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Episode: A Great Week 11, Burrow vs. Herbert, Allen vs. Mahomes, Rodgers vs. Father Time, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Author: The Ringer
Duration: 01:45:36

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The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Chargers surviving an incredible Bengals comeback, the Bills snapping the Chiefs' win streak in what turned out to be the game of the day, and the Lions making history while becoming the Super Bowl favorite (1:50). Then, they

discuss a super physical Ravens-Steelers game, Jets-Colts, Bears-Packers, Patriots-Rams, Falcons-Broncos, Saints-Browns, and more (23:44). Finally, it's Guess the Lines for NFL Week 12 (1:02:55), before discussing Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, and closing the show with Parent Corner (1:21:48). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In this episode of "The Bill Simmons Podcast" by The Ringer, Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal discuss an exhilarating Week 11 in the NFL, including the Chargers' vital win over the Bengals with Justin Herbert's pivotal plays, the Bills' striking triumph over the Chiefs, and the implications for playoff positioning. They analyze the strengths and weaknesses of several teams, including significant matchups like the Steelers versus Ravens and the emerging Lions as Super Bowl contenders. The conversation wraps up with an exploration of betting lines for Week 12 and a humorous take on Mike Tyson's recent fight.

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It was the best football day of the year. We broke it down live on YouTube. You're about to hear it. First, our friends from Pearl Jam.

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Oh, Mike.

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Mike. Mike. Justin Herbert is throwing such rockets. I thought Elon Musk was living inside his bicep.

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I really did. Mike, I got no fluids left in my body. I got no fluids left, Mike. if they show those commercials with someone making dirty tacos again, I don't, I don't know what I'm going to do outside. So far.

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I don't know what quarterback I like more bag.

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Oh, Mike, what a game chargers Bengals. Wow. I tweeted this with like two minutes left. We've seen that exact chargers game before. We've seen that exact Bengals game before we're taping this at nine o'clock, the game just ended. And it was just,

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It was just, who's going to do what they do better? Are the Bengals just going to blow a completely winnable game and kick themselves after, or are the Chargers just going to have a massive choke in a game that seemed over at halftime?

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And I really didn't know until McPherson lined up for 51, and I was like, he's not making this. It's not going in.

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But then, Justin Herbert, much maligned, not a lot of clutch moments for Justin, made some big throws, won the game.

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You and he's lucky too because you text and you're like, I'm gonna torch this mother effer if he loses this game. Something like that. I don't know. But no, I went through my Justin Herbert progression too as a fan.

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You know how quarterbacks go through their... Progression, tight end, slant, curl, okay, I'll throw the screen. I went through the whole thing like, oh my God, look how great he is in the first, this is, how did anyone ever compare him to Tua?

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He's the best, this is ridiculous. They're gonna upset somebody in the playoffs too. What the hell is he doing? How does he throw seven incomplete passes in a row? He's crushing us. He's overthrowing McConkie and now he's back to being great, I guess.

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Well, huge fumble. when he was really running around like he used to a couple years ago and enjoying the studio space. And then he had that fumble.

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When he fumbled, for anyone who says that momentum doesn't matter in a football game, that fumble was like, oh no, here we go. I mean, this game had five momentum swings as it was going.

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So we had that fumble, and then just sailed it over McConkie's head, who was wide open, but then he made up for it on that last drive with some big plays. Is that a better win for the Chargers or a worse loss for the Bengals?

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I'm actually leaning toward worse loss, right? They're all like they're four and seven now.

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I know they're done. Like, well, they're not done. See, they're not done.

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No, I know. But every game's like this, right? It's like, you know what? They're just like a great sparring partner. That's basically what they are at this. Oh, I like that.

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They're like Razoretic.

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Yeah, they are. Yeah, they're going to give you their all, and they're going to come up short, or they're going to win. But they can't put together three games in a row, I don't think.

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I haven't really scoured their schedule, but I guess I'll take a look here. I'll do it right now. They're going to get tripped up somewhere.

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The question is whether it's ten wins or nine. Because right now they're somehow four and seven, where they have terrible loss this week, tail end of the game. Baltimore week 10, terrible. Baltimore week five, terrible.

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Washington week three, KC week two. They've had basically five either or games, and they lost their 0 for 5 in the either or games.

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They have to sweep the Steelers as I look at it.

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Five weeks next week, two with the Steelers left. They have at Dallas, at Tennessee, home Cleveland, and home Denver week 17. Well, that's it probably, right? So they could get to nine, I don't see 10.

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10 means they run the slate the rest of the way. So the Broncos would be the seven, right? That's the one we're eyeing for the seven seed. So that might be for the seven seed, but I don't know. Are they really going to beat the Cowboys?

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Of course they are.

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AFC playoff picture. Yeah, they're four and seven. Miami's four and six. Indy's five and six, Denver's six and five, Chargers are now seven and three. Yeah, it's gonna be that Denver, Indy, Cincy, Miami, one of those four is going.

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And Cincy is the best team out of those four, it's not close.

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It's crazy how good they are. Like, how is this team not gonna be in the top seven in that conference? And then I think like, I look at it from a fan's perspective, like, oh, we gotta get him in as a football fan.

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But then I also look like, oh, I want a shitty team in the seventh seed I can bet against, right? And this wouldn't be them. Denver might be at some point.

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Hanch has already locked down Pittsburgh to see Denver seven seed as the shaky Saturday first playoff game of round one game.

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Oh, you think?

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Yeah. Russell Wilson, Bo Nix, Sean Peyton, Mike Tomlin. I don't know if they'll be able to top that for the shake his game.

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Didn't the AFC South sign like a 12-year deal with Shakey's? Like they're in until 2038 or something. Like Notre Dame with NBC? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoever wins AFC South and hosts that 4-5 or whatever.

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So that would have to be Tampa, like Washington? Or Tampa, Arizona? I guess Tampa, Arizona would be tough to beat.

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AFC South. I was thinking AFC South. I was thinking Houston and, I don't know. Yeah, no, no. Who would be the five? Houston, Baltimore, I guess.

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Houston's gonna be a three seed. Probably right. Are they?

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Yeah, no.

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Four seed? Oh yeah, you're right. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, KC. Yeah, Houston's the four seed. Yeah. So it could be Houston. So Houston Chargers or Pittsburgh Denver for Shakey's. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. That's fine.

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This was the day we talked about the kicking was too good. What are we going to do? Should we move the uprights closer?

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And then today happened where it's just kickers all over the place, just murdering teams, including McPherson in this game with two long ones where a couple of years ago it looked like he was Justin Tucker and waiting.

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and then today he still looks like Justin Tucker. Yeah.

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Yeah. But that's not why they took the new version.

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He looks like Justin Tucker right now. Um, but that's not why they lost. They lost cause they fell behind 24 to six and yeah. And Doug too big of a hole for themselves. That's funny though.

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When you watch them, when Higgins is playing and he's missed like four and a half games, And they have Chase on one side and Higgins on the other side. It really is one. And Chase Brown, who I think has been really good this season.

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And you watch and you go, man, this is deep. How do you stop these guys? It just feels like it's eight yards to the side anytime they want. They can go deep. Even when they miss the deep throws, they like just miss them.

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And I don't know, they just seem like one of the best five offenses to me, I don't get it.

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And then the Chargers did too, though, right? And then they, I don't know, look, I suck as a coach, but you and I, we're like, why aren't they running the ball? Run the ball a little bit.

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Herbert obviously doesn't have it for this 20-minute segment of the game. Give it to Dobbins, who's like the fastest guy in Southern California, and see what happens, you know? And we saw. Yeah, they, so,

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Dobbins was 11 for 56 and Edwards was six for 27. And then Herbert ran five for 65. But yeah, that both of those guys, Dobbins and Edwards were four and a half a carry. Dobbins ripped off that last one for the winner.

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But I was thinking the same thing because I know the receivers have overachieved for the Chargers, but it's still Will Disley, it's still Rookie McConkey, it's still Quentin Johnston, it's still Josh Palmer at a huge drop on the second round draft.

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I mean, one of the weird things, the Chargers were like dying to give this game away. They got the ball back with what, 145 left after the missed field goal? And you have to run on first down to kill some clock.

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And they don't, they just threw it three straight times. They gave the ball back in like 13 seconds to the Bengals, and then the Bengals couldn't do anything either. But some of the clock management was bad.

00:10:43 Speaker_04
I usually think Harbaugh's pretty good at this stuff. Zack Taylor is not. I usually have confidence he's gonna do the wrong thing. And now we're gonna lose middle seat Doug tomorrow.

00:10:52 Speaker_04
And Zack Taylor's gonna move up the what the fuck are you doing rankings, I think.

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Interesting, he's gotta keep middle seat Doug in a job there. Yeah, that's gonna be fun. That's done, right? That's done. I don't know where you want to jump around to, but that game.

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Yeah, I have a spot for them. We'll get to them later. So best Collinsworth moments? He had that one where Burrow scrambled out and did the Houdini thing and then hit somebody. And Tariqo finished his whole play-by-play for another eight seconds.

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And Collinsworth can just hold the laugh now. It's almost like Richard... Who is the tantric sex guy? Sting?

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Yeah, yeah, that's him.

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Yeah, it's almost like how tantric sex people can hold the orgasm. Collinsworth can just hold it. Wow. Tariko finishes and then is a...

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Mike, Joe Burrow just made the greatest play I've ever seen. That is the greatest play I've ever seen, Mike. That's a spectacular play. Spectacular.

00:11:48 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's good. I hate to brag on him because I really enjoy him. No, I love Cogsworth. This is all the love. We love Cogsworth. Yeah, we love you, Chris.

00:11:59 Speaker_04
And by the way, speaking of announcers that we've had fun with, I've had more fun than you, but I thought Romo was really good today, too. Excellent. He had a couple rocky years there, but I thought he was excellent today. We had good answers today.

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Just a lot of little things that people don't appreciate, but when Mahomes went to the line of scrimmage and was definitely not gonna draw them off sides, and he's like, he's overacting.

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When a quarterback overacts, they're just letting the clock run out. They're not gonna run. It's like, yeah, you're right. Why didn't we pick that up?

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It's a big picture with this Chargers team, because I think they needed one of these Feeling good about themselves. They're only giving up 13 points a game. Like how good is this team? They kind of needed a nut crunch game and they got it.

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That's for damn sure. But big picture, they're not going to catch the Chiefs. They're in the hunt for the five seed.

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And I think you want the five seed this year, because you get to go to at Houston in round one, which is, I think, way more palatable than going to Buffalo or going to Pittsburgh slash Baltimore. So I think they can get to the five seed, right?

00:13:08 Speaker_04
Did you see anything today that made you worried about them, other than the fact that they almost choked away an 18 point lead?

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So you would say, well, they would get there. Wouldn't you think it's either Pittsburgh or Baltimore in the five?

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I don't know that they have the same record as Baltimore now.

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I guess they have the same record. They both have four? Baltimore's four.

00:13:26 Speaker_04
Baltimore's eight and three.

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Chargers are seven and three.

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And I think Baltimore has a harder schedule down the stretch.

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Yeah. It's all a mess there. I agree. And yeah, they're going to go on the road. But the biggest takeaway here is they had fans. They had fans there.

00:13:43 Speaker_04
We said last week, we were like, well, here's the one game where they're not going to have fans. That was about as loud of a fan base as we've had in LA, right?

00:13:49 Speaker_02
Yeah. I feel like we should, there's no way to quantify it, right? But I feel like their approval rating goes up each week at home. I was impressed.

00:13:58 Speaker_04
Yeah. Well, I was impressed by the Bengals that they had that many fans. I don't really fully understand it.

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Yeah, that's true. That's true, too. But yeah, the Chargers, they're coming here to see Harbaugh.

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But it's for the Chargers, it's kind of good to you almost feel like you're tested because it really did feel like the crowd was loud in the second half. I like this Chargers team. Khalil Mack didn't play today.

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I like that they can run the ball, and I think that's what they'll probably learn from big picture is maybe run the ball more. If I'm the Bengals, I don't know how Zach Taylor survives a season. This could be another job that's open.

00:14:35 Speaker_04
And I was thinking, like, it's a pretty interesting Belichick job. You get one of these jobs, right? It's an interesting Belichick job. It's a really interesting Brable job, but.

00:14:46 Speaker_04
Oh, Steelers are eight and two, the Ravens are seven and four, I fucked up.

00:14:49 Speaker_02
So the Chargers have a better record. Yeah, well he did Cleveland, right? He did Cleveland before, Belichick, right?

00:14:57 Speaker_04
So he can't, he's not going back to Cleveland.

00:14:59 Speaker_02
No, no, I'm just saying, he loves Ohio, clearly. No, I think this is definitely the best spot for him, but it's not, I don't know, it's not the offense, that doesn't really matter, right?

00:15:11 Speaker_02
Like get rid of Luan Arumo, who, I don't know, it's been inconsistent for years now.

00:15:16 Speaker_04
I'm just saying if you're going for wins, if you're Belichick, if one of the reasons you're coming back is to break the record, Burrow is the best quarterback available, because otherwise you're looking at Trevor Lawrence, you're looking at whatever the Giants do, you're looking at whoever the hell the Raiders, QB is gonna be.

00:15:34 Speaker_04
So the big game of the day, this was an awesome football day. I would say this was the best start to finish day we had, right?

00:15:40 Speaker_02
For sure, for sure, and it gets bad, gets a little lean next week, but yeah, I loved this. They were like six good matchups, I thought.

00:15:46 Speaker_04
What was great was no London game, no Germany game, so we just were able to start off hot with some really good games, but then Bill's Chiefs became the best game of the day.

00:15:57 Speaker_04
And I was thinking, because the Bills pulled it out, and it was a really good win for them, I think beating KC Is it the most impressive thing you could do in a regular season in any sport right now, where the fans are the most excited?

00:16:12 Speaker_04
Like, ah, we beat blank. They have to be the mountain, right?

00:16:17 Speaker_02
I think so. I mean, it's so exciting. I read, I don't know if this is true, like fans were jumping on through tables, like before the game even. before they even started, outside, yes, in the parking lot, this was happening.

00:16:29 Speaker_02
Yeah, but the problem is they beat them in the regular season before, right, last year, or maybe even like twice, and then they, like, you know, Kansas City's just got that try it in January chip, but it's gonna be a lot easier if they, you know, if they get the one seed, and this brings them closer.

00:16:45 Speaker_04
I think it's a little more special, because it was their first loss, and it's week 11. Sure. You know, you hang that one on, but I did write down, I was texting with a Chiefs fan who predicted this early in the first quarter.

00:16:57 Speaker_04
Not Nick Wright, another Chiefs fan. Little Milton Berle-ish performance from the Chiefs today. Obviously they want to win. They're trying to win, but I don't feel like they brought out the kitchen sink. Like Kelsey was two catches, eight yards, right?

00:17:15 Speaker_04
They really was trying to get worthy involved to see what they have with him. They're trying to get Hopkins involved, trying to run the ball a little bit, but for the most part, like there's another gear for these guys. And the gear is Kelsey.

00:17:26 Speaker_04
And it's not like the bills were like, we've taken out Travis Kelsey. They just, there's games where they put him in the garage and we've talked about it the last couple of years where it's clearly a Travis's in the garage game.

00:17:36 Speaker_04
This is a Travis's in the garage game. Yeah. I think if this is in January, he has eight catches for 80 yards and a bunch of first downs.

00:17:44 Speaker_02
I was looking at the box going, you're probably right, because it really doesn't make sense. Because I look at it, aside from Allen, they had 49 yards rushing, right? And they still won time of possession by eight minutes.

00:17:54 Speaker_02
And the defense was very good. They allowed like 260 the whole game. So I don't know what to make of the... of the Chiefs, I was waiting for like a bad call towards the end there, but that was a ballsy, ballsy call by McDermott.

00:18:07 Speaker_02
Like they likely lose the game if they go up five and kick a field goal on, is it fourth and two they went for, or even more? I think it was fourth and two.

00:18:14 Speaker_04
Fourth and two, they're up two, it's a little long for a field goal, and I don't think anyone watching the game or in the building thought Tyler Bass was making that field goal. So they go for it.

00:18:25 Speaker_04
And it turns out to be like a signature awesome Josh Allen play, but you know, we make fun of coaches all the time. I thought it was clearly you gotta go for it. Romo thought the same thing.

00:18:36 Speaker_04
And then you just put, he was, that's what Romo said I think before the play, like you gotta put this in Josh's hands.

00:18:41 Speaker_04
You have to let Josh decide the game, which is what they did, and he ends up coming up with a signature play, but it was a tough one for, everyone who had the Chiefs in a tease.

00:18:50 Speaker_02
I was going to say, you didn't have to beat him by nine.

00:18:52 Speaker_04
It was just brutal. I had multiple teases in real life, a million dollar picks. Sheil Kapadia, our guy, tweeted after the game, 124 Mahomes games. How many times has he lost by more than eight points?

00:19:08 Speaker_02
I know it was 19 before the last loss. No, more than eight. More than eight.

00:19:18 Speaker_04
Uh, more than eight points, 15, five. Jesus.

00:19:25 Speaker_02
Wow.

00:19:25 Speaker_04
That made me feel worse about my two teasers. I had them with Pittsburgh. I had them with Denver, my Detroit minus three, two and a half. Like I just, God,

00:19:35 Speaker_02
And we needed, of course, I had it too, but we're like, 30-24 will be all right. Casey needs two scores. It'll be a soft Buffalo defense, right? They'll come down, they'll kick a field goal.

00:19:44 Speaker_02
I don't know who was kicking, you know, Butker sat out, which is such a girly thing to do. Good thing he's super secure. But I don't know what they, I thought we were gonna cut it to six and we were gonna be all right, but we didn't get there.

00:19:57 Speaker_04
This is how you really know the game didn't matter for the chiefs.

00:20:00 Speaker_04
Mahomes had that huge scramble to the 30 when they were down nine, where they could have like, you know, either try to go for a TD or kick field goal called back flag on the play holding on the chiefs. It was like, Oh my God.

00:20:14 Speaker_04
Wow, they called a penalty on the Chiefs in a crunch time moment and pulled back a Mahomes play. We've made fucking history. And then Chiefs fans get mad when you bring this up, but it's just a fact. Those things never get called for them ever.

00:20:28 Speaker_04
But for some reason, that one got called. And that was, that was it for our teams.

00:20:31 Speaker_02
Both things could be true. They're a great, great team. Great team that gets crazy calls. A dynasty, potentially, and they get calls at the end, yeah.

00:20:38 Speaker_04
I mean, their whole dynasty started out with the Dee Ford penalty, where they lose to the Pats, and then since then, that was against them, and since then, they've had some good ones.

00:20:50 Speaker_04
But Buffalo, I mean, you mentioned it earlier, 19 carries for 49 yards. I thought big picture, I said this last week to you, and it's a weird point to make, Good loss for the Chiefs, as weird as that sounds. Get that undefeated thing over with.

00:21:05 Speaker_04
Now you don't have to worry about it. Just get through it. You don't have the pressure of it. I still feel like that 0-7 pass, which I wanted them to go undefeated. I'm not saying I would take that back. That was so much fun. I loved that season.

00:21:19 Speaker_04
But they're better off if Baltimore beats them in that Monday night game. the whole season's different in a good way, and I think they'd probably win the Super Bowl if they lose that game. So for the Chiefs, it's fine.

00:21:28 Speaker_04
If they're gonna go 15-2, 14-3, whatever it is, they're gonna win the AFC.

00:21:32 Speaker_02
You just don't wanna lose that one seed, right? Where do you think the one seed is more important, in the AFC or the NFC? I kinda think the AFC.

00:21:39 Speaker_04
I think in the NFC it's almost a wrap at this point with Detroit's schedule. I think they'd have to have like five more injuries. I don't think it matters much to the Chiefs because it feels like they could just go and win anywhere, right?

00:21:52 Speaker_04
I think it would matter more for Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh got it, like when you think like how, how, how kind of crummy Russ was today. and they were still able to pull one out. I kind of feel like home field is mandatory.

00:22:05 Speaker_04
I don't even, not even positive. We'll talk about that game later. I'm not even positive what they do for the quarterback situation going forward, because Russ was not great, but Fields comes in.

00:22:17 Speaker_04
Fields comes in and slides a yard before the marker in a game that would end it. Additional thoughts out of this. So are the Lions officially the best team now? I think they are, right?

00:22:29 Speaker_02
Well, according to FanDuel, and the odds makers, this is not only the first time this year, the first time ever they're favored to win the Super Bowl. Is that true? That is true. I wouldn't make something up like that.

00:22:43 Speaker_02
Was that one of our FanDuel people told us that? No, I'm just looking at, oh no, I saw multiple people reported it on Twitter, but they're plus 420, Casey plus 500, Ravens plus 650, Bills seven and one.

00:22:57 Speaker_02
First time ever, they've been playing for 309 years.

00:23:00 Speaker_04
We have not a small amount of Lions futures.

00:23:05 Speaker_02
No, right.

00:23:06 Speaker_04
With the one seed, with the NFC North, with the conference.

00:23:09 Speaker_02
Best record.

00:23:09 Speaker_04
Super Bowl matchup, best record, so the better they do at that. Yeah, so Detroit's plus 420, KC is five to one. Baltimore plus 950 on FanDuel, or 650. No, 650, yeah. 650, Buffalo seven to one.

00:23:26 Speaker_04
Eagles nine to one, and then the Niners are the sixth team right now, 14 to one. I don't understand that at all.

00:23:31 Speaker_02
They're not even favored to win the division, but they're. Yeah, I don't get that.

00:23:34 Speaker_04
Plus when you watch them, they're not passing the eye test either. So who's the MVP favorite then? Because. We'll get to Lamar after the break, but it wasn't like Lamar was lighting it on fire. So Josh Allen, now the MVP favorite, plus 150.

00:23:50 Speaker_04
Lamar's two to one, because he sucked today. He didn't suck. He didn't suck.

00:23:57 Speaker_03
Tucker missed two field goals. Lamar was fine. He didn't suck. Stop it. He didn't suck.

00:24:03 Speaker_02
We were talking about January, Lamar is back. I asked you, I was like, do you think at halftime the players have wished him a happy new year? Because it's January all over again for that guy.

00:24:14 Speaker_04
His weight load is starting? Yeah, it was January, Lamar was in rare form. Mahomes is 12-1 to win the MVP at this point. Justin Herbert at 25-1, not interesting. if they ran the slate. I'm just thinking for long shot bets.

00:24:30 Speaker_02
Gotta be a top two seed, which is why I think Jared Goff, he had that pitiful performance last week, but I think he went out and said, hey, I got five interceptions last week. Can you get me 14 touchdowns today? Can we score on our first seven drives?

00:24:44 Speaker_02
Can I climb back in this race? Everyone just be open. And they were. We're taking a break for the podcast.

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Valid for new U.S. customers only. Pittsburgh, Baltimore. You mentioned earlier, January Lamar is back. Chris Boswell. Fantasy MVP today, six field goals.

00:27:15 Speaker_04
He had 25 points in our league, prompting Hench, our buddy, to have a conniption about field goal kickers and should we just eliminate them from leagues and all that stuff. I gotta say, I actually kinda like having field goal kickers.

00:27:31 Speaker_02
Oh, you do? Yeah, I do. I do, I like it. I like not having to worry about it. But Hench, to be fair, when Burrow has 46 points, he wants to eliminate quarterbacks too, so he's a little all over the place.

00:27:44 Speaker_02
But it's kind of lucky, but we also, we could have guessed that exact score, right? It was either going to be 18-16, 18-17, or 19-18. Only three options, really. Perfectly scripted.

00:27:58 Speaker_04
All the Steelers scores are scores that sound like they were a World War or an American War from the 1700s or 1800s. I wrote down 2024 Steelers, the most likely team in NFL history to win 18 to 16. It's the most Steelers-y score you can get. So Russ,

00:28:18 Speaker_04
through a red zone pick that was among the worst passes of the year that felt like it was gonna flip the game and did not. He was two for nine in the red zone for seven yards.

00:28:28 Speaker_02
When he escaped that sack, he had to escape a crazy sack to get there. And I was like, wow, that's 2014 Russ. And then it's like, oh, that's 2022 Russ right there with that interception.

00:28:40 Speaker_04
That's post-COVID Russ.

00:28:43 Speaker_04
So they're eight and two, and yet, and their defense was really good today, even though they got some help with the field goal kicking, but the Russ thing combined with only really having one receiver, I just worry about them in January.

00:29:00 Speaker_04
The fact that they're eight and two with all the Pittsburgh, like I have a bunch of futures for them. Seems like they have a really good chance to win the division now, but just big picture.

00:29:10 Speaker_04
It just feels like they're not gonna be able to get to 20 points in a playoff game like this. It feels like 18-19 is probably the limit for them, right?

00:29:19 Speaker_02
Well, is there any scenario where he's not the worst quarterback in the AFC playoffs?

00:29:24 Speaker_04
Oh, now that Bo Nix is looking like he's coming out of a sports movie. This is a big one for you. You have a lot of Bo Nix stock.

00:29:32 Speaker_02
I think he tightened that Offensive Rookie of the Year gap there. Yeah, I just, here's something interesting before we move on from Baltimore-Pittsburgh. Burrow nine touchdowns against Baltimore combined in two games. Didn't walk away with a win.

00:29:47 Speaker_02
Steelers had no touchdowns today, 18-16.

00:29:53 Speaker_04
No touchdowns.

00:29:54 Speaker_02
It's a fun league.

00:29:56 Speaker_04
Russ was 23 for 36 for 205, but it's that second receiver thing. So Pickens was eight for 89 and made his, every week he makes just an unbelievable catch that you just can't believe. Number two receiver was Washington, two for 42.

00:30:13 Speaker_04
Fryermuth was two for 14. Calvin Austin was one for minus one. Skaronic was one for four. And that's it for their receivers. And at some point, that's gonna come back to bite them. But their defense was great.

00:30:29 Speaker_04
Queen got an awesome, awesome, awesome turnover for them that they really needed. And I hate to say phrases like this, but they kind of have Lamar's number. He's one of four against him now and it feels legit, right?

00:30:43 Speaker_02
Yeah. I don't know what, like, I don't know. This is the team Lamar doesn't want to play in the playoffs. I think he's going to get his wish too. And he's going to have to do it on the road because they can't beat them.

00:30:53 Speaker_02
And you know, but Henry didn't go for one 15 either. That was another thing like this defense is. is damn good when they need to be. But they really do have to figure out the quarterback thing. I feel bad for Tomlin.

00:31:05 Speaker_02
When Fields is sliding, you mentioned it, like the thick white 40 stripe is the first down and he's sliding like two yards short. It was like a Johnny Knoxville fail video or something.

00:31:17 Speaker_04
They're two running backs for 27 for 104. It felt worse watching it. It felt like they were having trouble getting unlocked, but they moved the chains enough, I guess. Defense is great. Didn't get defense, field goal kicking.

00:31:34 Speaker_04
Good special teams, home field advantage for a couple rounds. They're going to be heard from. I have a lot of questions about them winning on the road though with what we've seen from us the last two weeks.

00:31:46 Speaker_04
And fields isn't going to be any better than that. Alright, next one. Oh, speaking of that game. Justin Tucker as the guy you're afraid of for big kicks. We already knew it was coming, but today kind of cemented it.

00:32:00 Speaker_02
I'm afraid of him. If I bet the Ravens, I'm afraid of him. But yeah, this, uh, but I guess last year he was maybe not just as bad, but really bad from 50 plus. So they can see the writing on the wall with this guy.

00:32:13 Speaker_04
One other thing. So the Christmas game, one of them on Netflix is, Pittsburgh, Kansas city, which we were talking about last week, maybe not mattering if Casey had this crazy record, but now it's probably going to matter.

00:32:25 Speaker_04
And that is suddenly an amazing Christmas game. If they're separated by one game, it's going to be like the opposite of Mike Tyson against Jake Paul.

00:32:35 Speaker_02
Oh, that was pretty good. I don't know, I don't know what you were watching. We're saving that.

00:32:39 Speaker_04
Just for people listening, Sal and I will be talking about that fight.

00:32:42 Speaker_02
We watched together, yes. Yeah, we did watch together. Yeah, that's a good one. Our family's gonna hate us on Christmas. We're gonna be glued to that one. It'll be good.

00:32:49 Speaker_04
Yeah, I felt like my family already didn't like me that much on Christmas, but I feel like this could be taking it to the next level. Another game that really jumped out that was awesome, San Francisco, Seattle.

00:33:01 Speaker_02
This is the one that killed me. San Francisco? Of course, on a Moneyline Parlay all over the place. Oh no. What do you mean, oh no, they had it.

00:33:09 Speaker_04
Green Bay was my Moneyline Parlay that felt like it should have lost and miraculously won.

00:33:14 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:33:15 Speaker_04
Which we'll get to. But yeah, Geno, seventh game-winning drive in the fourth quarter OT since 2023.

00:33:24 Speaker_02
Well, how did they do that? I know Bosa went off and they were helpless, right? But how about contain Gino a little bit? He shouldn't be running around like 2006 Michael Vick, right? He's wide open on the runs, too. Nobody's there.

00:33:37 Speaker_02
They only blitzed him once today. I don't know if they're going to keep that up. If Shanahan's... Yeah, they kept it up and he just went for whatever he wanted. Could have run through the end zone.

00:33:46 Speaker_04
I really respect Gino, the confidence he has after it goes right for him, how he behaves after. He's like really, really a lot of charisma about it.

00:33:56 Speaker_04
And it's like, but what about those 10 terrible throws you made earlier in the game and that fumble or the inner, but it, that like all of it gets wiped away in the crunch time.

00:34:04 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:34:04 Speaker_04
Just does too. But, and yet.

00:34:06 Speaker_02
That division is crazy.

00:34:08 Speaker_04
Crazy. So we have not only the year from hell for San Francisco, but we're now in a situation where Arizona's six and four, and the other three teams are five and five in the NFC West. And it feels like that division's sending two teams.

00:34:24 Speaker_04
But the shocking. Yeah, I think so.

00:34:28 Speaker_02
So who's out then, Washington or Green Bay?

00:34:32 Speaker_04
Detroit, Philly, Minnesota, Green Bay, Washington, Arizona, Atlanta. Oh shit, you're right. So somebody would have to take Washington's spot, but I feel like somebody could take Washington's spot.

00:34:43 Speaker_04
I mean, they're seven and four and should be six and five and they're arrow pointing down. So they do play the Cowboys.

00:34:51 Speaker_04
Do you feel any difference between Washington, Seattle, San Francisco, and the Rams after watching football for the last four weeks?

00:34:57 Speaker_02
San Francisco's gonna be the team that's maybe not that good that I'm gonna hold on to and I'm gonna keep betting. I'm gonna figure out a way to bet them in the second round of the playoffs even though they were eliminated like two weeks before.

00:35:07 Speaker_04
There's no more dangerous football team than the team that you keep waiting for them to figure it out because you know how much talent they have and then it's weak.

00:35:18 Speaker_04
Week 19, and you're like, oh, they're not in the playoffs, and they went five and 12 against the spread this year. And I had them in nine of the 12 games they didn't cover.

00:35:26 Speaker_02
And you shake me in my sleep, and I'm like, ah, McCaffrey's back, McCaffrey's back. Like, yeah, it doesn't matter, they can't beat anybody. Arizona's favorite now, the one in the division, plus 100, Niners 270, Seahawks 5-1, and the Rams 5-1.

00:35:40 Speaker_04
When do you think Arizona was favored to win the division the last time? Like, Carson Palmer? 2013, 14 range?

00:35:50 Speaker_02
Earlier? Yeah, right in there, that's a good question. They have the easiest schedule. I mean, San Francisco is like, what, you're about to read it, but six of the last seven are dogfights.

00:36:03 Speaker_04
Yeah, well, the bigger problem is they're one and three in the NFC West. the worst record and they only have two games left, but they got at Green Bay at Buffalo next to home Chicago home Rams on a Thursday at Miami home Detroit at Arizona.

00:36:23 Speaker_02
Those are all rough. I mean, I thought that last game would mean something, but it really might not. It might be wrapped by then for them.

00:36:31 Speaker_04
So they'd have to go five and two with all those games. I mean, you go through all the NFC West teams, and really the only team that seems to have a semi-easy schedule is Arizona. And their next two are at Seattle, at Minnesota.

00:36:47 Speaker_04
Not exactly easy, but at least they have home Seattle, home Pats, at Carolina, at the Rams, home San Francisco. Like, there's a path to go four and three for them and get to 10 wins, but.

00:36:58 Speaker_02
Yeah, they're the only ones with Panthers on their schedule, I think, right?

00:37:01 Speaker_04
I could see you texting me on Monday with some NFC West division bet that we'll probably do, and then a week later we'll have a different team.

00:37:09 Speaker_02
We'll be done.

00:37:09 Speaker_04
We'll just keep betting that dumb division over and over again.

00:37:13 Speaker_02
Well, here's the thing. So Seattle and the Rams are similar in that they're gonna kick you in the gut if you sleep on them, right? But then if you bet them, they're gonna lose, right? They're just like...

00:37:25 Speaker_02
they're gonna come back from the dead and you're just gonna lose your mind trying to catch up to which zag they're on or zigging or not.

00:37:34 Speaker_04
I 90% agree with that and yet, When I watch Seattle sometimes, I'm like, why aren't these guys better? I think Kenneth Walker's good. I think their receivers are excellent. I think Gino could move the ball.

00:37:46 Speaker_04
I feel like when they're down four with three minutes left, I feel like they can actually go down the field and score. How many teams would you even say that about?

00:37:54 Speaker_02
Holding a 49ers parlay slip, I felt the same way, yeah.

00:37:59 Speaker_04
a couple more games that really stood out, and a delightful day. So Detroit-Jacksonville was beautiful because there were eight games early, and this one allowed Detroit to immediately come off a TV. I had the multi-view and the big TV.

00:38:14 Speaker_04
I had Green Bay-Chicago by itself, and then I had the other TV with the three games. Detroit-Jacksonville just got to come off.

00:38:22 Speaker_02
I left it on because I wasn't sure if they were gonna escort Coach Middleseed out or not. I didn't wanna miss that, right? Like getting fired at halftime? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just pull up in like some kind of like a hearse and just cart him away.

00:38:36 Speaker_02
My goodness.

00:38:39 Speaker_04
Here lies Coach Middleseed. He beat Belichick and Brady in a Super Bowl, Nick Foles, and then became one of the worst coaches in the last 10 years. There's no rhyme or reason to it. And then it's reported yesterday that this is probably his last game.

00:38:56 Speaker_04
So he's dead man walking, and Jacksonville responds by giving up touchdowns on their first seven drives against them. And there's 52 to six. I'm gonna say he's gonna get fired tomorrow.

00:39:07 Speaker_02
The GM needs to see you, bring your boarding pass please. You're here in row 27B. On Greyhound, by the way, you have the middle seat on the bus back. But you know what they should do?

00:39:19 Speaker_02
Because he has that statue outside of Philly, right outside the stadium. They should have, to punish him, they should have the guy who did Dwayne Wade's statue redo his statue. That should be the FU for this miserable, miserable Jacksonville team.

00:39:33 Speaker_04
My God. Well, this could be a battle of checks the next game.

00:39:37 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:39:39 Speaker_04
We've talked about Ford, new stadium coming. I guess it depends how excited you are about Trevor Lawrence. We have learned that Mack Jones, maybe it wasn't just New England's situation. He just might not be a starting quarterback.

00:39:51 Speaker_04
So what was the tweet we saw about all the big spread Lions bets that hit?

00:40:00 Speaker_02
Oh, the escalator thing? I could find it.

00:40:04 Speaker_04
Yeah. I sometimes I wonder if that's the thing that we're fucking up the most out of. We move bet every year on football and just like identifying who the best team in the league is. And they always win at least three games by 30 points.

00:40:19 Speaker_04
And why aren't we just playing that? Because you could have taken lines over Jags plus. put 30 and a half, whatever, and all of a sudden that's 12 to one, and all you need to do is take one of those and it covers 12 weeks of bets.

00:40:32 Speaker_02
So yeah, minus 27 and a half plus five, 20, minus 32 and a half, 10 to one, minus 38 and a half, 20 to one. If you bet the team total adjusted over 44 and a half, that was 850. Yeah, we missed out on a lot of free money. They're damn good.

00:40:49 Speaker_04
Colts Jets. You know, Rogers has a Netflix special coming out in December about like a, it's like the last year with Aaron Rogers. I'm waiting for the joke. Go ahead. I, that is the joke. Really?

00:41:03 Speaker_04
You think they were, they were thinking, uh, Oh, well this would be good. The jets will be good. And then we'll drop this Rogers thing. Like, does anyone want to hear one minute of Rogers at this point?

00:41:17 Speaker_05
Do you think McAfee wants to talk to him for an hour? Who wants to hear from him?

00:41:21 Speaker_02
If you're ever gonna have buffering issues, that's the time, Netflix. Go get it. Do it during the.

00:41:26 Speaker_04
Try to get the same buffer guy from the Jake Paul Tyson fight. Use it for your, he just looks like he doesn't wanna get hit anymore. And it's the final stage of QBs.

00:41:36 Speaker_04
We've seen it a lot of times with older guys who used to be good and that last stage where they're just getting rid of the ball before somebody dings them, that's it. Doesn't come back. Right? I know, you're like a pig in shit right now.

00:41:52 Speaker_02
I won't do this every week, but just let me, or you can cut it out of the podcast, I don't care.

00:41:56 Speaker_04
No, we're not cutting it out. Plus, we're live on YouTube. Go do your thing.

00:41:59 Speaker_02
Well, they have eight losses. They're not gonna go over their win total, which is nine and a half, which I thought was preposterous anyway, right? I mean, my team sucks, but I knew the Jets weren't going over nine and a half.

00:42:08 Speaker_02
They can't make the playoffs. A couple numbers for you. Winning percentages, Jets starters, Zach Wilson, 364, Sam Darnold, 342, Aaron Rodgers, 273. Sit down, you phony.

00:42:23 Speaker_02
You led New York to believe you could lead them to the playoffs and you're the fraud of all frauds. You brought all your friends in. Yeah, who couldn't catch a pass, you got the coach fired.

00:42:34 Speaker_02
Somehow the best defense in football isn't excited to play for you and now they're middle of the pack or worse. There's got to be some accountability. There's got to be.

00:42:45 Speaker_02
Of course, there's the personal stuff where he alluded to the idea that my cousin was on the Epstein Island flight log and the list comes out. And he, of course, wasn't, but the guy Rogers likely voted for was. Classic, classic douchebag.

00:42:57 Speaker_02
And now we're going to see a phantom injury in the next couple of weeks. So how's that for a conspiracy theory? You like that? Wow. Sorry. Sorry. Take it. Take it, smart guy. He's so damn smart. So well read. He's got to tell us all about it all the time.

00:43:13 Speaker_02
What's he going to do now?

00:43:16 Speaker_04
I'd be surprised if he played next year.

00:43:20 Speaker_02
Right next year, he's, he's going to find something to sit out next week, I think. Oh, you think it'll be the, uh, the calf strain.

00:43:27 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:43:28 Speaker_04
They're worried. It could be a come a tourniquet ways. If he steps on it wrong again, I didn't know how their backup is.

00:43:35 Speaker_02
They could blame, uh, blame the bad field there at MetLife, whatever, whatever's next.

00:43:40 Speaker_04
Well, didn't they give up a third round pick for, for Adams?

00:43:45 Speaker_02
No, it was. Was it third? Was it three? Yeah, I think it was.

00:43:47 Speaker_04
That might be one of the top six picks of the third round. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good, good. I love it. I love it.

00:43:54 Speaker_04
As I've said many times, I have a kinship with the Jets fans because the Pats and the Jets were the two sad sacks of the entire AFC, like for most of the 30 years of my life. And I think we're wired the same way DNA in a lot of ways.

00:44:11 Speaker_04
Then the Pats fans life changed, the Jets fans did not. But this was like, honestly, this two years of Rodgers, it was almost cruel. Starting with him blowing out his Achilles immediately and then all the other stuff.

00:44:25 Speaker_04
I just can't think of, it's one of the worst free agent, or I guess it was a trade, it's one of the worst veteran acquisitions in the history of the NFL. And they fell for it again, right?

00:44:36 Speaker_02
And they're trading assets to help him and they're firing people and everything. He had everything laid out for him. And Shane Steichen tried to blow that game today. How many times?

00:44:46 Speaker_04
Can we talk about that? I asked Lombardi. Lombardi's the master of the nicknames. He came up with the clapper. He came up with this jockey, Mike McCarthy. I was like, I was like, can you, what's the Shane Steichen nickname? And he's texted us back.

00:45:03 Speaker_04
Uh, he is like, he, he put, he coaches like he's playing somebody online in Thailand. So we were calling him Thailand Shane. The guy I'm playing on Twitch, his stream went out in Thailand. So anyway, Thailand Shane.

00:45:21 Speaker_04
I think the key thing for him is that there seems to be I was thinking like he's in a dark room just shouting out plays and doesn't know the score, the downs, or the situation.

00:45:30 Speaker_03
He's just like, ah, erode 45.

00:45:32 Speaker_04
Has no idea what's going on. The best of all of them was the two point conversion with Richardson. They go up by one. They need the two points.

00:45:41 Speaker_04
Yeah, it's like, I wonder if Richardson can wait for a guy to cross the middle and then loft a beautiful touch pass.

00:45:49 Speaker_05
I'm like, I am positive Richardson can't do this. There's no way. Never happened in practice.

00:45:53 Speaker_04
No way. There's no way this, whatever. But at the same time, Richardson, which is what makes him so interesting, he can't throw a four yard screen pass. He has no touch on a pass like that. And yet he'll rifle a 25 yarder.

00:46:05 Speaker_04
perfectly or he'll nail somebody down the sidelines or he'll run around and he looks like, you know, giant Cam Newton. And you're like, this guy is clearly something. He's not a bust.

00:46:16 Speaker_02
Yeah, but how about you recognize that, Shane Steichen, right? Like, you're with them all week. You don't just inherit them at 1 p.m. Eastern on a Sunday, right?

00:46:25 Speaker_02
You see the limitations and everything else, and it's like, fit them in where it's, like, I don't know, I don't love golf, but you wouldn't use a sand wedge to hit a ball that was 10 feet from the hole, right?

00:46:37 Speaker_02
Like, just figure out where he works best, and they eventually did. It took a minute, but they won.

00:46:43 Speaker_04
Yeah, so Lombardi's podcast is the GM Shuffle, and I'm sure he's going to talk about this tomorrow, but one thing he said that I'm going to steal, but I'm giving him credit. He calls the game exactly the same, whether it's Flacco or Steichen.

00:46:57 Speaker_04
That's what Lombardi, Flacco or Richardson. That's what Lombardi said, and I was like, that's such a great point.

00:47:02 Speaker_04
You have Richardson, you have this massive guy that you would think you could run QB draws with, you could roll him out almost like a giant fullback, like he's Bronco Nagurski, and yet they're running these goofy plays. I don't get it.

00:47:16 Speaker_04
I, I support the benching from a couple of weeks ago cause I really thought Richardson looked terrible, but obviously they worked his confidence back.

00:47:24 Speaker_02
Um, can I, um, what's their record now? Because they're, they're, yes, they're five and six. They're only plus one 48 to make the playoffs. Are they, they don't really scare me.

00:47:37 Speaker_04
They're five and six, basically the case for them would be.

00:47:41 Speaker_02
They must have an easy schedule, but I don't even know what that would look like.

00:47:44 Speaker_04
Well, there's two pieces. One is they're a game beyond Denver, do you trust Denver?

00:47:48 Speaker_04
The other is they're only two games in the last combine, Houston, who keeps losing guys and just seems like they can never get all their guys healthy at the same time and haven't been that impressive to begin with.

00:48:00 Speaker_04
You know, Houston's six and four, they've scored 224 points, they've given up 226. So maybe the odds factor into that. Frustrating game.

00:48:11 Speaker_02
Yeah, I guess they have a couple easy ones. And they play at Denver, that's another one. Denver's gonna have an interesting way of controlling their own destiny here. They have the Colts and they have Cincinnati.

00:48:24 Speaker_04
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Couple more quick games, Bears Packers. So Caleb was good today. Yeah. And they changed a lot about him. He was getting the ball, getting rid of the ball a lot faster. I thought he was way more involved, just as like a quarterback and a leader.

00:49:47 Speaker_04
And he just seemed like he had more energy. I thought they outplayed the Packers. I would be alarmed if I was a Packers fan, because you should have lost. And you didn't lose, because the Bears drove down inside, what, the 30.

00:50:01 Speaker_04
Iberflues just decides to, I wanna be careful here, I'm gonna try to play for the outdoor 46-yard field goal. The Bears fans all hate Iberflues, and this is why, because he does shit like this. He's just not a terrible game management coach.

00:50:16 Speaker_04
But I thought they should have won, and I'll go further, Sal. They lost that Tennessee game in week one that I think you bet on.

00:50:24 Speaker_02
Yes, I did.

00:50:25 Speaker_04
Right. Oh, no, they won that game. No, they won.

00:50:27 Speaker_02
They won against Caleb Williams in his first game. Yeah.

00:50:30 Speaker_04
So they lost that Hail Mary game. They lost someone today. So they they could at least be six and five.

00:50:36 Speaker_02
Sure.

00:50:37 Speaker_04
Maybe maybe it evens out with that. They shouldn't have won the Tennessee game. I don't know. But whatever it is, their record should be at least one run better.

00:50:44 Speaker_02
That, yes, and I really think, I mean, that Hail Mary really spooked the hell out of, I don't know, what do we call it? Like the haunted Hail Mary, the Curse of Caleb, the Windy City Whisperer, like really, I don't know.

00:50:57 Speaker_02
The ghost of Shane Waldron, like that was, that really, they can't, and now nobody blocks on field goals, field goal attempts. Like, hey, how about you guys block?

00:51:05 Speaker_04
I would say the Hail Mary, the Hail Mary was almost like, like the whole team had a car accident. It was like a traumatic event.

00:51:11 Speaker_02
It's like, hey, get over it, guys. It was three weeks ago. But there's also the part of it where, what are they, lost 11 in a row to Green Bay?

00:51:19 Speaker_02
Like eventually they had to be like, all right, we gotta get, by the way, they shoved this rivalry down our throats, the league does.

00:51:25 Speaker_02
They're greatest in football, even though you and I can't remember a good competitive game that we cared about between these two in the last quarter century. But so.

00:51:34 Speaker_04
But I think the reason it's special is just because the teams have been around since like the, 19 pounds or whatever the fuck, that's it.

00:51:41 Speaker_02
I'm not saying I agree. And we can't remember any good game from that.

00:51:46 Speaker_04
So we had a great Matt LaFleur moment in this game too. This was not, I wouldn't have called this a chess match today. They have first down and goal from the eight. They're trying to score to take the lead late in the game.

00:51:57 Speaker_04
Somehow it ends up being fourth and six. There's still like, I don't know, 10, 11 minutes left. kick the field goal, cut it to two, try to get a stop. Nope. He goes for it on fourth and six, doesn't get it, and traps the Bears at the one yard line.

00:52:11 Speaker_04
But unless there's like two minutes left in the game, It's just idiotic. There's no other way to say it. That's just idiotic. It's so hard to get a fourth and two, much less a fourth and six.

00:52:26 Speaker_04
So many, you're basically hoping for like a pass interference or a defensive breakdown or some sort of like gimmick play that the play broke down and your quarterback rolled out and created something.

00:52:38 Speaker_04
So I just didn't think Green Bay deserved to win that game.

00:52:41 Speaker_02
For the most part, you gotta take points in these rivalry games, right? In the division games. Again, the rivalry, whatever.

00:52:47 Speaker_02
But in division games, we saw the Steelers do it against Baltimore, and you don't have to be super careful, but it would've helped the 49ers, a lot of these teams.

00:52:57 Speaker_04
I thought the Packers had a chance to be better than maybe they're gonna be. kind of giving up on them a little bit. But we have seen around Thanksgiving, somebody comes out of nowhere in a sense, heading into the playoffs.

00:53:10 Speaker_04
Can't rule them out because of their talent, but I think it's been, it's a disappointing, I thought they had a chance to be the second best team in the NFC, and from what I'm watching, I don't see it.

00:53:20 Speaker_02
Well, it's two, right? It's like, oh, they should be better. But also, like, you know, if you live predicted their fate after, like, love went down in Brazil. True. They're like, well, how are they going to be? They can't be seven and three.

00:53:33 Speaker_02
And here they are.

00:53:35 Speaker_04
I texted Kyle Brandt in the first half, because Caleb really did look good. I was like, Caleb, exclamation point. And he's like, don't worry, we're going to lose late. He's a Bears fan. He's like, there's no question we're losing late.

00:53:48 Speaker_04
And that's what happened. Speaking of coaching scared, Gerard Mayo, the Pats yet again lost the game that they probably could have won. The play calling was... I thought we were doing better. No, because Drake Bay is really special.

00:54:09 Speaker_04
And I feel like if you had just switched quarterbacks, we would have had the same result. Maybe he would have done better.

00:54:14 Speaker_04
But there's the thing on ESPN about all the coaching mistakes, like not going for the fourth and goal, doing a PAT instead of a two point when it was 28, 19, et cetera, et cetera. And then this is what the article says.

00:54:29 Speaker_04
Such decisions are always easy to second guess, but none worked out for the Patriots. Mayo has said he's taking notes throughout his first season and plans to learn from his experience. This game presented multiple decisions from which he can learn.

00:54:42 Speaker_02
Wow.

00:54:43 Speaker_04
It's week 11. Yeah.

00:54:46 Speaker_02
This sounds like something you, if you get an F on your report card and you come home and tell your parents, like, yeah, I'm taking notes, though. I'm gonna kill geometry next semester.

00:54:54 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think my son said this last year when he was struggling in the 10th grade. Like, hey, I know my grades are bad, but I'm learning some good stuff. May over here, Ben Simmons? Yeah, I think that's what happened.

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It's so far, like Kyle and I were going nuts, because they just don't, I just, Here's my advice for the Patriots, if anyone from the Patriots is listening. No, I'm sure they aren't.

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Go and watch the 50 most successful Josh Allen plays, and the 50 most successful John Elway plays. Just study what those plays were, and then run some of them for Drake May.

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Because every time he rolls out to his right, he can throw it across his body in the middle of the field, he can zing it down the sideline, he can throw it deep, he can take off and run. Any QB draw with him, he's dangerous.

00:55:40 Speaker_04
The teams are so terrified he's going to take off. They hand off on every first down. It's like we have to start out, so it's second and nine or second and 11. That's a must. The receivers, at one point he was 10 for 13 with three drops.

00:55:55 Speaker_04
All of his receivers suck. They spend a second round pick on a guy who all he does is get a false start whenever he's on the field. Meanwhile, McConkie went nuts again today. But it's just like they have this incredible asset.

00:56:08 Speaker_04
It's like watching a team that has a diamond and they're like fucking playing Thanksgiving catch with it outside.

00:56:14 Speaker_02
Yeah. Wow. This is more biting than my Aaron Rodgers eulogy. That's frustrating.

00:56:18 Speaker_04
No, but I think Jake May is really good.

00:56:20 Speaker_02
This is going to make you feel better, but at some point talent matters and not his, but the supporting cast. And that's why the Rams were so good. Puka Nakula almost broke both of his elbows, making that crazy catch that first touchdown.

00:56:33 Speaker_02
And, um, they also, I don't really care because that was my best bet. The Rams minus four and a half.

00:56:38 Speaker_04
And you somehow fucking covered, you son of a bitch.

00:56:40 Speaker_02
Yeah, baby, somehow. We're up two touchdowns, nine and two on the year. Best handicapper on TV, radio, podcast, YouTube.

00:56:49 Speaker_04
McVay said, he looks like a stud. Blah, blah, blah, you can just see the impact that he has on his teammates, the way people talk about him here. He looks like he's gonna be a special player for a long time and he gave us fits today.

00:57:04 Speaker_04
Thanks, Sean McVay. You're in a good spot.

00:57:06 Speaker_02
We're in a great spot. You want to go 7-10? You want to go 8-9?

00:57:09 Speaker_04
My dad said that today. It's a perfect outcome. Jake did enough good stuff to make you feel great. The team did enough terrible stuff to end up losing the game.

00:57:21 Speaker_06
Perfect.

00:57:22 Speaker_04
There you go. Broncos, Falcons, Bo Nicks, it's the beginning of October. Only two picks, 13 passing touchdowns, over 1,600 yards passing, and he was awesome in that game today.

00:57:36 Speaker_02
Didn't it seem like some of these teams, they wear these uniforms, and it's like, oh man, they look so fast. Denver was getting, he was hitting these guys in stride. There was no doubt that they were open. Is Atlanta that bad?

00:57:49 Speaker_02
We know that's a junk division, but my God.

00:57:53 Speaker_04
That was my favorite pick of the week. I just think the Falcons, whatever their record is, it could easily have been three wins worse. And I think the Broncos are, I've said this for weeks, I think they're the good bad team.

00:58:06 Speaker_04
I think if you put another mediocre or worse team in front of them, they're probably gonna win. That's a really nice bounce back for them after what happened last week. But here's my takeaway after watching that game.

00:58:20 Speaker_04
Can you guess what Atlanta's odds are to win the NFC South?

00:58:24 Speaker_02
I think I might've seen him by accident. Is it minus 400 or something like that?

00:58:29 Speaker_04
They're minus 550 to win the NFC South.

00:58:32 Speaker_02
Yeah. Look at Tampa's schedule.

00:58:38 Speaker_04
Tampa's five to one. And their schedule is super easy down the stretch, right?

00:58:44 Speaker_02
Yeah, I saw that.

00:58:45 Speaker_04
And by the way, New Orleans somehow has four wins, too, with the Clogger. Oh, the Clogger. Clogger's 2-0. He's the best. Unclogging Cleveland all over the place. So Tampa's at the Giants, at Carolina, home Vegas, next three. Look at those three. Wow.

00:59:00 Speaker_04
So that could be... They could have seven wins in three weeks. Keep going. At Chargers, at Dallas, home Carolina, home Saints. They could be six and one. We're betting this.

00:59:12 Speaker_02
Let's do it.

00:59:13 Speaker_04
We're betting on Tampa five to one.

00:59:15 Speaker_02
We're putting money in this terrible division. I said I wouldn't do it, but I guess 12 weeks is long enough to hold out there. This is like Seinfeld, the contest, like how long can you last without betting the NFC sale? I'm in.

00:59:30 Speaker_04
Panics came in and it was super exciting because Cousins looked like he was 130 years old. I thought that was the dumbest line of the week. So two weeks in a row as we've done Guess the Lines.

00:59:39 Speaker_04
And there was a line, and I was like, that's absolutely addicts. So I wonder if that happens again this week. I'm gonna bet even more money.

00:59:44 Speaker_02
I think you're right, because two weeks ago, they had gotten blown out by the Ravens. It could have been easy for them to pack it in, and then they lose on that dumb field goal to the Chiefs, and then they just light it up today.

00:59:55 Speaker_02
But yeah, they went over their win total five and a half already.

00:59:59 Speaker_04
Two weeks ago, Cardinals-Jets was the dumbest sign. So we'll see if we have a dumb line this week. Saints-Browns, so Jameis is 21 and 33 in his last 54 starts. Did you think that would be better or worse?

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I might have been wrong about him. I thought he would turn the franchise around.

01:00:16 Speaker_05
He might not be a winning QB.

01:00:17 Speaker_02
Yeah, I got really excited about this is a revenge game and the Saints should have started him nine weeks last year over Derek Carr, but no, that didn't really matter. You can't screw with the Clogger. Clogger's 55-31 outscored his opponents.

01:00:35 Speaker_02
He's the only undefeated coach in the league this year.

01:00:37 Speaker_04
Clogger's got great energy on the bench, too. Yeah. Definitely better than, what did Lombardi call him, Thailand Shane?

01:00:45 Speaker_02
Thailand chain, yeah. He's beating a 14-year-old in Madden tonight. The clogger's mad, he wants to be called the plunger, but no, we're sticking with the clogger.

01:00:55 Speaker_04
Sorry. This Taysom Hill fantasy conundrum thing is weird. What's a conundrum? How many times have you picked up in a year? He's eligible for a tight end and suiting up as quarterback, we've never really figured this out. Runs the ball, yeah.

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Random stuff really quick. Why don't teams QB sneak anymore? What happened? The Chargers, Herbert's 6'6", and they won't QB sneak with him on first and goal from the one. He's 6'6". Brady, what did he not convert two QB sneaks out of 1,500 in his career?

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You're 6'6", it should be automatic, you should be able to get a yard. What happened, is it because Mahomes got hurt that time, everyone's afraid now?

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Well, we know why he does it, or doesn't do it, right? We know why Hertz does it, because it's an automatic, he's gonna get launched six yards.

01:01:47 Speaker_02
But yeah, you would think it'd be a hardball thing, like hey, we're gonna get our offensive line to be disciplined enough to get this giant forward half an inch.

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Tennessee, Minnesota, I watched zero plays of. Yeah. I was thinking, what's the opposite of a multi-view game? Interesting. It's like a multi-view blackout. I don't know what it is, a radio game?

01:02:16 Speaker_02
I had it on a small screen, like a big Post-it, like that size screen. That's basically what I had. I'm good with not watching Tennessee again this season. Well, even the Vikings are boring.

01:02:27 Speaker_02
I don't know, we see Detroit kill these garbage, teal, AFC South teams, like Jacksonville and Tennessee. Vikings don't feel like they're eight and two.

01:02:39 Speaker_04
Miami Dolphins, four and six. We talked about this scenario two weeks ago, and now it's, now it's, or one week ago, because we did it before the Rams game on Monday night. And they won two games in six days.

01:02:52 Speaker_04
They play the Patriots this week, and they could be five and six.

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They're at Green Bay on a Thursday, home Jets at Houston, home San Francisco, a game that suddenly seems a lot easier than it was on the schedule, and then at Cleveland at the Jets last two weeks.

01:03:09 Speaker_02
could get to nine wins from four and six, the fights for the seven seeds are going to be good in both conferences, right? I don't know that they have a chance against the two seeds, but it's going to be good. Well, I mean, that really could be five.

01:03:24 Speaker_04
Sorry to jump good, but also not good. Cause then we have to watch them when we're all together for round one. And then it's a lot less good when we're watching the dolphins in a playoff game.

01:03:33 Speaker_02
Right. Yeah, I'm just thinking now the NFC West division where everybody's five and five, I could see all three of those other teams going three and three the rest of the way, right? And then it's all gonna come down to the next week.

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Well, I hope the Dolphins at least get a little more exciting because I think our friend John Jastrzemski, who hosts the Ringer Sunday pregame show, the king of the underdog, He did it today. I've known you a long time. I did an Instagram thing.

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I'm 22 years in LA now, so we've known each other 22 years. Your number one thing you hate over really anything else, including cancer and pestilence, name all the worst things in the world, is when people claim an underdog pick.

01:04:19 Speaker_04
And either they're not an underdog, which the Fox guys used to do, they're like, I like the Browns. And meanwhile, the Browns would be minus one and a half and Bradshaw's taking them as an underdog.

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Or somebody who takes an underdog that's like a plus 105 or a plus 108, which is what JJ did today on the show.

01:04:37 Speaker_02
The Fox guys are 80 years old, so you're teaching them how to, you know, you're teaching them how to understand the text, and their brains are spinning out of their heads.

01:04:47 Speaker_02
JJ does 17 podcasts a week on gambling, and he's very proud of his Bengals plus 108. By the way, good, I'm glad he lost. Now I'm thinking, I didn't care about that game, now I'm glad.

01:04:57 Speaker_04
Yeah, like House of Stealers plus 158. People are doing real underdog pics.

01:05:03 Speaker_02
I have the Raiders. Yeah, you're the Raiders. Yeah, exactly. You want to take Jake Paul too, JJ? I'm sorry. I don't know. Is that an underdog? I'm like, come on. And then he gets defensive about it. He got upset.

01:05:14 Speaker_04
Jesus, JJ. Plus 108. Here's my courageous underdog pic.

01:05:23 Speaker_02
I was sending him cowardly lion pictures. He wasn't responding towards the end.

01:05:28 Speaker_01
Bro, that plus symbol, that plus symbol is all you need to see, bro. If it's a plus symbol, it counts as an underdog, bro.

01:05:35 Speaker_04
Good, good for you. It's a pickle. Just hell hath no fury if I get Juan Soto on the Red Sox, the amount of tax somebody was sending JJ. That'll bring me right back with the Red Sox. The sabbatical will be over. They won't get involved. There you go.

01:05:51 Speaker_04
So, playoff picture. KC and Detroit is the one seeds. Buffalo-Denver is one matchup, 2-7. Pittsburgh-Chargers. Oh no, I'm sorry, Pittsburgh-Baltimore would be the 3-6. And then Houston-Chargers would be the 4-5 if it ended today.

01:06:14 Speaker_04
So that's probably the shakiest game, Houston-Chargers.

01:06:17 Speaker_02
Houston-Chargers, yeah. AFC South is locked in.

01:06:21 Speaker_04
The other one, We would have, let's see, I'm too confused by the NFC.

01:06:30 Speaker_03
I get it.

01:06:31 Speaker_04
The most important one right now would be Arizona hosting Minnesota. in round one, another possible Shakey's game. Then all the other ones.

01:06:40 Speaker_02
So that's the four or five? That would be the four or five?

01:06:42 Speaker_04
That'd be the four or five, because it looks like Minnesota's got the inside track on the five seed, unless Green Bay or Washington comes in.

01:06:49 Speaker_02
Well, but Atlanta's a Worst Division winner, right? That's six and five. Wouldn't they be the four?

01:06:57 Speaker_04
Yeah, you're right. Cause those teams are going to go backwards. Oh yeah. So it could be Atlanta, Minnesota. That's a tough one to bet.

01:07:06 Speaker_02
That's a tough one to bet though. I don't like that.

01:07:08 Speaker_04
Hmm. One more break for the podcast and then we'll do guess the lines.

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01:08:53 Speaker_02
What do we got? I won last week, so it's- Congrats. You're up 6-4-1 through 11 weeks.

01:09:02 Speaker_04
So you're like a plus 107 underdog, could JJ bet you?

01:09:05 Speaker_02
JJ's all over it.

01:09:08 Speaker_04
And then Raheem, who's also on the show, who's been doing well lately and just can't resist telling everybody about how well he's doing. He's in the dugout being like, hey, we're throwing a no hitter through five innings. No hits by the other team.

01:09:23 Speaker_02
I love it. We just brag on each other. We had a bunch of characters. Joe House, Joe House, you know, that pregame show is an hour and a half and he holds the microphone for an hour.

01:09:35 Speaker_02
It's a heavy ass, but it's not, you know, this is not, um, you're not hosting, like holding like a calendar here. It's a pretty hefty microphone. He has to get right in there.

01:09:44 Speaker_04
Rahim is a confidence player. Um, Yeah, House did million-dollar picks with me after the Washington game on Thursday night. And he's like, I might have a few drinks. I'm like, great, people love Drunk House. He was actually pretty subdued.

01:09:56 Speaker_04
And as we're doing it, I'm like, this actually might be Drunk House, because he's not loud and fun Drunk House. He actually seems like he's had a few. So then today, he's like, yeah, the Browns. I was probably a little drunk on Thursday night.

01:10:08 Speaker_04
I probably should have suggested that one, because he gave me the Browns.

01:10:12 Speaker_02
You're blaming him, but you're betting a million dollars on these picks. They really should come from you. I don't know why you're so trusting.

01:10:20 Speaker_04
Thursday night. Steelers, speaking of the Browns. Steelers in Cleveland. It's really rough for the Browns. Maybe we should have seen it coming when they traded one of their pass rushers right before the trade deadline.

01:10:36 Speaker_04
And then they traded a Barney Cooper, their best receiver. That should have been a red flag. Steelers at Cleveland on a Thursday night, and to me this has to be Steelers by three and a half.

01:10:47 Speaker_02
Really? You're still going to get it. I said six and a half. It's a four, it's four and a half. Why is that even that low? Eight and two against two and eight.

01:10:59 Speaker_04
I just think that Thursday night you got to dock it for the road game. Road team coming off an emotional physics. I mean that Baltimore Pittsburgh game, we didn't talk about how physical, how much shit talking there was that game. That game was awesome.

01:11:12 Speaker_04
These games are awesome today. Pittsburgh-Baltimore. The Buffalo game was great. This Chargers game was great. And this Stewart-Browns game would not be great. Sunday marquee game. I think it's Packers-Niners. Right?

01:11:28 Speaker_02
Yeah, I think so. It's in Green Bay.

01:11:32 Speaker_04
I had a lot of trouble with this one because the Niners seem like they're getting a lot of respect based on past performance, potential of what the performance is.

01:11:46 Speaker_04
And I really think this line should be at least Packers by one and a half, so I'm gonna do that. Packers by one and a half. Well, you said at least, you wanna go a little higher?

01:11:54 Speaker_02
You can go a little higher if you want. Motherfucker. I said two, it's one and a half.

01:12:02 Speaker_04
You think that flips? Is that Niners minus one and a half? George Kittle's back.

01:12:07 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah. Oh, they love flipping the one and a half. The one and a half is so dangerous. Right? And now we're gonna add six and make a nice teaser and it's not gonna make any sense.

01:12:19 Speaker_04
Did you see there was a thing going around today about, and I don't know if it accounts for today's games or not. Somebody sent this to me. Active NFL coach records in one score games. And the worst coach is Eber Flus at 5 and 17 in one score games.

01:12:37 Speaker_04
Zach Taylor's 21 and 32. Peterson's 32 and 43. And Kyle Shanahan's 29 and 33 in one score games. Kind of feels that way, right?

01:12:50 Speaker_02
Yeah, Shanahan feels that way because we, I think we examined this stat a couple, like a year ago with Shanahan. You're telling me Zack Taylor's won 21 one score games? Yeah, where were they? No, no. College? What is, like junior college?

01:13:05 Speaker_04
Tomlin's 107 and 68 in one score games.

01:13:08 Speaker_02
He's the man.

01:13:09 Speaker_04
Adds up.

01:13:10 Speaker_02
Yep.

01:13:11 Speaker_04
LeFleur's 33 and 21. And then your guy McCarthy, 73 and 65. But he had Rogers before Rogers was watched.

01:13:23 Speaker_02
That's not fair.

01:13:25 Speaker_04
But yeah, the Iberflues thing jumped out to me and then Shanahan, 29 and 33 with all the talent they've had. I thought that was notable.

01:13:34 Speaker_02
Yeah, you think when you go for an extension, they show you that tweet or whatever you saw? It's not good. You know what else isn't good, Sal?

01:13:43 Speaker_04
I only have two watchable games after the marquee game. And one of them is the Lions, just because I think Lions Colts will be fun. Cause I really enjoy watching Richardson. You just don't know what's going to happen with Richardson.

01:13:56 Speaker_03
Right.

01:13:56 Speaker_04
Every pass is exciting. He might sail it over somebody's head. He might bounce it. It might be like one of the best 20 yard in passes you've seen. Just don't know. I have the Lions favored by six and a half in Indianapolis. All right, finally I get this.

01:14:11 Speaker_02
I had seven, and it's seven and a half. They're just crushing teams though. They have to put it north of seven. This can't go lower. Feels like a tease. Right? Yeah. They're not ready to lose yet, Detroit.

01:14:31 Speaker_04
There'll be a time, but it's not yet. Campbell's definitely got the Dragos trainer face going during these games. He just wants to like pour it on. Seahawks Cardinals in Seattle.

01:14:49 Speaker_04
And I was going to go one and a half, and I'm going to say Seahawks minus two after today. You get it. It's one and a half.

01:14:56 Speaker_02
I said four. Cardinals have had a really good month. I know. They're getting a little too much credit here. A little too much.

01:15:07 Speaker_04
Two fairly watchables, Vikings at Chicago is the first one. Something is not watchable about the Vikings, and I can't put my finger on it. But I'm never like, oh cool, the Vikings are on offense.

01:15:21 Speaker_04
And they have guys I like watching, just something's missing.

01:15:24 Speaker_02
Yeah, we don't like when you have a big play guy, a top three fantasy guy, Justin Jefferson, who never seems to get the ball. Struggling to score.

01:15:33 Speaker_02
I think they averaged 30 over their first four games, and the last two or three, they've averaged like 15 or something.

01:15:41 Speaker_04
I'm gonna say Vikings by three in Chicago. You're gonna get this.

01:15:46 Speaker_02
I said four and a half, it's three and a half. I think that ends at three. Did they play yet? No, they play week 15. Think that goes down?

01:15:59 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think that gets the three. Dolphins home for the Pats is the other one. And I swear the Pats aren't bad. You swear you wouldn't lie to me? I swear they're not bad. And you can't tell me you weren't fucking sweating out that Rams game for me.

01:16:17 Speaker_02
No, I was. I was, yeah. I'm glad they kicked.

01:16:21 Speaker_04
Pats lose to Seattle 23 to 20 in a game that they coached scared and they had Brissette instead of May. They lose week five to Miami when they should have started May. I think they would have won that. They lost that one 15 to 10.

01:16:34 Speaker_04
They lost that stupid Tennessee game in week nine by three and they lost this Rams game today. It's a 3-8 team that could, like they really could be 6-7. a couple plays, they're not bad.

01:16:49 Speaker_02
Whatever you say, I don't know how the three and eight gets to six and seven, like they really could have played two more games in 11 weeks?

01:16:57 Speaker_04
I wasn't asked to do math.

01:17:00 Speaker_02
Well, the question is do they have any, how many blowouts do they have? Like I look at the Cowboys, I'm like, oh, we have at least three or four. You have none, you have no blowout, like receiving end of a blowout, I'm saying.

01:17:10 Speaker_04
Oh yeah, we got blowed out a couple times. Yeah, Houston got us.

01:17:12 Speaker_02
No, no, but coming up, like are you gonna have two or three or? You know, you have what, seven games, right?

01:17:20 Speaker_04
Miami, Indy, Arizona, Buffalo, Chargers, Buffalo again. Six games left.

01:17:25 Speaker_02
Yeah. Yeah.

01:17:27 Speaker_04
Well, I have that. Pat's over under four and a half, and they have three wins.

01:17:32 Speaker_02
Oh, you're fighting that out end of December for sure.

01:17:35 Speaker_04
But think about it. At Miami, home Indy, at Arizona, at Buffalo, Chargers, Buffalo. Like, probably only one win left with this coaching stuff.

01:17:44 Speaker_02
You gotta hit this exact. I got this exactly.

01:17:47 Speaker_04
You did? I'm going to say Miami by six and a half. Oh, you should have said seven. Very close. I would advise people not to tease that. Hmm. I just don't. That seems like a classic Miami looking ahead game. Who does Miami play the week after this? They play.

01:18:07 Speaker_04
Well, that's Thanksgiving week, right? Yeah, they're at Green Bay on Thursday, that next week. So this is a classic, hey, it's the Pats, we'll get by this, we got Green Bay on Thursday, and then all of a sudden we're up 10-0.

01:18:19 Speaker_02
You played tough with them last time, right? Wasn't it like 15-10, is that what you said?

01:18:22 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think we can play with that team.

01:18:24 Speaker_02
Now the reason these games are so shitty is because six teams are off, right? We forgot to mention that. Buffalo, Cincinnati.

01:18:29 Speaker_04
Some huge fantasy implications. Yeah, there's some teams with fantasy guys. The poopfecta is loaded. We might need the clogger to unclog it. Really some doozies. There's five. Bucks giant set in Jersey. Bucks minus four.

01:18:54 Speaker_02
Yeah, you get it. I said five, it's three and a half. Stupid. That's dumb. Except that we're going to bet Tampa to win the division, so they're definitely going to lose to the Giants.

01:19:04 Speaker_04
Yeah, so we kind of need to do that because I need to be interested in week 12. So maybe that's the first way to do it. Let's do it. Bet the bucks. Washington is home for the Cowboys.

01:19:18 Speaker_02
Watch out.

01:19:19 Speaker_04
God only knows how bad you're going to look tomorrow. Watch out. I have Washington by eight.

01:19:28 Speaker_02
Oh man, you're edging me out here. I had seven and a half, it's nine and a half. That's too bad.

01:19:33 Speaker_04
Washington doesn't look good in a month.

01:19:35 Speaker_02
Well, Cowboys haven't looked good six years in a month, so. Fair. Should be interesting.

01:19:42 Speaker_04
Oh, you don't think the schedule can get worse? Can I offer you Chiefs Panthers in Carolina?

01:19:47 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:19:49 Speaker_04
You could offer me a three-team teaser. Well, that's why I'm jacking this up. because they're gonna have, this will be in the tease range. I'm gonna say Chiefs by 11 and a half in Carolina. I can't get one of these?

01:20:04 Speaker_02
I had 12, it's 10 and a half. They can't lose that. Put that on any teaser from now, whenever, however long you think you're gonna be betting, 15, 20 more years, 40, just try to get them on whatever fan they'll allow.

01:20:22 Speaker_04
I had another 14 or 13 pointer, by the way. Oh, I saw that. Wait. Chargers plus 11, Chiefs, Lions, and then the Eagles on Thursday night.

01:20:35 Speaker_02
Oh, you must've won, oh, you sent me something else with the two. I think that was it. The UFC. No, I hit that too, yeah, I hit the UFC one too.

01:20:44 Speaker_04
Look at you, hitting everything. Bone nickel with John Jones, who could not have been more amazing in that fight. Too many weapons. And then the Lions and the Packers was basically even odds.

01:20:55 Speaker_04
John Jones figured out how to do a liver punch as a spinning back kick.

01:20:59 Speaker_03
Right, yeah.

01:21:01 Speaker_04
I've never seen a UFC move that looked like it hurt more than that move. Yeah, you don't usually see. If they did that to us, what would happen to us?

01:21:10 Speaker_02
I would still, I would, no, I would still be, I'd say I'd still be in the ring, but I think they would carry me to my grave. So I don't think I would still be in the ring. Yeah, no, his foot went right through. That'd break like five ribs, right?

01:21:20 Speaker_02
It looked like it really, like he was going to have trouble getting his foot out of that sternum, right?

01:21:26 Speaker_04
I thought he was so good. Stipe was terrible. Stipe looked like he was kind of lush. But John Jones was like, he played all the hits. Like he did the ground and pound in the first round.

01:21:35 Speaker_04
He's just like, he has this ways of just like, it's like 20 elbows and 19 of them land. He was so good.

01:21:41 Speaker_02
Someone gave Stipe a round, which was insane. Jesus. It's one of the judges.

01:21:46 Speaker_04
Two more terrible games. Texans, Titans. This is in Houston.

01:21:53 Speaker_04
I really, I thought about getting this to nine because I know they're gonna think everyone's gonna tease it, but the Texans just haven't been good enough, so I'm gonna say Texans eight and a half.

01:22:03 Speaker_02
I hate when you're explaining it and I know you have me dead to rights, but I still have to listen to the whole thing.

01:22:10 Speaker_04
And keep a poker face?

01:22:11 Speaker_02
Yeah, I had nine and it is eight and a half. This is disgraceful.

01:22:16 Speaker_04
That's a slightly dangerous game for Houston because Tennessee's defense isn't bad. Sure. Right. For Houston.

01:22:22 Speaker_02
Sure. We freeze battle. That's going to be a battle against the Cowboys. Very physical.

01:22:28 Speaker_04
You know, this one might not be a poop FECTA game with the way Bo Nix is playing, but Broncos in Vegas playing the Raiders and Bobby Bacala Antonio Pierce.

01:22:39 Speaker_04
I was saying to you in Lombardi that Bobby Bacla was Uncle Junior's driver for two years and then like somehow a couple people died and he became a captain. And it was like, how is this guy a captain? He was like getting Uncle June a baba ghoul.

01:22:54 Speaker_05
What do they call that?

01:22:57 Speaker_04
What's that? Gabadol.

01:22:59 Speaker_05
What did I call Baba Ghul?

01:23:01 Speaker_02
That was Karen's last lasagna, Junior. It's frozen. I'd never heard of Gabadool before. You're not saying it right. It's okay. Gabadool? Gabadool. That's like your daughter's first words.

01:23:18 Speaker_04
No, I don't even know what it is. Not in the Connecticut, Massachusetts area. But yeah, it's like Antonio Pierce, they just cut to him on the sidelines and he just has this look like, I wonder if I'm gonna be able to do TV next year.

01:23:32 Speaker_04
I wonder if there's gonna be a college job. Broncos, I'm gonna say minus four in Vegas.

01:23:42 Speaker_02
All right. You get it either way, but this, I said three, it was three and a half, it went to four and a half. What kind of injury could there be on Vegas for them to move this a line?

01:23:53 Speaker_02
I know their running backs both got hurt, but it was like Amir Abdul or whatever, but why did this move within an hour?

01:24:01 Speaker_04
Well, did you see any of the Vegas game?

01:24:03 Speaker_02
Oh, I know they're terrible, yeah.

01:24:05 Speaker_04
Michoud had a play where in the fourth quarter he rolled out

01:24:10 Speaker_04
and he threw a pass, and I think it was Jalen Ramsey, he fell down, so he was on the ground, and the guy was open, and Minshew somehow threw it to Jalen Ramsey, who caught it when he was lying on the ground for an interception.

01:24:21 Speaker_04
I've never seen that before. Tough times for Minshew.

01:24:26 Speaker_02
I love, I just want so badly to bet that team, but they gotta be a stay away for the rest of the year.

01:24:33 Speaker_04
Sunday night, Eagles-Rams in LA, not a bad game. I have a crowd prediction for this. There's a lot of Philly fans that live here. Oh yeah.

01:24:44 Speaker_04
You put a lot of Philly fans together, and if the game becomes frustrating or disappointing in the first or second quarter, the vibe slash energy in that arena or stadium completely changes and gets super weird.

01:24:59 Speaker_04
And I feel like that's going to happen in this game. You put 50,000 Eagle fans who are furious because Sirianni went for it on fourth and three and Jalen Hurts got sacked. You can hear the grumbling all around the stadium.

01:25:13 Speaker_04
I'll never forget the Super Bowl, Eagles-Pats. It was the weirdest energy I've ever felt in a game. The Eagles fans were so mad. It was like in the second quarter, they're furious. But those are Eagles fans.

01:25:25 Speaker_02
These are going to be LA Eagles fans, right?

01:25:27 Speaker_04
You think they're going to be more mellow because we have good weather?

01:25:30 Speaker_02
No, probably not.

01:25:31 Speaker_04
Yeah, I don't think so either. A bit bad. But this means more to the Rams for sure. I do not have the Rams' favorites, though. I have Eagles minus one and a half.

01:25:40 Speaker_02
Yeah, I said two, and it's three. Eagles are a full field goal.

01:25:44 Speaker_04
Wow, they've rarely seen three.

01:25:46 Speaker_02
I think they're counting on what you're talking about. A lot of Eagles fans showing up there.

01:25:51 Speaker_04
There's a lot of Bengals fans. We're getting a lot of Eagles fans. Did I clinch yet, or is this still up in the air?

01:25:56 Speaker_02
Why, you want to quit?

01:25:58 Speaker_04
No.

01:25:59 Speaker_02
Yeah, it's like nine to three.

01:26:00 Speaker_04
Pull my starters.

01:26:01 Speaker_02
Yeah, pull them all. Nine to three, you're up.

01:26:04 Speaker_04
Last game, Monday night, we get to watch the Chargers again. Oh, Mike. Ravens at Chargers. Ravens in LA. I wonder if Mally Rubin will be in the house. I bet she will. Yeah. She doesn't leave her own house, but she might be in this house.

01:26:21 Speaker_04
I'm going to say Baltimore by one and a half.

01:26:27 Speaker_02
Uh, are they checking on an injury because it's not on fan? I pulled it up before and now it's not on. You look there, but what'd you say? We both said one and a half anyway. It's uh, it's three. It's the last I saw.

01:26:42 Speaker_02
But is Herbert, Herbert Hurk or somebody?

01:26:45 Speaker_04
Herbert might be. Maybe he got hurt when they ran that play when he just got, that option play when he just got annihilated and Collinsworth's like, please don't ever run that play again.

01:26:54 Speaker_02
Oh, his right arm is, he could throw left-handed if he wants. He's still handsome either way, Mike. Of course. All right, you won 7-4-1 after 12.

01:27:07 Speaker_04
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01:27:29 Speaker_04
I went back, because I had remembered writing a column about some fight that felt like the end of Tyson's career. And it was the Lennox Lewis fight, which was in 2002.

01:27:40 Speaker_04
And that was when I wrote a whole long column about, it was so sad to watch, it's over. It was literally 2002. Drake May was born in 2002. So I don't know why we were surprised.

01:27:52 Speaker_02
Well, I got to see his ass, and that's all I really want. I told you before the night.

01:27:57 Speaker_02
I just wanna see his ass, I don't care who wins the fight, but it bums me out because you were smart, you were the only one in the room who didn't have money on Tyson, and yet the way we broke it down on against all, I almost called the exact, I'm like, he's gonna show, he'll have like a flurry in the first couple rounds, and then these gloves are too big, and Paul's gonna realize that Tyson can't hurt him, and so he's just gonna jab him to death.

01:28:21 Speaker_02
It wasn't even that much, and I didn't even count on the knee brace. When your fighter goes in there looking like Bill Walton, at like 46 years old? The knee brace is just automatic. I wish I didn't bet on this guy thing. So how many years was I off by?

01:28:36 Speaker_02
I know you wrote that column, but does he beat him at 48? Does he beat him at 30, uh, 44.

01:28:43 Speaker_04
I had, as we're watching the chargers game today, I put on ESPN on the smaller TV cause I thought sports center was coming on and they were running Mike Tyson's greatest hits volume two. And it was just him destroying. The best one is the Donnie Long.

01:28:57 Speaker_04
I think is my favorite. He's absolutely, I think he might've killed that. He log. Oh yeah. It's just over and over. And you just see how fast and good he was back then. And then there's been this revisionist history since like,

01:29:11 Speaker_04
Oh no, he was just, he was both, at the moment Douglas hit him, like anyone could have, there's, no. My answer to that is no. Like him, really through the Spinks fight, was the most unstoppable heavyweight I've ever seen.

01:29:25 Speaker_02
Ferocious.

01:29:27 Speaker_04
I just don't know how anybody beats that guy. He's a fucking maniac. He's throwing uppercuts, he's ducking, he's round, both hands. He had 17 different punches.

01:29:36 Speaker_02
yeah for sure he could and in the jake paul fight he really only had like this weird lazy left hook he never threw his right never threw uppercuts and had no legs it was awful in the jake paul fight he had 17 different punches too but those were over eight rounds so um total he had 17 punches but i feel like betting on it like i'm an asshole like it's dumb uh going into it i knew

01:30:02 Speaker_02
But we don't want to admit we're old, right? Like this bet was basically like getting a facelift, right?

01:30:08 Speaker_02
Like it's a risk, and I know what's gonna happen here, and the surgeon got paid either way, but I can't admit that I'm old, and oh, Mike, you just killed us. You just killed us, it was so sad. Couldn't move forward.

01:30:23 Speaker_02
In the training video, he has 30 second spurts, like it's nice, right?

01:30:27 Speaker_04
Well, he planted the seed after about, hurt or whatever happened to him in June, and he had that blood transfusions, and he lost weight. So I feel like they're paving the way for one more.

01:30:37 Speaker_02
Oh, one more? We need one less.

01:30:41 Speaker_04
One more fight? Really? I don't know. He made like 20 million for this.

01:30:46 Speaker_02
I know, he got 20 million. That's when you really feel like a jerk.

01:30:48 Speaker_04
See, like fight George Foreman, we're not going to all get together if it's like him versus George Foreman. Him versus Evander, Holyfield Tyson 3.

01:30:57 Speaker_02
Yep.

01:30:57 Speaker_04
Jimmy Carter could get sanctioned. I think they could do this. It's all about like the, it's the walk-up, it's the anticipation of it, and then the actual fight is like a bonus.

01:31:09 Speaker_02
Yeah. I had buzzed Adam Carolla in my ear saying, he's 58. What do you expect? I think I heard that about 25 times. Yeah.

01:31:18 Speaker_04
That seemed to be his go-to point. He's right. It was brutal. The women's fight was great though. That should have been the main event.

01:31:27 Speaker_02
That was tremendous. I, of course, lost money on that.

01:31:31 Speaker_04
The most exciting moment for me though was Baby Doll. Jimmy had like this big fire pit with the fire going. Baby Doll sees it and it's just like, it's just like a cheetah seeing its prey. He just has to sit next to it.

01:31:47 Speaker_04
and have at least two Marlboro Reds in a row while flicking it into the fire and then eventually throwing a cigarette in there. Even though it's not a fire, it's like one of those glass things shoot up.

01:31:56 Speaker_04
So now there's cigarette butts in there, which I'm sure they didn't want.

01:31:58 Speaker_02
Yeah, you're not supposed to put trash in there. But he makes it like it's a carnival game. Yeah, but he was- Listen, I know what I'm doing, baby. I gotta get through these three packs before I open the other one.

01:32:11 Speaker_04
What do you got for Parent Corner?

01:32:12 Speaker_02
All right, I got a good one. So on Tuesday, this past Tuesday, my son Jack has a wrestling match, right? And it's a dual meet against another school. So he's on JV. And when you're on JV, like if you're on varsity, you pretty much feel the full lineup.

01:32:27 Speaker_02
And you know, the opposing team is going to have probably one guy every weight class. Uh, so it'll match up. But if you're on JV, you never know, like if the other team only has five extras and you have 20, you're not going to get a match.

01:32:39 Speaker_02
So I have to go and I have to wait, whatever. So we get there. He comes in, he's like, I don't have a match. And my wife is working the concession stand. And she's like, oh, well then you should eat then. I'm like, well, don't we want to wait?

01:32:53 Speaker_02
He's like, no, I don't have a match. So she's giving him like Costco pizza and like peanut M&Ms. And I'm like, all right, well, I guess that's it. We'll stay and watch anyway. 15 minutes later, he comes out. He's like, I have a match.

01:33:08 Speaker_02
I'm wrestling varsity. The regular varsity kid who's out with Ringworm. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

01:33:14 Speaker_04
Ringworm, the only thing you can get from wrestling.

01:33:17 Speaker_02
There's no other way to get ringworm unless you're wrestling for somebody. Yeah, guess what, he's also his partner, so he probably has it too, but anyway, officially he doesn't have it. And you probably have it. Yes, we all have it now.

01:33:26 Speaker_02
So I have to talk to him now, so I'm like, all right, shit, this is crazy, you're wrestling varsity.

01:33:32 Speaker_02
So if you're losing, you're probably gonna be losing, because you're a 10th grader on varsity and you don't have much experience, you gotta save your team points.

01:33:40 Speaker_02
If you're losing by five, don't give up, don't go to your back, because if you lose by 10, it costs the team more points than if you lose by six. So anyway, all right, whatever. So he goes out there, and it's a wild first period. It's like 10 to eight.

01:33:53 Speaker_02
There's a takedown or reversal every 15 seconds. The gym is pumped. It's sloppy. The other school, probably not their regular varsity kid too, like maybe their guy had scurvy. I don't know what it is, but anyway, this is a sloppy match. I have no idea.

01:34:08 Speaker_02
So it's actually nine to eight, right before the end of the first period. Jack's on bottom and he throws up the Domino's pizza. He throws up on the- On the mat? Yes. Because he over did it, because he didn't know he was going to have a mat.

01:34:21 Speaker_02
And then they come out and they clean it and they have to spray it. And it's like a five minute intermission there. And that's supposed to be it. They probably figure you're sick, right? And then you have to leave the match, right?

01:34:35 Speaker_02
Not that you had too much Costco pizza. Doesn't get the boom, by the way. Is there video of him puking or no? I'll send it to you, yeah.

01:34:43 Speaker_04
Is it better than when you puked or in House Seeds 3 or no?

01:34:46 Speaker_02
No, the kid's got some ways to go. But it was interesting nonetheless, but I'll send it to you. he convinces him to let it keep going. And so he goes, and he actually escapes to make it 10 to eight.

01:34:59 Speaker_02
So now the second period, same thing, back and forth, they're exhausted. Jack's about to get thrown, but like leg trips the kid right onto his back, and the kid's exhausted. He pins the kid, and the gym goes bananas.

01:35:11 Speaker_02
And the team eventually wins by six points, so he made a difference, so. Wow. That was it, that was it. And it was pretty frickin' great, I have to say. It's like, I could lose a lot of bets, and this would make up for it, for sure.

01:35:26 Speaker_04
I like it. So when they make a movie, it'll be called Vision Puke?

01:35:32 Speaker_02
Yes. Vomit Quest? Vision Crust, brought to you by Domino's.

01:35:40 Speaker_04
That's Parent Corners brought to you by Domino's Pizza. Check out their app. Domino's has a great app. Yuck. My parent corner, my daughter's boyfriend, Tommy, who's a great kid. She's been dating him for like a year.

01:35:54 Speaker_04
And he was playing like a touch football game and some kid fell into his leg and he hurt his leg. Like he broke like the top of his tibia. So he was like in a cast for four weeks.

01:36:07 Speaker_04
So he ends up moving in, because my dad is like 12 minutes from where Zoe goes to school. So he moves in with my dad and my stepmom, because it's too hard for him. He has an apartment in Austin. It's too hard for him to go back and forth.

01:36:22 Speaker_04
And then my dad's excited, because he has a live body to watch sports with. So Tommy's been there for like a month.

01:36:32 Speaker_04
hanging with my dad, watching games and stuff, which of course led to, I insisted that he mailed me videos whenever my dad fell asleep during sporting events, which was every single night.

01:36:44 Speaker_04
So I'll just be home, and I'll just get this video from Tom, and it's some exciting fourth quarter of Lakers Warriors, and then the phone will cut to my dad, and my dad's slumped like he's dead. next to him, so.

01:37:01 Speaker_04
Well, it's probably one in the morning, fourth quarter, right? That'll stay up for all this stuff, though. And then I'd put all these apps on my dad's TV, including NBA League Pass, which, of course, he has no idea.

01:37:15 Speaker_04
It's like, all you have to do is press the Apple TV.

01:37:18 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:37:18 Speaker_04
The league pass will come up quick on that, the games will be there, and it's like too much for him. All he wants to do is turn on the TV and go to cable, and then the smart TV part has Netflix, and that's all he's capable of.

01:37:30 Speaker_04
So now Tommy's in there, and he's telling me how they're watching NBA games. He's like, yeah, Tommy knows how to get to these NBA games. And I'm like, you mean the NBA games that I put on your TV and was telling you like, you can click on this.

01:37:44 Speaker_04
And it's like, so he made it seem like Tommy's like red and Shawshank. Like Tommy's a man who knows how to get things. It's like, you mean Tommy just knows how to press the Apple TV menu. The things comes up and he presses the thing.

01:37:58 Speaker_04
Why can't our parents, why don't they understand how to use remote controls? Like why is this, do your parents have trouble with this? Like getting to?

01:38:08 Speaker_02
The worst. My father's fingers are big, so he's breaking the shit out of whether it's a phone or a little Apple remote or something. So it's just not for him. But yeah, it seems like it should click. They couldn't make it easier.

01:38:23 Speaker_04
They can't get it. Every time my mom goes to see, her mom lives here, and every time she's over, The first 20 minutes are her fixing smart TV or something that happened. I was thinking, I said to fantasy.

01:38:35 Speaker_04
I actually think the ringer, we might have to launch a podcast where every episode is somebody telling stories about interactions with their parents and technology.

01:38:43 Speaker_04
If you have parents over 75 and it's just like, all right, here's my story of when I went over to help, help fix my mom's internet. And it just goes, my mom couldn't get on spectrum for like two weeks and called the guys and the guys came like that.

01:38:59 Speaker_04
She thought there was a serious problem and all the guy did was just turn the box off and on and the spectrum worked.

01:39:05 Speaker_03
Right, right, right.

01:39:06 Speaker_04
The guy who was like a house call came in and that was the solution was, have you tried turning the box on and off? My mom was like, what do you mean? And did it, and all of a sudden it worked.

01:39:18 Speaker_02
It scares the shit out of them.

01:39:19 Speaker_04
Because it makes me think, what are we going to be like 30 years from now with AI? Are we going to be just as idiotic?

01:39:24 Speaker_02
Oh, we're going to be fine. We're going to be fine. We could navigate Fandle. We're good. We're good. But no, these people, like my father, I had to take him to DMV and you have to fill out all the shit on the tablet. You don't write anything.

01:39:35 Speaker_02
I'm like, if I wasn't there, he would be there. There wouldn't be cars, there'd be flying cars by the time he got out of there. It wouldn't be, yeah, it's tough. But the bigger point is, you're jealous of Tommy, aren't you? I am a little jealous.

01:39:48 Speaker_02
You're a little bit jealous, you are.

01:39:49 Speaker_04
It did make me think of when I lived in Boston and I could just hang out and watch games with my dad and then he would fall asleep in the fourth quarter or whatever we're watching. Yeah. Now Tommy gets it.

01:39:59 Speaker_02
With his grandfather-in-law. This is terrific.

01:40:01 Speaker_04
But here's the other thing, Tom is a huge Heat fan because my dad watches every Celtic game if he doesn't go. So he feels like he has to like, you know, kind of join the Celtics thing a little bit, but he's also a Heat fan.

01:40:13 Speaker_04
So what he does is he bets on the Celtics every game. Oh, interesting. All right. See, this is why this guy could be the one for my daughter. That's kind of outside the box thinking.

01:40:25 Speaker_02
This is a crazy relationship set up here, isn't it?

01:40:28 Speaker_04
Well, it's only one more week. He'll be able to start moving around in a week.

01:40:32 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:40:33 Speaker_04
All right. My dad's like, I'm bummed out. We love having him here.

01:40:40 Speaker_02
He's paying for the wedding, that's great. Anyway, that's Parent Quarter. Sal, what do you got to plug? Well, I just came off the ringer pregame show where I'm 9-2 on best bets. You had a long day. Yeah, 9-2 on your best bets.

01:40:54 Speaker_04
Come on. Wow, you were plus 108 to be 9-2 on your best bets.

01:40:58 Speaker_02
It was an upset. Who knew I could do it. Threw the ringer with Tate against all odds. We had a nice same game parlay with the fellas Thursday night and Cousin Sal's winning weekend with the great Jim Nance on Friday. What should I ask him?

01:41:10 Speaker_02
Hello, my friends. Yeah.

01:41:13 Speaker_04
Um, I think you have to make him rank his top three things he's ever called from three to one.

01:41:22 Speaker_07
All right.

01:41:23 Speaker_04
You got to get the bronze medal, silver medal, gold medal, greatest, greatest things he's called.

01:41:28 Speaker_02
I have to, you know, he has his top three. Yeah. I also want the top three most annoying things about Tony Romo. I want, I'm going to get it out of him. what he finds in the line.

01:41:37 Speaker_04
Definitely say like, hey, three years ago, were you mad at Romo when he just wasn't memorizing the numbers of the guys? Did you give him a pep talk to yell at him? What happened? I love it. It's very exciting. Those are good guests. Yeah.

01:41:52 Speaker_04
Yeah, yeah, we do alright. Ringer Sunday pregame show, too.

01:41:56 Speaker_02
Let me shout out Allison Turner, the terrific booker for the Ringer. Oh, we love Allison. Great job by her.

01:42:02 Speaker_04
She's great. I almost don't like that you shouted her out. Now I'm worried somebody's going to try to hire her away from us.

01:42:08 Speaker_02
What do you mean? Oh, I shouldn't have said that?

01:42:09 Speaker_04
She's one of our favorite employees.

01:42:10 Speaker_02
No, no, no.

01:42:11 Speaker_04
Her name is- She's actually really bad.

01:42:13 Speaker_02
Yeah, she's not good.

01:42:15 Speaker_04
I had to yell at her a few times last few weeks.

01:42:18 Speaker_02
Yeah, Joe House is the one you want to book your guests.

01:42:24 Speaker_04
Ring of Sunday pregame, we came up with this new idea. What do we call it? The hot fudge Sunday with a Y, where everybody has to do a parlay, or a pick of plus 200 or higher, put them all together. And today's was like 42 to 1. How many legs did we hit?

01:42:42 Speaker_02
I think we hit two, no, one or two. I had the under 31 and a half with Tennessee, Minnesota. Yeah, yeah. JJ freaks out. JJ breaks out in hives because he doesn't like anything over plus 200. He's like, where can I even find this?

01:42:58 Speaker_02
He wanted to do it, it has to be plus 110 or higher for this Sunday.

01:43:04 Speaker_04
All right, Sal, we'll see you next week. Good job by you.

01:43:07 Speaker_05
Good job by you, buddy.

01:43:13 Speaker_06
On the wayside, I never said I don't have feelings for him On the wayside, I never said