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Episode: Astrology Forecast for October 2024
Author: Chris Brennan
Duration: 02:27:32
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In episode 464 astrologers Chris Brennan and Austin Coppock do an in-depth exploration of the astrology forecast for October 2024. We spend the first hour of the show talking about news stories since our last forecast, and then at 57 minutes we jump into the forecast for October. The major
highlight of the month is the solar eclipse that happens in the signs of Libra on October 2, which is the last in a series of eclipses in that sign that began one year ago. The middle of the month features a lot of tense aspects between Mars and the inner planets, which the benefic planets Venus and Jupiter are attempting to offset with helpful configurations. By late in the month the Mars-Pluto opposition begins to loom large, and we start to get sense for what that tough aspect will look like over the next several months, since Mars will station retrograde and oppose Pluto three times. This episode is available in both audio and video versions below. Northwest Astrological Conference https://norwac.net Chris and Austin's Websites https://www.chrisbrennanastrologer.com https://austincoppock.com Electional Astrology Chart for October Friday, October 25, at 3:00 PM with Aquarius rising. For more lucky dates in October see our Electional Astrology Podcast. Timestamps 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:48 Quick overview of October 00:03:40 New segment: eclipse season 00:04:10 Presidential debate & election 00:14:57 Lebanon 00:21:30 Diddy 00:26:51 Submarine wreck found 00:29:46 Hurricane Helene 00:31:45 Kendrick at Superbowl 00:40:20 Pope attacks astrology 00:46:58 Sean Evans of Hot Ones 00:53:14 NORWAC 00:57:19 October forecast begins 00:57:30 Eclipse in Libra Oct 2 01:08:15 Mars enters shadow Oct 4 01:15:57 Benefic transits counteract 01:24:57 Pluto stations Oct 11 01:38:40 Full Moon in Aries Oct 17 01:42:30 Mars-Pluto opposition 02:01:52 Uranus transits 02:06:52 Venus square Saturn Oct 28 02:11:05 Electional chart Oct 25 02:16:00 George RR Martin Mars transit 02:17:48 Moo Deng avatar of Mars in Cancer 02:20:00 Austin's upcoming events 02:22:03 Chris' 3rd house podcast 02:24:44 End cards Watch the Video Version of This Episode Watch the video version of our October astrology forecast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCqXdjL4AE - Transcript A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 464 transcript Listen to the Audio Version of This Episode Listen to the audio version of this episode or download it as an MP3:
Full Transcript
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Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to The Astrology Podcast. In this episode, we're going to be talking about the astrological forecast for October of 2024. Joining me today is astrologer Austin Coppock. Hey, Austin. Hey, Chris.
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And so for the first hour of this episode, we're going to talk about news and events that have happened in the world over the past month since our last forecast and what their astrological correlations were.
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And then the second half in the second hour, we're going to jump ahead and do a deep dive into the astrology of October and all the crazy stuff that is coming up over the course of the next four weeks.
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So as always, there will be timestamps either below this video on YouTube or on the podcast website if you want to know when to jump ahead to just the forecast section if you want to skip the news. But otherwise, yeah, let's get started.
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So I want to give a brief overview first of the astrology of October before we jump into the news segment, just to give you a preview of what we're going to be talking about in this episode. This is the planetary movements calendar that shows
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the planets will start at the beginning of the month and then how far through the signs of the zodiac they'll get by the end of the month.
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Next, we have the astrological transits calendar that was designed by Madeline de Coats of honeycomb.co, where you can actually go to download this graphic for those watching the video version.
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This just shows some of the different aspects that will go exact during the course of the month.
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especially the different parts of the month where we can see that there's some clusters of a bunch of aspects going exact at once, especially, for example, earlier in the month around the time of the eclipse or mid-month around October 13th and 14th.
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We are still right in the middle of eclipse season, so we had our first eclipse season earlier this year in March and April, and right now we are right in the midst of eclipse season in September and October again, with our next eclipse coming up in Libra on October 2nd.
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So this is a diagram that Madeline and I were putting together from honeycomb.co just to show how things really ramp up and how the orb of eclipses is about a week on either side, but that in the middle between the two eclipses, you're still in this very intense eclipse zone, so to speak, which is what we find ourselves in today.
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We are also starting the Mars retrograde shadow period on October 4th, so the ramp up to that begins when Mars hits 17 degrees of cancer. Finally, here's the planetary alignments calendar.
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The main thing that happens at the top of the month is October 2nd, we get a solar eclipse in the sign of Libra, which is a major one. It's our last eclipse in that sign of Libra for the next 10 years.
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Then a few days later, Mercury squares Mars on the 6th of October, Jupiter stations retrograde in Gemini on the 9th, Pluto stations direct in Capricorn for its final station in Capricorn of the century on the 11th of October.
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Mercury moves into Scorpio on the 13th. The Sun squares Mars on the 14th, and the same day the Sun actually tritons Jupiter as well.
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Then we get our second lunation of the month, which is a full moon in Aries on the 17th, and the same day Venus departs from Scorpio and moves into the sign of Sagittarius.
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The following week, the Sun moves into Scorpio on the 22nd, and at the end of the month, Venus squares Saturn on the 28th, and the Mars-Pluto opposition is building up and is within three degrees at this point by late October, and it will go exact in the early days of November.
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So that is some of the astrology that we're going to be talking about during the course of this episode. But let's start first by talking about news and events.
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Most of the major news stories focused on eclipses in this month since we already had the first eclipse on September 17th, which is the lunar eclipse in the sign of Pisces.
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And as I've really focused on and talked about a lot over the past year on the podcast, eclipses have this most intense range that starts about seven days before the eclipse, about a week before the eclipse, and about a week after.
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That means our most intense eclipse range began around September 10th and lasted until around the 24th, 25th, give or take.
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So, in terms of news stories, the very first news story with that actually happened at the very beginning of that range on September 10th.
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So, the first thing was that the presidential debate took place between Kamala Harris and former President Trump, and this eclipse took place in Harris's 10th House of Career, Reputation, and Social Standing, and she ended up winning the debate just
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I think everybody pretty much agreed whether for her or against her by the end, so that it ended up being a triumph for her, and then the polls went up in her favor afterwards, after that eclipse took place.
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So it was a really striking manifestation of an eclipse in a person's 10th house.
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And so this was in our tent and this was on the North node or Rahu or the dragon's head.
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And something that I see quite commonly with eclipses on the dragon's head is that there will often, sometimes there will be a, so you say a jump to a new level that people didn't think a person was capable of or a surprising or ambitious move.
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And not commenting specifically on the on the debate here, but sometimes you see people get in over their head or they're like people, it looks like like it's taking on a new thing you think of the dragon's mouth and taking a bite out of life, and often it's a new like a new level or.
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sometimes it's biting off more than you can chew, sometimes it's being able to function at a higher level than or under more pressure than you or other people thought you could.
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And I think in the 10th, that's a pretty good example, because I try not to follow the electoral politics too closely for my mental health. But
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It was my understanding that people were surprised by her performance, that they were surprised that she rose to that level and took a bite out of it.
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Yeah, I mean, there's definitely trepidation given how badly the debate went for the Democrats in June with Biden's performance and how much that swung things, and people then realizing that this debate, unlike previous debate seasons where people commonly say that debates don't shift elections,
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since we just had a debate where it did and a candidate dropped out almost as a direct result of thing. There was a lot of nervousness about how this would go.
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Yeah, but she really stepped up to the plate and rose to the occasion in this instance, I think is what a lot of people saw, which is definitely a 10th house eclipse manifestation sometimes of rising to the occasion.
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So some of the things that happened, she ended up baiting him a few times, and he kind of freaked out and started talking about just nonsense about people eating cats and dogs.
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And he did get fact-checked a few times, which is interesting manifestation of the Mercury-Saturn opposition, Mercury opposite Saturn and Neptune by sign, because we had actually talked about that in the last episode and how
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we thought that tension between those two would be Mercury and Virgo as reporters attempting to fact-check things when there's misinformation that's being spread around with Saturn conjunct Neptune and Pisces and the inherent tension between those two.
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So afterwards, he wasn't happy about being
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fact-checked by the moderators, but then Democrats were also not super stoked that he ended up talking longer, that the moderators gave him more time to talk throughout the debate in the end as well, so that nobody was fully happy with the moderation.
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So he was kind of crushed so badly that he's currently dodging another debate, so it's not clear if there's going to be another presidential debate or if that will be the only one.
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But it's interesting, if that is the only one, just that it coincided so closely with that eclipse, and now we're looking towards the next
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vice presidential debate that's about to take place on October 1st, and that's literally the day before the Libra eclipse that's about to take place on October 2nd. So having both of them occur so close to eclipses is notable.
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And we've been saying for months, I think since the year ahead forecast, that we expected these debates to be crucial because we saw that they were going to occur so close to eclipse season. So it's interesting to see that actually play out here.
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Yeah, definitely. And you made an interesting statement that often debates don't seem to shift things with elections, or that is commonly said, but not true this year.
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There seems to be a lot that's normally true that's not true this year with this election.
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Yeah, for sure. Normally in any other election, we're supposed to be having three debates between the presidential candidates.
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So even the loss of that, of seeing these two go head-to-head intellectually on a public stage, isn't happening in that debate that we just had. Maybe the only
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sort of one of that that we get as a result of Trump this cycle, but we'll see what happens since there's been another debate proposed for later in October by the Harris campaign and by CNN.
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So we'll see if Trump changes his mind and does it and relents and does it after the VP debate and just depending on how that goes.
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So in other news, in the middle of the month, it was around the time of the eclipse, there was another second assassination attempt on Trump on September 15th.
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This is just two days before the Pisces eclipse that took place on the 17th, which was in Trump's eighth house. And the main transit that I noted for him is just that transiting Uranus stationed retrograde at 27 Taurus, and it's retrograding back.
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So it's very closely square his Mars still in the first house. And I think that's one of the reasons that things like this
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have been coming up more from an astrological standpoint is just that close configuration between Uranus and his Mars, which was activated most closely over the summer when there was a Mars-Uranus conjunction in Taurus.
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But that outer planet transit is still present and still doing stuff there in his chart right now.
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CB Yeah, absolutely. And it's just worth reiterating that the transiting Uranus, which is squaring his natal Mars, is just sitting on top of his Midheaven. So it's on an extremely active angle in his chart. It's not just a Uranus-Mars square.
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CB Right. Yeah, exactly. So that was major. And then he also announced a cryptocurrency thing, which I thought was interesting, that's supposed to be run by his sons, which is another manifestation of the eclipse in his eighth house.
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And he was having a transit of Venus to his Jupiter at the time, which rules his eighth house and his fifth house of children.
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So with the election, that eclipse was like a final important turning point because Harris has Saturn transiting through a 10th house right now.
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And so that eclipse was going to activate not just our 10th house, but was also going to emphasize that Saturn transit through the 10th. And there was a real question of whether the Saturn transit would be a barrier to
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what she's trying to accomplish right now.
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And the outcome of the debate was really going to be pivotal in terms of telling us how that transit was doing and what sort of obstacle or how much of an obstacle it would have or put in her path at this point.
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But in terms of where it's at, at this point, the two strongest indications that we have. We have two indications in favor of Harris and one indication in favor of Trump.
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The two in favor of Harris are that eclipses are taking place in her angular houses, especially her 10th house, which is that Pisces eclipse that just took place.
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Every presidential candidate over the past 30 or 40 years that's had an eclipse happen in one of their angular houses around the time of the election has won, So in terms of eclipses, it seems like she has it in favor of her.
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And then in terms of the other indication is the zodiac releasing, where her time lord periods, both on level one and level two, are very positive and very eminent for her at this point, which we've talked about on previous episodes.
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Trump has one strong point in favor of him, which is that he's going to start a major Zodiac-releasing Time Lord period, but not until April.
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So it's kind of curious because his chart does become more prominent for some reason early next year, but it's not clear if that's
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you know, him doing something else that brings him into prominence, even if the election doesn't go the way that he wants it.
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But that's sort of the breakdown right now in terms of two of the main things that we've always looked at in terms of elections. There's a number of other stuff like
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you know, transits on Election Day, inauguration charts, and all sorts of other stuff like that. We did go into a bunch of that in an episode of The Secret Astrology Podcast through our page on Patreon.
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So if people want a more detailed breakdown, they can look to that. But otherwise, we'll be looking forward to seeing how the VP debate goes and how some of the other transits play out over the course of the next few weeks. Yeah, fascinating.
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What a what a fun. I was gonna say what an unpredictable set of set of events this this election has held so far.
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And yeah, we managed to get at least we get some of them but and you've gotten you've done a great job but so many twists and turns really, it will be really interesting to see how this plays out.
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Yeah. Well, the big thing that we're going to talk about in the forecast episode is the Mars-Pluto opposition. That's going to be crucial for the election and for everything that happens in between election day and inauguration day.
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And that's a pretty nasty combination. So we have a lot of trepidation about it that we'll get into later in this episode, since that aspect is really going to come into close alignment starting in late October.
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So we'll talk about that more later in the episode. In other news, Israel and Lebanon, there was another major eclipse story where for months now, we'd been anticipating that the next chapter in the ongoing saga of what's happening with Israel
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would take place under this eclipse season because everything started a year ago around the time of the first Libra eclipse in October of 2023.
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Then the next stage was the next set of eclipses in March and April, and that's when Iran and Israel started having open, direct conflict for the first time. with missiles being shot from Iran into Israel.
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And then now what happened is the very day of the Pisces eclipse on September 17th, Israel set off explosives that were hidden in pagers and other devices that injured something around 3,000 people in Lebanon.
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And this seemed to be the opening attack in what's turning into a full war now between Israel and Lebanon, which has heated up since then. And now they're saying that they may be preparing for a ground invasion of Lebanon, which may
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it's almost looking like may coincide around the time of that Libra eclipse that's about to take place in early October.
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So we're seeing the conflict there widening and becoming bigger, and there's a lot of nervousness about this turning into an even bigger regional war than it already was.
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Yeah, it was pretty striking to see that that happening on the day of the eclipse, and then on the next day and the next day.
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One of the things that I thought was sort of interesting was that, so I'd been looking at Iran's chart for a while, thinking about the difficulties in the region and the future.
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And so when that eclipse, leading up to that eclipse, I was curious about how the fact that the eclipse in late Pisces being right on top of Iran's natal Mercury and Mars, if we're using the April 1st, 1979 chart, would manifest.
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And so it's interesting that the event, like the Pager attack, did not occur in Iran, but on Iran's mercury. And this was in that we're looking at communication devices, we're certainly looking at mercury being the vector for the attack.
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So it's interesting to me that the astrology seemed to point towards the connections between Hezbollah and Iran, just in the chart, and that it also suggests that that eclipse playing into Iran's chart plays into
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the escalation of hostilities, which I'm sure all would prefer did not happen, but it seems in large part inevitable at this point.
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Yeah. Well, that was one of the things that really came up earlier this year, especially around the time of the Aries eclipse when there started being that direct and open conflict between Iran and Israel.
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And that'll be something we'll have to look towards the next set of eclipses. This is going to be the final Libra eclipse here in October, but then there will be one last eclipse as part of this series, which will take place early next year in Aries.
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Although with this new conflict with
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Lebanon really accelerating on the Pisces eclipse, it's tricky because since that's the first eclipse in that series, it could be opening up a window of another series of eclipses that's going to follow through in the subsequent ones in that axis of Pisces and Virgo.
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One of the things that I noticed that was notable is that On September 27th, Israel killed the head of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, and that was not too long after the Pisces eclipse.
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I pulled up his chart, and it turns out that he was born just before a Pisces lunar eclipse.
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So it was another instance that we've seen so many of over the past year, especially with this conflict of people that are born under eclipses having sometimes really important turning points in their life happen subsequently under eclipses, like in that instance.
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Yeah. And yeah, it's important to note that that eclipse, it literally foreshadows another two years of eclipses. I don't think we'll be done with the Virgo Pisces eclipses for, I think the last one's occurring almost exactly two years.
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And so the nodes, the head and the tail of the dragon haven't moved into Virgo and Pisces yet, but we get a taste, a quite literal foreshadowing with this eclipse that occurred in mid-September.
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And then for the one that occurs in early October, we'll be in the process of finishing up what we've been doing for the last year and a half. But our next set in the spring will feature an eclipse in Virgo, and then we'll be in that cycle.
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So yeah, some rather dire foreshadowing.
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CB Yeah.
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So we'll be paying close attention to what happens on the Libra eclipse that happens on October 2nd because we've been tracking that all along because we know it's tied in very closely not with just the sequence of events, but also specifically with the birth chart of Israel, which has Libra rising, and with Netanyahu who has a stellium in Libra and was born the day of the solar eclipse in Libra.
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So we'll have to see what happens there in terms of what this final Libra eclipse is all about and how that marks an ending for things, but also a new beginning, which is always our keyword for eclipses, like major endings and major beginnings.
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So we'll see how that plays out over the course of the next couple of weeks. Alright, so moving on to other news.
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Another major eclipse story that happened right on the eclipse was the downfall of Diddy, who's the famous rapper, music producer, and music mogul. He was arrested on September 16th, which was the day before the Pisces eclipse.
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And then after he was arrested, the indictment was unsealed on September 17th, the very day of the eclipse, where he was charged with heading a criminal enterprise that was involved in sex trafficking and forced labor.
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This is just another major example of this theme, this trend that we've seen over the course of the past year of a downfall of prominent people around the time of eclipse season.
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Actually, not even just the past year, the past few years, we've noted this, that some of the symbolism of the eclipse, which used to be directed towards kings and queens in ancient times, and still is in some instances where those still exist.
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But the modern equivalent oftentimes is like the downfall of a prominent person. And one of the things that I thought was interesting that I noticed is that
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I remembered that his houses were raided six months ago, but I looked back and it turns out that his houses were raided by the Department of Homeland Security on March 25th, which was the exact day of the last Libra eclipse.
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like his houses were raided and a bunch of evidence was collected on the last eclipse. And then on the next set of eclipses, he was actually arrested and imprisoned, and they're currently denying him bail.
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So that may be it in terms of him being in jail now for the rest of his life.
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Yeah, and it's very interesting that not only do we have this eclipse timing, but him being arrested on this one, on the Pisces one, is significant because he has the nodes in Virgo and Pisces.
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And so this foreshadowing one, this is the first one, this is the first eclipse on his eclipse axis, right? This is the beginning of the nodal return for him.
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which is a significant year and a half long set of eclipses that everyone gets about every 19 years, every 18.6 years. And so again, the dire foreshadowing
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Yeah, the biggest thing that I noticed, we don't have a time chart for him, but in his chart for that day, the first half of the day, Mars is at 29 degrees of Capricorn.
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It does ingress into Aquarius, so it's possible that it's in Aquarius if he was born in the second half of the day.
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But I just think it's incredibly striking because Pluto has just retrograded back into Capricorn over the past few weeks, and it's going to station there at 29 Capricorn this month.
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And if he was born in the morning, then that means Pluto's stationing exactly on his Mars, which is a pretty rough transit. And it's more important in his chart because his Sun and Mercury are in Scorpio.
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His Sun, Mercury, and Neptune are all in Scorpio, so they're actually ruled by that Mars.
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So being arrested and having your downfall take place or past crimes, especially ones involving sex trafficking and things like that, seems like a really fitting Pluto transit to one's Mars, and it's striking how closely that lined up.
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Yeah, absolutely. That was the first thing I went to as well. It's worth noting there that with Pluto going over the Mars, when Pluto goes over a planet in the natal chart, you kind of have one of two very different but related effects.
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One is to hide things or to secret them away where something becomes invisible. And then the other, which we're seeing here, is the disgorging of what was hidden before. It's sort of like the underworld vomiting out its contents.
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All of these awful secret things are coming to the surface. Right, from the underworld, so to speak. Yeah, you get the opening of the hell mouth and they're like, oh God, all of that happened. All of what was hidden becomes visible.
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Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see what happens this month when Pluto stations and Capricorn right on top of that Mars and just when the full reality of what's happened sort of sets in for him over the course of the next few weeks.
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So there was also another major downfall of a prominent person where the mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, was also indicted around the time of the eclipse, and that was another example of a famous person experiencing a downfall around that time.
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So we'll have to pay attention and see what happens with other things, other people, when this next eclipse takes place over the course of the next week or two.
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Moving on, one other eclipse story was footage from the Ocean Gate Titan submarine wreck was released for the first time. They actually sent an automated submarine down to the bottom of the ocean and they found the wreck.
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Pictures were actually released on September 17th, which was the day of the Pisces eclipse. I thought that was really striking because it kind of confirmed what we had said at the
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that this Pisces eclipse was going to do in some instances, which is that it was going to accentuate but also bring light to the Saturn transit in Pisces that's been happening over the course of the past year and a half.
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And of course, that submarine disaster was one of the major things that happened the first time that Saturn stationed retrograde in Pisces about a year ago, and that was the major event that everyone was talking about that week.
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So it's interesting to see it come up again in the news and to actually see the wreckage for the first time on the Pisces eclipse.
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Yeah, absolutely. It was very striking. And there was, I stumbled across another similar revelation about a wreck. Researchers found the wreck of the SS Erebus,
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um, which was sunk, I believe in 1826, uh, with 1826 with all souls lost and their, their bones were recovered from it. And a lot of the, it was a severe similar, the nature of the tragedy was understood better.
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And it was so, um, perfect symbolically that you have. you know, Saturn and Neptune in Pisces with this lunar eclipse. And so with Saturn, Neptune, Pisces, we have the oceanic symbolism, but Saturn down at the bottom, tragedy,
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tragedy, death, also history in this case. And the Erebus, of course, Erebus is named for the god of primordial darkness, the darkest region of Hades in the ancient Greek cosmology. And so we have that quality.
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Not only is the bottom of the ocean normally dark, but we have this nodal symbolism, this eclipse symbolism, where things are darker even than normal. And so I thought that was a very appropriate sort of paired undersea discovery.
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Yeah, that's incredible. So yeah, that continues just our theme, and it'll be interesting to see then how that picks up as we move deeper into this Pisces eclipse series next year, which may continue to emphasize that even more.
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So in other Pisces eclipse-related news, not too long after the Pisces eclipse, Hurricane Helene hit a bunch of states. in the United States.
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And for some places, it was the biggest storm in a century where, for example, there was over 400 roads that were closed in Western North Carolina, for example. There were some cities like Asheville that are just completely underwater at this point.
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And it's tricky because it's hit a bunch of rural areas and small towns. So I think the full extent and scope of the devastation from that isn't even fully known yet, and we're still finding out more and more.
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Yeah. It's a brutally literal iteration of an eclipse with a malefic in a water sign, all this damage being done through airborne water. When I was looking through global news, I noticed that there were actually
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Oh, like, uh, there, there were a slew of, uh, water-based tragedies this month. There were floods with significant death tolls in Europe, in Nigeria, in India.
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Um, there were a number of, uh, um, tragic deaths of people trying to cross the English channel.
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And there's also very, there's a very serious typhoon, uh, in East Asia that claimed a lot of lives, like Ray all right around this, um, this Pisces eclipse zone.
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Yeah. So it's crazy how literal that can be sometimes.
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As we saw earlier this year, for example, when there was the Mars-Saturn conjunction and there was that bridge collapse, for example, that occurred, as well as some other flooding and water-related disasters around that time as well.
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Sometimes the astrology can just be surprisingly literal. Yeah, shockingly. Yeah. All right.
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Moving on, another major news story that occurred that was more like in celebrity news was that–and I thought it was notable because we had just talked about him on the previous forecast–but Kendrick Lamar was announced to be the performer, the headliner at the next Super Bowl, which is going to take place early next year.
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So this was announced on September 8th, and I thought this was notable because it was right after Mars went into cancer on September 4th,
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which is right into Kendrick's 10th house, which we talked about earlier this year when he was famously in that rap battle with Drake, and Kendrick has his Mercury and Mars conjunction in the 10th house in the sign of Cancer.
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So we had used him as an example of that in our previous episode when we were talking about Mars and cancer.
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And what was interesting to me astrologically is that once he was announced to be the headliner, there was a bit of a controversy that broke out about whether
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because the Super Bowl is going to take place in New Orleans, whether a local New Orleans rapper should have gotten it to headline since it would be their hometown, and especially that Lil Wayne was a prominent rapper who's very well known as being from New Orleans, and a lot of people were saying that he should have gotten it.
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And I thought that was so interesting because it was a very Mars and Cancer type of dispute in terms of having a dispute about hometowns and who's from where and who has the right to represent different places and different things like that.
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And it's so Mars in Cancer, right? It's Mars in the domain of the Moon. Cancer is about origins. It's where are you from? Who raised you? What does home mean? And representing and being connected to origins, right? And it's
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Mars and Cancer brings up what is almost always a line not to cross, which is leave my family out of it, don't say that about my mom.
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like very often, even in otherwise brutal contests, the moon and cancer, all of those significations are off limits.
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But with Mars in that place, it stirs that stuff up, which can be hometown pride, as well as some more aggressive things that come out of that. And so it's interesting to see somebody who has that just sort of accidentally stir that up.
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I've been trying to... you know, study once again, study Mars and cancer in preparation for the fact that we're going to do a lot of Mars and cancer this year. Um, and having, having an infant has actually been really helpful for thinking about that.
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Cause again, with cancer and with the moon, we're talking about that, like most, um, primordial, um, basic fundamental, like substrate of feeling and of need. Um, and the, um, and the sort of, um, pre verbal,
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the pre-verbal fight or flight need for survival, because you see that getting triggered when Mars is in cancer and somebody threatening your home, your family, et cetera, et cetera, does that.
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And so you get some of the overreactions that Mars in cancer is famous for, but also just seeing a baby. It's not like they say, hey, you know what? I could maybe go for a snack. Right?
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Like there's a ferocity to the hunger of an infant because they don't know that the food is coming until like the food arrives and it's a matter of survival. Right?
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And we're all, we all, most of us are not operating on the five or six month old level, but that's, we're layered on top of that. Like that's still there at the bottom.
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Right. Yeah. I mean, also over the past month, Mars and Cancer brought out this weird string of racism and especially nativism.
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And all these attempts to scapegoat immigrants and stuff like that was a real dark side of that that seemed to become particularly prominent this month. And that was part of what was surrounding all of the
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memes about the false claims about immigrants eating pets and different things like that as sort of the darker side of what you're talking about there.
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Yeah. No, I mean, that's very on topic. But yeah, the ferocious nativism
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Right. Let's see, one last thing with this. We've noted how earlier this year, Kendrick was engaging in the battle with Drake, but he put a red line down and he basically said, family is off limits.
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And it was when Drake crossed that line that Kendrick really brought out the big guns and brought out the killing blow basically. And I thought that was so interesting because there was another
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example that was sent in by a listener as I was preparing for the third house this month, where the famous soccer player Zidane, back in 2006 in the final game of his soccer career, it's at the biggest game of the year, it's at the World Cup, and the teams are tied one to one and they're in overtime, basically.
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And then what happens is this other player walks by Zidane and Zidane has a Mercury-Mars conjunction in Cancer in the third house of siblings. This other player walks by Zidane at this point, and then he says something.
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It's not fully documented, but he basically insults Zidane's sister in some way. Then Zidane turns around, and he just brutally headbutts this guy with his full body in the chest and knocks him down to the ground.
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And then he gets a red card, gets thrown out of the game for his final game of his career, and his team ends up losing. But I thought it was so interesting as another example of what we're talking about in terms of Mars or Mercury-Mars and cancer.
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And for him, it was his family and specifically having his sister insulted.
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That's a perfect example. Another example or another piece of why that's a perfect example that you see with Mars in its fall or planets in their fall is that they tend to not obey the rules. That's the equivalent of a low blow.
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Insulting someone's family is against the rules. That's a low blow. And then striking the other player illegally. Or, you know, legally according to the rules of the game. Like, taking the moral low road is often a part of Mars in its fall.
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Right, which isn't always ultimately morally morally wrong, but like, you know, it's not taking the high road right where you're like, well, I'm I'm not going to be dragged down to that level, right?
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You're like, well, you know, fuck it, I will wrestle with you. I will headbutt you in the mud. Right. And that's that's the energy of like the you know, like that's the reason it's part of the reason we have that vertical
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Metaphor with a planet's exaltation and fall is like I'm going to try to rise above or like fuck it I'll get down there with you right and I'll show you
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Yeah.
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Well, and that in Cancer, it's ruled by the Moon and just doing your initial action based on the emotional impulse of how that hits you versus Mars and Capricorn having some restraint and strategy and planning surrounding how one reacts to something, especially with acts of aggression.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Operating from that. So Caitlin Coppock in the chat points out, very good point, that the big song that amped up the intensity of the rap battle earlier this year was titled Family Matters.
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So just tying in those themes once again in terms of the Mars and Cancer stuff. So we'll have to pay attention to and see how that works out over the course of the next several months because we have a lot of Mars and Cancer ahead of us.
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So I'm sure we'll be talking about this more. Alright, so moving on to other news. This just happened a few days ago, but on September 25th, we got poped. The Pope put out an attack on astrology on September 25th. Let me share the actual tweet.
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It was just like this. It's a bizarre tweet that came out of nowhere.
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It was actually the day of the Mercury-Neptune opposition in Virgo and Pisces, but Pope Francis said, our secularized world is teeming with magicians, occultism, spiritism, astrologers, and satanic sects.
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If we kick the devil out the door, he tries to return to the window. If we overcome him with faith, he seeks to return through superstition. So obviously, this didn't go over super well on Astro Twitter with all the astrologers.
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One of my favorite responses was actually Ali Alumi, who pointed out that the previous popes had used electional astrology in order to find like major parts of the church in Rome and create major buildings there.
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My response that I thought of immediately upon hearing this is just, the very first book of the Christian Bible, of the New Testament, opens with a story about how God supposedly sent an astrological omen to announce the birth of Jesus
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and then that a group of astrologers actually followed that in order to find him and became some of the first to pay tribute to Jesus in that story and in that narrative.
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So yeah, there's a lot of different responses that one could have, but for me, it was also a little bit just
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eerie and made me a little nervous as potential confirmation of something I've been nervous about for a while now, which is if astrologers would receive more pushback as the Saturn-Neptune conjunction gets closer to going exact.
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And I feel like we've seen little hints of that, little instances, and now we have the Pope himself kind of taking a shot at astrology.
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Yeah, it seems precisely on schedule to me, because it's not only Saturn coming for Neptune, and we know that Neptune in Pisces, which has been the last 13 years-ish, has had astrology and
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and magic and related things sort of bloom, become more popular and more people have been interested in them and engage with them.
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Then, I don't know, maybe anytime in the last century, the 60s would have been the last time there was a meaningful intersection between sort of mainstream culture and astrology. And this one might outstrip that, but it at least rivals it.
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And so I and you and probably a lot of other astrologers have been wondering about what comes after Neptune and Pisces, because it's very obviously been correlated to that.
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And of course, we have Saturn escorting Neptune out of Pisces, which should theoretically and now in practice is giving us a more firmer boundary between this sort of high point and what comes next, which I don't expect to be bound to a stake and burned alive.
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But this sort of condemnation makes a lot of sense, especially with the eclipse just a week before this statement by the Pope, like the North Node eclipse just amplifying that Saturn-Neptune energy. So we get some of that.
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I would also add that in addition to Christian stories having divinely sent heavenly omens. There's also just all of Thomas Aquinas, there's already like Catholicism is already bought through the relationship to astrology.
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And the result was not that it's Satan. Like St. Thomas Aquinas deals with astrology extensively and basically comes to the conclusion that one, it's real and can be useful and is licit.
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As far as mundane astrology goes, you're allowed to look at the weather and look at the direction of kingdoms. His particular quarrel that became the central problem or conflict point
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between Catholicism and astrology was that if there were claims of total predestination made that you are just going to live according to your birth chart and there's no wiggle room or choices, then that wrecked the central drama of salvation, where there's no such thing as salvation if there are no choices to make.
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If it means there are no moral choices, it means the whole thing is pointless. And so that excessive predestination around natal astrology was the core of the problem, not that astrology came from the devil and was a fake trick from the Satan.
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Yeah.
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The most important thing is there's just nothing that inherently means… There's been many famous Christian astrologers in history, and there's been many famous Christians that have incorporated or used astrology in some way, and there's no inherent reason that
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Christianity has to be against astrology. People make those choices, and there's different arguments you could make for or against.
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But fundamentally, I think it'd be helpful for astrologers who are Christians to make the case for how astrology can still play a role in your life that is still in agreement in terms of the theological precepts of Christianity.
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not only have people done that in the past, but people will continue to do that in the future.
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It's too bad the Pope has taken that position there, but yeah, we'll see how some of those discussions go in the future and how this continues to evolve in terms of our community. Yeah. All right.
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So in more positive news, there's some sort of feeling I need to hashtag for it when there's a birth time that you really want to get and then you finally get it and just the state of euphoria when you finally get to look at the chart.
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So we finally got Sean Evans' birth time from Hot Ones. where SZA went on the Hot Ones recently in the episode that was just released in the past week. And she asked Sean what his rising sign was and what his placements were.
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And he said he didn't know, but he knew he was born at 940 in the morning, I believe is what he said. So he actually gave out his birth time. And his chart is amazing, and it fits what he does just absolutely perfectly. So here's the birth chart. And
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The first thing that I noticed is that he has Cancer rising. Aries is on the 10th whole sign house along with the degree of the Midheaven, along with Mercury being in Aries in the 10th house.
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And then the ruler of the 10th house is Mars, which is exalted in Capricorn in the 7th whole sign house, the place of one-on-one relationships, and it's a date chart.
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And I just think that's so hilariously literal because it means the planet that represents his career in the chart is placed in the part of the chart that represents one-on-one interactions with other people, and that the planet is Mars in a day chart, which is a planet that
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is fiery and hot and burns things and is irritating. He's literally burning the people that he's interviewing on a daily basis during the course of this interview, which is just such a perfect manifestation.
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I couldn't imagine it being any better symbolically. It's so good.
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And in addition to that, we have the Moon-Saturn conjunction in Sagittarius in the sixth house. So the Moon is the ruler of his risings, the Moon is Sean, and then Saturn is the ruler of the seventh.
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So Saturn is whoever Sean is talking to in a one-on-one way, and you have those directly right next to each other. So you have this really close one-on-one suggested, and it's in a fire sign, right?
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So it's in a fiery place in the sixth, which means that it's a, it's a, it's a fiery place, which threatens health and wellbeing. So you have this meeting in a fiery, fiery place that may not be good for your health, like between self and other.
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Yeah. And what's crazy is come on. What's crazy is I looked up the first episode of Hot Ones, and Saturn was right there in early Sagittarius.
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So him starting this show was actually part of his Saturn return, which I thought was interesting because it's in the sixth house of work, and he's working for Complex Magazine when they set up this show and started it, which is a very sixth house thing.
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But also, it made me immediately think of also just the fact that
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some of the health implications of that with Saturn going through the sixth house, which also represents one's health and just if there's been any complications with that in terms of eating such extremely spicy things on a weekly or almost near daily basis for a period of time.
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And if that gives you like an ulcer or something like that was something I sort of thought about in terms of that being activated there. Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. Yeah.
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The last thing that I will note is, of course, as I've talked about, when I put out that call for asking people to ask him his birth time in the August forecast, I noted famously that he was born just after a lunar eclipse in Scorpio, which is conjunct Pluto.
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that he was born the day of the Chernobyl explosion, which is so incredible symbolically that he was born the day of a nuclear meltdown.
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And then he grows up and hosts an interview show where he's just constantly eating super spicy, painfully hot hot wings with nuclear imagery on the side of them.
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But what was further interesting is that when I looked up the first episode of Hot Ones, it turns out that he started the first episode just after or around the time of Eclipse. There was a Pisces Eclipse around the time of that first episode.
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So he continues to be, he's another Eclipse story basically. If somebody born on an Eclipse and then he starts the show that he would become famous for at the time of an Eclipse. Yeah. Yeah. It's so good.
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And I forgot to mention, like, that's what's funny about that combination is that, um,
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you have Cancer rising as well in a day chart, but your Mars is in the 9th house, and you're giving spicy predictions on a monthly basis and sometimes subjecting people to dark metaphors or Mars-y metaphors.
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Whereas Sean is literally burning people with hot sauce on a daily basis with Mars in his 7th house, and that's his job.
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No, it's true. Yeah, it's more of a spicy or like a prognostic meat grinder for me in the ninth.
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Right. Yeah, I love it. So shout out to SZA because that was amazing. She really helped us out there. And it's amazing having people that can go on a show like that and just ask the host directly. My jaw literally dropped.
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So thanks to everybody who sent that in. I had seen it on my subscriptions because I subscribed to the show as a fan, but I hadn't watched it yet. And then everyone blew up my phone saying I had to check it out.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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Yeah. All right. Um, that is actually the end of the news section I don't have anything else to mention so shall we wrap up this section take a little break and then transition into the forecast. CB. Absolutely. CB. All right.
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I want to give a shout out to our sponsor for this episode, which is the Northwest Astrological Conference, which is taking place next year in person near Seattle, May 22nd through the 26th, 2025.
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There's also going to be a daily virtual Q&A with Norwex speakers, an in-person live stream hosted by Nicholas Pullamanakis, as well as virtual parties.
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the people that are attending in person, Lisa Scheim is actually giving a pre-conference workshop, a full-day pre-conference workshop before the full conference begins, right before it opens, which is going to be amazing.
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There's going to be also workshops and other lectures given by many people who have been on the podcast in the past, many names that you might recognize, like Demetra George, our boy Patrick Watson, Gemini Brett,
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So definitely check it out and check out the website for more information. So you can see the full layout of how many people are speaking and how many lectures are happening.
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I think there's like five or six lectures happening simultaneously, something like four or five times a day over the course of that week. So it's quite an experience.
00:55:43 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's a buffet. And I mean, we've both been to probably at least a dozen Norwex each.
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Yeah, at least. Norwalk was my first conference and is still my favorite conference because some conferences get gigantic and sprawling, but Norwalk is always in the same hotel and it's this hotel with this very centralized layout.
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So it's fun to bump into people and to have more of a community feel. Yeah, absolutely.
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I have nostalgic feelings about that hotel. Yeah. Yeah.
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I remember many conference nights of staying up late into the night where it's just like me, you, or like Kelly are the last persons that are still up.
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And that's actually how we started doing the forecast episodes was Kelly and I like stayed up at a conference at a Norwac and then like had so much fun that we came back and decided to start doing forecast episodes.
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So, you know, Norwac is tied into the very history of the podcast and the very DNA of the podcast.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, so I appreciate that they're trying to integrate the online component more, especially for those of us that can't attend in person.
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So it's a great thing to take advantage of, and they continue to integrate more interactive components for people that aren't there in person. So it should be really good.
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Find out more information at norwac.net, and I'll put a link to it in the description below this video on YouTube or on the podcast website in-entry for this episode.
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All right, my friend, let's transition into talking about the astrological forecast for October, and let's just jump right into it. This is going to be quite the month because even though we're in the midst of it and we've been in eclipse season,
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It's like the first shoe dropped on the first part of eclipse season, but now the second shoe is about to drop right at the beginning of October with this next solar eclipse happening in the sign of Libra on October 2nd.
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I have to say, in terms of configurations to the eclipse, it's not the prettiest looking eclipse because as soon as the eclipse happens,
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Sun, Moon, and Mercury all apply to a square with Mars and Cancer very shortly after that, so that the square with Mars is the primary signature of that eclipse, which in terms of world events does not sound great given that Mars is the planet of war and violence and aggression and anger and different things like that.
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CB Yeah, it's really rough. The eclipse is rough and it It starts off the month on a tone that is unfortunately quite appropriate for most of the events of the month.
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We not only have the eclipse being square to that Mars, but we have the growing Mars-Pluto opposition all month. Let's see, so how do we want to take apart this eclipse?
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I mean, one of the things I want to emphasize is just Eclipses are sometimes a series of events, and they represent a series of events over the course of around a year and a half long period.
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And especially with this one, it's been a pretty clear year of eclipses in Libra, where we had the first one in October of last year, just one year ago now. Then we had the next set, which is a lunar eclipse in Libra at the end of March.
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And then now we have the third and final installment,
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And it's not the best example because it's so dark, but for example, how Sean Combs, how Puffy, how Diddy had his house raided on the Libra eclipse that occurred six months ago and then actually went down and was arrested and probably imprisoned for life now under the next set of eclipses.
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That was just a good illustration about how eclipses are like a process sometimes rather than a singular thing that happens.
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And so the fact that this is the later part of a sequence means that for many people, the story of these eclipses should already be clear and that you're coming to a culmination of events of both ending some things in your life in that sector of your chart that it falls, but also planting the seeds for some new beginnings in that area at the same time.
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So I saw somebody who said that they broke up with somebody, they ended a long-term relationship recently on the Pisces eclipse.
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But sometimes when that happens, that relationship has to end, but then the person will later start a new relationship, which wouldn't have occurred if that previous one hadn't been let go of.
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So I think that's what we have to think about as the primary thing to keep in mind for this eclipse.
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Yeah, this is the last eclipse in Libra for a very long time, for about a decade.
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So on that note, and addressing that from a different angle, we have roughly a year and a half that the nodes will be transiting a pair of houses in the chart, or a pair of signs.
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And it is the nodes not existing, but being this very special point of intersection between the Sun, Moon, Earth system.
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In Vedic astrology, they're called shadow planets, because they don't have bodies, but the bodies that they have are made of shadow. So you can't see them unless they're right in front of the Sun and the Moon.
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And so the nodes naturally being invisible, right? Invisibility is their normal state, represent processes and series of events that are usually below the threshold of visibility.
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Like there are processes running in the background that this could be psychologically, this can be subconscious changes. In the external world, this can be things happening behind the scenes.
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But then they have these moments, the eclipses, every six months on average, you'll have three sets of eclipses for every time the nodes go through a pair of signs where the invisible becomes visible and all the stuff that had been brewing comes to the surface.
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It's like a season of television where it's silent, like every episode is completely silent and dark except for the season premiere, the mid-season finale, and then the season finale.
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And it's just like, you can barely see what's happening between those episodes.
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Yeah, that's a perfect analogy. know, hearkening back to the earlier story with Sean Evans doing the first interview with Hot Ones on an eclipse.
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Sure, they didn't know that that was going to become this wildly successful thing over the course of the next few years.
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In the same way, eclipses sometimes you'll start a new beginning, which just seems really humble at the time and that you oftentimes won't recognize as being hugely significant until you look back on it in retrospect and realize that you started something
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that would come to play a major role in defining your life from that point forwards. So that's where the hidden or the shadowy eclipse symbolism comes in as well, is sometimes the change in your life is not even fully perceptible or recognized.
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Yeah. And the contrast between traumatic visibility, like a full Moon, and then sudden invisibility, oh my God, it's the full Moon, where'd the Moon go?
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Um, like the, um, the contrast from like the something out of nothing and then the something into nothing.
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And so with the sun thing and another thing is, oh, it's something bright like the sun or a full moon that gets sort of stained and then disappears.
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And that's very core or the sun in the middle of the day, where you have a person in the past, a royal or imperial figure. And these days we have people who have a similar amount of attention as well as what kings and queens remain.
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Suddenly, their star is shadowed and falls from the sky like Diddy. But you have that rise and fall from power or somebody coming out of nowhere. The dragon, which has been slumbering for hundreds of years, emerges from the cave.
01:04:44 Speaker_01
You're like, shit, I didn't know that cave had a dragon. This changes things. Yeah.
01:04:49 Speaker_00
Unfortunately, I think with this one, it's going to be a fire-breathing dragon, not the calm kind. Here's the chart for those watching the video version. So this eclipse takes place at about 9-10 degrees of Libra, and
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Mercury at the time has just separated from the Kazemi with the Sun a couple days earlier, and then Mars is at 15 degrees of Cancer.
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So all three of those planets, once completing these conjunctions with each other earlier in Libra, just apply to that square with Mars, with Mars in the superior position. So there's just some element of the major beginning at this time
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that's created and the foundation that's created that's not entirely smooth where the new beginning or the new ending that has to take place happens abruptly, things happen quickly, but also things happen in a jarring way that can be really unsettling and really, in some instances, actually painful or difficult to deal with because there's an element of tension and conflict underlying it.
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that's motivating the change or perhaps resulting from it in some way?
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ACKERMAN Yeah. Yeah, the jarring nature of eclipses, again, it's part of the nature of that something from nothing or something back into nothing is that it's very quick, and it's quicker than usually we can adapt to or that we had planned for.
01:06:31 Speaker_01
And so there's usually, there's very often an element of shock, even if it's a good thing. And I don't think this eclipse is particularly promising for good things, which isn't to say that it won't happen to anybody.
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But even when it's a positive thing, there's often a little bit of shock or disorientation.
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Right.
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Yeah, and especially earlier in the month, one of the signatures is verbal altercations, verbal combativeness, foul language, and just getting into arguments and things like that because of that applying square between Mercury and Mars, which eventually goes exact around October 5th and October 6th.
01:07:20 Speaker_00
where Mercury squares Mars at 17 degrees of cancer. Those are fighting words, I think, is our usual keyword for that.
01:07:34 Speaker_00
When Mercury represents the planet of communication and speech and messages, and Mars is traditionally the planet of war and conflict,
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So I would pay attention for verbal conflicts around that time, because sometimes you can get in a verbal conflict with somebody where it seems like it's just something that won't be a big deal, and you'll say what you feel like saying in the moment or in the heat of the moment, and it'll blow over later.
01:08:03 Speaker_00
But then it when something like that happens during eclipse season, sometimes it can set the foundation for a much longer-term conflict than you might intend or anticipate.
01:08:15 Speaker_00
I think that's even more so the case, because at the same time, by October 4th and October 5th, Mars enters into 17 degrees of Cancer, which is the degree that it will later retrograde back to early next year as a result of the retrograde.
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So as soon as Mars enters into this zone, it's entered its pre-retrograde shadow period, which means you're going to get three transits of that Mars if you have any personal planets, especially around 17 degrees of the cardinal signs.
01:08:51 Speaker_01
Yeah. This eclipse and then the week following basically, both the Mercury and then the Sun square to that Mars, just as and then just after it enters that shadow zone, is really setting themes that we're going to see well into next year.
01:09:13 Speaker_01
Um, and so, you know, just thinking, and so, yeah, it's kind of thinking about what this looks like and what we would, you know, like some of the, the shapes of this, right.
01:09:24 Speaker_01
We've got that Mars in cancer, which we were talking about earlier, which is that sort of line crossing coming for the family. We're feeling threatened at that level. Um, and then the, um, like the home, like the home and family, whatever is like vital
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and precious and that you care most about being threatened and then freaking out or having a freak out reaction to, that's very Mars in Cancer.
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And so we see these planets in Libra where planets in Libra, while planets in Libra, the Libra business is to try to keep things
01:10:03 Speaker_01
Try to keep the boat from rocking too much to try to at least maintain equilibrium, even if it's while driving over rough ground, like to try to keep some balance, right? Or at least to try to move things back towards balance.
01:10:19 Speaker_01
And that is so, or, you know, in a literal, try to keep the peace, right? It's Libra. To try to keep things fair, fair balance and harmonious and diplomatic. And an eclipse there by itself certainly sends the scales wobbling.
01:10:36 Speaker_01
And then the fact that that happens in an inferior square to Mars, with Mars in the stronger position looking down on that, and in such a reactive place, really speaks to a profound challenge to peace, balance, equilibrium at personal and collective levels.
01:10:57 Speaker_00
Did I tell you last month by the anecdote that Lisa and I found in the second house episode where Arnold Palmer, who the Arnold Palmer drink is named after, which is sometimes called half and half because it's like half iced tea and half lemonade, that he has the ruler of the Ascendant in the second house in Libra, and Libra being the sign of the scales, but also the sides of the house.
01:11:21 Speaker_00
half and half, like two sides of anything. I thought that was hilarious. It's such a blow-off piece of symbolism, but it's so funny how literal, again, the astrology can be sometimes.
01:11:31 Speaker_01
Yeah, not having to choose between two delightful drinks, but bringing them into perfect harmony with one another.
01:11:39 Speaker_00
Exactly. And Harris was actually talking about that. She was interviewed on a podcast earlier this year.
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She was asked if she liked astrology or if she hated astrology, which is actually funny because the host didn't like astrology and had gone viral for a clip before that.
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But Harris said she vibed with astrology because her and Doug are both Libras and that they will sometimes sit down to watch television and have to choose between what show to watch and then just end up going to different shows forever and not being able to decide on one thing.
01:12:13 Speaker_01
As someone married to a Libra, I have no comment. Okay. You can't confirm nor deny that statement. That is the balance I need to strike here.
01:12:22 Speaker_00
Yeah. It's funny because I've seen people complaining about world leaders that have heavy Libra placements and saying similar things about them, that they're indecisive and that their indecisiveness is causing problems in some ways.
01:12:39 Speaker_00
I think that's interesting here, but sometimes that indecisiveness can bring conflict. I wanted to show the honeycomb graphic that Madeline made for Mars just to show you what happens here.
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The shadow degree gets activated at 17 degrees of Cancer on October 4th, And then on February 23rd, Mars comes back to and stations at that degree.
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So just imagine it's like you have this initial feeling of some sort of fiery or spicy event in your life that occurs during this first pass of Mars, which is relatively quick, and you sort of think it's over.
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But then Mars comes back months and months later and connects these two separate times in your life together by activating the same placement in your chart, especially if you have something around 17°.
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But the second time in February, it's much more important, and it lasts for a much longer period of time.
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That's just something we're looking forward to here as part of this retrograde, is these extended and drawn-out experiences of tension, of spiciness, of sometimes conflict.
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Other times, though, it may just be a huge expenditure of energy and focus and drive that you end up having to put in more work over a much longer period of time than you think that you will at first.
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but for some people that will still be a productive and important turning point, even if it can be a bit exhausting.
01:14:23 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah. Sometimes the Mars retrogrades the extended presence of Mars in a pretty limited number of degrees. In this case, it's Mars in the same 23 degrees for six, seven months.
01:14:38 Speaker_01
It's a very long project with twists and turns that requires layers of effort, which is, yeah. And it's worth noting, um, once again, that people who, uh, were born with Mars retrograde tend to do a lot better, um, during these periods of time.
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It, they don't want to flick, uh, they're, they're not the same pain in the ass for everyone.
01:15:01 Speaker_01
I know several people with Mars retrograde who actually finally get a big project done that had been lagging, uh, for the previous year and a half, uh, during Mars retrogrades.
01:15:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, I think I mentioned this on a previous forecast.
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We were doing a study of major podcasters that we had birth times for, and I found we had Alex Cooper's birth time who hosts the Call Her Daddy podcast, which is the second biggest podcast on Spotify at one point in time.
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Recently, Nick found that Joe Rogan had a really prominent Mars, and that every time Mars went retrograde, he would have just a major career-defining turning point, like starting his podcast and other things like that.
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So there's definitely people, if you have a prominent, especially well-placed Mars, where it'll just be an important turning point for you and a pivot point in your life story. But sometimes there can still be tensions that come along with that.
01:15:57 Speaker_00
So there's some positive things, though, this month that I do want to point. At different points, even under the tense transits this month, the benefics are coming in and trying to balance things out.
01:16:08 Speaker_00
And there's some attempt to smooth things over or to soothe the burn that takes place, both from Venus as well as from Jupiter. So early in the month, when some of the Mercury-Mars stuff is taking place, for example, here's October 5th.
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One of the things that happens is Venus is moving through Scorpio, the middle degrees of Scorpio, early in the month, and it makes a trine with Saturn on October 5th.
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October 4th and October 5th, which is pretty helpful in terms of as far as aspects go. And then after that, just a few days later, it swoops in and forms a trine with Mars with reception.
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And this is not too long after Mercury has just formed that square with Mars. So there's these occasional instances where
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you do get the fiery combativeness of certain aspects like Mercury square Mars, but then immediately afterwards, there's a counterbalancing transit that's attempting to smooth things over or attempting to hold Mars back a little bit and maybe apply some ointment to the burn so that it's not as bad as it could be or it doesn't smolder as long as it could.
01:17:26 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's better than nothing. Um, it's, it's nice to have that help. I think it's still going to be pretty chafey. Lack of a better term. They will be difficult to, um, main, uh, maintain, uh, that Libran balance.
01:17:43 Speaker_01
Um, but a little, little ointment is better than no ointment at all.
01:17:47 Speaker_00
Yeah, because we get that aspect of Venus to Mars. But then also one of our other major aspects this month is that Jupiter slows down in stations for the first time in the sign of Gemini. And weirdly, that happens around October 8th and October 9th.
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Mercury comes in as the ruler of Jupiter and trines Jupiter from 21 degrees of Libra on the same day.
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So that's another one of those aspects where just a few days earlier, we get this really tense and combative Mercury-Mars square, but then a few days after that, there's a really positive and optimistic Mercury-Jupiter trine that's taking place with reception and that's helping to accentuate an already prominent Jupiter that has an exclamation mark next to it since it's stationing there at 21 degrees of Gemini.
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So for some people, I think that's going to be really helpful.
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For example, if you have a personal planet around 21 degrees of the mutable signs, Jupiter's going to be sitting there in that degree for a little bit and helping to give it a bit of a boost.
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So especially whatever the Gemini house is in your chart is experiencing a little bit of positive expansion this month, especially those later degrees of the early third decant.
01:19:04 Speaker_01
Yeah. And so I think that's a really important dynamic that both Mercury and then the Sun do this harsh square with Mars. And then afterwards encounter a restorative trying with Jupiter.
01:19:23 Speaker_01
Jupiter has a reputation for giving the good or like cash and prizes, et cetera, et cetera. just as important is that Jupiter has a remedial or restorative function, right?
01:19:36 Speaker_01
Like after a difficult thing has happened, then having literally the best aspect to Jupiter, which is a trine, go direct is nice. And it's, how should I say, it's
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Um, it's nice because we're going to do another hard lunation halfway through the month that is more, that is more rough things, rough, fiery, um, uh, high, yeah. Uh, near lethal capsaicin level, um, full moon in Aries.
01:20:11 Speaker_01
Um, and so we get this little Jupiter trine, uh, this little, but irreplaceable Jupiter trine in between. the kind of brutal eclipse and then the excessively spicy full moon. And again, I would like a lot more for restoration.
01:20:27 Speaker_01
This doesn't make this an easy cool or even sort of mixed bag month. It's a hard month, but at least we get a little help in between these lunations.
01:20:42 Speaker_00
Yeah. You can always see the natal example, especially in natal charts, those times when a person has really negative transit, but then a positive one at the same time. It always ends up saving them sometimes in the most extreme scenarios.
01:20:56 Speaker_00
Like in the third house episode that Lisa and I just recorded this past week, I always love to use the example of George Lucas, who had this really terrible Mars transit that was happening in his third house.
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He got in this terrible car accident where his car was just absolutely totaled, and it was hit so hard by another car that it flew in the air and spun and then smashed into a tree and crumpled like a can.
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But the only reason he survived is that he was thrown from the car just before it smashed into the tree, and he was having both simultaneously really negative Mars transits but also really positive Venus and Jupiter transits at the exact same time.
01:21:36 Speaker_00
So it's like you get the
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really terrible negative event that's life-changing, but then you also get the really miraculous positive thing that saves you out of nowhere at the same time, as opposed to the alternative scenario of if you just have negative things, then sometimes it can be the worst-case scenario happening without any silver lining.
01:21:58 Speaker_00
CB So that's really what's happening, especially there. I'm glad you mentioned the Sun-Jupiter trine because that's one of the other most tense aspects this month that's building up.
01:22:12 Speaker_00
Most of the month, the first part of the month, is the Sun applying to the square with Mars, and that eventually completes right here around October 13th and October 14th.
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But by the time it gets to 21 degrees of Libra and squares Mars at 21 Cancer, the Sun also basically simultaneously trines Jupiter at 21 degrees of Gemini. So you're literally getting
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one of the worst transits you can possibly get from Mars to the Sun, and then you're getting one of the most positive transits you can get from Jupiter to the Sun at the same time.
01:22:46 Speaker_00
So we're going to see people experiencing around that time some extremes of positive and negative, and either sometimes there's this scenario of the bad thing that happens, but the good thing that helps to balance it out.
01:23:01 Speaker_00
Other times, it's just two things that happen in parallel, where you get one really good thing that happens one day, but also one really challenging thing that happens at the same time, so that they're independent.
01:23:13 Speaker_00
But there's this question of whether that balances things out a little bit, even though they're not directly counteracting each other.
01:23:21 Speaker_01
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's, um, do you have the, the separate, like, well, a good thing happened here and a bad thing happened there.
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And so if you ask me what kind of week it was, well, you know, mixed bag, or I guess, um, it balanced out in the end.
01:23:36 Speaker_01
And then, uh, you have the other case that, uh, that you described George Lucas being an excellent example where a bad thing happened, but there was some, there was literally a saving grace.
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which is kind of what we're talking about, a benefic coming in, not to negate a difficult thing happening, but to keep it from the worst case scenario. Yeah, totally. In George's case, to make it survivable.
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Because, you know, thank God he endured to make that wonderful second trilogy.
01:24:10 Speaker_00
The world would be a poorer place without it. You're a little older than me, I was younger for the second trilogy.
01:24:16 Speaker_00
I will defend the second trilogy, I don't want to say to the death, but I can make a spirited defense for, especially in comparison to the third trilogy at this point, I think they're looking better these days.
01:24:30 Speaker_01
Yeah, I don't know. I just stopped watching anything Star Wars after I saw the third movie in the second trilogy. Was that late 90s, early 2000s? I was like, Oh, I don't ever need to pay attention to Star Wars anymore.
01:24:45 Speaker_01
So I haven't seen any of the new stuff. George convinced me to quit 20 some years ago.
01:24:50 Speaker_00
How dare you? How dare you, my friend? All right, we'll have to have a separate episode about that at some point. You're going to get me worked up.
01:24:57 Speaker_00
Let's go back to the middle of the month where one of our other major, major transits that happens this month starts to constellate around the same time period that we're talking about, which is like the 12th, 13th, 14th.
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You'll see that what happens is that Pluto slows down and stations direct Here's the date around October 11th, 12th, and 13th.
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And what's interesting is right about the same time, Mercury gets to the end of its trip through Libra and hits 29 degrees of Libra right before it goes into Scorpio. So it basically squares Pluto. There's a Mercury-Pluto square
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the same time that Pluto's stationing. So that's really going to amplify and give a microphone to the Pluto station there. And remember, this is the very last Pluto station in Capricorn for the rest of our lifetimes.
01:26:00 Speaker_00
We've been having Pluto transits since 2008, 2009, and we've had dozens of stations at this point over the course of the past decade.
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This is the very last time that any of us are going to experience Pluto going through this sign in this very last station, and then Mercury swoops in in order to amplify that. So earlier this year, we talked about
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the detective symbolism of Mercury-Pluto alignments, and how sometimes in its best function it can be the intrepid detective who's getting to the bottom of things.
01:26:36 Speaker_00
I actually had a funny example of that that I found when I was researching the third house. It turns out that the the author of the Sherlock Holmes stories was born with Gemini rising and has a Mercury-Pluto conjunction in the 12th house.
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So I thought that was so perfect because we talked about you used the example earlier this year of the True Detective series, which I'm glad you mentioned then because I ended up watching it and it was great.
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But that's the most positive aspect of things is we may see some investigative reporting that gets to the bottom of or exposes some things, especially sometimes dark things that are buried pretty deep down coming to the surface at that time with that Mercury-Pluto square.
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is one possible manifestation. The negative manifestation of that is the same thing, but attempts to use that to control and manipulate people through the releasing of information for nefarious purposes is another possible manifestation.
01:27:40 Speaker_01
Yeah, and there's also just sometimes when there's some investigation done and some awful truth comes out. It just sort of gives you sort of a glimpse, just a glimpse of what you know, is a whole underlayer of corruption and horror.
01:28:00 Speaker_01
And you're like, Oh, yeah, that's out there just behind what I can see. Like in True Detective or with a lot of this stuff, you're like, oh, we saw that piece. What other pieces don't we see? But yeah, it's a thing.
01:28:18 Speaker_01
With Pluto's last station, it's such a... I find Pluto stations create sound
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this deep resonant ominous sort of bass note underneath everything, just like almost sub audible, but like a little, like an earthquake in the underworld that barely can be felt here, but nonetheless imbues an ominous vibration to things.
01:28:42 Speaker_01
And it's really, it is its own event, like the station with the Mercury Square. And I do think you're right. I think there'll be another disclosure of some, another prominent disclosure of some point then.
01:28:57 Speaker_01
But it's so part of a sequence of things that's occurring this month and will go on beyond this month. But it's so part of the sequence of this month, because while that's happening, The sun is on its way to a square with that Pluto.
01:29:11 Speaker_01
Mars is on its way to an opposition with that Pluto. And our full moon, which happens not that much, not that far into the future beyond this, is also going to be configured to that Pluto.
01:29:24 Speaker_01
And so it's a bass note, but in a song that will go, that has been playing this month and will continue after this. It's when I, when I joked about, joked question mark about the, like the Cardinal, what did I call it?
01:29:41 Speaker_01
The Cardinal catastrophe last month. There's a lot more of that. Like the, the Cardinal signs and I speak as someone who has Cardinal sign rising are really getting it this month and the Pluto station is just part of it.
01:29:57 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. Because it's not just sometimes disclosures, but other times it's the attempt to suppress information and to suppress disclosures is the flip side of that as well.
01:30:15 Speaker_01
Yeah, sorry, just to harken back to a much earlier point in this podcast, like Pluto either sends things to the underworld so nobody can see them, or just gorges the contents of what was hidden and secreted away. It loves to do both.
01:30:30 Speaker_01
It's like a doorway or a hell mouth.
01:30:33 Speaker_00
Yeah. And one last thing I missed last month when we were talking about Pluto and Capricorn making its final pass, and Capricorn as well as Uranus getting to the end of Taurus, is I didn't see the news that it was like Russia
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essentially functionally legalized cryptocurrencies and set that to go into effect on September 1st.
01:30:59 Speaker_00
And that was actually incredibly striking because September 1st was the day that Pluto retrograded back into Capricorn and also the same day that Uranus stationed in late Taurus at 27 degrees of Taurus, trining that.
01:31:13 Speaker_00
So some of those things that we were talking about happened in terms of
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how at the tail end of those two outer planet transits that have lasted for a decade, you see this transformation of the way that money is handled and the way that stores of value are being handled in the world by the tail end of that.
01:31:35 Speaker_00
And then of course, as I've talked about a lot over the past few months, both candidates now have more or less endorsed cryptocurrency, which represents a huge reversal in terms of that.
01:31:48 Speaker_00
Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see going forward because now it's different countries legalizing it. It creates then more competition between the countries to be the ones who attempt to dominate that sphere, essentially.
01:32:00 Speaker_01
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And people can refer to our discussion about that last month. We're like, huh, that looks good for crypto.
01:32:10 Speaker_01
slowly, we began with a few points and then sort of became increasingly interested and positive in what it might look like in September.
01:32:20 Speaker_00
Yeah. All right, so that's the Mercury-Pluto square. I'm not sure if there's anything else to say about that. Is there anything else to say about Pluto stationing there?
01:32:31 Speaker_00
Especially if you have planets late in that sign of Capricorn, you're getting the very last pass of a transit that you've been experiencing already off and on over the past couple of years, especially
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and one last sort of burst of intensity in terms of that transit. But then by early next year, Pluto's in Aquarius and it's pretty much over for the most part. Yeah.
01:32:58 Speaker_01
I mean, by the second half of November, Pluto's back in Aquarius. Right. It's so quick. This is literally the... Pluto's been... Pluto entered into uh, Capricorn in 2008.
01:33:11 Speaker_01
Um, and we got, we've, we've been back and forth between Capricorn and Aquarius for this last year, but this is like, right, like right now there are like 48 days of, uh, Pluto in Capricorn left.
01:33:26 Speaker_00
Um, I love that as a 29 degree cancer rising that you're counting down the minutes and seconds until this transit's over.
01:33:35 Speaker_01
It doesn't feel good, Chris. I can point to the meaningful transformations and I'm glad those happened, but it felt fantastic to me the second Pluto moved into Aquarius. I was no longer carrying hell on my back. It's like the lightness. What is it?
01:33:58 Speaker_01
The completely bearable lightness of being that overcame me. I'm looking forward to it. But one last thing to do, one last set of insights, lessons, one more big base note from Pluto.
01:34:14 Speaker_00
CB Right, yeah. And it's like for some people, that last pass is a transformational event in their life that will leave an imprint. Like Diddy, for example, who's basically going to be in jail for the rest of his life,
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even once this transit is over, and this was just the turning point where he went from being a free person to being in jail.
01:34:40 Speaker_00
For other people, it's more like your experience of that long note and feeling of the transformative power of that that's somewhat unsettling, and then finally having that pass and having a feeling of relief or of having finished a major chapter of your life and moved into a next.
01:35:01 Speaker_01
Yeah, it feels like finishing a molting process. You know, if you look at the creatures that have to shed their exoskeletons, right? Like growth dictates that you have to lose all of your skin and grow a new shell.
01:35:20 Speaker_01
I'm sticking with cancer rising, right? It's not very comfortable. You feel vulnerable. It's awkward. It's not particularly attractive. But yeah, it feels like the new shell is just around the corner. New exoskeleton, better adapted to the environment.
01:35:39 Speaker_00
Yeah. Well, I like that interpretation because, of course, this month we're also all going to be holding our breath in terms of if that's also what America is going through and what the US looks like after this election.
01:35:51 Speaker_00
And once we complete this also being the final transit of Pluto's return, of it returning back to where it started at the founding of the country in late Capricorn back in the 1770s,
01:36:05 Speaker_00
And yeah, molting the shell and what exactly that looks like as we move into this new era that's going to last for not just the next 20 years of Pluto and Aquarius, but also the next couple of centuries of Pluto doing another cycle around the zodiac for the country.
01:36:22 Speaker_01
Yeah, you know, it's interesting because when you think of different nations, like you think of let's say France, you're like, well, France has been around for much longer than the United States. What about their Pluto returns?
01:36:37 Speaker_01
However, very few, very few countries actually have Pluto returns where they have the same system of governance, the same constitutional rules. And so usually things have changed.
01:36:53 Speaker_01
There's been an overthrow, there's been a revolution of some sort, or there's a completely different dynasty that seized power by the time you get to that 250 year mark. And so it's not really a Pluto return.
01:37:05 Speaker_01
Because this new, whatever the new dynasty or form of governance is, is only 60 years old, even though the country has been around for much longer.
01:37:15 Speaker_01
Whereas the United States still has a thankfully revised set of documents, but it's the same set of documents. And so the number, the amount of research you can do is actually tiny because it's a very rare thing to have
01:37:33 Speaker_01
like to have a country that has basically the same rules get a Pluto return. Does that make sense?
01:37:39 Speaker_00
CB That does make sense.
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That is unfortunately also the scary thing about what's happening over the next few months and whether we will emerge from the last pass of this Pluto transit with the same country or with a radically changed one in terms of how our government works or is supposed to work or was set up to work at the foundation of it.
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A few few centuries ago. And that's a good reminder.
01:38:01 Speaker_00
That's a good reminder everyone should vote in this election because it's going to make a big difference having this Pluto return and what the future of the country looks like as a result of the election.
01:38:11 Speaker_01
Yeah. Well, and then we go right into coincidentally, uncoincidentally, we go right into the Uranus and Gemini period, which always remakes the United States. So yeah, fingers crossed.
01:38:26 Speaker_00
Yeah. All right. So that is the Pluto station that's happening in the middle of the month. And then in terms of other transits, let me pull up the planetary alignments calendar so we can situate ourselves.
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We get that Sun-Mars square and Sun-Jupiter trine on the 14th, and then we basically head into the next lunation of the month, which is that Aries full Moon that takes place on the 17th. And
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Normally, we would breathe a sigh of relief at this point that we've moved out of the tumultuous eclipse season and we've moved back into calmer waters. But instead, we get kind of a tense Moon. It's more than kind of a tense full Moon. All right.
01:39:13 Speaker_00
I'm downplaying it like I usually do.
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We get a pretty rough full Moon that basically sets us up for the second half of the month and for essentially the transit that we're going to be experiencing for the rest of the year, which is the Mars-Pluto opposition.
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So this Full Moon takes place here around the 17th of October.
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We can see it going exact around 24 degrees of Aries, and what sucks about this Full Moon is when it goes exact at 24, it's just barely coming off of a square with Mars at 22 degrees of Cancer, and then it applies next to a square with Pluto at 29 degrees of Capricorn.
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So part of what this also means is that by the time we get to the second half of the month, the Mars-Pluto opposition starts coming into a close degree-based orb and starts becoming very potent and very powerful and becomes the dominant aspect that we're basically going to be experiencing for the rest of the year because Mars is going to slow down and station in early Leo and then retrograde back into that opposition a couple more times.
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So this lunation really kicks that off by emphasizing and by squaring both of those two planets as they come into alignment.
01:40:29 Speaker_01
CB Yeah, it's super tense. It's combustible. If we look at what's what's angular to the Sun and the Moon, right? It's just all malefics, right? It's the nodes, it's Mars, it's Pluto. And so, yes, the silver of the Moon is restored, right?
01:40:52 Speaker_01
No bloodstained Moon, no eclipse, but it's very intense. And it's also worth noting that it's an Aries Moon, so it's ruled by that Mars. And the Mars and Moon are actually a mutual reception.
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And so, something to think about, not just for this moon, but that I believe I advised last month, and I'll double down on, is pay attention to Mars in Cancer as it's kind of getting ready to do all the things that it's going to do.
01:41:22 Speaker_01
Because we're going to have a very extended, you're going to have a lot of Mars in Cancer. ignoring it until the ignoring the itch until it becomes overwhelmingly painful is not the advice, right?
01:41:37 Speaker_01
You want to go to the doctor as soon as there's some burning inflammation, like pay attention to what what issues even if they're small, that Mars is stirring up in your life in your chart, and treat them with special care. right?
01:41:51 Speaker_01
And keep an eye on it so that, um, you know, you're not surprised, um, when thing, if things, um, go from like kind of a problem to a big issue, because what Mars is doing right now at the beginning of the month, uh, and at the beginning of the month, um, could very well, um, yeah, uh, could, could very well get much worse.
01:42:12 Speaker_01
And so nipping things in the bud or keeping an eye on them is good practice. Uh, you know, cause again, the, um, It's the, it's the punch you don't see coming that knocks you out.
01:42:23 Speaker_01
And so keeping an eye on what Mars is doing will be to pretty much everyone's benefit.
01:42:29 Speaker_00
Yeah. And it really brings the Mars-Pluto into alignment, which I'm going to animate the chart for those watching the video version.
01:42:38 Speaker_00
We just see Injun closer and closer by the end of the month until by the time we close October on the 31st on Halloween, Mars is at 28 degrees of cancer opposing Pluto at 29 Capricorn.
01:42:54 Speaker_00
And then, of course, that opposition goes exact here around November 3rd, just before election day, so that's going to become unfortunately, one of our primary signatures for Election Day.
01:43:05 Speaker_00
So given that, we kind of have to just talk about this opposition and its symbolic significance because that's going to become the dominant energy late in the month, especially from the time of this full Moon on the 17th forward.
01:43:20 Speaker_00
One of the keywords that came up like a year the past year that you mentioned, Austin, about Pluto and Mars as just annihilation. Mars has this basic concept of severing and separation and cutting through things.
01:43:40 Speaker_00
And sometimes that can be good, sometimes that can be bad. It also has this reputation for like Mars is the classic significator of violence and aggression and things like that, or even sometimes violence being done to people.
01:43:54 Speaker_00
But Pluto has this basic function of taking things to the utmost extreme and taking something small and then just making it huge. Alan White always used that
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example of a mushroom cloud where it starts with an atom and then all of a sudden it blows up into this huge explosion.
01:44:14 Speaker_00
And that concept of annihilation just becomes a really good keyword for Mars-Pluto because of that tendency to take the violence of Mars and just take it to its utmost possible extreme. So go ahead.
01:44:34 Speaker_01
Yeah, I was just gonna say, you know, Mars is a malefic, Mars is an asshole, Mars is violent. But when it's just Mars, usually what you're looking at is like somebody who wants to beat people up and be dominant over them.
01:44:49 Speaker_01
Or like somebody who wants to win, who is maybe over-prioritizes winning and that's obnoxious. But when we're bringing like Pluto, that taking it to an extreme, it's somebody dying in the boxing ring rather than just getting beat up.
01:45:06 Speaker_01
It's like suddenly it's Mortal Kombat and the crowd is yelling, finish him. And instead of being in an aggressive spectacle, it feels like somehow now we're in hell. right? And it's not just being the victor, right?
01:45:22 Speaker_01
Usually there are contests and people get hurt in contests, but going that bridge too far is something that Pluto brings out. And conversely, you think about with Mars as flight or fight, fight or flight,
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the natural rise, the person's natural desire to protect themselves.
01:45:50 Speaker_01
When you feel like you're facing not just aggression or dominance, but annihilation, that back-against-the-wall feeling, that is also a different thing than just trying to defend yourself. And so you get these very extreme cycles, which, yeah, anyway.
01:46:12 Speaker_00
CB Right, like what a person does when they are facing an existential threat and going to all lengths, but sometimes overreactions like going too far. I'm glad to use that keyword because that's a major one with Mars-Pluto.
01:46:28 Speaker_00
Some of the other keywords I was writing down were things like power struggles, power plays, acts of extreme violence, aggression, confrontations, but also issues with manipulation, control, having protracted conflicts in which both sides vie for supremacy, but also for survival.
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having an intense burning sensation or a smoldering sense of anger, lashing out at perceived enemies, sometimes overtly and other times covertly. Other things are like ruthlessness, and forcefulness.
01:47:09 Speaker_00
We talked in previous months about sometimes how Mars-Pluto can act openly and obviously and just going too far on a massive scale, but also sometimes Pluto likes to control things from behind the scenes and can sometimes represent the exercise of power that is hidden and not overt or that looks like it's coming from one place, but then instead it's coming from another place.
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And that's going to be one of the tricky things about navigating this during this retrograde, because we're not just going to get one of these aspects, we're going to get three of them. So it's almost like the same note on a musical instrument being
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just drawn out over the course of several months of this same energy.
01:47:55 Speaker_00
And unfortunately, especially for us in the US, that energy is going to be very much tied in with the election and everything subsequent to the election between then and Inauguration Day, and even potentially beyond that when we're still in this range of these two planets being in this close aspect together.
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AC.
01:48:13 Speaker_01
Yeah, we don't get our final Mars Pluto opposition until April, which is wild. CB. That is crazy. But yeah, speaking to what you're saying about
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Sometimes it's very overt, it's very obvious Mars-Pluto, someone dies in the ring or overt acts of terror violence. But then there's the suspiciously weirdly quiet side because Pluto, again, has such things to show you and will disgorge
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things that were hidden before, but then also will conceal things that are very big and important. And so that there you get into all of the like, what is going on behind the scenes, right?
01:49:10 Speaker_01
In a relationship between people, Diddy is an excellent example, right? Up till very recently, up till earlier this year, all of that stuff was under, you know, was beneath the ground, right?
01:49:22 Speaker_01
That was like happening, but in the underworld, nobody could see it and you couldn't hear it. Like there were rumors about this and that, but it was hidden.
01:49:30 Speaker_01
And so with the Mars-Pluto opposition and oppositions in general, there's sort of a back and forth. And we have Pluto, again, like hyper revealing, but also concealing. And the fact that this isn't one Mars-Pluto opposition, but one of a series
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suggest that we're going to get both of those. And also, you know, Pluto, because of that concealing quality is confusing, right? It's confusing for Mars. Like, I don't know, am I facing annihilation? Am I just super overreacting?
01:50:01 Speaker_01
Is there stuff going on? It can be very paranoia inducing, because it's Pluto. So you can't see things clearly. Half of it is concealed.
01:50:10 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, I remember under Jupiter-Pluto alignment, sometimes there can be the explosion of conspiracy theories and stuff like that that we experienced a few years ago. But with this, sometimes it's almost like
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that of the paranoia element and the conspiracy theory element, but that then also leads to action or leads to negative repercussions in some sense. I did half of a study.
01:50:37 Speaker_00
I didn't finish doing it, but I was going through and looking at dates of past Mars-Pluto oppositions, and I was very disturbed by the number of explosions and especially terrorist-type incidents that were occurring under some of the previous ones.
01:50:55 Speaker_00
There was also sometimes instances of the disclosure of
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horrific acts of violence, like back in the 2004, late April Mars-Pluto opposition, the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal broke in the United States when CBS News published the first photographs of the US Army committing these horrific acts of abuse on Iraqi prisoners.
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So sometimes you've got stuff like that, where it's the awareness of things like that coming to the public attention.
01:51:33 Speaker_01
Yeah. So we do have one reasonable precedent for Mars retrograding opposite Pluto three times. And that was Q4 of 2007, and then into Q1 of 2008. We had Mars oppose Pluto three times. It was in Gemini and Capricorn. So it was interesting that
01:52:04 Speaker_01
Pluto's movement into Capricorn was actually accompanied by a trio of Mars oppositions as well. And so that was drawing from that. That was not great for the economies of many nations.
01:52:20 Speaker_01
And then sort of time traveling back there for just sort of the flavor, right? The Mars-Pluto also just gave a feeling of doom. It was like, oh, this whole thing is fucked. How far is the market going to fall?
01:52:36 Speaker_01
The Mars-Pluto, just like, oh, things are doomed. Mars opposite Pluto, there's nothing that can be done. Mars can be that sparky, plucky individual force, and Pluto is just this collective or historical tide that you can't do anything about.
01:52:54 Speaker_01
The feeling of which is like, oh, it's doomed. There's nothing that can be done. And that wasn't the end of all things, but just thinking about what that felt like for a lot of people.
01:53:06 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. I was listening to a podcast recently of a comedian, Michelle Wolf, who said she was working at Bear Stearns during the 2008 collapse, and then that bank just ceased to exist. It was just absolutely wiped out after that.
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And some people who worked for it, they were encouraged to put their retirement into stock for the company so that it wasn't just that they lost their job, but it was that their entire life savings got wiped out when this company crashed and the stock dropped to zero.
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So that's another example of just sometimes extremes of the difference between losing your job and that really sucks versus losing your entire life savings and everything you've built up over a several decade long period of work.
01:53:55 Speaker_01
Yeah, that's a heart-wrenching and good example. If you lost half of what you'd saved over 20 years in one month, that would be devastating, but just to have it gone. Right.
01:54:07 Speaker_01
Like that, that, that annihilation again, like instead of pain, loss, whatever, just annihilation, it's just not there anymore.
01:54:16 Speaker_00
Yeah, so we have a lot of concerns about how this is going to play out in terms of mundane stuff, in terms of the election and conflicts presumably related to the results.
01:54:30 Speaker_00
It's really weird that Mars stations in early December around the time that the votes are being certified essentially, and then there's also some stuff in early January. So I'm sure this is going to lead to a protracted
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probably conflict about some of the things related to the election and the outcome of it.
01:54:50 Speaker_01
But yeah, it's just so hard to imagine that voting happens, they're counted, there's a result, and we move forward with the astrology.
01:55:01 Speaker_01
I would be so excited if that was the case, but it's just so hard to square the astrology with that sort of clean and clear result.
01:55:11 Speaker_00
Yeah. And the other reason for that is Mars goes into Leo right before election day, and that's Trump's rising sign. So it's like we're looking at a very long transit of Mars going retrograde in Trump's first house with the election.
01:55:26 Speaker_00
And that just sounds like him raging and being angry about something. So that one of the scenarios, of course, is if he loses the election, he will say that it was stolen, which is what he did last time.
01:55:40 Speaker_00
So whether we have this huge protracted conflict in the country about him claiming that the election was stolen, and then whether there's a peaceful transfer of power and all that other stuff?
01:55:52 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there are a lot of possibilities, and I'm not particularly excited about 95% of them.
01:56:03 Speaker_00
CB Right, for sure. A lot of possible scenarios. On a personal level though, to try to relate this to individual listeners outside of the mundane astrology potential, terrible repercussions in the world stage, how should we relate this to people?
01:56:21 Speaker_00
Let's say like best-case scenario or a Mars-Pluto alignment that's taking place over the course of months is maybe having an extreme period of physical or even mental exertion that pushes you to your absolute limits
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but in which you accomplish more than you even thought possible to accomplish during that period of time, I think is one of the more positive ways I can see that manifesting.
01:56:55 Speaker_01
I would be careful about advising people to push towards what seems like annihilation. I've been thinking about this one a lot, because I have a 29 Cancer, 29 Capricorn, Ascendant, Descendant axis. And I'm in a Mars-ruled year.
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So that opposition that we're talking about is by degree on my Ascendant and Descendant. And so I've been thinking about that for over a year now. And so one, I don't think that I'm going to be annihilated on November 3rd.
01:57:37 Speaker_01
I do think that it will be challenging, as I've been trying to say about Mars. With Mars and cancer, it looks like if it's relationships with people like friends, family, lovers, whatever, it's a bunch of negative feelings getting stirred up.
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It's people feeling threatened and insecure and handling those feelings in a way that doesn't make the conflicts worse.
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if it's in your first house or if it's afflicting the ruler of the Ascendant, it's watching yourself and watching your own reactions.
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So if you get attacked or you feel attacked, you don't react in such a way that you're feeding into a Mars-Pluto doom spiral. Just being thoughtful and knowing that there are negative options on offer.
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And that there may be things that you have no control over, but there probably are a lot of things that you do have some ability to steer around.
01:58:46 Speaker_01
And yeah, being aware of what that Mars trigger looks like and how to not make it worse by reacting to it. Because that is a huge problem.
01:58:59 Speaker_01
That's a huge difficulty that Mars in Cancer brings is it tends to react to something negative happening in a way that makes the negative thing worse rather than fixing it.
01:59:12 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's a really good point. Because Pluto's tough because sometimes you get swept up in events that are outside of your control and you have to learn. It's very humbling.
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Pluto transits can be very humbling because you have those experience of going through events where maybe you don't have power to change the outcome, and so you have to learn to accept whatever that is, even if it's something that you really don't like.
01:59:40 Speaker_00
But with the Mars part of that, maybe a good meditation throughout this is just to control those things that you can control, while at the same time learning to accept those things that are outside of your power or where you're just in the midst of getting swept up in history, but you still have some control over your immediate environment or your immediate emotional reaction to everything that's swirling around you.
02:00:08 Speaker_01
Yeah, absolutely. And I think that during periods, I mean, literally, there's no period of life where there aren't things out of your control that are important. We're never in total control. But at some points, we have noticeably less than normal.
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And that can trigger that very easily triggers a panic or fear response. And so remembering the things that are in your control and giving Mars something to do, right? Mars is not a planet that likes to it's not a part of us or a planet that likes to
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feel powerless. And so remembering those things which are controllable or where we can make a difference, even if it's remembering to exercise in the evening, even if everything else is going crazy and you can't do anything about it.
02:01:00 Speaker_01
Like having some place to put in an effort that makes a positive difference can be very sustaining mentally during difficult times.
02:01:12 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's a really great piece of advice. All right, other things for Mars-Pluto oppositions? I'm trying to think about personal advice or other mundane things we want to say about that.
02:01:25 Speaker_00
I did have a few other minor transits this month I wanted to mention.
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ACKERMAN Yeah, I don't have anything more to say about that opposition right now. Again, we're going to be in conversation about this dynamic for the next several months. several and then several after that. It's part of the background for a while.
02:01:46 Speaker_00
For sure. Yeah. So we will revisit that. All right. Well, part of what I wanted to mention, I was trying to look this month to see, since this is October in an election year, if there was some sort of October surprise, when would that happen?
02:02:03 Speaker_00
And especially if there were any Uranus signatures this month, which Uranus An October surprise is not always something that comes out of nowhere and it's just absolutely shocking, so it doesn't have to be a Uranian thing.
02:02:17 Speaker_00
But if there was some Uranian thing this month, a couple of the transits where Uranus does get hit, the one that seemed the most notable was at the very end of the month when Mercury opposes Uranus on October 30th. So let me show that.
02:02:33 Speaker_00
And that's pretty late, typically, for an October surprise. Typically, they happen a little earlier in the month, although I guess we did have the Hillary emails thing where the FBI announced that probably pretty late in October last time.
02:02:47 Speaker_00
So here we see Mercury on October 30th at 25 degrees of Scorpio opposing Uranus at 25 Taurus.
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So sometimes that can just be like a shocking or surprising piece of news comes out of nowhere and causes tension or causes upset around that time as one possibility, both in terms of world events as well as just in terms of personal events, especially if somebody has something around 25 degrees of the fixed signs.
02:03:13 Speaker_00
One other transit I saw with Uranus this month is earlier in the month on the 14th, the same day virtually that the Sun squares Mars and the Sun trines Jupiter, Venus actually opposes Uranus on October 14th. So here's what that looks like.
02:03:34 Speaker_00
So we kind of need to layer that into our delineation to some extent that the same day that we have this very tense square between the Sun and Mars with Jupiter attempting to counterbalance with a positive thing, there's also something shocking or surprising that's happening at the same time.
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with Venus hitting 26 degrees of Scorpio and opposing Uranus at 26 degrees of Taurus.
02:04:01 Speaker_00
And that's especially one that's sort of surprising things in terms of interpersonal relationships and different things in that category or that area, but sometimes it can be just surprising things in general.
02:04:16 Speaker_01
Yeah, so that Venus opposition that you're highlighting as well as the later Mercury opposition definitely bring that potential for surprise to the forefront. It's also true that our growing Mars-Pluto opposition is also both Mars and Pluto are
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um, relatively tightly aspected to Uranus. And so Uranus is going to kind of get folded. They're going to be like little surprise shock elements that get folded into that Mars Pluto.
02:04:51 Speaker_01
Um, and that's just kind of true for the whole second half plus of the month. with those stress points that you pointed out with Venus and then Mercury, making exact opposition to Pluto.
02:05:07 Speaker_01
While Venus is also aspecting, trying to Mars sextile to Pluto, we have so much action happening at the very end of water and Earth signs.
02:05:18 Speaker_00
CB Right. I just realized it's like Mercury's at one degree of Scorpio this day, so that's the same degree as Kamala Harris' Mercury, which is the ruler of her Ascendant, so the news is probably something surrounding her that day.
02:05:33 Speaker_01
Yeah, I don't have any specific idea or prediction, but it is worth noting that that kind of wild full moon is her natal sun and moon. She was born, she was a full moon in Aries with the sun in Libra.
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CB Right. And that's also around the time of her solar return since she was born on October 20th.
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So she switches actually from a 12th house perfection year, which is Taurus, to a first house perfection year, which is Gemini, on her solar return on October 20th. Yeah, where the Moon is also transiting through Gemini and applying to that Jupiter.
02:06:17 Speaker_00
If you break it down, it's one of the tricky things about analyzing the transits because she's getting that activated with that Jupiter transit near her Ascendant in the first house, in the first house perfection here at the election, while Trump, of course, famously has his son very close to there in Gemini, and his son is the ruler of the Ascendant.
02:06:37 Speaker_00
So there's kind of a toss-up when it comes to some of the transits there in which whether it comes out in favor of one of them when it comes to just that single analysis. All right. Let me see other things.
02:06:53 Speaker_00
Venus gets out of Scorpio and goes into Sagittarius on October 17th, which is kind of nice, although then it starts- Yeah, go ahead.
02:07:02 Speaker_01
I think it's kind of nice too.
02:07:04 Speaker_00
Okay, well, it's nice, but then it also starts heading into a square with Saturn.
02:07:08 Speaker_00
It's got to get through this square with Saturn, which goes exact on October 28th first, which is a little bit of a downer and a little bit of pouring cold water on Venus's otherwise sagittarious fire party once she departs from Scorpio.
02:07:23 Speaker_01
Yeah, what I like about Venus moving into Sagittarius is that it puts Venus in a whole sign opposition to Jupiter. So it's Jupiter and Venus looking across the sky at each other. We like configured benefics.
02:07:37 Speaker_01
And it's Venus in a Jupiter ruled sign staring right at Jupiter. And it would just be lovely, if not for having to complete the square with Saturn first.
02:07:48 Speaker_01
Um, after Venus clears that, um, it's, it's actually, um, a nice silver or like coppery lining, um, to the very difficult or very tense end of the month, beginning of next month. Um,
02:08:03 Speaker_01
at least it's not opposite Uranus and configured with Pluto and Mars. And I'll take the shift into Sagittarius, especially the second half of that journey. CB Yeah, totally.
02:08:16 Speaker_00
It's one of the few saving graces about election day is that there's this very close, not like super close, but Venus and Jupiter are pretty close to an opposition. So it'll be interesting that when one of them is rising,
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over the horizon that day, the other one will be setting. And that's one of the cool things about opposition. So that opposition is a little bit positive in terms of offsetting the Mars-Pluto opposition that's happening at the same time. AC.
02:08:45 Speaker_01
Yeah. And nice for mutable planets. Cardinal planets are still going to be having a time, but for mutable placements, that's double benefics.
02:09:01 Speaker_00
Yeah, so positive things for people with mutable rising especially or planets around those degrees. But there is this one day towards the end of the month where Venus at about 12, 13 degrees of Sagittarius
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hits a square with Saturn, and there may be some tensions in terms of interpersonal relationships, and in terms of a cooling off or feeling colder towards somebody on that day, or balancing the sense of romance with the sense of
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not just obligation, but also the practical numbers of whether a relationship adds up or makes sense is something that people sometimes experience under hard aspects between Venus and Saturn.
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And it gets accentuated that day by the Moon swooping through Virgo and forming a T-square with Venus and Saturn.
02:09:59 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah. And you have some frustration there, right? Where it feels like, oh, you should be having a double benefic party, but Saturn must be appeased, right? And sometimes that's through hearing out
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that this isn't hearing Saturn out and they're like, no, this isn't realistic. Or yeah, this nice thing can happen, but you're going to have to wait a little bit or you're going to have to consider the cost.
02:10:26 Speaker_01
Even when Saturn's being helpful, there's a like, coming down to Earth. There's a coldness and a hardness to Saturn, which might be helpful, but it's not fun. It doesn't keep the party going.
02:10:46 Speaker_00
CB. Yeah, I like that. It's like a toll booth that Venus has to pay in order to get to Jupiter. AC.
02:10:52 Speaker_01
Yeah, but at least there's the Jupiter aspect on the other side.
02:10:57 Speaker_00
CB Right, exactly. And it's just a fleeting aspect unlike some of the other aspects this month, but still worth noting. Speaking of that, I did want to mention our auspicious electional chart for this month. It's kind of hard.
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Lisa and I just did the electional astrology podcast for October and tried to find the best dates, but with all these difficult alignments happening with eclipse season and all the Mars stuff at the beginning of the month, and then
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the Mars-Pluto opposition towards the end of the month.
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It's actually pretty tricky, but our auspicious election for this month, the best date we can find if you do have to do something or launch something important, takes place around this time on October 25th.
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And there's a few different rising signs that you could use this day, but the one I like the most is Aquarius rising, which occurs around 3 p.m. local time. Whatever your location is, just set it for your city and set it for about 3 p.m.
02:11:57 Speaker_00
And if you do, you should end up with a chart that has Aquarius rising. And what you should do is you should adjust the Ascendant until the Ascendant is at about 20 degrees of Aquarius in your location.
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So this is the chart that you'll end up with roughly.
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You'll have a chart with Aquarius rising, the ruler of the Ascendant is Saturn, in Pisces in the second whole sign house in a day chart, showing a focus on financial matters for this chart, which is pretty good.
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The Moon is in Leo and it's applying to a sextile with Jupiter, which is helping to affirm the Moon and indicate positive things coming up in the future as long as you can catch that as an applying aspect.
02:12:40 Speaker_00
If you can't catch it in your time zone, like if you're on the West Coast, for example, of the US, you might be able to back the chart up a day and still get something pretty decent with the Moon applying to Jupiter.
02:12:51 Speaker_00
So I picked this specific time because if you pick 20 degrees of Aquarius, you can get a nice supportive and protective trine from Jupiter in Gemini down there in the 5th house.
02:13:05 Speaker_00
And that's pretty good, especially for creativity and other things related to the 5th house, which can also include fun and games and leisurely activities. We also see that Venus is up there in the 11th whole sign house.
02:13:18 Speaker_00
In our location, we also adjusted the time in order to put Venus not too far off from the Midheaven, so if you're able to accomplish that in your location, that would be great, although if you can't, it's not a huge deal.
02:13:29 Speaker_00
Venus up there in the 11th house is doing pretty well for friends, groups, and alliances, especially being ruled by Jupiter.
02:13:37 Speaker_00
And since Venus is applying to the square with Saturn, but Saturn is the ruler of the Ascendant, that overcoming square from Venus actually becomes helpful in terms of helping to affirm and support the ruler of the Ascendant, which represents you in the chart and what you're initiating and starting at this time.
02:13:57 Speaker_00
So the area of major difficulty in the chart, of course, is Mars in cancer in the sixth house of work and health at 26 degrees of cancer, and it's applying to that opposition with Pluto in the 12th house of self-undoing enemies and isolation.
02:14:14 Speaker_00
So it's not great, I'm not going to lie. I wouldn't normally, if this was a huge thing, try to schedule something for a close Mars-Pluto opposition.
02:14:24 Speaker_00
However, if you have to, this is the best chart that I can come up with in order to squeeze the best energy out of some of these alignments that are happening, the most positive alignments that are happening this month, and in order to try to mitigate some of the most challenging alignments that are happening.
02:14:41 Speaker_00
I think this is the best I can come up with. So yeah, that's our auspicious electional chart for this month, for October.
02:14:49 Speaker_00
We found something like 15 other electional charts on different days throughout the course of the month, which we released in our electional astrology podcast through our page on Patreon just a few days ago.
02:15:01 Speaker_00
So if you're looking for other dates this month besides just this one on the 25th, you can access those through our page at patreon.com slash astrology podcast. All right, and that is our best chart for the month.
02:15:12 Speaker_00
You said you used Aquarius Rising recently for something?
02:15:16 Speaker_01
Yeah, during the Leo Moon a few days ago.
02:15:19 Speaker_00
Nice, nice. Exactly. Yeah, just like our electional chart. It reminds me of just the best part of J.K.
02:15:27 Speaker_00
Rowling's chart, which is Aquarius rising, Saturn in the second house, and Pisces ruled by Jupiter in the fifth house, and becoming a billionaire by writing children's books.
02:15:40 Speaker_00
And that part of the chart that's relatively successful or positive, but not necessarily the rest of it. So that's part of what you're going for there with a chart like this? Yeah, there's a lot that works there.
02:15:55 Speaker_00
Speaking of, did you see, this is really funny, on September 4th, Martin, what's his name? Game of Thrones author?
02:16:06 Speaker_01
Oh, George R.R. Martin.
02:16:08 Speaker_00
George R.R. Martin wrote a scathing blog post criticizing the showrunners of House of Dragon for deviating from what he wrote in his book, in the script for what they ended up putting up on the show.
02:16:21 Speaker_00
And that was the day that Mars ingressed into cancer, which is his third house transit.
02:16:27 Speaker_01
Yeah. And it conjoined his natal urinus there. Right.
02:16:33 Speaker_00
Yeah.
02:16:33 Speaker_01
He has Uranus there and then Mars hits it. Yeah. And then freaks out blog is totally a third house thing. We didn't talk about this at a time, but I, yeah, I also, I read it before they took it down.
02:16:46 Speaker_00
Well, yeah, cause he pulled it down cause probably he was breaking a bunch of like agreements and other things with like HBO. I'm sure to not criticize the show.
02:16:55 Speaker_00
It was actually very surprising cause he doesn't usually, even if he doesn't, he's not happy with stuff. He doesn't usually openly criticize it.
02:17:01 Speaker_01
Yeah, and it was very, it was very Mars Cancer in the sense of like, finally, like, reacting after how, after feelings had been building up for him for probably 10 years. Right.
02:17:16 Speaker_01
And it just, it just so happened that that Mars ingress into cancer, hitting the uranus, um, was the straw that broke the camel's back and then taking it back right away. But.
02:17:27 Speaker_01
You know, it's sometimes it's, uh, increasingly, uh, it is harder to unsay things, right. When people can screen cap it and share it, et cetera, et cetera. I also thought it was sort of a masterclass in passive aggression.
02:17:40 Speaker_01
which Mars in Cancer can be guilty of slash also be a champion of.
02:17:47 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, other Mars in Cancer champions. I think the avatar of Mars in Cancer over the past month has been this baby pygmy hippo in Thailand called Mooding. She was born back in July with the Sun and Venus, I think, in Cancer.
02:18:05 Speaker_00
But for some reason, this hippo just went viral over the course of the past month. as soon as Mars went into cancer in early September. And it's actually been really funny to watch. She was just parodied on SNL just a few nights ago, even.
02:18:19 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's really funny.
02:18:22 Speaker_01
It's extra funny for Cade and I because we've been talking about Lucien in Pachyderm, analogies for a month or two. He's a very large child. We call him the Flippo because he's always flipping around on the bed. He's mobile.
02:18:42 Speaker_01
He's not crawling, but he's rolling to get places, dangerously so. We talk about the Flippopotamus, He's a pachyderm. We talk about him as the atacaderm because he's in Aries.
02:18:54 Speaker_01
But anyway, and so famous baby hippo, we're like, oh, it's just something in the air. Adorable, aggressive pachyderms. CB. Exactly.
02:19:02 Speaker_00
Yeah. So people have to check that out. I don't know why it's happening, but it just seems Mars in Cancer-y to me, which is pretty funny.
02:19:11 Speaker_01
Well, it's like adorable, but like kind of potentially Marzian dangerous because I mean, even a tiny hippo is a large creature, right? Like the pygmy hippopotamus, like his mom is still like larger than a bull.
02:19:29 Speaker_01
And hippos actually, I believe on the statistics, hippos hurt a lot more people per year than crocodiles. They're really dangerous animals. And so to have something dangerous in adorable baby form is very Mars in Cancer.
02:19:45 Speaker_00
Yeah. It's just an adorable baby version of that though, that like chomps on your knee, but it doesn't really do anything.
02:19:50 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah.
02:19:51 Speaker_00
CB Yeah. So we will leave you all with that as the imagery for Mars and Cancer to balance out our earlier treatment. But I think that's it for this forecast this month. I think we covered everything pretty comprehensively here as much as we could.
02:20:08 Speaker_00
We'll see how world events play out with the rest of eclipse season, and then we'll start experiencing the Mars-Pluto at the end of the month. And then we will return again next month Actually, that's really funny.
02:20:18 Speaker_00
We're going to have to do the next episode right as that aspect's going very close at the end of October. So we will definitely be revisiting Mars-Pluto by the end of the month.
02:20:28 Speaker_01
Yeah, hopefully I don't get annihilated on camera.
02:20:31 Speaker_00
Yeah, I'm going to annihilate some nachos after recording this episode is my plan. So all right, my friend, good job today. What do you have coming up this month? What are you working on? What do you have happening?
02:20:44 Speaker_01
Okay, so I'm just working on all my normal things. Um, uh, you can see some of the things I've done before. I've got all, I've got a bun, I've got, I don't know, a hundred hours worth of different, uh, recorded workshops and classes.
02:20:59 Speaker_01
Um, I've done available for download on my website. Um, I, um, I'm not personally taking readings right now, but on my website, you can also find the graduates from my program who knew how to do a bunch of the stuff I know how to do.
02:21:17 Speaker_01
And then Sphere & Sundry actually closed between the eclipses. They got overwhelmed by the sale that was announced last month, but we'll be reopening right after the solar eclipse. The sale is back on.
02:21:35 Speaker_01
And there's going to be a beautiful, extremely benefic solar series that is going to debut this month as a counterpoint to all of the rather unshiny, unfresh configurations.
02:21:53 Speaker_01
So look for the Golden Soul announcement and look for Sphere and Center to reopen shortly after the eclipse.
02:22:01 Speaker_00
Nice. Excellent. That's exciting. Cool. And as for myself, I just recorded, I spent a good chunk of the past few weeks researching the third house for the next installment of my houses series.
02:22:15 Speaker_00
And Lisa and I did a huge intensive amount of research on that. And we ended up recording our episode on the third house already. We have over 108 examples in that episode. It's so extensive, but we found so many good charts of third house placements.
02:22:31 Speaker_00
It's really incredible. One of my favorite was it turns out that Billie Eilish has a mutual reception between the ruler of the 10th house of career and the third house of siblings. And she famously, her brother
02:22:44 Speaker_00
they work together basically and have produced and won a bunch of awards together for their collaborations. So we found a ton of great examples like that and have already released that, and it's available for early access through our page on Patreon.
02:22:58 Speaker_00
It's a very long episode because I decided to make it my definitive treatment of the third house. So as a result of that, it's actually going to take me a while to edit and then release. I may not release it until sometime
02:23:10 Speaker_00
mid to late October, possibly. We'll have to see if I can find a good election before then, but it will be available for early access to all patrons.
02:23:18 Speaker_00
And then once I do release it to the public, for patrons, I'm going to release a 75-page e-book as a bonus that will be available just to patrons, which will contain all of our notes for that we did in researching the episode, as well as charts.
02:23:34 Speaker_00
And it will contain a bunch of examples that we didn't get to include just because of cutting them out for time purposes for the purpose of the episode. So that'll be available on Patreon.
02:23:44 Speaker_00
And then I'm already starting to research and work on the fourth house. And we'll see if I'm able to record that at some point later in the month, if we're able to get it all together at some point in October.
02:23:55 Speaker_01
Yeah. Love the encyclopedic style work.
02:24:00 Speaker_00
Yeah, I like doing definitive things and raising the bar on astrological research. And I think Lisa and I were able to definitely do this in this episode, so I'm excited to share it with everybody.
02:24:11 Speaker_01
Yeah, that's awesome.
02:24:12 Speaker_00
Yeah. All right. Well, I think that's it. Thanks, everyone, for watching or listening to this episode. Thanks to the live audience of patrons that joined us in the live chat.
02:24:21 Speaker_00
Throughout the course of this, it's been really fun seeing all of the comments and talking with everybody. I think that's it for this forecast. Thanks a lot for watching. We will see you again next month. Good luck with all of the different transits.
02:24:34 Speaker_00
Otherwise, good luck and take care. We'll see you again for our next forecast at the end of October. All right. Have a good one.
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