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Episode: Culpable 5-Year Review I Live From CrimeCon 2024

Author: Tenderfoot TV, Resonate Recordings & Audacy
Duration: 00:42:08

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June 2024 marked 5 years since the release of the very first episode of Culpable - investigating the case of Christian Andreacchio. At that time nobody could have imagined where the road would lead, but a lot has happened since then. As Dennis and the team reached this new milestone,

they decided to take some time to do a bit of reflection as well as a look ahead. And there's no better setting than the place where it all began, CrimeCon. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary

In this live episode from CrimeCon 2024, host Dennis Cooper celebrates the five-year journey of 'Culpable', reflecting on its inception with Christian Andreacchio's case. He discusses the podcast's growth, listener engagement, and the emotional toll of storytelling in true crime. Highlighting the importance of incorporating the human element, Cooper addresses the challenges of podcast production and the impact of community support. Looking ahead, he reassures listeners of a new season's development while reiterating the podcast's mission to honor victims and uncover justice.

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When I stumbled upon an old box full of VHS tapes and police reports, I didn't expect to uncover connections to several unsolved murders near my hometown.

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I've been investigating how these murders could be connected to a group called the Lords of Death. Check out this clip from the show.

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So Tim had a tattoo on his arm that was just letters. It said LOD. And I asked Mick what LOD stood for. And I was told it stood for Lords of Death. So I asked, you know, for the meaning behind it. And only a couple people had the tattoo, apparently.

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And in order to get the tattoo, you had to take someone's soul, as in murder someone, is what I was told. But it never really clicked with me that it was like, they were really the Lords of Death.

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I could just see them being like, yeah, cool, we're the Lords of Death, and it really meaning nothing is how I looked at it. But I was wrong. It meant a lot.

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I'm Thrasher Banks, host of the new Tenderfoot TV podcast, Lords of Death. For an ad-free binge, subscribe to Tenderfoot Plus at tenderfootplus.com.

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Hey listeners, it's me, Dennis. I'm here to share with you a special bonus episode of Culpable that we recorded live from the Gaylord Opryland Resort in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Now, you might be wondering why we'd be recording an episode live from Opryland. Couple reasons.

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This month marked five years since we released our very first episode of Culpable, investigating the case of Christian Andreacchio, and that was just the start of things.

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A couple years later, we released season two, covering the case of Brittany Stikes. Then came the release of our case review series, highlighting 11 cases in total thus far, as we continue our work on the next season of Culpable.

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So as we hit this new milestone, it felt right to take some time to do a bit of reflection.

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and there couldn't be a better opportunity than the five-year anniversary of season one at the very place where we first learned of Christian Andriacchio's story. CrimeCon, Nashville, Tennessee. Pretty cool, right?

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But before we jump into things, I want to take a second to thank each and every one of you for listening to Culpable. It seriously means the world to me. But you all do much more than listen. You send love to victims' families.

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You give us feedback, ways to improve. You share tips. Heck, you even share the stories that we go on to cover. So I just want to recognize that. Being at CrimeCon was such a neat and humbling experience.

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To shake hands and take pictures with all the people who have supported us over the years and helped make Culpable what it is today. We truly couldn't do it without you all.

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So, live from Tenderfoot TV's booth at CrimeCon, we set up a little stage, and I sat down with my lead producer, Jon Street, who's been with me from the beginning, for some raw and honest conversations about Cold Bull, to give listeners a little more insight into our past work and a look at what's ahead.

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So be sure to stick around until after the credits. I hope you enjoy.

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So, this is day one at CrimeCon 2024. How are you feeling?

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Oh, man. So far, so good. It's just a great community here, man. People that care so much about this stuff. Just a caring group of people, man. It's been really cool to meet, you know, fans of the show and fans of Tenderfoot Show.

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I mean, you can't beat this venue. It's pretty awesome. So, so far, so good. So, doors opened a couple hours ago, and we've already had quite a few people looking for Dennis Cooper. So many. So many. Yeah, man, that's crazy.

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I don't know why, but they're here.

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So I want to get your take on the venue. So we're at the Gaylord Opryland here in Nashville. It's a very unique place. How would you explain it?

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Somebody earlier said it's like being in Las Vegas, which is like, I've never been to Vegas, actually, but I do kind of picture it that way. It's like, I mean, this place is massive. Oh, it's crazy.

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You know, I had to call you for directions on the way in to try to find the entrance. So this place is massive, but a great spot to hold this event. Plenty of space for the 6,000 plus Attendance or whatever attendees.

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So yeah, this is really cool spot man, and it's cool for me because The the first year I was gonna come here It was in Nashville, but I ended up not going and went the next year. It's in New Orleans.

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Yeah, so but this place is special in other ways, which I'm sure we'll get into and

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Yeah, it is special. So, I mean, one of the interesting things is we're coming up very quickly, just a couple weeks on the five-year anniversary of season one of Culpable. How does that make you feel?

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It's been five years since you first dove into Christian's case.

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Crazy, man. Like, In some ways it feels like it was just yesterday, you know? But honestly, the other day I was looking through old pictures of Culpable and I'm thinking like, who is that kid? Like, it was, yeah man.

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So it's, in a way, it feels like it's been five years too. Like, that's quite a milestone. It's pretty cool.

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Yeah, it feels a bit like a lifetime ago. Yeah. So the other crazy thing is not only are we coming up on five years, but this is the same exact venue we were actually initially approached by Christian's family to talk to us about covering his case.

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Right.

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Yeah. Yeah. So again, this place is special for culpable for that reason. Yes, we were approached by a family member of Christians at the 2018 CrimeCon in Nashville, right here at the same place.

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And that's how I eventually learned of his story, which turned into Culpable. And then also in 2019, like, shout out to this event, because 2019, we were, like I said, we were in New Orleans.

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And that's special, too, because that's where we promoted season one of Culpable. I mean, we got the word out there and you know, did a panel and did a live investigative experience and got the word out there.

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And, you know, it probably benefited from that in the long run that we chose just this awesome platform here, CrimeCon Conventions, to promote it that next year. So CrimeCon is special in two ways as far as the milestones go.

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2018, learning of Christian's story. 2019, promoting it and releasing season one. So, yeah, really, really thankful for this event and everybody who runs it.

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So I think there's no better time than now, no better place than here to do a bit of a kind of a recap and a look back over the last five years because so much has happened, because CrimeCon has played such an integral part in Culpable as a franchise.

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And even like we just said, just the way that we've been able to have CrimeCon be so intricately interwoven into everything that we've gone through. So I know it's been a little while, but I do want to throw things back to season one.

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Before Culpable was a thing, talk to me about life. Where were you at? What were you doing? What was going on in Dennis' life?

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It was very different. Work-wise, I was working for a telecommunications company at the time. nothing really close to the world of podcasting, you know, and just working like a normal nine to five, just kind of cruising.

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And home life though was probably a lot similar. I, you know, I have my wife and four kids and that hasn't changed too much, but, but the work itself has changed dramatically. Like I said, I, Making a podcast was not really in my plans.

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It just kind of came together that way. I was just trying to work my normal nine to five and pay the bills and get to the next day. So to now be here five years later and be doing this for a living is really cool. I feel very blessed to be doing this.

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It's pretty crazy. So I do. Let's start there. Let's talk about Christian's case. Talked a little bit about the venue of how we got connected to Christian's family. But what do you remember about that time? So you're doing telecommunications.

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Podcasting's not even on your radar. And then all of a sudden, this case, this story of Christian Andreacchio comes into your world. Tell me about that.

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Yeah, yeah. So like we discussed, you know, we learned about it at CrimeCon. You know, we were actually, we worked in the same building together. That's how we know each other, right?

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So Resonate was the one who collected the card that explained his case of the flyer and Jacob passed it along to me. And just knowing that I was a fan of true crime and would be interested in it. And so I read over the flyer.

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I found it very interesting. I then proceeded to get on Google and do all my research and learn what I could learn about Christian's case. And then I just made the decision one day, like Ray Andreacchio, Chris's mom, her phone number was on there.

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And I just decided I'll just give her a ring and just give my condolences, tell her I'm interested in her son's story. Still was not planning on making a podcast out of it, that's for sure. And then, man, my heart just broke for her hearing

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what she'd been through in the past. At the time, it was about five years investigating her own son's death. And so, yeah, I think at that point, just my heart, my heart was in it.

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And I was like, you know what, this would be a really cool podcast to make. But how do I make it? You know, like, I don't know how to do that. And so that's where, you know, Resonate at the time came in and the partnership with Tenderfoot.

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So what was it like going from working in telecommunications, something completely unrelated to true crime, unrelated to podcasting at all, to now hearing about this case, your heart going out to Ray, Todd, the family, and feeling compelled to actually want to do something?

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What was that journey like for you? How did you take those leaps?

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Yeah, so there's a lot of growing pains, that's for sure.

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It wasn't easy because, like I said, I'm balancing a full-time job at the same time, so a lot of my hours in the podcast were put in late at night, sometimes during the day if I could swing it. And you know what goes into making a podcast.

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It's not just sitting down and writing. I'm trying to find ways to travel to Meridian, Mississippi for like, you know, can I pull off a couple days and then come back and catch up on work? You know, can I do this interview tonight?

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And like I said, I have a wife and at the time, three kids at home. So it's not it's not like it was just easy decisions like anything that I was doing with the podcast, you know, was affecting home life as well.

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And, you know, creating obstacles there and taking up so much of my time and energy, because, you know, like when you get into a case like Christian's, like I was with his,

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you're not just interested in it, like you're fully immersed and you care about it and you want to solve it and you want to make a difference. And so that takes time and attention and dedication. And so that all went into it.

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And like I said, it was it was a big adjustment. Like I said, I'm a homebody working a nine to five and now all of a sudden I'm trying to juggle a podcast on the side and I want to do it right. I want to do it right by the family and make a good show.

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So there's a lot of pressure there, too. If I could even backpedal a little bit, the funny thing is, I tried my hardest to get out of hosting it.

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Once we had decided, okay, let's make this podcast, we'll partner with Tenderfoot, it's culpable, all the chips were lining up, everything was lining up, and then it's like, okay, who's gonna host it? And I was like, I'd rather not. I can write it.

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I would love to write it. I've already started. But hosting was like, no way. I didn't want to put myself out there in that way. But there just wasn't anyone else qualified to take it on.

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So it was honestly even kind of chance that I took on that role of hosting it. But it's a choice that I'm thankful I made.

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Yeah, something that most fans may not know about you is that doing stuff like this, being in front of people, is not your forte. You actually really hate this stuff. Yes. I'm shaking. You don't gravitate towards it.

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And if I wasn't a good friend of yours and kind of shoehorned you into doing this, it probably wouldn't have happened. I'd want no other moderator. You're the best moderator, man. But I appreciate you sitting down with me, man.

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So I know we have a lot to get through, so I want to fast forward a little bit. So you start production on Christian Story, turns into a podcast, and then pretty quickly it becomes a number one show.

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What does that do for you as somebody who didn't even come from the world of podcasting, and now not only are you a podcaster and trying to figure out how to balance work and life and figure out how to do an investigation, but now you have a number one show.

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What is that journey like? Man, it was nuts.

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I mean, look, it's Tenderfoot TV. I was expecting the show to make a splash. I was expecting people to at least give it a listen and try it. I didn't expect it to make that big of a splash. And I didn't expect that many people to keep listening.

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So that was really reassuring for me going into it and being new to it. And doing something that was out of my comfort zone was like, Those aren't just new listeners, those are return listeners. People are invested in this with me.

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For whatever reason, they care what I have to say. And so that was really cool. And obviously, hitting number one, it's not an easy feat. And it's not something that I take for granted. I don't have a whole lot of accolades in life.

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So I was really happy with the success of it in that sense, and how well it performed, how many listens it got. Hitting number one, that was a big achievement.

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So, I mean, looking back on season one, obviously hitting number one, developing a strong listener base, the fact that Christian's Law eventually gets passed, those are all highs.

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We haven't taken opportunity to really sit down and have casual conversations like this, so I do think it's helpful for listeners and fans of the show to also understand that there's kind of a challenging and a more difficult side to covering cases like this, giving up hours and hours of your day, your week, to create a series like this.

00:14:38 Speaker_05
asking you to be kind of on the spot here and be vulnerable. But what was something looking back that was challenging from that period of time?

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Yeah, man, a lot of stuff. Because like I said, in a lot of ways, it just kind of flipped life on its head in some ways, you know? And you think about it, like,

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The nature of what all these creators here do, the stories we tell, the stories we work on, it's already heavy, right?

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It's already, it can be very taxing, you know, following these stories, telling them, having the conversations with families that we have. So it's hard enough in that sense, but then like I said, I was just,

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I just turned into a workaholic because I was trying to juggle a full time job and a podcast. And so, you know, that obviously was a shock for my family.

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So, yeah, like I said, I mentioned earlier growing pains and it's because there was a breaking point with Culpable with me that I don't think I've ever really shared with people before. But I still remember it vividly.

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It was very much a turning point in the production of it because I was just running myself into the ground. I was probably just a total zombie to my family.

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I was sitting in my backyard one night and just the thought of everything kind of caught up and I actually, I had my first ever panic attack and that was really scary in the moment. Thankfully, I've never had one since so hopefully it stays that way.

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It was not an experience I'd wish on my worst enemy. So, yeah, in that moment, thankfully, That's why it's good to have good people around your life.

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Like I called my brother-in-law, who was a producer on season one, Mark, and he talked me down from it and stuff. And so that was great. And then from there it was like, okay, how do I prevent this from happening again?

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And how do I make this situation work? And how, how do I balance in this podcast? Cause I'm already in too deep. Like I gotta finish it.

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And so, yeah, I mean, from there, like I was actually in, I was in therapy for the rest of season one and even afterwards. So, you know, a big supporter of that, changed my life around, turned me into a better man and a better podcaster, so.

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So season one wraps up, a little bit of time passes, and then season two, Brittany Stikes, her case comes along. What was that shift like? How did that come to you and the team?

00:19:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, that was too kind of you to pass over the lawsuit. Do you want to get into that? You're always looking out for me, man. I think there's too much PTSD around that. Yeah, because I was just about to say, like, there was some time lapse there, man.

00:20:01 Speaker_03
There was a period of healing at the end of season one. But no, season two, yeah, I think that was in 2021. It's funny, because I was actually working on a different case at the time. I was working on a case. in New Orleans at the time.

00:20:14 Speaker_03
I've been following it for some time and I thought it might be season two of Culpable, but the more I dug into it I realized like it should It's not the right fit for Cold Blood. It should be a different series. We should create a new series.

00:20:25 Speaker_03
So I was in the process of figuring that out, and I met Jessica Knoll, who I still work with to this day. Shout out to Jessica. She's an investigative journalist out of Ohio.

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And she told me about this story near her hometown of Brittany Stikes, a young pregnant woman who was gunned down on the highway while driving to her dad's birthday.

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she was pregnant you know it wasn't just her that was killed and it was the baby as well and then her one-year-old was in the back seat and she suffered a gunshot wound to the head but fortunately survived so that's that case in a nutshell but yeah she told me about it and i just took a liking to it i was just i was really intrigued with it i was really intrigued how

00:21:10 Speaker_03
you can get shot on a busy highway in a small town like this and get away with it.

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Like I think that was really the element that really stuck with me beyond obviously carrying my heart went out I mean you lose a young mother and an unborn child like anybody's heart's gonna go out for him but

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It was something about that realization of like, how in the world would this case not be solved? Like, how can you not solve this? Like, there had to be people that passed it up as it happened.

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And so I found that really interesting, but Jessica told me about this case and I just got really interested in it and started following it and was like, man, this would be a really good fit for season two.

00:21:47 Speaker_03
So I just kind of asked her, I was like, hey, I know you're interested in telling this story, that's why you're kind of pitching it to me, but like, Would you mind if I took it and run with it? I would love to have you on board as a producer."

00:21:59 Speaker_03
So she graciously let me do that. And it was funny, because full circle, she was interested in the case I was covering in New Orleans at that time. And so we actually kind of did a flip-flop.

00:22:09 Speaker_03
She took on the Jessica Easterly case out of New Orleans and turned it into a new series called Undetermined. And I took on Brittany Stikes' case out of Brown County, Ohio. And she helped me produce that. was my local tour guide.

00:22:22 Speaker_03
So yeah, a lot of fun memories doing season two with Jessica.

00:22:26 Speaker_05
So what's that process like? Because prior to that, life was mostly focused, at least from a podcast standpoint, on Christian and Christian's case.

00:22:36 Speaker_05
And now you're shifting gears to investigate a completely different case, different circumstances, different family. Was that easy, hard? What was that transition?

00:22:46 Speaker_03
It was easy. I would say easy because Like I said, there was a period of like healing at the end of season one. Like I just needed, I had been so immersed in that story for years.

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Like I just needed to breathe for a little bit and then came the lawsuit and that, you know, put a damper on things. And so I just needed to get out from that sort of, cloud of season one. I don't want to put it in a bad way.

00:23:08 Speaker_03
I mean, you know, the Andrew Occhio family is amazing. None of it was their doing. None of it was the case's doing. It was my doing. I signed up to do the job and just kind of got in over my head a little bit.

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And I was a first time podcaster just trying to figure it out on the fly. Like, so it's my doing, but I just needed time to breathe after that. And then when I found Brittany's case, it was like, I was hungry. I was ready to go.

00:23:33 Speaker_03
I was ready to do season two. So if anything, I would say it was easy. One, because I'd taken some time and was just kind of ready to do another season, but two, because I knew what I was doing. I'd done it before now. I know how to make a podcast.

00:23:46 Speaker_03
I have producers surrounding me. I have people like you, John, who keep me on track, and Jessica helped with season two tremendously, and people like Jamie Albright. I have a team. I have Dayton Cole, who can make my audio sound like you're in a movie.

00:24:01 Speaker_03
I'm equipped. I know what I'm doing. So, if anything, I would say making season two was a much easier and smoother process.

00:24:11 Speaker_05
So I'm curious, I mean, the cases, you know, Christian and Brittany are very different. What drew you to each one of those cases, respectively?

00:24:20 Speaker_03
Well, with Christian's, it's just, I mean, you can ask anybody around here, all the countless people I've met today, like, it's just a very unique case. You know, I won't run through all the details right now, but I'll just say,

00:24:33 Speaker_03
Christian Andriacchio's case is a case that if you're in a true crime and you start following it, whether it's just looking at it online or listening to Culpable, you're gonna get sucked into it. You just are. So it's just a really interesting case.

00:24:46 Speaker_03
But with season two, part of the draw was I wanted to switch things up. Christian's was a question of, it was ruled a suicide, and we wanted to question that and say, did he? Let's look at everything here. Is it possible that there was foul play?

00:25:04 Speaker_03
So that's what we wanted to present with that season. With season two, that question was off the table. Everybody knows Brittany Stikes was murdered in cold blood. The question was who did it?

00:25:13 Speaker_03
And so I'd first say that it just had different elements to it, and I wanted You know, as a creative, you always want to switch it up and do different things. And so it just, it felt like taking a different direction.

00:25:25 Speaker_03
You also got a female victim instead of a male. You know, she loses a, an unborn child at the time. And she has a little, a kid in the mix as well.

00:25:34 Speaker_03
Like Christian was just a young dude, you know, hadn't started a life for a family, really his life for his family yet. Yeah, it just had a lot of different elements to it. And it's really hard to say as far as big cases, like a lot of it's just,

00:25:46 Speaker_03
something pulls at your heartstrings or it's just this gut feeling it's like this is the one and it's hard to say exactly why I landed on Brittany Stikes' case but you know I was definitely drawn to it for different reasons than Christian's but ultimately just felt like the right fit.

00:25:59 Speaker_05
So one of the common pieces of feedback that we've gotten from people over the years is obviously season one and season two are long form, right? It's not just one case over one episode. These are deep investigations.

00:26:14 Speaker_05
But there's a lot of focus on the family and the victim. And sometimes people even say, hey, the story drags on too much. You know, just get to the more, you know, quote-unquote compelling things of like the who, what, where, when, and why.

00:26:26 Speaker_05
Like, take me behind the scenes so I can figure out, like, what actually happened and who was involved. What would your response be to somebody who listens to those episodes and that's their takeaway?

00:26:38 Speaker_03
That's tough. Well, one, I'd say that's just the way I write my stories. So there's a reason behind that, which I'll get into, but it's just something I feel passionate about is just protecting that human element. And these victims, I get it.

00:26:54 Speaker_03
I get that it's... The real meat of the story is what was the crime? What was the timeline of events that led up to it? What evidence is there? Et cetera, et cetera.

00:27:03 Speaker_03
The meat of the story is very much the crime itself and trying, in our case, investigating it and trying to, at best, solve it. But I just feel like

00:27:15 Speaker_03
In the middle of that story, there's obviously a victim who isn't just that guy who died in Meridian, Mississippi.

00:27:24 Speaker_03
He's a young man with a loving family and a good job, and he's creating a better life for himself and moving up the ranks with his work.

00:27:35 Speaker_03
to just glaze over all that and say, pick up the story with in the apartment where Christian died is just, in my opinion, just ethically, it's wrong. I'm not saying you have to spend a full two, three episodes talking about that person's background.

00:27:51 Speaker_03
I get it. It's a true crime story. But my heart has to be in the stories that I tell. And the way that happens is by genuinely caring about the victim, and the first thing to talk about is talking with the family about that person.

00:28:04 Speaker_03
I don't even want to get on the crime for hours. Let me just learn about who this person was so I can do my best to put myself in their shoes.

00:28:11 Speaker_03
If I'm going to go air out their dirty laundry and peel back the layers of their life, the least I could do is make a conscious effort to feel like I have an understanding of who that person was and give the audience that same idea of who that person was going into the story.

00:28:27 Speaker_03
I totally respect anybody that feels that way. Trust me.

00:28:29 Speaker_03
I've listened to other stuff and had the same thought before, too, but, you know, I just would want people to know that, one, I'm sorry, that's just the way it is, but, two, there's meaning behind that. There's a reason we do it that way.

00:28:42 Speaker_03
Even though some people might say, hey, stop doing it that way, I'm not a huge fan of it. It's something I'm passionate about, is protecting that victim in the story. So that's something that we set out and do with every story we tell.

00:28:55 Speaker_03
Even our shorter episodes, our case-review episodes that are single episodes, we aim to do the same thing.

00:29:00 Speaker_05
Yeah, and there's plenty of content out there that's more procedurally driven. You know, talking about the vents, timelines, ballistics.

00:29:08 Speaker_05
you know, autopsies, and that stuff is all very important, but at the end of the day, these are stories that we're trying to tell, because there's human elements that have to be drawn out, and that's the main focus of what the team at Tenderfoot really is trying to prioritize, is telling stories that need to be told, that are powerful, that are impactful, that need to be shared, and so if we strip out all of that, the human element, then you're left with something that may be still helpful, but doesn't quite resonate with us as content creators, nor the fans themselves.

00:29:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, no, that's a really good point. Like if I could add to it, it's like, yes, we have a platform and we can put a spotlight on and make a difference in a case without having that human element.

00:29:50 Speaker_03
but to me it's just kind of a disservice to the victim.

00:29:53 Speaker_03
So much of what we do is like, I always say like giving a voice to the voiceless and that's not only the victim who's obviously lost their voice, but also their families and what they're going through and who also feel like they're not being heard and can feel a bit voiceless in the matter.

00:30:08 Speaker_03
So yeah, it's just, it's powerful and I think it's important to include that in the stories we tell.

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00:33:03 Speaker_05
So we're mid-season on dropping new episodes of Case Review. So right on the heels of season one and season two, we kind of shifted gears a bit to the Case Review series. So I do want to kind of talk about that transition and what that was like.

00:33:19 Speaker_05
So help me understand what your thinking was. We've got two really successful long-form seasons, and then we decided to take what was working and kind of flip it on its head a little bit with the Case Review series.

00:33:33 Speaker_05
How would you explain the difference between creatively digging into a story, long form, and then trying to summarize it and do a one-episode, episodic type of a feel?

00:33:45 Speaker_03
It's been quite an adjustment. Obviously, like you said, it's quite a deviation in terms of the story you hear, how much of it you're hearing, you know, doing one episode on a case versus 10. Huge difference.

00:33:58 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's like, I don't know what you just mentioned a second ago, that made me laugh, because it's like, yeah, in a way, we're kind of fixing something that's not broken. But the thing that I don't think everybody realizes is,

00:34:10 Speaker_03
When I do a story like Christian's or like Brittany's, I mean that's a year or two of investment. From first hearing about the story to it being fully released, it's a one to two year project. And people crave for serialized podcasts.

00:34:26 Speaker_03
I mean, that's how I got into this was through those types of stories. So is there a need for it? Absolutely. And it makes a huge difference for one victim and their family and their fight for justice.

00:34:38 Speaker_03
And that was a whole big reason why I got into it in the first place. But It was hard to have this nagging feeling of like that we could be helping so many more in that time span that passes and in that year or two that passed.

00:34:52 Speaker_03
It's like, you know, I just realized, man, we could be helping even more families, like we could be telling even more stories. We just have to shorten the format.

00:35:02 Speaker_03
So that's what case review was really about, was a way to highlight more cases, hopefully make a difference in more cases, give more families out there that are suffering that want answers to their loved one's case, ears, both us listening to the story but also the world.

00:35:16 Speaker_03
It's been a great thing. I'm enjoying doing it. But it is, it's an adjustment for sure. It's hard because like I said, my heart has to be into what I tell. So we still try to channel some of those same elements.

00:35:26 Speaker_03
We still have our cold opens and we still spend ample time on the victim and their backstory and the not true crime stuff, right? So we wanted to protect those things still, but we also realized like we have 40 to 60 minutes to tell this.

00:35:39 Speaker_03
And there's case stuff to get into too, case material to get into. So, you know, trying to find a way to juggle that and include just the facts and what's most important and also still include that human element.

00:35:51 Speaker_03
I'll tell you what, it's much more challenging to cram that into 40 to 60 minutes than it is 10 episodes. You know, with 10 episodes you just have so much more freedom of how you want to lay out the story.

00:35:59 Speaker_03
So, but I think we've done a good job of it and it's gotten, you know, good reception and stuff. So that, that I'm excited about, but yeah, it's been different.

00:36:07 Speaker_05
Yeah, I think it's important to hit on too. I mean, we get so many cases submitted to us as a team through, you know, socials, through our contact pages across our full slate of shows.

00:36:18 Speaker_05
And a lot of them are really interesting and compelling, but there's not always all of the pieces there to do a long form story. And so using a platform like case review, where it's episodic,

00:36:29 Speaker_05
gives you the ability to still give it the coverage and the awareness that you would hope to bring to a story like that without having to commit to telling a story over 8, 10, 12 episodes that may not be there and may just be really challenging to actually stretch over that period of time.

00:36:48 Speaker_05
So I think there's also a bit of a pragmatic approach as well, where it's like, there's a story, it grabs us, it's really interesting, we feel like it needs to be talked about, but there may not be quite enough there for us to tell over a long-form season.

00:36:59 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's a really, really good point, because even with Seasons 1 and Season 2, I always say they fell on my lap, because In terms of how they came across me, they did. They just fell in my lap.

00:37:12 Speaker_03
But those stories were still, there was still time spent investigating those before the decision was ever made of this is season one, this is season two. I always say you have to peel back layers to a case to know

00:37:28 Speaker_03
Like what you said, how many episodes can it be? Can this case actually be a 10-episode investigative series? I don't know.

00:37:36 Speaker_03
Some cases just can't, because maybe the family doesn't want to talk, and maybe there's nobody that really knows the case or is close to it, or it's open and the police are closed off about it, and you just don't really have enough meat to the story to tell 10 episodes on it.

00:37:49 Speaker_03
But you can tell one episode on any case out there. And so it's like, if we have the ability to do that, and we have a platform and people are listening, why not do it?

00:37:57 Speaker_05
So I know that you're not a big social media guy and you kind of, for better term, you kind of live in a bubble in a way. That is true. Yeah. What is social media? I'm probably going to ask you a question that you may not know how to answer.

00:38:09 Speaker_05
Outside of an event like this where we've gotten some really good, candid feedback on the case review episodes, what do you feel like the response of culpable fans has been to taking the shift into the case review series?

00:38:21 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah. I think for the most part it's been very positive. You know, I don't always get lost in the weeds of feedback. Feedback does matter to me. Constructive criticism matters to me. Our reviews matter to me.

00:38:32 Speaker_03
Like, I see them, but it's not something I, like, live in, per se, but

00:38:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, for the most part what I've seen is the feedback's been good and I've talked to numerous people here today that have said the same and that means a lot to me because, like I said, in a way we were kind of fixing something that wasn't broken.

00:38:47 Speaker_03
I know what the people really want. Like I said, there's a demand for long-form, serialized investigative podcasts. It's kind of like its own animal in this world of true crime, I feel like. But again, those things take time and a lot of energy and so

00:39:02 Speaker_03
You know, I felt like it was a calculated risk to do the case review series. Like, we can still make this feel like culpable. It's still me hosting it, but we're just going to be covering these in shorter form.

00:39:15 Speaker_03
And it seems like people have received it well. I mean, I guess I don't have, I don't know for sure, but like I said, most of the feedback seems to be positive, so I'll accept that.

00:39:24 Speaker_05
So, I mean, Culpable, from the very beginning, has been kind of your baby, your brainchild. How would you kind of encompass what Culpable is, like the franchise, the concept, the theme? How would you explain it to somebody?

00:39:38 Speaker_03
Well, I'll start with the definition of it, because that's what we did for our very first trailer, because I think culpable is a word that most people are familiar with, but possibly get the definition twisted on.

00:39:49 Speaker_03
At its core, culpable just means deserving blame, right? But we don't want people to get that twisted and think that our show is about pointing fingers at people, because it's not. Our goal is to take an unresolved case

00:40:04 Speaker_03
and investigate it and hopefully uncover some truth and some answers along the way, maybe even solve it. But we're just trying to make a difference in that case. We're not trying to go in there and point fingers at people.

00:40:15 Speaker_03
If somebody, if it comes out that somebody's guilty and they get arrested during the show, that's fine. Like if they're culpable, they're culpable. We're not trying to point fingers at culpable.

00:40:25 Speaker_03
We're just trying to investigate an unsolved or unresolved case. And beyond that, I would say something I hit on earlier is like a big part of what I want to do is be a voice for the victim.

00:40:39 Speaker_03
for their family, for their loved ones who are fighting for justice for them, and ultimately, like I say, give a voice to the voiceless. That's something I echo a lot, but it's so true.

00:40:49 Speaker_03
That's very much what my passion has been from day one of getting into this, and still is to this day, is doing that. At its base, Culpable is an investigative, long-form podcast delving into unsolved or unresolved cases.

00:41:05 Speaker_03
And then my ultimate purpose behind it is to hopefully uncover the truth, find answers, and at the very least do a service to that victim and give a voice to them and tell a story to the world that maybe other people haven't heard.

00:41:18 Speaker_05
Yeah, and as we're wrapping up, I give just huge thanks and a shout out to fans, longtime listeners, because Culpable would not be what it is today after five years without the many people who have listened to it and given us just the tremendous feedback.

00:41:34 Speaker_05
not just that what we have made has resonated with them, but it's also spurred us on in times where we're having honest conversations saying like, hey, this is really hard.

00:41:42 Speaker_05
This is really difficult to continue to push on and make more content, find new cases to cover, because at the end of the day, it is making a difference.

00:41:51 Speaker_03
Oh, absolutely, man. Yeah, I want to echo that same thing. Yeah, like we're We creators are nothing without an audience, without fans who listen to it and care.

00:42:01 Speaker_03
And this is just, like I said, I opened this whole thing up, this is a very caring community. These people care about this stuff. It's not just enjoyment to them, their heart is in it. They care about these victims and these stories.

00:42:12 Speaker_03
They care about trying to get to the bottom of it or sharing them with other people. That means a lot. And as for Culpable and myself, I don't do a good job of cheerleading for myself. So I need that stuff. It really means a lot.

00:42:25 Speaker_03
And we don't really get an opportunity to express that to fans, I feel like, in the stories we tell.

00:42:30 Speaker_03
So having a platform like this today and being able to publicly acknowledge that is important for me because I genuinely am so thankful for people who have

00:42:40 Speaker_03
listened in and stuck with me and care what I had to say because it's allowed me to pursue a passion I never thought I would pursue.

00:42:49 Speaker_03
I love what I'm doing and as long as people will keep caring what I have to say, I'm going to keep telling these stories.

00:43:01 Speaker_05
Culpable is a production of Tenderfoot TV in partnership with Odyssey. Special thanks to Dylan Harrington and Dayton Cole for support on this episode.

00:43:10 Speaker_05
If you haven't listened to Culpable season one or two, or the case review series, go right now on your podcast app and check them out. All episodes are available now.

00:43:19 Speaker_05
And be sure to follow us on our socials, at culpablepodcast, for the latest information about the show. Thanks for listening.

00:43:33 Speaker_05
So I'm probably going to ask a burning question that a lot of listeners are thinking and asking themselves slash posting in reviews and comments. Is case review kind of the future of the franchise?

00:43:47 Speaker_05
How do you see that playing its way into the content that we create?

00:43:52 Speaker_03
I'd say case review is part of the future, but for anybody concerned like, oh no, Dennis will never be back with another long form season, and it's just this now, rest assured, it's not the future.

00:44:05 Speaker_03
The future is going to be season three of Culpable, which I can't really spill the beans on, but I can say that I'm

00:44:14 Speaker_03
very much in the weeds of it and I'm working diligently on it my head's down and I will try and get it out there to the public as fast as I possibly can because I know people are itching to hear it.

00:44:25 Speaker_03
I talked to many of them today and so yeah I'm hard at work on it but yeah season three is the future but we'll probably continue to do our case review series as well. What I will add though because just because we're on the subject of case review

00:44:39 Speaker_03
That was something else that we knew going into case review could be, like it could be a tool for us to find cases. Because like I said,

00:44:48 Speaker_03
you don't really know if a case could be season one or season two of Cold Bull until you pull back some layers, you know, until you talk to the family, until you start doing some investigating.

00:44:57 Speaker_03
And so case review offers a way to do that and then, you know, see what happens from there.

00:45:04 Speaker_03
And it just so happens that there was a case that I covered on case review that, you know, at the time there was only so much story to tell, but it lit a fire in that town, just that little bit of coverage it got.

00:45:18 Speaker_03
And now all of a sudden, flash forward however many months it's been, and that thing has unraveled. And there's so much more to the story, so much more to tell. And I've been following along with it this whole time, staying in touch with them.

00:45:31 Speaker_03
So it will be a case review case, will be what season three turns into. But man, it's going to be so much more than what we presented the first time we presented that story on case review. Like, just so much more has come out since then.

00:45:44 Speaker_03
I've learned so much more about it. And I think the case itself is probably a little more akin to Season 1 than it is Season 2. So, you know, maybe that's something that will excite people, too, knowing that. But that's all I'll say about it for now.

00:45:57 Speaker_03
But yeah, we're hard at work on Season 3.