge, but, where literally someone had a thing, an attack, and Leo actually got to say, is there a doctor in the house?

00:48:24 Speaker_00
The amount of work that goes into doing theater at the level that you've done and that Sean just did, is it...

00:48:43 Speaker_01
I'm sure you can't compare that to the kind of rigor it takes to get through a huge, huge film. But is it somewhat comparable? And if so, which do you prefer as far as what takes most out of you?

00:48:58 Speaker_00
I think a movie takes the most out of you because I think it's a seven-day-a-week job. There's no day off, really, because there's always something to do on whatever. Either you're doing a five-day week or you're doing a six-day week.

00:49:10 Speaker_00
You're either rehearsing something or you're... Studying. Studying something. So the intensity of that is like there's nothing. And a play, once it's up and running, gets its own kind of momentum.

00:49:21 Speaker_00
I mean, if it's an emotionally difficult play, then obviously it's kind of like it gets... But you sort of tend to be able to kind of like... spend the day not thinking about it. And then go and do it.

00:49:31 Speaker_01
Do you see yourself staying on screen until you're old and gray and in the ground? Or would you like to sort of throttle back and just have the last section of your life, whenever that starts, just on theater?

00:49:45 Speaker_01
Because that's something that I kind of fantasize about. It's just like moving to New York and becoming a theater actor and just like riding my bike to the theater.

00:49:54 Speaker_00
It's very attractive, yeah. I don't know, it depends how big the bills are, isn't it, right? Yeah, that's true.

00:50:05 Speaker_02
Well, back to the TV stars.

00:50:09 Speaker_00
I don't know. I did work with Gielgud. I worked with Gielgud on two jobs. He was actually in The Power of One. I played the headmaster at the school. And I did have a scene with him, but I met him.

00:50:23 Speaker_00
I met him around the back of the set because I'd gone around to have a cigarette back in the day when I smoked. And there he was, smoking. And he kind of went, whoo, don't tell anybody I'm not supposed to be smoking.

00:50:35 Speaker_00
And we had a cigarette together and had a chat, which was like, you know. And then I did Elizabeth about 10 years later. And he must have been well into his 90s by then. And it was kind of, why is he working? Because his boyfriend liked diamonds.

00:50:51 Speaker_00
I mean, it was kind of like, that was the response. He was wheeled in and I kind of thought I had the scene with him just to sort of like, he was playing the Pope and I was playing this Jesuit mass murderer. Easy role.

00:51:12 Speaker_00
And I just sort of, I kind of went and sort of took care of him. My instinct was to sort of, hello sir, how are you? You probably don't remember we had a cigarette together, you know. Of course he didn't remember.

00:51:23 Speaker_00
And, but he was like, he was like, I could see the age, and it was like, oh my God, wow, he's really kind of, is he gonna be able to remember his lines? The board went on, bang.

00:51:32 Speaker_02
Just showed up.

00:51:34 Speaker_00
The back went up when he was just like, and he did the scene like, it was like, oh my, blew everybody away. And then kind of went back, and it was like, wow, that's, and I kind of was like, that's amazing.

00:51:43 Speaker_00
But I was also kind of like, I've been, I don't know if you've ever ridden a horse in a movie. They have to retire movie horses, because they learn the board, you know, they learn, When the slate comes in and they hit it whack, it's time to go.

00:51:55 Speaker_00
Yeah, so I've been, I've sat on horses that are kind of like, look at that, you know, because I don't ride very well, so I stick him on that nag, you know, it's because it's like, and they're kind of like there, trying to pull its head up, trying to look cool.

00:52:05 Speaker_00
It's just like looking like it's going to die. And they put the board on and it's like, oh my God, Jesus Christ! And they have to retire these horses. And I thought, oh, my God, you're a film horse. Do I want to turn into a film horse?

00:52:18 Speaker_00
When that board goes on, oh, yeah, here we are.

00:52:22 Speaker_03
At the same time, I mean, maybe there's a little bit of sort of wisdom in staying active in that way is part of the reason that he was able to stay, you know... I mean, maybe do a crossword, I don't know.

00:52:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, because otherwise he's in Portugal, right?

00:52:38 Speaker_00
No, totally, totally. I get it. I mean, going back to that hysteria in the school play. That thing, that drug, that thing that gets you. That's why I brought it back. That's really good.

00:52:51 Speaker_03
You know, I like it. I like it. I kind of wanted to get back.

00:52:53 Speaker_03
I'm glad you mentioned that because I kind of wanted to go back to that moment you're in the theater and go all the way back to the moment you're in the theater and you're watching Blade Runner.

00:53:01 Speaker_03
Because it really made me think about, I was going to bring this up before, and I was going to ask you guys, what is that thing? What was that seminal moment in your life? What was the film, the book that you read?

00:53:11 Speaker_03
And do you go back and still... Because I have found now that I'm in my 50s, I'm now re-looking for moments like that where I get inspired. I'm reading a book right now... It's called Midlife Crisis.

00:53:21 Speaker_00
It is Midlife Crisis.

00:53:23 Speaker_03
Believe me, I should be wearing a fucking hat the last 10 years that said, ask me about my midlife crisis. But...

00:53:31 Speaker_03
But, and yes, I had a Porsche, obviously, and I've had, but all of that, do you, to, you know, do you guys, have you guys had those moments? Do you remember being young and a book or a film or something, you went like- Yes, mine is 11 years old.

00:53:46 Speaker_02
I was 11 years old. My brother took me for my 11th birthday. My brother, Kevin, took me to go see E.T. and I was 11 years old and everybody in the theater was crying as they were at the end. And I said- You were jealous.

00:53:59 Speaker_02
I said, I'd give anything to be him. And my brother thought, like the fantasy, like, oh, Elliot to have a friend like E.T. And I go, no, I'd give anything to be Henry Thomas, who played Elliot. And my brother's like, the actor?

00:54:11 Speaker_02
And I was like, yeah, to make people feel that, that would be amazing.

00:54:15 Speaker_01
JB, anything? Do you remember a moment you were inspired by something? I sang Matthew Broderick to Brighton Beach Memoirs on Broadway. I think I was like 15 or something. And I could have gone, there was like, it was a fork in the road.

00:54:26 Speaker_01
I could have stopped doing what I was doing. But I saw him do that, and I just had such a good time. And I was like, oh, I wanna do that. I love that.

00:54:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, it wasn't even singing. For me, it was, I was 17. I remember this so clearly. And I read On the Road by Jack Kerouac. And it sounds so cliche, but fuck, I was like, you can get out into the world?

00:54:51 Speaker_03
And that was actually spurred me to go, I can move to New York. And I moved when I was 20. And it was like, yeah, fucking Kerouac, that's what they did. When did you grow up? In Toronto, Canada. And you're like, that's what you do.

00:55:02 Speaker_03
If you want to be out in the world, you got to get out into the world. And that really spurred me on for the rest of my life.

00:55:07 Speaker_02
I love that. Daniel, what's going to happen with you for the rest of the day?

00:55:11 Speaker_01
And by the way, we're going to talk about Queer. I want to hear a little bit about Queer. So Queer's out December 13th. You read the script. You think immediately. Do you think about the character?

00:55:21 Speaker_01
Are you thinking about that incredible director, Luca Guadagnino? Or what? What's going through your mind? All of that.

00:55:30 Speaker_00
Yeah, all of that. I wanted to work with Luca. I think he's just a really exciting kind of out there director who's just pushing it.

00:55:40 Speaker_01
But so it was a pretty quick yes, yes?

00:55:42 Speaker_00
Totally, yeah. And the script, you know, was, I mean, yeah, I mean, getting offered a really complicated, interesting, funny, sad human being to play.

00:55:56 Speaker_01
I can't wait to see it.

00:55:57 Speaker_00
I'm so excited. I know, me too.

00:55:59 Speaker_01
Me too. Congratulations on that.

00:56:01 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:56:02 Speaker_01
Thank you. All right, you're done. You've done great. Now you can get your cold eggs there. I'm very sorry.

00:56:11 Speaker_00
I'm just not going to eat the potatoes in front of you.

00:56:13 Speaker_01
Sean will be here soon.

00:56:14 Speaker_00
That's my personal, I've got a problem with that. I'll take them off your hands. I have to go into a dark cupboard and eat potatoes.

00:56:21 Speaker_02
Wait, Daniel, do you live in the UK?

00:56:25 Speaker_00
I do. I lived in New York for nearly 20 years. No, 15 years. And moved back to London this summer.

00:56:33 Speaker_02
And do you love visiting L.A.? Are you like, I'm in, I'm out?

00:56:37 Speaker_00
I mean, it's love-hate, it's all that thing. I do love this and I love California. I went to the desert for a couple of days before I started this to get some kind of R&R. And you know, there's no place like this on Earth. And then I want to leave.

00:56:55 Speaker_00
really quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:58 Speaker_03
Yeah. Last question. Do you still follow Liverpool at all?

00:57:01 Speaker_00
Yes. Yeah. You do? Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Religiously. Yeah. Yeah. Same. I don't get to many games, sadly, but now I'm back in England.

00:57:08 Speaker_03
I'm hoping to get to a few. Let's come in the new year. I'm going to come over there. Let's go to a game. Let's make this match.

00:57:12 Speaker_00
I would really like that.

00:57:13 Speaker_03
Okay. Great.

00:57:13 Speaker_00
Yeah. Yeah. I really like that.

00:57:15 Speaker_01
Daniel, thank you so much for doing this, pal.

00:57:16 Speaker_00
Thank you so much. Thank you. I love this man very much. Huge fan. Huge fan. Yeah. Thank you. All right, buddy. Bye. Take care. Bye. I don't know how to stop this. There you go.

00:57:25 Speaker_01
Now there's a guy's guy. He's a woman's guy, too. And he slammed the computer. You know, that's a great sign. You love that, J.B.

00:57:34 Speaker_02
I really do. He is. He's great. Like, you know, how do you talk to him without bringing up James Bond? I can't tell if he's sick of it.

00:57:41 Speaker_01
I think we did a good job of not peppering him with all the shit he's been asked, maybe. I don't know. I've never seen an interview with him.

00:57:48 Speaker_02
I mean, I always say this on this little podcast of ours is like, when I meet people I've never met before like that, I'm huge fans. Of course, I want to ask them all the fan questions, but I'm nervous.

00:57:57 Speaker_03
Yeah. I know. You know, like... How many films have you seen a billion times? I want to get down to your numbers now.

00:58:03 Speaker_02
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I've seen that so many times. I've seen all of them so many times. But Skyfall, Scotty's favorite. And we've seen that many times. That's incredible.

00:58:12 Speaker_01
Skyfall? You've never seen Skyfall? That's the one, right? Oh, it's so good.

00:58:15 Speaker_02
Wait, are you kidding, Jay?

00:58:16 Speaker_01
No, I'm not. Invite me over, for Christ's sake.

00:58:19 Speaker_02
Wait, Jason, Skyfall is amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. And you love Javier Bardem. He takes his teeth out and is fucking crazy.

00:58:27 Speaker_01
Spoiler alert. Wait, what's your favorite line that he ever said? Oh, yeah. Oh, this, my ear. I hear it through my ear.

00:58:36 Speaker_03
Take your hand away from your ear. Take your hand away from your ear. Oh, what a line.

00:58:42 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:58:42 Speaker_03
Is James Bond around?

00:58:45 Speaker_02
That was another one. No, but- Go ahead, go ahead, Sean.

00:58:51 Speaker_03
Oh, Sean, I know you were gonna say, fuck me, dude. Watching your face try to line up a buy.

00:58:57 Speaker_01
Because he looks down at the computer, because he kind of works on them, I think.

00:58:59 Speaker_02
Of course he does. No, no, I had one, I have one.

00:59:03 Speaker_01
Have we ever gotten a bunch of suggestions from our listeners of what we can do for our buys? You ask it all the time. I know, but do we have a portal for them to fill? Portal? Fill our portal? What do you mean?

00:59:17 Speaker_01
Or some sort of a site they can put all these recommendations on so we can stop listening to Sean's shitty buys.

00:59:23 Speaker_03
But also, it's not the shitty buys.

00:59:25 Speaker_01
No, it's not.

00:59:26 Speaker_03
It's the way he goes, it's the way he goes, blah, blah, blah, and he goes, yeah, so also I was thinking that I... And you're like, fuck, dude. Here it comes.

00:59:35 Speaker_02
What are you doing? No, I was going to say, what does Sti, what does Jason Sti rhyme with?

00:59:39 Speaker_01
No, that's no good. Will, you got one?

00:59:41 Speaker_02
I don't have one.

00:59:42 Speaker_01
That's mine.

00:59:43 Speaker_03
No, that's... No, I'm glad that it's... You should be guest related.

00:59:47 Speaker_01
You know, it should be tied into the guest somehow.

00:59:50 Speaker_03
Well, I mean... Skyfall, its original title was Vi... Vi...fall! Sounds like you got yourselves in a little bind. Ah! Robbie!